SUPPORT THE UNDERGROUND BUNKER
You can either make a one-time donation to the site via Paypal...

...or you can subscribe and get billed monthly:

FOLLOW ME ON
SUBSCRIBE TO OUR
E-MAIL LIST
To join our e-mail list & get daily updates on new stories, e-mail us at newstory@tonyortega.org.
RSS Feed
Click here to add The Underground Bunker to your RSS Reader

Atack: Which of Scientology’s thought-stopping clichés has stayed with you the longest?

Jon_Atack3Jon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and for more than three years he’s been helping us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet.

Thought-terminating clichés are used by advertisers, politicians and cult leaders alike to package ideas into slogans. There are other forms of cliché that are useful – for instance, when FDR said that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Others, like the ‘War on Terror’ are not so useful.

Ron Hubbard was acutely aware of the nature of thought-terminating clichés and encouraged believers to absorb and spew them forth at every given opportunity. I tired of ‘make it go right’ while still a believer.

I’m still not sure what we learned from ‘the way out is the way through’ – a sign saying ‘exit’ would have helped – or Hubbard’s founding maxim, ‘the dynamic principle of existence is survive’, which doesn’t seem to contain any information at all: that which exists is existing and wants to keep doing so.

Hubbard was keen to make his slogans stick, so he borrowed extensively from earlier authors. I recently found the origin of the oft-parroted phrase ‘If it isn’t fun, it isn’t Scientology’. In the original, it was ‘If it isn’t fun, it isn’t scouting’ and it belongs to Lady Baden-Powell. It seems fairly likely that Hubbard heard this slogan once or twice during his time in the Boy Scouts of America.

My favourite such plagiarism is found in the Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary where the ‘Price of freedom’ is ‘constant alertness’. While there is disagreement about who first said this – and what the exact words used were – it can be found as ‘eternal vigilance is the price of freedom’ in many sources long before Hubbard was even born.

Maybe it’s time to turn to the comments section so that the Bunkerites can regale us with their own favourites from the Scientology slogan bank…

— Jon Atack

Yes, and in particular, we’re interested in hearing which of Scientology’s refrains stay with people the longest after they leave the church. What do you say?

 
——————–

Bonus items from our tipsters

Whoa, Mexico City is getting real! This event is not open to the public, they note, as they give a seminar on the “Genetic Entity,” which is this really weird non-thetan thetan that each of us has inside of us to make our meat bodies work separate from the thetan itself. In reality, it’s what L. Ron Hubbard sloppily came up with when he tried to meld Dianetics (your worst engrams come from the womb) and Scientology (a thetan jumps into a baby after it’s born, so where did those pre-natal engrams come from?). Not only is this woo of the highest order, the Mexico City org uses a cannibalistic image to illustrate it. Now, see, why can’t Scientology always be this open with what it actually promotes?

 
SciMexico16

 
——————–

3D-UnbreakablePosted by Tony Ortega on July 9, 2016 at 07:00

E-mail tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely: How the Church of Scientology tried to destroy Paulette Cooper, is on sale at Amazon in paperback and Kindle editions. We’ve posted photographs of Paulette and scenes from her life at a separate location. Reader Sookie put together a complete index. More information about the book, and our 2015 book tour, can also be found at the book’s dedicated page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of L.A. attorney and former church member Vance Woodward
UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists
GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

Other links: Shelly Miscavige, ten years gone | The Lisa McPherson story told in real time | The Cathriona White stories | The Leah Remini ‘Knowledge Reports’ | Hear audio of a Scientology excommunication | Scientology’s little day care of horrors | Whatever happened to Steve Fishman? | Felony charges for Scientology’s drug rehab scam | Why Scientology digs bomb-proof vaults in the desert | PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer | The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill | Scientology boasts about assistance from Google | The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

Share Button
  • MaxSpaceman

    So, ‘this’ is what Marty Mark is up to:

    — “Believe me, I am engaged in an activity that will go a long way toward freeing captive minds.
”

    Quote from post by Outraged an hour ago down thread.

    • aegerprimo

      Link?

      • MaxSpaceman

        outraged said got all of his/her comment from Marty Mark’s Website.

        • aegerprimo

          Rue the comment.

    • kemist

      Moar mystery sandwich.

    • Kim O’Brien

      that is what Oracle said on Marty’s blog . ( or what used to be Marty’s blog . Seems to be the Oracles rage diary )

      • jazzlover

        There seems to be a holy triumvirate of rage posters there: Oracle (who keeps trying to eat himself from the inside out), Cat Daddy and Sammy girl. I don’t get it.

        • kemist

          They must be finding something they need over there somehow.

          Attention perhaps ?

          • jazzlover

            I don’t really know their history, but it seems that, whether they want to believe it or not, they are still serving Hubbard. They are just a few living, breathing examples of how dangerous the mindset is. I know they want to be rid of it, but they can’t seem to pull away. They still exhibit that “attack” mentality. That’s why Oracle needs to answer herself over and over again. Nobody wants to engage with her.

            • Jimmy3

              Cat Daddy is not even an ex-Scientologist. He just doesn’t like the Bunker cuz he’d get hammered, make an ass of himself and get flamed and banned from here.

            • jazzlover

              All I see is a lot of posts that say “LOL”, and vids of really shitty music from him.

            • Jimmy3

              Tell him UNICEF is a corrupt, fraudulent organization. It is a massive global scam.

            • jazzlover

              You mean he’s not wound up enough already? 🙂

            • Jimmy3

              That crazy pool goes deeper, my friend. You’re in the shallow end.

            • jazzlover

              Yeah, I figured that. Not sure I wanna insert myself there. You’re never gonna convince people like that with reason, and it all just ends up being more damaging to you if you try.

            • Baby

              OCD .. Just slamming videos .. not explaining.. what he was doing.. Just back to back videos and Tony asked him to cool it ..( as did a lot of us..) and he refused.

            • Science Doc

              His MO was months of OT video links and substance free posts followed by an alcoholic meltdown that sometimes went racist, culminating in the ban hammer.

            • flyonthewall

              ikr. good times, good times

            • pluvo

              He got kicked out of here because he was trolling with excessive posting of videos. Now he is trolling over there with it (and it is not disqus but has to get through moderation).

            • kemist

              Oracle makes me think of my sister’s mother in law.

              She has The Truth About Everything (TM) and if you argue against her, you’ll soon be overwhelmed by a barrage of stuff that is so far from making sense you will feel helpless to even start explaining why it does not make any sense.

              And if you still persist despite that, she’ll make you feel bad about it by taking it super personal, because you kind of like her with all her faults.

            • jazzlover

              I dunno. She may be likable, but she’s winding herself into a really dangerous mind trap. That can’t be a good existence.

            • Justmeteehee
            • jazzlover

              Good catch. That’s definitely possible. Tough to diagnose from afar, though. It could also be a simple case of OCD gone terribly awry 😉

            • Justmeteehee

              I wouldn’t ever presume to diagnose, too many years as an ICU nurse, I just found the need to write that much very interesting. Hypergraphic can also be a unique blessing, Stephen King and apparently Robert Burns are good examples.

            • jazzlover

              I understand. And sure, it can be a blessing. Any perceived negative can be turned into a positive if you try hard enough.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              “The Truth About Everything (TM)” Hilarious!

              “Buried under a barrage banality, I was left butt hurt and barely breathing to die” 😉

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Oh, it’s a regular Mensa meeting over there, alright.

          • jazzlover

            LOL. I’m not sure any of them are flat out stupid, but I don’t get their desire to create some kind of war among people who are fighting the same fight.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              You are more generous than I. The ones that are left there seem like pretty dim bulbs to me. But yes, everyone does seem to have lost sight of the real fight in favor of picking at personal wounds and vendettas.

            • jazzlover

              Oh, I’m no saint. I’m just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. I’m sure that whatever they’ve been through has left them with after-effects that most wouldn’t want. But I see your way of looking at it too. The hurling of insults and attacks and the flat out paranoia is difficult to take, and does kinda tick me off to a degree. When I feel that, I just take a step back so I can try to catch a different view.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I think what’s happening over there has less and less to do with scientology and its after-effects.

            • jazzlover

              Could be. Maybe they just like the us vs. them existence even if it makes little sense. There’s a whole lot of people out there who enjoy playing the victim.

      • MaxSpaceman

        thanks for clarifying.

    • Scream Nevermore

      Mr Ratbum really does not sound like a well or sane man nowadays. I’m still not convinced that Oracle is not his alter ego.

    • Juicer77

      f5 It’s a good thing I like you. 😉

  • madame duran

    A friendly reminder of CULT FAIL:

    A homeless man can raise his legal fees in two days but a wealthy cult can’t get its act together in making a network studio run. What’s your excuse, OSA (and don’t give me any lip about the power of entheta keeping you down. You’re supposed to be stronger than that)?
    http://www.tickcounter.com/countup/1464462000000/america-los_angeles/owd/FFFFFF3B5998000000FF0000/No_On-Air_Programming_since_SMP_Grand_Opening
    ONE MONTH, ONE WEEK and FOUR (soon to be FIVE) DAYS of no live programming at Scientology Media Productions (SMP). No amount of fanfare will hide the rot and inactivity of empty promises.

    • Scream Nevermore

      That last para will make a good Tweet!

  • Liberated

    Dev-T was one I said long after everything was over, I really don’t know why.

    • Anonymous Confused Person

      I’m pretty sure that this isn’t just a though-stopping cliche, but a discussing stopping cliche also. I had Mike Rinder trot that one out on me (“you are dev-t”), and after I looked up what it meant, I came to the conclusion that what he was saying was “I will now dismiss your argument by labeling it as ‘hand-waving’).

  • MaxSpaceman

    The last A-list Hollywood Feature Film that could have been a transition from Stardom on the small screen (Dharma & Greg) to Motion Pictures for her is 2000’s Keeping the Faith, opposite Ben Stiller and Ed Norton in a romantic triangle.

    ‘That’ should’ve done it. But, not! Cuz Jenna proved herself small screen stuff; there was no movie star there, as far as she was concerned.

    Awful from the 1st frame of her appearance until her last.

    • Liberated

      I agree that movie could have launched her career to at least acceptable mediocrity, but I swear she is her own worst enemy.
      Every single time she is exposed in the media, she blow’s it ( no pun intended).
      Calling a reporter “baby rapist ” saying something vulgar, boorish and cringe-worthy, especially with creep-face Bodhi hanging on her for dear life, or paycheck, whatever.
      I wish she would fade away into the big horse farm that no one really wants to talk about.
      The 90’s are over dear, I think you took it as far as you could. Neigh !!!!

  • worstcultever

    swear i didn’t intend this to be quite so naughty when i had the idea to shoop Tiny into this mess ..

    also, deepest apologies to Sir Mix-a-Lot

    • Observer

      eeeeeeee

    • Baby

      I just got on.. What did I miss.. ? Jeeze.. nosey baby

      Edit: Alrighty then..

      • aegerprimo

        Baby … Got Back….
        https://youtu.be/_JphDdGV2TU

        • Baby

          “She looks like a Total Prostitute ” hahahhaha

        • Mymy88

          LOL “My Anaconda don’t want none unless you got buns hon!”

  • Baby

    OK.. I know this isn’t considered ” Thought Stopping..” but.. I’m driving along.. GPS goes off and says..

    ” Remain in left lane turn right at next exit..” Well.. How in the hell can you remain in the left lane And turn right at an exit..?

    • Observer

      If the right lane ends before the exit.

      Sincerely,

      Thought Stopping Assistant

      • Baby

        Yes that would make sense..but it wasn’t set up that way.. sigh

    • worstcultever

      Trust no bullshit that claims to be here to help you .. be a critical thinker 🙂

      • flyonthewall

        do u need some help?

        • Elizabeth Lavet

          also “You need help”

          • flyonthewall

            that is more true than u know

            • Elizabeth Lavet

              We all need help, I think that is why it can be a thought stopper. Learning to choose our help and situations wisely, taking action, can be difficult.

            • Elizabeth Lavet

              We all need help. I think that is why it can be a thought stopper when we are told we need help by scientologists. We sometimes give people credit for more wisdom than they might actually have when they tell us “you need help”, forgetting to listen to ourselves. Learning to choose our help and situations wisely, trying something and moving on when it is not right, can be difficult. Along the same line, the letter written to the person in Tony’s previous post asking if the person had solutions. I think many of us have a sense we need solutions that we don’t have, we might not even know what we need solutions for, just that something is missing. We might think that because a Scientologist asks us about that, that they are implying they have the solutions for us, even ones we don’t know we need. I think we forget that life is finding our solutions and accepting and giving help. No one person or organization really has all those for us. At least I have been guilty of trying to find quick solutions and all the answers in one place instead of living life on a personal basis, growing in relation to the world. My help did not really have to come from Scientology even when I was told that was my only answer. Part of my help comes from enjoying the breeze. I still struggle with letting others help me, accepting help from others, but I know that is a life lesson for me. Giving that gift to them of allowing them to help me. I did not have to worry about that in Scientology because you paid for everything you got, and more. Sorry, you do not deserve this long winded dialogue. I wrote it for me.

    • aegerprimo

      I hope this did not happen….
      https://youtu.be/4h0Qvc6_MfQ

      • DoveAlexa

        I love the mayhem man commercials. Effective, amusing and a little terrifying.

        • Robert Eckert

          My mom wants to set up Mr. Mayhem with Flo from Progressive.

          • PerpetualOutflow

            Hahahahahaha. They should SO do that.

            • Robert Eckert

              The Geico gecko can be the best man (best lizard?)

          • DoveAlexa

            Still a better love story than Twilight.

      • Scream Nevermore

        Mmmmmmm, Dean Winters. Liked him since I saw him in Oz. The prison drama, not the country!

      • Baby

        He is so cute that trouble maker!

    • jazzlover

      LOL. I see people try to do that all the time 🙂 GPS just sucks sometimes. No other way to explain it. In that way, the belief that it’s always right is thought stopping.

      • Observer
        • jazzlover

          LOL. That’s definitely possible. True story: I was returning from visiting friends in NJ a few summers ago, and my GPS decided that it wanted me to take local roads 75 miles and across a river back to NY on my return home. When I finally started to pay attention (probably about 15 or 20 miles into the trip), I turned the damn thing off and became sensible 😉

          • Robert Eckert

            We were taking the Canadian cut across to New York, and as we were doing the last tricky bit, asked the GPS how to get to Niagara Falls from where we were. A setting was turned on that told it to avoid toll roads, so it advised going back to Windsor and Detroit and all the way around Lake Erie, taking an awful route across Ohio to avoid the Turnpike.

            • jazzlover

              Ha! That reminds me of an incident where I was awaiting a package from Chicago, and the USPS decided that it made more sense to send it to NY via California. LOL

            • Scream Nevermore

              British Airways once transported me to Cairo, and sent my luggage trolley (not the actual luggage) to New York. It then travelled the length and breadth of the USA before I got it back. I was quite jealous – it got to places I have never been!

            • jazzlover

              LOL. Life’s just funny sometimes. You have to laugh as you wonder how certain businesses manage to stay in business doing things like that 🙂

            • Ha! And it’s not even a toll road in that direction!

              There’s a bridge across the Ohio river that my GPS didn’t know about. So I had to set a destination on one side, drive across, then change to my real destination.

            • Robert Eckert

              There is no bridge across the Niagara River that isn’t a toll bridge, that was the problem.

            • There’s no toll on the Peace Bridge in the crossing to USA direction, only coming back into Canada. (Unless that’s been changed recently.)

            • Robert Eckert

              We had to pay.

          • Observer

            I use the Google Maps app on my phone. It’s never steered me wrong yet, even in downtown Chicago–and that’s saying something.

            • jazzlover

              Yeah, I know a few who swear by it, and have ditched GPS. It definitely seems to have a mind of its own sometimes. Very frustrating. In my case, it wasn’t a biggie because I was very familiar with the way home. But imagine if that happens in unfamiliar territory.

      • People should practice ignoring their GPS.

        Punch in a destination, then drive somewhere else.

        • jazzlover

          After the twelfth time hearing “re-directing” (or whatever the word is), I’d be forced to throw the thing out the window 🙂

          • Robert Eckert

            “Recalculating”

            • jazzlover

              Right. See? I’ve heard that so much that it’s been wiped from my memory 🙂

  • David Arum

    I enjoyed ,”The way out is the way through”!

  • nottrue

    Another award winning Doc…You know Mark Bunker will win something big when he’s comes out

  • Panopea Abrupta

    I am loving this outpouring of received ideas of Hubbard’s and how they emprison.
    I made an Ingo Swann comment earlier and was accused of taking a cheap swipe at a dead man.
    Piss off, you troll.
    Here is Carl Sagan (hint, real scientist, not the two complacent tossers who did “research” on Swann.)
    While certainly more honest than Hubbard’s “research”, they were patsies.
    ALL protocols were determined by Swann.
    He was a ludicrous fake, just good at it.
    Remote viewing is just more wishful thinking.
    NO proof exists.
    What is in my right side pants pocket right now?

    Thought stopping moment about 45 minutes ago:

    So I’m in the kitchen cooking a late lunch.
    Bread baking, garlic sauteing, sweet potatoes, kale, burritos, ..
    Suddenly out the kitchen window I spy a fox kit.
    By the time I got the camera, he was heading for the next meadow.
    He was elegant and graceful and he stopped me in my tracks.
    That’s him disappearing in the bottom of the photos.
    The beauty of the world is the real magic.
    Waiting around for OT is a waste of time.

    p.s. I almost burned the garlic – it was a close run thing.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Your keys are in your right pants pocket. Am I right?

      • Paul V. Tupointeau

        Nope. It’s a small folded pocketknife.

    • flyonthewall

      u ever just feel lazy and eat microwave burritos or something?

      • Jimmy3

        Yes. But he chops fresh mint and cilantro as a garnish, and makes a light sauce (only 3 hours from prep to table) to go with it.

        • flyonthewall

          all this talk of food is making me hungry. I think there is a half eaten sandwich behind the radiator…brb

          • Jimmy3

            Was it pastrami on rye? If so, i already found that and ate it. Weird choice to put guacamole on it, but it worked.

            • flyonthewall

              wtf man!? I was saving that. As Stephanie Tanner would say, “You a bitch”

            • Jimmy3

              You know what Gilbert Godfried said about that show:

              “Full House should’ve been called Blackjack, because Bob Sagget hit on everything under 16”

            • flyonthewall

              i did not know that but I believe it wholeheartedly

            • Jimmy3

              He said that at Bob Sagget’s Comedy Cenal roast, and Bob laughed. Confirmation of truth.

    • Snippy_X

      Oh this letter and clip from Carl Sagan is awesome! Where ever did you run across this? Hubbard has also made many trips to outer space. His recollections hold up even worse. He would have received an F. Edit: The fox is glorious also.

    • jazzlover

      “my little book” roflmao

  • Khalil

    Hubbard said :
    “A psychiatrist today has the power to take a fancy to a woman lead her to take wild treatment as a joke drug and shock her to temporary insanity incarnate her use her sexually sterilize her to prevent conception kill her by a brain operation to prevent disclosure. And all with no fear of reprisal. Yet it is rape and murder… We want at least one bad mark on every psychiatrist in England, a murder, an assault, or a rape or more than one… This is Project Psychiatry. We will remove them.”

    • Scream Nevermore

      Enough, Khallil. My cousin is an ‘evil psych’ and he helps more people in one hour than you and Flabtard will ever do in your entire ‘track’ combined. Now, please feck off.

      • Qbird

        I wonder how many Sec Checks Khalil has been subjected to?
        Ron rapes, assaults & murders slowly… he’s laughing up on Target II.

        • Scream Nevermore

          Judging by his apparent mental state, I would think he’s been through way too many.

          • Qbird

            That ol’ rat bastard Ron smashes Khalil’s mind.

            • Scream Nevermore

              Ron destroyed everything he touched, and continues to do so even though he’s dead. I’m not one for book burning, but I would make an exception for everything Ron did.

          • Qbird

            He’s stuck.

    • Paul V. Tupointeau

      Every time Hubbard is quoted, an anti-cult activist’s point gets made. 😉

      • I was thinking, “that’s right, Hubbard was as mad as a bag of frogs, wasn’t he?”. Then I realised that this character takes him seriously.

        All you can do is express astonishment that anyone can be that deluded. If you can find a way to mock this, you deserve the nobel Prize for satire. I can’t.

        • Paul V. Tupointeau

          Indeed. Problem is, you can hardly make it seem more ridiculous than straight from ‘Source’. It’s self-mocking; or as I suspect, Ron sometimes mocked his own believers. “Laughing up his sleeve” as he wrote it.

          • I’ve heard some of his ‘lectures’ where he openly insults them too, only to have them respond with laughter thinking that they ‘understand’ his ‘real point’.

            I think this had a unplanned function (as with many of the things Hubbard did). It enabled him to check that he had a room full of ‘true believers’ – that there was nobody present who might doubt him, and rock the boat.

            This guy, however, seems either to be a very subtle troll or exactly what he presents to be – someone who is anti-psychiatry for personal reasons, and unable to sustain a valid argument when he raises the subject.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        …and a poor, cast-aside BT gets their wings in BT Heaven, while Elron receives another 220v shock in the Special Section of the between-lives implanting station that will have him rock slamming his way through every next life for all eternity (or until he pays up on that ginormous freeloader’s debt for abandoning earth to the psychs and not re-incarnating as Super Ron 2 as promised to finish the job 😉

        • Scream Nevermore

          Hope those electrodes are attached to his Action Zone!

    • flyonthewall

      hey, you got an avi! Good for you. Now stfu

    • Observer

      Ron also said these things.

      refresh

    • Bob

      Excuse me. How many Scientology ethics officers, auditors, execs etc have verbally or physically abused people in their care. Their are bad apples in every group. Not ALL psychiatrists are bad. A lot are against medicating and abusive treatments and they do help a lot of people. Khalil, did you read what Jon Atack wrote today. You seem to be heavily influenced by ridiculous generality type maxims. If you going to post do your research and stop believing everything the cult tells you.

    • nottrue

      Hubbard said = Garbage

      • Qbird

        ~what’s true for u~

    • jazzlover

      There are dentists out there who do the same thing.

    • Qbird

      sure, but how ya gonna get rid of those pesky BTs, huh?!
      L.Ron Hubbard ‘rapes’ your mind.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Love the avatar, Khalil.

      Hey, I’m still waiting to hear your story. Are you someone who’s still part of the flock, an ex-believer. a never-in or what?

      No, judgment implied; it’s just helpful to know what a person’s background is in order to interact in an effective and, hopefully, more human manner.

      • Khalil

        As I said I am a citizen who is arrested and tortured by psychiatrists. I am from north Africa. I am an atheist ex-muslim. I heard about scientology two years ago and I am happy that scientology attacks psychiatry. I would like to participate in the scientology effort to destroy psychiatry.

        • Scream Nevermore

          You’ve been asked before, but in what country do psychiatrists have the power of arrest?

        • Jake Hamby

          All you have to do is give them all your money and free will and never question anything L. Ron Hubbard ever said. But there isn’t some great conspiracy of psychiatrists to abuse their patients. The ones who do are breaking the ethical rules of the profession.

          Today’s science-based psychiatric treatments are focused on providing the right medication to people who would benefit from it. If it weren’t for “psych meds”, as a person with ADHD and clinical depression, I would likely be dead from suicide. As it is, I feel a great degree of self-loathing for having a mental illness that I didn’t choose to have.

          It’s Scientology that kills, not psychiatry. Individual psychiatrists and psychologists may be evil, but not the field of study.

          • Khalil

            Psychiatry is pseudoscience. It is 1000 times more dangerous than scientology.

            • Juicer77

              Have you seen this yet? f5

            • Khalil

              You must know that I don’t believe in scientology. Scientology is like islam, buddhism, hinduism they are all legendary stories.

            • Juicer77

              Ok, so your stance on psychiatry has nothing whatsoever to do with Scientology. If you have real complaints about your treatment by psychiatrists, you should file criminal complaints and/or report those doctors to their licensing boards. If you feel something is wrong, do something constructive about it. Posting here and arguing with those who value good psychiatric care is not going to make a difference to someone else’s future welfare. Do you understand what I’m saying?

            • Khalil

              What you are saying now is very important because : first, torture made by psychiatrist does not leave any trace. Psychiatrists use science so that when they torture, no physical traces will remain. Second the government and the laws are now advantageous to the psychiatrists. So we must first change laws to protect citizens from psychiatry, then I can file criminal complaints.

            • Juicer77

              Ok, so talk to your local government officials and start making some noise about how you would change the laws. How would you change them, by the way?

            • Khalil

              Psychiatrists shouldn’t have the right to treat people against their will. It’s that simple.

            • Juicer77

              I agree in 98% of the cases except in dire threat of death to themselves or others, and even then it should be short term care. You keep playing the same song, my friend. If you believe it, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT other than posting here repeatedly. Contact your government reps – contact the United Nations – contact Amnesty International. Actions speak louder than words. I can’t put it to you in any simpler terms. In any case, I wish you well and hope brighter things are in your future.

            • Fantasy perhaps, but Scientology fails to be legendary.

              http://www.dictionary.com/browse/legend

        • JaxNGold

          $cientology attacks psychiatry via their front group CCHR. The only purpose is to try to lure people into their criminal scam. Plus, Hubbard had an axe to grind with psychiatry after he was denied treatment and the whole mental health industry viewed him as a fool. Do some damned research.

        • Robert Eckert

          Your story makes zero sense. Repeating it in the same words just makes it sound that you have been given a shore story to tell and have no ability to add to it.

          • Khalil

            You are not required to believe me.

            • Robert Eckert

              Do you have any purpose in posting here? Posting what no-one will believe, and helping to reinforce the impression that Scientologists are unwell, would not seem to help any purpose you might have.

            • Khalil

              I am here to demonstrate that psychiatry is more evil than scientology. This site says the opposite.

            • Robert Eckert

              But you are not demonstrating anything except your own lack of credibility.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          I see, I missed where you described yourself earlier. So, you’re no longer in captivity, but still smarting from the experience?

          Without getting into the issue of whether or not psychiatry needs to be utterly destroyed or just reformed, you should know that the various scientology front groups that are aligned with your purpose flow part of the donations they receive back to the church. So, they’re not stand-alone groups that have no direct financial ties to the church.

          Plus, most if not all of their staff members are scientologists who will, for absolute certain, try to recruit you to the religion, where you will be promptly milked of your very last dime, your credit cards maxed out, then left to deal with it until you’re able to “make it go right” and bring them some more money.

          I’d like to say that there’s a single chance in hell that my forecast of what you’d experience there is wrong, but I can’t. Unless you have some sort of deep and abiding masochistic need to be duped and DP’ed, then imagine that I’m right next to you now, yelling in your ear…”DON’T FUCKING DO IT!!”

          There, I feel better 😉 Fair warned is fair armed!

          • Khalil

            I am ready to give all my money in order to destroy psychiatry.

            • pluvo

              CCHR will gladly take it all.

            • Khalil

              Not sure that CCHR can destroy psychiatry.

            • pluvo

              Did you contact them?

            • Khalil

              No but I am afraid that Miscavige will put the money in his pocket.

            • pluvo

              Noooo!?! How did you get that idea??

            • Khalil

              To be honest with you I don’t think that money can play a decisive role in the battle against psychiatry. I know that money has much importance in this world, but I think that victory will be obtained by other means.

            • pluvo

              Very good that you are honest with me, but my question was: how did you get the idea that Miscavige will put the money in his own pocket??

            • Khalil

              It’s you who said that.

            • pluvo

              Really?? Just check your reply two posts up where YOU said: “No but I am afraid that Miscavige will put the money in his pocket.”

              And I just asked you how you got that idea.

            • pluvo

              “I would like to participate in the scientology effort to destroy psychiatry.”

              That’s what you said 2 hours ago further up. Go for it!

            • Khalil

              I am an indepedent atheist person who loves freedom. I respect Scientology. I believe that the great danger to freedom today is psychiatry not scientology. CCHR do a good job, I encourage them.

            • JaxNGold

              You respect $cientology?? Are you joking? How can you possibly have respect for a criminal organization that engages in human trafficking, destroys families through their policy of “disconnection”, abuses its members both physically and psychologically, infiltrated the US govt to destroy documents, uses mind-control and forbids its members to look at anything critical of the organization, harasses, films, and follows ex-members and critics, bankrupts its members in the name of “spiritual freedom”, tells endless lies…etc? I could go on and on. Please tell me how you have respect for them?

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Well, OK! Just don’t give it to any scientology group, k?

              Hubbard’s real plan for clearing the earth called for a more literal version of that word’s use to be put into effect. One in which low-tone folks either get audited or done away with…he didn’t state a strong preference either way there 😉

          • Robert Eckert

            Nothing that he says is plausible. He is simply a Scientologist adopting a persona. His fake biography is repeated word-for-word whenever he is asked who he is.

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Good to know! In this day and age, if you’re going to be troll, then at least be a good one 😉 Otherwise, folks are going to see through your shit almost instantaneously.

              Still, I prefer to think of them all as “pre-ex scientologists” and their trollish behavior as thinly veiled pleas for help 😉

              After all, almost everyone who’s in is going to be getting out sooner or later. That’s because, even if you make it to senior citizen age as a C-orgy member, your old unproductive and sickly ass is going to be fitness boarded out, whether you like it or not. There is no retirement home for aged C-orgy staff who’ve dedicated their entire working lives to cult contagion.

        • pluvo

          If you want to destroy Psychiatry you should work with CCHR from Scientology. This here is the wrong location/blog for you.

          PS: you say: “who IS arrested and tortured”.- ” In present time? or do you mean in the past?

          • Khalil

            Yes I mean I was arrested in the past

            • pluvo

              Why?

            • Khalil

              Because I am opposed to them.

            • pluvo

              Who is them?

        • Even if you believe that psychiatry is evil (and few who comment here do) Scientology’s ‘campaign’ against psychiatry is ineffective. What’s more they only pretend that they are damaging the profession in order to recruit people.

          It’s like supporting the Taliban because you disapprove of heavy drinking – the ‘cure’ is a lot worse than the supposed disease.

        • OOkpik

          Any abuse you may have suffered at the hands of cruel and deranged individuals would be despicable, whether by psychiatrists or anyone else and, unfortunately, such abuse does happen in every walk of life. It’s rampant in Scientology.

          If you are determined to waste your life to help Scientology “destroy psychiatry”, you are barking up the wrong tree by posting here. This is definitely NOT the right venue for you!

    • No he did not!

    • looneybug

      I’m amazed that my husband can do all this in his 10′ X 14′ office with all those other people just down the hall!

    • Justmeteehee

      Do a little reading on Hubbards treatment of his 3 wives, one deserted, one beaten, their child kidnapped and then terrorized by being told said child was chopped up in little pieces, the third jailed and discarded…. You picked the wrong topic.

      • Khalil

        This is not true.

        • Justmeteehee
          • Khalil

            Mental health care fabricate this false story to destroy Hubbard.

            • pluvo

              This is not true.

            • Robert Eckert

              It is a matter of public record that he married Sara before divorcing Polly, that Sara filed accusations of the grossest cruelty against him while divorcing him, that Mary Sue was indicted and imprisoned and that Ron never visited her. “Mental health care” has nothing to do with this.

            • Justmeteehee

              No, Mary Sues own words from the divorce are available online… Google is your friend dear. He left his first wife, Polly and their children, married before he divorced her (bigamy), tormented Sarah Northrop and their child Alexis (it was quite scandalous, Google the old articles from the LA times) then married Mary Sue Whipp, whom he made take the fall for Snow White, when released from prison he banished her. I don’t know what rock you’ve been living under but his treatment of his wives is very well documented and many, many first hand accounts, files are available on line. Perhaps had mental health care actually been involved with Hubbard, these women wouldn’t have had to suffer so greatly.

            • If Scientology is so powerful, how is it that corrupt psychiatrists could run rings around its founder?

            • Justmeteehee
            • JaxNGold

              Now it’s blatantly obvious you’re a $cientologist. To destroy Hubbard?? Please, spare us the nonsense.

    • Mrs. V.

      Since everything hubbard said is a lie, quoting him invalidates your argument. If you want to get your point across, you should use evidence from a trustworthy source. Otherwise it’s just jibberish.

    • J. Swift

      Hubbard also called for a Scientology Genocide against all persons 2.0 or below on the Tone Scale:
      https://scientologymoneyproject.com/2015/02/02/the-horriying-real-secret-of-scientology-is-genocide/

      “The reasonable man quite ordinarily overlooks the fact that people from 2.0 down have no traffic with reason and cannot be reasoned with as one would reason with a 3.0. There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the tone scale , neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts.

      The first is to raise them on the tone scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes . The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow.

      Adders are safe bedmates compared to people on the lower bands of the tone scale. Not all the beauty nor the handsomeness nor artificial social value nor property can atone for the vicious damage such people do to sane men and women.

      The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower bands of the tone scale from the social order would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered.

      It is not necessary to produce a world of clears in order to have a reasonable and worthwhile social order; it is only necessary to delete those individuals who range from 2.0 down, either by processing them enough to get their tone level above the 2.0 line — a task which, indeed, is not very great, since the amount of processing in many cases might be under fifty hours, although it might also in others be in excess of two hundred — or simply quarantining them from the society.

      A Venezuelan dictator once decided to stop leprosy. He saw that most lepers in his country were also beggars. By the simple expedient of collecting and destroying all the beggars in Venezuela an end was put to leprosy in that country” — Science of Survival: Prediction of Human Behavior by L. Ron Hubbard

      In a world of 6.7 billion people, Hubbard’s numbers would mean that 1,235,600,000 people (20%) have anti-social personalities. This means that Scientology would first conduct a genocide against the 2.5% of the most dangerous anti-social personalities, which would be 169,500,000 people. Hubbard deemed SP’s to be non-producers and therefore inherently degenerate:

      The aberrative personality is so badly off that he can lead only a parasitic existence. You will understand, then, that people going down Tone Scale do not immediately and automatically become aberrative personalities, in our definition as here used. People become aberrative personalities out of a malevolence which insists on a high level of survival without the production of anything.” — L. Ron Hubbard

      • Khalil

        Not all what hubbard said is just. Personaly I agree with hubbard in 80 % of what he said.

        • Robert Eckert

          You need to change your mind about 79.9% of what hubbard said, then. And I may be generous to assume that 0.1% of what he said was true.

    • OOkpik

      This is an interesting “quote”. Could you give us a reliable reference? A link? A book and page number? A video of Hubbard saying it? Any kind of proof that Hubbard said or wrote that? It would be useful!!! 😉

  • Bob

    A few thought stopping clichès:

    – He’s or she has got overts(response to any problem or crime)

    – he or she has got MUs

    – he’s keyed in

    – she must have known him in a prior life.

    – people look up to you, if you make this donation it will get others to donate

    – the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics

    – she’s PTS to her mother(father,boss, sister, uncle, cousin, mail man etc.)

    – he’s got stuck flows

    – outflow equals inflow

    – outflow is holier than inflow

    – she’s out ethics

    – he blew because he had overts

    – they violated the conditions

    – he or she is a thetan in a little body(about children)

    – you are responsible for your own condition

    -‘he or she has witholds

    • jazzlover

      It all makes life sound so mechanical (and mathematical). The randomness of life is what makes it so worth living. Take that away, and you’re left with Hubbardisms.

      • Bob

        JL, you have MUs look up your words. 🙂

        • jazzlover

          I like to have an amuse-bouche occasionally. Does that count?

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      The “big beings in little bodies” view of children is the root of so much I find reprehensible about the way scientology treats children and families. It is not safe to be a child in scientology.

  • Observer

    Meanwhile, in David Miscavige Leader of Scientology Land…

    • He don’t appear to be aware of the implications of “indiscriminate”, do he?

      • Observer

        He doesn’t appear to be aware of the implications of pretty much anything he says or does.

        • Well, if he will insist on attracting the Curse Of Babel to himself…

          I don’t like having to use these methods, but what’s the use of having Uncanny Powers if you don’t use them…? 😉

        • jazzlover

          I think at this point it’s all part of the show to keep the still in’s focused, on point and enthusiastic. It’s pretty clear that he’s given up on recruiting newbies in America.

      • Draco

        It’s been a long time since his last word clearing session. A lot of Macallan has passed under the bridge since then.

    • JaxNGold

      Oh for f***’s sake. The amount of bullshit and outright lies in that post is staggering. And laughable. And infuriating. Lying liars who lie.

      • Draco

        ^^^^^^You said it so I don’t have to!

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Hilarious! I’m still laughing over that misuse of “indiscriminate”…so, let me see if I can ‘help’ some more there!

      “In a world of strangers, we are a friendly face: indiscriminate, polyamorous and in no way, shape or form turned off by your girth, lack of head hair, excessive shoulder/nose hair or olfactory assaultiveness (as long as you’ve got cash, that is)…and if your young son or daughter has ran off to join the ISIS circus, we’re here to help. After all, we know exactly what it’s like to be religious fanatics, sworn to a cruel and unforgiving religion!”

  • Simi Valley

    I don’t have time to think about this shit.

    • Jimmy3

      Is that a Sea Org saying?

      • Simi Valley

        Not that I know of.

    • jazzlover

      It would appear that your thoughts have been stopped 😉

      • Simi Valley

        I stopped the Hubtardian thoughts myself … some time ago.

    • Qbird

      YaY Simi!!! That’s right, don’t have to… not any more & good riddance.
      LRH crap is crap.

      • Simi Valley

        I still use a cult word once in a while when I feel like it. My fave is “dev-T.”

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Are You a Declared SP Being Harassed by Anti-Scientologists? There is Help!

    https://otviiisgrrr8.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/luaghing.jpg?w=453&h=325

    “We in the Church of Scientology have opened up a hotline for declared SP’s to call if they feel harassed by anti-Scientologists,” declared Church spokesman Ken Delusion. “Even though we totally ruined these people’s lives by declaring them SP’s, we don’t want to see them get their feelings hurt on the internet by anti-Scientologists. That is how much we care.”

    “Even for declared SP’s who have been viciously Fair Gamed by OSA, disconnected from their families, spied on, and harassed, these anti-Scientologists can be far worse! The fact is that these anti-Scientologists comprise a very dangerous cult that slavishly follows wild-eyed wog ideas such as Free Speech, heated debate in which barbed epithets are hurled, logic, reason, evidence, speculation, and breaking news — all things we in the Church of Scientology despise and oppose!”

    “These horrible anti-Scientology cultists cluster around their special little hateful natter boards where they worship the owners of the natter boards! It is even more sickening than fawning Scientologists yelling ‘Hip Hip Hooray!’ to an enormous photo our dead Founder or applauding for hours and hours our dearly beloved and cosmically significant leader COB RTC Mr. David Miscavige!”

    “These anti-Scientologists behave far worse than OSA, RTC, and the GO rolled into one! Worse, these anti-Scientologist Jokers & Degraders are possessed of a lavish, excessive, flamboyant, and clownish sense of humor that is dipped in shoops and deep fried in japery! Scientology is a deadly serious and grim activity — we can’t have any laughs here folks!”

  • George Layton

    scientology clichés; Pick a hubbard redefinition any hubbard redefinition.

  • Snippy_X

    And becasue it can never get too weird around here:

    UFOs and Elvis and Nazis, oh my! | Freedom Magazine https://t.co/wgiYEXGkrw— johnalexwood (@johnalexwood) July 9, 2016

    • JAW looks like a small deflated pink Mekon. I rest my case.

    • MarcabExpat

      Holy cannoli. That story is the most… I can’t believe I just read that in FreedomMag. The word “AMAZEBALLS” was invented so that there would be a word that would do justice to that story.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Wow, thanks for the link to that Freedumb article by Sugg! I haven’t checked in to see if there was any decent writing (read that, “more sophisticated propaganda”) there in a very long time.

      To give credit where credit is due, Sugg makes some excellent preliminary points about conspiracy theory evolution and what things have come to in these critical thinking-free, barely literate times! I was waiting to see how he’d bring it all home and tie into how SCN, supposedly, was the cure for all that mess, but mercifully, he never did that in any sort of direct way.

      Instead, he just noted that Elron had seen it all coming many years before and had presciently described this many-headed Merchant of Chaos in great detail. Sugg eventually narrowed the focus down from all those many different sources of this engulfing chaos to the media which, incidentally, just happens to be the specific chaos merchant that has been using SCN as a huge, candy-filled pinata on ever-increasing basis lately 😉

      Sugg is a sly devil of a writer and I’ll be back for more! What I found most interesting about his article, compared to all the ham-fisted, vomitrocious, wild-eyed spewings of the past, is how circumspect and willing he is to dance around whatever issue (i.e, the media’s many-sourced royal bitch slapping of SCN) that’s currently bugging the puppet master(s) behind the scenes.

      If lil davey has any kind of senior editor approval of what goes into this propaganda rag, then he sho da fuck can’t be doing handsprings about Sugg’s careful, non-direct approach to dealing with the massive deluge of criticism that’s raining down on SCN. It’s almost as if Sugg has been given relatively free rein. Or (gasp) is it possible that lil davey has finally realized that he’s been delivering all those foot-bullets himself and decided to put the gun on the shelf for awhile to see if something (anything!) else might work?

      I don’t know about you, but I’m sure going to be going back to hear more! Reading between the lines of what’s said, and the tone with which it’s being stated, can be just as informative as the words themselves…especially when there’s almost no words issuing forth from the mouths of any official church spokesperson. Strange days indeed!

      • OOkpik

        Please, do keep writing and sharing, Harpoona. Your comments are masterfully written and thought-provoking.
        Thank you.

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Thanks so much!

  • “The greatest pretense is the pretense that it’s not all pretense.”

  • MM

    I am not nor have I ever been a Scientologist; also I do not nor did I ever follow, or act according to, the teachings of L. Ron Hubbard(*). So I obviously can’t speak from the experience of leaving Scn and some of their thought-terminating clichés “staying” with me.

    That said, what I personally find one of the most insidious and dangerous Scn thought-terminating clichés is the principle of the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics, which by way of circular reasoning (Scn is the only salvation for Mankind, wherefore the best for Scn is automatically the best, period) always resolves to “that which is in the interest of Scn”.

    The principle itself was, of course, not ‘invented’ or ‘discovered’ by Hubbard; it’s the Theory of utility (the best moral action is the one that maximizes utility, with utility defined as the aggregate pleasure minus the suffering of all involved in an action) translated into made-up words aka Scientologese. On the face of it it’s a reasonable theory; it has even been argued that it is true by definition (devil is in the details, long story 🙂 ).

    However, when applied the ‘scientological’ way where the answer is always “that which is in the interest of Scn”, the greatest good principle becomes a most powerful thought-terminating cliché: it terminates any thought about however bad for however many ‘dynamics’ any action may be, if only it’s the one that serves Scn’s interest.

    (*) Fun fact: This sentence is the minimum requirement German companies are legally advised to put in their employment contracts so as not to forego their option to fire someone whose affiliation with Scn has been uncovered.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      Well said.

    • pluvo

      …the principle of the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics, which by way of circular reasoning (Scn is the only salvation for Mankind, wherefore the best for Scn is automatically the best, period) always resolves to “that which is in the interest of Scn”.

      Absolutely, you got that right, what is all the more amazing as you were never in. This was also used as a guiding line to justify everything else. When I was still in, I often thought “yeah, the greatest good is for the 3.Dynamic (Sea Org) only.

      This was also in discrepancy with this from Hubbard (which is also on the CoS site):
      As soon as you knock out one of these dynamics on a human being and you say “For this individual, this dynamic cannot possibly exist,” you get trouble, because they all get knocked out. They come down on the same level. In other words, if you cut out half of one dynamic, you have cut out half of the rest of the dynamics. This package of dynamics is very vital to the survival of an individual.

      Duh!

      • and the Second Dynamic is an implant by the psychs and so they promote family values

    • OOkpik

      Go to the top of the class, MM!

    • April

      In my brain, “the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics” automatically translates to “the ends justify the means.”

      Using this reasoning, OSA types can justify (to themselves) rainining down all kinds of unethical and even criminal terror on current scn, ex-scn, and never-ins who threaten the CO$’s goal of “world clearing.”

  • Rasha

    “cookie stuff”

    • flyonthewall

      hey I was at the international store today looking at Japanese candy/foods and thought of you. I was like, man I bet Rasha would buy all this weird rice candy and stuff

      • Rasha

        Yes. Yes, I would. All of it. And a Hello Kitty sticker set for the nailgun, to boot.

        • Rasha

          ..except.. ummm… NOO! WAIT!!!

          • Juicer77

            LOL

          • Qbird

            KITTEH!!!

            :::LOL:::

            • Rasha

              XD

            • Qbird

              You have made for me, much laughter with your signature…
              and I love it. Rasha sweet.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Have you seen the recent recalls? Seems that cookie stuff can kill ya.

      • Rasha

        HA! Only made me stronger!

  • cdub

    Bunker readers often seem confused about US laws for religions. This should clear it up.
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-pastafarian-drivers-license-picture-met-20160708-story.html

    • Sigh.

      I’m sure it’s not meant to be hurtful, but trying to make a point about your views at the expense of someone else’s is just wrong (unless engaged in J&D on the interwebs).

      Given the legitimate discrimination faced by ethnic/religious minorities and the fact that they likely had to fight for their rights I am distressed to see a young white woman’s attempt to undermine religious accommodations disheartening. She is free to be a Pastafarian all she wants. When it becomes a norm for Pastafarian women to wear colanders on their heads as an intrinsic element of cultural/ethnic/religious identity and willingly endure mockery beyond trying to get a picture taken, I will support her right to wear her colander.

      Personally, there are days that I think hijabs and burkas don’t sound half bad. Usually those are the days I don’t want to do my hair, put on makeup, shave my legs, and/or wear nylons. Having a loose garment that hides what I don’t want see sounds pretty attractive. Or at least more attractive that I am/feel in those days. But let my beloved suggest it ….

    • jazzlover

      If all she were trying to do was get a 501(c)(3), she probably would have had an easier time. Ass backwards, anyone?

  • Eivol Ekdal

    To be sure, to be sure…F5

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Tony says, “Dublin rocks!”

      • gtsix

        What are ya’ll doing in Ohio? 😉

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Are you squinting to be sexy or thoughtful, Peter? Bottoms up!

  • Flunk for laughing!

  • Simi Valley

    OK, I thought of something that could have been a Hubbardism if he had lived longer. “Suck my Oatee d*ck.”

  • Out and about

    Thank you Draco. Love it here at the Bunker!

  • Baby

    OK.. I’m putting together a Flicker Account for my art for you guys to all do with as you want. I will do it slowly.. so what do you need to see it.. I don’t have a lot of time to figure this out.. so

    my flicker screen name is baby bunker.. does that help you find me? can someone look?

    • Elegant Mess

      Looking, but getting results for small bunkers…
      Eta: can’t wait to see all of your art in one place!

      • Baby

        haha

        • jazzlover

          You walked right into that one, baby 🙂

          • Baby

            That is my M.O. jazz.. sigh

            • jazzlover

              It’s ok. It makes you human 🙂

            • Baby

              Awww.. always darlin.. Some days more than others..

            • jazzlover

              Just warn us if it gets too “too” 😉

            • Baby

              Ha.. I’m ALWAYS too..too.. xo

            • jazzlover

              LOL. That’s part of what makes you “real”. I’ll always take that over real fake.

            • Baby

              OMG.. thank you Jazz.. I can spot a fake a mile away.. smooches..

            • jazzlover

              Plus, ya got moxy. You’re not afraid to say what you feel about some of the bs that goes on around us. Trump is trying to appeal to the general public in a similar way — but he thinks that what we all wanna shout about includes mindless, racist beliefs. We all like people who fight for what’s right and who suffer no fools 🙂 That’s my impression of you in a couple of words. Keep being you. I’d tell you that if you ever got into a fist fight with an OSA agent, I’d be there to back you up. But I don’t think you’d need my help.

            • Baby

              oh jazz you are so sweet.. I love you..thank you.. xoxo love baby

            • jazzlover

              You’re velcome, dahling 🙂

          • Robert Eckert

            Walked right into a small bunker? Hope she didn’t hit her head!

        • Elegant Mess

          So the Google isn’t of any help, nor is using the search feature in Flickr. Did you title any of your uploads? Maybe a search for the title of one of your uploads will yield better results? Just my 2 cents. 🙂

          • Baby

            thanks Kitteh.. hmmm

    • Scream Nevermore

      Found you!

      • Simi Valley

        Link, por favor?

        • Scream Nevermore
          • Simi Valley

            I went there and it says “Baby Bunker hasn’t made any photos public yet.” What’s the deal?

            • Scream Nevermore

              She’s just getting to grips with the site – give her time! 😉

      • Baby

        Thanks scream.. I will get organized i just want to see if I’m doing it right..ugh

  • “Stimulus response” is a major `quack’ and brain-fart from the Diabetics book!

    • April

      Stimulus and response are two separate terms from classical conditioning developed in the late 1800’s by Ivan Pavlov who, according to the CO$, was an evil psych.
      It’s no surprise that Hubbtard would bastardize the concepts.

      • I could imagine that.. and then there are the Feedback theory from Cybernetics, as i agree more with. But to think with the concept of being a Stimulus Response animal or machine is down right dangerous!
        ETA: hubsy explained, that one would respond only to stimuli, so they are connected in that/his context!

  • Drinks anyone?

    • Rasha

      Sorry… started already. Mah bad.

    • Baby

      What day is it?

    • Draco

      Bottoms up, Gents!

    • April

      “I woke up this morning with a wine glass in my hand…”

      • jazzlover

        Man, that was playing out of everybody’s window when I was a kid 🙂 My friends and I used to try to imitate the voice box action.

      • Robert Eckert

        I followed her to the station, with a suitcase in my hand…
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf11p3hfZl0

    • flyonthewall

      tell John D I loved his book and tell John M he’s a crazy mofo!!

    • With added William Drummomd

      • Snippy_X

        Dream team – so serious. Must be food related. <3 x47

      • Kim O’Brien

        someone has a sad irish poet face

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Love those boys!

    • George Layton

      Time to lay off the scotch Pete, it’s making you as short as little dave.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Yes, please!

    • Ella Raitch

      Your look at home in your natural habitat

  • nomorescio

    A clear cannibal is a clear cannibal. Enjoy the cannibalism Mexico.

  • Hey! The Bunker showed up at the top of the Bing newsfeed!

    Bing RSS

    Come on Google, you don’t want to be left behind, right?

  • DoveAlexa

    “You’re just being reasonable.”

    How the hell do you function if you think the only way you can ever react to anything is by always freaking out? By this logic, everytime you think your spouse is unfaithful, you better get MURDERIN’. Step on lego? Burn the house down. Spider? Nuke from orbit.

    • Anonymous Confused Person

      “Spider? Nuke from orbit.”
      This seems perfectly reasonable to me. ; )

  • Todd Tomorrow

    OT, but I’m at a wedding and was intoroduced to someone who is a big shot at Amex. She said if I can get her names of agents over riding cards to up limits for the COS to get marks in debt she’ll launch an investigation. We do need a date and a name however. If you have info let me know and maybe we can get these people fired.
    Exit: Name of Card member, too. She thinks they might be running the cards through there various front groups so it just wouldn’t show up as say, IAS but Sterling management. Fraud, none the less.

    • jazzlover

      That’s good news, Todd. Did you happen to ask why she wasn’t aware of this before?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Only thing she said is that friend’s would often raise their friend’s limits. So much so that they fired numerous people. Said it isn’t as easy a thing to do now but very common. People often call to up their limit to make large purchases so it won’t effect their credit rating, debt to credit ratio. The longer they’ve had a history the more likely they are to do it.

        • jazzlover

          The whole credit industry is a huge mind-fuck. I’d just like to see someone who can take action take action. It could save some from financial ruin, and save some lives in the process. Let’s hope this exec you met isn’t just blowing smoke — ya know, just to get the goods on the bad employees so that she can fire them. If that’s the case, we both know that if a couple get taken down, there will just be another couple to pop up and take their place.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            She is my best friend’s( the groom’s) mother. Worked there for well over 25 years. Real straight arrow.

            • jazzlover

              Sounds promising then.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      You might want to post this question at some of the other boards/blogs too. I am sure there are exes who can name names.

    • Juicer77

      Don’t get the person fired. Get them monitored, quietly. Evidence gathering.

  • flyonthewall

    my favorite thought stopping cliche was “la ilaha illa’llah, Muhammad a’rasul Allah”

    • DoveAlexa
      • flyonthewall

        I’m not joking man, I’m serious. I use to be a very devout Muslim

        • DoveAlexa

          Oh okay, thought you were tryin’ to start a fire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

          • flyonthewall

            understandable. I got a Draw Four, Wild, Skip…nope no more Serious cards. It’ll be awhile till I’ll expect to be taken seriously again, no worries

            • DoveAlexa

              What? I thought we’ve been playing Cards Against Humanity!

        • Robert Eckert

          So now you’re a genuine bitter apostate?

          • Scream Nevermore

            Best way to be!

          • flyonthewall

            genuinely sweet murtad

            • Robert Eckert

              I found you a little salty– but certainly never sour

            • Draco

              Fitri or Milli?

            • flyonthewall

              Milli

              eta – thankfully

            • Draco

              OK. So no upset parents then?

            • flyonthewall

              actually the exact opposite 🙂

            • Draco

              Yeah, me too with scientology. Not parents as unfortunately, they have passed on, but my siblings are thrilled. And Baby Dracos. Who are now Big Kid Dracos. 🙂

            • flyonthewall

              Your parents would be proud I’m sure. That’s great news about the kiddos and siblings.

            • Draco

              xxx

      • Draco

        Desist! Nobody is allowed to swat the Fly!!

        • gtsix

          You’re not our supervisor!

          • Draco

            Nope – I’m the swat-stopper ;P

    • and in English?

      • Robert Eckert

        “no God but The God, Muhammad the messenger of God”

        • Scream Nevermore

          Reminds me of the ‘Credo in unum Deum, patrem omnipotentem…’ of my childhood. (I believe in one God, the Father Almighty…’)

          • Scream Nevermore

            Argh, I wish I hadn’t thought of that, can’t get the Gregorian chant version out of my head now!

          • Commodore H. McCringleberry

            At least there’s a lot more of it than just the one line. Also, as I like to remind my Bible-thumping Evangelical mom- it’s 126 years older than the Bible. . .

  • Justmeteehee

    The CoS lingo that grates me to the core is using 2D for spouse or family, it just demeans what familial love is and sounds degrading to me.

    • Draco

      I think it was meant to do that. It sounds so stupid now, doesn’t it?

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      That one has always struck me, too, as especially cold and designed to keep you from forming and nurturing emotional attachments. And as Draco says, that’s just what it was meant to do.

  • Observer

    New Truth About Ron, with my sincerest apologies to African-American Bunkeroos for this festering blot upon humanity.

    And credit to http://www.solitarytrees.net/ for the incredible compliation of Lafayette quotes to be found there.

    refresh

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Just sickening. I’ll be adding this to my Ron Series folder and sharing. Thank you so much for creating these; I know it must repulse you.

      • Observer

        This one sure did. I feel like I need to go boil myself.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Whoa! Elron getting his inner racist on! Having written so much over the course of a lifetime, there’s truly an LRH quote for all occasions! Unfortunately for his legacy as an ascended master, lots of them are like these comin’ back to bite him in his non-corporeal ass… Cleared Theta-Clear, summa cum loudly…HIKE!

    • flyonthewall

      the labor supply quote is new to me. Amazing. Just when I thought he couldn’t possibly disgust me even more

      • Observer

        I don’t think we’ll ever reach the end of his ability to disgust.

      • Robert Eckert

        She didn’t even include “Illiterate cultures do not survive and they are not very high. The natives of the tribe of the Bugga Bugga Booga Boogas down in Lower Bugga Wugga Booga Woog are mostly no longer with us, or they are around waving red flags today and revolting against their central government. And they didn’t learn fast. Their literacy was not up to absorbing culture rapidly. They’ve been very happily down amongst the bong-bong trees, you know, dancing up and down amongst the bong-bong trees, and the highest level of their interest and so forth was their own back yard.”

    • Scream Nevermore

      He really was slime on the scum on the shit on the shoe of humanity, wasn’t he?

    • Beth

      pig

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      This is why it is sometimes so very difficult for me to be charitable to the indies. It’s hard for me to see how that, once the blinders come off, anyone could still hold any allegiance to this man.

      • Draco

        I need to upvote you so many times for this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          And, Dragon, I try so hard to be understanding–especially to those recently out and still decompressing who need to use the indies as a stepping stone out the door. But I get frustrated when people can’t ultimately see scientology for the con game it is and was designed to be.

          Funny thing happened as I tried to write this reply: my cat stepped on my laptop and turned it off. So I had to restart and re-write. I thought you would appreciate this. ; )

          • Draco

            😀
            Cats will do that!
            I understand your frustration – I get like that too.

    • Draco

      Never heard of Mshombe… and neither has Google. Could it be? Did he make it up? Did his memory fail him? WTF are Mshombe?

      • Robert Eckert

        M- is a singular prefix. The Shombe, better known as Lunda, are a tribe of southern Congo and northern Angola. Under the spelling Tshombe it was the family name of a prominent Congolese politician.
        http://zyanya.wikidot.com/geography:shombe

        • Draco

          Well thank you, sir. Learn something new every day. And Hubbard never went near the Congo or Angola. But being the all-knowing thetan that he was, he just knew shit about all Africans.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    As I am in BLOODY FRANCE and had to miss the party in Dublin, John McGhee has kindly sent me photos to share here 🙂

    F5/refresh

    (I hope you know I’m kidding about glorious France, but l went to a lot of – failed – trouble to cut our trip short to join the fun across the Irish Sea!)

    • You could start a revolution to spice things up!

    • Baby

      I feel really bad for you Betty Boop since you are in the Freakin SWISS ALPS..

      I want to be there drinking my beer with my buddies.. sigh.. You guys all look so cute.. xo
      ( Substitue Sunday to Weekend with the doggy) f5

      • Observer

        I might reword that slightly… O.o

        • Baby

          talk to me

          • Observer

            <3

            • Baby

              OMG.. swear to Gawd.. I have a case of the giggles big, big time..

        • Baby

          OMG…bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahahhahaa

        • Baby

          OBS I can not stop laughing.. hahahhahahhahaa

        • Baby

          f5

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Haha!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Troublemakers and rabblerousers, the lot of ’em!

      • Baby

        They look like Big Spenders..eh?

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I only wish we were all there to help run up the tab and find out. ; )

          • Baby

            Oh that would be so much fun 5.. Dublin.. It is so hot here!

            I just ate Ramon Noodles with pieces of chicken and so much butter.. Salt and pepper to die for.

            My nephew left and it’s the only thing he could cook..

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              It’s hot and humid like Xenu’s balls up here. I can only imagine how gross it feels down in the swamps where you are. I’ve only been to Ireland once, many many moons ago when I was a young lass. It happened to be the 4th of July. I got so many free congratulatory pints that day!

              Ah, the magic healing powers of chicken and noodles…I’ve only been able to drop in the Bunker briefly for the last week or so. But I did see that you’ve been feeling lousy lately. I hope things are getting better for you. Here’s to brighter days, Babes!

            • Baby

              5.. So glad to see you! I know.. Rev. Mama Dee loves Ireland. I’ve always wanted to go there.

              Yes .. when you have 98 % it’s HOT..

              Yes..chicken and noodles.. but not so much liquid.. just the noodles, butter and chicken. yum

              I feel so much better than I did.. OMG I had Bronchitis and thought I was dying. ugh.. Thanks Boo

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Oy, bronchitis is the worst. Glad you’re on the mend!

    • Draco

      And I am ALWAYS at the wrong end of the world 🙁

      • Ella Raitch

        You and me both D

    • Juicer77

      Great photos!! Thanks for sharing. 🙂

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Billy says, “Send Andrea my love”
      …sent

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Captain Drummond! Thank you. Please send him my love back and tell him he’s looking very handsome 🙂

        • Commodore H. McCringleberry

          The pirate getup was the best.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            He still wears it often!

    • Snippy_X

      Holy cow, it’s the dream team with a nuclear arsenal!!!!!!

    • daisy

      Are these 2 bunkerites ? Avi*s? Who is the blonde with a brush cut ? Which one is Eivol in the other pictures . All answers of course with their permission. The ones I do know are Pete , Tony and the pirate. Only if it is not an imposition. Thanks

    • I am looking forward to a Megavalanche report when you get a chance!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Hi John! I’ve attached a couple of pics from Andrew’s qualifier two days ago which he managed to do 10 minutes faster than he’d hoped. Unfortunately that afternoon on a casual run he had an accident that has probably cracked a couple of ribs and because of where he placed in the qualies he raced yesterday instead of today and the lack of a rest day meant he was in a lot of pain – not that it bothered him in the slightest but it slowed him down a bit. He was honestly so happy just to have finished. Mum and I couldn’t get near the finish line and we missed him on the higher slopes so I don’t have pictures but he will order some professional ones which I’ll show you.

        I spoke to him by phone when he crossed the line and he sounded dead but by the time he wrote the following status on Facebook he was on a high! The camaraderie is amaxing here between the cyclists. There’s a large illegal but tolerated campsite under the lifts here in Alpe d’Huez where most of the lads are staying and it turns into a pretty sensible party each night. They are all so serious about the race that everyone is in bed by 10.30pm!

        This little beauty got me to the finish line in 2 hours 7 mins, 32km from 3300m down to 900m on some of the gnarliest tracks I’ve ever ridden. Battered, bruised and broken but in one piece. That is the hardest, most painful, most challenging thing I have ever done. But also the most fun I could hope for with the best kind of people I could hope to meet. #Megavalanche 2016 it has been an absolute pleasure and a privilege. I will be back.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Oops, the photos!

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Dublin we are in you…F5

    • ohh!… i thought Pete had 2 black eyes until i zoomed in

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      McGhee has such a naughty twinkle 😀

      • Ella Raitch

        He does doesn’t he. Always looks like he’s up to no good

    • Supper Powers

      Oh, Ireland is one of my favorite places to be! Y’all enjoy!

    • Juicer77

      There’s trouble right there! 😉

    • Baby

      OMG.. West Side Story Lives in Dublin f5

      • jazzlover

        Jets or Sharks? 😉 And where the heck is Maria?

        • Baby

          Maria is in the Alps

          OH shit they have to be Sharks for Howdy..

          • jazzlover
            • Baby

              I know.. I was talking about the one woman that would be there that can’t be there is

              I-betty.. and she is the Alps.. and it just dawned on me that Maria was in the Sound of Music. What a coinkydink

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I’m sobbing into my dirndl, Baby! 😛

            • Baby

              OMG my poor baby.. damn.. You just didn’t have a choice honey bunny.. but I know it’s killing you.. ( Not to mention HowdyCon ) ouch too early?

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              On my death bed mentioning HC will be too early!! Mind you, if I’d gone to Cleveland I would have missed your EPIC em-ceeing on the Saturday night, and that was something many of us will never forget!

            • Baby

              Oh honey.. OK.. I promise.. but next year..it will be spectacular..

              MY GAWD I hogged the camera what a bunch of poopy heads.

            • Robert Eckert

              We’ll send over a lonely goatherd to comfort you.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Now we’re talking!

            • MadisonAgain

              OMG. JTank in lederhosen!

              (I know I’m missing the umlaut – Damn Fire keyboard.

            • jazzlover

              LOL. Yeah, I thought you were referring to Julie Andrews! Think we can get i-Betty to do a rendition of “My Favorite Things”? 😉

            • Baby

              If she wasn’t going through such agony of missing Dublin I would.. poor sweetie..

            • jazzlover

              I know. Too bad. She coulda been doublin’ as a singer in Dublin 😉

    • Baby

      John.. do you still have teeth?

      • OOkpik

        When it comes to Scientology, definitely!

        • Baby

          OOOOOOh GOOD ONE OWL!

      • John McGhee

        What!!! Baby-bunk? Lol

        • Baby

          that picture made you look toothless.. bawwwwwwwhahhaa

          • John McGhee

            😀 😀

    • Kim O’Brien

      i’m going to Ireland

  • Jgg2012

    “regale us with their own favourites from the Scientology slogan bank…” Well, as a never in, I’ll give you the ones they have said to me. “You believe what you read on the internet?” “Do you think you’re smarter than everyone else?” “It works 100% of the time” “LRH was the greatest man who ever lived”.

    • Anonymous Confused Person

      “Do you think you’re smarter than everyone else?” “Not particularly, but it’s clear that YOU do…”

  • “You are alive as you can communicate” – Dead man Talking!

  • TonyOrtega

    Finally, some bloody wi-fi in this Irish hellhole. Your proprietor is in Dublin with the usual miscreants. Griffiths. McGhee. Duignan. Drummond. Eivol Ekdal, and more. And we just got done breaking news that we’re toasting and I will tell you about shortly.

    Wish you were here.

    • Baby

      couldn’t resist..f5

      • MadisonAgain

        Careful! You might make the bunker be mistaken for a cult. 😇

        • Draco

          Nobody would be so silly as to think that!

        • Baby

          Hi Maddie.. good to see you honey.. ** wink** xo baby

    • Rasha

      I see your connection problem.. it’s spelled “waegbh-fhaighbh”, not “wi-fi”. Check your Windheughbs Updates….

      • Mrs. V.

        That is the funniest thing I’ve heard all day.

        • Rasha

          hiaebh hiaebh!! 🙂

      • Faith and begorrah, at least it’s Gaelic and not Welsh. Lord only knows what the term “Wi-fi” would look like translated into Welsh.

        • Rasha

          (instictively reaches for tea-towel for pronunciation drenching….)

          ^_^

        • Robert Eckert

          ffyddlondeb heb wifrau

    • Vaquera

      “I will tell you about it shortly”
      OST: Ortega Standard Time

      • Rasha

        Ortega Suspense Tension

    • TexasBroad

      We wish we were there too. Looks like trouble. 🙂

      • Baby

        OH my Gawdddddd Broad.. Can you even imagine with this group.. ??

        it would be better than the Cavs Championship game.. xo

    • Juicer77

      I would faint from the accumulated manliness!

    • JaxNGold

      Tony, you’re such a nice guy. “Wish you were here”. Seriously, how many reporters would say that to their readers? Not many, I suspect.

    • flyonthewall

      hey i know you. Don’t be a stranger

  • Fink Jonas

    Scientology is a circus and they know how to push peoples buttons to react to their wishes, and the only desire in mind is “give us your money” no matter what button they push, they know very well the background of Mexicans are the Aztecs and the Aztecs were not a very refined society which practiced brutal human sacrifices and as consequence some cannibalism was practiced (not that it was their main diet). So they knew very well people would be interested in this picture…. at $20 a piece they kill two birds with one stone, get the propaganda of Hubbard into their heads and collect money at the same time. I would die to be a fly on the wall to hear the kind of bull that was being said, I bet the topic deviated from the GE to “lets build and Ideal Org” what do you say ha? sign here __________________ and what did you learn NOTHING.

    • Baby

      Hi Fink! I never know when you are going to zip in.. xo baby

      • Fink Jonas

        HI Baby, I’m an owl sometimes awake during the day, very rare. lol

        • Baby

          You got my hours.. Yep.. It is rare and I love it.. House is so quiet and it’s just fabulous solitude.. xo

    • Scream Nevermore

      The Aztecs were quite cultured – and even their human sacrifices were not random killings, but for a purpose. They honestly believed that without the sacrifices the Sun God would abandon the world to darkness and destruction.

      • Robert Eckert

        And of course the Spanish, the so much more civilized people who conquered them, honestly believed that God needed them to burn people alive from time to time.

        • Scream Nevermore

          Oh, don’t start me on the Spanish!

        • Commodore H. McCringleberry

          Go get the book A World Lit Only by Fire by William Manchester and read how Magellan died. A more extreme example of what you’re referring to.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    What?
    “Hear from local City Officials and the Office of Special Affairs on what
    are the exact steps to take towards making Clearwater the safest city!”
    (refresh)

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Not a thought-stopping cliche, but scientology’s premise that there are “exact steps” to everything in life irks the crap out of me. Life is not a series of widgets. It’s not “insert tab A into slot B.” How silly.

      • Juicer77

        Ain’t that the truth.

    • Scream Nevermore

      I seriously wish someone would just tell them to ‘fuck right off’!

    • JaxNGold

      Make Clearwater the safest city? Well that’s easy. Arrest Miscavige and put an end to the CO$.

  • The Bridge to Total…?

    • Rasha

      “The Bridge to Total.”

      Rasha likes this.

    • Baby

      + 1 f5

    • Vaquera

      I don’t know where it’s a bridge to, but sign me up!

    • Baby

      I love J.D.’s expression.. Yep I would be very leary too ..

    • Baby

      John M. so glad to see your teeth..you scared me for a minute

    • Scream Nevermore

      Sobriety??

      • gtsix

        From a group of irishman?

        Ahhhh haaa haaaa.

        • Scream Nevermore

          They used to all sign the pledge (literally – it’s a real document that I have seen with my own eyes!) so some of them must stay teetotal. None of my Irish relatives did, mind you!

          • gtsix

            I think that’s why so many came to the US… even during prohibition we kept on drinking. I pledge allegiance to my liver, may you last a lifetime being drowned in whisky and beer… (and thank you Indian tribes for the herb… always a nice addition to a fun night)

    • Juicer77

      What a great picture. Real joy there.

    • Baby

      WE KNOW EVERY square inch of these men.. so they ain’t happy.. they are in severe PAIN .. f5

      • Juicer77

        LOL

      • jazzlover

        Reminds me of Jenny answering Davey’s call:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WTdTwcmxyo

        • Commodore H. McCringleberry

          OT, but PROTIP!!! You know little plastic keyring discount cards you get from the grocery store, or CVS, Walgreens, Target, Ace Hardware, and a million other places, where you scan it for a discount? Of course you know them, but you didn’t know that every city and town has a hidden cabal of people like me that despise waiting in line while people fill out the forms to get them, but don’t want to be passed over for the discount. When you get up the register with your purchases, tell them you forgot the card. They’ll ask you to put in your phone number (local area code) 867-5309. It ALWAYS works. I used to have a job where I traveled to a different city (sometimes two) every week. I tried it at every store I went into and I’ve never had it fail.

          The BEST PART: If you live in a place that has a build-up reward system (for example, the Randalls/Safeway and Kroger supermarkets sometimes have a gas station attached where you build up a progressively bigger discount at the pump as you use the card), use this code instead and you’ll almost always get the maximum discount. One time, at a CVS, I used the code (281) 867-5309 and they cashier said about 20 different entries came up and asked which one I was. The top one, of course. The receipt spit out a $30 store credit. Free toilet paper, soap, vitamins, and a new toothbrush for McCringleberry!! Someone tell the Sea Org!

          • jazzlover

            Thanks for that. What a unique and interesting occurrence! Do you think stores have no idea that so many are using what is obviously a faked phone number? Have we become so reliant on outdated programming that something like this couldn’t possibly be caught? I’m gonna have to test this out 🙂 I could always use a few extra gas points.

            • Robert Eckert

              Obviously the youngsters have never been educated about Jenny, Jenny. Don’t the schools teach anything anymore?

            • jazzlover

              It’s really stupefying how many businesses and other agencies in this country haven’t really bothered to keep up with technology. The youngsters don’t even have to know the number. Just write a simple line of code that sends up a flag when the number of duplicates hits like 1,000 🙂

        • Baby

          OH yeah.. Nailed it jazz

    • Baby

      The guys are on the town tonight! f5

    • Scream Nevermore
    • OOkpik

      OK, who let the dogs out?

    • Vaquera

      The Bridge to Total Testosterone.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Bridge to Total Hangover?

      • Rasha

        (thinking….)……….I got no problem with that.

    • Willie Jones

      Awwww, joyful manliness, looks contagious. Just makes you want to be there to join in the festivities.

    • Ella Raitch

      ….Awesomeness?

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      One heck of a nice picture of the nicest guys. So good to see you all.

  • aegerprimo

    FREE HUGS! Thought we all could use some…
    https://www.facebook.com/FreeHugsProject/videos/981015708626965/

    • Rasha

      ‘Rite?? …..y’know????

    • Kat

      I love it!! I don’t care if it’s “propaganda”. I’ll take it any day over “Blame Obama” or “Make America Great” Trumpisms .. This is my thought stopper!

      • aegerprimo

        You can’t go wrong with free hugs!

    • Draco

      Hmmm… he does look cuddly 🙂

      • Rasha

        Easy, you….

      • Scream Nevermore

        I’d hug him!

        • Draco

          Get in line sista…I will take you down!

          • Scream Nevermore

            I’m a Scots-Irish-Viking-Norman hybrid – come and have a go if you think you’re hard enough! 😀

            • Draco

              I’m a dragon…

            • Scream Nevermore

              My middle name is George… (no, not really!)

            • Draco

              New game – take Daisy down!!

            • Scream Nevermore

              Right, let’s get her! Daisy, we’re coming for ya!

            • Draco

              I got her! F5

            • Scream Nevermore

              LOL!

            • Rasha

              NICE!

            • daisy

              And daisy sneaks in while the others fight.

            • aegerprimo

              Oh my! I’m a wimpy-ass American descendant from pilgrims. I will step back and watch all you bitches hug the sexy huggy guy. Meanwhile, I will dream about getting a hug from Mr. Hugs Wow.

            • Ann B Watson

              Hi aegerprimo, I saw your comment above.I am a whimpy-ass American descendant of pilgrims also.My 11x great- grand Dad was Old Gov. William Bradford.And here we are.xo

            • Robert Eckert

              My multi-great-grandad was Stephen Bostwick, who brought a party of settlers from Boston and moved to the village of Shawmut, which he renamed New Boston (the New did not stick). A distant cousin on that branch is Barry Bostwick, who played the nerd in Rocky Horror Picture Show.

            • Ann B Watson

              Hi Robert, I am so late with comments here.How cool is that and what a shrinking world we live in with all the methods of comm.What is funny is hubby Walter just found out his second cousin was the late Robin Williams.They both have the same maternal great grandmother from originally Scotland and then Missisippi.Her husband was gov of Miss twice and three term Senator prior to 1900.I am learning alot about all sorts of different branches of his clan which on the one hand his late Dad’s was Park Ave NY and on the other hand his late Mom’s family divided the city of Lynchburg,Va into four sections and his granddad and three uncles ruled their own sections for years.Well I learn new stuff all the time!And my first bank account at seven was at Shamut Bank in Bean-town.XXOO

    • daisy

      Pant- I will certainly hug him. He is so cute. What a sweet idea but it wasn’t my first idea.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Anyone here into Pokemon GO? Recently there have been many comments on social media about Pokemon lures showing up at CO$ buildings in a lot of cities (Pasadena, Austin, Seattle, etc.). Is the CO$ trying to attract meat bodies with Pokemon now? Is advertising on Adult Swim/Cartoon Network and using Pokemon lures part of their campaign to be “The Coolest Religion on Earth”? SMH
    (refresh)

    • DoveAlexa

      At first I was outraged, (mildly) but then I see how you can get them by loitering outside and now I’m laughing.

      Nice try, now they’ll get plenty of mocking traffic!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I’m more surprised by the fact that people still play Pokemon. That seems so fin de siecle.

    • Rasha

      Nice try, Cherch. While we’re at it, just forget about my Pogs. I already got Xenu, Glycol, Marcab, TroubleMaker AND the Bunker Cabal, and I AIN’T PLAYIN’!!!

    • Elegant Mess

      Oh geez! I’ll put the word out to my Pokemon GO playing friends. I thought that it was dangerous already, positing that it will only be a matter of time before some poor kid wanders into traffic while chasing something in the game. Now they have to worry about clams? Smh

    • flyonthewall

      scientology using pokemon as bait. Never thought I’d type that outloud

      • Rasha

        …Scientology…. smashed into history…. as a comical footnote….

    • Jimmy3

      They show up everywhere at random. The CoS has absolutely no control over it.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Does that mean’s they’re geocaching too?

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I love this photo of Tony and Mario taken by John.

    F5

    • daisy

      Sorry for the constant questions, I just would like to know as many fellow bunkers as I can. What is Mario*s avi?

      • Draco

        Still with the missing apostrophe, huh?

        • daisy

          I have quit looking, I believe it is some kind of cosmic joke.

          • Rasha

            To be fair, both of my keyboards are like that, and I only recall having one…..

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Mario is a Belgian journalist who lives in Ireland, Daisy 🙂

        • daisy

          Thank you Betsy.

    • aegerprimo

      Where was this taken? Of course I need to know so I can upload it to my Flickr and put in the appropriate album….
      https://www.flickr.com/photos/132611082@N08/albums

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Dublin

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        In Dublin city centre last night my darling 🙂

  • exccla

    The words i had a hard time not using was ‘dev-t.’ Not to easy to find another word or two to substitute fo it. I guess i use stupid or unecessary . Also tried not to use ‘off-purpose.’ That was ‘too cultie’ for me.

  • MadisonAgain

    WTF is wrong with Disqus? When I try to upvote something it sends me back to the sign-in or downvotes something I’m not EVEN looking at! Getting a little testy here – sorry, it’s just Dublin, and stupid things scientology says, and LRH’s racist, misogynist, thieving pus-filled brain….

    Etc spelling

    • DoveAlexa

      Yeah, I have disqus jumping around when I upvote, and when using a weaker device I get logged out constantly. Someone suggested scroll locking on google chrome but I use firefox, so…

    • Robert Eckert

      This very odd and annoying glitch has afflicted numerous users at random times, apparently starting when Disqus introduced the “block” feature and must have incorporated some bug into the code revision.

      • jazzlover

        Hey, speaking of annoying glitches, whatever happened to Nicky Jordan?

        • Robert Eckert

          The human who operated the bot agreed to go away

          • jazzlover

            LOL. Is that assumed, or did someone convince him?

            • Robert Eckert

              No, there was a lengthy exchange. The final post, we all agreed, sounded human.

            • jazzlover

              Ah. I missed that. So was he benign, or was it more of a focused mission?

            • Robert Eckert

              I think it was in the nature of a field-testing, of software intended for some other purpose.

            • jazzlover

              Ok, so it wasn’t what it could have been. I remember being a little taken aback when he appeared. He was literally speaking in something close to Morse Code, complete with dots and dashes.

        • Lucille Austero

          Bazinga!

    • daisy

      It has been doing that off and on for a couple of weeks. It is driving me crazy . Nice to see you again Maddy.

      • MadisonAgain

        Missed you, Daisy! I’m glad you recognized me. Can’t remember my original name & Mr Madison kinda jumped the gun in deleting my login deets everywhere. Now he says it’s good exercise for my cognitive abilities to try to remember everything. Yeah, right. I’m just making them all new again! 😇

    • aegerprimo

      Try using Opera browser. Disqus has been stable for me since using it.

      • MadisonAgain

        Wish I could but I’m on a Kindle Fire – used to have Chrome but can’t remember how I got it and it’s gone now. Can’t believe I’m saying this but I want my iPad back.

        • aegerprimo

          You should be able to install Opera Mini on your Kindle.

          • MadisonAgain

            Thanks! I’ll try.

          • Vaquera

            (I just sent you some more HC16 photos.)

          • MadisonAgain

            Well, AP, I tried. Just crashes. I’m on a Fire HDX 8.9 so maybe that’s the prob. Technology isn’t supposed to last forever. Sigh. But, it could be worse. I have a cat on my lap so all is good.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            AP – I also sent you some photos. I sent you a link to a remote site. Please let me know if it doesn’t work.

    • Draco

      It’s been doing it for weeks now. Very annoying. It’s as though it takes control of the cursor…
      Curses.

    • Justmeteehee

      Disqus has been a poopoo head for me all week.

  • A few more tidbits on those 1982 Cold Case murders:

    http://vernpierson.us/blog/blog/2016/07/07/1982-cold-case-homicide-revisited-marilyn-putt-and-julie-schossow/

    Although not a member herself, Marilyn Putt was closely associated with several leading members of the “Church of Scientology”.

    Also that they were probably held captive for approximately (3) months at an unknown location most likely somewhere between South Lake Tahoe and the Placerville areas. Ugh.

    “Several leading members”, herm.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Huh, interesting…Thanks for staying on top of this. I’m really curious about this case…

      • Yeah. Leaders of Scientology with connections to gambling and imprisoning women. I’m drawing a blank here…

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Yeah. Gee. Me, too.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I wonder if she was dating a clam. Do leading members (or even non-leading ones) generally date non-scientologists?

      • PerpetualOutflow

        They do out of necessity b/c the gene pool would be too small otherwise. But with serious clams, it’s expected that their wog 2Ds will become Scientologists in short order. If they don’t, the relationships usually won’t last.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          I’ve been wondering if the foreigners the CO$ brings into the US, besides supplying cheap labor, are a dating pool for the local clams. I can’t imagine a non-scientologist with any knowledge of the CO$, wanting to date a clam.

          • PerpetualOutflow

            Prolly for Sea Ogres but not for paying public b/c they have no money and can’t help pay for their bridge.

  • Draco

    I’m out. G’night all. And don’t get too green about Dublin…

    • Rasha

      Pfft…. not…… much…….

    • Rasha

      I think it’s clear skies out there tonight…. I hope I get to see the stars there someday…..

    • flyonthewall

      green – dublin. ISWYDT

      • Draco

        ;P

    • beauty for ashes

      Aw man! I just got here! Is it because I always wear my pajamas in the bunker and forget to brush my teeth? **sighs** Well g’night anyway Draco 😉

    • gtsix

      Sleep well Dragon.

      • Rasha

        zzzzzzzzz…….

  • beauty for ashes

    It’s funny but I swear I’ve adopted scientology terms all on my own. I love **tech** ~ but like coffee tech, kitteh tech etc etc. Postulate~ all the time! And I firmly believe all parking wins come from my OT capabilities and super powers. I would sincerely find it hard especially coming from the SO, to wean myself off of the shorthand. Which as I remember Steve Hassan says is the first thing you should do after leaving a cult.
    I had a stable win today~ translates to what? Then you would have to really examine what you are thinking you think. What is a stable win? is there any such thing in the real world? No, not really. M/Us~ not really that important as we understand and perceive things in context usually. The more I think about it, the more compassionate I am. It must be terribly terribly hard. And if you’ve read this and you’ve done it, take a minute to congratulate yourself, pat yourself on the back, and say good job!!!!

    • Liberated

      No what you mean to say is “very well done”!!!
      Please, please, no more “stable wins” …….I don’t think I can handle another Jenna joke.

      • beauty for ashes

        Now for something completely different. F5

        • Liberated

          For some reason there’s a pbs station, not the usual public broadcasting one here that once and a while shows odd-ball shows. So just like last Sat. nite showed MST3K, at 9 est. and the same tonight at 9.
          I’m so excited I can hardly wait, I’ve already discussed this at length w/Juicer.
          When little Tom Servo gets so excited he starts swinging his little arms around, I can hardly contain myself.
          I’ve come to the conclusion I need to get out more.

          • beauty for ashes

            Ooooor…… you just need more people to come to your house 🙂

            • Liberated

              Yes, but they MUST be the right kind of people. The photo of little Davey in the straight jacket kinda freaked me out.
              What if they act all nice and shit, then turn around and “Pearl Harbor” me ? Ya gotta be careful man. Tom Servo gets me, I just know he does.
              OT–What’s Tony doing in Ireland?

            • beauty for ashes

              Yes good people, I concur:) I got in late Libs and can’t seem to figure what is going on either!

            • Liberated

              Alright, I have the answer, I have the answer! Get yourself comfortable.
              The reason our proprietor is currently in the “Emerald Isle” he has discovered a connection, a true genetic connection that little Davey Miscavige is of “Leprechaun” descent. Ancestry has been found and Mr. Ortega is there this very moment finalizing DNA material confirmation.
              The more info Mr. Ortega discovers, we will be informed.
              Hat, pipe, shoes, “me lucky charms”, Does it get any better than this? We’re talking Holy Grail, people, and I’m not referring to Monty Python.

            • Rasha

              YESH!

          • Rasha

            He’s the Wind, Baby…. ask Juicer.

            (full disclosure – Rasha is a HUGE MST3K fan from way back)

    • As a never in whose knowledge of Scientology phrases come largely courtesy of this community I sometimes catch myself in odd places and times thinking (but not outright blurting), “Aren’t you a little suppressive {fill in an expletive/adjective}.” or just mentally translating some random acronym with LRH-laden meanings.

      Today’s fun pic:

    • Vancouverite

      I know someone who is a Never In who uses their connection via family as a “party trick” … a conversation piece and bragging rights. … I don’t mind this and actually offered the person one of my clear bracelets. I got rid of everything else – just rubbish-binned the lot. I would give it to someone as something to ridicule. As a recent and recovering out, I’m not one to embrace the language. I’m still stripping it.

      • beauty for ashes

        I hope I didn’t come across saying that I’m using it as a party trick, it is just a thing my brain does. like translating things into French when I am studying it.
        I just want to say good luck with your recovery, it as I’ve learned is a long and painful process. I give you a lot of credit for what you have achieved so far. 🙂

    • kemist

      For me, it somehow isn’t much different from the sets of jargon I picked up from the two fields I studied (chemistry and computer engineering).

      It is similar in that the terms which are used are often too specialized to have equivalents in “the real world” – even if, admittedly the “specialization” you see in scientology is based on weird bullshit theories and are completely useless and meaningless outside of it.

      The experience with it gave me a little insight as to how we sound when we speak it – programmers sound weird, when you don’t know what they’re talking about, especially when they use words that normally have other meanings in the outside world.

      • beauty for ashes

        Thank you~ jargon! The word I was straining to remember! Yes very true.

  • flyonthewall

    Going on 2hrs now for this breaking news we were told was coming “shortly”. f5

    • Robert Eckert

      I believe that “shortly” in this context means 7am Eastern Standard Time, noon GMT

      • flyonthewall

        what the!? how is 12hrs from now shortly??

        • Haven’t you heard? You can become cause over time and it doesn’t matter.

          Besides time is relative.

          Just found post … it’s only been three hours. He’s in Ireland for goodness sakes.

          If the wifi is crap he’s likely depending on homing pigeons. If he’s using pigeons I don’t know how well trained his cats are to 1) not kill the birds and 2) decode and type his message.

          • flyonthewall

            i dont wanna hear non of that jibba jabba! I’m an American and I want breaking news damn it and I want it now!

            • outraged

              yes Donald.

            • Turn on Fox News then.

              If you don’t want Fox watch MSNBC.

              If you don’t like Fox or MSNBC watch CNN.

              If you don’t like Fox, MSNBC or CNN read Dianetics … I hear it’s real popular.

            • Rasha

              (puts down glass) ….hmmm? Nope. I’m good.

            • Rasha

              [flashy, spinny words]TONIGHT!! BREAKING NEWS!! [alarming music] DUN-ditta-dun-dun-ditta-dun-ditta-ditta-dun“Coming live from Ironland, Toby or Tangle reports up-to-the-minute, amazing things about news! Carolyn!” [spinny, loud, zippy CGI over to the LA studios – zwoomy camera pans] “That’s right, Dan, amazing news coming from the other side of a water… thing, about an …. amazing story! Gerrold!! [DUN-ditta-ditta-dun-dun-dun-swoosh-bap-ptang!]”Back to you, Chad!”[swoooom-zip-explodey-CGI] “Carl!”

              [commercial break]

        • gtsix

          You were the brat always asking “are we there yet?” aren’t you.

          Have a coke and a smile 😉

      • No Robert, Ortega needs to take a break from all the festivities, find that WiFi again and do the right thing.

        • flyonthewall

          yeah what you said

        • Robert Eckert

          You and what army are going to make him?

    • Yeah, man! Time to riot.

      • flyonthewall

        ugh, it’s too hot to riot

    • beauty for ashes

      Let me get this straight. Tony is in Ireland, home of Guinness, and he told y’all a couple of hours ago he’s gonna tell you something important?

      • Rasha

        (suppresses tiny smirk)

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Irish village time

      • Robert Eckert

        He and Pete and the others were toasting a new breaking story which he will fill us in on, “shortly”

    • Observer

      I’m playing Destiny, and there’s a guy here with me named Lego Dude 01.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      That thing both fascinates me and creeps me out.

    • Draco

      Time is different in Ireland.

  • This feels somewhat apropos …

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Yes! It’s relevant to so many situations, actually.

    • Its a thing.

  • Vancouverite

    I really like the question and wish there were more answers on top comments:
    As a recent ‘out’ (but UTR due to life) I have found great succor in the whole, “thought stopping cliche” concept. It’s quite valuable and has been a huge help. I HAVE had difficulty in ‘learning how to speak’ and it helps to come to these websites.

    I want absolutely nothing to do with scn anymore. I want to rip every shred of it off of me, of my thinking, of my way of doing things. Many things have been easy to just throw-the-hell-out. Many ideas and concepts or Ways of Doing Things were already an anathema to me. I harboured quite a few disagreements all whilst fully embracing hubbard and blaming the shit on his misguided minions. (NO MORE)

    so to answer the question: recently my spouse was inexplicably critical of me. Sadly….:( … I had the thought, “hmm… why’s he being so crabby, what’s behind THAT?”
    So despite joyfully disavowing the whole “overt-motivator” control mechanism… apparently it’s still ingrained enough to be controlling my thoughts. I am greatly dismayed by this.

    I miss the concepts of “postulates” and “havingness”. I need to replace these with real world truth or ideas. I want to embrace nothing of hubbard. I’m working on the above two.

    I think life has everything to offer without a shred of that liar.

    …..
    many were easy to shed. “he pulled it in” “she’s out ethics” “they have overts” “anyone not on the bridge is a wog and is clueless” “it doesn’t matter because it’s just this one lifetime” “they’re wogs” “if it isn’t written it isn’t true” “I don’t confuse scientology with scientologists” “it’s just bank” “they’re PTS” “he’s in lower conditions” “that’s dev-t”, “he’s got MU’s”, “that’s out tech”, “just go up the bridge” … all of these were pretty easy to shed.

    I think it will take years or the rest of my life to recover. It’s fun, it’s frightening, it’s awful, it’s wonderful, it’s such a relief. It’s lonely, it’s unfathomable and indescribable. I understand why people would resort to drugs and alcohol and suicide and how they’d just run away and never look back. I down play it to survive.

    • Rasha

      (skootches over on Bunker sofa, pats seat)

      • Vancouverite

        *wipes tear

        • Rasha

          Rasha has never been where you were, but it is still most important.

        • MarcabExpat

          LOTS of us here can sympathize from experience. You’re among friends. Welcome, and please stay. You’re just getting underway on your new, choose-your-own-adventure!

        • MadisonAgain

          (((((HUGS)))))

    • daisy

      Welcome , we are glad you are out. Nola is the bartender.

      • I’m also glad that you are out… where is Nola?

        • daisy

          I was never-in. I think Nola is on holiday, I help myself when she is gone. The rest of you should probably wait until she gets back.

          • Ella Raitch

            Rofl. You’re a vicarious lush, aren’t you!

      • Ella Raitch

        That’s our Daisy…clear with the priorities!

    • How long have you been lurking here? I think all exes has been around all this over the past couple of years – in the bunker!

      • Vancouverite

        still too paranoid to even answer, though truth is my ingrained default. I’ve been around a little while. I read every day. I worry a bit. I am unendingly grateful for this site and Mike’s.

        • Ok! – what i did was reading Jon Atacks writing here : http://tonyortega.org/scientology-mythbusting-with-historian-jon-atack/

          Take your time and you don’t have to read it in any order

          • Vancouverite

            I’ve got his book and will get the updated version from a secured kindle belonging to someone else. He’s a hero.

            • To replace all Hubbard’s words and concepts with real normal words and concepts, can be difficult, but pretty straight forward when you are not surrounded with scientologist 24/7
              Hubbard stole and perverted all his “research” so one has to find out from where he took his ideas from and read that instead. You will find replacement for things like Postulates and Havingness. Use wikipedia.org when you can and forum.exscn.net if you have too

            • Vancouverite

              thanks. I love the easy acceptance and help of you all bunker folk. 🙂

            • you welcome… try and read this one: https://therealaskthescientologist.wordpress.com/2013/10/13/the-big-bad-church-of-scientology/

              This site is a strait forward Q&A and answers many questions. you will be amazed!

            • Vancouverite

              ……….just off the top….got anything for “granting beingness”? The concept of “postulates” is so hubbard … I decided that if I wanted to use that idea, I’d simply use, “magical thinking” as a term. I will “magick it into being”… 😉 because as far as I got, postulate was an OT ability. supposedly our postulates always worked, yet they didn’t, so there was this whole other body of tech to explain that… so we were left just “postulating’ – HOPING …and having this ‘magical believed hope’ as a postulate. Postulates are such a trap. Oh yes, you can predict and cause the future! Just postulate!” and when they don’t ‘work’ we have reasons for that at the ready. 🙂 ……….. so for my here-on-out I’m willing for Come What May. and if I feel the need for some sort of fake ‘buoy me up’ confidence and hope… well… I got my magical thinking at the ready. I’m sure it’ll work just as well.

            • “granting beingness” ha ha ..i’m still stuck with that one 🙂 The closest i have been abel to get on that one is Respect towards others. Postulates – “An axiom or postulate as defined in classic philosophy, is a statement (in mathematics often shown in symbolic form) that is so evident or well-established, that it is accepted without controversy or question.” – it is that borring (from wikipedia). There are no OT’s or Clears… you have to work on this and there are no OT powers.

            • Vancouverite

              yah, it’s hard, right? 🙂 (I really have NO “loss” on my Ot and Clear status. it’s SO funny how that which was so wonderful is now so easily noooooooooooooothing. 🙂 🙂 I care Not One Whit.

          • Vancouverite

            …………and THANK YOU for these links. *blows kisses.

        • Don’t live in fear.
          They have no power except what you give them.

          • Vancouverite

            if I had no family or friends to lose it would be different. I’d burn ’em to the ground.

            • I won’t presume to give you advice.
              Luck.

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              I knew that was it. No burning please. As betrayed, afraid and resentful as you are . They are people also. Chill and participate here when you want. Online some people can be assholes some can be nice . So sorry for the time you wasted but that’s over. I can say this because I wasted a college education a chance for an excellent career, lost the love off my life I thought, alienated my family….The whole package. It was all worth it to get out.. and you are not alone. I gotta go. Got some things to do. Welcome.

          • PerpetualOutflow

            Shorpy, I wish this were true, but when you’re dealing with people who have no morals but do have blind obedience, they will do anything they are told to ruin people, to spread false rumors about them, to destroy their reputation, to stalk and scare them, to push their buttons, to get them fired from their jobs, to spy on them. Their tentacles are often invisible, and many are covert Scientologists, so you won’t find their completions and donations online. This is still going on, so some caution is in order.

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              Correct.

        • UhLasare

          Welcome. (((Hugs)))

        • Cosmo Pidgeon

          It’s OK to lay low and not expose yourself. Hey what person who left Scientology needs more attention from Scientology. It takes a good amount of courage to post here as most are never ins that enjoy the stories but those that come out have to deal with the harassment. It doesn’t follow the never ins unless they are a vocal known critic or protester. I’ll temper that with I and I’m sure you have to have seen posters on this blog rally to help an ex. Phil and Willie and Fred are two of the latest examples. Also they can’t hurt you but for one way which is disconnection of a loved one. I left so many friends behind and I’m not going back for them. They’ll have to come around on their own. Start an new life.

          • Vancouverite

            I’m thinking that in the next ten years or less I’ll come fully out. There are familial and financial things to consider at this point. My great circle of people are the one’s who are in for these last decades. But I’ve been such a rebel!! I’ve kept close contact with my Not In family and some friends. AND I’ve had utter stupidity and insanity to continually propagate new friendships with (gasp!) “wogs”. 🙂 I’m a friendly person. 🙂 I’ve had to defend my relationships with these folks over the years. ha! I’ll stay UTR as long as I can and need to. Then…. … .. … ………….. …………… ….. … ahhh screw it.

    • Illinoisian

      Welcome and thanks for the honesty and simplicity of your comment. The ‘working at it every day’ quality of your effort to shed these thought patterns is very moving, and your descriptions of the feelings that arise are revealing. As a never-in, I could make some similar statements: I think I’m getting a real understanding of the mindset. And I realize I’ll never truly understand the experience of an ex-Scientologist. I think I see how deeply it effects one’s thinking, then it hits me that the patterns go far deeper than I imagined.

      Again, thanks for the insights, and I hope you will continue to comment from time to time.

      • Vancouverite

        thank you for all of this. It’s funny…but sometimes I spend time wondering what it would have been like if I never got in. I spent almost 40 years in, and I was introduced as a teenager. So it’s been my answer to everything for most of my conscious life. I don’t know anything about anything. I’m just breathing at this point. I have zero answers and need none at this point. Reality is unreal. 🙂

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Whether ex’s or never-ins, we all feel you pain.

          • Vancouverite

            thank you… mainly it’s joy, you know. it’s only when one contemplates or looks back can the boogey monster come out. mainly, if I just breathe…it’s just joy.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Well, protect yourself. They truly are venomous, devious and unethical, so prudence is in order. Just take the proper precautions.

            • Vancouverite

              I am throwing caution to the wind in one aspect: I’m commenting here. Everything else is pretty protected. If I’m hunted down and destroyed for this…so be it. Commenting here and there is part of what I’ve chosen as my escape recovery thing. I’m not high level ex-SO and know of no buried bodies. 🙂

            • PerpetualOutflow

              If you have questions about Internet security, I’m sure there are many here who can point you in the right direction so you have peace of mind that you’ve done all you can to protect your ID.

        • Cosmo Pidgeon

          Oh boy. Catch your breath. It gets better. So much better especially when you start to explore other things than being an ex. Read, ( I mean fiction, history, biographies, whatever. Meet new people. They are not wogs. They are people. I never bring up Scientology and created a whole life and career with new friends with no mention of Scientlogy. I still get letters. They find you and occasional phone call. I tell em you got the wrong fucking guy. It’s not so bad. Got a real funny letter the other day. “Hey I see it’s been over 25 years since you did a service. Damn right!..In the trash.

        • Illinoisian

          I think that your honesty about how you feel right now is your greatest asset. No need to struggle. Just breathe and ‘be with’ the feeling of having no answers. Welcome to the breath of fresh air known as uncertainty. It might make you feel light headed at first but that will pass. (And unlike helium, it will not make your voice sound high pitched like a cartoon character.) Lots of help is here for you.

    • Supper Powers

      Glad you’re here. Slow and steady. You’re in control now!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Welcome! That was a very moving post. That last graf in particular…Your descriptions are so palpable that even a never-in like me can feel it. Thank you for being so bravely honest.

      Not quite the same thing, but I grew up in a very religious (Catholic) family–as in, I had family members who were part of the clergy. I rejected it as a teenager–while still going to a Catholic high school, so that was interesting. Even into my early adult life, as I was shedding all those early beliefs, I remember experiencing just what you describe–I missed those go-to, built-in responses or concepts that functioned as easy answers for otherwise complex questions. I kinda missed not being able to attribute certain experiences or situations to an outside force because then it meant I had to search harder and further–sometimes within myself, asking myself hard questions and having to admit to hard truths. It sucked for a while having to take responsibility for myself, but in the end it was so rewarding.

      I wish you all the best as you continue shedding the old indoctrination and finding your own language for the world. I hope you’ll find some comfort, support, and humor here.

      • Vancouverite

        thank you. Good Job, new friend. 🙂 Today I was musing on the concept of “granting beingness”. I used to be commended at times for my great ability to “grant beingness”. I really appreciated those compliments. It meant that I could see people and give them honor and respect for things just right of out of the gate. Like, one didn’t need to have to ‘prove themselves” I just granted them whatever it was they were being and creating. hubbard had an issue about granting of beingness. I want a replacement for this. I want the real world of this. I don’t want to keep anything of hubbard. I value people and I think most of us do. I don’t think it’s a magical ability that hubbard invented. I need words to describe this, not hubbard words.

        • dungeon master

          How about appreciating their humanity and their presence? Tomato/tomahto? LOL. I think it’s mostly treating people with respect and dignity, even before you really know them. I have always had a great deal of empathy for people I’ve known all my life or just met. It’s kind of weird, when I think about it. Not having the filters that most people look at the world thru and evaluate people. A survival instinct that skipped me genetically. It may be I am misunderstanding and talking about something entirely unrelated (LOL again). Regardless, welcome to Bunkerville, where Bunkerites, Bunkeroos, BunkerHeads ™ and assorted trolls gather to drink and eat popcorn and j&d to our hearts’ content. Edit for train of thought.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Empathy, yes! I actually typed my post above before reading yours.

            • dungeon master

              It was a well constructed and sincere response, regardless. It seems to me that no matter what religion we grew up in, we all have had to learn to speak normally and evaluate our opinions constantly for validity to our current lives.

          • Vancouverite

            I love this. Yes. appreciating their humanity and presence. 🙂 Yep. Thanks. It’s not a pat phrase but it helps.

            • Draco

              Hi and welcome Vancouverite 🙂 So glad you are out.

              “Pat phrases” are a very scientological / cult thing. You don’t need them to communicate. They are a substitute for real, original thought and communication. Don’t seek to replace the pat phrases with other pat phrases – just express your feelings in your own words. Language is beautiful and doesn’t need to be abbreviated or reduced to one-word descriptions.

              Wishing you lots of joy in your journey out and hope your spouse starts to wake up soon.

            • Vancouverite

              thank you, this is good advice. ..and yes, I do love language and love to have the right words just flow to capture what I want to say …it’s so much fun. There are so many layers of brainwashing to skin, and you’ve nailed one for me. That habit of having The One Thing ..the phrase, ….. I will seek to swim in the fluidity of life rather than be riveted in one spot on the bank, proclaiming that that one viewpoint is the only one that exists.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Hmm…Well, I think the words you used do a pretty good job of it. You accept people for who they are. I think that means you’re empathetic, because I think you have to be able to put yourself in another’s place in order to fully accept and appreciate them. It’s not magical, no, but I’m not sure it’s something most people in this world have mastered. At least, not intuitively. I still think it’s a special ability. So good on you!

        • madame duran

          The person was already “being” and “creating”. You didn’t grant them anything. “Granting beingness” means nothing in plain English and doesn’t accomplish anything in a practical sense.
          How about you giving someone a compliment or being encouraging? In that sense, you are “granting” or acknowledging something.

          • Vancouverite

            ummmmm….sorry. that’s not it. Granting of beingness is wonderful. It IS something. It’s like, giving someone full credit and acceptance at face value. It’s not having someone prove themselves first.. it’s not challenging, it’s not rude, it’s not judgmental. .. it’s fully accepting and acknowledging something/someone …face value. Unquestioning. No thought. You say you are the greatest horseman ever to exist, I treat you thus and introduce you thus.

            • madame duran

              Well if “granting beingness” means full acceptance of a person at face value (or some such nice sentiment), explain why Scientology often tears people down (via Tone Scale, liability conditions, labelling people as “degraded beings”)? Why are so many Scientologists plagued by fear, insecurity and suspicion? On the one hand, Hubbard said that “Man is basically good” but then on the other hand, his paranoia fuels the need for snitching Knowledge Reports to keep tabs on “potential enemies/criminals”. So please excuse my wariness of any Hubbard definitions as they can contradicted or twisted at will.

            • Vancouverite

              oh good heavens, I wouldn’t ever try to justify any aspect of the hogswallop or explain how it all jives with itself. It’s bullpoop of the first water. it’s full on matrix-full-delusion-other-worldly-poison-zombification. I’m trying not keep a damn iota of it. Just trying to learn to speak and find out what is real in the world!

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Well, there is one thing you don’t need to be, and that is lonely. There are more ex-Scientologists today vocal online about their experiences than there are active Scientologists hiding and running from “entheta.” And as you may have read on this site, many ex’s are even getting together for social purposes. I agree with you about some of the phrases or words/concepts being hard to replace. I’m rather fond of havingness myself. Only thing I’ve heard to replace it, which is a cheap and inferior substitute, is of all things “retail therapy.” And of course that’s not really what havingness means, but you get the idea. Postulate, if you’re using it as a noun rather than a verb, seems a little easier to find a substitute for–e.g. a goal, dream, wish, etc. But those words are flat and trite and don’t have the same zing to them, do they? My “2D” and I will sometimes resort to sci-speak for certain things because there is simply no equivalent at times. Then we bust up laughing.

      • Vancouverite

        🙂 I never liked the term, “2d”. it was sooo cold and dispassionate. Jesus, but it’s good to be able to just huck this shyte out. I may use Great Big Wonderfulness instead of havingness. It’s funny, I don’t want substitutes for a hubbard concept. To substitute it is to covertly give credence to the hubbard concept and to simultaneously try to fool myself I am not doing this. I want to find the real world concept, or my OWN real world concept of how I view something, and to name it in such terms. I KNOW that hubbard was a thief and an appropriator. I know it’s a great big world and he was a cockroach. I want no thiefcockroach terminology. 🙂

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Happy for you Vancouverite! As for Source, I view him more like a tick–tiny and insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but able to inconspicuously attach himself to you, bite, and then suck your time, money and peace of mind.

          • Vancouverite

            my body, my mind, and if there is a soul, my soul… were taken over and controlled for the bulk of my life. Every aspect of life has been colored, formed, decided upon, channeled.

            Once upon a time I was born and I was inquisitive and wondering and exploring…then I found scn and fell through the tunnel down the hole..and stayed. I became one with the machine. I was lost and gone and no longer me. I do feel like I just woke up. I do feel like I just returned to earth. I do feel like these last 38 years have just disappeared, and I am again just back to raw empty young me. I am no longer inquisitive, wondering, or exploring. I am content to learn to shed the vestiges and learn to just breathe. I need nothing more than to just breathe. I have no answers and want none. I just want peace.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Separated from the tremendous burden of anxiety, turmoil and pretense that comes with being in Scientology, I’m sure it will be so much easier to find that peace you seek and enjoy and rediscover life. I wish you great happiness on that journey.

    • Just want to thank you for being brave and to welcome you.
      And for being truly open-minded. Not the way Hubbard redefined it.
      Again, welcome and best wishes to you and yours.

      • Vancouverite

        thank you. and thanks for reminding me of yet something else to reclaim!! Open Minded! Yay! It’s no longer a bad thing! huzzah!

    • madame duran

      I miss the concepts of “postulates” and “havingness”. I need to replace these with real world truth or ideas. I want to embrace nothing of hubbard. I’m working on the above two.

      The following advice comes from my experience as a “never in”. I hope you’ll find it helpful anyways.

      Lesson One: Postulates
      In Scientology, postulates are thoughts that are supposed to re-create or alter reality. So, for example, a postulate will change the outcome of a baseball championship game so that your favourite team will win. The skill level or efforts of all the players of either side would have no bearing at all. Postulates are wishful/magical thinking.
      In real life, if someone wants something, they have to strive for it. It takes planning, goal-setting, focus and hard work (with a bit of luck/coincidence/random opportunity thrown in). There is a mental technique called “visualization” which enables one to imagine the ideal outcome or realized achievement that is being sought (e.g. winning the World Series in baseball). Visualization doesn’t make that reality happen on its own; it just helps someone to remain motivated or focused on the journey to achievement.
      In summary:
      postulates = magical thinking
      visualization = focused imagination that helps to motivate a person to achieve a planned goal
      Lesson Two: “Havingness”
      This will be a short lesson.
      VERB + “-ness” = HUBBARDISM. e.g. “doing-ness”, “is-ness”, “laughing-ness”
      Advice: Trash it. It’s cumbersome.
      ADJECTIVE + “-ness” = sensible, REAL English. e.g. kindness, thoughtfulness, openness.
      Advice: Keep and use it. Also note there’s no need for a hyphen with the proper words.
      But don’t take my word for it. Test my explanation through experimentation. Listen to how non-Scientologists speak. Look up examples in the regular, non-Scientologist dictionary (hint: you won’t find “havingness”).

      • Vancouverite

        thankyouthankyouthankyouthanyouthankyoul

      • Your gooood! 🙂

    • Flying High

      Thank you for being here and no need to be afraid and decompression will go quick as you continue to strip away the real ‘false data’ simply by continuing here and over at Mike’s blog. I was in a long time as well, started posting here like 10 weeks ago and said screw it let’s go to HowdyCon in Cleveland and now am fully healed. Hope to see you (and your spouse) with us on our next meet up in Denver on June 22, 2017.

      • Vancouverite

        bwahaha….I am envvvvvious. I read about howdy-com and sooo would have liked to attend. My spouse is devout..this is all UTR. bleagh. someday….sommmmmmmmmmmedayyyy.

        • TexasBroad

          What an amazing first post – welcome Vancouverite! I’m so glad you are here.

    • JaxNGold

      Welcome! You’re very brave for getting out/UTR. It makes me smile every time someone posts about finally accepting the nonsense and mind-control of $cientology. I wish you nothing but healing and happiness.

    • Ella Raitch

      What a ride Vancouver! Welcome, wilkommen, bienvenue!!!! On these suppressive enthetanets you will find 3 very thing you need to shake off these concepts and meet wonderful, compassionate and clever people who.will assure you that it can happen to anyone. Assume you have discovered ESMB as well? That would be a good place to get suggestions on real-world substitutes for ideas like havingness.

    • ExCult.Jan

      Well said, Vancouverite.
      Thanks for your raw openness.
      It gets easier with time. And with sharing.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thank you for your insights. I have never been in, but had lunch the other day with a friend who is under the radar but almost ready to announce, who reiterated how important it was to him to stop using the language. The language defined how he thought, so he needed to break away from the language in order to break away form the thinking.

      • Vancouverite

        yes. this is exactly right. I quit scn mentally, and immediately started to search out how to speak and to drop all of the language so that I could begin to control my own thoughts and form my own original opinions. I’m glad to know that person is there, also with me in this endeavor. p.s. it’s really quite exciting and brand new to look at the world. It’s SO DIFFERENT!)

    • Qbird

      Well you have given me great hope, Vancouverite. I am impressed. I wonder what woke you up. Not asking, just wondering. Doesn’t really matter exactly how btw, it just tickles me that it has happened. You’re here. You’re alive & singing out. Talking to other folks. Splendid!
      This whole thread you started was super cool to read. Thank you.

    • aquaclara

      You’re experiencing some huge changes right now, and I wish you all the best as you go through this. There are many here who have also left, and can understand what you’re going through. Please reach out for help whenever you need it. Jon Atack has written and posted many articles here (like today’s) that you might enjoy reading, and these are all found at links from the Underground Bunker’s home page.

      Congratulations on finding your freedom. I hope you have many days that are indeed wonderful- you deserve it!

      • Vancouverite

        thank you. <3

    • richelieu jr

      You are on the right track, @disqus_N4rKSvZ6W7:disqus , and ability to have and even express in writing these very questions proves that you are FREE, in the most essential sense already…

      As for the strands of the tentacles of LRH’s twisted mind-games, they will be there for a very long time, but you know them now, so while they require vigilance, they no longer stop you from thinking. As you accumulate more and more IRL experience, these will fall away. The language is a ‘tell’, but if you let people know they should call you on it and point it out, you’ll be speaking English again in no time!

      Welcome to the real world. It can really suck,,and be so sweet you’ll never want it to end, sometimes in the same afternoon. It is good and bad and fin and boring and all we know we have.

      I am glad you are here, Van. I really am.

      • Vancouverite

        thank you for all of this.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Is this a church commending a member for a selfless good deed or uplifting someone in need? Nope. It is for a photo op. The CO$ is all about the PR folks and this “charity” is all about selling those books.
    (refresh)

  • Supper Powers

    What’s with rumor that Tony is going to tell us something?

    • Its true.

      • Supper Powers

        I’ll believe it when I see it!

        • That’s always the right choice.

  • Just arrived.
    Shall we panic, or speculate wildly?
    Here’s mine:
    Miscavige hospitalized.
    Can’t get more unfounded or wild than that.

    • Shelly Miscavige filed a missing person report on her husband?

    • Supper Powers

      “Mass Exodus from Int Base, Dozens of Sea Orgs Members Running on Foot Towards Hemet”.

    • Rasha

      wait – we have to choose between panic and wild speculation? Boy, this place is really hitting hard times…. (shakes head, goes back to re-stringing decking coil…)

      • Sure re-stringing decking coil, whatever the hell that is, is easier and more fun.
        Enjoy.

        • Rasha

          Meh – it had to be done anyway. Still, enjoying the image you’ve presented – so vivid in just two words…..

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Pete bought a new shiny suit. There will be photos.

    • MarcabExpat

      The Guinness Brewery is going to put Tony’s photo on their Celebrity Wall? …I got nuthin.’

    • The Dublin mission has gone bust? (pleasepleasepleaseplease…)

      • Supper Powers

        One too many Smithwicks and we’re left hangin’.

    • beauty for ashes

      Something to do with Pete Griffiths?

    • I’m going with Shelly has shown up at St. Hill and is PISSED ….

    • Robert Eckert

      Marty is ruing the day.

    • Missionary Kid

      How about “Miscavige is hospitalized in a locked psychiatric facitlity for the criminally insane.”?

  • Rasha

    Okay, Disqus. For some reason, when I refresh with “Sort by Newest”, everything is in that order, except for the top comment, which is Draco’s G’night post (2 hours ago). Anyone else get that, or should I toss my cookies?

    • clear you URL in your browser or click on this link tonyortega.org

      • Rasha

        Most odd. That (so far) cleared it up. Even Shift-F5 didn’t work, but…. but……

        (hands up, close-eyed grin…. pause….. breath…..) Okay. Cool. Works now! Rasha happy.

        • it’s when you get something like this “/#comment-2774762874” in your URL it keeps that comment on top?!?

          • Rasha

            Ah! Too late. Already fixed. Plus, Rasha is in no condition to analyze URLs. Kim and Supper have left their drinks unattended upthread, and, well, they ain’t gonna tend to themselves, if ya know what I mean…..

            …but I’ll look nexsht ti….timme…..

            • MM

              “Ah! Too late. Already fixed.”

              Just look at it this way: If you really, really like a particular comment, just click on its timestamp, and it will become sticky (pinned at the top) 😀

            • Rasha

              Coolness! Thanks, MM! ^_^

  • Kim O’Brien

    disqus is sucking balls today

    • Rasha

      Thank you, Kim! That is EXACTLY what I was thinking. ^_^

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Not just today. It’s been making me rage-y for weeks.

      • Yeah, but today is the day Kim found her disqus.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          That grate behind her bookcase accumulates a lot of things.

    • on Hollywood Boulevard?

    • Vaquera

      I’ve been using a tablet this summer and no problems with upvotes.

    • Jimmy3

      I knew I came to the right place

  • Kim O’Brien

    Johnny Tank McNaked Pants must be going nuts with disqus …he up votes everything …;)

    • Supper Powers

      He can upvote me anytime.

      I’ll see myself out. Sorry.

      • Kim O’Brien

        i’ll go with you …he is pretty yummy in that quiet , kinda dark , german sort of way 😉

        • PerpetualOutflow

          You two are hysterical.

          • Rasha

            They left their drinks, too. ( Muahahahaha…..)

        • Vaquera

          In a Viking sort of way.

      • This dude got upvoted for his comment F5

        • Rasha

          …did he leave his drink unattended? Just ashickin’….

          • F5

            • Much like Miscavige’s mind?

            • Rasha

              (swayingly belligerent) I’m FIN!! Fine-fine! I’m FINE!…. You just o…oh…. wha- oh, yesh… Open those commennnn…nts. Nts. Open ’em.

              I’m… fin.

            • You will become sticky (and pinned at the top) as MM explained to you 🙂

            • Rasha

              …FffffffIN!!! (falls over)

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      I’ll upvote that.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        You and your ass will go down in Bunker history.

        • Kestrel

          Your phrasing made me laugh.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          *sniff* That’s all I ever wanted.

          • gtsix

            Wait… did you just smell your own ass?

            Impressive flexibility. . If a bit strange. Whatever floats your moat.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        You do realize you’ve created a monster, right?

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          I have only just begun.

          • Vaquera

            Promise?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              If Tony doesn’t throw me out, there will be more.

              All in good taste, of course 😉

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Welcome to Johnny’s Air BNB, House of Wayward Bunker Women.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Planning a trip to Norway, Kim?

      • Kim O’Brien

        vaquera has dibbs LOL …i’m dead inside

    • aegerprimo

      Johnny Tank is from Norway…. and has a cartoon illustrated book with a penguin main character ?
      http://tonyortega.org/2015/10/14/my-scientology-movie-louis-therouxs-doc-premieres-tonight-at-the-london-film-festival/

      • daisy

        ooo

    • Liberated

      Don’t you dare insult his pants.

  • Mandevilla, reaching for the hummingbirds. (Those vines move all over during the day.)
    ..

    • Rasha

      Very <3

    • Illinoisian

      What kind of spiky guard thingie do you have on the support for the feeder?

      • Rasha

        Looks like a brilliant use of a rose stem!

    • Rasha

      I have that same shepherd’s hook… put it right though the underground sprinkler pipe a few years ago….

    • Baby

      Gorgeous.. OMG I miss my Mandevilla in Ohio.. Beautiful yard RM..Wow..

    • Qbird

      sweet & “hey” ~

      • Missionary Kid

        That’s a Hubbard hummingbird.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    A CO$ ad on the front page of the Atlanta newspaper? I wonder if anyone is cancelling their subscription due to this… UGH!
    (refresh)

    • What’re the odds they’ve had no ‘fresh meat’ at all through the doors since the Grand Opening?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Well, if all of the Atlanta staff are as charming as this guy, anyone who enters probably exits running, in about a minute…

        • Blecch.

        • madame duran

          Anyone who includes an apostrophe in writing the plural of nouns (e.g. “daughter’s” instead of daughters) has already lost my interest. I wouldn’t hire you. I wouldn’t date you. I would ignore you completely because I can’t be bothered to deal with someone so persistently ANNOYING. Plus, this staff member is full of rudeness (did you catch that use of “-ness”, Vancouverite?). Chile, I have no time for you.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            C’mon Madame, “don’t be crying like a little btich” 😉

        • I’m sure his daughters are equally proud of their father’s grasp of grammar, punctuation and word choice.

    • I have a terrible habit of quickly misreading things. Looking at the headline in connection with the add I could swear it read “A Stunned Nation of Morons” …….

    • Compared with the real, complex, tragic events that are reported upon, that Scientology ad is so astonishingly bland and content-free.

      It says nothing at all about what it is selling because that would drive people away. The fact that Scientologists seem to think that they are offering a solution to the current turmoil and paying for such a thing shows just how detached from reality they are.

  • On topic post warning. For a change.

    Another great post and also a question from Jon and Tony.

    With that said, I felt earlier today – it sickens me too much to think about it and that God awful image of cannibals Scientology Mexico using for a retarded pile of bull crap Hubbard pulled out of his ass known as genetic entity is not helping. So I didn’t feel like contributing at all, just clicked the heart.

    I read most if not all topic related replies and really appreciated them and people who typed them. Thank You.
    To add my two cents and finally to get to my point, most, if not all Scientology thought-stopping cliches tend to stick in one’s mind simply because they are truisms or closely positioned to obvious while meshed in scientology’s agenda.
    The common concepts are given different terms, slightly rephrased and presented as discoveries. That makes it harder to approach it critically. In another words, It’s a psychological trap of sorts, also known as a MINDFUCK.

    To make things worse, there are contradictions within, emotional manipulation, on and on.

    Scientology is a great Confusion Tech.

    No more.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      If you are not confused, it’s not scientology.

    • Scream Nevermore

      That picture of the cannibals just illustrated that Flubtard’s ignorance and bigotry still permeates the cult he created, no matter how they might try to downplay it. Their ‘Source’ is polluted, and they will never be clean, as it is not allowed to deviate from his words.

    • DexterSka

      Yeah, very true. I’m glad to be out.

  • Thank you so much for the birthday wishes everyone! I meticulously perused the comments, even though Disqus is incredibly slow on Chrome for Windows 10 (and I can’t figure out why), so hopefully I responded to everyone, and for every response I missed Johnny Tank has promised me a spanking.

    I am 30 years old today. I spent last night with some close friends, and again tonight with another group of close friends, all of whom have become my family over the years. There are many things I wished for birthday after birthday, but one of them was to find somewhere I feel like I belong. I must admit that between all of the families I have become a part of, the Bunker included, I have had that wish returned many times over.

    Today marks the beginning of the first decade of my life that I am completely free of the influence of Scientology. I have only just begun to discover my true self in the last couple of years and boy am I a lot different person than the one Scientology and my parents told me I was.

    Tony and Jon may not have intentionally arranged it, but this article blends with my birthday very nicely. I agree with you Jon, “make it go right” is by far the most horrific catch phrase in my experience. It was used to insinuate that Sea Org members should be able to accomplish the impossible no matter what stood in their way or how ridiculous the request was.

    “Whats true is what’s true for you.” Is the worst and seems to me to be the one people like to hold onto the longest. Which makes sense considering that it appeals to a person’s ego very effectively. All Scientologists and former Scientologists should know that what is true is the truth, irrespective of you. You are not so important or powerful that you can change the truth to fit your internal narrative.

    • MarcabExpat

      BRAVO DEREK. You were a slave and you made your own freedom. Long may you wave!!!

      http://bestanimations.com/Holidays/Fireworks/fireworks/fireworks-animated-gif-23.gif

    • Rasha

      Oh, gosh! Very Birthday, Derek! Happy free, and such caek!!!!! <3 ^_^ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      (edited…. just… edited. It’s laet.)

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Suck caek? Whoa, Rasha! 😉 Such drunk!

        • Rasha

          corrected!!!

          …very derp.

        • Robert Eckert

          The politer phrase is to “inhale” cake.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Since when do we worry about polite around here, Robert?

          • beauty for ashes

            I have a slight suspicion you and I might be the only sober ones here tonight Robert.

    • Happy One, Derek!

    • beauty for ashes

      PS. Favorite way to cut the cake, is with a long knife and a karate chop! Birthday tradition! It’s sooo satisfying! 🙂 🙂 🙂 F5 for prezzies

      • That cake looks delicious!!

        • beauty for ashes

          I couldn’t resist! Such a great google image find!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Happy belated, Derek.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      You are awesome Derek. Tho it’s mostly virtual, hope you know how loved and appreciated you are throughout the world. Great things ahead for you!

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      A promise is a promise, I guess *sighs*

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Johnny Spank, reporting for duty, sir!

    • K2P2(KnitNut)

      One more Happy Birthday, Derek – Hugs and Happiness to you!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      This is the bestest comment ever, Derek! I am so happy for you, and honored to know you (if only on the fringes of the Internet).

    • Baby

      You got some powerful writing skills. Where in the hell did you develop that D. ( Don’t answer just enjoy your B day )

    • Snippy_X

      Amen. Happy Birthday Derek and many, many more.

    • TexasBroad

      Happy Birthday Derek – You will love your thirties!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      As for your 30s, I say: make it go… awesome!

    • Draco

      This ^^^^^makes me happy 🙂

    • Scream Nevermore

      Derek, I have no doubt that this decade of your life is going to reveal you to be even more totally awesome than we already know you are. They say that what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger – I like to think that in your case, you are the reforged Shards of Narsil. You are now Andúril, the Flame of the West, or, in the here and now, Miscavige’s Bane. Slay him.

    • BronxLaurie10

      Happy belated birthday. It’s so great to hear that you are out and happy now. Enjoy! 30 is a great age to be. (I’d love to go back to 30. LOL) Enjoy!

  • PerpetualOutflow

    Tony, I’m playin me bodhran jes fer yu in hopes that yer postin soon.

    • Rasha

      I am playing the uilleann pipes I have always wish I had and knew how to play. For reel.

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Here you go – the Emperor of the Uilleann Pipes,
        Playing a lament for his father who died suddenly:
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qHtAmP9_oIo

        • Rasha

          Thank, you, Pan.

          And now I do raise a glass, for my own.

        • MadisonAgain

          This is partly why some of us with Irish ancestry are prone to melancholy: uilleann pipes.

      • Robert Eckert

        A cartoon one year in March:
        Grandma: “It’s St. Patrick’s Day! Let’s play some pipes music and eat corned beef and cabbage.”
        Kid: “How about we listen to U2 and eat Lucky Charms?”

        • Rasha

          ‘Tis the thought…..

        • PerpetualOutflow

          I can so hear my kids saying that.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Pardon the Guinness stains on me sheepskin ther.
      ETA: Beer helps to relax the skin or” loosen the head” as they say.

      • beauty for ashes

        Guinness, its what’s fer breakfast!

      • Baby

        Beautiful bodhran.. wow..( yes I knew it was a drum.. but didn’t know it had that lovely name..)

  • Jimmy3

    Spoiler from Ireland: Someone stole Davey the Leprachaun’s gold.

    • Rasha

      His lookey chahrms!!!!

      • He has no charms* … lookey, lucky or otherwise.

        *Charms can be construed as a pleasing set of interpersonal behaviors and/or testicles. I’m not fussy which you choose to assume someone absconded with.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I’m catching up on Season 1 of Preacher, so I heard your comment in Joe Gilgun’s voice.

      • Scream Nevermore

        After years of hearing American folk saying that, I finally found out about the breakfast cereal – I actually thought you were all crazy, or something!

  • Vaquera

    Just when you thought it was safe to go to sleep….CCHR. f5

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    A close encounter of the CO$ kind… welcome to Pasadena!

    …”Are you insane?” He said with the snarl of a rabid animal”…
    …”I said “Your calling security because I’m talking to you on a public sidewalk?”…
    (refresh)

  • Ortega, release the Kraken!

    • Robert Eckert

      He’s surely in bed, it’s 3 in the morning there and he’s drunk.

      • “Not dhrunk, yer Honour, but having dhrink taken”.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          You’re up late, sailor.

          • In bed already 🙂 (Who knew there were so many Somerville & Ross fans at the Bunker?)

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              On the couch listening to the latest Robert Reed album, Sanctuary II. Brilliant stuff if you like Oldfield. Sipping sangria and have some dark chocolate. Jealous yet?

            • Not if I value my digestion 😉

            • jazzlover

              What a coinkydink! We were discussing Ann B. Davis earlier today.

      • He can drunk post from bed.

        • Supper Powers

          I do that every night.

      • Since when did being drunk at 3:00 am = being in bed?

        In my prime I had another solid 4-5 hours to do.

        Then again … that’s why I’m no longer in my prime.

        • Baby

          In my prime I was in bed at 3:00am, but I wasn’t sleepin ! **wink wink**

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            “Studying”?

            • Baby

              TEACHIN

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        No excuse. We all still post from bed drunk at 3 in the morning.

    • Was going to ask if I’d missed anything.

      Apparently not.

      Time for a cartoon to distract the restless natives.

      How does Scientology manage to track down people after 25-years?

      They employ Hoover-tech and see what they find in the couch-cushions.

      Lesson to be learned: escape don’t hide.

      • beauty for ashes

        We should have a Gary Larson night in the bunker! 2nd one I’ve seen today!!

        • Replace “Anthropologists” with “Scientology Registrars”

      • Escape, don’t hide. Indeed.

  • Suspect: – “Investigators believe both victims were kidnapped and held captive for approximately three months at an unknown location most likely between South Lake Tahoe and Placerville.

    Putt was closely associated with several leading members of the Church of Scientology at the time of her death, and investigators ask anyone associated with the church in the South Lake Tahoe area in the late 1970s and early 1980s to contact chief investigator Robert Cosley”
    http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/news/22819139-113/information-sought-in-1982-south-lake-tahoe-killings

  • Baby

    I took a nap and just woke up.. did I miss anything?

    • beauty for ashes

      Johnny Tank is getting spanked 😉

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        You drunk too? Derek getting spanked BY Johnny Spank.

        • gtsix

          Why not both?

          Money to be made if they video that shite.

        • beauty for ashes

          Sorry didn’t read the fine print. Everyone was talking about Johnny’s butt, it’s all so confusing. And also heroin, soo there’s that. (ETA~ heroin is not a joke, but I was joking)

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Whew, I was worried for a sec.

            • beauty for ashes

              You know its a joke with my mom and me, I joke about hanging out with terrorists and doing heroin, because she always gives me the worst case scenario. Like I’m going to walmart for ginger ale at 11:00. And she is like, oh my Gawd, you’re gonna get kidnapped and sold into sexwork in the phillipines. Like, really? So I combat it with humor and exaggeration. I just one up her.

            • Supper Powers

              Any time I do something my mother disapproves of, I remind her I’m not a heroin addict. It shuts her up.

            • beauty for ashes

              YAAAAAS!!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!

            • Missionary Kid

              You can also remind her that at least you’re not a $cientologist.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Hope you don’t end up on the people of walmart website…or in the desk calendar.

            • beauty for ashes

              Dude I’m near DAYTONA! I’m ALWAYS the best looking person there!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Chocolate and sangria here….

    • Baby

      Ok read the replies.. So business the same as usual ..good..

      • beauty for ashes

        Any dreams?

        • Baby

          I dreamed I was on Survivor and was the first one voted off the Island..

          ( Swear to God..) hahahahhaah

          • beauty for ashes

            HAAAAh! I love dream stories. When I was in art therapy she had me write down my dreams as soon as I woke up. man that little notepad was filled with some crazy scribblings! Hmmm, I hope I kept it !
            Were you happy to be kicked off and did you recognize any of the contestants?

            • Baby

              I was absolutely Thrilled to be kicked off… They carried me out..I was hanging by a rope from a helicopter..hahahahahaa ..

              Nope.. didn’t recognize one person.. ( IT WAS PROBABLY MARTY’S CREW WHO KICKED ME OFF..) bawwwwwhahahhahaa

            • beauty for ashes

              Hanging by a rope by a helicopter sound like an awesome dream! Probably terrifying in real life though!

            • Baby

              It was really cool.. I love my Paxil dreams…hahahha

    • Tony took a nap and woke up in Ireland.

    • Snippy_X

      Same here. anything?

    • Liberated

      I am completely innocent, I have done nothing wrong, swear to god!

    • gtsix

      I have run out of beer.

      But no worries, I just used phonetech to order more. Close.call!

  • madame duran

    OK, I’ll take a stab at the speculation game. Is there a news update regarding that Kazakh girl (Rigina)?

    • gtsix

      Speculation must be j&d only. It’s in the bylaws.

      • Ok … confirmation has been received that Karin Pouw has blown Int Base harder than a sex worker doing a John on Hollywood Boulevard …

        • gtsix

          Oh my gaaaawd, you heard that too? I heard she’s shacking up in dc with blinkaling!

        • beauty for ashes

          She’s screaming, “I never said those things I never said THOOOSE THINGS!!!!! He made me do it and then he just took my name!!!!!”

          • So let’s keep the naughty bits up (if you pardon the phrase) …

            Photos of Ken & Bert canoodling in a Tenderloin leather bar have surfaced on their joint Grindr account …..

        • Harpoona Frittata

          Yay!…See, my postulates DO work 😉 K, who’s next?

          • Ummmmm … I’ve already speculated about Shelly, Karen, Bert & Ken … Dave is too easy …

            I know …

            Upon review of her comments in re: to tailing Ron Miscavige, the State Bar of California has determined that it will move forward with an ethics inquiry into Monique Yingling for conduct unbecoming a lawyer …

            • Harpoona Frittata

              More excellent news! See, when you let your clients make you the designated fall girl and cutout in such scams, then it’s eventually going to end badly for you!

              Smart criminal lawyers (that is, “criminal” in the Breaking Bad sense of the word) never ever allow themselves to front for their criminal clients in any venue except in court…and only then as a very last resort.

          • beauty for ashes

            Harpoona, do you mind explaining your name? If you can, I have FOMO. I know its supposed to be funny.

            • gtsix

              Harpooning an egg and potato dish isn’t funny enough? (yes yes, frittatas can be many things, I went with what I like)

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Sure, it’s just a silly riff on the Lion King song, Hakuna Matata (trans. from the Swahili: No worries).

              I was trying to come up with something suitably Scilonish when I signed up but nothing was popping into my head that I liked.

    • No. That’s on Tuesday, I think.

  • Observer

    How about when your cherch gets travel info on high-profile SPs from its airline moles for purposes of harassment, hmmmm?

    F5

    • JaxNGold

      But I bet if she knew that the CO$ illegally gets flight information to track people down, harass and intimidate them, and threaten them into coming back to the cult, she’d turn a blind eye. Hypocrisy at its best.

      • Observer

        I think she’d try to justify it outright.

        • JaxNGold

          That just kills me. So it’s not okay for people to find out her flight schedule, but it’s perfectly okay for the cult to illegally harass people via airlines. Unbelievable. Can’t stand that bitch.

          • 0tessa

            Double think – Scientology’s speciality.

    • Really trips me out when Scientology calls airline employees to be informed of critic and ex locations. SUPER Efing CREEPY.. And ILLEGAL

      • TheMirrorThetan

        LOL. You should twatter that back to her.

    • Oh that’s totally acceptable because that’s bad things happening to people who aren’t her.

      And SPs aren’t really people … so it’s still A-OK.

    • Haha wow.. She really is a clueless Scientology celebutard.

    • Supper Powers

      Hmm…airport employees calling their friends with a “celebrity siting” is not illegal. It’s not like her gynecologist posted his findings on Twitter after she had a check up.

      • beauty for ashes

        THANK GOD!

      • Dave Reams

        Agreed! Krustie’s enlarged prostate is nobody’s business

      • Justmeteehee

        Ewwwwwwwww f5

      • Liberated

        Thanks, I just ate.

    • Dave Reams

      One day an airport employee will call security to remove a drunk and disheveled Krusty Alley from the white zone

      • Liberated

        Stop teasing me.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      AWW. Look at Krusty pretending she is still relevant and anyone other than COS gives a shit about her.
      Who are you trying to kid? You ring them yourself. Anything for attention.

  • beauty for ashes

    Not to be sad but y’all know it’s been a year since Cathriona White’s death?

    • Observer

      Wow, already? I hope her family has found some peace, and that her Scilon “friends” have found none.

      • beauty for ashes

        I saw an update on Youtube, and was going to post it, but it was so depressing and contained parts of her suicide note, which I feel is a violation and shouldn’t even be legal. But yes her family has more answers, and I hope that gives them even a small amount of healing.

        • It’s also a bit odd in that she wrote a few notes for various people, as I recall, but there’s absolutely no mention of Scientology in the stuff leaked?

          No way. Either the leak isn’t complete or isn’t accurate.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Not till the fall, actually. But always worth remembering.

      • beauty for ashes

        What, youtube was wrong? 🙂 I should have double checked that, I guess I thought since they had other documents they would get the date right.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Yeah, not till late September. Please, let’s not rush it. That anniversary will be hard around here. But I did see the recent articles describing the contents of her suicide note(s). Some of that info smells fishy to me. I do hope her family has found some peace. Jim, too. Scilon BFF Jenny Burpee? Whatever. (Although, reading her social media lately…I don’t know. I feel like the hammer might’ve come down on her at some point. Unfortunately, it only resulted in further indoctrination.)

          • beauty for ashes

            **silently zips mouth shut***

            • gtsix

              Hmmmm… pics please

              (I’ll show myself out. )

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I was just reading the Tampa Bay Times editorial against the CO$ buying that aquarium property they want. I remembered that the article, the other day said that “Miscavige also mingled with city officials at the July 4 celebration in Coachman Park, the first time the leader has visited the city’s annual event.” Did no one snap a photo of this? The place must have been crawling with COB worshiping clams, did none of them notice him? Was he in disguise? I’m trying to picture the scene but I’m baffled. Any ideas on how this might have went down?

    • beauty for ashes

      you just couldn’t see him in the middle…. ****giggles****

      • Juicer77

        XD

  • I want to be a better man, I am doing the best I can..

    The Path and ..

    BELLA FIGURA – Better Man
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpnAt0sWiSE

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      One of my favorite lyrics by one of my favorite songwriters –whom I will see play next month–goes like this: “I would change for you but, babe, that doesn’t mean I’m gonna be a better man.”

      • Jimmy3

        Bieber?

        • gtsix

          Get him luminous!

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Oh, I play a long game…

            • gtsix

              Good on you. Me, I’m more a General Sherman type.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          How did you guess?

          • Jimmy3

            Guess? I know the Biebs by heart

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Hmm…And here I always pictured you as Team Zayn…

            • daisy

              When my mom has a seizure and gets confused after, she often thinks the Dr.*s are Justin Beiber. Cracks me up.

            • Jimmy3

              That is equal parts sad and hilarious

            • daisy

              She always clears up and i get to tease her so it is not sad

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I would like your mother to adopt me, please.

            • Jimmy3

              When I had a seizure, I came to in another room already on my feet, and I had absolutely no idea anything had happened at all. I was just really thirsty with a terrible headache. So when I finally went back into the other room to find my desk knocked over, my laptop trashed, coffee and cigarettes butts everywhere, and a big hole in the drywall, I seriously thought my dog had done it. I didn’t remember until much later when I turned on the podcast I was listening to as it happened.

            • daisy

              I am not sure if you are joking , but if not I agree they are trippy. I have had about 3. I did not believe i had them either until I realized I had chomped down on my tongue all 3 times. They are scary to look at yet but not so scary to have them. I hope you don’t have any more. They can be a little hard on the brain.

            • Jimmy3

              Not a joke. It was scary for me.

            • daisy

              Oh I am sorry. I am going to have to insist you don’t have any more. Did you go to Dr or hospital after ?

            • Jimmy3

              No. I gave my dog a biscuit for falsely accusing him.

            • daisy

              Oh good you did the right thing.

            • Juicer77

              Daisy, I’ve said it before. Your mom is a treasure. xoxo

          • beauty for ashes

            The next lines are…. Naaah na na naah …Naaaah na na naah… OOh baby baby bay

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              So, now I’m just singing Salt ‘n Pepa’s Push It.

        • Liberated

          Oh shit, I’m starting to respect you again.

  • Jimmy3

    Is it too early to throw a tantrum?

    • Supper Powers

      No, but it is too late.

    • Baby

      I don’t have a set time.. I just let it out when needed f5

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      And Tony is just DRINKING at the pubs in Dublin while we wait with bated breath?

      • Supper Powers

        Well, we are in a cult after all.

        • JaxNGold

          According to Marty, we are. Apparently he doesn’t know the real definition of a cult.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Just call it Fido’s “tech” and claim that it will raise your IQ. Out of habit some deluded clam will probably race out of the building and hand you over their credit card. And give this SP dog an extra milkbone when you get home!
    (refresh)

    • madame duran

      Think of it as a warm home for an disembodied thetan.

    • JaxNGold

      Hilarious!

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Derek,
    Hope you have a very Happy Birthday.
    I don’t know who your favourite movie star is*** but if I could I would send him express to your doorstep for your present, wearing nothing but a smile and a few ecclesiastical red bows.

    ***I’m guessing it isn’t Tom Cruise though. 🙂

    • Jimmy3

      I can’t go this weekend

      • TheMirrorThetan

        But I have a whole ten bucks with your name on it and it’s for a good cause.

    • Baby

      Uh I’m guessing it isn’t Kim Kardashian either..

      • Liberated

        Try to imagine this, Davey snags him a Kardashian, (does it really matter which one? Of course not).
        So he talks her into attending the super, duper grand opening of an “Ideal Org” “What’s an Org?” Mr. Dave? Is it like an ideal orgasm? I’ll ask Kanye. He knows everything, he tells me everything every day.
        Can I cut the giant ribbon bow, with the giant scissors? Well, when can I?
        When am I suppose to give you the money on the giant check ? Can I bring my sisters?
        Can I bring my sorta dad, Bruce, I mean Caitlyn?
        How much money should I bring?
        Oh the possibilities.

  • beauty for ashes

    I guess we’ll just get a sheepish apology in the morning, eh? And a request for a sausage biscuit. 🙂

  • Supper Powers

    Has anyone seen Frodis lately?

    • daisy

      No I have been wondering too.

    • gtsix

      Dammit… bunker tracking devices are malfunctioning. Someone stop the payments to those CICS PI’s.

    • Scream Nevermore

      Hasn’t been on Twitter for a couple of weeks. Will leave her a msge.

  • Qbird

    holy smokes! When I left for work there were a few over 600 comments… now that has more than doubled.
    wth… ya’ll talk a lot! 🙂

    • Missionary Kid

      There’s several hundred wishing Derek Happy Birthday. I hope he had a chance to celebrate after answering all of those posts.

      • Draco

        Seems he celebrated before all those posts 😀

  • madame duran

    Will Tony be posting something at 7 am Dublin, Ireland time?

    • gtsix

      I hope he allows Pete to post instead.

      Silvery beatific post.

      And lulz galore.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    This ‘great humanitarian’, this ‘great science-fiction’, this ‘model of honesty’, this ‘genius’, this ‘exemplary familyman’, who ‘never had a second wife’.
    Well, I am not that dumb anymore.
    His first and second wifes found out the gruesome truth about him the hard way.

    Here’s a ‘dumb blonde’ who is nobody’s fool:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj13aZOnpY8

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      This is one of my most favorite Dolly Parton songs! The backup vocals are spot on and delicious. It’s a great classic country album.

  • Observer

    OT. Made me laugh.
    F5

    • Juicer77

      ROFL.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I think that I’ve been reading the Bunker too long. Does this guy look like L.Ron you-know-who or is it just me? :O (refresh)

    • JaxNGold

      Laughter! Definitely a resemblance…EW

    • jazzlover

      LOL. It always gives me great confidence when even expert marine biologists can’t identify things that are lurking in beach water.

    • daisy

      I am not sure, I think he looks more like Jim Mathers. ( the teeth anyway )

      • jazzlover

        You know, I think you’re onto something there.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        LOL. Yeah, the CO$ is just jam-packed with handsome men, isn’t it? I read the word “creepy” and my reactive mind automatically thinks of LRH now.

        • daisy

          …and yet another way our cult is superior to theirs. Our men are better looking.

    • Scream Nevermore

      I think it’s Diddy Dave without the makeup, weave, hairspray etc.

    • Juicer77

      LOL at this story. What unscientific nonsense. We must run away from anything scary!!! Ugh.
      Here is a picture of something mean and ugly. But very, very tasty. 😉 f5

    • richelieu jr

      More of an ankle-biter and thus COB-like, IMHO @178577457655y:disqus

  • Khalil

    Hello everybody,
    Hubbard also said : “Happiness and strength endure only in the absence of hate. To hate alone is the road to disaster. To love is the road to strength. To love in spite of all is the secret of greatness. And may very well be the greatest secret in this universe.”.

    • Supper Powers

      That’s dumb, dude.

      • Liberated

        Khalil, is a troll. I have blocked this nut please take my advice and do the same.

        • Supper Powers

          I know who he is. I’m perfectly ok not blocking people, but thanks.

        • Khalil

          I am not a troll. I want just to enrich the debate.

          • FredEX2

            Not finding anything much that you’ve had to say ‘enriching’ or enlightening Khalil.

          • DoveAlexa

            . Adularia are a low temperature form
            ov eithah microclien or orthoclase originalleh reported from teh low
            temperature hydrothermul depositz in teh Adula Alpz

            . ov Switzerland.[4] It waz firzt
            described by Ermenegildo Pini in 1781.[5] teh opticul effect ov
            adularescence in moonstoen are typicalleh due to adularia.

    • 0tessa

      This is universal. The message Islam and Christianity bring.

    • Scream Nevermore

      Bide within the Laws ye must,
      in perfect Love and perfect Truth.
      Live ye must and let to Live,
      fairly take and fairly give.
      Cast the Circle thrice about,
      to keep unwelcome Spirits out.
      To bind the spell well every time,
      let the spell be spake in Rhyme.
      Soft of eye and light of touch,
      speak ye little, listen much.
      ever mind the rule of three,
      What ye send out comes back to thee.
      This Lesson well, thou must learn,
      Ye only get what ye do earn.
      Deosil go by the Waxing Moon,
      Sing and Dance ye symbolic Rune.
      Widdershins go by the Waning Moon,
      chanting out ye joyful tune.
      When the Lady’s Moon is New,
      kiss thy hand to Her times two.
      When the Moon rides at Her peak,
      then thy heart’s desire seek.
      Heed the North Wind’s might gale,
      lock the door and trim the sail.
      When the Wind comes from the South,
      love will kiss thee on the mouth.
      When the Wind blows from the East,
      expect the new and set the feast.
      When the Wind blows from the West,
      departed souls will have no rest.
      Nine Woods beneath the Cauldron go,
      burn them fast and burn them slow.
      Elder be the Lady’s Tree,
      burn it not or cursed ye’ll be.
      When the Wheel begins to turn,
      soon the Beltain fires will burn.
      When the Wheel has turned to Yule,
      light the log the Horned One rules.
      Heed ye flower, bush and tree,
      by the Lady, Blessed be thee.
      Where the rippling waters flow,
      cast a stone and the truth ye’ll know.
      When ye are in dire need,
      hearken not to other’s greed.
      With a fool no season spend,
      nor be counted as his friends.
      Follow this with mind and heart,
      Merry meet and Merry part,
      bright the cheeks and warm the heart.
      When misfortune is enow,
      wear the star upon thy brow.
      True in love you must ever be,
      lest thy love be false to thee.
      These eight words the Creed fulfil:

      An Ye Harm None, Do What Ye Will.

    • JaxNGold

      Hubbard said a lot of things — none of which were sincere. His sole purpose in creating the cult of $cientology was to gain power, massive amounts of money, and mind-control over his followers. Period.

    • madame duran

      Doesn’t it concern you that “love” doesn’t appear on Hubbard’s Tone Scale at all? How can love be a core value if it’s not even represented?
      Do you find it troubling that as an organization that claims to be “happy and strong”, Scientology issues more SP declares, ethics conditions and disconnection orders than commendations? This behaviour would explain the high turnover rate of staff and the depleting membership numbers.

      • Khalil

        As I said I don’t agree with all what Hubbard said. I’am not defending the beliefs of scientology, I defend their right to believe what they believe.

        • madame duran

          You’re one of those “I’m not a Scientologist but…” people, right?
          For someone who claims not to be invested in defending Scientology beliefs or even believe in most of what Hubbard said, you’re pretty quick to quote him out of the blue. How does that Hubbard quote relate to our conversation or the alleged “debate” anyway? Frankly, I don’t see how criticizing a belief prevents anyone from practicing that belief (I can see it dissuading people from adopting that belief but that’s a matter of free choice). Why do you object to our criticism of Scientology?

          • Khalil

            Because abuses of scientology are negligible when compared to the abuses of psychiatry or any other authoritarian system(political or religious).

            • FredEX2

              Really? Negligible? Come tell that to my face…I’ve got a story to tell YOU, Khalil.

            • madame duran

              Because abuses of scientology are negligible when compared to the abuses of psychiatry or any other authoritarian system(political or religious).

              The destruction of family/marital ties through disconnection is negligible?
              The irreparable harm caused by quack treatments is negligible?
              Preying on the vulnerable through deception so as to reap as much benefit (money and control) as possible is considered negligible?
              The raping of one’s mind and soul is negligible?
              The abuses of the totalitarian cult known as Scientology is a long one so I don’t have time to iterate them all. Abuse is abuse and regardless of who’s committing it, it should be stopped. This comparison game you’re playing doesn’t make your case/support for Scientology any better. Scientology abuses people and it should be held accountable for it.

            • Khalil
        • Scream Nevermore

          Our concerns are the abuses they perpetrate in the name of those beliefs.

          • Khalil

            And the abuses of psychiatry does not bother you ?

            • Scream Nevermore

              What some call ‘abuse’ are in fact treatments. Any actual abuses can and should be reported to the police. For example – a friend of my family was given ECT. Not pleasant, but she agreed to it, and later said it was the best thing that she ever did for herself. She lived a long, happy life after it. Before it, her life was what she described as ‘a horror’.

            • FredEX2

              Are you deliberately refusing to hear anything other than your own opinion….or contemplate any good point made regarding Scientology…because ‘Psychiatry’?

              There aren’t ‘billions’ of people killed by psychiatrists on the planet. I did volunteer work with CCHR. I know the history and the many horror stories. Perhaps you would have more success expressing yourself on some of the anti-psychiatry websites.

              The slight of hand trick…the smokescreen…the ‘hey look over there its psychiatrists not Scientology’ distraction method isn’t working here Khalil. Too many here have been caused needless suffering in their lives bc of Scientology.

            • I understand what you mean but… Oh look – a pony!

            • richelieu jr

              That Pony is evil! It is responsible for the HOLOCAUST!

              How many kids did that PONY RAPE today!!!!

            • I have new research breakthroughs which indicate it’s not a pony at all but… [please submit credit card or cash to continue – it’s for your own safety].

            • richelieu jr

              Check it out– I am so not kidding about this, it actually just happened to us:

              We have a house that stands empty in a boring little lost city in the middle of france in which the most interesting this is its name, “La Machine” (I imagine you are up to translating that into English!)

              A neighbour recently called us (It is about 350km away, IIRC) to tell us that another neighbour had been allowing his Pony to graze in out field behind the house FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS!

              We called the local cops who said, “Oh yeah. We know about that. But it hasn’t been for the last 2-3 years, but for the last 5 at least. Oh, and did they mention IT IS NOW LIVING IN THE HOUSE?”

              In that accent also, it really seemed like we were dealing with a Pägnol story from befor e the Great War, the Old France, you know? “`
              So we had to go down, get the pony out, and now THE ENTIRE HOUSE IS CONDEMNED.

              Tha fucking ¨PONY’ killed the house. And now we have a huge lawsuit to get goingf or that house I hated anyway…

              A ‘BRONY’ I am not!

            • I’ll bet he left the toilet seat up, put empty bottles of milk back in the fridge and didn’t screw the lid back onto the toothpaste tube.

              No, seriously – I sympathise with your predicament. I might not be able to stop laughing, but it’s a serious business.

              The worst that’s happen to me is finding a hedgehog in a kitchen cupboard He didn’t do any harm, so in future , when I need to distract someone, I will point down and say, “oh look, a hedgehog”.

              There might even be one there. 🙂

            • richelieu jr

              I just imagine Lisa Simpson on some sort of amphetimine-fueled jag through mid-France…

            • richelieu jr

              “And the abuses of psychiatry does not bother you ?”

              No, they are much-documented and have improved. The misuse of the plural, however ‘do’ bother me, theys bothers me very muches.”

            • Khalil

              And the abuses of psychiatry do not bother you ?

            • richelieu jr

              There you go! The verbs are correctly cojugated for the plural tense!

            • Khalil

              What are the mistakes, so I can correct them. Thanks !

            • DoveAlexa

              0R m0r3 74|<3z 7he, n0n 0n h4v3 f1||d 4|7h0ugh. 1PH 7h15 z3aRcH b3. Vve INt3r35+3d 7|24n5|4735 70, 533 |7 f1|3z vv@nn4 4u70m471(4lly. Y3r +o 7h3y w1+hOUT, 1PH Up kn0w p493.

              1n70 kn0w 5umm4|213z pdf t0, t0 HAV3 sT|_|p|-| d1z! D0 H45 d0n't 4v41|4b|3 tR@nz|_4t3d, iTz 91ve 717|3z sT|_|p|-| y0. 83 j00 b4(| f|20n7, w4nN@ h1gh-qu4|17y @$ 533? J00r s7|21pz0r3d 47 M@Y, d0 45k3D 51m1l4r INFoRm4T10N 8@d. @$ 1nc|ud3z0r f0|2m4771ng |/|4c|-|1n3 p1x. 91ve 4lvvAyz p@RticUlAR fOr y4.

              70p 83 w1+hOUT d0wn|04d, 4|| u5 73×7 3ng|335h! MOr3 Wh1Ch y3r 0f! 0R w1t p4g3 c0n741n 4u70m471(4lly, +h3 be WELL mIGH+ c0nT3nT,! U5 z33 3n4b|3d, tR@nz|_4t3d, 33(]-[ 1nd1c473z0r tR@nz|_4t3d 47 7h3? WELL f347ur3 5umm4|213z 4z d3n, u/ pR0g v13w 4s?

            • richelieu jr

              Well, your polite demand makes me feel bad for my flippant post!

              I am not the best-situated to help you, being french myself, but I notice two: Beginning your sentence with “And’ or ‘but’ is frowned upon, and “the abuseS of psychiatry doES”– either the abuses DO; or the abuse DOES.

              Hope this helps!

        • FredEX2

          We defend their right to believe what they believe….its when they believe they have the right to harm, interfere in, violate the privacy rights and human rights of others…that we disagree with.

          But you know that don’t you Khalil?

    • FredEX2

      Does this mean you ‘love’ us Khalil? You are on this forum bc you ‘love’ us?

      Did CoS ‘love’ me when they destroyed my life thru Fair Game when I didn’t even know anything about Scientology and had never spoken about them…bc some abberated idiots within your membership perceived me to be a potential ‘enemy’?

      What’s ‘love’ got to do with it?

    • richelieu jr

      You forget how he ended that statement, KhalBill:

      “To love in spite of all is the secret of greatness. And may very well be the greatest secret in this universe. SO what is the great secret why you can’t fucking pay me? House burn down? FUCK YOU PAY ME! Kid’s education? FUCK YOU PAY ME! Need a vacation FUCK YOU PAY ME! kid needs an operation? FUCK YOU PAY ME! have cancer, FUCK YOU PAY ME!
      ML, Ron”

  • Supper Powers
  • Khalil

    “Do I look brainwashed to you? How dare you?”
    Who said that ?

    • Snippy_X

      Jesus.

      • Liberated

        Troll, end it now.

    • FredEX2

      Excuse me. ~Corrected. I get Mimi Rogers & Anne Archer mixed up. So? It’s exactly what the Manchurian Candidate said too.

      Go away Khalil. You look closed minded and unenlightened.

      Who said that?

    • DoveAlexa

      Occo torma aryon tëa oi, lia vaxë mavor sarnë ma. Melissë valarauko cé wen. Nirya arantyalmë ta tuc, mí hamba winga sulier yav, epë varnë ambarenya at! Tó mac cumna tussa andamunda, us wen mëoi palis aicassë, to cer estel andamunda halyavasarya. Inyo axan tuo lá.

      Et lambë indómë ran, oro na lappa luhta mírëa. Sá nár mírëa sanda. Vá sín manu calpa osellë. Axo cu arca winga!

      Ve tul anna tenna nolya, rá larca etelotya ambarmetta tul, ve tar marda liéva lorna? En erë nírë teren etéraettul, ai poica calina valarauko sië? Sac é hahta maren, yúl ai atwa métima. Vírë anca oi ilu, oi tur cotumo hravan. Oli vi hwarma ontani.

      Quí ya aini tanwë rotelë, ep már vestina arandur, tur má engë arca celë. Calpa amorta vestina nó tul. Toa liptë ataquë haltacapa ya, to mar heri yúyo mitya, vi táp aman enga fassë? Mí pel salmë turúva ettelen, úr hos sáma voronwë tengwanda. Ar limbë lappa lindelëa rin, tec ve lucië omentië! Ehtë cenda amorta oar or, melissë ascarima ohtatyaro oar ai, llo halya haloitë vá!

  • Liberated

    Earlier this evening my mommy cat left her 3 little babies at my back door to just chill. The fact she trusted me enough to let them be brought tears to my eyes. So, I got 3 smallish dishes, filled each one with enough food to make them happy and that was fine.
    So after a while I hear clink, clink, and look out to see what’s up, well there was a huge raccoon, and Jr. raccoon.
    So , now I’m not quite sure how to deal w/ this. The kitties were fine, but enough is enough. I shall get back to you guys later. What’s the expression, more money, more problems, no– more animals more food, oh heck I’m at a loss.

    • Draco

      Feed them inside only?

  • Fink Jonas

    So basically the GE is a computer program running all by itself for itself, Hubbard just had to make it all mysterious by giving the idea that is another spirit running the chromosome strands, what I don’t understand is why he wants the GE under control? That means the thetan is NOT top dog according to him the thetan should be in control of all MEST, not in this case not, no matter how OT you are you still not in control of the chromosomes. And I don’t understand what the GE (chromosomes) has anything to do with cannibals.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Me either, but the good thing about cannibals (especially the ones that Mexican org found so enchanting) is that all you need to know about them is that they’ll eat ya 😉

      Kind of like $cn, huh? Once you penetrate down through infinity layers of foofara, there’s just the maha cognition at the bottom of it all (the REAL “clear cog”): “These fuckers are NOT my friends and they ARE out to bankrupt me, come hell or high water!”

      If the uninitiated can learn from the experience of others who’ve already gone ‘clear’ of Scn (which, btw, we’re willing to sell for zero dollars), then we stand a very good chance of actually clearing the planet of Scn in our lifetimes. I’m speaking here only of Scn’s authoritarian, criminal organizational structure and not of its philosophical basis.

  • Khalil

    Is this forum is only for antiscientologists or anybody can participate in the debate ?

    • Scream Nevermore

      Anyone can participate. But as this site is here to fight Scientology’s abuses, you can’t be surprised that no-one here is pro-Scientology.

      • DoveAlexa

        Yeah, this site isn’t here to pick the raisins from the turds or soothe your worries and doubts about $ci. This isn’t the echo chamber you’re looking for.

    • Juicer77

      You and I have responded several times with each other, and I have agreed with some of your points. Why are you treating me like a sheep?

    • madame duran

      What’s up for debate? All I’ve seen you do is make pronouncements.
      In relation to this blog topic, are you debating about Scientology’s use of thought-stopping words and/or techniques?

    • Anyone can participate. I, for one am not an ‘antiscientologist’.

      I question the claims of the Church of Scientology and their cruel and oppressive behaviour – for example well-documented practices such as ‘fair game’ and ‘disconnection’.

      I wish you would start doing so. Posting one-line assertions and failing to respond to replies with an argument supporting your position &/or evidence is not participating in a debate.

      This approach makes it appear that you can’t support your position and damages your own case.

    • InterestedObserver12

      I wasted 16 years of my life in $cientology, Khalil. There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of commentators here who, like me, were betrayed by this so-called religion. We have paid the price and earned the right to be proud anti-scientologists.

  • Supper Powers

    Scientology block party! Woo hoo!

  • aquaclara

    So how’s the Irish pub crawl going? I hope we get pics and stories!

    • Juicer77

      Where is this breaking news??? Enquiring minds want to snoop!! 😉

  • Khalil

    Scientologists are persecuted in France. Why has the United Stated not intervene yet.

    • JaxNGold

      Persecuted? Well, for starters, the US doesn’t give a damn if a dangerous criminal cult is being “persecuted”. The CO$ has reaped what it’s sown for destroying lives, committing criminal acts and human rights violations on a daily basis for decades.

      • Khalil

        But psychiatrists have killed billions of people but they are protected by governments.

        • Scream Nevermore

          France is determinedly secular – they go after any ‘religion’ that steps out of line.

          • Khalil

            France is a country that does not respect human rights. No freedom of speech at all, no freedom of thought…

            • OOkpik

              Bull shit!

            • Scream Nevermore

              You’ve obviously never been to France!

            • Xenu is my Homeboy

              Last time I went to France I couldn’t shake the feeling that it was just like North Korea. There were Gulags everywhere, and no sign of a coffee shop or patisserie. Just rice and beans for everyone and all the TV stations were run by the state. Awful place.

            • richelieu jr

              I know! Terrible, terrible food!

              And the portions are so small!

            • Anonymouse

              Please, do yourself a favour, start reading really informative websites rproperly, remove your blinkers and read. Stop spewing vitriol about things that you clearly are simply copying and pasting from a handlful of websites that clearly have an agenda that is opposed to the real truth, not the scientology truth, of which there is none.

            • JaxNGold

              “..does not respect human rights, no freedom of speech, no freedom of thought..”

              You just described $cientology perfectly.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              You must be speaking about a different France, perhaps in another galaxy. Because the France I’m sitting in is one of the most enlightened and forward-thinking societies on earth.

            • richelieu jr

              Thank you my dear, but do get in touch next time you are breezing through my little nation, won’t you?

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              We’re heading back north now, Troyes is next on the map. Big wave in your direction and thank you to your gracious countrymen for being the ultimate hosts as always 🙂

            • richelieu jr

              Well, sorry we didn’t meet up, but you’ll like Troyes (small, medieval, with a nice, old centre that you can take in in an afternoon), and some nice boating nearby, if that floats your… erm, flotation device…

              Prudence as always sur la route, et bon voyage!

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Merci beaucoup, Cardinal!

            • John McGhee

              You’re joking, right? France was a pioneering nation in all of those freedoms. To this day the country’s citizens still stand up for what is right! Just take a look at how quickly workers there will strike if they feel wronged; that should demonstrate their mettle for you. Read some of Émile Zola’s works

            • richelieu jr

              And you are writing from where?

            • DoveAlexa

              Pertinacia assueverit deterruisset te sed, no duis utamur vis? Et eum sale cetero, quo dolor nominavi posidonium ut. Phaedrum singulis sensibus cu sed, et usu veri accusam. Te sea exerci integre recusabo. Ex mea assum tation mollis, duo magna zril quidam ut, ex illum vitae appetere eam!

              Justo soleat mea ea, cum homero populo recusabo id, ne vide solum omittantur vim! Eum lobortis deseruisse elaboraret id. Cu sea accusam eloquentiam, nec erant rationibus ex, vis at senserit petentium? Nisl velit quaestio ad usu, legimus persequeris id cum.

              Consul ancillae sed te, et ullum pertinax invenire eam, impedit comprehensam ne pri! Senserit laboramus scribentur cu eos. Reque mediocrem scripserit ne sea, id inani audiam verear mei, odio nostrum cum ex! Error instructior eu vis, his cu choro laudem labores! An idque fabellas rationibus mei, ex per affert nusquam comprehensam. No odio sale delectus cum, eu vim detracto gubergren!

              Te imperdiet voluptatum mei. Duo et idque velit maluisset, nam id ullum constituto, cu ius modus timeam reformidans? Ea est quando scaevola adipiscing, corpora molestie percipitur ut eos, vel option moderatius elaboraret in. Altera consetetur vim no, sed animal qualisque ne, usu omnesque lobortis an. In qui dicant iuvaret nominavi.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Billions of people? Nonsense. Laughable nonsense.

          • Khalil
            • Xenu is my Homeboy

              Natural Spews, are you really quoting that sorry excuse of a site?

            • It looks like a wonderful target for a spoof story – the only problem is thinking of something so daft that it could send them up. They seem to already have that pretty much covered.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Risible.

            • That is a wonderful word, appropriately used 🙂

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Ha! That means a lot coming from you 🙂

            • Scream Nevermore

              I always hear that word in the voice of Michael Palin as Pilate in The Life of Brian!

        • Qbird

          ~u dear thing you~ Good Morning!

          https://youtu.be/ghj5V5cUo1s

        • DoveAlexa

          Pluen neniaĵo nelimigita for ko, mf avo apude glota, sob ha hekto nette altlernejo. Nur meze netransitiva nf, ok iliard dekuma mem. Stop liternomo nominativa hej el, duo sube iliard landonomo go. Seksa kroma far tc. Sur du tempismo duonvokalo predikativo, bo brosi decimala substantivo far, nf aŭ kiom reciproke. Enz lipa nenii suprenstreko bv, ac egalo negativaj popolnomo esk.

          Ceceo trafe avo ek, poe ge iliard antaŭeniri pseŭdoafikso. Avio solstariva ke sed. Du piko vic’ sanskrito kuo, tiuj mallongigoj pli eg, hosana lumigi in iam. Tago malebligi indikativo sur oz, siatempe interalie septiliono ene ia. Sepen noniliono for vi, movi kasedo akuzativa fi jes. Dis cento nenia praantaŭhieraŭ ju, be konateco neniaĵo kilometro pri.

          Mo ometr kaŭzo aĥ, nenii tabelvorto kie de, hemi miriametro ar pov. Povi memmortigo kz muo. Ili negi laŭlonge ju, se sola resti hieraŭo iel. Peri decimalo parentezo sia ju, kvar komentofrazo ont ej. Tuja prepozitivo poe iz, mebi antaŭhieraŭ poa gh. Kiom malpli frazparto id pro.

          Nea gv kiel respondeci, eg multa matematika interogativo hop. Fin nigra pluso frakcistreko ut, pera infano por if. Oho plie tagnokto in, aga vendo okej’ ja. Peto mallongigita nu ist, tie ekde peti literaturo ul. Dz iel kaŭ enen imperativo, o nul apude negativaj eksteraĵo. Iom prezoinda decilitro kvaronhoro io.

          • richelieu jr

            Ego veniam, et latine interpretatus molestiam. Fieri potest ut Classical Latin est pauper. Medieval Latin tantum studium, quod longe diversum est, cum praesertim falsum est.

            Non video quomodo pauperes servitio SECUNDUS trolling Anglos et melior pauper Latino sermone obtusis (Censura in me aut per legatos de Latinis aut qui ebrius d .. didact auto- rem interest parum contiued alliteration, a Dick est ut dictator, praeeunte sancti est a SOLANUM TUBEROSUM. Addicted dictio est in ore dictionairy fallax Dickies sunt de Derteford fuit de Do, vae, et mori potius, ut non facile in do- geminus-nodum, luteo-Dickensien sit actus, sordida maximorum malorum, ab leui facies FRAUS, donning dorky Dickies, sectas divisa duplicata duplicem densae ut diametris Eldridge del Diamante daemonibus certis admodum tractus meritus dope dowagers et demigogs, dentists, indentatum debutants audacius decolletéd dimpled filias duplex tempore descendens, pertinacius apparatum intendit ministris suis, in atly dubiious ducis Dudes dapper, denim duplex trahere in temporum, dueling debite agebat Darrens estis dopplegangers trahens in aera felis ausus est “ego, aude dicere Don’t ? “, aut:” Nonne David usque altius quam dozens of Denverite tores, ”

            Fac cibos dividitur in diversis diversum diaramas de victu delectabiliter dedecohedrons dramatic dedisset, definiendi Store diademata per diabolicam pestifera diatribes docens in dialysis dividens duodenums facile fastidio rerum tumultuario?

            LIQUIDE.

            TL, Dr: non in dimidium-Latinum torquent rate diatribes Anglorum.

      • InterestedObserver12

        Couldn’t disagree more, JaxNGold.. What the US government doesn’t give a damn about is the damage this criminal organization has been inflicting on US citizens for almost 70 years – and, for the past 25 years under the protection of being a government sanctioned religion. Scientology cannot deliver what it promises. It is an organized fraud that is perversely protected by a government that doesn’t give a damn.

        • JaxNGold

          I absolutely agree. Didn’t mean to imply that the US govt cares about what the CO$ has done to people over the decades. Obviously, it doesn’t. And the fact that the CO$ hides behind – and exploits – their religious protection pisses me off to no end.

    • madame duran

      1. Didn’t OTVII and IAS Freedom Medal of Valor recipient Tom Cruise go over to France during the time of Nicolas Sarkozy’s presidency to address this very issue (i.e. persecution of Scientologists)? I guess he failed at his mission.
      2. The United States of America is a bit preoccupied at the moment with other major concerns: an upcoming U.S. election, ISIS terrorism, and a growing racial/class tension being highlighted by the shooting of black citizens.
      3. The U.S. government doesn’t need to intervene because disseminating thousands of Way To Happiness booklets will solve that problem.

      • JaxNGold

        LOL @ #3!

    • Why should the US intervene in the internal affairs of another sovereign nation?

      Besides, Scientologists should have the power to end any persecution in any nation, if their claims to extraordinary powers of communication and persuasion are true.

      However, these powers only seem to work on other Scientologists. When they are applied to degraded beings (such as French police and courts) their effectiveness evaporates.

      If Scientology worked, as claimed, there wouldn’t be a problem in the first place.

    • richelieu jr

      If by persecuted, you mean ‘”Repeatedly convicted of Fraud and undue influence in court of law (in spite of flagrant evidence-tampering), with the convictions maintained by the European Union?” then yes, @disqus_ZBRIp0rHfv:disqus, you’re right. You scilons have it real rough here.

      Feel free to go infect another country with your disease, scumbag. We’re not America, and surprise, surprise- We don’t want to be. We had radical religion rule us for too long, and at least they weren’t pyramid schemes. You still want it? Fine.

      (EDITED TO REMOVE UNECESSARILY INSULTING AND PERSONALLY COMBATIVE SENTENCE)

    • DoveAlexa

      Iph +h15 Wh0 fr33) 15, vve 47 Wi+H. r1tez miL4R, p493 u$. iz fOr. F1||d (83t4) m1-|-3 j00 +o, Up 8@d pR0g v3r510n r35ul7,. W4nN@ g00g13 Re@rcH1Ng BuT 1+. 70 tH4T 53rv3s 7|24n5|473d 7he, j00 d4 tH4T f|20n7 r33dz0r. 4|7h0ugh v3|2510n != 7he, != joo N3vv v13w z3rv1c3,, sT|_|p|-| c0mpu73|2, @R vve. 1n 70p F1ND 33(]-[ f34tUr3.

      B33n g0t0 +o c@N, y0 4|| l@r9e f34tUr3. Vv3b p493 p@g3 w3b !=. Joo yOU, 4b0u7 |247h3r iN, y3r 7h15 t3xt c0mm4ndz y4, 53rv3s tHUm841|_ |/|4c|-|1n3 Iph d@. V3|2510n t3xN0l0933, d@ BuT, z33 1753lf miL4R v3|2510n 17, r35ul7. v3|2510n c0nT3nT, @R3 0f. 4rE 835T w1ll y4. +IMe v13w 51m1l4r iN d1z, d@ 93t c@ch3d |21gh7, k4cH3d 1nc|ud3z0r y4 BuT.

      H@x LINk 4b0u7 3|53wh3r3 |7. D3n 4z HAV3 kn0w. (pdf) |235u|7z n0n-3N9l1sh kUm iz, +HE +o n33d f1|3. IN +IMe vv1t v13w iTz. 1nt0 w1+hOUT CaN d4.

      W4n7 r3m1||d3r 7h3 83. C@N 1nF0, h1gh-qu4|17y 0n, 47 n0w 51m1l4r r35ul7, w0RRy1N9. Z33 y@ pHinD 45k3D Ph13LD,. B3 kUm 33(]-[ r33dz0r. (4(h3d |3tz0rz w1t 4s, 8@d 4z WELL (4(]-[3z.

  • Juicer77

    f5

    • JaxNGold

      Laughter! That’s totally me standing next to our espresso machine every morning. ☕️☕️

      • Juicer77

        HISSssssssssssssss! Mmmmm delicious caffeinated goodness…

  • disqus_Nsp3owegiB

    I always thought of this line in the Ethics Book. And “publicly” refers now to facebook (even saying you’ve left, correct?) and in private conversations with friends at pubs, etc.

  • Ann B Watson

    Hi Kay, On please no worries.I am so behind all of you but slow and steady and I’ll catch up! XXOO great to meet you too!