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Trial set in New York on April 7 over Narconon drug rehab hiding connection to Scientology

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In September 2014, we told you about a lawsuit against a Scientology “Narconon” drug rehab facility in Florida that was filed by a New York couple, Heidi and Nathaniel Gore. At that time, the lawsuit had survived a challenge by Narconon’s attorneys, who said it didn’t make sense for the Florida rehab to be sued in a New York court.

Here’s what we said about it then…

They were convinced to send their family member to a Narconon center in Destin, Florida, but first they were asked to deposit $40,000 to “save a spot” for the patient. They did so, using their American Express card.

But then, after dropping off their relative, they learned the truth — that the program isn’t about drug counseling, it’s about giving patients Scientology training.

Upset, the Gores confronted a Narconon employee who told them the patient could leave and the fee would be pro-rated.

The patient did leave just two days after arriving, but the Gores couldn’t get their money back.

Responding to their lawsuit, the church filed a motion to dismiss, arguing that the Gores couldn’t sue in New York state court because the site of their so-called injury was in Florida. But Judge Carol R. Edmead disagreed — evidence showed that the Gores had paid the $40,000 from their American Express card while they were in New York, not Florida.

We’re bringing it up again because just a few days ago, Judge Edmead set the case for trial in her New York court, and the date is coming up fast — April 7.

Also, the Gores were asking for sanctions against the defendants, and they were making some pretty interesting allegations. They say that the owners of the particular Florida franchise they are suing dropped out of Scientology’s Narconon network in October 2013 and as a result were then instructed by the licensing company, Narconon International, to burn everything that said “Narconon” on it in a fire. That was the defendant’s explanation, anyway, for why they couldn’t respond to certain requests for information about Narconon and its ties to Scientology.

Wow. We’ve been reporting about how Narconon is going up in a ball of flame in the last few years, but we didn’t mean it literally.

There’s more we’d like to learn about this case, especially with an actual trial coming up so fast, and in our backyard. Narconon lawsuits, which have proliferated like mushrooms after a summer rain in the last few years, always settle, and we’ve never known one to go to trial. But we haven’t had a lot of time to peruse these court documents. We’re just going to post them and let you dig through them for interesting nuggets.

Our impression is that the key issue in this lawsuit is can the Gores prove that the Narconon hid its connection to Scientology until their loved one arrived at the facility. We sure hope their attorney has been paying attention to the pleadings and evidence in the many suits filed by Ryan Hamilton and Jon Little, which lay out plenty of evidence for how Scientology really runs these facilities but obscures that connection to fool potential clients.

Here are the documents, please give us your thoughts on them…

In this first document, Judge Edmead discusses some of the history of the case, and the reasons for why she didn’t award sanctions to the Gores, despite the squirrely way the Narconon defendants reacted to instructions to turn over documents.

Gore v. Narconon: Order denying sanctions

 
— Here’s the argument against sanctions by Narconon Gulf Coast’s attorney, Dennis Houdek.

Gore v. Narconon: Houdek Affirmation

 
— Countering that, here was the argument by the Gores for why sanctions should have been awarded.

 
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  • MrsLurksALot

    Tony’s best line of the entire article:

    “Wow. We’ve been reporting about how Narconon is going up in a ball of flame in the last few years, but we didn’t mean it literally.”

    Love it! Happy Tuesday, Bunkeroos. Please leave your socks at the door.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I saw some comments about that? Where there some shenanigans last night?

      • MrsLurksALot

        Last night was very odd. Jazzlover’s impersonator (?) came out to play. People weren’t having it. Things got weird, I just lurked and smh.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I’ve typed like 100 things. Point being….sock accounts are lame. Who the fuck has time for that???

          • MrsLurksALot

            Losers….

          • jazzlover

            I suspect you’d be very surprised.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Are you not bothered that this person is using your name?? I’m just sayin, if it were me and someone showed up using my screen-name and acting that way….I’d probably have something to say about it. That’s just me though. :)

            • jazzlover

              I think you’re misreading my reaction, and underestimating my understanding of the situation. I’ve been around the block a few hundred times, and know full well what “forum cliques” are all about. Given that, I’m in a no win situation, but don’t in any way assume that this hasn’t been (or won’t be) dealt with properly. As a matter of fact, assume nothing, even that this is OSA garbage, which everyone seems to be automatically doing.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
            • MrsLurksALot

              This whole thing is just so odd……

            • Robert Eckert

              Spoofer has been around for years (may not be the same person all the time, but the tactic is unvarying). Howdy first noted a fake Bob, when our Bob was new; I have seen spoofings of DougDoug and Fly, prior to this spoofing of jazzlover, and there have been other cases.

          • BraveBloggers

            Ain’t nobody got time for that…remix.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Can’t wait to dig into the legal docs later but I have a busy day ahead of catching up on all the things I blew off when I was sick. :)

    Another upcoming hearing? Ouch, April doesn’t look too good for you either Tiny Tosser.

    • Tony Ortega

      Not a hearing. A TRIAL. With a jury and everything.

      It’s kind of stunning, actually.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        :O I obviously need more coffee. Oooo a trial, looking forward to this.

        • chukicita

          *hands NOLA a cup of Community dark. And a beignet.*

          • FredEX2

            Me too chukicita, pretty please ☕️

            • chukicita

              Refills are free

          • Draco

            Chukicita – did you see Spike Robinson was trying to get hold of you yesterday? She has a song for you …

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Thank you love. I sure hope it makes it to the trial and doesn’t settle. Narconon’s scummy deeds aired in court?? Yes, please.

      • Peter

        All the more reason they HAVE to settle, methinks.

      • Chee Chalker

        Should we partake in a little March Madness of our own and take bets on whether this gets past jury selection?
        Or past opening statements, etc before.settlement is offered

    • MrsLurksALot

      Hope you are feeling better now. All this pollen, it is going to get worse for me before it gets better. Yay! A trial. A real one!

      • BraveBloggers

        And the news weenies say pollen is low. If this is low, with every darn thing around me blooming, I don’t want to see medium pollen. I’ll be wearing Zyrtec around my neck like garlic to ward off the pollen. Cripes it’s gory to even think about.

        • MrsLurksALot

          I thank big pharma everyday for the creation of AllegraD. It is my life saving drug. I remember allergies before AllegraD; at one point they were discussing sinus surgical options. But, now, 2 pills a day keeps the allergies under control. I still have them, just not as horribly.

  • Narapoid

    So the operators were told to burn/destroy evidence?

    I actually face palmed. Do they even care that it looks nefarious as hell? Or does the Guardian’s Office of Special Affairs care that the link between the Commodore’s Bridge to Total Freedom and Narconon is 50 years on and is undeniable as air? (Not that Scilon lawyers wouldn’t try to deny the existence of air in court if they are getting $1000 an hour.) I guess they did not know what else to do.

    The franchisee’s kid is probably in the Sea-Org, safe in the arms of Captain Miscavige and his co-conspirators.

    • chukicita

      I’m not sure I understand – they were told to get rid of everything that said Narconon, because… they were being dropped from Narconon licensing? They were choosing to disaffiliate themselves? Or they were being thrown under the bus?

  • Xenu is my Homeboy

    OT: Bryan Seymour reporting on Nora Crest story from yesterday.

    https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/712190923589824514

    • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

      You have to see the sea org member acting like a total dickhead in the background…. boy, that’s perfect meme material!

      • Draco

        They make it so easy to mock them. Grade school antics …

      • KingofSweden

        I love that Brian Seymour calls them out on the antics… naming them for what they are: not merely childish, but deliberate and calculated attempts to derail the “black PR.”

        • PickAnotherID

          Loved that bit, but I’ll bet the order RPFing the dancing idiot is already on it’s way down from DM’s desk.

          • flyonthewall

            yup. I was shocked they’d do that. That’s wog behavior

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Memes and GIFs too. It would make a hilarious gif. 😀

    • Phil McKraken

      This is the kind of line that gives me a chuckle:

      “Kidman reportedly studied Scientology’s upper levels, where the story of Xenu, the galactic overlord, is revealed.”

      I just picture Tommy Davis averring, with that angry scowl, that it is deeply offensive to his religious sensibilities to discuss this esoteric cuckoo openly in the media. I know it’s not as important as the many criminal frame-ups, fair game, disconnection, child exploitation, financial ruination, etc, but the Xenu story is the thing that captures the public imagination. So, I must give it its due.

    • ze moo

      Bryan Seymour rocks the boat again, what the hell is Gungnam Style sea bOrg doing? That is an improvement over the usual 1950’s style of the clampire, but it is sooo 2012.

      • Jake Hamby

        🎶 Oppan Thetan Style. 🎶

    • flyonthewall

      Kidman is so so very fine. Only a kool aid guzzling fool would break up with her.

      • Missionary Kid

        Supposedly, she helped Katie Holms when she divorced Tommy. Payback.

  • OOkpik

    Destroying incriminating evidence is Scientology 101. Why not/ They destroy pretty much everything and everyone they come in contact with. This trial needs to happen. Enough is more than enough when it comes to Scientology’s
    criminal tactics. Grrrr!

  • Ella Raitch

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist
    • chukicita

      All spring from the same pile of manure.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Humming “Springtime for Miscavige” :)

        • chukicita

          Oh, Hole, you just made me drop my fork!

    • Observer

      Seems appropriate

      refresh

      • KingofSweden

        Why is he holding a musical instrument? Is he going to trip out and serenade the forest, man?

        • Sherbet

          I need to know if it’s a “hip-pocket” guide, or a “hip” pocket guide. No, I don’t really need to know that. “Listen to my trombone, my little fungus friends!”

  • Sejanus

    They won’t dare let it go to trial.

    The second one of these cases make it to actual trial, $cientology risks the connection to Narconon being made public (ok well MORE public). Then they will be ripe for lawsuits from every single client they ever had. Half-Man won’t risk that. Make no mistake they are going to settle…even though I wish they wouldn’t.

    Settlement in….
    3…
    2…
    1…cha-ching…ssshhhhh!

    $cientology is becoming more of a court wasting pain in the rear than at any other time it feels.
    Eventually there will be a trial of something..and it will have Dinky Massengil sitting on phone books inn the witness box ruining his underoos.

    • Linda Clement

      Has $cientology ever let a Narconon case come this close to trial before? To put it another way, is it possible that these folks care more about bringing the case to trial than about money?

  • PickAnotherID

    Ouch! More legal stuff to wade through. But before I start on that, a friendly reminder it’s “National Diabetes Alert Day” today – http://www.diabetes.org/are-you-at-risk/alert-day/?utm_source=Google&utm_medium=Ad&utm_content=2016-Risk-Test-Google-Ad&utm_campaign=ALERT&utm_source=Offline&utm_medium=Print&utm_content=risktest2016&utm_campaign=ALERT Take the test, it might save your life, and no one will try and reg you into taking courses.

    It’s also “National Goof-Off Day”. Why legal stuff to dig through on ‘Goof-Off Day’, why????

    And on a side note, anyone starting a pool on how close the the 7th it gets before narCONon settles?

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Trial, you say? Yeah, that’s gonna happen.

    http://i.imgur.com/Suw0efI.jpg?3

    • Draco

      I was thinking more along the lines of (F5 for pic) however, with climate change, who knows?

      • Fink Jonas

        By the way Hubbard said that hell was an ice-cold- freezing place not a place of fire Christians had it all wrong according to him, your shoop is appropriate.

        • Draco

          Sigh … he really couldn’t leave anything alone, could he?

    • Sherbet

      But it’s Kryptonite.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Stay safe in Belgium. Fanaticism is all our problem. I just turned on the news and held my breath once again. Our hearts and thoughts are with you all. So senseless, such sorrow.

    • Jeb Burton

      Agree. My heart goes out. Senseless.

  • Fink Jonas

    Narc-o-non steals 40K from a honest costumer, but now they have to pay attorney fees probably way over 40K to defend themselves for not refunding the money as any honest business should do. Hubbard’s recalcitrant way of thinking is written all over their procedures.
    I do really! really! hope they go to trial before settle. oh! the precious jewels that will come out in trials!
    If they don’t they have to settle NOW NOW NOW!

  • chukicita

    I found Narconon Gulf Coast dot org’s website on the Wayback Machine, too. As of Jan 2014, three months after they were supposed to have torched everything with the N word, their website still said “Narconon” all over the place, including in its published testimonials. It was also touting a 90.2% success rate, and I couldn’t find Hubbard’s name anywhere.

    This is gonna be an interesting trial.

  • BabySmurfette

    Was iBetty in Belgium? Am I remembering that correctly or is she home by now?

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Pretty sure she is home. ; )

    • Sherbet

      Home.

    • Robert Eckert

      She posted nice pictures of Brussels to my Facebook feed so that I could have a good visual feel for how nice a city the bastards just attacked.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    I just wish some young new academic would do a two year “review” of the 100 most morally offensive Scientology “scriptures” by L. Ron Hubbard, and detail how seriously and pervasively the most offensive Hubbard scriptures (rules and regulations and fundamental theory writings like Keeping Scientology Working and the Simon Bolivar policy) are manifested and continue to be actively employed by the movement.

    When I left Scientology, I thought that that was the domain of academia, and there’s no way to get academia to get interested to the detailed degree of a full review and takedown piece by piece of the green volumes and administrative backbone of the Scientology movement, for instance.

    I still lament this.

    It takes a good amount of time to even do journalism, witness the years Tony’s been at it, astoundingly detailed work he’s done, and as good as all of the books are to date, and I’ve read most of them, I still feel frustrated that no handbook of Scientology for officials and authorities exists.

    The Australian report was extensive and major, but it is 40 years old, and Scientology front groups just keep operating today with their continued patterns, and the writings of Hubbard that govern their continued patterns while it’s been extensively covered in detail now by the ex member excellent books, Luke Catton’s on Narconon for instance

    http://tonyortega.org/2013/03/18/former-executives-tell-all-adds-to-scientology-rehab-programs-meltdown/

    and Luke’s book

    http://www.amazon.com/Have-You-Told-All-Scientology/dp/0615768725/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

    (By the way, Luke’s book has an absurd price on Amazon, meaning OSA has bought up all copies!!!!!!)

    Gosh, this is so disappointing in the bigger historical terms for me, personally, I’m not qualified good enough to write a book for worldwide officials, but someone ought to write it.

    Somehow I wish had some academics done some really excellent authoritatively supposed with Hubbard’s writings and then news media examples and interviews of newly exited members for further corroboration of how Hubbard’s writings shape what official Scientology does, then authorities around the world would have a sort of authoritative handbook, chapter by chapter, of the Scientology key Hubbard policies compartmented into categories of the controversial effects.

    A book on the key 100 pollicies, graded by importance, so the officials in the world see for instance all the key policies that ABLE operates on, and all the other front groups operate on.

    Some book that can be used as a reference by the clueless media around the world and for the officials around the world as a permanent briefing on what all Scientology will be dishing out and Scientology or the Scientology front groups come to town.

    If I had Robert Minton’s millions, or if another millionaire out there in the ether wishes to donate to some good writer wishing to do the dull work of researching out Hubbard’s key 100 worst policies guiding the movement today, and turning out a useful handbook on Scientology for officials, that’d be helpful to cautioning Scientology for all time.

    Sort of a briefing book chapter by chapter, what’s up when Scientology tries to set up in their communities. With all the references listed out neatly, quoted, with examples of how it’s been applied in history, and how it’s all being applied by Scientology today. Neutrally laid out, quoting Hubbard’s own words is plenty good enough.

    • Linda Clement

      What a publisher’s dream! Instant buy-up of all copies. I hope Luke’s publisher is paying attention.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3415e1d15e5f835e0870fbd1379d47d8fcd5af94c23abe4bb7dccddf9ab3d570.png

        Hundreds of dollars for one paperback! But it is the most detailed takedown of Narconon by a former leader executive in existence.

        • aquaclara

          I’d like to order a copy, but at regular prices…..

        • https://www.facebook.com/cecegangle Cece

          I found a new one on ABE Books.com for only 6,069.61$.

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            http://www.barnesandnoble.com/s/lucas+catton?_requestid=200410

            Looks like Barnes and Noble has it for 11 bucks, so all is well if they have a few left.

            Chuck

            • https://www.facebook.com/cecegangle Cece

              If you click to purchase the price changes to 596.85$

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              Drat.

        • http://scicrit.wordpress.com Once_Born

          I bought mine at a more reasonable price. The publisher is listed as “Catton Communications”, suggesting that the author used a publishing on demand platform.

          There is something very funny going on here. With the greatest respect to Lewis, this is a somewhat specialised aspect of a specialised subject, so I doubt that these books are actually changing hands for those sums of money.

          However, having Scientologists list them for sale for funny money would be a good way to make them unobtainable. After one or two such listings appear, optimists with a copy to sell are going to bump up their prices in the hope of making easy money. The side effect is, of course, that nobody can buy them.

          I’m betting that the people who started this does not even have a copy to sell. It’s a con. Involving Scientology. Who would have thought it?

      • Chee Chalker

        EXACTLY! I hope this means another printing!

        • http://scicrit.wordpress.com Once_Born

          The author probably used a publishing on demand platform (see my comment above) so it would likely be easy to satisfy demand at a reasonable price with a few clicks.

          Someone might want to contact him.

      • Peter

        And madly reprinting! That would drain their coffers more than a little as they tried to keep up with printing presses! LOL

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        http://www.barnesandnoble.com/s/lucas+catton?_requestid=200410

        Barnes and Noble is selling it for normal paperback price for anyone wishing to pick it up cheap quick.

    • Victoria Pandora

      Chris Shelton’s A to Xenu covers this well.
      Wow, glad I snagged a copy of Lucas Cattons book back in the day.
      Unbelievable prices, I’ve never seen them do that before!

  • aquaclara

    Narconon? A trial? A bonfire? Oh, boy. Pour some coffee. Find Oreo Cookies and Mary Mc Connell and David Love. Let’s go, people. We have docs to digest.

    *ignores whatever disgusting stuff Woofy Clara has just managed to eat outside*

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Extremely civil of Judge Edmead to schedule this trial on Tony’s doorstep.

    • Supper Powers

      Glad to see you.

    • Observer

      Did you see the gift I left you in yesterday’s comments?

    • Peter

      They’ll offer a big chunk of cash and get away with it again, I suspect. The cannot afford to lose another such case and especially in the NY venue. WAY too much reporting going on there. As well, they can’t afford to have more testimony which can then be used in other cases.

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        They need to get Narconon Gulf Coast properly buried cremated so that they can move on with Blu By The Sea without any visible Narconon connections.

        • Peter

          I’m sure that such connections can always be found. :)

  • PickAnotherID

    Well, they didn’t burn everything connecting NN Gulf Coast to narCONon. I think someone forgot IRS Form 990’s for tax exempt entities are a public record. From the Narcon Gulf Coast (EIN: 422031325) ‘Mission Statement’ in their 2012 and 2013 IRS Form 990’s (All caps in original):

    OFFER EFFECTIVE DRUG AND ALCHOHOL EDUCATION AND REHABILITATION TECHNOLOGY TO THOSE IN NEED AND TO EXPORT THE EFFECTIVE NARCONON PROGRAM TREATMENT METHODOLOGY TO TREATMENT PROFESSIONALS AROUND THE WORLD

    I suspect it’s also in earlier 990’s, but haven’t looked yet.

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      I don’t think they’re hiding their connection to Narconon, just that they can’t answer questions about Narconon’s connections to Scientology due to the Great Fire of 2013.

      • PickAnotherID

        That’s where a forensic accountant would come in handy, to track down where those “Royalty” and “Licensing Fees” actually went.

  • Chee Chalker
    • Dice

      Life is short! – So buy a blender.

  • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

    Next trial:

    “The defendant Blu By The Sea hid its connection to Narconon, which hid its connection to Scientology…”

    Narconon Gulf Coast didn’t use the Narconon International group exemption, so they didn’t have to drop that in the change-over to Blu By The Sea. There should be one last 2014 Form 990 for Narconon Gulf Coast. It’s late. The question will be if there are going to be any Blu By The Sea Form 990s. It’s hard to hide a big 10% gross license payment in a Form 990. Per Wickstrom avoids Form 990s by not using charity status.

    Oh look, they have another shell company: PCA Enterprises, LLC, with loans and rents flowing around.

    • PickAnotherID

      Several NNGC 990’s list “Royalties” and “Licensing Fees” in their expenses. So there has to be paperwork showing where they went. Anyone have a forensic accountant handy?

  • Kim O’Brien

    i am so glad they got their child back alive . Lots of people were not so lucky ….ugh

  • TexasBroad

    Ooooh…a TRIAL is something to look forward to although there is plenty of time to settle and my guess is that will happen. That it is a jury trial leaves me with mixed feelings…hard enough to explain Sci motivations and nuances to a Judge, much less a jury. Working in their favor is their actions, to someone who doesn’t know anything about Scientology, seem so irrational and ridiculous, it makes it hard to believe a plaintiff’s claims.

  • Fink Jonas

    Scientologist will say about Brussels, “see what happens when you try to make Scientology a no-religion, the OTs withdrew their attention from that city and see what happens when OTs are not operating in an area” now their call to scam will be getting money from members to distribute thousands of WTH booklets that will bring order into that part of the world and the immediate call to action will be to set up fake VM camps with their yellow T-shirts to pose for the media around the world.

    • Linda Clement

      Don’t make a connection between $cientology and terrorism. Just don’t.

      There is no such thing as “too evil for $cientology.”
      ETA: I nearly had heart failure. Sorry.
      ETA again: Signing off for a bit. No worries.

      • Mark Foster

        Linda, his point is valid. That´s EXACTLY the kind of shit that IAS registrars will say to get people
        to cough up big bucks for a donation. And, yes, there are scientologists who actually believe having “OT”´s in an area makes it safe/calm/protected. And, yes, the “Volunteer Ministers” of Scientology will contribute absolutely nothing of immediate or lasting value in Belgium.

        • Linda Clement

          You’re absolutely right.

  • downtherabbithole

    What ever became of the Trout Run site? If no resolution yet, does anyone know when it is expected?

  • Bert Allen

    While the Judge denied Plaintiff’s demand for attorney’s fees, costs, and sanctions against the Narconon facility, the Judge did emasculate the facility’s case by in the Conclusion section, which begins at the bottom of page 6. In essence, the Defendant is barred from producing any new evidence to support its defense and Plaintiffs are entitled to a jury instruction that much of the evidence can not be construed to support the Defendant.

  • seriouslyWTF

    My only comments today are….. Woo Hoo! Trial!
    And….
    Hopefully Scientology will LOSE the trial. Please note I typed LOSE not LOOSE.
    You can lose your pants if they are too loose.

    I keep seeing ‘loose’ used instead of ‘lose’.
    Sorry to point it out, but it drives me crazy. You can all hate me now..

    http://www.elearnenglishlanguage.com/blog/english-mistakes/loose-vs-lose/
    Loose vs Lose
    The words loose and lose are mixed up in writing; for some reason, many people write loose when they really mean lose. But there’s no reason to lose your mind worrying about this, just lose the extra o!

    Loose

    Loose is an adjective, the opposite of tight or contained.

    My shoes are loose

    I have a loose tooth

    There’s a dog running loose in the street

    Lose
    Lose is a verb that means to suffer the loss of, to miss.

    I win! You lose!

    Don’t lose your keys

    I never lose bets

    • Draco

      I was called a Grammar Nazi yesterday – so I am with you!!

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        Loose use of language makes me lose my mind 😉 (All hail the Grammar Police!)

      • seriouslyWTF

        Ha ha. I missed that. I can ignore most things, but that one in particular drives me crazy. I don’t know why.
        I also know that I am not perfect and I’m always open to being corrected.

    • PickAnotherID

      Tighten up, and lose the loose use of adjectives for verbs. Or something like that.

    • Saint

      I’m hoping Scientology will loose[n] its bowels during trial. I’m pretty sure we can expect them shitting all over themselves.

  • Jimmy3

    . . .

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Soylent Jymmi

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Overheard on the 47 bus to Clapham Common:

    “‘Ere, wot’s this $cientology fing, anyways?”

    “You know how they ‘ave them awful Lite beers in America?”

    “Like Coors Lite, Bud Lite, that kind of crap? Non-beer beer, roi'”

    “Yeah, well, they’ve gone an’ invented religion-free religion too – $cientology.”

    “Instant religion, loike – is it just add religion and stir.”

    “Stir? That’s where Hubbard shoulda been.
    And that tiny tosser wot took over – McSavage or summat”

    “Fecker would slip through the bars.
    Anyways, loony-bin is where ‘e should be.
    Produced in a facility which contains nuts.”

    • Jimmy3

      Hey now. Don’t be dissing Coors Light. The little blue mountain on the can actually tells me when my beer is cold, and that saves me a lot of time and effort.

      • thetastic

        The effort involved in touching the can?

    • Sherbet

      I like that slogan: Up Ron’s Bridge!

    • Juicer77

      ‘Ear, ear. *raises pint glass*

  • Robert Ramsay

    I think Dennis really needs to flush out the details on exactly why his clients could not “clairvoyantly” produce those docs :)

  • Mrs. V.

    A trial! So a jury is going to an example of how scientology takes advantage of the vulnerable and sick. Cool.

  • JOE BLOW

    Confidential Internal Telex to COB

    As instructed Sir we have assembled at least 500,000 New York City Scientology protestors at the New York Org ready to march on the Wog Court House of Injustice as ordered.

    • Linda Clement

      $cientology hasn’t got 500, 000 of anything but leaflets.

      • JOE BLOW

        According to a new directive from our Great Leader, disembodied spirits aka Body Thetans will now be included in the count of active $cientologists. The new number is 87,654,841,129,679,554,003,521,337,774,065,321,001.

    • Draco

      500,000 scilons! Good one! F5

      • JOE BLOW

        You’re obviously not counting the shooped scilons.

    • oknow

      … and if you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.
      Damn, he owns it.

      • Draco

        No he doesn’t. It was “sold” to him along with a piece of Blue Sky.

        • JOE BLOW

          The Brooklyn Bridge according to court documents was recently purchased by The Cherch of $cientology. Only IAS members in good standing will be allowed to cross. That is all.

          • Draco

            Only IAS members who have paid in excess of $10,000,000 to the slush fund will be allowed to cross. FIFY :)

            • JOE BLOW

              I predict no traffic problems on the Brooklyn Bridge. Scientology working, see?

            • ze moo

              Give Chris Cristie a chance!! Anyone willing to be Dumpf’s minion can close the Brooklyn Bridge.

            • InterestedObserver12

              $cientology, having bought the Brooklyn Bridge, will be changing the name of the structure to The Bridge to Total Brooklyn. Brooklyn’s favorite son, John Travolta will MC the re-naming ceremony.

    • Dr_Orpheus

      Get Smart reference- “Would you believe 50 Scientologists?”

      • Draco

        No 😉

      • Robert Eckert

        Would you believe a body router and a guy who’s trying to shake loose the grip on his elbow?

        • Dr_Orpheus

          That’s quite believable.

  • PickAnotherID

    Not directly related to the case, but a sure sign of shennanigans, starting with the 2005 NNGC 990, and every year up to 2013, something similar to this shows up in every years “Transactions With Interested Personsl” schedule:

    THE ORGANIZATION INADVERTENTLY PAID SOME PERSONAL EXPENSES OF DIRECTORS, DEBORAH V. AND HERBERT R. ROSS, TOTALLING $xx,xxx. ALL BALANCES DUE ARE EXPECTED TO BE REPAID IMMEDIATELY.

    Some years just Deborah is listed, some years just Herbert, and some show both. The amount varies anywhere between $20k and $45k, but it’s every year for 9 years straight. How does any legitimate organization’s accountant “INADVERTENTLY” pay directors personal expenses every year without getting fired? Hey, IRS! You paying attention??

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist
      • Juicer77

        A Director who’s with the United Methodist Church!?! Somebody needs to yank their chain.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I’m going to “inadvertently” need a brand new Bugatti. Hook that up Narconon.

      • http://madhatter.ca/ Wayne Borean

        I need a brand new Aston Martin. Far nicer car than a Bugatti.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Both gorgeous. ; ) The old Aston Martin’s will always be fine cars.

          • Sherbet

            Does the old Aston Martin come with the young Sean Connery? Or even the old Sean Connery?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I’ll take either. :)

            • Sherbet

              Me, too. Note to TC: There’s nothing wrong with embracing your age! Look at Sean Connery!

            • Draco

              Somewhere in the middle Sean Connery is the best.

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      They’re playing Three Card Monte between Narconon Gulf Coast, Deborah and Herbert Ross, and PCA Enterprises (Deborah and Herbert Ross), but they’re not very good at it? 😛

      • PickAnotherID

        I’ve seen “loans” to directors that never seem to get repaid at several narCONons. But this is the only one I’ve found, so far anyway, that has repeated “Inadvertent” personal expense payments for directors. It’s like they bent the money card to fool the mark, then forgot to unbend it and just left it laying there. Dumb.

      • Sherbet

        They’ve been getting away with it, so, yes, they are very good at it. They don’t bother covering all the tracks, because the authorities don’t seem to notice or care.

        • Juicer77

          ^^^

    • dungeon master

      Lemme guess. Amounts put on account for services at the morg due to high pressure regging? Quite the setup. Like postulate checks. SMH

    • seriouslyWTF

      Are you kidding me? This makes my stomach hurt… Retired from corporate audit/controls for two years now and stuff like this still gets to me. Both the directors and accountants would be long gone by now if they worked for my company.
      So glad I’m retired. I start to feel a bit of anxiety when I think about it, especially when there is nothing I can do about it.

      • PickAnotherID

        No joke. That quote, or one similar, appears in every 990 from 2005 onward. How they’ve stayed out of IRS court over it is anyone’s guess.

  • 0tessa

    A black tuesday for our friends in Belgium.
    My deepest sympathy.

    • flyonthewall

      Are our European SP’s all safe?

  • Jimmy3

    I saw this yesterday and it made me chuckle.

    • seriouslyWTF

      I noticed that as well. Several of their posts are like that. Cracks me up.
      Don’t you just love Twitter? There is always a good laugh or two, and sometimes new info.

    • Juicer77

      Admit it, you upvote your own comments. 😉

      • Jimmy3

        Never!

        • Juicer77

          Pssst…. I do, too, but super quick only to see who luvs me.

          • Ella Raitch

            (guilty)

      • http://infertilitywarriors.blogspot.com/ Princess Squishy

        Mr. Squishy “likes” everything he posts on Facebook, and every comment he makes on anyone else’s post, because he thinks it’s hilarious.

        • Juicer77

          LOL

    • Newiga

      They are just giving their own tweet a touch assist.

    • Saint

      One is the loneliest number.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    A little baby gets started on the Bridge with auditing. I can see why Katie Holmes grabbed her Suri and ran like a deer, away from this craziness.

    A Mace-Kingsley quick video – “Would your child like to have this? A parent tells his Success…..”

    https://www.facebook.com/mace.kingsley/videos/10153201153320419/

    • salin

      *Shudder*

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I feel sick.

    • ze moo

      Did the kid get any attention outside of ‘session’?

    • Juicer77

      Oh, how nice. Now dump her out on the curb, sir, she’s nothing but a hindrance to your Bridge progress and a drain on our money supply. Thank you for listening! (f5)

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        But they had no choice. She demanded the auditing. Three times a day! SMH

        • Juicer77

          She must have told him telepathically. *facepalm*

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            These parents aren’t aware of it but she has a special comm line worked out to express how she really feels about auditing. Every time she hears LRH’s voice she fills her diaper. That happens among a lot of us wogs too 😉

            • http://scicrit.wordpress.com Once_Born

              Hubbard did the same… but somehow managed to get the contents published.

    • Sunny

      Probably about the only thing she could get processing on at that age is assists (unlikely) or a process called “own time”, in which the child has a specific allotted amount of time to do whatever they want and the auditor must co-operate until that amount of time is up. There is a stipulation that the child may not do anything harmful.
      But really? It’s not really doing anything but milking some money out of a poor idiot who tosses it at them.

      • UhLasare

        Thanks for the info, because without it, this video is stomach turning.

      • Sherbet

        “…a process called ‘own time’ in which the child has a specific allotted amount of time to do whatever they want…” Isn’t that what babies and children are supposed to do, anyway? I think it’s called “play.” Leave it to cos to charge for a “process” that’s really a natural part of a healthy childhood.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Well that kook Hubbard had to put his spin on it. Playing isn’t for fun! The toys build back their gradient scale of havingness because they’ve gone through the experience of death.
          (refresh)

          • Sherbet

            More pulled-out-of-his-a$$ lrh scripture. Sick.

          • Sunny

            What right do these parents have to push “religion” on the children?
            To be fair, shouldn’t those kids (when older) be allowed to read up on and join other religions (or none), if they so chose?
            It is one thing that really bothers me about being raised from childhood in Scn. No chance to see if there is anything different or nothing, which could/would be some childrens’ choice.

            • Ella Raitch

              This is the same issue I have with most religions Sunny. Kids are fully inculcated into their parents beliefs before they have the opportunity to think for themselves.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Here’s another photo of their auditing babies…
        (refresh)

      • http://scicrit.wordpress.com Once_Born

        You mean… you play with them. What makes that Scientology? Oh… of course… you call it something else and charge huge sums of money for doing it.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Ugh.

      Scientology is the ass. Mace-Kingsley is one of the boils on it.

    • PickAnotherID

      I don’t hate much, but I really, really, hate seeing $cientology involved with kids in any way, shape, or form.

  • nottrue
  • salin

    Reading the Gore’s response was … interesting. The Ross’ and their legal team have acted audaciously (not a surprise). Below are some highlights I gleaned.

    The ‘fire’ – was set by Ms. Ross in a 35-Gallon drum, stuffed with pages upon pages of documents with

    the
    logo of Narconon International or Narconon East Coast.

    In testimony the son of Ms. Ross claimed not to have known she set such a fire. Thus the lawyers contended that the fire itself was

    “subject
    of sharply conflicting testimony.”

    Also interesting are claims about the website that had been altered – that Mr. Ross swore under oath had clear references to Hubbard in three different places. But – oh my – the website has changed and there is no evidence to submit just his sworn word.

    Heh. Plaintiff lawyers, using an internet archive, found the website information as it existed around the time that Ms. Gore reviewed it. No Hubbard references anywhere, including the three specified places attested to by Mr. Ross.
    ——

    Oops – A Scientology related actor – lying under oath? Oh my.

    If you want a peek – but don’t have much time – it’s the second link – pages 5-6 and 11-12 are particularly interesting/revealing.

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      Coffee Powers Activate!

      • Juicer77

        Very interesting to see the how the US court system treats action vs. intention. It’s obvious the Co$ was blatantly pulling a cover-up, but will enough evidence be submitted in court to prove it to the law’s satisfaction? The Co$ relies on being able to weasel under these charges by twisting the letter of the law.
        PS Did another 4 mile hike today with the dog. Time for a cuppa. :)

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        p.3: The admin “Red and Green” volumes are sacred scripture. Yoo-hoo, Lusida Rubber Products…

      • Sunny

        My kids watch that show all the time….

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        There is no “Narconon East Coast”. it’s “Narconon Eastern United States, Inc”.

        • salin

          Interesting. It is used several times in the response – and it looks like it is quoting Ms. Ross from her testimony – refering to Narconon International and Narconon East Coast. See page 11.

          • PickAnotherID

            And $cientologists aren’t known to obfuscate names of things to create confustion since when??

            • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

              Yesterday. Scientology has completely changed since then and all ex-executives’ testimony is therefore obsolete and worthless. They don’t do that any more.

            • PickAnotherID

              Yeah. And they also don’t do it any less either.

    • salin

      oops didn’t reread. Going to edit for formatting – I typed up notes as I read and pasted them. Disqus never likes that.

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      A 35 gallon drum isn’t that big. You’d want at least a 55 gallon drum for a proper trash fire, especially with thick wads of paper.

  • TexasBroad

    OT: Oh No Ross and Carrie have announced a Dianetics episode tomorrow. F5 for post. With the references to their MaxFunDrive, I am unsure whether it will be accessible to everyone (and is just being posted during the drive) or if it is one of their bonus episodes available only to donors.

    • UhLasare

      I’m pretty sure it will be a subscriber-only episode. I listened to their Scientology ep. 3 last night, and that’s what they seemed to be saying.

      • TexasBroad

        Gotcha. Well, good for them that they will raise some funds from OSA.
        ** wanders off to look for spare change in couch cushions.

      • flyonthewall

        boo

      • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

        Podcasting isn’t cheap. It takes time, and lots of it. While Ms. Poppy and I have had some disagreements in the past, there are many areas where we are aligned and I think she and Ross do a fantastic job with their show. I’m also friends with a couple of other MaxFun podcasters. If you like their work, they deserve your support, just like Tony does. Just like Mark Bunker does, and myriad others who dedicate so much time their passions and offer a good product in return. Even a few bucks in the ol’ PayPal from a significant number of people makes a big difference. As we transition to an information economy, it can’t be free, or it’s just information.

        • TexasBroad

          They do a fantastic job. Looking forward to the episode.

  • aquaclara

    So in October of 2013, the Rosses said they stopped being part of Narconon. The patient here was in Blu by the Sea in September, 2012. Hmmm.

    I see that the Rosses had one, two, three, four, oh wait, five chances to produce court-ordered discovery, and even then, sent along stuff well after that deadline. How does this NOT merit sanctions? I’m sorry, Judge, but you’re not being fair here.

    Lots of discussion about the Red and Green volumes. I distinctly recall seeing the Red and Green volumes referenced along with Narconon somewhere else not all that long ago. And as Chuck might say, these are instrumental Scientology texts.

    These docs are not as easy to read as the Hamilton ones. Of course, Houdek, the attorney for the Rosses, mucks it up quite a bit with his paltry excuses (that somehow made it past the judge).

    So how can they refute that they were a) connected to Narconon, b) which is connected to Scientology, c) hid it from those patients who enrolled there, and d) are not guilty?

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      Blu By The Sea wasn’t incorporated until January 10, 2014. Possibly they had a DBA before then…

      Category:Blu By The Sea

      • https://www.facebook.com/cecegangle Cece

        Lawyers should hire you as a consultant.

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        Hmm, nope. No DBA current or expired.

      • aquaclara

        I stand humbly corrected by your honor. Thanks!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Apparently the CO$ is giving out some kind of medal or pin to the Clams who are scheduled to receive the new OT 9 & 10. Here it is…
    (refresh)

    • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

      That’s one pricey button.

    • dungeon master

      Hard for me to tell from the pic on my phone – what is the squashed mosquito looking thing on the lower right of OT symbol?

      • Sherbet

        Is it the Bridge?

        • dungeon master

          After I took another look i thought maybe the squashed wings were a bridge and the tail and probosis were a super highway..

          • Sherbet

            I like your buggy interpretation better.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Russian translations are sketchy Someone asked her what that was and she said replied something about the Freewinds. It doesn’t look like a ship to me so IDK.

      • BosonStark

        I have a huge monitor. It looks like a squashed mosquito.

  • Techie

    Note on the “Red and Green Volumes”, for those who may not know: the Red volumes are the Technical Bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology, the Green Volumes are the course materials for the Org Executive Course. They are 100% Hubbard Scientology. The Red volumes are Hubbard’s writings about Scientology “technology”, counseling etc. The Green volumes are his writings about organization and administrative details. There is no excuse that is even slightly plausible for a non-Scientology activity to have these volumes on hand. Scientologists often have copies to hand for reference, it is hard to be a Scientologist and try to remember all the contradictory and strange things Hubbard had to say on every conceivable subject. So the average Scientologist tries to remember the exact Hubbard dictum on things often every day, and finds it helpful to have the Volumes around so they can look things up. The problem with the Volumes is they are something like a snapshot of a moving target. When they first came out in the 70s there were quite a few items in them that were not written by Hubbard. Most of the original Green volume about Dissemination was put together by Diana Hubbard as Commodore’s Staff for Division 6 (Dissemination) or CS-6. Other volumes were more of Hubbard but quite random and rambling. Some subjects are covered in detail with several essays saying contradictory things, other important subjects are ignored or are only covered by others. At some point in the 80s there was a big panic about all the non-Hubbard text in the volumes and a massive effort was done to weed it all out, and also add in all the new Hubbard issues from the late 70s. This was part of the Dave Miscavige takeover, by saying that others had corrupted Hubbard’s work he was able to inject his own interpretation and hold it up as the only true Hubbard. The compilation was done, but it was not done directly by Hubbard. A lot of editing and compiling had to be done to stitch together random notes, scraps of paper, dictated notes and so on into what looked like Hubbard official pronouncements. So, even though almost all of Hubbard’s actual works and hundreds of hours of recordings etc. are carefully preserved, there is still the possibility of questioning or interpreting his work. It is almost like a human need, to test the “incontrovertible” statements of those in the past. In Hubbard’s case his actual words are so contradictory, so obviously extemporaneous, that they practically beg for an editor or compiler. Or perhaps they cry out for the trash can. In any case, as each version of spin unfolds new versions of the Tech Volumes are needed. In 2004 when I was last there, the hallways of the Cine Studio were all cluttered up with tables full of green issues. Supposedly Dave or someone had the unenviable task of sorting through all the copious Hubbard writings to finally put together the ultimate version of the Green Volumes, and all these tables full of papers were supposed to help with that. All I know for sure is they cluttered up the hallways for years. The task is impossible, unlike the situation Hercules faced in the Augean Stables. In the real world there is no river wide enough to wash a lick of sense into the vasty deep of Hubbard insanity.

  • Sunny

    Prayers for everyone in Brussels today.
    To all those on the fence and Scientology lurkers. Please look around you. Has Scientology actually changed things for the better in the real world?
    Think for yourself. Really, actually think for yourself and LOOK.

    • Sherbet

      It’s as clear as the nose on lrh’s face. What possible good has cos done in its 60+ years of “change”? None. Citizens of the world can be violent, crude, and greedy, just as always.

    • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

      Oh, but Brussels surely “pulled this in” with all their nattering and SPs litigating against Mankind’s Only Hope™. Vile thoughts, yes, but believe me when I tell you that’s going through some of the more dedicated (brainwashed) Scientologist’s minds even as they cluck and tut about how sorry they are that this happened. Volunteer Ministers must be dispatched. WTH’s must be handed out. The world must be saved. For a fee.

      • dagobarbz

        I am 100% sure you are right. The ‘why’ is always a handy tool, reinforcing the good old siege mentality that keeps organizations like Scientology together at the org level.

  • Bob

    Regarding the news tweet from Australia. Nice to see Nora Crest on camera. Thanks Nora.
    Scientology is the apex of hypocrisy.
    Not ok to be gay or gay simpathetic unless you are Michele Stafford, John Travolta or Laura Prepon. Also seems that the second most dedicated scientologist in the world can’t pull it together enough to have a stable relationship. Straight or gay.
    Also the reason there is a preponderance of childish behavior in Scientology? They are stuck at the age they got into the cult. The promise of perpetual childhood.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      “The promise of perpetual childhood.”

      That’s a very good way of putting it. That SO member’s on-camera antics in the Seymour piece are proof.

    • Saint

      I once got into an absolute yelling match with a parent in the parking lot of a grocery store. I was talking about my best friend, who is gay, and the fun time we had at the bar. “Oh, why would you have a one-one as a friend? They can’t be trusted!” WTF are you talking about? It was on! I made a complete scene over this casual bigotry. And the thing that set me off was the “one one” look on their face as they accused my gay friend, whom they had never met, of being “one one.” Every gay friend I’ve ever had has been the least “one one” of anyone you’d ever meet. They were out, they were proud, they were loud. Not covert at ALL. Meanwhile, COS is covert about its own hostilities to gay people. #hateisaHubbardvalue

  • flyonthewall

    I tried to read the dox but then my brain fell out. I’m sorry. I failed you all

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Giant walls of text. As annoying as regular giant walls.

      • ze moo

        Donald Dumpf can fix that.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          He thinks he can, but he really can’t. The whole idea is stupid and if people who support this idea actually looked into the cost of building such a wall. SMFH Don’t get me started. LOL 😀

          • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft
          • seriouslyWTF

            Someone said this or something like this.
            “Show me a 10 foot wall and I’ll show you an 11 foot ladder”

            I worry about the animals that migrate or lose territory because of it.

            • gtsix

              Yeah.. build a wall, and watch how many tunnels are built under it.

        • Beth

          heeeeeeeeere’s Donny! f5

      • flyonthewall

        i hate walls. Windows too. Doors are ok though, long as they’re not attached to walls

        • Observer

          How do you feel about front porches?

        • Jerseygram

          Lol

        • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

          Windows never works right.

    • Draco

      The same thing happens to me any time I try to read any legal docs. So I just wait for those who can read them to make enlightened comments. Life’s too short.

      • chukicita

        Oh, you should though. The Houdek Affirmation is full of snark.

        • Draco

          I tried, fell asleep after 4 lines …

    • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

      Wordy McWordytext is wordy.

    • Juicer77

      Skip every fourth word and every instance of “herein.” You’re welcome.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    GOOOOOD!

  • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

    Is Ryan Hamilton’s Guidotti v. Narconon against Narconon Gulf Coast one of the ones that’s been settled?

    Scientology hit with 25th lawsuit by Las Vegas attorney as he goes after Florida rehab December 23, 2014, Tony Ortega, Underground Bunker

    • aquaclara

      Ah ha, I remember this one! Between your fabulous recall ability and your oh-so-convenient records archiving, we’ll be well-prepared for this trial.
      Thanks!

  • chukicita

    Didn’t Narconon Gulf Coast have to pay licensing fees to Narconon Int? And wouldn’t that by itself establish NGC as a church-approved “inroad to Scientology?”

  • Wog

    Scientology exploits vulnerable people out of money and free labor in exchange for absolutey nothing. . It is a precise science. The justice system used to call such behavior FRAUD.

  • chukicita

    For everyone who is not reading the wordy words, I invite you to start with dessert – the second course, by Dennis Houdek, I am imagining being read out loud by Don Lafontaine. The snark is palpable. I also want a soundtrack.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QPMvj_xejg

    • Sherbet

      “In a world…”

  • George Layton

    Things have gotten so bad that Narconon try’s to hide its connection to Narconon.

    • flyonthewall

      forget trying to switch to the left or right side of the horse, the horse itself is dying! Send that mofo to the glue factory

  • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

    “Needless to say” he says repeatedly, but says it anyway.
    And with the number of times defense counsel used “breathlessly”, he should be a romance novelist.

    • PickAnotherID

      It was a dark and stormy night when the narCONon shyster cried breathlessly, “Needless to say, I’m at a loss whether to continue, and lose the case for narCONON, or let loose the dogs of disaster and settle on our ashes.” (With apologies to Edward Bulwer-Lytton.)

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        Narconon lawyer claims that his clients don’t have clairvoyance. Pshaw! Next he’ll be claiming that they can’t find parking spaces.

  • aquaclara

    Wondering if the lawyer representing the Gores has had any experience with Scientology up to this point. Anybody know?

    • aquaclara

      I see their firm is Zukerman Gore Brandeis and Crossman, so while they may not have litigated Scientology before, I’m sure they have done their homework.
      Welcome, paralegals and attorneys. We wish you much luck in this case.

      • Frodis73

        I hope they also reached out to Hamilton…the sci stuff is so crazy and it’s never ending, Also hope he has lots of people helping to sort through the BS.

  • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

    Disappointment!

    Google for “Deborah Ross Scientology” got a Daily Mail hit “Happy Valley reviewed by Deborah Ross”
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-3496906/Happy-Valley-reviewed-Deborah-Ross-biggest-accolade-passed-Sopranos-test.html

    I was hoping for something on the Happy Valley RPF camp, but it’s that young Tom Cruise article in the sidebar that added Scientology to the mix.

  • Mark

    When he attends court this time, Tony will definitely have backup… (refresh balance on MTA Metrocard):

    • flyonthewall

      watch out Tony! UFO’s gonna getchya! ahhh!

      • Mark

        That’s no UFO—that’s a Horn & Hardart pumpkin pie!

        • dagobarbz

          Are you a Hoboken Squat Cobbler fan?

          • Mark

            No, just an unbroken snot-gobbler…

            • dagobarbz

              Do you pick your toes in Poughkeepsie?

            • Mark

              If I can get away with it 😉

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Where do you come up with these references? I’ve Googled more strange things because of you than I can remember….and I like it. That one’s not even a Brit one. You amaze me.

          • Mark

            Rosemary’s Baby (the book) :)

  • Robert Eckert

    Canada’s version of Trump has died:
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35872594

    • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

      Ford was Winston Churchill compared to Trump.

      • Robert Eckert

        Canada could never sink quite as low as we can.

        • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

          Indeed.
          We are the greatest country on earth.
          None so high. None so low.

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      That’s one battle everyone would have been happy to see him win.

  • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

    Blu By The Sea has two locations, 14 beds each, a total of 28 beds.

    Three month program, sell each bed four times a year.

    Charge $40,000ish per program.

    Gross income per year at max capacity = $4,480,000.

    • Kestrel

      They could double (or even triple) that if they worked the bunks in shifts.

      • dagobarbz

        What were you doing hanging around the San Diego Ideal Org property, kestrel?
        I have pix!

        • Kestrel

          I heard they had refreshments.

        • Juicer77

          What a beauty!

          • dagobarbz

            Right? He was nice enough to pose for my crappy camera with limited telephoto capabilities.

  • Observer

    Hey guys! All we have to do is stop saying “ISIS” and they’ll lose all their power!

    F5

    • Jimmy3

      AS-IS ISIS
      Great plan.

    • Newiga

      Isis is a goddess from the polytheistic pantheon of Egypt. She was first worshiped in Ancient Egyptian religion, and later her worship spread throughout the Roman Empire and the greater Greco-Roman world.

      The name Isis means “Throne”. Her headdress is a throne. As the personification of the throne, she was an important representation of the pharaoh’s power. The pharaoh was depicted as her child, who sat on the throne she provided. Her cult was popular throughout Egypt, but her most important temples were at Behbeit El-Hagar in the Nile delta, and, beginning in the reign with Nectanebo I (380–362 BCE), on the island of Philae in Upper Egypt.

      (Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis)

      https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9e/ba/75/9eba7592437aaa993ffbf33aa75d14b2.jpg

      • Graham

        The river Thames where it flows through Oxford is traditionally known as the Isis. Oxford University student magazine is called The Isis and lots of local businesses use the name (eg Isis Windows, Isis Innovation). http://www.oxfordtoday.ox.ac.uk/features/isis-name-problem

      • dagobarbz
      • Sherbet

        It was also the name of Lord Grantham’s (deceased) dog on Downton Abbey.

        • Frodis73

          That dog was beautiful. So cute when Robert brought her into bed with the both of them when she was sick.

          • Jimmy3

            Dammit I’m still on episode 1 stop spoiling it

            • Sherbet

              Just read the Cliffs Notes and save some time.

          • Sherbet

            I wondered if Isis had to leave the series because of the terrorist group’s name, or if the actor dog really passed away.

            • Frodis73

              Amazing she was around that long considering the show started in 1912 and ended in, well i forget when, but that dog was really old. Lol.

            • Sherbet

              Hahaha! The dog wanted more money in her contract, didn’t get it, and said, “I’m walkin’!”

            • Frodis73

              Woof! And put her paw down. Enough is enough ya know?

            • Sherbet

              I’ll say!

        • Jimmy3

          Dammit SPOILERS

          • Sherbet

            Oh, then you really don’t want to know what happened to O’Brien and Mr. Bates…

            • Jimmy3

              Kim and Norman?

            • Sherbet

              SPOILER!

      • Observer
    • Techie

      But… what is the definition of the word “is”?

      • Juicer77

        Go play your saxyphone, Bill.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I thought it was a sexy phone, no?

          • Juicer77

            Ew ew ew ew

          • Techie

            I thought it had something to do with cigars, could be my flaky memory… but I am sure I never had sex(TM) with that woman. What we had was way beyond what you are thinking about, Mr Prosecutor Sir.

    • flyonthewall

      that’s ridiculously offensive

    • Newiga

      I know, I know! It’s IAS!!

      • Observer

        Haha! Someone on Twitter should tweet that to her!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I would but blocked on first tweet.

          • Newiga

            Dang! You are effective! Tweet, shatter and get blocked.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Good grief, I’m blocked, too. I have no recollection of ever tweeting her!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              It’s almost like we’re on some kind of list :)

            • Newiga

              DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUN!

        • Frodis73

          We have to find somebody she hasn’t blocked yet. lol

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        jinx

      • Juicer77

        *snort*

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft
    • dagobarbz

      No, dear. It starts with an S and ends with a Y, with nine letters in between.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Slappyhappy? She’s talking about the boss?

    • JOE BLOW

      Kirstie’s words of wisdom always seem to help me get through my day. I’m changing my religious affiliation from this day forward to Kirstieology.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      IAS?

      • Juicer77

        Hey-OOOOOOOOOO!

    • Robert Eckert
      • Observer

        Wow

  • BosonStark

    Narconon can’t issue a refund on the $40,000 until their billion year waiting period is up, and then Xenu can sign off on it. And just because it’s a billion years and involves Xenu doesn’t mean it has anything to do with Scientology.

  • dagobarbz

    The Gores, like so very many others, should have googled Narconon before writing that check.

    All too often, they drop their kid off, THEN google it. oOPS. That’s doin it bass ackwards. You’d think by now, people would be savvy enough to look up a rehab that asks for large sums up front.

    Protip: most rehabs have a waiting list. Narconon ALWAYS has a bed!

    • dagobarbz

      Just call me Captain Obvious!

  • Tony Ortega

    “Hi this is xxxx from KABC calling from Los Angeles.”

    “Oh, hi.”

    “Can you tell us what time today the billboard event is happening?”

    “I just sent you a link about that.”

    “Yes, but I don’t see a time for the ceremony on it.”

    “I sent you a story to look at, at the link.”

    “Yeah, I looked at it. We know the location, but I can’t find a time for the event listed in the story.”

    “Um. What does the headline say on the story I sent you?”

    “It says, ‘Regency Outdoor caves to Scientology, cancels ‘disconnection’ billboard’.”

    “Right. What part of that are you not understanding?”

    “Yes, I understand that a billboard company turned them down initially.”

    “This is the second company, it also turned them down.”

    “But the time for today’s event…”

    “I can’t believe this is happening. Do you not understand that there’s no event because there’s no billboard?”

    “I understand. Is the family available for an interview?”

    “I can put them in touch with you, but do you understand that the story has changed? This is now about how two companies have turned them down.”

    “I understand. Can we talk to the family?”

    Whoa nelly.

    • Jimmy3

      So did they eventually find the correct time

    • Sherbet

      Sounds like Abbott and Costello.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Some cogs grind slowly.

      • flyonthewall

        did you mean some wogs grind slowly?? hur-hur-hur! Oh I’m writing that one down

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Oh, you!

          • ThetaBara

            Nice comment over on the Daily Fail yesterday! It had like a thousand upvotes (seriously, it did).

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Seeing your name pop up in my email was such a nice surprise! Another surprise was that they let my comment through as it said commenting had been closed on the article after publishing only 10 comments.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Delphi grad intern?

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      Check the brain power supply. Thinking seems to draw too much power, the voltage dips and the brain resets.

    • flyonthewall
    • Juicer77

      “Stupid or OSA?”
      Hey, I just invented a new party game for HowdyCon!!

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I was about to type “fishing or dense?” but your phrasing is much better.

        • Juicer77

          😉

      • Rasha

        That’s even better than “HubLibs”!!

        • Juicer77

          Those are good too!

      • dagobarbz

        Think of the fun to be had, if HowdyCon were in Los Angeles…

        • ThetaBara

          I’d be there, for one thing! Although perhaps not everyone would consider that “fun” – heh.

          • dagobarbz

            I would too…dressed as Xenu! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c7acf73b3f59c0a6ee090dd827a52efb135e51305ba0a752ca95f0e3e7bb720c.jpg

            Anyone recognise the cobbled street behind me?

            • ThetaBara

              Now THAT looks like fun! I don’t, is it LRH Way or something?

            • dagobarbz

              It sure is!

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              LRH way, you must be standing on the LA Org side of the sunny street.

            • dagobarbz

              That is an hysterically funny idea! Why did you not suggest it 10 years ago, Chuck? You know I woulda done it!

          • Ella Raitch

            Ah sweetheart. I’d love to meet you.

            • ThetaBara

              Likewise! Perhaps it can be a floating convention and come out here next year, then the east coast, and back to the midwest…

    • Science Doc

      Dude, where’s my car?

      • Juicer77

        Belly laugh!

      • SucculentDuck

        haha! tl;dr version –
        xxxx from KABC: aaaaaannnnnnnnd then?!?!
        T.O. : i refuse to play your mind games. i said no more and then!

    • Rasha

      It’s still early for them.

      • flyonthewall

        maybe she pooped her brain out with her latte enema?

    • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

      “Look, matey, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I’m looking at one right now.”

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      That is a tribute to Bob and Ray, right?

    • CheeZee ShoopZ

      This is why I watch local news ONLY during manmade or natural disasters.

    • Dice

      Sounds awful a lot like a scio in the other end, handling your “originations” with TR3?

    • phoebequeen

      Makes my head hurt now. Ouch.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Anyone need a “Scientology Dianetics THE CODE OF HONOR Plaque Wall Art L Ron Hubbard from 1985”? (Cheers, Perry.) It’s actual art.

    F5

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scientology-Dianetics-THE-CODE-OF-HONOR-Plaque-Wall-Art-L-Ron-Hubbard-from-1985-/162011334658?hash=item25b8a0c802%3Ag%3AqtAAAOSwoudW7KTc

    • Observer

      It’s so…so…aesthetic!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I can see this appearing in Tate Modern under the banner “study of beauty” or “philosophy of art”. It’s moving me to tears. Rather, it’s moving me to something. Nearer to the sick bucket, p’raps.

        • Sherbet

          16. Clean old bag lunches out of the org refrigerator every Friday.
          17. Put the seat DOWN. Women work here too, you know.
          18. Last one out, turn off the lights.

    • Graham

      “Never permit your affinity to be alloyed”. Hmm… nope, I’m going to need a translator for that one.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I think it means, you know, when you take your car to the garage to have the rims re-chromed.

        • Graham

          But I don’t own an Affinity. Does it work the same on a Golf?

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Heehee 😀

      • pluvo

        It means something like if you like someone you should not allow anybody to interfere with this – as for example the ‘ethics’ personal (thought police) of the CoS does when they label people and demand the ‘voluntary’ disconnections.

        Church of Scientology = contradictions and hypocrisy

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      LOH! I’m seeing some adverts at the bottom of that page:

      • flyonthewall

        oh god! that’s great

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Stylish!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Ooh, available in diff styles, colors, men and women’s.

      • Observer

        Refresh

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          LOL again – that FSM should consider new market horizons.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          That is amazing!

      • Juicer77

        XD

      • Sherbet

        I didn’t even know Ron was at Woodstock! Live and learn.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist
          • Sherbet

            Must be him at the top of the bus — his mouth is open.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Worse – he’s the hippie driving :) F5

            • Sherbet

              I’d like to say “groovy,” but I absolutely can’t.

            • daytoncapri

              somehow, you know that room really smells bad

          • Draco

            Added Hubs for you – F5

            • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

              It’s not like his name was really Hubbard…
              ..

            • Draco

              Wilson!!!! You found him!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Sold by “FSM4LRH”. It’s not like we didn’t already know that honor could be bought for a price, but advertising it openly, that’s really special.

    • Graham

      Interesting small print prefacing the Code: “No one expects a code of honor to be closely and tightly followed”. Yeah Ron, sure thing.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Your eyesight is an awful lot better than mine!

        • Graham

          Click on the e-bay image and you get an enlarged version.

      • Juicer77

        He sure liked his postscripts… “And that Fair Game thing? Yeah, that’s totally still on.”

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        They forgot: “Any attempt to use this to counter a policy or command-intention will result in a horrible failure. This is true.”

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Australia’s 7news delivers a superb smackdown on Scientology’s official statement in response to Nora’s story.

    https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/31164684/more-info-statement-from-the-church-of-scientology/

    • Sherbet

      Excellent work by 7news!

      • flyonthewall

        indubitably!

    • Science Doc

      Where s Nora’s story?

      • Sherbet

        Go to yesterday’s Bunker. Tony has a link in his post up top.

    • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

      Yay.
      Superb smackdown indeed.
      Need more media fact-checking their bullshit.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Notice that Sci response does Not refute the fact that they are homophobic! Absolutely the best response is quoting the Hub himself. heh heh

      Sci’s opening statements always make me wanna toss my cookies:
      “As a minority group we understand what it is like to be discriminated against and persecuted. We are staunch defenders of human rights.” *runs for nearest toilet*

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        BARF!

      • Sherbet

        I think you’re having the same problem with the text that I did. “The Facts” is not identified as coming from the news source and looks like it’s part of scientology’s statement. Also, the sci response should have been in quotes to make it obvious that it’s a sci statement, followed by 7news’s response (The Facts).

      • pluvo

        “We are staunch defenders of human rights.”

        Hey OSA, tell the COB; he doesn’t know about it;

  • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft
    • Sherbet

      Every time I read “Blu By The Sea” I think of those fake cigarettes called “Blu.” Is there a connection, do you think? Narconon is full of hot air? Looks like the real thing but is fake? Costs a lot of money? Doesn’t stop addiction, just transfers it to a different device? Is nothing more substantial than mist and vapor?

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      That reminds me of a box of Dioralyte Powder for the treatment of diarrhoea – F5

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        Here’s an old Narconon symbol that I’ve never seen before, looks Lovecraftian:

        • Sherbet

          The theta side looks like the frowning face of someone who’s zonked out on something.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I wonder what the symbology is of that. I think the wibbly “N” that looks like a gibbon swinging through the trees is to symbolise the fact the chimps have taken over the zoo.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            N for Narconon, symbol on left is symbol for Theta, symbol on right is Omega, and then triangle is the Scientology symbol. Omega in the sense of ending. I don’t remember who designed this – maybe some other here?

          • ze moo

            It takes a lot of pcp to make me see things like that.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I’m high on life, Ze. High on life 😀

            • ze moo

              Life goes better with beer.

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            That is clearly a simian flinging excrement (with the theta as the head and the omega as the flung item!)

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        I guess they didn’t get the memo:

        http://www.rehabnz.co.nz/pages/core-drug-addiction.html

        NARCONON® ADDRESSES CORE OF DRUG ADDICTION

        By Luke Catton luke@stopaddiction.com
        President, Narconon Arrowhead®

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Whoa!

        • aquaclara

          I give Luke a ton of credit for leaving and speaking out. What a great way to turn the page, and help turn the tide.

          Hey Luke, thank you.

  • flyonthewall

    Hey Scientology! Everyone hates you and no one wants to play with you!! :p Seriously though, you suck big time

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Is that a young Prince William with Diana?

      • flyonthewall

        idk who those people are so I’m going to say….yes

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          That’s not you?

          • flyonthewall

            i wish it was me, apparently the kid is some kind of big deal. I thought it was just some brat sticking his tongue out :)

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I think he was demonstrating his still extant love of the Press.

      • Juicer77

        That’s Harry of course! I remember this! I think it’s the nanny with him.

        • Draco

          I thought Harry too. Just like him 😀

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Ahh it was Hazza! I would not turn him down.

          • MrsLurksALot

            Love him!

          • Juicer77

            It cracks me up when people say he looks like the bodyguard, or whoever. He is CLEARLY a Spencer. Look at Diana’s brother.

            • Draco

              He also resembles Charles. There is no denying that both boys are his. The family resemblance grows stronger as they grow older.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Yup, as much as we wanted that juicy rumour to be true, he’s the image of Charles Spencer.

    • Rasha

      Looks like his head spins all the way around. Is that one of those “Royal bloodline” things, like “Hapsburg Lippe”?

      • Juicer77

        LOL

      • flyonthewall

        i hope so, nothing but good can come from generations of inbreeding

        • Sherbet

          Prince Charles’s ears?

  • http://scicrit.wordpress.com Once_Born

    It seems to me that is a systemic contradiction in Scientology that is due to Hubbard’s inability to acknowledge that he could possibly be wrong about anything.This, along with the fact that the present management of the CofS does not have the imagination or the ability to change anything is what makes Narconon such a liability.

    Hubbard opened his career as a guru with the dianetics fad. Despite having converted John W Campbell the editor of “Astounding Science Fiction” into a ‘true believer, and receiving priceless free publicity through the magazine ( https://scicrit.wordpress.com/fight-scientology-link-rot-send-me-a-file/ ) dianetics failed in only a few years. Hubbard was bankrupt and had lost control over his own creation.

    The problem is that he made so many claims for dianetics that could be falsified – .e.g. that it could improve eyesight an IQ, cure more than 70% of physical diseases and all mental illnesses without exception… It wasn’t long before practitioners were being accused of fraud and practising medicine without a licence. The hype was unsustainable because all of these claims could be clearly shown to be false. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/11/01/what-did-l-ron-hubbard-learn-from-the-failure-of-dianetics/

    Of course, Hubbard bounced back with Scientology, and soon adopted what he called “the religion angle” transforming specific, objective claims into rather diffuse ‘spiritual’ ones, and hid behind the US first amendment.

    The interesting thing is that, after Scientology became established, Hubbard managed to recover control over dianetics. Instead of discarding this failure, he incorporated it into Scientology as a sort of ‘legacy practice’. Consequently, Scientologist’s today still try to introduce people to the CofS by selling them a copy of “Dianetics” with all of those crazy claims still intact in the text. He simply could not bear to acknowledge that dianetics had been a practical failure because it had exposed him to indefensible legal liability.

    A better con-man would have consistently adopted the ‘religion angle’ and discarded all the rest. Hubbard’s vanity would not let him do this. To his mind every word that he had written was eternal wisdom., and had to be preserved .

    It wasn’t just dianetics, either. Scientology doctrine seems to have alternated between legally safe ‘spiritual’ claims and legally vulnerable objective claims. Narconon is a perfect example of the latter. Scientifically, it’s claims to cure addiction are completely nonsensical – it’s just Scientology in disguise https://scicrit.wordpress.com/narconon-scientology/

    The only reason Narconon has survived for as long as it has is that, for years, the CofS had the money and organisational ability to hold the lawyers at bay. However, today, Narconon is costing them more to defend than it bringing in, has become a PR calamity, and their organisational ability is slipping as their membership declines. The lawyers are closing in.

    Narconon’s problems derive from Hubbard’s vanity – he really thought he could never be shown to be wrong, and could not resist making claims that were obvious nonsense. ‘The religion angle’ was a unethical, but effective tactic – but he was too arrogant, deluded and vain to apply it consistently.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I have to give Miscavige a lot of credit though – he’s taken the Narconon angle to whole new vistas and raised it to the level of cash cow like never before. And I also have to give credit for it’s duration to the powers that be that won’t fund mental health and addiction treatments. Wherever there’s a proliferation of scam artists, there is a law that is flawed or missing entirely and/or funding inadquate or missing entirely.

      • http://scicrit.wordpress.com Once_Born

        Miscavige’s greed is backfiring on him now, however.

      • sashiebgood

        and the failure of narconon (and other “religious” rehab facilities) to actually get anyone into reliable recovery mode is part of the stigma that follows addicts around. Sure, anyone can white knuckle their way thru s 28 day program, but when the legal system gets involved – and it almost always does in people with serious addiction – they don’t care that the recovery program one entered into was a sham. they just see that the person relapsed after a stint in rehab. it makes recovery harder when the effort was never designed to keep one clean to begin with, not to mention a person (or their family) who just dropped 30 grand on a treatment scheme that was false. it’s hard enough to get an addict to commit to treatment. to then put them in an environment that’s designed to, at best, get them to trade one addiction for another (turning them into religious fanatics) to milk money out of then is just sick and twisted and wrong.

  • pat k

    Nora’s story is not only at fishwrapper.com but the article begins with the billboard ‘call me’ . disconnection is wrong. OH & tmz has a link to it.

    • Juicer77

      That is super!

    • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

      “The billboard” as a protest sign.
      Very nice.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      That’s Steve Jones holding the banner :)

      • pat k

        I was so excited when I saw it I could barely compose myself to type!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I am thrilled!

      • Jimmy3

        There are more Jones’es???? It’s hard to keep up.

  • Juicer77

    I would love to see statistics of the negative articles about $camatology from 1980 until today. It seems that since the media has figured out Mismanage won’t sue, it’s becoming downright fashionable to write about their dirty laundry. Aeger, has anybody done a count on your article lists? I have to take a closer look and see how far they go back.

    • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

      And, with recently cited Australian media retorts to the “Nora” story, we may see the inklings of actual fact-checking of their claims and “statements”.

      • Juicer77

        Way past time!

  • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

    “Nora”.
    I love names, especially ones that have deep meaning.

    And I am often amazed by the apparent relationship between the name and the persona.

    Nora = Honor.
    Very apropos for this one, so brave. She lives up to it.

    “Nora or Norah is an Italian, English, Irish, Scandinavian and Baltic feminine personal name. It mainly originates as a short form of Honora (also Honoria), a common Anglo-Norman name, ultimately derived from the Latin word Honor (with that meaning). In other European use the name may also originate as a short form of Eleonora or Eleanor

    The Irish Nóra is likewise probably an Irish form of Honora. A diminutive form of Nóra is Nóirin; this name has numerous Anglicised forms, such as: Noreen, Norene, and Norine.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nora_(name)

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I love that :)

      • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

        You may have known this:
        Andrea:

        Origin of the name

        It derives from the Greek ἀνήρ (anēr), genitive ἀνδρός (andrós), that indicates the man as opposed to the woman (while man in the meaning of human being is ἄνθρωπος, ánthropos, ἀνθρώπου, anthrópou). The original male Greek name, Andréas, (directly etymologically related to andras/άνδρας, man/adult male, husband) represents the hypocoristic, with endearment functions, of male Greek names composed with the andr- prefix, like Androgeos (man of the earth), Androcles (man of glory), Andronikos (man of victory). The same root ἀνδρ-, andr- denoting the male gender is found e.g. in misandry (the hatred of the male sex), andrology (male physiology), androgens (male hormones) and polyandry (the practice of taking more than one husband at the same time).
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea

        One may superimpose their own interpretations.
        Mine involves the whole yin/yan thingy.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          In many European countries people look at me oddly when I tell them my name because, as you said, it’s most commonly a male name. There’s a very weird thing with the name Andrew in our family, and there’s absolutely no reason for it – mum and dad just seemed to really, REALLY like it!

          They were certain I was going to be a boy so had Andrew lined up for me – hence Andrea when I surprised them by being a girl. When my first brother came along they decided it would be silly to have another Andrea/Andrew in the family, but they loved the name so much they called him David Andrew. Then my second brother was born and they said “bugger it”, and called him Andrew John!! Madness 😛

          • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

            Its all good.
            And a fantastic story.

          • daytoncapri

            My cousin in Germany is named Helge, with an “e” ending, i.e., the masculine form of Helga. He says he gets odd looks, too.

            I worked with an Andrea. Like you, she was well-liked, and the name played just fine here in Ohio.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Heeeey, thanks! In the UK, US, Canada, Oz etc., I think Andrea is quite normal for girls. I’m Andy to my dad so I guess that covers the whole boy thing :)

    • Robert Eckert

      Actually, Eleanor is a long form for Nora: a duke of Aquitaine liked the name Nora so well that he named two of his daughters that, and the younger one came to be called Alienora “the other Nora” and this became a recurrent name in the Aquitainian family, until the Eleanor of Aquitaine who divorced the king of France to marry the king of England and made it a famous name Europe-wide.

      • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

        Indeed.
        Inversely “Sandra” to “Cassandra” (one of my favorite names reflecting Greek myth).
        Correct me if I’m wrong (and I’m sure you will), she was gifted with prophesy, but fated to not be believed.
        Oh man, that’s the blues.

        • Robert Eckert

          You are correct.

          • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

            I had to research this, and was going to post the Elvis Costello (frequently mis-understood), instead of the Animals’, more widely known version.

            I found the songwriters,

            “Don’t Let Me Be Misunderstood” is a song written by Bennie Benjamin, Gloria Caldwell and Sol Marcus for the jazz singer and pianist Nina Simone, who first recorded it in 1964. ”
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_Let_Me_Be_Misunderstood

            and this:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckv6-yhnIY

            • Robert Eckert
            • Sherbet

              What’s that, the Black Dahlia and her All Girl Marimba Band?

            • Robert Eckert

              I have no idea. My Facebook feed sends me the weirdest stuff.

            • Sherbet

              I think the bass fiddle player is having a seizure.

            • Observer

              Old-timey attention whore. Gadzooks

            • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

              A greater group of female xylophonists you’ll never see.

            • Sandy

              Oh, man. That’s beautiful.

          • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

            Don’t you feel like that often?

  • Observer

    Ron’s Target Two meat sack is a bit different than the Teegeeack version.

    http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyore0jFi91qe2aa8o1_400.gif

    • Rasha

      KRANKOR!!!!! HAAAAAAA……….haaaa……………haaaaa……….haaaaa…..

    • Juicer77

      “So you know about my rash?!.”

  • nottrue
    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Page from Dianetics – F5

      Thanks, Betsy Manning :)

      • Dice

        So!… Hubsy perverted sexuality and the entire human race on This Page! We are all doomed on the next page!

    • Kestrel

      The “The Facts” section certainly provided an effective counter-punch to scientology’s official statement.

    • daisy

      Exchange specific ideas. That would require you to have one.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Posting this clever classic for any newbies.

    https://youtu.be/UnUbdAw9V4Y

    • http://infertilitywarriors.blogspot.com/ Princess Squishy

      that’s good, thank you for posting it, I haven’t seen it before

      • Robert Eckert

        Glad it’s catching some newcomers, it is an old fave.

    • salin

      It is always fun to see.

  • http://infertilitywarriors.blogspot.com/ Princess Squishy

    O/T and maybe it’s already been discussed, but did anybody see the ‘At Midnight’ last week with Jenna Elfman? It aired 12:00am Friday on Comedy Central, and I was shocked to see her on there because people on that show have made a lot of Scientology/LRH jokes in the past. If you aren’t familiar with the show it is kind of like improv, hosted by Chris Hardwick, and he has on three comedians and they have various games based on news and stuff that happened on the internet that day, and the comedians buzz in to answer questions with a funny answer. I don’t usually stay up that late on weekdays so I record it and watch it later with Mr. Squishy, and we watched that one yesterday. When I saw Elfman listed as one of the comedians on the panel I told Mr. Squishy I was surprised to see her there because she is a Scientologist (he didn’t know). After I told him that we started watching the episode and he suddenly hated everything she said with a vengeance. He had to get up and leave the room, he refused to watch that episode with her. I was just wondering if anybody else watched it. I think the episodes are all available on Comedy Central’s website.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      How is she at improv? Could she handle herself?

      Sucks that I can’t use “handle” in a legitimate way any more without it feeling wrong. I hate Scientology for misappropriating words.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Add to that “clear” and “data.”

        Here’s a link to the full ep on the CC website, if anyone’s interested:
        http://www.cc.com/full-episodes/c79w0c/-midnight-with-chris-hardwick-extended—thursday–march-17–2016—uncensored-season-3-ep-03080

        I’m watching it now. She’s…not very good. And her affect is…odd.

        • http://infertilitywarriors.blogspot.com/ Princess Squishy

          yep, you see why Mr. Squishy had to leave the room?

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            I don’t blame him.

      • Jimmy3

        The show is scripted anyway. It doesn’t even feel like improv

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Cheers, President Elect Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy :)

          • Jimmy3

            I promise I’m going to build a wall, but just for personal, recreational use. Rock wall climbing is a hobby of mine.

            • Sherbet

              Please tell us the first thing you’ll do, immediately after the inauguration, will be to end cos’s tax exempt status. Then you can build your wall.

            • Jimmy3

              Then I will declare war on this fucking autocorrect

            • flyonthewall

              personal, relational use? You going to hump the wall?

            • Jimmy3

              Not on the first date

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              That’s a wall I can get behind, Senator. Or, like, you know you can get those blocks of stripy ice-cream? A wall made out of ice-cream blocks would be a winner on the stump.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I’m going to need to know your stance on legalizing weed. Talk to me Candidate J3. :)

            • Jimmy3

              Yes

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Do I make the check out to James James James? :)

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Yeah, the guests obviously write their stuff ahead of time. But they write their own. They must, because no professional comedian would script the lines Jenna spouts out in this episode. She is gods-awful.

          • http://infertilitywarriors.blogspot.com/ Princess Squishy

            Yeah she wasn’t good

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              She’s just not very subtle or creative. She goes right for the dick jokes.

            • sashiebgood

              why does that not surprise me? I have never found her at all appealing, even less so now knowing she’s a scibot. it really amazes me that this no talent, not very attractive woman has a following and that people actually listen to what she has to say. it makes me sad for the state of this country. I mean, no one really has to listen to what I have to say either (except maybe my husband and child), but you guys here are nice enough to humour me sometimes. but I’m not a D list celebrity who spouts straight up nonsense about chemtrails and my husband doesn’t tweet about anal bleaching, so I feel like I bring a little more to the table than she does. God, how I loathe her.
              ETA: fixed autocorrection from “analysis” to “anal”

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I never paid any attention to her till I started watching scientology and found out she was involved. Otherwise, I would have gone on happily overlooking her. I try to set my default switch to sympathy for people trapped in the CoS, even the “celebs.” I would like to see her out because I would like to see everyone out. But if I had to prioritize a list of people to spring first, she sure as shit wouldn’t make the top bracket.

        • http://infertilitywarriors.blogspot.com/ Princess Squishy

          Yeah that’s what I was saying to i-Betty, I don’t think it’s actually improv, but it still can’t be written just a few hours ahead since they are using same day news.

      • http://infertilitywarriors.blogspot.com/ Princess Squishy

        She wasn’t great. I’m not sure if it’s actually improv either, but the jokes at least are written the same day, because they are using news stories from that day.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Ah, I see. Perhaps it’s like our “Have I Got News for You?” which is a topical news-comedy-improv show (which I suspect is written a little beforehand but is still excellent).

          • http://infertilitywarriors.blogspot.com/ Princess Squishy

            yeah mine is just a suspicion also, but I just don’t think that every comedian that ever comes on this show can think up such great jokes in the moment like that. Makes me think they are given topics at least an hour or so before.

          • http://infertilitywarriors.blogspot.com/ Princess Squishy

            Also her first joke was about abortion and abortion rights which considering the SO’s forced abortion policy seemed in poor taste.

      • Mark

        Just think of the Danish word for “bookshop” whenever that happens in future, Andrea: boghandel 😉

      • daisy

        Bets see review above and you can bet your ass nothing was improved, but for certain she did not come up for herself even the bad made worse joke

    • Frodis73

      I just noticed you have a blog about IF. I started reading it from the beginning…very cool. I have POF so we are in the same boat in a lot of ways.
      Great story about Jenna. I can’t stand her and it’s hilarious that your hubby had to leave the room. She does that. Like you, a lot of us are bummed out that Hardwick has her involved with his site.

      • http://infertilitywarriors.blogspot.com/ Princess Squishy

        thanks, I haven’t done too much writing on it in the past couple years, but it was pretty therapeutic for a couple of years.

        • Frodis73

          Looking back, I wish I would have done that myself. I was so angry…I mean like really angry, for a long time. It would have been much healthier to vent via a blog than the choices I made. :-) I did read a bit of your last entries, so it seems that it definitely helped you. Hugs though, from somebody that has been there.

          • http://infertilitywarriors.blogspot.com/ Princess Squishy

            Yeah I think most of us deal with that anger. I know after my first bout of depression, all my other bouts were more anger oriented that sadness oriented.

            • Frodis73

              Lol, I know about the biting heads off…hubby def got the worst of it, but everybody was fair game most of the time.
              No, unfortunately, we didn’t have the financial means to try egg donation/implantation. I am 43 (and divorced now) so I have pretty much come to terms that it’s just not going to happen for me. Did you do any treatments? I’m sure I will get to that section on your blog, but I’m impatient. :-) I was part of an online support group for years and the stories of people doing treatment and dealing with the “two week wait” were so devastating at times.
              Hopefully, next time around I’ll pick up a better body and change that. HA! F you scientology, we only get one life, better run with the one you got!

            • http://infertilitywarriors.blogspot.com/ Princess Squishy

              The only thing we tried was Clomid, which is supposed to make you ovulate. It also turns you into a raving lunatic. For me it had a cumulative effect, each month I was worse, even though I was taking the same dose. (refresh)

            • Frodis73

              Lol, those are funny. I have heard the stories. When they were trying to figure out what was wrong with me I was heavily doses one month…I was a total bitch. When my boss found out what was going on she was so relieved…she said it all made sense now and that I was off the hook. Lol…I knew I was a bit hormonal, but didn’t realize it was that bad.

    • pat k

      Have not watched it yet….but that show is taped here for ‘the kids’. Craig Ferguson has a show on history channel called ‘join or die’. They did one on cults and weaved things well.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I love Mr Squishy’s attitude!

      • http://infertilitywarriors.blogspot.com/ Princess Squishy

        he was sick that day too, so he was not in the mood for anybody’s crap, bad jokes, or poor comedic timing

    • daisy

      I saw her, she was the worst. Not because she is the worst as a human, she was insanely bad as a comic, she had no timing and oversold all the answers. They would literally would have been more funny if she read them. Instead she pulled out her manic, cute think she thinks is funny, she should stick to entertaining at the stables.

    • BlueHeronBay

      Completely agree. And did J. Elfman fail to notice that she was appearing on a Comedy Central show? The home of “South Park”? Shouldn’t she be boycotting them? Also disappointed in Hardwick. The Nerdist podcast interviews with Cruise, Jason Lee, and Elfman were bad enough, but now… Hardwick should check with frequent @midnight guest Paul F. Tompkins about what HE thinks of Scientology.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    The burning of the documents was clearly spoilation of evidence. As punishment, Narconon is prohibited from bringing up certain defenses at trial. That could be a meaningless punishment, I don’t know. Having a judge recognize that Narconon was ordered to burn everything could be priceless in future litigation when an “outraged” Narconon insists it has never destroyed potential evidence. I wonder how quickly Narconon et al will move to settle this rather than go to what may be a very embarrassing trial?

    • ze moo

      I bet they have an insurance policy that requires the insurance company to pay for their defense up to a certain limit. So far, it’s not Gulf Coast’s money. So expect the usual delay, obfuscate and head fake that is the clampires modus operandi. The destruction of evidence has already happened and will probably happen again.

      Is there any link between Gulf Coast and Sun Coast? I think they have different owners. The ‘franchise’ arrangement might shield NarCONon and the upper levels of the clampire for a while longer. With the disappearance of NarCONon International, the money trail leads more directly to the ‘social betterment’ side of the scam.

  • ze moo

    5000 pages of discovery? Yes, all those Lron books do run on and on and so on and so forth….

    Red and greens? The reds are or were downers in the Cheech and Chong Universe.

    The defendants did destroy evidence that had been subpoenaed. They are barred from some arguments and defenses in the trial. They should have had to pay for the spoliation and time violations. Unfortunately, the court has a very high bar for monetary sanctions, a bar that the plaintiffs could not jump over.

    Plantiffs lawyers: John Crossman, Jesenia De la Torre Join the pantheon of heroes.

    • flyonthewall
      • flyonthewall

        holy shit! youtube music vid plus gif in same comment equals gif w/audio!!

        • Jimmy3

          This revolutionary technology must not fall into the wrong hands.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          This is big. This is very big.

          • flyonthewall

            my gift to mankind. Use it wisely

    • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

      A process server in the Cheech and Chong Universe shows up in Hemet . . .
      Process Server: Excuse me, I have papers for Mr. Miscavige.
      Scientologist: Dave’s not here.

  • Tracy Schmitz

    HI EVERYONE! OFF TOPIC BUT here in the midwest on HLN (headline news network) just finished a few moments ago the documentary from last year 2015 “CHILDREN FOR SALE, the fight to end human trafficking” and the description on my tv guide as follows ” jada pinkett smith investigates human trafficking by focusing on atlanta where she interviews prosecutors, victims, advocates and traffickers themselves” SAY WHAT??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..

    she and her husband as great friends of top goon and dabbling in the abusive money scam cult littered with human trafficking and child slave labor!..

    WAS THIS unbelievable don’t know the word mention here on the underground bunker last year or at anytime? you talk about the ultimate the epitome the proverbial “pot calling the kettle black!’…

    i wanted to tweet her but i know i’ll get banned by speaking my mind!

    • flyonthewall

      it’s ok to get blocked on twitter, it barely hurts at all

      • Lucille Austero

        It really depends. If you blocked me, that would be like, meh. But if Jimmy blocked me, I would be all sad 😉

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Oh! Oh she burned you, Fly! Whatcha gonna do?

          • flyonthewall

            find the right gif…

        • flyonthewall

          • Lucille Austero

            Is this a Game of Thrones guy? I heart GoT!

            • flyonthewall

              idk GoT, I just liked the gif :) This is the 2nd time today I did that. Earlier I posted a gif of Prince Harry as a kid and I had no idea it was him, people started going on about the royal family. It was a mess

            • Sejanus

              It is Oscar Isaac I think.
              He seems to be the “it” guy at the moment.

        • Jimmy3

          Lucille… There was touching… So much touching….
          :(

          • Lucille Austero

            Dear Person Who Purports To Be Jimmy: meh.

            • Jimmy3

              Well then it is settled: meh.

        • Robert Eckert

          You picked a fine time to block me, Lucille…

    • Chee Chalker

      Don’t worry! I’ll do it.

      • Lucille Austero

        Comment in wrong spot. Move along.

        • Chee Chalker

          I try to comment on most recent tweet as I’m not sure how much any ‘celeb’ looks at these things anyway.

    • Lucille Austero

      Jada’s assistant will block you. Jada will never know.

  • outraged

    Another website has picked up Billboardgate 👍 👍 👍
    http://www.fishwrapper.com/post/2016/03/22/the-iceman-cometh-or-maybe-maverick-but-definitely-sadness-the-sadness-cometh/
    kudos to fishwrapper!
    f5

    • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

      It’s actually a story about Nora with no mention of the billboard, except for the photo.

      • outraged

        cowards.

        • Frodis73

          I’m pretty sure they did cover the billboard last week…or maybe week before? I swear somebody posted a link to them, cause I thought they only did celeb trash. In this case I don’t think they are being cowards…kinda cool the sign is on display, though not directly related to Nora.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)
    • flyonthewall

      where you been bro!?? You think you can just take off like that and not tell nobody nuthin!?? What if *sniff* what if you got hurt and *sniff* and…YOU SHOULDA CALLED!!!

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Sorry – I hadn’t planned on being way for this long. I sometimes forget that you guys can’t see me even if I’m lurking and watching you.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          We would never give your bar stool away. Hope everything’s okay, Johnny?

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            You can always lend it to the ghost of Howdy – I wouldn’t mind that 😉

            All is well on the northern front. Nothing special going on, just laying low for a few days. Miss you guys though!

        • flyonthewall

          ((hugs)) *cough* I mean…*pat on the back*

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Right back atcha, buddy!

        • Ella Raitch

          Now that’s just creepy…lurking? watching?

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            As if you haven’t been there and done that 😉

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Hi Johnny! This makes me wonder. The Daily Mail isn’t known for being a friend to Scientology so I wonder what sort of juicy gossip they dug up on a member of the Cruise family only to be offered this Bella story to make it go away.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Hi Andrea! This story isn’t all that juicy regarding scientoology (in fact they only ask if Bella and her husband are still in), so it couldn’t have been that big – if there was another story.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I’ve just finished reading it and it’s one of those “news” stories where the subjects actually say less than 50 words which are then spun into a lengthy article which says nothing much at all.It’s great to see you!

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            That’s the Daily Mail for ya! Love it when they repeat themselves 3 or 4 times in the same article as well, just to make it longer :-/

            • Frodis73

              They crack me up with that stuff…as if nobody will notice. they totally don’t care though as they get called out all the time about stuff like that.

          • MrsLurksALot

            I know what you are saying. The Daily Mail probably had some real dirt and were offered this “interview” instead. Hush hush on the dirt, we’ll make a deal instead. And, Bella gets to reaffirm her Sci beliefs, so win for the TC team. Hmmmmm.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          It’s not juicy, but maybe there’s a story in the subtext. Neither set of parents went to the wedding. His parents say they didn’t go because they didn’t want the media circus. Bella implies she’s still in touch with her own parents. She’s staying out of Hollywood and sticking with a trusted set of friends (I don’t know much about her, so I don’t know if her friends are scilons or not). I don’t know…maybe it’s just a whole lotta nothing, maybe there are some clues buried in there somewhere…

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      I like that her hubby is apparently not a scientologist.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Yeah, and it doesn’t really sound like she’s too heavily into it either.

      • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

        She’s doing her best to shed celebrity, I have hopes that she will shed the other cult eventually. She seems a thoughtful person from what little she’s shown of herself. The media always portrays her as rather sad, choosing images of her glaring at the camera, or following behind Tom and Katie while they carried Suri in their arms. It can’t be easy to grow up in the shadow of two glamorous celebrity parents when the last thing you care about is being a glamorous celebrity.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        But he says she’s “still active,” however you want to interpret that.

        • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

          I would laugh my ass off if it turns out she married Anon. Dude is in IT field. One can hope.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Seems a stretch, but I say bring on the spy games!

            • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

              Heck, for all we know they both might be reading our comments right now. Tony said once that if we knew who reads this blog, our craniums would explode or something.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              But do they apply highlighter tech, like OSA?

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        I wonder if he’s already being pressured to take classes, come to events, etc.? No matter her status as Mrs. Tom Miscavige’s daughter, I’m wondering how long it will be before hubby not being on board with Co$ will become a problem?

        • Frodis73

          mrs tom miscavige-lol

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            I’m convinced that it is true love between Dave and Tom.

            I can see them now, exchanging Infinity rings and basking in their shared narcissism. :)

    • salin

      Good to see you Johnny Tank, I have missed crossing paths with you.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Same to you, Salin! I’ve just been laying low for a few days. Had some other stuff I had to do. Nice to know I have been missed 😉

        • daisy

          I am glad you are back too. No one else upvotes my drinking. Also I imagine you hot.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            I upvote you because I love your dry wit and twisted sense of humor – if that is a result of your drinking, then so be it.

            I’m not really that hot, and when I am hot I usually just open a window.

    • Frodis73

      Anybody else find the comments that his (Max) mom made about not meeting her parents odd? I guess not in 2015, but her comment that ‘they are just people’ seemed weird to me. I am going with my gut on this one…there is more to this whole story. I do hope Bella is happy though and is getting away from sci and her dad.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I did find it odd. Celebrities or not – you would want to meet your son/daughter in-law’s parents.

        • Frodis73

          Glad it wasn’t just me. It just jumped out at me. Plus the fact that his parents were not there either seemed odd.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Maybe the party afterwards was ‘not suitable for parents’.

            • Frodis73

              Let’s hope so, for Bella’s sake…that girl needs to live.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Yeah, and the quote was confusing, or badly edited:

        “Asked if she wanted to meet them Beverly says: ‘No, no, there’s need for that.’ “

        • Frodis73

          Yes! Wth?

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Blah, blah, blah Bella….you were adopted by famous people….and that’s about it…..but yes, please let me read an interview about your life. I’m sure it’s fascinating. *eyeroll*

      There are at least 20 people in the Bunker I’d rather read interviews with. Daily Fail.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        It’s not like she’s begging for attention – in fact she doesn’t seem to care much for it.

        I do however agree with you on your last sentence :-)

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Yeah, I hate to be harsh on the kid. I’m sure growing up with that nightmare as a father and then Co$ on top of that was no picnic, I just hate these interviews, it’s like…..who cares?? I feel the same way about the Kardashians.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            I have no idea what the offspring of a major (has been) celebrity has to go through in everyday life, but I am sure it can be pretty hard. The Kardashians though, they want all the attention they can get, so I’m not giong to defend them in any way.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              *sigh* If only someone had destroyed that sex tape before it was ever seen. We might still only know the name Kardashian due to the OJ trial. I miss those innocent days before we knew any of the rest of the family.

            • Frodis73

              Sigh. I would love that world. :-)

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              The world was doing just fine without their fame – and then it all went tits up, as we say in the UK.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Hehehe!! “Tits up” I love that UK saying. :)

            • MaxSpaceman

              Yes- Robert Kardashian, the dick wadd, was enough in and of himself

            • Robert Eckert

              Although I did watch the entirety of the OJ Simpson trial (I was unemployed and housebound and had nothing better to do), I had completely forgotten the existence of Robert Kardashian by the time the Kardashians came to my attention, and the name did not ring a bell at all. It was not until last October, after a couple of years of not knowing why in the world anybody had even heard of Kardashians, that I was finally clued in (although that tenuous connection to something well-known still does not clear up the mystery: we aren’t constantly told about the doing of the Kaelin family, after all).

      • Sherbet

        NVM. :-)

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I edited….my mouth/fingers were moving faster than my brain. 😀

          • Sherbet

            OK. I’ll edit, too. I thought maybe you were the midwife on the case or something.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              No worries hon. You don’t have to edit if you don’t want to. I most definitely got it wrong the first time. ; )

  • Panopea Abrupta

    I was making a grogger for Purim
    There’s a kind of saw called a coping saw.
    I think DM will need to buy a few to cut off
    the more gangrenous parts of his criminal enterprise.

    He is a total tool, a chiseler of the worst order.
    And more than familiar with the rip saw, the grinder
    and the router.

    He is as rough as 40-grit sandpaper

    Looks like this Narconon lawsuit will throw a spanner in the works.

    • outraged

      Call him Haman Miscavige.

      • BabySmurfette

        Booooooo!!!!!

    • Davka

      Pan – you never cease to amaze me – making your own grogger? Would that we could just pelt COB with hamentaschen.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous
  • Eivol Ekdal
    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Woo-hoo! I am loving the stuffings out of this series.

      • sashiebgood

        so funny, I’ve just been listening to the first part and the way they’re calling and texting them to try to get Carrie to pay – I’d be interested to know what day it was, possibly Thursday at 1pm?

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I wouldn’t be surprised. Although, it seems like the incessant calling and texting happens no matter the day–and from completely different people. Carrie recognizes it as salespeople going after a commission like sharks.

    • daisy

      Thank you for the link. I can not tell you how great these two are.

  • Observer

    If only I were rich…I’d hire skywriting planes to fly over her neighborhood for days on end, not writing anything, just leaving smoke trails…

    https://twitter.com/JennaElfman/status/711722218544308224

    • Frodis73

      omg, those comments are killing me. I’m totally with you on flying planes to fly over her house and drive her nuts (more nuts).

      • salin

        Example:

        xxxxxxx Watched a TV documentary about how the US(dunno if other countries do it) uses spray planes to bring on rain. That might be it.

        If so, why are so many parts of the country in a prolonged multi-year drought? Can’t be ‘political’ as both progressive California and conservative Texas have been effected.

        • Frodis73

          IKR? *think* for two seconds people. If we could control the weather I can guarantee it would be front page news. These folks annoy the heck out of me…they need to go back to grade school science class.

          • salin

            But what’s Jenna’s excuse she’s at the juncture of technology and (pseudo) science?

    • Kestrel

      Set up a Gofundme. I’ll chip in something. I’ll pay extra if they can give the smoke a yellowish or greenish tint.

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      They are spraying stupid repellent.

      • Sherbet

        It’s not working. She’s still talking.

      • SucculentDuck

        it’s Hollywood… i think they might be spraying the opposite of that

      • Juicer77

        XD

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      OMG CHEMTRAILS!!!

    • JOE BLOW

      It’s obviously the Psychs, DUH!!!

    • SucculentDuck

      try this: stop breathing. let us know how that works out for you, Horse Blower.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Someone tell her to put some vinegar in her lawn sprinklers and shut the fuck up. Every damn plane that has a trail behind it isn’t necessarily spraying something. Ugh, all the Sci-celebs annoy me.

      • Lucille Austero

        But but but. What does this do to the bankability of my PhD in Chemtrails, The Science Of?

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          You’ll always be Dr. Austero to me love. ❤

          • Lucille Austero

            Not to be confused with Tobias Funke, Analrapist. (This was on the show, so don’t ban me)

            • BabySmurfette

              One of my favorite story lines on that show.

      • Juicer77

        LOL

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Just have it keep writing “MMR” over her house to freak her out. Psych sky-writing. 😀

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Nat’s comment on this the other night was the best. It went something like this:

      Won’t somebody think of the horses?!

      • Frodis73

        She also posted a funny pic, but I don’t remember which one…I’ll take a guess and post one of them. f5

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Right! That one is excellent.

          • Frodis73

            Nat always posts a keeper.

      • Observer

        Oops…I don’t remember seeing this

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          So worth posting again for all to see!

    • Sherbet

      “WHAT THE EF ARE THESE PEOPLE IN UNIFORMS DOING COMING UP TO MY DOOR AND LEAVING ENVELOPES!?” Seriously. What is in those envelopes?? What do those uniforms mean? I’m effin’ bullsh** at this!!! WHO SENT THEM????”

      Um, it’s the mailman, Jenna.

      • Lucille Austero

        ^^^^^snort!

    • daisy

      Ikr- the things we could do to screw with them are infinite. Who needs to give money to charity instead.

      • Sherbet

        Maybe we can get some from Legoland. They owe us.

    • Lucille Austero

      Obviously, she doesn’t KNOW that all she needs to protect herself from the adverse effects of CHEMTRAILS is one of these on her lawn (f5)

      • Sherbet

        Sit Bodhi out there, and the airspace will immediately clear.

    • kemist

      Sometimes I wonder how difficult it is to go through life without understanding the most simple stuff about the world around you, or being able to apply the grammar of your own goddamn mother tongue properly.

      • Liberated

        Ever notice how the famous people in the cult always manage to say the most vulgar, boorish crude things everytime they open their mouths? The cruise daughter, krustie, jenna and of course bodhi’s the worst, he makes me cringe.

        • Jake Hamby

          L. Ron Hubbard was known to be a vulgar, boorish, crude person, so it’s considered uptone.

          • Liberated

            Well, I’m sure they think they’re just “makin it go right”.

    • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

      Air show, Jenna. It’s an air show. That’s colored smoke. Smoke, Jenna. Smoke.

    • Aslan’s Own

      She’s so freaked out that it’s chemicals. She obviously never rode her bike behind the mosquito spraying truck when she was little like we did!

    • Dice

      She needs to see this solution – It Works!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsdeAF_Prfo

  • flyonthewall

    Hey you can hear how Ross and Carrie became certified Dianetic auditors! They spent 22hrs over a single weekend getting certified. Don’t worry, the podcast is like 1.5hrs and you don’t have to pay to listen to it. Click on the link and refresh for a handy dandy pic of where to go on the site to hear it. f5

    http://maximumfun.org/donate

    • Frodis73

      Magma! I am surprised they don’t know that the volcano is supposed to re-stimulate you and make you reach for Dianetics. Which they had message boards to discuss this-something other than stupid FB that is.

      • flyonthewall

        We are scholars, R&C are just grad students ppshaw!

        • Frodis73

          True. The desperation in these txt msg is hilarious.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      *sobs* Can’t listen to it right now. Ah well, a gem to look forward to tomorrow. Thanks for the link Fly.

      • flyonthewall

        I’m about 1hr in and it’s really good. You’ll like it

        • Sherbet

          “And a tuba was playing.”

          • flyonthewall

            i would of been so freaked out, idk how they did that seminar.

          • flyonthewall

            I just got done with the lunch with Gina story. Jesus, what a nuthouse. I loved how she told them her family would say bad things about Scientology so she had to cut them off but couldn’t come up with a single specific thing they said. What horrible liars they are, totally transparent. They really think that all people are complete morons who can just be played like fiddles.

            • Sergeant Pepper

              “Scien-tautology”.

            • Frodis73

              Yes! I am in love with these two…these podcasts are priceless.

    • kemist

      Nice, I’ll have something fun to listen to tomorrow, and people will wonder what’s so funny about debugging.

    • UhLasare

      Yay! Thanks for posting. Glad I was wrong.

  • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia
    • salin

      Yea!

  • nottrue
    • Liberated

      The more this terror is being exposed the better.

    • Jimmy3

      I clicked on this thinking she was being interviewed by Jason Stathome and Rene Russo. Should probably clean my screen.

  • Lucille Austero

    Things on my Watch List:
    6. Robots
    5. Pants – just sleeves for your legs – discuss
    4. Underpants
    3. Chemtrails
    2. People Who Are “Into” Horses
    1. Scientology

    • kemist

      If pants are sleeves for your legs, are underpants fingerless gloves for the bottom of your body ?

      • Lucille Austero

        We are thinking alike, kemist.

      • dungeon master

        Undershirt (sans neckhole)

    • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

      6. Cool and more than a little scary.
      5. It’s cold out. I need those sleeves.
      4. Should be called “pant-savers”.
      3. Not even wrong.
      2. I’ll take Deeply Troubled, Has-been Actresses for 500, Alex.
      1. Would be funny if not for the human wreckage.

  • salin

    A reminder to recommend today’s Underground Bunker (to the upper left of the dialogue box) – like an upvote for

    the news of the fast upcoming narconon trial, and for the continuing spread of the Nora Crest’s news story.

    Like the heart beats when we recommend – on an active aurora night the sky lights up. Here are some photos from earlier today:

    Dragon Sculpture sillohette with gentle auroras (or is that green fire from the dragon?) in Hot Springs, Alaska: http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=123850&PHPSESSID=u9vivnoe45iic4ts5n2ivaha32

    Aurora or Rainbow in Batsfjord, Norway: http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=123853&PHPSESSID=u9vivnoe45iic4ts5n2ivaha32

    Bold Bounding Northern lights in Moskosel Swedish Lapland. http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=123856&PHPSESSID=u9vivnoe45iic4ts5n2ivaha32

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    Random o/t thought: harmony lies in between consumption and creation.

    • Jimmy3

      Sounds like something you read before consuming a stale cookie.

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        You need to stop your humorous attempts to hurt my feelings.

        • Jimmy3

          Writing fortune cookie wisdom is a skill, my friend. No hurt feelings.

          • flyonthewall
          • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

            It’s my fortune cookie wisdom, I learned it. What did you learn today?

            • Jimmy3

              How Daredevil season 2 ends. (Hint: It ends without spoilers.)

            • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

              Consumption experience. What did you create?

            • Jimmy3

              It’s my dog’s birthday, so I made him a peanut butter bagel for breakfast. He said it was quite the creation.

            • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

              Dog’s never talk back.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I saw this today and thought you might appreciate it: (refresh with some devil horns)

      • Jimmy3

        That is fucking awesome.

        • Sunny

          Since I am heavily working on reducing my swearing, I will just upvote your swearing. Plus it is awesome.

          • Jimmy3

            Yeah I should swear less, but I don’t really care enough about that shit.

            • stillgrace2

              Hey, Jimmy! This is for you. This species of clover has a kind of tap root and thrives in California droughts. It has has delicate little yellow flowers. It’s SPRING!

            • Jimmy3

              That is pretty. How did you know that I am a delicate yellow flower?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Marty, is that you?

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        No, but I expected that question.

    • kemist

      Not to anyone doing multithreaded programming :

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Producer–consumer_problem

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        Heh. That’s not what I meant, but okay.

      • daisy

        How did you do that and yes I did try turning the computer upside down ?
        6

    • DMSTCC

      ʇuᴉoɾ ʇɐɥʇ ʇɹɐƃoq ʇ,uop

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        stop typing upside down

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        ⓣⓗⓐⓣⓢ ⓝⓞⓣⓗⓘⓝⓖ, ⓟⓤⓣⓣⓘⓝⓖ ⓘⓣ ⓘⓝ ©ⓘⓡ©ⓛⓔⓢ ⓘⓢ ⓜⓤ©ⓗ ⓗⓐⓡⓓⓔⓡ

        ò̷̥̱̳̘r҉̶̮ ̡̹̜̠̳̖̖̜͙̬i͖̜̗̹͕͜f̛̙̗̞̬ ҉̶̷̹͇̱̘̖ͅy̷̸͕͕̘̼̻̥͕o̤̲u҉͏̻̖ ̛̰̞̥̻͔̕r̨͕̮e̟̥͙̦͙̩͎͈͟à̲̹̳̱͈͓̕ͅl̦̻l̶̬̫̕͟y̟̥ ͖̳w͓̦̰̞̰͢á̵̝̝̪͎̙̩͈̻͎n̝̼͓̺͟͜t̶̙͚̩͖͕ͅ ̴̧̦̖͚̹͈̤t̵̬̤̹̩̫̹o̢͖̫̫̩̭̩͢ ̵̟͓̦͉͇f̛̥͔̯͕̻͓̜̱͈͡r̗̱ȩ̷̙a͏͎̝̬̝͕̲̹̜͝ḵ̛͍̫̠́ ͈̗̫̗͇̗̦͘o̢̠͔͉͙͝ͅͅu̷̱͕̹̪̪͝t҉̡̪̹͕̩̕ ̬̹̦̳̻͓̲͚y͡͏̠͚̱͜o̝̳u̸̵̹̳͍͜ ̥̬͙̠̀s̨̭̥͔͠h̙̼̱̭͎o̷̖̗͉̰̺͝͝u͖̬̜̩̘̰̠̺l͏͏̘̺̩̘̝̩̗̣͟d̡̡͚̞̺̟̲́ ̖̰̣̰͙͕͇̀̕c̛̖̪̗̞͙̯͇͓h̪̙̭̻̯̥͉̣͡ę̙͔̪͕͕̝̯̳c͏͉͔͕͚̠̙̼͖k̟͚ ҉̢͕͡t̸͎͠ẖ̫̙̣̰̥̻͢i͓̝̥͖̪̩̻͎̘s̨͙͖̱̙ͅ ͡҉͔̝̣͉̼o̩̟̬͜͠ṳ̮̟͚̻͇̤̱͘̕t͏̷̢͕͎̜

    • Juicer77

      A balance of both is ideal.

  • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

    I love CBC Radio’s Ideas program, because I always just happen to stumble across something interesting when I’m in the car.

    Tonight, Brother Twelve: http://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/the-dream-of-brother-xii-1.3500955

    Sun-dappled paradise in summer, sodden purgatory in winter, the ruggedly beautiful British Columbia coast has long attracted utopian visionaries. Case in point: Edward Wilson, better known as the infamous religious cult leader Brother XII, a wayward 1920s theosophist at the centre of one of the most bizarre interludes in Canadian history. Jen Moss explores what happens when lofty ideals crash against BC’s rocky shores.

    Wilson eh? I wonder if that gave L. Ron Wilson Hubbard any ideas?

    • stanrogers

      And let’s not forget the Air Farce’s Notions: Topics not quite important enough to be Ideas. I really have to get back into the Radio One habit again.

      • Robert Ramsay

        Assuming you could only save one ( Radio or Tv) from budget cuts/death which would it be ?

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    666 is just a number.

    • Dice

      My number!

  • Tree

    I am still out sick from work so I actually read through all the pleadings. Ouch, shame that they didn’t allow for extra attorney fees but at least they had a small win. they will prevail and get their money back, (and ALL their attorney fees) I don’t care how “heavily weighted” the cost is in the first days of treatment are, 40 grand and attorney fees seems like an awful lot to pay for two days of treatment. Ironically that is how I first darkened their doors, a friend of mine was seeking a treatment center for her daughter and ran onto Narconon. She heard that it was cheaper if you were a Scientologist. She went on to be staff and I went on to be SP.

    • salin

      Wish I could think of a word that combined the shock of “yikes!” and the recognition of the extreme measures taken by a loved one to get support/help for their loved one.

      Aghast:

      Step into the net to be ensnared by Co$ in order to be able to get help through Narconon. Assuming those extreme measures were taken based on the false, but extraordinary “success rates” touted by Narconon. To read their literature – it is like Harvard is to Universities, as Narconon is to (generic) Drug rehap programs.

      Except that it isn’t.

      Hope your friend and her daughter are doing well.

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush
    • Intergalactic Walrus

      FYI – I’m getting a message that the website is offline.

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        yeah, server’s been really slow lately… behind the scene’s it’s still there; I’ve only just made them aware of it so hopefully they’ll sort it out

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    I am not very social at all and it took me a lot of will, thought and credit card consideration to book a hotel room in Cleveland. I am the kind who would rather spend my vacation in my apartment. My wife deserves a medal, because she is opposite, she loves to travel and meet new people and yet she somehow tolerates me.

    With that said, I may or may not cancel my trip to Cleveland. On one hand, I would like to experience it all,
    and on another hand my ass is gonna hurt from driving for 5 hours and I don’t want to punch Jimmy in the face
    for making “humorous” comments about things (not the first time) I say from the heart.

    Also, there is a very good chance that I am damaged/naturally dumb to the point of not recognizing good-hearted humor. My sincere apologies, if that’s the case.

    Also, even if I make it there, I probably will be boring and vigilant no fun type. No loss, really.
    So we will see. Please, no sympathy replies.

    • beauty for ashes

      How about empathy? No really, it is your choice to make, you can always not tell anyone that you are going, and then sort of check things out and see if you are comfortable.

    • Jimmy3

      You know I’m just teasing, Dodo. But I’ll knock it off. It was a valid way of looking at life.

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        I hate crying.

        • Jimmy3

          If I had known you’d take it that way I wouldn’t have said it. It was a dumb joke.

    • Kim O’Brien

      i rented an apartment ..come over for wine and pasta . I get there on Thursday at 4pm . I might be funny …might not .

    • TexasBroad

      I hope you go. I say this while still hoping I’m going and having not yet booked.

    • aquaclara

      Ha. I met you and your lovely wife in NY. You are totally fun, and you better get your ass there! I have a kid to graduate (from college) and get employed….so I can’t go. But you are close by, a Bunker dude, and relatively close by ( not living in Australia, in other words).

      For those who don’t know, Dodo is as cute as he sounds, smart, and funny. And his wife is a sweet pea.

      There you go, Dodo. Cleveland is holding a party. Be there or incur the wrath of Miss Tia, who needs you there.

      Then pleeeeaaasse bring back stories.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      You should go anyway.

    • Robert Eckert

      I was exceedingly disappointed that you weren’t there for the Parma event. Along with Miss Tia and Jimmy3 you were among the ones I was counting on. It would compound the disappointment if you failed to show again.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Dodo, we all know you’re a cranky man but we love you anyway.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      I’m the same way as you – very introverted, but most often in social situations I find someone to talk to.

      I’m glad you are going, and I’m sure that Miss Tia can fix you a table for one if that’s what you want 😉

      • Newiga

        Heeey, you! *waves enthusiastically* Where you’ve been? Haven’t see you in a while!

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Hej på dej! (((KRAM))) Ja, jeg har vært borte noen dager. Har hatt litt andre ting å tenke på – det var inte nåt stort, så alt ting går bra her :-)

          Hur är det med dej? Börjar våren att komma till Finland?

          • Newiga

            Jag mår ganska bra. Mitt jobb är hektisk. Vi har några stora saker in nästä månad. Usch! Våren är nästän här. Hurraa! Snart kann jag sitta på balkong, fika och njuta av solen. ^_^

            Great to have you back!!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Dodo – please do not cancel. I know from your comments you are sweet and kind. That’s all anyone wants at HowdyCon. Good human beans is good enough!

    • Baby

      Dodo.. Listen to your gut.. I am not social AT all.. My husband and I are so reclusive..

      ** I wrote this to Jennyfurrrr the other day..***

      I am so reclusive it’s not funny.. and so is my husband. A nice couple invited us out to dinner.. Now we are not one to double date..hang out with other couples..blah..blah..

      We have been together for 12 years and have never been to a party or another couple’s house. It was so weird.. The guy knows my hubby through fishing. His wife retired judge..both from NY.

      The retired judge e mailed me and asked.. OK so I asked my husband.. We both hesitated.. and went back and forth.. So he said..

      OK let’s go.. then we’ll take take them out and we’ll be even..and that’s it.. That’s the way we started out.. hahaha..

      The Dinner was outstanding.. another couple were there.. the house was beyond anything I’ve ever seen..Waterfront with pool. Fabulous Art and Collectibles..

      I couldn’t wait to go home get in my boxers and my husband kept shooting me looks like.. ” Ya ready to go home? ” and ” Uh yeah” back.

      Too Much Talk about Politics and Religion.. Polite conversation.. and I had to pretend that I was an adult. I felt so fake…latest vacation..latest book read.

      I have spent years trying to be my Authentic self.. and here I am .. nodding my head to things I didn’t agree with.. because I just wanted to scream..

      ” WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT..?” Hubby was so proud of me for showing restraint.

      First I want to make it clear..It was very nice for them to invite us. They were fabulous hosts. The home was beautiful and food delicious.

      All the way home we talked..

      Hubby.. ” Lets never do that again..” hahahhahaa ” Who were you tonight? Interesting woman.. not my wife.. ”

      Me.. ” I can NOT wait to get home.. What is wrong with us? ”

      Him..” That was the longest 5 hrs. of my life. ”

      We got home to 4 dogs barking..house was a mess.. turned on TV.. Me shooting for my office..Him eating a bowl of cereal..

      And all was right with OUR little world. Yep.. Both of us Reclusive…and apparently ” Don’t play well with others.”

      Do NOT let anyone guilt you into doing anything honey. My Ex loved parties..having people over.. I hated every minute of it.. I knew that I was not like ” Normal people..” and I finally embrace it.. I accept it.

      I do NOT feel comfortable around others. I was so thrilled to have a life connection with Bury and Dee. I do not do small talk.. I end up talking TOO much.. or NOT at all..

      Went to a fabulous party at Hole’s at Flag Down and I had a mini panic attack and told Bury I was going to put my feet in the up ground pool ( climbing little ladder) and NOT to talk to me..I had to decompress.

      I was by myself for about 1 1/2 hrs.

      I want to tell you.. Enjoying your own company and your own space is a skill that most don’t achieve. I know you adore your son and wife..That is so obvious.

      If you do NOT go does not mean that you don’t care about the Bunkeroos. We all make choices. It will be expensive .. and some just don’t have it in their budget. A 5 hr. drive is a bitch.. Ugh..

      One thing you HAVE to do.. If you go..fabulous.. If you do NOT go.. Don’t feel guilty.. Guilt isn’t in my vocabulary..It just isn’t.. It was at one time, but I just can’t afford to feel guilty..It is a terrible feeling.

      So weigh the pros and cons..we all have to. You do know it’s damned if you do damned if you don’t..

      If you stay home you wished you would have gone..If you go you will wish you stayed home..

      So listen to your gut. I am not going because of my granddaughter..but I also planned on being in a hotel room by myself for a lot of the trip.

      ” To Thine Own Self be True.” Reach way down in side of you and decide. You have friends who will support you either way.. So shit.. What is your authentic self telling you to do.. Listen to it. love baby

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        Thank you, Baby. :)

        • Baby

          You are welcome Kind man.

  • Frodis73

    Cancelled!
    Just finished part 4 of the Ross and Carrie show. My favorite part (hard to pick one) was how they really drove home the point about how auditing forces you to make up memories. They talked for a few minutes about false memories, so that will be very educational for the people listening that don’t really know anything. Oh, I also have to point out how the church goes out of the way to keep insisting that this is not hypnosis, but Ross and Carrie definitely understood that yes it is indeed hypnosis.

    Sounds like they are going to discuss ross sneaking into the birthday event next time so they must be wrapping up the series. It sounds like there is a lot to that story though. I would have loved to hear what they think about the whole yelling at ashtrays and staring at each other for two hours…esp since the staring exercise induces hallucinations most of the time.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Did the making up of memories follow the command, ” Find an earlier similar ” ?

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    in my ongoing series of ‘strange places where scientology pops up on the internet’ I found this:

    ““improv” is scientology for y’all non fans of Bojack Horseman Archive”… nope, no idea

    pic

    http://bwog.com/tag/improv-is-scientology-for-yall-non-fans-of-bojack-horseman/

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      It’s a reference to the Netflix show Bojack Horseman. In this past season, there’s a recurring joke about one of the characters joining an improv troupe that turns out to be a cult. In the season finale, the character gets trapped on a ship run by the improv cult guru and has to be rescued.

      The writers made veiled and not-so veiled scientology jokes throughout the season. It’s pretty obvious what this story arc was referencing–especially when you give a character a line like: “Scientology is not a cult. Improv is a cult. I want to be very clear. This is about improv.”

      It’s actually a really funny show.

      • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

        aaah, so

  • Life is weird
    • TheMirrorThetan

      It is clickbait so please delete the link. There is no abcnews.com.CO it is a fake site and that piece of shit doesnt deserve the traffic.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    The church of Fear for kindle is $1.01 on amazon.com.au at the moment for the Aussies who might want a copy or 2nd copy and are fiscally challenged. :)
    Since it is part of amazon.com.au’s autumn sale I doubt it applies for other countries.

    https://www.amazon.com.au/Church-Fear-Inside-Weird-Scientology-ebook/dp/B00AQY300M/ref=sr_1_2?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1458707933&sr=1-2&keywords=The+Church+of+Fear

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Here is Chick Corea on the Freewinds earlier this month.
    (refresh)

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BCofaXMlX5m/

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BCkjwI0FX5a/?taken-at=33910882

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Oh, he’s a supah star slave playing for the lesser ones to keep his stats up?

    • Dice

      What a goofy look!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    cc

  • Amrita Sharma

    Wow. We’ve been reporting about how Narconon is going up in a ball of flame in the last few years, but we didn’t mean it literally.

    http://www.dua786.com/dua-for-increasing-income-faith/

  • wannabeclear

    I know I’m late on this one, but just got a chance to read it. Mustn’t there be some statute that requires the company to keep records for a specific number of years for an audit trail (and other things), which would necessitate them NOT burning any Narconon documentation with fire? I hope that they win lots and lots of $$$ in sanctions for that one!