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Atack: What I meant when I said Scientologists suffer from arrogance when they leave

Jon_Atack3Jon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and for more than a year on Saturdays he helped us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet. He was kind enough to send us a new post.

My dear friend Gerry Armstrong has recently taken me to task for suggesting that 99 percent of escapees from Scientology suffer from arrogance when they leave. I made my remark in the foreword to Chris Shelton’s new book and I stand by it (as well as my assertion that Chris showed humility in putting aside the arrogant notions of Scientology so quickly after he left).

It may not have been clear enough that I was speaking of the newly escaped, rather than castigating all former members (several hundred of whom I count as friends, most of them long past the embarrassing egotism of Scientology). Even the most casual reader of the comments at the Bunker will soon become aware that we are not an arrogant crowd for the most part (though I probably have my moments and beg my readers’ forgiveness).

So, let me make it clear: refugees from Scientology almost all still believe Hubbard’s formulation – at the point of their departure from the cult. They believe themselves demigods who can control others’ minds and matter through sheer force of will.

I spent nine years believing. I was never a live-in member, so I had a comparatively easy life (I even defected to art school for two years). Nonetheless, my belief did not shift for a single moment during those nine years. I was a true believer.

As a Scientologist, I read Cyril Vosper’s Mindbenders, Roy Wallis’s Road to Total Freedom and Christopher Evans’s Cults of Unreason, and, because I was able to rebut some of the content, did not accept the accuracy of the rest (the “psychs” call it “confirmation bias”, bless them). This is why I was so meticulous when writing Let’s sell these people A Piece of Blue Sky: I know that a true believer will pick the smallest nit and, finding even one slight error, will then declare the whole unfounded and untrue.

Stacy Young wrote the dead-agent pack to discredit Bent Corydon’s book, Messiah or Madman. I was profoundly gratified when she told me she could not find a single passage to dead-agent in my own tome. Blue Sky was written to satisfy nit-pickers. I am pleased that never-ins have found it useful, but it was principally designed to show former members Hubbard’s deceptions, and to highlight the atrocities of the cult. I even left the Tech for later, knowing that many people have to follow that “gradient scale” of understanding. These days, I’m far more direct, for which I hope you will forgive me.

Thirty years after leaving the cult, I am still a little embarrassed that as a young man I did not challenge anything in Scientology, especially as I have found so much to challenge, since, as the whole subject is mired in contradiction and mere opinion is offered as “science.”

I suffered from the typical arrogance of the escapee for some months. I believed myself a superhuman, even though, like every other “OT” I’ve met, I had no single demonstrable supernatural power (beyond a fervid imagination). Once in the newly-formed Independents, I had an e-meter check which confirmed that I had completed OT V (and, yes, the auditor was Flag trained and so was the supervisor, for any Standard Tech cynics in the audience).

Even though I had complained while still in the cult that OT III did not work, and had never quite bought into the idea that I was infested with body thetans, I still believed in Hubbard and was willing to believe that I was at fault for my disbelief. Then I started the VI course and found that although the e-meter had confirmed that I had no more body thetans, there were more to go. I left the Tech on that day. The “Bridge” quite evidently went nowhere, unless the drug-dazed labyrinth of Ron Hubbard’s mind was an actual destination.

I had the great good luck to have the friendship of Mitch Beedie at that time. He too was cautious in rejecting Scientology, but between us we managed to talk our way out. I dived into the documentation on Hubbard’s past that the legendary Michael Linn Shannon had dug out (following in the footsteps of James Phelan; Gerry’s discoveries were still under court seal), which showed that Hubbard’s claims of academic achievement and war heroism were utterly and entirely bogus. Meanwhile, Mitch culled swathes of statements from Hubbard books, revealing contradictions aplenty.

Eventually, I compared 21 biographies prepared by the Scientology organization and almost all copyrighted to Hubbard: no two were the same, so Hubbard was clearly a liar (unless he was speaking from parallel universes where he had actually met Blackfoot Indians, studied with eastern gurus, become a nuclear physicist and seen combat in war time. He did none of those things in this universe. There is no shadow of a doubt: His own writings prove it). Nonetheless, as with so many of us, it took me months to finally put aside belief in the convoluted and contradictory dogma of Scientology.

I first met Gerry when we were working on the child residence case usually known as the Latey case, in June 1984. By that time, I no longer believed (and neither did he). I had broken through the final barrier when I showed an OT II friend a copy of the OT III pack, which persuaded him to spend his money on a Ducati motorbike and leave those pesky body thetans well alone.

The spell was broken, the dark enchantment gone, and I was no longer in thrall to the man who believed himself both Maitreya and the Anti-Christ. Since then millions have survived that notorious South Park episode where Mr Cruise refuses to leave the closet. Death by pneumonia was just another lie to keep the phobia in place.

As a member, I had taken the famous Data Series Evaluator’s Course – the ultimate training in logic according to Hubbard. For the first time, I applied the system of “outpoints” and “pluspoints” to Scientology and found it wanting. Profoundly wanting. Next, I turned the Data Series on itself and found that it was riddled with outpoints. For instance, the Policy Letter that insists the Data Series be read in sequence is not at the beginning of that series but at number 50; nor is there any order of importance for the Data Series outpoints themselves (nor indeed for the vast compendium of Hubbard writings).

I ended my thralldom with a simple decision. I was at the hub of the UK Independent movement for some months, so I met or corresponded with hundreds of escapees, almost all of whom continued to believe. When challenged, they would tell me how they had determined the truthfulness of Hubbard and the usefulness of his so-called Technology, but their methods sounded unconvincing and not in the least scientific.

For instance, one old-timer who had joined up in the early fifties told me he’d laughed out loud when he perused the OT III pack, but was convinced when it “read” on his e-meter. I asked if he had ever doubted the adequacy of the e-meter and he had not. By this time, the mother cult was calling in all meters to be “silver-sealed,” but this recall was actually to replace the faulty carbon potentiometers that were the “tone arm” mechanism. These carbon pots were scraping dust into the meter, causing rock slams and other “false” reads, so the cult itself had admitted the inadequacy of the meter (and charged the members for the privilege of repair).

My simple decision was that, rather than using Scientology to evaluate Scientology, I would reject the lot and consider each tenet separately on its own merits. In that way, I could adopt whatever was useful and reject whatever was not. It was embarrassing to find that none of it proved useful – sure, there are a few maxims that might be true, but they all come from other sources, and, as Hubbard himself said, it is best to look to the original (he couldn’t help altering everything he touched, so often lost the value of the original, too. Take a look at his misinterpretation of positioning theory in the Marketing Series, for instance. He clearly misunderstands Reiss and Trout, while claiming to draw from them). So much else is simply wrong-headed or actually dangerous – like the Purification Rundown and OT III. People have died on the former and gone crazy on the latter to my certain knowledge.

The system that these maxims formed is actually constructed to enslave. There was certainly no science involved, as there were no experiments, no case studies (unless you accept the risible material in Have You Lived Before This Life or Dianetics Today), no attempt at an experimental design, no clinical studies and no controls: Just the pontifications of the most arrogant man who ever lived. The use of the same IQ tests before and after auditing was a farce, as we all typically improve on our second time through such tests, and that was all the evidence we were offered, beyond testimonials.

I had to learn how to doubt, and the key came when I realized that we had always and only been given one side of any story: Hubbard’s side. I determined to look for intelligent dissent to any point of view, and this has stood me in good stead. (And, hopefully, not made me too arrogant!) Of course, even in our modern world much is not scientifically resolved, so I delight in unresolved possibilities as well as understanding established by research.

One former member commented poignantly on the wonderful Hayakawa piece recently re-published here at the Bunker that he’d just had painful surgery to remove kidney stones caused by years of vitamin C overdoses, courtesy of received Scientology wisdom. A couple of years ago, my jaw dropped when a former member out for over three decades said he still took 10 grams of the stuff every day. I’m surprised he still has a stomach with such consumption of a strong acid.

I decided to find other sources for the ideas of Scientology, and Adele Davis’s out-dated books on nutrition were one starting point (here’s a recent discussion of her dangerous and unscientific ideas). I found a text by a professor of nutrition, which revealed that any excess of a water soluble vitamin will be excreted in the urine, which explained the slump experienced when mega-vitamins are halted – the body is still desperately trying to rid itself of the overdose.

Twenty-four year Scientologist Brown McKee testified at the Clearwater Hearings that as a physicist he knew that Hubbard was talking nonsense about physics, but was fascinated by his statements about Buddhism. I laughed out loud when I read this: As a Buddhist, I knew Hubbard was talking nonsense about Buddhism, but I was fascinated by his claims to scientific rigour.

I read popular texts on physics and soon understood that McKee was right. My copy of All About Radiation (the 1979 printing, copyright L. Ron Hubbard) claims on the flyleaf that Hubbard was “one of America’s first nuclear physicists.” His college grade sheets show that he failed a course in “atomic and molecular physics” and Hubbard admits as much in a must-hear lecture called Introduction to Dianetics (reissued in 2007; recorded 23 September 1950). This lecture also contradicts most of his later fabulisms. I was long puzzled by Hubbard’s assertion that you can transform the past. I came to realize that he used a long-existing technology to do this. It is most commonly known as lying.

On the subject of Maitreya (or Metteya) and Hubbard’s claim to be the last Buddha who will lead all of humanity to enlightenment in his own life-time: I wrote to the Pali Text Society within weeks of first encountering Scientology and was politely told that the claims of the red-headed final Buddha arising in the West 2,500 years after the Shakyamuni had no origin in Buddhism (the only significant text would be the Book of the Great Decease, my own reading of which confirms the opinion of the Pali Text Society).

At the marvellous Getting Clear seminar this past summer in Toronto, toxicologist Angela Harris deconstructed Hubbard’s claims for the Purification Rundown and mega-vitamin “therapy.” Such analysis renders Hubbard’s ideas utterly obsolete (which perhaps explains why Gerry was unable to achieve a nomination for the Nobel Prize for the Old Man of the Sea Org). His litany of guesses, inferences and untested opinions comes apart under scrutiny. For instance, Dr Harris pointed to Hubbard’s assertion that anyone who takes drugs will have nutritional deficiencies. As she said, this is easy enough to test, yet in almost 40 years, no Scientologist has bothered to suggest such simple testing: Everyone is treated the same on the great assembly line of Scientology. I still aver that we killed Scientology at Toronto. I do not believe that anyone could watch the whole seminar and still believe in Hubbard or his “Tech.” Jim Beverley now offers some sessions for free (and rumours about our profits are greatly exaggerated. I have not received a penny and doubt that I ever will. We may one day be able to pay the debts accrued in presenting the conference).

Back in the 70s, I became concerned when Hubbard attacked those who had taken LSD (about half of the Sea Org at the time) based on “two cases.” It hardly seemed scientific to call all who had taken the drug “stupid” based on such a small sample. (I was amused in later years to find that Hubbard had told at least two people that he had taken LSD himself!)

In real scientific circles the term “gold standard” is applied to a study of over 1,000 people. A few years after Hubbard’s pronouncement, Harvey Haber told me that he had been one of the researched pair: Hubbard had ordered a “folder error summary” of his folder alongside that of another slave who had annoyed him. The commonplace between the two was that they had taken LSD. Hubbard was telling the world just how annoyed he was with them. He had an “other intention,” so it seems.

Harvey was evidently not stupid: Quite the contrary. Hubbard was evidently not scientific, but he had caught hold of the trend in advertising and was well aware of the effect of authority on an impressionable public (“Any time anybody gets enough altitude he can be called a hypnotic operator, and what he says will act as hypnotic suggestion…” Hubbard lecture, Education and Dianetics, 11 November 1950). We believed him, because he was Ron and we trusted his honesty. And, as he so blithely said, “honesty is sanity.”

Robert Young, the actor who played Marcus Welby, MD, sold a mountain of Sanka decaffeinated coffee, in part because the audience associated him with science and rational thought. Hubbard was a huge fan of anything subliminal – witness his claim that the weird 1968 book covers (which he alleged were images from OT III) would allow any foreign Scientologist to evade the ban on entry into the UK. As he said, we should never believe a hypnotist.

One day, my friend Mitch brought home a copy of Oliver Sacks’s The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat. For Scientologists, the brain is the final frontier. Hubbard dismissed the brain as a “switchboard” between the “thetan” and the two minds that he had discovered (both chock full with teeny mental image pictures – over a quadrillion years’ worth at 24 per second).

The implanted self-view given by Hubbard is usually retained long after departure from the mother cult. It is kept in place by phobia induction (as I said in the foreword that caused my friend Gerry such annoyance). Scientologists are repeatedly told that all that is wrong in the universe (not simply on our little garden planet) is the fault of the wily crew of “psychs.” Hubbard nonetheless credited psychiatrist William Alanson White as one of the very small group of “thinking men without whose speculations and observations the creation and construction of Dianetics would not have been possible” (Science of Survival), but, as I’ve said before, the man was a riot of contradictions, which bodes poorly for any “scientific” basis for his claims.

Mitch was delighted with Sacks’s book and I had no hesitation in reading it once he was done. By this time, we revelled in our naughty determination to be self-determined! For those who insist that these “psychs” are rampant materialists, devoid of any religious feeling and bent upon the enslavement of humanity through the use of rose perfume, let me point out that the editor of the Encyclopedia of the Human Brain, illustrious neuroscientist Vilyanur Ramachandran, tends to dedicate his books to Hindu gods and has no difficulty in citing Hindu texts that exemplify supposedly modern beliefs. The “psychs” are not as small-minded as Hubbard was.

Sacks’s book was a revelation for me. I did not go mad (as far as I can tell), nor did I feel a sudden urge to attend psychiatric conferences or shower money on psychiatrists. Instead, I marvelled at the beauty of this most complex of all organs. It was OK to think. It was OK to disagree with the hidebound simplistic dogma of an untutored, paranoid and self-obsessed narcissist. I was at last Clear of Scientology!

One of the notions espoused by Hubbard is that of “counter” and “other” intention. Hubbard’s intention for us ran exactly counter to his publicised claims. In 1946, Hubbard wrote a series of hypnotic self-affirmations (brought to us by Gerry Armstrong from Omar Garrison’s collection, and accepted as genuine in court by Scientology during the first Armstrong case, back in 1984). Among these affirmations is: “Men are your slaves.” Hubbard adds, “elemental spirits are your slaves” (so he was the overlord of your body thetans too).

Publicly, Hubbard proclaimed that the “star-high goal” – the intention – of Scientology is: “A civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights…” This is in stark contrast to the real purpose: “Men are your slaves.”

But, then, is Scientology actually capable of making slaves? Hubbard gave a firm answer in the 1952 Philadelphia “Doctorate” Course: “We have ways here of making slaves.” Ten years later, he tried to sell his “brainwashing” techniques to the US government.

I aver that Scientology does indeed make slaves. Sea Org members forego their human rights and are kept in inhumane conditions in the attempt to create this “civilization…where able beings can prosper and honest beings can have rights.” Hubbard lived in opulent luxury while denying proper food, habitation, free time, social contact and even time with their children to his slaves, who, no matter how honest did not have rights in the world he created. Hubbard had Savile Row shirts and a 2,000-piece camera collection; Sea Org members were denied toilet paper in compliance with his order.

Scientology makes slaves by undermining critical thinking and inducing phobias that prohibit those who have been implanted from even considering information contrary to Hubbard’s claims.

I took my life in my hands to return to the fray (my family and I suffered 16 years of harassment the first time round, and it was truly devastating), because I saw that most victims of Scientology do not actually recover. Tony has somehow mesmerised me into continuing, but at least it is only part time since the Toronto seminar.

Here is the point, and excuse my meander in reaching it: Unless and until you have risen above the phobia and checked out what the “psychs” say, you are still a slave, and slavery leads to arrogant dismissal of relevant information. The phony elitism of the supposed Operating Thetan – the demigod who can push we mere humans and the whole universe about at will – is both phony and elitist, as I said in the foreword to Chris’s book.

I have no problem whatsoever with those who continue to believe after they have comprehended such concepts as Stockholm Syndrome, confirmation bias, Lifton’s criteria for thought reform, the fundamental attribution error and cognitive dissonance, but the failure to put Hubbard’s assertions into the broader context of researched scientific views is arrogant and completely lacking in humility.

For instance, cognitive dissonance has been called the most researched theory in the social sciences. There have been literally thousands of experiments testing the notion that we will reject even the best evidence if it is at odds with our beliefs. Curiously, the first significant test involved a guru who had her own live-in Scientology auditor, way back in the early 1950s (When Prophecy Fails, Festinger et al, 1956). Only those still mired in the opinions of Hubbard can reject unread and unconsidered the work of Lewin, Asch, Sherif, Milgram, Janis, Zimbardo, Lifton, Cialdini, Ofshe, Aranson, Pratkanis, Singer, Langone, Lalich, Hassan and the many others who have contributed not the enslavement of humanity, as Hubbard averred, but to our liberation. My own distillation of some of that wisdom was published just a few weeks ago under the title Opening Minds: The secret world of manipulation, undue influence and brainwashing. I was hugely gratified when a former member who left more than 30 years ago wrote to tell me that he at last understood what Hubbard had done to him. My essential concern now is the rampant abuses of the thousands of totalitarian, authoritarian, and deceptive groups in which human society abounds, and the book is the first act of the incipient Open Minds Foundation. We hope to make a difference.

I can make no claim to humility, but at least I know I should be careful of any belief in my own of superiority: I’m good at some things and dreadful at others. Most importantly, my four children still speak to me, and usually smile when I enter the room. I have long since come down to earth from the fabulous and utterly imaginary heights of the Operating Thetan state. Perhaps it is arrogant of me to think myself mostly recovered, but I hope not.

Let me also take time to thank Gerry and Caroline for their remarkable work, and to again support Chris Shelton’s attempt to deconstruct Scientology and liberate those still trapped inside it with his Scientology: A to Xenu. Bless us, every one!

— Jon Atack

 
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Jason Nark on Scientology’s ‘Dark Tower’ in Philly

In 2012, philly.com staffer Jason Nark researched and wrote one of the best things published about Scientology leader David Miscavige and his Philadelphia/South Jersey roots. Today, Jason has a new piece about Scientology’s hopelessly idle “Ideal Org” project in that city, and it features a local businessman who recently left Scientology, David Braverman.

Philadelphia is one of numerous cities where, in 2007 and 2008, local church members were pressured to raise money to purchase historic buildings to become the new wave of “Ideal” orgs, or churches. But millions more was needed to renovate the projects, and by then the small local groups of participating members were tapped out.

In 2011, the church said the “Philadelphia/New Jersey area” had about 10,000 Scientologists. But Braverman estimates that 50 or fewer practicing Scientologists live in the area, and he believes the church isn’t having much luck recruiting and isn’t even trying.

So now, in Philadelphia and places like Chicago, Detroit, and elsewhere, Scientology is saddled with decaying buildings it isn’t doing anything with, a symbol of its dwindling status as an organization. “It was a catastrophically stupid idea,” Braverman says, and led him to leave the church.

And after Braverman spent 40 years in Scientology, and helped the building project by catering its fundraising events and giving about a million dollars over the length of his career, Scientology spokesman Karin Pouw calls him a “bigot” for expressing his disappointment.

“Every religion has its detractors. However, no religion is or should be defined by them. These typically are individuals who are afraid of something new or different that seeks to improve the world, which is the case with Scientology. Or they are motivated by hate, or even financial incentives to harass the church,” Pouw wrote. “The number of individuals in this category is minuscule when compared to all those worldwide who embrace the religion and the good Scientology does for the world. They are irrelevant to our historic growth.”

Nice one, Karin.

 
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Derek Bloch tells his story

We know this has been posted a few times in the comments section, but we wanted as many people as possible to hear it.

 

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Um, W. T. F….

 
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The Farce Awakens…

 
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We ran around a pole for days, and all we got were these lousy T-shirts!

 
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GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice
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  • Mark

    What the devil are they trying to pull with that ‘giving birth’ monstrosity—make up for a decades-long lack of “fresh meat”, or somehow reincarnate El Ron? Better someone should give an event like this… (Refresh with everything crossed for Panopea & Mrs. Abrupta):

  • Vaquera

    Halftime.
    Stew is on…. Creamy farro and butternut squash with cremini mushrooms and peppery arugula.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Sounds good. And warm! Was bustling to show guests to the sea shell shops and quickly back home to jump in PJ’s. I’ll bet that’s homemade. Oh here – wasn’t joking about Jersey’s to the left of me, wedding party dress to the right:
      http://i.imgur.com/J9Q1Vpp.jpg?1

      • Vaquera

        All day in the slow cooker.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Anything all day in the slow cooker is awesome. You can cook your old boots in one of those things and with the right sauce…mmmm. Took last shot as we left for home at half time. This is my bridge these days – takes me right where I wanna go.

          http://i.imgur.com/JZo18Dy.jpg?2

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      Hey Texan, where’s the beef?!

      • Vaquera

        Wanted to make something my kosher BIL could eat because he worked hard shoveling snow today.

        • Robert Eckert

          Once I watched Julia Child make a green bean casserole, and she said the ideal customer was a lumberjack in Saskatchewan who had been out in subzero weather cutting trees for eight hours.

          • Vaquera

            There you go.

        • Enturbulated Masterbator

          What’s a BIL?

          • Kestrel

            I’m going with, ‘brother-in-law.’

          • Vaquera

            Brother-in-law

            • Enturbulated Masterbator

              Got it. I’m poor when it comes to acronyms! Soup sounds delicioso, enjoy.

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    Thank you, Jon. Your posts help every time.

  • Captain MustSavage

    I always appreciate knowing where information has come from. Jon, thank you for making it clear that LRons “affirmations” were acknowledged as genuine Hubbard material by Scientology as a result of their legal action action Gerry. Sometimes the provenance of information gets lost in the mists of time and I think it’s important to be able to support your viewpoint by providing the reasons you’re so sure the information you’re quoting in a discussion is accurate. Thanks,

  • Meepthorp

    I definitely shed layers of arrogance upon leaving. The
    first to go was thinking that as an organization worker I was
    “better” than the public. Then waking up and realizing just how badly
    I was shafted as a Scientology worker, I then felt the public who blatantly
    avoided staff were actually the smart ones. Then thinking as a Scientologist I
    was “better” than wogs- that had to go as in order to have
    sincere social connections I had to
    relate and give them a chance and really get to know them. Its been difficult making
    close relationships because in Scientology there are no truly intimate
    connections allowed without heavy interference from the organization, so you tend
    to skip it. But then you realize how measurably messed up that is and you begin
    to forge intimate relationships, but its difficult as so few people can relate
    to what you’ve been through. Then assimilation into society happens and you
    look backward and realize what an ass you were. Then as you continue to separate
    yourself from it, the loved ones still in begin to look down upon you, judge
    you and finally attack you. When you are
    declared the organization makes every attempt to isolate you and destroy you.
    But the truth is you were completely mentally and emotionally isolated as a
    Scientologist, and you begin to realize what it feels like to be UN-isolated.
    Through all of this you appreciate more and more that you escaped and you
    become humbled at the scope of the mind fuck. You can lose certainty and
    self-esteem at that point, become an angry person or beat yourself up over it, or
    you can learn from your unique experience and apply it to the
    mind control that exists in the world all around us. For that reason I have no regrets.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      “Through all of this you appreciate more and more that you escaped and you become humbled at the scope of the mind fuck.”

      Yes, it’s truly breathtaking in its scope and insidiousness. So glad you escaped Meepthorp!

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      That was a fantastic insight! I love you, too!

    • Bernie

      Wonderful synopsis! Yes, it is and has been an amazing trek.

  • nottrue

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Agree, but the thing about it is–no one ever “thinks about joining” per se. The minute you take a seemingly innocuous intro course to even check it out, they proclaim you a member and tell you they won’t have you being wishy washy…gonna turn that normal disposition of yours into a fixed stare no matter what it takes.

      Edit: for clarity

  • order66

    OK, scientology, you photoshop a Star Wars poster for your own purposes. You just made it personal with me. You DO NOT want me taking anything personal.

  • AnyOldName1

    As is often the case, Jon hit the nail on the head and nailed a few nerves!

    The arrogance those still in the mindset – whether recently out or Indies/Freezoners still drinking the KoolAid – is overwhelming at times but makes them easy to identify. So many times over the years an Indie or newly out will arrive at the Bunker and high handly lecture some “wog” resulting in a mass response. Then, they go back to Mike’s, or in the old days Marty’s, place and complain about it, claiming we are closed minded :). They have not one iota of sense they are their own problem.

    We should be a bit more tolerant of the recent exes’ arrogance and treat with kindness. Though, I have noticed a marked decline in the number of recent exes with arrogant attitudes showing up here, at Mike’s or elsewhere online in the last year or so. Which makes me wonder if the shear volume and accessibility of quality material exposing the lies has helped to peel off the arrogance layers more quickly – nothing like finding out you were conned to restore some humility.

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    I’m not arrigant, Imma just bettar.

  • aegerprimo

    Give birth to a god???
    ……………..

    • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

      Be homeless, find a shack, and claim you’re a virgin.

    • Supper Powers

      That has me in tears.

  • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

    “How to give birth to a god”
    One would assume an episiotomy and pain killers are still involved.
    As Lily Tomlin said, “What a time to go OFF drugs.”
    I’ve heard its like shitting a watermelon.
    Confirmation anyone?

  • Enturbulated Masterbator

    Mr Atack, this is by far your best post ever! A great combination of Hubbard-ese dissection and personal relatable observations. I aver I love you.

  • Robert Eckert

    Old bandmate of Captain Howdy found my RIP notice about him on YouTube, posted on the obit thread:

    http://tonyortega.org/2015/04/03/how-scientologists-are-dealing-with-the-populrity/#comment-2462119556

    • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

      Nice. Its a small world after all.

    • noseinabk

      Thanks Robert. I always thought he used Captain Howdy because of his love of horror films and the movie The Exorcist?

      • Robert Eckert

        That’s right.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Thanks, Robert. I’m so glad you had the foresight to do that.

      • Robert Eckert

        It wasn’t actually forethoughtful. I didn’t post over there when he died, but on Guy Fawkes Day, I was thinking about him, and went to YouTube to listen to him sing (Tony linked to it in the obit and Nat had repeated it during the HowdyCon discussions) and felt moved to post to his ghost.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Perfect. And on Guy Fawkes Day, too!

          • Sherbet

            Remembering our rebel on another rebel’s day.

    • Supper Powers

      I am enjoying watching folks race over to talk about Howdy with his friend.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I’m enjoying reading some of Sugarplumfairy’s comments about Howdy :)

        “[Howdy] affected all of us the same way.. he was ornery but sweet and very chivalrous.. A very good soul..”

        • Sherbet

          This is from an old sugarplumfairy email to me:

          The book and delivery is my gift to you for the great way you took care of our friend Howdy.. You were so special to him and so I know for a fact that he felt the love his last few months, even if nowhere other than the bunker.. He pretty much had his own fan club there made up of groupies who adored him.. And you were our leader..

          (Edit — I think sugarplum gave me entirely too much credit, because we all took care of Howdy.)

          (Second Edit — Nobody took care of Howdy. Howdy took care of himself, but, as far as I know, every regular Bunkerite loved the man.)

          • Qbird

            He had a special love, respect & affection for you Sherbet.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            For some reason Disqus has stopped notifying me of follow-up replies so I came across this quite by accident. I’m with sugarplum, Sherb. When Bury emailed me my heart sank to my shoes when I thought about how you would be taking the news. You and Howdy were so different but your bond was rock solid :)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      thank you

    • Kim O’Brien

      :)

    • Missionary Kid

      Thank you, Robert.

    • Qbird

      oh Robert. so good. thank you buddy.

  • Exterrier

    Right on as always, Jon Atack. I had more attacks and trouble from some recent disgruntled apostates a few years back, than I ever had within the fake church. It was all due to residual arrogance and presumption and suspicion. It is well behind me, but your words ring true, and I am careful not to speak freely around such people, but to nudge them in a good direction and simply stand back. My own personal progress and constant cheerfulness, and even help, was viewed at times as “1.1”. It is a very closed system of non thought.

  • ze moo

    “the drug-dazed labyrinth of Ron Hubbard’s mind was an {the} actual destination.”

    It was all about the money and the adoration of Lroon.

    Well said Jon.

  • Exterrier

    Jon, you will never quit doing this, because it is a calling, and you are simply the best and most precise deconstructionist out there, with the first hand background to back it up. We never quit doing those things we have mastered so well, and enjoy.

  • MaxSpaceman

    The Long Con.
    Conceived and Perpetrated by L. Ronald Hubbard Sr.

    Related by Bunkeroo Meepthorp, downthread.
    A striking testimonial to the Personal Destruction of the Long Con.

    — Waking up and realizing just how badly I was shafted

    — There are no truly intimate connections allowed without heavy interference from the organization

    — You look backward and realize what an ass you were

    — In leaving, loved ones still-in begin to look down upon you, judge you and finally attack you

    — When you’re declared, the organization makes every attempt to isolate you and destroy you

    — Humbled at the scope of the mind fuck

    — You appreciate more and more that you escaped

  • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

    TOT: So I refused to get a G+ account & couldn’t comment on Youtube videos when they made that requirement (in an attempt to get more G+ users). They actually MADE one for me a couple years ago, after I said NO repeatedly, so I maturely filled it with “FUCK GOOGLE+” over and over. Few days later I got a notice they had removed my G+ page as I had violated their TOS; but I sent them a message saying I had not since I hadn’t agreed to any and FUCK G+!! Never got another message to create a G+ account after that.

    The other night on youtube my whole history was GONE. And it was filled to the max. My playlists were there; but my history was GONE. They also changed my youtube name from Oevilone to Miss Tia. UM?? DAFUQ??? My channel addy is still the same–with the oevilone name. I don’t have a gmail either so I have no clue what the fuck they’re doing; but I just discovered I CAN COMMENT ON VIDEOS AFTER SEVERAL YEARS!!!!!!!!!!! I can also UPVOTE VIDEOS AGAIN!!!!!!

    So I’m going thru my videos and allowing comments now—cuz i couldn’t reply to them before. YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Still pissed about my history getting wiped out though and I have no idea how/why they changed my name; but whatever, my channel is the same. I CAN COMMENT!!! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • MM

      “my history was GONE. They also changed my youtube name from Oevilone to Miss Tia. UM?? DAFUQ??? My channel addy is still the same–with the oevilone name. I don’t have a gmail either so I have no clue what the fuck they’re doing”

      This sounds like they signed you into YT using your overall Google account (notice the missing ‘+’). Your Google account would be the one connected to your mobile device (tablet and/or phone), normally created when one first registers their device. It’s the one that enables your device to use any Google apps including the Google Play Store, meaning w/o one you couldn’t even download and install any apps.

      Usually one would create this Google account using their real name, which in turn would be the reason you’re now signed into YT using your real name.

      • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

        I’ve been logging into youtube with tia(at)misstia(dot)com for years with my YT user name being ‘oevilone’. It always showed ‘oevilone’ in the upper right corner. Til the other night, it suddenly showed ‘Miss Tia’. Then of course my history was GONE; but my playlists were there and my channel—oevilone–was still there. And I can COMMENT and like videos. I think this might have been something/somehow related to them removing the g+ requirement to be able to comment, even though i never had a g+. I did nothing different, I’m always logged into youtube on my PC.

        On my tablet I made an amusing to me gmail account since it’s an android and you must have one (fuckers) and I made up a name too (fuck them). I have never went to YT on my tablet, and if I had to remember the password for the tablet email I’d have no clue, don’t even check it—I hid that icon. So I never once logged into YT with that on my PC and there’s nothing associating them at all. WEIRD!!!! I once saw YT on eddie’s tablet–he got one like mine—and egads, I’m glad I avoid the mobile version.

  • KattBallou

    How fascinating it would be to create an interactive, visual map of contradictions, inaccuracies, and outright falsehoods in Dianetics in the style of the Bible Map located at http://bibviz.com. The sheer density and impenetrability of the text seems to act as a protective shield when Hubbard apologists are challenged with his actual word and beliefs. I suppose any unofficial treatment of the text would be considered entheta, but would it really? If it were only a method of cataloguing the primary text?

    • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

      Ain’t nobody got time for that! :)

      • aegerprimo

        Tru dat

      • KattBallou

        To be clear, that was a rhetorical question, as in “wouldn’t the outcome be fascinating”? As an actual project, the volunteer would have to give up their remaining time on this earth and, almost certainly, their sanity.

      • Cedilla

        “Ain’t nobody got time for that! :)”

        I love you!

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Word clearing the words “Xenu” and “body thetans” to Scientologists who are not yet up to the OT 3 level, is a public intro service back to the Scientologists.

      Since the vast majority of people who are in Scientology get shackled into the taboo language control where Scientology won’t even let their own members word clear “Xenu” and “body thetans” so as to connect those words to the OT levels 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7.

      Scientologists are not free to even clear up their own top zone of their religion, thus they don’t even fully understand the important history and details of the baddest engram which Scientology supposedly defuses and fixes for them.

    • Kim O’Brien

      dear god ..i can’t think of anything LESS fascinating

    • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorpy_Higginbotham Shorpy

      Go for it.

  • richelieu jr

    “Twenty-four year Scientologist Brown McKee testified at the Clearwater Hearings that as a physicist he knew that Hubbard was talking nonsense about physics, but was fascinated by his statements about Buddhism. I laughed out loud when I read this: As a Buddhist, I knew Hubbard was talking nonsense about Buddhism, but I was fascinated by his claims to scientific rigour.”

    This is the thing that has always left me perplexed: as a professional director and photographer, I can clearly see that self-declared master of these skills LRH was not only not a master but more than usually inept for a debutant. I therefore doubt his declarations on subjects I know less-to-nothing about.

    And yet, There are still some doctors, scientists and nutritionists in the cult.

    And don’t get me started on his business ideas.

    And these last seem to still be defended and sold by his victims.

    It seems to be a case of “Fool me once, more money to you– fool me twice thrice, five times-take my money and children too.”

  • Kay

    Well that item above about “How to birth a God” certainly caught my attention. I googled the two women listed. The first, Nayyirad Mohammed, is listed on the internet as the “first Nation of Islam MGT to complete Scientology Super Power Completion” (photo attached)

    “MGT” (Muslim Girl’s Training) in the NOI is listed as the following:

    “MGT classes were developed to teach domestic duties like cooking and nutrition, sewing, cleaning, housekeeping, child-rearing, religious instruction and the role of women in Muslim life and even personal hygiene and self-defense. Classes are generally held at least once a week.” So this is a “birthing a God” (or even a regular baby) expert?

    Heather Moll is apparently a retired lay midwife who now sells aloe vera on line. (Lay midwife…not to be confused with Nurse Midwives…who are RN’s with graduate degrees who work under the supervision of an OBGYN in hospitals or birthing centers. There are also some certifications for non-nurse midwives in some states, but she doesn’t list any of those certifications either)

    To quote Heather Moll in some of her writings that I found online:

    “I don’t teach a woman how to have a baby…I help her remember.” (WTH ?????)

    So, one of the main two women in this seminar is apparently a retired lay midwife with no formal credentials, the other has no verifiable medical experience in birthing. What are they teaching about childbirth and/or prenatal care in order to teach women to have superior babies? The possibilities are scary.

    • Techie

      Well, Kay, anyone who entrusts their delivery to these two charlatans is taking an unconscionable risk. As many have found, who entrusted their health and well-being to the care of true believers of all stripes, the ideology trumps all other concerns. It is like giving an addict a bit of sauna and a vitamin overdose, or telling an epileptic to take magnesium instead of medicine (as our Tory reports down thread). To the ideologue the details are just details, the important matter is the spread of the ideology. A few deaths or minor medical emergencies are nothing compared to the reflected glory of the dear leader. Maybe these women will lead some astray, maybe doctors will be called to somehow rescue those involved, maybe some will be harmed, but the important thing is that Hubbard said to be silent at birth! Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

      • Kay

        I agree with you totally. I worry that they are talking to women who are so cut off from medicine, insurance, information etc. that they will believe anything they say. That silent birth thing……beyond ridiculous.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Something I thought of listening to Techie is that most babies were home birthed when Hubbard was born. He was very fortunate to have a nurse in the family and a hospital to be born in. Given the complications as an extreme preemie, he most likely would never have made it. I think whatever care he got was before more was known and was a cause of many of his mental and physical symptoms, all of which abruptly and sharply popped up in his teens. Forget the term, but multiple signs of water on the brain at birth.

          And yet he preaches all this garbage to pregnant women. I don’t think the quiet is strange. At least up until the 70’s, hospitals had policies about quiet. But Hubbard really preached to home birthing. If his mother had done so, he may very well have died at home.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      But she can cook and clean and sew and throw an attacker over her shoulder. God can get awful hungry, he’s a slob like one of us, all that ravaging and railing is hard wear and tear on the robes, and he can get angry, real angry if you forget his snacks, so every god-birther worthy of the title knows her self defense.

      The address on that flier by the way is the scientology Life Improvement Center in St Petersburg, FL. They don’t even use the name of the place anymore, much less the red flag sign of scientology. What’s the odds of anything or anyone legit under the hood?

      • Kay

        “God-birther” that was funny. So the address is a Scientology facility? Not surprising. That is very interesting that they are not listing the name anymore. The odds of anything legit? Zero.
        I have a question for you: Since Scientology doctrine historically doesn’t seem to advocate birth or raising kids, why the sudden “how to birth a God” thing? Are they just targeting the NOI women? I found that to be sort of curious.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          First, there are policies and lectures and articles about raising a family, birthing (oh it’s hysterical). They are straight out of the early 50’s. Second, this whole “I am a god” thing is foreign to me – not what I was around. There are some major false info out there that has taken root – the OT levels were all about becoming more at cause, in control and yes, more horsepower but not over other people’s will or mind. They are about being More in your own world, your own life. The invisibile BT’s are part of it – and I think that’s where the confusion came in.

          This god-birthing business is some kind of out take on all this and seems more aligned to the NOI doctrines and the general holy mission of keeping wimmen down and in their place. It seems in scientology I’ve seen the country club set have become enamored with this I am a god theme. Seems to dovetail with their obvious narcissistic traits.

          It’s just getting weirder and weirder, Kay!

          • Kay

            Boy you are right….it IS getting weirder and weirder. I can see where “birthing a God” would totally appeal to the “big being” narcissists. I always appreciate your comments, I have learned a lot from reading them.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              tks and I am learning all the time here too. All that’s left of sci now .. it’s all pretty much one big 1950’s Bingo Hall/Fish Fry but bigger stakes and the catch du jour on steroids.

            • Kay

              LOL ! So true….

          • Observer

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              A hit parade of Hubbard Lullabies! Lullaby Ronald Hubbard. What a guy, what a dad! Thanks for the laugh at the end of my day.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              That demon should never, ever be able to hold an innocent little baby.

  • mikecrosby

    The cult I was in is called “The Local Church”, its leader Witness Lee. Of all Christendom, it was our little group that were to bring back the resurrected Christ.

    Eternity past, eternity future, it was time that connected the two. Time was created so that god could get married (time to prepare the bride) and his bride was/is us–The Local Church.

    Pretty heady shit and I’ve read where those who’ve left the church still defend it.

    Thanks Jon for writing this, even after 40 years out, I see how my own cult had such a powerful influence in my life.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Just did a quick search. Seems like there’s been lots of confusion about whether or not the Local Church is legitimately Christian or a cult.

      • coonellie

        Perhaps there’s some confusion (just like those who say Scientology is “just” a religion), but there’s no confusion among those who’ve been real up close and personal with them (or most apologetic ministries – except CRI and that’s another story for another day). Usually the same religious researchers/academics that support the LC are the same ones that support Scientology (think Melton, Barker, Introvigne, Richardson, Shupe, etc.).

        They act very much like Scientology corporate (and individually) as far as suing a person to death, harassing and dead-agenting critics and exes alike, and generally being some of the most obnoxious, arrogant and dogmatic people on the fringes of Christianity. Look up what happened to Jim Moran, or Harvest House, or SCP. There’s also the matter of essential doctrines being twisted, altered or conveniently repurposed with ‘insider’ language (so they sound legit, but the meaning is something completely different and they know it…sound familiar?), extensive control over members (in all aspects of life), us against them mentality, their position as the “only” church, etc.

        That is not to say that there are not Christians among them. But, they are a cult and I wouldn’t wish them on my worst enemy.

        Of course, this is my own opinion. (And, it’s nice that you seem to check what you read! I’ve noticed that and appreciate it :).

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Thanks for the explanation. Not doubting you at all Coonellie. Was just surprised to see the waters about them online so muddied. I remember reading about them as a cult many years ago and didn’t expect to see so much come up defending them as being legitimately Christian. Am curious and will look up Moran, Harvest House, etc.

    • coonellie

      I’m so glad you’re out!

      Unfortunately, the LC is still around and still up to their old tricks. Almost had a major run-in with a member on Christmas Eve.

  • richelieu jr

    No Nobel for “Old Man of the Sea Org”, but I hère y nominate Jon Atack for thé Punlister Prize!

  • beauty for ashes

    Had a laugh when I opened up the Bunker. Was Jon Atack on a red carpet lately?
    ” You said whaaat Mr Atack?”
    Next thing popping out of his mouth better not be about Nene Leakes! Ooooh!
    Okay, I swear I’ll read the article now.

    • beauty for ashes

      That was a thorough and thoughtful piece. Don’t forget to click the heart Y’all!

  • richelieu jr

    Let us take a moment of silence for the Anti-Hubbard, that opener of minds and possibilities, that teller of true case-studies and experiments. A true lover of Life, humanity and the Scientific Method (which, to the surprise of many Hubbardites, involves little to no obligatory pulling stiff out of your ass), author of “The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat”, as well as so many other wonderful books, the late, great Dr Oliver Sacks.

    • Kay

      I adore Oliver Sachs…….particularly re: “Awakenings”. He did some really nice articles for the NYT in 2015, when he knew he was dying. You might want to look them up if that would interest you. He was a remarkable man.

      • richelieu jr

        Yes, I have read them all, and all his books!

        He also gave some generous, open and touching intervieS, notably for Radiolab, for those who are interested.

        • daisy

          If you like Awakenings the book you may like the movie as well. It was very good

  • Supper Powers
    • Kay

      That’s great !!!

  • http://www.misstia.livejournal.com Miss Tia

    FFS….i have a vintage ads community…..i HAD a ‘keeper of the tags’ since i’m horrible at tagging entries….they were to run all ‘new’ tags by me though—their only rule….they went ahead and create a tag that could be very confusing for people in other countries this evening and i politely—really i was polite—messaged them pointing that out suggesting we word it differently and why…..we have had MANY such discussions before, with back and forth, and sometimes i have seen their point and conceded and sometimes they see my point and conceded and usually we compromise….

    TONIGHT though, he didn’t reply, he just deleted his contest entry that was a finalist, posted a schedule entry saying ‘goodbye’ and flounced away…..well i have changed the tag how i wanted it and deleted his scheduled entry…..then i sent him a message telling him why—cuz he didn’t have the courtesy to tell me first…..he had it posting in the middle of the night when i was in bed….just offhand i checked scheduled posts…..DAFUQ IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE?!?!?! i think our bowie posting for 2 days—no ads, just BOWIE, pissed him off too…..

  • PRenaud

    Now this article from Jon made me smile, as a never in I feel as if from the beginning when I started reading about $cientolody I slowly was unconsciously blending into their arrogant behavior when replying to their nasty critics… I gotta stop this. Thanks Jon for displaying this to me.

    On another note, I want to thank my sister Suzanne for listening to me, nobody in my family has ever showed interest in listening to what I’ve been trying to warn them about $cientology, this is a grand win for me.

  • richelieu jr

    What has two pointy fingers, one dead fat-Guy’s brain, and no money for a real education, yet thinks it is at cause over not only the entire universe but its own lame-itude?

    THESE GUYS!!!!!

    • Missionary Kid

      ^^^^^^ :-)

  • richelieu jr

    I can’t be the only person unable to read the part of the post about our Derek.

    Anyone care to post a link for me?

    • OceanMomma

      I can’t either. Might be because I use a tablet?

      • richelieu jr

        Well, I am on an iPad, somI’m going to guess you hit the nail on the head.

        Disappointing.

  • M from Toronto

    Always good to hear from Jon and Derek, but this time I’m distracted from their excellent efforts because I can’t process anything other than the fate of the unfortunate children who’re going to be born after their parents go all in on that gob smacking lecture advert.

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    If I had a Heart by Fever Ray with Lyrics
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHNJ8XKjUO4

  • Jo

    How to give birth to a god? Puke, we’re all unique, that’s a good thing.

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      They are pushing Dianetics blindly.

      • Jo

        Hi dodo, how’s u?

        • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

          Just like the song I posted below. You?

          • Jo

            Not bad, got to scroll down for the song, I’m guessing it’s heavy metal.

            • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

              I am glad. Not metal, for a change.

            • Jo

              I like it, chilled music.

            • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

              Good. Me too.

  • outraged

    “How to Give Birth to A God”
    This implies there are many gods– but only if following the God Commandments.
    When the wrong word or wrong action occurs the Godhood is revoked.

    Thou shall not make money for anyone other than DM.
    Thou shall not covet a home.
    Thou shall not love thy neighbor.
    Thou shall steal.
    Thou shall commit murder in my name.
    Thou shall act ridiculous in public.
    Thou shall wear costumes that make no sense.
    Thou shall generally deteriorate until leaving Scientology.
    Thou shall sell sea shells at the sea shore.

  • OceanMomma

    This is totally OT but I hope you’ll all forgive me. I haven’t been posting for long but over the years I have seen several of you make these types of requests and I hope that you will not mind me doing so as well. A bank in MA is having a contest for non profits based on Facebook image likes and I would like to ask all of you to support a great organization. Extras for Creative Reuse provides recycled and re purposed materials to teachers and community members. This serves the dual purposes of providing those who need them teaching and art supplies and giving donor businesses a way of getting rid of unneeded items saving them from landfills. I have been involved with this organization for years. They survive on a shoestring budget and volunteers/donors so winning $1000 would truly do a lot for them. If you would like to help by voting this is the link.
    https://m.facebook.com/salemfivebank/photos/pb.214030054477.-2207520000.1453001811./10154575437434478/?type=3&source=54

    THANK YOU!

    • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

      Anyone remember what the Saint Bernard Rescue Vote Link is? ;D

    • Qbird

      I clicked the link – then I just “liked” the page?? Does that do it?

      • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

        I think so. That’s what I did, too…

        • OceanMomma

          Thank you!

      • OceanMomma

        Yes all you have to do is “like” the image. Thank you so much!

  • Alex De Valera

    “The number of individuals in this category is minuscule when compared to all those worldwide who embrace the religion and the good Scientology does for the world. They are irrelevant to our historic growth.” I lové that one, specially “the good Scientology does for the world” just hilarious! The only massive expansion, historic growth and up and vertical stat of Scientology is the number of coffe cups spilled on computer keyboards. Karin you are so funny, please keep the show going.

    Concerning Atack, thank you for this marvellous response. A piece of blue sky is one of the first books that I read when I went out of the bubble and started my pilgrimage towards becoming a human being and heal my self of all the implants of the master of slaves, the madman, the liar, the most arrogant, evil man that has walked on Earth. He didn’t succeed in having millions of people “disposed of without sorrow” because he was too incompetent and a total failure, like is academic and war records. Thank you Jon for the great job you have been doing all this years. People like you and Tony don’t have the tons of cash and the armada of lawyers but you have truck on your side and that cannot be stopped even with 17 inch armour plate (dixit Hubbard).

    • Alex De Valera

      Erratum: read “you have truth on your side” oh these cell phones!

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    Sleep well Bunker.

    The Temper Trap – Sweet Disposition
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN7HQrgakZU

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Goodnight Dodo

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I think Daisy doesn’t hate this one.

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        Daisy is a secret metal head. It’s all good.

  • Nat-leficent
    • Supper Powers

      You’re pretty stinking cute right now!

      • Nat-leficent

        Yup XD

    • Kay

      Ewwwwwwww its a RODENT !! I am rodent-phobic the same way some people are clown phobic. Now I shall have nightmares tonight. I’m running from the room now…

      • daisy

        I wish a carrot would make me that happy, sadly it takes a whole chocolate pie to make me that blissful. You have probably seen terrible things in the ER and you squirm at a cute hamster. Too funny. I have the same reaction to gum and pictures of LRH

        • Kay

          Yeah, doesn’t make sense, huh? No matter what I’ve seen over the years, rodents freak me out the most of anything. You react that way to gum? I can understand that, actually. I went to visit the famous “gum wall” at Pikes Market in Seattle and felt the need to wash my hands like 50 times that day even though I didn’t touch any of the zillions of pieces of gum stuck to the wall. I kept wondering what germs I was inhaling since it was raining and windy. ewwwwwww.

  • Supper Powers

    Avert your eyes if you do not want to be blinded by the yellow shirts.

    • kemist

      Yaaarghhhhh !!!

      I’m blind, I’m bliiiiiiinnnd !!!

      • Kay

        LOL

    • Kay

      They are probably just packing up crappy food to send to the sea org kids…

    • Graham

      Out exchange surely? Unless they are cynically counting the publicity value of giving to the poor as being fair exchange.

  • outraged

    for those who can’t sleep:
    https://youtu.be/1Xhdy9zBEws

    • Kay

      That is weirdly hypnotic.

    • Captain MustSavage

      Thanks. Been a while since I’ve listened to some Royksopp.

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser
    • Qbird

      I know this song! love it.
      eta: Dodo, a SWAT cop [the one who gave me my nick] sent it to me.

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        It was might as well written for you.

      • Jo

        Hey Qbird x

        • Qbird

          Hiya Irish!

          Irish I had a beer right about now!

    • daisy

      beautiful song

    • noseinabk

      Nice one Dodo.

  • Jimmy3

    #OT #Packers #WOW #buticouldvemadethatthrowtoo #nosarcasm

    • Joy Lover (Ex-CS)

      #Great Game

  • Qbird

    Okay, it’s cold here now… I mean serious fucking cold. Walking home from work I see the moon is coming back up to full, nice to have light to walk by. The snow is super crunchy. The cats are wanting to go out, but I can’t let them out tonight. It’s a catnip situation.

    I think everyone, now & again, suffers from arrogance. I also think it’s possible to heal from it. :-)

    Today I rented the Toronto Conference / lectures, so that I can listen to them all in full…

    See you guys in a few days!

    lol

    • Jimmy3

      That’s thong weather

      • Kay

        You are soooo weird sometimes. :-)

        • Jimmy3

          Weird is just how God made me. I’m thinking it’s probably because God is a 6-week-old Scientologist.

          • Kay

            Laugh !!

      • Qbird

        Heh… inside, mabbe, baby, next to the fireplace!
        Jim, when it’s this cold, your gd nostrils freeze shut.
        So do front doors.
        Check this. On my facebook page yesterday morn.
        [oh nuts, I can’t post the screen shot, too many RL names in it… but]
        Quote from an employee who lives down the lake, 1st winter here, he’s from NC:

        6:35 a.m.
        ” Somebody help. My door is frozen shut!!
        *****************************************************
        Seriously, I can’t get out of my house.
        lol ”
        and then he names a bunch of neighbors. pretty funny.

        • Kay

          Yup….you can use a blow dryer for that, and for getting into your frozen car as well. (if you have an extension cord long enough) I live in a cold area.

        • Jimmy3

          Haah. That’s great. The only time I was ever in Minnesota,the front door was actually snowed in. My uncle was shoveling snow out of the foyer.

        • daisy

          Brr I have never appreciated the warm balmy winters of only minus 15 than the 30 yrs I spent in Wpg. Pretty much same weather as MInnesota My Ont. friends still have trouble believing we had to plug in our cars or they didn’t start. I have been back in Ont for 7 yrs and still bitching about Wpg. weather. As you know it is inconceivable until you experience it.

          • Kay

            Yes it is…..I grew up in Colorado and I remember one Christmas when it was 30 degrees below zero. That’s a hard thing to convey to someone if you haven’t experienced it yourself.

            • Jimmy3

              I thank the little Scientologist NOI god every day, because I live in the tropical area of Cleveland.

            • Kay

              LOL !! Do you have a little altar for your little Scientology God? And yes….when I think tropical, I ALWAYS think of Cleveland and it’s little palm trees swaying in the breeze. It’s where I want to go in the winter.

            • daisy

              LOL I agree wintering in Cleveland going to be the new snowbird destination. Florida has nothing on Cleveland.

            • Frodis73

              Lmao. This cracks me up because I bitch and complain when it drops below 45. Seriously, I HATE being cold. I’d shoot myself at -30.

          • Qbird

            exactly. Dress right & no whining allowed. Sometimes, you just don’t go out.
            It’s just winter; happens every year. You can count on it.
            But hey! No hurricanes, no tsunamis, no earthquakes, no volcanoes, hardly any tornadoes… this too shall pass.

            • Kay

              Two words: battery socks !!

            • daisy

              People born to extreme weather are a hardened breed. They walk around like it is normal for your nose to stick together, crunchy snow, your skin freeze in seconds etc. I bitched and whined loud and often . My friends divorced me for 6 months every year. I never got into the whole shut up and cope mentality, I did admire it in others though. Good for you.

            • Kay

              Hey that kind of weather is worth bitching over at times….as is “hat hair” that you get for the whole winter because you have to wear a knitted cap on your noggin.

            • noseinabk

              And no assholes asking if the snow is gluten free!

            • Qbird

              lol Nose!

          • And I’m Cute, Too

            I was born & raised in Ontario, and had family living in Winnipeg for a little while. I know whereof you speak.

            Even in NW Ont. I remember plugging in cars on really cold nights. But Winter-peg is a whole other ball game.

            • Missionary Kid

              A friend of mine from Wyoming went to school out here in California. She had a plug sticking out the front of her grille. When people would ask her what it was for, she’d tell them that it was an electric car. They were often impressed, thinking it was true.

            • And I’m Cute, Too

              Neat answer. She probably figured they’d never believe her if she told them the truth.

            • Missionary Kid

              She would let them in on the joke.

        • dungeon master

          Back in my misspent youth I worked in the oilfield in north Dakota. Every winter we’d get a week of -100 with wind chill. For that whole week all we did was haul our water hoses into the mud shed to thaw them out, then stringing them back out for a few hours of running water. Then it gets up to 0° and it feels so warm everyone walks around in their shirt sleeves like a bunch of idiots. I do not miss those days lol.

    • JaxNGold

      Holy shit… -15?! I wouldn’t last a second. I’m a big baby about the cold like most Southern Californians, but that level of cold is just uncalled for ..lol. My sister lives in Salt Lake City and we go there for Christmas. It absolutely breaks my heart when I see cats and dogs left outside. How can anyone leave their pets out in such extreme weather? It’s so cruel. Anyway, stay warm and cozy inside!

      • Qbird

        I know, I know… colder here outside right now, than inside your refrigerator freezer! No shit.
        The wind chill especially sucks.

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      Now, that’s winter. Stay warm!

    • Interested2

      Enjoy. I did. Found it really interesting. Only sorry there was not more or that I was not there.

  • Paul V. Tupointeau

    Karin Pouw isn’t even trying :-)

  • daisy

    BOWIE on Saturday night live ( obviously not live )

  • SP Wogsy

    How to Give Birth to a God? And here I was getting auditing to get through a 50 hour work week, lol. I guess, we all have to live out our personal myth somehow.

  • Dave Reams

    Narc con on in Maryland

    Even if the property was zoned for a rehab-center type use – aren’t there other legal hurdles such businesses must satisfy? Medical and Health, fire safety, food and sanitation, … ?

    I’ve never understood how Narconon has been able to offer treatment for a medical disorder in the first place. Could Scientology open up cancer or Aids treatment centers?

    • MaxSpaceman

      Yes, most easily across the border in Mexico. Get touch assists for cancer, for HIV/Aids.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Shooting in Louisiana, the end of month
    ‘Jack Reacher: Never Go Back’
    Casting notice is running now, for “Military operatives”

  • OOkpik

    OT…cute
    Can we ever be friends?
    pic

    • OOkpik

      Oops…here it is.
      Eta: Warning for Kay: It’s a…um..errr…rodent.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    That t-shirt pic is begging to be shooped…

  • DexterSka

    Remember, when John Atack left he didn’t have John Atack’s writing to help him out.

    • Dice

      True :-)

  • Lighthouse

    Another fabulous article by Jon Atack. It’s true. This is exactly what I’ve observed. Fortunately for me, I was privy to Messiah or Madmen early after my defection and didn’t loiter AT ALL with the Independents. I lost immediate trust and faith in Hubbard. I’d also studied nearly all the admin tek and the basics and lectures (and much, much more) and could quickly see why after so much study, my life had not improved much but to the contrary. Also, happiness eluded me and I couldn’t relate to the people easily who were, for the most part, a mean bunch and fanatics.

  • Lighthouse

    A great interview with Derek Bloch. Thanks for your honesty, Derek, and for your efforts to let as many people as you can, the truth. I salute you.

  • Lighthouse

    Now, they’re giving workshops on how to give birth to gods?

  • http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/ Jonny Jacobsen

    Forgive me if this point has been made already, but that “How to give birth to a god” flyer rather makes Jon’s point for him.

    • Dice

      Hi Jonny – what you mean?

      • http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/ Jonny Jacobsen

        Hi Dice. I think it speaks to Jon’s point about the delusions of grandeur inside Scientology. As much as they might want to believe it, they are not acquiring god-like powers inside the movement.

        • Sherbet

          Is it especially creepy that NOI seems to be involved in this god-birthing thing?

          • http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/ Jonny Jacobsen

            It adds interesting wrinkle, but I don’t know enough about NOI’s core beliefs to be able to tell how much of this is coming from their belief system.

        • Dice

          Ohh! Yeah. I can see what you mean… But i don’t think Tony selected that picture to make that connection. It must have been a fluke, but it does show how self important they are. Hey! any news from the front in Belgium? That’s where you are right?

          • http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/ Jonny Jacobsen

            You’re right, it was a fluke: but a serendipitous one.

            I was only commuting to Belgium: I’m back home in Paris now. The trial hearings are over, but i’m still writing them up over at Byline. Here’s the latest one, which I posted this morning. https://www.byline.com/project/28/article/732

            The judgment is due on March 11 and all being well, I be there to report it.

            • Dice

              Cool… thanks for the update, i will read it and looking forward to this – Judgment day!

              (serendipitous) he he, had to look it up :-)

              ETA: Wow!

              “The only thing that I wanted to do was to help people,” he said, in tears.” – That’s the core problem in my world. That Help thing!
              Anyway, will Tony O write up on this before March 11 ?

  • Dice

    Jon – if you see this. For the love of God (or something) Thank you so much! Been reading all night and all day, also the unusual interesting comments. I really hope you will put this serie into a new book as this is the most important and revealing explanations i have seen on the subject. It bugs me though, this “thing” with Gerry!

  • Spackle Motion

    Thanks for this article, Jon. This helps explain some of Rathbun’s extreme arrogance and asshole-like behavior when confronted with polite and reasonable questions that shattered his world view.

    I still think, though, that many former zealots (recent and long timers) have pathological narcissism which is why they still need to feed an out of control ego and struggle to let go.

  • randomity

    Interesting that scientologists now believe in a god, cute one too.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      If the Scientologists did their L. Ron Hubbard full reading homework, they’d eventually stumble over the 1940 L. Ron Hubbard short novelette titled “One Was Stubborn” where in a future earth a cult leader named George Smiley did successfully run a “new” religion that delivered full Scientology “as is” powers to each human being so much so that the collective reality of the world vanished as the humans all “as ised” the world.

      Leaving the humans as pure souls, inhabiting this nether world, where the hero of the story just can’t live with this God like supreme power status, and he hankers to return to the good old solid earth life, and so he falls back to earth, back into history before when he lived, to tell the “One Was Stubborn” story.

      Philosophically, the “One Was Stubborn” Hubbard 1940 story is a good as it gets, and Scientology NEVER gets that good.

      The “One Was Stubborn” 1940 story, although unmentioned by Hayakawa, that is the Hubbard story that DOES make Hayakawa’s points!

      “One Was Stubborn” pegged L. Ron Hubbard’s ideas of God, which expert full readers of the whole Hubbard crap massive Scientology tomes, there’s the 1963 Hubbard written Time Track Bulletin with the “Home Universe” explanation sentences, including the Hubbard comment that there likely is no “God” hiding behind it all, which show Hubbard’s views of God, as good as God gets. And that’s as good as OT 8 and “God” for Scientologists today, all gets.

      Experts, that’s my tip.

  • Dice

    I just had to give those two fools, an attitude adjustment F5

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      All praise to L. Ron Hubbard’s SuperPower Building!

      There is so much more to be read into this photo.

      Human history in that little corner of Clearwater, Florida, came to these two humans raising their arms in this religious like bowing praising motion.

      How misconstrued this photo could be taken!

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    The Braverman story is exceptional.

    Hayakawa I think makes the best assessment of Hubbard’s fictional mindset and story drama thinking making Hubbard think his Scientology would have that actual real power to do good in society.

    From Hubbard’s fictional good striving mind, to Miscavige’s Philly skyscraper service center for Scientology mind.

    Using skyscrapers to sell stairways to heaven, carrying on the delusional dreams of an unchecked mediocre sci fi writer and wishful civilization change-master L. Ron Hubbard.

    Gosh I wish the “civilization changer” advice from ASI could be made public. Hubbard when pondering with ASI staff over what role of Hubbard’s to present to the world, Hubbard laments that “civilization changer” isn’t a well established earth history known label that anyone’s attained. Hubbard thought it would be too much to give to himself, although he thought he deserved the “civilization changer” label.

    Hubbard’s untold ASI traffic, I wish I wish Shelly would dig it up and leak it to Wikileaks.

    What a blog article!

    Just so on point supportive of L. Ron Hubbard’s megalomania mental heights.

  • Fink Jonas

    “Maitreya and the Anti-Christ”… LRH wants to be all, lived it all, knows it all, and we are just little genetic entities living in his world, he even created a bridge so we can become an extension of source, just like life itself he intended to invade every corner of the world and what is worst YOUR MIND, what a freaking narcissist POS.