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Our Scientology tech experts review Lisa McPherson’s grim cycle of guilt and self-blame

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[Claire Headley and Sunny Pereira]

Twenty years ago today, at three in the morning, Brenda Hubert woke up in her Orlando hotel room to find her roommate, Lisa McPherson, sitting on her, holding her arms down.

Two days earlier, Brenda and Lisa had traveled together by car from Clearwater to attend a business conference. They were co-workers at AMC Publishing, and the National Association of Independent Life Brokerage Agencies annual meeting was the biggest convention of the year for AMC. During the first two days of the conference, Brenda watched as Lisa had acted increasingly strangely. But late on the second day, a Thursday night, Lisa had managed to get through the company’s hosting of a hospitality suite without trouble and she had returned to their room at about midnight. Brenda herself got to the room at about 1 am and saw that Lisa was sleeping soundly.

Now, just a few hours later, in the early hours of Friday, November 17, Lisa appeared to be out of her mind. As she held Brenda down, Lisa urged her to get up and get dressed, saying that they were in terrible danger and that Brenda had to help her save the planet before it was too late.

“I couldn’t get her to calm down. She was ranting. Finally I shoved her off me and screamed at her to come to present time and knock it off,” Brenda wrote in a report about the event two days later. “She was going on and on about needing to be more responsible and that she had fucked up so badly that she couldn’t make amends for it — that she didn’t know how to do what was being asked of her.”

Lisa said the planet needed saving, and now. But as Brenda indicated in her report, Lisa also felt responsible for whatever it was that was threatening the entire world, that it was her fault that things were crumbling around her.

Two decades later, it’s perhaps a little clearer to understand why Lisa felt that way. And it had to do with Scientology.

Two days earlier, before they had left for the conference, Brenda had been told by Lisa’s Scientology “ethics officer,” a woman named Katie Chamberlain, that Lisa was working on a Scientology process, and that she had been having some trouble with it. She asked Brenda to “8-C” Lisa, meaning to take control of her and monitor her closely.

In fact, for weeks Lisa had been writing up a series of confessional notes for Chamberlain. It was the latest Scientology “handling” in Lisa’s roller-coaster career in the church. In June, she’d had a nervous breakdown, and admitted to Brenda that she was having suicidal thoughts. Lisa took a leave of absence from AMC and checked herself into the Fort Harrison Hotel, the hub of Scientology’s “Flag Land Base” in Clearwater. A woman named Susanne Schnurrenberger was assigned to take Lisa through something called the “Introspection Rundown.”

Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard came up with the Introspection Rundown while he was running Scientology from the sea on the yacht Apollo. In 1973, a crew member, Bruce Welch, had gone berserk in a psychotic fit. Hubbard had Welch confined to a cabin and gave instructions that Welch should not be spoken to or experience other sensory input, as much as was possible on an ocean-going yacht. Hubbard theorized that the psychotic was someone who had turned inward, and giving them the silent treatment would force them to come out of their introversion to normalcy. Several weeks later, Welch was allowed out, and he did seem to have improved. Hubbard, with characteristic modesty, announced that he’d come up with the solution to all human psychoses with his method. The second person he used it on was his own son, Quentin.

At the end of several weeks at the Fort Harrison Hotel, Lisa McPherson did seem to have improved after her own experience of the rundown. She continued her Scientology counseling, and, as multiple eyewitnesses allege, her case was being watched closely by Scientology’s leader himself, David Miscavige. On September 7, Miscavige, watching Lisa’s auditing from a remote “look-in” room in the Fort Harrison Hotel, determined that Lisa had gone “Clear.” Lisa celebrated this milestone with her friends, relieved to have finally reached what is a landmark event for any Scientologist. But she continued to struggle at her job at AMC. In 1993, Lisa had been the company’s top salesperson, making $136,000 that year. But now she was selling little at a company that was owned by Scientologists and run using Scientology concepts. In October, as she went through another “ethics” action, the lines between AMC and the Church of Scientology were blurred. Lisa began an intense series of Scientology confessionals, trying to understand why she was struggling at her job.

Claire Headley, a former Sea Org worker who was so technically advanced she oversaw the auditing of Tom Cruise before she left the church in 2005, explains that when a Scientologist’s “statistics” are down, they are often asked to do something called “Overt/Withhold” write-ups. (In Scientology lingo, an overt is a venal act, particularly against the organization, and a withhold is information that someone is holding back, a secret, which occurs after an overt.)

“In my time in Scientology I think I easily did hundreds of O/W write-ups,” she says.

When Scientologists aren’t performing well (as in, for example, bringing money into the organization), they are asked to write confessions about what it is they have done that is not in Scientology’s best interests, or other withheld secrets about their personal lives.

In Scientology, if you aren’t doing well, it’s always your own fault, and generally, it’s because you’re harboring secret animosity for Scientology itself.

Claire explains that O/W write-ups have a particular form, and they are checked by an auditor using an e-meter, to make sure that the subject has revealed everything and isn’t holding back more withholds. The results are stored in a subject’s folders and the information is “actionable” — it can be used against the subject in the future.

“It’s all about making yourself out as the bad guy, until, at the end, you are supposed to feel a big relief. It’s just one example of the many mindfucks in Scientology,” Claire says. “It’s very easy to get to the point where you can feel, if not exactly suicidal, like an end would be better than grueling through it anymore.”

Looking at Lisa McPherson’s O/W write-ups for early November 1995, Claire says that they would be familiar to any Scientologist, if more intense than usual.

“They were putting some serious pressure on this woman,” she says. “And it is not uncommon in Scientology for people to ‘crack’ while under heavy ethics handling, and then need the Introspection Rundown, suicide watches, or other such extreme measures. So yes, in that regard, while the O/W write-up itself is not out of the ordinary, the length and depth of it is.”

We asked another former Sea Org member, Sunny Pereira, to look at the O/W write-ups that Lisa wrote between October 31 and November 12, just a few days before her trip to Orlando.

“She is clearly blaming herself for everything around her in the company,” Sunny says as she went through the 43 pages of confessional notes that Lisa wrote. “Wow, she is really beating herself up for every little thing.”

Sunny noted that the write-ups weren’t correctly formatted, something Scientology is usually very specific about. But whether Lisa was writing them correctly or not, the message was crystal clear: Lisa was sure that she was the source of all her own problems. “She talks about her stats crashing for good in February 1995,” Sunny said. “She is spun in about everything being her fault.”

In several of the write-ups, Lisa shares intimate details from her sexual experiences, starting as a child. And even in these, she finds ways to blame herself that make a reader wince. “She’s saying that she ruined a guy’s life because she decided that she didn’t want a relationship with him anymore. Poor girl. She is so worried about everyone else rather than taking care of herself,” Sunny said.

“She sucked her thumb when she was three years old — and she wrote about it as an overt. Wow.”

On November 3, Lisa wrote that a couple of years earlier, in October 1993, she met a guy in a Dallas country-dancing bar. She knew that in a couple of months she’d be moving to Florida, and so it made no sense to start dating someone new. But she had an instant attraction to the guy, and asked him to dance. She let him walk her to her car afterward, and saw what he was driving — a heap, another reason, she reasoned to herself, that she shouldn’t get involved with him. He called her several days later, apologizing for not calling sooner because he’d been in jail. The guy was a disaster, and everything about him told her he was not boyfriend material. Still, she was attracted to him, and they later went out dancing and then decided, after much discussion, to sleep together until she left town, practicing safe sex by using condoms.

And although this was, in 1993, a 34-year-old single woman who had every right to decide to have a responsible, short-lived fling with a wayward Texas cowboy, her write-up about the incident is entirely about her feelings of guilt — guilt, that is, over how much her actions inconvenienced her friend and employer, Bennetta Slaughter.

While Lisa was seeing the man, her work at AMC Publishing had taken a nosedive — her stats, as a saleswoman, had crashed. And this was Scientology, so Lisa assumed that her “overts” in her second dynamic (her bad behavior in sexual matters, her “2D”) were directly responsible for her sales plummeting. (A connection she offers no evidence to prove.) And so, by her reckoning, Lisa had harmed her friend Bennetta twice, by not telling her about her “2D” adventures, and by hurting Bennetta’s business over it.

In Lisa’s mind, she had pulled Bennetta into her hellish problems because of her decision to secretly sleep with a man for a few weeks…

I never told Bennetta what it was I had committed her to. What ended up happening is my stats crashed at work and no one knew what I was doing so no real ethics handling could occur. I set a bad example of a Scientologist, my comm line with Bennetta was destroyed with massive withholds, production was lost, our friendship was severely damaged because I am not being a friend, I am dumping all my personal responsibility on her making it impossible to be her friend. Her trust in me is worthless but she does not know that so she is making decisions and trusting me when I have long since betrayed her.

The slightest mishap in her life Lisa now saw as something she had brought on herself, and the reason her life had been harmed.

In her final write-up, written three days before she left for Orlando, she remembered an incident in school that she now saw as a major reason that her life was so screwed up…

The first day of second grade. I sat down in the class on the third row second from the front, I was a good student and did not want to miss anything. The teacher wrote a word on the chalkboard which I did not understand. The word was VOWEL. I was blank on the meaning. She asked the whole class if anyone did not know the definition of this word and no one raised their hand. I did not know and I did not raise my hand. I ruined my education because from there on out I would not clear my words and I instead, would figure out the word from the text as I did that day in the classroom.

The “misunderstood word” is a central tenet in Scientology’s “study tech,” a rubric Scientologists learn early in their careers as part of Scientology indoctrination, that everything good in your life comes from Scientology, and everything bad was your own fault.

And Lisa clearly believed that with utter certainty. For failing to raise her hand in the second grade and admit that she misunderstood the word vowel, her entire education had been ruined, which led to more failures and even risking the future of the planet.

Several months after she’d been suicidal, she was going into another difficult period of mental health. And while that was happening, Scientology had her, day in and day out, finding ways to blame herself for everything negative in her life, making her believe she was a terrible friend, a betrayer, someone who was at fault for everything bad in the world.

Now, on Friday, November 17, Lisa was beginning to lose her grip on reality. The entire world was at risk, and it was all her fault, she told Brenda Hubert in her 3 a.m. freakout.

Brenda managed to calm Lisa down, and got her back to sleep. But later that day, Brenda and the other AMC employees decided that Lisa needed to go home. So she and Brenda left the conference early and drove back to Clearwater that afternoon.

As she helped Lisa take her luggage into her apartment, Brenda thought about what Katie Chamberlain had told her three days earlier, before the trip. Chamberlain, alluding to Lisa’s work doing the O/W write-ups, had said that Lisa was acting oddly, but that Lisa was faking it, and that there was really nothing wrong with her.

Brenda now knew that what was bothering Lisa was quite genuine. She told Lisa to get some sleep and to call Katie in the morning. Then she went home.

She never saw Lisa again.

 
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BOOK NOTES
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Posted by Tony Ortega on November 17, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    The latest from Jonny Jacobsen in Belgium – “The Suicide Memo”.

    https://www.byline.com/project/28/article/598

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Ooohhh, I can’t wait to dig into this post. Thanks for sharing!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        It is very apt today.

        • Eivol Ekdal

          And why, the judge asked, had the document gone to the OSA?
          “Because this type of document is handled by them,” she answered.
          “So this woman was a danger to Scientology,” said the judge.
          “Yes, I suppose so. It seems a bit like that.”
          Read more at:https://www.byline.com/project/28/article/598

    • Wow.

    • Sid (Phil)

      If they could get away with it I wouldn’t put it past them to have a “Negligent Homicide Memo” they’d get signed by parishioners.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I know this is rhetorical even before I say it, but can you believe they tried to get a suicidal Scientologist to sign a waiver absolving them of all blame? After she had spoken of wanting to end her life because of Scientology?

        • Juicer77

          I’m glad the judge asked question after question until she SAID it. On the record. This enrages me beyond measure. No empathy, no care at all for this poor woman except to protect the organization.

          • salin

            On the record. Let that sink in Scientology.

          • Sherbet

            The judge’s role in this case is interesting and very different from that in a US court.

            • Missionary Kid

              Someone can correct me on this, but under their law, a judge is a finder of fact, so they question people in front of them far more than a U.S. judge would. I believe that they can act in a investigation role, something that is not done in the U.S.

            • Sherbet

              I imagine it has its pluses and minuses, but it’s kind of cool here.

            • Missionary Kid

              I believe that their legal system is based more on Napoleonic law, rather than English common law, as American law is.

            • Sherbet

              Ah. You’re very smart, Kid.

            • Missionary Kid

              Please don’t take that as gospel, because I spouted it without looking it up.
              Odd fact: In Louisiana, civil law is based on Napoleonic law. Criminal law is based on the same English common law, like the rest of the U.S. Again, I didn’t look that up, and NOLA can correct me on that.

            • Sherbet

              I won’t quote you. And I do like a person who reads.

            • Missionary Kid

              The feeling is mutual.

            • Missionary Kid

              I was wrong. It’s not based on Napoleonic law. From Wikipedia: Law in the state of Louisiana is based on a more diverse set of sources than the laws of the other forty-nine states. Private law–that is, substantive law between private sector parties, principally contracts and torts–has a civil law character, based on French and Spanish codes and ultimately Roman law, with some common law influences.[1]

          • One Human

            Being that the defendant has been out of Scientology since 2010, she seemed a slight bit more willing to divulge information, even if it did take repeated questioning.

            • Juicer77

              She is still being evasive and trying to put the best slant on the Co$ actions. But if she has family still “in” she may be trying to mitigate any Fair Gaming. Like it will make any difference. The minute her name came up she was anathema as far as they were concerned.

        • salin

          Callous indifference. More effort put in getting a signed disclaimer than in making sure that she was going to harm herself. That is an ugly underbelly to show.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Yes, exactly that. Thanks, Salin.

            • salin

              If the judge hadn’t been so well prepared, versed, and dogged in his questioning, that underbelly would be unseen. Now it is in court record. Bravo Judge!

        • Sid (Phil)

          Pretty pathetic, and so morally low.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            and possibly criminally negligent.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      She suggested this woman see a doctor, then come to find out the doctor was a pediatrician (who of course was a Scientologist).

      *smacks forehead* Well, of course! The first thing I think of when I see an adult in mental distress is a pediatrician. SMFH

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        How unusual. Usually it’s a chiropractor 🙁

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Right? Guess it’s good it wasn’t a dentist either. I do love that this Judge is clearly pointing out how covering their ass seems to be more important than anything else.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Just finished reading it. When will the IRS start reading these memos? Heartless, just heartless.

            • dagobarbz

              There’s no law in place that would stop the cult from doing the same thing that worked last time; launch hundreds of nuisance suits against the IRS. That example should have demonstrated that agencies need broader protection from tactics like this, but they dropped the ball.

              However, a dwindling number of supporters could have less impact. Maybe they’d scrape together 20 suits or something these days. It’d be interesting to see.

    • Nat-leficent

      ^^^^

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks, Andrea – appreciate your keeping up to date on these. It’s the court case we all have wanted to hear in a U.S. court for years!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        You’re so welcome, love. I just happened to be on Facebook when Jonny posted it. I’ve noticed other Bunkerites sharing Jonny’s blog posts minutes after they go live. It seems we’re all particularly interested in this court case 🙂

    • Nat-leficent

      This story is ideal to comment on or retweet

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      “Overts and Withholds; PTS; the judge seemed to be suggesting that so far as he could tell from the documents in front of him, Scientology had been treating her as a problem rather than trying to help her.”

      Where do I sign up for this judge’s fan club?

      • ze moo

        I signed up in the comments. Good Judge (rubs his head) good judge…..

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          That made me chuckle. This judge deserves all the cookies.

  • Missionary Kid

    This is Off Topic, but I believe it bears on the topic of how to deal with Kool Aid drinking $cientologists we come in contact with.

    This article, in the New Yorker, is about a woman who left the Westbro Baptist Church [The people who protest with signs that say “God Hates Fags”], parallels Tory’s experience in leaving $cientology. Kindness caused this woman to doubt the rigid beliefs she was raised in and brought her out of what is probably the most hated cult in the U.S. I found it fascinating reading.
    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/11/23/conversion-via-twitter-westboro-baptist-church-megan-phelps-roper

    • salin

      Very interesting article.

    • Miss Tia

      Oh I read that last night, excellent read!!

      • Missionary Kid

        The article can also be used for people who are in cults. I believe it’s Steven Hassan’s idea to get someone in a cult to look at another cult. They will, of course love to point out the errors in the other cult’s thinking. eventually, they will see the same kind of thinking in their own cult.

        Maybe it can be used for someone in $cientology.

    • beauty for ashes

      Thank you Mish. This was just a beautiful article. The writer treats Megan with equal amounts of love and respect, when she is in the church, and when she gets out. That’s no small feat.

      • Missionary Kid

        As with many of the articles in the New Yorker, it’s an in depth look at a person. It also reveals a lot of what is going on inside the cult. The denials from the leader sound just like the lies that are told by Miscavige’s sock puppets, but they aren’t as insulting.

  • Dave Reams

    Some of you people are scaring the body thetans right out of me! (either that or you are OSA grying to cause trouble)

    • B4you

      What’s going on?

    • Nat-leficent

      Hi! What’s your deal Dave Reams?

      • salin

        I think he is bothered by what he thinks is poor sourcing (based on an earlier exchange on the thread), and that folks (like me) are accepting of and commenting/responding to the post.

        • Nat-leficent

          I meant more generally. He/she has been around for a year or so and makes contradictory statements all the time — just wondering if everything is okay with him/her.

          • Supper Powers

            Poor thing.

            • Nat-leficent

              Idk. I’m seriously just wondering if it’s like a cry for help or something. Otherwise, what is the point?

            • Eclipse-girl

              I do not know, but be cautious.

            • Nat-leficent

              You know me. I don’t trust anyone till they give me reason to XD

          • salin

            Cool, and kind.

        • Eclipse-girl

          why would David reference a slime web site supported by Co$?

          • Nat-leficent

            Maybe a confused indie or a troll trying to pull off satire?

            • salin

              Hard to tell. Veering all over the place, your earlier description/concern makes sense.

            • Nat-leficent

              Just has a truly confusing comment history: hates DM, attacks the bunker, seems to like Hubbard etc. Just complex as complex can be. Also very restrained yet persistent. Weird.

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              Free Zoner?

            • Nat-leficent

              Idk. Maybe. That’s why I directly asked about his/her “deal”

          • salin

            No, he started asking about Tony’s sources for today’s post. And got into what I think was an extended analogy – or I am just reading it wrong (always possible.)

            • Eclipse-girl

              I do not know.

              Maybe I am reading it wrong too, but go back down there and read the reply he wrote to my comment. NOLA and I replied to that comment, too

        • pluvo

          Didn’t we just ‘loose’ one who was trying to be funny (kind of) and trying to get attention, used Scio slang and then got offensive?

          • salin

            yep.

    • Nat-leficent

      Are you okay?

    • flyonthewall

      you need to destimulate! Go outside and do a locational on yourself

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    Off-Topic: 37 years ago on this day, our nostaglia was blighted by this abomination.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvYl9cPibjk

    • One Human

      And yet the childhood memory of it is still delighted.

    • A dark, dark night, so very long ago . . .

    • order66

      I work in a thrift store, where all the merchandise is donated. About two years ago, a bootleg VHS copy of the Holiday Special arrived. Problem was, the company doesn’t allow employees to shop in the stores where they work except for randomly chosen shop days. We didn’t get a shop day that week, and by the time we did, some other masochist of a Star Wars fan had bought it.

      • beauty for ashes

        I have soo much empathy for you! How can they not let you shop?? That’s just cruel!

        • order66

          They don’t let us shop because the specific merchandise we sell and the prices we charge aren’t set in stone. We have guidelines, and only a few set prices. So if I’m sorting through donations and find a vintage Star Wars action figure that’s worth a couple hundred dollars, or an antique pocketknife for my dad, if I was allowed to shop in my store anytime, I could price those items for $1.99 apiece and cheat the company out of money. It’s easy to see how even honest employees could give into temptation. When we are allowed to shop, we find out that very day, and managers keep a close eye on every transaction.

    • Sejanus

      Man it had it all…
      Mark Hamill in more makeup than a street walker…
      Carrie Fisher high as a kite…
      Harrison Ford angry and wanting to be anyplace else…
      They say on a foggy night in the Presidio, if you say Alderaan 3 times fast you can hear George Lucas screaming vengeance in the distance.

  • romanesco

    I have absolutely no way of justifying posting this here. File it under Comic Relief.
    https://38.media.tumblr.com/ab9521a0013415086a8b29954eb22e08/tumblr_mhntarVseG1s561vro1_250.gif

    • B4you

      So much going on!

  • Sunny Sands

    (F5)Here is a pic of a business size card I found next to the Bank of Clearwater in the gutter about 2 years ago. It appears to be a help card that says on the front “Warning: Scientology is a Dangerous Cult ©2013 The Lisa McPherson Trust”. Of course, there was no LMT in 2013.

    There was an earlier discussion wondering if scientology would try to trap it’s own members by pretending to be somebody they weren’t. Was this card a trap, intentionally left on a known Sea Org path? Maybe.

    • dagobarbz

      Curious, since the LMT closed down in 2ooo, yet it says 2013 on the card.
      Almost like somebody would want you to think the organization is still active…

    • No links or contact information on the other side?

    • Sid (Phil)

      Scientology trying to keep the injunction alive?

  • J. Swift

    I had been following the details of Lisa’s death and the activities of Church on ARS and a few other websites. In late 1998, I was at LAX and had purchased a few newspapers and a novel to take on the long flight ahead. I sat down to have a cup of coffee and opened the Washington Post. I read:

    The Life & Death of a Scientologist

    After 13 Years and Thousands Of Dollars, Lisa McPherson Finally Went ‘Clear.’ Then She Went Insane.

    By Richard Leiby
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Sunday, December 6, 1998;

    “I am L. Ron Hubbard,” the woman on the hotel room bed announced in a robotic voice. “I created time 3 billion years ago.” She rambled on and on, every outburst dutifully scribbled down by those assigned to watch
    her.

    “I can’t confront force . . . I need my auditor . . . I want to take a toothbrush and brush the floor until I have a cognition.”

    The story of how Scientology leader David Miscavige killed Lisa McPherson by his gross incompetence, really his practicing medicine without a license, is a story that needs to be retold in a movie.

    Scientology’s “Kidnap Contract” is what allowed Miscavige’s co-conspirators to pull Lisa McPherson out of the hospital where she could have received proper lifesaving medical care. The Kidnap Contract: http://www.scribd.com/doc/221518045/Church-of-Scientology-Religious-Services-Contract

    http://scientologymoneyproject.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/legal-crippling-2.png?w=620

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Egads! Another school sending a class to the ridiculous CO$ “Psychiatry: An Industry of Death” museum this week:
    PHOTO CAPTION – “Touring the Psychiatry Museum with my #medicalassistant classes #ConcordeCollege”

    https://instagram.com/p/-ClU-MC0Vt/?taken-at=220254489

    And another one last week…
    https://instagram.com/p/9o_nypjSry/?taken-at=220254489

    • jane456

      I am pretty sure that is one of the for profits that is being investigated currently. Those students need to lawyer up and start asking for refunds.

      • One Human

        Reading the reviews of said college, it sounds shady.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Birds of a feather…

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Wonder what their bird dog commission is for potential recruits? Scientology – for chrissakes, die already – the corpse is stinkin’ up the neighborhoods.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              CODE BLUE!

      • Nat-leficent
      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Exactly! Medical assistants, dental assistants, untransferrable credits. A scam within a cult within a con with a scam. The state attorney generals’ offices in each of the states they are currently ripping people of their time and few dimes needs to know that Scientology is grooming these types of groups.

        And when I say grooming, it’s obviously not for their money. Scraping the barrel, they are.

    • Nat-leficent

      Ugh, I hate these predatory colleges. Look at all the largerly minority students headed toward a ‘future’ saddled with substandard degrees and tens of thousands in debt!

      • jane456

        And no jobs.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I was hoping all these types would be shut down by now but then, progress is slow. We’ve got both nurses And teachers now protesting in the streets and some striking. Many of the top ones left several years ago, that could afford to with the housing situation being what it was and still is for some areas. What breaks my heart is hearing the children who sound defeated. Most have given up and are pursuing different fields. These predators slithered in and that’s been the last poisonous bite. That’s in Florida – Concorde operates here – I don’t know about the other states they’re in. There is a crisis exploding now here in numerous areas. Leave it to the scientology parasite to move in for the spoils.

        To see this picture, especially today, damn. Wonder if this is Hollywood or there’s an exhibit in Tampa or elsewhere in Florida. The State’s Attorney’s office should get a look at this.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          These photos are at the Hollywood location.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Thanks. So we have any California Bunkerites who want to send this off to your State Attorney’s office? You’ll have to give them a one paragraph explanation of this exhibit – don’t forget to mention the part about scientology “teaches” them the Holocaust was caused by the Evil Psyches! There should be a special unit? that is investigating the for profit educational predators, but I’m not familiar with CA.

            • salin

              Kamala Harris has been very responsive (California AG), more so than AG Biondi, in Florida. I think her office (Harris) would appreciate the letter.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              She’s now running for the Senate.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              No need to waste a minute or a word on Biondi. Go around, thru, under or over that one – for absolutely Anything.

            • ConcepcionImmaculadaPantalones

              I know several people who have written to Harris about their concerns regarding the for profit ‘colleges’ – there was news the other day reporting yet another one (Westwood I believe) had decided to stop new enrollments and current students were told that their classes *should* continue through another year to allow as many as possible to complete their programs. The students that spoke to press seemed doubtful the school would be open that long and worried they would have to start over somewhere else because public community colleges and universities are not likely to accept their credits for transfer. Expensive and a waste of time is *not* what one wants to be connected with, dear people running for-profit colleges!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Looks like the second school is “St. Francis Career College” https://instagram.com/explore/locations/59959718/

      • Kay

        Yes it is maddening, truly. This kind of thing makes me cray cray.

    • TrishRan

      Concord College is not a real school. It’s one of those scams designed to enable scammers to get their hands on student loan money.

      • Chee Chalker

        Exactly…. Visiting ‘muaeums’ like this actually count as nursing rotations (toward graduation from.these unaccredited institutions). No surprise they chose this ‘museum’ as it is free and even less money the ‘college’ has to spend.
        The good (but sad) thing is, none of these graduates get real nursing jobs.

        • Illinoisian

          So . . . one scam organization is using another scam organization to provide *free* fake learning opportunities and thus scam its victims in a more cost efficient way. (Surprised that CoS doesn’t charge them. I would think they’d want a piece of the action . . . or at least to film the group for use in a film to show to the whales.)

  • Dave Reams

    I am honestly quite dissapointed and shocked at the behavior of some people here tonight
    towards me.

    “Where are these detailed narratives about Lisa, replete with information from Scientology dossiers coming from?”

    Really? This innocent curious inquiry caused some people to act as if a full frontal attack was being mounted on the Bunker and our (yes OUR!) shared views on David Miscavige’s cult.

    Even IF IF IF IF IF IF IF I were a Scientologist who entered here to lob a few critical hand grenades at you, you would have done better to meet me with compassion and respect whether you got any from “me” or not. Otherwise, you could have simply ignored me.

    I speak from hard and painful experience! As a younger vocal enturbulator in another Galaxxxy, I made vicious and mean satyrical comments for several years about Marty and Mike and Heber and Kurt and anyone else I could get my proverbial hands on. If by some stroke of bad luck, anyone of them ever saw what I wrote about them, it surely would have strengthened their resolve to bend over and pucker up for Dave one more day.

    As it is, this evening took me back to a sunny afternoon in 1977 when I innocently followed a body router off the street into the glamorous Scientology center. Once inside, this curious teenager tried to engage the staff in genuine conversation to learn what they were all about (I did not have the faintest clue!) Like a bolt of lightning out of the blue I was surrounded by several people and one woman started bull baiting me with stuff like “ARE YOU A HOMOSEXUAL !!!???”.

    Sad, very sad and scary, very scary.

    • Nat-leficent

      What are you bitter about, Bro?

    • TonyOrtega

      Wait, what’s the question?

      • TonyOrtega

        You do realize, Dave, that this occurred 20 years ago, and was followed by years of intense litigation, which resulted in thousands of pages of official documentation being turned over, all of which is available to this day online? A few seconds of Googling will bring you to the material I’m relying on. As for that smear website about me that you so helpfully linked to, you might like to know that it was put up by a billionaire who didn’t like what I wrote about him, and not Scientology. But thanks for helping to spread the lies about me.

        • Edward Bell

          Its not all bad Tony. It looks as if you’ve got a Scientologist (I think) reading your blog. It may not seem like it but that’s a win. If he(?) has enough time to comment it means he’s had enough time to read your blog. Well done. You are fighting the good fight.

    • aegerprimo

      …………

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That’s some crazy drivin’ there, Dave. You’re all over the place. I can’t follow you – even at a safe distance.

    • Like a bolt of lightning out of the blue I was surrounded by several people and one woman started bull baiting me with stuff like “ARE YOU A HOMOSEXUAL !!!???”.

      Bitch, please. That was every day for all of junior high for me. What else you got besides sad, very sad, sad, scary, scary, very, very sad, sad, sad . . . . . . sad?

    • Edward Bell

      Hi Dave, maybe if it helps can you say your piece in dot points next time. I’m sure it would help all of us here. It’s like you’re on Meth and you just typed whatever fluttered across your mind at the time.

      I’m sure you have valid points, but can you type proper english so we can better understand you.

  • Sid (Phil)

    OT: Erika Christensen’s new show Wicked City is cancelled after 3 episodes. Now how is she going to chip in to pay for the all the new Way to Happiness booklets needed to de-stimulate this troubled world?

    • MostEthicalPimp

      But how is she going to pay for OTIXandX! while upping her IASstatus

    • Nat-leficent

      Now she can blame herself and pay for more auditing!

      • MostEthicalPimp

        I hear that DM is piloting a new Celebrity RPF for failing Actors.

        • Rasha

          I hope it’s Ideal….

          • Sherbet

            And for failing actors who drown their failures in substance abuse, there’s a private little narconon mansion in Ojai.

    • scottmercer

      She pulled it in.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        Yep, But if she writes up her crimes of thumb sucking going back the last trillion years. It won’t happen again. Thank GOD LRH invented the Technology! /Sarcasm

  • nottrue
    • Rasha

      No… just… no.

    • Observer

      Okay, so why in Xenu’s eternal-battery-powered prison do survivors of a brutal terrorist attack need to be told not to harm a person of good will?

      IDIOTS.

      • Rasha

        …but…but….. average Parisian citizens, having just suffered through this senseless terrorism, saw these people, dropped whatever they were doing, approached the Scientologists and thought, “Yes! These pamphlets will heal us all and help clear the planet! This is the only way!”, and began helping to hand them out…..

        Yeah. I can see that! That must be the tru– hold on…. oooof… wait, I gotta vomit……

        • MostEthicalPimp

          Hate, to say it but I could see it happening because people are in dazed state of confusion. Kind of the same thing as when Scientology approaches people after the lose of a loved one.

          • Rasha

            Yes. They are vulnerable. Their minds are in a state of confusion and a dissonance that the leeches don’t need to put any effort into, and so immediately go for the proverbial throat. There is no humanity in these people, only what Scientology has replaced it with, which is targeted opportunism.

            I’m gonna go scream in the corner. Back when I’m done.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Far, far too kind, Obs.

      • salin

        Parasites – sucking out life-blood of good intentions for every last possible dollar.

      • romanesco

        They cribbed that one from the Qu’ran.

      • Sid (Phil)

        Exactly.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      So basically if I want to end homelessness it’s as easy as yelling: “Hey, you there on the street Flourish and Prosper!” Wow, it’s so simple why hadn’t I thought of that. /sarcasm

      • April

        No, silly. You have to also give them a Way To Happiness booklet. Duh.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I can’t type what I am thinking. Sure hope no Parisian newspapers get a hold of this. That would be bad.

      • Sherbet

        Heh heh.

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)
      • Rasha

        This. Is. Exactly. What. I. Was. Thinking.

        • Sherbet

          Not me. I was eating. Gahd….

      • The perfect response. This also happens to be one of the handful of the dozen or so movie scenes that made me helpless with laughter.

        • Rasha

          I actually was in tears laughing….

        • Science Doc

          Actually Team America World Police opens with a terror attack on Paris.

      • Tree

        my sentiments exactly.

    • romanesco

      Motherfuckers. ‘Scuse my French.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      If I’m ever laying in a hospital bed after getting one or more limbs blown off in a terrorist attack, I sure hope someone shows up to tell me to “Flourish and Prosper”. That will make everything so much better… Gah!

    • Sid (Phil)

      Those booklets are sold in bundles of 12 for $24.

      For 250,000 booklets they would raise $500,000 (and more if they can, but not tell anyone they went over)

      Cost of printing is likely less than 50 cents each, or $125,000 total.

      Net $375,000 for Hisself the Popishness David Miscavige and his Humble Lifestyle.

      • Narapoid

        I had read $4.25 somewhere. You know, that’s even if they bother to print them…

    • aegerprimo

      I hope that Parisians will see that wearing a yellow T-shirt is a fashion faux pas.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Thank you for finding all these nuggets nottrue. I appreciate that you do this and I hope you don’t mind that I tweet much of what you post.

      • aegerprimo

        I saw your tweet NOLAGirl! BTW I retweeted.

        In its typical predatory fashion, #Scientology uses #ParisAttacks to fund-raise for useless booklets. pic.twitter.com/wFPETlYyTi— Steph (@NOLADuchess) November 17, 2015

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Thanks for the RT Aeger. 🙂

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Thank you – Jonny Jacobsen might be interested. I can’t tweet from where I’m at atm.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I’ll send it to him. ; )

        • PickAnotherID

          Just what Paris needs right now, another bunch of religious fanatics running around.

        • Narapoid

          The last number I heard was $4.25 (Murican) a piece for a 15 cent pamphlet of platitudes. Scientology is working to pump a million bucks on a terrible tragedy That is just what I’d need if I were a Parisienne in mourning; a disgusting attempt to recruit into a faith by a well-meaning dipshit. Drop that insult into the closest trashcan so that it may not pollute the world further.

          A pox on thee Caralyn, ambulance chasing whore!

          This needs the widest possible dispersion into the ether.

        • Amy Forsythe

          “Your donations….will go toward these books, or whatever is left over from my trip to Vegas.”

    • Hmmmmmm I guess Caralyn has taken over for Joanie. Not surprising. I was on the RPF with her daughter, Kali.

      • romanesco

        Who would name their daughter Kali? Isn’t that the Indian goddess of destruction?

        • There were actually TWO Kali’s on the RPF.

          • romanesco

            Eerie.

        • Maybe their daughter was an immortal goddess in a previous life?

        • flyonthewall

          they had a Kali ceremony on the Apollo after all, makes perfect sense actually

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      The state of the CO$ in Paris…
      (Refresh)

      https://instagram.com/p/8OgaN0mdpe/

    • They might collect the money for 250,000 booklets at their inflated price, but they’ll never print that many, let alone hand them out.

    • PickAnotherID

      Have they no shame? Even a Denebian slime devil wouldn’t sink this low.

      • Rasha

        Hey, that’s the lot I parked in!

    • So fucking stupid and inappropriate.

    • Edward Bell

      I think the Scientologists on the ground must love handing out flyers. With all the stats that Captain dave monitors it must be the easiest stat to fake…ahem….cough, cough….I mean attain.

      “What’s that Captain dave? You want me to hand out three million flyers to the French locals by 2pm Thursday! Sure no problem, I’ve already handed out 1 Million. Should be done by Thursday Lunchtime.”

    • mon elle

      You know what soothes, bolstering the hearts and mind of Parisians following a terror attack?

      Using a copy of The Way To Happiness as a coaster for your glass of wine or cognac.

      Unless you’ve shatted your pants and need something to cleanup with.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Mike Rinder blogged this also. Sick.

  • Observer

    OT and hilarious: my sister just posted this on FB. My 14-year-old nephew is the subject. I’m so proud!

    refresh

    • Science Doc

      If that cell phone stopped working or his credit card started getting declined he’d get pretty hungry and come out in a couple of days.

      • Rasha

        True, but still — goin’ down in style….

      • Sherbet

        Doc, how ya doon (as we say in the Boston area)?

        • Science Doc

          I’m better today. Might hit 50% of normal caloric intake. The surgeon who got the Cancer three weeks ago pronounced me gaunt today. Main thing is to not do anything stupid such as bend over to pick something up and wreck the spinal fusion.

          • Sherbet

            I’m so glad the surgery is behind you. Gaunt doesn’t sound good, but you’ll eat when you feel like it.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I had to tie Mr H down when he had first hernia surgery, but he escaped and wound up adding 6 weeks to healing time, hurtin’, and this is nothing compared to what all you are having to heal. The second time around, I didn’t have to get the ropes out once. He acquired a sense of patience. But habits – oh my – do what you gotta do to remind yourself. Post it notes?

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Definitely be careful. And eat!

    • Sherbet

      He’s a riot!

    • Rasha

      Already a Bunkeroo, and doesn’t know it.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Bwahahaha. Thanks Ob’s nephew – we needed that!

    • Ella Raitch

      We have a son like that we call “the bear” – he only comes out of his room when he’s hungry.

    • flyonthewall

      oh hell no, someone would be getting a whoopin’ if they tried that here

      • Observer

        My sister doesn’t spoil him, believe me.

  • Mymy88

    — OFF TOPIC —

    TODAY, in fact about an hour ago, I found a death threat on my door step with a broken up toy figure. I’m pretty sure it’s probably some neighborhood kids because me and some of my neighbors saw some kids acting suspiciously running through the backyards of houses on our street, a couple times we saw this, but if it has anything to do with scientology…

    BRING IT YOU STUPID EFFERS! LOL… Idiots! You are pathetic, really. Don’t you have any dignity at all? Not even one tiny shread? Katie obviously did.

    Hey OSA, or anybody else needing help getting out… the phone number is authentic. People will help you.

    • flyonthewall

      a death threat!? What did it say? Pic of the broken toy plz.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        Fly, what type of mad man defigures an innocent toy!

        • MostEthicalPimp

          #ToysLivesMatter

          • Mymy88

            LOLl

        • flyonthewall

          idk, i suspect hooliganism is afoot here

        • One Human

          I was inspired by this as a youngster:

          http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=3emNv8MzSss

          • Mymy88

            Linky not worky. But thanks anyway. Got another version?

            • One Human

              Damn android, Battle Boy 1 youtube.

          • Mymy88

            Holy crap! What a trip down memory lane. I had forgotten all about that show. And look at how young Richards looks! Thanks! The skit reminded me of Robot Chicken lol.

      • Mymy88

        Well okay, I guess it won’t hurt anything. I’ll post a picture of it now. I’ll go get it.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Please consider reporting this to the police. Do you know which kids in the neighborhood? Don’t assume kids were just playing – not when you’re talking about death threat. Cry for help – hope they get it before real trouble for anyone.

          • Mymy88

            Yeah, yeah. I am considering it. I probably will tomorrow. I’ll drive down to the police station. It’s very close. The kids probably live in the condominiums next to our subdivision or god knows where. That’s where we saw them running to. But this is a highly populated area so they could have come from anywhere. One looked very young, like maybe 7 or 8. The other was taller so who knows. Also my neighbor’s dog ran up to that boundary of the two neighborhoods and barked his little head off for a long time, a little later. Very unusual behavior for him. I think they were sneaking around in the woods and he knew it. There are very thick woods in between, although it’s only a small strip of woods.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              If possible, at least report it now – they can go out and investigate and ask the neighbors who they saw to – check to see if other neighbors’ got something. If they can determine the kids, they can check out their home life and see what’s up. Death threats not snark. Always take it seriously and let the professionals decide what’s what. And stay safe.

            • Mymy88

              Well the note and toy were placed on my porch a couple days ago and we saw the kids on the same day. I saw it on the porch from a distance so I was not sure what it was, when I was walking the dog. But I just thought it was something I had left on the porch because I sit out there frequently, then I forgot to get it and forgot all about it. Today, while walking the dog, I noticed it again and went and got it and I was pretty shocked. I have two neighbors that saw the boys too. I saw the boys both times. One neighbor saw them the first time and the other neighbor saw them the second time. So yes, maybe the police will tell me there were other notes left in the neighborhood.

            • flyonthewall

              Or find who their parents are and tell them

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Death threats are a crime. Always let the police know about these types of things and let them do their job, especially since My doesn’t seem to know the parents, and even if you do, this is no time to do a pro’s job.

            • Mymy88

              Makes sense.

            • Edward Bell

              as per TheHoleDoesNotExist, Report, report, report. Don not let it slide….. ever. Do not wait The police need to be informed. A death threat is no small thing. At worst your life is on the line at best (if there is such a thing) you are being psychologically traumatized. Do not let is slide.

            • Mymy88

              Okay, okay, I’ll see if I can get a ride up there tonight. There is NO WAY I can call them out to the house because I live with my elderly mother who is already PARANOID of everything and this would probably push her over the edge.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              There may be others who have received similar threats, so the police will know if they start seeing a pattern.

        • pluvo

          What THDNE said. Also, they could do it to some other person who doesn’t take it as easy as you. Even if it was a joke of a kid, they need to know where the ‘joke’ ends (also for future ‘jokes’).

          • Mymy88

            Agree.

            • OOkpik

              It could even be a parent who resents you messing with their little darling. Death threats should be taken seriously. We don’t want to hear that you have become a statistic because of your better nature. At the very least, the police should have this on record.

              Take care.

            • Mymy88

              Well… as far as I know, I don’t think there are any kids or anyone that would have a reason to be mad at me. I’ve never complained about anything. We are all pretty close knit long time neighbors in this area and know everybody including the kids. But that’s just in this subdivision. There are a lot of apartments and condominiums and other subdivisions nearby, and I don’t know anybody outside of this subdivison. This ain’t the best part of town either, I can definitely tell you that much.

      • Mymy88

        Now please don’t laugh at Barney. He looks like he’s had a really bad day (2 pictures)

        • flyonthewall

          *snort* those little punks!

          eta – I’m dying to know what the note says but i understand if you don’t want to repeat/post it

          • Mymy88

            You don’t have to twist my arm lol. It’s pretty childish, but I must admit, if I had a kid that did that, I’d make an appointment with a therapist for him STAT. There is definitely a bonified creep factor. Okay, okay, I’ll get a picture. The note has messages on both sides so there will be two pics. I’ll take them now.

        • Sherbet

          Death threat notwithstanding, I think it’s an improvement.

          • Mymy88

            Snort! I love you, you love me. We’re a happy family lol. Geeez. I think that’s how it goes. Takes me back to the days I babysat my little niece lol, and oh did she love Barney lol.

          • Mymy88

            Hi Sherbet. Did the surgery help any with your carpal tunnel? I assume it did since I see you are posting. As you can probably see, my carpal tunnel issues have dramatically improved and I can’t tell you how wonderful it is to be able to type with my actual fingers again. I think it’s been at least six months since I could do that. It was FRUSTRATING.

            Anyway, I still have a few problems from it, but it’s a walk in the park considering what all I’ve been through. Acrylamide based polymonomer poisoning causes polyneuropathy and carpal tunnel is one of the neuropathies that can happen. Unbelievable, I know.

            Do you remember when I first came here about a year ago and you had mentioned the problems with carpal tunnel you were having and I commented I was having issues too but they were not too bad at the time? And do you remember the time I told you about how I had to use baby oil on my laptop touchpad and use a folded in half bandaide as a buffer between my finger and the touchpad? And the baby oil was used because without it, there was too much friction for the bandaide to slide on the touchpad? I think it was you I told that too, but I’m not sure.

            The whole stupid reason I had to do that in the first place is because my stupid laptop had a textured touchpad, the kind with little bumps, and it made my fingers sore, so I needed a buffer.

            Baby oil is basically mineral oil and mineral oil, when applied to certain types of polymers has a corrosive effect, especially if it also as salt in it, but it would take a long time and special circumstances for the degradation to happen and like a perfect storm I used that baby oil for at least a year, every day every time I used the laptop and this was a situation where I had to dip the bandaide in the baby oil approximately every 10 or 15 minutes depending on how intensely I was using the touchpad with what I was doing.

            So consider all of that time, the constant rubbing of the baby oil into the touchpad which just so happened to be coated with an acrylic based resin and also the natural salts from my finger mixed in with it and it sure does explain a lot, now that I know what was going on.

            Once I decided to ditch the baby oil (long boring story on why I did that) and I replaced it by using water, it was on! That’s when the carpel tunnel went off the wall crazy and a few other things.

            Acrylamide is used in oil spill cleanups and water sewage treatment plants and assists with oil well oil extraction, etc.. because of its special and unique highly water soluble qualities.

            So, for example when I started using things like fairly damp portioned sizes of paper towels or cotton or whatever materials that would work when you dampened them (as long as your finger was not too far away from the tips of them when you navigated with it over the touchpad), the water in the damp materials would happily mix with the exposed resin on the touchpad and naturally end up on my finger tips, all of them, since I did switch them frequently because of the parathesia I had developed as another wonderfully dealt polyneuropathy.

            The chemical is absorbed by the skin but it would need to be a lot and for a long time to be able to do what it did to me. I’ve had a lot of techs tell me there is no way enough of the chemical is in the touchpad coatings to do something like that. They were wrong.

            The chemical was getting into my skin when I was using the baby oil but not as super rapidly as it did with the water.

            So yeah, don’t do that lol. DUH. I should have taken the stupid laptop back. I swear I can be so dumb sometimes lol.

            The good news is that hopefully I will have a full recovery as it is typical that people will have that once they stop coming in contact with the chemical but it can take a while and there is no guarantee the recovery will be 100% complete. I’m seeing a neurologist that specializes polyneuropathies. My prognosis is good and I am glad. I’m going to leave it at that and move on lol.

            I am sorry for the novella. I always do that lol. I sincerely hope you are doing much much better and hope that your recovery has been going very well.

        • Edward Bell

          Why the resemblance is uncanny. That looks just like david miscavige when he takes his make up and wig off.

          • Mymy88

            LMAO!!!

        • Sejanus

          Hmmm the Purple T-Rex had an abnormally large and empty brain cavity,
          but its teeth were a thing of Hollywood beauty!

          • Mymy88

            LOLOLOL! Funny!

      • Mymy88

        Okay, front and back. I tried to turn the mirror off but it looks like I actually turned it on… oh welI. I rarely use this app. The first photo says “From Michael Myers”… then it looks like it’s supposed to say “you’re next” but it’s crossed out, and it looks like they drew a picture of a knife. Then you turn it over and it says “your next bich”

        • flyonthewall

          mmm, not cool. They need a good spanking and a scare from the police

        • salin

          If you haven’t, you need to report this to the police.

        • Rasha

          “Bich is Latin for Generosity”

          Seriously, though, these kids need to know this is not cool at all.

    • Chee Chalker

      Katie should remake ‘Not Without My Daughter’

      Stay safe Mymy

  • nottrue
    • MostEthicalPimp

      I love how it ends with “I wish you and your the best… now and always.” In other words everything else I wrote was done under duress and isn’t really true!

    • Edward Bell

      Maybe you can get Kate to remind you once again that she simply can’t remain in comm with you, over a coffee and bagel at that nice coffee shop on the corner. Maybe make it a weekly occurrence just to make sure she drives the message home.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Why is she enturbulated if she is a master of communication? Why doesn’t she just confront and shatter? But seriously, this really sucks. What an evil cult. When I get my disconnection letter from my family member it was much longer – almost a full page. That was a few years back. Maybe they make people shorten them now because of the high volume of such letters.

  • Chee Chalker
  • flyonthewall

    Plz feel free to use this next time a troll busts out the ad hominem attacks (f5)

    • mon elle

      What’s the yardage penalty?

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        15 yards, repeat ethics cycle.

  • Eugene K

    Wow. This pattern of thought and handling is so common in Scientology, I wonder how come there are not more stories like this. Are there any other stories of people going crazy and committing suicide or dying in strange ways that is linked to Scientology? I know a story of one man who jumped off an actual bridge. Are there more with people going psychotic from involvement in these damaging practices?

  • Sunny

    Wait, did I miss the HowdyCon link?

    • Don’t think there is a link, but Miss Tia is the main coordinator.

      • Sunny

        I thought she said there was a website somewhere.
        I know it’s Cleveland, Raddison, June 16 and 17 (I think), with the pipe wrench, in the library. Something like that.

        • Miss Tia

          i am working on the site almost done…for some strange reason i cant access comments in the bunker or anywhere on my pc withdisqus! just started s bit ago….had to be ttheir issue..on my tablet….

          • Rasha

            You’re doing a great job, Tia! Not sure about the disqus issue, but I think we’d all be happy to help with anything. ^_^

            • Miss Tia

              thanks rasha!! if someone could go occupy edward (milton around the corner from me) that’d be great!! 😀

          • K2P2(KnitNut)

            Oh good Miss Tia, I have not missed the launch of HowdyCon site. 🙂 Thought I might have as I have had little time in the Bunker lately, except to read the horrifying updates of 20 years ago. 🙁

            • Miss Tia

              oh no no no, don’t worry, once it’s done—if edward would leave me alone it would HAVE been done, him and his fucking computer issue friday…now the fucking emails from work….GAH!!!!!!!!!!! anyway….don’t worry….TOMORROW!!! i’m turning off my phone too!!! phone off, blocking his email….. 😀

            • K2P2(KnitNut)

              Miss Tia, I say don’t stress too much over it. The site will be ready when it’s ready and we will be patient. 🙂 Anyway, we have like 7 months from today before HowdyCon.
              You rock!

            • Miss Tia

              It’ll be done TOMORROW!!! almost done!! had to change some links to ensure they worked and my code for some images needed to be changed….. 🙂 then i discovered disqus wasn’t working and there went an hour before i thought to try my tablet!

  • Edward Bell

    Mike Rinder just released a blog about the Paris Way to Happiness thingo. My sentiments exactly.

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-best-scientology-fundraising-event-is-a-front-page-headline-disaster-paris-edition/

    • Kay

      That is so offensive on so many levels, truly. Like ANYBODY in Paris needs that nonsense thrown at them. What insensitive idiots these people are.

      • Rasha

        They simply do not see beyond “Number of Pamphlets Handed Out = Stats to be Reported”. This was not a human tragedy to them, it was an opportunity to get Miscavige’s eyes off them, maybe a photo op for Freedumb Mag. They will be told what a great job they did for the saving of Humanity. Hopefully, there will persist a seed of doubt….

        • Kay

          I hope so…

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Oh fuck off, vultures.

      I have nothing more intelligent to say. Mes excuses.

  • Edward Bell

    Sorry about that. Gorillas and Grinches do almost go hand in hand, so I thought hey why not. Gorilla/Grinch Christmas card that will be a laugh. Sometimes I do get extra fur growing in my ears and it does make it hard for me to hear. I’ll make sure to trim in the future. ;-).

    • Miss Tia

      oops! sorry!!! i meant edward milton….usually eddie but when i am irritated at him he is EDWARD…..

      • Edward Bell

        It must be a thing. My wife feels the need to say my FULL name at 110 decibels when she’s p***ed at me too.

  • what’sup

    Ain’t love grand.

    • Miss Tia

      he’s my best friend….at this moment i have no kind feelings……still trying to figure out disqus issue…cleared disqus/tony cookies….cleared dns cache……everything else is fine……

      • Edward Bell

        flash settings maybe? Some ad blockers also play havoc. I’m viewing from PC at the moment and all is okay at my end. Except I can’ make emoji’s work….. Oh the shame. Darned fat gorilla fingers.

        • Miss Tia

          i updated that…i am seeing on their site others are having the same problem . .

          • ReallyMGM

            Messed up for me, too, Tia. I solved by switching to Chrome browser for now, and it fired right up. It just would not work on Safari, my usual browser. Just. Quit. Working. My power will be going out in the next hour (betting on it because of bad weather).

            • Miss Tia

              I only have firefox—which is what i have on my tablet too (where it’s working!!!) I’m sorry your power is gonna go out cuz of bad weather, that is the worst!! Get charged up and make sure you have a flash light app!! Hopefully disqus will figure this out!!

            • Miss Tia

              I tried it on IE, didn’t work…..i d/l-ed chrome (which i have tried before and i personally don’t like and right now it is working on chrome…..disqus better fix this, cuz i don’t like this….i’m really weird and like things a ‘certain’ way :)…..

            • ReallyMGM

              I only use Chrome because I follow Mexican pro soccer and I can translate whole web pages automatically. It is very handy for that. Otherwise, I would never use it.

              Safari is still not working for me.

            • Miss Tia

              yeah, definitely their issue!!! i refuse to sign in to chrome, despite how many times they’re prompting me too here…..the closest thing i have to a gmail is the one i made for howdycon and i consider that not ‘mine’ as whoever hosts it next will have that email so i won’t use that gmail addy for anything except howdycon business…..AT LEAST we can get on?? i’ll just consider it a temporary bonus….. 🙂

        • Miss Tia

          i have adblock disabled on tony’s site…i also turned off my antivirus in case they had put thru an update that added disqus as a false positive…..no difference!! definitely THEIR problem!!

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    Off-topic: Photo caption contest… go! (Keep it nice and non-threatening.)

    https://cruisemiss.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/img_0099.jpg

    • Kay

      “Paging Captain Miscavage, Paging Captain Miscavage…your booster seat is now available on the bridge.”

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        John Travolta is using his OT powers to talk to the ship for dimple advice.

    • Edward Bell

      Freewinds, the ship that can sail further out to sea than Alcatraz island. At lease one prisoner escaped and made it back to shore from there and we just can’t have that happening.

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        Come to the Freewinds, where the parties are hot and the slaves in the boiler room are hotter!

    • flyonthewall

      “nice and non-threatening”, just like I like my gentleman callers

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        They only have enough lifeboats for the Big Beings.

        • flyonthewall

          Life boats are for Double Platinum Meritorious and above, bitches!

          • Zeruel (Sebastian)

            And one is reserved for Jenna Elfman and her horse, so step off!

          • Rasha

            Damn! Hold on! (runs to dumpster)…. I just had one!….

    • aegerprimo

      Blue skies and Sea Org symbol …
      BE AFRAID, VERY AFRAID.

      • Kay

        and…..open water !!

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        I hear it comes with a replica of the throne room from Return of the Jedi.

    • Rasha

      “Technically, it is high tide, but let’s move upwind anyway….”

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        Then one day, Miscavige told his crew to sail into a hurricane so they could reenact the yacht scene from The Wolf of Wall Street.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Technically not enough lifeboats; practically, everyone survives and no movie will be made about it.

    • romanesco

      Check your cloak, dagger, acetone and peroxide in the antifreeze-colored bus. The “Syrian refugees” will watch it for you.

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        o_0

    • Rasha

      “At least angle it so the cellulite isn’t so obvious….”

    • what’sup

      “Hand over your wallets, handbags, watches, jewelry and any other valuables. They don’t call me the ship’s ‘purser’ for nothing”.

    • Kestrel

      “We conclude the tour of our fine city where it began, at the cruise ship port. To your right, the Freewinds, a 47 year-old ship with a capacity of 360 passengers. It is never full despite its owner’s claim that millions aspire to be aboard her.”

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      “Since only us Scientologists have the answer to world peace, the inaugural Freewinds cruise to Syria to deliver thousands of bundles of much needed “The Way to Happiness” booklets to ISIS terrorists will be departing on the 12th (of never).”

  • By the time it’s December 5, this is going to be the greatest tribute to Lisa and a warning to everyone else.

  • Fink Jonas

    If Charlie Sheen was a suppressive scientologist, he would have been black mailed big time by the cult. He is a perfect example that you don’t need the church of scientology to reveal your O/W.

    • romanesco

      Well, that can’t be the first time somebody’s hinted that Travolta may have HIV.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      A CO$ Sheen might have been dead a long time ago, too scared to have sought out the needed medical treatment to keep him alive. JMO

      • Fink Jonas

        But HIV meds are not psych meds, are they against all kinds of meds?

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          They denied that Travolta’s kid had autism, so do they even acknowledge HIV? IDK. Wouldn’t they have prevented him from going to rehab unless it was narconon?

          • ReallyMGM

            I was reading an article this morning regarding Charlie’s list of physical abuse (alleged) toward women. The first reported incident was in 1990 when he accidentally shot Kelly Preston in the arm. They were engaged at the time, but that was the end of that relationship.

          • Sunny

            Up to 2003 when I was in Scn as a Case Supervisor, HIV+ test would make a person an Illegal PC, which means they do not qualify for Scn auditing services at all.

        • One Human

          AIDS (and presumably HIV) is a psychosomatic condition, /s.

    • order66

      I don’t know, Charlie strikes me as too crazy to give even a little bit of a damn.

  • Vaquera

    I have the opposite. On the tablet discus has been wonky, but on the laptop, no problem. Sigh.

    • ReallyMGM

      I’m on a Mac laptop, Safari. Disqus just stopped. No problems with Chrome, though. Disqus is such a mystery.

      • Vaquera

        I’m on a Mac laptop, Safari, no problem.

        • ReallyMGM

          Like I said…Mystery!

    • Miss Tia

      FRUSTRATING!!!

      • Vaquera

        I know! Sorry, babe.

      • We need to get you a laptop.

        • Miss Tia

          Have one!! Have so much hooked in to it, I just call it a PC! 🙂 It’s not very mobile at all…..that’s fine by me!!

  • flyonthewall

    You vill join the cult… You vill give me all your money…You vant to be a good scientologist ahahah

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Iz zit zafe?

      • flyonthewall

        Da, iz very very safe

        • Rasha

          BLINK, DAMMIT!!!!

    • Mymy88

      LOL… Aren’t you the one I got this from.

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)
        • One Human

          Oh, crush! <3

        • Mymy88

          Take me to your dear leader… I want to give him all of my money and all of my family’s money… including my cousins… and my brother’s friends and their dogs and their dogs’ fleas. I will get all of them to give $$$ for the cause.

          Okay, I know it’s not really like that but I bet David Missedgthepotandshithimelf would have it that way if he could get away with it.

      • flyonthewall

        oh yeah, i remember this guy

        • Mymy88

          oops, sorry. I forgot to F5 so no wonder you didn’t know what I was talking about. But aren’t you the one that I got that GIF from?

          • flyonthewall

            yep, i remember

            • Mymy88

              Love it! lol

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    Off-Topic: The Cinema Snob takes on the one celebrity missionary more annoying than Tom Cruise.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVevUS2j3Fo

    • Leigh Andrews

      True. People like me don’t get the satisfaction of seeing Kirk Cameron beaten up, like I did with Tom Cruise in “Interview with the Vampire”.

  • I found Lisa’s O/W write-ups online if anyone wants to look them over, they are at:

    http://www.lisafiles.com/scn/ethics/ow/6027.html

    ***RICK in INDIANAPOLIS***

    • How is life?

    • ReallyMGM

      Thanks Rick. There are several online sites with primary source materials from the Lisa Mc trials regarding the days before her death. I did hit one this week that did stick malware on my computer, so be careful where you click. (I cleaned up my computer afterward, but it was a PIA)

      • Oh okay, right on. I didn’t know it was that readily available, Thx ReallyMGM =D & goodluck with the malware prob. -Rick

  • Some happy Dudes

    • One Human

      Draw another goblet, Dodo!
      F’ing awesome!

    • Rasha

      YAY!!!!! ^_^

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        You know they did a spoof of themselves called Rash?

  • Miss Tia

    Okay, I’m on disqus via chrome (i hate typing on my tablet—i need a real sized keyboard!!)…disqus better fix whatever—-i saw others on their site having the same issue…..not fond of chrome (no offense to those who like it!!!)…..i HAD to share this…..after dealing with edward GAH!!! i got an email from google maps saying they had accepted my edit…..i proposed an edit for my street—well basically the whole neighborhood—last week…..figured they wouldn’t accept it, but it amused me to submit it….it amuses me MORE to have it accepted!! we’re OFFICIALLY the land of misfit toys!!! (that’s not denoted on anyone house, basically robinette ct and luedella, dayton place and columbia….)…..and yes, we ARE a tourist attraction!!! you never know what you’ll see or hear around here! 🙂

    • Rasha

      Love the red brick street!

      • Miss Tia

        Me too!!! Almost a 100 years old and far superior, in my opinion, to asphalt!

    • beauty for ashes

      <3 <3 <3

  • Kay

    I don’t know if someone else has posted this article. It sounds like their “source” from the movie set is a scientology aide to Cruise who is trying to do PR for him. Check out the picture also…although they say he is sporting his “guns” on the set, frankly he looks sorta pudgy to me……

    http://www.people.com/article/tom-cruise-shows-off-top-guns-set-jack-reacher-never-go-back

    • Edward Bell

      Doesn’t matter if they have. Another round of laughter never hurt anyone

      • Kay

        True 🙂

    • Edward Bell

      I know Tom thinks very highly of himself so much so he’s decided to do shirtless scenes in the last few movies he’s done. The last two Mission Impossibles and the Jack Reacher movie (maybe more). There’s just no need Tom. Yes you might have a good body……for a 50+ year old but not shirtless worthy. Keep it on Tom.

      • Kay

        Yes , absolutely, keep it on !

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Pretty much the same story that was in the Daily Mail yesterday about Tom and his arms: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3321077/Tom-Cruise-shows-impressive-arm-muscles-star-Cobie-Smulders-set-Jack-Reacher-sequel.html

      It was ironic that it was right next to an article about Robert Downey Jr. out with his young son. I couldn’t help but contrast and compare the joke that is Tom Cruise to RDJ, whom I adore.

      • ShevilKat

        You know, Tom’s posing with Colbie Smulders in that picture. Colbie’s husband, Taran Killam, played the “David Miscavage” character in the SNL “Neurotology” skit. Now, I’m not saying that Tom Cruise is associating with someone who is PTS to an SP, but his trailer did go up in flames on set.

      • Kay

        Yup, I adore RDJ as well.

        PS…what a concept for a father to actually be with his child !

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          RDJ, Cruise & Sheen are all about the same age. RDJ has been down & out and has fought back to have it all – the career (#1 highest paid actor), the family, respect, sense of humor, etc. And a fine body too (much better than Cruise IMO) LOL.

          • Kay

            ITA !!!!

      • Chee Chalker

        A) He is employing the LRH ‘Suck In Your Gut’ tech B) he is wearing brand new jeans.from the Husky boys sections of Sears. C) much like thr Irish used to keep a picture of the Pope or JFK in their homes, Scibots everywhere have a new pin up pic of their boy Tommy

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          LOL
          For the past year or so he has kinda had a doughy, soft almost female-type figure in some of the candid (non retouched) pap photos.

          • Chee Chalker

            It matches his developing man boobs

  • Does anyone know of a webpage or website that has the court transcripts from Lisa’s death with the Church of Scientology where DM managed to get out of it? [I saw a clip somewhere, forget where now, maybe ‘Truth Rundown’ @SP Times?] I think it was Marty Rathbun, who said all papers in her PCF were purged of anything that had DM mentioned in it] ? I would like to see the official court transcripts if they are available online? Thanks in advance!

    ***RICK in INDIANAPOLIS***

    • salin

      I imagine that this is a fairly rough rabbit hole for one who is questioning, is on the way out, or is newly out. It’s a rough rabbit hole for those of us who were never in. I encourage you, if you are not already, to follow Johny Jacobsen’s by-line coverage of the criminal court case in Brussels. The most recent update, to an outsider’s point of view, is astonishing – and relates to aspects of Lisa McPherson’s story. Peace to you, Rick.

      https://www.byline.com/project/28/article/598

      • Thank you Salin I have been looking into the Brussels case, there are reports that COS might actually be banned there soon…. First these terrorists….. and then these guys who killed people in France…. Thank you for the suggestion tho, and yes its hard but I grow as I go. People like you here at the Bunker help pull that heavy bolder off me every day and I see a little more sunlight each time you do. Thank you sir/ma’am. ML -Rick in Indianapolis

        • salin

          I appreciate your sharing your journey. Btw, it’s ma’am – and as I think I told you before (but it could have gotten lost in the ether – or in the volume of reading between then, I am also a fellow Hoosier. Peace, and good night, Rick.

          • lol sorry again if thats the case, so many commenters on here its hard to keep up, i’ll get better <3 I DO REMEMBER A FELLOW HOOSIER THO! =) Niiice

  • Oh wait a minute, I see now that the prosecutor never actually went through with the charges, ignore my last post/question. Sorry, I’m kinda new to this story. Thank you anyways Bunkerites! ML

    ***RICK in INDIANAPOLIS***

    • Kay

      You can look at a lot of documents about Lisa McPherson on the Operation Clambake website. Just page down on their homepage until you see her name then click on it. There are a lot of links to documents there.

      • Oh okay Kay, I’ve visited that site recently but didn’t notice that, I will view it again. Thank you ma’am! =)

        • Kay

          Its under the “Personal Accounts” section.

          • Oh alright Kay, thanks again! ML

          • Found it! Appreeshed! =P

            • Kay

              TONS of links there for you….court transcripts, autopsy reports, etc.

            • This explains so much to me why this particular Org would not let me move into town & join staff until my ‘medical condition’ & treatment was completely done… They had learned there lesson back in the McPherson case and won’t take any medical chances anymore… Wow, things just keep falling into place….

  • “Inside Edition” story on Lisa… So sad =(

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNmJeRqp6wQ

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Sickening. Outrageous. Sad. No more.

  • Edward Bell

    I better get my OT IX and X on. Some bush fires coming our way.I wonder if I can hand out some Ways to Happiness flyers to the dead Koala’s. Might help them pass to the thetan universe.

    • what’sup

      Hello fellow Sandgroper. Stay safe mate.

    • Kay

      Whoa…..that is scary.

      • what’sup

        4 dead so far Kay…..scary indeed.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Oh that is terrible.

        • Kay

          That’s just awful…..hope UR okay.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh no!

    • Eclipse-girl

      take care.
      that is not good.

    • Allie

      Wow – that looks ominous!

    • Ella Raitch

      Where are you EB? Near Esperance? I heard today that fire has a 70 km front.

      • Edward Bell

        sorry for the delayed response. All safe, We evacuated for a while. I’ve just tried uploading a couple pics but I think they were too big. I’ll try compressing them and upload them in a few minutes

      • Edward Bell

        Finally got the pics compressed. Hopefully it works. The pics are from our yard. Don’t mind the deck building reno’s in the foreground.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cf934811c8be866b17fc650d8d98356d3cfadd9b866c0e0b79338f7c778c0e9f.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cbe9fc4a992047f9dd0c233af633af95fc2483ec55c441747f372238f59a20d2.jpg

        • Ella Raitch

          A lady I work with has family on a farm near Salmon Gums. She’s having a nervous time waiting to hear with no phone reception at the farm.

          • Edward Bell

            Based on news reports 3 back packers and 1 local farmer have died so far. That was on day 1 of the fires. No deaths since then reported. State emergency service instigated an evacuation in high risk areas. Normally people can choose to stay and fight or evacuate. This time it was instigated. No one was allowed to stay and fight. Based on this info, The chances of your friends survival are better than good.

          • Edward Bell

            Sorry I typed out a response to you on my Ipad last night but now that I’m on my PC it looks as if the message didn’t go through as I can’t see it anywhere. Now that I read your post again I think I responded incorrectly anyway. So here is my response…again.

            Hopefully at the very least your friend has a radio. A mandatory evacuation of surrounding farms was imposed by the State Emergency Service people. Normally people in affected areas have the choice to stay and defend their property or flee the area. This time around it was compulsory to evacuate. Possibly because 4 people died on the first day of the fires. 3 were backpackers and 1 was a male farmer. Thankfully no one else has died since.

            Given the mandatory evacuations I’d say your friend is alive and so long as she hasn’t stayed on the farm there is a better than good chance of survival. The last couple days the conditions have been favorable to try and get on top of the fires but the weekend is likely to flare things up again.

            • Ella Raitch

              Have later heard that they have joined with the fire response teams.

              Hope the rain here in Albany yesterday carried overnight.

              Stay safe!

  • Kay

    OK I couldn’t help myself, I had to copy and paste from one of the TC articles. Seriously dude…..you need to lose weight or the next plane you hang off of is never going to make it off of the ground.

    • Mymy88

      Looks like somebody has been eating too many french fried taters lol.

    • beauty for ashes

      gynecomastia~ result of steroid use. also I just like the word ~like mesothelioma. I wish they meant something else. Maybe like hubbard I will write my own dictionary.

    • oknow

      mmm… not looking good.

  • Miss Tia
    • beauty for ashes

      Did it say it was PMSing and wanted everyone else to suffer? Cause that’s what it seems like!

  • Jimmy3

    I need to know the haps. What are the haps?

    • Kay

      Haps as in what’s happenin’ or haps as in Human Anatomy and Physiology, or haps as in the Hapsburg family?

      • Kay

        Oops that is spelled “habsburg” My bad. Carry on…

        • salin

          Lol – My mind did the free association thing, also – Including the misspelled Hapsburgs!

    • Marty posted something.

      • Nat-leficent

        Calling it “something” is giving it too much credit. It’s a bunch of gobbledygook XD

        • beauty for ashes

          “Notice what’s been happening with your grocery bills over the past seven years? Ever wonder why?”
          I wonder if he posted this by accident after doing one of those stream of consciousness writing exercises. **shrugs**

    • Nat-leficent

      You are.

    • Ella Raitch

      I’m waiting for my friend to join me for coffee

  • The Dude

    I love you all. I did a lot of thinking in Brazil. I feel that there is so much going on in this world. Poverty, war, oppression. All things that happen to $cio are a product of their own invention. I feel I am wasting my time.
    I have made many good friends on facebook with many ex$cio. I am happy and content with that. There are so many people here in the Bunker that are wayyy smarter than me. What more can I do. My journey into this rabbit hole is about at it’s end.
    Baby. Please give me your email. I will miss you the most.
    F5

    • Good luck to your band and best wishes to you and your family. You are a good Dude.

    • beauty for ashes

      LOVE YOU DUDE!!! I have a feeling we will cross paths again, so I won’t get too sentimental. Leave a youtube video and I will follow you on there. 🙂

    • Eclipse-girl

      Take care.

      Have fun

      best wishes.

    • Illinoisian

      Will miss you.
      May everything go well for you.

    • TexasBroad

      Best wishes Dude I hope you will pop in every so often.

    • what’sup

      I feel ya bro. I missed you while you were gone. Best wishes for the future mate.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I will miss you Dude, but keep play your music.

      • The Dude

        I will miss you as well. You have always been a kind soul. Look me up on line. Darkhorserock@gmail.com

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I will !

    • Robert Hammond

      The Dude abides (refresh) corrected link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYsw0KVRjCM

    • Robert Hammond

      Appreciate your insights Dude. I totally relate. Sometimes it’s just time to ramble on.. (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3HemKGDavw

      • The Dude

        Yes. That is the idea. I am and have always been a seeker. I already know the truth. I am not afraid. Someday it will come into focus. Thank you for the support.

  • Supper Powers

    Can anyone tell me if this picture at supposedly Gold is legit?

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I don’t know – but it is a pretty weird environment.

      • Supper Powers

        It’s a little bizarre. This SM handle also has a photo of the Gold berthing. I don’t recall seeing the inside of Gold or on the base in SM before this. Do others? What’s the haps?

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Darn it Supper, I’m sorry but I don’t even know what SM is, so I can’t see the other pictures you are referring to. All I know is Twitter and Facebook…

          • Supper Powers

            Sorry! Social Media. I shouldn’t abbreviate like that.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Oh duh! Thanks.

      • The Dude

        this is the best to get to me
        darkhorserockband@gmail.com

    • KingofSweden

      The guy in the lower right has a Co$ logo on his shirt (it’s faint, tone-on-tone). Not that that means this is ‘legit Gold.’ But it does look drab and oppressive.

      • B4you

        It’s a logo on the picture, not him!

    • B4you

      I can see some clues – Ground floor (door open in the back) Wooden Name signs on the some tables (Only $cn would do that) Bridge poster on the wall with recognised E-Meter pictures. Shirts etc…

    • coonellie

      If this is the translations unit I can see why they outsourced for so many years (and still do from the sources I have).
      First, there are some clues about the “quality” – I see only O-N-E book. Sigh…do you know how many dictionaries, glossaries, and other assorted resource books/materials a translator has? Good ones have about 70 at their immediate disposal. (Yes, there’s the internet, but good translators have been around a long time and they actually write stuff down in their treasured dictionaries).
      Second, there are a number of men wearing dictaphone-like headsets. That leads me to believer that they’re either transcribing already translated material or they’re trying to translate on the fly from spoken material. This is a different skill set, but that’s another story.
      Third, it appears that there are very few people with actual paper and pen. Only the guy in the foreground and that’s like he’s checking a spreadsheet. Translators either translate in software that has been tagged (so they see both the source language and the translation as they go) or they have hard copy and they translate from scratch. Many times there are two monitors to facilitate translating from one document to another/reference material, previous translations, etc.

      This workspace/translation unit is just too darned clean without the normal amount of material needed for such work.
      Just my two centavos.

      • Supper Powers

        Wow! Thanks for such a thoughtful explanation.

    • kemist

      What a weird setup. Those useless tables on the side between them, while they’re crowded in with the person in front of them.

      Sitting and typing with such a small monitor so low related to their heads is a guaranteed way of getting a plethora of orthopedic problems, starting with neck pain. They also seem to be sitting low, on bad chairs, which forces their arms into overly flexed position for typing – hello cubital nerve compression and carpal tunnel syndrome.

      It hurts me just looking at them work and knowing they keep that position for hours on end.

      • Supper Powers

        Agreed. It looks like a carelessly made sort of sweat shop. (Not that there’s a thoughtfully made one.)

    • Techie

      Supper Powers, sorry so late to the party on this question, hope you have set up Disqus to get email alerts so you will see this reply.

      The photo is 100% legit except of course it is rare for it to be fully staffed up like this in a normal day’s work. Probably a few staff were added just for the photo. Since the major “translations project” work of producing all of the lectures in 15 languages is now done, this space may now have been re-purposed again. My guess is around 2005 for this shot, possibly as late as 2007.

      I know the room well as it was my workplace before it became a Translations back office. This was called Upper Ron’s Audio Visual (RAV) and was the space where the Drills Simulator, 16 mm projector and many other audio/visual projects were developed. The door on the right in the rear is the bathroom, where my friend ended up coughing up blood from a bleeding ulcer after weeks of almost no sleep trying to complete a PC board design using AutoCAD. Bit of inside baseball for those who know design work, using AutoCAD to do a PC board is like using Photoshop to design a building. Possible but really stupid, there are dedicated tools that do a much better job..

      Upper RAV was a laundry room in the old Gilman Hot Springs golf resort days. It had a huge hole in the floor that led to Lower RAV, the main laundry room. There was quite a bit of laundry to do in the golf resort built in the 30s, they had 100s of hotel rooms and small cabanas etc. with sheets to change every day. One of my first jobs on the RPF when I got there in 1983 was to do the renovations on this room so Jon Horwich (Diana Hubbard’s husband and father of Roanne) could be the Senior RAV amd listen to his expensive stereo in this room. I could tell you tales, no time now got to get to work.

      • Supper Powers

        Thank you for responding. I cannot believe the details in your memories. I’m sorry you (and your friend) went through this. It sounds truly terrible. I’m glad you’re out and free!

  • Good night and day to all. And good morning.

    • Judith Sylvester

      Morning Dodo.

  • The Dude

    This song was written about “The Stand”.

    But I think it resonances well to all. “I am the one with Power. Among the living. Follow me or die!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8D1sEsFFuQ

    • salin

      Thanks. We didn’t cross paths before (I am later to the dance), but your contributions to this community are well noted. Peace to you in your journey.

      Side note: Interesting that ‘The Stand’ has the anti-hero named ‘Flagg’. Doubtful that King would have been familiar with the term ‘Flag’ for Clearwater’s base when he wrote the novel – but still interesting.

    • Robert Hammond

      He believes in you (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cII0sq4LEpg

    • Missionary Kid

      I wish you the best. It’s true that there are many other things to think about and worry about and do something about. I’m glad that you’re following your own path. I have enjoyed your sojourn here and your comments. I can imagine that wherever you go, you will bring light with you, like you have here.

      • The Dude

        I will miss you too. You have been a rock here. A light in darkness. I still tell friends about your Alice Cooper story. You take care of yourself!
        My email is downthread.

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks, I already found it, and I’m writing a quick note.

      • The Dude
  • Narapoid

    Anne Hidalgo, the Mayor of Paris and a knowledgeable $cientologie cult critic (before it was cool) http://tonyortega.org/?s=Anne+Hidalgo&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&submit=Search tweeted a great message to her citizens: via the mirror. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/paris-mayor-touching-message-families-6840899

    “When your heart falters, the great heart of Paris will support you. When your heart is suffering, the heart of Paris will soothe you. I salute those on the front line of a war that dare not speak its name – police, firefighters, soldiers and carers.”

    “It is this Paris that was hit, probably because this example of living together, which is so strong in our city, is unbearable for fanatical people,”

    That Mirror page has a nice story on our heroes in Anonymous taking on the Daesh filth. ‘Night y’all

  • The Dude

    Signing off forever. Hit me up at
    darkhorserockband@gmail.com

    • ObsessedReader

      Forever? 🙁

    • Juicer77

      Sorry to see you go, Dude. Keep in touch.

    • grundoon

      Gonna miss you. Drop in anytime.

  • Curious George

    Come to think of it….what happened to Bennetta ? She still in?

    • Tony Ortega

      Nick Lister claims that she’s out. But if she is, she’s being quiet about it.

      • Curious George

        Out as in declared? Or out like Fox’s Greta ( gone silent and under the radar inactive)?

  • ithilien

    Just a quick question, how can you be ‘technically advanced ‘ in auditing, if it is a technique that has no validity? The one thing auditing does measure, Galvanic skin response, and then not even accurately, is not indicative of anything. So how can someone be technically advanced in the technique? The description of her behavior sounds like drug induced psychosis. If people have had a nervous breakdown, are they expelled from the organization?
    Are ethics officers who do sec checking the regular auditors?