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Next in the Garcia Fraud Lawsuit: Scientology Is Asked to Explain Its Arbitration System

Judge James D. Whittemore

Judge James D. Whittemore

On Friday, federal Judge James D. Whittemore issued an order in Luis and Rocio Garcia’s fraud lawsuit against the Church of Scientology. Whittemore has given Scientology until Thursday to produce a 5-page memo explaining its arbitration system as this case approaches its next hurdle.

On October 3, Whittemore dispensed with Scientology’s attempt to disqualify the Garcia legal team. That failed church motion had put the lawsuit on hold for some six months and was, for the most part, a non-starter. (Here’s our report from the courtroom.) But even before it moved to disqualify Garcia attorneys Ted Babbitt and Ronald Weil, Scientology had filed a motion that would have the effect of dismissing the lawsuit.

In that motion, Scientology asked Whittemore to find that based on agreements the Garcias signed when they were members of the church, they should be using Scientology’s own internal arbitration system to settle any disputes about donations they’ve made. The dispute the Garcias have with them is a religious one, Scientology argues, and there’s no place for a civil law court in such a dispute — the church’s First Amendment religious freedom rights would be violated if such a lawsuit continued.

The Garcias responded by pointing out that they are suing the church over fraud, not religious matters. And besides, they added, Scientology’s arbitration system is a scam. They attached a declaration by former high-ranking church official Marty Rathbun who claimed that Scientology leader David Miscavige wanted the enrollment forms the Garcias and other members signed to be designed to confound anyone who wanted a refund.

For example, Scientology arbitration requires an arbitrating panel made up of three church members in good standing. That makes it impossible for a former member to have his case heard impartially, the Garcias pointed out. (And there’s interesting case law to back them up, as we pointed out in the strange precedent involving Hooter’s Restaurant. An appeals court found that a business couldn’t require arbitration and choose the arbitrators. That’s just inherently unfair to the complaining party.)

On Thursday, the church filed a notice with Judge Whittemore, asking him to look at a recent Florida district appeals court ruling involving religious arbitration, hoping that he’ll consider it support for their argument that the Garcias should give up on their lawsuit and submit to Scientology’s internal justice procedures.

That new ruling, Spivey v. Teen Challenge of Florida did uphold a lower court decision that a woman named Pamela Spivey could be compelled to submit to Christian arbitration because her 19-year-old son, Nicklaus Ellison, had signed an agreement to submit claims to arbitration when he enrolled at Teen Challenge to try and kick a drug habit. Ellison instead relapsed and ultimately died. His mother then filed a wrongful death lawsuit, but was compelled to drop it and submit to Teen Challenge’s arbitration procedures. Spivey argued in her appeal that although she was a Christian herself, she didn’t want to be involved in a process that involved prayer, and she didn’t think she should be held to an agreement her son had signed. Her appeal was struck down.

In many ways, however, Spivey is nothing like the Garcia case. The Garcias have left the Church of Scientology, they claim that they had signed agreements under duress, and they claim the church committed fraud in the way donations were solicited. Also, we checked the rules of the Christian arbitration involved in the Spivey matter, and they are simple, clear, and the choosing of arbitrators is done by both sides.

That Scientology’s arbitration system is not clear was reflected when Whittemore asked the church on Friday to explain itself. The church may have a difficult task: top former church officials tell us Scientology arbitration was designed to confound members from getting refunds. And it will be fascinating to see the church now try to convince Whittemore that its system is fair and easy to grasp.

DOCUMENTS: Judge Whittemore’s order

Scientology notices the judge about the Spivey case.

The Spivey ruling.

 
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The Fort Harrison Hotel is Paradise!

For your Sunday Funnies entertainment, we have this slick new brochure from the Fort Harrison Hotel, the spiritual center of the Scientology universe. Pack your bags, because soon this place is going to become a hive of activity. Super Power opening (perhaps, we hear, only a week from today? That’s the newest rumor), the IAS gala just two weeks after that, and then the New Year’s Eve celebration. Where else would a thetan want to be?

 

Fort Harrison Newsletter

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on October 20, 2013 at 07:00

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  • On spot

    • media_lush

      stolen for todays bollocks post

  • Zana

    The fact that they are spending so much media space on Cooking Classes and Flower Arrangements leaves me to think that everyone there is bored to tears and afraid to talk about the truth. What’ll it be next? Basket weaving and sock puppets? How about Bingo? This flyer from Flag is TRULY weird. It reflects the deterioration that is going on in those spectacular, slave-cleaned buildings.

    • Guest

      I have to admit, I am disappointed that they don’t offer clog dancing classes. ;(

      • Zana

        LOL. ! Write in your idea…. perhaps they’ll add it.

    • AsthmaticDwarf

      And, Z, the RPF prison/slaves *maintain* the buildings; the physical plant of $cientology Inc. in Clearwater is massive and extensive. The number of broken beings staying awake 20 hrs a day, day after week after week…

      • KJP in Portland

        Anything Scientology I look at which would require service employees to take care of…all I can think of is the RPF slaves that are actually doing all that work…sad…

        • L. C. Spencer

          And all those whales and celebrities who breeze through Flag getting the VIP treatment never give it a moment’s thought. Or if they do, “they look happy” — well yeah, they will when they’re standing in front of you and “welcoming” you to your luxury accomodations.

    • Robert Eckert

      They don’t need any classes on sock puppets: that’s one tech they have down cold.

    • Miss Tia

      Don’t forget, MUSICAL CHAIRS!!! πŸ™‚

      They wouldn’t do Bingo, because people expect a pay out for that.

  • Johnny Tank

    Alexa update for today:
    Tony: US rank #8,970 – down 18 from yesterday.
    Scientology: US rank #34,226 – up 1750 from yesterday.

    Tony is still 25,256 places ahead πŸ™‚

    No image today as I am posting from work.

    • Noni Mause

      *LOL*. … OMG – more proof that OSA reads this blog! I can imagine the email that went out ordering OSA and other SO members to spend their day in doing repetitive hits on their sites in order to try to improve their stats! Hell, they might keep it up til 2pm on Thursday.

      • Johnny Tank

        I’m trying to be impartial in my reports, but those are my thoughts exactly.

        How’s that working out for ya, OSA?

    • Johnny Tank

      Home from work – here’s the screenshot *refresh for image*

  • DamOTclese2

    I giggle. We have a competition between Oiliness Table and “Scientology burritos now for the dumbest and most amusing Scientology concept evah.

  • KJP in Portland

    Yesterday, I read about what black faxes were for the first time. I never heard of them.

    • Cat Daddy

      ah the early days

      • BananaSplits8

        Currently reading Carl Sagan’s Contact. Storyline missed being hoplessly outdated if only by ten-fifteen years.

    • L. C. Spencer

      You made me google it — wow, that’s a fiendish little trick that somehow I’d never heard of either, despite years working in IT.

      • KJP in Portland

        I had to Wiki it myself. Never heard of it. I know of an ex-company that deserves a little prank. But I’ll digress πŸ™

  • AsthmaticDwarf

    Ya’ gotta feel for the Clearwater FL folks, who have, since 1976, seen their downtown turned into Children of the Corn and The Walking Dead — as their community and civic life has come to be fairly much dominated by the C o $, the Cult of $cientology. A map, posted by Anonymous.$ marks the spotS.

    • aurora50

      This was posted earlier today; a young couple’s blog report of taking a walking-tour through Scientology-ville, back in 2009: http://www.ryananddebi.com/2009/06/22/scientology-ville-a-k-a-clearwater-fl-tour/

      • Dee Fogger

        I loved his conversation with Beth. If he was to do that same walking tour today I wonder how markedly different his experience with the security guards and tour guide would be?

      • Sunny Sands

        Excellent first person account from a man who holds a Ph.D. in sociology and is a professor of sociology of religion.

      • KJP in Portland

        Aurora, I read the whole thing…fascinating! Anyone else take the time to read it? A different perspective from a fellow wog. Neat insights!

    • KJP in Portland

      One reassuring thought: Clearwater will outlive Scientology. In the future they will look back on the cult that invaded their city and the day that cult died. They’ll get their city back. They’ll look back on it like Oregon looked back at the Rajneeshees. Just an ugly blot on their history, but, the city will survive and go on and on and on, for the next 200 years, but Scientology won’t last another 5 years. Clearwater, you have nothing but a bright future ahead of you!

      • Axton

        It’s been speculated that Clearwater should have been one of the leading international beach destinations because of the juxtaposition of a historic downtown with unparalleled beaches. Maybe it will have a second chance. But hundreds of millions of tourism dollars down the toilet. Thanks, Scientology.

        • KJP in Portland

          Maybe the City will be able to get a chunk of Scientology’s division of assets once they die, to recoup some of the losses.

    • L. C. Spencer

      We’re in Tampa and had a chance to move there once; we passed on it because we didn’t want to be so close to it all. As soon as you drive into The Theta Zone, you can feel the weirdness and unreality wash over you in an ugly way. We felt we would just spend our lives looking over our shoulders and not trusting anyone we met until we had doublechecked their backstory.

  • Tony DePhillips

    The arbitration system is as follows:
    1. You are a declared SP so you need to go through our steps A-E which includes paying off all debts to Scientology and asking for forgiveness for your perceived crimes.
    2.The judges on the arbitration committee will be made up of Scientologists in “good standing” who are not allowed by cult policy to have any communications with an SP. ( suppressive person ) ( a person who they think wants to destroy Scientology because of their past sins and crimes)
    3. If said kangaroo court were to take place then the “good” Scientology boys and girls could not rule favorably on the “SP’s” or then THEY would be guilty of being suppressive to Scientology themselves.
    4. It is a no win situation for the “SP”.. All of the above can be proven using LRH policies that the cult claims to operate off of.

    • Noni Mause

      It will fascinating to see what they include about the freeloader debt. Would that come in here?

      • Miss Tia

        I’m thinking no, because that’s non-negotiable to them. But it would be great if they listed it, since it’s not legally binding.

        • Noni Mause

          Yep, the more info out there, the better it is for us.

      • Observer

        The Garcias were to my knowledge neither staff nor Sea Org, and those are the only people who work in, ahem, *exchange* for their Bridge to Nowhere.

        • Noni Mause

          Good point, Observer. Too bad, I would have loved that phony ‘debt’ to get a little more public air time.

      • AsthmaticDwarf

        No, NM– they were paying their way across The Bridge to Nowhere ™ (c) (R) — the Garcias would be *whales*. They gave *so* much money, for Orange County Ideal Morgue et al. Catch some of their video; ’tis a sad tale.

        • Noni Mause

          Thanks, AD, you’re right, no freeloader debt for the whales, only the little guys. I did view the Garcia vid – he seems very credible and suitably peed off.

      • Tony DePhillips

        Yes, I believe that it would.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      And how about the routing form they have to come into the org to get..but they can’t….because they are SP’s and aren’t allowed IN the org.
      Doh!

      • KJP in Portland

        Got a feeling Judge Whittemore wants that 5-pager for more than just reading their ‘arbitration’ policy. Maybe he can hang them with it!

      • Tony DePhillips

        That and probably many other insanities. Lol.

    • Cat Daddy

      Source: HCOPL 1 September 1965, β€œEthics Protection”:

      β€œIn short a staff member can get away with murder so long as his
      statistic is up and can’t sneeze without a chop if it’s down. … When
      people do start reporting a staff member with a high statistic, what you
      investigate is the person who turned in the report.”

      From ESMB

      http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?33224-Child-abuse-in-the-Sea-Org&p=863506&viewfull=1#post863506

      β€œI was one of those 11 year old children locked up in the chain
      locker, and sexually abused at aged 14. In answer to where my parents
      were… my father wasn’t on the scene, but my mother was left in the UK
      whilst I was sent to the ship. When Ivis Bolger and Monica Quirino found
      out about my being abused, it was me who sent for a sec. check and not
      the person who raped me! Beggars belief, and I thank God every day that I
      am not involved, and that my children never have been and never will be
      !

      —–

      Let’s see where this thread goes…”

      • KJP in Portland

        That is just the tip of the iceberg. I’ve been lamenting / anguishing about all of the child sexual abuse that HAS to have gone on in that evil cult and their Sea Org! I know I’m not wrong about this, but how long will it take before dozens of exes start talking about what happened to them?

        Makes my heart sick.

        • Cat Daddy

          Well it’s in al cults, Catholic Church has been a very big cult in that regard shoving childabuse under the rug years ago. Glad that gets sortened out today.

          II still have a soft spot for that “old church” but it’s my cultural background not so much my faith

        • Taylor

          The average is 8-10 years to decompress for most.

      • Noni Mause

        Thanks for the link — reading only some of the entries make me feel very sad and quite sick. How have those b*strds been getting away with such egregious abuses??!! The Catholics were made to stand up and take responsibility; the cults day is coming. When victims have had a chance to decompress and have enough support around them, I hope some will consider speaking out and/or suing. Theres no more effective spotlight than a critical mass of victims doing that.

        • Mooser

          Yes, and the abuse of children was just one aspect, a reprehensible one surely, but just one aspect of a long-instituted religion that does show other, better faces to the world. Scientology doesn’t even have that going for it.

  • DamOTclese2

    Yep.

    • Noni Mause

      BWAH, HA HA HA…. it’s even a pit bull, which is so incredibly apt!

  • aurora50

    …this is O/T, but fascinating.

    A critical quote first caught my eye: “reads like L Ron Hubbard had drunken sex one night with Ayn Rand and produced this bastard thought-child”.

    It’s the story of a New York jeweler who believes he has found The Answer to Life’s Big Questions.
    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2013/oct/19/david-birnbaum-jeweller-philosopher

    The article is thoughtfully written and invites the reader to ponder such questions as, “What happens to a society when the official cosmology, the official picture of the world, is literally incomprehensible to 99.9% of people?”
    Wertheim wonders. “On some level, isn’t that just a very unhealthy situation for a society to be in?”

  • richelieu jr

    I hear the Fort Harrison has a great new diet designed by Hubbard himself…

    “The Introspection Slimdown: It WIll Make You Want to Scream in the Street!”

    • Guest

      I scream, you scream, we all scream for ice cream.

      Rats! Now I want ice cream.

      • KJP in Portland

        I scream, you scream, we all scream for rice n beans!

        • EnthralledObserver

          And you’ll be lucky to get that!

  • richelieu jr

    Well over 4,400 attendees!

    That’s a little too specific. Like telling someone they’re your favourite student in the third row not too far back…

    I can just see some genius OT saying, “4,403 sounds too small… Wait a second! I’ve GOT it!”

  • Aslansown

    There’s now a THIRD yelp review for Hibiscus (another winner): http://www.yelp.com/biz/hibiscus-clearwater with a picture of LRH and the tomato. “Each tomato served in this fine establishment has had all of their invisible murdered space alien fragments scrubbed off fully.”

    • KJP in Portland

      They’re going to shit when they see the reviews on yelp! roflmao!

      • Aslansown

        This will be another way to see how many OSA are reading here — how quickly those are flagged and taken down! In the meantime, there’s hilarious!

    • Missionary Kid

      I’d be interested to see what the owner replies will be.

      • Aslansown

        I was thinking the same thing! Probably a leetle harsher than the usual ones.

    • SandiCorrena

      Someone more clever than me should post a wait staff review {please don’t at all the rice and beans because after a 15 hour day your scraps are all I get to eat}…

    • Gerard Plourde

      They’re up to four now.

      • Aslansown

        The history of the burrito… Another great review!

    • nottrue

      NO SQUIRREL SOUP NO YOU

      • nottrue

        OH SHIT NOT AGAIN SORRY

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Yo could have posted a pic of L. Ron.
          So basically…u did good.

          • nottrue

            Blame it on the PATRON

            • Axton

              Wait, that’s my line…

            • nottrue

              your new welcome to the fringe

      • Aslansown

        hahaha! (Who’s the woman with the dog? Beautiful picture!)

        • nottrue

          MY SISTER KEEP PUTTING WRONG PICTURE

          • Aslansown

            She’s beautiful!

            • KJP in Portland

              SIGH!…

            • nottrue

              I know I know and she is rich too

          • Moorwalker

            HAHAHAHA

          • Axton

            Tony could have it taken down I’m guessing, if you would prefer

      • aquaclara

        Ok, the dog is a cutie! The photo with the two young adults also has a very interesting building in the background…..I love the detail in the features…..

        • Axton

          I hate that building. It’s like Disney World. But I’m a snob

          • aquaclara

            It is like Disney. Not a bad thing, if you consider some of the alternatives….featureless blocks all around…

            • Missionary Kid

              Clearwater buildings are being turned into an Iron Curtain country replica, one building at a time.

        • nottrue

          sea org. in Netherlands. Kind of sad.Hope they got out

          • aquaclara

            I hope they get out, too. Tks.

      • KJP in Portland

        I love your sister! Bring her to The Bunker! Oh pwease?

    • AsthmaticDwarf

      Fantastic review on Yelp!! *Can’t wait* to go there, A !!

      • Aslansown

        I wish I could take credit for it, but I can’t. We’ve got some extremely talented people here.

    • Straight Diet of Kerbango

      I’ve been lurking for a while now. The analyses of the “History of the Burrito” and now the Yelp reviews are the funniest thing I’ve yet seen. Moar Yelp reviews!

      • Aslansown

        Hi! Welcome. I have been laughing all day today with these postings and especially the Yelp reviews. There are some truly gifted people in the Bunker.

        • Straight Diet of Kerbango

          Thanks! I wish was I creative like that πŸ™‚

          • Aslansown

            I wish I were too!

    • edge

      Love it! Rest assured people, that when you eat at the Hibiscus, The Sandcastle, or any of the Scientology restaurants in Clearwater, you can dine with the knowingness that every ingredient, from the tomatoes to rice and beans have not only been washed but also personally audited by a Class XII auditor to be clear of body thetans. We also know that by using the e-meter to hear their “screams” when sliced, we know for fact that every tomato is dead before using it (Of course, these body thetans can just go to the supermarket and pick up another tomato body). Ron the Horticulturalist wouldn’t have it any other way. We will not give out our secret recipes, but if you finish your basics and re-do your objectives, we may give the formulation of our secret OT sauce at the launch of GAT 2.

  • whenpigsswim

    Lord knows they better keep that guacamole recipe secret. That’s about the only secret they have left!

    • Casabeca

      Was it on the Headley’s hard drive? πŸ˜‰

      • Guest

        Shhhhhhhhh…………..

    • kemist

      If it’s like the rest of their secrets, i.e., tasteless, weird and designed to get the highest profit margin from their customers all at the same time, the “secret recipe” involves that cheap, disgusting imitation avocado in powder in order to create what amounts to a sin against real guacamole.

      • whenpigsswim

        Well, being the Texas girl that I am, I can’t say I’ve ever had guacamole made with imitation avocado powder. That would be a sin!

  • Robert Eckert

    Not all the Craigslist ads that were listed Wed/Thurs/Fri have been flagged enough to be deleted, and there are some new ones this weekend (though a lot fewer than there used to be):

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-29

    • KJP in Portland

      Going there now and getting my flag tech going…

      • KJP in Portland

        Even Harlingen…flagged!

    • Sunny Sands

      They are getting sneaky now in Tampa Bay CL. No mention of sci or dianetics, no phone #, the ads say “e-mail me for more info”.

    • stillgrace2

      Thanks, Robert. I am very happy to announce that (at least for tonight), I couldn’t find a single ad in the SF Bay Area. THANKS to all who helped flag deceptive ads. I’ll be checking again tomorrow. Scilons can be very persistent. I can be that, too!

  • richelieu jr

    A new front after Craig’s List?

    Don’t ask me how I know this, but on The PIrate Bay and other torrent sites, the CCHR (A Scilon front group against psychology) is putting up propoganda vids, claiming they’re not related to CoS (and that even if it is true, it’s just good sense, and Scientology is basically just good sense… Being expensive is its only problem, apparently!)… Those hwo disagree in the comments are ganged up on…

    %% saw it on another page and did nothing, but %% just came from this one where %% tried to talk about Scientology and got jumped on from all sides..

    Check it out, folks!

    http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/5643467/Making.a.Killing.The.Untold.Story.of.Psychotropic.Drugging.%5BDVDR

    • ElderKing

      people go to the pirate bay to download the latest game or movie that they already know they want. who in their right mind will waste their time and bandwidth downloading this propaganda?

      • Semper Phi

        Someone looking to to get their dissemination stats up for the week?

      • richelieu jr

        I’d have thought the same thing,
        but you’d be surprised…
        Conspiracy buffs, is my guess…

        I looked because i smelled a Scilon…

        • L. C. Spencer

          “Conspiracy buffs” — nailed it in one. Anybody who’s susceptible to a headline that contains the magic words “the untold story” or “what THEY don’t want you to know…”

          • richelieu jr

            Yup, “They”

            • L. C. Spencer

              It’s always “Them.” “They” are what’s wrong with this world, I tells ya!

  • Artoo45

    Just received from Target 2, this explains everything . . .

    The Burrito Cravings were given in a run down amusement park food court with a single tunnel, a roller coaster and truly amazing Donkey show, you really should see it sometime. Well anyway, the symbol of a Burrito was always present in the place the Craving was given. Sometimes a large super burrito, with sour cream and avocado and so forth, was seen elsewhere than the park. A mechanical or a half-eaten burrito was always seen in the park.

    This activity was conducted by the Kiwanis Club of Marcab V, a group of operators in shredded meat body societies. They were typical steam table people, close to the earth, talking to hats. They let out concessions for these implant “food stands.” An immaculate, off the shoulder, organza gown and a baseball cap with a propeller was the uniform of the Kiwanis Club of Marcab V. Such a figure often rode on the roller coaster cars. People dressed as Tapirs were also used on the cars. Large German housewives sometimes formed part of the equipment.

    The Kiwanis used fantastic motion as well as blasts of raw electricity and really hot salsa to brainwash the thetans into accepting the Burrito Cravings. The suggestions themselves were a series of simple tasks intended to trick the thetans into limiting their inherent abilities, with the goals including “To Bloat”, “To be Pick out the Avocado”, “To add Salsa”, “To be A Solid Gold Dancer”, “To reject Corn” and so on.

    The Burrito Cravings were implanted by an early race of alien implanters some time between 110,000 trillion trillion years ago or earlier to 390 trillion trillion years ago, or possibly up to and including, eleventy-skillion, skillion, skillion years ago, or suchlike.

    These should not be confused with the Good Housekeeping Inklings devised by the Marcabians and implemented between hundreds of years ago to hundreds of thousands of years ago, the Good Housekeeping Inklings were a series of implants given in a huge, abandoned mink farm. The thetan was put into a lemon yellow and black, 1958 Buick quite like a British railway coach with a health club, oiliness table and excessive use of chrome and fins. He was then subjected to a barrage of eulogies in Esperanto for electronic salmon that died before they could spawn.

    During the implant sequence: Fred MacMurray’s face may come up and say “You still on the telex machine? Get out. Don’t make me stop this car. We have plans for you.” And from the speakers in the dashboard one might hear, “In banana land two things are true, all chairs are green, and no chairs are green. We hate you. Get out. Don’t ever come back.” That, and sometimes the extended Skrillex Wailin’ Wall of Fire remix of Thank You For Listening.

    These Suggestions and Inklings render the Gorilla Goals and the Obscene Dog utterly invalid and cancelled.

    -L. Ron Hubbard, Tech from Target 2: The Channelled Works of L. Ron Hubbard. Vol. 12, Suggestions and Inklings

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      You! Are not right.
      I love this about you.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      That made my head hurt…..in a delightful way.

    • L. C. Spencer

      Horrifyingly realistic. Ugh and bravo!

    • KJP in Portland

      That’s hilarious Artoo! You’re a riot with Vol.12 Suggestions and Inklings! (((ROFLMAO!)))

    • aegerprimo

      Laughed my ass off, and so forth.

  • q-bird

    So there you are in Florida.

    You’re thinking Fresh Fish ~ Florida Crawfsh (lobster) ~ Apalachicola Bay Oysters ~ Pink Gulf Shrimp!

    You can smell the sea!

    And what’s on the menu? Burittos! Right. F*** your menu!

    SOooooooo……… bring out that chef wearin’ his hat an’ all and let me tell you want to make for me.

    Good guest, my favorite, great, a person who doesn’t want what you offer and “requests” you treat them as if they are “special”, thereby taking advantage of your conviviality. Knock ’em out on Yelp people.

    All of it – stupid. stupid. stupid.

    Introducing the Mantis Shrimp, having a clam:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-ahuZEvWH8

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Nobody, in Clearwater….would pass up a good grouper sandwich….unless they were a Yankee.
      No offense yanks!

      • q-bird

        no shit bury!!! Such good eats, so fresh, so tasty, so GOOD, right there!!!

        But no… celebrating burittos! stupid.

        nothing against burritos, srly.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Absolutely. We all know of my reverence for Taco’s..”however”….. This is like local sacrilege….

          Oh, wait!

          • KJP in Portland

            I love a good taco!

        • Sandy

          Eelpout?

          • KJP in Portland

            What’s eelpout?

            • Robert Eckert

              A weird fish.

            • Sandy

              It’s a Minnesota thang

            • Sandy

              In ice fishing and all that.

          • q-bird

            Haha! Now of course I’ve caught and eaten an eelpout or 2 or 3 Sandy – very pretty firm white-meated filet – often called poor-man’s lobster – just boiled & dipped in butter, very sweet & tasty. But! Someone else has to clean that fish. I don’t like touching them (Mr.Q laughs at me). I’ve only caught a few fish uglier and/or slimier than an eelpout, burbet, mesigh, lawyer fish…. goes by a lot of names… yum yum & ewe ewe all at the same time. You eat eelpout Sandy? You go out on the ice @ Mille Lacs for the festival?

            • Sandy

              No, Babe. Any fish that wraps around my arm aint going home
              with me.

      • KJP in Portland

        I like trying fish from all over the place. I like em all. Mudfish and eel excluded…

    • q-bird

      oh and this too –

      http://theoatmeal.com/comics/mantis_shrimp

      those thetan eyes are just dumb gold discs…

      • q-bird

        Did you see all that info about their eyes AZ?

        • Casabeca

          These are super cool! Love your photos and facts πŸ™‚

          • q-bird

            Kind of you Casa! yeah these things are wild ain’t they?
            ~ can’t wait for MonkeyKnickers to check it out – she & Ash will dig it.

            oh! here’s one more vid – funny!!! http://youtu.be/F5FEj9U-CJM

    • KJP in Portland

      So true. Who the hell wants burritos when just blocks from the sea! I’d be thinking shrimp, oysters, fresh fish…not f-ing beans and rice burritos! The Ptomaine Arms must have had an overstock of beans and rice…filthy CoB$ organization!

  • Miss Tia

    Whilst on Yelp, there’s two other CO$ related places that could, um use some reviews……i posted reviews to both of these…..

    http://www.yelp.com/biz/the-fort-harrison-hotel-clearwater

    I came from out of town and though I had reservations at another hotel, at the airport I was practically kidnapped by a van of people claiming my reservation had been switched to this hotel. They seemed friendly,
    but I was tired after a long flight and somewhat confused by the talk the whole drive about how much money I had on my credit cards. They didn’t even have me check in and just took me straight to a room.

    As we were approaching a door to go into a room (I figured I’d spend the night and check out in the morning and go to my original hotel, my flight had been delayed and I was tired) a manager shouted “NOT THAT
    ROOM!!” It was so startling, I asked what was wrong with that room? And he just said it hadn’t been cleaned. I got a really sick feeling and grabbed my bags and left.

    They tried to keep me, claiming they could put me in a room that Tom Cruise had used and mentioned some
    ‘oiliness table’ I could try out, but I ran out of there and got a cab. The cab driver told me about Lisa McPherson and how they murdered her and they were going to put me in that room!!!

    Why do I think they basically grabbed me at the airport? Probably because I was wearing expensive jewelry and wearing expensive clothes. I have since found out, they’ve done this before to people, they call wealthy people ‘whales’. I’m just glad I got out alive. May they pay for what they did to Lisa McPherson.

    http://www.yelp.com/biz/church-of-scientology-flag-service-organization-clearwater

    Google Lisa McPherson and see what they did to her here. There are countless others souls who have been lost to this insidious ‘cult’ that will take over every aspect of your life, your money, your friends, and
    when they cannot use you anymore, you are disposed of, one way or another—via RPF, the Hole or just disappearing as Shelly Miscavige has.

    Imagine if the Bible had a deposit box that you had to pay $100,000 into before you could read about Genesis? Then another $300,000 before you could read about the Crucifixion and the Resurrection. THAT is what the CO$ is like!

    GET OUT and LIVE YOUR LIVES while you still have them! No ‘church’ hires PIs, harasses,
    stalks, berates, torments former members—the CO$ does this, no REAL church does! Why are Sea Org members kept in prison like conditions? They are NOT free to go. Open your eyes, you can still follow LRH’s
    words if you wish when you get out of the CO$—FREELY in the true sense of that word!

    And OSA, this review is by MISS TIA. You will not shut me up!

    • Jo

      I’m speechless, your bad. Did make laugh and great review.

      • AsthmaticDwarf

        She is, Jo – she is bad, oh so bad!!! But ya’ gotta love that gal !!!

        • KJP in Portland

          Ahem…she has ‘cahones’! (((BOWS)))

    • KJP in Portland

      God, I like you Tia! (((thump, thump, thump!)))

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Stay back. She’s mine. I already proposed last night buddy. πŸ˜‰

        • Aslansown

          You did? I wasn’t here last night — I must have missed it! Did she say yes????

          • Miss Tia

            Yes, I said yes! πŸ™‚

            • AsthmaticDwarf

              O M G !!!

            • Miss Tia

              Yes, the event will be held right after Valley becomes Ideal, Super Power opens and the oiliness is unleashed and Jason Beghe is shown a mother fucking clear! So probably in the next couple weeks! πŸ™‚

            • AsthmaticDwarf

              Yes! MissT, as you wish it, so shall it be done !!

            • Casabeca

              I am here to help with baking and flowers.

            • Aslansown

              A Bunker wedding?????????!!!!!!!!!! Yoo hoo!!!! Are we all invited?

            • Miss Tia

              Of course!!! I’m sure it’ll take place here in the bunker! πŸ™‚

            • Aslansown

              Will Tony be live-blogging it???

            • Miss Tia

              LOL!!!!! I would hope he would stick with his track record of thorough investigative reporting!

            • AsthmaticDwarf

              A virtual wedding. A Tony O virtual wedding-rocking-party. A virtual wedding night. Then some months later … a virtual BunkerBaby !

            • KJP in Portland

              And tony can be the minister and baptise the newborn virtual bunker baby!

            • EnthralledObserver

              There is virtual sex going on in the Bunker…??? And I keep missing it??? Damn.

            • KJP in Portland

              Y’all send me an invite, ya hear???

          • AsthmaticDwarf

            omg!!!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I think so…..but she might have been drunk on shortbreads.

            • Aslansown

              hahaha!

        • Miss Tia

          Yes you did! Today I’ve been noshing on the Shortbread Lemon Thins, I think they’re my favorites. I mean, it’s hard to pick ONE definitive favorite, but the sweetness and then the tartness….DELICIOUS!! πŸ™‚

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Well then, lemon will be arriving at my house too!

            • Miss Tia

              If you like lemon you’ll love ’em!!! πŸ™‚

        • AsthmaticDwarf

          Oh man, LWH !! That post has flashed ‘cross me screen a few time already as I peruse, and each freakin’ time I burst out !! Kudos!

        • KJP in Portland

          Flip for it?

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Nice try. Too late. I hear Monkeyknickers needs a sugar daddy though.

      • AsthmaticDwarf

        MissT is beloved !

        • Miss Tia

          Aw thanks AD!! πŸ™‚

          • AsthmaticDwarf

            I know you be rampin’ up for next week’s MissT-Tweets! I *so* look forward to those. ‘night ~

            • Miss Tia

              Sounds like a continuing series! πŸ˜‰ ‘morning!

      • Miss Tia

        Aw thanks! Couldn’t let their other ‘businesses’ go without reviews. Which actually makes me realize, we have their set up in LA that could use to reviews too!! Tee hee!! πŸ™‚

    • KJP in Portland

      They have ‘filtered’ and ‘removed’ comments? Turkeys.

      • Miss Tia

        Wait, my reviews are still there. You mean the ability to comment on reviews? (I’m rather new to Yelp, and I’m sure I’ll get kicked off eventually, though I’ll be back!! πŸ™‚

        • Aslansown

          No — Yelp filters reviews. The first one I wrote that was a really positive one for a restaurant went into the “filtered” section for some reason. This is their explanation: http://officialblog.yelp.com/2009/10/why-yelp-has-a-review-filter.html

          To see any of the filtered reviews, go to the bottom of the page and click where it says the number filtered. It has a captcha thing and then it will show you the filtered reviews.

          • Miss Tia

            FOUND IT!! thank you!!! so strange…..i mean do they just toss a ‘good’ review in there to make it seem like they don’t just filter the bad ones??

        • Aslansown

          Another great review: They tried to keep me, claiming they could put me in a room that Tom Cruise had used and mentioned some ‘oiliness table’ I could try out, but I ran out of there and got a cab.

          Between your reviews and your tweets, I want to buy you some Godiva chocolates for Christmas!

          • AsthmaticDwarf

            An upvote here isn’t enough, A. So — me too, MissT !!!

            • Miss Tia

              Awww…..i’ll review LA in the morning….i didn’t tweet this weekend either….i was in some CO$ rabbit holes…..i enjoy taking a break from those things and having some mirth and merriment and perhaps, PERHAPS, giving a person pause for thought who’s involved with the CO$…..or planting a seed of doubt……

          • Miss Tia

            This is around bedtime for me—well almost getting ready for bed time—so my brain isn’t as creative as it can be as in the morning….i’m holding off writing any more yelp reviews (for their LA places πŸ™‚ til the morning…..and tweets!! i’ve been down a rabbit hole working on something too…..anything with CO$ has side rabbit holes……

            oooo…..godiva……need to go bed thinking of LA based reviews to write….already have an idea! tee hee!!

            • Aslansown

              You are on fire in the morning! By the time I get on here you’ve already posted tons of incredible tweets! Can’t wait to see more of your reviews!

              Sleep well!

            • Miss Tia

              Usually when I first get up and haven’t even finished my first cup of coffee, I can switch to automatic creative pilot for some things. Then usually late morning, early afternoon I’ll have another more lucid period of creativity! πŸ™‚

              ‘night!!!

            • Aslansown

              Goodnight! See you tomorrow.

            • Miss Tia

              Morning! πŸ˜€

            • KJP in Portland

              Have a wonderful Monday tomorrow! You have to get up 3 hrs. earlier than me…neener! But have a splendid Monday!

            • Miss Tia

              YOU get some rest and I hope you feel better—if not, please go to the VA!!! (technically I have no set ‘wake up’ time, but I do like to get up early, I slept late today—9am! EEK!)

          • KJP in Portland

            I’m a pig for Godiva goodies (and I’m a guy!)

            • Aslansown

              Chocoholism knows no gender boundaries.

      • Aslansown

        Yelp filters some reviews using some algorithm I don’t get. http://officialblog.yelp.com/2009/10/why-yelp-has-a-review-filter.html

        These are the filtered reviews:

        Social tone is sometimes friendly, sometimes not. Chronic tone is in the minus range.

        My wife and I were on the most advance course a “Flag”, called OTVII, for 12 and 15 years respectively. It cost us around $750,000 including moneys coerced out of us for donations to their buildings and fighting fund called the IAS. Let me just say, anyone reviewing Flag positively would need to still be under the spiritual delusion and spiritual blackmail that without complete compliance and support to this organisation they would , as the founder said, “be blind, in agony and in the dark for eternity”. Disaster. Just ask Lisa McPhearson.

        I worked here in the late 70s and early 80’s. It was a highpriced brainwashing facility run by overworked zombie slaves which catered to rich, troubled marks. Once I was locked in the basement for days for simply making a joke about staff treatment.

        A glowing, highly polished, red apple from the outside, but the core is rotten. The staff is shabbily treated, overworked and under fed. Most staff have to live on less than $30.00 a week. And, if you can show me a Clear, or OT with the original abilities described by Ron, I might shut up, but I don;t think that is likely to happen.

        5 Star: Hi, I have been a public attendee to the church of Scientology and I have had lots of benefits like: I got a divorce in 1999 and I thought that I was going out of my mind; then a friend told me to go to the church and get some Dianetics councelling and I was so glad that I did.
        I can say it saved my life! The sessions also helped me with the fact that my mom past away, I could have not done it without the help of the church.
        Love, MG.

        • Miss Tia

          Ah, i found, figured it out….how weird that a ‘good’ review was filtered!!

          • Aslansown

            I know — they filter good and bad and I still don’t get it.

            • Miss Tia

              Sort of like that stupid FB ‘algorithm’ that was suppose to dictate what YOU allegedly wanted to see!

            • Aslansown

              Exactly. You’re not the boss of me, Mark Zuckerberg!!! >:-(

            • Miss Tia

              oh i post stuff complaining about FB—their current reinserting things back into the newsfeed when the OP comments instead of giving you a notification—-in my status and tag FB AND Zuckerberg….i’ve told him to ‘zuck off’ quite a few times! πŸ™‚

            • Aslansown

              Zuck off! I love it. Every time he “improves” something I get irritated.

            • KJP in Portland

              It’s not ‘improvement’ it’s big business and advertising dollars. Any dullard can see that. They got too big for theit britches. Zuckerberg ‘sold out’ from his original college concept and sold us all down the river so he can get rich. Zuck him!

            • Miss Tia

              Well I have adblock plus so there’s no ad revenue from me!! πŸ™‚ I got FB to stop putting ‘sponsored stories’ in my newsfeed too by marking them all OFFENSIVE. You do that for a couple days, viola! GONE!! But yeah, ZUCK HIM!!!!

            • Aslansown

              I have AdBlock too but I hadn’t thought about marking the sponsored stories. I’m going to have to do that.

            • Miss Tia

              do it!!! they will disappear!! i think i marked some spam too…..every single one….within 2-3 days, gone……nary has another appeared! πŸ™‚

            • Aslansown

              Cool. I hate those things. I learn so much from you! πŸ˜‰

            • Miss Tia

              Well i’m very happy to have helped!! ads be gone!

            • KJP in Portland

              I mark many offensive. I’d be interested in ‘adblock’?

            • Miss Tia

              yes, you NEED adblock!!! mark every single one offensive too!

            • AsthmaticDwarf

              MissT- never occurred to do that on FB.!! That’s a *great tip.* I *can’t wait* to get rid of the ‘sponsored stories.’ {:->)

            • Miss Tia

              YEAH!!!! Take THAT Zuckerberg!!! πŸ˜€

            • Miss Tia

              me too!!!! like when they put notifications on the RIGHT side, uh why? just basically to mess with people! but i discovered if you switch your FB language to US (pirate) your notifications/messages/friend requests are still on your left side…..i’m sure eventually they’ll change but it’s been MONTHS! πŸ™‚ AHOY!!!!

            • KJP in Portland

              I finally turned off all notifications except family. The increasing advertising and ‘suggestions’ have me ready to pitch them out my window!

            • Miss Tia

              Get Ablock Plus!!! It’s fantastic! No commercials on youtube, southparkstudios.com, fox tv shows, etc….now if you use hulu (i don’t) you can’t block those (which is why i don’t use hulu)…..but everywhere else? ZERO ADS!!! I seriously have no idea how i lived with adblock plus!

            • KJP in Portland

              No hulu here. I WILL look up adblock plus/ Thank you, Tia (((hugs)))

            • Miss Tia

              https://adblockplus.org/en/firefox you can use it in different browsers (i have firefox)…there’s instructions on to use it too! if you have any questions when you d/l it don’t hesitate to ask!!! you will wonder why you haven’t had this for years! it is AWESOME!!! ((HUGS))

            • KJP in Portland

              Excellent! Thank you!

            • AsthmaticDwarf

              Dang, MissT – I’ve somehow not come across that AdBlock Plus. Thank you!!! I *so* would love to block them ads!!

            • Miss Tia

              I really don’t know how I ever lived without it! Now when I see a computer without it, I end up adding it! πŸ™‚ Of course I’ll ask first “do you LIKE all these ads?” the answer is always NO! and viola, gone!! πŸ™‚

            • KJP in Portland

              I hate FB (although everyone could see me there). I want ‘dislikes’ and they never enable that feature…like wanting to use them on the people that keep posting drama, and stupid picture posts and inviting you to a nauseating amount of stupid, idle-mind little games they have. Arrgghh! Party pooper tis I!

            • Aslansown

              That’s what the “I don’t want to see this” arrow next to the post, blocks and unfriending are for (in order of how annoying the post is)!

            • KJP in Portland

              I use it frequently

            • Aslansown

              Me too. I block all game requests and have whittled my friends down a lot. I have pretty stringent settings.

            • KJP in Portland

              I had several hundred friends at one point. Taking a cue from a navy buddy of mine, I looked at his “who the fuck are all these people?” post. I cogitated a day or two, then deleted about 200 people, that somehow, asked me to be their friend. Not wanting to be a grinch (early on) I would always click ‘accept’.

              Nuh uh…no more. I have only true life, school, college, Navy and family on there now. Oh, and one Bunkerite πŸ™‚ Shhhhh!

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Miss Tia – Is it because you had a url embedded in your review that it was removed?

            • Miss Tia

              no, it was still there, apparently ‘filtered’ via their system. I didn’t put a url embedded in my review, i mention google in one though…..still there this morning too! πŸ™‚

    • aegerprimo

      Miss Tia – YOU ARE AWESOME!

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        so true, I love you Mis Tia!!!

        • Miss Tia

          awww, i love the bunker!!!

      • Miss Tia

        aw thanks! What a sweet thing to read first thing in the morning! πŸ™‚

  • DamOTclese2

    Somewhat on topic: God Discussion covering Scientology crimes whistle-blowing coming up in about half an hour.

    • Noni Mause

      Available on podcast?

      • DamOTclese2

        Don’t bother, I listened for 5 minutes and it was unprofessional, it was not about Scientology, it is not what I expected it to be. It’s wasted time.

        • KJP in Portland

          10-4. Thanks.

        • Robert Eckert

          You posted the link a half dozen times. Once would have sufficed.

          • Sandy

            ?.

    • Casabeca

      Since you rec’d I visited. Next time then :).

  • KJP in Portland

    O/T: But Navy Wog Day (Crossing the Line)..What the real Navy does for fun πŸ™‚

    • KJP in Portland

      It’s supposed to be funny. jeeze. Navy humor with real wog (polywog) name usage.

      • Moorwalker

        I’m voting you up, KJP — my dad was full of tales about Crossing the Line on his different ships. One ship in particular, a helicopter carrier, seemed especially depraved, unless all of you had a fellow dressed up as King Neptune who greased his belly and made pollywogs kiss it (I suspect not, ha).

        A lot of people don’t know that that’s why Scientologists call non-Scientologists “wogs.” We have Hubbard’s naval fetish to thank for bringing that term into use for the unitiated.

        • KJP in Portland

          I had to kiss ol’ Neptune’s greasy, obese belly. And it smelled like old garbage…then after all the initiation, I was declared a shellback ( i still have my certificate and card!) It was a Navy tradition but we took it with good humor and so we became trusty shellbacks. Ol’ Davey Misfit would cry the first 5 minutes into the festivities!

          But what offended someone enough to downvote a humorous picture…eek!

          • Moorwalker

            Now we’ve given me horrid imagery of Miscavige and Cruise reenacting Crossing the Line with the oiliness table looming in the background :-/

            • KJP in Portland

              quick! erase that visual!

            • Moorwalker

              I snorted bleach. That ought to work.

            • Mooser

              Wait a minute, I’m doing laundry as we speak, and could use a little pick-me-up….

        • Noni Mause

          I did not know that! Does wog stand for something or is it just a more pejorative term for land lubber?

          • Moorwalker

            It’s short for “pollywog,” which means “tadpole.” That’s the navy term for the fresh enrollees. Once they make their first crossing of the equator onboard a ship (crossing the line), they earn the new title of “trusty shellback,” which rates them as more experienced. Traditions like it go back to ancient Phoenicia, that we know of. The Vikings had a line-crossing ceremony — the Angles and Normans inherited that. There are other line-crossing rituals, too — dad mentioned the Order of the Red Nose and Order of the Blue Nose for crossing the Arctic and Antarctic circles. I think the height of it was crossing the equator at the same time you crossed the International Dateline — that got you the title of “golden shellback,” and dad said that ship commanders would try for that double-crossing when possible.

            • Captain Howdy

              Wog means person of color in the real world, it’s the equilent of n*****

              Ron knew this when he decided to refer to non-homo novis as “wogs’

            • Moorwalker

              He really did use “wog” because of the naval connotation, Cap’n — that’s something he spoke with my uncle (and once my father) about. My father was a US naval officer, and Hubbard spoke with him about that and about other aspects of Navy life when they met up. Hubbard was aware of the British term, of course, and got some extra amusement out of calling the uninitiated “wogs” because of that, but the reason he started using the term was because of his Navy days, not because of the British slang meaning.

              And man, I hate it when I have to “defend” Hubbard’s motivations :-/

            • Tony Ortega

              And here you are again, spreading more disinformation. Last time it was Snow White stuff that completely contradicts the record. Now you claim to have first-hand knowledge of Hubbard’s use of “wog.” Care to back this up with the names of these people who supposedly talked to the Commdore?

              The truth is, “wog” has an obscured beginning which may or may not track back to polliwog, Golliwog, or Worthy Oriental Gentleman. The solution for that will probably never be known. But what’s less important than that is 1) Hubbard began using it while he was in England in the early 1950s, where there was no doubt that it had a negative and racial connotation, and 2) Hubbard meant for it to be a degrading term for non-Scientologists. No, he really does not mean that people who are not Scientologists are sailors who have not yet crossed the Equator. That is clearly not what he meant when he called us never-ins “wogs.”

            • Moorwalker

              I will to you — not publicly. Stay tuned for email.

            • Noni Mause

              Fascinating. Thanks. I always assumed the term was derogatory when used by scilons.

      • Cheryl

        The W word has a whole different meaning over here , it’s a racist term with some debate about where it comes from, some say its short for golliwog, others that it’s an acronym Westernised Oriental Gentleman which was used during the Raj in India. There used to be a saying that ‘all the w..s begin at Calais. Wherever it came from it’s such a horrible word I heard it used a lot in the 70s when I was growing up .

  • Suppressive Tomato

    Calling all Ex Sea Org (off topic): Does anyone know what goes on in the Sea Org building on the northwest corner of Ivar and Hollywood? It’s across Ivar from CSI Hollywood Guaranty Building. Windows are always screen as are entrance doors. Wouldn’t that suck to have a window office but not be able to look out the window? Yeah, you can project your thetan outside for a look around, I guess, but it’s not the same.

    • nottrue

      i think i saw the Angery Gay Pope protesting in front of that place .i could be wrong check u tube on AGP

    • 1subgenius

      You don’t need windows or to project your thetan when you have cameras.

  • KJP in Portland

    I’m heading to bed. I’ll read from the phone now. Have a great night! (((hugs))) and (((hi-5s)))

    • Moorwalker

      Sleep well and feel better, KJP. Hugs right back.

    • Graham

      It’s morning here in the UK. Just gone through all these. There are quite a few! Amazing for a ‘spiritual’ and ‘religious’ organisation that the only things they mention are self-improvement classes. Which totally supports what we know already- that the Hubbard System is about mental health and just dressed up very crudely with the trappings of a religion to escape laws on practising medicine, to get the tax advantages and immunity from any kind of scrutiny.

  • jmh

    Hey night owls… here is a link to the start of the newest CL ads… more tomorrow.

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/index.php?posts/2371978

    • Moorwalker

      Thanks, jmh. I’ve been going at them for a few hours tonight. We’ve been having nice results.

    • Aslansown

      If they say that they’re scientology, there’s not really anything you can do about it, right? (Some do admit to being scientology.)

      • Moorwalker

        Technically we’re only flagging the ones that don’t identify themselves as Scientology or Dianetics Foundation. That having been said, sometimes the Finger of Flagging just goes oops all on its own.

        • Aslansown

          πŸ˜‰

          • Moorwalker

            hehehe

      • Robert Eckert

        If they’re posting multiple times a day, that’s spamming too.

        • Aslansown

          OK thanks.

      • jmh

        Even if they say scientology… if they are posting in the same category more than twice in a 48 hr period..they are violating TOU and can be flagged.

  • TXCowgirl

    SERIOUSLY??!! Myrtle Beach Online area health events lists Narcocon as a reference for addiction counseling. Health event? Death event! Scroll down to Myrtle Beach:

    http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2013/10/20/3784543/upcoming-myrtle-beach-area-health.html

    • Miss Tia

      oh hell no!!! we gotta get on this and put a stop to this!!

  • Captain Howdy
  • Snippy_X

    Justice – Scientology style – from the SP declare sent to RICHARD AND VICKI (HOVERSON) PALMER who just wanted their unspent money back from their account ($27,000).

    Vicki and Richard failed to immediately appear for a duly convened Committee of Evidence held in Los Angeles. They were summoned by phone 24 hours after it commenced. They were not given a written copy of the Bill of Particulars because they might have posted it on the internet to be held up to ridicule. They were not informed of what they were being charged with or what evidence was going to be used against them because this would have given them time to prepare a case. Since they did not appear in their defense it is assumed that they are guilty on all charges.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Scientology justice system sucks so bad – even most scientologists I knew hated it.

      And I mean all of it – Comm Ev’s, enforced conditions, E-Meter checks, Sec Checks KR parties, O/W’s..

      The whole thing is a prejudiced, preconditioned, pathetic, psychopolitical Kangaroo court.

      Ughh

      • EnthralledObserver

        It’ll be interesting to see what rot they try to spin the judge in order to convince him it’s a legit and capable and fair system… I’m hoping it is impossible, what with all I’ve read about the scam.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Watch them use the words “ethics” and “morals” incessantly.

  • EnthralledObserver

    I haven’t seen monkeyknickers here in the Bunker for a few days… is she off having twins or something?

    • DodoTheLaser

      The time is about right, I gather.
      Some Bunkerites are in touch with her.

      • EnthralledObserver

        That’s good… I hope she’s doing well, with such a huge undertaking on her own. I whinge about five kids, but I did them one at a time, and as much as hubbys often wriggle their way out of dirty nappies and night time shenanigans, at least I had one.

    • aquaclara

      She’s good! I heard from her yesterday!

      • EnthralledObserver

        Ok… thanks. I simply can’t go through all the comments looking for her. Glad others are keeping their ear to the ground and can let us know when we begin to worry about absentee members.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Scientology – the 1986 wants you back!

  • Graham

    Wherever religious nutters gather to complain that their “human rights” (ie religious priviliges) are being abused, there you’ll find the $camatologists helping to stoke the flames: http://brianpellot.religionnews.com/2013/10/17/european-faith-leaders-debate-secularism-new-terrorism/

    Kudos to the right wing UKIP party. This lot are too reactionary even for them, so UKIP rightly got them banned from holding their meeting on EU premises.

    • Captain Howdy

      Yes indeed the UKIP, BNP, TEA PARTY are much less threatening to the world than some space cult that doesn’t have enough members to fill a sports arena let alone a stadium.

      The Tea Party in the U.S was more than happy to drive the U.S into an economic apocalypse according to conservative analysts.

      • Espiando

        It all depends on the money they have behind them as well as the woo-woo level of their beliefs, doesn’t it? The BNP is no threat, because people see them for what they are, and they have no real money behind them. UKIP occupies the same section of the political spectrum as the moderate wing of the Republican Party here (the Tories are almost parallel to conservative Democrats), so the woo-woo is cut down heavily (and you have to admit that Nigel Farage has some of the nerd-cool thing going for him).

        The Teabaggers and Scientologists are threats. They’re big-time woo-woo combined with big-time money backing them. That’s why it’s important to take them down in any way possible, using any ally possible. Whenever someone here bitches and moans about Marty or Mike being war criminals or whatever, I remind myself of what that old anti-communist Churchill said about teaming up with Stalin.

        • Captain Howdy

          To me the Tea Party is an genuine world wide threat, Nazi Party circa 1930’s, where as scientology is basically an evil geek show that needs to be put out of business for moral reasons.

          • DodoTheLaser

            I can relate to all of the above, I think,

            but since when You Captain and Espiando are here during the 3rd shift?

            Cool.

            • Espiando

              I’ve actually been at work for 2 1/2 hours or so. Had to get in early today to get some stuff done. Now I’m just waiting for everyone else to get in so I can do the morning paperwork, and I’m waiting for 6AM Civilization Time for Tony’s new post. Time for more coffee, I guess.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Makes sense.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’ve been up all nite getting wasted to listening to the best of Mott The Hoople among other tings.

          • Espiando

            If DM would turn it into a real geek show and start biting the heads off chickens, he’d be more believable. If he’d bite the head off of a teabagger, I might sign up for some auditing.

        • Mooser

          “Whenever someone here bitches and moans about Marty or Mike being war criminals…”

          Wouldn’t surprise me if Rinder claimed to still have Scientologists belief, just to needle Mascavige. He’s more of a threat if he’s got the “tech”!

  • EnthralledObserver

    Question: Is the cult paying for Makemerich’s personal legal representation? And is that illegal? Is that personal inurement? Is it possible to find out who is paying, and how would you do such a thing?

    • DodoTheLaser

      I don’t know if it’s illegal or otherwise. I know that IRS has special investigative agents – badges and all. They should definitely look into it. These are valid questions.

      The impression I get – there are four main players:

      – The Leader

      – The Accountant/Tax Lawyer

      – The Attorneys

      – The Bankers

      Perhaps IRS should question IAS.

      • EnthralledObserver

        If it occurs to me, you’d imagine it would occur to someone whose job it is to ensure bastards like Makemerich don’t take advantage. I just wish those ‘someone’s’ would DO their jobs already!!!!!!!

        • DodoTheLaser

          That’s why we are all here and elsewhere on the “fringes of the internet”.
          And IRL. Watch for early Christmas.

          • EnthralledObserver

            *nods* Luckily for us we can come here to vent and share… my kids and hubby really don’t give a crap. *sigh*

            • DodoTheLaser

              They will thank you later.

    • Miss Tia

      That’s a good question. Probably, if it’s due to his position, it would be allowable for the ‘church’ to cover his attorney. I’d love to find out who’s paying though!!

      • EnthralledObserver

        I’ll take a leap and say that harassment of Monique isn’t the normal operations of the RTC, and therefore RTC, led by Makemerich, are taking advantage of the funds available to them to undertake stated harassment, therefore any defence of such criminal harassment should fall on Makemerich’s personal shoulders, and he should not be allowed to take advantage of the funds of the CO$.
        I’ll state again, I’m leaping here, because they’re still arguing whether Makemerich has to answer to the court at all yet. I just like to know the big picture, that’s all.

        • Miss Tia

          I totally concur with what you are saying….BUT in their illogical logic, their ‘harassment’ is part of the normal operations.

          • Graham

            “in their illogical logic, their ‘harassment’ is part of the normal operations.” Possibly even a ‘sacred’ duty!

            • Mooser

              It didn’t work for Thuggee, and it won’t work for them.

        • AsthmaticDwarf

          If you take this back to 1970s, EO, Mrs Hubbard’s directing hundreds of operatives (ne, thousands) in Operation SnowWhite – and the list of abnomral operations is endless for her and Hubbard – $cientology Inc. paid legal, tho’ infiltrating FBI and IRS offices et al. wasn’t *normal operations.*

          The cult will pay for Dave Miscavige’s legal to the end of his days, as long as he is $cientology head. He is supreme ruler, supreme controller of all monies.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Good point. Not right, but the way it is, I suppose.

            • AsthmaticDwarf

              {:- (

          • DodoTheLaser

            Who’s painting your current avy is? I like it.

      • AsthmaticDwarf

        $cientology Inc. is paying. Bill Franks, E.D. of the cult in the 1970s, stated that they were paying $20 million per year for lawyers just in the USA. Forty years ago. So, Dave is paying – what with France and Aussieland and Belgium and USA and wherever else at least $40 million per year (what with 40 years of inflation; and that’s a big underestimate.)

        • EnthralledObserver

          Wow… that’s a big number. It could be up to 10 times that amount, ya think?

        • John P.

          A couple of thoughts here. First, in most businesses, if the CEO is named in a lawsuit that is about a business matter, the company will pay for his legal representation. That’s not inurement in the case of the cult and it’s not taxable income to the person named in a regular company. It’s presumed until proven otherwise that the CEO’s actions are in furtherance of the business. If a CEO were to be sued for putting his personal interests above the interest of the business (i.e., being sued by the company for looting corporate funds), he would be responsible for paying his own legal fees. It is entirely normal for the cult to be paying legal fees relative to Miscavige personally in the Monique Rathbun case.

          Second, while there’s little doubt that the cult is trigger-happy on legal matters, I strongly doubt that Bill Franks was being accurate when he made the statement about the cult paying $20 million annually in legal fees in the early 1970s. Inflation in the last 40 years has been about 4.5x on consumer prices. If we apply this number to legal fees, that would be equivalent to about $90 million per year in legal fees. I have estimated that the cult is doing about $200 million per year in top line revenue and I think operating profits are about $60 million of that. I believe the cult in the early 1970s was making about $100 to $125 million per year in revenue, and $20 million of that to legal would have been unsustainably high.

          I think the reasonable conclusion is that this statement was an exaggeration, just like the cult exaggerates so many numbers. In other words, he’s lying. This is not a surprise, since Scientologists lie even when the truth would serve them better.

          • Robert Eckert

            Possibly Franks was lying in the context of fund-raising for the legal defense funds to protect against all the enemies who plot non-spot against {holy mother church}.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I don’t think so. I think that figure would include payoffs. And I though his quotes were from the 1980’s. He would have more direct access to those kinds of numbers in the 80’s.

          • AsthmaticDwarf

            Ok- I can get that, Franks lying. But Hubbard was paying *some* millions per year, all over the world; there was so much litigation from 1960 – ’85. 25 years of that is a lotta dough JP. And wouldn’t you guestimate the legal bill the past few years, globally, coming in at $20 million per year, including PIs and all expenses?

            • John P.

              It is indeed possible that Miscavige is paying $20 million per year in legal fees, settlements, and PI’s. I’d estimate PI’s as the smallest expense of those three categories however. That’s pretty appalling: to be spending perhaps 10% of sales, and 1/3 of your profits on legal-related matters, especially when you’re losing badly whenever you get dragged into court.

              Sure, the cult spent a lot in litigation back before Miscavige took over. I just don’t think it was as much as Bill Franks was saying. He’s got an incentive to brag to members about the legal costs, because of their desire to have the image of doing whatever it took to ensure they could clear the planet. “We’re not a turn the other cheek kind of religion” as someone (Tommy Davis ???) said. But that was back in the day when the cult was expanding.

              Suing people when you’re a) shrinking and b) not winning in court seems like a pretty dumb idea.

            • AsthmaticDwarf

              It just rocks reality — do you think the whales and celebs know that he has spent maybe $100 million in the past 5 years simply on *legal* ? Would they care? or would it just be part of the business of KSW, on the planet … It’s hard to really *get it* if one is Never-in.

    • 1subgenius

      The issue is a non-starter. The suit is arguably dealing with matters within his duties, especially since they now claim them to be religious activities.
      That’s all I feel like saying on the subject..

      • EnthralledObserver

        I can see that at a quick glance that might seem the case… I guess it’s the finer details of what RTC is supposed to be doing that will highlight just whether Makemerich is going outside his duties in his conduct.
        i.e. If a CEO murders a competitor CEO who happens to now work for the competing company and somehow threatens the first company’s product, surely he isn’t allowed to take his company’s funds to defend himself. It’s a crude example, but you should be able to see my point in the comparisons to Makemerich’s behaviour – it was for his benefit, not for the good of $cientology (though I do understand that’s what he’s claiming).

  • DodoTheLaser

    Tony?

    • Espiando

      As the sign says, “Keep calm and masturbate.”

      • DodoTheLaser

        I don’t follow the signs anymore.

        • 1subgenius

          Yeah, who wants to be calm when they masturbate?

          • DodoTheLaser

            ROFL!

    • 1subgenius

      You better not come around my place on a Monday morning.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Copy that. πŸ™‚

    • SciWatcher

      For some reason that made me LOL. It just “sounds” so forlorn!

  • Miss Tia

    was waiting for a new post, but Tony is hopefully getting some well deserved rest!!! Morning y’all!!!! πŸ™‚

    i used some quotes by some peoples today to tweet them….no yelp reviews yet, saw quite a few places in the LA area to do reviews for and some of them already have quite a few negative reviews (but that doesn’t mean i can’t add another! πŸ˜‰

    “I have been able to see situations for what they are.” is what U said @scientology let U do @dannymasterson what utter BULLOCKS! Let’s C…

    child abuse, child labor, human trafficking, slave labor, false imprisonment, disappearing people, assault, etc @dannymasterson U C that?!

    WAKE UP & see the REALITIES of what @scientology does to people, how it destroys LIVES & stop promoting it! @dannymasterson! #SHAME

    U said about @scientology that it helps U “…in creating life as a new game.” @GiovanniRibisi as in musical chairs? A fav of COB!

    R U aware of the massive human rights violations @scientology commits @GiovanniRibisi ? Regular people R treated like ATMs & slaves!

    UR quoted as saying @scientology has a 90% success rate of getting people off drugs @beck o rly? When they kill them, is that a success?

    U also say U can’t say something about it unless U know it firsthand–WHERE’S the 90% proof @beck? There IS NONE! #Loser #SHAME

    what if U had to report on a psychiatrist @gretawire ? U couldn’t be objective cld U? Since UR church thinks they caused the holocaust!

    Do U think @scientology works @LauraPrepon 4 those that R enslaved by them? that the CO$ has made ‘disappear’ like Shelly Miscavige?

    Can U justify blatant human rights abuse by your ‘church’ @lauraprepon? Or does that not bother U since UR treated differently? #SHAME

    Next day for open auditions for @TomCruise’s wife is when @ScientologyLA ? What kind of OT8 needs wife finding help? #Boooo

    shouldn’t drugs be okay @drugfreeworld? I mean @LRonHubbard WAS taking a psych med, so that makes them okay, RIGHT? #hypocrites

    too bad @scientologynews doesn’t give the REAL news about the CO$! all the lawsuits, COB hiding out somewhere, the desperate ploys 4 cash!

    Where’s Diane Hubbard, Shelly Miscavige, Heber Jentzsch & COB’s sister @scientology? Locked up together somewhere? #FalseImprisonment

    how many more human rights violations must there be before the @TheJusticeDept @DHSgov @FBILosAngeles DOES SOMETHING? #GrowAPair

    Good morning Sea Org @scientology! Freeloader debt is NOT legally enforceable! UR family still loves U! 1-866-XSEA-ORG #Escape

    Any DOUBTS U have is a not a crime it’s intuition, Sea Org @scientology COB is a tyrant who doesn’t even USE the tech himself!

    Why does @scientology get away with violating @USDOL laws? 100+ hrs 4 $50/wk, no benefits, OT, SERIOUSLY? NOT LEGAL! DO SOMETHING!

    UR alleged drug rehab that’s just a front for @scientology @narconon WILL be shut down nationwide! The practices there are unethical!

    Massive insurance fraud, needless deaths, untrained staff, unlicensed workers, brainwashing people, etc @narconon U WILL CLOSE NATIONWIDE!

    • Sunny Sands

      You are awesome!

      • Miss Tia

        Aw thanks! Everyone in the bunker is awesome!!

    • Just Dee

      Tia, I enjoy your tweets that you post here but was always curious, does Kirstie block you? The reason I ask is because she blocks me and I don’t tweet! lol

      • Miss Tia

        I have YET to be blocked by her!!! Even after I called her the grumpy cat of twitter!! No matter what I’ve tossed at her, no block! I feel like a failure!

        • EnthralledObserver

          I consider that a win – at least she, or someone she’s paying, is seeing it.

          • Miss Tia

            that’s true…someone is seeing it…..and apparently wants to continue seeing it…. πŸ˜€

        • Just Dee

          The only reason I can come up with her blocking me is because I follow Leah. I went to follow Kirstie a few weeks ago (waiting for her to lose it again) and it said she blocked me. It was really confusing because like I said, I don’t tweet! Following Leah was the only explanation I could come up with.

          • Miss Tia

            I follow Leah too! I tweet directly AT Kirstie, well you’ve seen some of the stuff I’ve sent her….no block yet!! I don’t get it!

  • DodoTheLaser

    That would be so funny if Tony won’t post anything in AM!

    RTC and OSA would go in a full blown WTF mode…

    Oh the lulz!

  • EnthralledObserver

    No… no more breaks for Tony! It’s just getting good around here… and we already let him have a sleep in last week sometime!

    • EnthralledObserver

      Besides, it’s his own fault – he pulled it in himself – setting up a blog on the fringes of the internet and all – no one held an R2-45 to his head. And then he went and installed a ‘donate’ button… so NOW he works for all of us! Chop, chop, Tones…
      P.S. If you haven’t lately… or even if you have… DONATE to Tony’s slave fund. πŸ˜‰

    • Tony Ortega

      Still writing. Monday morning post will be up soon, we hope.

      • EnthralledObserver

        πŸ™‚ That’s my man… men… whatever. I love your use of the royal ‘we’.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Take your time, TonyO.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Dodo… I love you and all… but do you know what I do to my hubby when he says things like that (No, rush… when you are ready, etc) to tradesmen when they come to do a job. I stamp on his foot!

          • Espiando

            Maybe your husband has a point. You don’t want to upset tradies. They’re barely toilet-trained as is.

            • EnthralledObserver

              My hubby isn’t toilet trained… so that’s not my problem… my problem is him telling them to take their time… because then they fricken do!

          • DodoTheLaser

            Message is received! πŸ™‚ Heard of steel toes? Ducking…

            • EnthralledObserver

              Oh yes… he has all manner of ways of avoiding my ire at the time too… but I always tell him he has to sleep sometime. I guess this is where you have the advantage.

            • DodoTheLaser

              End of argument. πŸ™‚ Note to myself – never question mother of my children.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Good advice. πŸ™‚

        • 1subgenius

          “Tony?” (Dodo 30 minutes ago)

          • EnthralledObserver

            He’d be looking over Tony’s shoulder right now if he could… the imp.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Stop mimicking me!

            • 1subgenius

              I’m mocking, not mimicking.
              I mock because I love.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Music break:

    Tommy Lee – Hold Me Down

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A48VUvB6kWE

    • EnthralledObserver

      Tommy Lee has Flippity Flappity lips… LRon lips… urrgghhh.

      • DodoTheLaser

        No.

        • EnthralledObserver

          *nods* Yip… afraid so.
          But, don’t worry, it doesn’t make him evil automatically.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Oh, ok. lol

            • DodoTheLaser

              Check the lyrics.

            • EnthralledObserver

              I couldn’t concentrate with those lips before, so I googled the lyrics. I like the song.

  • SciWatcher

    Okay, now I’m going to stop nervously hitting the refresh button and get back to work. That will make it go faster anyway!

  • jmh

    While we’re waiting… I want to clear up some misconceptions regarding Craigslist postings by Co$ and when/how we can flag them according to Craigslist’s rules in their Terms of use.

    Flagging

    – Realize that each flag must come from a different IP address to be effective.

    – Flag as SPAM if the Co$ ad does not say who they are.

    – Flag as SPAM or PROHIBITED if there are more than 2 ads posted in a
    day in a single category. This is a violation of Craigslist Terms of Use, so either flag will
    do.

    – The longer the ad has been up, the more flags it takes to get it
    taken down. Flag thresholds on ads also vary by region and by the
    category they are posted in.

  • Vinay Agarwala

    I tried to post the following on Facebook:

    http://vinaire.me/2013/10/21/scientology-the-religion-of-individualism/

    I got this.

    • NOLAGirl

      I don’t think it’s you Vinay…Just read on Twitter (I don’t use Facebook) that FB is having problems right now. May want to give it a try later.

      • Vinay Agarwala

        Thanks. I thought NSA got to me!

        Damn, I am getting to be paranoid.

        • aegerprimo

          You mean OSA.

          • Vinay Agarwala

            OSA could just be a part of NSA.

            • L. C. Spencer

              OR VICE VERSA. …or did I just blow your mind? πŸ˜‰

            • Vinay Agarwala

              Yes, you just did!

    • Just Dee

      I still can’t like photos on my page so it’s not just you πŸ™‚

    • Miss Tia

      yeah, I can’t like anything on FB right now….

      • NOLAGirl

        Morning Miss Tia, need you to check your twitter mail box to confirm something for me. ; )

        • Miss Tia

          done! I was cross referencing stuff and ignored my mail pop ups for a bit! πŸ™‚

  • chukicita

    I just noticed that the judge gave Thursday as his deadline for the 5-page explanation of Scn, Inc’s arbitration system. I bet it’s there before 2 PM.

    • L. C. Spencer

      Hahahahahaha nice catch.

  • Graham

    Whilst we are waiting, another TomKat reminder:

    96backers

    $9,401pledged of $15,000 goal

    51hours to go

    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1943035967/the-tomkat-project-la-debut

  • Bunkerholic: C’,mon, c’mon, c’mon . . . what the fuck . . . I’m strung out like barbed wire!!!

    Vistaril’s Inner Voice: Settle, petal. Won’t be long.

    Bunkerholic: Two hours . . . dude, I’m dying here.

    Vistaril’s Inner Voice: Well, have you read all the comments?

    Bunkerholic: Yes, twice.

    Vistaril’s Inner Voice: Interesting stuff . . . that link to afaceinthecrowd’s EPIC ESMB thread . . .

    Bunkerholic: Yeah, yeah, yeah . . . read it at the time and since and again just recently lookin for DOX to throw about in that Facebook shitfight with whatshisname

    Vistaril’s Inner Voice: Weren’t those Yelp reviews hillarious?

    Bunkerholic: Heh! CLASSIC!! Hey, wait a minute, stop trying to distract me . . . I gotta get me some Tortega. Now.

    Vistaril’s Inner Voice: Deep breaths, dude, deep breaths . . .

    Bunkerholic: Fuck you. And fuck everyone one that looks like you. Get me some Tortega. You know I’m loco!!

    Vistaril’s Inner Voice: It’ll be here soon. Don’t you want it pure, you know, as the “cook” wants it himself?

    . . . etc etc etc

    : )

    • jmh

      Vistaril… go flag down some scilon ads I posted below… it’ll make the waiting go faster. πŸ˜‰

      • Done. I got a lot of “Page Not Founds” on the second and third links so I’m gussing the flagging is having the desired results. Also, do you know whatever happened to that nifty gadget WWP had for automating the process? I still have a copy of it from waaaaay back but it doesn’t seem to work anymore.

        • jmh

          Flagging with automation violates TOU, and since we are trying to keep things ‘legal’ we aren’t going that route. I wish it was easier too.

  • 1subgenius

    Remain calm, this is only a test

    [soundcloud url=”https://api.soundcloud.com/playlists/10559089″ width=”100%” height=”450″ iframe=”true” /]

  • Tony Ortega

    NEW POST UP

  • Tony DePhillips

    For anyone interested in what steps an “SP” would need to go through in order to be in communication with a Scientologist in “good standing”.
    From the Scientology Ethics book.:
    ” A suppressive person or group is one that actively seeks to suppress or damage Scientology or a Scientologist by Suppressive acts.”
    Some of these acts are: ( there are many!!)
    – “Organizing splinter groups to diverge from Scientology practices, still calling it Scientology or calling is something else.”
    – “Public disavowal of Scientology or Scientologists in good standing with Scientology organizations.”
    -“Public statements against Scientology or Scientologists but not to Committees of Evidence duly convened. ” (Committees of Evidence are Scientology’s courts where they seek to bring about internal justice except it is all predicated on what is the “greatest good for the greatest number” and Scientology winning is ALWAYS the “greatest good for the greatest number’ so this justifies hiding any of their crimes)
    -‘ Demanding the return of any or all donations made for standard training or processing actually received or received in part and still available but undelivered only because of departure of the person demanding (the donations must be refunded but this policy applies).” (They actually don’t return the money anymore in actual practice.)
    – “Mutiny”
    -Engaging in malicious rumormongering to destroy the authority or repute of higher officers or the leading names of Scientology or to “safeguard” a position.”
    “If a person or a group that has committed a Suppressive Act comes to his, her senses and recants, his her or their only terminal is the International Justice Chief, via the Continental Justice Chief, who:
    A. Tells the person or group to stop committing present time overts ( this is the Scientology word for sin or crime or bad deed) and to cease all attacks and suppressions so he, she or they can get case gain. ( case gain = spiritual improvement)
    B. Requires a public announcement to the effect that they realize their actions were ignorant and unfounded and stating, where possible, the influences or motivations which caused them to attempt to suppress or attack Scientology; gets it signed before witnesses and published broadly, particularly to persons directly influenced or formerly associated with the former offender or offenders. The letter should be calculated to expose any conspiracy to suppress Scientology or the preclear ( someone working towards the Scientology state of Clear) or Scientologist if such existed.
    B1. Requires that all debts owed to Scientology organizations or missions are paid off.
    B2. “May require that, subject to the approval of the International Justice Chief, an amends project suitable and commensurate with the severity and extent of the Suppressive Acts committed before further A to E steps are undertaken..” ( there is much more under this B2 item but I am leaving it out for brevity)
    C. ” Requires training beginning at the lowest level of the Bridge at their expense if the executive in charge of training will have the person or the group members.
    D. Makes a note of all of the above matters with copies of the statement and files in the Ethics Files of those concerned.
    E. Informs the International Justice Chief and forwards a supplicate of the original statements which show signatures.”

    • Mooser

      Hubbard had a great deal of trouble distinguishing between a rights and possible lawful actions of a captain on the bridge of a ship far out in international waters faced by an life-threatening emergency, and your average religious minister. I think that explains a lot.

      • Tony DePhillips

        Good point.

  • valshifter

    I wonder if the cult will try to COUNFOUND the judge while describing their arbitration system since is designed to confound members from getting a refund. in no way the cult should compare themselves with a regular Christian church, first of all they are not a church.

  • peakofelephants

    Hm. This newsletter is full of phone numbers that could become new CL “classes”…