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L. Ron Hubbard’s writing about women that Scientology DOES want you to see!

[Mary Sue and L. Ron Hubbard]

Recently, we were putting together a new “Best of the Bunker” page that we thought would be helpful for all the new readers joining us. And in order to assemble it, we spent some time rummaging through our old Village Voice archives.

While we were there, searching through Voice stories about Scientology, we stumbled upon one we’d nearly forgotten about, a really terrific story written by an old friend, the Voice’s current film editor Alan Scherstuhl.

We first met Alan in Kansas City, where we both worked at what was once a sister publication to the Voice known as The Pitch. Your proprietor was the newspaper’s managing editor, and Alan was its theater critic. We became fast friends after our arrival there in 2003. Your proprietor soon moved on, and in 2007 ended up at the Voice in New York. By then Alan had started up a great web feature at The Pitch he called “Studies in Crap.” We liked it so much we began running it at the Voice website as well.

For the column, Alan made trips to thrift stores and estate sales and reported on some of the bizarre stuff he found. (And if you’re a digger or an antiquer, Kansas City is pretty much heaven.) In 2010, while on one of his forays, Alan ran across a 1965 paperback by L. Ron Hubbard. Its title was A New Slant On Life, and it was a collection of short essays Hubbard had written as he was developing Dianetics and Scientology in its early days. Alan did a little checking online, and realized not only that the book had some astounding stuff in it, but it was material that Scientology had done its best to make disappear. The book is still sold by Scientology today, but the current edition is very different, missing numerous chapters that were in the 1965 edition.

UPDATE: And after we put this story up, our eagle-eyed Scientology experts realized that this passage might be missing from current editions of A New Slant on Life, but it’s still very much a part of the current edition of Science of Survival, Hubbard’s 1951 book that was the original source of the material.

So it turns out that Scientology does stand by these words of L. Ron Hubbard. Fascinating. Here’s Alan’s 2010 story, and then we’ll show you the most current edition of the material.

 

 
The Church of Scientology does not want you to see L. Ron Hubbard’s woman-hatin’ book chapter

By Alan Scherstuhl

The trouble with having a religion founded by a crazy writer is that crazy writers tend to write crazy shit. Traditionally, the Church of Scientology has handled this by making access to the craziest of L. Ron Hubbard’s jabberings a reward you might earn in exchange for having blown thousands of hours and dollars. (Scientology is to religion what Farmville is to games.)

But what do you do when your founder drops this in a cheap-o paperback?

A society in which women are taught anything but the management of a family, the care of men, and the creation of the future generation is a society which is on its way out.

That’s from “A Woman’s Creativity,” a chapter omitted from reprints of Hubbard’s 1965 book Scientology: A New Slant on Life. In “A Woman’s Creativity,” Hubbard also observes,

The historian can peg the point where a society begins its sharpest decline at the instant when women begin to take part, on an equal footing with men, in political and business affairs, since this means that the men are decadent and the women are no longer women. This is not a sermon on the role or position of women; it is a statement of bald and basic fact.

And:

If man is to rise to greater heights, then women must rise with him or even before him. But she must rise as woman and not as, today, she is being misled into rising – as a man. It is the hideous joke of frustrated, unvirile men to make women over into the travesty of men, which men themselves have become.

Scientologists reprinted A New Slant on Life in 1988, two years after Hubbard’s death. “A Woman’s Creativity” and seven other chapters went missing in the new edition. This demonstrates rare sensitivity on the part of a church that once published photos of a guy dressed as the prophet Mohammad standing in a subservient position to a Scientology auditor.

The 2007 edition, which retails for $30, leaves out 17 of Hubbard’s original chapters, including paranoid gems “Records of the Mind are Permanent,” “Confronting,” and “Freedom vs. Entrapment.” These have been replaced by more conventional self-help claptrap (“How to Handle the Confusions of the Workaday World”) allegedly found in Hubbard’s papers.

Still, the reprint is good enough that it has received 34 5-star Amazon reviews, including five anonymous (and amusingly similar) raves on a single day in 1997.

Since all those happy readers are being denied the full L. Ron experience, your Crap Archivist is pleased to present the chapter “A Woman’s Creativity” in its entirety.



 
 
UPDATE: The great thing about the Bunker is the hivemind here of amazing Scientology knowledge. One of our readers realized that this same passage may have been removed from A New Slant On Life, but it originally appeared in Hubbard’s 1951 book Science of Survival. Sure enough, the same passage does show up in our 1968 edition of SoS on pages 119-120, in Book One, Chapter Eighteen, “Sexual Behaviour, Attitude Toward Children.”

And that sent us looking for the latest edition of Science of Survival, which was issued as part of “The Basics” package in 2007. And get a look at this. The same passage, still in the most current edition of a book sold by Scientology to Scientologists! (Thanks to our reader in Italy who got us these scans in minutes!)

 

 
And thanks to Fly for getting us a scan of the 1951 first edition, which has the same passage. And the 1951 first edition also has this dedication…

 

 
Oh, El Ron.

 
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  • RK

    LRH was what feminists used to call a “male chauvinist pig” in the 1960’s and 70’s – men who felt that women should be kept in their place or they would become “frustrated, unvirile men.”

  • I see that pathological misogyny is frequently associated with narcissistic personality disorder. With all his other psychiatric disturbances, maybe it’s simpler to list those mental conditions L Ron Hubbard didn’t have?

    Meanwhile, back at the portrait-photographer’s… (refresh pose): https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b09da0fe43fd1094762e73152f56dea07319def7c478af302189ea1fee46c7a1.jpg

    • flyonthewall

      awesome. Reminds me of the part in Devil’s Advocate where Charlize Theron’s character started seeing demons

  • Rasha

    “…allegedly found in Hubbard’s papers…” That’s Miscavige’s only out, isn’t it? Just as Hubbard “discovered” his “scientific truths”, Miscavige can only “discover” previously unknown “discoveries” of Source.

    “Hey! Just found previously unknown documents that I’ve verified are absolutely by L Ron himself, that say that my current corrections to the Basics and the E-meter make them the only ones you should have, so turn in the old ones and buy all the new ones.”

    • chukicita

      Yes, for 30 years we forgot to check the back of the closet of that Bluebird trailer Hubbard was hiding out in. Well, we found stuff there that became GAT I, awhile back. But you know, we didn’t look behind the shoes…

    • Harpoona Frittata

      That and his “war on semi-colons” are really the only tools he has to bring Elron’s whacky “stuck in the 50’s” belief system – featuring all manner of blatant racism, misogyny and scientifically disproved conjectures – into the 21st century.

      Squirrel boy has altered, deleted, revised and invented all manner of Elron’s infallible tech and policy, then forced all True Believer $cilons to act as if he didn’t and to refrain from commenting on his squirreling of the tech under threat of ethics handling and the potential loss of their “Eternity”.

      Regardless of what you may think about the efficacy of $cn as Elron created it, lil davey’s alteration of it constitute the highest of high crimes in $cn and for those who are still in not to call him on his treasonous behavior and take decisive action to prevent him from continuing to do so makes them culpable in those high crimes! When will this cowering and craven still-in $cilons summon the courage to KSW and put a stop to squirrel boy’s suppressive acts!?

  • Su

    what is “the race” of which he speaks?

  • Kristen

    So what about all those hard-as-nails top-level Sea Org women? Are they out-tech, out-ethics squirrels?

    • chukicita

      They have charcoal briquettes for ovaries by the time they achieve top levels. Besides, everyone calls them “sir.”

  • Robert Eckert

    OT, but too awesome: Luke Skywalker as the Joker reading Trump’s New Year Tweet:
    https://audioboom.com/posts/5471405-the-trumpster-quote-1

  • Liberated

    I just noticed the price tag on the book…it’s from Half Price Books.

    My favorite store, that’s where I bought all my books about the cult, they have books that you can’t find anywhere else.

    • Rasha

      Ocean State Job Lot often has Laffey’s crap sci-fi books for a buck or two.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    A 2007 edition of “Scientology, a NEW slant on life” seems doublespeak to me.
    On the other hand, an early edition of a Scientology book (such as the 1951 edition of Science of Survial, including the dedication to Alexis) strikes me as much more interesting. (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/22368c38e61a998615375bb2317cb2bbf4b641cf1142c058adcaac09cd5b5e6a.gif

    • Liberated

      I can remember seeing that book at an org. and I asked “who is this Alexis person?”
      Of course the person I asked didn’t know and looked at me like I was crazy.

      • Now the book only says that the chocolate ration has been increased.

  • chukicita

    OT: If you were in the American south this past weekend, you were cold. Really cold.

    Shelters were opening near Flag, so people wouldn’t die. It happens when it gets that cold down here. People aren’t prepared for it, especially those who are facing challenges of homelessness.

    In Clearwater, two shelters were ready. Shelter guests received a hot meal, a warm, safe place to stay the night, and breakfast in the morning. Because that’s what real churches do.

    Peace Memorial Presbyterian was setting up cots. If they filled up (capacity: 110), then St Cecelia Catholic was poised and ready to open its doors, a few miles away.

    Peace Memorial Presbyterian is right there across the street from that giant empty Scientology hotel, and catty-corner from the equally vacant Super Power Building. Which were doing nothing to help protect vulnerable people from the cold.

    • salin

      I read an article earlier today that a couple of volunteers for “Food not Bombs” were arrested for distributing food in nearby Tampa. Seems that a lot of groups were doing humanitarian work for the homeless. Just not the self-referred world’s largest humanitarian relief group. http://www.cltampa.com/news-views/local-news/article/20848403/tampa-activists-arrested-for-feeding-the-homeless

    • salin

      Just adding, that I have recently started covering a shift once a week at an interfaith winter shelter in my city. The site moves to a different church each day of the week, and each night requires about 45 volunteers to run. During the day there is a day shelter that provides meal and access to social services. I think the shelter is in its 10th year.

      Runs 6 months a year (cold months), 7 days a week, requiring 45 volunteers each day. No ecumenical handouts (think: TWTH for Co$), indeed any recruiting/proselytizing is verbotin, as guests would become distrustful and would be more likely to avoid seeking shelter. The year prior to the establishment of the shelter I believe 65 homeless froze to death. Since then I believe the number has dropped to 0-2 a year.

      And somehow this gets done without Co$ yellow-shirted Humanitarians. And no members of any of the participating churches are harshly regged for the project.

      • chukicita

        Kudos to you for being on the front lines!

        I can’t imagine how you’re doing it without the Only Ones Who Can Help.

    • in Plymouth (UK) their Ideal org building – a 50 bedroom hotel which has been left to rot since 2010 – is literally 3 minutes walk down the road from a chronically oversubscribed Salvation Army Hostel for homeless people.

      All it is has ever been used for in all that time is to con more money out of Scientologists.

  • Jgg2012

    This is yet another parallel between LRH and Trump.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    LRH was clearly known for his misogyny, his racism and his homophobia.

    I like to listen to this James Brown song:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H77fRz1rybs&index=1&list=LLalFrFxLOarw4pLrdxPdCkg

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Upon his forehead an ugly cyst,
    Ron the con was a misogynist,
    Who oftentimes was very pissed.
    Voice raised, he flailed with fist
    The evil coward will not be missed

    News of his death just reached North Korea

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6187f029a0d39e0585a1ec11476b39977f9769a5d266e2aaf21d0c1f0e91225e.jpg

  • Jimmy3

    Fly is a good best tipsyter. Thank you very good fly.

    • Rasha

      …could that which dedication for it be worded any less not cumbersome?

      • Jimmy3

        Yes

  • Some month ago i started a Robot-Newspaper and it’s getting better and better all by it self. It’s now like a Weekly review in the ASC world:
    http://paper.li/DiceMore/1468584913?edition_id=adedf010-d66d-11e6-992b-0cc47a0d15fd&utm_campaign=paper_sub&utm_medium=email&utm_source=subscription

  • Rasha

    Disqus make some posts go away.

    • Jimmy3

      Disqus be removin posts like Hubbard be removin wives
      Like Scientology be removin cray chapters

      • Rasha

        “Disqus releases new version, code named ‘Gaslight’. ‘Never happened’, says project manager.”

      • You never had a second post?

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        It’s jumping around like a junkie too.

        • Rasha

          Scientology can block that for you.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          It’s been doing that to me for months now. Makes me nutty.

  • iampissed

    A lovely lady passed today at 11 cst, her name was Sidney. I always found that to a interesting name
    for a lady. She was a nurse, house painter, I can cut with the best of them due to this lady.
    If you don’t know what cutting is do a google search.. there were times I kind of hated her,
    Like the time I had to lay on my back on scaffolding paint a quesant hut….dam that sucked.
    She taught me what family was and what love is….she had my back.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      My condolences.

    • Rasha

      That her contribution is recognized and her memory is valued is a worthy tribute. Condolences and a salute. Take care.

    • Jimmy3

      Take a break from personal tragedies for a while. At least 6 months.

      • iampissed

        I told my mom she is not allowed die for five years.

      • iampissed

        From a J and D er that means a lot

    • salin

      Beautiful tribute. Condolences, iampissed. Warm embraces with compassion sent to you and your wife.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      So sorry for your loss. ❤️

    • Newiga

      Sorry for your loss.. :'(

    • gtsix

      Very sorry to hear.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I am so sorry. Your family’s had a rough go of it lately. I wish you all much needed peace and comfort.

      Btw, I saw your donation and tribute on the billboard Gofundme page. That was a lovely and generous gesture.

    • lori banister

      Man! You must be saying “Enough, life! ” I am sorry. Continuing to send silent support and strength. Best wishes to you and your wife.

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      So sorry to hear of this–my thoughts are with you and your family.

  • Richard

    According to Hubbard, and thus, according to all Scientologists, us SPs here on the Bunker (and yes, you are an SP if if you are reading the Bunker) are all below the 2.0 mark on the Tone Scale. This low tone level means that our attitude towards sex is such:

    We have disgust and revulsion for sex. We are rapists. We are promiscuous, perverted, sadistic and perform irregular practices. Towards the end, we are going to be impotent and at the very end our sexual organs will become relatively useless.

    But it’s not all bad news, fellow SPs, and here, according to Ron, is what all of us can expect when we die:

    “Along the -1 band (of the tone scale), where the organism as an organism is dead, but the cells still survive, it is interesting that ejaculation and sexual activity occasionally take place immediately after the death of the individual.”

    Isn’t it great to know that, in spite of our hate and revulsion towards sex, the moment we die, we will all have one last and final climax!

    • omg it’s true 🙂 he wrote that!

    • kemist

      I wonder how you can both have hate and revulsion for sex and be promiscuous.

      Wouldn’t that mean that we’re masochists rather than sadists ?

      Halp. I are confused..

    • Joe

      “We have disgust and revulsion for sex. We are rapists. We are promiscuous, perverted, sadistic and perform irregular practices. Towards the end, we are going to be impotent and at the very end our sexual organs will become relatively useless.”

      Hey! I’m only like. . .one or two of those things.

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I am all of them. Beat that XD

        • Scandinavia blues! he he

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Once the permafrost sets in, it’s downhill all the way :-/

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I’m sure you already did.

          ; )

          • daisy

            LOL you are such a balsy uterine ? woman. I love it.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Thank you, D! I am proud to be a uterine woman with balls! ; )

    • Rasha

      “at the very end our sexual organs will become relatively useless.”

      …relative to what?

      • Richard

        It’s a genuine Ron quote. You’re going to have to ask him. He’s on Target Two at this moment but unfortunately I don’t have his telefax number to get in touch.

    • daisy

      Are those things bad ?

      • Richard

        Well, I don’t know. The fact is that, like it or not like it, that’s what us SPs do.

  • FredEX2

    The title of Hubbard’s book should be “An OLD Slant on Life”

    • Username

      Or “A Dirty Old Man’s Slant on Life”

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Or “Be My Slave For Life”.

        • FredEX2

          Johnny, since this is a mysoginist and sexist discussion today sparked by LRH’s Ice Age take on men & women’s roles…It seems the perfect time to ask you if you’ll make another video of your cute bum for all us girls on the Bunker? …Oh!…And could you wear your Chippindale’s outfit….and next time you go to the kitchen please make me a sandwich and bring me a beer?
          Thanks Sweetie. (pats your rear end as you walk by )
          F5
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7cb07674935228c75627b3ffdb764964b35807ac2bdb47d589048a0af39279ec.jpg

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            The Chippendale’s outfit is at the dry-cleaners. Slight work mishap. Don’t ask.

  • chukicita

    Traditional Scientology ceremony:

    “Now, (groom’s name), girls need clothes and food and tender happiness and frills, a pan, a comb, perhaps a cat. All caprice if you will, but still they need them. Hear well, sweet (bride’s name), for promise binds. Young men are free and may forget. Remind him then that you may have necessities and follies, too.” – L. Ron Hubbard.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c6c5ad3d1247aaf9ac4d6e98def57bc98e35a10134f2a2871dc5a7e9f907db0a.gif

    • kemist

      Well, she gets a pan.

      If it’s a heavy cast iron thing, it should be enough to show him who’s boss.

    • Username

      Thanks for the laugh!

      • chukicita

        It’s not a joke. It’s part of the real traditional Scn wedding ceremony, written by Hubbard.

        • Username

          WHAT!!!

          • chukicita
            • Username

              As a never in, I really just thought you were being very clever and funny by making up some 1950ish version of mysognostic pretend vows. Especially that cat comment. I laughed out load. Who says things like this unless its a SNL skit. Wow…just wow… the rabbit hole of LRH craziness just got much deeper.

            • chukicita

              I’m a never-in, too.

              One thing I have learned in over two decades of Scn-watching: The crazy is truly bottomless (and I’m not talking about Johnny Tank).

              However, Hubbard was a product of his time, and he and by extension Scientology can never escape that. I am old enough to remember that the attitudes reflected in these words were fairly standard in dominant culture.

            • Liberated

              I’m always surprised when someone says they were a never in and yet knows so much about
              the cult.
              I would have sworn you had been a member and Baby too.

            • chukicita

              You know, I probably wouldn’t care that much if they hadn’t decided to try to intimidate me over 20 years ago for asking difficult questions on a.r.s.

              I think I may have read more Hubbard than the average Scientologist. And because I live near Flag I have had more than average occasions to interact with Scientologists, and see their impact firsthand.

            • Username

              Seems like scientologist live in a dysfunctional time capsule. Must be exhausting.

            • Graham

              Poe’s Law applies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
              Indeed most of Scientology is so mad it’s difficult to tell which bits might be parody and which bits are real.

            • Username

              Nice history of the 🙂 emoticon to distinguish satyr. I agree. We need an emoticon for non-scientologists that means…”yes I know this is some crazy shit, but its real” because… damm… I would have never thought that was real if you didn’t tell me and send links.

            • chukicita

              *pulls up a spare rocker on the Front Porch of Infinity*

              Make yourself at home.

            • Username

              Very funny!! Although I still think LRH with his pans, combs and cats for the married woman is is a little funnier. Are you sure you didn’t write that? 😉

          • Observer
          • I’ve been trying to find a full copy of that ceremony for some time. It’s so twee that is passes beyond satire and goes around the clock several times. There are others – the ‘baptismal’ service is hilarious.

            I also recommend this little booklet, written by Hubbard’s wife (the formidable Mary Sue Hubbard) supposedly in response to entreaties from Scientologists to explain the secrets of their utterly perfect marriage (which ended when he let her take the fall for ‘Project Snow White’. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/11/08/marriage-hats-a-rare-pamphlet-written-by-the-woman-l-ron-hubbard-abandoned-and-published-by-the-church-of-scientology/

            • Username

              Thanks… looking by through, but no wonder they want to bury it. Yikes.

    • Observer

      I wonder if Katie still has her souvenir TC comb and pan.

      • Newiga

        xD

    • Rasha

      “…you may have necessities and follies…” Yeah, just remind him, because he’s free and may forget. Oh, here’s your pan, and a comb. We’ll see about a cat. Now just scoot – it’s almost dinner time.

      • chukicita

        Yes, we *may* have them, too! Tee-hee. Hubbard was so forward-looking.

        Even decades after the rest of the world started using “human” in place of “Man” to describe our species, he still never used the more inclusive term.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I’ve got all the cats and combs I need, son, thanks. Now about that pan…the smelly one in the corner with the litter in it….How about you take your free and forgetful ass over there and scoop out for me, ‘kay?

      A serious question for exes: is this actually used as part of contemporary marriage ceremonies between scientologists? I’ve often wondered if it was just a relic or still part of the practice.

    • Chee Chalker

      Oh that Ron and his giant melon head! What a romantic

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    The family (raising kids) is the cornerstone of society, except in Scientology:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb7Gpzl0cLY

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous
    • Joe

      That’s why people love her so much.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    Here’s the English version of a song I often listened to in the 80s about women’s liberation:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7YAIjCHM8o

    • Ben Franklin

      what is a cookie dingler?

      • Lousy Ratatouille

        It’s the name of the artist. I guess Cookie is not his official name,

  • nottrue

    With Leah drawing all this attention it is a perfect time for another Bill board….. .. . https://twitter.com/DatumOmNom/status/818508443665530880

  • Vault Digger

    OT: Apologies if this has already been posted. This is an article about a couple of survivors of the Heaven’s Gate cult http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2426-my-life-in-suicide-cult-after-everyone-else-died.html

    • April

      That was an interesting read.

  • nottrue
    • Joe

      It’s such an amazing contrast between her passive-aggressive ambiguous Tweets and Leah’s direct, no-nonesense Tweets.

      Kristie: “I wish SOMEONE would stop being so MEAN about THINGS they don’t know about! Oh well…”
      Leah: “You’re an asshole.”

      • April

        I’d prefer “direct and to the point” over “passive aggressive bitchiness” every day of the week, even if the person is telling me to go fuck myself.

        • Kim O’Brien

          i’m writing this down …:) ( kidding )

          • April

            I half expected someone to reply to my comment with, “Go fuck yourself, April!”
            LMAO

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Love it! Every time Krustie breaks cover and makes even the most innocuous statements she gets walloped upside her BT-filled pin head about her cult affiliation and past boosterism.

      But where could 3rd biggest being Tom be? $cn’s premier World Ambassador has definitely been slackin’ lately. If you can’t come to the aid of your cult, err, beautiful religion when the chips are down, then what fucking good are you!?

      All these celeb $cilons and whales have gone deathly silent while their religion gets raked over the coals and dissed by millions. I guess that when you latch onto celebs to promote your cult by association, then when they quit associating with you publicly you end up with the opposite of that promotional influence…and it couldn’t happen to a more deserving cult either 😉

  • iampissed

    Really

  • Kim O’Brien

    Well ..the updates make the story even better . I think I am going to take a late lunch and go rage fuck the hot bartender across the street . He can make his own damn sandwich

    • Frodis73

      I so love you Kim!!

  • TexasBroad

    As a young woman, I worked as a paralegal and shared an office with the attorney’s administrative assistant. One day said attorney came in with his drycleaning and handed it to her, asking if she wouldn’t mind handling it for him. She smiled, and said she surely would.
    A week or so later, he inquired about it. “Your drycleaning? It’s in the filing cabinet under “D.” I assume that’s what you wanted me to do with it because that’s what I do here.”
    I learned a lot about setting boundaries from her. I think I’m going to call her – haven’t talked to her in years!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      TexasBroad, I love this story!

  • iampissed

    I have bee I g with

    • flyonthewall

      you’re allergic to bee stings and are going into anaphylactic shock? upvote once for yes, twice for no

      • Kestrel

        No upvotes from iampissed. This can’t be good. Can you do a quick welfare check?

        • flyonthewall

          if he dies, he dies

  • iampissed

    I’m done

  • nottrue
    • Chee Chalker

      Oh yes…this nat is a gem

    • Observer

      Nat doesn’t seem like a very good journalist. Maybe she’d be better off in the comb-pan-cat milieu?

      • very quickly scanning her social media, she’s just a kid w/ a Taissa Farmiga obsession and an attitude problem https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ebc94296b2feb6fe648f1fea37039178f1992c7fee129bfad739d9e8a2c260d7.png

        • Observer

          In other words, low-hanging fruit for FSMs.

        • Observer

          Also, Laura has been a clam “for 20 years” (I don’t think it’s been that long) so none of you meanies are allowed to mention it. So there!

          • might be about that long … didn’t she get assimilated by DF’nM (Danny Fucking Masturbation Masterson, w/ shout out to 5Ft) during That 70s Show?

            (edit to correct fuckface’s name … all that masturbation talk the other day has apparently reprogrammed the auto-correct on my phone. awkward!)

            • Observer

              Huh, it has been close to that. According to Scientology-friendly World Religion News she joined in 1999. Time flies when you’re getting the kid.

            • good thing that sticking it to The Man keeps us so young

            • April

              I just checked and That 70’s Show first aired in 1998. Nearly 20 years.
              I feel so fucking old. *sobs*

            • remember when that thing happened a couple of years ago … you know, back in the 90s?
              ;p
              (sobbing along w/ you)

            • April

              I just graduated college 10 years ago, and That 70’s Show started just a few years afterward. So That 70’s Show can’t be more than 5 years old!
              *throws middle-aged soccer mom tantrum*

            • EmmaDaoust

              Yes, well That 70s Show was about the 70s which is when I was in college, so…

            • April

              Well you’re welcome to throw a tantrum right along with me, then. 😀

            • EmmaDaoust

              I’m too old and decrepit to tantrum. It’s all Radical Acceptance at this point.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Some folks were HARD trolling him on Instagram yesterday. It was glorious.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              That’s hilarious. And just to prove how highly I think of Masterson, I barely noticed the typo.

            • kemist

              That’s all right.

              He’s a wanker anyway.

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Close to 20, actually.

            ETA: Nevermind, I just scrolled down. You’re already on to it. Don’t mind me…

        • gtsix

          20 years, and she’s not OT8 yet?

          Fuckin dilettante.

        • Graham

          Calling somebody to account for being a hypocrite is ‘spreading hate’? Seriously?

        • So violent.

          • what do the kids say … that escalated quickly? well, i say, these kids should stay off the lawn if they can’t avoid stepping in dogshit

        • kemist

          If someone is thinking of writing a thesis in psychology, I’ve got a great idea for them : diagnose people’s personality disorders from their Twitter feed.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I was watching that convo unfold. Thanks to OITNB, Prepon has some aggressively loyal fans. I remember Ebner getting into with a few of them once, after Prepon’s interview with Celebrity mag started making the media rounds. I guess it’s hard for some people to hear critical things about people they admire once they become so emotionally attached.

      • April

        It’s interesting that she’s using the “you’re just doing this for money” angle to attack TO & LR. Smacks of CO$ dead agent tactics and actually parrots what the CO$ is saying about Leah’s show. Contrast that with a typical fan girl approach: “OMG I love Laura Prepon so much! She’s a terrific actress! Leave her alone!”

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Well, she’s made the typical fangirl arguments, too.

          • April

            Yes, but still very interesting that she’s parroting the CO$’s line.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I think that means it’s managed to penetrate certain sectors of social media.

  • Liberated

    I was in Target parking lot and saw a Tesla, I had never seen one up close before….it was pretty.

    • Jimmy3

      The only way this story could be more interesting is if you saw Tesla in a Target parking lot. But it wouldn’t have been as pretty, because, ya know… Zombies.

    • kemist

      There are 2 or 3 total in Quebec City. None from my company, even if we have changing stations and some peeps have electric cars.

      I have not noticed yet whether their owners use them during winter, when battery performance would be an issue.

    • Yeah. Here’s a Tesla meeting my genZe 2.0 (also electric with a touch-screen display). https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a4e11da946a98a22d34d7760afcaa689c9a9c9a69819da619859a8a1ce686908.jpg

  • Ben Franklin

    I was wondering what happened to Alexis Hubbard and decided to track her down. It took me a while, but finally found where she is.

    • Jimmy3

      The only way this story could be more creepy is if you included details while wearing her underwear.

    • flyonthewall

      no you didn’t

  • davegrille

    Narcissistic individuals are fond of putting people into castes according to sex ,race ,or any other category .

  • Kristen

    Who’s the chick on Twitter coming out swinging for Laura Prepon?

    https://twitter.com/TonyOrtega94/status/818560056748810240

    • Jimmy3

      That’s nat. And based on her avatar photo, she’s a reporter for the Disney Channel.

      • Kristen

        Interesting. She seems to think Prepon is perfectly willing to do interviews with the likes of Tony. Cripes.

      • flyonthewall

        John McClain played a reporter for the Disney Channel in Die Hard 9

      • Nat-leficent

        Fake news^^^^

        • Jimmy3

          Report me to Zuckerberg. I dare you.

          • Disquckerberg

          • Nat-leficent

            Nah. Daniel Ha for you!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Major fangirl. See below…

  • itsIBBy

    I love the fashion of the 50’s, but L Wrong’s philosophies on women can fuck the fuck off.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Why would a $cientologist be randomly replying to posts from people (whom they don’t know) about Leah Remini/Aftermath? Are clams allowed to search Facebook for comments about Leah in order to pester/explain how great the CO$ is? Hmm…
    (refresh)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ed0367ed7b94f25a2680cca810bc4b929e695895c92efc31e99f780a7723f9c1.png
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4f60433f6c525f0ed129ee25b925d879026d189bdb991b41dbac83c301fe44a6.png
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/435eb859ae7efded7052605bc57f280909b5c6047619c1362920781376afbf6b.png

    • Kristen

      Maybe it’s one of Bill Yaude’s billion sock puppets?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Maybe, but she has entries on that CO$ completions/patron website.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      If Christine the $cilon with five amazing kids, is really on the up and up, then she deserves to know that when it comes to $cn, there are only two types of people: those who have been disconnected from family and friends and those who will be disconnected from family and friends in the future. Everyone thinks it won’t happen to them…until it does.

    • Jimmy3

      Redacting always works until it doesn’t

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Since I didn’t mean to blackout the clam at all, I’m cool with it. And too lazy to correct it 🙂

        • Jimmy3

          Fair enough 😛

    • Graham

      “Borrowed a friend’s dog specifically to come to the dog park I went to”
      “I guess there are those kinds of people in all religions”. NO THERE AREN’T! That’s super-creepy weird shit that only a Scientologist would think was remotely normal.

      • flyonthewall

        that doesn’t seem creepy to me tbh. I mean, stalking them on the internet to find their number or address is creepy. Borrowing a friend’s dog bc you know the person you’re into goes to a dog park is merely inventive and shows initiative.

    • Joe

      Hey Chrstine, ask your “Church” about the Hole or the Snow White Program and see if you don’t get the shit sec checked out of you.

      I mean getting interrogated and charged for those interrogations seems like a pretty commensurate ecclesiatical response to asking questions, right?

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Well, the topic of Jenna and Bodhi’s new podcast ep is karmic, eh? (F5)

    New #KickingAndScreaming @kickingelfman filmed comedy podcast is out on iTunes & @nerdist! I go OFF on an epic, empassioned working mother/wife rant to @bodhielfman. #marriage 😂

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b6368daa8db05dbc5fe1f204e8a83a1d7ba0167153c2abea5bea165655693ebb.png

    • Observer

      They are just…gross

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        They really are. I feel so bad for their kids.

    • Jimmy3

      Sorry, but I don’t trust actors, especially when they talk about “working”. Maybe you put effort into it, but you don’t work. You act. You’re not a working mom.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Eh, I think some of them work harder than others–the character actors and others lower on the SAG totem pole. I can’t imagine Jenna even gets that many jobs to begin with, though.

        • Jimmy3

          My mother worked third shift as an ER nurse, then she’d come home, fix us a breakfast and see us off to school, sleep, wake up to see us home and cook us dinner. That’s a working mom. Plus she had to deal with me.

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            Well, Tom Cruise works harder than Marines, when he has to run during filming of his movies.

            ETA: It’s brutal. BRUTAL!

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Like the Marines could do their own stuns. I mean…come ON, right?!

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              It’s all CGI, and smoke and mirrors. The Marines don’t know combat – TC is the only one who KNOWS combat.

            • kemist

              Stop being glib peoples.

              The Tom Cruise is the only person who ever worked hard. Like, ever.

            • Mark Foster

              He´s one of TWO big beings in this sector of the guh-laxy!

            • Joe
          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            It’s that last part that tips the scales. ; )

          • Yeah. Many have a weird sense of “work”.

          • Kim O’Brien

            i want her in my bitches brunch club

          • daisy

            I love a man who appreciates his mom.

          • Frodis73

            Yes! I watched my mom work during day, then go to night school, study and try to play mommy for about 2 years. Hard as hell and it drove her crazy(ier). Props to your mom…being a nurse is one of the hardest jobs.

        • Frodis73

          Absolutely, the non-celeb types do work very hard…and that is 99.9% of SAG.

      • gtsix

        That’s just silly.

        • Jimmy3

          I know. It is silly. Whenever I hear about working parents in Hollywood, I wonder if the nanny who actually raises their kids is an actress too.

          • Jimmy3

            And the answer is yes. Yes, she is.

            • kemist

              She has a stunt double, I heard.

          • gtsix

            I know, how awful that these mothets make enough money to provide a stable environment whIle they are working.

            Working fathers…. is that even a thing?

    • daisy

      Bodhi seems to think wearing his 2 hairs like that makes them look more plentiful. It just elogates his horse face. Oh wait that may be what he is going for.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Well, his wife does have a type…

      • I see what you did there.
        And I approve.
        Well done.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      Perhaps the camera just caught him as a very painful gas bubble caught his attention, but Bodhi has the look of a middle-age man unhappily trapped in a life that he knows for sure will go on to be just as unhappy for the rest of it, unless he gets out NOW! There’s a grim bitterness to his expression and a look of stunned hurt and disgusted resignation in his eyes.

      On the other hand, Jenna looks like she’s spied her next equine conquest and is eager to get on it 😉

    • itsIBBy

      these two look extremely punchable

    • Chee Chalker

      She goes off on a rant because Bodhi hasn’t had a job in years

  • Jeb Burton

    I’ve been out in the field for the last 6 hours, and couldn’t wait to go to the bunker to see what the LAPD had to say about Leah’s inquiry. I take it nothing has transpired. Are they going to just let it go? Can they do that?

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Philboard has broken the half way mark. At present time: $5,060.

    https://www.gofundme.com/stopscientologydisconnection

  • flyonthewall

    I hope everyone is having a good new year so far. May all your wildest dreams come true. *throws pixie dust*

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • kemist

      Russel :

      I’m sick of all that goddamn leadership. I’d like to see some freaking common sense for a change. Let’s start with you :

      Pull your head outta your arse, read something else than that useless, lying gasbag with rotten teeth, and get out of that motherfucking cult.

    • Chee Chalker

      Didn’t the British government recently force Lientologly to pull ads because they could not be proven? So their ‘proof’ is that Clearcast approved these? Not sure how that happened and what exactly is Clearcast?

      • Not the British government, but an independent body which regulates advertising. The Advertising Standards Authority came about after a deal with the government. It is financed by the press so as avoid the inevitable accusations of government censorship, and the press has agreed to abide by its rulings.

        The ASA can get ‘bad ads’ that appear in respectable publications pulled and publish their adjudications online to shame offenders. Ultimately, they can require rogue advertisers to submit their copy to the ASA for clearing before it can be published – media which carry ads will not touch entities on the ASA blacklist.

        I’ve used them to close down a mad Narconon con in Scotland https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/narconon-in-the-uk-part-three-the-advertising-standards-authority-takes-an-interest-in-narconon-scotland/ and forced several publications (including the prestigious “New Statesman”) to stop publishing ‘Volunteer Minister’ ads https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2015/07/08/the-uk-advertising-standards-association-acts-on-scientologys-volunteer-ministers-advertisements/

        The VM ads were sanctioned because advertisers are required to hold objective evidence which supports any definite claim – and the copy about the VMs could not be. The Narconon ad broke that rule, and just about every other one in the book. Someone else brought down a VM TV ad, too, presumably on the same basis. I missed that one, because I don’t own a TV.

        Producers go to Clearcast to get scripts cleared. The public goes to the ASA, and they do take action.

        I have another complaint being assessed at the moment. The ASA is a really effective way to punish the CofS for lying. The only thing that slows me down is that I don’t come across many Scientology ads in the UK press – so, if anyone has any recent UK ads which make verifiable claims please send the details to me here https://scicrit.wordpress.com/contact-us/ and I might be able to set a lot more in motion.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Well done!

        • lori banister

          Go you!

          • Anyone can do it – you just have to find the ads, read the rules really carefully, and make a complaint via a web form. The only hard part is spotting their ads.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Anyone can do it, but you actually do it! Respect!

        • daisy

          I do not want to embarrass you ( clearly not true , or I wouldn*t do it ) but you sir should wake up to the sound of applause every day.

          • Kestrel

            I agree.

          • I used to think I did – but it turned out to be pigeons running around on the roof.

    • Harpoona Frittata

      The folks at $cn who wrote that long response to John’s request for objective stats need to word clear “hearsay”.

      $cn loves to pull wildly inflated stats right from out their asses and do so without any embarrassment or second thought. They’re perfectly at home in and well-suited for the new fact-free era that we’re now entering into.

  • nottrue
  • beauty for ashes

    I seriously have every conceivable nausea remedy at my disposal, except maryjane. Ginger ale, diet and regular, ginger and peppermint tea, Anna’s ginger thins, a host of anti nausea/anti reflux chemo strength meds, ginger and peppermint essential oils. etc. etc.
    I still don’t feel prepared to read this without a bucket. Lawd help me. **guzzles gingerale**

    • Jimmy3

      someone get this poor woman some weed STAT

      • Mark Foster

        Weed brownies. No need to mess up the lungs. The oven is on. J3, Use your OT powers to teleport the product to me, I will bake the brownies, send you a telex when they are done, and then you can teleport them to beauty.

        • Frodis73

          How funny, I am baking brownies right this very minute. It is just one of those store bought mixes…no pot either, but brownies none the less.

          • Jimmy3

            someone get this poor woman some weed STAT

        • Kestrel

          Weed spaghetti sauce (or pizza sauce) is also an alternative.

        • gtsix

          Make cannabutter. Simple as all get out. This way you can add it to anything at any time.

          http://herb.co/cannabutter/

      • beauty for ashes

        Soon, just became legal in Florihell. Hasn’t shown up available anywhere yet. Haha, just think the Daytona 500 is gonna be a smokestack, with a 5 mile radius contact high warning.

  • nottrue
    • Observer

      Scientology is an equal opportunity human rights violator.

    • grundoon

      “or similar criteria”

      Sexuality?

  • But they have so much hubris to offer legal aids.

  • saksin

    I am not a fan of either Hubbard or Scientology, but reading the three short quotes, I’d say the third one in particular makes a point well worth making in these times of tyrannical so called political correctness, according to which the most elementary facts about men and women are anathema and to be denied. I would change only the first clause to “If man is to arrest his current decline…”…

    • Jeb Burton

      Political correctness means I can not say the n-word anymore. Political correctness is a term racists and sexists use because they can not act like an ass anymore and be accepted in normal society.

      • saksin

        You provide a perfect example of what I say in my reply to “5 feet long and luminous”, above. Thank you for making my point!

    • Panopea Abrupta

      To which “most elementary facts” do you refer?

      • saksin

        One of them being that men and women differ in more than bodily characteristics, another one being that left to their own devices they will choose to do different things, statistically speaking.

    • kemist

      These “facts”… aren’t.

      Western culture from the 1950s isn’t “biology”.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      “Political correctness” is just word salad for “basic human decency.”

      • Kestrel

        “Freedom” is just another word for “nothing less to lose.” Just ask John Sugg.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Hey, where’s he been lately? Always fun times when he drops by the Bunker.

          • Kestrel

            If he was in the Sea Org, he’d be scrubbing a dumpster.

      • saksin

        A “basic human decency” that does not include acceptance of the fact that decent and honest people can sincerely have different ideas about the kind of social arrangements under which they want to live, and different ideas about what are the best ideals and norms regarding the roles of men and women in those social arrangements. The lie of political correctness is that there is one unequivocal and determinate form of human decency, and all other views and stances are indecent and beyond the pale. It is, in other words, a form of ideological tyranny that runs counter to freedom of thought, freedom of expression, and freedom of conscience.

    • flyonthewall

      it appears that your views are very unpopular here

    • Frodis73

      I would also bet my last penny you are a man. A man who would not have to make any compromise with himself or any sacrifice to fulfill this BS idea.

    • pluvo

      All woman in my family have a vocal education and work. They are no less woman as are the men less men (manly men). It has nothing to do with political correctness.
      Only weak man are afraid of strong woman. A real man does not have the need to show off his manlines by insisting his wifey is beneath him. But if a couple decides that the woman doesn’t work and cares only for their children at home it is of course their decision – totally fine.

      You may not know, but Hubbard had some issues treating his second wife (which he denied having) very badly, abducting their child and threatening her to kill it.

      The third one: “… when women begin to take part, on an equal footing with men, in political and business affairs, since this means that the men are decadent and the women are no longer women.”

      Jeeze, give me a break. “The men are decadent and the woman are no longer women”?? I don’t see any decadent men, at most one or the other man who has to cover up some complex he has with being macho-macho (and I’m not talking about just normal real man).

    • I suspect that we might have different ideas about what constitute “elementary facts”- and probably evidence, too, come to that.

  • Harpoona Frittata

    Well, since I somehow found myself mysteriously back on $cn’s mailing list after over three decades of being off of it, I’ve been enjoying my copies of Advance and Celebrity a whole lot! But today, when I opened my mailbox to see revealed there my very own copy of ISN, International $cn News…well, I’m sure you can imagine what a thrill that was for me!

    These mags embody a level of glossy splendor and professional production at every level that would have made even the perfectionist founder himself proud as a BT-free $cilon could be. It’s a full 129 pages (not counting the back cover) of eye-popping candy and articles that I just can’t wait to dig into. But what struck me as odd when I’m glanced at the first of four double-page lay-outs at the beginning of this issue was that nowhere in that beautifully shot, two-page sunset pic of the Supa Powerz building was there a single human being to be seen!

    However, that interesting fact didn’t strike me until scanned through the next three double-page photo spreads of the Fleecewinds at sea,the new AO building in Australia and the new Harlem org and realized that none of them had a single person pictured anywhere in any of them either. It’s like the ideal scene in $cn is one without people!

    Scanning down the table of contents, an article title caught my eye: “The Forecast for California’s South Coast: All Clear”. Apparently, the $cilons who put that one together did so before Hurricane Leah made landfall, because it’s pretty much the opposite of “all clear” for $cilons in the South Land. Most of them are barricaded indoors and only go out when absolutely necessary in order to avoid being asked about who they’ve been forced to disconnect from and how much they’ve spent on exorcising imaginary space alien spirits…not fun, not a fun time at all to be a South Coast $cilon!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Co$ has achieved its end phenomenon – “the ideal scene in $cn is one without people!”

      • Mark Foster

        But with tons of money for Demented Malfeasance…

      • Harpoona Frittata

        They go over this stuff with a fine-toothed comb, so the complete absence of any people in any of those double-page photo spreads couldn’t be accidental. I think that the non-$cilon folks who actually put the mag together may be sending all cult members a subliminal message there!

    • Rasha

      Word of advice: Scan each page and forward to Tony. Better yet, save them to a Google Drive and share it with him. Very efficient, and makes for fun “WTF” pickings…

    • ze moo

      It is better for the clampire not to feature people. Save time when they have to airbrush out the SPs.

    • pluvo

      Besides that DM doesn’t like people but only underlings (yeah and some whales), he has a problem: No ideal people for his Ideal Buildings when he is not featuring His Ideal Self… or His COBness.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        Since Dear Leader is the “supreme rullah” of $cn and a known stickler for details, it’s almost certain that he personally signed off on the cover and following eight pages of really glossy and heavily photoshopped pics, all of which should have had people in them, but didn’t.

        I think that it’s a very good possibility that lil davey is pining for some real company and feels as alone and bleak as this front spread in the current ISN mag depicts…I think he’s back to the bad ol’ days of TC not returning his calls and him obsessing about it.

  • Dave Reams

    Why did Alexis bear L Ron’s Hubbard’s last name if she was born to Sara Northrup Hollister who was the second wife Ron never had before being pussy Whipped by wife #3 Mary Sue?

    • ze moo

      Lron kidnapped her and kept her away from Sara for a time. After Sara agreed to the divorce, I think Alexis was returned to Sara. Lron didn’t want to raise children himself. That is a good thing.

    • grundoon

      L. Ron Hubbard bigamously married Sara Northrup. The child of that union was Alexis Hubbard. While Sara took care of the baby, L. Ron had affairs with his secretary and others. Sara became friendly with Dianetics student Miles Hollister. Ron accused them of having an affair and demanded a divorce. To pressure her, Ron kidnapped Alexis and fled with her to Havana, assisted by Hollywood heir Richard de Mille. While waiting in Havana for the divorce to come through, Ron pounded out Science of Survival, and de Mille turned it into something resembling English. I believe much of the misogynistic crap in SOS, and much of the Tone Scale introduced there, were conceived as daggers to Sara’s heart and as self-justification – although he disguised them as universal laws and wisdom for the ages. After the divorce, Sara and Miles got married. Ron wrote letters to the FBI denouncing them as Communists. In all versions of his will, Hubbard ordered that Sara and Alexis must not get anything.

  • RexAinsfree

    Re-broadcasts of Leah’s shows = starting in 20 min on A&E, in case anyone missed something or just wants to see these again. This is on DishNetwork … not sure it’ll be on other providers.

    (Please excuse this post if everyone already knows this.) 😮

  • flyonthewall

    if anyone wants some pixie dust I have like a whole bucket of the shit right here, just help yourself.

    • Princess Squishy

      did Santa confuse you with Tinkerbell?

      • flyonthewall

        Nope. Costco, $12.99 for 10 gallon bucket

        • Princess Squishy

          I can’t even get glitter for such a good deal

          • flyonthewall

            You want glitter? I can get you glitter. Make a phone call and get some glitter.

        • I gave that stuff up after I did a temporary job at the factory. The high-pitched screams that the pixies make when they realise they are going to be thrown into the grinder to make the dust… they get to you, eventually.

          The workers ought to stun them first, but pixies are really small, and it slows production to a crawl . Don’t even get me started on the battery pixie farms. That’s no life for a supernatural entity.

          • flyonthewall

            this is why I never wanted to see the kitchen of my favorite restaurant

          • beauty for ashes

            I love when once born gets silly. 🙂 🙂 😉 it’s like jean luc picard telling you a joke.

            • daisy

              He is quite hilarious when he wants to be.He is one of those rare people who uses all parts of his brain.

            • beauty for ashes

              If we had a drinking game this would be a time to pop open some champs.

            • I loved Patrick Stewart’s “Macbeth”, so that’s high praise }-)

              However, I have never been able to understand why they hired a quintessentially British actor and made his character a Frenchman. I wonder if the scripts written for someone else who dropped out, and they didn’t have time to change anything when Stewart stepped in.

              It’s rather like Sean Connery, who has played a Irish cop, King Arthur and a Russian submarine commander with a Scottish accent.

            • beauty for ashes

              I just love Patrick Stewart. And Sean Connery! 🙂

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Pixie dust is so one hour ago *rolls eyes*

      • flyonthewall

        it was a two part joke you…ok just forget it. You know what? No pixie dust for you!

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          I prefer angel dust anyway.

          • JaxNGold

            lol

          • flyonthewall

            no argument here, great album, one of my favs

  • mud
    • flyonthewall

      that’s Sara Northrup? Great pic, thnx

      • mud

        Yes

        • flyonthewall

          any details on the where and when of this?

          • mud

            Betty on the archery range
            1940
            University of Southern California
            Photo was used as a magazine cover

            • flyonthewall

              before the affair with Parsons started. Thnx again

          • Frodis73

            Too bad L Ron’s ass wasn’t the target…

  • Gene Trujillo

    As noted, the quote is actually from the original Science of Survival. I am told that these quotes no longer appear in the “Basics” edition of SOS. As far as I know all editions previous to the Basics had it. There might have been another edition in the early 2000s.

    A New Slant On Life itself is not an original work but a compilation of quotes from other books.

    • TonyOrtega

      The images I posted in the update come from the 2007 “Basics” edition of SoS. This stuff is still in there.

      • Gene Trujillo

        Thanks. I don’t actually have any “Basics”. I was told that these lines had been taken out but did not verify. I always appreciate clarification.

        Hubbard sure had a strange attitude for someone who supposedly believed in past lives, since theoretically roughly half of his own lives would be female. I would think that he would want anyone of either sex to have full participation in society without regard to their gender.

  • Observer
  • Horatio Hornblower

    What I don’t get is, if we are all eternal thetans who have lived for skillions of years, and our bodies are simply the current shell our body is using, what does it matter whether my thetan is walking around in a male or female body?

    Any acknowledgment of a difference between men and women shoots this whole thing down, does it not? Or do they think there are male and female thetans and male thetans always find male bodies and the same goes for female thetans? And if so, do they think transexuals are simply thetans who passed into the wrong kind of body?

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Hold on… hold on… I know this one…… it’s because it is all inconsistent bullshit, written by a fourth-rate sci-fi hack [con man], who made shit up to string the marks along.[ETA]

      • Kestrel

        By Jove, I think he’s got it!

    • April

      If it wasn’t inconsistent, it wouldn’t be scientology/LRH.

    • Jimmy3

      Inconsistencies in Hubbard’s “research” are simply patched up with more lies, edits, excuses and distractions. The main reason it worked is because even a very dedicated Scientologist isn’t exposed to all of the information at once, and are very convincingly discouraged from doing their own research, so they can handle people on a case by case basis.

      • flyonthewall

        i like you better when you stick with the poop jokes

        • Jimmy3

          I like you because you are a living, breathing poop joke. Poop joke incarnate.

          • pluvo

            Pleeease stop the poop jokes. The smell is permeating with the pixels already through the screen.

            • Jimmy3

              I’m sorry. I’ll knock it off. But check your monitor’s shettings menu, I’m sure there’s a filter diaper option.

          • Fly Lady

            I married him because I love a good poop joke.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I stink at poop jokes :-/

            • Fly Lady

              Just try to relax. You can really hurt yourself if you strain too hard to make a poop joke.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Maybe coffee will help – that usually gets me going.

          • flyonthewall
        • pluvo

          I like Jimmy3 like this, although it startles me for a second and I check if I’ve seen the right avatar.

      • downtherabbithole

        Some nights the brain hurt is simply too much. Even shaking my head is too much!

    • OOkpik

      Somewhere he wrote that you have been both many times over and that homosexuals are hung up in their transition from one to the other. How that squares (oops) with his brutal evaluation and treatment of them is anyone’s guess.

      • pluvo

        I remember now, he was also saying that a thetan lived long cyclic periods being bad and then being good (on the whole track/ = the many lifetimes far back in time) and vice versa. He was really schizophrenic.

    • Ella Raitch

      About transexuals, that’s what Al Bornstein thought, but didn’t work out so well

      Oh – and welcome!

  • April

    Totally Off Topic: I’m happy to report that my earlier pity party/tandrum about getting older has ended.
    Hugged my kids and appreciated the things I’ve accomplished in my life (and hope to accomplish even more!)..and realized that I’m lucky and thankful to still be alive and kicking after all the crazy stuff I’ve been through. Now celebrating with one of my most favorite pop songs of the past 30 years.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljIQo1OHkTI

    • jazzlover

      And a band whose lead singer married “one tough, independent-minded broad” 🙂

      • April

        Holy shit I didn’t know he married Chrissie Hynde!

        • jazzlover

          Yup. She married Jim Kerr after she had the fling with Ray Davies and had his child.

          Anyway, this makes your post “not so off-topic” 🙂

          • Ivan Mapother

            Hey, hey, hey…that’s Sir Ray Davies.

            • jazzlover

              LOL

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          I always liked Chrissie, but she has had some troubling things to say about sexism in the music industry–like, that it’s “a myth.” She doesn’t have the best track record of going to bat for her sisters.

          • Frodis73

            Oh yeah, didn’t she blow off that whole rape thing with with Jackie Fox? Really suspect as so many others had stories. Just cause he didn’t mess with you Chrissie, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

    • jazzlover
    • salin

      Same era – fav song. As a school administrator I had this as my ringtone for several years. I found it humorous (I’m talking to you, come on…) It became my iconic theme song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfdUWOsWJss

      • April

        I like this song too. My my favorite Tears for Fears is their 1993 album Elemental.

        • jazzlover

          They’re getting some heavy re-evaluation these days. Steven Wilson of Porcupine Tree loves them.

      • jazzlover

        Curt Smith made a couple of guest appearances (one singing “Everybody Wants to Rule the World”) on the TV show “Psych” that were freaking hilarious 🙂

      • jazzlover
        • salin

          Hilarious. Some writer remembered Songs from the Big Chair.

          • jazzlover

            Yes. There’s another pretty funny scene where he’s sitting poolside, singing that song, hired by a millionaire just to entertain him. Unfortunately, I can’t find it on You Tube.

      • Rasha

        Songs From the Big Chair is a fav…..

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I was never a huge Tears for Fears fan, but I always loved this song. It seems appropriate for today’s topic, too.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzkK3ZtI9SU

      • lori banister

        Another favorite of mine! Such an ironic sense of humor-well done! Wonder what Roland is doing now. Do Scientologists get to enjoy popular music, or is that considered enthata?

    • Ella Raitch

      If that’s a favourite song you’re in my age bracket and that ain’t old xxx

      • Kestrel

        I’ll say. I have t-shirts from before 1985.

        • Rasha

          I miss the Go-Go’s….

          • Kestrel

            Actually, the t-shirt I’m thinking of is from the Rolling Stones 1981 concert at the Cotton Bowl. The Fabulous Thunderbirds and ZZ Top opened.

            • Rasha

              Yeah, I’m just sayin’…. 🙂 The rest are awesome,too.

    • lori banister

      Great freaking song, great freaking band and a fucking great time! Go, April!

    • Ella Raitch

      Some friends and I met Jim Kerr at the stage door after his concert in Perth in 1985. He touched my cheek. HE TOUCHED MY CHEEK. And called me darlin’

  • Pro tip: When a woman tries to help you, do not send her to the Twin Peaks “resort”.

    • pluvo

      Dodo, you missed something. By helping him (handling the Org Board), she took away one of his ‘reasons’ to be cruel to the staff and satisfy his sadistic inclinations. Remember, The Hole was created because the Org Board was not done (he also didn’t approve the suggestions).
      How he must have enjoyed The Musical Chairs and imprison them, having all the power over them, seeing them suffer, goading them into being cruel against each other

      • Kestrel

        Perhaps a Student Hat course is in order…

      • Harpoona Frittata

        “Sadistic” is the word that I don’t see you used half enough when folks are referring to lil davey the sociopath.

        For those who may not be completely up what on defines sociopathy, the sadistic and violent characteristics that lil dvey displays as if he were a tiny peacock aren’t necessarily required. In fact, a large majority if those who suffer from that serious personality disorder probably aren’t violent at all.

        For ease of reference I call these much rarer violent, sadistic variety, Super SP’s. To have one in a position of absolute power and control at the top of a large organization like $cn is a horror show of all horror shows. And as the walls close in and the ticking clock gets louder, things are just going to get worst for those still-ins before it gets better.

        Time to get out while the gettin’ is still good…and don’t forget to bring the fam with you!

  • downtherabbithole

    So looking forward to tomorrows episode of Aftermath with Tony & Sweeney.

  • salin

    Reminder to recommend today’s issue of the UndergroundBunker. It’s an upvote for the blog post (and updates), and the commenting community discussion. Click the heart just under the comments count.

    A little natural rl space opera (figurative) that was seen in Fair Banks, Alaska – yesterday: http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=132187&PHPSESSID=lsgl11dhsvoeu9f3hpmb76se32

    • Kestrel

      Gorgeous.

      • salin

        Am guessing that since we thawed out up here, today – that you all have warmed up. Is it balmy yet?

        • Kestrel

          It warmed up quickly here. Currently 64F. Forecast for Tuesday: Low – 56F with a high of 74F. Wednesday will be warmer.

          • salin

            Jealous. It could be much worse, as my Nephew in Minneapolis reminded me a few days ago.

            • daisy

              I still complain about the cold , just not with the gusto and expletives I was fond of when living in Winnipeg for 25 years

            • Kestrel

              I was in Calgary one January. One. January. I thought I would never be warm again.

            • daisy

              I complained so much they had a rally at work to send me back home. I took the money and went to Florida

    • Rasha

      Amazing. Like fluid dynamics. Are the fundamental principles the same in electrodynamics? Of course, I would not be surprised to find the Golden Ratio, Fibonacci Series or Pi somewhere in here either. The Universe is stunning in the number of ways it can represent fundamental concepts.

      I kinda like it here….

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      It’s like a lava lamp come to life.

  • Frodis73

    OT but too funny not to share if you don’t follow me on twitter. Hope you can read whole exchange. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e63cc28aee903556b9d6b40215d9437a142e9b0c966ce5115edf68131229ebee.jpg

    • Kestrel

      Oh, my…

    • Rasha

      Love the Syndrome meme…..

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Tell me that’s not real and no one is that fucking stupid.

      • Kestrel

        “That’s not real and no one is that fucking stupid.”

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Thank you for blowing that sunshine for me, Kestrel! I needed it. It’ll stick as long as I never go on the internet again.

      • it might not be really real for realsies, but i have some very concerning news re: the rest of your request …

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Ugh…I know. I feel like Alice these days.

      • Frodis73

        Not on FB, so cannot say. However, somebody was in waiting room at dr office and overheard same type of conversation…there have been other examples of this around. Sad.I do not doubt that ppl are that dumb.

    • beauty for ashes

      To me that’s just sad. I bet he waters his lawn with Brawndo*
      *with electrolytes

    • Liberated

      This is o/t…but are you going to the women’s march on the 21st ?

      • Frodis73

        I am 99.5% sure I am going. Have a free bus ride, just need somebody to check in on my dog for aprox 32 hours or so. Are you?? There are a few of us from here going (not together).

        • Liberated

          I want to so much, but I don’t know how to pull it off.
          I would only go if I could have someone to go with me and I’m here alone in indiana, I would like to take a train but that requires driving to Chicago, so it’s not looking good.
          I have a pet problem too.
          Gloria Steinem will be there, I would love to see her. We’ll see.

          • Frodis73

            OMX, if I would have known I could have gotten you on the bus I am going on from Cleveland at least. Now a wait list and charge. Let me know if you end up going, we can exchange numbers and try to meet up.

        • thetastic

          Ooh, I’ll be there!

          • Frodis73

            Yay! Another one! So far it is me, you, Nora Crest, 5 ft, and poss Liberated going. Good that the Bunker will be well represented.

            • thetastic

              Thanks for the list! I didn’t see the earlier discussions. I’ll be there with my 2 kids. I’m so excited to take them to a protest, I went to one with my mom as a kid and it made a huge impression on me. It’s very empowering.

            • Frodis73

              I went to my first one (a Take Back the Night March) when I was young too. You are right, it does make an impression and it is empowering. I am happy to hear that.
              There has not been much discussion about it on here really. Wish we could all have a mini get together too, but I am coming on a scheduled rented bus so that will be hard.

            • thetastic

              I feel the same. We are meeting local friends, or I would want to meet up as well!

  • TonyOrtega

    Sneak peek tonight at 10 pm just might feature some merchants of chaos.

  • Please donate if you can for CALL ME board, no matter how little: https://www.gofundme.com/stopscientologydisconnection
    $5,060 so far. $9,950 needed. Thank you.

    • Kestrel

      Done. Thank you for the reminder, DodoTheLaser.

      • Thanks Dodo and Kestrel. We’re more than half way there in just 3 days.

      • Thank You, good Sir.

  • studentsfirst

    KFI radio Los Angeles had a great drive time (7:30 am) interview with Leah Remini this morning. The host was Bill Handel. He saw all seven episodes, and expressed his strong support and admiration. Top rated L.A. prime time radio program really pounding scientology. Gotta say it – Tick Tock

    • Intergalactic Walrus
      • Qbird

        thx AGAIN Walrus… boy Leah gets around.
        She’s doin’ a great job of getting this information out there.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Hurricane Leah is Category 5!

      • studentsfirst

        Yep, that’s it. Prime drive time in So. Cal. – Los Angeles, San Diego, and beyond. Bill Handel has a lot of listeners. The info is definitely getting out there. I’m curious what the LA police report will say about Shelly. The pressure is building.

  • Nat-leficent

    Indie Scientologist (at the time — don’t know what she is now) Aida Thomas spreading some goofy “the tech is impure” info on two editions of Science of Survival, back in the day. Posting for entertainment purposes only.
    https://youtu.be/GhzLe4QZAYM

    • beauty for ashes

      So my sister in law asks me, you know a lot about this scientology stuff? (She watched Leah)
      and it’s stuff like this, I go ~ I know too much. SMDH. I can’t find where I leave things but….

  • GrangerFX

    If LRH returned in the body of a girl, would she still get to live in the big house?

    • Liberated

      What I don’t understand is “hasn’t it been long enough?” He’s had more than enough time to reincarnate, and maybe this time he could pick up a toothbrush!

    • thetastic

      Apparently she wouldn’t be allowed to be bothered if a guy like LRH kissed her.

  • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

    Just posted at Oh No Ross & Carrie’s FB page:

    This is amazing. A Scientology insider sent us these song lyrics from a Christmas service at the Celebrity Centre. The festivities also included a solo rendition of Mariah Carey’s “All I Want For Christmas Is To Clear YOUUUUUU”.

    https://www.facebook.com/ONRAC/photos/a.167355810007438.40146.105045406238479/1236022763140732/?type=3&theater

    • Frodis73

      That is just awful.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I think I used that bang-your-head gif a little too early.

        • lori banister

          Could still be an e-meter!

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Even more appropriate in this case!

    • Kestrel

      I just threw up in my mouth a little.

    • Bavarian Rage

      …and now you have your out-of-season sing-a-long songs for HowdyCon. (Though it would be a hot mess – has anyone tried to fit in the syllables of the 2nd and 3rd fake lines to Silent Night? Disaster!) HowdyCon’s Theme Song should be a rousing karaoke version of Neurotology!

      • PickAnotherID

        Ooh we, ooh we, we believe…

    • chukicita

      Holy infant? Don’t they mean holy implant?

      And Up The Bridge… such poetic artistry in the lyric “you will feel so totally free now”
      especially when the entire rest of the song is a call to action that requires opening new lines of credit for most people.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        “Holy infant? Don’t they mean holy implant?”

        Brilliant!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yeah, you’ll feel totally free from having to buy holiday presents for your family – because the CO$ made you disconnect from them all!

        • Bavarian Rage

          …not to mention they’ve drained your bank accts, got you to sign a second mortgage on your house, so there’d be no $$$ for presents even if you had some one to give them to.

    • thetastic

      That is so goddamned funny!

    • Observer

      oh dear Xenu 💩

    • MarcabExpat

      Total Disbelief and Amazement.

      I really thought I couldn’t say that any more about anything Cherch-related, but that was before I knew of the existence of Scilon Night and Deck the Bridge. Holy shit.

      Welp, at least this time it made me laugh rather than cry.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        “Welp, at least this time it made me laugh rather than cry.”

        Seriously. Thank heavens for small mercies, right?

    • PickAnotherID

      Scam, scam, scam…Even scamming with Christmas carols, leaving the original 1st verse of ‘Silent Night’ to make people think they’re some kind of Christians, then sliding right into $cilon “We have the answers” mode. Scam.
      http://new2.fjcdn.com/gifs/Mega+facepalm+gif+for+your+reaction+folder+needs_c266b1_3384407.gif

    • dungeon master

      Earworm Warning, please!

    • madame duran

      Piece of shite.

  • daisy

    I think I have potential as a sci- I have been pretending roasted cauliflower is popcorn with a tub full of butter for 9 days now. It doesn*t but I lie to my mother that I am loving it.

    • Rasha

      wait…. there’s a difference?

    • Liberated

      I’ve decided to exercise my female creativity…..if I have a Tupperware party will you come?

      • daisy

        They still make tupperware ? I will be there . I haven*t peel a proper orange since the 70*s

        • Liberated

          I’m breaking the rules…I’m serving booze!

          • Phoebequeen

            Oooh, count me in. I just love hearing things burp!

        • Sine qua non

          Tupperware. There is no substitute.

    • dungeon master

      Reminds me of the time, when I was a teen, my grandmother made meatloaf out of liver somehow. Took a LOT of catsup to eat that, but I felt it would be rude to not eat it..

  • Frodis73

    Attn Tony: I am sorry but I did not see you ask this of me earlier (POS system). Try this re Gem and context-

    ETA_For those wondering, she just keeps repeating this. Even though I told her I did read the book, a very long time ago, and it stuck out to me then. She is broken record. My guess is she is afraid to give her interpretation w/out permission from church. NO way to justify this BS imo.

    https://twitter.com/gemthetwit/status/818509955846275073

    • beauty for ashes

      ooooh froooyoooo!!!!! what are you gonna say next? Or do you think she should know her own religion?

    • salin

      Gemma – what context would it make sense for a seven year old girl, to respond to an adult males full throat, sexual kiss? Or how would you rewrite LRon’s writing so it doesn’t literally imply that a child (age 3? age 5? age 7? age 14?) would be *wrong* (Scientology terms : Out Ethics) for not accepting/responding to a sexual (not familial) kiss from an adult male?

      • lori banister

        Well, clearly it’s 14. The same age Amy Scobee “seduced” her boss. Stupid asses. (Scamos; not you guys. Unclear on sarcasm rules here.) But seriously! They keep trying to have it borh ways.

        • Frodis73

          Oh no, LRH wrote that a 7 yr old should be A okay with it…and if she is not okay with it something is wrong with *her*. He is such a sicko and so is Gem the twit for defending it.

    • Captain MustSavage

      I thought the creed of ‘verbal tech’ meant scilons couldn’t put context around Laffys scribblings. A high crime etc.

  • Tony Ortega

    Here comes a five-minute thing on behind the scenes. Then the sneak peek.

  • Tony Ortega

    No, I was wrong! It’s the Brandon Reisdorf story they’re previewing tonight.

    • Tony Ortega

      It’s an excellent story. You will be seething by the end of the full thing tomorrow.

      • Based on what Lois posted so far, I totally see it. http://www.mikerindersblog.org/lois-reisdorf-part-5-1978/

      • PickAnotherID
      • HTC

        Already seething after the preview tonight

      • JJ

        It is interesting the tag people have been using for a while now, tick tock. I think the ticking has stopped and the bells are about to toll on Scientology, Like the sea change for the better they had when they “Won The War!” (with the IRS) and the unhinge that came with the dawn of the internet, Scientology today is facing it’s worst PR nightmare that can not be woken up from. The constant negative press, the ex-parishioners coming forward, the work of people on the outside seeking answers about missing loved ones and the increase world wide scrutiny of the organizations questionable practices are going to be too much in the end.
        I don’t expect and mass defection or a door slamming, ORG closing, higher ups going to do prison time Gotterdammerung, but as it continues to bleed members, offend and attack outsiders, and see former devotes laying bare all the messy, unethical, irreligious practices of L. Ron Hubbard’s Great Society of The Mind Church I can’t but think it is simply going to go the way of every other “movement made solid”. In fighting, hemorrhaging funds, fracturing and splinter groups, inside scandals made public, public turning on, or turning away until there is maybe just a tiny core of people left in the original organization, and it just ceases to be viable.
        I think that bell is ringing, eleven more to go…?
        Gotterdammerung maybe literal here, as the goal of Scientology was to make man his own god yes? And Lord it (clear the planet) over the monkeys? Dong, Dong, Dong…

      • TexasBroad

        Oh no.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Confused. Tuned in late and only saw the piece with you, Mark and John, which looks great. Is the Reisdorf piece part of the same episode?

    • Ella Raitch

      My face yesterday when I realised I’d scheduled a meeting during the liveblog
      https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4K_LAgnqqdE/maxresdefault.jpg

  • iampissed

    To you all….I’ve hugged my son, my mother. My wife willl be home tomorrow

  • JJ

    You know, I really just don’t think I can handle that level of Freedom….Seriously….

  • littlefish

    Kansas City also has one of the best art scenes in the country. Plus it’s the home (for now) of Hooligan Holiday … a 3 day celebration of ska, oi, two tone, and all things traditional skinhead.

  • Goodnight Bunker.

  • I hope we hear from Twin Peaks PD tomorrow too.

  • iampissed
    • PerpetualOutflow

      Now that I know the story behind this song, I can’t listen to it anymore. Too painful.

      • iampissed

        Yes it is

    • daisy

      I love this song, i actually learned the words instead of singing what I damn well pleased. The story is what makes it beautiful.

      • iampissed

        Always sing what ya dam well please…..please

      • ReallyMGM

        It’s a tear jerker. He sang it at the concert I saw in the late 90s or early 2000s one I saw, but doesn’t do it anymore. The last one I saw he at (in April 2015), he did mostly Delta blues and J. J. Cale (who he was releasing an album out in his memory). Tickets had flown off the TM site the first day and were sold out, however, I checked back the morning of the show and bought two tickets at face value in a great location (sitting with local industry people/and the band’s family). ALWAYS check back for tickets, even if they are sold out. Glad I saw that show since Eric is having health problems that might affect his ability to tour in the future.

        I still like Layla the best though. And oh what a story there is behind that song. A “Lifetime” movie could be made out of it.

        I would like to point out his opening act was a young woman named ZZ Ward who despite her young age and good looks, should not be stereotyped. She is an incredible blues/soul performer. I don’t think Eric would have had her opening his act if she wasn’t….

        • daisy

          His guitar skills are amazing. I love Layla too. I will have to look up the story tomorrow.

          • ReallyMGM

            Layla was Olivia. It was written for Olivia Harrison, the wife of George Harrison with whom he was in love with at the time. I can’t remember if they ever married, but they didn’t stay together.

    • gtsix

      Eric Clapton, on stage, 1976:
      Do we have any foreigners in the audience tonight? If so, please put up your hands. Wogs I mean, I’m looking at you. Where are you? I’m sorry but some fucking wog…Arab grabbed my wife’s bum, you know? Surely got to be said, yeah this is what all the fucking foreigners and wogs over here are like, just disgusting, that’s just the truth, yeah. So where are you? Well wherever you all are, I think you should all just leave. Not just leave the hall, leave our country. You fucking (indecipherable). I don’t want you here, in the room or in my country. Listen to me, man! I think we should vote for Enoch Powell. Enoch’s our man. I think Enoch’s right, I think we should send them all back. Stop Britain from becoming a black colony. Get the foreigners out. Get the wogs out. Get the coons out. Keep Britain white. I used to be into dope, now I’m into racism. It’s much heavier, man. Fucking wogs, man. Fucking Saudis taking over London. Bastard wogs. Britain is becoming overcrowded and Enoch will stop it and send them all back. The black wogs and coons and Arabs and fucking Jamaicans and fucking (indecipherable) don’t belong here, we don’t want them here. This is England, this is a white country, we don’t want any black wogs and coons living here. We need to make clear to them they are not welcome. England is for white people, man. We are a white country. I don’t want fucking wogs living next to me with their standards. This is Great Britain, a white country, what is happening to us, for fuck’s sake? We need to vote for Enoch Powell, he’s a great man, speaking truth. Vote for Enoch, he’s our man, he’s on our side, he’ll look after us. I want all of you here to vote for Enoch, support him, he’s on our side. Enoch for Prime Minister! Throw the wogs out! Keep Britain white!

  • daisy

    ooo

    • Carla Graham

      Go to a Chinese herb shop and get some cold and TCM flu tablets. Your cold will be history.

      • daisy

        LOL Maybe the local Chinese buffet can help, no so shop exists in my burg. We did however just get botox in the local spa, I am considering.

        • Carla Graham

          It’s worth a trip to your nearest city with a Chinatown or a real ethnic area. I always keep a couple bottles on hand just in case as it’s best to take them at the first sign of something. Or try online for chinese herbs. I don’t know if I can share links here.

        • FredEX2

          daisy,
          ~you poor thing if you have the flu. I just lived thru it. Thought for certain I would die at any minute. Never been so sick. Day 3 & 4 were worst. My remedy is not very creative but got me thru…~Advil around the clock. Benadryl, 2 types antibiotics ( had to go to urgent care coz got bronchitis as well ) …water, water, water…tea tea tea tea…Mucinex ( sparingly coz it’ll suck the very moisture right outta your whole body ) Stay in bed for a whole week…take steamy showers and use those lotion infused Kleenex or your little nose will be sore. Sleep. Lots of sleep. Whine and complaining allowed…it’s a really miserable flu…Oh, and chicken soup really helps. For sore throat & cough, those Halls sugar free menthol cough drops in the blue pkg help a lot. By day 5 you will start to feel slightly better, …stay away from sugar…By day 7 you will be even better…this one takes at least 7-10 days. I still have a slight cough and it’s been over 2 weeks. Stay warm. Get better 🙂

          • daisy

            Oh Fred I am so embarrassed , I just have a runny nose. I have flu potential though I had to take Mom to the Dr. and went to my Dr. today. Those waiting rooms are petrie dishes. I am lucky enough to rarely get sick so I am a big sucky baby when anything is slightly wrong .( I have a plethora of mental illness , so I don*t feel too guilty.

            • FredEX2

              What a relief you don’t have it. Stay well daisy girl! 😘

    • Qbird

      Comtrex works for me. Also Alka-Seltzer Plus. for the runny nose.

      and tissues stuffed up your nose. 🙂

      • MaxLuvsDaBunk

        Cotton balls….up the nostrils…much less abrasive. And blow with toilet paper or cotton hankies rather than tissues.

        • Qbird

          Morning’ Max. Cotton balls… never thought of that. cool.
          Why TP instead of tissues?

  • OTD:OutTheDoor

    Who wants to join me on a park bench for a chat? It’s lovely outside, really. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4ef53499ff4af23bdee37da9bfb47cfe47cfd7b5a347553e8f123448acc0f232.jpg Ok, never mind.

    • BunchOfFives

      Would swap with you. Right now I’m lying in front of the fan, sweating. They’re saying it could get up to 47c/116f this week. #straya

  • Good night, Bunker. Stay kind.

    TESTAMENT – Return To Serenity
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJKi8LQgixc

  • Tony Ortega
    • Helen Van Patterson Patton

      SPness must make you more handsome. Just look at these two!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Beards I/C

    • daisy

      First smile today. How cute are they ? Fly your face matches your personality perfectly.

    • iampissed

      What ya doing with Fly..you will get the Lego bug.

    • Rasha

      Nuh-uh! Tony said we could jump on the so–

      …aw, crap.

    • Joe

      Tony, if this is your way of saying you’re starting a death metal band. . .I’m in.

      • Newiga

        LOL! Ditto!

    • John Prince

      Who’s that scary-looking guy next to the good natured Jihad Warrior?

      • John Prince

        ..oh , sorry Master O, I didn’t recognize You without your hooded Cloak. .
        {please don’t declare my SuperPowers away 😱}

    • Newiga

      Fly, your beard is awesome! Beards, FTW!!!!!

    • BunchOfFives

      Wait, that’s Fly from here? Well hello there!

    • $cnMonkeyNut$
    • Fly Lady

      I know that guy!!

      • iampissed

        How odd.

  • Libertylover

    I just saw this. In 1958, a Western TV show had a Trump problem. F5
    Actual dialog,
    “Narrator: Hoby had checked the town. The people were ready to believe. Like sheep they ran to the slaughterhouse. And waiting for them was the high priest of fraud.

    Trump: I am the only one. Trust me. I can build a wall around your homes that nothing can penetrate.

    Townperson: What do we do? How can we save ourselves?

    Trump: You ask how do you build that wall. You ask, and I’m here to tell you.

    The Walter Trump character was arrested for “stealing” at the end of the episode.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs6UcgiDwg0

  • Joe

    The amazing thing about Leah’s show is that despite the heartbreaking, intense content of each episode, it’s very easy to watch it over and over again.

    • daisy

      I have to mute the DM stuff , His up-down emphasis on every stupid word sets my teeth on edge worse than nails on a chalk board. I hate him more today than usual. I didn*t know that was possible.

      • Joe

        Yeah, he has what doctors call a “very punchable face”

        • daisy

          My dog howls every time she hears his pretty voice. I feel bad for her big ears.

  • daisy

    Claire- She is the favorite among my friends.

  • Dave In Ajax

    i can’t believe how much this is being played on A&E in canada, maybe the same in the USA, it reminds me of when A&E was the criminal minds channel here in canada 🙂

    i noticed tomorrows episode is the last one and they haven’t even scratched the surface….this could be a five year tv series with weekly episodes, it seems to me unfinished business. i hope A&E picks this up for a ton more episodes as the ratings seem to suggest this. All they need is Tony Ortegas library of history of this offensive corporate greed to continue.

    This series need to go on 🙂

    • Tony Ortega

      Two more special episodes are coming on January 17 and January 24 or 31.

    • Sine qua non

      Agreed, natch.

      Also, since when did 8 episodes (not including the special episodes added because people can’t get enough of Leah, Mike and company) come to comprise a “season” of a show? Back in the day, when I was a whoppernapper, a season was like 40 episodes, or the whole year except summer, which was for reruns. Two months is not a season! .

      Well, times, and attention spans, have changed. All I can say is, 8 weeks is not enough to scratch the surface of Scientology’s secrets. Bring on seasons 2, 3, 4…..ASAP. . There’ certainly plenty of material out there to cover. As the show is a mega hit, hopefully that will happen.

      • TrishRan

        Actually a “season” of as few as 8 shows is not that unusual on cable.

        But I noticed on my Dish channel guide that the episodes were not consecutively numbered 1-8. It went more like 1, 2, 8, 4 10, 3, 6, and the As Me Anything episode had no number at all.

  • Anyone else getting Google ads?

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Yup.

      • Doesn’t bother me that much. Just glad its not some malware.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          The way it’s positioned, it doesn’t bother me at all.

          • Is this new?

            • Nat-leficent

              Yes. I just noticed them yesterday.

            • Can we still swear like a motherfucker?

            • Nat-leficent

              I fucking hope so.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I fucking <3 AdBlock.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I think I’ve seen them before, some time ago, but they disappeared again.

            • Well, there was some issue with Google and swearing or something, so Tony did without them.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              I remember now, yes. Funny you should mention it – Fly replied to one of my comments earlier, and when I tried to reply to him, it said the comment was removed by a moderator. Wonder if Scott has had to put up a filter for certain words..?

            • uh-oh

            • Someone should give us a heads-up if that’s the case.

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Only when my adblocker isn’t working 🙂 ETA: No

  • Staci

    Can someone explain to me the thought process that happens when you read a passage like this as a woman in the CoS who holds an important position? How is that resolved in your head? My assumption would be that you must pick and choose which teachings apply to you but resolving that while still believing LRH is the ultimate source seems extremely difficult.

    Are most women who are public members encouraged to be stay at home moms? Are Sea Org members exempt from this as it seems to imply that women must be used for breeding and keeping the home or else our society will collapse?

    Eek, lots of questions, but maybe someone has a few minutes to answer 🙂

  • ThetanPlace

    Well this is ONE way to get me to try to buy an LRH book. I’m searching for a used copy of the 1965 edition. I cant tell whether any of these are actually from 1965 or if they’re just using the original publication date. They’re all cheap enough that I’d spring for one. I’ve written to a couple of the sellers on this Amazon page. WonderBook and HollandsBooks — if anyone wants to contact the others.) [There’s one at the bottom who is selling a copy for an outstanding figure.]

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0007IWMVA/ref=tmm_pap_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=&sr=

  • mandymarie20

    It doesn’t even make sense logically. How would a thetan or soul even know to attach to a boy or girl unless all trapped aliens had both boy and girl sexes and boy thetans only attached to boys and girl thetans attached to girls? That sounds unnecessarily complicated. To make Hubbard’s system work, there would have to be total equality. Besides, I thought the whole point of this ‘religion’ was to erase human constructs such as the roles of the sexes and replace them with Scientology. Otherwise they couldn’t justify breaking up families.

  • MaxLuvsDaBunk

    ha ha i just tested to see if we can post freely in previous day’s post …… looks like can’t even say the word pron <—switch the o and r …. and/or cruses <—-switch the ru and u

  • Jenny from the Flock

    God the power of the internet! I found this site 6 years ago, a late-comer by then, who’d read through Tony’s daily blogs and the litany of comments afraid to comment for fear that some creepy Scientology PI would come furrowing through my garbage etc. But now I have an internet account where I happily address the creeps themselves, partly from assurance from you folk and partly because I know legions of new people won’t let the old way of doing things for the CO$ slide. Sorry Miscavige, but your boat is swiftly sinking.

  • ThetanPlace

    So, one of the Amazon re-sellers got back to me and confirmed that they’re selling the 1965 copy — he checked the Table of Contents for the missing chapters mentioned here — so I bought one for eight bucks.

  • PeaceMaker

    I was thinking about a related topic, and something occurred to me that I’m not sure has been noted here.

    One consideration that now seems obviously missing in Scientology, is any accommodation for the impacts of physical differences between individuals, including brain structure and chemistry, and what effect they might have on life and life experiences. And yet here, you have Hubbard writing as if there is something fundamentally different between men and woman that rises to the level of treating them completely different. You would think that he would have prescribed different procedures (like auditing questions), and mandated different roles for them in his organizations.

    Particularly with modern advances in the sciences relating to the brain and behavior, the impacts of physiology are increasingly obvious. Even if from humanistic and philosophical perspectives it may be considered ideal to focus on rising above physical differences and physiology as much as possible, we increasingly recognize that they have to be taken into account and that one-size-fits-all approaches fall short.

    Also, Scientology’s organizations and particularly the Sea Org obviously began to treat men and women as largely interchangeable, or “on an equal footing” as Hubbard put it when he wanted to deride anything but old-fashioned roles. That’s probably due mostly to their overriding impetus to get work done at any cost.

    I suspect that Hubbard’s view on women evolved over time, at least to something less blatantly patronizing, but he wasn’t much of one to go back and revise earlier pronouncements, much less admit mistakes.

    It’s also interesting to note how he seems to be trying to position himself here as sort of the fireside philosopher speaking to the values of the 1950s.

  • Noallball

    Of course I’m quite sure someone else brought up this very thing. ..if l ron hubbard never had a daughter with Sara Northrop to whom is the 1951 first edition dedicated? I could swear it says Alexis Hubbard. But no…I’m probably hallucinating.