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How Liz Gale came to disconnect from her own mother, Scientology style

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“Today I cut ties with my mother, the most dedicated Scientologist I know.”

That’s how Liz Gale opened an essay published last month at former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder’s website.

We found it startling for a couple of reasons. Not only for the circumstances of an ex-Scientologist disconnecting from her Scientologist mother rather than the other way around, but also because we had met Liz Gale and knew something of her family’s complicated and tragic background.

Liz’s older brother Philip Gale was a child prodigy, a gifted computer wizard who in 1998 threw himself from the 15th floor of a building at MIT at 19 years old. Our friend and former colleague, Los Angeles journalist Mark Ebner, wrote a brilliant examination Philip Gale’s remarkable life and perplexing death for the newspaper we both worked for, New Times Los Angeles, in 1999. That newspaper went out of business in 2002 and its archives disappeared from the Internet, but Ebner’s story was resurrected by Gawker, which published it in 2008.

Philip, like his sister Liz, had been raised in Scientology by his parents, but he had pushed away from it as he struggled with his emotions at MIT. And nearly twenty years after Gale stepped out that window, there is still a fascination for what motivated such a talented and likable young man to kill himself, and to do it on March 13 — Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard’s birthday.

Last year, on our book tour’s stop in Portland, Oregon, Liz Gale introduced herself to us. We told her then that we wanted to hear her own story, which has been so overshadowed by her brother’s. And her essay at Rinder’s website reminded us that she’d been through her own struggle.

It is very different from her brother Philip’s.

Liz, 34, is a third-generation Scientologist. Her grandmother became a Hubbard follower, and raised her children in it, including her youngest, Liz’s mother Marie, who started in Scientology at 12.

By the time she was a teenager, Marie was working on staff at the Hawaii org. She spent a couple of stints in Scientology’s “Sea Org,” which took her to Los Angeles. She was also married twice, despite her very young age, Liz says. And it was in L.A. that Marie met her third husband, a Scientologist named David Gale.

They were married in May 1978, and six months later they had Philip. They moved to New Hampshire three years later, where David had started a software company. In 1982, just after her brother had turned four, Liz was born. Four years after that, the family moved to Clearwater, Florida, the location of Scientology’s spiritual mecca, the “Flag Land Base.”

“I was a Flag brat,” Liz says about living in Clearwater from ages four to eight. “My mom was always on services, and dad was working. My brother was in boarding school. So I hung out at the pool at the Sandcastle.”

She remembers a 16-year-old Sea Org worker, baking in her polyester suit in the Florida sun, exploding at Liz and the other young children who were left to their own devices at the pool while their parents were busy with Scientology courses. “We’re not babysitters!” the teenage church executive screamed.

“My mom was for the most part a professional Scientologist. She went to OT 8 on the Bridge, my dad was OT 5. She worked with WISE, CCHR, and I think maybe OSA as well,” she says, referring to Scientology’s business front the World Institute of Scientology Enterprises, the anti-psychiatry front Citizens Commission for Human Rights, and Scientology’s intelligence corps, the Office of Special Affairs.

Her mother also spent a lot of time on Scientology’s cruise ship the Freewinds, and was otherwise away taking courses. “I remember talking to her on the satellite phone when she was on the ship, with the huge delay. I remember being upset quite a lot. She would say she’d come home in two weeks, and it would turn into two months.”

When she was eight years old, Liz was sent to the expensive Scientology boarding school The Delphian in Oregon, while her parents moved to Utah. Her brother Philip had been at the school for several years already and was considered a prodigy. But her parents struggled to pay for two children at the school, and Liz came home to her parents in Utah without finishing the school year. After her brother finished at Delphian at only 14 and headed to MIT, Liz went back and was at Delphian from 10 to 12 years old.

“Then I was kicked out. I was a troublemaker. I got a lot of attention for being crazy,” she says. “I had boobs by then, and braces. And I got into more trouble. I did a lot of real petty stuff. Stealing change and candy. And I kissed a boy. At 12 I really had no parents. I looked older than my age, and I had money to spend. I was just being bad.”

Liz says she was given an ultimatum: Go to Flag and take some courses, and you can come back to The Delphian. So she spent four months in 1995 back in Clearwater, and was back to being a Flag brat.

“I ended up living with a 20-something hairdresser. They put me through the sec check for children,” she says, referring to Scientology’s interrogation designed by L. Ron Hubbard for kids. “I’d been through it at eight, and now I was 12.”

While Liz was hanging around the Flag Land Base, her parents were living in North Carolina, and her father was working for IBM. And then in October 1995, after a fishing trip, David Gale had a heart attack and died. He was only 47.

Liz was sent once again to school in Oregon. And once again, she was a holy terror. “They let me get away with a lot. I think in part because my brother had been their star student.”

After graduating from The Delphian at 14, Philip Gale had entered MIT, but then gave it up because Sky Dayton, a Scientologist who had founded Earthlink, had offered Philip a lucrative job.

“He was emancipated then. And I think it had as much to do with taxes than anything else. He was making a lot of money,” Liz says.

Back at The Delphian, meanwhile, Liz had once again caused too much trouble. “They advanced me up to the ethics officer for the staff,” she says, meaning that she was such a handful, she was assigned to the officer who disciplined the teachers. “And then every Friday I was supposed to go in and write my O/W’s up. So I would do what I wanted to all week as long as I confessed it at the end of the week.”

She said it was ridiculous. Finally she was asked, “Do you really want to be here?” No, she said.

“I got kicked out again at 14.”

When her mother asked Liz what she wanted to do, Liz said she wanted to be an actress. So they moved to Los Angeles.

“We were in Los Feliz, and I was in high school. I’d have school until noon, and then I’d have classes at the Celebrity Centre,” she says. Then they moved up to Sunland, north of the city, and she’d ride into town with a woman who was boarding with them to help with the rent. A couple also lived in the house to help pay the bills.

“I didn’t do very well as an actress. But I was temporarily represented by Patrick Renna’s mom,” she says, referring to The Sandlot actor, who is a Scientologist.

Not long after they moved to Sunland, Marie went to Flag, and Liz chased off the three boarders. That left her living alone in the house, until her boyfriend moved in.

“I stopped going to school, I stopped taking Scientology courses. I was living with a 19-year-old guy and I’d discovered marijuana.”

Then her mother returned from Flag. Marie had promised the couple who were boarding at the house (and that Liz had chased off) that they could use the house to get married, and so the event was planned for August 31, 1997.

That was the day Princess Diana died in Paris, Liz remembers. As the house began to fill up for the wedding, Liz drank heavily. And while her boyfriend was picking someone up at the airport, Liz made out with another guy.

Confused, drunk, and feeling disgusted with herself, Liz took a handful of Tylenol capsules. She woke up in the hospital, having survived the overdose.

She was still a couple of months short of her 15th birthday.

One of the things adding to her state of mind that awful day was the heavy pressure she was under from Scientology recruiters. They had convinced her to sign the Sea Org’s billion-year contract, and when she turned 16, she would be joining the corps, working around the clock for pennies an hour and cut off from family and friends. “When I overdosed, it wasn’t just my boyfriend. Everything was looming,” she says.

With her daughter in crisis, Marie Gale tried to regroup. First, they got Liz the equivalent of a high school diploma. They went to a place called Dennison Academy, where Scientologists who wanted to join the Sea Org could get a diploma in only a day.

“I took a one-day test. And then they printed out a diploma.” She says it was obviously a bogus operation, but it seemed like the thing to do as her mother was trying to get them in a better place.

“Her solution was to get us out of LA and up to Oregon. We had this plan,” she says.

The plan involved a timber farm that Marie’s family owned in southern Oregon. The parcel had three houses on it, and Marie took Liz to live with her in one of them. “My boyfriend moved up with us, and the couple we knew in Sunland. But they soon left us, and then so did my boyfriend.”

Liz was living alone with her mother, but there was other family around on the farm, and friends. One day in March 1998, Liz was out with some friends four-wheeling in the forest when another rig caught up with them and flagged them down.

“The guy in the other car said, ‘You have to go home right now, there’s bad news.’ But he wouldn’t tell me what it was. He did say something to the guy driving our car, and I bugged him about it until he said, ‘I’m not supposed to tell you this, but your brother is dead’.”

After working for Earthlink for a year, Philip Gale had returned to MIT, but as Ebner found by speaking to many people who knew the young computer genius, Philip struggled with the ordinary world. He was drinking and smoking pot heavily and dealing with a potent brew of emotions after the sudden death of his father and other torments.

On the evening of March 13, Philip Gale went to a classroom on the 15th floor of MIT’s tallest structure, the Earth, Atmospheric & Planetary Sciences building. He put on a digital recorder as he went to the blackboard. “In his bold hand, he wrote out Newton’s famous equation for how an object accelerates as it falls. Next to it he sketched a stick figure of a man throwing a chair and signed his work, ‘Phil was here’,” Ebner wrote in his masterful examination.

After writing the equation on the blackboard, Philip threw a wooden chair through a plate-glass window before throwing himself out of it.

Back at Philip’s dorm room, campus security found a note.

Presumably I have jumped from a tall building. Yes, it is odd. To tell you why would be to tell you my mind! I cannot do this. I am not crazy, albeit driven to suicide. It is not about any single event, or person. It is about stubborn sadness, and a detached view of the world. I see my life — so much dreary, mundane, wasted time wishing upon unattainable goals — and I feel little attachment to the future. But it is not so bad, relatively. I exaggerate. In the end, it is that I am unwilling (sick of living) to live in mediocrity. And this is what I have chosen to do about it. The saddest part is the inevitable guilt and sorrow I will force on my family and friends. But there is not much I can say. I am sorry. Try to understand that this is about me and my ‘fuked up ideas.’ It is not because I was raised poorly or not cared for enough. It just is. Please give my $ to my family and my gizmos to people who will use them. — and no fuking suing! I am scared of the fall. I am scared of the impact. But when it is through, it will be through. take care world, Philip. And stay happy!

Liz remembers her mother flying to Boston right away, and then she came later to attend the funeral. But it was years before she could bring herself to read the note her brother had left behind.

“I shut myself off a lot. And it was weird. I didn’t read much of what was going on, but I knew my mom was being attacked. It was horrible.”

At the time, Marie Gale had become a national spokeswoman for CCHR, the Scientology front that attacks psychiatry.

“Mom said Scientology was great. And she believed it.” But now, Marie was suddenly a liability, with her son committing suicide by throwing himself out a window at MIT on March 13 — L. Ron Hubbard’s birthday.

“She was erased from CCHR’s websites by April,” Liz says.

Online speculation about the role Scientology had played in Philip’s death was rampant, Ebner writes. It turned out that just a week before Philip killed himself, the Boston Herald published a series of critical articles about the church, and Philip had spoken to the author for it. He wasn’t named, but a reference to Philip is made in one of the pieces.

Marie Gale herself suggested, in an online posting, that Philip’s involvement in the article may have contributed to his state of mind. “I can only assume that there was some connection between this newsgroup (or the individuals on it) and that reporter contacting him,” she wrote on a Usenet group that was critical of Scientology. “The interview was upsetting to him. That was the last time I talked to my son.”

But critics were quick to point out that Philip’s upbringing in Scientology might have prevented him from getting help when he needed it — Scientology demonizes psychiatry, particularly through CCHR, the front group his mother had worked for.

Her father and brother dead, her mother still dedicated to Scientology and its front groups despite being erased from its websites, Liz had to figure out things on her own.

But gradually, she got her life in order. She began to take classes at a community college in Eugene, and then got a bachelors degree at Portland State University. In the meantime, at 19 she joined staff at the Scientology org in Portland. “I made it six months. I lived with a Scientology family, and mom gave me money. I was a PES, a public executive secretary. I wasn’t very good at it. My main job was going over the results of personality tests with people. It sucked because you were always telling people they were fucked up.”

She also received auditing during this time, but it always ended up turning into an interrogation.

“I would confess to everything. It took hours and hours, and it’s not cheap,” she says.

Even after routing off of staff, she continued to go back to the org from time to time. But gradually, she moved away from Scientology.

In 2004, Liz met a neighbor named Justin, and they began dating. Twelve years later, they’re still together and they have two young sons. She says Justin tried to understand what her family had been through with Scientology. But some of it was difficult to assimilate, like when Marie shushed him when he said something to Liz as their first child was being born. He didn’t understand why everyone had to keep quiet during a Scientology “silent birth.” He also didn’t appreciate it when Marie announced that their newborn would be a fourth-generation Scientologist, and had to be raised in the church. (Liz and Justin have not subjected their two sons to Scientology.)

Over time, the strain between Liz and her mother over Scientology began to push them farther apart.

After a 2005 South Park episode revealed the confidential teachings from Scientology’s upper levels, Liz asked her mother about it. “Is this what’s on OT 3, mom? I asked her. ‘I can neither confirm nor deny it,’ she said, just like that. I think that was one of the times when I started to wonder what was going on,” she says. And she remembered thinking that it was ridiculous for her mother not to own up to what was in OT 3. “You know I can Google it, right?” she thought.

Five years ago, Liz and Justin left Portland and moved to the family timber farm. They moved into one of the houses, and became neighbors to Marie and her husband, Jere Matlock, who is also a longtime Scientologist — he had been on the yacht Apollo with L. Ron Hubbard and was involved in Scientology’s controversial Guardian’s Office.

“He was a webmaster, and he ran Narconon sites,” Liz says, referring to the websites that refer potential customers to Scientology’s drug rehab network, Narconon.

Taking advantage of the changing laws in Oregon, Liz and Justin began farming marijuana at the family parcel. And that didn’t go over well with Marie and her husband, Liz says.

Liz adds that she was also reading the Underground Bunker, and at one point she brought up with her mother and stepfather the numerous lawsuits that had been filed against Narconon that we’ve reported on here.

“They weren’t thrilled. I tried to talk to my mom about a lot of stuff. And she was pretty receptive at first, but at some point she said she thought Scientology did more good than bad.”

Liz learned that after she’d walked away from the church, one of her former Scientology friends wrote her up in what’s known as a “Knowledge Report.” Scientology is a snitching culture, and one of her friends dropped a dime on her. She found out that the church declared her “PTS Types B, H, and J.” That meant the church considered her a “potential trouble source,” one step below outright excommunication and being declared a “suppressive person.”

According to the church’s own literature, PTS Type B indicates that Scientology considers Liz a “criminal” and “therefore should not be accepted for processing.”

Type H indicated that she had an open mind, and therefore “a lack of ability to decide about things and…seldom found to be very responsible.” And Type J said about her that she was a person “attempting to sit in judgment on Scientology.”

As tensions rose with her mother about their differences over Scientology, the farm was also an issue. Liz says raising marijuana became a major issue for her stepfather because of his work for Narconon. “My mom and stepdad were upset that we were doing medical marijuana and that the others in family were allowing it. So one day they got in an RV and left. And they’ve been traveling all over since then.”

On August 11, 2015, Marie and Jere drove away in a 36-foot 1987 Beaver Marquis, and Marie has kept a blog about their travels, which took them from Oregon to Florida, up to Maine, and then back south, to Georgia.

Marie also maintains her own website, which contains this statement: “I’m always willing to talk to someone about Scientology, so please feel free to contact me if you have questions about Scientology.” We emailed her at the address given, but we have received no response.

Liz says her mother promised to send a letter, explaining how she felt about things and why she had left. But months went by and she heard nothing.

“I feel for her, but I also don’t want to be wrapped up in it. There she is, traveling around with her hardcore Scientology husband, and they think my husband is a suppressive,” Liz says. Because of Liz’s association with her husband and his marijuana farm, her mother and stepfather can’t get additional processing at Scientology’s Flag Land Base. And that’s part of what has poisoned their relationship, Liz says. It has eaten away at her, that her mother blames her daughter for her Scientology career being held down.

One of the last things her mother said to her, Liz says, was “You are picking your guy and I’m picking mine,” referring to their husbands. Liz took offense, feeling that her mother had not tried to understand Justin. But over time, she began to think maybe her mother was right. Marie had chosen Jere and Scientology. Liz had chosen Justin and their two sons.

In June, tired of waiting for the letter her mother promised, Liz sent one herself.

She told her mother that their relationship was over. She was, in Scientology parlance, disconnecting.

Last month, Liz made her decision public in the essay at Mike Rinder’s website.

It has taken me almost ten years to get financially stable, emotionally ready and spiritually strong enough to come out from “under the radar.” I have come to the conclusion that the practices of the Church of Scientology, and its fundamental belief system, are corrupt in their very core. L Ron Hubbard did not have the answer to personal relationships, how to solve drugs, crime or war. He did learn a lot of about hypnotism and mind control, which I believe he used to make money from unsuspecting followers…

So today I say goodbye to the spiritual extortion. I say goodbye to threats, to silencing, to censoring and to ruling with fear. I don’t blame my mother for these things, but she is still playing the Scientology game and I want out.

We told Liz that the Church of Scientology claims that it does not force disconnection to separate families, even though there’s plenty of evidence that it does. But we told her it wouldn’t surprise us if Scientology referred to Liz’s situation to say that it was ex-Scientologists who did the disconnecting.

But she was undaunted. “I believe my mother is better off now. She can do her precious Scientology, and I know I am better off, at least for the time being. I don’t have to deal with the constant disappointment, the talking behind my back with other parts of the family,” she says. “I am done pretending Scientology is OK.”

 
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Leah Remini on the Today show this morning

Her new series premieres tomorrow night at 10 pm Eastern on the A&E network.

 

 
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Go here to start making your plans.

 
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  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Mike Rinder posted this screencap of search engine results and captioned it “Hurricane Leah taking direct aim at Clearwater FL” 🙂

    F5

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0f7162568acfa9ce6e7d760840e9b15a487fd97e814d8cb7cd1634b6d86c96d4.jpg

    • Mymy88

      [refresh] Leah is coming for you Miscavige… ain’t a damn thing you can do about it. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4ed538ba9f53d5d3be7ab5cd46247e743e620fce069cf73e2610651df874016d.jpg

      • Liberated

        Hi there, check out Keith olbermann twitter resistance now, you’ll find it enlightening.

        • Mymy88

          Ha ha, I was just going to do that right now and then I saw your post. So, going now…

          • daisy

            He also has a pod cast on the internet as well. Sorry don*t remember the name. Google it.

            • Mymy88

              Ah, great. Thanks Daisy.

        • Mymy88

          Oh yeah. I’m going to love it there just like I thought I would. Thanks for bringing it to my attention lol.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Funny – these are REAL news links… not overhyped press releases no one outside of the bubble will read. YOU go Girl – kick ass Leah and thank you!

  • Reddit Ask Me Anything with Leah Remini tomorrow.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Really, really? For reals, Dodo?

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Thanks for mentioning this – didn’t hear anything about it and thanks to you I’ll go check it out!

  • JJ

    Seriously, s’not like a good thing… Suicides and attempts by members of yur church, as a statistic. Which religion has the highest rates of suicide per capita? There’s a fun factoid to look up.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I don’t know whether this will work but apparently it’s where US viewers will find all episodes of Leah’s new show as they become available.

    http://www.aetv.com/shows/leah-remini-scientology-and-the-aftermath/season-1/episode-1/preview-critics

    • Jimmy3

      Will there be live blogging on AETV.com?

    • Eivol Ekdal

      The other programs on that site need you to login with your local cable provider account info.
      So it does not look likely.

      • noseinabk

        So if some of us shared (privately ) our log in would that work? Use a proxy and have the password?

        • Jimmy3

          It should. My cable login worked for people to use HBOgo to see Going Clear.

          • Frodis73

            Yes, yes it did. I still love you for that…well, I love you for many things, but that is def one of them.

          • noseinabk

            Now all I need to do is call my cable company in the morning and tell them I can’t remember my password from 10 years ago. I should have it all straightend out in a week or so.
            In all seriousness, Andrea and cohorts, Robert E. or anyone else I can pm on my fb are welcome to it if needed.

  • noseinabk

    I haven’t said anything to anyone about Leah’s show and didn’t need to. I am getting PMS on fb and messages asking if I knew about. Sheesh, anyone who has spent as much time with me as they have would know that I did. It is nice to know that so many non cult watchers are excited to see it.

    • Jimmy3

      Surprised you hadn’t heard about it. It’s on A&E, 10pm EST November 29th.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        But I think also 10 pm PST on the west coast, I have been trying to figure that out.

    • chukicita

      Inorite? I’ve been making popcorn 24/7 for like 3 weeks and people are like, “oh did you know about…”

      Kinda warms the heart.

  • I am gonna chop some onions and organic hot dogs, mix them with scrambled eggs, sour cream, feta cheese and ragu and get some beauty sleep. Sweet dreams to all. Tomorrow will rock.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Sweet dreams Dodo – I also can’t wait to hear & see the impact of tonight’s show & the stories being told! Enjoy your yummy feast!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      You dropped the shopping down the stairs, didn’t you?

  • Jenyfurrrrr

    So looking forward to seeing Leah’s show! I’m more impressed by her every time I see her speak out. She’s very pragmatic and doesn’t come off as “embittered” but very passionate about making as public a statement about the wrongs she shed previously made FOR the church, while still a member. Going Clear was so excellent and impactful because it told a cohesive story while allowing people to hear stories told first-hand. It’s hard to believe ANY of the CO$’ rhetoric about “criminals, wife beaters & prostitutes” when you see the victims and see caring parents, siblings, adult children who’ve lost family and so much more to CO$.

    That’s what’s so incredible about the forum that Leah has created – its not just reading a random story in a paper or on a blog – and seeing Leah (who lived it, but also is familiar to so many and lends credibility) right there… it makes it SO much more real to those who aren’t familiar or only think of Tom Cruise seeming “off” or South Park telling a crazy sounding story. These are REAL people we’ve all come to care about and I’m SO excited they all have a platform to share their stories and pain! I’m sorry there ARE so many stories, but I’m so VERY thankful they’ve been given this voice to make this information more “mainstream” now!

    Thank you, Leah! We all know in this political climate and season that Iran PR & pressure to save face that will finally get the gov’t off their collective arse to do something and that would be the greatest gift to come if all of this – justice for all of you who have suffered for so long!

    Ok… rant over. I’m just really excited!

    • FredEX2

      Well said Jenyfurrrrr! Leah seems to be a woman of impeccable character and passion for what is right. What she’s doing isn’t easy and she’s doing it for others…I’m looking forward to the program Tuesday night on A&E.

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        Thanks Fred! Yeah I can’t wait! It’s been fun seeing how many appearances she’s made on huge shows (Today, ET, Inside Edition, etc…) this week & last. I like how every time they read the letters from the church (& mention the plethora they’ve received) she says EACH time, “I’m in good company, they say the same thing about everyone that leaves and speaks out. Look at Alex Gibney, Paul Haggis, and every other church executive who has left – they always say the exact same things.” And when they ask her about being a bigot and she says “they’re right – I was when I was in – we all were or are! We just say what we think the public wants to hear!” LOVE her!

  • daisy

    Does anybody know if John Oliver had a show last night I couldn*t find it on-line ?

    • Liberated

      No he’s over for the season…..return January.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    According to the CO$ if it doesn’t star glassy eyed clams breathlessly saying BAM! WOOSH! & BOMB DIGGETY! every few seconds, it can’t be real! HA!
    (refresh)
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3919779841dea8283be691794f59bd28fae2a246678f89e7399ae4eab84381a9.png

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • daisy

      Oh i see it is not Steve. Nice to see you too.

  • daisy

    If anyone is interested there is a good documentary coming on TCM called Grey Gardens. It is the documentary on which the movie was based. It is a human interest story about an eccentric mom and daughter. IIRC they were first cousins of Jackie Kennedy. I often tell people we are Grey Garden at our house without the raccoons.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      It’s great. Did you see the “Documentary Now” take-off on it? That is great too! While watching “Salesman” again last week, I couldn’t help but think that they were minor league pikers compared to the CO$ regs.

      • daisy

        No I haven*t . I am confused the name of the doc. is* Documentary Now *and another one called Salesman ? I will look out for both. I like documentaries

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          “Salesman” is another Maysles bros. doc about traveling bible salesmen. Last week it was on TCM as part of their doc series this month. Documentary Now is a show on IFC hosted by Helen Mirren and starring Fred Armisen & Bill Hader which satirizes well known documentaries. Sandy Passage was the Grey Gardens spoof and it was hilarious. They did a “Globesman” episode – selling globes instead of bibles. All the episodes are fun, especially if you have seen the original docs. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4943628/?ref_=ttep_ep1
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          • daisy

            Oh I will definitely check it out. Seth Myers is my favorite comedian at the moment and the best late night host. What a great idea satirizing documentaries . I actually just noted we have that channel. Do you have day and time ? If not I will keep an eye out. Mom has all these channels but I rarely notice the ones over 75. I spend more time looking for something to watch than settling . Oh hey Mr. Robot. I have heard good things

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              The new season just ended a few weeks ago. They should be re-running them though. Or maybe you can download them, IDK. BTW – Portlandia is another wacky treat starring Armisen.

            • Fred Armisen was married to clam Elizabeth Moss for about two days. Tabloids hinted that has a wandering eye . . . I think she’s just a fucking crazy clam.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              I was never into him while he was on SNL. To be truthful, his regular characters were annoying to me. With Portlandia & especially Documentary Now, I have become a fan of his.

          • daisy

            Oh that will be hilarious. I cannot wait to see it. I will look out for Salesman too.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Salesman can be found on Youtube.

            • daisy

              That is great , thank you. Do you have the time and day *documantary now* is on ? I wrote another post but it seems to have disappeared . Just said I love Seth Myers. He is my favorite comedian . Fred and Bill are genius sketch comics. Gettin Helen Mirren to lend credibility to the venture is a scream.

            • Liberated

              Do you have Comcast in Canada?

            • daisy

              No, but i have IFC.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              First-run episodes were shown here on Wednesday nights.

        • Liberated

          It’s on ifc, Fred Armisen and Bill Hader it’s funny. It’s a spoof on documentaries, Helen Mirren is the “host”!

          • daisy

            Oh I just say a picture of the 2 . It looks like a scream. Bill Hader and Fred A. both genius sketch comics, Helen Mirren icing on the cake. She does lend a certain credibility to the production. She has a great sense of humor. John Oliver got her to narrate something on his show too. So funny.

      • Liberated

        I was just going to say that about doc now, the spoof on grey gardens is hilarious.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Emmy worthy performances, if you ask me. Did you catch the LRH refrence in this season’s finale? Funny when you consider that Armisen was married to a clam. I’m hoping that means they are going to do Going Clear soon!

          • Liberated

            I don’t think I saw the season finale, will definitely check it out now.
            Wouldn’t that be great if they did an episode about the cult, hell yeah!

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              It is a spoof of “The Kid Stays in the Picture”. The Bob Evans-type main character says “Prior to 1945 the Academy Awards had been a small affair – a chicken dinner at a hotel banquet room that we had to share with some L. Ron Hubbard thing. It ran only 45 minutes”. LOL

          • daisy

            I love that comedians are not afraid to reference Tom C. or scientology anymore. My favorite ever was Dave Letterman saying he was retiring so he could devote all his time to be the leader of scientology.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Let’s face it. Getting laughs at $cientology’s expense is an easy get now. Even for the CO$. The whole world thinks they are a joke. A bad joke 🙂

    • Tony Ortega

      One of the great documentaries of all time. The 2009 fictional TV movie was all right. But this is the real thing, with Big Edie and Little Edie and the Maysles brothers. Oh my.

    • LeahRocks

      Love Grey Garden! A classic!

    • An amazing piece of work and it has its own cult following in the gay community. I went and saw Peaches Christ, Jinx Monsoon and Mink Stole in Return of Return of Gray Gardens in October. They did an amazing parody version of the movie followed by a screening of the film. I think everyone who’s seen the film falls in love with Little Edie a bit. I hope she knew that.

      • Snippy_X

        Little Edie was never good with the dusting and polishing, you know.

        • But she knew how to work a sweater and a flag! She was staunch.

      • daisy

        I didn*t know it had a gay cult following. That was an interesting little rabbit hole. I liked both Edie*s They seemed a little tragic. I hope they enjoyed the little bit of fame she got from the documentary.

  • What’sup

    If A&E Australia could see fit to air Leah’s new show immediately before or after BBQ Pitmasters, that’d be great.

    • Juicer77

      You are so spoiled. XD

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Burn, baby BURN!
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    https://www.instagram.com/p/BNX6ipPBlun/

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Excellent kindling right there!

    • Juicer77

      Watch out for the toxic fumes! I hope you have a bucket of water handy. 😉

  • Mymy88

    –OFF TOPIC– OMG I’m going to be sick. My cat just threw up and my dog ran over there and ate it. He loves to eat cat poop too. Tell me again why I love dogs so much? He also eats his own throw up. All I need now is for him to throw up, after eating the cat’s throw up and then him eating that throw up. OMG, I’m going to throw up.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      When I was a kid, we had a dog who used to frequent “The Cat Box Cafe”, as we used to call it. URP! Someone later told me that may indicate there is something nutritionally lacking in the “diner’s” diet. IDK

      • Mymy88

        Yes, my little goofy pup has something lacking alright, but it’s not in his diet. It’s in his head lol.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          But not in his little belly! :O

          • Mymy88

            I don’t know what is in that wittle belly of his but I know he’s always on his back foisting it up into my face wanting scratchins lol. He is a weird little dog but he has all of my heart on a string lol.

    • What’sup

      It’s called recycling.

      • Mymy88

        At least he isn’t one of those dogs with ears that hang down and dip into the vomit while they suck it back up. The dog I dog sit for (Shih Tzu) does that when he can, for my viewing pleasure. UGH.

    • Liberated

      Oh puke!

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Ok I’m going to make you feel better and then sicker all at once… potty training the 3yo (why am I potty training again when I have 2 in college? Oh yeah, because my crazy ass gave into the late 30’s/early 40’s baby fever… Fruit Loop right here!) and she decided to do a dump & run…. well, the dog took quick care of that and looked at me like, “Aren’t you proud of me?!?!” Um… after I got done dry heaving I tried to find the positive in it and then realized I needed to just block it out if I didn’t want to run to the bathroom again!

      ALL that to say – I SO feel ya!

      • Mymy88

        Ugh, blah, I’m not sure if you win or if it is a tie and I’ll never know because I have got to stop thinking about it before I heave lol.

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Lol sorry AND you’re welcome! 😋

    • Juicer77

      Blech. Dogs be dogs.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Praise Xenu – Kuba Ka is going to be there!
    I hope he brings that firework spouting vest of his. If so, we have all the makings for the best CO$ New Year’s Event ever! LOL
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    • Mymy88

      He has the worst act of all time. Wow. That’s the kind you see and you feel embarrassed for the person doing it. It’s that bad.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        It looks like Kuba Ka & Dante Valentine (aka Rockstar Casanova) are the CO$’s big “celebrity” (and I use that term loosely, VERY loosley) recruits this year. If that doesn’t tell you all you need to know about the cult’s state of decline, then nothing will!

        • Never heard of ’em and I’m trying really hard to not look these two goondahs up, but I feel like I’ll probably succumb to curiosity and regret it instantly.

          • Intergalactic Walrus
            • Liberated

              Why did you have to do this? Why?

              This is the most awful thing I’ve ever seen.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              What can I say – I’m starting to like the guy! Srsly, he also posted this today. Another wounded bird that the CO$ is going to take for a ride and another possible tragedy waiting to happen 🙁
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            • daisy

              LOL

            • JaxNGold

              There are hardly words…

              Just another fool who fancies himself an “artist” but has to have dancers, fireworks, a light show and flying to distract from the fact that there’s no talent there whatsoever. I’m embarrassed for this guy.

            • Juicer77

              Who pays for all this? Good gravy.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Someone needs to tell Kuba that the CO$ wouldn’t let his hero Caitlyn Jenner & Kate Bornstein enter into Big Blue…
              https://youtu.be/Qn6j__B0VBM

            • Juicer77

              This guy (hopefully) has enough smarts to do his research and find out exactly what the “church” thinks about the LGBT community. Also about psych drugs – as a PTSD survivor (as he says he is) the “church” does not agree that medication is ok even as a short term solution.

            • Graham

              As Mymy88 says above, you’re embarrassed for the performer. It would help if he could at least sing well. But he’ll be a perfect fit for Scientology; a bit science-fictiony coupled with delusions of competence.

            • That is spectacularly, unintentionally hilarious. Can he pleeeeeeze do a concert with Joy Villa? Pleeeeeeeeeze?

        • Harpoona Frittata

          So, I guess we’re not expecting Tom to show up and dance the night away, then

          As long as Kuba descends from ceiling it’s sure to be a night to remember…better get your tix early!

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            “Ignite Your 2017” is their theme. Hmm…
            I think Kuba Ka’s flame-throwing breast plate can git ‘er done! I just hope they don’t seat him too close to the curtains!

            • Harpoona Frittata

              Kuba can get’er done if anyone can. I just need to get word to him to warn him off of $cn, before they get his credit card numbers and start regging him for all his Kuba Kash.

      • Harpoona Frittata

        So bad that you feel like, between KubaKa and twump, that you really should be apologizing for the entire species.

  • Snippy_X
  • indie8million

    Wow Leah! Lookin’ good! Whatever you’re doing, it looks so great on you. You look so calm and, connected with yourself, IMHO.
    Amazing what happens when a person can move to slight, gentle cause…or go on full warrior chick attack and take no prisoners mode. 😉
    Keep takin’ names, lady. Right here with ya.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    How festive – the clams have hung wreaths on the fire escape of the Info Center…
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    https://www.instagram.com/p/BNYTvHshS5S/?taken-at=851005

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    PHOTO CAPTION – “When the L. Ron Hubbard balloon goes out of control … lol 😃”
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BNVuBCqhRyl/

    • Intergalactic Walrus
      • Graham

        Those Scientologists, with their delusions of competence.

        • ha ha! That is a very competent conclusion

    • Shouldn’t there be Helium inside that… whatever? My gurd!

    • Observer

      What is that thing??

      EDIT: nvm, just watched the video

  • Juicer77

    Great preview on Today. Leah is getting better each time at explaining the mind-screw that is $cientology. I wonder how miserable things are in Mismanage’s vicinity this week? Probably ghastly.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I think she seemed a bit tired and possibly not having a good day.

      • Juicer77

        It seemed like she was really weighing her words and considering the best way to phrase it. It’s certainly possible she’s tired after working on the show and doing so much promotion. Plus we don’t know if she has other acting projects in the works.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Strong words! A lot of people will be looking in the direction of Miscavige and then they will go to the theater and watch My Scientology Movie in 2017. A lot of scientologist inside the bubble will become very uncomfortable and call their parents!

  • Jack99

    “Let it just be said that everybody appearing in the first episode is wholly convincing and that the Church of Scientology’s denials are very prominent, albeit limited to white text on black screens.”
    -The Hollywood Reporter http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/leah-remini-scientology-aftermath-review-950854

    Ah, good old white text on black! Love me some reading from the Xenu lawyers! Who needs a spokesperson with a tiny bit of humanity?! Good riddance, I tell ya!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Give thanks! The alternative is Ms. Blinkey Ding-A-Ling.

      • Juicer77

        ^^^

    • Missionary Kid

      That is a damn good article.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    The last Tuesday I woke up this excited I thought the US was going to come to it’s senses. Needless to say I’ve been waiting for something else to get excited about. 😀

  • Dave Reams

    Wow! From an more Ronic education at the Delphi* academy to an admission to MIT … Phillip must have been exceptionally gifted!

    * Greek geologists found that the chamber for the Oracle of Delphi, who in ancient Greece delivered long Hubbardian type psychotic rantings, was permeated with gases from the underlying ground which induced hallucinations. Hubbard with his spaced age tech relied on psych drugs including “pinks, greys”, and butt fulls of Vistaril.

  • daisy

    Now that I learned that she called Les Moonves about programming I wonder if that didn*t play a part in firing her from his wife*s show. I know that I boycotted it when she was a scientologist. If so indeed the cult hindered her career much more than it helped. She probably wouldn*t have a career at all if she went around witnessing to us wogs and did all that the COS asked her to. I admire her internal judgement and decency so much.

  • richelieu jr

    Such a tragic end for such a brilliant young mind.

    @Tony, was the “my ‘fuked up ideas.’ ” part of the suicide note [sic], or was it a typo?

    It seems strange that such a bright person would make such an error whilst declaring to be completely in control (although, given the circumstançes, of course..)

    Or ´perhaps it is the beginning of a DaVinci Code-type scavenger hunt..? 😉