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No longer working for Monique Rathbun to sue Scientology, Ray Jeffrey opens up

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Once it became official that Ray Jeffrey and his colleagues — Marc Wiegand, Elliott Cappuccio, and Leslie Hyman — were no longer working for Monique Rathbun in her harassment lawsuit against the Church of Scientology, we called up Ray to see if he’d be interested in an interview. We’re glad to say he accepted. And while he can’t talk specifically about some things regarding his work for Monique and why that relationship ended, we were happy that he opened up as much as he did. Here we go…

 
Number one I’d like to say about my co-counsel that we were devoted to pushing Monique’s case forward. I can’t talk about the ins and outs of our attorney-client relationship. But we still feel like we achieved some good. If this stops the church from harassing one other person there would be some value in it. We were all very dedicated to representing Monique and I don’t want anyone to think we dumped her in the dirt.

What was it like in Judge Waldrip’s court with so many Scientology attorneys on the other side?

I think the highest count we ever saw was 25 attorneys. Do they really need that many for a couple of entities and four people as defendants? I always laugh when I think about that because only one of them can talk at a time. I think it’s actually more distracting for the attorney speaking for Scientology with all of the other people whispering to him and grabbing him, passing him notes and telling him what he can say. I think it looks bad.

So it actually worked against them?

They hire the best local attorneys, but those local attorneys don’t know the background and the history of Scientology — the things your readers know better than they do. I don’t think the people from OSA tell them the bad stuff. So when you hit them with Scientology’s actual deeds, like things from say Operation Snow White, it really messes them up. I think that’s a real problem for Scientology.

And they play rough. Early in the case they used the local attorneys to try to get you disqualified.

I’m as angry about it today as I was then. It would be hard to find a group of lawyers more dedicated to their profession than Leslie and Marc and Elliott and me. This is a constant strategy of Scientology that is beyond the pale — first, attack the lawyers every time. And they do things for the long haul, not necessarily for something that helps in that particular case. I believe they do that to keep other lawyers from taking cases against Scientology. I’ve had private eyes staked out down the street from my office, driving through my parking lot, trying to spook us. They do that to put you off a case and to convince others not to get into Scientology litigation. And it’s staggering how much money they spend on this stuff, which is unbelievable for a tax exempt organization to be doing.

Our readers constantly ask, is there a secret settlement deal between Monique and the church?

I am aware of absolutely nothing in that regard, and I personally don’t believe that there’s anything like that. We haven’t been privy to anything to do with settlement negotiations or what Monique is going to do since we were terminated.

What did you think of Judge Waldrip?

He is very highly respected. He was a great district attorney and then became a district judge. We were blown away by how perceptive he was about very complex matters. We tried his patience repeatedly, but you have to keep fighting when you’re up against Lamont Jefferson and Ricardo Cedillo.

Did it surprise you to see CSI fall on its sword to protect David Miscavige?

I was surprised by the gamble they took with the anti-SLAPP motion. Normally, you would expect them to deny everything, that they didn’t have anything to do with any harassment of Monique. But in order to make their anti-SLAPP motion work, they had to come in to court and say, yes we did this stuff, but it’s protected speech. That was a pretty big gamble, and it didn’t pay off.

Has it hurt your law practice to take on several cases of Scientology litigation?

I wouldn’t have traded what I went through for anything. Debbie Cook is a fantastic person who somehow got through everything the church put her through. Paul Merrick and Greg Arnold were delightful people that very few people got to know. They had a lot of integrity and I really enjoyed getting to know them. And then Monique, as everyone can tell, is a fantastic human being and a lovely person. She’s so caring and down to earth. It’s hard to be around her and not like her. So, as far as my law practice over the last few years, it’s been great to be around these people. We spent thousands of hours working on Monique’s case. We probably invested a million dollars in it, and we did it without hesitation. Was that difficult on my law practice? Yes, it was. But it’s not something I regret at all.

So you don’t regret taking Monique’s case?

Monique is right. She was treated horrifically. She didn’t deserve any of what they put her through, and they should pay for it. The Austin appeals court found that this ridiculous Squirrel Buster activity wasn’t protected free speech. If that saves one other person from being harassed, it was worth it.

As far as you know, does Monique plan to hire another attorney to replace you?

I have zero information about that. I do not know what her plan is.

She filed a document this week “pro se” — on her own, without legal counsel — to the Texas Supreme Court. If the court decides to consider Scientology’s petition, it would ask Monique to file a response to Scientology’s petition and then, possibly, full briefs. How difficult would that be for someone representing themselves?

I think it would be extremely difficult for someone to do on her own, either with assistance or not. Because the types of issues being asked about now — the different standards of proof, for example — that just doesn’t come naturally to a non-lawyer. We’re used to thinking about that kind of thing, but if that’s not what you do, those sorts of issues are hard to wrap your head around. Just the constitutional issues involved, the vast majority of lawyers out there never handle constitutional matters. The amount of law out there is immense. It really takes someone like Leslie Hyman to master that and know what the appeals court is looking for. It’s not something you want to do unarmed. I hope they are able to bring in some other competent counsel.

If Monique were to change her mind, could she convince you to come back?

I would certainly consider it, and I think my co-counsel would consider it as well. We’d have to think long and hard just because of where we got to now. We wouldn’t want to work for another year and end up in the same situation. And let me add, we did really want to see this through to the end. Whether it was a settlement or a jury trial and a judgment. We wanted to do what we were hired to do.

 
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Nora Crest in the Daily Mail

Ah, finally! We heard this was ready some time ago, but it finally showed up today — a nice profile of Nora Crest by Chris White in the Daily Mail. Give it a look!

(We think Derek Bloch might have something to say about this line: “Nora is the first person to ever speak out after having a homosexual experience in the Church…”)

 
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Bonus items from our tipsters

This one has been floating around on social media for a couple of days. We find it interesting that the Rev. Alfreddie Johnson Jr., at the extreme right, can still get himself into a photo with Kelly Preston, center, at a function in Florida, given that his entire Southern California operation cratered and several people he worked with have been indicted.

 
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From reader ‘Richard,’ an instant classic…

 
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  • nottrue

    This must be a Scientologist thing = Cringeworthy…https://twitter.com/bodhielfman/status/710990003694731265

    • Observer

      I hope they can find a vat big enough to immerse him in.

      • Jimmy3

        I was gonna but then this
        I bow to you

    • http://www.exscientologistsireland.org Pete Griffiths

      Just bonkers! I mean, one to say it, and two, to actually do it?? :)

    • Draco

      Good grief! The man is an idiot. No wonder his wife prefers horses.

      • Jenyfurrrrr

        This was the first one that cost me a sip of water today! Hilarious!

    • Joe

      I wish I could bleach that tweet from my memory.

    • outraged

      Must be the scientological version of #fingersinthebootyassbitch.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Not a scientologist thing. This is a has been narcissist married to a wanna be a has been narcissist thing.

    • sashiebgood

      ew. gawd I cannot deal with these self obsessed people who seem to think that anyone wants to know their thoughts and how amused he seems to be with himself for making a “dirty” post on Twitter. ugh, I can just see him laughing to himself thinking he’s soooo clever. what a fuckwit

    • MaxSpaceman

      jeeezus, did he really tweet that?

      can he be a bigger fucking asshole than he already is? as unbleached and crusted as he is …

    • Phil McKraken

      Dear Bodhi — Difference between ‘edgy’ and fingernails on a blackboard. Learn it.

    • CameronCrest

      Bodhi is very sexually repressed.
      He isn’t even allowed to masturbate as a Scientologist.
      It’s all revealed in the trainwreck podcasting he does with his wife.

      Google Kicking and Screaming Podcast

      ut the real reason is he canceled his HBO subscription and probably any other streaming or broadcasting service that’s showing Going Clear -even Netflix.
      So he talks about bleaching assholes to get out his frustrations.
      I might do that too if I couldn’t watch Game of Thrones anymore.

      But in all seriousness, the 18th was a Friday and it was probably a drunk tweet. A lot of really stupid shit can seem like a really good idea to some drunk people.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    Check out my new post on complaining to Congress – I have the contact info for the members of the oversight committees – please ask them to hold hearings. Twitter handles are there too! Tweet them about the abuses. Meet in person if you are in their district. https://scientologytaxexempt.wordpress.com/making-a-complaint-to-congress/

  • Draco

    Night all. Remember to clear away all your crockery when you’re done and last one out loads the dishwasher.
    XOXO

    • outraged

      I need a Draco at my house.:-}

      • pat k

        Me too!

      • Skabetti

        I need CROCKERY. I never say that word. Crockery, crockery, crockery.

  • Jeb Burton

    Tony you are a great journalist. I know you won’t like this, but a journalist would of asked him, why do you think she fired you? You gave him softballs unfortunately.

    • Draco

      “but a journalist would of asked him”

      The correct term is would HAVE asked him.

    • PRenaud

      “…while he canโ€™t talk specifically about some things regarding his work for Monique and why that relationship ended,” what is it that you don’t understand????

      • flyonthewall

        i think it’s english he doesn’t understand

        • Draco

          Maybe he “would of” if he went to a proper school?

          • Jeb Burton

            You’re right. Makes the question irrelevant grammar nazi.

        • Jeb Burton

          no hablo espanol.

      • Jeb Burton

        Maybe she thought he was fucking up the case and needed competent attorneys to fight the cult? Why else do you fire your legal counsel mid trial?

        • Frodis73

          I don’t know for sure, but I highly doubt it’s that…he was winning so far ffs.

          • Jeb Burton

            Was he? Monica didnt think so.

            • Frodis73

              See my reply above. Nobody knows what Monique/Mosey (you can’t even get the name right-not first time either) is thinking, except Mosey. We don’t know what she is thinking, that’s why there is all this confusion. By all appearances, Ray seemed to be “winning” though.

        • MaxSpaceman

          this maybe of yours is completely wrong.

          no one who knows is telling why she fired the representation she had. let it go joe.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Mr Jeffrey: “I canโ€™t talk about the ins and outs of our attorney-client relationship.”

      I apologize in advance for clouding the issue with facts. Again. Frustrating, ain’t it?

      • Jeb Burton

        We all want to know why she dropped this winnable case. Tony didn’t ask why. I know he digs deep, but we still have no idea why she bailed out.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Well, you got that part right – we still have no idea. And Tony answered your directly already I see. It is very frustrating to not know. That part I Do understand.

    • Frodis73

      Stepping in it again eh Jeb?

      • Jeb Burton

        Are we supposed to kiss Tony’s ass? I think he should of asked why Ray is no longer on this case that she could of won.

        • Frodis73

          No, we are not supposed to, nor do we have to kiss his ass…did you not read the actual story though? Or the many comments that pointed out why Ray can’t talk about what you want him too?

          • StudentOfLife

            Jeb, I served 8 years working for JAGs in Air Force and another 7 years in reserves part time for JAGS and I still am close to a few attorneys. They have to walk a fine line commenting on cases such as this. I think Ray is sending a hidden message here. Plus I’ve learned that Tony is smart like a fox, even when he is not always right. Despite his sometimes gruff countenance, I find him a great old school Jack Friday style journalist. He has a finely honed sense of how to connect the dots, like the great policeman who develops a sixth sense of something going on that we can’t always see but senses something is not right. I’ve also met him and observed him at the first Paulette Cooper appearance, where I got there very early and wound up spending extra time with Paulette, who he made totally comfortable, putting her comfort above his own. I observed he showed no pretense, even turned down help getting extra books from the trunk of his rental car, turning down both my help as well as Paulette’s. I think he knows what story to publish when and how much info to hold onto to until the proper time Example is I published an old picture of a Scientology letter with an original signature and when a prominent ex’er was prompted by the pic to remember a name from the past, I noticed Tony immediately deleted the comment (it was replied to me, so I had the original record). I realized Tony was protecting someone. This guy is a pro if you haven’t learned that yet. I’m amazed at the growing power and influence of this bunker which he has watered and fertilized with great care and love which comes from his passion as a great journalist.

        • cecily beresford

          Either not too bright or a troll.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Anything Monique Rathbun (client) disclosed to Mr. Jeffries (attorney) regarding her case, evidence, well… Pretty much ANYthing she discussed while they were engaged in the trial up until the point at which she ended their contractual relationship (meaning after the JUDGE approved it and therefore released him from the responsibility) is privledged client/attorney communications. Therefore, the reason she gave whether verbally or in writing about why she did not want to continue (because the judge still had not yet approved it) falls under privilege.

      He can’t comment on what he thinks she thinks, what she said, etc. because it would violate that. Not only that, but good attorneys (which I’m sure we can agree Mr. Jeffries is definitely considered…) would not discuss their client or their feelings even where they technically could because it is unprofessional and would turn off potential future clients, not to mention, someone could get upset (rue the day anyone?) and file a complaint alleging unprofessional conduct. Tony knows this…. Therefore he’s not going to ask simply to spend half an interview on questions that would garner a “can’t comment on that.” Or perhaps he DID try to ask and simply only included the answers that were able to be answered.

      • Jeb Burton

        So one can assume, since he was fired, that he was an incompetent attorney who was losing the case. And he cant comment on that? And she can?

        • Frodis73

          First, what in the world makes you think he was loosing the case?? Have you not followed the trial here? Have you not heard the *many* lawyers that have commented that they are confused she fired him because Ray seemed to be winning?
          You really like to stir stuff up for no reason it seems…either that or you are really, really slow.

          • Jeb Burton

            That is why i want to know why he was dumped by Monica. And Tony didnt ask that question.And I am slow, why do you hate special people?

            • Frodis73

              OMG, we all want to know that and have been speculating about it since the story broke. Ray will not be the one to tell us the why though. Tony replied to you, go read it. He did ask and like many of us told you there are certain things Ray cannot talk about. It’s not that hard.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              With the “Monica” again? Really? Try getting her name right at least once.

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          She can speak all she wants because she has no obligation – her case.

          One can assume whatever one wants… Like for instance, I can assume you are likely single and the inspiration for many an eyeroll because you simply enjoy stirring the pot. You can assume people think it’s funny. I assume it annoys the hell out of the average person.

          But assuming that Jeffries was screwing the pooch on this? Not likely unless suspending court and public record is a hobby. He seemed to be doing well, from what I saw.

    • TonyOrtega

      Hopefully, your faith in me will be restored when I tell you that of course I asked that question. And other juicy questions as well. But here’s the thing about Ray Jeffrey. He takes seriously his obligations to his clients, current or former. So he let me know there were questions he couldn’t answer because of those obligations. Which is why I wrote the introduction the way I did, with an explanation that Ray couldn’t speak about certain subjects. This seemed pretty clear to the other people speaking up in this thread. Salud.

  • Sarah James

    Maybe this is something that Mr. Jeffrey cannot comment on, but I will ask anyway. David Miscaviges behavior toward Monique (a woman who has never been in scientology) has always seemed misplaced. Do you think David Miscavige is jealous of Marty Rathbuns marriage? Jealous of Monique? Miscavige seems so out of control and came closer to being deposed than I have seen before.

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      When they want to destroy someone, they draw a diagram of that person and everyone and everything that person connects to, and then they come up with ways to break all those links. (I think someone once got their hands on some documents of the op on themselves.)

      Monique is a large part of Marty’s life, so they’d figure out ways to target her and try to drive wedges into the relationship. If there’s any jealousy, I think it’d have to wait in line.

      • Sarah James

        I know how they target. What is different is how David Miscavige has exposed himself this time. No pun intended. I always thought he was fighting Mosey for Marty’s attention and more…Marty is Miscavige’s toy.

  • Observer

    Dear Andrea:

    We shoopers are a vengeful lot.

    ML,
    Observer

    • Draco

      BAZINGA!!!

    • flyonthewall

      the sexual tension is palpable

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Now Fly, that’s just wrong. Oh wait, your’e a French Fly now. Never mind.

    • Juicer77

      LOLOL

    • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

      I’m gonna go reorganize the pantry ’til this is all worked out.

    • Sunny

      I come for the shoops…..
      I stay for the shoops….

    • gtsix

      Wowzers.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Something fishy about all this, Obs

      • Kim O’Brien

        this is going on a coffee cup . Full stop

      • Baby

        That girl.. Betty is absolutely beautiful..

    • Nat-leficent
    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      Oh hell nah you didn’t!

    • Kim O’Brien

      DYING !!!!!!

      • Sherbet

        I’m laughing so hard, I can’t even think of a good caption for it.

        • flyonthewall

          Andrea! Get your hand out of my pocket! Not in front of the CMO, tehehe! I’ll see you after muster ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Sherbet

            Oh, my God! Funny!

          • jazzlover

            Very tacky

            • flyonthewall

              you disapprove?

            • jazzlover

              I believe it to be tacky – so yes ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Hey – Fake Jazzlover acct… Quit stalking and get your own account. JL gets all those likes because we genuinely LIKE the real jazz…

    • nottrue

      She looks Hot…He does Not..

      • Sunny

        I am a girl.
        And I agree with this message.

    • Rasha

      leer leer v. to stare at with a creepy gaze, to look as leacherously. n. an expression of unhealthy desire and sliminess. See: illustration.

      • Sherbet

        It’s like she’s daring lrh to say something stupid, because, when he does, she’s going to give him an Atomic Wedgie.

        • Rasha

          (falsetto)”…why, this is very interesting….”

        • Sunny

          Almost something along the lines of:
          “Your days are numbered, you polygamist cultie.”

          • Sherbet

            Not so polygamist — he never had a second wife.

    • Dice

      Behind every man, there is a woman!

    • Baby

      OH MY GAWWWWWWWd…. bawwwwwhahahhahha.. Perfect Shoop Obs..

    • Frodis73

      Keep scrolling past this and it’s still funny. Can’t wait til Andrea sees this.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Due to the throngs of SXSW attendees in town, the Austin Org had to call in out-of-town re-inforcements to deal with the crowds rushing into the Org? Yeah, probably not… ๐Ÿ˜‰

    PHOTO CAPTION – “Dallas Org Super Heroes help out the Austin Org.”

    • Observer

      The first clear country? Was there a stealth secession or something?

      • Graham

        These idiots think Italy is a continent, so not surprising they think Texas is a country.

        • Sejanus

          The benefits of a $cientolomogy Edumuhkayshun

    • Kim O’Brien

      this is just one of the many reasons why we no longer allow Texans into Colorado . This list is looooooong ….but this is on it , for sure .

      • jazzlover

        That’s pretty harsh
        Must be the legal Marijuana

      • jazzlover

        THAT IS NOT ME WHO REPLIED TO YOU. IT IS A MEMBER HERE WHO THINKS HE’S CLEVER. TAKE A LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF COMMENTS MADE.

        • Dice

          Seen it!

          • Jenyfurrrrr

            Lol – glad you called it out because that didn’t seem like a “you” response. Wow you’re so famous here you’ve got stalkers/fanboys or girls trying to BE you now JL?!??

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Oops hit wrong reply – that was for the REAL Jazzlover! But Hi Dice!!!

            • jazzlover

              There’s a fungus among us, and it’s always in places least expected.

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              So basically this person’s aspiring to the level of a dirty stinky jockstrap? Well I’m glad they are outed and I know to check the profile.

        • flyonthewall

          i’m sorry jazz, smh. Sick people out there

          • jazzlover

            That’s okay, there are many trolls who target me. I don’t know why I’m so famous?

          • jazzlover

            Again, the one who just answered you isn’t me.

            • flyonthewall

              i noticed that after I responded so I put a strike through my comment.

        • Dice

          you might wanna change your DISQUS addy from @disqus_XElkWGuh3j to something more easy remembering. That String – cannot be copied

        • salin

          Missed it . That schtick – again? Ugh.

          • jazzlover

            Based on the m.o. and the things being said, I know who it is.

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Hmmm running around listening to music, checking out creative expression, meeting fun people vs. being regged, hypnotized and fleeced for all I own…. Tough one, may need to think on it for a bit!!! (safe to say SXSW isn’t a fruitful recruiting ground since 90% of attendees can be safely assumed ineligible for auditing for the next 48 hours at least!)

    • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

      I’ll never ever laugh at a person in a cosplay costume after having seen this bunch of clowns.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Parents BEWARE!
    An LRH Summer Camp for Kids: http://mojavelifebasics.com/index.php/summer-camp/
    The CO$ has to get its hooks into those future Sea Orgers before they know what’s hit ’em. SMH
    (refresh)

    • salin

      Campers will also get to experience acquiring a credit card, and maxing it out in one short lesson.

    • flyonthewall

      ‘In our summer camp we will intersperse games, activities and camping trips with thinly veiled hypnotic induction exercises based on the works of L Ron Hubbard.”

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Thanks for sharing this. They list all these fun activities but the copy talks about all the batting and teaching. Something tells me there won’t be a ton of time for the fun stuff for these poor kids!

    • Observer

      I can’t think of a group of people I’d trust more to take my kid out into the desert than Scientologists. They’re so life-affirming and medically conscientious!

      • Sherbet

        Tusken Raiders maybe.

        • Rasha

          LOL

          • Sherbet

            You can’t imagine how satisfying it is to me that I made a scifi-related joke that makes sense.

            • Rasha

              I honestly snorked! XD

            • Sherbet

              That’s a very meaningful snork to me, Rasha. I’m not worthy.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Snorked? We’re snorking now?

            • Rasha

              Dammit! INSIDE voice, Rasha!! INSIDE voice!!

    • Rasha

      Yes, I recall these as being some of my cherished reads as a child…. “Daddy, read me ‘Cause vs. Being the Victim” again!

    • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

      No doubt connected to this:
      http://www.mojaveacademy.com

    • Sherbet

      “We will also weave lanyards and have typical camp fun, time permitting.”

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You had me at “ethics and happiness”.

      Now, when is the “How to Write a Knowledge Report on your litter sister and in ARC F*ck Off note to Mommy” seminar scheduled?

      • CameronCrest

        Those seminars are right after the “Scientology Magic doesn’t work for bad people.” seminar and and the storytime reading of “The kid who got sick because, he spoke to bad people.”

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    O/T: Vadym Kholodenko Bach Solti Prelude in B minor

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVQovDxq5dQ

    • Observer

      I can’t imagine what he’s going through right now.

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        So very sad.

        • Rasha

          No words.

          • flyonthewall

            what r u guys talking about?

            • Observer

              The pianist’s estranged wife murdered their two young daughters.

            • flyonthewall

              *gasp* omg

            • salin

              I hadn’t heard – looked it up b/c of Dodo’s post. Horrific.

  • Nat-leficent

    Go eff yourself Jazzlover F5
    I’m sick of this “it’s an impersonator” game.

    • Sherbet

      It’s an imposter.

      • Nat-leficent

        Then JL needs to take care of it with disqus.

        • TonyOrtega

          I’ll look into it later.

          • jazzlover

            Please do. You don’t want people like that around here.

            • outraged

              llamas?

              edited: A troll! ugh

          • flyonthewall

            or get another mod or two. Someone who spends way too much time here and will bring swift but fair justice to the Bunker. Preferably a Lego Master Builder.

            • Rasha

              …you have my Nailgun…

          • Dice

            this is the DISQUS tag you should look for “@disqus_A0VxdUofTA” don’t know if he is still showing in your DISQUS admin, since the comments is deleted, but DISQUS mod would be able to find it and compare with other sock-acounts.

        • jazzlover

          And how exactly would I do that?

          • outraged

            Looks like Disquis has a Blacklist. Hopefully it works for this brand of troll. What a drag jazzlover.

            https://help.disqus.com/customer/portal/articles/466242-using-the-blacklist-and-whitelist

          • Nat-leficent

            Click on the impostor’s account. Flag the account and link to the impostor’s comments. You should have taken care of this months ago.

            • TonyOrtega

              You can always email me if there’s a situation.

            • Nat-leficent

              Okay.

            • jazzlover

              Don’t try and shame ME. You know he’s been changing his screen name constantly.

            • Nat-leficent

              Whatever. I just can’t believe that someone has been impersonating you for months and you haven’t lodged a complaint with disqus or emailed the moderator of this site to have it handled.

            • jazzlover

              Nice support! Whatever. Not your business though. And since when is the onus on the one being trolled? Wake up. The screen name has changed about 5 or 6 times. It’s the same person. If you’re so concerned about whoever this is, you can just as easily do what you think I should be doing.

            • Nat-leficent

              It is YOUR responsibility to handle your online rep.

            • jazzlover

              If that’s the case, why do you care what I do?

              I know this to be true, though – it is YOUR responsibility to know who you associate with.

            • outraged

              do you know who this troll is?

            • jazzlover

              I do, but I won’t divulge publicly. I won’t stoop to his level.

            • Frodis73

              Maybe tell TO who you think it is though. He posted above he may have it figured out.

            • outraged

              Tell Tony!!!!

            • MaxSpaceman

              stooping is ok sometimes :)

            • jazzlover

              Just saw your latest post. I would not necessarily assume that the person trolling me is OSA, or even a scientologist.

            • MaxSpaceman

              weird. I can’t care anymore. Been a critic too long to give a flying duck about any of the sock puppetry anymore.

            • jazzlover

              Well, since I’m the one being targeted, I do care. The question becomes — why would I want to hang out at a place where members do things like that? Anybody here should care about that kind of trolling, if they want this place to remain a bastion of reason. Any forum I’ve ever seen that went downhill, went downhill ONLY because of the participants.

            • MaxSpaceman

              well I have no idea what happened; I don’t read but a handful of comments anymore usually, as time is much more limited now. So I don’t know the egregious smackdown that must’ve occured.

              Of course I support civility on Tony O’s Blog — I’ve been on it since V V column stopped.

            • jazzlover

              That’s great, and I don’t hold you accountable for knowing everything that goes on here. However, if you’re paying attention, you’ll notice that the person I initially responded to in order to make clear that I didn’t make the nasty comment, never bothered to respond back (which, btw, would be called “common courtesy”). And you would have noticed that another came at me in an uncalled for, nasty way. Trust me — there are a few here who even on a good day could be called “unhinged”. So yes, civility always works. But it’s not always there here.

            • MaxSpaceman

              I see- but since I don’t read the comments much anymore, I have no idea about “paying attention to the person you initially responded to”; nor about what; nor about the exchange at all. So I don’t know what you’re talking about. Except that it would be ideal if The Bunker were less chaotic.

              It’s a grand community in its own way; but there will be putting up with the bad to get the good. It’s always been that way since day 1.

            • jazzlover

              Agreed, but when the participants themselves contribute to the “bad”, that is worse then when outsiders do so. The participants make or break any online community.

              We don’t need to keep going over this. My main point is that not everything is always as it seems.

            • MaxSpaceman

              That was what I always paid attention to Captain Howdy for; I don’t discern that as easily as others, and he was always ready with a reality check! I loved him and that was 1 of the reasons why.

            • Ella Raitch

              Hmmm – does that explain Jeb….?

              …..naaaah

            • jazzlover

              Maybe, and a few others as a matter of fact. I was intent on never commenting here again after what happened a few days ago. But I’ll be damned if I’m gonna let one or two smart asses make me look like a shitwad.

            • Dice

              don’t let this divide you – that’s what this sock wants..

            • jazzlover

              Divide me? If one leaves, does the sock win? Well yeah, I guess. This is a targeted attack. He can’t deal with “smarts”.

            • Dice

              nope – if you give up further info about what and where else you experience this stalker, i could maybe do something. And even if he deletes comments, it’s in the google cache as well as on tony’s server. If it’s written – there is a copy!

            • Frodis73

              Def don’t leave ’cause of the troll. F him.

            • Dice

              Tony can easily, find and compare IP addresses, so if there is any match he would know, thats also why you should flag him

            • jazzlover

              Not if the posts are made via phone. Where they ping from changes.

            • daytoncapri

              Good. Never give in.

            • Baby

              Nope.. He’s been around for a long time. He is a pain in the ass

            • Ella Raitch

              Even Jeb was being a bit too Jeb today

              (I don’t seriously believe he’s being trolled – just trying to inject a little levity)

            • salin

              lol

            • MaxSpaceman

              Jeb! Bush?

            • Robert Eckert

              Jeb Burton, our jaded curmudgeon from Clearwater.

            • Ella Raitch

              Burton…. His comments today were more wtf than normal

    • EmmaDaoust

      Nice talk, Nat. It IS a sock or impersonator.

      • Nat-leficent

        Don’t try and shame me.

        • jazzlover

          Don’t play dumb.

        • EmmaDaoust

          You say “eff off” and I’M shaming you?

          • Nat-leficent

            Trying — but not succeeding. Tony already told me to email him next time, which I will — so you can stop trying to dictate to me.

      • Ella Raitch

        How do we tell?

        • Rasha

          Click the name. You will generally see the sock to have very few comments and no upvotes, etc, compared to the known participants, who often have many many comments and upvotes. Personally, I think everyone should modify their @ discus name from the default to something meaningful.

          • outraged

            But this ahole is changing the disquis name back and forth.
            For example, if I search for Jazzlover now I see only the real one.
            So the troll changed the name to something else so we can;t find him/her/it.

            • Rasha

              Yeah, it’s only useful while the account is still up. I’m certainly no adept at this stuff myself, but it’s helpful to spot someone in the short term, when something just don’t feel right.

            • outraged

              exactly! which is why I went searching for a screen capture. but it was too late.
              Are they deleting the account?

            • Rasha

              More than likely. Then their comments vanish, but the turmoil they came here to start remains. Which is partly their aim, other than causing grief to the one they are impersonating.

            • outraged

              I found a solution if we all work together. :-}
              see above…

            • Ella Raitch

              Thanks. I am getting very confused. I could only find jazzlovers with the same comment count

            • outraged

              that’s is what happened to me.
              Now I am wondering —
              did they delete the account? (I think so. I see no fucked up comments)
              did they change the screen name (can you do that?)

              What WE ALL have to do is find the guy immediately.
              There is NO way Jazzlover can be expected to know exactly when the ahole is showing up.

              So if ALL of us click on Jazzlover for every comment,
              FLAG THE AHOLE,
              Then we can do it!! rah rAH!!

            • outraged

              This is the REAL Jazzlover….as of today….

            • Dice

              You can find him under Kim O’brian latest comment – 5 comments

            • Ella Raitch

              I’m only seeing the 8000+ comment count jazzlover

            • Dice

              the very first comment under Kim’s – depends on how you sort it F5

            • outraged

              It’s already gone.
              f5

            • Dice

              ha ha… someone get nervous… thats lame!

            • outraged

              and cowardly. and slimy. and aholey.

            • salin

              Dizzying to try to follow.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    This was actually posted on the Hubbard College of Administration International Los Angeles Facebook page on Friday. WTF? Is this a “College” or a soup kitchen?

    PHOTO CAPTION – “We had a staff meeting today.”
    (refresh)

    • PickAnotherID

      One word for whatever that is in the pot, YUK! Rice and beans, with a bit of cilantro, would be more appetizing.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I think we now know where those pesky body thetans end up :O

    • flyonthewall

      they’re eating the downstats!

    • Sejanus

      Looks like a pot of boiled weasel dicks

  • nottrue
    • flyonthewall

      why are nerds giving them money and their names? I thought they were smarter than that, they’re nerds fer cryin’ out loud!!

      • Sherbet

        Hopefully, they’re signing up with fake names from Harry Potter or Game of Thrones.

      • Rasha

        Or plants. EP: “Hey, those other nerds are interacting with that sci-fi guy from the alien religion! Maybe they’re all right after all! C’mon, fellows! Let’s interact as well! And proffer moneys!”

        I haven’t seen the clip. But seriously, can they still count on naivete for any substantial headway?

        • flyonthewall

          c’mon fellows! *snort*

          • Robert Eckert

            They’re signing up with the names and addresses of the guys who stole their lunch money in 5th grade.

            • flyonthewall

              smh

    • salin

      Interesting exchange.

      Isn’t that Phil’s daughter tending to the Terl character?

    • Cars

      I believe that is Phil’s daughter, Emily, at the 28 sec mark.

      • flyonthewall

        I think you’re right

      • flyonthewall

        I posted it to SP’s r Us and tagged Sid

        • Cars

          Thanks.

          Gosh, if it is her, it must be so bittersweet for him and Willie to see her this way… so close, yet so far away and unreachable. I’d want to reach right through the monitor to touch her face, kiss her, hug her, anything…

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Jim Mathers was there too!
      (refresh)

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BDNA8sdKwNC/

      • Rasha

        “…so, here we are, at ComiCon… oh, some cool stormtroopers, and hey, anime charac–

        MATHERS!!!!!!

        …takemehometakemehometakemehometakemehome……..”

    • PickAnotherID

      Who’s the monkey standing in front of the poster? Definately not buff enough to be Terl, or Bigfoot.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Damn! I thought that Terlible thing was a statue, not a costume. This guy couldn’t get laid at a second rate furry convention with that ugly piece of crap.

  • Jimmy3

    I freeze my farts so I can smell them later.

    • Jimmy3

      FUCKING STOP IT IMPERSONATOR

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        Do you use liquid nitrogen or dry ice?

        • Jimmy3

          I only did that once this guy is trying to impersonator me

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            Ah… ok…
            … so how did they find out about the fart freezing?

            • Jimmy3

              He must really research his roles. He’s an expert impersonator.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              RUN JIMMY3… HEโ€™S IN YOUR HEAD!!!
              (are you sure itโ€™s not just fly? :) )

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Can’t be Fly. Fly’s in France atm.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Ahhhh… thank you, Hole :) (in which case, he should be hitting the hay quite soon, itโ€™s 1:12 am over there!)

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Hmmm do flies sleep?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thank Jimmy3. He’s the one who told us. Jimmy3 never lies.

            • flyonthewall

              J3 told you guys I was in France? For real!?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Something about you being French –

            • flyonthewall

              he’ll rue the day he called me a dirty frenchman

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              … and as we know, Jimmy is a veritable fount of facts whose veracity can be variable!

            • flyonthewall

              you said something about me being in France earlier and I didn’t get it so I just ignored it cuz I didn’t want to look stupid for not getting the joke. What did he say? That little so n so, I’ll get him

            • flyonthewall

              i heard something about a hole in the wall where the men can see it all so I had to come see for myself

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              You’re too young to know that one! ?

            • flyonthewall

              What r u talkin’, that one’s timeless! Which reminds me, HEY KIDS COME ‘ER!

      • outraged

        that’s snot funny.

        • Jimmy3

          Thanks you.

      • Ella Raitch

        Let’s just roll with it for a while and see who has better jokes

      • Rasha
    • aegerprimo

      Why?

    • Ella Raitch

      The real Jimmy would just let it out for all to share. He’s caring that way

  • Tony Ortega

    I think I have him figured out. If I accidentally erase Jimmy3 or Fly by mistake, you guys will forgive me, right?

    • flyonthewall

      they may thank you, don’t give them the satisfaction!

    • Jimmy3

      I will be too busy smelling my frozen farts to notice or care.

      • Jimmy3

        ^^^ TROLL IMPERSONATOR DONT LISTEN ^^^

      • flyonthewall

        if you are the real Jimmy then why don’t you tell us all the name of Jimmy’s teddy bear he sleeps with every night?

    • outraged

      hahahahahahaahah.

    • Rasha

      Wait — they’re REAL???

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Don’t feel bad – I got Todd and Tom Tomorrow mixed up as the same person yesterday. Because.. Tomorrow, you know?

        • Rasha

          …I am now completely disengaged and suggestible and a prime target for subconscious conditioning. Just sayin’.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Jimmy3 had to ‘splain it to me. And he didn’t even make any senile old lady jokes. I was disappointed. Scooch over – I will make room on my imaginary chaise lounge. Bring snacks if you have any.

            • Rasha

              *scootches* All I got is Pocky, but there should be some wasabi peas somewhere…..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Snackin’ up the stereotype huh? ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Rasha

              Never doubt my Pocky arsenal.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Hopefully there are no wasabi flavored Pocky treats. I just order some Japanese market Kit Kat bars. Green tea, raspberry and dark chocolate flavors. They’ve got dozens that we never get here just for the Japanese market. So excited!

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      Sorry for all the metallover posts. My intentions were good.

    • OOkpik

      NO DEAL!!!

    • Ella Raitch

      Are we_really_ convinced they’re not the same person. Maybe there was a decoy last time in Ohio. Clever little tricksters both.

  • aegerprimo

    Weird evening at the Bunker. I don’t get it.
    Nite nite y’all!

    • Rasha

      Night night, AP! ^_^ Very dreams!

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      You are not alone. Sleep well.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Don’t lose any sleep over it. None of us do. We’re just waiting for Tony to school us. There are strange days and then there are stranger days. Night!

    • outraged

      Someone spiked the punch.
      G’night!!

  • http://narcononreviews.net Mary_McConnell

    This is a Top Ten best article, Tony!

    • Tony Ortega

      Gracias!

      • Rasha

        I meant to say that earlier. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Tony Ortega

    OK, switch thrown. Please notify me if you see the impostor pop up again somewhere.

    And if Jimmy3 and Fly were flushed in the process, well, I’ll just have to buy them an extra round in Cleveland.

    • Rasha

      Wait — Cleveland’s REAL???

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Now that’s just silly.

        • Rasha

          True. Now Brigadoon – THAT’S real!!

      • outraged

        Wait — Rasha is REAL???

        • Rasha

          *poof*

          • Rasha

            (that was me vanishing)

            • outraged

              Thank you, I wasn;t sure…

            • Rasha

              ^_^

      • flyonthewall

        only if u believe

    • flyonthewall

      YAY I’m gettin drunk in front of the kids again!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        You are sooooooooo bad.

    • outraged

      I saw fly….no Jimmy yet…..๐Ÿ‘€

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      Jimmy3 and Fly don’t exist. It was The Hole and Observer impersonating, but they don’t drink, so see you in Cleveland.

      • outraged

        now I’m really confused.
        You just outed Jimmy i.e. Hole as the Jazz impersonator.

        You’re joking right? Hard to tell online. :/

        • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

          Jimmy was impersonating reggaelover.

          • outraged

            I give up.
            Gonna take a sip of this here whiskey I found downstairs….

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Sorry, don’t drink often, but when I do, I fall asleep fast these days. You won’t have to wait long and you take my place in line. You’re welcome.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Good gravy, what happened?! I wasn’t off the grid that long.

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        It appears Fly is still here. Jimmy3 – you just never know.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          More socks, then? Isn’t our sock drawer full yet?

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Dear OSA,
    Excuse us while we recalibrate.
    All will presently be Clear.
    Any shaky images you see are due to a minor tremor on the Bunker.
    Jazz lovers, shamrocks and flies will all settle.
    Socks have been washed and cast into that dryer that loses them.
    We are currently con-structing one for your cult.

    ML
    PA

    ps This is one of your Ideal Orgs :)

    • salin

      Co$ as a frozen outhouse. Love the visual metaphor!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Is there a porch in front?

        • salin

          To the infinite… tundra.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    “No one wants to be the psychotic break girl.”

    Yeah, the CO$ doesn’t seem to handle those to well, do they?
    (refresh)

    • salin

      dropped jaw.

    • Dice

      Wow! what a dork!

    • Sunny

      That is unbelievably sad.
      How terrible we used to believe that! (Well, some of us, I guess).
      Thank god to be out!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I’m starting to think maybe we were in some kind of cult. (Don’t tell Tony I said the C word)

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        So much jumps out at me:

        “Ten years ago, in a failed PTS handling on my family, I was told not to go to my sisters’ daughters christening.”

        “I have not gotten in a car, but I feel like I have handled my upset on driving.”

        “I thank you for all you did to free me as a being from myself!”

        “I am a staff member…”

        SMH

        • SucculentDuck

          makes A LOT more sense when you break it down to just that sequence of words

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Yeah, it sounds great doesn’t it? Makes me want to run down to the local Org to sign up! Yeesh

        • flyonthewall

          when she says she just got her last motivator bc she understood that due to the failed PTS handling 10 yrs ago and the disappointment effect she created what she means is – I’m not mad at my sis for bailing at the last minute bc my failure at handling her objections to Sci created disappointment in her towards me.

          Do I have that right?

          • Rasha

            “I didn’t go to my niece’s christening because of Scientology, so my sister was pissed at me and wouldn’t come to my Scientology building. I wouldn’t have understood that if it weren’t for Scientology!!! You’ve made that clear to me, and you’re the BESTEST!!! Everything is wonderful now! This is hilarious!!”

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          She seems to have a few brain cells still firing and a smidgen of self preservation instincts left. She talks about going/being crazy and psychotic. She is friggin’ apologizing for it. She is very worried that she will be kicked to the curb.

          My guess is that she was put on an amends project of some sort as a last ditch effort and was trying to get her family member in, like some kind of sacrificial offering, to lay down at the altar of the cha ching machine.

          She’s once again pushing down her true feelings, once again not acting when once upon a time she would have. If I was her sister, I’d ask to have someone do a welfare check on this one. She doesn’t sound too far from complete melt down to me. Too may signs of it in that post. A cry for help. Just awful.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            The worst part is that it was posted to motivate other clams to climb the Bridge. The clams read these and rejoice with comments at how great this is. I read them and get an upset stomach worrying how these deluded folks are going to end up. They don’t see what we see.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Some of these posts you see are done as an ethics action, they are trying to bullshit the bullshitters. Some are truly mentally messed up bad. There’s the occasional native born assholes, but I know some of these people. They are unrecognizable. I’ve also seen and experienced how the slow breakdown works. In the Sea Org, not slow. It was hard to believe what I was seeing in front of my own eyes.

              It honest to god is exactly like 1984. Surreal. The insanity inside that place has got to be at an all time high and I really don’t know how anyone is surviving this for much longer.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              I hate to say this but some of the folks that the Orgs post photos of on social media recently, holding certificates, look a little “off” to me. Crazy eyes, drooping smiles, holding their faces oddly – some very disturbed looks. And with strange slumped body postures. Overall just not presenting themselves like someone who has it all together mentally/physically. Often I’ve thought of posting a photo hear for J&D but choose not too because they look like there is some sort of mental impairment going on there. Very upsetting. I’m betting disability checks along with the elderly members’ social security checks is paying a lot of the Orgs’ bills. Sigh…

            • salin

              Can’t be social security checks for long time members, as using religious exemptions, they have not been paid wages while in the Sea Org (something like “stipends” or other non taxable status), which require no payment from Co$ to Social Security as part of the wages. When older staff are kicked to the curb, there is no internal safety net, and there is no external safety net as Co$ has been able to skirt paying into the system (so no payment out of the system.)

              A very serious point of contradiction – “save the planet” as a goal; but avoid paying basic benefits (like social security/medicare wage taxes). Those doing the saving, are extremely vulnerable and have no safety net when they age. Awful.

            • Ella Raitch

              Thanks for your sensitivity…..

          • salin

            While I could read that things were off in her posting, (I read it with the skips to key contradictory points like Intergalactic’s summary read) I could not read between the lines, as I don’t have the lived context.

            You do a yeoman’s job interpreting this for those of us who can only superficially read Scientologese, like a UN interpreter you bring to life what those statements likely mean.

            Thank you.

            Worried for her. Deeply. Yes, just awful.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Still can’t be in a car? What?

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        Yeah, but she’s sure she handled it, Hole.

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      Sad “success story” is sad.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Damn, that was disturbing. The Ls scare me. They really turn your brain to Swiss cheese.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        The L’s are insane. Just insane.

    • Supper Powers

      Oh I have the sads.
      And the vomits.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Exactly. And she starts out with – “This is so hilarious”.
        Someone needs to word clear “hilarious” :(

      • Chee Chalker

        I have the Rons

        • Supper Powers

          You win.

    • Graham

      It’s all about me me me me me.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    I just woke up – what did I miss?

    • salin

      I have been in and out – and still don’t fully get what it is you missed.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        I think we had an attack from a Serial Sock Shifter but Jimmy3 fended him off.

        • Davka

          This is what happens when I come back in the evening – all hell’s broken loose, I’m confused, and I’ve missed it (whatever it is). And I’m not even drunk, dammit!

        • outraged

          Jimmy3 IS the Serial Sock Shifter. Ask Dodo….

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      Mike Rinder bought The Freewinds and we will have a party on it in Cleveland.

      • salin

        Appreciate the spirit of this explanation/debrief.

        • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

          Anytime.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Good morning Dodo. Thanks for the recap.

      • Supper Powers

        I’m so excited!

        • MaxSpaceman

          That totally makes sense.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Don’t believe Dodo, Eivol! Someone already spilled the beans tonight – Cleveland does not exist. Which makes me wonder where Rinder docked the Fleawinds.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        I always believe Dodo! Always!!!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Be sure to pack lots of snacks in your cruise luggage then. Bon voyage!

        • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

          You are very wise, Eivol.

  • Observer

    ..

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      This is a conspiracy. Never trust dragons and cats.

      • Draco

        Excuse me?

        • Juicer77

          She’s got her eye on Dodo! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Is that a cat scratcher or a back scratcher? I could use a back scratcher.

  • salin

    Recommend today’s Bunker. Great post and updates to that post (Go Nora – great and growing coverage of your painful – but instructive story!)

    Tonight’s Aurora photo is from one of the coastal ships along the coast of Norway (from Bergen in the south to Kirkenes along the border with Russia). I did this trip in November of 2011 with my Mom and a cousin – we were watching, but missed Aurora action. Last summer, before her health turned for the worse, My Mom and I read that the Aurora’s were supposed to be extra active this season – and had started talking about making one more trip (her family is all in Norway.) We didn’t get to make that trip – but when I saw this photo – a huge smile crossed my face. Had to share it with you.

    http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=123799&PHPSESSID=jrhkavu7viqvog2oko4op3inh1

    • Rasha

      Striking and lovely. I’m glad they include the EXIF data – I always try to take notes on that. ^_^

  • Jimmy3

    I am sorry I impersonated Jimmy3. The truth is I set my bar way too low. The real Jimmy3 is a slob who gets winded logging in to Netflix. But I OTOH run barefoot marathons backwards to warm up for the real marathon. You can bounce a quarter off my ass and two dimes and a nickel will land. The real Jimmy3 would probably just steal your quarter.

    Again, I’m sorry. Have a nice night.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    (refresh with some magic)

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Gahhh. After that last awful L’s poster, need to leave some cheery music behind, and what could be cheerier than the trombone section playing the Imperial March as seen thru the lens of a GoPro? Nuthin’, that’s what.

    https://youtu.be/HwWQUXnD0oo

  • Gus_Cox

    “We find it interesting that the Rev. Alfreddie Johnson Jr. … can still get himself into a photo with Kelly Preston… given that his entire Southern California operation cratered and several people he worked with have been indicted.”

    Oh, that’s easy! He just said it was the SPs screaming because their stats were so high! I’m sure they all bought it.

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    To all the sock lovers – there better things in life.

    • Jimmy3

      New socks are pretty high up on the list tho. If I was rich, I’d wear a brand new pair of socks every day. Soft, comfy ones.

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        You were banned, leave me alone comfy ghost sock.

        • Jimmy3

          I wasn’t banned. I was a victim of impersonation by an incredibly handsome, extremely intelligent guy who is in really good shape and runs marathons. I don’t know why he was impersonating me, but he was very charming.

          • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

            You need to stop complimenting me like that. Blush.

      • MaxSpaceman

        soft, comfy and generic.:)

      • stanrogers

        A fellow can never have too many socks. Not even if he has the resources of an Empire at his disposal to buy them.

        “Socks. I’ve run out again. Why is it that no matter how many millions of pairs of socks I buy, I never seem to have any? They just disappear! Honestly, you’d think somebody was coming in here, stealing the damned things and selling them off.”

        – HRH George, Prince of Wales and Regent of the United Kindom of Great Britain and Her Empire, to his butler, Mr. Edmund Blackadder (who may, or may not, have a thriving part-time trade in lightly-used gentlemen’s hosiery)

        • MaxSpaceman

          It’s as true for Kings and Princes as it is for Squires and Knaves.

        • Andrew Robertson

          If you live in New Zealand there may be an explanation as to why your socks and underwear keep vanishing. It’s Brigit!

          “New Zealand ‘cat burglar’ caught stealing men’s underwear”
          http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-35859813

          Andrew

        • Mooser42001

          Socks, with clocks, from the Burlington Arcade are one thing. but there is no time, sir, when ties do not matter.

    • salin

      Trolling to disrupt – regardless of the motivation – is still trolling to disrupt. Look how much discussion in the past couple of hours has been devoted to this. Lulz for the sock. No gain for anyone else – just disruption to the discussion, on a day with serious content to discuss.

      Your way of stating this (or a variation of it) was much more succinct. Mine – for the socks was probably tl;dr.

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        Truth is – very few of us know each other. Expect anything.

        • Jimmy3

          Dodo is lying. Never expect nothing.

          • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

            Upvoted on accident. How do I unupvote.

            • Jimmy3

              Make a new sock account and use it to click the upvote arrow again.

            • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

              I don’t have enough brain.

      • Baby

        and that is why I left for awhile.. It get’s old.

        • MaxSpaceman

          and tired. and unbearably boring.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Totally off topic ….but who has two thumbs , and got the raise and bonus structure she asked for ???

    ME !!!!!! RIGHT HERE !!

    http://giphy.com/gifs/primark-d2Z9MFIWUSCUiGDS

    • Frodis73

      Awesome! Congratulations Kim! **pouring you a very stiff drink and passing a fattie your way**

      • Kim O’Brien

        why thank you sista !

        • daisy

          Cogratulations Kim.

    • Jimmy3

      Congrats!!
      You should use some of that money to buy some more thumbs.

    • MaxSpaceman

      (neighborhood will know how well Kim’s doin’ when another Joe turns to wife Betty and goes, Well, dang, Kim must be doing really really well now– there goes another guy in a Sarong 2:30am in the morning.:)

    • Juicer77

      Woo hoo! :)

  • Baby

    You two can be stable too..
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyldjbQeMrM

    • Kim O’Brien

      holy fucking shit

      • Jimmy3

        Well, his name is Colon…

        • Kim O’Brien

          rim shot

        • MaxSpaceman

          He upped for another year with the Mets.

          World Series 2016.

  • MaxSpaceman

    All the activity of one or more commenters impersonating another commenter, or more than one, and posting with that person’s handle today… bizarre. Actually sounds a lot like those folks are affected by the scientology of it all.

    Too much influence of El Ron El Rey technology. LRH:dm:kjm (David & K. Mayo). Copyright (c) 1980. Ron Hubbard

    1950s Ronnie Hubbard: “The original research on
    somatics was done in the late ’50’s in Washington, and I found how a somatic
    comes about. It’s based on the fact that one being by himself couldn’t have a
    somatic. You have to have two beings to have a somatic. (A commenter and a trolling sock puppet).

    A cluster can have a somatic. You wouldn’t ask a question for a BT with a somatic, that would be a
    wrong question and is based on a false datum, and is an out-tech question. You
    could have two or more BTs smashed together somehow producing a somatic, but
    you would have to take up each of these BTs individually to blow them.

    • TexasBroad

      I work hard all day and come back to the place stinkin’ to high heaven of smelly socks! Such a good morning too! Sigh. As for your explanation, well…thanks anyway, but I will have to just be comfortable with not understanding the sock-mentality at all.

      • MaxSpaceman

        I don’t understand it either. I hope I didn’t sound like I know what I’m talking about. I always looked to Howdy to explain what the fuck happened on days like today cuz I really don’t get the whole enchilada

        At one time I made a number of socks over a number of months for myself. Never trying to impersonate another poster: that is malicious, stupid and repugnant. And why Howdy’s quote lives on (about meeting people one has met on the Internet ((in general)) ).

        What I was trying to do by taking on another handle/avi was to eliminate “the personal”. Because from that, sprang all the animosity, hurt feelings and maligned reputations.

        • Supper Powers

          That totally makes sense.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Oh, you have no idea– “everything” it seemed was ‘personal’, if you exchanged comments with ‘anybody’. Over time, I found that to be like too much; I’m here for what Tony O writes, not for dozens of anonymous people I’ll never know or have anything to do with, commenting on my Scientology comments with sh1t I could care less about responding to.

            — Yet, at the same time, there are people that “touch” you, so it’s impossible not to be human and respond with friendship and compassion and fun to and with their comments.

            But- it became a grind. I thought I could get out of it by creating other handles/avi’s.

            (Well, Howdy and Eckert put that idea in the waste basket. They (the handles) were always seen as “me” within a day or two. But, over time, I did try to get out of the “personal” and became “Sam Houston”; “Galactic Greg”; “ScientololOhGee!” ; “Asthmatic Dwarf”; “BeverlyHillsBeer; BeverlyHills Be Do Have; DangDadgummit; and Dagnabit.

            I often wish to go back to one of those and be more anonymous than Spaceman. But, not to be.

            • Supper Powers

              That totally makes sense.

            • TexasBroad

              Funny that you were some of those commenters – I remember two or three of them. I didn’t know they were you — I never catch it and I was always in awe of Howdy’s super skills. I guess, to me, it doesn’t matter if there is still VALUE in the comment. The socks to agitate and irritate are a grind.
              I LIKE the personal and when you get to “know” a commenter – their point of view and their opinion- you get a better context for all of their comments..that is likely the reason Howdy and Eckert busted your impersonations.
              On IRL busy nights, when I can only do a fast scroll and catch my favorite commenters, “Max Spaceman” is a name that stops my scroll.

            • MaxSpaceman

              I have the same pull toward your comments, too Texas — and you used to not be around so often. You’d be off for weeks and weeks at a time, IIRC.

            • TexasBroad

              I lurked since VV days. I have a great kid who has some needs which requires a lot of my time and attention…sometimes, all of it. I also own my own business, which also takes a lot of time and attention but became necessary for the flexibility in schedule it allows so I’m available as needed and when needed. Truth be told, I have no business spending as much time here as I do, but I do it because it is “my time” and something that is important to me. Even when I don’t comment for weeks, I read the post everyday and always start and end my day reading as many comments as I can catch.
              ETA: And that is more personal than I tend to be and now I TOTALLY get your anonymous sock thing!

            • Ella Raitch

              I remember Galactic Greg and Asthmatic Dwarf. I’ve morphed from tetloj to elar aitch to finally Ella Raitch, but only one at a time and always told people I was changing.

        • Baby

          and I knew you the whole time..couldn’t hide from me..

          • outraged

            Hey BAby!! Did you hear what happened on the Bunker today?
            I’m still confused and I was there.
            Need you to ‘splain it to me.
            If this makes no sense, read thru my comments. lol

            • Baby

              What.. ? I came in and there were some socks.. is that what cha mean Outraged? I left for awhile because I didn’t have time for that bull shit..

            • outraged

              Socks or members pretending to be trolls? Hard to tell when people are kidding around here. lol

            • Baby

              Good Lord.. I could NOT figure it out Outraged.. I don’t do Puzzles..ha

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    I absolutely love my new iPad pro… the speed of the processor and screen size mean I can revisit some apps I’d forgotten about…. I did this late last night a bit worse for wear and and would have to say it sums up the relationship between COB and tiny tommy perfectly… exchanging thetans or something… hope someone makes a gif of it and speeds it up a little…. I can confidently predict many ‘late night’ shenanigans of similar ilk

    … it’s at the bottom of my latest blog post but here’s the direct link

    https://www.scientologybollocks.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IMG_2157.mp4?_=1

    • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

      another app…. Alien bursting out of Will Smith…. the Cruise Globe of Horror

      • Baby

        OK..now THAT is cool..

      • PRenaud

        Love it, alien looks more like Jaden, Hubbard’s reincarnation…

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    very latest pic of Suri… she’s starting to look different … still nothing like her “dad” IMO

    • TheMirrorThetan

      She looks exactly like that other Mapother actor- William? I think it is.
      I remember his face from when he was on an episode of NCIS.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Good Grief! I know that Miscavige is small but this photo that the CO$ has posted makes him look positively microscopic! HaHa!

    (refresh)

    • Graham

      According to the caption it’s Sherman who’s standing there, reminiscing in his unique style about the flabby fraud’s journey to the ‘mysterious Orient’ where he “lifted veils cloaking the magic of those distant domains.” [pass the sick bag someone]

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Oops, RU right. I was looking at all of the photos they posted and I guess I just assumed that anyone depicted as being that tiny must be Miscavige! ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • Eivol Ekdal

          You can tell ’cause his waist is even with the top of the podium.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I’m so unused to seeing anyone else up there! It’s still a great pic.

  • Juicer77

    I get some sleep and come back to find this place a mess! At least the spitball contest is done. *grabs the anti-bac spray and a broom and starts sweeping up*

    • Draco

      IKR? I also missed all the excitement. The best stuff happens when we are asleep.

    • Illinoisian

      I missed it too. Took me an hour to backtrack over the comments to figure out what happened. Being groggy didn’t make it any easier. (I’m only up at this hour because our doggie was having a bad night.)

      • Juicer77

        Poor puppy. Give him/her some extra lovings from me.

        • Illinoisian

          Will do. He’s feeling better. We are in a ‘balancing medications’ situation and had to give him a slightly larger dose of one of his meds. He’s now his normal spunky self.

  • Graham

    Breaking news: terrorists have killed 35 people at a Brussels airport, with explosion also on underground. Whole city has come to a stand-still. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35869254

  • Illinoisian

    New post up.

  • Cindy

    Kirstie Alley is tweeting like crazy trying to find information about Belgium. She said she was on a ship at sea and had limited internet access. Freewinds?

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