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30 years ago today: ‘L. Ron Hubbard discarded the body he had used in this lifetime’

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[Pat Broeker gives a lip-smacking performance]

On Friday, January 24, 1986, L. Ron Hubbard, then 74 years old, went to his reward after suffering a stroke at the Creston, California ranch where he’d been hiding out for several years. Three days later, the top management of Scientology gathered Sea Org, staff, and public members of the organization at the Hollywood Palladium in order to announce the news of Hubbard’s death, which up to that point they had successfully managed to keep from the press.

The young managers of Scientology wanted that news to come from them, and not “on other lines.”

Video of the briefing that was held at the Palladium has been online for a long time, and to many of the readers of the Underground Bunker it’s probably very familiar. But on this, the 30th anniversary of that singular event, we thought we’d take another look at it and also talk to some of the people who were there that night and were hearing this news for the first time. We think you’ll find what they had to say pretty interesting.

But first, let’s look at the tape and remember how the news of Hubbard’s death was broken to his followers. For the first part, watching the event again, we hadn’t really noticed before that it started out with some pretty bizarre music to set a very eerie mood…

 

 
Then David Miscavige comes out on stage, and the first thing he says is, “My name is David Miscavige.” If that seems superfluous, keep in mind that Miscavige was not so well known then to the non-Sea Org members of Scientology. We’ve talked to people who were in the audience who had never even heard of Miscavige when he came out on stage.

 

 
Miscavige then famously delivers the news that L. Ron Hubbard had not in fact “died,” but had decided quite voluntarily to leave his body so he could continue to do “research” in an incorporeal state. Says Miscavige…

He has now moved on to his next OT…level of OT research. This level is beyond anything any one of us ever imagined. This level is in fact done in an exterior state. Meaning, that it is done completely exterior from the body. At this level of OT, the body is nothing more than an impediment, an encumbrance to any further gain as an OT. Thus…Thus, at 2000 hours Friday, the 24th of January, A.D. 36, L. Ron Hubbard discarded the body he had used in this lifetime for 74 years, 10 months, and 11 days. The body he had used to facilitate his existence in this MEST universe had ceased to be useful and in fact had become an impediment to the work he now must do outside of its confines. We felt it was important as Scientologists, that you were the first to become aware of this fact. I can understand that many of you are probably experiencing the effect of a secondary. However, it is important that you can put this into the proper perspective.

After an arcane technical description, Miscavige winds up his unlikely tale…

The being we knew as L. Ron Hubbard still exists. However, the body he had could no longer serve his purposes. This decision was one made at complete cause by L. Ron Hubbard. Although you may feel grief, understand that he did not and does not now. He has simply moved on to his next step.

After extended applause (Segment 3), Miscavige calls up attorney Earle Cooley to add a real whopper on top of the story told so far. (Segment 4)

After explaining that Hubbard had given instructions that he be cremated and that his ashes should be scattered at sea — which Cooley made sure was done — he then tells the biggest lie of the night: “The body of L. Ron Hubbard was sound and strong, and fully capable of serving this mighty thetan for many years, had that suited his purposes.”

That’s contradicted by the testimony of Steve “Sarge” Pfauth, the Creston ranch caretaker who was interviewed by Lawrence Wright for his book Going Clear, and by Marty Rathbun for his book Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior. Pfauth, consistent with others, described Hubbard’s failing health in his final months as he was debilitated by a series of strokes.

Cooley then explains that he had seen Hubbard’s will, in which Hubbard had left everything to Scientology after making “generous” gifts to his wife and family. (This was another contested fact. Pfauth said Hubbard was in no shape to be making the last-minute changes that were made to his final will.)

Cooley then expresses confidence in the current management of the church, and there’s more extended applause. (Segment 5.)

Miscavige then brings on Pat Broeker, who, along with his wife Annie, had been with Hubbard during the years he had gone into total seclusion after February 1980. (Segment 6.) Pat once again reiterates that “Yes, it was absolutely his causative decision to discard that body.” And now it’s Pat’s job to explain just what amazing things Hubbard was up to in his final years. He had finished OT 8, Pat says, and had gone on to write OT 9 and 10 (something Marty Rathbun later denied).

And while he was working on OT 10 and researching the “Whole Track” — Scientology jargon for the entire history of the universe — Hubbard had managed to go back in time an incredible distance. To prove that, Broeker holds up a piece of paper with a massive set of numbers on it.

“This, there, is a date,” he says, to the astonishment of the audience.

 
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In 2012, when your proprietor was at the Village Voice, we wrote this about LRH’s big number…

Now, I did my best to read that fuzzy image, and to my eyes, that looks like the number “24” followed by a whole lot of other numbers, separated by commas. I counted ten sets of three digits across by 11 rows, plus five more sets on the top row. (In a number that large, all of the numbers after the first couple might as well be zeroes). My count came to 24 followed by 345 zeroes. Which, I kid you not, can be expressed this way: 24 billion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion years. (I checked this with a friend who is a radar systems engineer and telescope builder. He confirmed my method to come up with the number, but couldn’t seem to stop laughing.) [Chuck] Beatty was in the audience that night, and tells me that seeing that number thrilled the Scientologists in attendance. If Hubbard could go back that far into his own past, they would someday as well. (When you put it that way, $8,000 for 12.5 hours of counseling sounds positively cheap!)

Broeker goes on to say that it took Hubbard two years to complete OT 9 (“Orders of Magnitude”) and OT 10 (“Character”), and then, in the summer of 1984, he began telling the Broekers that there would soon come a point at which it would be time for him to move on from this planet. (Segment 7.) Broeker announced (Segment 8) that Scientology’s senior case supervisor international, Ray Mithoff, would be the first to do the new OT 8, and that Pat would be case-supervising him. OT 9 and 10 were written up and waiting, he says, and Hubbard had also written up “the OT level you get when you discard the body.” He then nervously adds, “Now, don’t take that as an invitation,” and there’s laughter in the crowd. (And remember, this is just a little over seven years after Jim Jones’s Peoples Temple had committed mass suicide, making this moment even more funny ha-ha.) Pat then makes an important announcement on Segment 9 — “There is only one Source,” he says, and “Source does not pass to management.” In other words, no one will be replacing L. Ron Hubbard as the source of “technology” for the Church of Scientology. After more applause (Segment 10), Miscavige then introduces former Apollo captain Norman Starkey, who then reads (Segment 11) a dreary “funeral service” written by Hubbard himself. (And so much for the “discard the body” idea.) “Your debts are paid,” Starkey says of Hubbard, but actually written by Hubbard. Odd.

There’s more odd music, and then in Segment 12 Miscavige brings on the commanding officer of the Commodore’s Messenger Organization, Marc Yager (since 2004, confined to “The Hole”), the Executive Director International, Guillaume Lesevre (The Hole), Inspector General of RTC, Vicki Aznaran (who left Scientology and was involved in litigation against the church before settling and going silent), and the president of the Church of Scientology International, Heber Jentzsch (The Hole).

Yager (Segment 13) and then Jentzsch (Segment 14) say some happy words about management continuing the objectives set out by Hubbard, and clearing the planet. And then finally, Miscavige ends things by introducing a few words by Hubbard on tape (Segment 15), which puts an eerie finish on an eerie event.

“Thank you very much for being here. I appreciate what you’re doing. I need your help, and I’m very grateful for what you have done. Goodbye for now. I will see you up the line at the other end of the Bridge.”

Amy Scobee tells us that at the time she was in the Commodore’s Messenger Organization and was assigned to the International or “Gold” Base near Hemet. She said that the order came for a mandatory event in Los Angeles, and so almost the entire base was shuttled there on buses, leaving behind only a skeleton crew.

Gary “Jackson” Morehead was on that crew. As head of security at the base, he stayed there with a handful of people he had to keep an eye on. He didn’t hear about what was said at the briefing until later. Sinar Parman, who had been Hubbard’s chef before Hubbard went into hiding, was watching the event via satellite from Creston ranch — he had driven up there the day after Hubbard’s death.

Amy arrived at the Palladium, a venue she had not been to before. Usually, Scientology events were held at the Shrine Auditorium. (The Palladium was very familiar to us at the time. We saw many shows there in the early 1980s, including Big Audio Dynamite and the B-52s. It was a great venue for seeing a band — it had no seats, just a giant dance floor. For this event, chairs had been brought in, but you can see on the tape that there is no slope to the seating.)

“I remember right where I sat. If I’m facing the stage, to the right, about 15 rows back,” Amy remembers. “I had never seen Pat Broeker before in my life, I didn’t know who he was. Miscavige I knew existed, but I’d never had any interaction with him. He was ASI [Author Services Inc., L. Ron Hubbard’s literary agency]. I had been at Int Base by 1983.”

We asked Amy what her reaction was when Miscavige explained that Hubbard had discarded his body.

“OK, so he’s going to continue his research,” she says, remembering how she thought then, as a hardcore member of the Sea Org. “Most people had never met him, so it wasn’t like people were breaking down with grief. We were all about having our TRs in and that we’re not our bodies. I think that the less indoctrinated people were the ones you can hear gasp. Because we were trained not to have ‘human emotions and reactions’ — they actually call it HE&R,” she says with a laugh. “The only discussion we really had was how does the CMO continue without a commodore to be messengers for.”

Jefferson Hawkins, meanwhile, was sitting in the balcony. He was immersed in running the wildly successful Dianetics television advertising campaign, with the exploding volcano imagery that became so familiar to anyone who watched TV at the time. We asked him to think back to hearing the announcement for the first time.

“I felt a little choked up. I was a true believer at the time. But no, you can’t show any emotion. We’re not going to show any emotion. He did this causatively,” Hawkins remembers thinking. “He’ll see us all up the line, we shouldn’t be sad. We shouldn’t be low-toned about it. We should be stoic about it.”

But he said that people also understood what was really going on.

“I understood what they were saying and what they were trying to do, that they were trying to sugar coat the news that he’d died. I think the gasp you hear was partially, oh my gosh, he’s dead. But also, a little bit of what the hell is going to happen now?”

We told Jeff that it seemed to us that Miscavige and Broeker seem somewhat terrified. Were they worried that they might lose control of the organization once its founder had died?

“I’m sure they were a bit freaked out. But I also think Miscavige must have been relieved, because Hubbard had become an impediment to what Miscavige wanted to do,” he says.

Some people were genuinely overcome with grief, Marc Headley remembers. He was only 13 years old at the time, and he had been kept in the lobby during the briefing. But he vividly remembers seeing some of the adults coming out of the event in tears, and seeing some people getting Scientology processing on the spot.

“People were getting locationals right there in the lobby,” he says. “They were told, ‘look at that wall,’ and so on. It was wild.”

Mike Rinder was there, but barely remembers the event at all. “I was on the RPF. I don’t remember it well, probably because I wasn’t sleeping.”

The next morning, back at Int Base, Amy Scobee says they all braced themselves for what they assumed would be a mountain of press coverage on Hubbard’s death now that the news had become public.

“We were checking to see if there was anything on the radio about Hubbard dying. My friend Tom Ashforth, he was checking the news, and he said, no one is talkng about LRH, everyone is talking about the Challenger blowing up. Wait, what do you mean? I said. I ran to the garage, where there was the only phone I knew I could use, and I called my dad.”

Her father’s brother, Francis R. “Dick” Scobee, she knew, was the commander of the shuttle Challenger that had been scheduled to fly into space that day, January 28. She now learned what the rest of the world was talking about, that the Challenger had disintegrated after take-off.

“We thought Hubbard would be in the news, but it was overshadowed by catastrophe,” she says.

We have one more item from the LRH death briefing. It’s the telex that was sent out afterwards to the orgs around the world, supplied to us by a tipster who heard it read out at the New York org.

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An event has just been held in Los Angeles at 1900 hours Monday 27 Jan. A video of this briefing is being rushed to your org to brief all staff and public. The following is to inform you at once of the news in this briefing. Upon receipt of this telex call a meeting and read this briefing to your staff and public: “LRH has been doing intensive research into the upper OT levels in the past several years. You have already witnessed this. With the release of New OT 7/Solo NOTs. Also, you heard in RJ 39 that OT 8 is fully ready for release. LRH has researched many more OT levels above this. His next level of OT research is done in a fully exterior state. In order to do this, LRH left his body on Friday, 24 January, 1986. This was absolutely his (UL) causative decision. Ron spent the last several years on a ranch in central California intensively working to complete the final upper level OT research completing the Bridge to Full OT. This is now done. What he came to do he did. He finished his job here. LRH wanted it expressly stated to you that there was to be no grief. No mourning. He also is absolutely confident that he will complete the job of clearing this planet letting him continue to wear his hat of researching upper OT levels and paving the way for us. You will be receiving a full video (it’s being rushed to you now) of the briefing held in Los Angeles containing all the information LRH wanted you to have and it will answer all your questions.” LRH wants Scientologists to see this as another giant step in the research he is doing. He has fully entrusted us to complete the job of clearing this planet with the exact (UL) application of his technology. I am counting on you as LRH’s communicator and personal PROs to relay this message as LRH requested it to be. ML LRH PR NW EXEC CMOI

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Hey, it’s the Clearwater Scientology choir!

 
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Youth for Human Rights invades a Mexican classroom. (Thanks, Legoland.)

 
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The Way to Happiness volunteer Gary Levin with his buddies in the LAPD in Hollywood.

 
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Actual caption: “We just paid for my son’s training package at Tampa Org. He will soon be a class 5 auditor and coaudit to Clear. He is 11!!!! What a future”

 
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  • sizzle8

    Recollections from Steve ‘Sarge’ Pfauth who helped take care of and was present when LRH died,

    “I know that Gene Denk left during Xmas and New Years (Dec 1985-Jan 1986) to be with his wife in Lake Tahoe. He returned in early Jan.
    Ray Mithoff, who was Senior C/S Int, was brought in by Pat about a week before LRH’s passing to run a death assist process on LRH. LRH had had a stroke and wanted to die.
    Pat came back to the Creston ranch from Int a day before LRH left (died). Pat brought another last will for LRH to sign.
    I went in the Bluebird motorhome as a witness to the signing. LRH was in his nightgown and was pacing up and down complaining that his head hurt and to please get this over with. He sat down and signed the will and I witnessed it along with I think Annie.
    The next night Annie, Gene and I waited in the stables apartment drinking coffee and waiting to hear that he is gone. Pat and Ray were in the bluebird. About 3 or 4 am Pat came in and said ‘He is gone!’.I was stunned even though I knew it was going to happen. Annie looked stunned too. After a while we were both crying.
    Pat took off right away and met DM and others to show them how to get to the ranch. The coroner was called in when Pat returned. I was asked to witness the death cert and I saw LRH’s dead body in his bed. I had to get busy with feeding the animals and handling the contractors and got to the store and buy food etc.

    LRH sent for Ray(Snr C/S) to run death assist processes which help to let go of the body. He had said that he wanted to leave and do rehab by circling a specific star. He was going to find another place to go to and not come back here (earth). He said he had failed with Scientology on this planet and he wanted to rehab and start over somewhere else.

    I knew Vaughan Young. He was brought to the ranch by Pat Broeker to develope a shore story for newspapers and the Scn public. Much of what Vaughn wrote is fabrication and supposition. Please don’t take his rantings as fact. They are not.
    LRH was doing very well in 1983 and was very active and used to go for walks and drives around the property. In 1984 he had some physical problems and Gene Denk was brought to Creston as his doctor. He was still active much of the time in early 1984 but toward the end of 84 he was in bad health and didn’t leave the Bluebird often.
    Pat was gone from the ranch a lot starting in 84 and would only spend a few days a week then toward the end would be gone for weeks at a time. LRH was mad at him I know. I don’t know the specifics.
    In Jan of 1985 Annie came to me and said LRH was very sick. We tried to get hold of Pat but couldn’t. Gene insisted that LRH needed to go to the hospital. So Annie, Gene and myself loaded LRH into the back of our station wagon and Annie and Gene took LRH to the hospital in Santa Maria. Gene told me that LRH had pancreatitis and was very sick.
    Annie finally got hold of Pat. LRH spent about 5 days in the hospital and was released. Pat came to the ranch and we went to Santa Maria and picked LRH up and drove him home. During the time in the hospital LRH quit smoking. He came home but still wasn’t very active and stayed in the Bluebird motorhome a lot.
    LRH was in ill health most of 1985. Pat again was gone most of the time and would make an appearance in the middle of the night with some com or he would call and I would meet him to get the com. I don’t know and didn’t know at the time that he had had a stroke. I knew he was sick but I assumed it was the pancreatitis still bothering him.
    Again, LRH was in ill health and wanted to drop the body because it was a big problem for him. He wanted to move on. When he had Ray come to the ranch it was to help him drop the body via death assist processes. It worked and he died.
    LRH was bed ridden most of the last week or so. He could get up but was very shakey and his hands were shaking when he signed the will. LRH told me that there was a specific star that ‘they’ used to use for rehab. He would circle the star for a while and get better.”

    • BosonStark

      One thing that is conspicuously lacking in Sarge’s account is mention of Hubbard’s level of ability to express himself. Was he babbling like he was out of his mind, saying things that could not be understood, or was he coherent when he talked about wanting to rehab by circling a star. It would be good to know this, just to get an idea that he was coherent enough to be signing a will or even knew what he was doing. Sarge talks about Hubbard not feeling well, but does not describe his appearance, or many things that would be unflattering.

      The only reason Wright got the story out of Sarge about the BT-zapper was he kept probing.

      It would be good to get Pat Broeker’s account of what Hubbard was like.

  • nottrue

    One reason you never saw Broeker again…That was just one of his suitcases

  • The music sounds like a Jaws rip-off. Okay, maybe that’s just my opinion. But it carries an undertone. And I suppose that’s fitting. Shark feast.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Jaws-Meets-Star Trek

  • Richard

    David Miscavige has come a long way in the last thirty years. Just look at one of the podiums he uses today compared to the one he used to announce LRH’s next science fiction chapter in 1986.

    When you first look at this latest photo of Captain Miscavige at the IAS event last October, something like “Beam me up Ron” comes to mind. But look closer, maybe with the help of the same photo in miniature below it, and what do you see?

    • Dr_Orpheus

      I wonder if a typical Sea Orger could make as much in twenty years as that stage cost to build.

    • Sherbet

      I see Xenu looking at me. Make him stop.

      • FredEX2

        OMG it IS Xenu. Pay attention to the signs those still in Scientology! You don’t need the Internet…it’s right in front of you. Xenu is Miscarriage!!!

        • Sherbet

          And the audience runs out the door.

          • FredEX2

            That’s just it Sherbet…they don’t….They just sit there…clapping like mesmerized/hypnotized/brainwashed Sheeple. Why don’t they recognize him? 👽 🙂

            • Sherbet

              Maybe they needed 3D glasses.

            • FredEX2

              So much for going ‘clear’ while in…you can see the truth much more clearly once out and at a distance.

              Yep! There he is, Lord Xenu disguised as Miscarriage. So many are fooled.

    • Illinoisian

      David Miscavige has become the mustache on a highly stylized image of a glowering William Powell.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        William Powell… or Clifton Webb???

        • Illinoisian

          I don’t think the mustache is dark enough, but here you go . . .

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            You are too kind!

  • segment 2, 02:50 – ish, “thus at two thousand hours, Friday..”

    I think Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige means “twenty-hundred hours” (correct mil-speak for 8pm)

    • Rasha

      Fakey navy even has fakey O’Clocks.

    • MarcabExpat

      Now, don’t be disrespectful — that’s the traditional usage, from Two Corinthians. This is an ecclesiastical event, after all.

  • SucculentDuck

    apologies if this has been discussed already: does anyone have any ideas about what might happen to the chain of command when Dinky Mismanage incorporealizes? will that be the final nail or is there a plan in place to keep treading water indefinitely? i’m curious to hear what you all think might happen when this program needs a serious firmware update post Reigning COB.

    • I think that the demise of Miscavige will result in chaos – unrestricted civil war between people who want to take power while others work on ‘liberating’ some of the sums of money that have been hidden away over the years. Maybe even a few outsiders piling in, with cons and offers of support for the various contenders.

      There is litle chance that power will be passed on peacefully because Miscavige has, over the years, systematically destroyed anybody whom he thinks might threaten his position. If anyone were to take over from him, as he took over from Hubbard, they will be unknown at this time because, if he knew who they were, they would be out of the door.

      The CofS just does not have the numbers or the organisational intergrity to survive the passing of another ‘leader’. I can see several factions fighting each other over who has the right to the ‘churches’ financial reserves – which will put them beyond use. The organisation will quickly become so fragmented that, for all intents and purposes, it will no longer exist.

      The previous transfer of power led to an exodus of members which the CofS never quite recovered from. Even today, there are barely enough Scientologists for the organisation to be viable. It could not even survive a quick, clean, coup. A ‘civil war’ will bring it down.

      • SucculentDuck

        thanks for the informative reply, Once_Born. i foresee lots of puzzled (or relieved) looks and shoulder shrugging until it implodes from lack of direction. in your opinion, is there even a remote possibility that someone, over time, could (or would want to) return to “correct source” as written by LRH or are we too far past the point of anyone making sense of it in this day and age?

        • grundoon

          “Correct source” was whatever L. Ron Hubbard said that day. He changed it all the time and frequently contradicted himself. Still, there are some “independent Scientologists” who claim to adhere to “100% standard LRH tech.”

          • SucculentDuck

            agreed. with most of the previously confidential/contradictory info available at our fingertips, i think it would be very difficult for anyone to salvage. not that someone with cojones grande won’t try.

        • Scientology is a mass of often self -contradictory nonsense that was put together on a ad hoc basis over a period of decades. It has no connection with reality, and does not ‘work’ in any meaningful way, despite the claims made by Independents.

          Scientology is also dated and increasingly irrelevant. Conceived in the 1950s its space opera scenarios are silent on so many modern concerns – the far-reaching social changes brought about by unbiqutous computers and the Internet, AI, genetic engineering, electronic surviellence and big data to name but a few. Instead, Hubbard bangs on about the threats of drugs, atomic war and communism.

          During his life, Hubbard continually changed Scientology to respond to various challanges. There never was any stable ‘true faith’ to return to. It was a work in progress which stopped developing when Miscavige took over. Unwilling to supply new revelations he established that Hubbards’ word was unalterable truth… and altered it when it was inconvenient – the worst of both worlds.

          Scientologys’ central problem today is that it is becoming a ‘religion’ with lots of money and buildings but no members , no contemporary appeal and a truly terrible reputation. Recruitment seems to have become practically impossible. Playing with the fine details of doctrine (which will alienate more Scientologists and mean nothing to the general public) is not a solution.

          Scientology is an idea whose time has been and gone. You can’t sell it any more.

      • Missionary Kid

        Good points. According to my ex $cientologist friends, Ratcavige has “squirreled” all the aspects of the originally convoluted and perverse $cientology system in order to put himself at the top and to make sure that he has absolute power over his minions. He’s also attacked anyone who might be a replacement, to ensure his position. There is no heir apparent.

        Ratcavige is the Stalin to Hubbard’s Lenin, but at least the Soviet system had a legislative body that had some power, which $cientology doesn’t have.

        As a consequence, there is nobody who can take his place. in addition, there is no mechanism for an orderly transition of power.

        • Which makes it all the more puzzling that Miscavige announced that, ‘Source does not transfer to management” at Hubbards’ bizarre wake.

          If he had established himself as a legimate source of revelation from the get-go he could not have accused of being a ‘squirrel’ any more than Hubbard would have been when he announced new ‘research’.

          By now, the Scientologists who objected could have been replaced by new recruits and the next generation, who would accept this as they accepted the rest of the deal.

          Encouragingly, according to the sociologist Rodney Stark, one of the things that a new religious movement needs to do if it is to become slef-sustaining is to extablish good governance – that is, an effective organisation. Miscaviges’ regime is as far from this as it is possible to be.

          Stark describes a number of other criteria, too, almost all of which Scientology has signally failed to achieve. https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/06/28/the-decline-of-scientology/

          • Missionary Kid

            Ratcavige didn’t and doesn’t have the foresight to plan ahead. I believe he operates out of fear – his own and the fear of those under him. Take away the fear, and nearly everyone will start to wake up. Since his focus is all on himself, he really doesn’t care what happens to $cientology, as long as he stays in charge.

            I say, let the little squidget stay in power. By his evil, he’s doing more to destroy the evil of $cientology than any outsider could. Unfortunately, there will always be the true believers who think that Hubbard is, in essence, god. When Ratcavige has abandoned them for his escape from prosecution, they will be convinced that big pharma or the psychs did it. They cannot see that $cientology has, in its DNA, the seeds of its own destruction.

            • SucculentDuck

              i like that Li’l Squidgey is in power for those same reasons, Missionary Kid. 2016 has me thinking, “how much longer can he last?” … maybe 20yrs at most? far less if he’s on the juice, raging daily, drinking and smoking. tick. tock.

            • Missionary Kid

              There are hereditary factors at play, as well as the obsessive way in which the little runt takes care of himself, so I’m hoping he has a long life in jail.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        i want to know who will be stealing the files and folders of anyone they can grab, with special emphasis on certain members ( you know who) and then selling info to the highest bidder?!…

        • I would rather see them treated like the files of the East German Stazi – but you’re right, there is likely to be a free-for -all.

  • RK

    Me and my friends received a phone call from a friend in Los Angeles alerting us that all the orgs in L.A. were closing and everyone, staff and public, was supposed to go immediately to an event. This was unique, because the orgs never closed. We talked about what it possibly could be and all agreed that something must have happened to Hubbard. Right after the event, our friend called us and confirmed that he had passed. I went to the event at my local org the next day to view the video. I thought the story about him discarding his body to do further research was ridiculous. I thought that the people who were speaking had created a story and felt that it was unnecessary. Hubbard was 74 years old. How long did people expect him to live? My thought was, “If this were true, how would he hope to communicate the results of his research to us?” My second thought was, “Who is going to be in charge now?” I was astounded that people around me seemed to accept the explanation at face value, without question, and were willing to transfer their loyalty automatically to the various leaders, including Miscavige.

    • Missionary Kid

      Was the event part of your waking up and leaving?

  • Newiga

    I always find it interesting to learn how Scientologists felt about the event and LRH dying. I mean the old geezer was seen as bigger than life. Was it like “Of course he discarded his body to continue research!”? Was there also grief?

    Anyhow, the event is truly eerie with a bizarre North Koreanesque feel to it. A conclusion to a myth about a Science Fiction writer who founded a “religion”.

    All this reminds me how baffled I was, when I first fell down the rabbit hole, about each Scientology org having a maintained office for the dead founder… Almost like a shrine, right?

    • scottmercer

      Which makes me wonder when some grifter born after 1986 will show up claiming to be the reincarnation of Hubs and demanding control of everything. (I know Hubbard once said he would be reincarnated as the son of Diana…does Diana even have a son???)

      • Newiga

        No, she doesn’t. She has a daughter called Roanne.

  • Ben Franklin

    Just few questions that I hope some in the know may be able to answer:

    Does anyone know what happened to the Horses at the ranch after Hubbard died? Are these the horses that Pat Broeker was thinking going to take care of instead of being involved in day to day Scientology matters?.

    I have also seen in some writings that Hubbard was either afraid of or allergic to horses, is there any truth to this? I wonder how Hubbard would choose to live in a horse ranch if he did not like horses or was allergic to them.

    • Observer

      As of this past July there were horses there. Quite a few, in fact.

      • Ben Franklin

        Who takes care of the horses nowadays? The Sea Org?

        • flyonthewall

          you’re very interested in these horses? Why? You want to eat them or something? Glue a horn on their head and make them unicorns? What’s the angle here?

          • Observer

            Maybe he needs glue

          • Ben Franklin

            No. I am not even a horse person. I am just a curious person. What peaked my interest is the fact that Terri Gamboa who is one of the principal figures in this whole saga owns a horse property in Las Vegas and I couldn’t help wondering if perhaps some of LRH’s horses may have ended up in Gamboa’s possession. The way Executors were being replaced on Hubbard’s will at the last minute before his death seems a bit shady to me.

            • flyonthewall

              ok but I’ve got my eye on you *eyes Ben suspiciously*

            • Ben Franklin

              LOL. Don’t do it as you will never see me near a horse.

            • flyonthewall

              Gamboa and the “Las Vegas” group were in the mortgage business, don’t think she had any horses

            • Ben Franklin

              Well… she now does, It is called “Las Vegas Nevada Horse Property”

              http://www.terrigamboa.com/

            • flyonthewall

              nice find

            • CLEARly pissed off

              Maybe Terri got some of the horses originally but I know at the moment she has nothing to do with SCN whatsoever, after you know, the usual, SCN having PI’s on her etc. This could have been a decade or more ago however.

            • Ben Franklin

              She is very much in the public, but, I don’t think she talks in public about her involvement with Scientology

        • Observer

          I doubt it. It would be far too easy to blow from there. We saw a couple of people mowing, and no more than four vehicles, at least one of which I suspect was that of an outside contractor. It’s probably just a few caretakers and possibly some hired help.

          • Cosmo Pidgeon

            Maybe it’s Jenna Elfman that cares for them.

            • Newiga

              NOOOOOOOO! T_T Poor horses!

            • Observer

              Only if they get Netflix out there

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              A Horse Named Netlfix?

            • Draco

              You’re so bad!

            • scottmercer

              Fist bump.

    • Observer

      You can see a few of the horses ‘here.

      F5

      • Ben Franklin

        Maybe there is an underground complex at the compound.

      • Graham

        According to Atack’s Piece of Blue Sky Hubbard had about 35 quarter horses, four buffaloes, a pair of llamas and several Black Angus cattle, including his favourite bull Bubba. A bull called Bubba? You couldn’t make this stuff up!

        • Missionary Kid

          Bubba could have been named before the Hubster bought it.

        • Then Miscavige ate them all for dinner.

          • Sherbet

            Llama Parmegiana

          • Graham

            I think Miscavige would be well advised to steer clear of Bubba (Tho perhaps someday he won’t have any choice in the matter).

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Have any of the Brits, Once_Born in particular, heard from RBE recently?

    • Newiga

      🙁 I hope everything’s OK with RBE. I though I’d just missed him due to my holiday and all….

    • No, actually, not for some time.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Damn, I had high hopes you would know. I’m certain he is just very busy with work and his family.

        • pluvo

          If I’m not mistaken his comments are deleted. I checked various days of last year with “RBE” on google, and when searching in the comments section they weren’t there but many deleted posts. Maybe you could check this out on your disqus account.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Hmm, that would lead me to believe he has taken a rather determined break. I do hope he is okay. He is a lovely man.

        • If he turns up, I will pass on your concern.

          That said, I will likely be going dark (or at least not being so active) for four weeks, starting next Monday. I’ll be back, after that time, however.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Thanks, O_B 🙂 You’ll be missed for a month.

          • Graham

            Look after yourself. I look forward to your return.

          • beauty for ashes

            Not another plastic surgery Once Born!
            Just kidding:) it could be good news or bad news but it is none of my business so I will just say I hope it all comes out to your benefit.!

            • I cant’ afford that much plastic.

              It’s just something that has to be done (and isn’t bad). Still here until Monday. too.

            • beauty for ashes

              Glad to hear it!

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Okay but please do tell why if you can. And make sure to at least skim the headlines because a lot can happen here in a month!!

            • Nothing bad – and I’ll definitely be lurking.

    • Graham

      Not me.

  • Missionary Kid

    I just turned on the TV, and After Earth is showing on FXX. I think they were trying to make it kind of like Avatar in some ways. It’s paced really crappily. I’m not going to bother with it.

    • One Human

      I tried twice, but fell asleep at about 15 minutes both times.

      • Missionary Kid

        It’s obviously a sleep aid, but if you leave it on, it could lead to nightmares.

    • It was okay as far as visuals and action goes, but it lacked any substance.

  • Jimmy3

    Meanwhile, at a county jail somewhere here on Teegeack, a 30-year-old red-headed creep is awaiting a public defender to arrive to work on his case — an “incident” at a petting zoo. So far, no one is buying his defense that his “research” required going “fully exterior”. “Meat Sack”, however, caught on immediately as a nickname in the yard.

  • dagobarbz

    HAPPY UNBIRTHDAY TO ELRON; a man who made the world a better place by leaving it.

    • Missionary Kid

      I never thought of an unbirthday as a death before. Brilliant.

    • Sherbet

      Unfortunately, much of the damage had already been done before he left.

    • Nat-leficent

      In honor of the day — some greatest hits
      F5

      • Sherbet

        Who says we don’t have great art in the Bunker.

      • Jimmy3

        Because the rest of him was so grotesque, people forget that he had such a great rack.

      • Sine qua non

        Eeewww! That one with the snake tongue sticking out is especially unsettling! 😛

      • beauty for ashes

        Bravoooooo!!!!
        “You mock my pain, never do it again. I died that day…. and you can die too for all I care” **shoves Wesley**
        “Aaaaaaaaassssssss… yyoooooooooooooooouuuuuuu …wwiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiishhhh!”
        “Oh my sweet Wesley what have I done?
        Princess Bride tourettes! Loved your version!

  • MM

    David Miscavige: “Thus, at 2000 hours Friday, the 24th of January, A.D. 36, L. Ron Hubbard discarded the body he had used in this lifetime for 74 years, 10 months, and 11 days. […] However, it is important that you can put this into the proper perspective.”

    Me: “He died. People die.”

    • BosonStark

      People die. L. Ron researches.

    • Royce Harlow

      In the more recent words of David Miscavage: If he dies, he dies.
      Through the years death appears to have become a much more simple event for ol’Dave

  • BosonStark

    “LRH wants us to see this as another giant step in the research he is doing,” it says in the telex-gram. Yeah, like that’s believable, because Scientology is all about the research. Follow-up policy letter to arrive soon from Mars.

    Pretty odd that L. Ron wrote a dumpster load of books about every nutty thing that popped into his mind, but failed to mention this particular interpretation of his untimely departure. Gee, before this, he had discovered the secret to controlling the aging process. Go figure.

    • Ben Franklin

      One can not research fiction. L Ron Hubbard grossly misunderstood the meaning of the word “research”

      • Missionary Kid

        He also grossly misunderstood the meaning of the word “fiction.”

        • Ben Franklin

          Either LRH started to believe in his own fiction, or he was just a straight up boldface conman who was able to convince others that his fictional ideas were real.

          • Missionary Kid

            That’s a debate that’s been going on here in the Bunker for a long time as to which he was. He was self-delusional from the beginning, but who knows where the dividing line was?

            • Ben Franklin

              I don’t remember exactly, but just recently, i believe there was an article here suggesting that sometimes fiction authors become so immersed in their work that they begin to have a fading sense of what is real and what is fiction. Fiction seems to be even more fascinating to people, the closer it is to reality, which I find kind of ironic

          • scottmercer

            I think Tony once postulated that LRH believed in the “sciency” part of Scientology (that the e-meter and auditing actually did something) but not in the “religion” part, which was, as Paul Haggis surmised, merely a tax dodge so they would be left alone. Reportedly LRH continued auditing up to his death, so he probably believed that it did have SOME effect.

            • Kim O’Brien

              eeeeewwwwwww…..you said ” postulated ”

              ” I think Tony wrote once that LRH ….”

              there …fixed it for you 😉

      • EmmaDaoust

        “research”: you search, and then you search again.

        • Ben Franklin

          It also drives me nuts when people suggest there is any sort of Science in Scientology. The latin term “Scio” does not make Scientology scientific.

  • Racnad

    If you play the eerie music in the first video (which sounds like the score to a 1960s B movie) while reading Broker’s description of the insanely distant past date, it makes more sense.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’d say it’s more like a 1950s B movie. They were even cheesier.

  • Newiga

    I’m a few days late but my lingering jetlag and today’s post inspired me. Wish I could come up with something better… but no…

    It was 30 years ago today
    when Lroon threw his body away
    He made a very causative decision
    to leave this suppressive Teegeack prison
    Sipping Vistaril on a cosmic spree
    to research and test the next level of OT
    24 billion trillion trillion
    Don’t be sad, donate a billion!
    Ask no questions about his final fate
    He’s circling a star in an exterior state
    Hip hip hooray, Commodore Ron
    Your office awaits and the con lives on.

    • Sherbet

      Good job.

      • Newiga

        Thanks, Sherb. ^_^ I couldn’t resist. 😛

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      *applause*

      • Newiga

        *takes a bow*

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      “Don’t be sad, donate a billion!”

      That’s … that’s just beautiful, Newiga.

      • Newiga

        Thanks, THDNE. What can I say, with DM’s et al.’s ramblings, this stuff just writes itself. 😉

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          You are a channel through which poetry emerges from the chaos of sci-speak.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            ..

  • J. Swift

    In my recent podcast with former CSI Executive Director International Bill Franks, Bill describes how Hubbard’s personal physician Dr. Eugene Denk confided to him in 1981 that L. Ron Hubbard was already slipping into dementia.

    After Hubbard died, Denk corroborated this to the Sheriff-Coroner. Denk also stated that Hubbard suffered from long-term pancreatitis and that the cause of death was a stroke, or what they called a cerebral vascular accident. Hubbard’s death certificate and the report of the circumstances surrounding his death are at the Scientology Money Project: http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/08/18/the-church-of-scientologys-great-big-lie-about-the-death-of-founder-l-ron-hubbard/

    David Miscavige’s introduction on Scientology’s center stage was the LRH Death Event at the Palladium. This entire event was a lie and Miscavige has never stopped lying. Miscavige and others have conspired to lie about everything.

    The late Robert Vaughn Young, a high ranking Church exec for many years, discusses Hubbard’s post-stroke mental incapacitation during his last days in this video. The mentally-incapacitated post-stroke Hubbard was made to sign a new will the day before he died while on the psychiatric drug Vistaril:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyIn2BhWPQo

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Was there ever anything they told us that was true? Anything?

      • Racnad

        No. I can look at any Scientology document – marketing, tech, LRH-written or not, and identify falsehoods, hyperbole, unsubstantiated assertions, out-of-context or twisted facts. It’s like a hobby of mine.

        I suspect they must do this because any document that is 100 percent factual will stand out and call attention to the fact that everything else is full of lies.

    • Sherbet

      It’s hard to summon up any sympathy for lrh, but I’m sickened to think he was pushed to sign a new will while in a mentally-incapacitated state. I remember the folks at my Mom’s nursing home, some stroke victims, some with age-related dementia, and I know none of them would have any idea what s/he was signing. It’s fraud, it’s a crime, it’s preying upon the weak.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I only have sympathy for his children.

        • Sherbet

          Some sneaky little weasel pulled a very successful coup.

    • Jimmy3

      It’s fitting that he, as one of the most prolific conmen of all time, was swindled on his death bed. But how much of a difference did it really make? I mean, what exactly was changed between wills, and say Mary Sue had inherited more of it, that money would still have gone to Scientology, would it not?

      • Ben Franklin

        They sure cleaned L Ron’s pockets at his death bead.

        • Jimmy3

          Miscavige: Check the lint for flecks of precious metals.

          • Ben Franklin

            With a microscope, just in case.

          • Sherbet

            Well, we know there were no gold teeth to remove.

      • J. Swift

        Karmically, L. Ron Hubbard was the victim of his own Disconnection, Dirty Contracts, and Introspection Rundown policies.

        * Hubbard’s own crimes forced him into isolation to avoid subpoenas or arrest. In his final years, Hubbard was in hiding at his Creston disconnected from everyone except Pat and Annie Broker and Stephen Pfauth.

        * Hubbard’s only terminal was Pat Broeker and the messages Pat chose to relay to him or not relay to him. For example, Hubbard had ordered Jesse Prince to sec check Miscavige. As Jesse relayed in a recent podcast, Miscavige folded up like a cheap lawn chair, began crying, and told Jesse that if he, Miscavige, was going down then he was going to take down everyone else with him. Broeker and Miscavige acted to ensure that Hubbard never saw that particular sec check.

        As I posted the other day at the Bunker, the parallels between Hubbard’s death and that of Lisa McPherson are eerie:

        * Both were locked up in confined spaces. Hubbard in a motorhome and Lisa in a hotel room.

        * Both were being drugged by the Church when they were locked up; Hubbard with Vistaril and Lisa with chloral hydrate.

        * Both were mentally incompetent in the last few weeks of their lives; Hubbard due to multiple strokes and Lisa due to her psychotic break.

        * The Church refused medical intervention and hospitalization to both Hubbard and Lisa. Lisa was only rushed to a hospital when it too late to save her — and even this was done so she didn’t die on Church property. The people taking Lisa to the hospital drove past two nearby
        hospitals and kept driving until they got to a more distant hospital where a Scientology doctor was on duty.

        * The Church told incredible lies about the actual facts surrounding the deaths of both Hubbard and Lisa.

    • Sherbet

      “The Widow Denk” used to post here. I never was quite sure how to react to her posts, because I don’t know what exactly went on back then, or how involved she and her late husband were in lrh’s decline and death. I remember her sounding a bit defensive. lrh’s end days are a rabbit hole I haven’t much explored yet.

      • Ben Franklin

        I don’t think she was very fond of people saying “negative” things about LRH. The Bunker is a tough place for those who still hold LRH in high regard maybe still believe in the tech, and that OT powers are real.

        • Sherbet

          I think you’re right; she didn’t expect negativity. On the other hand, I don’t remember many Bunkerites engaging her in conversation. We tended to tiptoe around her.

          • Ben Franklin

            If I remember, I think someone made a negative comment about Denk not being there the night Hubbard died. She is probably one of the few people who can clear up for sure whether Denk was gambling that night, and who else was with him. Did he or did he not inject Hubbard with Vistaril, and for what reason? You know, those kind of questions.

            • Sherbet

              Those kind of questions she doesn’t want to answer. It was odd that she even visited the Bunker, though.

            • Ben Franklin

              I believe I had seen her posts at Rathbun blog and maybe aslo at Rinder’s as well, but, that was when both were still identifying as independent Scientologists.

            • Sherbet

              OK. Thanks for the background, Ben F.

            • Ben Franklin

              She seems to like Tony though because according to her, he is the only journalist who spells her husband name correctly i.e Gene Denk, instead of Eugene

            • Chee Chalker

              She used to post at Rinder’s blog a lot. Haven’t seen her there lately.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              You’ve heard my rants about The Scientology Doctors, right, and what they did, and didn’t do.

              Denk was one of the main characters. Hearing any prasies about what a benevolent, wonderful doctor he was and how he “helped” so many… I wrote about my experiences.
              They were not about any benevolence. I thought and still think they should all be in prison and the key thrown away.

            • Sherbet

              Ah, so you drove The Widow Denk away from the Bunker. There’s no coddling here, only the truth.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I don’t know about that. I do know I am not popular in certain corners because I speak truth when I hear lies. Had enough lies to last 47 lifetimes!

            • Sherbet

              You’re always popular here, partly for that very reason. You’re also a wonderful person.

          • Ben Franklin

            True. She only posted in the Bunker a few times more than 2 years ago, and I don’t believe there were any direct questions at her. I just remember seeing a comment where she got upset about someone being negative about Denk or LRH

      • Robert Eckert

        She seemed like a nice lady, but of course, she always had to defend Dr. Denk.

        • Sherbet

          Yes.

    • Jgg2012

      What’s going to happen when Miscavige dies? A power struggle between Pouw and Tommy Davis?
      Will the reincarnation of LRH magically appear?

      • Sherbet

        Of those two guesses, neither will happen.

      • Newiga

        A power struggle between Karin Pouw and Tommy Davis? That’d be a popcorn-worthy thing to watch. F5

        https://media.giphy.com/media/6HFUDKwlWcAbC/giphy.gif

        • Spackle Motion

          PingPongPouw is likely sleeping under a desk right now and has no idea that her name is being used like a rubber stamp for all of Miscavige’s verbal hemorrhoids.

          Tommy Boy is living the trust fund high life riding the coat tails of his father and likely enjoys his freedom. He doesn’t seem like a back-stabbing sociopath that aims only for power. Tommy Davis is a dolt.

      • Royce Harlow

        I’m sure that theres another psychopath hiding in the bleachers, waiting and plotting for the right moment.

        • flyonthewall

          I don’t think so. All the quality, capable people have been purged, escaped or imprisoned and broken. There’s no new blood coming in to replace them. Plus no one currently in will be allowed a chance to grow or develop bc if they do Miscavige will become suspicious of them and bust them down and break them. It’s permanent and irreversible brain drain and they’ll never recover from it. Just my observation and analysis

          • ze moo

            One of the lawyers will take over the reins and suck what money is left. Then the parrot will truly be dead.

            • flyonthewall

              Yep. It’ll be a cabal of lawyers rushing to plunder the coffers and cover their asses. Maybe some whales will try to bring some legal action to save the Tech (buy the copyrights) etc. It’ll be a mess. I can’t fucking wait.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              That’s right. edit to add: The way it’s structured now, it would take years and so much money for the lawyers to spend, and come to the conclusion that they Already know – it’s set up so only Miscavige has the keys to the war chest. Remember there are a lot of lawyers. They’ll find a way to spend it all. I have faith in them 🙂

          • Royce Harlow

            I’m not quite as convinced as you 🙂 Psychopaths know how to lay low, manipulate situations and fly under the radar. He/she might not strike at all till davey becomes a stiffy.

            • beauty for ashes

              Now that I think of it, I tend to agree with you. But is it a good quality psychopath? Probably not.

            • flyonthewall

              You can be as psychopathic as you want but you need someplace to strike from if you’re going to grab power. That place would be upper management and it doesn’t exist. It’s been gutted and I don’t see Miscavige resurrecting it bc he would be too paranoid about it turning on him.

              Sometimes I wonder if Miscavige would ever turn the keys over to Cruise and make him a kind of patsy but he can’t do that either bc he wouldn’t have the cult’s $$$ as protection from lawsuits that would inevitably follow him should he leave. Plus, Miscavige is just addicted to power and a comfy lifestyle

              I think because of this Miscavige is trapped there and as long as he’s there, it goes right back to where we were before, Miscavige ensuring that no one can potentially compete with him for power thus depriving Scientology of a competent leader once Miscavige dies.

            • Royce Harlow

              Whichever will happen, I’m sure gonna watch from the sidelines while cramming my mouth with popcorn

          • Kestrel

            I agree, unless there’s a group of competent people who are involved and out of his reach.

            • flyonthewall

              The only people who would be interested and out of his reach are indies like Vannier and James Jackson. They’re going to save Scientology? I just don’t see it. How could they? Not being rhetorical, I am genuinely interested in a plausible scenario that puts competent outsiders in charge of Sci

            • ze moo

              An instant schism will appear and all sorts of former clams will try to open their brand of $cientology. They will not attract many back to the fold.

            • flyonthewall

              100% agree there but where does that leave the bank accounts, real estate, copyrights and command of the SO? Those things are the key.

              eta – like we talked down thread, most likely the lawyers will gobble it up and squirrel it away, leaving the flock to wonder what happened to their “church”. The church will be gone and you’ll end up with a small number practicing it at home and each others houses etc.

      • The whales will be gone, Miscavige will take all the cash with him, so they’ll fight over the last Swingline stapler.

        • Liberated

          My theory is when Miscavige realizes it’s over he’ll of course take all the cash, and he’ll take Tommy Boy Cruise down with him too. People like him always do.

          • Tracy Schmitz

            well of course! either he’ll use tommy boy in his defense and plea to the world that he can’t be that bad of a guy OR he’ll use tommy boy (when he finally wakes up as he is been asleep at the wheel since 1987!) to screw him over… either way tommy boy is “EL SCREWED”! unless he gets out before the end is near/nearing?…of course the reasoning is that cruise is both brainwashed and stupid AND/OR he himself is a sociopath who has done plenty of wrong and thus easy for DM to take him down with him….

            • Liberated

              I think Cruise is just a dumb schmuck. Davey is glorifying is massive ego, telling him how great and powerful he is—there’s nobody like you Tom!—then when shit hits fan, watch out. He’s gonna roll him under the bus so fast ! And all this time Tommy is saying to himself, ” Dave wouldn’t do that to me, we’re best buddies”.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              true, he’s in for the WORLD’S BIGGEST “wtf” AND EYE OPENER OF ALL TIME!… of course by now? in 2016? who doesn’t believe he is in on the scam or has done things he doesn’t want the public to know (career ruining and personal destroying perhaps?) and both he and davey knows things the other one has done and don’t what the public to know… of course in your last sentence you typed? the fact that he made ANY so called “religious” leader his best friend is beyond wrong, immoral, unethical and just plain WEIRD to the max! (even if he was the most holy moral person in the world it would be weird and wrong! and to know that we all know that DM is the complete opposite makes it even more wrong, weird!) and said “religious” leader himself even HAS a best friend! and neither of these 2 thinks this is wrong or not normal? really?! they are the only ones on the planet who “do not get this?”!..

          • Susan B.

            He’ll probably leave the US. Where’s the most likely place he’ll end up?

        • beauty for ashes

          Staplers are important. F5

      • scottmercer

        I assume that Scientology we be so small by then (if not non-existent) that there won’t be a power struggle. On the other hand, if there’s a billion bucks in the bank, even if they only have 500 followers, that’s a damn big prize for people to fight over. What is needed is a Reed Slatkin to make sure that money disappears.

        • flyonthewall

          Yingling will take care of the money.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            She’ll have a long fight with all the other lawyers.

            • flyonthewall

              she knows karate. Hi-ya!

            • flyonthewall

              no, i think they’ll work something out where they all benefit. Sharks are cannibals though, so you never know

          • Robert Eckert

            Appointing some goofball like Grant Cardone as designated head, to take the fall.

            • flyonthewall

              Right, or Cruise

    • beauty for ashes

      How can he tell if Lron was slipping into dementia? I mean he certainly slipped a lot before and sometimes dove head first into it! Maybe it was the giant electrocution machine to git rid of that durn ole last body thetan!

      • Charles Manson

        I’m no doctor or headshrinker, but I’d say Ron Hubbard had dementia in 1947 when he was getting it on with Jack Parsons and talking to his guardian angel.

    • I try to guard against slipping into conspiracy theory – but that last-minutes revision of his will by a man likely no longer responsible for his actions was just too convenient.

      Is the text of his pre-revision will still available, or do we not know what his origninal intentions were?

    • Susan B.

      Thanks for sharing this. Did RVY end up leaving COS? From the way he talks in this video it sounds like he was out.

      • J. Swift

        RVY was married to Stacy Young. They left the Church and became whistleblowers against the Church. RVY served as an expert witness against the Church in various lawsuits including the Lisa McPherson Estate lawsuit against Flag.

        Wikipage on RVY: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Vaughn_Young

    • Jgg2012

      It sounds like the tech didn’t help him much.

    • OOkpik

      An ex-Int staffer once reported that there was at least one person at Int who could sign Hubbard’s name flawlessly. I haven’t been able to find the post…might have been on Marty’s blog some years back. At any rate, one would think that a man in Hubbard’s condition would not likely be able to produce a recognizable signature and that such a signature would reveal his state if he did sign it himself. I’d be more inclined to believe that the changes in the will were produced on a signed blank sheet from much earlier, or the signature was cleverly forged. All of the shenanigans surrounding Hubbard’s decline and death stinks from here to Target Two.

    • Sunny Sands

      Notice the cat yowling at 2:14? RVY looks over like “what is that?”.

      • J. Swift

        Vaughn and Stacy Young operated a cat rescue. That is why you hear cats in the background. Karen and I are animal lovers and Karen has done bird rescue for years. We have birds and that is why you hear parakeets, cockatiels, and sometimes our two African greys in the background of my podcasts.

  • Kay

    So, the Clearwater “choir” are Scottish ? Are they going to break out into river dance?

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Riverdance is Irish.

      • Kay

        LOL…shows how much I know. I know that plaid material denotes Scottish family groups, or am I wrong on that too?

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Tartan is Scottish, and I believe certain patterns can be “trademarked” to certain families.

          • Kay

            So, this would be the Miscavage Clan Tartan?

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              Or they got a good deal on some cheap (free?) scarves.

            • Kay

              Yes highly likely.

            • Graham

              Well it’s probably not the McPherson.

            • Kay

              That was quick…

        • Chee Chalker

          You’re correct……each clan had its own tartan.
          I think the choir was performing at the annual Robert Burns night (celebration/reg opportunity) .

          • Kay

            Oh OK that makes sense. Those outfits just seemed so…random !

          • Kay

            One of the most attractive things I’ve ever seen a man do was Sean Connery,when he won the Kennedy Center honor at Lincoln Center, and went down to accept in total Scottish dress, including a plaid kilt, then did a Scottish dance. Who knew a man could look that sexy in a kilt. I have been a fan of kilts ever since.

            • Kay

              Here is my visual aid…go Sean !

            • Chee Chalker

              I love Sean Connery!
              My husband looks great in a kilt…..you have to have the legs for it.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i’m tellin ya …. that is where my love of men in sarongs comes from 😉 There is a Scottish/Irish festival every year in Estes Park , CO . I go for the men in the kilts . They do ” men in kilts ” stuff . Waaaay hot

        • Ever met an SP?

          There are Irish tartans too 🙂

      • Chee Chalker

        Yes……please God don’t get us Scots mixed up with Riverdance.
        I doubt the Irish would want to be mixed up in it either as it is a production of an American (Michael Flatley) who is from the south side of Chicago, yet sometimes mysteriously speaks with an Irish brogue.
        I don’t know whether to be more embarrassed as an Chicagoan, or someone with Irish and Scottish ancestry.

        • Sherbet

          I suppose I could just Google this, but I won’t: Wasn’t Riverdance originally from some festival that included European and Russian dance? It sort of peeled off into its own entity? That was my belief.

          • Chee Chalker

            I don’t know the exact roots of Riverdance and Googling it seems to be a waste of everyone’s time.
            My knowledge of it only involved the hilarity of Michael Flatley turning into a platinum blond with a weird accent.

        • Kay

          Is Michael Flatley the blonde dancer that was in all of the original River Dance performances? He is from CHICAGO ???? Holy cow I’ve heard him interviewed and he definitely had some sort of accent going on that was not American.

          • Chee Chalker

            Yes, I am embarrassed beyond embarrassed. I know this because Michael and I both took lessons from the same man, Dennis Dennehey, many many years ago.
            Not at the same time, Flatley is 10 years older than me. I know many many people who danced with him over the years.
            He is an amazing dancer, but once Riverdance exploded, so did his ego.
            Then the Madonna accent thing started and we lost him…..he belongs to the world now!

            • Kay

              Well that is really unfortunate…we should all be true to ourselves, not try to be someone else. Mr. Kay went to medical school with a guy who all of the sudden started speaking with a very British accent, out of nowhere. He was from the Bronx. Go figure. I’d forgotten about Madonna suddenly speaking with a British accent. I am really surprised about Flatley…how weird for you, truly.

            • Kay

              OK…here is a one minute interview with Flatley….with a faux irish accent. That’s sort of hilarious.
              https://youtu.be/nMOEKlAD8aw

            • Chee Chalker

              I’m frightened to watch this……
              He.reminds me a little bit of John Mappin, the creepy proprietor of Camelot Castle

            • Kay

              I can understand that, totally. It’s the “charlatan” thing.

            • Chee Chalker

              Such a tool….

            • Kay

              Yes, he is. I hadn’t really paid that much attention to him before, but now it’s so obvious that he is not Irish. I’m surprised I didn’t notice. Well he made a lot of dough off of that gig..that’s sort of annoying.

            • Chee Chalker

              He made a LOT of money…..he seems like the perfect target for a certain cult……lots of money, huge ego, would love all the faux love/attention thrown at him…..he could dance for COB then COB and TC would make fun of him behind his back
              Watch out Michael!

            • Kay

              So true….

            • Kim O’Brien

              i love that he speaks with an Irish accent . Douche is from Chicago . Great dancer though …but i thought his back up’s were better .

    • scottmercer

      Doesn’t Hubbard have Scottish ancestry? Isn’t that the “tie-in” here?

      • Chee Chalker

        No no ! A million times no!
        As we have been told ad nauseum….. “LRH had a love of Scotland”….. And he thinks they loved him back.
        Which, if you know many Scots, you will know they do not suffer fools gladly.
        Sure, just like everywhere else, LRH managed to con a few of them.
        But, as far as we know that red headed flesh blob was not Scottish.
        LRH’s father as adopted (IIRC) so I am not sure he knew his roots
        I think both sides of his family had been in the US for a while, so who knows?

        Though I am sure LRH ‘traced’ his roots back and he was descended from royalty.
        More like he was descended from testicles

        • Liberated

          I thought he was descended from Marcab.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            So close. Descended from Madness.

          • Kay

            That would be “macabre” more likely.

          • Chee Chalker

            Anywhere but Farsec

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I have been told that Int Base has a Scottish architectural motif such that the buildings are designed to look Sottish. (Reminds me that I wonder what ever happened to our Sunday Funnies cheerleader from Scotland with his newsy news – he was elderly and I hope he is okay.)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      There’s a scientologist or two or three involved in Scottish bagpiping band in Dunedin, which is a small burb outside of Clearwater that does have Scottish roots and has Highland games, etc. I can’t remember their names, but I would guess one of them is involved in the choir so putting a tartan spin on the whole thing.

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    Story from fishwrapper.com regarding Travolta and touch assists F5:

    • outraged

      Travolta admits he stole the best song in the movie from Jeff Conaway. Greased Lighting. Never understand why they ruined that song. Makes sense now. The car, the song, the dance belonged to a completely different part. Travolta was already the LEAD. What a tool.

    • Royce Harlow

      The comment in the commentsection is priceless:
      “Good thing for his sake that he didn’t have a hemorrhoid…”

    • Kay

      I would have been tempted to say “Stop touching me John…thank you.”

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Touch the wall instead. Thank you.

        • Tracy Schmitz

          whenever i read about all this touching walls, talking to ashtrays, it defies my logic, that ANYONE much less a famous celeb would think this was normal? or religious? or self help? or helpful in ANYWAY!? or never stopped to think “gee, what if anyone outside my religion knew what i was doing in my free time!”… utterly WEIRD-A-RAMA!…

          • Kim O’Brien

            i always chuckle when you are shocked that a celebrity would buy this stuff 😉 All scientology is for famous ppl …is one long emotional hand job …with a happy ending . They are love bombed more than an orphan at a pedophile convention …of COURSE they love it LOL

            • ozzybud420

              lol I’m always shocked that ANYBODY would buy this stuff…. 😉 lol.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              oh, i know what your saying.. it just STUNS me…. that some famous celeb NEEDS butt kissing 24/7 from a “religion” (hollywood and society butt kissing 24/7 is not enough?! really?!) and not only needs it but doesn’t see how ethically and morally not only wrong, but utterly weird and freaky it is!…. i was the other day reading the claire headley’s many posts about auditing and getting clear and the ot levels and what not and ALL THAT TIME SO MUCH TIME doing all of this stuff for YEARS and just reading what someone has to go thru i was EXHAUSTED… i can’t imagine anyone actually going thru all of it! and NOT thinking to themselves “uh, where is the religion part going to come in?” in particular for a famous celeb, that they have EVEN THE TIME to do all of this? and never ever thinking “gee, this is too much, there is just too much crap to go thru, i don’t have the time to do this?”…..and yes, for anyone including a celeb, the idea that they think talking to ashtrays and walls and whatever is quote “normal?”…

              .in regards to cruise, if what i have read is all true, the fact that he would stay days, weeks even on base there in hemet studying, and reading and whatever, sounds BEYOND WEIRD!.. who in their right mind (unless your in the seminary i guess?) especially if you have a busy busy life as a celeb with so many working with and for you (agents, lawyers, studio heads, etcetera) would think this is normal and right to spend all this time on some secluded base compound in the middle of nowhere doing all of this for your “religion”?…..

        • SucculentDuck

          i thought “touch the wall, thank you” was for flu symptoms or anything between 4.2 – 7.3 on the fever scale. i could be wrong as i’m making this up on the fly just like LRH.

      • Royce Harlow

        “Are you sure you’re only poking me with your finger?”

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Lol. Catz are crazyyy!

  • Susan B.

    Love the pup pic. Woof woof!

    • Susan B.

      Woof.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    On “Who Wants To Be A Millionaire” Tv just now, the question was who Citizensfour was about. One of the wrong answers was David Miscavige! The contestant talked thru all the names, saying what he knew about each of them. When he got to Miscavige, he said I never heard of him. hahaha

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I’ll bet he’s heard of Alex Gibney:)

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      David Miscavige has become not only a punch line, but a wrong answer!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        LOL!

    • flyonthewall

      nice

    • Hamtaro

      DM isn’t “Citizenfour,” he’s “Citizenfourthirteen.”

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        hah – oh wait, “Citizenfortyseven”

    • Frodis73

      Ha! That is so awesome…and funny. I can only hope he knows about it. Lil fucker, nobody knows or cares about you.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I sure wouldn’t want to be the one to report it tonight!

        • Susan B.

          Those CO$ members in the “situation room” or whatever CO$ calls the secret spy room full of bodies who peruse websites like this one for info MUST have a good laugh now and then. Wouldn’t you think? How many times can they read the variations on the short stature description of DM without notating them in their heads and chuckling over the next new one they hear? Oh, wait. Those poor souls are brainwashed. They miss out on all of the fun.

    • ReallyMGM

      Maybe they will send the Amazing Race to Int Base for a challenge this season.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    I hope that numb nutts didn’t have Pat killed. Strange how abruptly his undercover stalking stopped.

    • grundoon

      Miscavige stalks Broeker with cheaper PIs now.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I see.

  • flyonthewall

    hey Tony, just emailed you

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I intercepted it and replaced your email with Steely Dan’s Greatest Hits. Sorry.

      Actually, I might have just had a cocktail and imagined the whole thing. 😀

      • flyonthewall

        doh!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I thought I heard something familiar in the background

  • Hey Tony, Fly and Nola just emailed you.

    • flyonthewall

      Hey Tony, Dodo and Nola are teasing me. Please send them to the corner

      • We are just being Fly messengers.

        • flyonthewall

          FMO?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Wait, there’s an FMO now? oh nooooooooooooooo

          • flyonthewall

            jinx!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              oh god – you did that fly mind meld thing on me, didn’t you!

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Holy shit, we aren’t going to have to wear those uniforms are we???

          • flyonthewall

            who wears short shorts? FMO wears short shorts

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            apologies to Terri for bringing out this photo again. Yeah, I could fit in that. Maybe the socks!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              *runs screaming*

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I managed to get out of a lot of stuff being on tours- Only had to wear regular SO uniforms a few times – horrible horrible and hot and itchy wool – in the hot climates.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              This is all Dodo’s doing. Is he messin’ with us or what?

            • flyonthewall

              what are they, like 13 here?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              That sounds like the age Hubbard liked them – 12-14.

            • flyonthewall

              excuse me, i just threw up a little in my mouth

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              add leering perv to his resume

            • flyonthewall

              Casual passerby: “Excuse me, why are you girls dressed like that?”
              Girls: “We’re going to church!”
              Casual passerby: “I see. Carry on”

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              “We’re going to church to hold the ashtray for our Commodore”

            • Observer

              Ugh, Hubbard was a dirty old goat. He may never have molested his messengers, but you don’t dress pubescent girls like that for no reason.

            • Spackle Motion

              There are stories (unconfirmed) that he did molest at least one of his messengers but he had limp dick syndrome from all of the drugs. But i recall a website or two with some really bad stories about his misdeeds.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              The boots are groovy.

  • Kay

    Sundance Film Festival Update:
    From your “on-the-ground-absolutely-a-nobody-correspondent”

    Well, I haven’t seen Per Wickstrom at the Festival yet, not that I have hunted him down. On the other hand, at least Jaden Smith hasn’t shown up so far to tell all of the adults how to make films. There is a God.

    Really bad film: Daniel Radcliffes Swiss Army Man…a lot of us walked out. Very annoying experience. You can google that hot mess online.

    Since I live in the area, I have gone to this for many years. In all of those years I have never seen or heard of Tom Cruise being here, which is sort of interesting to me since it is sort of a big deal. Maybe he’s too big of a being to go. (or too small to be noticed)

    • Kay

      Radcliffe’s movie is about a flatulent corpse. (believe it or not) I think that may have been a good description of LRH after he died.

      • flyonthewall

        die young and leave a flatulent corpse I always say

        • Kay

          Laugh !!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        That’s what I’ve heard most about it – that people walking out in droves.

        • Kay

          Yes…..truly awful. I was surprised that it was accepted as an entry. I have never seen such an awful film at Sundance, ever.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            That’s too bad. It’s one thing to have a Wickstrom and Kardashian invading the Sundance, but crap films?

            • Kay

              Yes, truly, that is insult added to injury.

      • Sid (Phil Jones)

        So this is a sort of Harry Potter and the Chamber Pot of Secrets, or the Deathly Odors, or the Goblet or Fetor?

        • Kay

          Laugh !

    • Frodis73

      Have you head or seen the movie about a cult? IIRC it’s called Holy Hell.
      eta-Any chance you saw the Molly Shannon movie? I really want to see it…I guess people are saying she’s amazing in it…Oscar worthy even. There is also a 14 year old kid in it that is getting some buzz.

      • Kay

        I did read about that, but haven’t seen it yet. I would like to.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Is that out at Sundance?

        • Frodis73

          Yes, it premiered a couple days ago.

          • Kay

            It has three more screenings to go. (thurs, fri and sat) It is hard to get into because it has gotten good press. I’m going to try to get in.

            • Frodis73

              Cool! I hope you can get in and give us the scoop. I added to my question above asking about the Molly Shannon flick…did you see that one?

            • Kay

              No, but I have a friend who I think saw it, or has plans to. I will ask her about it.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Hope Kay gets to see it then and give us our own review!

      • Jimmy3

        14 years old getting buzzed. This is why we need The Truth About Drugs.

        • Frodis73

          Of course…they will save us all.

    • ReallyMGM

      Did you see the Kevin Smith movie with his daughter and Johnny Depp’s daughter in it?

      • Kay

        Yoga Hosers? Yes I did. It was OK, but wasn’t as good as Smith’s former Sundance film “Chasing Amy” IMO. It was kind of fragmented. (then again I’m no film critic, just a “lay person’s” point of view.

        • ReallyMGM

          I can’t believe it’s been 22 years since “Clerks” debuted at Sundance. “Dogma” is one of my favorite movies.
          Alan Rickman was great in it. RIP

          • Kay

            I adore Alan Rickman…..was so sad that he passed. He’s one person I would really liked to have seen in person.

        • Frodis73

          I just adore Chasing Amy…I re-watched it after not seeing it for quite awhile and it still holds up. I do hate having to stare at Jason Lee tho. Argh.

  • Jimmy3

    The Master was great for what it was, but I think it’s time for a true LRH biopic. I dunno with what focus or cast or anything, but I have the title for the sequel already: Long Con, Short Hustle

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      This is a really good idea.

      Maybe, “I never had a second Wife”, or “Hypno-Hubbard and the Zombie Horde”.

      • Jimmy3

        In my long career of reading and posting internet comments, I have pieced together and solved Hollywood, Sid. Write a snazzy title and you’re green lit and it all falls into place from there.

        • Frodis73

          Funny thing is that can happen!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          “When the Ashtray Stands Up!”

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Any line from the Affirmations!

      • flyonthewall

        Ooh I hope Hypno-Toad makes a cameo

        • Sid (Phil Jones)

          He could play the part of Xenu.

    • Nat-leficent

      A good angle would be a Fishman case type scenario. Then you have the outsider perspective, close up looks at the tech and the inner workings and the added drama of someone trying to con the con.

      • Nat-leficent

        Fishman’s lawyer or psychologist as protag

      • flyonthewall

        there should be a small homage to Fishman’s youtube vids by having someone watch a crazy guy’s youtube vid that look like Fishman’s. It’ll be very subtle, we’ll sneak it in as a little inside joke.

      • Jimmy3

        How about the life and adventures of Ron, shot as if it happened, but in a way that the viewer understands it as fabrication, or heavily exaggerated reality.

    • Sid (Phil Jones)

      ACT ONE

      SCENE 1

      Hubbard seated across from 2 men, and 2 women, performing hypnosis demonstration at party.

      HUBBARD 1 You will enter hypnotic revere. Now, take out your checkbooks and cash and place in my hand.

      CHARACTER 2 Takes out wallet and places into Hubbard’s hand.

      • ze moo

        F5 What comic book did Lron use to get his hypnotism book?

  • nottrue

    I think Tony was right about what he brought up in Dec. I dont see as much poking at the cult ……Must have more poking

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      So far the backlash he mentioned has been meh, but it’s only January.

      • flyonthewall

        there was the Who Wants to be a Millionaire question earlier today, that was funny. Not as good as the Miscavige Hospital for the Criminally Insane but is a little something

    • TonyOrtega

      Something might be coming in the Daily Mail tomorrow, I think. Also something should show up in Marie Claire soon.

      • More from Leah, I hope.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I’m secretly hoping for Leah and Friends.

      • villagedianne

        Ooooooooo!

      • salin

        Come on folks, let’ pile in the station-wagon of impatience. “Are we there yet? Are we there yet? How many more miles? Are we there yet?” But it’s “is something up yet?” (repeat… repeat…)

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          How Hollywood Stars Keeps their Hair from getting Destroyed?
          http://www.marieclaire.com/beauty/news/a18259/celebrity-hair-secrets/

          • salin

            Teasers like this just drive my curiosity into hyper speed.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Tony knows how to handle a restless crowd. Like a pro, he is.

          • Kay

            Love that GIF…..

          • Ella Raitch

            Never before thought that having a ‘hair goal’ was an actual thing

        • Kestrel

          Are we there yet?

        • Kestrel

          How many more miles?

          • salin

            Are we there yet? Darn. Can we stop for ice cream? How many more miles?

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        I was just about to go to bed, and then you drop a bomb like that. Now I’ll never get to sleep!

  • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

    I can’t say I’ve seen this mentioned here. It’s from Geir Isene’s (escaped OT8) site, it was posted on Jan 17 with subsequent updates:

    A rather odd exchange with a scientologist: http://isene.me/2016/01/17/odd-exchange/

    • There are no true OT8’s, their Survival Rd is unflat heh

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        He stood up to COB RTC, and that, in my book IS OT8!

    • salin

      That is interesting.

    • ReallyMGM

      His blog is very good and an interesting insight into the way DM “manages” Co$…by the seat of his pants.
      Tick Tock

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        If only more people would wake up and see that he is violating LRH policy left and right. Geir is smart, and didn’t suck up to DM like most would.

    • Frodis73

      From that post I went and listened to Tommy’s tapes at the Tampa Bay times again…it’s been awhile since I have listened. It just cracks me up when he’s explaining (and blaming) all the violence that went on at Int Base…hello, he doesn’t even realize how odd/bad it is to have that stuff happen…he’s just worried about blaming Marty and getting attention off of DM. What idiots.

  • order66

    Am I the only person who thinks that part of the music played at the beginning sounded like the music from that one episode of Star Trek where Kirk and Spock had to fight to the death? Haven’t seen that one in years, and, except for Wrath of Khan and First Contact I don’t care for Trek, but that one bit of music sounded familiar.

    You know, I’ve posted it before, but I’ll say it again: That Crazy Midget was afraid during that event. Terrified that he was getting in over his head. Deep down inside he still is, and that, as much as his narcissism, explains his behavior. He lives in terror 24/7, everybody knows it, and he knows that everybody knows it.

    Happy anniversary to The Old Goat. Hope hell’s hot enough for him.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I was hoping to see Techie chime in – I thought it was a piece of soundtrack from Battlefield Earth. But it could be some Gold production. Techie would know for sure.

      • order66

        I remember watching reruns of the original Trek with my dad when I was in about the fifth grade, and as soon as I clicked on the video I thought “They stole music from Star Trek!”

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          it sure has that vibe, doesn’t it?

          • order66

            Yes, and now I’m listening to classic Metallica and Megadeth to clean That Crazy Midget’s voice out of my ears.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              There’s a whole section in the Bunker just for ear cleansing.

            • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

              This Bunker is like a TARDIS – it has just about everything.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              It IS!

            • Frodis73

              That is so good…and true. Lol. BunkerTARDIS!

    • Kay

      Well wherever they stole it from, it sounds like music guaranteed to scare little kids…not that they would care. Dreadful music, truly.

      • order66

        So dreadful that I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually composed it. It’s the kind of bad and weird that makes me think, yeah, that’s something they’d come up with.

        • Kay

          It does sound like an amateur thing to my ear as well…..especially the fairly awful singing on the track.

          • Kestrel

            The musicians playing the piece were accomplished, but a polished turd is still a turd.

            • Kay

              Tis true….a turd is a turd is a turd. The instrumentalists didn’t bug me but the singing really did. It’s a subjective thing of course.

            • EmmaDaoust

              And as I said earlier today, all turds should be flushed.

            • Kay

              Absolutely !!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Sounded very Star Trekian to me, too.

      I checked to see if Shazam could identify it. It kept coming up with a default message:
      “We didn’t quite catch that.
      Please get closer to the sound and try again.”

      This was accompanied by a pop-up ad for the Goose Bumps home video, starring Jack Black. (Repeatedly. Not making this up.)

      • Kay

        That’s funny !

      • order66

        So the internet that the great sci-fi “author” didn’t predict can’t identify music played at his memorial. That’s fitting somehow.

      • kemist

        That poor software is rocking back and forth, crying.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Here ‘ya go, Order66: It sounds exactly like the music, instrumentation, feel, sound effects, vocal effects as on Battlefield Earth soundtrack. Heck if I’m going to go through every one to find it. Listen for yourself.

      http://www.allmusic.com/album/battlefield-earth-mw0000062535

      • order66

        A quick scan through confirms my suspicion that it would be terrible. Ain’t exactly John Williams is it?

      • salin

        You are a brave lady to even go searching /listening for this. Too creepy for me.

  • Mark

    And just where was Fearless Leader while they were celebrating Burns Night in Clearwater? Right next to the whisky, that’s where! (Refresh inner Scot with Bromo-Seltzer):

    • Chee Chalker

      I have not heard (read) hair nor hide from Fearless Leader for quite some time…… I hope he’s not locked away somewhere.
      Maybe COB got jealous because of all the attention FL was getting

      • Mark

        I bet he’s still up there on Southbridge, pushing IAS statuses for all he’s worth, but keeping well clear of Craigslist & Gumtree 😉

        ETA: I thought that was him sitting second from right at first; maybe he’s got relatives at FLAG?

        • aegerprimo

          Yay!
          (woo hoooo Red X’ers)

        • Chee Chalker

          That looks like a healthier version of FL.

      • aegerprimo

        My guess, the latter is a NO.
        I bet Fearless Leader is not getting attention because nobody is coming into his “Ideal Org”.
        ETA: http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/eve-and-dave-1-e1407528824562.jpg

    • Ella Raitch

      Thank you Mark. You know just what is needed and deliver it.

  • Kay

    OMgosh….I just found this on You Tube. Maybe someone has posted this here before, but I have never seen it myself. It’s disturbing on so many levels. I think the voiceover is Isaac Hayes, and these are obviously “celebrity center” offspring. THIS completely creeps me out. F5

    https://youtu.be/OJlHO7t8GeA

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      shoot me now

      • Kay

        Yes, absolutely. I was searching my drawers for Prozac after seeing this…

    • salin

      Thanks for sharing this. I tried to watch it with two different “eyes”.

      One set of eyes blocked context of Scientology, of how when one “advances” the ability to ‘create’/think independently becomes increasingly constricted and replaced by dictates from Ron and the organization. Those eyes – this looks like a fun, and nice message for preteen through adolescent kids – harmless.

      The other eyes – not only (now) has context for the absurd vacuum within which this performance is held, but also recalls a conversation from just last night with a new poster (welcome!) and Derek recounting the pain of being a child, put on course (specifically the TRs) while parents were attending courses – and some of the psychological craziness experienced, as young kids – just to get through the extreme conditions of the various TRs. That second set of eyes, shuddered the entire time watching this video/performance, and thinking about what these kids are likely subjected to on a regular basis.

      • Kay

        I know what you mean….if you just listened to the message out of context and without knowing the backstory you can think “well maybe these are good concepts”, but with real knowledge of what this represents it’s just so creepy, and you feel so sorry for these kids. I particularly didn’t like the concept of telling kids just to smile and act happy and soon they will feel that way. That doesn’t encourage children to express their feelings even if they are sad feelings. So disturbing.

      • Frodis73

        That post by the new person last night was so disturbing to me.

        • salin

          It left a very deep impression on me as well.

    • aegerprimo

      ……..

      • Kay

        I know…..ditto

    • Frodis73

      What is even funnier (to me anyway) is that the church puts this stuff out for the public…on purpose. If you go the their channel there are a bunch more…I actually killed an hour checking this crap out once. Yikes.

      • Kay

        They’re pretty stupid PR wise to do so, but then again PR has never been their forte.

        • order66

          What do you mean? Doesn’t everybody use profanity like “provable bullshit” in official press releases? Oh, right…

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Wonder if any of these kids are involved adults? Anybody recognize an old “friend”.

  • Observer

    So apparently either Mappin or the Spamalot Castle Hotel or someone or something had a birthday. Mappin took the opportunity to disseminate Scientology in all caps but, astonishingly, spared not a word for his idol Trump. He also posted a lot of unintentionally hilarious photos; my fave is the one where he’s in front of the fireplace, holding the cake and looking like a toddler who’s filled his britches. It’s set to public so you should be able to see it if you don’t have FB.

    https://www.facebook.com/john.mappincamelotcastle/posts/10153191857241277?pnref=story

    • congratulations… you’ve made it to Germany…. http://paper.li/NewsDarius/1342364236

      • Frodis73

        OMG, that is so awsome!!!!

      • Observer

        I occasionally stumble across one of my shoops somewhere on the interwebs, and it’s kind of a weird feeling. But that’s why I do them. EDIT: to spread the enturbulation, not to get the weird feeling.

        • salin

          Way cool.

    • aegerprimo

      Peeps that type in all caps, give me a headache.
      ….(F5 refresh for screen grab)

      • salin

        It reads like a visual equivalent of TC’s couch jumping incident.

      • Kestrel

        I HAVE ASPIRIN.

      • JaxNGold

        Gag. Double gag.

        Did he just parrot the expansion line? Christ.

        Super Power Technology (whatever the hell that’s supposed to be) is the only thing that can “handle wars, terrorism, political and financial scenes..”?! How does NOT having fake powers help, exactly? What a blithering idiot.

      • Ella Raitch

        That must be tone 40 font

    • Frodis73

      Is that the only jacket that idiot owns? He wears that thing ALL the time, seriously.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Was he singing or just blowing?

      http://i.imgur.com/QxGvHsV.jpg?2

      • JaxNGold

        Dying. Is that Timberlake from SNL’s ‘Dick In A Box’ on the right?? LOL!!

  • Mockingbird

    I just figured out what they gigantic number is ! Hubbard’s running count on lies he told !!! Doh !

  • chukicita

    So the 11-year-old auditor…

    What kind of stuff will he have to listen to? What kind of questions will he have to ask, and hear detailed answers for? Is any of it age-appropriate, and how does his “training” prepare him for any of it?

    • Frodis73

      Thinking about it makes me sick…straight up child abuse imo.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Absolutely child abuse. And no, not age appropriate – children are just little adults, remember? You’ve seen the children’s sec check Tony posted before right? Child abuse and then some.

        • Frodis73

          Oh yes, it’s horrifying. Also, hearing ex’s talk about being made to listen to adults complain about their sex lives when they are only 11, 12 or 13 is seriously messed up.

    • aegerprimo

      What kind of SCHOOL did he go to? (I’m thinking a Scientology based private school which made him illiterate yet boasted making students literate and educated).

    • salin

      Mockingbird has posted some very informative realities about having young kids doing the auditing, in combination with the graphic information that auditors are expected to push those being audited to disclose. Deeply disturbing situation – and definitely abusive for the kid-auditor.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      TR’s drills over and over.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Oh no!
    Instagram just posted by Jenna Elfman…

    PHOTO CAPTION – “My view right now.”
    https://www.instagram.com/p/BBEHnY4vNKu/?taken-by=jennaelfman

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      oh no

    • Nat-leficent

      Okay, okay, that’s disturbing but let’s stay calm — she’s on the correct side of the horse — for now.

      • Frodis73

        Snicker. Good one.

    • salin

      Such an example of being cloistered from reading banned parts of the internet. There is a widespread joke about her and horses – based on her own words/joke in her own internet posted podcast – and she is so clueless (prevented from reading, and no one would dare tell her if they saw it as it would cost thousands in ethics services from the Church) – that she doesn’t know how widely mocked she will be by posting horse photos.

    • Spackle Motion

      Looks like she’s in a ramshackle Latino neighborhood in a poor country. Wait….that looks like Sylmar. Ya, she’s in a ramshackle Latino neighborhood.

      • JaxNGold

        Laughter!

      • Nat-leficent

        Is there some kind of point I’m missing to this asinine comment?

        • Spackle Motion

          Did you expect one?

  • BlueHeronBay

    O/T. Sorry to see this news re: Top Gun 2 (and even more sorry to see it on Nerdist):
    http://nerdist.com/top-gun-2-tom-cruise-jerry-bruckheimer-discussions/

    • Because Tom Cruise and Hollywood have no original ideas/imagination.

    • flyonthewall

      Ironically, this movie will do more damage to Cruises’s career than Going Clear

    • Frodis73

      Gag me. How the hell is Val Kilmer going to make an appearance? He is sick, I saw a pic of him somewhere kinda recently and he looks like crap. Oddly enough, he is also in a cult and has shunned medical treatment because of his beliefs. Can you imagine the convo between Tommy and Val?

      • salin

        So sad.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Kilmer is a Christian Scientist.

        And his beliefs about not medical, but “spiritual” treatment, are killing him.

        • Frodis73

          I know, it’s so messed up…did you see that pic of him with that huge growth on his neck?? It was huge and he refused seeing the doc for years…finally he went…his growth is gone, but he looked really skinny, weak and like a little old man in the pic I just saw somewhere.

    • daytoncapri

      “I was on the lookout for one aircraft in particular: the F14 Tomcat, as flown by Maverick in the classic 80s movie Top Gun, but had to settle for its nemesis, the MiG. Much like Tom Cruise, it was surprisingly small in real life ”

      http://m.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/article.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=11578915

  • edge

    I apologize if this has been answered already below, but how is this event treated inside Scientology? They love replaying the “War is Over” video as Miscavige’s crowning achievement. But this is the death of their founder. That should be a big deal. For many it was likely the first time they ever saw Miscavige or even heard of OT 9 or 10. That also makes it a significant event. But it also contains Broeker, who is persona non grata to Scientology, and includes Miscavige telling whopper after whopper to the gathered crowd all while not looking as polished in his public speaking skills as he does now with the help of teleprompters. Do they show this in any form at all inside orgs or at events?

    • This event is not shown and is banned from owning or viewing.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        oh really – knew it wasn’t shown, but didnt know it was banned.

        • It was supposed to be taken out of circulation when VHS was still a thing.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Not Orwellian at all.

            • I watched it on VCR, thanks to my ED, before I’ve seen it on the Internet.
              About 12 years ago. She actually said to me that she not supposed to have it or share it.

            • salin

              So why did she share it with you?

            • Because she trusted me and I trusted her.

            • salin

              Cool that there was mutual trust within a larger organization that seems to undermine that kind of trust.

            • I still hold hope she is not completely owned by the mindfuck

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Wow – that had to be a moment.

            • Yeah. She is still in, but a wild card, I hope. Karen’s friend.

          • salin

            Darn internet – foiled again!

          • stillgrace2

            Thanks for sharing this info … Hi Dodo.

      • Chee Chalker

        I didn’t know clams were banned from watching it……anyone know why?

        • Because it is full of lies and embarassment.

          • Chee Chalker

            Well we know that, but do the clams?

          • edge

            Interesting. Even to this day then does the church say to members straight up that ‘L. Ron Hubbard died on January 24, 1986’, or do they still tell them the ‘dropped his body’ whopper? What about Scientologists amongst themselves? I think as a matter of not looking ridiculous to the casual observer spokespeople tell non-scns that he “passed”

  • outraged

    OT on another event brewing, Fox vs. Trump vs. GOP vs.Republican ‘presidential’ Candidates:
    Just got home from dance rehearsal pickup and googled Republican Debate. Nothing.
    All I got was Trump. Trump Trumps All, even when absent. heh. F5

    • salin

      ‘Spectacle’ is the word that comes to mind.

      • angry infected anal wart comes to mind….

        • salin

          That sounds like how Limbaugh avoided the Draft (for Vietnam).

          • really?! and then it basically just took over his whole body/personality…..

            • salin

              So goes the internet meme per his reason for his avoidance of the draft (and he did draft dodge, but I have no dox on hands to prove how/why he dodged the draft.)

    • someone posted the definition for the word “trumpery” here the other day… I added it to a pic and made this

      also IMO Trump really DOESN’T want the nomination and is deliberately pushing the envelope to try and get himself disqualified or something and is privately freaking out that whatever he does seems to make him more popular…. as I said, it’s just my opinion

    • Robert Eckert

      Michael Moore and Megyn Kelly having fun at Donald Trump’s expense:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EOZACdHAgA&feature=youtu.be

  • Here’s the Daily Mail story Tony hinted at below….http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3420222/How-John-Travolta-tried-heal-Grease-director-Randal-Kleiser-s-infection-Scientology-touch-assist-set-famed-movie-musical-1970-s.html

    edit: “Travolta reportedly started touching the then-30-year-old in various places and repeatedly asked him to ‘feel my finger’.

    pic

    • Tony Ortega

      No, I don’t care about that kind of crap. I meant a real story.

      • aaaah, a double clam story… I think this might actually be a first

        edit: what’s interesting here is that the story is an edited version of the original Vanity Fair article titled “How Grease Beat the Odds and Became the Biggest Movie Musical of the 20th Century” and that the Mail decided to cherry pick the scientology angle fwith their headline “Revealed: How John Travolta tried to heal a foot infection suffered by the director of Grease with a Scientology ‘touch assist’ on the set of the famed movie in the 1970’s”…. obviously the “scientology” tag really brings the clicks in

  • OT: not a good pix, but it’s cold out and i had to go half way up Luedella….no, no coat nor tripod, cuz why?…i couldn’t even zoom at all cuz of all the trees….i’ll be in bed and asleep before it’s cleared the trees (probably around 1/2am)…. basically get your butts outside if it’s not cloudy and you can see jupiter above the moon….the bright dot above the moon…..

    http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/misstia/5549708/1000891/1000891_600.jpg

    • salin

      Awesome! Not ‘space opera’ – but a glimpse into the sky-scape to see real space phenomena. Again – awesome!

      • yeah, it is awesome…..the other night the full moon came up over st. martha’s church building so i kept looking over there, but tonight the moon was coming up straight back from me (basically the st. martha’s back parking lot—which i can see from my window here)….the big pine tree sort of blocked the moon but i saw jupiter and HAD to go try to take a pix!!! they say 5 planets should be visible thru february 20th, but jupiter is the brightest and rises with the moon….

        • salin

          I have no equipment for special viewing, but on clear nights it would be cool to try to see planets withing our solar system.

          • You should have zero problem seeing Jupiter right now–if it’s not cloudy for you. The others don’t show until pre-dawn and I believe Venus is visible with the naked eye no problem and I think another is good to view but you need binoculars for the others. Sorry, I’m tired; but I know Jupiter is visible right now! 🙂

    • Kay

      OK Miss Tia….here’s the moon from my neck of the woods tonight. (it’s overcast out) I have NO idea where the artifacts are coming from…looks like the moon is throwing out UFO beams. Very odd because I shot this in total darkness from a forested area.

      • Nice!!! Isn’t that awesome how moon pix can do that sometimes??

  • flyonthewall

    Karen posted this in SP’s r Us and I had to post it here as it is very relevant to the bonus pic of the child auditor in today’s post. TBH, I didn’t really grasp how horrific it is to have a child auditing others until reading this.

    “Please welcome new member Serge Gil , who hails from Los Angeles.

    I asked Serge to send me a little history, and I am going to post it in 2 segments.

    Here is part one.

    Sent by parents to Sea Org at 13 years old for “Gay conversion therapy” to *UN GAY* him.

    Please give Serge a warm welcome.”

    Serge says :::::

    Hello, my name is Serge Gil.

    I was recruited into the FSO at the age of 13. I was a “Class IV” auditor and a “Clear” right before I joined the Sea Org. I had done all my training at the FSO.

    I was born into the cult and my parents were avid Hubbard “bible thumpers”. This means they indiscriminately applied the Hubbard ill intended homophobic rhetoric as behavior modification therapy on me from a very young age.

    I grew up with the horrors of the Hubbard homophobic writings, coupled by my father’s stereotypical Mexican machismo and homophobia. Both parents instilled it in me, from early on that “the gays” were the reason that important civilizations such as Rome and Greece were “wiped out” as professed by Hubbard. They believe and follow Hubbard’s every word blindly.

    While this is a completely ignorant and flagrantly false statement; it was all very much a part of Hubbard’s incessant anti-gay terroristic fundamentalism that I had to survive and live amidst.

    There is a generation of us who grew up in the hands of parents who were entrusted to guide us, but who instead as adults fed us ridiculous and dangerous mind altering and behavior modification techniques. I get that adults could be under the spell of the cult but clouding adults common sense leaves all the children involved utterly exposed and vulnerable. As we know so many of the children from this era were not strong enough to survive it and have become in some way or another, horrible examples of Scientology roadkill.

    Adults were driven to make us do things that pure common sense and our American constitution and state laws dictate against. It should have been obvious, except it wasn’t and the result was our youth and formative years were not only stolen and categorically exploited leaving us filled with horrendous experiences that were completely incapacitating given our age.

    I was a child “auditor” as it was common in those days to become. There were several of my good friends back in the day, who were also very young doing auditor “internships” etc.

    For some reason no adult ever cared to see the dangers of the disgusting practice of us “child auditor’s” pulling withholds and having to question perverts about what they wanted to do to you sexually, all while keeping good “TR’s”. We were “praised” and “revered” which actually is horrendous for who in their right mind, should praise a child that interrogates adults in detail about their sexual perversions ad nauseam ?

    In what world’s religion do you have children questioning grown men how they masturbate in detail, pressing them to reveal “what don’t you want us to know about you?” at the age of 13?

    RTC would burn you alive if you accepted a “paper clip” – so you needed to come back to them with horrendous perversions to be considered “good”. For my part I was considered “the best at this practice” having handled over 700+ “red tags” that were all “triple red-tag” “in and over” and all the ridiculous labels that were part of the “RED TAG” line at the FSO. If there was anyone in the Coachman building who could not have a “floating needle” “never F/Ned at Flag” etc. they were sent to me for interrogation.

    I was advised in no uncertain terms that you needed to “stay in” and “pull” as many crimes as possible. At times this would mean 9 hour interrogation sessions as I would “delve” into the world of “perverts” carefully inspecting every single time they did anything perverted as sexual crimes were the most “coveted” prices. All the C/S offices from that place were filled with gossip. All the C/S terminals with discuss at length for all in the “inner circle” to hear what “had come up” to pretend they were keeping an ivory tower rule. The news would travel to the entire base and hit a lot of people’s radars as nothing was confidential. Yet all these adults never stopped to question the premise and means of how these confessions were talking place. And the dehumanized “child auditor” would be considered praised over their skill to deal with sexual perverts, financial crimes, illegal activities and all the other “hot” areas we were directed to “check into”.

    Everyone would find out so much personal information about everyone, the “tech lines” were filled with manipulators and bullies. But the saddest thing is, that it was the young kids like myself (starting at age 12) and many others, that were doing the Church’s perverted dirty work.

    As a result of my toxic indoctrination with this cult I grew accustomed to “sec check”. I went on to do hundreds of interrogations as a “review auditor” only to practice mind altering type techniques of interrogation which given my age and all the other “kids” that were training with me was truly a living nightmare of growing up in levels of extreme psychological warfare.

    I was assigned to the RPF as a minor and had to endure all the horrors that program had to offer.

    ~~~to be continued

    • didn’t tony write article or karen do a video—or both did those things—with a teen auditor, or maybe it was in going clear—-who had grown men confessing masturbation to her……i can’t remember where/who, but i know it was a teen girl hearing this stuff from grown men…..

      • flyonthewall

        I think you’re thinking of Astra Woodcraft? I saw that in her youtube vid interview by Stacy Brooks

        • Ben Franklin

          I think it was the younger woodcraft daughter but it was definitely one of them.

          • flyonthewall

            It was Astra, here’s the vid. Correction: A guy confessed to masturbating and it was her job to “handle” him and tell him not to do it anymore etc. It’s not auditing, some sort of ethics action or something but still messed up.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0FnQbrvhII&t=28m55s

            • Ben Franklin

              Right. For some reason, I thought it was the younger daughter. I always seem to forget her name too.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Zoe. She was messed with, too. Hideous..

        • Maybe? I know I read the account, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t hers…..I’d hope i’d remember the name Astra; but my brain is mush right now…..thanks fly!

      • Liberated

        I think it was a young girl from Britain, the name Woodhouse ? She was 15 or 16 and they stuck her in ethics. She said was so embarrassed to ask grown men about sex stuff. Can you imagine ? Poor girl.

        • Liberated

          Looks like I’m wrong about the name.

    • salin

      I am horrified by this account.

      • flyonthewall

        it’s a nightmare, it really should be in a blog or youtube, somewhere more permanent and accessible than Facebook

        • definitely!!
          ETA: thanks for posting this here!

        • Juicer77

          Agreed, wonder if TO has an interview lined up with him? Might depend on how visible he wants to be to the general public (not just Ex’s) right now.

          • flyonthewall

            He’s very well spoken and obviously very intelligent/self-aware. It would be a great interview, hope it happens

    • MereCatWatcher

      Oh, how very sad. Words cannot say how sorry I am you were subjected to this.

      • flyonthewall

        It’s not my story, I’m just reposting it from another forum

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      And THIS is why so many of us are saying Alex Gibney needs to get back in there and cover the Born In’s of the scientology nightmare, why many of us came back and aren’t going anywhere until the cadet orgs, the slavery of children, the mental and physical abuse of them all ends for good. Oh, and let’s not forget that children are subjected to sec checks and ethics and Purif and screaming at ashtrays. There’s Hubbard’s sec check just for children that is stomach churning abuse all by itself.

      And this child auditor business, I don’t know when it started to be a regular thing, because it certainly didn’t use to be. And the whales at Flag – and the celebrities at Flag – they see and hear these children all the time.

      This is Going Clear II and it needs wide exposure if it’s going to be shut down for real.

    • Ella Raitch

      Gay conversion therapy – just another Scientology crime!! I am reminded of the twitter conversation I had with OITNB fans of Laura Prepon, with those fangirls insisting that Prepon couldn’t be held responsible for the homophobic views of the cult. Screaming on the inside.

  • this cartoon struck me as a perfect visual metaphor of scientologists after leaving the Freewinds

    pic

  • Susan B.

    I just watched a documentary on Netflix called Spanish Lake. Spanish Lake is near St. Louis, MO and it’s what’s called a CDP, a Census-Designated Place, so it’s not a city or town, it’s unincorporated. The movie is about the changes the town went through from the 1950s to the present with regards to demographics, housing, racism & white flight. In the movie there’s mention of the Applied Scholastics headquarters moving into Spanish Lake. There were a few grimaces when interviewees mentioned AS and COS but no interesting stories to recollect except TC was there to smash a bottle of water (ran out of champagne?) against the building when it was officially opened. Going back a few centuries the place has an interesting history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Lake,_Missouri

    • flyonthewall

      Was NOI there? Maybe that’s why he smashed water instead of alcohol?

  • Bunker Buggy Betsy

    Happy Body Dropping Day! Hope we don’t go exterior before our work is done.

    Ryan Prescott is hard at work, harassing people who brought dianetics before he was born!

    https://twitter.com/jdamis/status/692548478476619777

    And the cult sees nothing wrong with this sort of stalking!

    Refresh

    • flyonthewall

      According to his about.me page Ryan writes over 200 letters a week like this and he is saving the world. Can you say, heavily drunk on the kool aid?
      https://about.me/RyanAPrescott

      Here’s his google+ and some excerpts
      page https://plus.google.com/+RyanPrescottOfficial/about

      Hubbard Dianetics Foundation
      Non-Profit Organization, 2012 – present
      I work in the Communications Department with over 10,000 customers in all the years combined and they just keep growing – week after week.

      Church of Scientology of Portland, Oregon
      Religious Organization, 2012 – present
      I am the Communications Personnel for the 70-80,000 visitors overall and they just keep coming in.

      Tagline
      I am a Freedom Fighter!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Love his nice round numbers.

      • Graham

        “over 10,000 customers in all the years combined”.

        As we suspected, the claimed membership of ten million is either a completely made-up figure or they’re counting every single person who ever bought a book ‘in all the years combined’.

        • flyonthewall

          I seriously doubt he had even 10,000 customers since 2012. 70-80,000 visitors and they keep coming in? He’s delusional and/or a liar

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Well I have seen the light. Scientology must really be expanding if they are sending a letter to someone who brought a single book in 1987. I must join straight away to be part of the action. I hope I get a free applebox to stand on as a gift for signing up.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yep, gotta catch that wave! Ha!

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      How could I forget, Ryan.

      • Bunker Buggy Betsy

        He keeps a lower profile on Twitter than goofy John Wood who is now confronting and not shattering everyone there who mentions Scientology.

        Prescott blocked me within seconds of my Scientology reign of protest on Twitter.

    • Racnad

      I just got one of these from LA Org – they must be reaching way back in Central Files these days – it shows how desperate they are.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      “Brad, remember when the guy before Obama was president? Well, remember way before that, when George W’s dad wasn’t even president yet? Yeah way, way back when Ronald Reagan was still president – 1987. Great, then you should also remember buying a book from us that year!”

      Do they realize how ridiculous they are? SMH

  • order66

    Since this is a week of anniversaries, on this day in 1993, the Eighth Wonder of the World went home to Mt. Olympus. Off topic, but important. Good night all.

  • Cece

    There was a Scientology Int News Letter with a new FO in it passed out to everyone at the event. I saved several and in the recent 2 years gave copies to my children and a couple important persons on the fringes of the internet. This should be part of this article. If this has been mentioned – I apologize. Fortunately I’m beginning to find this whole subject somewhat boring and have not read all the comments. I can mail a copy to Tony if needed.
    Add: Well crap. Now I can’t find a copy where it should be nor the LRH letters I saved. LOL. Hopefully Marty or Karen’s filing is better then mine. I can’t talk to the 2 children I gave copies too.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      That would be the “Scientology International News” a glossy print job that covered the “death event” at the Palladium, and the FO would be the infamous “Admiral” FO (for FLAG ORDER”) that claimed that LRH sans body was claiming the title of “Admiral” and raising Pat Broker and Annie Broker to the status of “Loyal Officer.”

      That was the FO that David Miscavige had cancelled as it seemed to pass the control of Scientology to Pat and Annie.

      And what Pat knows, or knew could have brought Miscavige’s reign to an end. Which is why he imprisoned Annie and paid tens of millions of dollars sending PI’s after Pat wherever he went.

      I had a copy for years, but it is long gone now. It is one of those things that signaled everything changing. And it is filled with the lies we were told.

      Yes, please do get it to Tony if he has not already seen it.

      • Vancouverite

        I recently burnt everything I owned… except for this issue and a few deadly issues.

      • Racnad

        I believe I have a copy of it. But as I recall it was mailed out a week or two after the event. It has the “Loyal Officer” promotion, pictures of the Creston Ranch and what or probably the last photo of LRH taken before his death that the Church ever published.

        • Cece

          Yes, it had pictures of the ranch and the horse run there etc. I found it fascinating since so much had been kept hidden even from SO staff – THE trusted SO staff. The FO was different then what was happening. I got my copies at the event I believe. Anyway, as I was looking for it I found a bunch more crap to toss ~ always a good thing. I will never use LRH’s babble to run my life with as I did for some 35 years. It’s quite fun figuring out things myself (smile).

  • Vancouverite

    In Vancouver, on staff, we heard of Hubbard dying by the public who were calling in, asking “is it true”. At first it was, “well of course not!”, but as public were hearing about it on the news, we started to wonder. Then we began asking the executives. At first they were all in denial, and then there had been some sort of communication from management. We were told, ‘there will be an event soon that explains it”. The video event was received and shown several days after that. I was shaken, but sadly lasted another (almost) 30 years.

    • Ben Franklin

      Did you just leave?

      • Vancouverite

        I have close family and friends in. *gulp.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          You only have to reveal what you want. Take it in small steps. Some people use their full names and discuss things totally without reservations, while others only comment once in a while. It’s totally up to you – don’t feel any pressure.

          Just so you know, there is a lot of seriousness here, but also a lot of goofing around – it’s how we get through the day 🙂

          Who knows, maybe you even know some of our commenters!

        • Juicer77

          Sorry to hear this. There are many here with loved ones still in. Johnny Tank gives the best advice on this. Keep your head up and stay strong…. xoxo

        • Graham

          Just be aware that if you are also on Facebook and/or Twitter these things have a habit of joining up with Disqus so that you can inadvertantly give away more clues to your identity than you realise. Make sure your settings prevent this (My own way of coping is to steer clear of Faceberk & Twatter entirely).

        • Ella Raitch

          As others have said V – you’re very welcome here. Of course, do consider your relationships with those still in when determining what you post here. You have given the location where you were on staff and a timeframe – not sure how much this could be narrowed down to identifying you (not trying to make you paranoid – only you can judge how much you’re comfortable letting out online). You can still edit this info out and change your screen name if you wish. Also you can make your Disqus profile private to stop anyone easily looking through your posting history.

          Have a snack and a cocktail. Great to meet you.

      • Vancouverite

        I’m afraid to say anything. I may be stupid for posting even this.

        • Liberated

          Don’t be afraid at all. You’re very welcome, I’m pretty new here too, but not to Scientology. You’re Canadian, everybody loves ya already! I’m so sorry you still have family still in, but talking about it will definitely make you feel better.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Do what makes you feel comfortable, when it makes you feel comfortable. If you aren’t ready to reveal those details, it’s cool…..we’re nosy, but we’ll wait. 😀

          Belated welcome to you. Glad you’re here.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      Welcome to the Bunker, Vancouverite! Take a seat anywhere you like. There’s caek (cake) and refreshments on the table, kittehs (kittens) in the corner, and lots and lots of J&D.

      We’re open 24/7! There are both ex’es and never-in’s here. Don’t be afraid to ask any question you like.

      Just watch out for Jimmy3 and Flyonthewall (AKA Fly) – they are not to be taken seriously. And if you ask nicely TheHoleDoesNotExist (AKA THDNE or just Hole) will sing you a song 🙂

      • Vancouverite

        🙂 🙂 I’m pleased to be welcomed and to greet you.

    • Juicer77

      Welcome, Vancouverite. I hope you are doing well and getting your feet back under you since leaving. We’re glad you’re here. (PS If you haven’t seen this one, Chris Shelton did an interview with Rachel Bernstein, a professional therapist who does “exit” counseling. Worth a watch.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuqiqgjYEB4

      • Dice

        She’s cute!

    • seriouslyWTF

      Yes. Welcome. I lived in Vancouver (Ladner) for a short time when I was a kid. My dad was a bush pilot (seaplanes, ski planes, helicopters) and flew around Britannia beach. He did quite a few rescues and had things named after him. Love that part of the country.

    • OOkpik

      Welcome fellow Vancouverite. Over 30 years! 🙁
      Well, you’re here now and that’s a huge step in the right direction. Come, have a seat. Don’t be shy.

  • Fink Jonas

    Is there a Quadrillion after a trillion? why they got stuck on trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion, etc, what about expressing it to the “n” potency or something, I think they don’t even know how to count.
    All that number is expressing is the amount of insanity on LRH before he died.

    • Dice

      Larry Page had the same problem, so he came up with the name Google, as astronomers is using google to describe ridiculous large numbers. (HEY OSA!!! LRH invented Google!!!)

  • Lighthouse

    The music IS weird! Scn is weird, the people are weird. I’m babbling. SO pleased I’m out! So, very pleased.

    • Ella Raitch

      As are we. One by one, you’re coming home.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Morning Ella (or afternoon…not sure what time it is there) 🙂

        • Ella Raitch

          Early evening for me – new post is 8pm.

          Are you up with the sparrows?

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            I am. Getting boys off to work and school and then back to getting things together for taxes. I actually did have time yesterday to get my dress fitted for Mardi Gras though so…it’s not all work and no play. 😀

            • Ella Raitch

              Woohoo! I’ve been in New Orleans during a Superbowl and that was a parteh! Mardi Gras must be amazing

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              It’s totally nuts during the parades. I always tell people, if you can’t get a condo rental, hotel or something with a balcony that is up above the crowd, be prepared for being packed in like a sardine can. 🙂 If you ever decide to come for a Mardi Gras, let me know. I’ll hook you up so you aren’t in all that craziness but can still enjoy. ; )

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    When I was sitting in the audience with my then spouse (she’d been CS-3, she’d been GI EI, she’d been Flag Banking Officer (FBO Flag during the transition from the Apollo to Daytona/Clearwater), and I was a “non OT”, my spouse was on “NOTs” (OT 5 and incomplete and having trouble), but in 1986 at that moment, I did NOT know that Ray Mitoff was the only person from the Int Base to go up as he was called up by Hubbard, to Creston, to meet with Hubbard in those final weeks of his life.

    Relevant, for history, is hearing from Ray, what Hubbard said “tech” wise to Ray, in those final weeks.

    On top of the revelation from Sarge who was with LRH for those final years and months, and Sarge although Sarge isn’t a “tech” guy like Ray Mitoff (Ray was the senior “tech” guy for years at that point, and to me is a big missing voice in details since he’s still in and is a browbeaten cowed underling to Miscavige, but he’s lived important history more important than Miscavige in terms of Hubbard’s final life’s requests, since Hubbard requested Ray come to Creston, Hubbard didn’t request Miscavige to come be at Hubbard’s deathbed!); the details of Ray’s final visit to Hubbard, I hope Jesse Prince shares what he heard from Ray about those final moments and thoughts of Hubbard to Ray.

    I look forward to Jesse Prince’s book, on the details of those final days at Creston, and Ray’s visit.

    How nutty Hubbard was at the end of his life, I think deserves a whole large chapter of all the details, month by month, and tie it into the “tech” and Hubbard’s ideas, like the “OT Running Program” which I’ve concluded is the Hubbard “tech” research that Miscavige is PR piping about.

    Hubbard did believe in the soul as an ejecting entity that each of us absolutely are in our core being, and that as this ejecting soul that goes flying out of our bodies at death, that’s Hubbard’s thoughts also.

    I think he really believed he was going to go off and do some star circling, as this “next action” for his “case” to rejuvenate himself as an “OT” (meaning OT is the way Scientologists label themselves spiritually, their status as a soul, and “OT” means their soul beingness at any moment, it’s painful to even think these Hubbard thoughts, but Hubbard believed in his made up thoughts about the soul’s capabilities and the soul’s cruising out into space at will at death, like he fantasized he was now going to be flying out of his body and go soaring around a star, like doing laps about a track, as therapy for his soul).

    It’s pretty clear from the data I’ve heard, that this spin that this was “new research” is just the 1979 “Running Program” tech theory, since in the 1978-79 “running program” advices there is the comment that circling large circles or ovals in space was an ancient “OT” therapy done in ancient space civilizations Hubbard said. That’s the “OT theory” behind today’s Super Power Building’s “Cause Resurgence Rundown” that is delivered at Flag. That’s why they claim that that rundown, the Cause Resurgence Rundown, in an “OT rundown” in effect, since it mimics this OT therapy that Hubbard said ancient “OT” supersouls did in ancient space civilizations for their rejuvenating therapy when they needed rejuvenation.

    The briefing we got at this 1986 Palladium Hubbard Death/Funeral event meant Hubbard was going out and doing things to himself as a pure soul free of his body, giving himself some form of soul therapy.

    I didn’t put two and two togeter though, until I read Lawrence Wright’s book final pages, and then further detailed in Marty’s 3rd book, Chapter 24. And having read the “running program” advices.

    It’s all BS to me now, since it’s all fantasy, it’s all a snipe hunting con operation for sure.

    I’m glad Tony’s straining all the material and getting down to what actually is available reliably.

    I do think to really get Hubbard we’d have to have further access to the CST stuff, and I hope Shelly Miscavige leaks a whole bunch of new material, since she’s in the perfect position to leak a lot of stuff.

    I hope Ray Mitoff get out and speaks some details.

    I look forward to Jesse Prince’s upcoming book, and hope he gives more details of the conversations he had with Ray Mitoff regarding Hubbard’s after life plans like going doing the OT running program circling a star, like Hubbard told Sarge.

  • Sine qua non

    Ugh…I could only handle watching about 10 seconds of that uber dreary, utterly absurd funeral segment with Starkey droning on ridiculously about Hubbard. Boring!

    To LRH: Bro, how’s that extracorporeal out-of-body research going? Let us know if you figure anything helpful to this planet. News flash-your “findings” during your 20th go-around here on poor old Earth/Teegeack have only made things worse. 🙁 I’m pissed-now we Bunkerites have to spend time trying to remedy the damage you did. 🙁

    So far, the only thing you’ve “cleared” is…everyone out of downtown Clearwater, FL. Everyone, that is, except for your abused, brainwashed Sea Org minions and the few deluded, defrauded public who pay big bucks to visit the Stupor Powers building where they hone such important abilities as “oiliness” perceptivity.

    You plagiarized and contorted bits and pieces of psychology and psychiatry, cobbled them together with science fiction and occult concepts, and dubbed it a copyrighted “religion” (wink, wink). Its tax-exempt status has sucked millions/billions of dollars from hoodwinked whales. Proud? Don’t be. The money is wasted on huge, lavish, and mostly empty buildings.

    Tax-exempt contributions also have underwritten the printing of countless books and pamphlets that people buy and don’t read-or is given and immediately tosses. And let’s not forget how much money your “cherch” has wasted on elaborate videos and Super Bowl ads that convince almost no one to sign on as a Scilon.

    There’s no telling how much money you’ve diverted from the United State government-money that should have been taxed. Heck, no one LIKES taxes, but we need them. How else can we pay for essential government functions-for example, employing Federal judges who so far have been pretty easy on Scientology? Uncle Sam also underwrites food stamps. Most of your Sea Org members would probably qualify for them! So I’ll even give you credit for worsening the national deficit.

    Worst of all, your confabulation has destroyed “disconnected” families, brought pain and misery to your tortured, RPF’d, forced abortioned, barely paid Sea Org-ers, and shortened the lives of your dedicated followers. I hope Lisa McPherson, among others, is giving you lots of grief if you inhabit the same “plane” right now. (No, not a DC-10–even Xenu doesn’t use those anymore, you goof!)

    LRH, I’ve reconsidered. Don’t bother coming back to Earth-or any planet-to share your research findings after all. It’s better for us to figure it out ourselves.

    Just stay out there wherever you are. Have a nice day. :-p

  • SP Wogsy

    Hilarious introduction! I’m still waiting for King Kong to jump out on stage and yell, “Rawr!!!!!”