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Scientology’s appeal on rehab zoning fight in Maryland to be heard today

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We’re hoping to get a report today from some correspondents on the scene when Scientology’s administrative appeal in Frederick County, Maryland is argued in a court of law.

If you’ve been following along with our coverage, you know that Scientology’s property front, Social Betterment Properties International (SBPI), has been trying a creative sidestep past local zoning rules to put a new Narconon drug rehab clinic in that county after it purchased an aging fishing camp named Trout Run for $4.85 million. Scientology had learned that if SBPI could get the fish camp put on the county’s list of historic places, then it could get a zoning exception that would allow it to renovate the camp and open it as a rehab.

But Scientology’s stealthy plan was uncovered, and the county council heard from opponents who didn’t want Scientology’s plan to succeed. On June 2, the county council, in a 6-1 vote, turned down the request to put Trout Run on the historic list, saying that it really didn’t qualify as a historic place, even if President Herbert Hoover had reportedly once angled there, and the location had stood in for Camp David for some scenes in the television series The West Wing.

Now, Scientology has filed suit, asking for an administrative review of the council’s vote. We wrote stories when Scientology filed its argument, the county responded, and then Scientology replied to that response.

The county’s position is that its council did nothing improper when it decided that Trout Run is not historic. Scientology’s position is that the council ignored evidence that Trout Run was historic because it discriminated against Scientology as a religion.

One of the people who will be in the courtroom of County Circuit Judge William R. Nicklas in Frederick today is researcher Mary McConnell, who gave us a rundown on what might happen. We mentioned in our last story that Scientology filed numerous motions asking Judge Nicklas to strike responses by people, including Mary, who the court considers interested parties in the dispute. She says that she expects the judge will first deal with that request from the church.

After that, she says, Judge Nicklas may permit oral arguments from both sides, but he may also simply rule on the matter based on the pleadings that have already been submitted. Well, that’s exciting.

As soon as we hear from our correspondents, we’ll let you know what they have to say.

UPDATE: We just had a telephone conversation with Mary McConnell, who gave us some basics on how the hearing went today.

First, the news. Judge Nicklas did hear oral arguments from the two sides today, and gave himself 30 days to render a decision. Mary said she found the hearing to be a lot of fun as Judge Nicklas proved to be knowledgeable about the subject areas in general (including drug rehab) and in the case facts in particular.

Mary said that SBPI’s attorneys (SBPI is a subsidiary of the Church of Scientology) tried to convince the judge that this was really a zoning case, but he wasn’t having it.

“They kept trying to make this a zoning case, but he was on their game and said he knew it wasn’t a zoning matter,” Mary says.

The dispute is really about whether the Frederick County Council acted properly when it voted not to put Trout Run on its list of historic places, even after its own Historic Preservation Commission recommended that it be added.

SBPI tried to convince Judge Nicklas that the council had always, in the past, simply accepted the recommendation of the commission. This was the first time it did not put a place on the historic list after the Commission recommended it. SBPI seemed to imply that the council had an obligation to follow the commission’s suggestion.

But Mary says Judge Nicklas resisted that argument. “He’s not falling for that,” she told us. “He pointed out that they may follow the recommendation. They argued over the word ‘may’.”

The other side, meanwhile, tried to keep things focused and simple. “The county’s attorney was clear: This is a legislative issue, not a zoning one,” Mary said.

We asked Mary how the judge reacted when SBPI’s attorney brought up the notion that the Church of Scientology had been discriminated against.

“He totally ignored it,” she said. And perhaps also telling, when SBPI brought up what had been said in public meetings to the council about Scientology invading the county and being a ‘cult,’ the judge pointed out more than once that the people who had made those statements were respected members of the community. Oops.

Anyway, it sounds like Judge Nicklas is very clear on what’s at stake in this case, and that Scientology’s usual tricks didn’t confuse matters. But we always hate to guess how a judge is going to decide. We’ll just have to find out in the next month.

 
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Chill EB spreading holiday cheer

Oh, how did we miss this? Our favorite Scientology rapper, Norman “Chill EB” Berry, put out a holiday song for his church friends titled “Santa Homie,” and we’re only now finding out about it. We think you’ll agree with us that it’s a classic of the form. Burl Ives, you got nothing on Chill!

Also, we dig this flier for Chill’s appearance this Saturday in Tampa. We sure wish we could go.

 
ChillTampa

 

 
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  • Draco

    Pretty sure this is what the judge would like to say…f5

    • Why oh WHY can’t they end up in front of Judge Judy some time?!?! Come on, let me have that day dream cuz that’d be worth a convoy of popcorn!!

      • Draco

        If she had CoS in her court room, she would be more like this: f5

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Good thing I’m the only one left in the office right now, because I just snort-laughed really loud!

  • 9001

    I’m not watching Chile Zzz. I’ll be dissing him if I do! It might hurt his feelings :p

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtBc5ABgYEM

    • Spackle Motion

      I lurve those two.

      • beauty for ashes

        I love Jemaine<3 <3.

        • Spackle Motion

          I love the Kiwi-inside jokes, in particular the ‘dumb American can’t understand a Kiwi’ jokes. I experience that every day (my spouse is a Kiwi).

    • Qbird

      oh so sweet & funny.

      • 9001

        Glad that you like Qbird ๐Ÿ™‚

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          The guy with the glasses looks like he could be the nerdy son of Mick Jagger.

          Wait, make that nerdy grandson of Mick Jagger.

          Wait, you DO know who Mick Jagger is, right?

          • 9001

            Jermaine’s grandfather?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Hah love it – much better rappers!

      • 9001

        Glad you like!
        Not heard Chile Zzz but I can imagine they’re better.
        FOTC is my favourite rap music ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Chee Chalker

      It’s the Rhyme-noceros!

      • 9001

        Indeed it is! I almost posted that…”there ain’t no party like my Nanna’s tea party!”

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Frederick-Co-Scientology-Backed-Group-at-Odds-364168211.html

    SBPI (Co$) Attorney Jennifer Kneeland:

    โ€œIt is clear from the record that the departure from the treatment that all prior historical preservation applicants were afforded, coupled with the clear, religious animus exhibited against petitioner, shines a light on the โ€˜Not in My Backyardโ€™ mentality that improperly guided the councilโ€™s decision. Social Betterment Properties International owns the property and has always intended to preserve this beautiful, unique area for the county.โ€

    Yes, of course. Everyone who tells Scientology “no” is a religious bigot. Ummm…intended to improve the area for the county?? By turning it into a private rehab that will be surrounded with ‘No Trespassing’ signs and security cameras?? Ms. Kneeland…do you even hear yourself?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Ms Kneeland mostly likely only hears the bells of her early retirement ringing – from the Bells of Beverly Hills.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        She knows there is a fat check from a Cayman bank headed her way.

        I’d love to see what the Tiny Despot spends on legal every year.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Me too. Only the IRS knows.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I have only two words for Ms. Kneeland: Shut. Up.

      It’s–what? January 4?–and my patience with the usual BS arguments is already gone. It’s gonna be a long year…

    • Qbird

      ~like~

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Hah I just posted this. doh

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Oops, sorry for the repost. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Joe

      Not to mention, the logical application of her argument is that the County is basically a rubber-stamp for the Preservation Commission, which is explicitly contrary to what the statute empowers the County to do? The real question becomes when can the County say no? Since the County has agreed with the HPC in the past, they are somehow prohibited from disagreeing ever again?

    • Lucille Austero

      Yes! Hopefully this is yet another in a continuing series of massive fails for the cherch! Their deranged public wailings will do them in.

    • ze moo

      The pictures of the ‘cabins’ show that a lot of interior work has to be done to make them livable. Nothing says ‘historic’ like pink fiberglass insulation and triple glassed windows.

  • Sejanus

    Just subjected someone to the Chill EB thing.
    They just shook their head laughed and said WTF is that shit?
    Background music sounds like an old Hammond Organ.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Sorry Chilli Dick, but that was pretty lame for a rapper.
    Does he do any work outside of COS fundraisers anyway? I cant imagine his crap music is in big demand.
    It seems this trout run judge has COS number, but not getting my hopes up, we have been let down before.

    • Lucille Austero

      Chill is a “$cientology Celebrity.”

      • Missionary Kid

        Big fish, for a puddle.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        I wonder how much he has donated over the years for that legendary status.
        Maybe I should go round calling myself an “Underground Bunker Celebrity” too and acting like Iam famous and important as well. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Missionary Kid

          Go for it. Unfortunately, we’re all equal here, and some are more equal than others. .

          • TheMirrorThetan

            Nah, that would make me a giant arsehole and we have had enough giant arseholes here lately. The bunkers better when it is an arsehole-free zone. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Missionary Kid

              *Chuckles* ๐Ÿ™‚

    • ReallyMGM

      I can’t bring myself to look at the video after seeing his GoFundMe site. Poor guy was begging for money to make demo or something. It wasn’t that much money considering how much he has probably given to Co$. I don’t think he ever reached the goal amount.

      • Qbird

        I didn’t. This one is easy to let go. Don’t think I’ll miss anything of importance.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        I was curious because I haven’t heard him before, and now that I have, I can see I wasn’t missing much, and I wont be bothering next time.

  • OTD:OutTheDoor

    Send warmth to the feral kittties I feed. The next few days will be hard for them with below freezing temps. They got a belly full today and will go under a building for remainder of the night.

    • Juicer77

      Thank you for helping them. Did you know you can make winterized “nests” for them fairly cheaply? http://www.humanesociety.org/news/magazines/2010/07-08/simple_shelter_design.html?credit=web_id383254710

      • beauty for ashes

        I was thinking about snowsuits for them, but I knew you’d have a smart solution. It would be funny to see them walk in snowsuits though. They might just fall over. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Juicer77

          LOL! They do look sleek and healthy. Great job ๐Ÿ™‚

          • OTD:OutTheDoor

            Yes, they are beautiful, have nice coats, and maintain a good weight. Thanks for caring. I used to consider feeding ferals a bad idea. I don’t have pets at home. I have fully reversed my thinking.

            • Juicer77

              Feeding + trap-neuter-release programs (for neutering and basic vaccinations) makes the entire neighborhood healthier. ๐Ÿ™‚ This is nice to hear ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Missionary Kid

          Like Ralphie in A Christmas Story.

      • OTD:OutTheDoor

        It’s tricky: they come through a fence and live on the other side. It is difficult as is because the grounds-keeping staff don’t like the feeding area. The staff would never go for the winter quarters. I did check it out though.

    • Missionary Kid

      I hope that you can catch them and get them fixed. The feral cat and dog population is a real problem because of breeding.

  • OTD:OutTheDoor

    Here are two of 4.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    So the caretaker at Trout Run, Louise Barry, has spoken in the past about how the couple who sold it were deliberately exaggerating historic significance because it was hard to move the property for sale, and also problems with putting in septic tanks. She points out specific items they fibbed about that were quite obvious.

    “A wooden bridge across Little Hunting Creek, built by Barryโ€™s brother-in-law, currently bears a sign with the name โ€œFDR Bridge.โ€ “The bridge was built in the 1980s, Barry said โ€” Roosevelt never saw it.” LOL

    http://www.fredericknewspost.com/news/environment/natural_resource/myths-obscure-trout-run-s-past/article_4fad9e69-6a00-5a69-82c1-87989f47aa52.html

    • OTD:OutTheDoor

      Great article. Thanks for digging it up and.posting.

    • PRenaud

      haaa so $$$$cientology can also be scammed, that’s fantastic.

      • Qbird

        poetic justice.

    • ze moo

      The third picture shows an ‘outdoor pavilion’, but the whole thing is indoors?? Ok, the one side opens up to the ‘outdoors’ but ?????

      Many clam lies in that story. “Narconon is a drug rehabilitation program that receives donations from
      the Church of Scientology, according to church director Sylvia Stanard.” No, NarCONon pays $cienoville, not the other way around.

      Some local sold someone on getting CO$ to buy in. They are very good scammers. CO$ got taken with this one. I enjoy that…..

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It’s quite plausible Dave or a Northeaster whale thought it would be a real boost in status – a state official, presidents, and the real fact that stars of the old days were invited there. All about the status these days. And yeah, it does seem like Dave would get pissed being conned by someone else.

        It’s kind of delicious.

        • Observer

          So much for the old adage “You can’t con a con.”

    • OOkpik

      So the scammers who sold it may be in deep doo-doo but the COS will still come up smelling like a hose.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        A hose by any other name

        • OOkpik

          Exactly! ๐Ÿ™‚

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    “Frederick Co., Scientology-Backed Group at Odds” NBC TV Washington

    http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Frederick-Co-Scientology-Backed-Group-at-Odds-364168211.html

    • ReallyMGM

      I hope Assistant County Attorney Wendy Kearney knows about Co$ “fair game” and has an excellent security system.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Eh, I think their scorched earth legal tactics is all they need to spend on this one now that the lights are on and the cat’s gotten out. my 2 1/2 cents.

        • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

          Well, let’s still hope the cat gets home safely. ; )

        • ReallyMGM

          Yeah, they have been quite loud in Fredrick county for awhile now. The locals are probably so sick of their s____.

        • Joe

          Not to mention, with people far more cognizant of their dirty tricks, if anything “random” were to happen to the judge or the co. attorney or the co. council members, they would be suspect number one.

      • OTD:OutTheDoor

        Careful with their pets. Let’s just say pets were fair game in the past.

        • Ben Franklin

          Hubbard’s tech is always the same whether it is 1958 or 2016.

          • OTD:OutTheDoor

            Despite what so many apologists for LRH say. “Back in the halcyon days, this sort of thing (whatever the issue) just did not happen. Ron would never have allowed it.” Yeah right. The narrative that Dave “ran it all into the ground” makes me puke every time I hear it, which is daily.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              There are some yes, some no. Definitely are differences.

              Of course the main difference now is Internet, and the Bunker. Only now are we finding so many dirty little secrets from hubbard’s days. But there were more fun moments, not as severe with public and class 4 orgs and missions. But as far as Ron not allowing the dark and evil and nasty, hell yess he did.

            • OTD:OutTheDoor

              Plus, there were more people involved, which, no doubt, made it more fun to be a scitol. Must be downright depressing to see one’s local org so empty now. I empathize with people though and appreciate the voices of former members. As a never-in, I try not to throw stones.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              You probably haven’t heard the one about the naked clams in the hot tubs sipping wine then! hah no, really!

            • Robert Eckert

              Steamed clams in a white wine sauce?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Exactly!

            • OTD:OutTheDoor

              I have seen a few clams I wouldn’t mind hitting the hot tubs with.

            • Ben Franklin

              In Scientology, things don’t just happen there always someone to blame.

            • And they never went after kids, pets or journalists during Marty’s watch.

              It must have been the cleaning staff at 4am while everyone was asleep under their desks.

        • Qbird

          I despise that this is true. Makes me black mad.

  • Rob Smith

    I suspect this has already been posted here (off topic), but I found it quite amusing (Jaden modelling LV):

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jaden-smith-louis-vuitton_568a6a19e4b0b958f65c0fa7?cps=gravity_2425_-5922028517652989284

    • ReallyMGM

      Jaden thinks he is setting a trend but dudes were wearing skirts in Scotland centuries ago.

      #idiot

    • Ella Raitch

      The only thing this photo needs is a bit of Joy Villa – wonder if Jaden could hook her up.

      BTW – is this really for real? That ‘fashion shoot’ photo looks like something a high school photography student might produce. Bet those teenagers wouldn’t look so surly if you fed them a milkshake.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        As some of the commentors picked up on, those teenage girls look ill and anorexic. How is it that guru Jaden didn’t notice that and get them help – how about “Get to a doctor” as his fashion statement?

        As to clothes, meh – clothes have always been a way of expression, creativity and for teenagers, a way to rebel.

    • Who are the other dudes?

    • Margie8

      Both of those kids get on my last nerve! Oh, they make me mad! I wanna slap their parents. The face that child makes all the time, like something smells REALLY bad, oooh it’s aggravating! Stupid parents!!!

      • Rob Smith

        But his tweets are {good}:

        “I Should Just Stop Tweeting, The Human Consciousness Must Raise Before I Speak My Juvenile Philosophy.”

        https://twitter.com/officialjaden/status/386301389229408256?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

        • Missionary Kid

          Of course, he isn’t going to follow his own advice.

        • stanrogers

          The charitable part of me wants to believe this is a Dr. Bronner in the making, and there will be a wonderful, benign new soap bottle in our futures. The other 99% (I’m not that charitable, it turns out) is thinking Time Cube.

      • Enturbulated Masterbator

        Haven’t you heard? Their sh*t don’t stink!

  • nottrue

    TROUT you better RUN…Also render unto Caesar .. no more tax loopholes in Aust. .https://newmatilda.com/2016/01/05/no-more-tax-loopholes-its-time-for-faith-groups-to-render-unto-caesar/

    • Qbird

      Snakefish… bad fish. bad. Invasive species; Came up the Potomac.
      Not a quality fish, but I’m sure it puts up a hell of a fight.

  • Hamtaro

    I think Scientology is eventually going to win this Trout Run lawsuit. It just seem pointless to continue to dispute its historical significance and connection to the Presidency. I’ve seen all seven seasons of The West Wing and President Bartlet spent a lot of time there. Fact.

    • And who knows how many more world leaders he met there that were not feautured in that documentary.

    • Sarah James

      ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Qbird

      FACT.

    • Ben Franklin

      That would be very devastating for all the trouts over there because now they would have to share that space with all the clams

      • Observer

        Talk about an invasive species!

      • CLEARly pissed off

        drugged out clams…

      • scottmercer

        Mmmmmmmm….trout and clams…

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      oh gawd, I just had this vision of Miscavige doing a “fireside chat from Camp DAVE” and broadcasting it via his new studio toy, sitting on a “presidential” rocker, maybe smoking a pipe, flames crackling in the fireplace, with Tom curled up at his feet, petting his …

      Okay, I think my bread cravings have begun. Gahhhhhh

      • Enturbulated Masterbator

        And his scotch. Don’t forget the scotch.

  • Lionel Drinkwater

    Scientologists Barbara Wiseman and Diane Wagenbrenner Bush of the Lawrence Anthony Earth Organization vitally need your help to sell a miraculous oil-eating microorganism technology to governments. To date they have raised $5,248 of $75,000 on their gofundme page. But they need more money if they are to sell their aforementioned miraculous oil-eating microorganism technology. I am confident this is not a scam like the blue laundry ball scam in which I lost money.

    https://player.vimeo.com/video/133934202

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      They tried hard to run a scam during the oil spill in the Gulf. They’ve raised $5K in what, 5 years?

      • Lionel Drinkwater

        Why I’ll have you know that Scientologists Barbara Wiseman and Diane Wagenbrenner Bush and the Lawrence Anthony Earth Organization know more about the tech of handling oil spills than the US Environmental Protection Agency. Surely their tech is much better than Reed Slatkin’s investments in which I also lost money.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj_3cVNK1uQ

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Ouch – Reed caught many in his web. I’ll watch this later. I had my fill checking up on these bottom feeders during the oil spill. Blood boiled. No conscience detected anywhere, not even under the rocks from whence they crawled. creepy crawlers they be

          • Lionel Drinkwater

            Yvette Taylor of the Church of Scientology Durban can’t be wrong. She too is part of the
            Lawrence Anthony Earth Organization. This nonprofit group sells expensive safaris in Zululand to raise awareness. I cannot possibly lose money investing in this miraculous oil-eating microorganism technology in the same way I lost money investing with the Feshbach brothers.

            https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/1260859_614793918571611_2103733522_n.jpg?oh=66f625b020d495ea15dd09e673f13d25&oe=570BCADB

            • Qbird

              crap.

            • Lionel Drinkwater

              Scientology celebrity Anne Archer is a spokesperson for the Lawrence Anthony Earth Organization and she is so emotionally stable and wise that I can’t possibly lose money by investing in this miraculous oil-eating microorganism technology in the same way I lost money investing with Richie Acunto and Survival Insurance.

            • Qbird

              ah! The Wharf Waif of Marina Del Rey! Lost his trophies to eBay.

              Too bad his costly certainty did not ensure his financial survival.

              Condolences on your investment loss, Lionel Drinkwater.

            • noseinabk

              You should relax with some Kaqun Water and give a thought to investing some funds in a few Cardone University classes or books before you lose everything you have.

            • Lionel Drinkwater

              My Kayqun water franchise lost money but only because my payments to WISE were so high. WISE had me do an Org board and soon I had ten employees, all fellow Scientologists, to man up the Org board per Wise specifications. We sold less than one machine per month and I was losing money faster than these miraculous oil-eating microorganisms can eat oil. My Kaygun water franchise went belly up like John Travolta near the end of a massage. I had to fire my employees. Good thing they were all working straight commission or I would have lost even more money than I did when I invested money with fellow Scientologists in ostrich eggs.

            • Missionary Kid

              $cientology is just one scam producing other scams.

            • noseinabk

              Sir, I hate to be the one to make such a vulgar suggestion and am only trying to help so here goes… it may be time to auction some of those Ted Stourton masterpieces you have collected.

            • Lionel Drinkwater

              I tried to offload exchange my Ted Stourton collection to the IAS for $100,000 in credit towards my next highest IAS status. The IAS reps beat me senseless and I was placed in a lower condition.

            • salin

              And I bet you would do better than when you invested with Slatkin.

            • Supper Powers

              I had to get up and eat a PB&J and drink a glass if milk when I read all of this. It is really upsetting.

        • Ben Franklin

          Why does it have to be named Lawrence Anthony? Who is that?

      • Qbird

        “So we’ve been working to educate industry and government officials about this technology as well as others [โ€ฆ] Number 1 – make a donation.”
        Sounds perfectly legit. Say no more. Iโ€™m in!
        But only because I want to win the free safari!

    • Ben Franklin

      If there is a true oil-eating microorganism out there, Jenny Craig would be out of business.

      • Supper Powers

        Hate to burst your bubble, but there is. These folks may be con jobs, but as a former government researcher who worked on the Gulf, it’s legit.

        • OOkpik

          Ben’s comment is still funny.

          • Supper Powers

            Yeah I reread it. It is! And the BS those people are pushing pisses me off because real scientists are trying to figure out a way to address real ecological disasters. When these yahoos come along and suggest it’s easy to “fix” problems with this kind of stuff, it undermines the real research being conducted and confuses people about what we are capable of “fixing”. Dimwits.

            • Lionel Drinkwater

              Dear Supper Powers, how can this miraculous oil-eating microorganism technology be BS? Have you read the scientific peer-reviewed data at the Scientologist-staffed Protect Marine Life Now website? http://protectmarinelifenow.org/

              Not that I want to come across as yet another shrill money-grubbing crass Scientology alarmist out to make a buck, but the Lawrence Anthony Earth Organization has discovered that the Psychs in the EPA are acting to suppress vital planetary-saving knowledge. These EPA Psychs are running the same scam as their evil cohorts in Big Pharma:

              http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab203/lioneldrinkwater/Earth.Org.1_zpsulnuys8s.png

        • Missionary Kid

          The question would be, “Is this one legit?” Apparently Supper Powers answered this below. This isn’t legit.

          • Missionary Kid

            Oops. I read your comment below. It isn’t legit. I’m changing my post.

          • Supper Powers

            Ecotoxicology is not my field, but i used to drink with those types!

            I know Ricki. She is very passionate. I think a lot of her work is beneficial and I think some confuses the hell out of the public. The field of microorganisms is really promising and we are getting there. It’s too soon to say we found the answer because ecosystems are complex, we can’t usually run wide scale experiments that produce meaningful results and nature bats last. What microorganisms do with digested oil can vary based on oil type, salinity of water, and other variables, so I won’t say it’s a done deal. I’ll say it’s a promising work in progress.

            • Lionel Drinkwater

              But do these microorganisms consume oxygen faster than chemicals and thus result in faster and higher fish kills in the short term?

            • Supper Powers

              I’d have to see the COD v BOD data to know.

            • Lionel Drinkwater

              I only wanted to know because if there is a faster fish kill then the Church can collect the dead fish, can them, and sell them as “hydrocarbon marinated fish” in overseas markets where there is no legal scrutiny.

            • Supper Powers

              I majin so.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yes, ecosystems are incredibly complex, and there are always the unforeseen unintended consequences.

              A classic one was the introduction of mongooses to Hawaii.

              A plastic-eating microbe would clear up a lot of pollution, but it could also degrade plastic used for things like boats.

              What would happen if an oil-eating bacteria found a niche in an oil storage tank? Some people are claiming that the dispersants that were spread on the oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico did additional harm to the ecosystem.

              Whatever is done in the name of science could have consequences that could be like opening Pandora’s box. What about mutation of an organism designed to eat oil? The possibilities could be horrifying or they could be beneficial.

            • Supper Powers

              I never thought about the microbes affecting boats or storage tanks etc. good thoughts to keep in mind. Thanks.

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s the result of reading cautionary science fiction tales for over 60 years, and seeing experiments go wrong when scaled up from the small localized tests to actual real world situations.

              One of the oldest ecological disasters was the widespread use of DDT. Now, apparently there is some real problems with chemicals applied to plants that are causing bee hive collapses. Bees and other insects are so important in plant fertilization that their deaths will have a real impact on crop production.

            • Supper Powers

              Pollinators and water are the two most crucial ecological issues we are having next to habitat loss. Good observation.

            • Missionary Kid

              The basic problem is that there are just too many people on a planet with finite resources or resources that are increasingly harder to utilize. (Water, mineral energy sources, elements).

              Much of global warming is simply the sum of all of the carbon and other elements that we’ve been dumping into the atmosphere while reducing the amount of carbon trapping plant life. Since WWII, that rate has exceeded all of the burning of fuel by man from the beginning, IIRC.

              Our food sources depend on plants that have had relatively stable weather. Climate change will make those plants unable to produce at the level that they have at present.

              I’m 71, and the world population was around 2.5 billion when I was born, and it’s now close to 6 billion.

              We have been fortunate in that science has enabled us to increase food production, but the increases are going to diminish while the population increase rate is going up.

              I come from a background (fundamentalist Christian) that is divided between people looking forward to Armageddon, those that believe that god is in charge and will not allow man to suffer the consequences of his activities, and those who feel that they should be stewards of the earth. Unfortunately, most of them have a sense of entitlement. They are fools, playing with their children’s lives.

            • Supper Powers

              I really could not have said it better. I agree with you!

            • Enturbulated Masterbator

              Very good point! This is why one should never believe anyone when they say “the science is in” because scientific study is never finished. Even the laws describing gravity would change if an action were to occur that affected it in a manner not yet observed. Even climate change (a redundant term if there ever was one) is not settled science and never will be as long as we have proper scientists.

            • Missionary Kid

              While it’s true that climate change isn’t “settled science” because, like everything else, there may be factors that are unknown, the predictive model that is being used to forcast the changes is doing a pretty good job of approximating what the observations are.

              For example, while Newton was unaware of the Einstein theories, his model describing the actions of mass and gravity were pretty good here on earth, and still are.

            • Enturbulated Masterbator

              In other news, Jayden Smith’s modelling is predictive of his continued future a**-holiness.

            • Missionary Kid

              Hey, the Kartrashians have a career. Why not Mr. Twerp?

            • Enturbulated Masterbator

              Thank your for showing the proper respect he deserves by addressing him as Mister.

            • Missionary Kid

              *Laughing*

              Putting Jaden and “respect” in the same sentence fortells the end of the civilization as we know it.

            • Enturbulated Masterbator

              What can I say, I’m a truth-seer and sayer.
              As for the end of civilization, $cientology can help you with that.

            • Missionary Kid

              Do you mean that $cientology can help me with that like it helped Jaden?

              One thing that Gad Saad got right was that Jaden is an example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

            • Enturbulated Masterbator

              Yes! He is now a Big Being.
              Unfortunately I had a partner in a professional services consulting firm who suffered from this same effect. The only cure was my departure.

            • Missionary Kid

              How did he fare after you left?

            • Enturbulated Masterbator

              He is still just barely this side of respectability. The company still exists despite his best efforts to self-sabotage. They call me every year to ask for my help and I decline. He even hires consultants to call me and ask me how and why certain things were done. I’m polite but I don’t trust him and am trying to avoid awaking to a horse head in my bed.

            • Missionary Kid

              Is he a $cientologist?

            • Enturbulated Masterbator

              No. But funny you should ask. He grew up in one of the huge mega-church/televangelist empires and I believe that is the cause of his demons. If I named it, you would know it. Some on the stories he told me about it were horrifying…much like $cientology. Basically, child neglect and emotional abuse.

            • Missionary Kid

              It was one thing to grow up fundamentalist like I did, and even though my parents and the denomination I was raised in tried to dictate how we should think, there wasn’t the strong-armed psychological conformity enforcement that a group like that can have in the situation I grew up in.

              Self-sabotage happens because a person is raised with the idea that they basically are unworthy (in the sight of god or other people). Some overcompensate by refusing to admit that they may not know something. The real pros in the fields that I’m familiar with don’t have to show what they know. They just are competent.

              If they don’t know something, they’ll work and educate themselves or hire good people and give them free reign, with their goals set out for them. They don’t have to portray themselves as supremely able. They just do the job the right way.

        • Ben Franklin

          I know. Just having fun

          • Supper Powers

            I like you. You are always having fun!

      • Missionary Kid

        And Krusty would be thin.

      • kemist

        Not the same oil.

      • Supper Powers

        This is really alarming to me. ETA the number of Scientologists involved is bothersome.

  • Margie8

    Notice the comment from one Kannon Feshbach? Wonder if they helped fund his thingy he was asking for on Facebook?

  • OTD:OutTheDoor

    Hungry SO workers may be able to fish and enjoy balanced meals there. Fuck it. Let them have the place to up their omega-3 intake.

    • Ben Franklin

      That’s assuming they would even get time to fish.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        That’s assuming Miscavige wouldn’t restock it with piranha.

        • The first time that they get behind on their septic tank cleaning bill, those piranha will have a really bad day.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            ewwwww

            • It’d happen. Scientology organizations skim off most of the cash to send uplines, and are left with fumes to operate. Paying those wog bills is barely ahead of staff pay in priority, and they’ll short-sheet the bills that won’t be an immediate problem, until it is.

              They’d have to install a big septic tank for the whole place, and pay to have it emptied regularly. When the company won’t do any more unpaid service, what’s the quickest and cheapest way to make the toilets run on time?

              Fluuuush!

              Narconon’s Trash Service Halted March 6, 1993, Michael McNutt, News OK

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              and when they got busted, they’d be in court huffing and puffing, “But it’s HOLY Water!”

            • Please separate your church’s water from the state’s stream. Thank you.

          • Observer

            Just ask the piranha at Saint Hill.

          • Cosmo Pidgeon

            “Gary Smith, president of Narconon Chilocco, said he was unaware there was a problem with paying the facility’s trash bill. ” Oh, that trash.

        • JanInThePan

          Nah. He wants sharks with fricking laser beams attached to their fricking heads..

  • salin

    Mary’s report puts a little groove in my step. Needed a little bounce in the step today. Thought I would share.

    Here’s an oldie that can be heard as a metaphor (not perfect – but when replace credit with credibility – it starts working) for the Co$ going into 2016, not fully aware (thanks bubble!) of the lasting effects of the torrents of enturbulation of 2015 that are building more storms – maybe even a few giant tidal waves.

    Oh – we’re the fierce ones ๐Ÿ˜€

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7FX6sAL0Zw

    • April

      I loved Living Colour back in the day. And Vivid is still a solid rock album, especially Cult of Personality.

      • salin

        the Cult of Personality is what caught my attention, back in the day. Classic. This is less classic, but ‘fun’ in the right mood – and its a great snark/mock.

        • jazzlover

          What sets them apart is that they can play anything. This, while not loud, kicks some serious ass — you can tell there’s nuance in their playing. The drummer (a serious jazzer) and the bass player went to Berklee Music School in Boston with a friend of mine. He told me all the drummers at the school used to line up to watch Will Calhoun rehearse (he makes Grohl seem like a neanderthal basher):

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQcPB1WkISI

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            Well, Grohl IS a neanderthal basher–or was, I guess. But that’s why so many of us loved him.

            LC never quite got the love they deserved, IMO.

            • jazzlover

              They are better than G ‘n R by a long shot. LA glam went a long way in the late 80s. As a former drummer, I can tell you that Grohl can’t play a lick. He is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad, and not in a good way ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Not as bad as Matt Sorum. That dude ruined the entire Burnin’ for Buddy concert in NYC. Embarrasing really.

            • jazzlover

              How in the heck did he get recruited for that? Even Peart and Bruford weren’t so hot on the album Peart put together to pay tribute to Rich. All jazz drummers can play rock. The reverse is definitely not true ๐Ÿ™‚ Listen to Calhoun play. He’s got touch. Very rare. Grohl played same speed and same pounding rhythm on everything. If you’ve seen the Zep O2 reunion gig, you can hear Plant goading Grohl, who begged to play the gig instead of Bonham’s son.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Yeah, Peart was super stiff with no swing at all on his number on the CD AND live, but live, Sorum nearly train-wrecked his song. Couldn’t swing, so he turned it into a bad rock shuffle…..more like stumble. Omar Hakim, Greg Bisonette and Kenny Arnoff did a great job live….as expected, I guess.

            • jazzlover

              Well, Hakim did play with Weather Report, after all. He’s a stud. Also played on “Money for Nothing”, in case you didn’t know.

            • Missionary Kid

              Question. (Because I’m pretty much ignorant of drumming). I got to see Buddy Miles, when he was with Electric Flag when they opened for Cream. What do you think of him?

            • jazzlover

              I think he was great, with an impeccable sense of groove. He could sing worth a damn too — a rarity among drummers. I’m envious that you got to see Bloomfield and Clapton on the same bill. Wow! One of the biggest endorsements for Miles’ talents has to be that 4 of the great guitarists chose him to work with at one time or another: Bloomfield, McLaughlin, Santana and Hendrix.

            • Missionary Kid

              I love Clapton and Bloomfield, but (and this might make me a Philistine) I actually walked out on the Cream concert. Cream had already announced that they were breaking up, and I felt that they were just fulfilling their contract obligations and shucking it. I felt like I could have just stayed home and listened to their record, so I walked out. Yes, they were spectacular, but I expected something a bit different than their recordings.

              Buddy Miles was spectacular, but it seemed that he was always playing at 11. He never backed off, and it was a detriment to Electric Flag. His warm up had the joint just rocking as he and the audience were responding and feeding off each other. When Flag started to play, it was a let down.

              It’s unfortunate that he ended up with a drug habit and spent time in prison, but what a talent! He definitely had the chops.

            • jazzlover

              I believe he did the vocals on that claymation California raisin commercial as well ๐Ÿ™‚

              I am too young to have been listening to Cream as they were happening, but I always found it odd that their catalog includes an album called “Goodbye Cream”. Other bands have broken up before a “final” album is released, but they don’t usually ANNOUNCE a farewell tour and record a final album after the fact. Blame it on Stigwood ๐Ÿ™‚ Another record company manipulation of musicians. Btw, the only other band I know of that did this was King Crimson, who recorded “Red” after the decision was made to break up. But they didn’t announce it to the world at the time. It only came out when the album was released 3 months later.

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Yeah, he’s sloppy. But when my friends and I were 19, sloppy was half the fun, as long as it was loud and fast.

              I have mad respect for drummers. If I ever sat down behind a drum kit, I’m sure it would come out more like Nick Andopolis from Freaks & Geeks or Animal from The Muppets.

            • jazzlover

              LOL. Not easy to get 4 limbs moving simultaneously in different directions, that’s for sure ๐Ÿ™‚

              I was about 10 years older when Nirvana hit, so disenfranchised and alienated wasn’t my thing any more. When the music press starting calling Cobain the next Lennon, I let out a loud groan and moved into jazz ๐Ÿ™‚

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              I can promise you, all ages groaned along with you. ; )

            • Robert Eckert

              Mike Royko (classic Chicago curmudgeon columnist) once wrote: “I hear they’re calling Bruce Springsteen the new Bob Dylan. I remember when Bob Dylan was the new Woody Guthrie. Woody Guthrie was never the new anybody, which is why he never made as much money as Bob Dylan or Bruce Springsteen.”

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              Maybe not, but at least his machine killed fascists.

            • salin

              LC has a much broader range. Loved them in the moment of their fame – but coming to more appropriately appreciate them as I search and listen to their later music.

            • jazzlover

              Keep searching. It’s all out there somewhere ๐Ÿ™‚ Best way is to follow the branches. Vernon Reid, the guitarist, plays a wide variety of interesting stuff, including jazz and avant-garde. Will Calhoun does some jazz and trip hop.

          • salin

            Hadn’t seen this before. Their musical range – per genres – is impressive.

            Add to that their willingness, even after tasting commercial fame, to take on social commentary that may not be so “popular” with the pop culture – I declare them (decades belatedly) bold as well as impressive.

            Love the story of talent so appreciated that other drummers would line up to listen to the drummer’s rehearsal.

            Thanks for the link/show.

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m an old fart, and I’m not big on videos, because I like to listen. I am impressed.

            • jazzlover

              I am impressed that you’re impressed ๐Ÿ™‚ More proof that good music knows no age. Ellington had it right: “There are only 2 kinds of music — good and that other kind.” ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m always impressed by versatility. Some musicians are only good at one genre. They’re good, but if they have to play with musicians who have a different style, they’re lost.

              I think that’s one reason that Ray Charles and Paul Simon are people who I like. They have/had the ability to take other types of music and make it their own, but not insult the musicians of that genre. In fact, they embrace them.

              I’m old enough to remember when Herb Alpert was big, and I pretty much thought of him as a pop musician and music executive until last night. I heard an interview with him last night on NPR, and since the radio signal was fading as I was driving home from an errand, I was so impressed, I pulled over and found a good spot to listen.

              Herb was entirely self-taught, started playing the trumpet in grammar school and was playing professionally at dances and bar mitzvahs at 12. He was playing all types of music. Jazz, country, pop, gospel. When he was asked, as a part of the interview, what did he strive for in his music, he said it was to play something so that it sounded right – to him, IIRC.

              I discovered that one of his closest friends had been Stan Getz, who taught him that once he had a good song, not to mess with it, but to leave it alone, because he’d only screw it up.

              Herb actually had a period in his life where he couldn’t touch his trumpet. He went out and got professional help, both psychologically and musically. He named a clarinet player who, he said, taught him “the physics” of playing the trumpet. I took it to mean that he learned the subtleties of he music. The other man didn’t play the trumpet himself, but what I gathered was that he deconstructed the music in a way that gave Herb a deeper understanding.

              A Stan Getz story. I was working for a while selling cell phones, and this gentleman decided to buy.one. A credit check was necessary, and as he spelled out, G e t z, I said, “Oh, like Stan.” He said, “That was my brother. Unfortunately, I didn’t get any of his musical talent.”

              Stan’s brother said that Stan was in a grammar school orchestra, and was assigned an instrument that he didn’t really like. For his bar mitzvah, an uncle took out a loan and bought him a sax. By the time he was in high school, he was making so much money as a musician that (I’m hazy here) that he dropped out of school, and, of course, didn’t see any value in going to college like his parents wanted him to because he was already making more than he would have as a professional man.

              By the way, I watched that 12 year old kid from Indonesia on 60 Minutes, and I was blown away. The kid has chops.

              I used to have Stevie Wonder’s first album, Twelve Year Old Genius, and part of it was recorded at the Apollo, which has a notoriously difficult crowd, and he blew them away. Unfortunately, albums like The Secret Lives of Plants were played on the air in sections. It is a piece that needs to be heard all at once. When it’s listened to that way, it’s a mind expanding experience. At least, for me it was.

            • jazzlover

              Yes, some are just born with that certain something. That’s part of the spectrum of intelligence we were speaking about the other day. Fwiw, Stan Getz is one of my favorite saxophonists. Coltrane once said that he wished he could play a ballad like Getz. He ended up being extremely troubled though. Drug addiction was one of his problems. Although there are different types of intelligence, I think one thing they all share is that genius really does border on insanity. Not many of these people are “normal” in the traditional sense. Their talent often brings them pain — a pain that is difficult to cope with without “help”. The best, as you point out, cross genres seamlessly. Keith Jarrett was a child prodigy, playing piano recitals from the time he was 7. He is considered a master in both classical and jazz. Many jazz musicians have leaned on the study of classical over the years. Miles Davis, for instance, was infatuated with Stockhausen.

            • jazzlover

              Stevie Wonder and ray Charles are in classes of their own. Ray could be considered a jazz artist as much as he’d be considered a soul/r&b artist. I have an album he co-leads with famous jazz vibist Milt Jackson (of the Modern Jazz Quartet) where Ray plays alto saxophone! Of course, ,ost of the players in his bands have been jazz stars in their own right – David “Fathead” Newman, Hank Crawford, Marcus Belgrave, to name a few.

            • Missionary Kid

              Don’t forget Ray’s Country album. He grew up listening to country music in Florida, and when he did country, it got a lot of airplay on country stations, and, IIRC, it did well on the country charts.

              Ray Charles story. He was playing at the Greek Theater in L.A., and it used to be that people would sneak up on the hillside behind the audience to hear the acts. Ray stopped a performance in the middle of a song because he thought the people in the trees were making noise and being disrespectful. It was some birds squabbling in the trees, even though it was at night.

            • jazzlover

              He was definitely a once in a lifetime musician for sure. I had forgotten about the country album. Thanks for the reminder! That’s a funny story.

            • Missionary Kid

              Refresh to see my entire reply.

  • I hope scientologists and NOI members are happy with Santa Homie.

    • salin

      Yes. But many scientology and NOI children are angry at Santa – as the presents were rather… minimal – due to the size of their families’ annual expenditures for ‘ron’s crazy courses, bridge and ethics’

  • Observer

    OT, but I can’t stop laughing at this:

  • Cars

    This is a short but funny blog post out of Frederick, MD, today re: Trout Run, titled Does Tom Cruise need to come here, people?! http://fredericklocalyokel.com/2016/01/04/does-tom-cruise-need-to-come-here-people/ Tonyโ€™s post is linked to and his conversation with Mary MCConnell is quoted.

    Hadnโ€™t heard of this site before. The About page describes it as being, โ€œAn entertaining and informative look at the absurdity of local politics in Frederick, Maryland.โ€ It might be fun to keep an eye out on.

    • TonyOrtega

      I love local blogs. They’re the best.

      • Cars

        As you must know, the writer is a Bunker reader. I’m just going through the site’s older posts about Trout Run and they link back to yours.

        Their twitter feed is a hoot, too. https://twitter.com/fclocalyokel

      • The Hubbard dictator with globe image, I like.

    • Illinoisian

      Read the ‘biographies’ section. Funny, sharp.

      From the section on Jerry Donald: “So far this term, Mr. Donald has been very vocal in his opposition to the historical designation sought by the ownerโ€™s of the Trout Run property.

      Besides that we donโ€™t have much else to say about Mr.Donald. Frankly, heโ€™s kind of boring to write about, which means he must be a grown up or something. Anyway,we are looking forward to the contributions he will most certainly make on the county council.”

      • Cars

        Thanks! I hadn’t read that section, but now I will. I’m finding the site and their twitter feed “sticky” – and I mean that in a good way, i.e., I keep returning to it.

    • Juicer77

      Gold. Just bookmarked it! Thanks ๐Ÿ™‚ ETA: funny tweet re: our favorite Council member, Billy Shreve https://twitter.com/fclocalyokel/status/673520371115540483

  • madame duran

    Are we sure that Judge Nicklas isn’t an alternative spelling of “Nicklaus” or a blend of “Santa Claus” and “St. Nick”? Is this a reminder that a belated Christmas gift is in store for us SPs? I dunno if I can wait for 30 days. Hmmm…maybe I should start a countdown…

  • JanInThePan

    30 days should put us..right around when Anonymous said they were doing something more with CO$. February should be interesting..

  • Off topic: just took a selfie

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Be careful you don’t catch those chains on anything.

    • Ella Raitch

      I’d love to see Jaden Smith model that outfit (strike that – no I wouldn’t)

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      You’re gonna have weird tan lines bro.

    • Snippy_X

      I suspected you were an alien.

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      You look just like Jody Foster walking on that space beach and meeting her alien father in Contact. J’adore le chapeau.

    • Juicer77

      What’s your diet plan? And doesn’t sand get under that holster and chafe your thigh?

  • Phil McKraken

    I am delighted that the principal musical entertainer for the oh-so-geriatric Scilon set is a craptacular pseudo rapper nobody. It makes me think of hearing Beatles tunes translated into Muzak elevator music. Oh, and he’s a “psych buster” too. Can you get down with that, kiddies? All those uncool celebrities have their downstat causes like Darfur, animal cruelty, at risk youth, Lupus and human trafficking. But who’s bringing the big guns against the hidden menace of mental health professionals? Mr. Chin Braid hisself. That’s who!

    This is why Scientology must, and does, abhor publicity. Every single thing about them is laughably embarrassing, painfully awkward and weirdo creepy. You simply can’t utter the phrase “psych buster” outside the bubble. Inside the bubble it’s a powerful talisman though — to some. 47x is really รท47. This is true!

    • PerpetualOutflow

      “…laughably embarrassing, painfully awkward…”

      Sigh…so true.

  • Luke Martinelli

    I commented on the Chill E.B. video…

    So, Instead of responding directly to that comment, he found some year old comment i made on a homestarrunner video and hit reply…

    • Luke Martinelli

      He deleted his comment so i went back to the Santa Homie video and posted this one…

      • Missionary Kid

        You handled it perfectly, IMO. By quoting him back to him, he ends up looking like a fool. Screenshots nail trolls.

        • Luke Martinelli

          I’ve posted his private message and my response on the Santa homie video as well. Just to keep everything public and open for his fans.

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m wondering if he has any fans outside of $cientologyland. Did you find any? I’m too uninterested in him to look.

            • Luke Martinelli

              I’ll keep replying if he keeps coming at me, but that’s pretty much the end of my interest in him. I would have already forgotten about him by now if he hadn’t kept it going.

            • Missionary Kid

              I was wondering if he performed at any venue that was outside of $cientology or seemed to have any fans that wren’t clams.

              There are Christian musicians who have made a living singing hymns, but then there’s a hell of a lot more Christians than $cientologists, so the market is much larger.

              I imagine that anything done for Co$ involves paying them (by taking courses instead of fees or pressure to up one’s status), so I’m thinking that his remuneration from music is pretty low.

            • Luke Martinelli

              He seems fairly well off. I’d assume he has some paying non-clam fans… either that or he’s going broke trying to keep up appearances.

            • Missionary Kid

              Or he has a civilian job.

            • Luke Martinelli

              Oh, how i’d love to see him working as a store clerk with a name tag or a call centre operator with a poorly fitting headset.

          • Enturbulated Masterbator

            You had me at “ready to admit defeat”. I love you Luke!

      • Baby

        Hahhahaha.. I love it Lucke..

    • salin

      Excerpted from his comment: “the products you sale.” Spell check failed him, as poorly as did his rework of ‘Santa Baby’.

      • Luke Martinelli

        I noticed, but I try to avoid picking on spelling mistakes during internet arguments.
        I also ignored when he made fun of my name. There were a lot of things i could’ve said to him there, but i’d like to think that i’m not that childish.

    • Luke Martinelli

      Oh hell yes, you know you are all jealous. I just got called a fool by Chill E.B. (see pic)
      He actually sent me a private message on youtube.
      You’d think an old rapper would have better things to do with his time than attack haters…

      • Newiga

        A little bullbaiting, eh? :’D “I must say you’re in and elite group buddy.” How about the group you’re in, Chill?

        • Luke Martinelli

          I’m having too much fun to just leave it alone. I’m trying to avoid mention of sci and doing my best not to pick on him and only respond to his attacks. That way he looks more foolish.

      • Luke Martinelli

        Here’s my reply.

  • new bollocks https://www.scientologybollocks.com/7509-2/

    bonus gif

    I wantz http://i.imgur.com/XGZKUMe.gifv

    Iโ€™m sure these two have had โ€˜previousโ€™โ€ฆ. http://i.imgur.com/ea76SRq.gifv

  • daytoncapri

    Tonight is the last night for daughter home for holidays. We watched Going Clear.

    • Qbird

      Did a good discussion follow?

      • daytoncapri

        Not much, more like the air left the room. She already knows me and our fairgamed family friend. She asked me to be careful. I told her not to worry…and she shouldn’t. She flies out tomorrow.

        • Qbird

          You hug her tight & tell her how much you love her Dayton Dad.
          And then you let her fly. You stay safe & calm.

          • daytoncapri

            Thank you. Sincerely. No worries.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          You planted seeds of facts that she herself knows to be true. Maybe not all of them, and certainly the mindset will demand she auto eject much of it. But there is So MUch of it. That is a problem for even the scientological mindset. It is overload. We’ve all experienced it. But there will be one or more nuggets in theire that will personally resonate with her Own experiences and her very own thoughts. She will later realize how hard she has tried to squash those thought down. Then she will feel uncomfortable and agitated, but soon realize those are her own real emotions straining to rise to the surface and be free.

          And then, some day, hopefully soon, she will realize that SHE needs to be free, free of the madness, the drudgery, the living in fear, the guilt, all of it. And it will be at that point she will remember you took the time and care to show her Going Clear – and all the compassion and love that motivated you to do so. And then you let her free to decide for herself.

          You done good. Best wishes for a sooner than later reunion.

          • daytoncapri

            Thank you, but to not mislead anyone, she is not in the cult at all. She, is though, very much a spiritual seeker, with some special “woo” abilities that set her apart. I felt it was important for her to see GC…and how critical it is to guard one’s own soul. She’s actually a toughie – a seeker and a tough sceptic – I think she is doing fine…happy, many friends, creating her own life.

  • Margie8

    Speaking of Jaden Smith, Gad Saad discusses the arrogant little fuck in:

    “Jaden Smith: Where Anti-Intellectualism, Fake Profundity, and Narcissism Meet”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY5Cmat4TEM

    • Phil McKraken

      Hate to be downer on Gad Saad, but he presented only one example of Jaden’s goofiness, leaving about 8 minutes of fairly boring rant.

      • Missionary Kid

        I think that Gad Saad is depending on other people reading the macerated pablum total bullshit that Jaden puts forth.

        Jaden sounds like he went to the Sarah Palin school for developing word salad, but he sounds more cryptic because he doesn’t natter as much as she does.

      • Margie8

        Oh no, I agree!

    • Fink Jonas

      He doesn’t even mention the influence scientology has had on Jaden, the anti-intellectualism, the anti-schooling idea those are Scientology influences that shaped his thought pattern, scientology doesn’t believe in secular education, the only education they believe in is in learning how to be a good scientologist, and yes scientology creates a “fake profundity” on the cultist mind, as stupid as it sound Jaden is simply showing that he has learned to be a good scientologist, that doesn’t mean i’m on Jadense’s side, but seems like Gaad didn’t do his research before criticizing him.

      • Missionary Kid

        Is the connection between the Smith family and $cientology well known?

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Rumors are fairly well-known but Will Smith has denied being a Scientologist in the past, though they funded a school “based on Scientology learning methods” that, per an article here (looking and not finding off top of my head) it was DEFINITELY a Scilon school and a mess of one at that!

          • Missionary Kid

            I know all about the school being based on LRH tech. IIRC, Tony has said that Will never was a $cientologist, but Jada flirted with $cientology. Jada is apparently infected with a lot of New Age bullshit. Once the school started, of course, the $cientologists involved tried their usual takeover tactics, and the principal they hired to guide it academically at the start got fired, and the clams took over completely..

            Apparently, Will’s oldest son by his first wife, Trey, who lives with them, is normal, and is in college. Will and Jada’s two were home schooled before they ended up in the school that Will and Jada provided the seed money for. Will and Jada apparently believed that once the school started, it would become self-supporting. Of course, it wasn’t.

            I’m willing to bet that there aren’t enough $cientologists rich enough in Calabasis to survive both regging and the high tuition to support the school.

            Basically, Willow and Jaden have no education because they’ve been indulged all their lives, and their education has followed $cientology methods, even when home schooled.

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Yeah I know Tony’s said that about Will (never being in – it being a Jada-thing) but rereading the article w/the principal he sounded pretty sold on it himself. They’ve essentially conducted a controlled experiment in their own home between the three kids. You’d think it’d be obvious how much $cio screws with the mind being that the two exposed to it sound like out-there but jobs but the one who hasn’t touched it is an articulate, functioning, intelligent-seeming young adult.

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re just too hidebound and old school. Jaden is the future! . It will be interesting to see what happens when his 5 minutes of fame is over.

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Lol I just realized I typed “out there but jobs” instead of nut jobs… Ah well! That’s me – old school! ;P

        • Jenyfurrrrr
          • Missionary Kid

            I meant generally well known outside of us clam watchers.

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Gotcha! My sons (17 & 20) seem to be aware about the kids, at least. They’ve commented that every time he’s interviewes and spouting his latest “deep thoughts” that Scientology gets mentioned.
              “Mom I don’t know about all that stuff, but that dude has seriously got to be high EVERY-time he’s interviewed, the crap that comes out of his mouth!” Lol yep – sounds like $cilo-speak!

            • Missionary Kid

              Are you talking about Will or Jaden? I don’t recall Will saying much about $cientology, but he’s used a lot of their dumbspeak.

              Jaden definitely sounds like he’s on something, but I believe it’s just a bad case of self-importance combined with self-indulgence and a lack of education.

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Jaden was to whom my son was referring when he said that. Made me laugh – he hears him and thinks “this is your brain on drugs,” I hear him and think “nah… on $cientology!” And I agree on the self importance, indulgence & lack of real education! Just strange that’d fly in their household as WS has always seemed pretty articulate and intelligent, as does his elder son.

            • Missionary Kid

              IMO, will has always treated Jaden as if his shit doesn’t stink. Trey, on the other hand, went to Oaks Christian Academy, where he probably got a good education. He’s in college now, I heard Will say.

              Wills mother worked in education and he went to a Catholic school, so he got a pretty good basic education.

              Jada, on the other hand, got a good education in the arts, but not, IMO, in the real world.

            • Jenyfurrrrr

              Agree 100%!!!

      • Margie8

        I agree and only a couple of people tried to point that out in the comments. In not point that out, he’s missed the entire reason why.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Dave, if he is anything, is a student of a master — a master manipulator, the engineer of the Long Con that is $cientology. Exaggerate. Bloviate. Retaliate. Manipulate.

    Lafayette Ronald Hubbard, Sr., 1969-1971.
    ” ‘LRH said we had to keep moving because there were so many people after him,’ explained Ken Urquhart, who was by then the Commodore’s personal communicator. ‘If they caught up with him they would cause him so much trouble that he would be unable to continue his work, Scientology would not get into the world and there would be social and economic chaos, if not a nuclear holocaust.’ ”

    Hubbard’s direction for Sea Org members: “Hubbard’s persistent reiteration that Scientology was beset by dark forces, seeking to destroy anything that helped mankind, fostered a siege mentality among the crew of the Apollo [eta: and all future Sea Org] and provided spurious justification for the harsh conditions on board. Throughout the Sea Org, the need for dedication, vigilance and sacrifice was constantly stressed and it generated fierce loyalty which was blind to logic or literal truth.”
    — from ‘Bare Faced Messiah’ http://www.amazon.com/Bare-Fac

  • OOkpik

    Standing by…
    Pic

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Love!!!