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DOX: How Scientology ensnares the unsuspecting in a series of binding contracts

TrapWe’re getting ready for tonight’s big extravaganza in San Francisco. In the meantime, Jeffrey Augustine sent us another great piece that he cooked up from the work he’s doing over at his own site, the ScientologyMoneyProject. Take it away, Jeff…

 
How do good people get trapped in something like Scientology? One way is through the series of unconscionable legal contracts the Church of Scientology uses to strip its members of their civil and legal rights. As revealed in its own documents, Scientology is designed to ensnare its members legally, and as soon as practically possible. Contracts are the legal backbone of the “Prison of Belief.”

The public doesn’t know about this malicious series of Scientology contracts. New Scientologists are never informed, advised, or counseled in advance about the potential adverse legal consequences they could face as a result of signing these contracts. These contracts are one-sided and give the Church all of the power while taking away power from individual members.

The first thing a new Scientologist must do is watch an introductory video. Simply entitled “Orientation,” the film serves as the legal basis for the first contract all new Scientologists must sign. The essence of this contract is that a new member agrees that he or she considers Scientology to be a religion. This contract is called “Attestation of Religious Belief Regarding the Scientology Religious Film called Orientation.” Excerpt:

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We have seen recently in the Luis and Rocio Garcia fraud lawsuit against the Church of Scientology how useful such a declaration can be. In that case, the Garcias never got a chance to have their claims of fraud heard before a jury because the judge felt it would infringe on Scientology’s religious rights. When the Garcias objected that they never granted that Scientology was a religion, Whittemore pointed to statements made by Luis in deposition which showed that he had, at one time, considered Scientology a religion. Statements like that matter, and Scientology knows it. So it wants a new member on the record — this is church, not self-help.

The second contract the new Scientologist must sign is called the “Religious Services Enrollment Application, Agreement, and General Release.” In this contract, one gives up the legal right to sue the Church of Scientology or to have a lawyer represent them in any dispute with Scientology. One also surrenders the right to a refund of any donations they have made to the organization.

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The third contract a new Scientologist signs is called Agreement Regarding Confidential Religious Files. In this particular contract a Scientologist forever signs away all their rights to ever read, inspect, review, or own their preclear folders. Excerpt:

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Although Scientologists pay the Church of Scientology hundreds of thousands dollars to go up the Bridge, no Scientologist may ever read, inspect, review, or own their preclear folders. The Church owns these folders forever. When a member leaves the Church and speaks out, OSA typically breaks the contract by culling a person’s preclear folders to look for dirt on that person in an attempt to shudder them into silence. Failing this, OSA uses materials from folders in its hate websites.

The fourth standard contract a Scientologist signs is called “Agreement and General Assistance Regarding Spiritual Assistance.” Shockingly, this is Scientology’s infamous “Kidnap Contract” which allows the Church to take any of its members and lock them up for an indefinite duration of time — and this without the kidnapped member having the benefit of any legal representation, legal hearing, medical evaluation, or medical intervention. All a Scientology “case supervisor” has to say is that a member has gone Type III. After this pronouncement, the member is bodily seized, locked up, and held against their will. This is exactly what happened to Lisa McPherson.

Lisa McPherson died while being held captive in Scientology’s Introspection Rundown. In the contract excerpt below, the Scientologist agrees to not sue the Church for any injuries or damage — and this release contemplates death — that might or could occur when one is being held as a religious prisoner in the Introspection Rundown. Excerpt:

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Scientologists must sign onerous contracts all the way up the Bridge to Total Freedom. For example, Scientology OT’s sign a contract wherein they agree to pay a $100,000 fine — falsely called a reimbursement — if they ever publicly disclose anything from the secret OT levels.

10. Parishioner acknowledges and agrees that the continuing harm to FSO, to all other churches of Scientology and affiliated organizations that would result from his/her breach of any of the provisions of this Agreement, including but not limited to Parishioner’s unauthorized use or disclosure, of all or in any part, of the Advanced Technology or the information, materials or works comprising it, would not be readily compensable monetarily and would hence constitute irreparable harm. Therefore, Parishioner hereby consents to the entry of temporary, preliminary and permanent injunctive relief against Parishioner should Parishioner breach or threaten to breach any of the terms of this Agreement, without requiring the enforcing party to post a bond or make any undertaking as a condition of such relief except to the extent an undertaking may, under applicable law, be required, in which event Parishioner recognizes that an undertaking of $10,000 shall be adequate to cover any economic interest (including Parishioner’s attorneys’ fees). In addition, Parishioner acknowledges and agrees that not only would it be extremely difficult to determine or calculate the actual monetary damages resulting from his/her breach of any of the provisions of this Agreement, but that FSO and/or its licensor will be required to incur significant legal fees and costs to protect and preserve the Advanced Technology, as it is scripturally and contractually bound to do. As such, Parishioner agrees to reimburse FSO and/or its licensor, for FSO’s or its licensor’s legal fees for each such breach by Parishioner. Further, Parishioner agrees to pay FSO and its licensor the total amount of $100,000 for each such breach by Parishioner.

As covered previously by Tony Ortega here at the Underground Bunker, all Sea Org and Scientology staff members have been made to sign a new non-disparagement agreement that prevents them from speaking out if they ever leave. The contract screams this in caps that could have been written by David Miscavige himself:

3. I therefore agree that in exchange for the opportunity to serve on the Church’s staff and to receive the benefits available to all staff members, including the right to receive Scientology religious auditing and training to forward my own spiritual growth, I swear to forever use the full extent of my ability to uphold my obligations under this Religious Covenant of Non-Disparagement (“Non-Disparagement Covenant”). I will never do less. Accordingly, I PROMISE AND SWEAR NEVER TO SAY OR ENCOURAGE OR INDUCE OTHERS TO SAY OR WRITE ANYTHING NEGATIVE OR DISPARAGING ABOUT L. RON HUBBARD (“LRH”), THE CHURCH, CSI, RTC OR ANY OTHER CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY OR THEIR STAFF, OFFICERS, DIRECTORS OR TRUSTEES, IN WHATEVER CAPACITY, OR ABOUT THE RELIGIOUS PRACTICES, MATERIALS, TECHNOLOGY AND SERVICES OF THE SCIENTOLOGY RELIGION. I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT THIS NON-DISPARAGEMENT COVENANT APPLIES NOT JUST WHILE I AM SERVING ON THE CHURCH’S STAFF BUT ALSO IN PERPETUITY, SHOULD I EVER LEAVE STAFF.

The Scientology non-disparagement contract calls for an offending Sea Org or Staff member to pay the Church $25,000 in liquidated damages per breach:

B. In addition to anything else a court may require me to do for violating this Non-Disparagement Covenant, that I shall pay the Church $25,000 as liquidated damages (and not as a penalty) for each individual violation of this Non-Disparagement Covenant and/or for each individual instance of causing, participating in, cooperating with or encouraging the publication or broadcast of information that results in a violation of this Non-Disparagement Covenant. I understand that it is difficult to ascertain the exact extent of damage and harm a violation would cause the Church, but I acknowledge that $25,000 is fair and reasonable.

The Church of Scientology’s contracts serve to make “donations” nonrefundable, subject all disputes to internal binding arbitration, and act to protect the Church’s legal interests while obliterating the legal rights and protections of Scientologists. None of this is surprising coming as it does from a “Church” that was legally designed by lawyers to fend off lawsuits, discovery, and trials to the greatest degree possible.

— Jeffrey Augustine

 
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The Topless Robot podcast

We sat down with a former colleague — Topless Robot editor Luke Thompson — and met his lovely wife, Julia, to talk about the book and answer questions about Scientology.

 

 
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Paulette Cooper and Tony Ortega talk Scientology with Allison Hope Weiner

For those of you who might not have seen our lively segment posted yesterday on YouTube.

 

 
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BOOK NOTES

 
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We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, so we’re posting them at the Underground Bunker. We’ve created a dedicated page for them, and we hope you go through them all, then come back here and tell us your thoughts!

Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly. Isn’t technology cool.

 
Our appearances…

 
May 22: San Francisco (with Jamie DeWolf and Paulette Cooper) THIS EVENT IS SOLD OUT. Aye, Chihuahua.

June 11: New York City (with Paulette Cooper) We’re keeping the venue on the down-low at this point. If you’re interested in coming to this unique event — Paulette in New York talking about Scientology where her story began — drop us a line so we get an idea how many are coming.

June 20: Chicago, The Annoyance Theater, 5pm (with Christian Stolte) This event is free, but reserve your tickets now!

June 22 and 23: Toronto (with Paulette Cooper)

June 27/28: Florida (with Paulette Cooper)

July 12: Washington DC, Center for Inquiry

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on May 22, 2015 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of LA attorney and former church member Vance Woodward

UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer
The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill
The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • Just Dee

    So, hypothetically speaking…. A scientologists murders another scientologist. Sorry Mr. Police Officer, we are a church and are going to handle this ourselves. I am still speechless with the Garcia’s case. FRAUD is ok because it falls under that ‘religious umbrella’ or contract? Where exactly is the line scientology has to cross in order for the law to get involved?

    • Observer

      They’ve covered up child abuse, which IMO is only a hair’s breadth less than murder.

      • Just Dee

        I guess having billions can cover up pretty much anything, so far.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Where exactly is the line scientology has to cross in order for the law to get involved?

      I’d like to know the answer to this question too.

    • John Travolta asks Spanky Taylor to find someone to help new first female Sweathog Melonie Haller (“Welcome Back, Kotter”) buy a car. Spanky introduces the bombshell to me. I take her to a used car lot owned by a $cientologist. Oops, she’s $1000 short but she gets paid next week. I write a check. She’s doing the comm course, ya know. We start dating. Melonie gets fired from Kotter for (I find out later) being a heroin addict and not showing up for work. She moves in with a musician. I ask if she’s ever going to pay me. She tells me to go to hell. I figure I’ll take her to small claims court, but Dennis, the idiot ethics officer at Celebrity Centre, tells me I can’t sure her because she’s a celebrity. Next time I see her (other than the lousy Playboy spread she did) is on the front page of the L.A. Times having been found unconscious and bloody after being raped at a party given by Roy “Cotton Club” Radin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melonie_Haller And that’s $cientology!

      • Kim O’Brien

        no …thats men . Some men like to rape and some men try to shame women years later for being an addict and a rape victim cuz they dumped them and still owe them $1,000. Her horrific abuse is actually the last part of your post …the majority is all about you …and you even feel the need to critique a ” bad playboy shoot” just to knock her down another peg. There is zero compassion for her in your post . Not even a whisper of it . She was raped , beaten , and it was filmed . The rapists were given just 30 days in jail and her life was destroyed . She was treated like garbage . But the big take away ..is that Skip never got his $1,000

        now THAT is Scientology

        • Congratulations on your continued exhibition of looniness. Ask your counselor to adjust your medication.

        • sugarplumfairy

          I’m female and I didn’t take Skip’s story as victim- shaming.. You really seem to have a hard-on for the guy and I’m not sure why.. You are both funny, abrasive, informative.. You ought to adore each other, for crying out loud..

    • ReallyMGM

      The line does not exist.

  • SarahDB

    The most eloquent moments on the Topless Robot podcast are the silences after several appalling Co$ stories that Tony has just told.

  • Scientology spoofs seem to be a trending thing.

    Zone Theory Will Change Your Life

    http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/05/22/zone-theory-will-change-your-life/?ref_widget=trending

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClvX7ED8UUI

    Not as spot-on as SNL, oh well.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    I have no words for this part of these vile contracts. (F5)

    • Observer

      ..

      • Allie

        When I started reading about Scientology, I thought this was a pretty extreme statement.
        NOW – it’s a perfect meme for the dastardly demons.

    • Snake Plissken

      We reserve the right to imprison you If you become a potential PR flap by acting like a Scientologist in public, and you hereby give us the right to kill you if you require medical attention while you are imprisoned.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Right! And the people you leave behind if we kill you aren’t allowed to sue us either.

        These fuckers have some serious gall.

        • Snake Plissken

          you will also bequest to us any and all property, inheritance, and life insurance settlements you possess, so we may use it to destroy the lives of any family member which may have a problem with your execution.

          • Mark Foster

            ((Dauntless. Defiant. Resolute.)) Beyond gall…Pure Evil.

            • Observer

              Depraved, Debauched and Ruthless

            • Mark Foster

              Dim, Degraded, and Rancid

            • XD

            • Allie

              “Rancid” is very appropriate.

            • Mrs. V.

              Deranged, Diabolical, Repugnant

        • One Human

          That statement should have a sign of it’s own under the one atop PAC / Big Blue.

        • Allie

          Gall and extreme arrogance that I’ve never seen anywhere from anyone – EVER.
          Total bastards. It’s hard to find the right descriptive word(s) sometimes.

      • lmnop

        Would be Lovely is someone(s) with your talent for snark could provide little word balloons that translated each paragraph of these disgusting contracts, then distribute throughout the internets. (another dream…)

    • Allie

      Truly despicable! CoS works soooo hard to cover all the bases for absolutely every circumstance possible to abdicate any responsibility or liability. Humanitarians, my ass.

  • BlueJene

    I mostly lurk here, but was just shocked by a conversation from a business associate who I have known for about 5 years. He asked me if I had heard about Scientology, and I told him that yes, I had, and know it to be a cult. That’s when I found out that he is a Scientologist! He told me that he knows David Miscavage, and that he’s “the nicest person that you’ll ever meet”. I explained that I have read far too many books on the subject of Scientology, and heard far too many horror stories about Miscavage to believe that. He went into the whole “psychiatry is bad” speech while I sat there shocked. I finally had to end the conversation because there was no way either of us was buying what the other was selling, so to speak. It’s just amazing to me how someone could get sucked into this, but he said he’s been in since he was 17 (he’s now in his 50’s), so I guess impressionable minds can believe what they choose to believe.

    • Lucille Austero

      Hello, BlueJene – You never know how your convo will affect the $cientologist. He may deny to your face, but then do a little web exploration himself. You may have planted a seed. Good on you 🙂

      • BlueJene

        I hope so, but I have my doubts. He was rather adamant that I was wrong.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          That he was so adamant, in itself, is not unusual. That’s exactly what they’re taught to be. It can be a long and difficult process for someone who has been in for a long time. The mind-fuck is truly that bad.

          If he chooses to not be your friend, or cuts you off, all you can do is assure him that you’ll be there if he ever needs you. Wishing the best for you and him BlueJene.

        • ReallyMGM

          It is tough when someone has been in as long as him…all of his adult life.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        It’s only going to get harder for the hardcore clams to avoid “entheta” now. Nearly everyone they know outside Co$ will have seen Going Clear, read the book, read Tonys book or seen his site, etc. I see more “under the radars” and exits happening soon.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          You never know. If I’m paraphrasing correctly, Chris Shelton recently said that a former hole prisoner is about to come out and we’re going to be shocked.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            This year just keeps getting better and better. 🙂

          • Mrs. V.

            I missed that. I’d like to say that I doubt I could be shocked after everything I’ve read and heard, but, well…you know….

          • Allie

            Don’t remember reading or hearing that, but wow, that would be so fantastic.
            Hope the person is very vocal.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      You mean… someone from Gold Base actually ventures out into the outside world?

      • BlueJene

        He’s a businessman from Oregon. We were discussing local schools and the “outdoor School” programs they have here, when he told me that his sons went to the Delphian School that is nearby. I know it promotes Scientology. Our conversation lasted for roughly 1/2 hour and I brought up numerous problems with Scientology including it’s disconnection policy, which I told him was wrong, and not at all what an actual “Church” would do. His response was that the people that were disconnected from, were bad people whose families were right to separate from them. Unbelievable.

    • ReallyMGM

      I had the same thing happen to me this week. I discovered a long time friend (35 years) is a member along with his kids (adults now). He is someone I had the utmost respect for him both personally and professionally. Now I am conflicted. He never spoke about it around anyone in our club. If he was sucked in, anyone can be persuaded.

    • Anonymous

      It is a never ending fascination how malevolent individuals / groups can grab the immutable loyalty of otherwise seemingly rational people, then perform the worst atrocities imaginable, yet remain as heroes in the minds of acolytes.

      The problem is much, much bigger than Scientology, but works inside the church as well.

      The guy who wrote the Little Red Book being waved by the thousands of fanatical adherents in the picture below is regarded as possibly the greatest mass-murderer in history – 45 million people died in just one of his campaigns to “modernize” China.

      Mass murder was his primary “product.”

      Yet even today, Mao Zedong is regarded as a cultural icon and hero by hundreds of millions of people who would gladly export and apply his “economics tech” elsewhere, if given the opportunity.

    • lmnop

      I have a little parakeet named Miss Blue Genes! Very cute avatar, is that your bird?

      • BlueJene

        It’s an avatar that I found that looks just like one of my two feathered “kids”. The other is a pretty green/yellow bird.

        • lmnop

          I had a green and yellow too, his name was Mr. Green Genes, he passed away last year, very sad, I miss him dearly…

          • BlueJene

            I’m sorry to hear that. My birds don’t cuddle or bark for joy when I get home, but they are like family, and it would hurt to lose one.

          • BlueJene

            btw.. I love their names!

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    Friday Night Game: Since I’m attending a surprise birthday party for my mother tonight, I’m posting the game way early tonight. This week, everybody think of an idea for Scientology-themed board game. As always, I will start…

    Rock ‘Em Sock ‘Em Sea Org.

    • Peggy oh!

      Operation

    • CherryPitz

      Trivial But Expensive Pursuit

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Connect OT IV

        • kemist

          Shouldn’t it be Disconnect OT IV ?

    • Mrs. V.

      “Sorry!”

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Monopoly

        • Susan_Qbird_Poche

          from THDNE a while back ~

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Twister

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Dungeons & Dreamballs

    • Peggy oh!

      Chutes and Ladders Escape

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Game of the Commodore’s Messenger Boy

      • jamie

        Chutes and Bridges (GAT version)

    • Peggy oh!

      Trivial Pursuit of OT levels

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Don’t Break the Ethics!

    • Peggy oh!

      Boggle the Mind

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Squirrel Trap

        • Robert Long

          Settlers of Teegeeack

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            Up Stat Words

    • Peggy oh!

      You’ll Be Sorry!

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Wogs With Friends

      • Matt in Atlanta

        Hmmm.

    • Robert Long

      Mousetrap?

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        The Game of Life Repair

        • Ruby

          The Game of Lie

    • Mrs. V.

      “Clueless”

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Anaten in the Pants

    • Peggy oh!

      Trouble Source!

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Risk

    • Peggy oh!

      PAC-Man RPF version

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Pac Man has a board game?

        • Peggy oh!

          Oh crap! I’ll save that video game night!

        • Elegant Mess

          Yes! (F5)

    • Peggy oh!

      Pick Up Sticks for 30 hours on-3 off

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Squirrel Mile

    • Peggy oh!

      Mystery Sandwich Date

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Obsession

        • Peggy oh!

          Enturbulation

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            Malarkey

    • Peggy oh!

      You’re in JEOPARDY!

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Betrayal at House 50 on the Hill

    • Peggy oh!

      Jenga OT level

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Scramble

    • Robert Long

      Dweebs Geeks and Weirdos

      (Apologies to Dweebs and Geeks)

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Battleship

        • Todd Tomorrow

          ‘Take out wrenched ankle’

    • Peggy oh!

      Cash Flow

      Refresh

    • Peggy oh!

      Memory Implants

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Outburst

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Orgopoly

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Make-a-Million

    • Peggy oh!

      Guess Who Left the a Glove in a Your a Hotel Room

      Guess Who Drowned Your Dog

      Guess Who Your New Next Door Neighbor is

    • Peggy oh!

      Yacht-zee Full of Asbestos!

    • Ruby

      Dungeons and Holes

    • Sid

      Texas Hold’em Against Their Will.

      Okay, I know it’s a card game. Only thing I could think of.

    • Sid

      20 Sec-check Questions.

    • Robert Eckert

      Par-Cheesy

      • flyonthewall

        did he get beaten about the face by that cop or is that just shadowing? I hope the former

  • nottrue
  • nottrue

    If only she had read Jeffrey’s piece…

    • Lucille Austero

      She looks 14. Poor kid 🙁

      • Annabelle

        Yea, she’ll wish she hadn’t signed within a year.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Most leave the Sea Arghh in the first year or less according to Chuck Beatty.

    • Susan_Qbird_Poche

      gd it scientology! LEAVE THOSE KIDS ALONE!

  • mikemadduxmikemaddux

    I just watched the Media Mayhem episode. At one point Paulette says something like, “I was very photogenic then.” I just wanted Paulette to know that in my opinion that condition has not changed.

  • CK

    Hint, if any “religion” requires you to sign a contract recognizing it as such, it’s probably not one. Also, which “religion” would require a contract or trademark copyrights to doctrine/scripture? Co$ is a corporation or at the very least, an LLC.

    • ReallyMGM

      (Doubt it) I thought they groomed their “marks” a bit before making them sign a contract, but apparently I was wrong. it just seems like it would be easier to get a contract signed without question. Are these contracts signed by minors, and if so are they legally binding?

      I’ve changed membership of churches many times in my life and even denominations. I have never had to sign anything other than a card with my name, address, phone number/email address.

  • Annabelle

    Tony: I went through the same thing as Sylvia did with her husband. My husband FINALLY told the MAA that he would not divorce me. Then he got declared because he did not divorce me. This was just September 2014, not even a year ago. But, I would like to also point out that (I believe) because of the enormous amounts of bad PR the church is not declaring people like they were when I got hit. Disaffecteds are being Dead Filed and then these just keep quiet because they don’t want to lose family, etc. I know of several recent people who were confronted by church official(s) and refused to go in and get sec checked (which is why I got declared) and have officially resigned (which I never did). These people have not been declared.
    It is people like you and the other whistleblowers that have stopped things like David Miscavige hitting people, the Hole, forced abortions and rampant declares. This is good, but the church tics on – and it also doesn’t bring my son back to me. David Miscavige will never stop disconnections. He hates these people that are speaking out.
    One more point of clarification: I do not believe that anyone who LEFT the church paid off their freeloader debt. The people that pay off their freeloader debts are those that want to still be a part of the church and do services. They have to pay off their debts to do so.
    Rock on, Tony. Rock on.

    • Observer

      Refresh
      .

      • Annabelle

        Observer, you’re great.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I hope that once Miscavige is in jail that she will mail new shoops to him weekly. LOL 🙂

    • Annabelle

      Oh yea! My take on why this small “church” gets so much attention and why so many watched “Going Clear?” Because this small, little, piece of shit “church” leaves a progressive geometrical path of destruction. (Ex: It has declared thousands and affected hundreds of thousands with those declares, maybe millions.)

  • Susan_Qbird_Poche

    Howdy!!!
    Come one, come all.
    I have ALL the answers! It is the science of the mind!
    Are you curious? Do you want to find out for yourself?
    Good.

    Now, do you want ‘in’ or are you ‘out’?
    Ya gotta decide RIGHT NOW.
    You want ‘in’?! Good. Thank you…

    But 1st… sign here.
    Nice. Will that be cash or credit?

    No, no, don’t worry, it’s business as usual here @ Scn., Inc.
    Now go see the MAA.

    Scientology = the {{{religion}}} that puts the (dead) snake in the oil.

    (our Obs seriously rocks)

    • Susan_Qbird_Poche

      Advertizing lies…. vs. wonderful spoofs.
      Serpessence! The best in snake oils ~

      https://youtu.be/qe7B8pT7_nw

      Question everything!

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Here,
      Mr. Ron, Sir

      Lemme see how oily that there snake oil y’all are peddling is.
      D’y’all have an oiliness table somewhere hereabouts?
      Florida, you say?
      Whereabouts?
      Clearwater, huh.

      Any young masseurs to test it out?
      I reckon I could use a gallon or two.
      D’you have to change it every 3000 miles?
      Is it cold-pressed?
      Is it local?
      Is it organic?

      Sign where?
      Joy oil, phew, good.
      I love it.

      • Susan_Qbird_Poche

        Yes, but did you sign zee papers?!! Well, did ya?!

  • Bradley Greenwood

    (TYPED WITH ASSISTANCE) To those that know me: I was in an accident in March, and incurred skull damage. I suffered a considerable degree of damage to my intellect, but I am NOT completely “out-of-the-game”. In-person, however, you would notice a gigantic difference (but who’s to see me in person? I will try to keep up with the page, best I can, I am mostly limited to the most simple topics, and the videos and audio recordings. Life’s a bitch, huh? PS… I am now sporting a killer cane 😉

    • Susan_Qbird_Poche

      Oh so sorry to hear this Mr. Greenwood. I knew you were fighting cancer, but was unaware of an accident. You take it easy Friend & do what you can.

    • flyonthewall

      Damn Bradley, I’m sorry to hear that. Glad you are well enough to post this. Wishing you to keep on recovering and be strong

    • ReallyMGM

      {{{hug}}} Glad to meet you! (Long time lurker, new poster) Rock that cane!

    • One Human

      Can’t keep a good SP down!

    • Lucille Austero

      Hugs, Bradley! Sending the best thoughts your way 🙂

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Wishing you a thorough recovery.

      And a thank you to your assistant for his/her help.

    • Kay

      So sorry for your accident. I hope you continue to improve. Traumatic brain injuries are frustrating, truly. However I have seen patients make remarkable recoveries over time. Don’t give up ! God Bless

    • Miss Tia

      I’m so sorry to hear about your accident. You’ve got a killer cane to take a few smacks at the bitch called life! Sending good healing thoughts!! ((hugs))

    • TY for updating us 🙂

    • Rasha

      Bunker Hugs!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Take good care of you Bradley. Sending lots of love & hugs your way. 🙂

    • Jimmy3

      I don’t always pray, but when I do, it’s for big bootie hoes. And also for Bradley Greenwood.

      • flyonthewall

        so like you pray for God to send you big bootie hoes or to keep the hoes safe etc? Can you be more specific?

        • Jimmy3

          A little of both. I mix it up like that. God knows I bring that flava, that style. He knows what up, and he knows I know what up.

          • flyonthewall

            why don’t u check yur email fool?

    • Kim O’Brien

      please get better …but canes are pretty cool 😉

    • Shamwari

      So sorry about your accident. Sending hugs and prayers across the miles. X

    • flyonthewall

      my friend had a cane that the top unscrewed and had a big knife attached to it. If you don’t have the same kind, you should get one cuz you never know

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        or one with a flask built in 😉

        • flyonthewall

          Def not the kind Samuel L Jackson had in Unbreakable though. A glass cane!? Who ever thought of that? Def not someone who uses a cane for sure

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      sending more hugs and prayers.God Bless You.

    • Satansthetan

      So sorry to hear that, hang in there dude!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh Bradley, I am so sorry to hear this. Thank you for letting us know. Yes life is a bitch, isn’t it. On the other hand, March was pretty recent and hopefully you will continue on the mend. In the meantime, all Bunker blessings and good thoughts to you.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Wow, Bradley.. You’re sounding pretty damn up after such a devastating thing.. If good vibes could heal, I’m sure you’d be all better in no time.. Take care, kiddo.. And I hope at least your nurses and therapists are cute..

    • Juicer77

      Glad you are back to posting, viewing and listening when you can. It sounds like you are working hard and doing well, which is very good to hear. We promise to be good so nobody gets a thump from that killer cane! 🙂

    • RGN

      Keep it up Bradley! Much respect and admiration for you not letting life get you down. Thats something all of us here can learn from.
      Cheers mate!

  • Miss Tia

    Speaking of dox. There’s a postal black hole between my house and my vet’s office. I was waiting for dox in the mail and Eddie went and picked it up today since he was going to be in that city. There’s been a couple checks I’ve mailed them (I no longer do that now) that just poof, disappeared (I always have a return addy too). Anyway….I’m only doing this because it’s for one of my ‘kids’ and I have to pay for surgeries the day of. Not to mention, my vet is doing this at a great price and I totally trust them. Poli doesn’t do anything for the anti-sci cause, but I have no doubt she would do her best to be friends with them, and some of those people need friends. So yes, whereas I feel sleazy setting this up, it’s for one of my furbabies and I’d do anything for them. The $125 offline donation is a combo of the Godiva store trip Eddie owed me for my birthday (I told him to just put that towards Poli’s surgery) and another friend. http://www.gofundme.com/helpmeplayagain

    • That is very weird. Have you thought of getting a postal inspector involved? If there is some sort of flummery going on with the mail, the USPS would like to know, especially on these post-9/11 days. Tampering with the mail is a federal offense, and they go after anyone, in or out of the USPS, wit great speed and severity. One of my friends had a welfare check taken out of his route box by a supervisor whose girlfriend was the recipient so that it would get to her a little quicker. My friend didn’t know that happened, but he reported it and his supervisor suffered severe consequences from the resulting investigation.

      • Miss Tia

        It’s ONLY mail with the vet!! The checks, of course, had my address on them too. Where they ended up I have no clue. I use to mail a payment every month to them (they’re in another city) but after the FIRST TIME, I stopped for about a year. Then I thought I’d try it again. HAPPENED AGAIN!! I was really paranoid about it and called and said “I’m mailing a check today, I’ll call in a couple days to see if you got it”. They understood that. Called, nope. After a week, I called MY post office, they looked, they looked at the main Akron office, then they looked the vet’s city’s office. POOF!!! I have never mailed them a payment since!! Now my monthly statement arrives WITHOUT FAIL from them. But now it appears that Poli’s surgery estimate has entered the postal black hole. SO WEIRD! Only mail to them. It makes ZERO sense.

        • Which is why you need a postal inspector on the case. You might try a test mailing with a dummy envelope of some kind, maybe blank paper with a harmless white powder like corn starch or baking soda inside, or flour if you want to make a mess. Just inform your vet’s office that if they do receive it, not to open it but to give it back to you manually, if you know what I mean.

          • Miss Tia

            Well, I no longer will mail anything to them. I think they won’t mail anything non-monthly statement related to me either. I just recalled that a couple sympathy cards went poof too! They send out sympathy cards when a furbaby passes. I like the idea of a test envelope though! But….even if it got through I STILL wouldn’t trust mailing them a check again! I suspect though, it has to be something at THEIR end because I mail in a check for my electric and gas bill every month and they’ve NEVER been lost. I wouldn’t put powder in any mailing, that’ll get ya an order to report to the hazmat room! (I once tried to mail wine, which broke and had to go to the hazmat room).

            • I long for the good old days when white powder would only trigger a visit from the DEA.

              The only other suggestion I have is to mail something with anything from registration to receiver has to sign for it, with tracking always included, of course.

              That wouldn’t involve the pi directly, and the results would be interesting.

              Here is my little boy. He turned 14 on Monday.

            • Susan_Qbird_Poche

              Sweet, Chut!

            • Miss Tia

              How totally adorable!!!

              Yeah, with tracking is a good idea, but that costs more. It’s ridiculous, really, that I can’t mail something to my vet’s office anymore. But it’s just a huge worry I can live without by either giving them a check to hold when I’m in there. OR if I’m lucky enough to NOT have to go in (giving everyone the evil eye) I can send a check with Eddie to drop off there since his bank is right by there and he goes there twice a month. Sometimes, it’s just easier to take the less stressful/anxiety inducing path. I don’t OFTEN do that, but on this one, yes, I have.

            • My vet is here in town, so all people would get would be the rare bill or two that are overdue, which only contain the charges anyway, and nothing about the services. I hope whoever is behind these shenanigans gets in trouble as zither CoS implosion continues.

          • Leigh Andrews

            Mail just blank paper. Leave out the white powder. Most mail is handled by machine, and envelopes are not as leak-free as you think.

            • Just have a piece of paper with letters crudely glued together to say:

              “I’m watching you now.”

  • Matt in Atlanta

    The horror.

  • pluvo

    Thank you, Jeffrey Augustine! Your excellent work and the documentations on your blog are very valuable.

    The “Church of Scientology” claims to be like any other church. Can you imagine getting service in a normal church and that you first have to sign oppressive contracts that are obviously worked out by lawyers. These are slavery-contracts packaged in lawyer-speak.

    This ‘church’ is certainly hiding their intentions when they impose on their members to surrender their civil and human rights to be allowed to participate; and they are taking zero responsibility for their own actions. I wonder if they still don’t give copies of the contracts, as it was earlier the case.

    We should point out and give the link to these oppressive contracts every time somebody likens the “Church of Scientology” to other churches and religions.

    • Allie

      I agree with you, Pluvo. Anytime we talk about Scientology, esp. to the pubic and the media. we should make it front & center the oppressive abuse, vast amounts of money to spend to go up the bridge and the insidious contracts that enslave the minions.

      • One Human

        That, especially when minors are the signees, and “Fair Game” are two of my top things to clue the unknowing in on Scientology.

        • Susan_Qbird_Poche

          Yep. Hubterd’s ideas on what an SP is, thus Fair Game.
          Both doctrines droppings of a science fiction writer turned guru & now called “scripture”…
          bc of IRS debacle.
          And the conversations go on from there.
          Stupid Tom Cruise always comes up.

          • One Human

            BTW- it was 10 years ago (already?) that he jumped the couch.
            I try to let more people know about Nancy Cartwright, Danny Materson, and Greta Van Sustern being Scilons, usually met with astonishment.

        • Allie

          Absolutely. And I didn’t mean to exclude these. We could easily create a
          Top 10 list of anti-Scientology priorities.

  • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

    Not only did Scientology not resolve the thing I wanted resolved,
    they made it far worse, throwing salt into the wound.
    I pity anyone who tries to follow LRH life to life. FOOLS.

  • Racnad

    Has anyone here asked about the Introspection Rundown when having this contract in front of them? How did that go?

  • Dutch Girl
  • Kay

    OK: So here I am today, on a break, minding my own business working as a nursing professor with my nursing students at an acute psychiatric facility. Suddenly I hear a disturbance, and think one of the patients is having a “moment’. Much to my surprise, it is a bunch of “suits” yelling at two of my students and one of the staff RNs. I get in front of my students and say “What is the meaning of this? These are nursing students, not employees, it is not appropriate for you to verbally accost them about anything, if you have anything to say to anyone, say it to me.”

    They go on and on about how we are doing bad psych things to one of their “parishioners” who has been court-admitted due to being a danger to themselves or others. They holler at me, demanding the patient be taken off of their “antipsychotic” medications, that they be released from the hospital immediately blah blah blah. When I can get a word in edgewise, I say “Are you perhaps Scientologists?” “Yes we ARE Scientologists….and you people are EVIL partners in the world of psychs” I can’t help myself, I burst out laughing, which makes them angrier. To make a long story short: I page administration, page security, all the while trying to juggle what appears to be four lawyers and a non lawyer representative of the COS threatening multitudes of legal actions, shoving legal papers at the staff, and throwing around “scientolo-gese” words like “bigot”. The facility staff are at a loss as to how to respond because they have never had the misfortune of having to deal with Scios en masse before, where as I have, unfortunately had that dubious opportunity in the past. Bottom line: They had no legal rights, and were told to leave. On their way out I snark “Hey shouldn’t you be doing something more useful…like painting an empty Org somewhere ? Oops hope the security camera didn’t pick that up.

    • Robert Hammond

      Did you ask them what happened to Lisa McPherson?

      • Kay

        Laugh… not a bad idea, but they would have gotten evil wilder, and asked me what my crimes are, I’m sure !!

        • Robert Hammond

          You might need to start wearing a Go Pro camera on your head like the Squirrel Busters just to keep safe from these loons (and I’m not talking about your patients).

          Maybe also asking them aboutKyle Brennan and Johnny Lewis would have been a nice final touch. Love to see their reactions. “What are your crimes?” LOL!

          • Kay

            haahahahaha. That would be great !!

        • Miss Tia

          Could have said you were gonna KR ’em! 😉

          • Kay

            bwahahahaha!! That would have been really funny !!

            • Miss Tia

              yeah, they don’t expect anyone to speak their lingo! 🙂

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Someone mentioned it – might be good to warn the night shift too.

    • Lucille Austero

      I wonder whether their unfortunate colleague, your patient, has perhaps some $$$ in his bank account? Why all the interest? Either they did something bad to this person and they don’t want him/her to spill, or this person has some dinero. $cientology love monee.

      • Miss Tia

        Yeah, they gotta have money. Otherwise they wouldn’t care.

        I was thinking just this morning about that lady who was held for over a year and how she was doing. I hope she’s doing better now that she’s in a REAL treatment place, instead of that guy’s basement held prisoner.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Hey OSA!! Where is Barbara Cordova??

          We have not forgotten.

          • Miss Tia

            we do not forget….

          • BraveBloggers

            Right on Nola! The more people “drop off the radar” the more radars ping at the bunker.

        • ReallyMGM

          Will your patient be safe when you go off duty? Because won’t they be back? smh And they will take her mess away when she is released. I hate them. (And I never say the H word)

          • Kay

            Sure the patient will be fine…this will all be written up, and measures will be taken to keep the patient away from this group, as they are not family members, aren’t on visitor’s lists, etc. Things here are run very tightly. These are locked units, so these miscreants absolutely cannot randomly access patient areas, period, unless they are the patient’s attorney of record, which none of them were.

            • ReallyMGM

              Thank you!!! She must have something they really want their hands on to send that much legal fire power after her. Unbelievable!

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Oh I am so glad to hear that Kay.

      • Kay

        I thought of that……they were, for want of a better word…rabid to get to this person.

        • Lucille Austero

          Mmm…they’ve done something bad. Or it’s the monee. I feel sorry for your patient either way.

          • Kay

            Yes, so do I, because court commitments are not forever…at some point they will be released into these people’s hands, who will summarily YANK them off of their meds,all at once, which will make them de-compensate rapidly, causing them to be readmitted again down the road. It INFURIATES me.

            • Lucille Austero

              Sick bastards, of course. You are fighting the good fight, my friend!!

            • Kay

              Thx :-0

            • flyonthewall

              they would be lucky to be readmitted if that happened and not locked up in some introspection rundown sci hell

            • Kay

              True, true

    • Miss Tia

      Should have told them they were a day late, yesterday was Thursday. Joking aside, how HORRIBLE!!!! Now you’ll have to give a lesson on scientologists and their ‘beliefs’ about psychs. I’m sorry that happened to you today and to your students and other nurses. Y’all have a stressful enough job to not have to deal with that B.S.

      • Kay

        I was glad that they saw that in person, because I am careful not to go after COS in lecture, as that is prohibited in teaching. (you can’t go after anyone’s “religion”) However they’ve heard so much in the media lately that they were better prepared to see that than say my students five years ago. I will certainly answer their questions fairly however.

        • Miss Tia

          Would the CCHR be considered ‘scientology’? I know scientology, at times, tries to claim CCHR isn’t them. That’s their true psych hate group. I’m trying to think of another ‘religion’ that would act that way and I come up ’empty’.

          • Kay

            hmmm…good question.

          • ReallyMGM

            Short answer: Yes.

    • Kim O’Brien

      i heart you

    • Shamwari

      Amazing that you were there to witness the madness and take charge. Hope you will be able to look in on the patient and share some wisdom and encouragement. Right place at the right time. Best wishes. X

      • Kay

        Thanks….yup we moved the patient to the other side when this started so that nothing they were blabbing about could be heard.That’s all that patient needs….It wasn’t like a loving family, tearful and concerned, like you usually see. It was like a mini-siege to get what they wanted. No warmth there, only aggression.

        • Shamwari

          The Bunker strikes again… and potentially a life saved. You did good Kay. I wish I could wrap my arms around the patient and give them a huge and warm hug from us all. Maybe we will read the ‘good news’ end of this story here some day! Blessings, Shamwari

          • ReallyMGM

            Hurray for you for protecting the health and wellbeing of your patient! #RIPLisaMcP

    • Sookie Sookie

      Cripes! You may have just prevented another Lisa McPherson. You, madam, are a hero.

    • TinyTyrant

      PLEASE! Let there be video of this! Or if they come back, break out the iPhone!

      • Kay

        Unfortunately, cell phones are forbidden in acute psychiatric facilities because of concerns for patient confidentiality. (as in taking pictures of patients) I can’t even carry one. They probably got it on security camera, but they rarely release any of that footage because you can see patients, whose privacy you want to protect.

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s a hell of a lot more privacy than any $cientologist will ever get from Co$.

        • TinyTyrant

          Makes perfect sense. Thanks for the info.

    • Sookie Sookie

      Did any of the legal papers look like those contracts in Jeff’s post? Or was it too crazy a scene for you to get a glimpse?

      • Kay

        Too crazy to see up close, but they were attached to the usual blue paper you see with legal documents. Bottom line: NO judge here is going to release this patient or stop his meds,so I think they are stupid to even try. I have never seen it work, and this was not the first attempt I have been around.

        • Sookie Sookie

          I’m SO glad to hear that the “kidnap contract” is considered BS by the courts. Because it sure reads that way to me.

    • Techie

      Oh, that is the best story I’ve heard in months Kay!. One possible introspection rundown thwarted, maybe a life saved, maybe a life rescued from Scientology altogether. Maybe a whole family if they get involved too. All from an informed person that was present at the right time with the right information and with the courage to stand up and do the right thing. I am at work but the temptation to dance a happy dance and shout hallelujah is strong. Thanks for sharing, Kay, and thanks for standing up to these bullies. I salute you!

      • Kay

        Hey I did it for everyone here, truly !! Enough is enough. Wish I could have gotten wilder, but don’t want to lose my job. These people are really really creepy I must say.

      • Eileen

        I agree, Kay’s story should be a Bunker headline, she is the hero today. Nurses save lives every day. Also Shows that the behavior of the cult has not changed one bit.

        • Kay

          Although I’m flattered, I would NOT want to be a Bunker Headline for fear that someone at the facility may recognize the situation and know it’s me. That would NOT be good for me at all professionally. Maybe I can repost it a few months down the line when people have forgotten.

    • Mark

      Well done!

    • Susan_Qbird_Poche

      Is the patient doing all right? healing?

      • Kay

        Yes the patient is fine, never knew anything was going on.

        • That’s the important thing 🙂 That and keeping the hacks and quacks of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology away while the patient is under the care of professionals.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “…shoving legal papers at the staff, and throwing around “scientolo-gese” words like “bigot”.”

      The situation isn’t funny at all, but that little diffusing snark was hilarious.

      Well done today, Kay.

      • Kay

        Thanks 🙂

    • One Human

      Rock & Roll, Sister!!

    • Eileen

      They may return for the night shift.

      • Kay

        That is a very real possibility, unfortunately. I’ve worked in many psych facilities and in ERs and when people don’t get what they want on day shift,they’ll take another stab at it during night hours when not as many administrators, etc. are around.

        • Eileen

          If the patient has been court ordered, or if they signed an admissions form that should preempt any earlier “treatment” contracts.

          • Kay

            Yes, and once a patient is court ordered it takes a judge to remove that court order. Also, prior treatment is noted, but not always continued.
            There are also different types of “patient contracts” (nice contracts…not nasty ones like the ones posted today) The patient decides on what goals he/she want to accomplish, and draw up their own contract listing the date by which they want to finish their goals. The therapists and nurses then sign the contract to designate that they are invested in helping them reach these goals. It’s not a “legal” contract, it’s a therapy contract. Its really an effective tool.
            It would be amusing to see a COS contract written in the same way….as in “Oh I think I’d like to sign maybe 5 years at first, rather than a billion, just to see how it goes, and I’d like set my own goals as far as auditing hours and the levels I want to progress to..I just don’t see myself as an OT 111 type of a person.” hahaaha

    • MostEthicalPimp

      First thank you for looking out for your fellow human beings! Your comments have really helped change my view on Psychiatry. I know you can’t comment on this since your an ethical professional who actually respects people’s privacy rights. But for everyone else, would anyone here be wiling to bet against me that this person had a mental break down due to one or a combination of the following:
      1. Huge Scientology Debts.
      2. Being Run into the ground on Objectives.
      3. Disconnection from a loved one.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        4. Pre-existing/predisposition to mental disorder.
        5. Cognitive dissonance breakdown.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          4. Pre-existing/predisposition to mental disorder that Scientology claimed it could handle and got the person to stop conventional treatment for!

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            Yep.

          • Missionary Kid

            Hey, I owe you an apology for a question I asked you here in the Bunker a couple of days after Tony and Paulette spoke in L.A. It was too intrusive and it cast you in a negative light. It was late and I hadn’t had much sleep.

            I meant to correct it after I had some sleep, but I got really busy when I got up.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Don’t worry about it. It actually got me thinking which is good. I was wondering if you have a blog for your experimental aircraft build? you can look me up on Facebook if you do.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks, I meant to get you to think, but I was too harsh in the way I went about it.

              I’m not building now. I’ve got other things. to do, but I hope to start another project soon.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Or not being allowed to take your very necessary medicines..

      • pluvo
    • 😀

    • Allie

      What a story, Kay. Sounds like you handled it smartly and professionally. Good thinking on your part to ask if they were Scientologists. Ha ha That was the idea I was getting as you described the scenario.
      I’ll bet they do come back again to huff & puff and shatter and confront. We know how noisy and aggressive they are. Good luck to you and the staff.

      • Kay

        Thanks…I’m sure they will be back. In my experience, it’s never a one-time deal, and when a patient is court-ordered, I think that drives them buggy because they have lost control over them, so I think they go after them even more. Also, since they truly know NOTHING about mental illness, I always wonder what they do when their own “treatments” for these people don’t help them, or make them worse? What happens to them then? We do get some of them back into treatment, but those never seen again really worry me.

        • WOG3232

          Please, please try to capture some of this on video.

          • Kay

            On Pysch units, we are not allowed to carry camera phones due to patient confidentiality concerns. Even on other units, nurses aren’t supposed to carry their phones, although a lot of them do anyway. It’s just much stricter on psych wards.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh Kay what a story! I love that you couldn’t help but ;laugh at them! But I am concerned about their parishioner – if they are a true believer, I would think this will be even harder for them, with their phobia of psychiatry. And who probably feels terribly guilty about having brought on their own problems.

      • Kay

        I have had scientology patients over the years and have found that once they are in acute care, they actually start to drop a lot of their scientology leanings and do respond to individual and group therapy because they know that these people really do care for them, won’t belittle them or control them, and that they are safe. They generally make great progress. It’s when they leave that I worry for them.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          That is reassuring although as you point out below, the court ordered treatment will expire and then the cult will have free rein. I wonder if there is someone they could talk to while still in – an ex or other expert on cults – who could help inoculate them against the pressure that they are sure to experience form the cult once they get out.

          • Kay

            I think that would have to be handled very carefully, and with the full cooperation and request of the patient. It’s a delicate issue that could end up with pesky lawsuits by outsiders stating discrimination against the patient’s religion, etc. I believe the best work is done within therapy itself, the content of which cannot be subpoenaed or accessed by anyone legally.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              I get it, yes.

            • Kay

              It is so complicated…and frustrating…and flies in the face of common sense.

    • J. Swift

      OMG! Was David Miscavige 5150’d again?

    • BraveBloggers

      The actions taken by this person (not the bullying extraction team) are typical of what a majority of society consider in terms of valor, distinction, helping, saving, compassion and morally, ethically and legally correct etc., actions. She will not likely ever have a gold medal with precious stones in it presented in front of a cheering crowd for her actions, but you can be assured that her personal “mettle” and fortitude are worth at least 47x more than the other type of medal I mentioned, as far as I’m concerned. Good on you Kay!

    • Juicer77

      I hope you had a moment to explain to the students why those $cientologists were acting out so wildly. I know you can’t share any info (nor would I ask you to) but I wonder if this particular patient was either high-profile or big money for the Co$. Surely they don’t pull these theatrics for just anyone.

    • Anonymous

      The Scientology tactics of intimidation via showing up in gangs and yelling at people are having less and less succes as people see them for the tiny, isolated, sad group they actually are. Soon the only people that will listen to their yelling will be their fellow screechers.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Good for you.

      One thing I realized reading the events surrounding Lisa McPherson closely in the police documents and some stuff I have read later is that I now believe in the following scenario:

      Lisa was getting increasingly upset with the Scientologists, and possibly what her employer was doing (Who was also a Scientologist) Something was going on that had attracted the attention of David Miscavige and led him to become personally involved in directing her auditing at Flag.

      That is really strange. The way I read it now is that she had already become a threat to Miscavige and/or Scientology and he was directing the auditing to defuse the situation, or to discredit her or possibly to drive her into a psychotic break or suicide.

      When she left flag, I believe it was a knowing attempt at escape, not a psychotic break. She was fleeing and the Sea Org Security was right behind her on the street and catching up to her.

      The “accident” she was involved in I think happened because she either instigated it to draw the police in or because of her frantic attempt to flee the Sea Org Security goons chasing her.

      I also view her action of stripping off her clothes was a deliberate attempt to place herself into the hands of the authorities so as to prevent Scientology capturing her. It worked. She was taken to the mental facility for evaluation per the law.

      But what she couldn’t stand up to was the Scientologist’s who visited her, asserting legal arguments and who got to her with stories of her being given Electro Shock Therapy against her will by the “psychs.” This is a fear very deeply ingrained into every Scientologist. It overrode her fear of what Scientology was trying to do to her with an even greater fear she could not think rationally about. So she allowed herself to be released to the Scientologists and died 17 days later. (Or earlier, as some experienced people who have viewed the autopsy photos assert.)

      Claiming a sanctuary in a mental hospital does not seem to make sense, but it might be the only place a fleeing Scientologist can be reasonably sure they safe from Scientology. Don’t deny them the last chance they might have.

    • Mockingbird

      You remind me of Jeremy Perkins .He had severe mental health problems and his Scientologist parents refused to use conventional medicine .

      Long story short he kills his mother on Hubbard’s birthday by stabbing her several dozen times while she was on the phone with her close friend .

      If action was taken months or even years earlier she could have been saved and he might have a life outside of a psychiatric facility . His family is devastated and he is locked up for life .

      I have heard of Scientologists being committed and several have been extremely dangerous . This is a brutally painful and difficult subject .

    • Interfering with a court ordered action? That should go down well with the court…

    • RGN

      Thats insane. It is satisfying knowing that from this year on, Scientology will do more damage to Scientology then anyone else can. It is still maddening to hear the stories Tony tells in the book and all of the other victims.

    • El Con Blubbard

      Awesome job!

      How to Confront and Shatter a Blabbering Scientologist?

      Call Security and have them removed!

      Free, easy and obtainable in this lifetime.

      Do write us of your WINS!

    • erinelle

      Unlurking to stand up and applaud! Sending love and admiration from a fellow Evil Partner in the World of Psychs.

    • Skabetti

      Great story. You were on top of things, nurse Kay.

  • Mark

    If I’m not completely mistaken, Jeff, I detect more than a slight whiff of brimstone about those contracts… (Refresh as theme from Rosemary’s Baby slowly fades up in background):

    • Matt in Atlanta

      The stuff of nightmares for sure!

      • Mark

        Or would it be even creepier with the theme from Suspiria?

        • Matt in Atlanta

          EEEK!

    • Sid

      Miscavige is currently writing an issue that future contracts will be signed in blood.

      • Mark

        He’s had just about everything else. Maybe he’ll start bathing in CMO nymphet’s blood when the Botox and placenta face-cream stop working…?

        • Leigh Andrews

          Maybe people on the RPF and in the hole and Sea Org would trade an iron-rich diet for donating blood every 21 days. If you are going to blood-farm, you need a better diet for the donors. No need to let the bodies stack up.

    • J. Swift

      Those contracts reek of sulfur and brimstone and were likely written by “Ol’ Splitfoot” himself — and here I speak of Eric Lieberman Esq, the resident Antichrist of NYC.

  • Sid

    Pay money. Sign away your soul. Get sec-checked. What a deal. (F5)

    • MostEthicalPimp

      And if you don’t they can declare you PTS type 3 until you do!

      • Sid

        And hold you against your will.

    • Matt in Atlanta

      Pay money…Sign away your soul. Gee wiz, I fail to see the issue with this contractual agreement.;)

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Question the stupid! You can’t sue the church but they can sue you? That seams fair, though I wonder if you could argue that as a religion that forbids members from suing can they really retain the right to sue you? I’m not advocating this but what if you out right ripped off some Scientology Group and left the church? Could you say you did it for religious reasons(Xenu made me do it!) and have the court rule that it couldn’t evaluate the case? Since that would require making a judgement on religion?

    I guess the whole thing is mute since Scientology won’t sue anyone for various reasons of their own making!

    • MaxSpaceman

      and it’s moot, to boot ! 🙂

      • MostEthicalPimp

        As usually I’ll resort to blaming my Scientology schooling!

        • MaxSpaceman

          That dang school pulled it in !

  • Lucille Austero
    • MostEthicalPimp

      Scientology Schools seam* to have failed more people than just me. *JK

      • ReallyMGM

        And my city government officials allowed Applied Scholastics in our city schools.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Calif.?

          • ReallyMGM

            TN The Rev. Alfreddie Johnson and Bennetta Slaughter (Lisa McPherson’s employer) got it in. Two of the biggest crooks in COS

            • MaxSpaceman

              Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Is the Scilonese toxin still in the schools?

            • ReallyMGM

              They consolidated the city and county schools 2 years ago. Applied Scholastics might have been a casualty. I certainly hope so. I have been trying to find out, and so far no luck.

        • flyonthewall

          they have been banned in STL city schools 🙂

          • ReallyMGM

            Bennetta ran that program too. She’s a real piece of work. I don’t know how she has avoided “the hole.” She was dispatched to keep Lisa McP family from suing the COS. Failed. Then she failed in StL. I don’t think her foray into W TN was a disaster, too. People have disappeared over much less.

    • Newiga

      LMAO!! Touché!

    • Matt in Atlanta

      You troll DEEEEP.

  • PickAnotherID

    Showed the contracts to a lawyer friend, and after she got done laughing for 20 minutes, she goes, “It’s a cookbook!” (Cue Twilight Zone Theme)

    When I asked her to get serious, she said she was, that these were what she calls “Snidley Whiplash” contracts, full of gobbledygook, designed to get the mark into the pot and keep him there until done.

  • Sid

    That paperwork would pretty much allow them to do anything they want. (F5)

    • MostEthicalPimp

      From Backside of the brochure:
      * Guarantees Full and Permanent exteriorization in 30 seconds flat that 100000x faster than any previous meter!
      * Instantly Cracks even the most harden cases inc. those pesky pyschs and illegal PCs!
      * Removes need for disconnection orders!
      * Don’t forget to sign your Ideal Will before use!
      * Buy it now before your local idle morgue fills up!

      Also, I’m wondering how the credit card companies would react since it’s clear the people buying this meter won’t be around to even file bankruptcy after using it!

      • Sid

        I’m sending this into the Org right away. They could use it.

    • Leigh Andrews

      Remember, it’s not the voltage, but the current (amperes) that counts. 0.1 to 0.2 amps is lethal. However, 0.01 to 0.1 amps can result in inability to let go of the object.

      • Matt in Atlanta

        Meh. Cheap buzz either way you look at it.

        • Leigh Andrews

          A thousand volts at low amperage would be quite painful.

          Back to working on my thumbscrews.

      • Sid

        I’m sure they’ll have that covered. Even if not enough amps their conditioning will not allow them to let go. If not lethal level they can always OD on niacin.

  • antibity

    Reminds me of the application form on Bin Ladin’s bookshelf:

    Provide details on how you arrived here:……………………
    Did you encounter any difficulties on the road to this place? ……………………………………………………….
    Do you wish to execute a suicide operation?…………………
    What objectives would you would like to accomplish on your jihad path?…………………………………………………..
    What ideas and views do you, your family, and your other acquaintances have about jihad in Allah’s sake here?…………
    Family members:…………..Other acquaintances:……………
    Do you have any chronic or hereditary disease(s)?……………
    Who should we contact in case you became a martyr?…………..
    – Address:………………………………………………
    – Phone numbers:…………………………………………

    http://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ubl/english/Instructions%20to%20Applicants.pdf

    • Lucille Austero

      What are your views on robots?…………………………….
      Should they be wearing clothing items?………………….
      How do you feel about sleeves?…………………………….
      When you visualize your robot, is he wearing pants?……………………………

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Hehehehe!! You got me giggling Lucille. 🙂

        • Lucille Austero

          A long holiday approaches. Giggles all around!!

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            YAAAAS GIRL!! I’ve got steaks marinating along with many other goodies I am prepping, I am SO ready for a long weekend.

      • Robert Hammond

        I only like topless robots, also known as TRs.

  • Lucille Austero
    • Allie

      You have the best snarky come-backs, Lucille. 🙂

      • Lucille Austero

        If I would have taken a minute, I would have made the signature Kelly Preston instead of JT. Much more of the funny 🙂

        • Allie

          True that, but JT works pretty well.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        She should receive a Snark PhD. How do we make that happen? 🙂

        • Lucille Austero

          It already has. Please commence referring to me thusly: Dr. Lucille Austero, PhD.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Absolutely Doctor Austero. 🙂

    • Mockingbird

      Poor JT blackmailed into lying for life. Allegedly.

      • Lucille Austero

        Yes. And I never mean to imply there’s something *wrong* with it. Just want to be clear. Clear. Ha Ha.

        • Mockingbird

          Yeah , he would be far more accepted as a gay man then a Scientology puppet .

  • noseinabk

    elle posting at Us magazine today:

    • Susan_Qbird_Poche

      Nose, what article?

      • noseinabk

        http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/leah-remini-talks-fallout-of-leaving-scientology-2015195

        Why would the indies get so worked up over these Leah articles? I noticed that she and a few others have a known indie as followers or are following her on disqus.

        • Susan_Qbird_Poche

          dunno – but, that Lifter troll from a long while back positively hated her. He would jump all over any article about Remini. On the other hand, he was in love with TC. Go figure.

          • noseinabk

            May be the same guy with new tricks.
            I found elle after looking there to see why some nut followed Jersygram to the bunker this morning. The original Guest123 posted in the same thread and was not the first pilfered avi.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      You just can’t stop Jenny from the Block. 🙂 Love that response.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “Given Leah Remini’s insatiable desire for attention, it comes as no
      surprise that for two years she has been incapable of moving on with
      her life and remains obsessed with shamelessly exploiting her former
      religion in a pathetic attempt to get publicity,” a spokesperson for the
      church tells Us Weekly in a statement.

      Funnily enough, cos had no issues with Leah Remini’s “insatiable desire for attention” when they plopped her to face John Sweeney.

      Can’t have it both ways: you can’t designate someone as a character witness when it suits you, then cry foul when what they say doesn’t suit you

      • MostEthicalPimp

        In COS you can’s postulate something withOUT postulating the same thing for yourself. Of course it’s just part of the mind fuck. B

      • Allie

        Well, that’s their hypocrisy right there. They’ll do whatever they want, whether it makes sense or not.. And of course, no one should call them on it because they’re a religion.
        It’s their schtick – and they schtick ot it, at all costs.

      • M from Toronto

        I posted this yesterday (?) but it never hurts to both have a laugh, and see how the CO$ are hoisted on their own petard in the public when their own actions backfire.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLXBUIVU-PE

        • Mymy88

          I love this. Wendy gets the message across in her witty and down to earth way of talking.

          • M from Toronto

            I love seeing the response from the ladies in the audience, the disbelief and ‘ooohhh’. Wendy’s show is growing a lot and has a wide demo so I’m glad she’s willing to say something.

            • Mymy88

              Yes! The ooohhh’s and the audience’s hushed tones of disbelief and acknowledgment that Wendy knoweth what she speaketh of. Thank you Wendy!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Word-clearing 101 con-tinued

    Today, we face a good deal of complexity and difficulty.
    However, following the display of courage, of tenacity
    and of fortitude shown under unfriendly troll fire this morning,
    I have faith in our ability to comprehend and assimilate.

    If not, how can you possibly survive Jamie DeWolf?

    We must examine the distinction between Oxford
    and the Oxford Capacity Analysis test, also known as OCA.

    Oca, to further con-fuse the issue, is a tuber from Peru.

    PS it is not necessary to examine the “Capacity” part of the name,
    as it is virtually certain to be a typo –
    the original used “rapacity” per a private communication
    received by Captain Bill, while dancing around in an overtight girdle.

    “Analysis” is, similarly, a erratum.
    “Dialysis” is one possible reading as kidney trouble may ensue.

    The Tory pic is offered because, well, Tory 🙂

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      How indeed will I survive Jamie DeWolfe tonight? I recall the article about his show said something about “increasingly deranged audience participation” and didn’t Tony say in the LA talk that Jamie was looking for a Tom Cruise lookalike who could do a nude scene?

      It is only five hours from now! And… what should I wear tonight? Oh my goodness I had better go. I have GOT to get ready!!!

      • Mymy88

        Please tell Jamie I love him and he is awesomely talented, sigh. I wish I could go. I know if I could meet him, he would see my true love for him when he looks into my eyes. Who knows what bliss could happen after that (as long as he is not married). Maybe you could give him my pic and phone number? 555-Heart4U

        (refresh)

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Mymy, he is indeed charming and extremely talented!!

          • Mymy88

            Gosh! He blows me away and you saw him in person! Wow! I think he’s the ultimate performer at what he does. Did he do the one about LRH (below)? This one floored me! I’ve never heard anything like it.

            YouTube

            Hubbard’s Gt. Grandson, Jamie DeWolf – Powerful Performance (HD)

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciupsqkLLkQ

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              No he didn’t do that one, which I have only seen on Youtube, But he really knows how to set up and play an audience – he is a superb performer. He basically rounded up 20 or more performance artists, actors, poets, etc and MCed a set of 20 or more performances that skewered scientology as well as other religions.

            • Mymy88

              I bet that was fantastic and a huge morale builder!

      • Suzy

        Please report back! I’m excited for you.

  • M from Toronto

    A comment from the (14 year old) Godson ‘Yeah, cause everyone signs a multiple page contract when they go join any church or temple, that’s totally not creepy at all. Also there is no way I’m going to touch a machine that is an MK Ultra e-meter.” (shout out to @disqus_a8Y0UPDc3a:disqus – in theory that was @ Sid – thanks Disqus. for his post.)

    • Sid

      What could go wrong?

      • M from Toronto

        Seriously Sid, that image is 100% reassuring. (That you’ll soon be at Target Two.)

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X ***
    Yesterday’s removals were way below average with Tampa, Sacramento and LA scraping in.
    I am very disheartened! Still No reaction from CL on Boston, NY, LA and Tampa. Use the complaints, it worked a few times, keep on the pressure
    Local is beautiful, CL might check your IP. Your IP gives your rough location within a region.

    Friday is generally our lucky day for complaints, let’s try some more later this afternoon.
    There are now 44 “overcoming financial stress” in Boston, surely they are mocking us and CL!

    SpamTrack has been updated as at 4:30pm est, the copy/paste for Boston, LA, NY and Tampa have also been updated, please use them and complain.
    Complaints to CL (ready for copy/paste, add your own witty comments): https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2535539

    RedX tips: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2533632
    Flag co$ lies : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml
    F5… Shione by Thienbao enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16723321526/in/set-72157642802079293

  • sugarplumfairy

    Hey, with over a thousand comments, I can’t check to see if this has been posted, but my sister just told me that in Letterman’s last monologue he said that now he was going to be the new face of scientology.. I know I’m a day late and a dollar short, but just in case..

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Yup it is all over the news. I was at the bank yesterday and they had ABC news on the TV in the lobby background, and they mentioned Letterman’s comment. Casual – like just another joke. I love that this evil organization has become the butt of jokes. That will take them down fast, since they have no sense of humor.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    I hope y’all won’t mind my dancing around the Bunker, twirling with sparklers. Despite these despicable contracts, today is a good day.

    – Tonight is Jamie’s show. Sure to be exciting.
    – The response I’ve gotten on Twitter from strangers today over snippets of these contracts has been
    overwhelming shock and disgust. Inoculation is working people.
    – Holiday weekend here in the US. Home of the free, because of the brave. Miss you Dad!!
    – Booze is plentiful and the bar is open.
    – The Bunker is still a bangin’, fabulous place to be.

    Now where is my favorite 3-leafed clover? I want to be a bad influence on him. 😀

    • Sid

      Pour me a double. The weekend is here.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Happy to Sid. You are part of what makes this place great. *pours*

        • Sid

          Perfect. Thanks.

    • Kay

      He’s MIA….I miss him too…

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        He’ll be back. Join us for an early evening cocktail. 🙂

    • Just Dee

      Whatever you are drinking or smoking, I’ll have some. lol

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        And I’ll share it with you too. LOL 😀

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      I’m dying for some boiled shrimp and crawfish on a newspaper-covered picnic table.

      Christ! to think down south, fresh seafood is bought roadside…

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        You’ll want to be here Sunday then. 🙂 Boiled shrimp, corn, potatoes. NOLAHubby’s margaritas and lots of good friends. Wish I could send a plane for you. 🙂

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          *dagger, push and turn*

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            (((((hugs)))))) Not my intention, I promise. 🙂

  • Lucille Austero

    Have a wonderful holiday weekend, everyone! Be safe!!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Are you leaving us?

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Are you going away somewhere lovely? Have a fabulous time 🙂

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Wanna join Scientology? Better Get your PEN READY!

    • 0tessa

      Or, consult your lawyer first.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        And not trust the most ethical people on the planet?

        • 0tessa

          Well, they don’t trust their own customers! Hence the contracts.
          The more small print, the more you have to hide.

        • Leigh Andrews

          I’m not inclined to trust anyone who needs to tout how ethical they are.

          • Allie

            I’m with you. Always makes me suspicious and skeptical.

    • Snake Plissken

      … And don’t forget your wallet

  • nottrue
    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      She will be word-clearing BFMs tweet all weekend. Unless she’s already blocked him/her. 🙂

    • elle

      Go Kirstie. I”m with you. Go for the jugular. Abe Lincoln followed your exact strategy. It works every time.

      • Sibs

        Unless it’s $cientology. But yes, on food it always works.

      • Observer
        • Observer

          And here’s a signed directive to Sea Org to implement it.

          refresh

        • elle

          So, like that isn’t true, ya know.

          • Observer

            If you had actually gone to the page you’d have heard Ron himself describing R2-45 in an audio clip from one of his lectures. The reference is given on the page. But you’re not allowed to, are you? Not unless you want a nice, friendly, expensive round of sec checks.

            • elle

              I’ve heard the whole tape.

            • Observer

              Then you know it IS true. Why would you lie?

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Oh, no. Elle! You’re a cool aid-swilling Scilon (horribly uncool – just ask Anna Wintour), but you have guts. I have the utmost faith that you will escape the cult within the next 2 years…but Kirstie as a role model? C’mon, girl. You know that poor woman is off-her-trolley-insane.

        • elle

          Oh, my, you are so jealous.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Yes. You’re correct. I’m jealous of a poor, deluded woman who has alienated anyone who might employ her in the foreseeable future.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        You didn’t really think Abe Lincoln: Vampire Hunter was real, did you?

    • Snake Plissken

      Did she just say she’s looking to kill David Miscavige?

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I’m a little bit drunk after a fantastic night out, so I can say with all honesty that I would go the last mile for a veggie burger. With mayo. A lack of mayo should never be allowed to prevail.

    • Observer

      She’s not far from going PTS Type III, methinks.

      • Enturbulated Masterbator

        Did you mean to say Type II diabetes?

    • FollowTheMoney

      Kirstie, going in for the kill doesn’t make you a force for justice, it makes you an extremist bitch.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Kirstie going in for the kill, gives line cooks at Golden Coral nightmares.

  • elle

    Hmmmm, you think that not single attorney on earth reviewed this agreement? Not one? Scientology has become more and more astute in keeping their legal ducks well lined up. You may find an ambulance chaser who will tell you that he can sue on your behalf and get you $80 million. I suggest you take him up on it. It will be the wildest ride of your life.

    • flyonthewall

      Hey I heard about you! You’re that crazy scientologist that comments here and there aren’t you?

    • flyonthewall

      You think it’s normal that your church asks people to sign contracts like this when signing up for courses? It doesn’t strike you as odd that someone would be asked to sign away all their rights if they want to take a scientology course?

      • elle

        Again, do you really think not a single attorney reviewed and advised on this agreement? No one has to sign it (and we only have the bigoted Oretega’s word this is the actual agreement) but no one can say later (when the ambulance chaser gets them) that they had just no clue that it’s a religion. I think it’s a good idea.

        • Always Amazed

          You guys need tto collectively get together and find a new word, bigot is over rated. And so is apostate.

          Laugh and be happy,
          sing a merry melody,
          a smile will make a hat rack,
          look like a Christmas tree

          So forget your worries
          In a hurry
          Chase those blues awayyyyyyy
          Laugh and be happy all the live long day!

          ML
          .. We are here for you

        • flyonthewall

          There is no doubt that many attorneys reviewed and advised on this agreement. And all of them were unscrupulous, conscienceless, amoral embarrassments to their profession.

          Again, do you really see this as normal behavior for a “church” to ask a potential “parishioner” to sign something like this before they can participate in “services”?

          You think it’s a good idea that if your church hurts you and causes you to go Type III or cheats you out of money that you will have no legal recourse? You like that idea? Of having no rights if you are harmed or cheated? That your church would require that of you is an appealing notion to you? These are not rhetorical questions, I am genuinely interested in your answer.

        • Suzy

          why do you only have Mr Ortega’s word that this is the same contract? I’m sure they gave you a copy when you signed your contracts, just pull out your old copies and compare.

        • lynn

          why is it that anyone who would think they had been wronged (or when you “church” files suit) & gets an attorney, you refer to them as “ambulance chasers”, but Scientology has how many of their own “in house” lawyers?

          Look up any court case that involves Sci. & count the number of their lawyers compared to the other side. I’d bet you your$50 a wk pay it’s at least 3-1.

        • Enturbulated Masterbator

          Serious question Elle…how do you figure Ortega to be a bigot? He has stated publicly many times that he is not concerned with the spiritual beliefs of your congregation. His goal is to shed light on the human rights abuses preputrated by your ecclesiastical organization. I have a personal spiritual belief system that I know many think is odd but they are not bigots. We simply have a different path to the afterlife and spiritual world.

    • Observer

      Fail. Ambulance chasers are personal injury lawyers and wouldn’t take on civil suits, which is what this would be. Since you’re here, would you mind answering some questions about the statements LRH made in the image below? Refresh to see it.
      .

      • elle

        Of course! It’s true. Learn something.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Don’t be silly, Elle. You’re not stupid. Even old-time Scientologists are embarrassed by Hubbard’s quotes on science.

          • elle

            Yeah, when he wrote about pre-birth experiences affecting a being, the “experts” hooted and howled until -ooops–they found out he is right. I accept your apology.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Good grief. You actually believe that.

            • elle

              uh, no. Doctors and scientists have already proven it. I don’t have to “believe” it.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Utter nonsense. Link me to a legitimate peer-reviewed document from a real scientist.

            • elle

              I’m not doing your work for you. Google it. The problem with your little hit squad at the bunker (yes, we know what your little coven does) is that you do not accept that you are a spiritual being and separate from your body. All religions understand that and work with it. You think that when you die you are dead. Fact is, you survive your body’s death. Get used to it and deal with it.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Oh, we’re a coven now? I’m so excited, but no one told me until now, elle. Thank you so much. I might have to plan a coven party for this weekend.

            • Scream Nevermore

              There are people with all sorts of religious beliefs who post here – you have no idea what they believe or don’t!

            • Frodis73

              We cannot google what does not exist. If you really have such proof you would have that url memorized and post if all over the net defending dumb ass Hubbard…yet you don’t. So, try again.

            • Robert Eckert

              “I’m not doing your work for you.” No, it’s YOUR work. YOU made the claim. YOU have the burden of proof.

            • Eclipse-girl

              extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

        • Observer

          Thank you for agreeing to answer my questions.

          1. If hatting changes eyesight (and I assume he meant for the better), why are there so many staff members with glasses? Not to mention Clears and OTs. In Scientology flyers there are people wearing glasses as they’re awarded their Clear certificates!

          2. What “1950 experiments” is LRH referring to? I’ve certainly never voted for anyone I thought was likely to kill me. I can’t find any reference to them beyond this citation, in either Scientology or non-Scientology materials. Nor have any research notes come to light for anything else in Dianetics or Scientology that he claimed he researched.

          3. What evidence did Hubbard, and now Scientology, withhold from the scientific community regarding humans’ evolution from clams? Because I can sit and hear clam stories and see people snapping their fingers open and shut like a clam all day long and, contrary to Ron’s statement in History of Man, I don’t get so much as a twinge in my jaw.

          4. Having been a kid in the olden days, I can tell you I never saw “radioactive material” exuding from TV sets of the day, and it has was never proven that the low levels of x-ray radiation did any harm at all, and nobody ever got “the TV radiation” poisoning. How do you explain the fact that someone who claimed he was a nuclear physicist was so wrong about something so simple?

          • elle

            I know you like to twist things. He says he thinks it even changes eyesight. It can and does. He didn’t say anything about glasses. Everything there has turned out to be true.

            • Observer

              PAB no. 111 “Eyesight and glasses” also Dianetic Auditor’s Bulletin vol. 2 “You are only three or four hours from taking your glasses off for keeps.”

              I don’t think I’m the one twisting things here. You already admitted hearing the tape where Ron gives details of R2-45 after telling me it wasn’t true.

            • Robert Eckert

              Again, when you make a claim of that sort you ought to provide evidence that it is true. Making extreme claims when you show no basis for them makes us question your basic sanity.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      “Scientology has become more and more astute in keeping their legal ducks well lined up.”

      And why exactly would they need to do so?

      • flyonthewall

        Haters hillie, haters. Oh and don’t forget SMERSH

      • elle

        Everyone should.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          No. Not if you’re acting diligently and in good faith.

    • nottrue

      I think it is time for your Alien Exorcism. Bring your checkbook

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Thank you for dropping by, into the belly of the beast as it were, with your fellow apologist (In Fine Fettle) for disconnection, the RPF, inurement, Operation Snowwhite, chain lockers and the Hole.
      I saw you accuse the Bunker’s origins as being hidden and it’s funding sources like-wise.
      Big Pharma , heh heh

      Look at the graphic I have included and refute it.

      • flyonthewall

        Jeff Hawkins made that didn’t he Pan? Do you know who Jeff Hawkins is elle? You remember all those Dianetics commercials on TV in the 80’s? Yeah that was Jeff Hawkins and now he is a big time SP so suck on that you pig

      • elle

        OK, if you insist. I refute it.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          elle I do hope you get out before you get sent to the RPF again.

        • Panopea Abrupta

          In $cientology terms, elle, you have an MU.
          You have not refuted because you cannot.
          We have had this out before and you have never successfully answered it.
          There are no more than 40,000 $cientologists and probably more like 25,000 worldwide.

          re·fute
          rəˈfyo͞ot/
          verb
          prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove.
          “these claims have not been convincingly refuted”
          synonyms:disprove, prove wrong, prove false, invalidate;

          • elle

            deny or contradict (a statement or accusation).
            “a spokesman totally refuted the allegation of bias”
            Clear up your MUs.

        • Observer

          How can you refute it if you didn’t read it? You didn’t actually read the Ron quotes I posted, either, I’ll wager.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            What are you afraid of, Elle?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Check your email love. ; )

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Gottcha, pumpkin!

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I showed them to an attorney today and his exact words were: “I question the ethics of any attorney that OK’d these.”

      You should question the ethics of upper-management aka David Miscavige.

      • elle

        Sure you did.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Steph’s family is what you might refer to as a ‘whale’, Elle. You guys would kill to get a slice of their action.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            *snort*

            If recruiters show up at my door you’re in trouble missy. LOLOLOL!!

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Stamp politely on their toes with a 5″ heel 😀

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          SMH

          My heart breaks for you. I hope one day you’ll blow and get the hell out of there.

          • elle

            wha….you have a heart?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Oh honey, I know you think spewing vitriol at me will upset me or make me lash out at you but I’m more secure than that.

              You can hate me, call me names, accuse me of being heartless, a bigot…whatever line you’re parroting today and I will still hope that one day you won’t have to live a life controlled by a criminal organization. Despite the way you’re treating people here, I still think you deserve better, as do most of the people in Scientology.

            • Ruby

              NOLAGal, you are a woman of grace. I admire that about you.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Not always, but I try. ; )

              Thank you Ruby. I happen to think you’re a class act too.

            • Ruby

              Cheers. xo

            • Jenny Daniels

              Nola, I’ve always adored and admired you!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              That’s very sweet of you to say Jenny, thank you. You’re a pretty damn cool chick yourself. ; )

      • elle

        This was done hundreds of times and yet Scientology is still here and flourishing.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Are you okay with this quote from Hubbard, Elle? A normal human being would be horrified.

          • Ruby

            I don’t think Elle even knows this is a quote from the man she worships…Hubbard.

            • Observer

              Yeah, she answered it like she thought someone was saying to do it to Scientology, not actually Hubbard telling Scientologists to do it to others.

            • Ruby

              I know! Oh, brother! Showing ignorance is embarrassing. Especially to so many people on the internet.

            • Observer

              With so many Bunkeroo exes and others who have had an eye on Scientology for a long time I’m really surprised she turned up here. It’s a losing proposition.

          • Graham

            She (Or is it ‘they’?) didn’t recognise it as an LRH quote. Just as she/they previously said something nasty about Jenny at LAX’s avatar, completely unaware that it’s a photo of one of their most senior execs. Looks like they know little of their own ‘scripture’ nor of their own senior management. They’re being fed bullshit and kept in the dark.

        • flyonthewall

          You’re not flourishing and you know it. Your orgs are empty everywhere

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Your Orgs cannot even afford light bulbs and toilet paper. Is that acceptable to you, Elle? Here you are working hard to change the public perception of Scientology and David Miscavige won’t even pony up for the basics for your hard-working staff despite sitting on a billion dollar war chest.

        • Eclipse-girl

          If flourishing means having several large building in cities that are decaying, the you are correct.

          I know I have tried to get you read newspaper articles about bout building that were bought several years ago and the building are causing blight problems

          These cities include
          St Louis
          Kansas City
          Boston
          Philadelphia
          Detroit

          That is only the US.

          You should investigate what happened to the building in Bulawayo, Zimbabwe

        • Ruby

          Elle…your ignorance is showing. This is a quote of L. Ron Hubbard.
          You really need to read some LRH policy…that is, unless Captain David Miscavige has censored that too.

          • Graham

            Amazing that the ‘elle’ collective doesn’t recognise a basic LRH quote. Earlier he/she/they said nasty things about someone’s avatar- not recognising it as a photo of a senior Scientology executive (Jenny at LAX). Their ignorance is their bliss I suppose.

        • Jack99

          Flourishing? Let me know when the freedom media ethics twitter site crosses 1000 followers, ok, elle?

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Elle! It’s so great to have you here. You and I have gone head to head on various forums but you’re a woman with a point to make and I have great respect for your tenacious attitude. Mazel tov – as Paulette Cooper, the journalist your church psychologically tortured for 15 years, would say.

      • elle

        Issue was resolved decades ago. Get a life.

        • eloise

          Welcome, elle. I’m legitimately glad you are here. Please read every post and give us your insight

        • Always Amazed

          Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Or is she an SP?

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Legally, yes, it was. Does that excuse it? Does your church flinging ‘apology money’ (your parents’ donations) at Paulette forgive their appalling behaviour?

          However, your church’s spies were still trailing Paulette as recently as a couple of years ago. Is that okay with you?

          • elle

            I’ve read her stuff. She hears cackling outside her door. wow. She is a tad paranoid but keep buying her books and donating to Ortega. She does look pretty good for her advanced age. Had lots of work done, I see. Has to look good for her close-ups in yellow rag journals.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              That’s low, Elle. I didn’t have you down as a bitch. You’ll need to ditch that toxicity when you quit the cult or you’ll struggle to make friends.

              Paranoid? What do you have to say about the Vanity Fair journo who was outed as a Scientology spy who had been covertly cultivating his relationship with Paulette up until very recently. Why does your church need spies? It’s all a little bit dirty. And cheap.

              And I’d love your insight into how members are feeling about their donations being used by David Miscavige to pay P.I.s to spy on his own father to the tune of $10,000 per week for the day shift alone? And when one of the P.I.s thought Miscavige’s father was having a heart attack he called in to ask how he should react and was told by David Miscavige “let him die”.

              This is your leader and he’s a dreadful human.

            • Eileen

              Elle is more than one person, that is why the tone changed, a new shift came on duty.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              ^^^This. They had to log into their other sock account to upvote elles posts. 🙂

            • Ruby

              Or perhaps a different BT took over when the other one went to sleep.

            • Observer

              Speaking of paranoid … where’s your COB? Why is he sending the lower ranks in to do the dead agenting and other dirty work rather than openly speaking out in defense of his church and parishioners?

        • Robert Eckert

          As long as they continue harassing her, no, it’s not resolved at all.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Dear Elle, I just want you to know that there are people out in the real world who would be your friend because they think your decent person and not just because you agree or disagree with them on certain issues.

      • elle

        I have many many friends like that. We work on issues where we have agreement so we can both be helpful. Otherwise, they really are not a friend, you understand?

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Each and every one of your friends would drop you in a heartbeat if you voiced an opinion of your own.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          conditional friendships no thnx!

        • Observer

          If they’d write a KR on you, they’re not friends either.

          • MostEthicalPimp

            Also, they’re not a religious counselor or even a counselor if they’d write a KR on a confessional you had. As I started to move away from LRH’s thinking and was going through my own squirrel phase. Which was very short and didn’t involve doing anything beyond thinking and reading. I was trying to figure out a good reason for writing down confessionals? Hint. I couldn’t find one. Sure you could put notes that there was a confession and how you handled it but why did you need to put what was confessed on paper?

            • Observer

              Exactly. There’s only one reason it would need to be written down and kept: blackmail if you stepped out of line.

            • elle

              It’s to make sure the confessor did everything correctly to the benefit of the penitent. Wow, I’m surprised someone as smart as you didn’t know that.

            • lynn

              you crazy Sci’s & your vocabulary…”penitent” is that your code word for DM?

            • elle

              Now you are just being stupid–or maybe it isn’t only now.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              That you have to resort to name-calling and insults says a lot more about you than it does about the person you’re spewing it at. Aren’t Scientologists supposed to be master communicators? If that were the case, you’d never have to call people names or hurl insults at them.

              No worries though, when GATIII comes out you’ll get to take all those courses over again (for the what? third time now?) so perhaps that will help.

            • elle

              If you were sooooo smart, you would know I’m matching tones. I take my cues from you and the coven hit squad.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Show me an example of NOLA Girl using ad hominem attacks.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              They could write exactly what procedures were followed and just place an X for the act and date.

            • Scream Nevermore

              So how do other faiths who practice confession manage without written notes?

            • elle

              They are not careful, do not have oversight, so who knows what they do at the time. You hear stories, don’t you, and no way for a senior person to inspect what is really going on.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          Your friends wouldn’t say lend you money if told them you felt you really needed a session? Even if they didn’t like your involvement in Scientology. My friends certainly would have.

        • Scream Nevermore

          Real friends don’t disconnect.

          • elle

            Real friends don’t cause so much chaos for you that you have to drop them entirely. It’s therapeutic to do so. Even psychs will advise it. They might even say, “If continue to talk to your mother who gives you a bad time, I can’t continue to treat you.”

            • Eileen

              Psychotherapists would not say that, it would be stupid. Only scientologists would say that.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Her comment must come straight out of a CCHR publication because you’re right, that is a stupid thing to say. A legitimate therapist of any kind would never say something like that.

            • elle

              wrong again. They do say that. Just talked to a couple in marriage counselling. They belong to a large christian church. The counselor told them they that the only problem in their marriage is their parents so cut them out of your lives if they will not conduct themselves civilly with you. They did that. Some they stay away from, and one who they allow to come around is on notice. Much happier marriage and family. I think there are books called Toxic Parents and such. Oh, looky. This isn’t the book but it popped up. Google the issue. You may learn something. https://dietfreebody.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/toxic-parents-how-do-you-know-when-its-time-to-let-go/

            • Jenny Daniels

              Sadly, there are tons of “Christian churches” that are cultic. One defining characteristic of high control groups is that they practice shunning…
              HAHAHAHAHA… “…and such.” Right out of LRH’s stilted smarmy vocabulary…always good when you assume the “winning” valence!

            • Scream Nevermore

              Simply leaving Scientology would not make a real friend drop you. It’s that simple. I have friends of all religions and none. Our friendships are not based on slavish devotion to one specific ‘holy book’.

            • elle

              And you would be correct. “Simply leaving” doesn’t cost you any friends. Happens all the time with people coming and going and such. But those who do not “simply leave” but who attack and lie, well, they can expect push back. It’s only fair. It’s a shame that you have been lied, but more of a shame that you believe such hogwash without even trying to know the truth.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Are you scared that people talk about their real experiences.

              What evidence do have that people lied?

            • elle

              That information has been made to you many times on many venues. You have a recorded response so are unable to read and duplicate.

            • Eclipse-girl

              It has not been provided.
              Once you wanted me to read Freedom mag, and I explained the source of the material made it highly circumspect.

              (on the other hand in one of the different discussion we have had, I did give you newspaper article that showed how scientology owed a great deal of money because taxes were not paid)

              You decided to come to the here.
              What evidence do you have that any of the commenters here are lying to you?

            • Eclipse-girl

              I would rather have REAL friends who feel free to disagree with me and want to protect me from my own irrational reasoning

              No one is perfect. WE all make mistakes, even scientologists.

              Friends , and family can disagree with one another, and still find ways to get along.

              ETA : You called me a liar and yet you NEVER stated what I lied about.

            • elle

              Sure family and friends can disagree and still get along. But if your “friend” tries to harm you or something you are deeply involved with, well, you can can try to suck up and hope they like you, but that would be stupid.

            • Eclipse-girl

              If a friend pulled you back before you jumped off a bridge, dodged into traffic, or stuck a needle in your arm would you disconnect from them?

              There are plenty of people who would claim those people were not true friends

            • madame duran

              How is asking questions, giving a thoughtful criticism or stating a genuine belief that may be different to your own creating “chaos”?
              If a friend suggested a book for you to read or a film to watch, how is that problematic or threatening (even if it’s material that you might not particularly be interested in)?
              Elle, I really question how many long-term relationships or friendships you’ve maintained in your life if the basis of that connection is entirely built on constant agreement. Ask any non-Scientologist in a longstanding relationship and s/he’ll tell you how unrealistic that is! The presence of conflict doesn’t mean they don’t care about each other. This is probably why there’s such a high rate of divorce within Scientology. There’s no compromise, no loving grace, no patience, no respect, no room for any loyalty except to Scientology. The slightest infraction is met with the heavy hand of “ethics”.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Scientology has $1.B to hire lawyers, of course they wrote it! But you are missing the point, sweetheart. These kind of agreements are so one-sided they are unconscionable. I know you think you are superior to those of us who have not paid the big bucks to learn about Xenu. But gosh sweetheart, just because you think you are superior doesn’t mean your greedy and abusive organization has the right to treat its members as though they are the enemy. Good golly what are you afraid of?

    • pluvo

      Oh looky, the OSA-troll showed up. I was wondering already – it was so trollless the last days.
      Have ya read “The Unbreakable Miss Lovely” already?

      • Jenny Daniels

        Not ALLOWED,

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I decided to actually address what you said since I finally got my head around your thinking. Yes, Scientology hired lawyers to help write the contract and these lawyers followed DMs orders. Basicily the contract achieves it’s two goals:
      1. Be Scary so people are afraid to sue or talk ill of Scientology.
      2. Don’t say anything so stupid that you can get sued for making people sign the contract.
      Hats off to the Scientology Lawyers!

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Her donations are paying for those lawyers. She must be so proud.

      • Susan_Qbird_Poche

        Exactly – elle is a shock tropper:

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I dare you to read “The Unbreakable Miss Lovely” by Tony Ortega, Elle 🙂

      • Jenny Daniels

        Elle has done the mind-numbing student hat so many times that he/she is no longer capable of reading.

    • edge

      That’s the point, actually. The Co$ is one of the most lawyered-up organizations in the world, and I’m sure an army of lawyers at WEPHUCKEM & HOWE went through every single sentence just to make sure there is no loophole that you can use to get out of the fact you have surrendered all your rights for relief should the Church screw you over out of your money or your private information.
      The heavy-handedness just changed forms. It used to be the “orientation” video just told you to jump off a bridge or blow your brains out if you rejected Scientology. Now, they make you sign away your rights and your word that this really isn’t a sham. By the way, do any of those people who get “assists” in disaster zones have to sign waivers?
      Oh, and speaking of lawyers taking up challenges, there must be dozens of Church lawyers lining up to sue HBO and Going Clear, and it hasn’t happened. WTF? I suggest you tell him to take it up.

      • elle

        Now you are just frothing at the mouth making no sense and trying to squeeze in overlapping lies. yawn.

    • Eclipse-girl

      A lawyers job first and foremost is to protect their client.

      The person who signed the contract then has to spend a large amount of money to claim that the contract was invalid.

      • elle

        And he will fail. Contracts get tested. There is a standardness about them. You can complain about all sorts of things in life, but you will be asked: what does the contract say? and that will be your answer. You really should not practice law without passing the bar first.

        • Robert Eckert

          There’s certainly no “standardness” about THESE contracts. They are bizarre, and a court is bound to look askance at them.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Where are contracts tested?
          What standardness is there about contracts when dealing with a “religion?”

          What religions REQUIRES its newest adherents to sign contracts?

    • Jenny Daniels

      In suing your oppressive cult, I did NOT have the wildest ride of my life and although I lost the skirmish, I won the war!
      As you do your A-E, please remember that you are told only what they want you to know, which is very very rarely the truth.
      Life lived Scamtology free, is a life worth living!

  • Jimmy3
    • Addi_t.

      • Jimmy3

        G_t a n_w fu_king k_yboard

        and then dance, fucker, dance. :)))))

        • I ae an “e.” Sows wat you know. A dammit! *dries to bestbuy*

          • Jimmy3

            I’m sorry, I didnt mean to _all you a fucker.

            I meant to say fu_ker.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      There’s my favorite clover. How’s your day going J3? 🙂

      • Jimmy3

        I have a comfortable buzz on, I spoke to someone who makes me really happy, and my wings didn’t fail me. So it is a great day.

        But if the Cavs lose, I’m going to start breaking shit.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I think you’ll be ok, I’m fairly certain the Cavs have got this in hand.

          Glad to hear you’re having a good day. Let me know if I can refill your cocktail and do watch out for the troll droppings. 🙂

          • Jimmy3

            I said 5, but if they win tonight they may sweep.

            Just keep pouring.

  • Toni m

    Mr, Augustine you in company of the efforts from many others are taking the cheese off of the tramp for the never in. And you are making it so gross and uneatable for the ones inside that they are slowly but surely getting out of the tramp.
    The video was much better than I expected the only problem is, it was very short (that what it was for me, it went flying, it ended so fast) I could have been there seeing it for hours.
    Allison was very intelligent, her questions and the answers to them can easily be sustain with evidence. This video is going to be very successful, I can see that.
    Miss Cooper, I never thought I was going to agree with scientology in something but you are really “lovely”. I liked to hear from your own voice the satisfaction for helping others even at the cost you had to paid for it.
    Mr. Ortega you gave closure to a sad episode in someone’s life. You didn’t have to make that closure but you did it. In my work we ask for medical history and when they answer “I don’t know, I was adopted” sometimes you can notice how this empty space of their lives affect them deeply. Many years ago I worked with someone that was spending a lot of money to find her birth parents. That shows how much many of them want to know.
    I enjoy and appreciate your work very much.

  • TonyOrtega

    Paulette and I will be on the Gil Gross show at 4 pm (7 pm Eastern), Talk 910 am, here in the heart of San Francisco.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      and I will see you at 7:00 ! so excited!

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        SO jealous!! Have fun Free. 🙂

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Good luck! You two are quite the team 🙂

      • Toni m

        I’m sad to inform you that we’re without a job. In the kindle version of the book is the option of audio but you may know that already. I haven’t had the time to read all the comments and maybe someone already said something about it. I’m very excited about because now I can hear it in my commute to work. Going back to work. It is 4:40 am central time now.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Ooh, you clever thing! Peggy Oh! has problems holding books and Kindles – I had completely forgotten that Kindles have an audio option. Have you ever tested it?

          Also – bugger. You and I would have made the finest audio books in the history of history 😛

          • Toni m

            Yes I tested.and is very good.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              You’re great, thank you. I’ve passed that on to Peggy.

            • Toni m

              It work with my car. I connected my kindle to my car stereo and I was able to hear it through my car speakers.

            • Toni m

              It can be connected to a home stereo and I will try to my TV just for the sound. My laptop is connected to my TV all the time because I have many sewing and cooking classes from Craftsy and I like to see them in the big screen.

              Time for me to sleep. Jon post is very good.

          • Toni m

            We could have done it much better.

    • Jimmy3

      I don’t always listen to your radio broadcasts live, but when I do, I hear them while they’re actually happening.

    • flyonthewall

      tight schedule eh? have fun 2nt

    • seriouslyWTF

      I was able to catch the show. Always great to hear you and Paulette talk.

  • Elspeth

    This is jaw-dropping stuff for me, a non-Scientologist who was luckily never ensnared. Thank you for the info. It’s disturbing as hell but needs to be understood.

    Although I no longer consider myself a Christian, I am right now so thankful to have been raised in a real church (United Methodist) that did not systematically bully or intimidate its members. People were not treated like potential adversaries, the programs were almost always free — except perhaps for an occasional weekend retreat which was modestly priced to cover camp rental — and families supported the church according to their resources in amounts decided by them. The beliefs were openly shared to anyone wanting to hear (member or no) and lock-step thinking was not required. What a topsy-turvy world!

  • FollowTheMoney

    Tony on podcast: skip forward to 30mins in to hear him.

    • lmnop

      thank you, that’s useful information! 🙂

  • Leigh Andrews

    Here is what confuses me about the contracts. I was always taught that an element of a valid contact was having a valid subject matter, which is the thing that I was contracting to do or deliver. This is just what I learned in business law class. Consider the Sea Org contract: I cannot reasonably contract to do something for a billion years because people do not live that long. Lacking a valid subject matter, any modifications to the contract are null and void because the contract itself is null and void.

    What do they do, kick people out who refuse to sign the initial contract?

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I’d think they’d probably let you do a few initial courses but not continue very much until you sign the contract. Yeah, the whole thing is more about creating fear than it is about any sort of legally enforce ability.

      • Leigh Andrews

        It seems like something that would be ripe for a class-action suit. If nothing else, voiding all the contracts would give people access to their auditing files.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          Dumb Q, @Kay But aren’t psychotherapists generally against patients viewing their files? If so and since Scientology considers it self a sort of spiritual psychotherapy(gag!) wouldn’t it make sense for them to be against parishioners viewing their own files?

          • Observer

            No. Patients have a legal right to see their files whether their psychotherapists want them to or not.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              excellent point!

            • Mockingbird

              Just like in Scientology ?

          • Eileen

            As a psychotherapist I can tell you that Obs is correct.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              But am I right in my assumption and online research that most Psychotherapists feel that it’s not beneficial for a patent to see the notes on them and may even be harmful?

            • Eileen

              I’ve only had a patient ask one time. Notes are boring, date, general topic, treatment plan. There is nothing in the notes that is my opinion or surmise. This would be true for any therapist who bills insurances.

            • Mockingbird

              I want my therapist to be sane .

  • truth will set u free

    Seriously but anyone who would willingly sign these kind of contracts are just asking for abuse and exploitation,doncha think?

    • Snake Plissken

      It’s an IQ test, if you look it over and don’t run for the door … you failed.

      • Mockingbird

        Damn

    • Observer

      I imagine they’re not actually allowed to read them.

      • flyonthewall

        Can you imagine the reaction if the person said they wanted to look it over with their lawyer before signing?

        • flyonthewall

          they’d be all like “Wha!? How did I end up in the parking lot all of a sudden? I remember being asked to stand up and then it’s all a blur, lots of pushing and shoving, and now I’m standing the org’s parking lot! Well I’ll be damned.”

          • Robert Hammond

            Or wake up 7 years later and be like, “How did I end up in this chain locker?”

      • lmnop

        Very strange, isn’t that against the law, not allowing someone to read a contract before they sign it? Doesn’t that behavior invalidate the contract? Amazing they can get away with this. I should send a copy of this contract to my congressman Brad Sherman…

        • flyonthewall

          there’s a clause in the contract that says if you look at it you agree to everything in it. It’s called the lookie loo clause, very sneaky

          • lmnop

            Reminds me of term of service agreements for software and their updates. I used to read them and then stopped because they got longer and longer and took up too much time. Who knows what I’m agreeing to in those things.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              At least you can be assured that whatever you’re agreeing to in those software agreements it doesn’t involve locking you up in isolation and giving over control of your life.

              Co$ contracts…not so much. ; )

            • lmnop

              Yes, but you know what worries me in this day and age? That companies will learn from Scientology. I guess the difference is the First Amendment protections for “religious” purposes…

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Yep, very different for a “tax-exempt for religious purposes” organization. That’s why they fight so hard to make sure they don’t lose it because with it goes the vast amount of protections the courts give them.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          You should and highlight the nonrefundable clauses which goes against the IRS settlement. Also, Every contract I’ve ever signed states.
          I’ve read and understood the above.

        • Observer

          Oh, I don’t think they’re told “No”, I think they’re pressured–“it’s just normal confidentiality stuff,” and if necessary the fixed, dedicated glare is employed.

          • Mockingbird

            You are exactly right

        • ze moo

          Just because a contract is unconscionable, doesn’t make it illegal. At least not until challenged in court. The religiousosityness of the clampire hides a lot of sin.

          It is always incumbent on the signer to read the contract. That the clams try to avoid that, still places the onus on the signer.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Actually you are allowed to read them. You don’t get to have any copies though. If you ask, you get told you can pick them up later, but then they never are available. You also don’t get to have a lawyer review them before you sign. To do so would almost assuredly have caused you to be thrown out or declared PTS at least.

        I remember signing some of these in the ’90s. I did read them. Some of the phrases did raise alarms and it seemed that they were all one sided. Especially the one about he introspection rundown. Still I signed them.

        Why? Why would I sign them even if I had reservations about the wording or fairness?

        For me, if I can look back at my state of mind then, I think it is because of a number of factors:

        1) I still wanted what Scientology promised. I recognized that I had not attained what Scientology promised and I, due to Scientology’s teachings, thought it was entirely my fault that I hadn’t. My only hope of attaining the things Scientology promised was to sign and continue in Scientology.

        2) What John P. Capitalist describes as “Sunk Cost Bias.” I had poured many years of my life into Scientology including being on Class IV Org staff and three stints in the Sea Org. I had paid tens of thousands of dollars into Scientology for classes and services. I had most of my friends in Scientology. I had spent thousands of hours studying Scientology. That is a lot of Sunk Costs. To not sign the contracts meant that I could no longer do Scientology. That is a lot to throw away.

        3) I still attributed some improvements in my mind and life to Scientology. Some things like the artificial focus gained from TRs or a version of literacy gained from looking up many words and doing the “Key To Life” course. In that sense it was something that I felt I owed my support to. I felt a bit ashamed to question the contracts.

        4) I had been involved in many briefings on how people leave the ‘church’ and then attack it. They get turned against it somehow (via SPs or the Psychs) and sue the organization. It was because they were influenced to do so, perhaps even though they would never have attacked the church on their own. I believed this. So I could justify signing them contracts by the thought process of imagining if I was somehow unduly influenced at some point by SPs and didn’t have self control, I would be protecting the organizations by giving them a pro-active defense by signing now. (Unaware that the undue influence was by Scientology and the evidence was right in front of me.)

        5) I would have to refuse to sign, with no time for thought, no time to prepare. I would have to suddenly after all these years, having sat down to pay for more services, decide enough was enough, stand up and refuse in the face of my staff member friends and all the others I knew who would instantly be called in, and walk out. After I had all ready admitted defeat by being there asking for Scientology to salvage me from myself.

        You sign them because you have already lost the game. You are negotiating from weakness and self doubt and a bleak future you are convinced you have unless you continue in Scientology. You are not in a strong place from which you can advocate for yourself or stand up for fair treatment. You are signing an unconditional surrender in hopes you will be allowed to live.

  • Local Resident

    I’d love to see what an intake officer would do if a legal type were to redline this before signing it.

  • Shanester
    • MaxSpaceman

      Didn’t Tony & Paula record for Tamla Records, in the late 60s/early 70s, a division of Motown ?

      Oh, the Book Tour for “The Unbreakable Miss Lovely,” with Tony and Paulette. 😉

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    Off-Topic: I’d like to revisit Todd Tomorrow’s idea of an unofficial meeting of the Bunkerites — a BunkerCon, if you will — where we meet each other, rub shoulders, plot strategy, and hopefully don’t wreck our hotel rooms in the process.

    Anybody have any more ideas for a potential location?

    • Leigh Andrews

      It would be good to list the sites nominated to date. The only one that I remember is Massanutten, VA.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        I mentioned Massanutten, VA.

        Todd mentioned San Francisco and Kansas City.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I’d love one but I don’t see myself being able to travel very far for one 🙁

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Todd mentioned Kansas City because supposedly it’s the cheapest place to fly to from anywhere in the country.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          Not a cash problem but other daily commitments…

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            We would plan this months in advance (assuming this isn’t a pie-in-the-sky scheme) so hopefully we could help you plan around that.

    • CherryPitz

      Vegas, baby. Easy to get a flight there, lots of p laces to get into trouble.

      But KC works too.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        PLUS ALL THE ENTHETA YOU CAN HANDEL! oh, wait you mentioned that already!

        • Eclipse-girl

          Handel was a composer 😉

          • Robert Eckert

            Nowadays he’s a decomposer

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Name me one hotel in Vegas that’s affordable and NOT a den of vice.

    • Snake Plissken
      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Exactly! Maybe we can cosplay as Scientology celebrities!

        • Mockingbird

          Oh God .

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        EnthetaFest?

        Ortega-palooza?

        L. Con?

    • Eclipse-girl

      my vote is for someplace that is that we can dominate.

      We can educate the populace about the evils on scientology and how we all know one another from only the internet, etc

      The place we go to has to accessible and affordable.

      We are community of individuals.
      NOt everyone can afford to fly.
      Not every one can afford a hotel room at “city prices.”

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        So… would Massanutten fit that mold? Or Richmond?

        • Eclipse-girl

          I am not against it.

    • Mockingbird

      By any chance could it be at the Toronto conference ? I hear it is the place to be .

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        No, it would just be us Bunkerites hanging out… at least, that’s what Todd’s idea sounded like.

        • Mockingbird

          Oh…gosh , I hope it easy to get to for the Northern Mockingbird .

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            To Greyhound!

            • Mockingbird

              Can’t I drive my car ?

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Sure. May need a passport to cross the border.

            • Mockingbird

              Okay, thanks.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Another Miss Lovely collage, #16 – only 6 photos this time.
    I have a sneaking suspicion I had better get ready for a flood of
    fresh photos after Jamie cuts loose in S.F.

    Jelly much?
    Hell, yeah!
    Have a party,Bunkeroos 🙂

  • nottrue
  • Observer

    Should any lurkers new to Scientology-watching be wondering about the R2-45 thing (which is shooting someone in the head), yes, it was a real thing Hubbard said and and directed Sea Org to use on more than one occasion against people he perceived as his enemies.

    What elle is doing is called dead-agenting: trying to discredit people who are exposing the truth about Scientology. That’s why she (or he) said those horrible things about Paulette Cooper, and why she (or he) keeps trying to “shudder us into silence”, as Hubbard said. There are no lengths to which they will not go to accomplish that. If you haven’t yet read The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, I recommend you do so to find out just how low Scientology will go.

    And elle, don’t bother with the lie that Operation Freakout was carried out by rogue agents who were kicked out. I don’t recall Ron ever being kicked out, and it was directing it every step of the way. In those days nobody sneezed without Ron’s approval.

    Refresh for more info.

    • Jo

      We won’t be shuddered into silence, this is why I love the bunker. Fuck u OSA, sorry for swearing folks x

      • Mockingbird

        Hey , in OSA’s defense they only tried to drive me to insanity or suicide once . They only covered up a murder of a member of one family I was very close to – that I am absolutely positive of and they have only tried to kill or ruin utterly three of my friends . Now who looks silly .

        • Jo

          Sorry Mockingbird, not sure what to say.

          • Mockingbird

            It is okay .They have terrorized some of my friends like Arnie Lerma and Jon Atack far worse than myself .Exposing them and standing up to them help me tremendously.

            • Jo

              You got good friends, I’m a never in, here for different reason’s. Bunker has helped me too. I have, since I was a kid, tried to feel braver to speak out. It’s not easy, different religion, same bullshit. Your right, standing up to them is the answer, untangling, the mess is complicated. I’m hopeful too.

      • Rasha

        It’s alright – you can say “OSA” here.

        • Ruby

          ^^^

      • Jenny Daniels

        As I never signed these egregious contracts (sadly they had not been presented to me in 1972 as they would not exist for another 20+ years…for I would have REFUSED even then) I am currently feeling that I/we are OBLIGATED to speak out as loudly and and frequently as possible!
        The only hope for mankind is a complete fraud, which promotes the destruction of individuals and families.
        I am beyond ashamed that I was a member.
        Jo, it’s not merely OSA that should f— off; its OSA, the whales, the Dumb Midget and each and every public member who sticks his/her head in the sand pretending that it’s “the greatest good!”Aargh!

    • pluvo

      Isn’t she/he normally on the magazine sites, putting the ‘SPs’ “in their place”. No other trolls here lately and their champion troll gets sent here. The shit must have really hit the fan in davy-bubble.

    • Mockingbird

      One of my favorites

  • Ruby

    Thanks for taking the watch today, Jeff. What a great post. THIS is the stuff that everyone needs to be aware of.

    I notice that we have had some “visitors” trying to disrupt the comment section. I just hope they had a chance to read today’s article and all the recent success happening with Tony and Paulette.
    Captain David Miscavige must be really upset to be sending so many of his slaves over here to comment.
    Too bad he can’t speak up for himself.

    • ReallyMGM

      Either Jeff’s post hit a nerve or DM imploded today over his bad year.

      • Observer

        And the year’s not even half over!

        • Ruby

          2015 is turning out to be a great year!

      • pluvo

        yep (1) – their slave-contracts need to get ‘disseminated’ to the general public.

      • Mockingbird

        What bad year ? He said Scientology has reached a level transcending space and time .He said we are the rock and fortress of humanity. He said things are stratospheric and reaching heights never before dreamed of .

        I never had a year that good .He makes it sound like there are three billion Scientologists and two hundred Saint Hill size Ideal Orgs and five hundred million staff and one hundred million Sea Org members . Are we talking about two different things ?

    • Juicer77

      Gotta give “elle” props for showing up from time to time and subjecting herself to all this entheta. She does have spunk. Not much else, but spunk in spades.

      • Ruby

        And, she’s not as potty mouthed as the morning visitor.

        • Juicer77

          I missed that one, sort of glad I did!

          • Ruby

            Yeah…pretty pathetic. 🙂

      • Eclipse-girl

        Just ask her questions.
        She wont answer them.

      • pluvo

        Ehhm no. It’s her/his assignment. She/he is endowed with a superiority complex, being the “homo novis” (equivalent of a kind master race),

        • Juicer77

          I rely on the expertise of those here. Whatever the motivation, I will always welcome discourse, you never know when something may crack the shell.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Juicer,
        I have tangled with her before.
        She can not answer direct questions .
        The she goes ad hominem.

        By coming here, she is probably doing her A – E.

        • pluvo

          I think thisone is a well trained* OSA bot.

          *http://warrior.xenu.ca/1997-0901.html
          *http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/john-sweeney.htm

  • CK

    Tony’s pal Jeff Augustine interviewing Mike Rinder who said 2015 is going to be a horrible year for Co$. Oldie but goodie and released before Gibney’s doc in March. Wonder how much longer they can sustain themselves.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgQrb9rB3ZA

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      One of the best Surviving Scientology episodes ever. Highly recommended listening.

    • ze moo

      Don’t start the final clam bake yet. DLHDM has lots of cash and a nice real estate portfolio to burn through yet. He may not be getting many new converts, but as long as the whales hold out, the lights will stay on.

      • Mockingbird

        Buzzkill

    • MaxSpaceman

      $3 billion and a $500 million global Real Estate Investment goes a long way toward sustaining. Think 2025.

      • Mockingbird

        Damn

        • Dagnabit

          Dagnabit

          • Mockingbird

            Great name , I also love doggone it and gosh darn it .

          • The Dude

            Ornery flea-bitten varmint.

      • Mockingbird

        I was really hoping 2016 could be the year the cult collapses and goes down in court by 2017 .

        • MaxSpaceman

          I would seriously suggest letting go all thought of estimating the time to collapse. With the #s of dollars and attorneys and P.I.s and staff/searorg people at his disposal, he can lose every court case and still be fighting in 2015. And he won’t lose every court case (see Garcias, for example; and the Headleys, too.) Think more of the satisfaction at any losses at all in any arena whatsoever. There’s small victories coming. Some big ones too. But 2015 is no problem for him to make it to.

          • Mockingbird

            I really want the slaves freed , disconnected families reunited and a measure of justice for many victims, not to mention recovery from the Scientology cult to progress.

            Oh well, an SPs work is never done . I have to balance my desires with reason. I have trouble being objective in my analysis of this .

            I know Scientology is a tiny problem in the overall scheme of mankind as it affects perhaps a few hundred thousand people at most if you factor in the families of the cult members and the critics subject to fair game.Compared to many other issues it is globally small potatoes.

            But when you spend 25 years in the cult , work for hundreds of hours on recovery and immerse yourself in critical information on it you can feel like life and the world would tremendously improve if the cult fell. Not to mention feeling compassion for all of Scientology’s victims as you learn about the heinous crimes and exploitation and abuses the predatory cult inflicts upon them.

            • MaxSpaceman

              With you on wanting to see it “all fall down.” But realistically, I don’t expect it to happen in my lifetime. The religious cloak is an immense protective wall. Hoping to see Monique’s effort to bear fruit. Remember, small victories one after another!

  • BraveBloggers

    I hope Gibney (or our proprietor) does a follow up and spends some time on these documents in particular, and then dissects and compares them with the doctrine of the organization.

    Hell, they outright contradict their own tech and source with these forms in multiple places. I’d really like to see an in depth line by line discrepancy story (stories) on this topic.

    TONY – when the book tour slows a bit and affords you more time, you have so many potential stories in these documents alone that I think The Bunker would be EXTREMELY interested in. It’s a veritable gold mine of excellent educational and forewarning information. PLEASE put this on your to do list, which I’m sure is staggering in length.

    Any other Bunkerittes agree?

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I don’t know if Tony will break it all down because Jeff is doing a damn good job of it at his site, but I’d read Tonys thoughts on them. I think he’s coming back from his book tour with more stories for us. I can’t wait for those. 🙂

    • Mockingbird

      They warrant their own book and documentary.

  • ze moo

    Another 1k plus comment day. Looks like fun to me. Sorry I can’t see the Dewolfe show tonight, it’s a long drive to SF from the east coast.

    • MaxSpaceman

      June 11

    • Eclipse-girl

      It sounds like its a great show.
      Lets hope someone tapes it and puts it online.

  • Always Amazed

    Don’t forget to show your love, and click the red heart!

    • Jimmy3

      I clicked it twice.

      • Stick with three times.

        • The Dude

          Dodo. I checked out Animals as Leaders. Great stuff. Reminds me of the stuff my friend from Belarus puts out.

      • Mockingbird

        Bad Bunkeroo

  • Tom Cruise joins Sea Org….. (maybe)…. if this photo is anything to misinterpret!

    • ze moo

      Shouldn’t he have a braded lanyard or something really big, like that Giant Medal Of Valor DM ‘awarded’ him? He is looking a little paunchy, isn’t he?

      • he’s really getting that old man physique…look at his buckle and then look at it compared to the bottom of his shoe compared to the top of his head… does not compute!! [that Chinese leg extension surgery, ed?]

    • Observer

      Fresh-faced isn’t how I’d describe him.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      “Mena” refers to the town of Mena, Arkansas. It was where the US Government CIA run Iran-Contra program had it’s air base for providing supplies to the Nicaraguan Contra rebels, paid for by drug running. (If I recall correctly)

      The Scientology connection is that Scientology’s Freedom Magazine was running a series of articles that aimed to discredit Bill Clinton, claiming that he looked the other way and even blocked the Federal investigations into what was happening in Mena. The also implied that he was a cocaine abuser and even ran an article claiming that he had a “personal physician” from Arkansas visit him in the white house, administering a custom “allergy medication” that he refused to let the Secret Service inspect.

      It was part of Freedom’s agenda to smear the administration and the Federal Government as being involved in many criminal and unethical activities. It was doing this to draw attention and legitimacy away from the Federal probes of Scientology and the damning documents about Scientology and its founder Hubbard that were discovered in the July 8th 1977 raids Tony covers so well in his book.

      I would not be at all surprised that Tom was hooked up with this project precisely to revisit that strategy again, given the pending and active investigations into Scientology.

      • … I remember tweeting the actresses [serious D list] about how they were going to destroy their careers blah, blah, blah…. Cruise is over, finished blah, blah, blah… if nothing else I’m sure they at least discussed it amongst themselves…

        pic

  • Edward Whalley

    A Psychlo’s Guide to Dealing with the Enemy
    issued by Teeny Whopper
    High Marcabian Command of Farsec

    First, when dealing with Scns in a confrontation, smile. Take a few deep breaths. Imagine a sunflower radiating from your solar plexus. Act as if you’re the most wonderful, most loving, most positive thing you can think of. If you can summon it in yourself, love them, if only as silly little children who can’t understand life outside the Church. You’re not evil, who has to be negative, they are. They expect negativity. They expect hatred and opposition. They wish you should be the worst of the worst. So….

    Always remember, truth is on your side. They have only the word of a charlatan.

    Think of the TOS Star Trek character Gorgon: his power only holds sway on children who don’t remember what life was like with their families. In Westville, I’d ask when they’ve been out to walk in the park, about the Art Fair coming up, whether the food in the House of Chao is as good as they say.

    Expect insults. Don’t wisecrack back. Instead, have a canned, noncommittal answer, such as “I understand.” or simply “Interesting.” (This is basic TR’s, and will make them wonder what you know.)

    Don’t throw memes around, or OT material. They probably won’t know what you’re talking about. Instead, make references to the TR’s, as shown above and to the book “Dianetics”. Memorize a few passages, and their page numbers. Ask what they think about them, what’s “their take”.

    If they get angry, and start throwing around phrases like “my religion”, immediately shut down. The angrier they get, the more like a good nanny you should be: you’re so sorry, are their feelings hurt, it must be very frightening and harsh to deal with a big, cruel world that doesn’t understand them. Act as if you’re soothing a fretful child: your attitude of calm authority is something familiar, and will help them regain their composure. Pull apart what they think about the Inquisition or the Crusades. Point out that most Christians don’t believe in Jonah and the Whale, literally, but how can Jesus be so bad, if he could advocate a little kindness, now and then?

    If at all possible, do a small, kind act for them. If they are Sea Org, see if they want something to eat or drink. Don’t talk about their working conditions, just feed them, preferably a luxury item like hamburgers.

    They might try to turn the discussion around, to try to convert you. Agree — up to a point. No, you don’t have any extra money right now. Yes, you already have a Dianetics book — and have studied a few of the others, as well. Wonder aloud whether Ron really understood physics: after all, he liked Einstein, but the “MEST” formula directly contradicts Special Relativity. You read “A History of Man” but didn’t think much of his theory of evolution. But of course, you’re just a gollywog (look up the toy reference, and use the whole word), and so if you could discuss one of these books with me….Now, what does he mean when…

    Every other religion on earth enjoys discussing the Sacred Scriptures. To a Scientologist, this is “Word Tech” and can’t be tolerated. Emphasize this fact. This is one of the things that religion is all about, along with family, the love of community, and ties to the greater good, especially outside the Faith. Talk about the Good Samaritan, what it meant in the first century Palestine to obey the laws of hospitality, even if they were different than you. (If they are second-generation, this will be an utterly alien (athem) concept.) It should be understood that you should never, ever sign anything.

    Have fun. Be silly. Carry a cell phone at all times. And our love to all of you….

  • cdubb

    So we really hit a nerve bringing Paulette Cooper around. Welcome to your future, trolls.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    Thinking of you all! In place with Todd Tomorrow waiting for the show to start. Met Jamie and his parents, met Paulette who is delightful. They are almost out of books so I’m glad we brought books with us, I will have one autographed for Miss Tia!

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Yeah, Tia!
      Eat shit, Hubbard and Miscavige.
      Love and connections across the internet are gonna bring you down.

      TICK f&#kin’ TOCK

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      have fun ! tell everyone hi ! how exciting !

    • Robert Hammond

      I’m here too!

      • The Dude

        Cool!

    • The Dude

      I wish I could meet y’all. That would be fun.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Me too, Dude. I guess we need to come to Massachusetts and hear you play!

        • The Dude

          That would be a blast!

    • Eclipse-girl

      that is so cool.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Using Free mind acct. Midd you EC and The Dude
        Xxxooo Todd

        • Eclipse-girl

          You know, I was gonna do that for Tia, but then NOLA girl stepped and sent her a copy.
          A different bunkerro will get an autographed copy. She is being VERY patient.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Yes, NOLAGirl sent her a copy to read and donate, but Miss Tia had to wait for me to go to the show to get her signed copy.

            • Eclipse-girl

              and you are a wonderful friend

  • not around much this weekend… as we’re a few hours ahead of the US this post should probably be put in tomorrows comments but a [slightly] advance happy birthday to Wise Beard Man…(23rd May)

    pic

  • Spike Robinson

    For a friend:

    A Christian, a Muslim and a Scientologist are marooned on a desert island. The Christian prays to Jesus and the Muslim to Allah, hoping they will be rescued.

    The Scientologist merely sits down and waits; he knows that his IAS reg will find him.

    • Love it!
      XD

    • The Dude

      Nice!

    • villagedianne

      Good one.

    • Juicer77

      Lol! Good to see you, Spike 🙂

    • AintMizBahavin

      wow roflmaooo i definitely needed this laugh.. ty

      • Juicer77

        Hope everything is ok, Aint.

    • Ella Raitch

      Awesome!

    • Mockingbird

      If that guy has money , credit or sellable organs the reg will find him .

  • Jimmy3
    • flyonthewall

      we cool?

      • Jimmy3

        Cold as ice

  • Robert Hammond

    Spanky Taylor and Tory McGoo waiting for the show in SF.

    • Cuties!

    • Baby

      I am beyond jealous.. Hi everyone.. Home from vacation..I have so much to catch up on.. Waiting for more company due at Midnight.. Busy.. Miss you so much.. Love baby.. xoxo

      • The Dude

        Hey Babe! Hope you had a great time

        • Baby

          Hey sweetie.. ohhhhhhhhhhhh Dude.. I saw that you missed me, but couldn’t upvote or respond..I was on my daughter’s computer and didn’t have my disq password..

          So sweet of you..xox love me..

      • Juicer77

        We have a house full too. Good times! Xoxo

        • Baby

          ha.. yes.. Juice : D

          I am whipped..and my company just walked in the door earlier than expected.. xo so will spend time with them.. love you guys..xo

    • Vaquera

      Ack! Envious, but glad you were there and thank you for sharing with us

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I sat right in back of them.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      It was so wonderful to meet them both! And Spanky and I have a mutual friend she hasn’t seen in years so I can put them back in touch by email.

  • PickAnotherID

    Bummer…Apparently ‘US Magazine’ doesn’t allow links in their comments. I posted a couple over their in response to the article, and an “elle” comment, with links to the Duggin & Co story and Leah’s SP cake. But they got zapped. Oh, well.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    Jamie de Wolfe

    • Baby

      Hey Free give all my buddies a hug from baby.. Jamie is one cool dude, eh?

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        “That DeWolf is one bad mutha–”
        “Shut yo’ mouth!”
        “Just talkin’ ’bout DeWolf!”

  • Juicer77

    While those of us unfortunate enough to miss tonight’s show wait for reviews… I wonder who the next big Co$ defector will be? There have been whispers of another surfacing soon.

    • CO$CUZ

      Tony hinted the Ron Miscavige Sr. may be telling his story in detail soon….so we will have that to look forward to 🙂

  • having a minor argument on TMZ re the latest Casey Kasem story… it’s good news but some of the comments annoyed me

    http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/22/casey-kasems-wife-will-not-be-prosecuted-elder-abuse-jean/#comment-2040742350

    pic

    • Jeez, just when I was thinking of throwing a tarp over that side-project, they pull me back in.

      Timeline showing that the claimed five day roadtrip story has serious credibility problems.

      Category:Casey Kasem

    • Eclipse-girl

      I tried.
      I just couldn’t get past the first 20 or 30 comments.

    • beauty for ashes

      Dammit Lush, you got me to go to TMZ?! I wouldn’t waste your time trying to reason with most of those people.

      • I more often than not regard it as an exercise in schooling the mods – especially with background info they’re probably not aware of

  • EnthralledObserver

    Right up a Sea Org member’s alley…?

    • Ella Raitch

      What the…..?!

      Just after you posted the pic of the vegemite chocolate my daughter texted me that she’d tried it – agreed with the ‘salted caramel’ comparison

    • Mockingbird

      Just cruel , these slaves starve…

  • Robert Hammond

    Tony, Paulette, and me in SF

    • Great photo, Robert!

    • Ella Raitch

      Lookin’ good Robert

    • Eclipse-girl

      you totally photo bombed them 😉
      Please give us a write up

    • Vaquera

      This makes me happy!

    • aquaclara

      Great photo, Robert! Thank you for the updates and pic. It sounds like you had a terrific time.

    • Baby

      Robert.. Wow ! That is a fabulous picture.. You are so handsome.. and of course so is Tony and the Unbreakable Miss Lovely.. Thank you for sharing..( OK jealous) Hopefully I can show up in Florida..

      • Robert Hammond

        Thanks Baby. This was quite an unforgettable night. Glad I could share a few photos. The crazier parts of the event may be made available on video at some point, but they did not allow us to photograph all the strippers and live sex shows. Not sure why. 😉

        • Baby

          hahah Oh Robert!

  • Bryce Byerley

    Phenomenal talk tonight in SF! Had to leave at the break to catch up on work projects, but we’ll worth the time it took to play hookey and see Tony and Paulette.

  • It looks like someone tagged the inside of the Toronto org. I wonder if they have squatters?
    ..

    • Robert Ramsay

      No I just think it’s Andy Hill getting creative 🙂

      • No. I’ve seen Andy Hill trying to be creative, and it’s not that pretty.

        • Robert Ramsay

          He still owes a buddy of mine some money. Perhaps he can ask Dave for an advance.

    • Brothel time?

    • beauty for ashes

      looks like the hobo code sign that a person with bad intention s lives here. pretty smart hobos.

    • edge

      If you zoom in, the message on the sign says the ‘temporary location’ is 77 Peter Street. It’s pictured below in a screencap off Google Maps. You can make out the Scientology sign in the front. A couple of windows are papered over, and in the one window that you can see inside of, there seems to be a ladder leaning against the window and shelving with boxes of stuff (Basics?) The blue sign is for Colliers, which is a commercial real estate firm, meaning that even in that small building there could be space available (perhaps Scn is sub-leasing some of its space to help pay the bills?). Fun fact: This Peter Street location is just half a block down from a Shoppers Drug Mart. Oh Big Pharma.

      • Their temporary location is the 3rd floor of 77 Peter.

  • Susan_Qbird_Poche

    While we wait for more reports from S.F. ~ a silent movie.
    https://youtu.be/yVLzCf0kWzI

  • some of you might remember that Adidas actually has a clause in their sponsorship contracts that they don’t accept scientologists …. here’s their new campaign [which is kind of fitting] and is crying out for a simple shoop….

    pic

    • … oops, here’s the full thing

      pic

  • Zer0

    Happy B-day, Wise Beard Man!

    You were the first video I watched when the chanology “You Found the Card” campaign sparked my interest. I literally found the card on my stoop, and then found your vids. And subsequently became addicted to Tony’s reporting.

    Thanks for bringing this cult to my attention, Mark!

    • Eclipse-girl

      Happy Birthday Mark Bunker
      Many, many happy returns of the day.

  • Supper Powers

    Has the church ever explained Hubbard’s interesting take on chemistry in the Xenu story? He says alcohol and glycol were used to paralyze people and then they were stuck in a fridge where they were frozen. A fridge doesn’t freeze, that’s why it’s not called a freezer. Alcohol is pretty tough to freeze and glycol is anti-freeze. Now, I failed chemistry, but I did OK in logic, so huh? Is there any place this is further explained? Or heckled?

    • Robert Eckert

      Apparently he heard that alcohol and glycol make an antifreeze and got it exactly backwards in his head, and nobody ever dared to correct him. It belongs in a category with the ga-LAX-y pronunciation and the “Crap Nebula”.

      • Supper Powers

        Sounds very scientologyific. Thanks.

        • Robert Eckert

          There was one lecture where he said “I notice everyone thinks Venus has a methane and ammonia atmosphere…” (on his way to describing the Venusian freight train) when that’s Jupiter and Saturn (nobody ever thought Venus had a methane/ammonia atmosphere), and another where he talks about some planet getting hit with “Magellanic clouds of radiation” (that’s so wrong I don’t even know where to start).

          • Supper Powers

            I earned a D in astronomy. None the less, most everything is based on alchemy, fantasy and make believe similar to what that of a lonely 12 year old boy would concoct. Not surprised to hear this. Where was this written?

            • Robert Eckert

              I don’t know that I could find a written text of either, but the Venus bit is quite famous, I think I first heard it in this video (start 2:15 for Venus, or from the beginning for the full effect):

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGKPE5r4iL8

          • Mockingbird

            He plagiarized a lot – maybe everything in Dianetics and Scientology- and he always changed things .So some changes are easy to see when they render claims false .

          • PickAnotherID

            Now, now, don’t go getting us all confused with facts when ‘Source’ told us, “What’s true for you is true.” If it was true for ‘Source’ there are freight trains on Venus, then it must be true. /sarcasm

      • Mockingbird

        He was full of enough crap to fill a nebula .

        • Graham

          And too much of what he wrote was nebulous.

          • Mockingbird

            Heh,that was intentional as a rhetorical technique within his pathological lying. He loved instilling confusion via ambiguity, information overload and contradiction.

      • richelieu jr

        Ahem, not tobe pednatic, butt hat is ‘Guh-LAX-ee’, @roberteckert:disqus

  • flyonthewall

    Would it be wrong to put an enemy of yours’ name/address on a sci mailing list as revenge? My friend wants to know

    • romanesco

      Only for environmental reasons.

      • flyonthewall

        this answer pleases my friend

    • ReallyMGM

      It wouldn’t be the first time its been done! LOL

    • Eclipse-girl

      yes, it would be bad.

      You wouldn’t wish that on your worst enemy. ( quickly ducks)

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I did it to an asshole who was waiting for his partner to die of AIDS, to steal his property! They were so accustom to getting people being asked to be taken off the list the Org was perplexed. But it worked! I hate waiting the trees though.

  • beauty for ashes

    Finished!!!!! Gots chills at the end. Now I have a super migraine and light is appearing brighter out of one eye, and my neck hurts . You serious book readers know, sometimes that’s the price we pay.
    Final thoughts , I hope no one in the bunker is gonna test me on this! The weird things is this is not all that Tony knows. Holy cow. I see why everyone says they want to read it again, its not to suck up to Tony. No ~this an entire semester class reading. I might have to make an outline AND some charts. And definitely a perp board.;)
    Noo clay demos, although how enchanting was the idea of Paulette on the cruise with her suitcase hidden in a piano! I look forward to picking up more of the whole picture the second time around.

    • flyonthewall

      my 1 complaint, no index! Lots of characters to keep up w/and an index would be very helpful. I think this book could be a canonical txt like Piece of Blue Sky. The details on Snow White are amazing and like nothing I have read before. Not done w/it yet though, in like 225pgs

      • beauty for ashes

        Yeah it gets denser. (oi vey) I mean not all of us are as smart as you MR. Ortega!
        Just kidding, anyway we all know that or we’d be writing our own blogs, editing a news site, and writing our book.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I think I need another copy to highlight and mark up.

        • beauty for ashes

          R!???R!???
          Eta~ I know right? IKR? thank you disqus you evil bastard.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Crap, i could have gotten you a signed one by Paulette & Tony. They are already running out of book on their tour.

          • Eclipse-girl

            That is OK.
            I am glad you got one signed by Paulette, too.

  • flyonthewall

    good night and good luck bunkerinos

    • beauty for ashes

      Gnight Flyboyz!

  • Vaquera

    Just now poking my head into the Bunker for a look-see. Are we still waiting on edge for first person reviews of “The Holy Sh*t Show” yet tonight? I am a-buzz with jealous anticipation.

    • beauty for ashes

      no word, just us all in the jelly booth.

    • romanesco

      Yep, still about 30 minutes left. Hopefully Robert Hammond will regale us with some feedback.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        They aren’t all going to be home until the wee hours of the morning. An after part comes after , The shit show.

        • romanesco

          Where? I’m in the general neighborhood.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Same place the reading was.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Near the new Walgreens on Cease Chavez. Walk twoards the freeway on the other side of the street.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Three blocks down

          • Todd Tomorrow

            You’ll hear it and see people milling about outside. BYOB.

  • brendon

    Late in the day, this comment will probably never be seen but it is relevant to this thread. Here is an old parody of a Scientology waiver from ars circa 2003….

    After reading all about the Church’s Introspection Rundown waiver, and
    based on my awareness of COS practices, I started thinking about how
    it could have been broader and better. Although I skipped a lot of
    the legal mumbo jumbo I came up with the following document. (The
    Church is welcome to add legal stuff to my proposed draft, which they
    may use at no charge.)

    This is a statement of my freely-held beliefs, understandings, and
    commitments regarding the policies and practices within the Church of
    Scientology (“Church”) and the work of L. Ron Hubbard (“LRH”).

    I understand that I am going to be receiving services that are derived
    from the research of LRH but that said research is not research within
    the commonly accepted scientific meaning of the term. Nonetheless, I
    accept and agree that the Church does and may refer to much of this
    anecdotal and fabricated information as a science. Even though it may
    be called a science, or be described as a science, if called upon to
    testify I will swear it is a religion.

    Similarly, I understand the concepts of “history” and “biography” are
    not used within the commonly accepted use of the terms when it comes
    to the history of the Church and biography of LRH as may be provided
    by the Church.

    I accept that it is the highest of crimes to alter the work of LRH.
    Furthermore, I accept that much of this work has been altered and that
    nobody can and should be held accountable for such changes. Anyone
    who points out these two circumstances as being inconsistent should be
    reported to the Church and I agree to do so and to immediately sign up
    and pay for the appropriate service if that inconsistency bothers me.

    The Church has instructed me that “thinking for myself” is a paramount
    goal of receiving services and I accept this unquestioningly. In
    addition, I welcome additional resources (such as internet filtering
    devices) that will prevent me from being exposed to information that
    may cause me to start thinking for myself in ways that the Church
    deems harmful to my spiritual progress. The Church may provide such
    resources without telling me they provided them.

    Any expression of my desire to leave the Church should be accepted as
    conclusive evidence I wish to stay, and I authorize the Church to do
    whatever necessary to keep me in the Church provided that either a) I
    have financial resources to acquire further spiritual progress, and/or
    b) I am able to provide labor to help others obtain spiritual
    progress.

    My spiritual progress is the most important thing. By “most” I mean
    it is more important than my family, friends, health, and financial
    solvency. It is not, however, more important than the Church’s
    survival. I hereby authorize the Church to state this as my opinion
    even if I am for some reason incapable or unwilling to say so.

    I understand that attending Sunday services is optional and irrelevant
    to my spiritual progress. I understand that taking services in the
    form of courses and finding the resources to pay for my services are
    critical to my spiritual progress. Like LRH, my spiritual progress
    may require dropping my body and I hold the Church harmless for any
    role they or their services have in requiring, making, or allowing
    this to happen.

    I understand that Scientology works 100% of the time if standardly
    applied. I accept that everything that goes well in my life is
    incontrovertible proof of the truth of this. Furthermore, it is clear
    to me that any negative results obtained are the result of my failure
    to apply the philosophy standardly or are evidence of my overts and
    withholds, requiring further courses and corrections on my part and I
    pledge to find the resources to pay for said courses in any way
    possible, as soon as possible. If the Church identifies problems in
    course materials, or determines there are better ways to offer
    existing services, I understand their motivation is to make things
    even more standard and to make them work even better than their
    historic 100% success rate. Therefore I also understand the necessity
    of paying for these improved services even if I previously paid for
    earlier versions of the same services.

    I understand that funds deposited for services that remain unused are
    totally refundable so I waive my right to seek such refunds.

    I understand that the Church does not promise to cure diseases except
    those that are psycho-somatic and that all diseases are psycho-somatic
    except those that are not cured by Church services.

    I understand I am not supposed to say or write the word “x—” or ever
    tell anyone about “x—“. If someone asks me about “x—” I will say
    “I don’t know what you are talking about” even if I do know what they
    are talking about, though I understand that it will be more likely I
    won’t know what they are talking about. As of the date of this
    document, I do not know what word “x—” is. If someone in the future
    tells me about “x—” and I am in any way capable of figuring out that
    the word they are telling me is the same word as the one being
    referred to in this paragraph, I promise to tell the Church who told
    me, though I will be careful to not to actually say “x—” when I tell
    them. Furthermore, I swear that nothing I’ve read in this paragraph
    has helped me understand what actual word “x—” is and I promise to
    hold the Church harmless for any damage caused to me in the off chance
    I someday figure out what “x—” is before having donated appropriate
    monies to learn all about “x—“. The same applies after I learn what
    “x—” is if I haven’t figured it out previously. Finally, I promise
    never to type the word “x—“, especially if it is part of a URL.

    Because open communication lines are critical to “Keeping Scientology
    Working,” I promise not to install any telecommunication devices
    (answering machines, caller ID, etc.) that will hinder the free flow
    of information between me and the Church regarding Church events and
    offerings that will benefit my and mankind’s spiritual progress.

    I will never forget that I am becoming free thanks to the Church and
    LRH and that not signing this statement keeps me in the biggest trap
    of all, even if I may not ever be exactly clear what that trap is
    except to say “it’s the biggest trap of all!”

    This waiver applies to this and every lifetime I’ve had or will have.

    __________________________________ ___________
    signed date

    • Graham

      Brilliant. Both totally ludicrous and totally true all at the same time.

    • aquaclara

      I love this. Thanks for the great find. And the reference to xenu.net is ever so perfect.

  • Vaquera

    A couple of Tony/Paulette Instagrams from the past hour or so….

    https://instagram.com/p/3AquoSKvAP/
    https://instagram.com/p/3ApSiOKY6f/

    • Vaquera

      Random Instagram from outside the CC:
      https://instagram.com/p/3AUM5AGrmo/

    • romanesco

      Looks like the most fun they’ve had on the whole tour so far.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        It truly was a fun time! Book signing and performance art!

  • Vaquera

    A little taste for those of us not lucky enough to be in San Fran tonight…..

    Holy Shit Show: Ladies of the Sea Org 2015
    https://instagram.com/p/3ApbTpHIgD/

    The Commodore’s Messengers
    https://instagram.com/p/3AoLmul95N/

    Selfie with L Ron Hubbard
    https://instagram.com/p/3AkyV9HIkn/

    L. Ron Hubbard
    https://instagram.com/p/3AjuxxHIil/

    • Vaquera

      That’s it for my evening Bunker drive by. Tucking in now. Sweet dreams to all.

      • Sleep tight.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          You should have flow over Dodo.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      It was so fucking fun! Just got home.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Me too and I am exhausted!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Lots of naked girls.

    • Robert Hammond

      Oooh. Nice backstage pics.

  • 0tessa

    Scientology: sign here and we will take care of you.

    • Newiga

      small print: and your wallet.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Paulette and her husband are classy, wonderful people. We introduced ourselves and they knew both my companion’s name and mine hours later. Tony was in a great mood and it shown through the entire night. Got to meet Jamie Dewolf’s ,mom and she was also very nice. She had beautiful red hair but not a clam vibe to be felt or seen. Just a normal mum you could tell loved her son. The performance art went on for hours and had all of us in stitches. I’ll pit up more pix tomorrow but it was a great evening! Thanks to my good friend who took care of getting us great tickets. We got of course to see, Torry who seems to look more beautiful every time I see her. Spanky, was so sweet and so was her beautiful daughter! I’m falling asleep but the after party is going onto the wee hours of the am.

    • Newiga

      Green with envy!!! Glad to hear you had fun! 🙂

    • Thanks, Todd! Waiting for pix.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I have to figure out what ones turned out best!

  • El_Jeffe

    Outstanding interview on Media Mayhem! I just received my copy of The Unbreakable Miss Lovely and I cannot put it down. It was difficult to put the book down to come to this blog but I always make the Bunker a daily stop no matter what I am doing. I am in complete shock and awe of Paulette and what she went through. Kudos to you Tony for putting this story out there for all to see.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      “I told her she’d always be my hero” I gave her a peck on the cheek and she smiled and grasped my hand.

  • Robert Hammond

    A final warning before the show.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      ?…

      • Robert Hammond

        refresh for photo.

    • SP Wogsy

      Ooooooooh…exciting!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        You should have flown up!

        • SP Wogsy

          You mean driven. I know – I’m regretting it now. I can’t wait to see your pics. Sounds like you had fun!!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I just met you 2 hours ago. Nice to meet yah..

    • Robert Hammond

      Good times were had by all. They were making sure no OSA agents were in the audience. I’m guessing if there were, the show shattered their belief systems.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Me too. It was great to meet you Robert!!

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+** RED X ** +–+ RED X *** Saturday, 23 May 2015
    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,

    I am absolutely disheartened 🙂 by the lack of results from the complaints.
    The flagging is in the doldrums, Boston is still mocking us with 44 “overcoming financial stress”!

    RedX tips (including how to complaint to CL) : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2533632
    Flag co$ lies : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… Grinds my Gears by Jimmy Threetimes, flickred by Aeger
    Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14108201317/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Clearly, Boston Org is trying to deal with its own financial stress. Flagged.

    • CL just blocked my IP. First time for me.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        I am gonna take you out and buy you a beer to celebrate.

        • Thanks 🙂 You would think CL go – Thanks Dude for helping us getting rid of spam instead though. Some kind of algorithm, I guess. May be I was doing it too fast.

    • MrsLurksALot

      We need a call to arms to flag JJ away. I’ve complained, but I am far from local. Does anyone have any Boston connections, someone who would be amenable to complaining? I’m wracking my brain over here (used Boston accent in my head when I typed that last line.)

      • SarahDB

        I am local to Boston and have been sending email complaints as well as flagging posts every day. Doing my best!

        • MrsLurksALot

          Thank you!!!! You rock!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Life’s a bit challenging atm, and looks like I’ll be busy the rest of the year dealing with it all. So don’t have time to wade through thousand comments, but wondering if anyone heard from Sherb since surgery? Tks

    Look forward to Tony’s report on last night.

    • She is recovering fine, last time I heard.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Thanks. Happy news.

        • Welcome. You guys will be okay?

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            We survived scientology, so were tough sob’s 😉

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      <3

      You have my email address. Don't hesitate to use it if you need it. Or if you just want to giggle about silly stuff. 🙂 XOXOX

      • Hey, drop me a line too, Nola. Nothing special, just to have an alternative channel of saying Hi.

  • Bruce

    Oh my goodness…what “religion” has its followers sign encumbering contracts like this? That ought to be a big red warning flag to any clear-thinking person that something is shady or shifty.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    all the Xenu story does is EXPLAIN why Scientologists need to do SO MUCH exorcism starting at OT 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7.

    People who don’t know the Bridge to Total Freedom, people who don’t remember that Dianetics is about engrams, and then people realize that OT 3 you learn the details (meaning Xenu is the bad guy) of the 4th Dynamic Engram.

    The biggest baddest engram for all people on earth’s minds, is the Xenu engram, the 4th Dynamic engram.

    The 4th Dynamic Engram caused the “body thetan” (surplus souls all floating around in clusters STILL this very moment) and those surplus souls get exorcised.

    Scientology’s OT levels 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are the Scientology Exorcism levels!

    Xenu explains what ALL Scientologists cannot even own up to and even describe, in simple summary form, just how MUCH of their top levels of their Bridge to Total Freedom all are even DONE by themselves, because of the Xenu engram.

    Xenu is explanatory, it ties it all right back theoretically to the Dianetics engram crank pseudo-therapy.

    Day one, read Dianetics book and realize you are messed up by your engrams.

    Day 10,000, you learn about the Xenu engram, the 4th Dynamic Engram (even the Sea Org today exists JUST to staff the staffs of the exorcism churches—Advanced Org Los Angeles, Advanced Org Europe, Advanced Org UK, Advanced Org ANZO, etc, and Flag Clearwater whole shebang church) the exorcism is done because of Xenu’s engram!)

    To tell Scientologists this, is to inform the newbies of what their whole fake religion is even doing.

    today the public knows more about Scientology, but to really understand this increased understanding about the Xenu story, is to just let this overbalanced knowledge of the outside world, filter BACK into the movement, and hopefully get Scientologists who cannot talk about the Xenu engram, to today get over this whole nutty Hubbard confidentiality thing, and also if the population knows the Xenu engram, then this whole fear thing naturally will dissipate.

    Xenu caused the Wall of Fire.

    That sentence might NOT be significant to outsiders, but it ties together Xenu, who most Scientologists don’t know what Xenu did, it ties it to something Scientologists do know about, the Wall of Fire.

    The Wall of Fire is the fire storm that ensued when the volcanoes were blown up on earth, and Scientologists don’t know that Xenu is the bad guy who caused this, that’s all.

    It would come as a ridiculous anti-climax relief for Scientologists to have the Xenu story simply and neutrally explained to them.

    They’d go, “What’s the big deal. Why didn’t Scientology let us know about the Xenu engram? Why is Scientology all confidential about the fact that Xenu caused the Wall of Fire. Why is Scientology so confidential about the exorcism of “body thetans” that OT levels 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 consist entirely of?”

    Scientology’s massive amounts of exorcism of “body thetans” is done because Xenu caused the Wall of Fire and the Wall of Fire is just part of the bigger 4th Dynamic Engram.

    It’s a relieving important summarizing engram incident that explains WHY so much exorcism goes on in Scientology.

    People stumble on understanding this.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    When the cops wouldn’t answer if other officials were with Shelly, up at CST, all members know just how high Shelly is/was, and Shelly’s status doesn’t go away in the minds of the CST staffers (Sarah Bellin, Jane McNairn, Tom Vorm, et al up at CST).

    The CST staffers will ALWAYS defer to Shelly, even if Miscavige verbally orders CST staffers to think lowly of Shelly.

    In history, the fact that Shelly has been privy to ALL of Hubbard’s final top writings and info, Shelly inherently has status that NO amount of Misavige’s ill will orders about her cannot squash.

    In my mind, even when big cheezes in Sea Org history were demoted, even by Hubbard, like when Gerry or Hana were demoted and RPFed at Flag, and Gerry and his then wife Terri, both on the RPF, that did NOT cause me to think lowly and I never all the time I was a Sea Org newbie did I ever consider myself superior or that I had any kind of superiority.

    Once a person has risen up to status that Shelly had, and even when she comes to CST, the elite in the know and even MORE security compartmented, because CST site HAS all the secret secret original manuscripts of Hubbard’s the “originals”, Shelly will always be in the know of the highest of high secrets there.

    Shelly’s got so many secrets in her mind, she dwarfs ALL other individuals alive, besides Miscavige, for details (maybe some of the external out of the country finance people who do the overseas banking details, like Maureen Brigatti or of Maureen’s class of status might know sensitive money accounts info over Shelly), but of almost everything, Shelly is the primiere future defector I’m hoping defects and goes to the Feds or talks someday, as unlikely as that seems.

  • Eamonn

    Who in their right mind would sign a bunch of legally binding contracts to join a “church”?