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Can you help French prosecutors find these witnesses to the death of a Scientologist?

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Our man in Paris, journalist Jonny Jacobsen, has a fascinating piece for us today. We’ll let him explain…

A judge investigating the 2006 suicide of a Scientologist in France may finally close the case because police have not been able to track down key witnesses. Officers have been looking into the death of 47-year-old Gloria Lopez (pictured), who in December 2006 stepped in front of a speeding train at Colombes station just outside Paris.

But they have been unable to find three Scientologists the judge considers key to the affair, all of whom had dealings with Lopez in the months leading up to her death. Scientology executives in France have insisted they have no idea where they are.

Gloria Lopez had been involved with Scientology since the mid-1990s. During that time her family estimates she spent around 250,000 euros on the movement. Her two children say she was depressed in the months leading up to her death and they blame that on her involvement in Scientology. The family’s lawyer, Maître Rodolphe Bosselut, dates her final crisis to a visit to Scientology’s Copenhagen centre that she made in July 2006.

“Strangely, she did not return on the appointed day,” he said. “When she did return, several days later, she said that Scientology had asked her to stay and she had not felt she could leave.”

Her work colleagues said they noticed a dramatic change in her mood after she came back from Copenhagen. “She was much more withdrawn,” said one co-worker, who asked not to be named. “She hardly spoke at all…She seemed sad, withdrawn, preoccupied.”

Documents her family found at her apartment after her death included a billion-year contract for the Sea Organization, Scientology’s corps for its most dedicated, full-time members. She had signed the document during her July visit to Copenhagen. Other papers show she was expected to return to Copenhagen for further training and then travel on to Clearwater, in Florida. Yet she never told her family about her Sea Org membership or her plans to travel to the United States.

Gloria Lopez committed suicide on December 21, 2006: she had been due to start in the Sea Org in January 2007.

Lopez’s family has filed a complaint against persons unknown alleging abuse of weakness, organized fraud, and failure to help a person in danger. Scientology officials have repeatedly insisted that her death had nothing to do with them, and a Paris spokesman refused any further comment for this article.

In 2011, prosecutors abandoned the case after several years of investigation, arguing that there was not enough evidence to build a case. After the family filed a second formal complaint, an investigating judge was appointed to take another look. Like the prosecutor, he has the power to take the matter to court if he thinks there is a case to answer.

But now Maître Bosselut has sounded the alarm. He fears the judge is about to close his investigation, at least in part because police cannot locate the key persons of interest to interview them. The judge’s decision is expected in the next few weeks.

 
Persons of interest

These are the three Scientologists investigators want to interview:

Juliette_WagnerJuliette Wagner-Quercia, who introduced Lopez to Scientology and who, according to family and friends, was a strong influence on her during her first years inside the movement. She was working at Scientology’s Copenhagen base in 2006 and was Lopez’s point of contact there;

— Elisabeth Haley, Lopez’s auditor at Copenhagen. Haley wrote twice to Lopez in the months that followed, trying to get her to return for further auditing. The contents of her letters make it clear she knew that Lopez was in difficulty;

DanielleAmbertDanielle Ambert: a high-level Scientologist (OT VIII and a former mission holder in France), she acted as Lopez’s financial adviser at a time when she came into a substantial sum of money – most of which she subsequently spent on Scientology.

After Scientology officials in France said they did not know where the three women were, police wrote to Scientology centers in both Copenhagen and the United States in a fruitless bid to trace them.

Gloria Lopez’s behavior changed drastically on her return from Copenhagen in July, said Maître Bosselut. “She stopped taking courses and she became more withdrawn at work,” he explained. During the same period, letters were arriving from Copenhagen urging her to return. But as Gloria Lopez sank into depression, the Scientologists around her failed to give her the help she needed, he added.

Lopez’s son, Gwenn Le Berre said that when police searched Scientology premises in 2009 looking for documents relating to the case, all they found was an empty dossier with Gloria Lopez’s name on it. And when officers interviewed Scientologists about his mother, none of them seemed to know her well, even though she had been a regular at the Celebrity Center for years.

“Nobody knew her, even those who wrote her letters with ‘kisses, lots of love’,” he said. “Even those people continue to say that they didn’t know her. It’s completely bizarre.”

Among the papers that Lopez’s children found at her home after her death were writings in her own hand from the final months of her life. In them, she expressed her distress at the financial difficulties she was experiencing, as well as a sense of failure — the antithesis of what Scientology promises its followers.

 
The financial advisor

These writings also revealed the role that Danielle Ambert played in advising Lopez on her financial affairs, said Maître Bosselut. Lopez had inherited a property in Spain, which she had told her family she would sell so as to buy an apartment just outside Paris. The handwritten documents found at her apartment make it clear however that instead of buying the French apartment she spent the money on Scientology courses.

“Ambert advised Mme Lopez that no bank would lend to her for Scientology courses but that she would be able to get a loan to buy an apartment,” Me Bosselut explained.

So despite having received a large sum of money from the sale of the property in Spain — more than 200,000 euros — she ended up having to borrow to buy an apartment near Paris. Ambert’s business card, which Lopez’s family found at her apartment after her death, describes her as a “counsellor in independent investment.”

Lopez’s handwritten notes show that she had paid in advance for most of Scientology’s advanced Operating Thetan (OT) levels. “A first part of the money allowed me to get to Clear,” she wrote. The state of Clear is the position halfway up Scientology’s scale of courses. Attaining it opens up the route to the more advanced — and far more expensive — Operating Thetan (OT) levels. Paying for levels I to VII effectively meant she was paying for courses years in advance.

Ten days later she attended a seminar on a push to get 10,000 OT VIIs. “The next day I paid the levels up to OT VII,” she wrote.

In the original 2009 Paris court judgment convicting two Scientology organizations of organized fraud, the court noted that Scientology’s practice of hard sell meant that members were pressured into paying for training years in advance and thus driven into debt. The 2013 Cour de Cassation ruling that rendered those convictions definitive also specifically mentioned Scientology’s hard-sell policies and referred to how Scientology’s victims were:

…quickly led to commit to several years of courses, auditing sessions, purification cures forming part of the Scientology doctrine, for the financing of which they spent all their savings, got themselves into debt and in the end found themselves in a particularly difficult situation, both materially and morally…

One former Scientologist has already explained to investigators how relentless the movement’s salesmen can be in getting people to buy more courses, said Maître Bosselut. And despite the vast sums Lopez had spent on courses, the papers found at her apartment also show that Scientology was telling her she owed them money.

 
“Oppressive and aggressive”

Lopez’s growing desperation is evident from the writings she left behind, said the lawyer. She wrote:

For the moment I am losing money instead of earning for the Bridge [her courses] (I have to get the money together to pay the expenses for when I will be in Denmark and the United States for the OT levels.) … Despite everything I have understood, I am not getting better, at work I am making mistakes.

The police unit that investigated Gloria Lopez’s death was the Office for the Repression Violence against Persons (ORCVP). Their report, submitted to the prosecutor’s office concluded:

…[I]n 2000 Gloria Lopez broke with her family and friends, lost custody of her children, sold her house and left her job with the sole aim of moving closer to the Paris Celebrity Center. She invested all her money, which was in fact a substantial amount, in Scientology and got into debt to pay for her expenses and an apartment… .

The report also described Scientology’s operating method as “commercial, very organized, oppressive and aggressive,” designed to ensure maximum profits for its directors. Despite this report, the prosecutors office at Nanterre, just outside Paris, decided in June 2011 to drop the case, arguing there was not enough evidence to show that Gloria Lopez had been subjected to undue influence.

For Maître Bosselut, that decision betrays a complete lack of understanding of how Scientology operates; and it ignores crucial evidence in the documents written by Mme Lopez herself in the final months of her life. Now however, it looks as if the investigating magistrate, Jean-Michel Bergès, might follow suit. Maître Bosselut argues that the failure of Scientology officials in France and abroad to provide any leads that would help investigators to find these three women is evidence of their bad faith.

“For an organization as centralized as Scientology — as obsessed with documenting everything about its members — it is simply not credible that it can offer no useful information in this affair,” he said. Scientology officials had failed to turn over Mme Lopez’s files or even to say who her auditors had been, he added.

Gloria Lopez’s son, Gwenn le Berre, says he is determined to keep fighting to find out more about what drove his mother to kill herself.

“I would certainly like to have at least some answers from a few people named in the file, and if we could go after Scientology as an organization then that would be really great.” Because as important as the three missing witnesses are, this is not just about individuals, he insists. “Clearly, it’s the organization, because in this organization there are people who are just bad to the core, who do bad things, who ought to be convicted; and there are others who are the victims and who are in a way used by these people…

“[T]here are people who know. There are people who are paid to organize this fraud. And there are those who profit, clearly.”

— Jonny Jacobsen

 
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Bodhi Elfman strikes back!

Bodhi Elfman, an actor in Scientology married to fellow celebrity Scientologist Jenna Elfman, reacted to Alex Gibney’s HBO documentary Going Clear with a couple of tweets lashing out at the film.

 
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Bodhi’s father, Scientologist Richard Elfman, founded the Mystic Knights of the Oingo Boingo, which at first was used as a recruiting troupe for Scientology, Spanky Taylor told us recently. (Later, Rick handed over the band to his younger brother, Danny Elfman, who was not a Scientologist.)

Bodhi and Jenna are known for defending Scientology in rather strident terms.

 
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Scientologist on Freewinds cruise dies in Bonaire after swimming

Local media in the Caribbean island of Bonaire are reporting that on Sunday, Scientologist William Robert Purvis, 67, who was a passenger on the church’s private cruise ship, the Freewinds, became ill after swimming, and died.

According to online records, Purvis was a longtime and experienced Scientologist, but we don’t know much about him. If you know something about Bill, please let us know.

Scientologists are constantly pressured to buy cruise packages on the Freewinds for seminars and courses. While the ship is the only place where a Scientologist can receive the highest level of spiritual training, Operating Thetan Level 8, the lack of OT 8 business has resulted in the ship holding many other seminars and conferences to keep it filled.

The ship often travels between Bonaire, Aruba, and Curacao, but also makes stops in Venezuala.

 
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David Miscavige and Tom Cruise get the Funny or Die treatment

Ok, this is pretty damn good…

 

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Marisol Nichols posted a couple of items. Wonder what she’s referring to?

 
Marisol1Marisol2

 
Actual caption, and we’re not judging in any way: “Starlight cabin. #Freewinds Plus size model show”

 
Freewinds

 
Looks like Going Clear’s demos skewed young…

 
GCBaby

 
Scientologists are using social media more than ever. Drop us a line if you spot them posting images to Instagram or Facebook!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 31, 2015 at 07:00

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  • https://jennyatlax.wordpress.com/ JennyAtLAX

    Re: “Starlight cabin. #Freewinds Plus size model…”

    … Mike Ellis, Scientology International Justice Chief.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Mom jeans simply don’t work for ANY body type.

      • generic sock

        Well, shit. I’m going back to JC Penny first thing tomorrow. I knew they didn’t fit right.

      • Observer

        Has anyone told Danny Masterson?

        • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

          Zing!

    • Larissa Pearson

      I don’t think fat jokes have any place here. Hahaha, he’s fat we can point and laugh. Boy aren’t YOU the better person. I think that is why Tony specifically mentioned he was making no judgement about a model show billed for plus size models. As someone who suffered from morbid obesity most of my life, I’m personally offended. Oh wait, gonna make fun of me too?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I am fat too. So are a shitpot of americans. Relax a bit. Nobody is making fun of him for that alone.
        Do you know the whole back story of why he could not come to Florida for the Deposition, etc?

        There are very few people on this site (including JennyAtLAX) who would fat shame anyone. Hell, we even ‘try’ not to do that to Kirstie…(sometimes we fail cuz she pulled it in with her Organic Liason stuff).
        Anyhow…we aren’t always a hundred percent PC….but nobody here means harm.
        And welcome to the Bunker.

        • https://jennyatlax.wordpress.com/ JennyAtLAX

          JennyAtLAX will stop at $%#&^(@# nothing to get her point across! Thanks, BTN.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            You are welcome …you crazy eyed lunatic inch wife.

            Edit: But just so you know……………I think you were being really RUDE!!!! 😉

            • https://jennyatlax.wordpress.com/ JennyAtLAX

              Re: “… you crazy eyed lunatic inch wife.”

              “I think you’re being quite rude and quite insulting!”

              http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/02/acd.01.html

            • Rasha

              Every time I see this pic, I think of the Dramatic Gopher….

      • $cnMonkeyNut$
        • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!
          • https://jennyatlax.wordpress.com/ JennyAtLAX

            OW!

        • Larissa Pearson

          Thanks. I feel a bit better knowing that pic is shopped, and we’re not specifically using some poor innocent guy. But I really think fat shaming is the last acceptable bigotry in this world.

          • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

            We really do try — but you will see it here now and then. Especially when it comes to Kirstie Alley. That is real talk.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I do understand and hope you do too.
            And I meant it completely. Welcome.
            Just don’t go near my snacks….I bite…………ask anyone here 😉

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            It’s not acceptable anymore than ageism, sexism, racism or any other form of discrimination is acceptable. It’s hard to prevent fat shaming, however, when there is a trillion dollar industry that promotes it by labeling size 8 models “plus size.” End of rant.

      • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

        Hi :) Relax. We are not 100% PC here.

      • generic sock

        Almos
        choked on the sausages im eat. Hahaha

        • https://jennyatlax.wordpress.com/ JennyAtLAX

          Re: “Almos choked on the sausages im eat. Hahaha”

          “I, JennyAtLAX, declare and state as follows:

          “I have known Generic Sock for 22 ½ years. Mr./Mrs./Ms. Sock, in the years I have known him/her/it has treated me with kindness, compassion and understanding that knows no bounds. I have spent more time with Mr./Mrs./Ms. Sock and his/her/its direct assistants over the years, than any other executive in the Church.

          “Mr./Mrs./Ms. Sock granted me the care and importance on my job and I knew then that this was an executive like no other.

          “Mr./Mrs./Ms. Sock was interested in every detail and proud of the accomplishment of the staff and let us know.”

          “I declare that the foregoing is true and correct.”

          JennyAtLAX

          http://f.edgesuite.net/data/lwda/files/App11-Jenny-Linson.pdf

          • generic sock

            I stopped reading after sausages but i trust and endorse this statement as truth.

      • sugarplumfairy

        If you understood the nuances of the joke, you’d understand it’s less a fat joke and more a Mike Ellis joke.. And trust me, Mike Ellis deserves worse.. Jenny wasn’t making fun of the poor guy in the pic..

    • Mockingbird

      That is mean to that innocent guy !!

  • outraged

    I just realized, $cientologists have no sense of humor. Even the skits are atrociously unfunny.

    But the Bunkerites, most of whom are bolted $cifiers(?), are extremely funny.

    I guess that is one more thing the cherch leeches out of people, along with their sanity and bank account.

    • kemist

      Humor is one of the first thing religious fundamentalists suppress in themselves, sometimes violently.

      Else they would become aware just how ridiculous the ideas at the center of their lives are.

  • Larissa Pearson

    I’m wondering if there are more than a few public Scientologists wondering if they should cancel HBO in solidarity…and then realize Game of Thrones Season 5 starts next week and go…nah, I’m good.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Sorry to say, I haven’t seen “Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief” yet.

    But I was contemplating the massive tsunami of public interest that is following it’s release.

    I think it will make a difference in how law enforcement agencies respond to complaints or reports of criminal acts. I think the White House petition may get some concern, with the amount of public awareness.

    Reflecting on what I experienced in the way of abuses in Scientology, in the way of crimes I witnessed (or took part in) and in the way I experienced crimes by Scientology after I left I want to leave this idea:

    All you former Scientologists, public or staff or Sea Org or OSA or Guardian’s office, you know things.
    But you may not realize how much you know. Or how important what you know could be to law enforcement or the IRS or Congress. Or lawyers. Maybe you have given up. Maybe you think it won’t have any impact, or would never be listened to. Maybe you think it is beyond all statute of limitations and doesn’t matter any more.

    I think it matters. People are listening now. They are having a severe reality adjustment because of “Going Clear.” And if the people are listening, then perhaps those we citizens elect and pay will listen too.

    So, I propose we all go ahead and file our complaints. Tell our stories. Dig up all those old things that seem insignificant and put them down on paper. Report them to the police. Send your information to the FBI, your congressman, your newspaper. Knowledge is power. The knowledge of witnesses is power in the hands of authorities.

    For instance, I don’t think the FBI or other Federal agencies have any clue as to HOW MANY people Scientology placed on their lines. Or what access they had to information. They should be told, by the people who had a hand in it.

    Step out of the lingering prison of belief. Believe in yourself. Believe that something can be done. Take advantage of this moment, where so much seems possible.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Watch it with someone you love MLT 😉

    • ComeToPresentTime

      The White House, contrary to the belief of Fox News, its adherents, and Rep. Darrell Issa, has no control over the IRS. Best course of action is to contact your local congressional representative and senators.

    • aquaclara

      Such a beautiful post, Michael. And I hope you get a chance to watch this soon. I think you’ll be deeply touched.
      It’s time, too, as you said, to take advantage of the opportunity this moment presents.

      I’m doing letters this week ( it’s taking a few days….).

      Hugs, Michael.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Thank you aquaclara. Hugs back.

        I’ll try to see it soon.

    • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

      And bring dox so we can get this phase of the life cycle of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology over and done with …

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    So why did ELFBOY wait until 3-30-15 to cancel HBO?
    Why did he not “disconnect” from that SP shit the minute he heard about this movie that he KNEW would be on HBO?

    Why the comm lag?

    DAVE, I thought you had your sheep under control?
    You mean the ELFMANS have gone rogue?
    Dude, If you can’t control those two………..you are SCREWED.

    • Vaquera

      So that first he could watch the doc on the 29th. He didn’t post until the 30th.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Yowsa!!!!

      • Rasha

        I suppose it’s worth the risk, just to watch something that doesn’t blast that damn video poker music that they play behind $ci videos…

    • Jgg2012

      Can’t he just disconnect it by using his super powers?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Yep….all none of them.

    • Mrs. V.

      They’ve been showing Tom Cruise movies too. Maybe he had to make sure he watched them first?

    • generic sock

      Jenna has parental controls set on his computer. He’s lucky on the nights he gets twitter time, but it only happens after he washes the dishes.

      • sugarplumfairy

        And does his homework..

        • Robert Eckert

          His homework consisted of clay modelling everybody in Going Clear raping babies.

  • K2P2(KnitNut)

    Catching up here after being away over night. Booked a room in a motel with HBO especially to watch the Monday 9pm airing of “Going Clear” with Mr K2P2.

    POWERFUL! I didn’t say narry a word during the whole 2 hours (I didn’t even knit!) . I was totally engrossed as was hubby. He’s not understood my daily interest (er, “obsession” ) with reading The Bunker.. I think he now gets my interest and my outrage at this “cherch’s” abuses. He didn’t know the exes from Tony or Lawrence (at first) so it was interesting to see his understanding grow as the story went on. His reaction was sadness, head shaking, about the blind loyalty. Never a fan of T C anyway- this sealed his impression. Today we touched a bit more on the self-policing by those still in, and the over-the-top events put on by DM.

    I will watch again soon as I found out that I DO have a friend who has HBO and she watched on Sunday. she wants to have a gathering of friends to watch again, because she was blown away.

    My big take away. . There needs to be a sequel – or many episodes to address the child labor, child neglect, lack of education, forced abortion, driving people into debt, to suicide, fair gaming, criminal acts, etc, etc. I can dream, can’t I?

    Thank you to Mr Gibney & Mr Wright, for pulling this together & as always, thanks to Mr Ortega for your tireless work. I can’t wait for your book to come out.

  • Wogsy Wonka

    WoW…the discussions are getting heated in here. I LOVE IT : ) This Asshole ex is going to watch a movie with her asshole never-in family and talk about asshole Scientology. You’re an asshole, I’m an asshole. We are all assholes!!!!! : )

    • Rasha

      Ain’t it great??

      • Wogsy Wonka

        Very much so : )

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Enjoy Wogsy, the Monkey’s gonna slope off to his cage too–no bombshells tonight, promise :) XoXo

      • Wogsy Wonka

        Gnite my love. Ha! I left before you this time! *takes off*

    • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

      Hey, When someone says they would’ve committed murder for the church I sit up and take notice — and I don’t think they should get offended by people referring to some henious still-ins as “assholes.” Just sayin’.

  • BosonStark

    Plus-size models on the Fleawinds — very ecclesiastical.

  • Tony Ortega

    A little fun info here at the Underground Bunker.

    Our typical traffic has been 15,000 unique visitors each day.

    On Saturday, we had 42,000 unique visitors, and on Sunday 55,000. So we more than tripled the number of folks coming by.

    Thanks for hanging out in the Bunker! Check out our archives, get into the conversation, and hang out a while.

    (Those are direct numbers, not garbage like Alexa, which is among the least reliable counters.)

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      And stay away from my chair or I will sic the cats on you.
      just sayin….

    • Rasha

      Definitely! The series are great reads, starting with “Blogging Dianetics”. There is a wealth of interesting, educational, and occasionally frightening info here – and you’re already here to comment as well!!!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        PZ Myers………..History of Man.

        Ok, everybody list their favorite post (Includes VV).

        • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

          That is my fave too followed closely by “How tall is DM?” day XD

        • generic sock

          Personally, my favorite was his chat with Russel Miller. Sometime in March 2014. The comments were on fire that day. And I mean, literally, my computer caught fire and I had to throw it outside to put it out.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Has to be Blogging Dianetics–for all the work that was put in, I mean actually reading all that drek *doffs hat*. I’m still stalled on the first chapter–it offends every sensibility (and murders the poor english language), thank you Tony and Vance for trekking through it.

        • Observer

          I’d have to say Blogging Dianetics as well. Vance’s laser wit made it–dare I say?– enjoyable.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I love Vance.

        • Robert Eckert

          Rinder in the helicopter buzzing the Super Power opening.

        • ParticleMom

          The Ethics posts by Jefferson Hawkins

      • Illinoisian

        “Up the Bridge” with Claire is what held my attention most. That series had just started when I started reading. For a never-in, kind of naive and expecting something like a philosophy or like counseling, seeing what went on in the course room and how much it cost was fascinating, shocking, and unsettling.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      It’s had a peripheral result of increasing hits on other less mainstream sites. (Did you get that, you are now mainstream.)

      I noticed the hits on my OCMB post jumped up by about 50 since the movie has been out.

      • shasha40

        We’re not on ” the fringes of the internet anymore ? hee hee

        • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

          Blasphemy!

          • Mark Foster

            …and Heresy…Followed by Basic B Flat Ecstasy…

          • shasha40

            That’s where CoS said we reside , but , Rasha pointed out how we’re no longer on the fringes of the internet , we’ve got a highway since Sunday and had more traffic than all x47 Ideal mOrgs combined ! 😀

        • Rasha

          Not since they put that Entheta Highway in. Look at the traffic!

          • shasha40

            True that, so much traffic . I like the new highway though . 😀

    • BFM

      That’s some real suppressive expansion there, Tony. Congratulations! Not many blogs have this kind of interest. I see it as an acknowledgement of your excellent work.

    • Just Dee

      I hope many are scientologists, exploring the internet….

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Nice one, Tony–some genuine upstat and vertical expansion! Hope the Bunker servers can take the strain :) Thanks.

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        Add to previous post: Please find enclosed a graph to indicate your upstatness :)

        • Lucille Austero

          Wow, this looks to be straight up and vertical expansion.

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            Damn! Knew it didn’t look right with upstat in the original post, but couldn’t remember and (it being nearly 3 in the morning!) didn’t really have the time to look. I’ll remember for next time, thank you for the aide memoir Lucille :)

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Thanks for these numbers. I was wondering about the unique visitors and actually I am shocked by the 15k number more than anything else. That tells me the “under the radar” have been looking…And HARD.
      VWD, Proprietor.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        How many of them are UTR. and more to the point, I wonder how many current cuties don’t look at the Bunker…

      • Ella Raitch

        Exactly – on Sundance day there were 200 unique posters.

        That lurker closet is a frigging tardis

    • ComeToPresentTime

      Well-deserved. And yeah, hopefully some are curious public Scientologists who are gathering the wherewithal to blow.

    • EnthralledObserver

      I thought there was only a few of us with multiple sock accounts… now I am confused.

      • Observer

        70 avatars, to be exact.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Right… so does this mean there are many more odd socks in the drawer now?

          • Rasha

            Hope so. I always wanted a sock called NummyMuffinCoocoolButter. Then I could post intelligent stuff. Muahahaha….

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        In Scientology they are called “Body Socks.”

        They cluster up and tend to form wedgies.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Ah… the cluster – the cluster-fuck of $cientology. I think LRonny meant to say ‘let’s sort these clusters’, not ‘let’s clear these clusters’… am I right?

        • https://jennyatlax.wordpress.com/ JennyAtLAX

          Hi, Mr. Tilse. Did you read about what happened late last week:

          “Church of Scientology Placed Under 5150 Hold,”

          https://jennyatlax.wordpress.com/

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Nice!

            Obviously the feared “Psych Treatment” of lobotomy after forced drugging and electric shock treatment was NOT used, and the Church of Scientology was released back on the street with no further harm.

            Perhaps the Church of Scientology can sign a religious contract with the LDS Church asserting the religious right to refuse a 5150 hold.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Good to know. Upstat! Now you get 4 hours Sunday morning to do laundry. Don’t forget: Rinse 16 times for KSW – the only way is the KSW way.

      Favorite link to understanding scientology in a nutshell: Jeff Hawkins “Get Your Ethics In” Series
      http://tonyortega.org/jefferson-hawkins-getting-our-ethics-in/

      Favorite jaw dropping happy day link: Scientology Declares Leah Remini an SP
      http://tonyortega.org/2013/11/25/scientology-declares-actress-leah-remini-a-suppressive-person/

      Favorite relevant link preBunker days: Tony Ortega at Village Voice publishes “Open Letter to Tom Cruise”
      http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/02/scientologys_di.php

      • Stephanie Loving

        Great great open letter from Tony to Tom. Wow. A shame that Cruise probably never read it … LRH forbid he might make Dave mad. He’d never want THAT.

      • CobGatYour$$

        Hole, KSW: KEEP SCIONTOLOGY WEAKENING!

        • Missionary Kid

          For a list of MADE UP DEFINITIONS FOR $CIENTOLOGY ACRONYMS go to http://tonyortega.org/2015/01/01/happy-new-year-2015-now-the-real-scientology-countdown-begins/#comment-1770020635 or refresh to see a few more.

          KSW MEANINGS
          Keep $cientology withering.
          Keep $cientology Worried
          Keep Shelly Well-away
          Keep Shorty Wealthy
          Keep Slandering, Wogs.
          Keep Slappy Wealthy
          Keep slappy withering
          Keep Spending, Whales
          Keep Substituting Wives
          Keep Suckers Wondering
          Keep Sucking Wallets
          Keep Suppressing the Wanker
          Keep Switching Women
          Keep the Scam Working
          Keep the Slime Working
          Keeping Scientologists Waiting
          Keeping Scientology Waning.
          Keeping Scientology Wanking
          Keeping Scientology Whining
          Keeping Scientology Wicked
          Keeping Scientology Worried
          Keeping Sociopaths Wanking
          Kelptomanics Stealing Wallets
          Kicking Shit out of Wog
          Killing Scientific Wonder
          Killing Squirrels Worldwide
          Kob Sucks Weenie
          Kooky Science Withering
          Krazy Scamming Weasel
          Krazy Sociopathic Wanking

    • Snake Plissken

      On Sunday you had more visitors on this site than Scientology has members, and nobody even had to get threatened to show up.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        LOL

    • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

      Hey all you lurkers — chip in a couple bucks with the ‘donate’ button up top!

      • Wogsy Wonka

        damn girl already regging..: )

        • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

          We don’t call it that XD

      • AnyOldName1

        You do NOT have to pay to play at the Bunker. No money will be held on account….
        It would be nice if you could kick in some coin, but if it’s not safe – that’s okay, we understand.

        • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

          Sure sure sure sure BUT have you considered the possibility that if our proprietor is constantly struggling or isn’t able to live comfortably that this blog is more likely to go away? You gotta pay talent to retain it. That’s just the way it is.

          • AnyOldName1

            Agree. Absolutely. But we seem to have acquired a large number of lurkers in the last few days – many of whom are “still in” or “under the radar”. They may not feel safe making an online donation at this time.

            • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

              Well, I’m not talking to them. I’m talking to Going Clear fans

      • Ella Raitch

        Shit – better put my best frock on – like…people are watching and stuff

    • aquaclara

      Congratulations, Tony. Your hard work is attracting many intelligent, funny and observant readers.

    • Chee Chalker

      Lies! The Scibots who monitor this blog have counted 72 unique posters (all paid by Big Pharma BTW). And we know how accurate the Co$ is with membership numbers, so……

    • Kerf

      Ah, but would that number include 3 additional, new individual readers from this household using this device to read the Underground Bunker thanks to Alex Gibney being able to better explain the destructive nature of the cult better than I? Make that 55,003. One new reader so incensed, prepare to have word spread across the campus of a large university like wildfire. That particular newbie is strong in social activism.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    I am sorry to hear of the death of anyone in Scientology, I have heard too many horror stories of members dying because they did not seek medical help. I hope this fellow was not one of them.

  • CobGatYour$$

    Tony, does anyone know what angle Theroux will follow in his documentary? Hopefully he will address issues that Gibney was unable to touch on due to the amount of material that he could release. He could probably sell footage that he couldn’t use on a ” directors uncut version” of the original 4 hours. Maybe, what do you think?

    • Tony Ortega

      I think I know what the focus is going to be, but out of respect to Louis, as well as his producer and director, both of whom I have met and greatly respect, I will refrain from speculation and will continue to bug them for information so that it comes out when they want it to.

      • CobGatYour$$

        Hopefully new stuff to the public at large that Gibney did not show!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I will eat pita chips and wait.
          OK, Fine…I will take an occasional walk and post a couple of nasties on THR.
          That is all I got!!!

      • BFM

        And that’s why you are one of the most respected journalists. I actually saw an interview with Louis discussing his upcoming doc about Scientology. He didn’t say too much. But he did make an interesting comparison: Scientology resembles the radical Islam in the sense that the ones who leave the ideology are treated much worse than those who were never-in. There was one more give away: due to the closed nature of Scientology, Theroux will have to fit his story into a different format than his usual one.

      • Robert Eckert

        And you’ll throw another big Bunkeroo viewing party? Maybe third time will be the charm and I can make it.

    • ComeToPresentTime

      This is just speculation and IANAL, but HBO most likely owns the rights to everything shot for Going Clear. The legal complications involved in allowing any footage from a film they produced criticizing Scientology to be aired in the UK due to their draconian libel laws would not be worth HBO altruistically giving away unused footage and thus, being on the hook in a legal sense.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Huh? HBO declared “fair use” on the historical shit?
        I am confused by your assertion?

        • ComeToPresentTime

          I’m confused by yours. Read what I replied to again.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I am still confused…but that is OK…I have had Vodka.

            • Vaquera

              What she said.

  • aquaclara

    Megan Kelly on Fox is covering Going Clear and the tax aspect -coming up.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      My neighbor just called and told me so I turned it on. thanks.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Greta must be having a hissy!!!

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Or be spending a hell of a lot of time with her fingers in her ears going “LA LALA LALA!” very loudly to block out all that nasty entheta :)

        • Snake Plissken

          She’s got to be about ready to make a run for the door herself.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          You mean she’s still married to John?

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Is he still alive?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Haven’t heard a peep about him in ages. Then again, “Greta Who?”

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              You gotta wonder if he is OK,….Or on his deathbed.
              Of course we wont know until he passes or whatever.

      • aquaclara

        I hope they tackle this tax piece hard.

        • Ruby

          That’s just what they said they would be addressing. :)

    • ComeToPresentTime

      I’m flabbergasted that Greta hasn’t been able to muzzle her yet.

      • aquaclara

        Is Greta anything any more?

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Tonight just home from a neighborhood meeting one of the members always wore her scn necklace. Today she had NO jewlelry on. I’ll watch… interesting…

          • aquaclara

            That’s a nice sign. Keep your ears open, Dee….I don’t think all of the members will ignore this.

            It’s time.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              PS: I’ve had my eyes and ear on her since she I went back to the group and found her.

        • Always Amazed

          Other than a Scion? I don’t think so.

    • EnthralledObserver

      I hope someone is recording for us foreigners. :)

    • generic sock

      You had me at Megyn Kelly. What a Fox.

  • Just Dee

    Wow, I could never go through all the comments. Sorry if this was already posted. Going Clear was the most watched documentary in 9 years.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/31/going-clear-ratings_n_6979596.html
    I haven’t had a chance to read yet.

    • Sibs

      Yeah, I came on here trying to find out if anyone had posted the news yet, and I’m still wading through comments and haven’t found anything. Really exciting news, especially since this is just initial ratings- not counting the millions who will watch reruns and on HBO Go.

      • MaxSpaceman

        The #s have been posted. But no worries re-posting. Every visitor and Bunkeroo is getting with the fact that re-posts are no longer going to be considered a faux-pas. With 1,000 posts by mid-afternoon and 2,000 + a lot of days, re-posts are inevitable.

        • Sibs

          Yeah, I’m on the verge of giving up. Too many comments to catch up on!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Just skim the top and pop off……….It works…It helps people 😉

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              I recently started going to link the ‘Best’ instead the Newest, to catch up and it works real good.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Too true, alas. Just not possible. Alas on the one hand, but, in a way, fantastic for ‘the critic movement’ -whatever-one-calls-it and The Underground Bunker. I’d like to see Tony get as many comments per day as Disqus can deal with. That adds gravitas *to make change in America regarding Scientology.* The degree of difficulty for change in the US of A is — just so hard, with the religious cloak.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Always click on “Best”, now, during a visit. You may often find what you’re looking for that way. Jonny does have an updated post findable on “Best”

        • aquaclara

          Hi, Max! And since I’m a thousand comments behind, I like your comment. Did anyone find good clues or know where the three “missing” people are? Jonny’s post is incredibly sad. I hate the lies Scientology pulls in court.

          • Sibs

            See? That’s what I want to know too- whether anybody had information to add to Jonny’s post.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              I saw the two photos.

              That has got to be a wake up for these women. They won’t be able to hide.

              I hope that Tony has gotten a bunch of leads and they are being forwarded by secure channel to the French Authorities.

            • Sibs

              Me too. I’m horrified by the idea that $cientology might get rewarded again for their dirty tricks avoiding prosecution, especially since it concerns another suicide.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Thanks, I agree. ahhhh…….

  • StudentOfLife

    Wow, Yahoo is really giving a ton of coverage, including an article on how Hubbard rose to power that is just spot on given they don’t know what you long time Bunkerites know. Huffpost just did an update on “where is Shelly Miscavige” and why it was left out of Going Clear. My friends here in Ventura area are all talking about Lie-in-tology, lol.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Welcome. 😉

    • sugarplumfairy

      It’s been posted.. But we lovvvvvve hearing it again!!

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Poor Bodhi Elfman all these mean people
    picking on him on Twitter.

    Fortunately, he has a bright future ahead.
    He’s off to do his OT levels.

    Meanwhile, DM is going to put ethics in, just you wait and see.

    • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

      These are gooood!

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    LOVE Megyan! Is that a religion or what?

  • Wogsy Wonka

    Hey Lurkers/Ex-Scientologists,

    Some of the low-toned comm you are witnessing is called discussion/debate in the wog world, and it is okay if those viewpoints don’t agree. Guess what? We are ALL okay with it. And sometimes when your blood starts to boil, it may seem like Entheta. Guess what?? It is not Entheta. You are okay and nothing bad will happen to you. No you are not going to roller coaster. Maybe your computer will though after you throw it against the wall. But it’s okay…the human emotional reaction will pass. You will then get over it and move on with your life. Next, you will find yourself coming back here everyday, and then you will soon find yourself addicted. It will be the coolest addiction you ever have.

    P.S. Thank you for the constant upvotes on yesterdays pages : )
    P.S.S. I’m only sharing this, because it happened to me last year when some meanie poster made a snark comment to me, and I almost walked into a wall. : )

    • generic sock

      Is the wall ok?

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        J–sock, you naughty person :) (ETA: Carry on!)

        • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

          What? I was worried about the wall too.

          • Wogsy Wonka

            I would expect this comment from his PR person. just sayin.

            • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

              XD

        • generic sock

          I’m passionate about dry wall preservation. It’s a hobby. Don’t judge me,

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            Are your walls not made from wattle and daub, with a lime plaster coating like the ones in old Englandshire? They must be much sturdier than this new–fangled ‘dry wall’ of which you speak. It’s possible to walk into them many times without damage (to the wall). Monkey judges no–one–and a gentleman needs a hobby!

        • Wogsy Wonka

          no not naughty jsock. EVERYDAY J-SOCK. : )

      • Wogsy Wonka

        p.s.s.s. oh…also, every once in awhile you run into this asshole sock (cuz we are assholes remember????). If you employ ignore tech. the stinky sock just goes away then you will take on his valence and become an asshole too! : ) Yay!

        • Wogsy Wonka

          This is all snark btw…he is somewhat nice (you didn’t hear me or see me say that aloud)

          • generic sock

            Liar.

            • Wogsy Wonka

              Your soft moments speak for themselves. All you buddy. : )

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            No worries, see no evil and hear no evil Monkeys are in control. Fuck! Just stubbed my toe… did someone say something?

            (ETA: Speak no evil Monkey’s on break.)

            • Wogsy Wonka

              again?????

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Hi Wogsy-yes I’m good, sorry about the misunderstanding, I was saying I didn’t see/hear you saying that J-sock wasn’t too bad really. Are you ok? (expect a long email on Friday, once I’ve recovered from tomorrow’s event!) Hugs’n’love Monkey XoXo

            • Wogsy Wonka

              I’m totally good. Your comment just rolled over my head that’s all. There have been so many comments and snarks that I’m all snarked out. lolol. I just got home from my internship so my brain is like blah. Have fun, and I’m so excited for you. : ) XoXo

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Hiya-just so you know, I changed ISP today, and it’s a bit on the wonk-so I’m having to use my mobile instead (which means many fewer posts, and no upvoting-how am I going to earn my Big Pharma SP check now!) I’ll hook my mobile up to the laptop on Friday, but will have to be careful of the data usage, so I don’t go over my limit!
              Have a great evening-catch you tomorrow/Friday XoXo

            • Wogsy Wonka

              no worries. ive been commenting from my phone too while on lunch during internship. no worries i understand. xoxo. gnite monkey.

  • aquaclara

    Scientology….”Is a multimillion dollar conglomerate that pays zero in taxes. Is that right?” Megyn Kelly, coming up.

    Exactly. It’s the tax issue. I hope they hit this hard.

    • Snake Plissken

      She should ask …

      What distinguishes the corporation that L. Ron Hubbard created from the corporation than Bernie Madoff created? And why is one considered a relgion and the other is not?

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        First Amendment protection?

  • Lucille Austero

    Megyn Kelly: Cherch pays zero taxes – is that right and is it a religion? Segment is on after this break.

    • generic sock

      Then she winked at me.

      • Lucille Austero

        She did not.

        • generic sock

          That’s just your opinion.

          • Lucille Austero

            It is my considered opinion.

            • generic sock

              Well I consider it wrong. Consider that.

    • http://www.skippress.com/ Skip Press

      Hey, with Greta van $cientologist on the air over there, it’s outstanding that she’s actually taking it up. I get the feeling Great will be the elephant in the room there for a while.

  • aquaclara

    “Abuse, complete ostracization of family members, being forced to disassociate with family members, Strong arm tactics, holding two soup cans…” She said this. Good for Megyn.

    • Snake Plissken

      I hope she asks …

      And what’s up with the fake navy costumes?

    • Lucille Austero

      True.

  • MoX, Mother of Xenu

    I wonder how long until this is discovered as part of LRH’s tech: http://mashable.com/2015/03/31/delete-your-tweets/

    Perhaps DM will announce that the semicolons he removed from The Basics (when properly arranged and decoded) referenced a HCO PL location @ St.Hill near a former privy.

    • ComeToPresentTime

      Many skillions of dollars were spent on that semicolon repositioning. It wouldn’t surprise me.

  • Sibs

    Speaking of Going Clear skewing young, I was talking about it today with my mom and my baby brother started asking questions about $cientology (mainly asking why they do so many bad things and they’re still called a religion). We were going to wait until after his bedtime to watch but I guess we’ll see what happens.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Holy crap!! I finally remember who dm reminds me of when he commands a room.. Barney! No wonder babies love him..

      • generic sock

        I always thought babies loved him because they are usually on the same eye level. Eye contact is a major factor in human development.

        • Baby

          JSock… I am taller than that asshole..ewwwwwwwwww

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Hit me on email………………I want YOU ….and your (crazy) Cousin,,,,,,,,,,,,,To come stay with me for a few days…. Or weeks…whatever……………….!!!

        • sugarplumfairy

          Done!

      • Baby

        This Baby Doesn’t …Ewwwwwwwwwww Fairy!!

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Com on now Sean Hannity, when are you going to take up from Megyan?

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Really neat interview. Sorry if it’s duplicate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO2x_8g_oMA#t=105

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      thanx i have not seen it.

  • Miss Tia

    that last photo, looks like people going towards a spaceship at the end of close encounters….

    • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!
      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        One thing that Scientology deliberately does is to put imagery into their productions that are designed to “restimulate” the whole track incidents.

        Whole track incidents are supposed to be disasters long (thousands, millions, trillions of years) ago that affect our mind and body even today.

        “Restimulating” incidents these supposedly can upset you, make you anxious, make you feel bad mentally and physically. The OT III story is composed of whole track events: “Incident 1” and “Incident 2.”

        Even when I was in, I noticed this and objected to it.

        The strange book covers of the LRH basic books written in the 50’s are designed to restimulate in the same way.

        When you attend a Scientology Event, and are exposed to these images, you are prepared so that the registrars can more easily extract money from you or sign you up for staff.

        • Panopea Abrupta

          Kinda like this, Michael?

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Exactly like that! The volcano imagery comes directly from the Incident 2 story of Xenu stacking the frozen bodies of his population around the earth volcanoes and then blowing them up with H-Bombs.

            So it is known inside Scientology that using these images cause people to be interested in the Scientology and Dianetics books without them knowing why.

            • MaxSpaceman

              as Jefferson used so effectively on the cover of a huge re-best-selling Dianetics run back when.

            • aurora50

              Sounds like that good ol’ ‘subliminal advertising’ schtick!

        • sugarplumfairy

          Someone commented a few days ago ‘the OTIII story sounds suspiciously like a first draft..’ Or something similar to that..

        • Orglodyte

          I went to a New Year’s event a few years ago, after 15 years out, and it was surreal. Saw DM, the Shrine a third empty, lots of sour expressions and folded arms in the balcony.

          Most striking though was the resemblance to Incident 1 and 2 from OTIII! Flashing lights for no reason in the rafters. Loud sounds. Big screens. Sudden darkness. No cherubs though.

        • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft
      • Miss Tia

        WOW, seeing that pix–instead of just in my mind, yep, exactly!!

  • Vaquera

    Willie Nelson shout out in going Clear tweet. Made me smile.
    https://twitter.com/twcnewscrestina/status/583091654904565760

  • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

    first time I’ve seen a Cruise snark picture at izismile [one of the biggest picture/video sites out there]

    pic

    • Snake Plissken

      They need to show a little respect, all they’re doing is going after terrorists and just getting shot at, whereas Tom Cruise is saving the planet … one imaginary disembodied space alien at a time.

  • Juicer77

    Vaccinations are so important for babies. Prevents a lot of nasty stuff later on.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Coming this Sunday 4/5/15. HBO Going Clear will repeat 9:15 PM. Just found it on schedule. Oh Boy!

    • Tony Ortega

      If you have HBO (depending on the system) you can watch it at anytime on HBO On Demand

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Good to know, thanks.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Dont watch it without me MA……..I want to be there for YA.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Excellent. The scheduled re-showings are great in spreading the knowledge, opening up the subject of scientology. :)

  • Juicer77

    I hope we get links to today’s radio interview and the FoxNews piece. I missed both.

    Hint, hint Mr. Proprietor.

    • Tony Ortega

      Did three radio shows today. Gotta track down those links.

      • Juicer77

        Thank you, kind sir.

      • Juicer77

        Forgot to say, please extend heartiest thanks to our host for Sunday night’s viewing treat.

      • MaxSpaceman

        you’re going to have a lot of action, all the way up til your book release day. :)

        • Juicer77

          Then it will be worse! 😉

          • MaxSpaceman

            Then it will be better !

      • sugarplumfairy

        What’d you do in your spare time?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          LOL

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Im tellin ya, the cats can type!

          • Always Amazed

            If Toonces can drive………

      • Zer0

        Breathe, just remember to breathe

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Are U like Lindsay Lohan? Sayin?

          • Zer0

            ??

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Muah!!!

            • Zer0

              Well that’s not much of an answer!

      • romanesco

        Thanks so much. Is the video interview with John Sweeney and Sara Goldberg available?

      • MaxSpaceman

        links?

  • kemist

    If anyone wants to see an interview of Gwenn Le Berre, he has a short segment explaining what happened to his mother in this documentary around 1:15 :

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TmxNTKpAydM

    It is in french, however.

  • Vaquera

    Edited. Repost below

    • Vaquera

      May your income tax….

      • sugarplumfairy

        That’s great..

    • Juicer77

      How I wish!

  • MoX, Mother of Xenu
  • Vaquera
    • Tom Yozwiak

      Are all the aliens dudes?

      • Are_sics

        Dudes and chicks who make dudes as happy as baby psychlos on strict diets of Kerbango.

      • MaxSpaceman

        good question! imagined Body Thetans as having no sex. but they must be male and female BTs, eh?

      • generic sock

        Nah, there’s chicks. Hot chicks, too.
        Mostly hot because of the whole volcano situation, but some of them were hot even before that.

        • Tom Yozwiak

          But, I bet there are just dudes being pulled out of Tommie’s azz.

          • generic sock

            Damn. Scientology must hate this web blorg.

        • Zer0

          Those are different types of hot

          • generic sock

            Thanks, Bill Nye teh Science Guy.

            • Zer0

              There’s volcanic hot which will easily melt steel, but I digress…{just messing with you]

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Depends. Which galaxy are we talkin about here?

      • Snake Plissken

        I’m not sure about the invisible aliens, but the hamster was definitely male … it might have been a gerbil, but it was definitely male. .

        • Tom Yozwiak

          Ha!

    • ComeToPresentTime

      That quote in and of itself isn’t really representative of what Tony was getting at, and kind of runs counter to his stance when taken out of context like this. It’s fine that Tom Cruise is paying to remove aliens from his body, but new members aren’t told about this aspect of the cult and they’re fed all these BS platitudes of how it’s all about man being a spiritual being and you’re bettering your spirit. If people were told about the alien stuff at the outset no one would join.

      • Vaquera

        I know. Tony had just been teasing himself about the word, so I had to give him a shout out.

  • Chee Chalker
    • Juicer77

      Possibly, but reposting is helping keep everyone in the loop. Another great article!

    • Zer0

      That website is prone to listicles

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Wait. 2,209 body thetans. Is this tru fax? Do OT 7 sci’s have a policy saying each has 2,209 BT’s attached to them and they have to “audit” them all out? I’m starting to think this scientology stuff is a little wacko. This is news to me. Really?

      • Tom Yozwiak

        Wow! So TC has 2209 male aliens all up in him? He must be in heaven.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          If true, this explains why it takes years. That’s actually a built in revenue stream guarantee. No wonder they can’t get 10,000 in 10 years time. It is one of the most obvious clues that there are not millioms of scientologists.

        • Robert Eckert

          The genders are half and half. That is what’s driving him crazy.

      • MaxSpaceman

        I watched it with you in New York and again at home next day. I didn’t see/hear mention of 2,209 BTs !

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Never heard of this anywhere ever.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Article author’s deliberate inclusion. Who knows why . . .

      • Orglodyte

        I actually did see somewhere where somebody figured this out. Redoing the math: OTIII says 76 planets with 178 billion on average. If Xenu brought all of them to earth that’s 13,528 billion. Divided by 2209 is 6.1 billion, the world population in about 2000 …

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Hahahahahahahaha. That’s just crazy. Tks. No, it’s not. That someone had to be a reg. That actually makes sense in a perverted, twisted, greedy way. I wonder if he/she gets a commission for each BT.

          • Orglodyte

            Hi THDNE! So why does OTIII thru VII take so long? Should be able to bang through a couple thousand BTs pretty quickly. Maybe the elite attract more thetans than regular people do.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Im starting to suspect that the fewer customers left, the longer it takes. Chaching.

        • MaxSpaceman

          Yeah, I did the math once thinking, Xenu – on DC8s – brought 13.5 trillion beings/people to this prison planet. How freakin’ long did *that* take ?!?

    • MaxSpaceman

      Didn’t eleventy million make it through Dianutty?

  • aquaclara

    Rest in peace, Gloria Lopez. I hope justice prevails, for your life was important.

    And for William Purvis, RIP.

    Two too many.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Can you imagine if Krustie Alley was at home in Los Angeles? how she would be a virtual prisoner in her abode. Where could she go without being asked to respond to HBO’s Going Clear… Nowhere! It would have been un-endurable. And that’s why she’s where? at Saint Hell doing/giving course work? I don’t know what… Out of contact with the real world.

    • ComeToPresentTime

      It’ll get to a point where entheta is literally inescapable. Does the COS really want to declare a huge percentage of their membership as PTS, when that could actually endanger them financially? We shall soon find out.

  • Third Drawer Down

    Oh my Lord, guuys!

    You will not believe the shit that has gone down my end today!!!

    If only I could tell you without endangering those in.

    Scientology is losing it!

    You have no idea what I have been through today…

    I
    have had (hour long) frantic phone calls of denial… facebook friends
    have been tapped… and asked about… manic emails have been sent…!

    It is a full-on melt down from Scientology!

    Foot-bulleting.
    People I know who were sitting on the fence that have been tapped by
    Scientology through me, and are just going “HOLY SHIT! This confirms
    EVERYTHING that is being said. This is bad!”

    I am exhausted from the onslaught today…

    You have no idea!

    third-drawer-down@hushmail.com

    • Zer0

      And so the shitstorm begins…. Thanks for the awesome post!

    • sugarplumfairy

      Change the names to protect the innocent.. and the guilty.. And tell us everything.. Come sit by me..

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Yes! Throw us dawgs a bone. Can u say that members are watching it? I know if they do, yhe secret doubts and questions they all have will be answered. its a shock and major punch in the gut. Let them know there are thousands of non judgmental helping hands and soft shoulders out here… we’ve been waiting for them.

        • Third Drawer Down

          Some seem to have been given a ‘condensed snippet’ (obviously highly edited) to softe their curiosity… only enough to validate what they are being told…

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Wow, that’s Risky Business. Dangerous taunts. At least they know that HBO really is airing an Alex Gibney documentary.

            • Third Drawer Down

              Oh, yes they do!

          • Frodis73

            Wow…I’m shocked they did that. Happy to hear they are in a meltdown though. 😀

          • ComeToPresentTime

            So with the entheta removed of course for their protection.. Yeah that sounds like standard OSA.

      • Third Drawer Down

        Email me and I can tell you more… confidentially.

        xxx ooo

        • MaxSpaceman

          done.

          • Wogsy Wonka

            Be careful max

            • MaxSpaceman

              if only it were daylight now – as it is where you are right now – then maybe I could see better in the dark :)

            • Wogsy Wonka

              Lol. *looking for sun* Uuuum west/us coast. Night time here. : )

            • MaxSpaceman

              I know – thanks. I thought you were in Oz, cuz you said you couldn’t see the doc. I naturally assumed you were in a land that dint have HBO and could not see it. When alla time yous on the Coast. So I said to your query, How I am gonna see the film _ and I said, swim? cuz I thought you were in ANZO.

            • Wogsy Wonka

              Lol max …is this a joke for worlgsy again? Or did you really think I lived in anzo. I never made that comment remember? Lolol I think we are on different pages

            • MaxSpaceman

              Wow. Oh well . . . Tra la la la la … oTay :)

            • Wogsy Wonka

              Oh dear ; ) sometimes the snarks go over my head. I’ll try better next time lolol

            • MaxSpaceman

              No, Wogsy dear- it is I. Moi. I will go to my Implant Station where I will pick up a new meat body, believing that you said you couldn’t see the film, asked How can I see it, and I said to you- “swim.?” — That is it. In a nutshell.

            • Wogsy Wonka

              Max I believe disqus is the result of our misunderstanding. That was another poster than you said “swim?” I happened to noticed and responded to you by saying “meanie” lolol

            • MaxSpaceman

              Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !

              Yes, Wogsy dear- you have cleared up the whatchamacallit. Your “meanie” immediatamente had me associating the “swim” comment to you.

              I wonder who it really was. Good for you to stick up for the other commenter! It was kinda mean to say to the Aussie, If you’n cain’t find a showing over thar, well, then — swim !

              :-)

            • Wogsy Wonka

              It wasn’t a regular commenter that’s why I did that but then you kept snarking about it, so I was I like okay I guess I’ll roll with it lol. Glad I cleared it up. That person never came back meanie ; )

            • MaxSpaceman

              Lolol !! Thanks! I drove the poor soul away with m, “You wanna see the film? *And* you live in Oz ?!? Okay, here’s how — SWIM !”

            • Wogsy Wonka

              hahaha! Yeah I initially scrolled over the convo, and I was like oh it’s just Jimmy. Then I looked closely l, and I was like max???? Lolol *running away*

            • MaxSpaceman

              Wogsy, when I come out to the Coast maybe we’ll go enturbulate some, along with Monkey nuts. Eh?

            • Wogsy Wonka

              Sunset and Vermont is Los Angeles? Sorry for the comm lag, I had to Google. We’ll see how our timelines match-up. I just started internship. Exciting! When are you coming out to the West/Coast? I’m in Nor cal at the moment, and I’m sure Monkey wouldn’t mind. He’s in the Uk though lolol. I forgive you about snarking btw. It was quite funny actually. I just thought I should be the one to call you out on it. : )

            • MaxSpaceman

              wow- Uk. I am so out-of-the-loop. Good luck w/ the Internship !

            • Third Drawer Down

              Helloooo!!!!

        • EnthralledObserver

          I have emailed you! :)

        • ComeToPresentTime

          Done.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Ooo.. Would love to..

      • Missionary Kid

        What was it that Alice Roosevelt said? Something like, “If you don’t have anything good to say about someone, come sit beside me.”

        • Third Drawer Down

          Perfect quote is perfect

        • sugarplumfairy

          Haha.. That’s exactly what I was thinking when I wrote that..

    • Snake Plissken

      Well that was pretty much expected by everyone … except Scientology

      They basically just got a freight train of truth driven right through the the front door of their organization and are trying to act as if they were planning on putting a road there anyway. How long was that supposed to last?

    • Chee Chalker

      Aw…..c’mon…. Share the news! Think of it this way…..you’re not protecting the still ins…..you will be helping to free them! Just a thought…

    • ComeToPresentTime

      Yeah I have a feeling that lots of Scientologists are about to get sec checks for being connected to SPs. Let’s see how many of them actually feel like staying and dealing with this.

      • Chee Chalker

        And paying for the sec checks……

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      That is amazing, third drawer down – any tantalizing bits? Are you openly out? Are you saying you have still-in friends who saw it?

      • Third Drawer Down

        I’m a never-in but have family in.

        • ThePanopticon

          Are they coming out now or what?

          • Third Drawer Down

            Nope. Still very happy in. Almost too happy if you know what I mean?

            • Ella Raitch

              Gotcha!! So family are handling you?

            • Baby

              I think I’ll pass on e mailing you 3rd..

            • Wogsy Wonka

              I thought the same thing.

            • Third Drawer Down

              Ha!

              No, that’s them! 😉

              I am more like:

            • Baby

              Ohhhhhhh hahahahah Ya scared me for a minute 3rd.. Jeeze.. xo

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Okay I hushmailed you…!

    • Juicer77

      Thanks for sharing. And for being kind to these panicked folks right now. Maybe you’re just the wog they need :) ETA you should share some details with Tony. He’s good about keeping things confidential.

      • Third Drawer Down

        Thanks for that, we can only hope.

        I have passed on some of it to Tony. It’s all too interesting to hold on to myself.

    • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

      Oooh – you’re a tease.

      Carry on!

  • aegerprimo

    Joking and degrading…. er… J&D in Sciloon speak…

    Tom Cruise will hate this, but it is damn funny in the way one makes fun of an asshole…

    Tom Cruise Reacts to Crazy Accusations in Scientology Documentary ‘Going Clear’
    http://thestir.cafemom.com/celebrities/184287/tom_cruise_reacts_to_crazy

    • aegerprimo

      BTW… Love y’all! ♥ ♥

      The Co$ bad press tsunami has me up past my bedtime and occupied right now.

    • Tom Yozwiak

      Haaaa!!! Excellent! Thx!

    • MaxSpaceman

      Tom Cruize: “RPF?!? Prison Camp? Hard Work Builds Character!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I can almost hear the theme music playing in the background,

      “I’ll bet you think this doc is about you, don’t you, don’t you?”

      • aegerprimo

        …You’re so vain… I betcha think this doc is about you… doncha doncha doncha…..

  • CobGatYour$$

    Hey, hope it hasn’t been, repeated if so, enjoy again! I get all warm and fuzzy when I read this kind of news on TC, Big Beingness, losingness, reputationity!
    http://thedailybanter.com/2015/03/will-going-clear-sink-tom-cruise/

    • Snake Plissken

      How does someone watch Going Clear and then try to watch a Tom Cruise movie without thinking …

      This fuсking guy thinks he has imaginary disembodied space aliens running around in his head.

  • Straight Diet of Kerbango

    94% on Rotten Tomatoes so far. And it should be noted that neither of the two negative reviews state that the documentary is ‘bigoted’ or disregards the wonderful social betterment programs of the church.

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/going_clear_scientology_and_the_prison_of_belief_2015/?search=going#audience_reviews

    • Snake Plissken

      So its basically a solid 100%

      • Orglodyte

        Yes, both of the negative reviewers believe the doc did not go far enough.

        • Snake Plissken

          Of course it didn’t cover everything, but there was not a wasted second in that film, it would need to be about four years long to cover everything.

          • Juicer77

            With unending epilogues.

  • sugarplumfairy
  • CobGatYour$$

    I just cannot imagine, even being brainwashed, controlled, how on earth do these sci people justify RPF? How are they compliant in this hole, being brutalized and humiliated? How do the authorities with all the testamonies of the sci victims throughout the years, with very consistent details not go after them? Sighhhh.

    • Zer0

      It’s been said that the brainwashed scientologists in the RPF may indeed choose to remain there, if asked during an FBI raid. However, there is a great deal of coercion involved. They don’t possess the ability to make informed choices, so they can’t really consent to detention.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Tom DeVocht says it on camera in Going Clear — The FBI could’ve walked into the Hole (with 100 + prisoners right there and said, what’s up, who wants to get out of here) and everyone would have said it’s there choice to be there, we’re staying. !! That is a huge statement in the film.

        • Zer0

          Exactly! They can’t give consent when they are being coerced

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            It’s the Scientology Syndrome.

          • Always Amazed

            I took Toms statement to mean they are so brainwashed they honestly want to be there, I wonder which is the majority, Coerced or “brainwashed faith”?

            • MaxSpaceman

              Tom DeVocht definitely meant mind-controlled (brainwarshed if you will)

      • scottmercer

        Why ask them? They are in no position to decide.

    • MaxSpaceman

      it’s deep, deep cgy$. which is a clue, too. as Rinder said in the documentary, The only thing that explains it is — “faith.” Wright coined the phrase for the book expressly for that reason, to communicate that. A Prison of Belief.

    • Snake Plissken

      The same reason a battered wife looks at the police with her two black eyes and tells the police her husband loves her and would never hit her.

      And the reason it’s so difficult to go after them is because religion is a sacred cow in the United States, it took forever to get child raping pedophile priests away from children and most of them were never even arrested, let alone go to prison.

    • aegerprimo

      All very good questions.

    • romanesco

      Look up Nancy Many’s Story on YouTube. It explained some of that for me.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Go just one week with only 4 hours sleep a night, eat only starchy carbs, wolfed down in 10 minutes. Have someone screaming at you on the hour, and in between, you have to meet an impossible quota knowing if you don’t meet it, next week will be twice as bad.

      Try it for just one week. And then when someone offers you a way to get a good night’s sleep, a good meal and a day of no yelling, for a price, you will experience how far your reasoning and self protection skills are suddenly fighting each other. You might win round one. Wait until Week 2 of the same. By Week 20, you won’t recognize yourself or the fact that you have become delusional and pliable and possibly already entering paranoia ville.

      Unless you really are an alien from another planet, this is what happens to your mental processes…to anyone’s brain. It generally requires as much isolation as possible. That’s where SP ‘s and Declares come in handy.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        This is exactly how I understand it. You put it very well. I have not experienced it, but my family member has, and this is what I was told by others who were in the Hole at the same time and later escaped – there is humiliation, degradation, and even the shards of doubt get beaten out of them over time. It is very scary.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I think they are beaten down, humiliated, made to think they are worthless every hour of every day. They also don’t get to sleep or eat enough. Not too many people can withstand that for a few years.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    O/T

    The American folk singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell was taken to hospital in Los Angeles on Tuesday night, according to reports.

    The website jonimitchell.com, which describes itself as the artist’s official site, said: “Joni has been hospitalized. We are awaiting official word on her condition and will post it here as soon as we know.”

    • MaxSpaceman

      oh my, very sad … (hope she quit smoking, she loved to smoke ‘n smoked forever)

      • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

        She will never quit smoking. She is, for all her foibles, a goddamn national treasure of two countries and a cultural treasure to me.

        • MaxSpaceman

          yeah, too bad- eventually the smoke took the best of her voice, which was once the most glorious instrument. One of the greatest voices in all of recorded music history.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Oh noooooo. One of my inspirations.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Talk about changes? Her chord changes are simply, imo, the best of anybody’s. So versatile and facile.

  • Wogsy Wonka

    Another topic O/T: the best therapy is Disney therapy. Human emotional reaction never felt so good while watching Into the Woods

    • Wogsy Wonka

      Wog life is the best life : )

      • MaxSpaceman

        How did you think the 2 Princes came off? Did they hold their own with the other performers?

        • Wogsy Wonka

          TBH: I loved the Emo looking prince. ; ) i took the performance at face value. entertaining pretty face douchebag princes. I was entertained. It’s commercial Disney. Im a diisney fan Fo’ life. Anything they make makes me tear up and inspired.

          • Wogsy Wonka

            Sorry on IPad

          • MaxSpaceman

            My fave when I were a boy was “Pinochio” and “Lady & The Tramp.”

            • Wogsy Wonka

              Mine is Peter Pan ; ) the best story EVER. Cinderella of course. I once wanted a Disney wedding.

          • Baby

            I loved it Wogsy! Have I welcomed you..I have been ” Away..” Welcome Welcome..

            I saw Into the Woods on stage a few years ago.. Loved it on the screen!

            • Wogsy Wonka

              Baby. I’m the super evil twin of Super Power Wogsy. We share the same girl thetan. Sorry, i thought everyone would automatically know who I was. But thank you anyways. I didn’t know it was a stage play.

              ETA: Can i just say, I saw your pic. You are so friggin cute. i will never throw attitude at you ever again (even if it’s on accident). I promise i promise.

            • Baby

              Haha No I didn’t know it was you..Jeeze.. YOu are funny..ha

              Well *** Blushes** thank you Wogsy.. for the compliment..Oh I love attitude. I got enough for 100+ people..xox

      • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

        Hells yeah! Ain’t no party like a Wog-ass party . . . (flashes wog gang sign)

        • Wogsy Wonka

          …Cuz a wog-ass party don’t stop!

        • aegerprimo

          Wog gang sign … doing it right?

        • Missionary Kid

          I think the wog gang sign is the American Sign Language signs for T O.

  • Valhalkarie

    My heart sank and jaw dropped when I read she came into an inheritance. Then wept when I read her financial advisor was a Scientologist,who she trusted,advised her to spend 200,000 on things that didn’t pay back interest or stock or portfolio growth,this èvil scientologist told her not to invest into realestate and pay for courses she would not need for years,when it could be growing in an investment. This “church” needs to be banned on every planet!!! It is a sick mafia that legally hypnotises ppl after 2-14 hours of it are thrown i a room in a daze and regged to death litterally!!!!! That’s it!!!!!!!!

  • ThePanopticon

    @bodhielfman Sara Goldberg wld luv 2 wipe a booger off her granddaughter's nose but bc #Scientology disconnect she will never see her again.— Sally Smith (@randomrambles21) April 1, 2015

    • ComeToPresentTime

      zing.

  • Valhalkarie

    Oh and these celebrity shills are such scum!!! Narsisistic scum,how dare we condemn there church where else are they going to be love bombed and treated like the greatest being on earth,in there special own celebrity center? How the hell are ppl. That left a organization THEY HAD horrorable expierences in,and saw others getting abused in even comparable to a NAZi? How is using there human right to speak out about 1 person and the Sadistic evil bs he pulls defaming a “religion” . If anything they are the stauffenburgs and these celebs are the gestapo! Sorry this article really struck something. This is so terrible,I pray it ends soon. Then cobs horde is seized and divide up to all sea org members since the start,after paying what they owe in back taxes since the irs blackmale,hey a few billion would help our country!! Ughh.

  • NeverIn

    Funny or Die! OMG, will anyone ever take Cruise seriously again?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      No.

      • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

        Yeahbut… that’s what I thought in 2008 when his 2004 video was leaked.

        • Baby

          And that proves the point.. Has anyone taken him seriously.. Matt Lauer interview.. Oprah? etc.. ugh Vanity Fair..?

          • scottmercer

            Cruise is high up enough on the food chain that his inevitable fall is taking uncomfortably long. But it will happen.

    • Judith Sylvester

      We will find out. I think his career was already winding down, and my prediction is he will continue in the fine Bill Cosby tradition: bring complete silence to the issues, and struggle against fate for as long as he can.

  • Kerf

    Bodhi Elfman has probably just displayed one of the most ignorant, offensive, and ineffective uses of a Godwin analogy that I believe I have ever come across. It’s a sure fire sign of defending a lost argument. (And I am even using less hyperbole and drama than a Sherman speech when I make that claim.) If he doesn’t have enough cash to buy a clue, maybe Scientology can help with that.

    • Snake Plissken

      That whole Dianetics raises your IQ thingy didn’t work for him … not that it worked for anyone else either, he just likes letting people know that it didn’t work

      • Judith Sylvester

        Well speaking of a Godwin analogy; it is reminded about the Nazis that they weren’t just evil, they were also morons.

    • Baby

      Welcome Kerf.. I don’t think I have said hello to you yet.. ; D

      • Kerf

        Thank you! No worries at all; I lurk daily, but rarely comment.

    • brendon

      And expand his Tweet to see all the responses he is getting. I don’t know enough about Twitter and how it works but am surprised they are still there. Figure he could block the replies (even Headley is in there).

      • Kerf

        Yeah, I don’t Twitter either, but I’m amused by how many copies of posts that I’ve seen where people attack Alex Gibney for being “one-sided.” It’s obvious they haven’t seen Going Clear because then they would know how much of the documentary relies on information and documentation from the cult itself. It’s also amusing how worked up they got before the movie was released about the ants, whenever there was only two 2-second shots of ants. In the midst of all the atrocities that are discussed and displayed in the film, they focus on the legitimacy of ANTS! i personally couldn’t care if the ant infestation was true or not; I was too busy being distracted by the haggard appearance of Mike Rinder when he was just released from the Hole to harass John Sweeney. The back and forth cut shots of Mike then and now was a powerful visual as it was in the Panorama doc, but, in Going Clear, Mike’s obvious deterioration didn’t need to be pointed out. Anyone could see his suffering for themselves without anyone saying anything about the evils of the cult. This is just one example where viewers didn’t need to be led down any garden path. The evidence is clearly shown, as is Scientology’s “side.”

  • brendon

    Completely unscientific observation: The COS can’t even muster enough members to counter the entheta on IMDB as they used to be able to do. By way of example, Battlefield Earth generated 44,830 1, 2, or 3 ratings, and 3,928 8, 9, or 10 ratings. A ratio of 11.4 to 1. Going Clear so far has generated 1,585 8, 9, or 10 ratings but only 28 1, 2, or 3 ratings, a ratio of 56.6 to 1. If you assume that COS members would vote BE high and GC low (whether they saw it or not), then you can see how the COS is really failing to outcreate the SP’s this time around. (Hey, I told you it was unscientific.)

    • Robert Eckert

      I would also note that the troll attacks on the Bunker have dwindled from the pathetic, in recent weeks, down to so rare as to be unnoticeable, these past couple days.

      • splog

        I’ve noticed that too. What does a fellow have to do to find a decent troll these days?

  • Sergeant Pepper
    • Snake Plissken

      The headline is disappointing, all he’s saying is Scientology’s mythology is no crazier than any other mythology, there’s no degree of bullshit, its either bullshit or not ,and Scientology definitely falls in the bullshit category, right with the rest of the them.

      • Judith Sylvester

        Yes, what Neil Degrasse Tyson is saying is all true, just boringly unoriginal. His generalities demonstrate that he is not familiar with the specifics about Scientology, which he also pretty much admits.

        • MaxSpaceman

          I would think to Neil, as an astrophysicist, the whole of Scientology is akin to like a Marvel comic or something.

          • Judith Sylvester

            That’s an intriguing comparison. I can see it. We are all interested in different things, and he’s probably not as motivated to probe the whyd and what-fors of Scientology as some of us are. It’s a bit of a pitfall for public figures, when people start asking them their opinion on things they are not interested in, and they start talking…

        • Robert Eckert

          It’s just way outside his area of interest. It’s like asking the average American whether he thinks the Houthi militia or Ansar al-Sharia is worse, and getting a shrug, “They both are Muslim, right?”

          • Judith Sylvester

            Exactly.

          • Sergeant Pepper

            Bzzzt. Come on Robert.

            • Robert Eckert

              To Tyson, religions are all in one category: superstitious gobbledygook that he just wishes would go away; and he doesn’t care to learn one bit of gobbedygook from another, what’s the point in wasting the time looking at them?

    • MaxSpaceman

      But the entire thing by Neil about Scienlyintology is cool. He’s saying the exact same thing the film is saying, the exact same thing Tony has been saying for years:

      We don’t care what you *believe.* We care what your behavior is. It’s the desctructive behavior that is the entire objection to Scientology. Zero objection about beliefs.

      • Sergeant Pepper

        He never said this:It’s the desctructive behavior that is the entire objection to Scientology. That’s my objection.

        • MaxSpaceman

          right- I see. No, he didn’t say diddly about their behavior.

          • Sergeant Pepper

            That really jacked my tone arm. I see TonyO tweeted him as well as media_lush. I’m ok now.

            • MaxSpaceman

              I feel ya’, Sarge.

    • http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk/ media_lush

      my tweet to him

      • Sergeant Pepper

        Yes. i am offended and I can only imagine how victims of this cult must feel when they see Neil saying “I don’t care what the tenets are of Scientology. They don’t distract me. I don’t judge them, and I don’t criticize them.”

      • Mymy88

        Amen brothah! Oh and this is unrelated but thank you for… you know… the thing… the thing you told me not to put on Facebook lol. You are awesome!

    • Juicer77

      He’s just saying that defining what is a religion is terribly difficult. Would be interested to hear if he sees the movie and his thoughts about the human rights abuses.

    • Sergeant Pepper

      Max, juicer, snake, my friends, I can read. It doesn’t bother you that it parallels the church’s line? “They don’t distract me. I don’t judge them, and I don’t criticize them.” I can’t stomach it.

    • Kerf

      He would probably have a more jaded perspective on the subject if he realized that “controlling what people think” say, do, and with whom they associate, is one of their chief beliefs and practices. I forgive him for not knowing what we know, he should educate himself a bit before he answers a question like that again, even if it was out of the blue.

      • Sergeant Pepper

        Like Judith said “it’s a pitfall”. Perhaps he will take media_lush’s tweet seriously.

      • Kerf

        It also goes to show that even someone as intelligent as he is, can still find themselves vulnerable to the cult’s propaganda campaign. This is why we press on in protest.

    • scottmercer

      Wow, when I got up this morning I had no inkling I would be saying this, but Neil DeGrasse Tyson is uneducated. About Scientology, at least. He keeps talking about belief in that article, but the problem most critics of Scientology have is not what they believe in, but their actions, which constitute crimes. Putting on the cloak of religion doesn’t give you a free pass from crimes. Well, it shouldn’t.

      • Mymy88

        I am going to send Neil a Facebook message about that. I’ll let you know if he replies. He’s so damn fine.. oooops, that slipped out. Sorry.

    • Frodis73

      So disappointed about this. I can only hope he seriously knows *nothing* except the Xenu stuff. He needs to watch GC asap.

      • Mymy88

        Oh hai Frodis. I sent you a private message a few days ago. Did you get it? In the message I asked if I was correct in assuming the message was private (it was on some other social network I saw you on). But my handle is not Mymy88 in the message I sent to you.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I am astonished that someone as intelligent as Neil deGrasse Tyson would fall into the equivalency argument with Scientology. This is particularly vexing in light of his previous comment about belief in the same interview– that it implies you feel something is true without evidence.

      What NDGT apparently does not know is that Scientology is represented as a true science. The guy in the robe with cracker believes in the supernatural. Most religious people do, and that is precisely why most of them don’t go around trying to convince people that their beliefs can be established by science. But L. Ron Hubbard and his followers state, plainly, that Scientology is a reliable and verifiable scientific system for understanding the human mind. The story of Xenu and the slaughtered aliens is not presented as a myth or parable– it is reported by LRH as an historical event, the results of which resonate in the world today.

      Anyone is welcome to deplore religion, or support religion, or ignore it altogether. But please, don’t promulgate the idea that they are all equivalent.

    • Captain MustSavage

      My sense was that he’s taking scientology at face value as a religion and speaking about principles. His principles are fine and he does add a statement about ‘as long as things don’t impinge on others rights etc. The problem is that scientology’s Xenu beliefs, weird but what the hell, are indivisible from all of the morally reprehensible policies and practices that normal decent human beings are concerned about. The uninitiated, as Neil certainly appears to be, are unlikely to know that. Neil needs to watch Going Clear and factor that in the next time he’s asked.

  • Juicer77

    Forgive if a repeat… another TC tabloid cover today about how long he’s been away from Suri.

    • Snake Plissken

      Suri is an SP

      • Ella Raitch

        Maybe Suri has decided he is an SP?

    • BlondesAreDumb

      Thank goodness!

  • Kerf

    OT: As I was reading Tony’s comment concerning his new readership, I began thinking about his verifiable statistics compared to Scientology’s mad, math methods and I was reminded of a comment I recently read by someone defending the study and practice of Scientology. This person implied, in essence, that if you use good communication skills and are good at relationships, then you are practicing Scientology. I thought that was a hinky concept because that would be like saying if you didn’t work on Saturday and never ate pork you were practicing Judaism. Has anyone ever heard them make this claim before and, is that one way that they justify their lie of “millions of Scientologists, by claiming that “most people use it on a daily basis without even knowing it?” Just curious if anyone else has encountered that belief.

    • Judith Sylvester

      Yes, that is actually quite common, to say that being a good person in the way of kindness and altruism is the approximation of being a good Christian. It is obvious from your comment that you are more astute than that.

      • Kerf

        Very nearly the same analogy, however, a “good Christian” would be kind and altruistic just by definition of “good,” so it’s not really an approximation as it is equal. “Good” in terms of kindness and altruism equals “good.” My point is that a “good person” doesn’t have to practice Christianity in order to be “good.” A person doesn’t have to be a Scientologist in order to be adept in communication. But I think you understood what I was saying anyway, so I’ll just stop being so pedantic about it. 😉

    • Room 101

      Hubbard said something along the lines of “Scientology principles will reach society before Scientology actually gets to them as an organization.” He was basically saying that the principles of ARC, Tone Scale, Anatomy of a problem, etc., would start being accepted and used before people actually knew where it came from. This made me and others in the church believe that if people had figured out something like, “The Secret”, for example, we would think that it was basically someone who stole Hubbard’s tech on postulates and rebranded it as vibrating and manifesting what you want, calling it “The Secret”.

      • Kerf

        Thank you for that explanation! That gave me a bit more insight to what that person was saying. Simply ridiculous!

  • Ella Raitch

    Scientology celebrities – those who really know how to communicate – are only able to refer obliquely to this onslaught, with non-specific references to prejudice and bigotry.

    Get a fucking clue Marisol!

    (yeah, I know – adds nothing to the conversation – but just had to get that out. The arrogance, the conceit, the protection of one’s own precious bloddy ego in the face of terrible abusive behaviours. I really want the proverbial steam roller to go over these D-list dilettantes)

    • nukethevolcano

      Its almost as if they are receiving talking points from someone…

    • Baby

      I”m lost.. Marisol?

      Edit..: Duh.. Forgot it was in Tony’s post.. xox

      • Robert Eckert

        Glance back up at Tony’s photo addenda to the post.

  • bromo

    Just home and had to share that I finally saw Going Clear today. I had grands to handle while watching, so I know I will watch a few more times to really get to take it all in, but I was blown away by how masterfully it was done. Kudos to Alex Gibney for bringing this to life as he did and to all those in it, watching you speak the words, not just reading them, made all the difference. There were tears shed. Just so powerful.

    • Ella Raitch

      I just saw it last night and like you had….distractions. Things that really stuck out for me that might not have been mentioned elsewhere – or at least which I haven’t seen buried in the moment of material

      1) The change in crowd size between the “war is over” and the IAS tent function in Clearwater – so obvious – and they think they’re expanding ffs
      2) Loved the focus on the street sign near Big Blue “L Ron Hubbard Wy” (reads as L Ron Hubabrd Why?)

      • bromo

        The downward shift in the crowd size is something I remember noticing in particular. I wonder if that was an eye catch for most others as well?

        • Robert Eckert

          What struck my mom was how worn Miscavige looked in the later vid.

          • Baby

            What did your mama think Robert? Have you shared with her a lot?

            • Robert Eckert

              She knew I spent a lot of time on the Bunker, but she’d never been very curious about it. She and I watched with my friend Jim who was visiting from Boston, part of a “triumvirate” with a third friend Dom who was love-bombed for a few hours by the Scientologists in Columbus Ohio (Dom bought a Hubbard book to get out of there, but managed not to give them an address; his funniest story was about the big cheese at their little meeting telling a lame joke, and everybody going HA! HA! HA! for the same precise interval and then stopping). It was odd to me that some of the things that struck them were things we’ve come to take for granted: mom noted how very white the group was, and later commented about how many of them had blue eyes; Jim was appalled by the overboarding; both thought Jason Beghe a riot when he said things “you know all Scientologists are full of shit when they put on the happy talk…” The Nuremberg-rally aesthetics put mom in mind of some of the more grandiose CEO’s of bigshot companies (she hates Jack Welch, who ran GE into the ground, for example). The final sequence with Sara Goldberg mourning the last conversation with her daughter was really upsetting and mom said she wished she hadn’t seen that– but she watched it again Monday, and then again on Tuesday.

            • Kerf

              I have a sibling who lives in Columbus and once made the comment that those Scientologists seemed to be very happy; they were always smiling. I said they don’t have any other choice than to appear that way…

            • Robert Eckert

              They haven’t shown up on the Craigslist ads since a couple way back when the Red X project first came to the Bunker. Wonder if the Org there is finally drying up.

            • Baby

              awww that is sweet that you watched it all together..

              and I bet Sara’s story did tug at her heart..Good for Mama watching it 2 more times.. Wow.

              You can fill her in as news is presented if you think she would be interested! thanks Robert

  • MaxSpaceman

    OT. One of my big boys, my kitteh

    • Wogsy Wonka

      Super cute!

      • MaxSpaceman

        24 lbs I guess maybe 11 kilos

        • Wogsy Wonka

          What are you feeding him? Dog food? Looks like he’s ready to box. Cute though.

          • MaxSpaceman

            his belly is so gargantuan that he lays on his back and dangles his paws. just coincidental he looks like he’s ready to box. they’re just dangling

            • Wogsy Wonka

              Awwww

            • MaxSpaceman

              He has a big heart full of love :)

    • beauty for ashes

      I want to smoooosh that kitteh. I seriously want to pick him up and ask him “why are you so cute?” I love full figured cats. The better to smoosh with.
      (smoosh is an affectionate term used between some of my friends, I don’t know if it is universal slang, but it means to hold or cuddle, also used as a term of endearment ,”Hi smooshies!”)

      • MaxSpaceman

        He’s the greatest smoosher.! He is so huge. I lubs my big boy.

        • Wogsy Wonka

          He has a pretty boy sweet babyface. Adorbz.

          • beauty for ashes

            look at that little nose:)

            • Wogsy Wonka

              I know…Uber cute kitteh ; )

            • MaxSpaceman

              cutie pie little nose :)

            • Mymy88

              Awwww… you have another pretty kitteh! Oh oh, it’s one of those robo kitties. But only half a robo because she only has one robo eye lol.

            • MaxSpaceman

              nope- it’s just a trick of the light; I used a flash on the shot and this is the output.

            • Mymy88

              I know that! lol I was just kidding.

          • Mymy88

            Hi Wogsy Wonka! Adorbz… that’s a new one on me. I like it lol.

        • beauty for ashes

          I want a fat kitteh NOW! uh oh ,its unleashing the beast………. BEAUTY SMOOOOOSH!!!!!

    • Mymy88

      So sweeeet! Here’s my Coco cuddling with her sissy Kiki. Dey lubs each udder.

    • Baby

      Good Lord.. What a big boy..I love him..awwwwwwwww.. I love fat cats..( Not that he is fat..) hahaha.. adorable..xo

      • Mymy88

        Hi Smoking baby! Awww… I saw a picture of you that was posted here the other day. You look just as sweet and cute as I imagined. You look like a damn teenager. Well, you are young at heart, that’s for sure, so why shouldn’t you look young! Right? lol

        • Baby

          It was the light 88 ..haha..

          My grandkids are always stealing my clothes when they see me. It’s not that I want to look younger. I am just a blue jean/ hoody baby..( thank you..)

          • MaxSpaceman

            You *do* look way younger than your published age, Kiddo.

            • Baby

              Jeezeee.. thanks you guys..I’m glad I came back..hahaha

              I felt like 105 when I was doing dishes, bussing tables, carrying racks of glasses and taking out the garbage!

            • Mymy88

              Wow, that is a lot! Those glass racks are HEAVY. I bet the garbage was too. Shoo.

          • Mymy88

            LOL hoody smoking baby with a big heart!

            • Baby

              Hahaha..

            • FromPolandWithLove

              Good Morning Baby :):):). Today is my BIG day :):) I’m going to buy Polish edition of Lawrence Wright’s Going clear !

            • Baby

              Woo Hoo Poland.. You will love it.. I wasn’t able to put it down! Enjoy honey

        • Baby

          You know 88.. When I was 40 I cut my hair really short, because you know ” They said that older women past 40 shouldn’t wear their hair long..”

          Who is They? and why should they care that long hair can look great at any age.. Jeeze..

          • Mymy88

            That’s right!

    • Baby

      OK I can’t take it.. ” GIMMIE DAT FAT KITTEH! “

      • MaxSpaceman

        I know I know ! my kitteh is so Huge and Fat ! He’s so heavy if he comes onto my chest while I’m laying down, I start laughing – cuz I can’t breathe!! Lolol :)

        • Baby

          I had a Main Coon that weighed 28 pds.. Trust me I know.. She wasn’t a snuggler at all..I rescued her and she spent most of the time under the bed ( She was 11) ..

          • MaxSpaceman

            Big ol’ thing. Such love bundles.

          • Mymy88

            Awwww, that’s sad. I guess she was one of those scaredy cats. But at least she was fed and warm so I’m sure she was fine and happy. She just felt better living in her little under the bed bubble.

            • Baby

              Oh she was so loved.. Maggie.. she would lay on the bed with me for awhile and then jump off to cuddle under the bed on her blankie.. She didn’t want us to fuss over her..but she LOVED her food..

            • Mymy88

              OH well if she would lay on the bed with you then she was not a scaredy cat. That under the bed with her blanky stuff was just her thing. Every cat has a quirky little thing they like to do. My Kiki has a black rubber Halloween spider she carries everywhere with her, in her mouth, and plays with it a lot. She even sleeps on top of it. I think she’s a little obsessed with it actually. I think she may have a touch of OCD. lol

    • Mymy88

      Now, I don’t want to be rude. I’m not doing this to top you MaxSpaceman,
      or anything, but you don’t know fat cat until you’ve seen my neighbor’s
      cat that I was sitting for at the time. His name is Kit Kat and I loves him too. lol

    • Baby

      Just Hearsayed Goliath cat.. I love this story.. A stray cat went through the doggy door and got food out of the bag and just pigged out until finally it got so fat it got stuck in the door..haha I would have loved to have adopted him!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eLIMc4khe0

      • MaxSpaceman

        Och! I woulda taken him home with me instantly upon seeing hims. :)

        • Baby

          Can you imagine finding him stuck in your doggy door? hahahhahha so chubby cute..

      • Mymy88

        That was a very cute very interesting looking kitteh lol. That face was something else.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Sleep time, Bunkeroos. Love hanging out witchoo’all. Ciao ~

  • Sarah James

    I know who can find these women. Tom Cruise knows who they are. So Tom Cruise, why not get off your privileged ass and get them to answer questions? You spend time at the Paris Scientology covens. Call out Juliette Wagner-Quercia, Elizabeth Haley, Danielle Ambert.
    Do some good for the family of Gloria Lopez.

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    Y’all supposed to be sleeping. What the hell

    • FromPolandWithLove

      Good Morning Dodo :):):) Greeting from windy Poland ( windy as hell )

      • Baby

        Awww Windy..ugh.. night Poland..xoxo love you too

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        Good Morning, Poland! :)

    • Baby

      Night Dodo.. We is watchin kittehs xo

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        Don’t good night me, Baby :)

        • Baby

          xooox

    • Mymy88

      I can sleep late tomorrow! Yes!!!!

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        Nice :)

  • MaxSpaceman

    Very good indicators (VGIs) (:->)

  • Hingle McCringleberry

    Quick reminder:
    – Objecting to exploitation is not bigotry. Labeling it as such is simply a logical fallacy (the false dichotomy).
    – Disagreement is not bias.
    – Opposition to method or actions is not prejudice.
    – T-shirts are not evidence of baby raping. (sorry, Jenna. Had to go there. Google it.)

    • Mockingbird

      Mr McCringleberry sir , Scientologists reject all logic and critical thinking as Ron Hubbard informed them that logic outside of his data series will drive you mad if you try to study it . They know with blinding certainty that their simplicities will always trump your complexities – like critical thinking . They hope you will stop dramatizing , come to present time and guzzle the kool aid . They find it quite refreshing . Seriously I have tried to point out fallacies to independent Scientologists dozens of times and been about as well receieved as DM would be here . They just hop from genetic to ad hominem to appeal to authority ( their own or Hubbard) to another and another . They have no clue Hubbard implanted them to think in fallacies he could control .

  • xnusgod

    Has anyone tried contacting https://www.skadden.com/professionals/fred-t-goldberg-jr Fred Goldberg who caved when he was at the IRS? He should provide pro-bono legal work FOR ex-scientologists in light of all the damage his weak “leadership” caused.

  • RBE
    • Missionary Kid

      I checked the date.

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      Ha! Interesting.

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    It was probably posted before, but not enough.

    Scientologists Are Not Jews in the Holocaust
    http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2015/03/31/scientologists-are-not-jews-in-the-holocaust/

    • Baby

      Thanks Do.. I had not seen it before.. So many posts so little time!

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+** RED X ** +–+ RED X *** Wednesday the 1st of April
    Good morning Early Birds and Night Owls,
    Yesterday’s removals: Toronto, Nashville, Ny and Sac managed a shy performance.

    Consider joining this petition to revoke co$ tax exempt status: https://www.change.org/p/i-r-s-revoke-the-tax-exempt-status-of-the-church-of-scientology
    NolaGirl is pointing us to this one as well : https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/revoke-scientologys-tax-exempt-status
    If you have evidence of co$ malfeasance see J Swift Money Project: http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/04/18/time-to-13909-the-church-of-scientology/

    New / Revised / improved RedX tips : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-119#post-2525027
    RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    FREELOADER Debt is ILLEGAL and CAN’T BE ENFORCED.
    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

    (F5, …for) Warlord Biker by Michal Kus enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, and
    flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/15887764060/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Pierrot

      Here is a chart showing the trend of removals by days and regions for the month of March.
      Note that as in the best tradition of the co$ there is no scale shown on the Y axis, we do not want to give away too much info to Tony Chen and our OSA friends!
      North California (Red) has been doing very well, Tampa (Blue) has hit a bad patch after outstanding results in January & February.
      I am told that the Big Pharma check is in the post!

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    I am biased, but Tom Cruisers new trailer really sucks, imo.

    • 1subgenius

      Yeah, but the promo tour is going to be EPIC!!!!

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        Heh.

        • 1subgenius

          I’m not sure if it will be better if they ask him, or if they don’t.
          Just seeing him will be psychedelic.
          (sorry, I couldn’t think of a good word to describe this)

  • 1subgenius

    Was there any helpful information generated about the Scientologist absconders?

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      Absconders is not in a Tech dictionary.

      • 1subgenius

        Their absence is an indication of guilt. The French can’t possibly be thinking of letting them get away with this.

        • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

          I hope you are right. Their lawyers might disagree.

      • Mark Foster

        Is YSCOHB in the new tech dick-shun-ary?

      • 1subgenius

        Abscondingness?
        Exteriorize the country?

  • Missionary Kid

    In response to Going Clear, the weekly newsletter of Skeptic magazine, reprinted an article done by Michael Shermer from 2011 “Scientology, Is it a Cult?” http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/15-04-01/

    • Mark Foster

      Thanks, MK, that was a well-written article. :)

  • 1subgenius

    Today’s post will be a joke?

    • Missionary Kid

      Well, $cientology is a really bad, evil, joke.

    • Baby

      What chew mean Jellybean?

      • 1subgenius

        Because it’s April Fools Day.

  • 1subgenius

    I always thought he was an ass:
    Neil deGrasse Tyson Defends Scientology—and the Bush Administration’s Science Record
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/31/neil-degrasse-tyson-defends-scientology-and-the-bush-administration-s-science-record.html

    Hasn’t seen the movie, appears unaware of all of the abuses. Just goes on the old “it’s a religion, freedom of speech” crap.
    Asshat. Attention whore.

  • Baby

    Damn it.. I can’t sleep errrrrrrrrrrgh

    • 1subgenius

      Read Dianetics.

      • Baby

        Uh.. I mean ugh.. I don’t want to vomit..I want to sleep..

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        Clear Chapter is the best fairy tale.

    • 1subgenius

      This is a recurring problem, no?
      I’m sure you get advice all the time, so I’ll refrain.
      Have you seen a doctor?

      • Baby

        Yes.. I want so bad to be a day person, but I keep reverting back to my night owl times.. ; /

        It is my natural sleep cycle.. sigh.. I’ll just give into it like I always do.. thanks sub..

  • Richard Grant

    Good morning, early shift! Or is the very late-night shift for many folks?

    • Mark Foster

      It´s 16 minutes after noon here(GMT)…Hi, Richard!

  • BiigBangBaby

    Jimmy…er, I mean Bodhi, like when L Wrong says Christianity evolved from an R6 implant? Whatever the hell that means. Or how about when Tubbard claimed “Jesus, in addition to being a lover of young boys and men. he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred”?

    Those are some pretty nice things to say about someone’s religion.

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    I think we can help out with of of the persons quoted in the article, one can be spotted by police investigation
    some information might be useful for justice
    I do not give further information there ,but the police investigation is pretty close to get one out of three people involved

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    hey osa operators how’s the job by now ?
    overtime you are working twice harder for peanuts ?

  • SJFriedl

    Ok, I don’t get it. My soon-to-be-wife checked out Scientology briefly while in college maybe 30 years ago, no contact since, could have been 10 address changes in the meantime, and she *still* gets postal mail from them, but Scientology can’t locate recent actual church employees? Really?

    But I did have fun filling in COB’s name and address (at Gold Base) to the business-reply form asking for more information on The Basics :-)

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    maybe in australia and marc the biker taking care of them ?

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    one is defeniely in southern france

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    into an hole somewhere ?

  • DB Cooper

    Danielle Amber lives on the island of Aruba, easy to spot her, small place. Have french investigators been to Aruba?