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Scientology posts the (nearly) full deposition of reclusive ‘Justice Chief’ Mike Ellis

Mike Ellis [Photo by Doug Owens]

Mike Ellis [Photo by Doug Owens]

Our fevered brain is still keeping us hunkered down in the Bunker. The cats are mixing up some nasty-smelling elixirs they swear will make us well. We think they just enjoy seeing us suffer.

Anyway, we only have energy for another short post today, and we apologize if it only appeals to the truly hardcore in the Scientology watching community. But we understand that for many former members of the Church of Scientology, there’s a big fascination for a man named Mike Ellis, who holds the position of “International Justice Chief” of the Church of Scientology International.

When a member is “declared” a “suppressive person” — excommunicated, essentially — all other members of Scientology have to cut off all ties to the “SP” or risk being declared suppressive themselves. By Scientology policy, the only person an SP can communicate with in the church is the International Justice Chief, or one of his “continental” subordinates.

You might get in touch with the IJC to discuss having a “committee of evidence” to overturn your declare, or you might demand money back that you put on account and no longer have use of.

Former members have received some hilariously cynical letters back from the IJC — as we showed with this classic “Catch-22” faced by South African former member Robert Berrington. Berrington was told that to get a refund, he needed to fill out a particular form, but the form was only available inside an “org,” and since he was declared, he couldn’t get access to one. Amazing.

Berrington’s letter came up during the January 29 deposition of Ellis in the Garcia federal fraud lawsuit. Garcia attorney Ted Babbitt questions Ellis about what appears to be a crucial error in Scientology paperwork. Members are required to sign “enrollment forms” that make them promise to take their grievances to “binding arbitration.” But the rest of Scientology’s “ethics” policies don’t mention arbitrations at all. And Ellis has to admit that in the time he’s been IJC since 1998, there hasn’t been a single arbitration in the history of the church.

Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder had testified that the “arbitration” clause in the enrollment form was always meant to be a sham, and the church never had any intention of hearing grievances that way. But now, Scientology is trying to force the Garcias into arbitration as if it were a legitimate alternative to civil court.

If you’re an ex-member and you’ve thought about suing over funds on account, you’ll probably want to read this deposition. For the rest of you, it’s hard for us to judge. Our brain is too fevered up. One more note: There are some redactions here, because it was Scientology itself that filed this deposition, but they seem to be minor.

 

Garcia v. Scientology: Mike Ellis Deposition Part 1

 
Mike Ellis Deposition Part 2
Mike Ellis Deposition Part 3
Mike Ellis Deposition Part 4

 
We’re also going to include a deposition by Sherman Lenske, mainly because that’s a name that tends to get some former Scientologists in a tizzy. Unfortunately, it’s just a small portion of the deposition.

 
Sherman Lenske deposition (partial)

 
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‘Going Clear’ tickets are on sale

Hey, don’t miss out on one of these screenings at Lincoln Center. If enough people go, we have a feeling the showings will be extended into a second week.

The Presidio Theater in San Francisco is now featuring ‘Going Clear’ on its website. And the Hollywood Arclight is now showing times for the movie.

Also, for our friends in France (hey, Jonny Jacobsen!) Gibney tells us that Canal Plus has obtained the rights to show ‘Going Clear’ in that country.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 6, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Panopea Abrupta

    What a day at the Bunker – Mike Ellis and Sherman Lenske offer up enough lies to generate a thousand posts,
    Tony nails it on the radio and Larry Wright crucifies ’em on Maher.
    Good times.
    The Chinese Year of the Sheeple is truly with us.
    It’s not all black and white but it is looking bad for Co$

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Very baaaaaaaaad.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Ah, I just refreshed. Didnt know there was a pic. Bright eyes .. fresh face. Precious.

    • Baby

      Beautiful little baby girl..

      • Panopea Abrupta

        Shit, I thought you’d like my zebra 🙂
        It’s a guy, the sweetest 5 and a half year old – he is gorgeous, the light of my life.

        • Baby

          How absolutely adorable baby boy.. Oops.. How cute..Of course I love the zebra Pan..but I miss my Grandbabies..xoxoxox

        • beauty for ashes

          Is it okay that I really like the wood moldings best? Oh and the door, gorgeous door.

        • sookiesookie

          He IS gorgeous! And stripes are so him. 🙂

    • noseinabk

      He is bueatiful Pan.

    • aegerprimo

      What a cutie!

    • Zana

      Where do I get to see Larry Wright on Maher?!!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        HBO

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I hope this doesn’t actually apply to anyone but I’m gonna throw this out there as another theory…

    I’ve heard that the “casting couch” can be a resource available to both actors and actresses in Hollywood. If a
    straight aspiring actor had engaged in gay sex for a chance at stardom, possibly they might later come to regret it and even be haunted by it (having been raised Catholic). This could possibly be the type of memories that someone would want to unburden themselves of, in an auditing session – only to forever worry that this data could be used against them by the church.

    And in this situation, it would be correct for them to still identify as being straight.

    • Super Power Wogsy

      This could possibly be the type of memories that someone would want to
      unburden themselves of, in an auditing session – only to forever worry
      that this data could be used against them by the church

      NAILED IT!!!

    • Baby

      Yep… Not uncommon in the Biz..

  • Donna Cline Sargent

    Does anyone know if you can get HBO on the internet only?All I can find is that I have to have cable in order to get it. soooo bummed !

    • aegerprimo

      No. You have to subscribe. You can do HBO GO online, but there is a price for that as well.
      http://www.hbogo.com/

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Paging Artoo, we got some extra tickets anybody seen him? If Anybody sees him could you have him get a

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      He is down thread just a bit.

    • Super Power Wogsy

      he’s here down below!

      • Up . . . the . . . thread.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Don’t look down!

          • No shit. It’s scary up here in the thousands . . . I hope I didn’t step on Interglactic Walrus’ flipper . . .

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Naw, that was just ol liver lips!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              you guys are cracking me up!!

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Has anbody seen Artoo? If so can you have him get a hold of me. We got a bunch of tickets!

    • Here I am! What’s up!

    • I’ll check in here again, but you can leave me an email at artoofortyfive at gmail dot com. I’ll be checking that.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        justa sec

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Did you get it?

          • Ella Raitch

            You two definitely need to get a room ;p

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i am rofl!

            • Ella Raitch

              It’s like Cathy and Heathcliff!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Yeah is there a ,”QI” around bugs and all?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Sorry was making,Carbonara.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Did you get it? my email?

        • Mmmmmmmmm. Carbonara.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            It was a hit. I think those Cinnabon things are 100% calories from fat. Carbonara is a close second. Mmmmmm

  • BigMcLargeHuge

    Heh, my wife was asking me for clarification on the Xenu business because she saw Wright on Maher. My 10 year old was there listening and declared it the “stupidest thing he had ever heard”

    • Are_sics

      Well, he’s young… wait till he hears the original OTVIII material. I’m not saying it’s stupider, but it might be. It begins with some really astounding self-eulogizing by the old blowhard. I was disappointed that the words “very space opera” do not reappear, however.

      • Robert Eckert

        Wright did begin “in a galaxy far, far away…”

        • Are_sics

          Hah! Hi-larious. I haven’t seen the Maher yet. I meant I was disappointed that the old blowhard did not announce “very space opera” in the OTVIII material though. (In fairness, it’s not nearly as space-opera as OTIII. It’s more “The Omen XIV”).

          • Robert Eckert

            Ah, I misunderstood. But I gather that the new OTVIII is more bland.

            • beauty for ashes

              Less sodium.

            • Are_sics

              Yes, “New” OTVIII was well anodized. George White/Witek’s book may be interesting to you. But you can catch up pretty readily with Tony Ortega… here: http://tonyortega.org/2014/06/24/up-the-bridge-we-finally-reach-ot-8-but-was-its-first-version-really-a-hoax/

              Still, that article doesn’t contain my favorite self-eulogizing lines by the Great Author.

            • Robert Eckert

              I was referring to the new OTVIII, which removed all the interesting stuff.

            • Are_sics

              Agreed — that’s what I called “anodized”. The original is linked, now — thanks to Lurkness’ web-fu and Mockingbird hosting it!

        • Mymy88

          “in a gal-AX-y far, far away”… eewww, I’ll never get the sound of Hubbard saying that out of my head.

          Or I like this one, I call it a Rinder… “con-TRA-ve-sy”… Hello? You put the accent on the wrong syllable and you left out the “R”. I’m kidding. I love the Aussie’s accent, but it’s supposed to be… “CON-tro-ver-sy”. I’m kidding again! I’m such a trouble maker lol.

          • beauty for ashes

            I hate when people mispronounce Marty Rathbun’s name. Rath-bone, Rath burn, It’s Wrath-Bun!

            • Are_sics

              “Wrath Bun”. Thank you for that. I don’t mind the mispronunciations at all, but I’m glad they inspired this phrase of correction. Sounds like something Tom Waits would say.

              “Don’t go near her, she’s serving up Wrath Buns today!”

          • Mymy88

            I promise, I promise, I promise this is very funny lol.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4vf8N6GpdM

          • Ella Raitch

            Hey – it was con-TRA-ver-sy when Prince sang it!

            • Mymy88

              What song? I don’t remember that.

            • Ella Raitch

              It was called….con-TRA-ver-sy

              Man – am I too old?

              http://youtu.be/r7dlEH82dCg

            • sookiesookie

              No, you just sent me into a Proustian revery with that reference. Listening now: http://www.80svideos.tv/play.php?vid=163

            • Ella Raitch

              You reference to Proust and 80’s music videos wins you 100 internets

            • Mymy88

              uuuh, you made me have to look up the definition of Proustian. I hate when I have to do that because I’m lazy. But it is a cool word. I think I saw it recently somewhere else.

            • sookiesookie

              No, you’re free – you’re allowed to go past M/Us if you want to. 😉

            • Mymy88

              Ha ha. There comes a time when you’ve seen a word you don’t understand so many times, it becomes more annoying not to know what it means, than to make the effort to look it up. I mean my god! You have to click… what???… 2 or 3 times? Oh those touch pad clicks can be so exhausting.

              But yes, I am gloriously free to decide for myself, when I want something bad enough to make the effort to obtain it. I am grateful for this. In $cien, it seems the goal is to get you to the point where you go along with being told what to want, when to want, and why to want, anything, period. Especially if you have money or you are deemed good Sea Org material.

            • Mymy88

              No no, you’re not old. I saw Prince in concert.. I guess it was about 1984. I missed that song somehow. I loved a lot of his songs.

            • MrsLurksALot

              No, you are not too old. God, I love Prince.

      • Lurkness

        Is this the OTVIII version you were thinking of:

        http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/03/ot-viii-anti-christ-version.html

        • Are_sics

          Nice link! Yes, one and the same. I hadn’t seen it online before.

          (Though I think Witek contextualizes it a bit better, or less facilely, regarding the Crowley connection).

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Tell your wife you will tell her all about XENU…..but first you have to handcuff her to a briefcase.

      • . . . on a ship.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          … and pawns all her jewelry.

          • Yeah, but . . . . magic beans!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Big toxic Catamoron of ron.

    • I’d love to sit between him and my 90 year-old mom watching Going Clear. I think the commentary would be priceless.

      • aegerprimo

        I would love to see how you would weave an experience like that into your Target 2 chronicles.

        • Super Power Wogsy

          where are the target 2 chronicles.

          • Dancing Cranberry

            http://allmestup.blogspot.ca

            Our Artoo45 is a fabulous writer!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              oooooh. SAVED! Thanks DC. : )

            • I’m typing as fast as I can, but the Bunker keeps distracting me, oh, and work and Butch Pansy . . .

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i know what you mean! i can’t find the lurkness link to the SFam interview!

            • Lurkness

              Tony’s radio interview with Gil Gross this evening is now up!

              http://www.iheart.com/show/The

              Also can find on this page bottom right box, hit play if says 3/6/15 hr 3. Don’t have to log into iheart radio this way.
              http://www.talk910.com/onair/gil-gross-48467

              Tony starts at 17:45 minutes into the 32min broadcast segment.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              ahhhh! you are amazing! thx lurk!

            • Robert Eckert

              On this page, click on “Hr3”: http://www.iheart.com/show/The-Gil-Gross-Program/

            • Draco

              I have just started reading your Target 2 Chronicles, Artoo. Highly entertaining and a real page turner! You should get it published as a book.
              For those of you who haven’t read it yet, try it out. But I’m warning you – say goodbye to any other plans you had for the day!

          • aegerprimo
            • Super Power Wogsy

              hahah. all messed up : )

  • Satansthetan

    Ok, finally got my tickets for the 13th at 8pm, turns out the bank had “frozen” my credit card for some crazy reason, so no evil Scientology conspiracy…….THIS time. Hope to see some Of you SP’s there!!

  • romanesco

    Disqus has gone entirely flooey. They need to roll back to the previous version of their software from before the latest upgrade. At least it was semi-functional then.

    • chukicita

      Disqus is redisquslous.

  • Zana

    I sure missed you guys this morning!! When you all didn’t show up I MISSED my Bunkeroos and Bunkerettes!! Glad you guys are here now and have made up for it with over 1200 comments. 🙂

  • Vanfan

    HBO Canada released this tweet “Tonight’s live episode of Real Time with Bill Maher is unavailable. Please tune in next week for a new episode.” Speculation is because Lawrence Wright is appearing and HBO Canada fearful of litigation.

    • Mymy88

      hmm, very interesting.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I like to make up clammy words.

        • beauty for ashes

          electropsychometress

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Lets borrow a copy and have our own SP didemination to our friends in Canada!

    • Ella Raitch

      I responded to their tweet asking them if Scientology has their balls

  • First Last

    I am outside North America and would like to watch Bill’s take on going clear. is there an uploaded version on line, before it is taken down ?

  • Henri Arouet

    I am so sorry for you but things will get better.

    • beauty for ashes

      Do you mean about Tony and his nasty flu?

  • Super Power Wogsy

    Pee-Ka-Boo! : )

    • Newiga

      I see you! Well, actually I don’t but I wanted to say Hi! 🙂

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    • Newiga

      I’ve just discovered Zac’s videos and I’ve enjoyed them a lot so far. So Zac, if you are reading this, keep up the good work!

  • Richard Grant

    Morning, Bunkeroos! It’s 12.5°F on this stretch of the coast of Maine. Clear skies and the daughter is in town from balmy southern New England. I hope Tony’s feeling better.

    • 1subgenius

      Enjoy the visit.

      • Richard Grant

        Thanks!

    • Good morning, Richard!

      • Richard Grant

        Thanks Dodo. Good to see you poised to jump all over today’s post.

  • Sumei FitzGerald

    Wow! I think this questioning was done really well. The testimony makes CSI’s arbitration process so evidently fraudulent that I can’t see how their stance can hold, either as an internal religious practice or any other kind of agreement.

  • flyonthewall

    Muster and overboarding