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Scientology Excommunication: Documents the Church Usually Keeps Under Wraps

We want to thank Robert Berrington, a South African reader, who sent us some rare documents — records of his own Scientology excommunication.

Berrington learned that at the end of last year he was “declared a suppressive person” by the church — in other words, he’d been kicked out, and all church members who want to remain in good standing will be forced to now “disconnect” from him or risk being declared themselves.

We have copies of Berrington’s “declare,” his responses to its charges, and also a letter from the church he recently received when he asked for a refund of money that he had on account for services that he cannot now use.

As Scientology continues to hemorrhage membership, more and more veteran church members (Berrington had joined in 1998 and was in for more than a decade) are learning that they’ve been declared SPs. But few, we find, end up with copies of their “goldenrod,” the official declaration itself. Sometimes, as in the case of Derek Bloch, a member who is being excommunicated will be asked to come down to the local org to look at the document in person, but cannot take home a copy.

But Berrington has his. And here’s what it looks like. (Berrington has his declare because a friend grabbed a copy of it that was posted at a Scientology church. Because of the dodgy image, we’ve typed up the actual words after each page.)

Church of Scientology in South Africa

Joburg Day Ethics Order #1476
Dec 30, 2011



Robert Berrington of Johannesburg, South Africa, is hereby declared a suppressive person and is expelled from the Church of Scientology pursuant to HCO PL 7 March 1965RB I, SUPPRESSIVE ACTS, SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS.

Robert has remained affiliated with persons who have been declared suppressive by HCO due to their squirrel and suppressive acts.

Robert has been attempting to covertly divert Scientologists in good standing to join this band of squirrels. He has refused any attempts by Church members to resolve matters with regards the Church and the applied philosophy of Scientology as founded by L. Ron Hubbard.

Robert has attempted to sell squirrel “services” to other public, in violation of the laws of the land, including trademark laws.

Robert is guilty of the following Suppressive Acts:







Any certificates that Berrington has are hereby canceled per HCO PL 7 March 1965II, CERTIFICATE CANCELLATION. Any licensing agreements he may have signed to use the marks of Dianetics and Scientology are cancelled as well. He may not use the marks in any manner whatsoever.

Should Robert come to his senses an recant, he is to do steps A to E as laid out in HCO PL 7 March 1965RB I, SUPPRESSIVE ACTS, SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS.

His only terminal is the International Justice Chief via the Continental Justice Chief.


Authorized by


Approved by

A couple of notes, if you’re not familiar with Scientology lingo…

— Although Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard died in 1986, the millions of words he left behind in books, lectures, and “policy letters” are still considered sacrosanct to his followers. So you’ll notice several references to Hubbard’s policies in the declare, identified as “HCO PL” — Hubbard Communication Office Policy Letters.

— As for “squirrels,” the church officials here are not actually referring to the small furry mammals. In Scientology-speak, a squirrel is someone who makes use of Hubbard’s “technology” outside of the official church. A big part of Scientology is making sure that Hubbard’s processes are used in a completely standard way — the way Ron intended it — and so altering those methods or using them outside official channels is forbidden. People who violate that rule are considered heretics and have to be punished.

We asked Berrington about the charges leveled against him, and he sent us this response…



Completely false, I want nothing to do with Scientology, or Hubbard. Where is their evidence that I did this? Why did they never call me to a “Committee of Evidence”?

What I did say to three Scientologists is that if they wanted to do Scientology outside of the confines of what is commonly called “corporate Scientology,” they could get all the Scientology policy and technical information off the Internet, and I told them that I had seen it all available there. I never tried to sell Scientology to them, or tried to set up my own Scientology group.


Same as above.


Correct, I did publically disavow Scientology, and I’m proud of it! I do find this clause a bit vague though, as it could apply to Scientology itself, or to a particular Scientologist.




True, although I do not know how they would know this. I think it was more of a guess on their part.

Besides which, if Scientology is about creating “total Freedom,” one should be free to communicate to whomever one wants to.


That last part “To save the organizations from the higher authorities of Scientology” sounds like something David Miscaviage added to a Hubbard quote in order to protect himself.

I have no desire to create a splinter group of Scientology. Like I said, I want nothing to do with Scientology, or Hubbard.

I did, however, have a desire for people to leave the cult at that time, and I actively tried to get them to leave.


Berrington tells us that he had spent more than $10,000 on services that he cannot use. He asked for a refund, but he recently received the following letter…

This is the same line that Scientology has been taking with the exodus of members who are leaving, as we’ve seen in cases like the Hoverson/Schippers lawsuit.

The church characterizes a refund as a religious matter, and do you see how clever that is? If you’ve left the church or been declared, you cannot get your money back without getting yourself back into good standing — but if you were in good standing, you wouldn’t want your money back.

In this case, the paradox is even more mind-boggling: The “International Justice Chief” tells Berrington that he cannot have a refund without filling out a particular form, but because he’s been declared a suppressive person, he can’t go into the org (the Scienotology church) in order to get the form.

It’s a genius Catch-22 that, so far, the church is getting away with.

But soon, we hear, there’s going to be a new court challenge that is going to zero in on this church scheme.

For now, however, we want to thank Rob Berrington for sharing with us these documents. We’ll have more about him and his journey in Scientology at another time.

Links of Note

There’s a very well-written rememberance of growing up in Scientology penned under the pseudonym “Stella Forstner” which was posted on Tuesday over at The Hairpin. It should be helpful in particular for those who were never in the church and have a hard time understanding its appeal.

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  • Thanks for this, Tony. The COS has always gotten away with their lies, by keeping this stuff secret. More dox on the web means less traction for their “shore stories”.

    • Claritysav

      The COS, representing the epitome of everything foul and disgusting in the human race-

      Doesn’t t every church excommunicate its members for copyright and licensing violations?

      Authorities do something about this group before an organization with serious power and resources uses the COS as a roadmap to do considerably more damage to society and our vaunted “rule of law” in the US.

      • Sherbet

        If this were a real religion, there would be some conciliatory message, like “we will continue to pray for you and hope for your return to the doctrines of the church.” Instead, this document is pure kangaroo court material. As usual with scn, it would be funny if it weren’t so unethical.

        • KimO’Brien

          you know …it never even crossed my mind to ask if scientologists prey . Is praying a part of it at all or is that frowned upon ?

          • KimO’Brien

            wait ..i know the “prey” ….like ON people …but do they “pray” for people ?

            • Sherbet

              That’s a good question (and a good pun)!

            • I believe they pray for new meat every Thursday at 1pm, got to keep those stats up!

          • flunk123

            You know, when I was an idiot Scientologist, I bowed my head and said a prayer once … suddenly a question formed in my mind -“why is this wrong?” And then, “why is there even a question? I went to church with my family as a child growing up … as I got older, I took a more materialist view of things due to my interest in science, but I never forgot where I came from. What has happened to me?”
            The fact that prayer seemed wrong caused the proverbial “cognitive dissonance”, of course … one of the things that caused me to drift away from it, and luckily not too long after I’d drifted into it.

            • KimO’Brien

              thank you for sharing that …

            • You know, when I was an idiot Scientologist

              You must not be an idiot Scientologist Flunk,…after all, you left!

          • Hey Kim,

            Scientologists don’t have a “praying”-like practice.

            They do have something called “postulating” which is basically a wish that will come true. It’s like having a thought that, “I want a new car.” And then you imagine what kind of car you want and then you go buy one and it will be the one you want. Really it’s just forming an objective and carrying it through but in Scientology it is assigned immense power. It’s kind of like a “positive thinking” philosophy.

            Hope and wishing are not part of Scientology and are frowned upon. Scientologists believe in the phrase “make it go right”. So you shouldn’t “hope” or “wish” for something to happen, rather you should “make it happen” no matter what the obstacles.

            It goes so far as the word “reasonable” is considered a curse word in Scientology. “Reasonable” means that you have a reason that something cannot be done when you are given an order to do something. You’re not allowed to have reasons not to do things. You are just supposed to “make them happen” no matter how unrealistic it is. This is why Sea Org members (like me) work until 2 in the morning 5 days a week and get up at 6 in the morning for work again all while skipping two out of three meals a day.

            Scientologists believe that Christianity is the result of alien hypnotism and that Christianity is bad. So they typically don’t pray in the Christian sense of the word on their own, but in order to fit in religious groups they may awkwardly pretend to pray. Occasionally you will find them refusing to pray because it is too foreign to them.

            • KimO’Brien

              well …that was a great sum up . Thank you ….i am an atheist and even i pray …i just pray for strength and understanding. You helped me understand this scio deal …thank you 😉

            • Sherbet

              What a great explanation. Thanks.

            • I consider myself an atheist at the moment, but it would be unfair and unscientific to rule out the possibility of intelligent design. My views of the world change all the time. I try to stay flexible because i realize how dangerous a fixed view of things can be.

            • Larry Kucharik

              Just out of curiosity….how much does DM pay you for 100 hour work weeks? Sounds like slave labor to me!

            • It varies. The biggest check I think i ever received was $50 and the smallest was $10. The average was about $20.

              Keep in mind that I was also 15-18 years old for the three years I worked for the cult. (2001-2004)

            • Observer

              Suddenly I picture Kirstie Alley fervently postulating that John Travolta is straight …

            • I heard she called him the, “love of her life.” In her book. I can’t imagine Kelly Preston would be comfortable with that kind of embarrassment. I wonder if the book was approved by the Scilon handlers.

              Seems like they are trying to turn Kirstie Alley into the new Tom Cruise.

            • Observer

              Kirstie already has Tom’s clueless arrogance down.

            • Derek, that sounds like the “Creative Visulaization” trend of the late 80’s. Then, it came back in the early 00’s as “the Secret”.

              The basic idea was that expecting and planning for the best outcome was a good strategy. That makes sense. Research has shown that in sports, rehearsing a victorious outcome helps to optimize performance.

              However, that was repeatedly perverted into the bullshit idea that we all deserve what happens to us, because we could have made it better if we “really” wanted to.

              If you are dying of incurable kidney disease, or whatever — it is adaptive and healthy to find some meaning and purpose in the bad thing that is happening to you, because you can’t change it.

              Evil gains a foothold when this truth is used to leverage people’s fears and vulnerabilities into a rationale for tolerating things that hurt you instead of doing something about them.

          • nobs

            As part of the Sunday Service, they say A Prayer for Total Freedom. It goes like this:
            May the author of the universe enable all men to reach an understanding of their spiritual nature.

            May awareness and understanding of life expand, so that all may come to know the author of the universe.

            And may others also reach this understanding which brings Total Freedom.

            At this time, we think of those whose liberty is threatened; of those who have suffered imprisonment for their beliefs; of those who are enslaved or martyred, and for all those who are brutalized, trapped or attacked.

            We pray that human rights will be preserved so that all people may believe and worship freely, so that freedom will once again be seen in our land.

            Freedom from war, and poverty, and want; freedom to be; freedom to do and freedom to have.

            Freedom to use and understand Man’s potential—a potential that is God-given and Godlike.

            And freedom to achieve that understanding and awareness that is Total Freedom.

            May God let it be so.

            • Sherbet

              Wow, they talk a good game. Too bad the cos doesn’t practice what it preaches.

            • deElizabethan

              Yes, I’ve heard that at one Sunday Service and I turned cold knowing it wasn’t true and that they had the gall to recite that. BOLD LIE.

            • Sunday service is well known to be a farce only for the sake of making Scientology appear like a religion.

              IF you were a Scientologist as it seems like you are implying, then you would know that Scientologists don’t pray. Spouting this BS about this “prayer” is just PR for them. It can hardly even be called a prayer.

    • Claritysav

      I have a great idea for Marty and the indies; they should declare DM a supresive person, they should create the goldenrod, have it delivered to DM ( or try), post it online etc.

      To cite and document, in strict scion speak DM s SP actions and have him declared by the “real scions” would not only be great
      theatre, but posting a doc that officially declares DM would help a few more “on the fence” scions think a bit more and of course it would make DM angry – maybe even declare Tom Cruise too- That may even atract some media

      • Capt. Howdy

        Great idea. I’m surprised they haven’t thought of it.

      • It has already been done.
        It is online somewhere.

      • richelieu jr

        Should be done very publicly, posted at each org by moles… Like Martin Luther nailing his little missive to the church’s door…

      • victoria

        We already declared him in 1984. Then I guess in 1996 another group of bitter defrocked apostates came along and declared him again. But hey! The more the merrier;)

        • victoria
        • Claritysav

          But Marty/Martin Luther has already promised clean ethics files to those who bring him evidence- so Marty is setting up a parallel COS- I think Marty/Martin Luthers Would have some weight behind it as he is a legit threat to DM –

          Then he could start declaring a few other well chosen COS Execs- Start making those on the fence think “now or never”. Pick your winner now or forever forsake your Thetan – he should not go crazy w the SPs but def declare a strategic SP every month or so –

          Maybe he could declare Shelly Miscaviage for non participation!

          • Maybe he could declare Shelly Miscaviage for non participation!

            OUCH!! hehehe

      • Also, in July 2012, the Haifa Mission assigned Miscavige the “condition of treason” in a very detailed letter which you can find here:

        • deElizabethan

          Flyers need to be printed up and distributed in their areas? would that be legal?

          • Claritysav

            I don’t know why it would be illegal
            Free speach?

          • Dee, If Dani gave permission which I am sure would be EASY…why not….
            He wrote it…right?

            • deElizabethan

              That would be terrific! Keep me posted.

      • deElizabethan

        YAHOO! What terrific good news. They are falling! Luv WWP

      • tessa

        ‘The judge wasn’t buying any of their bullshit …’ Love it.

  • sugarplumfairy32

    Considering the ease with which co$ is somehow able to obtain personal phone records, I wouldn’t assume that they’re guessing about this gentleman’s being in contact with SPs..

    • SPF, this is one time your paranoia is serving you very well!

      • sugarplumfairy32

        Yah, Bury.. It’s not paranoia is there really are boogeymen..

    • I try not to think about that too much :/ I just pretend that no one is watching me and live normally.

      • sugarplumfairy32

        But keep being careful, Just in case..

        • I will. Thank you. Vigilance is my middle name haha

  • “Band of squirrels”. This sounds like a new HBO drama series in the making.

    For such a humorless and internationally-mocked group, you’d have thought they’d have come up with a better word than “squirrel” for using Co$ methods outside of the official cult.

    • Yeah, the whole “squirrel” thing made it sound like something from Comedy Central. LOL.

      I hope one of these declares ends up in court case someday. I can just see the judge’s reaction. 🙂

      • Boson Stark

        A marauding band of squirrels looking for loose nuts. Close your minds culties. Up your IAS donation level today before the squirrels get you with their cheaper auditing rates and lack of prison camps. T’was Xenu that made ’em do it.

    • Capt. Howdy

      Coming this Fall to HBO: “Band of Squirrels” – Follow the metaphysical war adventures of Lt. Marty “Luther” Rathbun and Sgt. Mike “Grinder” Rinder as they lead their squad nicknamed “The Squirrels ” in immortal combat against the evil axis of the Third Psych and the Corporate Church of $cientology led by the diminutive Pope David “El Douche” Miscavige.

      • Sherbet

        Howdy, you’ve outdone yourself! Bravo! Bravo! “Third Psych…” Love it!

    • Claritysav

      It is hard to take any group seriously as a religion that uses “squirrel” or “band of squirrels” or anything similar In a formal letter declaring one of their members to eternal damnation

      • NO SHIT!
        I know we are all used to this crap…but I pity the lawyers and courts that first read this stuff…

    • Observer

      Nothing ruins the gravitas of a good old-fashioned hellfire-and-damnation declare like the phrase “Robert has been attempting to covertly divert Scientologists in good standing to join this band of squirrels”.

      • Ok, I had to read your post twice to digest how really funny that really does sound.
        Good eye Observer.

        • oh…and this:
          covertly divert

          made me have a little bitty stroke i think…..

    • lcmsmommy

      time for a shopping break! get your squirrel merchandise here:

  • Boson Stark

    I think part of the “squirrel services” aspect must be because the scam feels it is unfathomable for current members–who would be reading this SP declare–to believe that someone could walk away from the whole crock?

    Even so, you’d think that for someone addicted to auditing, the prospect of lower prices in the squirrel zone would be tantalizing–really thought provoking for a person to see what’s on the menu on the Squirrel Zone using the Internet.

    Good luck to Robert in getting his money back.

    • richelieu jr

      Can you imagine a price war in a free market for Scientology services? The market would address the ‘true’ value of Hubbards Empty-Cubbard So-Called ‘Tech’..

      ‘Original’ Scientology vs ‘New Improved Hubbardism’ vs “Sci-Fi Litology’ vs ‘less-filling ‘pie-in-the-skientology’ vs…

      I’m guessing a huge drop in value, whattaya say?

      • deElizabethan


  • Wow! An actual goldenrod declare! It is like the Holy Grail of $cion dox. Thanks for showing that Tony. And thanks to Robert Berrington as well, for sharing. I am so envious, I want one too. I am as suppressive as the next guy. Dammit.

    Rest assured, part of my settlement when I divorce Admiral Cruise, will be my very own cache of burlwood pens and a golden fleece, no wait, that’s what Imma do to TC. I meant goldenrod declare.

  • muldrake

    I disagree that it is a usual policy to keep SP Declares secret. Their policy seems to be that they send it to you if they believe that you are under the ether enough that it might cause you to beg to be let back in, or at least stop whatever it is you’re doing.

    If they think you’ll do something like post it to the Internet, or that you want it so you can sue them over it, or in general, just that you want it at all, then they won’t give it to you. Many times, in those cases, they post it somewhere in the org so that everyone else can know to shun you.

    Having known a number of people who got declares, a good number of them actually got a copy.

    • richelieu jr

      I’ve only known one person who got one, and Tommy Davis was there right after was asking (oh-so-politely, of course– ha!) for it back the very next morning…

    • CoolHand

      I think it also has to do with what their perceived “offenses” are. Most of the people these days aren’t given a copy of it because of such a huge faction leaving for good or to practice independently, etc. A large portion of the declares these days are due to people contributing to blogs like Marty’s or Tony’s and boards like ESMB, WWP, The Tipping Point, etc. You’re definitely right about what they think the risk or intent is regarding the declare itself. I was shown mine but not given a copy. I most certainly would have put it up online if I had it, just like the picture of Davey boy visiting Arrowhead with two future “holees” Rena Weinberg and Laurie Zurn alongside Gary “we’re not Scientology” Smith.

      • Luke, that is an awesome pic by the way.

        • CoolHand

          Haha, thanks! The funniest part about it to me looking back, is that his assistant sent us all pictures of Miscavige in those cardboard frames. We didn’t request them or anything. It was his vanity that prompted them, like “Hey, how about I throw them a little something to remember the day that I graced their presence!”

          • Yeah, he is a legend in his own mind!
            Even though that pic makes a nice Target practice photo for my H&K P7….I will put the sites directly over DM and try not to accidently shoot you other folks….
            Don’t worry about a thing….I rarely miss 🙂

      • N. Graham
        • CoolHand

          Yep, that’s the one!

    • Dee Fogger

      I don’t believe people receive actual copies anymore unless they want to make a point and drive out to your house to let you see it and even then they wont let you keep a copy. When Kay Rowe publicly defected recently part of her complaint was that the declares where kept under lock and key at the SF Org and that they were no longer posted due to libel and defamation concerns.

      • Observer

        Of course, they’re only concerned about being sued for libel and defamation, and not at all concerned about libeling and defaming people. That’s how you can tell they’re The Most Ethical People On the Planet.

    • Muldrake,

      You can disagree if you want but that doesn’t make it any less true. Back in the day, before people took their declares to the internet, they would give them out. In the last few years or so, that has changed. Especially since Tommy Dickhead went on TV and claimed that disconnection doesn’t exist. It clearly does based on the declares.

      • muldrake

        Doesn’t make what any less true? I personally know people who have copies of their declares. This is post-Internet.

        One example is Patty Pieniadz in 2004:

        Another is Claire Swazey in 2002:

        Those are just two examples of ones of people I know that I’ve personally held the originals of in my hand. I’m sure there are more out there.

        • richelieu jr

          Great stuff, thanks for the links! I wonder what can explain this inconsistency in COS policy if not a change in policy over time?

        • Neither one of them says where they procured their declares. Even you say only that they, “have copies of”. Did they church give them these declares? Unless the church handed the declares over to them, willingly and they were not surreptitiously obtained (as in the article above), then they are not examples of anything that refutes my statement.

    • victoria

      So true… oh the years and years I spent trying to be taken off the mailing list, and also the call list. My sister begged for an end to it also. (She had never been in SCN.) They got her address from my files. But as soon as this became a good thing to post or record, they went silent. After 20 years of demanding for it to all stop. Go figure!

  • Okay, so what I understand –

    1) Charge #5 as written in the “church’s” document implies he maintained in contact with and did not “Disconnect” from declared SP’s. The written document then states that this is a violation that has contributed to his being declared a Suppressive Person. So there is a rule/policy requiring “church” members to cease communication and disconnect from declared SP’s.

    2) Refund – As stated in the letter in order to obtain a refund you must physically appear at the local “church” facility. However, as further stated in the letter, since the “church” has banned him from setting foot in any of their facilities he cannot receive a refund.

    Point #1 simply proves the church and their officials LIE.

    Point #2 sure sounds illegal, at least in the US. I would hope Mr. Berrington would have some legal recourse in the courts of South Africa. If not civilly at least criminally.

  • So they’re still openly posting copies of SP declares in the Jo’Burg org? (Ha ha. Flunk!) I bet that practice comes to stop from this point forward. Congratulations Robert on finding your way out of that oppressive environment, it’s always encouraging to hear of someone coming forward that is completely done with all things Scientology and not afraid to say so.

  • Larry Kucharik

    Great Idea! An HBO series about “squirrels” would be right up there with The Wire or Six Feet Under……

    • richelieu jr

      Nah, everybody dies, an drugs are a clear attraction.danger, but there is only a special type of person who falls prey to Hubbard’s tomfoolery, let alone wants to purify it by removing the dwarf-king…

      Plus, most who’ve been through t would just as soon forget and the rest would like to see it die… I think the audience would be limited to a couple of hundred people, about 40% of them in Texas…

  • KimO’Brien

    there was an article on the msnbc web site today about the new scientology center setting up in Tel Aviv …that’s right folks …Tel Aviv . Like in Israel …gee…what could possible go wrong there ?

    • Our veteran readers are well aware of the Tel Aviv Ideal Org and its troubled past…

      • KimO’Brien

        i was surprised by how legitimate the article made them sound. So weird… ( i am one of your loyal followers but it is hard to keep up with the crazy 😉

        • Yeah that article was obnoxious.
          I love how they don’t mention the idle morgue was really already there and it just had some lipstick slapped on it after the fire and David Miscavige to come give a speech and POOF….A new Ideal Org.
          I expect that as soon as our local mission gets new shutters they will trot out Travolta for another opening.
          Its Magick!

          • Keep in mind that it’s the Associated Press. The Tel Aviv org has a mindblowing history, and the Haifa mission breaking away is a major thorn in Miscavige’s side, so the truth is that Scientology in Israel is really interesting and rather troubled. But the AP’s job is to make things sound as boring and ordinary as possible. Hence this useless article.

            • Tony, I am sure you noticed, but Dani is promising something big for Marty’s blog coming soon….I could only read a little bit about it because the echo chamber was hurting my head.

            • deElizabethan

              Dang you’re good, have I told you lately? LUV IT. The echo chambers, thanks now I know what it was…….

            • I totally ripped that off from poison ivy!

  • Mr. Berrington should take his “catch-22” refund situation to a South African court. South African courts are less “glib” than the Florida courts and will come down on Scientology hard, just as British (and the French) courts have.

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  • Helmuth, speaking for Boskone

    Bah! They’re not even using real Goldenrod paper, which a particular color in printing. They either use yellow or that mustard stuff. Squirrels!

  • Mike Ellis is a low level rubber stamp type bureaucrat who signed that letter that somebody named David Miscavige wrote on his behalf. His father, McHenry Ellis is part of the Golden Era Musicians and is a hell of a sax player.

    • richelieu jr

      Yet clearly not much of a father if he let his son get mixed up in this nonsense…

      • Silly rabbit

        Fair point but only when viewed with 20/20 hindsight.

        I knew McHenry. He was, and I suspect still is, a good person. His son was not brought by him, he was brought up like all kids of parents from “Jones Town”.

        McHenry believed his son was being given a better childhood than he had. All our parents did.

        They may be guilty but they are not to blame. And regardless of who’s to blame in earnest, Mike is the only one who can do anything about it.

        Such is the fate of children who lose the ovarian lottery. It sucks and it’s cruel, but it’s true. And I only know this because I learned it the hard way.

        • richelieu jr

          Dear Silly,
          You are quite right, of course, and it was needlessly flippant for me to say such a thing….

  • KimO’Brien

    Goldenrod sounds like a great name for a new sex toy ..

  • flunk123

    Very sad and unfair that he can’t get his money back. But that would be giving money to “squirrel” …
    The Co$ claims they don’t want anyone altering Hubbard’s “tech”.
    But, to them, a squirrel is basically anyone collecting money selling “auditing” – money the church feels is theirs by virtue of their copyrights.
    Imagine if a Buddhist organization sued non-Buddhists for meditating, based on a copyright infringement!
    Hubbard said a cult was a “closed group”, and that Scientology is open to anyone, and therefore is not a “cult”.
    But Scientology is not a religious practice open to anyone, it’s a way of collecting money from people no one else can use. Their enforcement of copyrights proves it.
    It’s like the mob copyrighting prostitution or drug dealing, and then going after anyone using their “proprietary” formula.

  • wannabeclear

    That is a brilliant Catch-22 bullshit ruse they have going there but it seems ripe for shooting down. I don’t know what the laws are in South Africa, but it seems like it could be easily won in a US court. Refunds are not “a religious matter.” Is there anything in the IRS agreement (that we know of) which might support this? Also, I can’t imagine any judge who wouldn’t see through the ruse, but I’ve been wrong before and the Co$ has won court cases, so what do I know…

  • Jean


    Since when do you need express permission and licenses to practice religion? Since when can a corporation “own” a religion?

  • DC8

    Suppressive declares are interesting. This part – “Any certificates that Berrington has are hereby canceled per HCO PL 7 March 1965II, CERTIFICATE CANCELLATION.”, as written in Mr. Berrington’s declare is what interests me most. This means, as far as I can understand, that any “gains” obtained through training and auditing are not any more recognised by the church. Hence any OT abilities are no longer OT abilities but something else. I have personal experiences with this in that when you are in the church, you think that you have gained certain powers but when you leave you realize that these powers never even existed in the first place. This actually means that these “powers” only exist while you are in good standing within the organization. It shows what a whole farce the whole thing is where nobody is really making any gains in the world outside scientology. The truth is that you are made to believe that you are doing better, which has nothing to do with what is really and actually happening to you.

    • Jean


      As if you can retract a religious experience. (Not that it is religious, in this case, but hypocritical nonetheless.)

      It is fascinating. If we were talking about an experience like Zen Satori, it would be laughable to say it was “cancelled.” It would be like telling someone they can’t add or subtract anymore.

      However, in this case the “cancellation” does imply there was nothing geniune in the first place.

      • deElizabethan

        Actually and IMO any certificates in training would be invalid should he practice outside the church and have been cancelled. Not that they mean much anyway except for other ex’s. Therefore he could not use in court so to say that he has certificates which allow him to audit, if it ever came to that. It doesn’t mean mush anyway to regular people. I’ll leave the mush!

    • richelieu jr

      In the Catholic Church, traditionally any blessings bestowed continue- Even if they were given by an incompetent or futurely defrocked priest. The Church is supreme over the flawed humans who deliver it…

      • MidwestMom

        That is correct, richelieu. There is no such thing as a null and void blessing! Blessings, graces, and sacraments are gifts from God (the Father), Jesus (the Son), and the Holy Spirit The sacraments are considered gifts from Jesus Christ, and are administered by the church, so if someone stops going to the Catholic church, those gifts are still theirs. Also, if someone converts to another religion, those blessings, graces and sacraments remain intact. They don’t have an expiration date, they aren’t “copyrighted”, nor are they exclusive to the Catholic church.

        The key point is that the church administers these gifts, but they can’t take them away. As M.C. Hammer said, “U can’t touch this!”

        Amen to that, Hammer!

    • nobs

      The SP declare is not canceling ‘wins’ or ‘gains’. It’s canceling his auditor training certification. He is no longer recognized by the co$ as a classed auditor (or whatever his training was in).

      • DC8

        I understand this but it is interesting that when you leave the church or are obliged to leave, it is at this point that you realize the worthless value of what you have been doing, whether it is training or the wins you supposedly had.

        • deElizabethan

          I would guess that you are speaking only for yourself, as one can honestly do, regarding personal gains or insight.

          • DC8

            Yes, I am speaking for myself. How could I decide what other people’s gains are? However there are many people that have left the church that have realized that those “gains ” were not so great.

            To a scientologist, all gains in life are thanks to LRH tech. To me this is nonsense. I am doing well in life and am certainly not applying LRH tech.

            This morning I put my work down because I felt the phone was about to ring. And it did. I also knew before who was phoning me and I was right. The “church” would make this in to some ridiculous OT phenomena story. It isn’t. We all have moments when we can predict something. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Tomorrow I might be wrong. But to a scientologist it is all thanks to the “tech”.

            • deElizabethan

              Thanks. You are right about those die hard scios giving credit to LRH tech Only.
              I had abilities before Scn and after. Good to hear yours too.

      • Nobs i think you are unnecessarily mincing words. The point is not what they are cancelling. it is that the entire practice of Scientology is supposed to be religious. So they are basically “cancel” a religious experience, which cannot be done.

        • DC8

          I agree. But let’s just say for a moment that scientology was not a religion and instead remained as an applied philosophy. Can you immagine a student studying philosophy at university and then after a couple of years, having completed many exams, the student decides to change faculty and study something else. And because of this, the faculty at the university decide to ex-communicate the student from the university and declare him a suppressive person. Well this is what “the applied philosophy of scientology ” is doing on a
          continual basis.

  • richelieu jr

    This ‘catch 22’ reminds me of something that happened during the Albilghensian Crusade against the Cathar Heretics… it is complicated but at one point, a great southern French Nobleman name Count Raymond was suspected of heretical sympathies by the Catholic church. He denied the charges, and even mustered an army to fight the heretics, but his efforts were found insufficient and half-hearted by the zealots pushing the crusade, and he was stripped of his kingdom and lands by the bishop..

    However, he had a direct line to the pope through the King of Aragorn, the man who had pushed back the muslim tide in Spain and a great Christian hero, who publicly petitioned the Pope, saying it was unfair that Raymond be stripped of his title and lands with no trial or ability to defend himself.. The Pope agreed, so a tribunal was formed.

    At the last minute, however, one of the bishops made two rules- seeing as Raymond had been excommunicated, he could have his trial, but should not speak in a church (consecrated ground).. In fact, they denied him entry to the church where he was to defend himself, then said he had not defended himself and was therefore guilty.

    Event he Pope could find no flaw in this legal reasoning, so Raymond ended up losing everything (after a fashion) and was stripped nude, whipped by the priests and bishops and his followers in Toulouse, and again in Paris.

    Miscavige would be proud.

    • tessa

      Scientology Inc is really a mediaeval institution. Miscavige is as evil as this pope. How did this pope meet his end?

    • richelieu jr

      That one in particular? in bed, old, IIRC…
      It is interesting to note that Innocent III, the one who launched the crusade was a very young Pope (23 when he took office!), and seemingly had a lot to prove- launching crusades and hard negotiations with the French Monarchy…

      What is it with young little guys and chips on shoulders?

    • Whipping naked kings sounds like a new hobby I should take up.

      • MidwestMom

        Derek… Derek… Derek…you are trying to kill me by making me blush to death?

        First the golden, well… you know what…and now naked kings. I am going to have a difficult time playing checkers, now, you cheeky boy!

        • Hahahahaha sorry. I like to inject a little humor into the conversation. Otherwise it is just so drab. People arguing about wins and definitions.

  • Silly rabbit

    “Any return of donations or refund is entirely a creation of Scientology policy…”





    • tessa

      They can’t write normal language anymore. They only know ‘$cientologese’.

    • Jean

      They’re saying its a religious matter if you get your money back. The implication is there is nothing legal you can do about it.

    • It means that the only reason you are allowed to get a refund is because it is written into LRH Policy i.e. created by policy. The idea is that the donations to the church are not legally required to be refunded. Once you give them the money, it is theirs and they are in control of it.

      They are saying that they are bound by LRH Policy and not by the law to return money therefore since he has renounced Scientology he is no longer covered by that policy and that they will not refund his money.

      • nobs

        I’m sure a historian with knowledge of policy (hello Chuck Beatty) could cite chapter and verse and I don’t have that kind of information, but I do recall that hubbard policy states clearly that any money “on account” (that would be $ that was put there for training or auditing, NOT a donation for IAS or idle morgue) is to be returned and that the person asking for this money may not ever receive services from co$ again.
        And yes, I believe it was stipulated in the IRS agreement. I doubt that does him any good in South Africa.

        • What the IJC is saying is that it doesn’t matter what policy says because this guy is not covered by it.

    • richelieu jr

      in standard English:

      You haven’t got a fucking prayer of seeing that money, bub…

      (the ‘prayer’ part is what makes it religious)

      • deElizabethan

        Didn’t I read somewhere that the IRS stipulated that the church should give people their money back, as part of the deal? What’s happened to that?

  • I ran aground on that sentence too.
    It makes no sense to me either.

  • I believe Schippers/Holverson have lost their case for refund of monies on account at the 2nd District Court of Appeals in FL. It’s very sad and I’m afraid will set a precedent.

  • tessa

    Being declared without an ethics hearing or a Committee of Evidence is out-ethics, off-policy, squirrel admin! Who is the SP here?
    It proves once more $cientology is only in for the money and nothing else.

  • Funny story about the goldenrod declares, told to me by someone who been there done that.
    Everyone feared receiving an SP declare, so what the cult would do to make it doubly terrifying, they put these yellow declares in thin white envelopes so that the yellow paper would show through.

    Stress starts the second you check your mail and see that flimsy envelope with scary yellow paper from RTC.

    Clever and mean. Bad combination. Good thing we’re smarter!

    • richelieu jr

      Oh shit, the Scinetologists have mastered envelope technology!
      We’re doomed!!!

      LRH tech is real! Skinny transparent envelopes! What will they think of next?!!

  • I wish I had been provided a copy of my SP declare. They declared me for talking to people on ESMB. I had never even met any of those people in person.

    I remember the ‘Senior Director of Inspections and Reports’ (the guy in charge of enforcing this crap) for the big blue complex freaked out when I asked him for a copy. “No! This is church property!” Then for some unfathomable reason he kept asking me, “Why are you here? Why are you really here? Why did you come here?” The ‘Master at Arms’ for AOLA was a nice guy though.

    The only charge on there was, “Continued adherence to a Suppresive group” and “Spreading rumors about senior Scientologists”. Which is a stretch considering that I wasn’t “spreading a rumor” rather I was “sharing my story”.

    The idea that you can be declared for “adhering” to a suppresive group or someone declared suppressive by HCO is proof of disconnection.

    The charge might as well have said, “You’re being declared suppressive and separated from your family for telling the truth.” Because that’s all I did.

    I can only hope my little brother gets out of there. He’s a victim of circumstance just like I was and it makes me sad that I am helpless to help him.

    • Derek, do you have any other family members who are not in that could get him a message from you? Just to let him know you will be waiting?

      • I do have family members that are not in, but I don’t think they can get a message to him. He works in Security at the LA Complex on Hubbard Way. They read all their mail before it gets to them so anything mentioning him leaving would be intercepted and discarded.

        Just imagine trying to get a message to someone in prison about breaking them out. All phone calls are monitored and all mail is read. I wouldn’t be able to get within 100 yards of the complex before they shuffled him to some dark room in the depths of the complex so he wouldn’t see me.

        • This is wrong on so many levels is just makes me spit razor blades

          • I got used to it. My mail came to me opened all the time. There are people designated to read mail before it is delivered to a Sea Org member. They don’t make any attempt to disguise it.

            If you make personal phone calls while working in the Sea Org you are assigned a phone code and you have to pre-purchase minutes on the code in order to use it to make calls. So as a teenager, if I wanted to talk to my parents or anyone for that matter, I had to set aside some money from my $20 a week to pay for a phone call home.

            • richelieu jr

              O personally passed messages to some folks at the Celebrity Center when I played there… This was long time ago, though… Miscaivige was only knee-high to a grasshopp– Wait a minute, he still is!

            • I wish I knew someone like you that could pass messages.

            • richelieu jr

              I wish I could pass one for you, but those days are long behind me… Good luck. I can only imagine the pain you are feeling and it makes me furious, frankly…

    • “I wish I had been provided a copy of my SP declare.”

      I’m sure you are not alone in that wish Derek. This is one of several examples where I wish the US had a similar Data Protection Act like the UK does. It would go a long way towards busting Scientology’s chops on the files they keep for dead agenting and smear campaigns.

      • We have the Freedom of Information Act, but I am not sure who and what that applies too. I am sure there is a religious exemption as well.

        • richelieu jr

          FOIA only applies to the Federal government, and then only after a certain delay…

          Then again, if you want to know what the FBI thinks of you, why wait? Try the Hubbard way of using ‘credit card in lock’-tech to open doors and break right in!

          • Dee Fogger

            Every state has FOIA law as well but still it only applies to documents that the government holds not to individuals or organizations.

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  • Dee Fogger

    I’m waiting for the filing of a class action lawsuit for refund money. It’s got to be coming as there’s a lot of money waiting for the class action firm willing to take on the church.

    • Agreed. That could also present an interesting argument for approaching the IRS to re-investigate their banking practice of keeping monies on account in the first place.

      • I believe the history of Hubbard and Miscavige and the organizations of Scientology support the position that Scientology has been a fraud from its earliest founding until the present day and has continuously engaged in acts as individuals and organizations that extend that fraud daily. Therefor, no statute of limitations has ever been passed.

        Large portions of their assets are spent making it impossible for its victims to recover what has been taken from them.

        Until that stops, each and every fraud continues to run.

        I don’t know what it will take to stop it. I know the one lawyer who would take my case, Ford Green, never did anything to represent me against them. The fraudulent Scientology refuses to refund money I paid for services and never used, as well as the almost $200k they defrauded me of over 27.

        Who, in the army of lawyers out there is willing? Who of all the law enforcement in this nation will prosecute these crimes?

  • ClearOT Church of Scientology refund policy on file with the IRS.

    • Dee Fogger

      Thanks for the link to the oriental rug restoration service : )
      I would like to read the actual agreement. I’ll see if I can Google it as my understanding was that the process was supposed to be “easy” which it clearly is not. I think an IRS take-down is far more likely to happen than an FBI / DOJ action because of the refund issue, fake accounting, structured payments to P.I., etc. There’s a lot that the IRS can look into if there’s someone with significant guts to do it.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Everything about the “declare” is squirrel. Today’s scientologists are perfect Hubbard clones. They don’t seem time between money siphoning and sales meetings to even read the shit, sorry, holy shit that Hubbard just made up. Now, they just make it all up as they go along … just like Ron. Oddly, they are the perfected version of The Scientologist.

    Yes, they are breaking the rules when it comes to return of money on account (not refunds of services received) in the IRS agreement. It’s also supposed to be fast and easy. There are many steps that lead Up To a Declare, and in fact, not doing those steps is Sign of an SP! Invalidating Clears is a Hot SP sign, which Miscavige has done en masse, and no one seems to say, uh, now wait, that means you are SP, so out you go. And yes, there are a few lines in this declare that Miscavige just made up. And finally, yes, the color of the goldenrod is wrong and somehow someone managed to find an even uglier one.

    It wasn’t easy, but I found a Band of Squirrels playing on non-standard, out-KSW emeter cans and accepting money for it! Send the kids out of the room before viewing.

    • Hi there THDN,

      I was working at AOLA when they started to tell people, “You are not clear.” I remember lots of upset people.

      A lot of people don’t know that at the higher levels of “confidential” auditing the price per hour for auditing increases exponentially. For example, auditing at a lower org (idea org) is maybe 200-300 bucks an hour. At a higher org like AOLA it is around 700-800 bucks an hour.

      So these people now have the pay the 800/hr price for 200/hr auditing levels.

      There were a lot of unhappy customers, but damn did AOLA make some dough in those days. I guess the mass exodus has been happening since 2001 when I started working there so they needed a way to increase income.

      We were told what was going on as staff members, but we were supposed to keep quiet, which we did. I had some qualms about what was going on, and i remember people in the sales area crying their eyes out because they had just been told they never made it to clear even though they were OT V.

      I remembered thinking, what if this happened to my dad. How would I feel about this.

      Remembering it makes me feel icky all over again. I wish I had told my parents all of this but I didn’t out of fear.

    • Dee Fogger

      Wasn’t the first squirrel declare an “instant SP” declare by DM at the Missionholder’s Massacre? At that time Hubbard was still alive. Nobody spoke out about the lack of policy for an instant declare and survived in the church. They only follow their own rules when it’s beneficial to them, like not refunding money due to someone not following policy but making stuff up and failing to have a Comm Ev is perfectly OK when you want someone gone.

    • Sherbet

      Those squirrels are in wicked trouble. The cans aren’t standard tech, and this woman wants to talk about it.

    • Ha Ha love them squirrels made my night.

      • The four legged ones i meant, not the brain dead two legged kind.

        • Sherbet

          I still can’t help but give credit to Marty and his wife for having to put up with those invasions. I want to jump through the computer and slap the annoying woman with her whiny voice. Oh, right, she’s only concerned about Marty’s materials being up to standard.

          • deElizabethan

            I give credit to Mosey for bravery, but with Marty it’s “karma’s a bitch”. Tho he is trying and producing some. All us ex’s have to go through it.

            • Sherbet

              I know and appreciate that exes such as you have strong feelings about Marty and probably rightly so. As a never-in, I really am grateful you’re more realistic and knowledgeable than I can ever be, because I learn from you. My opinion is just that, whereas you speak from experience.

            • deElizabethan

              I don’t really have strong feelings about Marty except he did some bad stuff just as any ex did to varying degrees, only he was in an executive position and he has lots to tell yet. Just as we all are to a certain degree, responsible for bad acts that helped the church to be bad and continue. At least those out will make up for it somehow or not at all, depending on their own level of justice or truth.
              Not much different from other “thinks” where sins or bad actions are involved. You also know as I do, only with a little different view. OK, only difference between you and I is maybe I have a few more years of life, that’s all. I hope to be folding in another decade or less and am so pleased to see others with spirit and guts to see justice done in this world. So thank you Sherbet. I am grateful to you and all the others.

            • Capt. Howdy

              So how did “Mr Personality” Rugburn get his white bread hooks into this attractive, seemingly intelligent black woman and turn her into a kool-aid queen to boot? I’m baffled beyond knowingness.

            • Ok, Cap’n. I like you. So let me try to help you understand. However, you all will have to excuse me if I get a bit, uh, racial, for a minute.

              Speaking as a sister myself, and one who is married to a white man with a very different moral character than mine, I would caution you to avoid assuming that Mosey believes what Marty believes, just because she doesn’t criticize scientology publicly.

              Here’s the thing: for your fellow citizens who are minorities, there is always a crucial difference between the public and the private. You are a clever lad, so I’ll assume you get what that means. For a sister, if you love your man, then you always have his back in public. Any deep disagreements will be kept private.

              I guess I assume she actually loves her husband. That being so, even if Marty’s wife Monique thinks that scientology is the long-con of L Ron Hubbard and Marty is one it’s victims, she is not going to tell you, or me, or Tony Ortega. She will tell Marty, in private. Real love would lead her to try very hard to guide him to healing, and understanding, and justice. But it would never involve denouncing his beliefs in the public eye.

              Now, if he cheats or something, and pisses a sistah off, that’s a whole different story… 😉

  • ClearOT

    This is the important part!
    It has been a long-standing policy of the Church that if someone is dissatisfied with their Scientology services and asks to have their contributions returned within a three month period, these amounts will be returned. Likewise, if the person asks for return of contributions for which no services were received (i.e. an advance payment), there is no three month limitation period. Anyone newly enrolling in services at a Church of Scientology is informed of the policies and signs an agreement to abide by them. As a further condition of receiving a refund or repayment, the person understands that they may not again receive services from the Church.

    Within the Church, there are two separate terms: A “refund” refers to a return of contributions to a parishioner within 90 days of participating in religious services while a “repayment” refers to a return of a parishioner’s advance payment before he or she has participated in religious services. For simplicity, the following discussion will use the term “refund” to describe both types of transactions, because both involve a return of parishioner contributions.

    The Church’s refund policy is exceedingly fair. If someone isn’t happy with Scientology — which is a very small minority of people — he simply has to make a proper request for his donations back, agree to forego further services and his donations will be returned. For the Church, in addition to the fact that this policy aligns with Scientology principles of exchange, it also serves the purpose of allowing our churches and the parishioners who are very happy with Scientology, to carry on without the unhappy few in their midst. END FAIR USE QUOTE.

    • richelieu jr

      You didn’t day’ Simple Simon’ first, request invalidated…

    • Silly rabbit

      I hope anyone who is reading this blog in the hope of finding some answers compares the letter Tony posted to the above Hubbard quote.

      I know the policy well. The quote is accurate.

      The orwellian letter sent by Mike Ellis completely contradicts Hubbard’s policy whilst using the very same policy to justify their contradictions. It’s an ironic oxymoron.

      Ironic oxymoron.

      What’s the scientologiese for that I wonder?

      • tessa

        The scientologese for ‘oxymoron’ is probably something like: ‘ 1.1 mock-up of a dichotomy’.
        Please correct me if I’m wrong! I wouldn’t like to give anybode an MU …

  • ClearOT

    Sorry, here’s the correct link to the refund policy.

  • Nice find Tony!

    While you point out some obvious (and funny) ways organized scientology tries to make it hard/impossible to get refunds, I submit that the entire refund procedure is a fraud and in effect false advertizing and has been for many years.

    FWIW here is a link to a posting I did some years ago about their refund policies showing how the procedure was rigged in ways many will not see. This was back when I posted on an earlier board about scientology (alt.religion.scientology) and posted as “SME” (Sister Mary Eurphrasia):!topic/alt.religion.scientology/G3pD7BkWlF4

    • richelieu jr

      Hey, I grew up with a SME! Sister Mary Elizabeth, a catholic nun who had to live with us when the convent burnt down (we weren’t even catholic!) She was really great and encouraged me to read lots of great books, never once trying to talk about religion (or asking us to pay for said info)…

      • MidwestMom

        What a thoughtful family you have, richelieu! You are definitely carrying on those same virtues of kindness and benevolence. 🙂

  • French Mike

    About the Albigensian crusades, Count Raymond of Toulouse was reinstated in the church, after the first excomunication, and his lands couldn’t be taken away as he was a vassal of the king of France, in part, and of the king of Aragon, for the other part. Later on, when the cathars murdered a Papal delegation, the whole cycle was restarted and armies of northern French barons invaded Provence and the Languedoc in order to take over his lands, but mostly to fight and ruin the lesser nobility of the area, whad seized upon the heresy as a scheme to invalidate their obligations towards the higher nobility and – more particularly – towards the bishops and abbots with which that area was completely infested.

    There was no way that the monarchies and Rome were going to allow such a defiant challenge to the two pillars of medieval authority. Hence, the Albigensian crusade. Not really a good simile for scientology’s administrative sleight of hand re.dering it impossible to challenge one’s “declare”.

    • richelieu jr

      Erm, Raymond was not the King of Aragon, but rather the Count of Toulouse… The King of Aragon was Pierre I… And I f-referred specifically to the clever legal ruse of not allowing hi to talk by legal trickery after he’d been given the OK by the Pope himself.

      Also, ‘vassal of the King of France’ may be true in a sense, but ‘France, as such, didn’t even exist at that time,t he King not even being the biggest landholder in the realm. Indeed, apart of the agreement of the king to get involved int he whole thing, (after years, DECADES) of dithering, was the promise of the pope to let him keep the land…

      Actually, I don’t know why I am responding to this more than to point out that the legal ruse did indeed keep someone from doing something they had the right to do (I am not even sure how you came to misunderstand this.. Perhaps I was unclear?). The rest was just setting the scene for people…

      • French Mike

        How did you misunderstand my saying that Raymond was Comte de Toulouse to mean that he was “king of Aragon”? Must be the internet! Also, I can assure you that France very much existed at that time, however different its borders might have been. I’ll stake my first in medieval history from Balliol on that “factoid”. (I’m deeply sorry for having corrected you, I didn’t imagine it would be taken as an affront)

        • richelieu jr

          Yes, clearly some sort of miscommunication is going on FM.. I know that France existed then but an entirely different sort of nation-state with entirely different borders.. I think I misread being a vassal of the King of Aragon as being THE…

  • Good on Robert for getting his declare. In this day and age, |I would have thought that many countries have Freedom of Information Acts which would make the surrender of any piece of paper with anyone’s name on it mandatory (that certainly is the case in England). So, getting a declare, if one can provide a good reason fr believing it exists, should literally be a formality.

    Be that as it may, the only good lawsuits are the ones where the plaintiff asks for all their money back (not just unspent money “on account”) plus restitution for the pain they suffered for having their “ruin found.” In other words, for the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology to be held accountable for the organised fraud which is their basic revenue stream. That’s how we do things in France – I recommend it 🙂

    • Dee Fogger

      The US Freedom of Information Act only applies to documents controlled by the US Government and not private parties or organizations so no individual could use this law as a basis for requesting documents from the church..

      • Dee Fogger

        Forgot to mention that each state has it’s own Freedom of Information law which also only applies to the government and documents that it has in possession.

  • Boson Stark

    I think Tory “Magoo” was helpful in de-stigmatizing the SP Declare, by waving it around in like fifty of her videos, turning it into an almost sought-after item.

    They can’t have any more defrocked apostates besmirching their ecclesiastical passport to the “next trillion years spent shivering in darkness.”

    My suggestion is that the cult burn the words of the SP declare into a burl wood yoke, to be worn by the cult reject until they up their donation to the IAS, to at least the gold bloated possum level. Surely, that would stop their unkind thoughts about Dr. Hubtard or any of his devoted flying monkeys.

  • deElizabethan

    Haven’t finished the article yet but when I got to the Request for return donations – I had such a line charge (like a long ROTFL). I just had to comment.

    The procedure is given for return funds then… “due to the fact that you decided to leave the church and you subsequently excommunicated as a result of violation of church policies, you are not eligible to go into the org to do the routing form.”
    Is that crazy, funny or what?

    • MidwestMom

      Is that crazy, funny, or what?

      All of the above!

  • We in RTC wish to make it clear that the Church of Scientology is not “hemorrhaging” members. By actual statistics, we are in screaming affluence as 122,211 people join the Church every hour of every day across twenty-two continents and 15,901 countries. On average, 918 people check out a Scientology book from a library every second of every day in languages as diverse as Yak, Klingon, Quenya, Elvish, and of course Shermanspeak.

    Demand for Scientology products and services is so great that we in RTC have just purchased new Ideal Orgs totaling ninety-six billion square feet — which is to say that Scientology’s demand for carpeting and other floor coverings will put six trillion dollars into the global economy in 2013, thus pulling the West from off the edge off the fiscal cliff.

    And so yes, we in RTC think all of you wogs in Wogville ought to be down on your hands and knees thanking the Church of Scientology for everything we are doing to salvage the planet.

    If a few SP’s and haters natter about things it is really quite inconsequential.

    Now, onto this ridiculous notion that SP’s are “owed” refunds or anything else from the Church of Scientology. The fact is that we owe SP’s nothing except a slap upside their heads and then a kick in the ass as we boot them out of the door of our breathtakingly luxurious Ideal Orgs.

    We in RTC hate to be so blunt, but under Scientology Ecclesiastical Law — and this is the only law that matters — SP’s are not entitled to refunds until and unless they do steps A-E and then make up the damage they have done to the group by publicly leaving and denouncing the Church of Scientology. There is simply no way around it: SP’s cannot be given refunds anymore than one would give a terrorist a bazooka.

    Only people who support arming terrorists would support giving SP’s refunds.

    So what it is then?

    Do you support Terrorism or do you support the rule of Law?

    • Homer

      Don’t you mean terrorism or the Book of Law?

      • Oh come on!

        That is so 1904.

        The Golden Age of Tech replaced all of that old stuff.

        Why, we in RTC don’t even the Tech anymore.

        All we read are COB advices.

        • Homer

          Well at least you admit it. You have fallen away from the guidance of Aiwass, the Minister of Horus, who gave The Book to (via some other minor characters) to Hubbard. The Book gave to Hubbard scientific proof – obective evidence. This proof is the most important step in science that could possibly be made: for it opens up an entirely new avenue to knowledge. The immense superiority of this particular intelligence (Aiwass), to any other with which mankind has yet been in conscious communication is shown by him proving his own existence. This is infallible evidence.

        • NO OTVIIIisGrrr8!! NO!!!

          “Love is the Law, Love under Will.”

          You know that the Chocolate Velvet loves you in the RTC. So, believe me when I say it is time for you in the RTC to admit that the COB RTC, Fleet Admiral David Miscavige, has gone off the rails. Renounce the hateration and ruination of your “enemies”, and embrace the Thelemic path of Love. LRH knew he could trust his “good friend”, Aleister Crowley. Why don’t you?

          • Jorge

            Hateration! LOL

            “Hail Crowley!!” (quoting Hubbard there)

            • Valkov

              Not to mention the “trickeration” of your own publics, friends, trainees, and pcs.

        • COB advices huh? Have you ever had to clay demo “You SP cocksuckers can’t do anything right, I have to handle everything!” ? That must have been fun.

          • Jorge

            What would that clay model look like?

            =====> o;(

    • sugarplumfairy32

      Lol.. shermanspeak..

      Congrats, OT8theGr8!!!!

      Sounds like y’all are experiencing an unstoppable juggernaut of unbridled expansion!!!!!

      In all 15,901 countries!!!!!

      On all 19 continents!!!!!!

    • Valkov

      i22 continents, 15,901 countries, across how many planets, please? That s a vital omitted stat.

  • deElizabethan

    Thank you Robert Berrington. This Catch-22 that, so far, the church is getting away with will hopefully be brought to light soon with “there’s going to be a new court challenge that is going to zero in on this church scheme.”
    I’m really looking forward to that Tony.

  • chris sutton

    Please help me because I need to understand. Why do people join the “church” in the first place when there is irrefutable evidence online that they are an abusive, corrupt and money grubbing cult? It’s all there, in police reports, defectors testimonies,journalists’ exposes and the infamous 1993 TIME Magazine article. What pull is the church using to get people to hook people who could easily look up its criminal practices? I feel sorry for this guy but at the same time, did he really think the “church” would refund his money? That’s just naive, wishful thinking. I’m surprised he didn’t know better.

    • nobs

      If you’re seriously asking, then I suggest you do a whole lot of reading…jeez, where to start? Tony’s articles in the VV are an excellent starting place.
      Remember that most of the folks who are scnists now, started in the cult BEFORE the internet was chock full of damning information.

      also, lurk moar.

  • deElizabethan

    Yes, he did believe the church would refund because they do in some instances and while there it is never spoken of those that don’t get it. All the exposure is good if one sees it and when in the church you don’t look.
    I can walk in his shoes because I didn’t know better either, but the saving grace is that he’s now out and can tell the world of the dangers.

  • nobs

    We left the cult in 2007 and they fell all over themselves to give us our “on account” money back. They even gave back money we’d forgotten about (in an old account on the fleawinds). We were stunned. I have no idea why it went down the way it did. They said we had to come to flag and ‘route out’ properly and we said ‘no thanks’ and that was it. The next thing we knew, checks were arriving.

  • Sherbet

    DeEliz — For some reason, I can’t reply to your post about Marty without creating a new post. I think the Ghost of Livefyr has infected this blog with a quirk or two. Anyway, I want to say thank you for your kind words. The Mutual Admiration Society convenes right now. Group hug, everyone.

  • InTheNameOfXenu

    I remember it being much more simple getting refunds 20 years ago. Now the cult has wound
    up to having people sign forms to agree to go through these steps to get a refund. But these very steps are meant to prevent them from leaving in the first place. What a trap. Or in Hubbardian lingo, ‘theta trap’. Great scam.

  • First Last

    Is there an uploaded version of Real Time with Bill Maher and Lawrence Wright online PLEASE?
    I am outside North America and would like to watch Bill’s take on going clear.