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In Dianetics, the Uterus is a Frightening Place — ALSO: Nation of Islam Boosting Involvement?

[Credit: Jennifer Mokren, for the Exquisite Uterus Project]

[Credit: Jennifer Mokren, for the Exquisite Uterus Project]

Welcome to our ongoing project, where we blog a 1950 first edition of Scientology’s bible, Dianetics, with the help of ex-Scientologist, Bay Area lawyer, blogger, and author Vance Woodward. Go here for the first post in the series.

[BELOW: The Nation of Islam’s fascination with Dianetics is well known — but are NOI members now starting to take Scientology jobs?]

Vance, we’re finally about to get to Dianetic therapy, but before we do, L. Ron Hubbard must once again revisit the subject of pregnancy and childbirth.

Sigh.

In the chapter, “Preventive Dianetics,” Hubbard makes the point that since engrams — memories picked up during unconsciousness — can be so harmful to a fetus, it’s important to prevent them happening by keeping quiet around women who are pregnant or giving birth.

And to hammer home that point, Hubbard once again must tell us what a danger women are to the unborn…

Attempted abortion is very common. And remarkably lacking in success. The mother, every time she injures the child in such a fiendish fashion, is actually penalizing herself. Morning sickness is entirely engramic, so far as can be discovered, since clears have not so far experienced it during their own pregnancies. And the act of vomiting because of pregnancy is via contagion of aberration. Actual illness generally results only when mother has been interfering with the child either by douches or knitting needles or some such thing.

Hubbard also seems hung up on the idea of the newly-conceived blastocyst taking a beating…

An astonishing number of pregnancies must take place which are never realized. The violence of coitus, the use of douches and jellies (used because the woman is still contracepting and does not know she is already pregnant), straining bowel movements, falls and accidents must account for a large number of miscarriages which come about sometime around the first period after conception. For the zygote and the embryo forms of the child have a rather frail grip on existence and are very severely injured by things the mother would consider nothing.

Vance, in your time in the church, did you ever get a sense of why Hubbard was so focused on this stuff?

VANCE: Like many things in Dianetics and Scientology, not much wondering was allowed. The attitude is that answers to your questions are in Hubbard’s writings. There shall be no discussion. Just read what the guy wrote. Implicitly, if Hubbard did not answer your question, then your question is dumb and not worth answering. Either way, the man claimed that his writings were based on his research. So, his focus on abortions and pregnancies must have been based on auditing preclears and finding that large numbers of them had been accosted with knitting needles and douches while in utero. What mystifies me now is how I ever read that book without falling out of my chair in laughter. Dianetics belongs in the humor section of the bookstore.

Incidentally, you’d think that, with a chapter like this, most Scientologists would be almost panicky around pregnant women, very concerned that their poor fetus could be given a sanity-destroying engram by the slightest jarring. Yet, that is not how it was in my experience. Scientologists behaved like normal people around pregnant women (that is, to the extent that a Scientologist could ever be accused of acting normal). But on the other hand, in my experience, most Scientologists had never read Dianetics!

THE BUNKER: Later, Hubbard really goes for broke, claiming that apparently all women make a surprisingly large number of attempts at abortion…

“Twenty or thirty abortion attempts are not uncommon in the aberree and in every attempt the child could have been pierced through the body or brain,” he writes.

And once again, we are told that this is not merely a notion, but something he’s established as settled fact (how, he doesn’t really tell us)…

These engrams have been confirmed by taking the data from the child, from the mother and the father, and all data checked. So we are dealing here with scientific facts which, no matter how startling, are nevertheless true.

Well, we could point out the sad irony that after Hubbard portrayed all women this way, years later his Sea Org would end up forcing women to have abortions.

VANCE: It is definitely perplexing that people in the innermost circles of Scientology were getting abortions when Hubbard spoke so stridently against them in Dianetics. The explanation is complicated. But consider this. By the time those people got to their lofty positions, they would have have long since begun applying Scientology “ethics” technology, which calls for the “greatest good for the greatest number,” and which came along after Dianetics. A baby would, apparently, get in the way of the Sea Org’s 100-hour workweek and therefore not be “the greatest good.” End of analysis. No doubt, Scientology “ethics” technology would do well on planet Vulcan.

THE BUNKER: At least we’re finally through this part of the book and we’re moving on to actual therapy next week. We’re tingling with excitement.

Next week — The Secret to Scientology’s “Wins” Revealed?

 
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MIKE RINDER: MISCAVIGE AND FARRAKHAN TYING THE KNOT?

Last night, Mike Rinder posted a fascinating e-mail to his blog. In it, a woman calling herself “Sister Adrienne Michelle Muhammad” promotes the virtues of Chicago’s Hubbard Dianetics Foundation — a facility that delivers introductory courses for the Church of Scientology. She also refers to Hubbard Dianetics Seminar Assistant “Brother Maurice 11X Holman,” and Rinder points out that these are clearly Nation of Islam monikers.

For several years, we’ve watched Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan promote L. Ron Hubbard and Dianetics to his followers, but we’ve noted that the relationship between these two groups has appeared to be held at arm’s length. Now, Rinder says, this e-mail indicates that the connections have passed an important milestone — Nation of Islam members now appear to be holding jobs in the church, and are marketing Scientology to Scientologists. Has Farrakhan reached some new understanding with Scientology leader David Miscavige?

“This is the introductory line for the org — the Hubbard Dianetics Foundation — the first place where people are brought into Dianetics,” Rinder tells us. “The people trained on Dianetics from the Nation of Islam are no longer just practicing it among themselves, they are now officially on the front lines of the Church of Scientology, bringing in new people. And they are very publicly calling themselves ‘brother’ and ‘sister,’ which is not Scientology staff terminology.”

We asked him which group — Scientology or the Nation of Islam — is benefiting most from this new interaction.

“Seems to be a marriage made in heaven (or hell?). Until one or the other tries to exert their will — and it probably won’t end well,” he says.

 
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IN DENVER, SCIENTOLOGY IS ON THE MOVE

We’re thankful for our tipster who sent in this photo of a Denver bus this week…

DenverBus

You have to hand it to the church, it never gives up, even when its public image has never been crappier. But what we found really interesting about this ad was how prominently it identified itself as “paid for by the Church of Scientology.” In other words, without that message, the viewer may see the words “What is Scientology” and assume it might have been put there by some jerk with a website or something.

 
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SMERSH Madness: Sowing the Seeds of World Domination!

As we announced on March 1, we’re joining bracket fever with a tournament like no other. It’s up to you to decide who should be named the new SMERSH, the traditional nemesis of Scientology. Cast your vote for who’s doing more to propel the church down its long slide into oblivion!

Our fourth regional final, to determine the champion of the Freewinds bracket!

OCMBVsMark

Operation Clambake, or Xenu.net, was started by a Norwegian engineer, Andreas Heldal-Lund, in 1996. It quickly became a major nemesis for the church as it hosted vast amounts of damaging information that Scientology wants kept quiet. It’s still a great resource today for researchers. (Previously: OCMB defeated Lisa Marie Presley in the first round and Jon Atack in the Sweet Sixteen.)

Mark Bunker was the man who brought video about Scientology to the Internet. Before the arrival of Anonymous in 2008, you can bet that just about any online video about the church was either created or uploaded by Bunker. He then became even more well known as Wise Beard Man, the person who counseled Anonymous that peaceful demonstration was the way to get word out about Scientology. And today, he’s working on a documentary that is going to feature amazing interviews, judging by the glimpses we’ve seen. (Previously: Bunker defeated Lawrence Wright in the first round and Mary Rieser in the Sweet Sixteen.)

 
Go to our March 1 post for the latest tournament results.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 28, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • Observer

    My first abstention. I absolutely cannot choose.

    “Actual illness generally results only when mother has been interfering with the child either by douches or knitting needles or some such thing.” Hubbard had no idea how true that was, though not in the way he meant: untold numbers of children *have* been interfered with either directly by personal contact with, or indirectly through the teachings of, Mankind’s Greatest Douche.

    The inevitable nuclear meltdown between NOI and Scientology is really going to be something to see! The alliance of two sketchy organizations whose founders were each bigoted against the race of the other, and whose current leaders apparently think they’re putting something over on each other … there’s no way this won’t end spectacularly.

    • FistOfXenu

      Not quite time to start the popcorn but I’m buying in extra.

    • SciWatcher

      “untold numbers of children *have* been interfered with either directly by personal contact with, or indirectly through the teachings of, Mankind’s Greatest Douche.” -hahahahahah!

  • sister wendy

    I’ve been lurking for a long time, and this post seems like a good time to introduce myself. I did attest Clear yet barfed my way through 6 months of pregnancy. The only thing I can see about Hubbard regarding women and pregnancy is that he’s a misogynist.

    Plus, I couldn’t ever get through Diantics- not even with the world’s most sweetest, gentlest, kool-aid drinking word clearer, practically holding my hand. It bored me to tears and seemed like the biggest waste of time. Ihad more fun on course. I brought home my first paperback copy of the book, after some late night regging session. When I got up, I found my cat had demolished the front cover and destroyed half the book. Have to say, I never did “tell all” about this event;)

    • Sidney18511

      Smart cat Wendy.

      • sister wendy

        Ha ha! Totally! And she didn’t have any tummy problems (she ate the cover) Plus, she didn’t implode;)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You owe your cat Big time, and will probably never let you forget it. And yes, Hubbard was terrified of mothers most of all. These days, so is David Miscavige.;)

    • FistOfXenu

      Congrats on having such a wise and protective cat and welcome to the fun. If you’d told them about the cat it would’ve been declared and you’d’ve had to disconnect. 🙂

      Seriously, I hope you reward your cat regularly and appropriately for saving you.

    • i-Betty

      It’s great to meet you, Wendy xxxxx (and your clever cat!)

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Yes welcome cat…and thank you for bringing Wendy with you!

    • Ze Moo

      Fluffy, go for help, I can’t word clear Dianetics. Fluffy fixed it. Who knew cats were good in emergencies? And an accomplished critic too…

    • sister wendy

      Thanks guys. It’s nice to have the courage to finally say something. Kitty would say hi, but she bites. She has bit many org people in her day. They would think she was high-toned, and then she’d strike…she knew wayyyy before me something wasn’t right.

      • Captain Howdy

        “She has bit many org people in her day.”

        Is your cat named “Ceiling” by any chance?

        https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Ceiling_Cat

      • Congratulations, sister wendy, on speaking out! You are correct, it does take some courage…and happily you are using yours! Isn’t that amazing that Kitty knew wayyyy before you? I think mine did, too. 🙂

        • Trustmeonthis

          I’m pretty sure when cats yawn it isn’t because of MUs.

        • sister wendy

          Thank you, Tory. I really admire you and your work. I’m still processing all the changes of being “out” and what that means. I hope by participating a bit, instead of just reading, I can clarify what it means for me to “be finished with/move on…” Cats are some amazing barometers 😉 I’m loving all the pics posted.

      • grundoon

        Tone 40 Cat!

      • Exterrier

        And they have those natural OT perceptions. Notice that just when you go to put them in their travel box to take them to Ethics, they never can be found?

    • When you’re a cat, and you see someone reading Dianetics, it’s not like anybody else, you just know that you’re the only creature who can help…

      • FistOfXenu

        Beautiful! This had me choking on my coffee.

      • Trustmeonthis

        Poster Medal of Valor!

      • Missionary Kid

        Wendy’s cat has to be a Tom.

        • FistOfXenu

          “She”?

          • Missionary Kid

            Oops, I was trying to make a pun, and failed. I should have said, “Wendy’s cat should have been a Tom.”

            • stillgrace

              Many members of Feline Anonymous are mollies, and they kick ass along with the toms.

            • Missionary Kid

              Richard Eckert wrote,”When you’re a cat, and you see someone reading Dianetics, it’s not like
              anybody else, you just know that you’re the only creature who can help.” It sounded like a Tom Cruise statement, so I was trying to make a dumb pun that it must have been a “Tom” cat.

              That’s the dumb joke I was trying to pull off. I made the big mistake in not remembering that the cat was a female. I blew it. 🙂

              There was no intent to slight the female of the species. Cat or human.

            • stillgrace

              Understand! Now I get your joke!

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. My “joke” turned out to be…..(forgive me) a cat-astrophe.

    • stillgrace

      Loved your story! Your cat may belong to a group called “Feline Anonymous”.
      My cat is a member.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        lol And Tony’s Bunker cats are the leader.

        • stillgrace

          Tony’s cats probably organized the group. I have found that most cats hate LRH and scientology. My orange kitty reads the Bunker over my shoulder all the time and becomes very enturbulated from time to time. That’s why I had to change my avatar picture.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Who can blame the cat? Probably got a glimpse of Hubbard’s Ethics Dog, Vix (actual pix) or Miscavige’s ethics sniffing dog, Pickles (shoop)

            [IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/30ug6xh.jpg[/IMG]
            [IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/dlhzxc.jpg[/IMG]

            • stillgrace

              LOL! I love the Chihuahua’s little sea org outfit! That’s the only breed that I condone “dressing up” because they are always shivering. The intensity of TC’s salute in the original picture has always indicated to me the depth of his utter craziness.

            • FistOfXenu

              You took the words right out of my mouth, THDNE. How could any self-respecting cat not hate a cult that gives dogs that much power? That dog would automatically declare all cats.

          • nessness

            Cats organizing a group? Organized cats? No, say they haven’t gotten to the cats, not the cats nooooo

        • Roger Larsson

          Is it about Caterpillar bulldozers against Sherman tanks? What a fight!

      • Captain Howdy

        For the love of Gawd Grace, please don’t start with the cat memes !

      • FistOfXenu

        If her cat was a member of Feline Anonymous it’d be wearing a one of those V for Vendetta masks.

        • stillgrace

          Believe me, most members of Feline Anonymous don’t really like wearing their masks. They’ll grudgingly wear them while at protests and during transportation to and from protests.
          You’ll rarely see them wearing them at home or while destroying $cio materials, unless they suspect OSA is spying on them.

          • FistOfXenu

            Yeah, like that. And thanks for clearing that up. 🙂

    • Trustmeonthis

      Welcome, Wendy – and Wendy’s cat!
      I once had a cat attempt to eat a book on vegetarian cooking. I always figured he could read better than he let on, after that.

    • Chocolate Velvet

      LOL! That’s a great story, and a very good and clever kitty.

    • Casabeca

      Ok, now you are inspiring me to come out of the shadows too!
      I am an interested, open-minded and curious Christian. I used to think of anyone who would fall for a cult as a “them” and those who think like me as “us”. That was ignorant!
      You all are so intelligent, witty, kind, supportive, not consumed by bitterness, but enjoying life and relationships in spite of what you suffered. There is no “them” in my world anymore, only “us”, that is if you will have me.
      Cheers to you all, love you Tony!

      • Exterrier

        Ditto, Casabeca. I can’t imagine that there is a sharper and more fun loving blog community anywhere. It is pretty seductive. Tony has to have a big meet up in Shrine Auditorium or a picnic on the Perdenales when all this culminates in the Golden Age of Indictments for DM. I’ll be there.

        • Casabeca

          Road trip! Woo hoo! Save me a seat, will ya?

  • mook

    From OCMB: Belgian government watching contact between politicians and CoS
    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=211037

    • 0tessa

      Mook: do you have the link? Thanks.

      • mook

        Just posted it

  • mook

    Apparently Kirstie is still believing cult bs
    http://twitchy.com/2013/03/13/kirstie-alley-medicines-are-poisons/

  • Bella Legosi

    Oh boy. Reading what the Hub has to say about women and being pregnant is not nearly half as maddening as reading about NoI. Seriously, this is a combo from hell. I can not believe that anything good can come from those who shot Malcom X to death and people who believe in engrams, abberations, and enturbulation.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      This NOI thing enturbulates the hell out of me. You are right, this is the combo from hell.
      The only good thing I can see in it is it’s likely potential to blow up in Davey’s face.
      Which I am pretty sure is a given at some point in the near future.
      There will be a power play here.

      • Captain Howdy

        Miscavige has guns and Louie has guns. The difference is that Louie isn’t afraid to use them, and there’s a rather large body count going back to my hometown, and other places around the USA in the early 70’s where Louie tried to start a race war, to prove it. Not to mention Malcolm.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Oh yeah, no doubt. This has potential for some kinda freaky ugly to go down!

        • FistOfXenu

          A gun you won’t use is a paperweight. Louie has guns and DM has lawyers. Dm pushes too hard and Louie will demonstrate why everybody makes jokes about lawyers, but nobody makes jokes about a man holding a gun. And then DM will have nothing.

          • Captain Howdy

            The scilons are living in white-bread la la land where as the NOI
            members were hardcore mofo’s before they even started drinking Fard’s
            Kool-aid.

      • Poison Ivy

        Still, imagine what a force NOI could be with Davey’s pot o’money. Scary scary.

        • FistOfXenu

          Now all they need is something they can agree about. That reminds me, what is it they agree about?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Oh no. That scenario escaped me. The only good in that would be the FBI and Homeland would have no trouble ascending on Louie’s palace.

        • John P.

          The day that anyone from NOI grabs for the cash is the day that Miscavige takes it all and runs to his hideaway. There is only one person in the cult who has access to the reserves, and that is Davey (backed up by external wog experts who speak only with him, probably). So no worries about NOI getting their hands on the cash, or the titles to the real estate.

          • FistOfXenu

            True JP, but if we believe the power didn’t pass from LRH as he intended we have to accept it could happen again. Call it poetic justice or just say he pulled it in but either way, karma’s a bitch.

  • I just sent an email to the city of Denver public transportation department about their public busses carrying ads for Scientology with a link to this blog.

    • mirele

      I’m wondering if the big THIS AD IS PAID FOR BY THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY was a condition of running the ad? You know, kind of like, SMOKING THESE CIGARETTES IS GONNA KILL YOU DEADER THAN DEAD? It’s 25 percent of the ad space.

      • In Clearwater, the anti-Scis bought bus advertising that said “Thnk for yourself, quit Scientology”. The result was that no pro or anti Sci ads, or any public service ads are allowed on busses.

        • aquaclara

          ooh, but it was an excellent strategy. wonder if anyone has a pic of this.

        • Missionary Kid

          Clearwater is a hick town compared to Denver, and Co$ is a big fish there, with a lot of lawyers.to threaten lawsuits over “Religious Persecution.”

      • FistOfXenu

        The bus company wanted to be sure everybody knows they’re only doing it for the money.

        • Missionary Kid

          $cientology should let everyone know they’re only doing it for the money.

    • Public agencies are under much tighter restrictions than a private party would be about refusing to take ads. If they have allowed *any* ads espousing a viewpoint (as opposed to just advertising a product or service for sale) then the First Amendment won’t allow them to discriminate against viewpoints the government doesn’t like. San Francisco buses are the scene of an ad war that started when some moderate Muslims bought ads explaining that “jihad” can mean “personal spiritual struggle” (“My Jihad is raising my kids…” etc.) so a very anti-Muslim group is now running ads with all the worst quotes about “jihad” from terrorists.

    • Captain Howdy

      Good job.

  • jensting

    Gosh, I wonder how well it’ll go for the first pimply-faced SO teenager giving an FOI “brother” a sec-check. At least it’ll all be video-taped for reasons of quality control…

    • FistOfXenu

      That’s a $cientarCONon film I’d pay to see.

      • Missionary Kid

        Popcorn! With extra butter, please.

        • FistOfXenu

          If they just hold off til the weather’s warmer we can have a bbq too.
          I just want to see what happens when $cientarCONon Tone 40 meets NOI martial arts classes. Short film unless they have more than 1 angle and slow motion, but I still want goodies to eat.

          • Observer

            Command intention will get its ass whipped. lol

            • FistOfXenu

              I’ve always rooted for the ashtray anyways. This time the ashtray fights back.

            • Missionary Kid

              Headline: Ashtray fights back… and Wins!

            • nessness

              I am hearing the voiceover from the film trailer .. THIS TIME, THE ASHTRAY FIGHTS BACK…. (fade to black)

            • Missionary Kid

              That was better. How about on Entertainment Tonight, or one of those other celebrity shows?
              They’re filled with all those breathless promos.

            • FistOfXenu

              I sure wish I had the skill to make this for real. I’d have that trailer like you say, and the film itself would be done in clay animation. You know, to give the whole thing mass. A pasty white $cientarCONon drongo shouting at an ashtray and then moving it and saying “thank you!” (everything’s labeled nice and neat). Then all of a sudden the ashtray shouts back “Who the fuck you shouting at, white satan?” and at the same time it grows as big as the $cientarCONonist and arms and legs sprout from the corners. He grows so fast the label shoots off somewheres. The ashtray now looks like a big muscular NOI bodyguard type and grabs the $cieno by his scrawny neck with one hand and pounds his face with the other. The $cieno’s label flies off while the NOI/ashtray starts pounding him into the floor like hammering a nail. He stops when the $cieno is a puddle on the floor, grabs e-meter cans and stabs them into the $cieno puddle. He looks around and says “audit that!” and walks out the door cool as can be.

              You think we could sell it to DM? That’d be a laugh.

          • Missionary Kid

            Bbq. I love the idea. We could start the fire under the charcoal with pages from Dianutty.

            • FistOfXenu

              Could we build a volcano shaped bbq? See if we can restim anybody?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              My body thetans are itching now.

            • Poison Ivy

              Try calamine lotion.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              HEHEHE….I think vinegar kills them as well.

            • Missionary Kid

              Meat smokers used to be volcano shaped. The hell with restimulation, I want some jerky.

            • FistOfXenu

              Wouldn’t it be funny if some day we find out LRH came up with OTIII because he was doing his pinks and grays and sitting in front of an old fashioned meat smoker, and he hallucinated about thetans being “smoked”.

            • Missionary Kid

              LRH was an evil Uncle Duke.

            • Trustmeonthis

              I’ll make a volcano out of mashed potatoes!

            • FistOfXenu

              Ma used to do that for me when I was a boy. I hated mashed potatoes so she hollowed the mashed potatoes out and filled it with gravy.
              Maybe if Ron had my mother he would’ve turned out better.

            • Trustmeonthis

              Aww. I am sure he would have – though I certainly would not wish him on you as a brother!

            • FistOfXenu

              Very considerate of you. We would’ve spent the whole time fighting. And since he knew all that Indian fighting and Tibetan robber fighting and judo I would’ve had to shoot him.

          • Poison Ivy

            Time for another SP reunion?

  • Sidney18511

    If anyone wants to go over the rainbow and down the rabbit hole of the bizarrely fascinating story of the marriage between COS and the NOI check out esmb and wwp. they are loaded with info, even conversation between members of NOI and ex-scions. Make sure you can spend the day and hold onto your hat, because it is one wild crazy ride.

    • mirele

      The strange relationship between Co$ and NOI is definitely worth keeping an eye on. I wonder if Dave thinks he’s going to swoop in and take over the NOI when Calypso Louie (turns 80 in May) shuffles off this mortal coil?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        This^

        • Poison Ivy

          Dave doesn’t know who he’s dealing with.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Dave is ignorant in his bubble. This one will kick his little ass!

          • Observer

            What Davey doesn’t know would fill several large warehouses.

            • Missionary Kid

              Just warehouses? All he knows is what’s in his self-imposed bubble. That leaves the rest of the universe.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              So That’s why he’s buying up all those vast historic buildings!

      • Captain Howdy

        There’s no way a “blue-eyed devil” is going to take over NOI. Miscavige is probably hoping that when Louie croaks they will completely drift over to CofS and drop the NOI rhetoric.

        • FistOfXenu

          DM has no idea what’s been going on in the real world for the last 50 years, has he?

          • Poison Ivy

            I don’t think he ever understood the real world beyond what Ron taught him of it. Although I did read somewhere that he likes to read…that can only take you so far.

            • FistOfXenu

              Especially since we don’t know what he likes to read. Comic books? Playboy? Maybe he decided to be the 1st person to understand DMSMH so he just reads that over and over and..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Actually, that DMSMH posit would explain a lot!

            • Captain Howdy

              I heard “120 Days of Sodom” was his favorite novel.

    • Renee G

      While I understand the motivations behind this unholy alliance, I, too think this is going to backfire on one of them, and it will be David Miscavige. Neither one of these grandiose sociopaths is going to take a back seat to ANYONE. I would put my money on Louis to come out on top when it comes time. He’s a canny SOB, and I think Davy is seriously underestimating him. AIN’T NO WAY a tiny-ass smooth talking white man is going to get any power at all in the NOI, no matter who is in charge. The only thing DM has to gain in this exchange is bodies in the shop — just another meaningless stat. Dave gets his numbers for the week, but meanwhile, the NOI is seriously working to take over the CoS from the inside. David Miscavige is being taken for a ride on this one. Farrakhan is in this for the long haul, whilst Dave is just looking to make next week’s number.

      • FistOfXenu

        Can anybody report if NOI members have attended any of the big events like the recent birthday event?
        It’s just that I’m trying to imagine Farrakhan or his people sitting through 3 hours of Demented Midget’s bullshit without calling him out.

        • Poison Ivy

          That’s a good question, Fist, and I tend to agree with Renee in most regards. I believe Miscavige (who I’d wager a guess is a South Philly racist with Hubbardish racist tendencies sprinkled on top) believes these are people he can manipulate into being free labor, while Louis/Alfreddie have no intention of allowing their people to become the CO$ next generation of slaves. I think Louise/Alfreddie have their eyes on DM’s big ol’ pot o’money. I don’t know how NOI can take over CO$ from the inside – unless they seriously increase their numbers, but it’s an unholy alliance that won’t end well for one side. Who I worry about more are the newly minted NOI clams – especially the children – who will be scary Ron/Louisbots with their dangerous mixed media of indoctrinated philosophies.

          • Captain Howdy

            “Who I worry about more are the newly minted NOI clams”

            It’s like that Star Trek NG episode where Data’s evil bother Lore finds the Borg adrift in space and he messes with their programming making them even more dangerous.

            • Poison Ivy

              Good analogy, Capt.

              By the way, speaking of North Korea – apparently they’ve been studying COB’s photoshop techniques:
              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/27/north-korea-marine-landing-photoshop_n_2963348.html

            • Captain Howdy

              Thanks for the link P.I (the TH was cute). Is this kid going to start a war vs banging his joystick for attention? Where’s Global Capitalism HQ with the very needed analysis?

            • John P.

              I continue to believe that he’s desperately trying to bring the US and the South Koreans to the bargaining table, but with a newly elected more hawkish government in South Korea, the North Koreans’ bluffs are more likely to be called.

              As far as I can figure, the only viable threat that North Korea poses is the ability to launch rockets into Seoul to cause significant civilian casualties. Their air force is a joke, as is much of their Navy (their fleet of several dozen midget submarines could cause some real trouble, though). The North Koreans say that they have 250,000 rockets with high explosive warheads to turn Seoul into a “sea of fire.” However, if the actual number of operational rockets is 1/10 of that, I’d be extremely surprised; I’ve seen some military experts say the actual number of operable units is about 1,000, but that seems wishful thinking. The North Koreans are counting on the political leadership of South Korea to feel that even a single rocket strike on Seoul is unacceptable, and that’s worked well in the past.

              But the reality is that if North Korea fires a single rocket into Seoul, they’re basically signing their own death warrant. There is no question that the US/ROK alliance would utterly shred the North Korean military. China has slowed oil deliveries, causing not only significant economic harm but also cutting back stores available to the military, which would have only a couple of weeks of fuel, perhaps even less, if they started shooting.

              Two interesting reads: first, on the military strategy: http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/ferocious-weak-and-crazy-north-korean-strategy, and second, on the political landscape — on how they keep the populace from revolting: http://sinonk.com/2013/03/25/all-the-worlds-a-stage-a-review-of-north-korea-beyond-charismatic-politics/ This last may have some applicability to thinking about Scientology — Hubbard was charismatic (those who interacted with him say, though I certainly can’t see it from recordings and film) and it’s unlikely that a new leader will be able to manifest enough charisma to keep the system going. Same problem the North Koreans have: when Nut Boy 1.0 who was charismatic died, the mantle fell on his son who was an awkward geek who didn’t really have any interest in running the place. So they had to work overtime to make him seem charismatic.

              Nut Boy 3.0 is a bit more charismatic but probably is a little bit dim. Most of what’s going on these days appears to be a big charade to convince the people that Nut Boy 3.0 really is a great leader. Only problem is that the US/ROK and others aren’t following the script that would allow him to claim some “victory” to his people. Not unlike Miscavige’s reign — he’s still trying to convince the shrinking pool of culties that he has the leadership to propel “straight up and vertical” expansion, but all of his lies are coming home to roost.

            • Captain Howdy

              Thanks for the analysis GC HQ. I read on a military site (not the one you linked) a scenario of what would happen in a new war, and it basically matches yours. When I read about the tens of thousands of rockets aimed at Seoul I was “gulp”, but someone pointed out they’re still using katyusha rockets from WW II !

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Good links. Thank you.

            • I would think Miscavige would be like Nut Boy 2.0 (trying to fill the big shoes of 1.0 without any of the charisma), and that the analogue of Nut Boy 3.0 would be some post-Miscavige leader trying to hold the cult together after Miscavige is gone, which I expect would be tremendously difficult.

            • Missionary Kid

              This is pure conjecture on my part, and I think it will take years to happen, but I’ve been wrong before often enough:

              If there is any collapse of $cientology, Nut Boy 2.0 will have bankrupted the coffers and ended up with all of the land and buildings in his shell corporation’s name The remaining clams and the indies won’t have the facilities or the money to fight 2.0 for any assets, and, since the clams have already been drained dry, they’re going to be short of capital to continue. Of course, they can always find some attorneys to take lawsuits on contingency.

              Since DM probably owns the facilities through shell corporations, he’ll lock anyone out who tries to take them over. If someone sues, they won’t get diddly for a long time. He has legal possession and loads of lawyers, so to get all of the $uper Duper Power building and all of the “missions,” for the remaining clams, it will take a lot of time and money to take them over, if ever. I see DM either fleeing to some country where he can’t be extradited from or hanging on until the end like the Götterdämmerung scene from The Twilight of the Gods. He has no heir apparent.

              Either way, it’s going to create a shock in clamville, because DM has made himself the head acolyte and interpreter of LRH’s nuttiness. To transfer allegiance to someone else will lead to questioning of the tech as well as Co$. The independents have been declared as SP, so that’s a barrier that they have to overcome to take over and pick up any of the remnants.

              Since everything LRH wrote was a bunch of crap and there’s been a lot of clam abuse, it will be easy for the remaining clams to decide to leave.

              The person who is the key to finding where the assets are hidden is the bookkeeper or whoever handles the money. If DM is smart, he’s been transferring assets offshore and shuffled them around.

              What I’d rather see happen is that the gubbermint would declare Co$ a criminal enterprise and seize the assets and jail DM under the RICO act, but that’s just a faint hope.

              A more likely, but slower end will be that NARCONCRAP will get sued repeatedly, lose, and the veil of separation between Co$ and will eventually be pierced, bankrupting whatever the Dinky Midget leaves in the coffers.

              Even if victims of Co$ and NARCOCRAP get possession, the property isn’t worth much, in spite of all the supposed money poured into them. DM has been skimming off money raised for the building and using slave labor on the buildings. If the Celebrity Centre (I hate that pretentious spelling) building and maintenance are any indication, a large amount of the money was spent on security and none or little on competent construction or repair.

              The only use for the buildings as they stand is as a church. If they are to be sold, they will need extensive modification for any other purpose. The land they’re on may have appreciated in the intervening years. As long as they are designated as a “church” there won’t be property taxes.

              In short, anyone who even attempts to be Nut Boy 3.0 is going to have a LOT of PROBLEMS.

            • John P.

              Your scenario is very much in line with what I have been saying for a long time. In particular, selling the Ideal Org buildings and other facilities will not net a lot of money for the cult (or for creditors who have filed liens for unpaid bills), for exactly the reasons you cite: crappy maintenance, odd floor plans not suitable for offices without extensive modifications, and locations that are not exactly desirable for large office buildings (Florence KY, New Haven CT, and many others come to mind). They’ve over-improved and under-maintained.

              Indeed, the cash is undoubtedly offshore, and Miscavige is the only one (plus a few “wog experts” that are loyal only to him personally) that knows where it is. The bad news is that, post PATRIOT Act, few countries lack extradition treaties, and bank secrecy is not what it used to be. While the cash may not get seized for lawsuit settlements, it can at least be found and frozen a lot more effectively than ever before, crimping Miscavige’s presumed lifestyle in exile. I believe I know where Miscavige’s hidey hole is, and don’t think their bank secrecy laws are able to withstand the Feds, nor do I think he would be extradition-proof for criminal charges.

              Finally, you’re exactly right that things will take a long time to unwind, longer than most people would imagine. I think the cult is past the point of no return, but even so it could still take a decade or more for the real endgame to begin. Think: slow-motion train wreck.

            • Just glancing at the list of countries that the United States has extradition treaties with, the number of Bulgravia’s seems rather limited for someone with a taste for the finer things that money can buy.

              A life on the open seas in international waters might be fun but the seaworthiness of the ‘Freewinds’ causes me concern. Such a long stay in Oranjestad recently from 6 March until 24 March is highly unusual.

              List of United States extradition treaties

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties

              Andrew

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Over two weeks in Aruba? Interesting.
              I bet there are parts of that hull getting so thin you can practically see through it.

            • John P.

              BTN, you are exactly right. I have remarked in the past that this almost 50-year old ship is not too likely to be seaworthy for long voyages — Aruba to Bonaire to Curacao is about 30 miles for each leg. And from any of the three to Cartagena Colombia is about 300 miles, within 20 to 30 miles of land all the way. I also note that, even after a recent refit, the ship has open lifeboats, which mean it’s not qualified for “long sea voyages,” which has a specific meaning under the UN Convention on Safety of Life at Sea (SOLAS). If I recall correctly, that’s a trip that’s more than 600 miles from land. So it would likely not withstand a serious storm, and they clearly know it.

              I have also commented here and elsewhere that several pictures of the ship show much of the plating, not just in the bow area but along the sides near the waterline, to be dimpled in, revealing the pattern of the ribs underneath. Naval architects call this “panting stress,” and it happens from wave actions pounding the plates in, stretching them slightly, and then having changes in internal air pressure on the ship pop them back out again (panting in and out like a dog). Kind of like what you can do with a beer can, but on a much larger scale. Plating also thins over time as microscopic wear to the paint exposes the steel underneath to rust. And when you consider that the normal commercial life of an oceangoing vessel is about 15-20 years, then even if it were well maintained, the FleaWinds would be at risk for thin plating. If the plates were 1/4″ to begin with, they are indeed probably ridiculously thin at this point.

              I suspect that the cult knows that the ol’ rust bucket is always teetering on the edge of a one-way trip to Davy Jones’ locker, and cancels sailings whenever the weather looks marginal or when there’s a mechanical issue that could strand it. And I’m sure that with the ancient machinery on board, the chances are high for a “poop cruise” like the one that befell the Carnival Triumph recently. And by “poop,” I mean real poop, not the verbal “poop” that Hubbard generated so much of.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks. Since I’m a wog, and I made a lot of suppositions based on past cons, so, to me, that’s high praise to come from you.

              When I got to the part, “The bad news is…” I thought it meant bad news for all us SPs, until I reread it and understood it meant bad news for DM.

              The biggest mountain to climb is getting DM not to be looked at as the head of a religion, but a criminal. Since he’s managed to screw everything else up, all one can hope is that he continues in his present course. He’ll keep himself wrapped in the uniform of a religious leader as long as he can, and any attempt to straighten things out, he’ll scream “religious persecution” and try to get the few clams left to support him. Hopefully, by then there’ll be enough ex-scios and independents to put the lie to it.

              I see a long, slow train wreck, too. I just hope the final result is DM being thrown in the hole in the end, and that not too many more people get hurt along with him.

            • John P.

              Miscavige is indeed like Nut Boy 2.0 in the North Korean analogy — “new and improved tyranny without all that distracting charisma.” And indeed any successor would have to demonstrate his political control of the organization by clamping down even harder on dissenting factions, as Nut Boy 3.0 has done. But I think it is not tremendously difficult but rather impossible for any hypothetical Thetan Boy 3.0 to hold the cult together. I think it’s reached the tipping point at this point and is not salvageable. Even if a Thetan Boy 3.0 were to emerge, the public are not captive to the degree that they are in North Korea, and disconnection (the main means for keeping public inside the cult after they want to leave) could be losing its coercive value as public continues to scan the internet and realize that life outside the cult is not that bad and as so many recent disconnections mean you have a friend network awaiting you — disconnection only works if you have no friends or family on the outside to connect with, so it worked when it was relatively rare.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Hubbard really hated (and feared) women. How sad for him.

    • Poison Ivy

      How sad for Sea Org women.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Touche’

  • Roger Larsson

    If Ron Hubbard’s mother hadn’t made attempted abortions of her child with dress hangers and such kind of stuff there hadn’t been anything more to say about it all.

    Buy a case for cash – buy the case of L. Ron Hubbard. But his market value might be less than a penny / word.

    • Captain Howdy

      Good one Roger.

      • Roger Larsson

        To make bad stuff,to make good stuff, or to make the worlds stuff?

  • Patty Moher

    Hard call but I’m casting my vote for OCMB. Andreas Heldal-Lund is a man of unquestioning integrity. His website has informed thousands of people. I realize video is very important, but Andreas has been mooning the cult a lot longer. I have a soft spot for the old pioneers who did it alone.

    • SFFrog

      When I first started getting curious about Scientology, xenu.net was there for me.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Me too. As much as I love wise beard man. Andreas site was the first thing I found when snooping into the cult.
      And it is such a wealth of information. Besides, Andreas rescued Tori.

    • FistOfXenu

      And he gave us the blessed Tory. 🙂

      • nessness

        I want a fantasy smersh madness where tory wins…yes I do. Tory, you have the best smile and the most beneficent ferocity.

        • Trustmeonthis

          Tory has earned a tiara, for sure!

        • FistOfXenu

          “beneficent ferocity” Yup, that’s Tory in spades. Thanks, I’ve been looking for that phrase to describe her for years.

          • nessness

            you’re welcome wow its sweet to give bunkerites a gift and even better to compliment Tory

    • Captain Howdy

      When I first discovered the anon/scilon war on YT I didn’t know nearly as much about scientology as I do today (most of the anon “kids” knew way more). So every time I read something I didn’t understand I did a search, and the place I usually ended up was Xenu net (along with Factnet, Lermanet).

      Mark’s videos also really put the hook in me as to how crazy scientology could make a person, and he’s been the Yoda of the movement, so this is really hard.

      I gots to go with Xenu………………………………………………………………net

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      And an entertaining motley crew.

      [IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/6gbngy.jpg[/IMG]

      • Captain Howdy

        Is that Roy and the Sons? Yee-Haw!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          You’re gonna Love this reveal in Linda Lovelace’s new book. Marilyn Monroe and spankers involved. OSA and Miscavige’s threats of PC Folder reveals are losing all their powers. The Internet is their kryptonite.

          http://www.abc4.com/mostpopular/story/Roy-Rogers-Sexy-Secrets-Revealed-In-New-Book/Xl-3Qg07nEWHf8KZVFt5Lg.cspx

          • Missionary Kid

            That’s not Lovelace’s book. She died in 2002. Darwin Porter, the author, is someone I’d check out further – it’s easy to write about people who are dead because there’s no libel or slander that applies. Lovelace isn’t around to fact check Porter’s claims.

            I’d take claims like that with a huge grain of salt.

          • Captain Howdy

            OMX !..well at least Trigger wasn’t in the mix ..and I just read somethin’ else spicy about Kate. her and Spence were quite the pair, just ask young “Dorthy” (if ya could).

            • Missionary Kid

              If you’re talking about Kate Hepburn, her relationship with Spencer Tracy is well documented. Since she and Spencer are both dead, you could write a book claiming they had group gay sex with aliens, and you’d be bulletproof from lawsuits.

            • Captain Howdy

              U mad bro ?

            • Missionary Kid

              More like I’m annoyed. I’m a skeptic. There’s enough BS floating around. LRH was a prime dispenser, and I don’t think we need a bunch more.

              I wouldn’t have minded dirt about Roy Rogers, who I consider a sky pilot, but if I’m going to repeat something, I like it to have better documentation.

              I’m not saying that all the people that are dead didn’t do some weird stuff, but there are people who specialize in making up crap to sell books. LRH made up all sorts of crap, but he didn’t drop celebrity names. He also is busted because of documentation.

            • Captain Howdy

              : (

            • Missionary Kid

              Awww. Cheer up. There’s enough verified dirt to go around without starting urban legends, like Co$ members try to do about Lame Robert Hubbard. It’s fun to bust them with chapter and verse of verified facts and his own “sacred” writings.

            • Captain Howdy

              Not sad, just wondering…

            • Missionary Kid

              I only get serious when there’s BS involved. 😉

            • Captain Howdy

              Okie Dokie

            • FistOfXenu

              “but he didn’t drop celebrity names” Really?

              What about “the late Aleister Crowley, my very good friend”

            • Trustmeonthis

              Crowley has surely been spinning in his grave over all of this for years!

            • Missionary Kid

              LRH did drop Crowley’s name, and I’m sure Crowley wouldn’t have liked it because Crowly spotted the Hub for the phoney he was. See my partial correction in my reply to Fist.

            • Missionary Kid

              You’re right. I misspoke.

              LRHs motive was usually to enhance his own reputation, not necessarily to besmirch someone else’s – unless they were SPs – just for the sake of selling books..

              (Although associating people with his own name would be evil enough).

            • FistOfXenu

              I wish Crowley would’ve sued LiarRon Humptydumpty for slander. That works for me so many different ways. Can you see the court room with Crowley of all people explaining that having such a complete liar and con man and all around horse’s ass like LRH suggesting that Crowley liked him was a smear on his character too hard for him to live with.

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s too delicious and funny. It would have prevented a lot of evil, ironically.

            • FistOfXenu

              Gay sex with aliens? How could they be sure?

            • Missionary Kid

              It could be online, which quoted from a book that is out of print that The Onion quoted. It must be true!

          • Missionary Kid

            Look at the books that Darwin Porter has written before. All of them are published about dead Hollywood figures, and it appears he also is the owner of his publishing company.

            I’d trust him as a source about as far as a walk to the bathroom.

            • FistOfXenu

              I’d love to see what would’ve happened if those 2 had a showdown in court. Imagine them face to face? If Crowley had a scary edge to him like I heard it would’ve been fun to watch.

          • mook

            Darwin Porter is nothing but a glorified fanfiction writer. He has tried to shut down several website that have debunked most of his books. He also posts reviews of his own books on Amazon under several different names.

            James Curtis, the author of the latest bio on Spencer Tracy pwned him big time on the fabricated story about Kate and Spence bearding for each other.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks for the backup, mook. Fiction writers who try to pass their work off as fact hit my hot buttons. I was just going on a cursory look at his work.

              Again, the internet leads to exposure. That’s why I appreciate all of the people who’ve done so much to bring down Scientology on the net.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I have heard “other noise” that Roy was a total freak.
          I trust my sources on this!

          • FistOfXenu

            You mean his trails were kept with whacky weed and cactus buttons?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Not exactly…
              🙂

          • Captain Howdy

            I hadn’t anything about Roy previous to this, but I have head plenty of freakiness about that “other guy” (and I never heard of Darwin Porter before today :D)

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I am born and bred Vegas baby….TMOT!

          • Missionary Kid

            Happy trails. 🙂

        • KJP in Portland

          YES, Bob Nolan in the back…black hat. Farr brothers here too. Tim Specncer present . Ken Curtis too. Yep…

    • I agree, Patty! Andreas was up and running long before LMT and as much as I love Mark and agree he’s done TERRIFIC work, he began his main critical work after OCMB. Also, I think Andreas, as you mention, is a man of unquestioning integrity who has stood up to MANY people’s criticisms in the past, held true to his word, and come out on TOP. Me too re a soft spot for pioneers who did it all alone, and Andreas certainly was one of them.

      For those who don’t know, Andreas was never “in” $cientology. He saw an article in a paper (in the 90’s) in Norway about a Scientologist and a law suit. He began to look into BOTH sides…found TONS of FACTS all over the Net, but none were altogether. So he created XENU.NET with that in mind…really one of the first Critical Web sites, if not THE First. (ARS was a newsgroup that rolled along the same time period). There *may* have been others, but his has stood out and he and his site have helped thousands of people NOT join, share experiences or get free, such as myself. I’ll always thank Andreas, and really Mark, too. I love you both, and to me you’re both winners! 🙂 Tory/Magoo

  • Renee G

    Yes, definitely a hard one, but I, too, have to go with OCMB and Andreas. Xenu.net is still a great resource in the fight against Scientology, and one of the first places I point people to when they first want to delve into the nature of the cult. But I have to say it’s hard to vote against Wise Beard Man!

    • Well, 31 of the entrants are going to have to go down sometime. Wise Beard is Wise, but xenu-net does do more damage.

    • Trustmeonthis

      Right there with you on this one. One thing the SMERSH Smadness has shown me is that all efforts are important. There is more than one way to skin a Cabbage.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’d rather cook it whole and make a soup.

  • sugarplumfairy

    “…in my experience, most Scientologists had never read Dianetics!”

    Ok, now I understand.. For years, I wondered how anyone could read that nonsense and still join.. Now I see they must join first, do the brainwashing TRs and audit their brains out.. I suppose at that point, it doesn’t matter if it makes sense..

    • Missionary Kid

      Exactly.

    • Captain Howdy

      A lot of scientologists don’t know as much, generally speaking, about scientology as we do, thanks to Tony, Mark, Andreas, Tory, Gerry, Tobin & Childs, Atack, Miller et cetera.

      • Poison Ivy

        Here here!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Absolutely correct! I’ve learned most of what I know in the last couple years since on the net! I am still after 3 years finding out something new and amazing (the truth is So much better a read, even though I have a dent on my forehead where I have to keep slapping it).

        I got through sci stuff when “in” by taking the reading art of skimming to whole new levels. I even got through the PDC lectures in record time. I was used to use reels or cassette tapes in my biz and Fast Foward is the Only way to skip along with the Hub. Here’s a hint of How To Endure Hubbard’s Ronorrhea: First page or first 5 minutes was intro blah blah blah (so just skip it), then the subject is addressed for 1 paragraph or 1 minute, then reams of pages or hours of blah blah blah blah blah (just skip because he will change his mind 100x in the middle) and then the solution to whatever problem he had dreamed up. Go to the examiner and say: “I feel so much lighter and brighter and righter and I want Everyone in Emerald City to be lighter and brighter and righter too!!!!”

        • Captain Howdy

          Thanks your Holiness cuz that’s just what I figured most scientologists did/do.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Most just really want to sit in an auditing chair and blab about their problems to someone who won’t (can’t) laugh or yawn. This is just the simple truth. You walk out to the examiner and Boom Bambaloobah! Problem solved. Placebos have their usefulness but only when used properly by real professionals and it doesn’t cost you your first born or second mortgage.

            • Captain Howdy

              That’s why when people say they got some good out of scientology, I think to myself “yeah, telling your problems or opinions to anybody, including hookers and homeless people makes everybody feel better..derp!”. This blog is my “auditing”.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Tony should be sending out invoices and freeloader debts any day now.

            • Not true for me or many other staff members I knew (and know), TheHole…I got in to help others, and that remained my purpose for 30 years. Oddly enough…it wasn’t until I escaped OUT that I truly was able to REALLY Help people in ways I’d never imagined.

        • Missionary Kid

          The whole goal is to get everyone to say, “Yes, it was WONDERFUL. Here’s my money”
          If you fast forwarded on Ronny’s stuff, what did you do on DM’s?

      • Missionary Kid

        You’re right. I knew part of the truth, but all of those guys plus others have made it whole.

        • Trustmeonthis

          The Whole Does Not Exist. Well, maybe technically it does – but just don’t forget that it is ALWAYS worse than you think!

          • Missionary Kid

            Appears so. 😀

    • BosonStark

      Forget the number of sheets of drywall used to build the Great Super Powerz Cathedral, I wonder what the stats are on clams who actually read Dianutty? Has Farrakhan read it? Has Miscavige read it?

      However, there were some people drawn into the cult, solely from reading Dianutty, and who really ate it up, which I found shocking, because it is so unreadable. I could see a person kind of getting into the gist of it, and thinking, “I’d really like to try auditing to get rid of my engrams,” but to actually read it straight through and find it fascinating. You would think those would be the same people who would sit down in their parlor with a friend, and then claim they grew a 3rd set of teeth — in other words, the hopelessly insane. “I never had a second set of teeth,” as Hubbard managed to never have a second wife, although being married three times.

      The number of people who would become members who read Dianutty and found it readable and fascinating is dwarfed by the number of members who either didn’t read it or didn’t really understand it, and thought they needed to take courses and be “processed,” to find out.

      Then there’s the issue of reading Dinautty today vs. when it came out. How could anyone take it seriously today, with wording like, “So we are dealing here with scientific facts which, no matter how startling, are nevertheless true”?

      Today, Dianutty is sold to people as an unreadable piece of crap, meant to draw them into the cult, to find out what it means, but only after they’re properly brainwashed.

      • Poison Ivy

        It’s the classic “Emperor’s New Clothes” scenario – those fairy tales are timeless for a reason. Influential people (or cliques of people) rave about Dianetics, others read it and “get” the engram idea but don’t understand anything else – but don’t want to admit it. Ron’s word salad (and cleverly manipulative use of the passive voice) makes the readers who don’t understand it think it’s because the book is so scientific and theoretical and Ron is a genius, and when they investigate Scientology, they are reinforced in this belief – “Once I do these courses, I’ll understand it all with what I learn and my shiny new IQ,” etc.) Eventually Dianetics is left behind and a new Clam is born, never having realized that the reason they didn’t understand Dianetics was IT IS GIBBERISH!

      • Captain Howdy

        Trying to read “Dianetics” cover to cover is like trying to read one of de Sade’s “novels” (I just read the juicy bits) or “Finnegans Wake” cover to cover. “Forgetaboutit”

        • Sherbet

          I remember years and years ago, before scn had shown the world what a nasty racket it really is and I knew nothing about it, my sister, who was searching for something meaningful to believe in, tried to wade through dianetics. She said, “I didn’t understand any of it.” At the time I thought maybe she was just unsophisticated or it wasn’t exactly what she was looking for. Little did I know that dianetics was then and remains today a pile of impenetrable nonsense, and that scn is a sleight-of-hand con game.

      • I wonder if the new Super Dooper BS “Super Power” building has toilet paper! We sure didn’t..for many years..in many “orgs” in $cientology, despite ALL the F*** money they ripped off, plus saying we were “The top 10 % on the planet”. Well? IF WE WERE…WHY THE HELL DIDN’T WE HAVE TOILET PAPER???

        • sugarplumfairy

          Well, that explains where all the dianetics books go.. AGP, in one of his films, says (and I’m paraphrasing) that he would use dianetics for toilet paper but the book is so full of crap it can’t absorb anymore..

          • FistOfXenu

            Damn! I’m getting ninjad all over here today. nice one SPF.

        • Missionary Kid

          There are parallels to the old Soviet Union, where TP was a rare commodity.

    • FLUNK101

      I never read it. I looked up references to drug use, which seemed very liberal for Scientology, and right away I knew this book was a little different than what I was learning at the Scientology mission.

      If Dianetics was a dream, it wouldn’t be hard to interpret. With all the attempted abortions and people being knocked unconscious, the word “brutality” comes to mind.

      I never tried to get anyone “in,” but one of my very intelligent college friends read Dianetics just because he was curious to see what I was into. Then he started asking me about all the abortion fantasies. No, I wasn’t a big proselytizer when I was in Scientology, but my friends took interest. In fact, I wasn’t even planning to continue after the Comm Course. When I finished the course, I wrote a very snarky “success story.” Then one day, tripping on acid with a musician friend, I described the hallucinations (and the out of body experience) I had doing TR0. He got into it … and got me back into it. I was lost and looking for that “something else.” I found it, for a while, in Scientology.

      • LSD is way better …way cheaper ..and the trip ends 😉

        • Captain Howdy

          Exactly and what’s your avatar ?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Kim, Kim, you don’t even–you’re glib. You don’t even know what Ritalin is.
          Oh wait…wrong drug!
          Nevermind.

        • FLUNK101

          Thanks, Kim. 
          Those few trips I took were really something, and even Steve Jobs said, “Taking LSD was a profound experience, one of the most important things in my life. LSD shows you that there’s another side to the coin, and you can’t remember it when it wears off, but you know it. It reinforced my sense of what was important …”

          • BuryTheNuts2

            😉

          • FLUNK101

            I suppose I should add that LSD is a dangerous drug that has put people in the hospital. “Tripping” is, by psychiatric definition, a “toxic psychosis,” and I consider myself very lucky that I had “good trips.”

  • FistOfXenu

    C’mon here. I don’t care what LRH wrote or said anyplace else he had mommy issues big time. Did he overhear an argument between his parents where somebody said something about how they should’ve aborted him? Or how it was too bad an attempted abortion failed? Or something else about abortion that he took personal?

    And isn’t it ironic that after he banged on so much about the evils of abortion and attempted abortion, Sea mOrgue women were forced to have abortions?

    • A Great Red Haired Winged Warrior Woman told him he was an Abortion!

    • Missionary Kid

      LRH was a Planned Parenthood poster child.

      • Roger Larsson

        We have all arrived to the world through our mother a father made pregnant, and so did LRH.

        • Missionary Kid

          I agree with you. My point is that by contraception he should never have been born.

          I think all the writing about abortion is either that he thought his parents didn’t want him or that it a represented a path for his mistresses not to end up with one of his kids.

          • Roger Larsson

            Now you give the sociopath L. Ron Hubbard a conscience, something he didn’t have.

            • Missionary Kid

              No conscience. He just didn’t want to pay for any extra kids, if that’s what you meant.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            MK: Hubbard had to blame Someone for his mental and physical illnesses and flaws. Who better than Mummy?

            • Missionary Kid

              Mummy dearest, with a twist.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              No more wire hangers? lol

            • BuryTheNuts2

              OH no’s…you just restimulated by Mommy Dearest engram.

    • Actually, it’s the failed abortions that he’s talking about. I haven’t seen anywhere that LRH had a problem with successful abortions.

      And yes, considering how the whole of Dianetics and Scientology is about Hubbard trying to get everyone on Earth to work on curing Hubbard’s insanity, he must have believed that his mother had attempted to abort him with a knitting needle.

  • BosonStark

    Hubbard’s infamous low hangers were probably caused by his mother getting them in the vice grip of two knitting needles and stretching them — that’s when she wasn’t busy piercing his brain.

    • Captain Howdy

      That’s gotta hurt !

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Not as badly as having my neurons permanently etched with the picture of Hubbards sack!
        Do you understand the degree of difficulty in reprogramming an etched brain forest of neuron’s?
        Yes, it can be done,… but I only had 100 billion nerve cells in there in the first place.
        At my age I have probably already murdered half of them with drugs and alcohol anyway.
        The chance that I will be able to move forward in life without this searing image coming back to haunt me has a probability ratio of “Doh” divided by “Are you kidding me”?=I STILL SEE IT EVEN WHEN MY EYES ARE CLOSED!!!

        • Captain Howdy

          Oh you poor thing, and you didn’t even get to see D.J’s ass on top of it and the Yankees tied while the Giants won..YAY!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            You, my dear….are an ASS!

            Muah!

        • FistOfXenu

          You have some serious engrams there but $cientarCONon can absolutely help you with that.
          Let me just have your credit card, now sign here, good. Follow me to the course room.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Only if there are cans!!!

            • FistOfXenu

              Have I got cans for you!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Miscavige’s vultures are circling the globe for wounded creatures and bottom feeding for the most vulnerable. Alfreddie Johnson appears to some (and that would include me) much like pond scum. Leila Wills is all over this NOI/Scientology invasion of the black community and is Not letting them slither into the neighbor unnoticed.

    Considering NOI has it’s Enforcer wing, like OSA, this will end as well as Narconon, another bottom feeder, or children in low income classrooms, another of our society’s throwaways that if we are honest, no one else cares much about or has any time and resources left for them. So Applied Scholastics under whatever name creeps into the neighborhood and oh, look who’s already there, grooming and schmoozing desperate parents or councils…Alfreddie and his cohorts.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/339486949466120/permalink/361933050554843/

    • Poison Ivy

      That’s a good point, Hole. I find this very troubling, as NOI has some really crazy (and racist) ideas and if you’ve ever been around NOI enforcers, they are very scary and the threat of violence is right there below the surface (Michael Jackson used NOI bodyguards, for example.) If children are indoctrinated into both CO$ and NOI at an early age (which APS helps them to do), they will be even less able to think critically, think for themselves. This is NOT good. Not good at all. We like to snicker at it, but to me it’s a flashing red DANGER WILL ROBINSON sign.

      • coonellie

        You are so right! We must not let this germinate further.

        True story about my NOI experience: I remember being stuck at Dulles the morning after the Million Man March. Just me and an airport full of NOI and those pumped up by them. Airport security had melted away. For two hours I sat, book on lap, not moving, having to listen to their gibes, insults and general intimidation. There were a few other men that were obviously uncomfortable with it, but they weren’t about to do anything. What I remember most was one of my childhood comic idols as one of the ringleaders (Flip Wilson) hanging out with obvious NOI ‘guards’.

        To put it in perspective, I had been in the West Bank a number of years earlier during the first intidada and it wasn’t even scary compared to sitting in that airport.

        • Captain Howdy

          Holy shit..goodtimes. My NOI experience was me and every over white person in Frisco looking over their shoulder every 2 seconds and not going out of the house past sundown thanks to the Zebra killers.

    • Missionary Kid

      I’d prefer that vultures circle DM.

  • i-Betty

    Gosh, this SMERSH is hard, but I’ve gone with OCMB and Andreas. I love you, too, Mark!

  • It won’t be long until David Miscavage forms an alliance with Kim Jong Un, as North Korea most resembles a nation run by the Sea Org.

    • Poison Ivy

      Our JohnP is quite the expert on the similarities.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      And Kim Jong Un is just the right size to be a “big being”!
      That is just what we need,….throw NK in with NOI and Scientology.
      Psycho soup!

      • FistOfXenu

        At least North Korea’s a real country. Just about. Not like Ron’s Bulgravia. But they have their own nuttiness, they don’t need DM or Louie.

        • Hey, the Nation of Islam is a real “nation” isn’t it?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Sheesh…look at the map…see it…It is right there next to Bulgravia!

      • John P.

        Kim Jong Eun is apparently a bit taller than ol’ Dad, who was quite short, probably Miscavige-minus on the Napoleon Complex scale. Some estimates suggest he could even be as tall as 5′ 9″ versus dad’s approximately 5′ 1″ height (minus elevator shoes and pompadour hairstyle).

        • BuryTheNuts2

          There is no way I am swallowing 5’9″.
          I give him 5’6″ max.

          • Captain Howdy

            “Kim Cho’ng-u’n is approximately180 cm (5’ 9”) tall and weighs 90 kg (198 lbs)”

            .http://nkleadershipwatch.wordpress.com/kim-jong-un/

            • Sherbet

              All you had to do was ask his new BFF, Dennis Rodman.

            • Captain Howdy

              Dennis “The Worm” Rodman signed a NDA.

              P.S- I just looked up his nickname and thought “How appropriate”.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              More theatrics!
              No way that dude is taller than me!

          • Trustmeonthis

            You forget who makes the rulers in NK.
            People laugh at Kim K for saying she’s a size 4. Of course she THINKS she’s a size 4! Someone drives down to the fashion district, buys the little “4” labels, and stitches them into her dresses. Et voila!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Your mixing your metaphors!….or at least your Kim’s! or something!
              I have a headache.

      • Captain Howdy

        Perhaps CofS, NOI and N Korea are trying to form a..uuuuuh..oh I know!….an “Axis of Evil”…heh, heh. I’m smartz.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Howdy, your not smartz…your brilliantz!

          • Captain Howdy

            Thanx and where’s Skip when you want him?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              No kidding!
              Let it go Skip…
              Come back….

            • Midwest Mom hasn’t been back either, maybe after Easter she’ll resurrect?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Yep.
              Expect her!

        • Ze Moo

          Bitter after being snubbed for membership in the “Axis of Evil”, Libya,
          China, and Syria today announced they had formed the “Axis of Just as
          Evil”, which they said would be way eviler than that Iran-Iraq-North
          Korea axis President Bush warned of in his State of the Union address.

          Axis of Evil members, however, immediately dismissed the new axis as having,
          for starters, a really dumb name. “Right. They are Just as Evil…in
          their dreams!” declared North Korean leader Kim Jong-il. “Everybody
          knows we’re the best at being evil.”

          Diplomats from Syria denied they were jealous over being excluded,although they conceded that they did ask if they could join the Axis of Evil. “They told us it was full,”
          said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

          “An Axis can’t have more than three countries,” explained Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. “This is not my rule, it’s tradition. In World War II you had Germany, Italy, and Japan in the Evil Axis. So you can only have three. And a secret handshake – ours is wicked cool.”

          Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations rushed to gain triumvirate status in what became a game of
          geopolitical musical chairs. Cuba, Sudan, and Serbia said they had formed the “Axis of Somewhat Evil”, forcing Somalia to join with Uganda and Myanmar in the “Axis of Occasionally Evil”, while Bulgaria, Indonesia and Russia established the “Axis of Not So Much Evil Really As
          Just Generally Disagreeable”.

          With the criteria suddenly expanded and all the desirable clubs filling up, Sierra Leone, El
          Salvador, and Rwanda applied to be called the “Axis of Countries that
          Aren’t the Worst But Certainly Won’t Be Asked to Host the Olympics Any
          Time Soon”.

          Canada, Mexico, and Australia formed the “Axis of
          Nations That Are Actually Quite Nice But Secretly Have Nasty Thoughts
          About America”, while Spain, Scotland, and New Zealand established the
          “Axis of Countries That Allow Sheep to Wear Lipstick”.

          “That’s not a threat, really, just something we like to do,” said Scottish Executive First Minister Jack McConnell.

          Bush granted approval for most axes, although he rejected the establishment
          of he “Axis of Countries Whose Names End in ‘Guay'”, accusing one of its
          members of filing a false application. Officials from Paraguay and
          Uruguay denied the charges, and Norwguay cited spelling errors and pleaded for leniency.

          • nessness

            come on, Canada has overts about America (just the government peeps never the people) and then we duck all that drawing it in according to Looney irResponsiblecHrap flows overhead and we don’t catch a cold….and besides just remember if america remembers how to manufacture stuff, lipstick for sheep could be a neato export.

          • Sokramor

            Norwguay! I just fell out of my chair laughing 😀

  • Poison Ivy

    “Scientologists behaved like normal people around pregnant women (that is, to the extent that a Scientologist could ever be accused of acting normal).”

    Yes, it’s normal to make pregnant women sleep on the ground in a parking garage filled with dirt and grime and automobile fumes (Nancy Many.)

    Ironically, Hubbard is right about the frequency of early spontaneous miscarriages…except they happen on a friggin’ cellular level that almost never (except perhaps in the case of heavy drug use) has anything at all to do with anything the mother does or doesn’t do. A lot of complicated things have to happen in a zygote to allow it to go on and become a healthy pregnancy and mother nature has a way of discarding those with early flaws. It’s not the mother’s “fault.” Man. Way to make women feel terrible about themselves.

    Hubbard infuriates me with his cavalier use of “science” to manipulate people.

    I’m even more dismayed at the women who are out of CO$ who still think Hubbard’s “Tech” (GOD I hate that word!) has something to offer them. Look at what this guy was say to you, sisters! Is this any kind of man you’d want to follow?

    • FistOfXenu

      Stands. Applauds.

      PI, that hits the bullseye here. No matter how hard they try to pass for normal the inhuman policy and bizarro tech gets in the way and the mask slips. But to be fair Vance did say “that is, to the extent that a Scientologist could ever be accused of acting normal” so maybe that’s what he’s getting at too.

      • Poison Ivy

        Well, to be fair, I think your average public Scientologist would be appalled at the way pregnant women are treated on staff and in the Sea Org. But of course, they don’t know about it…and if they do happen to read about it, they are trained to write it off as “entheta” by all the aberrated enemies of Scientology.

    • nessness

      There is no honour for men or women to belong to this scum øf a group, the sooner anyone comes to that conclusion and finds a way to spit on the beliefs but not on the believers the better.

      • FistOfXenu

        Good distinction! I think it’s 1 of the ongoing puzzles here.

  • Vance summed up the brainless acolytes of Scientology with lucid clarity: “The attitude is that answers to your questions are in Hubbard’s writings. There shall be no discussion. Just read what the guy wrote. Implicitly, if Hubbard did not answer your question, then your question is dumb and not worth answering.

    I don’t know the proportion of those who slavishly follow the pompous preachings of self-important gurus, as opposed to those with critical thinking skills who question ideas they don’t agree with, but the ratio of the former to the latter may be worse than I imagine.

    Hubbard had no idea what the word ‘research’ meant. It doesn’t mean ‘wishful thinking’.

    Was he ever present at the birth of any of his children? That might have been a salutary experience for such an unpleasant misogynist, though it might have given him an engram or two! It is an unnerving experience for a husband to observe, but an important event to witness in my opinion..

    I try to be kind to people, but have difficulty feeling sympathy towards adults in full control of their own destinies who choose willingly to deny their Independence, intelligence, dignity and self respect and let their basic nature become warped and twisted by the teachings of a sadistic sociopath to the extent that they disconnect from their families and friends.

    Andrew

    • Poison Ivy

      “Hubbard had no idea what the word ‘research’ meant. It doesn’t mean ‘wishful thinking’.”

      Brilliant, Andrew.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      NO ANDREW NO!

      We are not “brainless acolytes” in Scientology!

      By actual OCA testing, our IQ;s are much higher than those of wogs. We are also “super literate” thanks to the Founder’s study tech. For example, we never go past a word we do not understand.

    • Exterrier

      “I try to be kind to people, but have difficulty feeling sympathy towards adults in full control of their own destinies who choose willingly to deny their Independence, intelligence, dignity and self respect and let their basic nature become warped and twisted by the teachings of a sadistic sociopath to the extent that they disconnect from their families and friends.”………
      So Very, very, very well said, Andrew. You put your finger on exactly why I had to distance myself way away from these people. Brings it home to me clearly, in fact. I simply lost all respect for them, as intelligent and accomplished as some of them were and are. Don’t ask how I got in in the first place…there was some actual help I received at a bad time in my life….but as soon as I observed people writing off and shunning friends and family with such zombie like obedience, especially since these people were obviously not sociopaths as stated, I just felt alien being among them. It is disgustingly servile and weak. And they show it, really. The ones I see are mostly sad and deluded people detached from the real world, living in the fearful shadow world of cognitive dissonance. I actually do find it hard to have sympathy for them, as you say.

  • What an absokute overabundance of asinine bullshit. I experienced horrible morning sickness withall three of my pregnancies and I assure you, knitting needles weren’t to blame.

    His sick facination with things unfamiliar to him (vaginas included) is appalling.

    • i had 24 hours of labor with no pain meds…fucking knitting needles 😉

      • Captain Howdy

        You should have called me.

        • remember that night in March about 11 years ago when you woke up at like 1am because you heard screams that sounded like they were right in the next room ? That was me …..

    • I’ve always thought that, Mimi, since the FIRST time I read DIanetics. It seemed SO outrageous then, and it WAS and IS!! I agree, his fascination (and joy in creating such things) IS appalling. <<< the correct word!!

    • FistOfXenu

      Poor guy. Him and Parsons thought “vagina” was another word for “parchment”.

  • Ze Moo

    While I can understand CO$ wanting to expand their market into the african-american community, I don’t see what NOI gets out the deal. NOI loyal enough to take the dianetics courses and auditing don’t need the dianetics brainwashing, they have already been washed, dried,starched and folded. They don’t get any claim or interest in CO$ businesses, so what do they get? Are they going to take over the mOrg? As no local mOrg owns its own property, that scheme is out. I remain puzzled.

    Yakub meet Xenu, which is more science fictiony? Both groups have trillions of years of earth history, I don’t know who is more ‘out there’.

    Going to Lron for medical advice is ridiculous, who goes to a college dropout for anything except fries to with their burger. I can see why Lrons parents never had other children. One spawn of Satan was enough.

    Xenu dot net reaches more people the Bearded One. Tusand takk Andreas……

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      ZeMoo, from what I can gather, NOI, like scientology, pretends millions of members, but more like 10,000 to 15,000 (sorry, I don’t have link anymore). The remaining flock have been fleeced and noticing they are still suffering, poor, and all the business networking Louie promised, as well as the miracles expected from doing whatever “scriptures” were thrown to the crowd, still no results. Perhaps Louis is getting a cut of something somewhere, and now his latest snake oil to sell his followers is dianetics. It’s his version of Deflector Carrots.

      • Ze Moo

        I have to go with ‘Deflector Carrots’. Sounds like a start trek garden vegetable. Your membership numbers are close to estimates others have made. If that is the case, NOI will implode with Louies death. Few cults survive the death of the founder, or re-founder in Louies case.

        • Sokramor

          All aboard the USS Vegetable Patch. Broccoli… er, Barclay can be the captain.

      • Ze Moo

        The whyweprotest page had some additional lron quotes that I had not seen before. He really was a racist bastard.

    • CraftLass

      Don’t forget, you turn to college dropouts for much of the tech to read this blog… lol. Just needed to add some perspective. That said, I don’t even turn to a doctor for medical advice unless he or she can show ongoing training after med school. A good doctor’s schooling never ends.

      I wonder how far the highest-level in Scn NOI member has gotten? It seems like when a NOI member gets to OTIII there would be major competition between brainwashings. The whole pairing is so weird. The only thing I can see for them to agree on is that faux-military style is all the rage.

      • Captain Howdy

        Thanks for saying what I, college (and societal) dropout, was going to write in relation to Ze Moo’s otherwise excellent comment.

        http://collegedropoutshalloffame.com/

        • CraftLass

          It needed saying. 🙂 College is a great thing and I fight for everyone’s right to go if they want, but it’s not for everyone or even necessary to success (depending on your field, of course). Many of the most successful people I know dropped out, even a lot of people I know who now have advanced degrees dropped out at least once. Heck, I left because I was offered a better job than a degree would have given me (and because I was bored out of my skull, classes moved wayyyyy too slowly). Not all dropouts are losers or idiots. many are better-educated than a lot of people with multiple pieces of paper on their walls.

          There’s a lot of mocking of short people and college dropouts around here, for very good and often hilarious reasons, but as a person who is both, once in awhile it gets a little old. lol

          Awesome site there, thanks for the link!

          P.S. Even though I don’t think college is the best choice for everyone, I do despise any group who thinks it’s just useless. Most people do need a degree to get ahead and many need it as a stepping stone to adulthood. Groups that suggest college is not something to aspire to clearly have ulterior motives to keep their members ignorant.

          • Captain Howdy

            Thanks and great comment. One of the major problems facing the U.S is way too many people with degrees in professional service sector jobs and not enough skilled blue collar workers. Maybe we should start assigning people careers like they did in the Soviet Union. ……j/k

            • Missionary Kid

              Maybe we can use e-meters to make sure they’re assigned to the right profession. 😉

            • CraftLass

              LOL! What we really need to do is explain to young adults that some blue collar professions are more reliably lucrative. Things have changed. A law degree or PhD often leads to chronic unemployment, but a good plumber will have work forever (just one of many possible examples). It used to be that a professional degree was a guarantee of work for life, not true anymore.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      who goes to a college dropout for anything except fries to go with their burger.

      Well, from my point of view alone, I see about a dozen college graduates who “go to me” on quite a regular basis to make sure that paycheck hits their bank accounts every other Thursday.

      And I have never asked a single one of them if they want fries with their burger!

      Although, I would be happy to do so if I were so inclined as to buy them lunch.
      .

      • Observer

        You’re one up on me. I am but a lowly high school graduate.

        • Missionary Kid

          That puts you ahead of LRH. He may have graduated, but it’s obvious he didn’t care about any real learning.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            The only thing LRH graduated from was “fake my own diploma U”!

            • Missionary Kid

              I should have been clearer. I was talking about LRH graduating from high school. Observer is still ahead of him. I think he faked his way through high school.

            • stillgrace

              Pretty sure LRH graduated from high school (whether or not he faked it doesn’t count in diploma-land, unfortunately). Are you confusing LRH with David Miscavige, who definitely did not make it through high school?

            • Missionary Kid

              No, I know LRH graduated from high school, but Observer has gone much further because she didn’t fall for or start a fake religion.

            • Observer

              YET … muahahaha!

            • Missionary Kid

              If you do start a religion, I’ll join, if for no other reason than to expose you later on. You can buy my silence with a big payoff. 😀

            • Observer

              *crosses “start a cult” off list of possible career paths*

            • Missionary Kid

              If you don’t lie about your past, and are honest about what you do, there’s no blackmail. Somehow, I don’t think you’d do it anyway. 🙂

            • Can I get a burger and fries with that? *g*

            • Observer

              lol! I have never actually worked at a fast-food place. I’m a fast typist and can spell, so even my part-time jobs in high school were office work.

            • I have. Wendy’s and KFC. Great motivation for going to college. Especially if you have to clean the bathroom.

            • Observer

              Ugh, I bet.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          And one of the smartest people here!

          I have a “thing” with advanced education bias, as not everyone is handed the proper set of circumstances to further their education in the ways that they may wish too. And I know the argument of if you really want it, yada, yada…
          But it is not always just that simple.

          • Observer

            Thank you … and trust me, my circumstances were such that it’s mildly surprising I’m not a serial killer.

            • Missionary Kid

              Or worse, DM.

            • Observer

              Snort!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I empathize!

            • Captain Howdy

              with animals, otherwise I’d have my own trading card.

          • Missionary Kid

            Amen, and I have a B.A. The VA paid for over half. There is an advanced education bias, and it’s wrong much of the time.

            • CraftLass

              The weirdest thing is that it goes both ways. There are people who are truly elitist about it, and there are people who seem to thing having a degree is a negative. It’s so silly. As you said quite well, it’s what you do with your knowledge, not what degrees you do or don’t have.

              In some fields a traditional education is very important, in some it’s just a waste of money and time. For some people who go, college is just a time to party. For others, it’s the foundation for everything they want. In the end, the type of person you are will dictate what you do. It will be influenced by factors like education but that basic personality will shape all your actions in the long run.

              That said, you can’t call anything you do “science” when you clearly don’t even have enough of a science education to understand the scientific method. That’s my big issue with LRH, not that he dropped out of college. It’s that he used the word “science” in various forms for something that is quite the opposite. He also did that thing where he proclaimed himself an expert in many things, which is a title one can not bestow upon oneself.

            • Missionary Kid

              Contrast the Hub with Isaac Asimov who wrote hundreds of books on vastly different subjects, as well as science fiction. His two volume tome on Shakespeare has been critically acclaimed. His writing on number theory for laymen was a revelation for me, and I’d had a class in number theory when I read it.

              Asimov made science and learning accessible, while LRH obfuscated and lied and worked opposing science to suit his own ends. Asimov had a PHD, and he used it, but he also used his ability to learn to teach others. He never flaunted his degrees.

              His income from his non-academic writing and writing far outside of his specialty gave him the freedom to stand up to the university where he taught and gave him true academic freedom.

              Asimov never had to declare himself an expert. He was, but he also didn’t make statements that weren’t true to the best of his knowledge.

          • Observer

            Yeah, that was probably me trying to hit reply and missing, which is way too easy to do on this phone. :-/. Half the time when I go to edit a post I end up down-arrowing myself. It’s not like I have huge ham fists or anything. It must be that lack of a college education. lol

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Damn,…I am feeling spunky today. I was ready to spar!

            • FistOfXenu

              I got an extra pair of 8 oz gloves here if you need the exercise and you can go easy on an old man.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Too late.. I hit the gym and now I am all tired and passive….

            • FistOfXenu

              Perfect, BTN! I feel a lot safer already. C’mon, lace up.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Got a speed bag?

              Have rhythm, will travel!

            • FistOfXenu

              I never use drugs before a workout. Too risky. Never use them at all now.
              😛

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Smart aleck!

            • FistOfXenu

              Funny, that’s what I was called all growing up. I was 8 before I figured out my 1st name wasn’t Alexander.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              My dad used to call us kids ” mickey mouse outfits”
              I used to think I was big black ears and red shorts!

            • FistOfXenu

              At least he didn’t call you Goofy.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Wanna bet?

              And my main nickname….

              wait for it!!!

              SQUIRREL!

      • Missionary Kid

        Ultimately, it isn’t the degree that matters, it’s what’s done with the knowledge. LRH used the knowledge that he gained from his different cons and only embellished it with the terms he learned in college and hanging out with people who actually had knowledge.about subjects.

        Everything he did was based on his own twisted mind.

      • Ze Moo

        Leaving college or dropping out is no indicator of intelligence. I have known several people with masters and phds who couldn’t fill out a 1040 tax form or change a tire. I should have said ‘who goes to a college dropout for medical advice’……..forgive, I am not that elitist. One of the best EMTs (emergency medical techs) I know has a high school ed and has saved several lives on his ambulance crew.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I still love you!

      • Oh dear, and here I have a college degree and have been known to ask that question on several occasions (both on the way to that degree and of the various short people that follow me around demanding to be fed.)

    • Johan

      I’m baffled as well. Could it be as simple as LF getting money out of the deal?

  • i-Betty

    If unborn babies are so easily damaged, how does the CoS justify sending so many pregnant women to the RPF?

    • stillgrace

      Exactly! I was thinking of Nancy Many!

  • N. Graham

    It amuses me that in Dianetics LRH is so sure of his research. He mentions that clears do not have the pregnancy problems of non-clears, it is a scientific fact. And yet, this was a few years before he made a big deal out of “the first clear.” So if there weren’t any clears until after Scientology started, how did he know this “scientific fact?” Did he go ahead in time when there were already clears to do his research? Knowing LRH, that is probably the answer.

    • FistOfXenu

      I think he had more than 1 1st clear, just like he had a 1st wife and a 3rd wife but “I never had a 2nd wife”.
      Ron is even more amazing than anybody knows because he had to do all his “research” with such a piss poor knowledge of math.

      DM learned math from him. How many times can you open the same new revolutionary breakthrough Super Powers Building? 1. And 1.

      • N. Graham

        Ya, I don’t remember any Clear # 2s.

    • Missionary Kid

      So many contradictions, so little time…

    • grundoon

      He lied. There was no research. There were no clears.

  • Sherbet

    Maybe I’m reading too much into the bus ad, but the text, “Find out for yourself” with the “self” in a large font seems to be the cos’s backlash against all the recent negative publicity about scn. In other words, the cos is saying, “We know you’ve heard a lot of lies and bad stuff about scn recently from bitter defrocked apostates with axes to grind and books to sell (or from jerks with websites…), but you really need to find out for yourSELF.” Presumably, once people delve into the Sacred Scripture of Ron, the scales will fall from their eyes, and all will be crystal clear: Scientology is just fab, and anyone who says otherwise is a liar.

    On another note, on behalf of my uterus, I wish to say lrh’s head was way up inside a different human orifice, and he’s spouting nonsense. But you all knew that, anyway.

    • Captain Howdy

      Either that or the clams are trying to give us wogs the tone 40 stink-eye.

      • Sherbet

        It’s not working. We’re still onto them.

  • BosonStark

    In the 1940s and 50s, there was probably a lot of interest in the challenges a baby faces as it leaves the safety and security of the womb, and enters the cruel world. There wasn’t as much known about nutrition or especially things like, smoking mothers have a 25% greater chance of giving birth prematurely.

    What was Hubbard’s revelation? Idiocy about the newborn, fetus or sperm hearing or misinterpreting words, and while a fetus, getting stabbed with knitting needles, pounded on, or f’kd up from washing machine sex. Dr. Hubtard dabbled with his remedies of barley water formula instead of milk and smoking more to prevent cancer, but it was really all about spending more money on auditing off engrams and later space cooties, or working like a slave to sell Scientology. His ideas themselves, because there was so many of them — and the more original they were, the more farfetched — no one today even discusses his ideas seriously — Scientologists themselves, are not allowed to.

  • John P.

    An interesting scenario: now that NOI people are apparently on staff, what happens when they start either getting promoted to Flag or Pac Base, and then get into trouble and get themselves cast into the RPF? It would be straight out of a pitch for some sort of low budget action flick to imagine some of the more unsavory NOI members mounting a “rescue mission.”

    • CoolHand

      The RPF is for Sea Org only now. I don’t think NOI members are joining the Sea Org, though I could be wrong. That would definitely be a funny scenario though!

      • John P.

        Interesting. Is that because a) the regular org staff are now so rippingly competent there’s no need for them ever to get sentenced to the RPF, b) the RPF is so full of failed Sea Org nitwits that there’s no room for regular staff, or c) they’re worried about bad publicity and thus they refrain from putting regular staff into the RPF?

        • CoolHand

          Sorry, I messed up on the reply: Good questions, and I’m not sure, honestly. I do know that it has been quite a while since non-Sea Org members were sentenced to the RPF, though they have figured out ways to have other similar-type punishments for them. My guess is because when a Sea Org member finally finishes the RPF they are still under their control, but a regular staff member gets to go home and share things with their friends and family members in the outside world – so it becomes more of a security issue for them.

        • sizzle8

          The RPF is supposed to be for Sea Org staff only. The Flag Orders that apply to it are meant for SO orgs only.

          I don’t know if non-SO staff have been sent to the RPF in recent years by fudging the rules.

          Iit wouldn’t have happened in the 80’s when I was on staff.

      • Guest

        Good questions, and I’m not sure, honestly. I do know that it has been quite a while since non-Sea Org members were sentenced to the RPF, though they have figured out ways to have other similar-type punishments for them. My guess is because when a Sea Org member finally finishes the RPF they are still under their control, but a regular staff member gets to go home and share things with their friends and family members in the outside world – so it becomes more of a security issue for them.

    • Casabeca

      Saw a NOI street preacher in Harvard Sq years back. Twelve big, angry-looking dudes, arms like Xs, fists clenched. There was no messing around, no chance of disrespect.
      Will not soon forget.

  • InTheNameOfXenu

    I’m not surprised that Farrakhan has embraced Hubbard’s bullshit hook, line and sinker. ‘Calypso’ Louis in fact has a lot in common with Miscavige. They are both cult leaders. Farrakhan has had his hand in Malcolm X’s murder. Miscavige has plenty of blood in his hands. In fact, Miscavige’s tiny hands are gushing with the red stuff. They both run a con that brainwashes and robs their members of all their money. It is a marriage of two evil organizations.

    It’s a desperate attempt on Miscavige’s part to bring in a militant, racist, black-supremist group to a mostly white Scientology. This merger will become a weird mutation of two cults. Will NOI members give up their quasi-Muslim beliefs? Will they attempt to change Scientology from within? How will OSA respond to this? These are questions I often ponder.

    • Interesting, the DM/LF comparisons. For starters, they’re both the direct successors to their cults’ founders, and they’ve both held on to that job for longer than or almost as long as the founder. They both have the ability to drone on about absolute nonsense for hours on end. (I think LF stunned most of his Million Man March audience with the revelation that his ideas are underpinned with numerology.) And of course, they both crave total control.

  • John P.

    I just thought of something. Today, we learn that Hubbard thinks all sorts of bad things happen to fetuses in utero. But on the other hand, wasn’t there a big discussion recently about how there is a very complicated cosmology about thetans, body thetans, and “genetic entities,” the low-level something-or-others that occupies bodies that haven’t been picked up by thetans (which are, apparently, not too bright, being just capable enough of keeping hearts beating, etc.). And we’ve seen all sorts of discussion from the OT success stories back when Tony was posting old stuff from “Advance!” magazine (how I miss those days) about people counseling recently deceased thetans to go to the maternity ward and grab a new body. Why care about what happens to a “genetic entity” in utero if they’re just going to be replaced at the moment of birth or soon after with a thetan hopping aboard?

    I realize that all this prenatal lunacy is Dianetics and not Scientology proper. But is there any attempt to reconcile these two views of what happens around the “miracle of birth” in the cult? Or if you actually point out the contradictions, do you get sent to the RPF or sec checked or otherwise handled? Somebody who’s been in and knowledgeable about such things (Chuck Beatty, you out there today?) could contribute some useful perspective.

    • Sherbet

      Wait — You found some gap in the logic of the sacred texts which implies lrh was making it up as he went along?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        And it sounds as if he found…”gasp” …contradictions too?

        Sherbet, should we write this up as “Things that should not be” report?

        • Sherbet

          I can’t. I’m too shocked to write.

          • Missionary Kid

            I’m laughing my ass off at you two. Thanks.
            The Venn diagram for logic and Dianutty has them unconnected.

            • Sherbet

              I rest my case.

            • FistOfXenu

              Can it still be a Venn diagram if the 2 circles are on different pieces of paper on opposite sides of the globe?

            • Missionary Kid

              Chuckle. Yup. Since they’re totally unconnected, that would be appropriate.

      • FistOfXenu

        Unbelievable isn’t it? Next thing you know somebody’ll say LRH wasn’t the 1st nuclear physicist. Or that $cientology doesn’t work and there are no OTs or Clears.

        • Sherbet

          Pretty drastic thinking there, fella. D’you think it would come to that??

          • FistOfXenu

            Well you know, it’s like unraveling a sweater. You pull on 1 little thread and next thing you know your cat’s looking all befuddled in a big curly nest of wool thread and some crazy guy’s saying “Of course, if it’s true that Mr. Hubbard was never injured during the war, then he never did heal himself using Dianetics principles, then Dianetics is based on a lie, and then Scientology is based on a lie”. Then Tommy disappears from sight. That would be pretty serious wouldn’t it?

            • Missionary Kid

              And joyful.

            • Sherbet

              Ah, that WAS fun. Good times.

    • Sherbet

      I used to read Superman comics when I was a kid. In the letters to the editor section, some smart guy would always challenge the comic’s writers to explain a gaping plot hole in a prior issue. Funny — the writers almost always came up with some nonsensical story explaining why, say, Superman hadn’t melted a plastic clock although he had stared at it with his X-ray eyes. It’s all the same thing. Sci Fi writer makes up stories; people question the logic; writer piles on more rhetorical BS to cover his ample a$$. Superman was fiction, and so is dianetics.

      • FistOfXenu

        I remember those days. Now I guess nobody asks the hard questions from the comics so they don’t have to answer. Same with dianetics.

    • V for Vacation

      I also really miss the “Advance!” postings. The Scilon testimonies were priceless, but even more, I miss the junior high theatre club photography tableaus.

      • Missionary Kid

        They’ve got the Star Wars themes now on their posters.

      • Captain Howdy

        I gave someone over on the rodeo a link to a download of Advance mag scans that I believe Tony didn’t have or use. Anybody ?

    • sizzle8

      In the theory, the Genetic Entity isn’t replaced by the thetan assuming the body. A human being is considered a composite being made up of the GE, the thetan and many additional entities – all with different ‘cases’, memories, etc.. The whole mish-mash interacts with each other but the thetan, the main awareness, thinks that he is the only one.

  • villagedianne

    Many years ago I bought and read a used copy of Dianetics. I thought some of the ideas had merit, but had been expressed better elsewhere. Also the misogynistic tone of the book was a turn-off, really offensive. Prevented me from taking LRH seriously.
    I voted for OCMB. It was my intro to Scientology-watching and a great resource early on. For instance, Tory Christman left COS sometime around the turn of the millenium, and OCMB played a part in her departure.

    • Missionary Kid

      It didn’t work because you actually read and though about what he wrote. You didn’t get the pablum and love-bomb routine that they use to hook clams.

  • Artoo45

    Ow. That was a terrible choice to have to make. WBM vs. AH-L? Operation Clambake was what got me down the rabbit hole in the first place. Mr. Bunker put himself in harm’s way on many occasions, XenuTV is a great resource and I fully expect Knowledge Report to be a grand addition to the Cavalcade of Entheta we are in the midst of. I had to go with my Norwegian pal in this round since his site as been a main repository of all things critical of the cult for almost two decades.

  • Aw man ! I live in Denver and totally have not seen that bus ;(

  • Not completely on topic, but I ran across this link on a gossip blog (where everyone was making fun of TC’s shiny new face.)

    http://glamurama.uol.com.br/apesar-da-fama-tom-cruise-precisa-de-figurantes-em-estreia-no-rio/

    Apparently, the Tom Cruise “fans” were paid to go see Oblivion in Brazil.

    • Ze Moo

      Great find, I love it! $25.00 US to watch a TC film.

  • wow – a guy made up a religion that hates women – AGAIN ….

    • Casabeca

      Shock! 😉

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Been checking out the 4 staff listed on the email in Rinder’s Blog. So far, I’m a lot less concerned about NOI staffing scientology. 2 of the 4 aren’t NOI. Typical staff who own business to survive or cram a bunch in one house to save money, and use it for business tax write off purposes. They get very little of the services they sell.

    Refugio Davila is Owner of Davil Auto Service , Sci services since 2004, include grades, Power.

    Karen Rennord’s, Chicago staff, 92 did Int Rundown and Dianetics Course 2003.
    Home address is also listed as home of other scientologists, Martinez, Dadal, but also business of Eftag, Inc, listed as recording studio, elsewhere as business consultant, (it’s a 1500 sq ft, 1 bath house!)
    Scientologists Erik Martin and Jamie Blythe
    http://www.manta.com/c/mm38dcl/eftegs-inc
    http://amerpages.com/eng/usa/IL/items/view/140732/eftegs-inc
    http://www.homerecordingstudiodesign.com/about

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Sister Adrienne Michelle Muhammad, Is a NOI member, the person who wrote the email, and is only scouting for Dianetics customers, which she plans to deliver at the Chicago Org. This is not her full time job. She is with NOI, as well as studying others subjects, into other business, and this appears just to be a sideline.
    “We are here to deliver the Hubbard Dianetics Seminar, the Hubbard Dianetics Seminar Co-Audit Course,and Book One Intensives (5 hour and 36 hour).”

    “I am currently a businesswoman in-training (agribusiness/farming/hospitality)and have determined that when an occassion arises, I would like to be better groomed for a Social Secretary post. I labored as an Administrator for Claudette Marie Muhammad, National Chief of Protocol of The Nation of Islam and author of her first book, “Memories”. Several of my duties at that time fell under the post of Social Secretary.” Adrienne Michelle Muhammad
    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/12/advice_to_desiree_rogers_obama.html

    “I have experienced an improvement in how to apply the principle of long suffering, forbearance and humility by using this tech. I have a deeper realization that the way to rise above emotions- those which come from our reactive mind- into the thinking of Allah (God), is to apply this tech. This has almost totally dissolved my insecurity of self-expression and – regarding being accepted by others. Thank you Master Fard Muhammad for handpicking me to strive to be a helper of the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan. I am honored!” Sister Adrienne Michelle Muhammad Communication Workshop Testimonies
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:vBtvM2Aj_KIJ:maryamauditing.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/communication-workshop-testimonies-fcn.docx+&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    • ‘Humility’. Doesn’t Sister Adrienne reeks of humility! With her bizarre misunderstanding of the meaning of the word, she’ll fit in well with the sheer awfulness of Scientology’s closed-group arrogance and bigotry.

      This love affair between two narrow minded and vicious cults will end in tears. I hesitate to say that this will be a good thing because of the many shattered lives and broken relationships it will leave behind, though for many it will be a life enhancing lesson and they will end up stronger and less likely to believe in fairy stories and false promises in the future.

      Andrew

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        This is sad. Hubbard has helped her block out her basic survival instincts as well as her emotions. She’s already had lessons learned through Louie the Fark, but struggling, sometimes its hard to just shut up and mend her guru’s holes in his socks like a true loyal slave while starving or exhausted.

    • Ze Moo

      I loved the testimonials for the ‘bull baiting’ sessions. Yeah, yelling and screaming at people makes you an effective communicator. These sessions look like the clueless leading the clueless. I can’t for the life of me pick out who is the most clueless…..

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    We in RTC hasten to add that pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis is a disease caused by prenatal engrams, and particularly so in those children whose mothers worked in Sea Org coals mines during pregnancy, as really any woman should do to keep her exchange in; pregnancy being no excuse to lolly gag and not keep the money rolling in for Scientology products and services.

    In brighter news, we in RTC declare unequivocally that we hate both Mark Bunker and OCMB with an equal and righteous hatred bordering on a Type III sort of catatonic seizure. Right now, we are so heavily restimulated by Bunker and xenu.net that we feel as if an icepick has been shoved into our left eye socket and rotated to effect a lobotomy. But we know this is just a secondary of when “mom” used a coat hanger on us when we were in her tummy.

    Anyway, no case on post! We in RTC have to get back to running the experiment in Number 7:

    http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/Computer_zpsef44d408.jpg

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    The 4th staff mentioned is Maurice Holman. Again, this is a side line, but I am most concerned about his participation. He was close to 30 year staff at Dept of Veterans Affairs. Last jobs were as Discrimination Counselor. He is NOI, and also VP of a ministry that gets Funds ($ here’s the money crumb) from the City of Chicago (taxpayers) for outreach program involved in Drug/Rehab/Detox. He’s been involved with Alcoholics Anonymous since 1991 as well and very active in different positions. I see possibility that he might be being used for all his previous connections, but I don’t see his name (yet) connected to Narconon, but I wonder if funds might be used to get people (homeless people lying around in O’Hare airport!) into the org for Purif via these city funds. Very interesting, but again, he’s hardly hard core, full time scientology staff. He’s just using the org to deliver services, but with an “official” title. This one Is very interesting in an alarming kind of way.

    Maurice 11X Holman” Maurice Holman, Vice President, OperationOverlordMinistries
    http://www.operationoverlordministries.org/about.html
    Maurice 11X is a registered member of the Nation of Islam at Mosque Maryam in Chicago.
    He is currently enrolled at Harold Washington City College in the Addictions Studies curriculum.
    He has been employed since August of 2007 at Haymarket Center as an Outreach Worker at O’Hare Airport, where he performs daily case assessments and referrals of homeless, mentally ill, alcohol and substance abuse individuals.

    http://www.hcenter.org/about%20us/aboutus.html
    (on sponsors/affiliates page, includes CARF)
    Under detox: “are referred to other programs of Haymarket Center or to other agencies for further residential or outpatient substance abuse treatment.”

    Fired for poor performance at Dept of Veterans; he sued for discrimination, lost case.
    http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/illinois/ilndce/1:2007cv04518/211742/46

  • Captain Howdy

    Just saw this tweet from Mark:

    “My #Scientology doc Knowledge Report will be released when every theatre on the planet is St. Hill size. Make it so.”

    Wise Beard Man FTW!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Flip flopper!

      You act like a Florida gubernatorial candidate!

      • Captain Howdy

        That all depends on what your definition of “FTW” means, Monica.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          lulz

  • Ze Moo

    Tom Cruises new movie comes out in 2 weeks. Ireland anons will be protesting.
    http://www.examiner.com/article/anonymous-ireland-will-picket-tom-cruise-oblivion-premiere

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      “The Anonymous collective is well known as a dauntless, defiant, and resolute adversary of Scientology.” lol

    • Captain Howdy

      Anon & Erin Go Braugh !

      • Ze Moo

        Oblivion is getting a major advertising budget and should get a nice press tour when its run gets closer. I wonder if any interviewer has the courage to ask about scamatology and NarCONon or just postpartum depression?

        • Captain Howdy

          I’m guessing all interview questions are pre-approved and TC has a 300 lb gorilla lurking just out of camera view.

  • I am no longer willing to participate in the SMERSH challenge and will refrain from casting a vote.

    The candidate for whom I worked so hard to support and who was clearly the most worthy challenger was eliminated by a blonde woman which is unacceptable. Perhaps if she had red hair my disappointment would not have been so acute.

    In Australia, unlike New Zealand, voting is compulsory and failure to provide a good reason for not exercising one’s democratic rights and obligations, would incur a fine of up to a $50 plus court costs.

    Fortunately, in Tony’s demesne there is no such monetary penalty, though of course I lose the right to whine about the unworthiness of the eventual ‘winner’.

    Andrew

    • sugarplumfairy

      I voted twice, so you can still whine..

      • Ze Moo

        So, we’re using ‘Chicago election rules’?? This one is difficult and the next ones will be just as hard.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        How did you vote twice? Cheater? Law Breaker? Ethics Violator?

        • sugarplumfairy

          Lol.. I was being a wiseass..

          • Captain Howdy

            Oh really ? We shall determine that after we oiliness board you over…9000 times!.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Oh OK….I try to act subversive…but in real life…I am the crossing guard from HELL

  • Mike Rinder is still a practicing Scientologist. Yet he is dissing the Nation of Islam because they are studying LRH? My take is this, He thinks Scientology is only for crazy white people, not crazy black people. If your ignorant enough to follow Farrakhan, your certainly ignorant enough to follow the teachings of LRH. What a racist pig.

    • 1subgenius

      “What a racist pig.”

      Only if your speculative assumption is correct.
      I think you’re wrong.

    • Captain Howdy

      I’m No huge fan of the 2 R’s but they believe that tech being used in CofS isn’t the real tech. They believe it’s “Black” (pun intended) scientology.

      • Captain Howdy

        Hey thanks for the down vote you humorless fuck, whoever you are. Weeeeeeeeeeeee !

        • BuryTheNuts2

          hehe

          down arrows make me orgasmic!

          • Captain Howdy

            Likewise. I vividly recall seeing the (last Sid) Pistols show in ’78 and the crowd was throwing anything that wasn’t nailed down at them, and Rotten was yelling “MORE, MORE” and I thought that was just purrrrrrrfect.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I am so JEALOUS! I would have loved to see that.
              I’snt that when Sid walked through the glass door?????????????????????
              AT the hotel whatever?

            • Captain Howdy

              The Hotel Mikado ? I have heard about that but I have no eyewitness. I do have witnesses to Sid od’ing at the Fillmore house after the show.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              The door happened man…rully!
              The door Happened!!!

            • Captain Howdy

              I read about it and I don’t care.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Britt Eklund! Nuff said!

  • the eyes never lie….

    • Observer

      Gads, that center tooth!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Eww yah!

  • nessness

    I never get very far in the post before my knickers are completely twisted by the nessiness of LRH

    “Morning sickness is entirely engramic, so far as can be discovered, since clears have not so far experienced it during their own pregnancies.”

    so far as can be discovered ?- this is my fav fav line in dianetics. He didn’t discover very far did he? His farness was pretty un-nessness as everyone else has discovered.

    calm , being one with the calm

    • nessness

      oh and according to the globe & mail we spend our first 30 hours of existence as one cell, so quiet is pretty much useless at that point I would think…

      • FistOfXenu

        Don’t believe it. If we can have sperm memories why not memories as single fertilized cells?

        • nessness

          I have no sperm memories…. We?

          well ok, some sperm memories, but I think this is a family blog

          • FistOfXenu

            Unless I got it wrong some people reported memories of past lives that were when they were sperm. Somebody here tell me if I got that wrong please?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            “but I think this is a family blog”

            Are you high?

            • Captain Howdy

              Maybe he meant “manson family blog” ?

            • nessness

              she has an odd family – also very open minded except for the killing people thing, and perhaps yelling too much….maybe other things, but we like bunkerites… yes we do… as far as I know

            • nessness

              by the way when I said she, I meant me. oh the meaning…oh the meaning…..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              hehehehe
              Are you related to Rose West or what?

            • nessness

              Rosemary West the serial killer, NO not at all and never, that gave me chills….seriously I volunteer in my neighbourhood for things like our community garden what is it that said Rosemary West? iccccck

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Sorry, and yes…that is who I meant.
              Sorry.

              At least you knew who she was!!!

            • nessness

              shiver….apology accepted… . I am old enough to be spooked by Rosemary West.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Ditto. The West’s were NOT RIGHT!
              To say the least!

            • Captain Howdy

              And I’m old enough to be spooked by Myra Hindley…Welcome.

            • Captain Howdy

              Perhaps you meant Rose Simpson, possible scientologist inspiration for “Stairway to Heaven” ?

            • Captain Howdy

              Hey, don’t get your bustlel in a reactive mind hedgerow.

            • nessness

              wow, my husband’s mom used to accuse people of being goofed up on goof balls. I always wanted a goof ball

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Well your timing is perfect…I think you found one!

            • nessness

              how delightful, I always thought I was one!

            • FistOfXenu

              I’d say you 2 are a perfect couple but I lost track of who’s who.

            • Captain Howdy

              “goofballs” were barbiturates like Seconal and Tuinal. Take one>drink booze> go see BOC> wake up in hospital/police station

    • sharon brown

      I’m with you ! I just want to know when LRH was pregnant or a woman to know all this sh*t ! Does anyone know which past lives he was one ? It seem like he had some Serious ” Mommy” issues the way he talks about women and how he treated his wives & girlfriends!Being a woman myself I can’t see following or listening to such a demeaning man ! Oh, I forgot , The Bridge to total freedom is actually The Prison of Belief ! To All $cions, I believe you’ve Served enough time now and are Free to Leave, Please !!!

  • Observer

    Off-topic, yet still cult-related headline of the day from the Daily Mail:

    “Son of Westboro Baptist Church leader attacked on live TV by naked 500lb man who burst out of bathroom, sat on him and shouted: ‘Who’s your daddy now?'”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2300604/David-Phelps-son-Westboro-Baptist-Church-leader-attacked-naked-35-STONE-man.html

    • Captain Howdy

      LOL Oh my word! “Leviathan!”

      • Observer

        I dream of the day this happens to *our* Davey:

        Rob Cutler, from Topeka, Kansas, where the church is based, said: ‘I was amazed, first I see David run out of a motor home and the next thing I know he’s been sat on by this giant naked man who is screaming “who’s your daddy now Davey?”‘

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I love your dreams. Also, you had me at David’s motor home.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      oh, Oh, OH!!!

    • FistOfXenu

      So the Daily Mail is like World News Weekly or more like the Onion? I can’t take it seriously. But it’s real funny especially the video. But they stop short of filming the Fridge teabagging Phelps. Too bad.

      • Observer

        I’d say more like the National Enquirer–they don’t make their stories up out of nothing, but there’s a lot of wrong and almost-but-not-quite-right info and wild conjecture. They do have some amazing photography and art stories, though, which is why I check it from time to time. And every once in awhile there’s a gem like this.

        • FistOfXenu

          Thanks.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    I just realized a uterus looks a lot like a lobster.

    • Missionary Kid

      Put down the acid. Put down the acid. Oh, you’re right.

    • FistOfXenu

      A lobster that put its claws on backwards. That’s okay, I get my gloves wrong all the time.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You may need more thawing, less cowbell.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        hehehehe

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          at least it wasn’t grouper

      • shell lancaster

        More cowbell. Always more cowbell

    • sugarplumfairy

      You just ruined lobster thermidor for me.. and lobster bisque.. and lobster rolls.. and lobster fra diablo.. and lobster risotto.. and lobster ravioli..

      wow.. now I’m really hungry.. never mind, I think I’m ok..

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Of course you are….Fra Diablo…Yum!
        I made Mr. Nuts drive all the way from fLORIDUH to Maine because I decided I needed a lobster roll.
        Yep, true story!
        I had 3 lobster rolls and some whole belly clams and then I decided I was over it and it was time to go home.
        Trip rocked!

        • sugarplumfairy

          You better be nice to that man!

        • 0tessa

          I don’t want to spoil anybody’s pleasure, but you do know that lobsters are cooked alive?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Your not spoiling my pleasure.

  • Sherbet

    You know what annoys me more than NOI, TC, and lobster uteri put together? That when I click on a link within this blog, and then back-arrow to return to the blog, Disqus dumps me back at the beginning of the posts instead of where that link was. Am I doing something wrong, or is this Disqus’s little quirk?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Disqus is dee debil!!!!

      • Sherbet

        Only a partial debil. Disqus has been working pretty well, especially compared to other user unfriendly systems we’ve had to tolerate in order to remain Tony’s groupies.

      • FistOfXenu

        Once we get over 250 it starts to break and I have to keep reloading because the updating stops working. It doesn’t show everything for me either. This thread just came up now. WTF!

        • Yes, it does seem to go a bit wonky about updating itself and often forgets. It’s jolly annoying to have to reload the page and then click ‘Load more comments’ interminably.

          I recall that previously one could get e-mails of all posts, then copy them en masse to a separate folder and manipulate them using the superior power of one’s e-mail client by thread or date or however. This was what I liked about Usenet, the ability to download messages to a local folder and view them in whatever way one wished.

          But, with the blog tools available, Disqus may well be the best of a bad bunch and one must learn to adapt to the world as it is, not the ideal world one wishes for.

          Andrew

    • Captain Howdy

      You are my heroine Sherbet. I was going to mention that..but I didn’t.

      • Sherbet

        Ah, thanks for saying that, Howdy. I’m relieved that it isn’t just me, because I’m no technological genius. Doggone, it’s annoying.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Discust is a lot like Dianetics. You Know, you just Know, you are going to be frustrated, disappointed, and probably feeling wimpy for returning for another try under the scrutiny of watchful and critical eyes … and Yet… you’re reading this, aren’t you?

      • Sherbet

        You found my ruin, TH. This blog. Obsession. (But at least Tony hasn’t demanded any money or a billion years of devotion to him.)

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          you mean you haven’t got your bill yet?

          • Sherbet

            Nor my uniform.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Let’s face it, Sherb. We live in a time , a country, and a culture where Sarah Palin is Still covered in a media subtext and Bernie Madoff is still an American icon. Many who post here might not realize how fast and easy they already swirl inside a multitude of cult like groups within their multi-layered circles of influences.

              It’s easy to look down on One major bad influence, as opposed to many small ones. Most Americans do the small ones.

            • Captain Howdy

              That’s a bingo ! It’s not just the scilons that are obviously whacked, it ‘s possibly a majority of everybody. I’m scared to even venture out in IRL or IRC. So many people are cray cray these days it’s like something out of “Left Behind” on “The Road”. I don’t even know what the hell is going on and I’m not easily rattled..obviously.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              That’s because u r a vsp. very special person. we see stuff b4 it happens not because of any joojoo, but because we are caring human beings who tune in thru our artistic vibes. Dianetics is a lie, but the real therapy of love, art and humanitarians, like u and me and Tony and Bunkerettes, we are the real.

            • coonellie

              We used to call ‘them’ garage cults, very prolific in places like SoCal, but as cultures lose their cohesion and heritage, people seem to cling to the fringe. A pastor I knew said something that seemed to hit the nail on the head…”The devil traffics in extremes.”

              I’m a registered libertarian in the US, but the people in my circle seem to become more rabid dems and/or rep and it scares me. They refuse to listen to anything but ‘their’ side. I tend to read and listen to those who disagree with me…how else can I learn?

            • Missionary Kid

              The former Speaker of the California House, Jesse “Big Daddy” Unruh, said something to the effect that the bountiful land and weather in California is conducive to the growing of all sorts of fruits and nuts.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              ^^^ I like

          • grundoon

            Luckily, the checks from Big Pharma just barely cover the bills from the Underground Bunker.

    • Missionary Kid

      The solution is to right click on the link, and then either open up a new tab or window. That way, you can go back to the list at the same place you were. by clicking on the window or tab.

      It took me a while, too. I got pretty annoyed, until I figured it out. Good luck.

      • Sherbet

        Thank you, MK and RE!!

        • Missionary Kid

          You’re welcome. Maybe I’ll start posting it every day. I went for a long time before I discovered it. I was getting pretty steamed before I discovered the answer.

    • I right-click on the links, and one of the options is “Open link in new tab” so I don’t lose my place.

      • Sherbet

        Oh, gosh, I never knew that! You saved my sanity, Robert E.

  • Sherbet

    OK, more weird things are happening. Sister Wendy’s post of this morning, followed by all sorts of cat posts, just showed up labeled “3 minutes ago.” That’s it. Off to bed for me before Disqus does something really crazy, like recruiting the NOI to monitor all blogs.

  • 10oriocookies
    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thank you! on the calendar.

    • Sherbet

      And so delicious!

  • wannabeclear

    What becomes so clear to me in this reading of Dianetics is just how much of a misogynist Hubbard was. His seething hatred of women is barely concealed beneath feigned concern for mother and child. The fascination with abortion and violence by the woman upon her unborn child is near nauseating. It’s hard to laugh at this text when it’s so anti-woman.

  • 0tessa

    The biggest cognition of the day for me comes from a commenter who said that actually the majority of scientologists have not read Dianetics from A to Z, or even from A to D, and that they suppose it has to do with misunderstoods. In fact it has to do with the utter un-understandableness of the book itself. It is just too crazy for words, let alone for readers.

  • Stickbyme

    This makes me think of when Boston org put a recruitment ad out on Craigslist. They hired half a dozen applicants, all of whom were raw as hell. And all of whom were black. They were mystified when they got paid $40 a week, thinking they had applied for a normal clerical job at a church.

    I feel racist and incredulous for saying this, but could NOIs involvement be due to the readily available “jobs” in the COS? An organization that believes that all their problems will be solved if they just fill the org bd in, paired up with a demographic that suffers from higher unemployment rates?

  • Jorge Schuldt

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