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Witness: Compton scam rehab was a special Scientology project — how high does it go?

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[An undated photo of the co-founders of American Health and Education Clinics and also operators of the World Literacy Crusade, Hanan Islam and Rev. Alfreddie Johnson Jr.]

Yesterday, we told you that Eric Tenorio, a former official with Scientology’s drug rehab network, Narconon, had an eyewitness account that confirmed that the rehab facility being run out of the World Literacy Crusade in Compton, California was an official and licensed enterprise of the Church of Scientology itself.

On Thursday, we revealed that at least six of the counselors at the Compton rehab facility, including its co-founder, Hanan Islam, are facing felony Medi-Cal fraud charges after a yearlong investigation by the state’s Bureau of Medi-Cal and Elder Abuse, an investigation that also ousted three prominent educators in the Compton Unified School District for supplying students to Islam’s clinic as part of the scam.

Since we broke that story, we’ve been talking to sources about the Church of Scientology’s involvement with the rehab facility. We do not know if the state agency is going to investigate or pursue charges against anyone at the church itself. And we want to emphasize that the founder of World Literacy Crusade himself, Rev. Alfreddie Johnson Jr., has not been arrested or charged with a crime.

But Tenorio’s eyewitness testimony — that WLC’s rehab, American Health and Educations Clinics, sent a course supervisor to Scientology’s flagship rehab center, Narconon Arrowhead, where he worked — made him certain that the clinic was licensed by Scientology’s front groups Narconon International or the Association for Better Living and Education (ABLE).

Today we have another eyewitness account, from someone who worked at Narconon International. Kathy Nather Thomas was Narconon International’s senior case supervisor, which made her the top technical person for every Narconon center in the world. It was her job to make sure that every facility licensed by Narconon International provided the Narconon program — which was drawn from the Scientology teachings of founder L. Ron Hubbard — with precision and accuracy. Narconon International in turn answered to ABLE, which was staffed only with Sea Org workers, and which oversees all of Scientology’s “social betterment” front groups. Thomas left the Church of Scientology at the end of 2012.

She tells us she remembers that around the year 2009, about five years after Hanan Islam and Alfreddie Johnson founded American Health and Education Clinics at the World Literacy Crusade, a man from ABLE came to see her at Narconon International, bringing with him an African-American man (not Rev. Johnson).

Kathy remembers the man from ABLE — Paul Nolan — was an active fundraiser for Criminon, the ABLE front group that gets Scientology into the country’s prisons.

She says that the duo came to Narconon International asking for guidance about starting up a withdrawal service in the Inglewood area.

“Mr. Nolan showed up with the guy that they wanted us to help. So immediately I knew it was an ABLE thing, because he’s an ABLE guy,” Kathy tells us. “But it wasn’t an ABLE project. He said it was an ‘outside’ thing, an outside project of ABLE. That was OK. But then he said he wanted us to train this guy to do withdrawal.”

Kathy explains why that was a stunning request. Narconon is a non-medication approach to drug addiction. It’s not really set up to handle someone in the throes of heavy drug withdrawal. For years, Narconon centers would send withdrawing addicts to local hospitals to dry out before beginning the program. In more recent years, Narconons have opened their own medical detox units to handle that withdrawal period. But that wasn’t what was being suggested here.

“What are you talking about? I thought. I could just imagine this guy trying to help someone in withdrawal. What if he ODs?” Kathy says.

Kathy tells us this story because she says it points out how Narconon activity in that area of Los Angeles was being done through ABLE and not through her group, Narconon International. She concludes that the clinic at World Literacy Crusade must also have been a special ABLE project, or she would have been involved in monitoring it — and she wasn’t.

Kathy also pointed out something to us after she saw yesterday’s story about Eric Tenorio’s experience with Narconon Arrowhead — that World Literacy Crusade sent a case supervisor for training to Arrowhead, and that Tenorio himself was sent to inspect the facility in Compton. Kathy says that’s very significant, because, she says, Narconon Arrowhead, as the massive flagship facility in the network (at least then, today it’s on fumes), had “special lines” that had nothing to do with Narconon International or ABLE.

“This could have been a Gold project,” she says. “For this heavy of an Arrowhead connection, it could have come directly from Gold. It didn’t necessarily have to go through ABLE.”

By “Gold,” Kathy is referring to the International Base, Scientology’s secretive world management headquarters at a 500-acre compound near Hemet, California. It’s also known as “Gold Base” or “Gold” to Scientologists because it houses the studios for Golden Era Productions, which puts out Scientology’s many audiovisual products. It’s also a place where Scientology leader David Miscavige lives and works.

Former Gold employee Marc Headley was at the base around this time — he didn’t escape until 2005. We asked him if he knew anything about David Miscavige being involved in ordering a drug rehab center being developed for Alfreddie Johnson’s World Literacy Crusade. (Five years earlier, in 1999, Miscavige had given Johnson a “Freedom Medal” for his work at World Literacy Crusade, which at that time was disseminating L. Ron Hubbard’s “study technology” to inner-city youth.)

Headley doesn’t remember hearing about the clinic. (If you were at Gold at the time and did hear about it, we’d like to talk to you.) But he does point out how important Rev. Alfreddie Johnson was to Miscavige.

“We were always filming that guy. And he was at every event at the Celebrity Centre. Alfreddie is David Miscavige’s line to the African-American community,” Headley says.

In the mid-1990s, Johnson had recruited singer Isaac Hayes to Scientology. Jason Beghe, an actor and former Scientologist who was featured in Alex Gibney’s documentary Going Clear, has told us that Hayes pressed Miscavige: Why aren’t there more black people in Scientology? (Beghe said he told Miscavige the same thing.)

“Alfreddie was the guy who was going to bring the African-American community into the church,” Headley says. So he got unusual access to Miscavige, and special treatment.

Can Miscavige be directly tied to Alfreddie Johnson and Hanan Islam founding American Health and Education Clinics? If you have information that would tie them together, we want to hear from you.

 
UPDATE: An earlier version of this story dated the incident Kathy Thomas witnessed too early. In fact, it took place after 2008, and involved a withdrawal service in the Inglewood area. That incident convinces Thomas that the World Literacy Crusade clinic was an ABLE project, not that she was approached by ABLE about the World Literacy Crusade clinic itself — Ed.

 
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Karen de la Carrier on Fair Game

Karen concludes her series on Scientology’s retaliation schemes.

 

 
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  • Nifty. Yes, some evidence tying David ‘Let Him Die’ Miscavige to the Compton Rehab Facility would be of interest. Evidence of any sort would be of interest!

  • Newiga

    This story gets more interesting by the minute! Thanks, Tony for keeping us in the loop and thank you, Kathy for speaking out!

    I stand by the clumsy comparison I made yesterday. Scientology’s “religious” rackets are not UNlike those of the American Cosa Nostra….

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Newi, was it you that said you were reading ‘Five Families’ by Selwyn Raab?

      • Robert Eckert

        He’s writing a new book about Scientology: ‘No Families’

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          I see what you did there.

        • Bryce Byerley

          Hah! You win!

      • Newiga

        Yes, it was me. 🙂

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          He’s such an encyclopedia of info on the Mafia that I can’t wait to read it. It’s been sitting in my stack of books to read for awhile. One could say he is the Tony Ortega of Mafia info. 😀 Seriously though, good book yes??

          • Newiga

            It’s absolutely fascinating. It covers all the “miles stones” of the Cosa Nostra and backgrounds of the organisations “big shots”. Selwyn Raab is definitely the Tony Ortega of CN information.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I wish I could remember the name of it (I will try to remember and post it here later) but he did an interview on some special about the mob and he was just fascinating. If, or when, I remember I’ll let you know the name of it. ; )

            • Newiga

              Greatly appreciated, NOLA! xo

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              P.S. If you want to learn more after your done with that book, check out Michael Franzese, one of the few people to actually walk away from the mob hierarchy alive. He’s a fascinating character too.

              I remembered! “Inside the American Mob” is the name of the show. Hope you get a chance to watch it.

            • Newiga

              Thank you so much! I need to check the show out. The Cosa Nostra is a huge rabbit hole. 😀

            • daisy

              Great documentary on NETFLIX Mafia*s Greatest Hits

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Thanks, Tony. I have a theory that it is not humanly possible to do a well researched article every single day without missing one, as well as your normal job and having a social life and whatnot. So fess up are you a cybernetic organism or a govt super soldier? See if you had done scientology and had your super powers, well I could understand it, but you haven’t.
    I forgot to add I love the “Thanks Legoland” jab you have been adding.

    • B4you

      He has this singularity mode he switch on!

  • Sejanus

    $cientology. Makes a Hydra look like a garter snake.

    • Mockingbird

      Hubbard’s web of lies to confuse, overwhelm, misdirect and control people has been replicated and extended by his cult through any dark corner of society it can infiltrate. Insidiously like a cancer it grows undetected over decades causing terrible harm, until the abuses and crimes serve as clues to Scientology’s true nature.

      Unfortunately all too often only after tremendous damage has been done do victims even begin to dig out from the mountains of lies, loaded language and propaganda Scientology is built on and hides behind. After all, Scientology is so well designed and built on layers of deception that almost all Scientologists are frankly clueless as to what they are doing and how it affects people.

  • anoni81b4u

    If you listen real good… you can hear a scientologist say “oh shit”

  • George Layton

    Is there any way to find a list of all entities that have or have had an official and licensed enterprise with the Church of Scientology?

    • Mockingbird

      If you look at old magazines they used to brag about lots of these groups. And in videos for cult members too. But now for legal reasons they hide behind mountains of lies.

      • anoni81b4u

        say it isn’t so 🙂

        • Mockingbird

          They used all the front groups to make huge size and constant expansion seem real.

    • The best approach is probably to Google, “Scientology front groups”. There have been so many, down the years, and they are formed and discarded whenever necessary so it’s not really possible to keep a comprehensive list.

      Worse yet, they have recently been using front groups to front for front groups. If you only have a reference in a news story, you now sometimes have to trace the organisation back several levels to find that leads to an entity which is a franchise of an entity which is directly Controlled by the CofS.

      If you have literature, or are looking at a web page, the copyright statements often include the umbrella entity (e.g. WISE). That’s a dead giveaway.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Chris Shelton has a vid on CoS front groups. Around the 2:30 mark, you’ll see the names of the prominent ones scroll up the screen.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw3cUP5TWF0

  • BosonStark

    If Miscavige has something to do with the Compton fraud operation, won’t Hanan try to pawn off her complicity on Scientology and say that it was all sanctioned and approved by them and that she was just following orders?

    • Mockingbird

      Depends on her personality, devotion to Scientology, and a number of other factors. I can tell you many Scientologists would never dream of turning against Hubbard, Miscavige or Scientology. They simply feel it would be the worst thing possible.

      • BosonStark

        I would imagine she’d go with the, “I was really trying to help these at-risk kids by getting them the training they need to avoid drugs, and become successful people. Why wait until they’re strung out and in the streets committing crimes?”

        • Mockingbird

          Yes, the more you buy into Hubbard’s lies and make it your core values the harder it is to stop thinking and saying it. I unfortunately have come across a few dozen people that despite any evidence against Scientology or Hubbard won’t give up on the tech even decades after leaving the cult. It simply is something they won’t stop believing in. Even if they read about it being harmful mind control every day.

          • Tracy Schmitz

            hand them some 10 dollar self help books and a book on critical thinking…

        • Tracy Schmitz

          yeah, that’s it.. what’s that wog world term again.. oh yeah, i was being “pro-active!”..

      • On the other hand, investigators have their own methods of psychological manipulation which, being based on real psychology and experience, can persuade people to reveal even the ‘true believer’ to reveal damaging information.

        Imagine:

        Accused:”COB would never do such a thing. He said to me himself that […]”
        Interviewer:And when/where did this happen?
        Accused: [triumphantly tells]

    • TonyOrtega

      Who would you rather see go to prison. Hanam Islam or David Miscavige?

      • BosonStark

        I’d like to see Hubbard reincarnated and put in prison, but what I want doesn’t really matter, and I don’t even get your question.

        • Tracy Schmitz

          i would like to see the great ancestors of hubbard NEVER having existed.. thus no them, no scum-bard…

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        Would it be asking too much to say both?

        • Mockingbird

          Bingo.

      • Mockingbird

        How about enough Scientologists that are actually guilty of crimes to break the cult and say ruin it utterly.

      • Mockingbird

        Crazy idea, how about we release some folks with long sentences for non violent offenders who were sentenced to much longer terms than they would have received if they had high priced lawyers and replace a fraction of them would th the very worst Scientology criminals. Obviously captain David Miscavige is at the front of the line.

      • PickAnotherID

        This is a trick question right??

      • anoni81b4u

        yes 🙂

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Miscavige, always Miscavige.

      • jane456

        It seems very unlikely that he would ever go to prison for any reason. She will make some kind of deal not to rat the others out. I don’t think that little prick going to jail will stop Scientology.
        I think they need their tax exempt status taken.

    • MM

      “and say that it was all sanctioned and approved by them and that she was just following orders”

      I’d really love to see her make that argument in Court, just to see how far it would take her 🙂

      “Your honor, dontcha see that even outright fraud can’t be wrong when it’s approved by my superiors??!!”

    • PickAnotherID

      That, “…just following orders…”, line worked real well at the Neuremberg trials. Hopefully they try it in this case with the same results, while implicating DM and the Cof$ at the same time.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      depends on the brainwashing defense perhaps Or scared out of their mind what could happen to them silence..

    • ze moo

      Hanan Islam will ‘volunteer’ to be thrown under the bus before DM has to answer for anything.

      • Always Amazed

        Bingo

  • Tony, this investigative journalism reporting is ★★★★★ FIVE STARS ★★★★★
    How high does it go indeed ?

    Years ago when I first heard Scientology Inc. likened to the Mafia, (Thank you Tory Christman) I
    thought that was so exaggerated. As the years have gone by and layers and
    layers of lies and cover ups have been peeled off these LIES, the carefully hidden dishonesty and subterfuge, I feel MAFIA
    a fair comparison right down the violence.

    Especially since the cherch is so money hungry, organized and violent.
    But the Mafia don’t mess with someone’s MIND. In Scientology Inc. I know of
    numerous case histories where the Cult itself drove person into a full blown
    mental breakdown ~~ Lisa Mcpherson, Nancy Many and Scott Campbell are 3 of at
    least 100-200 that can be named. Not to mention half a dozen “OT 8s” that went
    literally crazy “Type III” they call it after Scientology’s $1 million dollar
    extraction and the OT 8 procedure on past identities in past lifetimes.

    I elaborate on a specfiic case history of their criminal conduct in above
    video..

    • Mockingbird

      The going insane doesn’t surprise me in the least. Once you see where Hubbard plagiarized the lower bridge and OT levels from, and the dangerous, failed and harmful hypnotic techniques he crafted his thought reform program from it is clear that a person is meant to be enslaved by Dianetics and Scientology auditing and indoctrination. And hammered via delusion and hallucinations into a false personality that suppresses their pre cult identity.

      Additionally the materials from OT III and up have been described as causing mental difficulties including severe hallucinations for some and genuine insanity. Even low level book one auditing and objectives and TRs create a hypnotic reality and divorce from actual reality. By the utterly mind bending processes of OT VIII a victim is meant to be utterly confused and entirely submissive to Scientology doctrine with their thoughts, emotions, memories, behaviors and attitudes all twisted to make lies truth and truth lies. I frankly am quite surprised more Scientologists don’t go insane on the bridge.

      • James Morris

        MB, I can’t remember where you said it, but you’d already explained your last question: a common reason that psychoses is not so prevalent is because so many parishoners use “stop thoughts” to protect their very minds. Seems to me that anyone who attempts to sort elron’s twists and folds would break their minds, like shattered glass.
        This is why I get the shudders looking at all the pictures of course completions, flag career recuitment, fund raising celebrations, and so one. Far too many people display a flattened, wooden affect with fixed smiles and unfixed eyes aglaze. About how I would picture myself in a family portrait besides family members that I’m sure are serial killers…and I’ve caught some of them glimpsing me at the corner of their eyes, wondering if I knew…

        • Mockingbird

          The graduates often are enthralled (mentally enslaved), and from the hypnosis in trance states. You are correct if you are referring to trance logic as a way to temporarily shield the conscious mind from stress, anxiety, confusion, and trauma from cultic abuse but it comes at a terrible price. The effect is neither permanent or complete. The hidden harm accumulates in the subconscious and despite denial, dissociation and doublethink the cognitive dissonance builds to mind shattering levels in the subconscious. I suggest everyone with genuine interest in this read A Theory Of Cognitive Dissonance by Leon Festinger. That with a good grounding in hypnosis and loaded language along with Lifton’s eight criteria for thought reform give a good basis for examining the effects of Scientology.

          Even with all the remarkable defenses and coping mechanisms the human mind has the fact that people resist being driven to suicide or insanity by Scientology as often as they do is truly astounding. Particularly in light of all the hundreds of harmful thought reform methods Ron Hubbard combined from plagiarized sources. The Building The Prison Of The Mind series is entirely my interpretation of that book and the hypotheses within regarding Scientology.

          Captain David Miscavige (leader of Scientology and the Sea Org) has tried to refine this and exploit it but make no mistake Hubbard knew it harmed and enslaved people and fully desired that result. I cannot overstate all the many, many ways Scientology turns a mind against itself and twists and turns it in ways it wouldn’t in a less cultic relationship.

          The cruel and callous inflicting of trauma and delusion as the totalistic undue influence from Scientology is truly amazing. But in cognitive dissonance theory there is a crucial collection of hypotheses about the stress a mind can endure and limits that can be reached and withstood. I have written on them extensively at Mockingbird’s Nest. This is covered in the Building The Prison Of The Mind series.

        • Mockingbird

          Now that I think about what you wrote it makes sense in a diabolical way. The short term defense in a horribly pernicious way makes the zealotry and fanaticism understandable. To avoid the trauma and conflict the victim is compelled to maintain the cult identity and submission to Hubbard’s authority, as that hypnotic submission holds the trance logic in place.

          The stronger the buried cognitive dissonance, confusion, trauma, overwhelm, reelingness, contradictions, shame, feelings of worthlessness, feelings of utter incompetence and inferiority the more close minded and desperate the need to maintain the avoidance of the truth becomes.

          It is a terrible irony that a Scientologist reaches a point where to defend their fraying ends of sanity they ruthlessly defend the very thought reform methods that are harming them.

          To avoid certain harm they prolong and protect hidden ruin. The insidious nature of Scientology cannot be stressed strongly enough.

          • Fink Jonas

            wow! thanks for writing this, now I get it, the mind bend is beyond deep unbelievable.

            • Mockingbird

              You are certainly welcome. Whatever measure of success I have in taking apart Scientology is a small way I can try to help others to recover from or avoid exploitation and abuse by the cult.

    • Mockingbird

      Regarding the mafia comparison, I believe many mafia members take great offense at being thought of as similar to Scientology. It really isn’t fair. They may rob you and take your life, Scientology takes far more.

      • Robert Eckert

        And they know the importance of family!

        • Mockingbird

          Oh yeah, you might have to whack your cousin, but you don’t regularly disconnect from everyone.

          • Robert Eckert

            Yeah, I was thinking that Fredo might be an exception here, but then I remember that even in Godfather One, Michael warns him “Don’t ever take someone’s side against the family again!”

          • daisy

            lol

        • joan nieman

          Yes they do.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Merry Christmas to you and Jeff, Karen. Hope you both have a wonderful holiday season. *huge hugs*

      I’m behaving so I get my J. Swift lunchbox with Karen thermos from Santa. 😀 😀 😀

    • jane456

      The mafia would not have been able to get away with what happened to Lisa McPherson. And they would probably be insulted to be compared to this cult. The cult is worse and does a lot more damage in a broader sphere. All cults, but this cult in particular. Criminal organizations usually only go after their own and try not to involve bystanders. Scientology doesn’t care who they hurt.

      • Tracy Schmitz

        exactly, what i posted above! at least the mafia goes after usually only other bad people who somewhat “deserve” their fate/fates….

      • villagedianne

        At least when you join the Mafia you know what you are getting in to.

        • jane456

          true that.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Scientology’s Office of Special Affairs needs some fresh defectors who know all these dirty PI details.

      Charlie Earle isn’t going to quit anytime soon, but he ought to quit and go straight to the FBI and debrief of all the things Charlie knows the Private Eyes that the lawyer firm Scientology uses hires and does their daily dirty tactics like Karen’s detailing in this video.

      Charlie Earle, Linda Hamel, and Kathy O’Gorman I wish would just go straight to the FBI and debrief and turn on Scientology.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        That would be delicious Chuck, and no doubt would scare the tiny pants off Miscavige.

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          I got a picture in my mind of those wall plaques in the entrances of large organizations, of the heros of the past, well there ought to be a plaque with the names of the ex Scientologists who went to the FBI plaque!

          Like a new twist to Scientology’s own plaques for their members’ imaginary Scientology forwarding accomplishments.

          • ron_burgundy8957

            As I understand it, right now, they’re trying to get you to admit to things that you did wrong to show that you, like they, are just human. Consequently, the barrage of lawsuits. Obviously, there’s the pack mentality they use but the big push right now is trying to get down on someone’s level.

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              Yep, Hubbard’s transgression quack counseling is just part of the whole Hubbard crank crackpot pseudo-therapy and exorcism edifice.

              The Hubbard transgression interrogation various types of fake counseling dig up dirt that Scientology records on paper and then distills into other paper formats to stifle the members from dissenting.

              Hubbard’s “religious” use of transgression admissions of the members keeps the members mentally stifled and mouths shut.

              Except that never works in human history, and not for Scientology and Hubbard either.

              Leah Remini is the latest prominent ex member to beat the Hubbard quack system.

            • Fink Jonas

              They make you believe that confessing is a good thing, that it will enhance your spirituality when in reality is just black-mail material.
              Leah “beat the Hubbard quack system”, I love that phrase she should get an award for that.

          • Lady Squash

            There ought to be a Scientology museum somewhere with all the horror stories and a Hall of Fame for the heroes.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      also usually at least the mafia goes after bad people who quote “somewhat” deserve their fate/fates..

    • joan nieman

      We so appreciate your videos Karen, they are always clear and informative. The organization is corrupt and evil. Many lives have been destroyed and continue on to this day. Thank you for speaking out,.As you say, one layer at a time, until the world opens its eyes and takes away that religious cloak that hides the awful truth.

    • Ron Miscavige and I were talking about this exact subject the other day and we came to the conclusion that with the Mafia you know what you are dealing with. With the Sea Org you can never be sure because the goal posts are constantly shifting.

      • One Human

        Joe, do we have an expected date for the book release?

    • daisy

      With the mafia you know what your getting. Nobody innocently joins. If you have to deal with them you know up front they are criminals.

    • Mockingbird

      This is an excellent post. May I quote it at my blog ?

    • The
      Mafia let the world know who they are. Wise Guys. They know that the
      FBI knows. The FBI knows the Mafia knows. They do not pretend or
      masquerade to be anything other than thugs. Scientology INC. *PRETENDS*
      religiosity while using money extortion tactics, threats, domination
      and severing your own family from you while using thought reform tactics
      and mind control to get you to change your mind.

      When deeply involved in Scientology, drinking the Koolaid and being a
      good toeing-the-line Scientologist, there are 3 major FEARS

      1 A fear of
      being connected to SPs,
      2 A fear of becoming an SP
      3 A fear of being
      declared an SP.

      SP = Suppressive Person (“anti-social personality” Excommunicated and cut
      off from family and friends.

      Incredulously, many believers in the flock
      are whipped into obedience with these fears hanging over them in a meaningful
      way !

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        Also Karen, perhaps not the best analogy, but I see those fears sitting atop the fear of either failing to ‘handle a ruin’ and/OR failing to achieve a personal goal or goals….’aspirations’ might encompass such things.

        The SP issues/fears actually add to those underlying concerns or fears, and add another layer of holding a person down or back. These are all held and interact together because El Con alluded to, falsely promised, that his scientology would provide answers and accomplishments towards those aspirations. But it was and is a ‘bridge’ of betrayal. a allusion and it leads to being trapped in a delusion. A so aptly called ‘prison of belief’.

      • Fink Jonas

        So it is true the saying ‘”eventually you become to believe and love the things you suffer for” kind of a way of admiring the “winning valence” using the cult’s lingo.

    • Lady Squash

      One of these days, we’ve got to compare notes about OT 8s that have literally gone crazy. It’s a subject I am very interested in.

  • anoni81b4u

    Shoop Gold, I tell ya.

    • Mockingbird

      Uh………………..

      • anoni81b4u

        I know, My shoops are so realistic and lifelike that they often leave people speechless.

  • After Isaac Hayes died didn’t they (his family) request donations be made to the World Literacy Campaign? I canNOT find that quickly—I also just got up and need another cup of coffee. But I recall donations were to be made to either WLC or another scientology project in Compton, of that I am really sure.

    • ReallyMGM

      Issac Hayes left a tiny percentage of his estate to the “Issac Hayes Foundation,” but he was not a wealthy man when he passed away. He was not a good manager of his money and had lost most of it in bankruptcy. He had lost the rights to his music. When it comes back up for renewal, there will be more, but he also has 11 or 12 children who will inherit before IHF.

      http://www.nme.com/news/isaac-hayes/39891

      The CoS, lead by a Red. Alfreddie and Kelly Preston, were awful at his funeral, not mentioning his family or music. Two hours into the memorial, when his oldest daughter spoke, his family was and musical legacy was remembered. That night his real friends and family (his fellow musicians and family) had a real memorial for him at his favorite club playing his music.

      He was very “thick” with Alfreddie and evidentially with the DOCTOR who has ties to a health care center in Ghana where Issac had an education foundation. They tried to run the WLC through the Memphis City Schools,mutating city leaders on the board before they knew it had CoS ties. Once it was discovered, it disappeared. Then the school system had a shakeup, CoS died in Memphis, and WLC was “poof.” I checked the names involved and none are a Mr. Nolan.
      and

      The question regarding his death is “Why was a man who had recently suffered a significant stroke found dead on a treadmill with CoS handlers caring for him?” As involved as Issac was with the CoS in LA, in the Memphis music scene he was and will always be very well loved and respected. The question regarding his death is “Why was a man who had recently suffered a significant stroke found dead on a treadmill with CoS handlers caring for him?”

      ETA: Despite the news reports that said Miscavige and Cruise attended Hayes’ funeral, they did not. But it did not stop
      it from being a zoo.
      http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/08/19/isaac-hayes-strange-funerals.html

      • I know he wasn’t wealthy and that South Park became the main source of his income—-until they made him quit or I mean they quit it for him. I do recall that about his memorial, how strange it was.

        His death and prolonged period of decline prior of that—after his stroke—is just heartrending and sickening. Of course we know many stroke victims are given psychiatric drugs to help rehabilitate them and you know they wouldn’t allow that. Dying by the treadmill alone was/is a huge ‘DAFUQ?’ to me. Such a talented talented man.

        • ReallyMGM

          I feel sure they kept him from his neurologist. i suspect he was doing a purif. What part of that makes sense for a stroke patient?

          Article by a friend of his.

          http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/08/11/isaac-hayes-history-with-scientology.html

          • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

            I have similar suspicions, MGM. It’s terrible what they did to this man–in life and in death, if his funeral was such a circus.

        • Tracy Schmitz

          yeah, scientology really helped him in every way didn’t it?!..

      • Tracy Schmitz

        hmm, reading all of this “how did scientology help hayes in ANYWAY again?”….

  • Paul Nolan ?

    EDIT TO ADD REFERENCE:

    . . . On the other hand, a month or so later I was called by Paul Nolan from ABLE Int to make a loan to Rick Pendry’s New Mexico Criminon venture. The loan was to pay about 10% interest. Paul said it was a great investment and as close to a sure thing as possible. I went ahead and made a loan of $1500. Once he got my money Paul never would return my calls. And thanks to Rick Pendry’s mismanagement (greed) I lost my investment after New Mexico closed the Criminon . . .

    • TonyOrtega

      Nice!

      • Tony Ortega

        I’m checking with Kathy to confirm that this is the right Nolan. Great work.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Don’t know if you got my email earlier this morning. Link to it is in there. May have current contact info.

        Paul Nolan
        “About My Personal Life I work for the Church of Scientology and live in Hollywood, Ca. I work on special projects for the Church on an International level. My wife, 2 daughters and their husbands also work for the Church. I’ve lived in Southern California since 1976 and visit Pittsburgh every few years and am still proud to say I’m from Pittsburgh.”

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      And that was Vistaril with the beautiful three-point shot! Nothing but net! Bunker takes the lead. 🙂

    • Also this: IRS Form 990 – Return of Organization Exempt From Income Tax – for year 2012

      • chukicita

        Nice catch, Visatril! – hmm, Rena Weinberg’s on there too – wasn’t she last seen in the nonexistent Hole? I wonder how many ABLE execs are busy cleaning bathroom floors – and how many are Sea Org ?

    • anoni81b4u

      Even Capt. Pikard chimes in 🙂

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      that was my guess also

    • Bert Allen

      Sounds like a simple fraud to me.

  • PickAnotherID

    This could definately get interesting…

  • It was Alfreddie Johnson that personally told David Miscavige that it was “cool” and “hip” (kind of new-age) to cater to the black community, thus the idea of the Ideal Orgs in Harlem and Inglewood were born.
    How long will this site be up ? They distance themselves in a hurry when someone gets publicity for criminal acts.
    http://news.cision.com/church-of-scientology-international/i/rev–alfreddie-johnson–who-founded-the-world-literacy-crusade-20-years-ago,c143101

    • SciWatcher

      LOVE the sword on the podium. Everyone needs that kind of phallus during a speech.

  • PickAnotherID

    Maybe this will get someone over at the IRS to wake up, smell the coffee, and start moving at more than a snal’s pace on the 13909 forms that have been submitted on “$cientology related entities.”

  • SciWatcher

    How high does it go?

    Well, we all know the answer to that, right. All the way to the top. Straight up and vertical!

    • villagedianne

      Top of the world, Ma. If I wasn’t posting from my phone, I would put here the video from that movie, White Heat. It’s quite explosive.

  • pluvo

    In the early nineties, Alfreddie Johnson was also on the Freewinds giving a speech about the literacy crusade.
    I remember that he was a very good and convincing speaker who was capturing the audience’s imagination and he had quite an authoritarian and demanding attitude.

    I was many times sneering about Miscvaige’s obsession with “Ideal” – and about the ‘Ideal Scientologist’. Now I
    found an article by Mike Rinder about Alfreddie Johnson:

    The “Ideal” Scientologist

    September 15, 2014
    By Mike Rinder

    The “ideal” fad is really rolling inside the bubble. — now they have Rev. Alfreddie preaching to the converted about what an “ideal scientologist” is.

    After his Sunday Service he put up a post on HIS Facebook page with “responses” that was subsequently taken down. But the text was captured by an alert correspondent:

    Alfreddie Johnson

    SUNDAY SERVICE FEEDBACK REPORT

    Reverend Alfreddie Johnson
    “The Ideal Scientologist”
    31 August 2014
    The service started with Ms. Stacy Francis singing Amazing Grace which totally moved the crowd. The Senior Chaplain then read the Creed of the Church of Scientology and “An Invitation to Freedom, Man Can Save his crowd standing and clapping.Then Reverend Alfreddie Johnson came on and completely blew the crowd away with a sermon all about being an ideal Scientologist and what that meant. The crowd was completely impacted by the message given in this sermon and they were on fire to be more active as a result. …

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ideal-scientologist/

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    *sips coffee*

    This is excellent Tony. I can feel you digging and untangling the hydra. I hope the authorities are reading this too.

  • Well, sure this scam could have been connected to something called “gold base,” but that doesn’t mean that Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige knew anything about it! Probably a project from that well known rogue unit “CSI.”

    Seriously, this is -at least – getting more and more interesting. I do hope the proper authorities make an effort to see how high this goes.

  • SciWatcher

    “Jason Beghe, a former actor and Scientologist ”

    Wait…he’s still an actor, right?

    • Ben Franklin

      Yes he still is. A very good actor as a matter of fact.

      If ever happen to watch Chicago Fire or Chicago PD shows on TV you’ll see Jason Beghe on a regular basis on his role as Sergeant Hank Voight

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Voight!!!!!!

        Sorry, had to get that out. 🙂

    • Tony Ortega

      Oops. Put the “former” in the wrong place. Fixed.

  • Narapoid

    Oh, Captain Miscavige, your rotten dealings with corrupt dealers is getting more awareness. Are you pulling it in? f5

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    “Today we have another eyewitness account……”

    Thankyou so much all you eyewitnesses!

    Chuck Beatty
    1975-2003 ex Sea Org member “eyewitness”

    PS: Thanks for this new word, which describes us “apostate” disgruntled ex members (wised up ex Scientologists and staffers), we did eyewitness a lot of history.

  • BosonStark

    How many people here think David Miscavige personally directed Hanan or did it through subordinates, to tell her to get non-drug-using high school students into their program through Medi-Cal?

    Scientology’s billions as well as their cover programs and IRS-conferred tax status, along with Tom Cruise’s stardom, all make great cover for scammers like Hanan. It makes them drunk on power and believe they can get away with anything.

    How realistic was it for her to believe that something might eventually go wrong in this scam, that one of the students would be caught, or one of the teachers who were recruiting them. At what point might one of the student’s parents not become alarmed. She and Alfreddie think they are invincible, because they are backed by Scientology. And I bet they’ll do a lot better in the final outcome for themselves than if they had cooked up this scam by themselves, and were just teaching the kids whatever Hanan gleaned from her bogus doctoral studies in naturopathy.

    • ReallyMGM

      I wonder if her use of non-addicte teenagers was just stupidity and greed. Non-addicts are easier to handle than the real thing.

      I am still wondering how much parental involvement was there. Were they aware of what was actually going on? What sort of disclosure was given to them? The good Dr isn’t known for her honesty.

      • PickAnotherID

        More than likely the parents were told the kids were getting “literacy tuturoing” and had no idea the “Doctor” was billing the government for drug rehab on the same kids.

        • ReallyMGM

          Were these people from the same community she had scammed over rental vouchers? (Didn’t she do that in the past?)

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      People who are in social agency help will always be fund raising in one way or another.

      I think there are multiple reasons Hanan would always be working to get funding for whatever help activities or activist work she is part of and gets paid somehow for her work.

      Narconon is a nice neat little package of “help” that tries to get funding, it is Hubbard’s policy for ABLE staff to see how Hubbard’s “help” “products” can be funded by govts! That’s one of ABLE’s goals, so it goes back to there being some encouragement ALWAYS coming from ABLE.

      It is IN ABLE staffs’ constant policy orders from Hubbard, unchangable.

      How Miscavige is related is he sees the weekly income of the “church” echelons, he phone hobnobs with the top opinion leaders and influential Scientologists/celebs/leaders.

      I don’t think there will much of a paper trail to connect to Miscavige other than Miscavige praising people for doing this or that.

      “Pink Legs” Hubbard policy applies. (The Hubbard all time important policy the Simon Bolvar policy rules about the leader won’t ask how the dirty work was done details, he’ll just issue praise and approve of the awards to be given to the overlooked misdeed doers when they spectacularly provide Scientology with good PR and fill Scientology’s coffers–Narconon sends cuts to ABLE to Sea Org Reserves or to ASI via license agreements.)

      • Just about to respond with “pink legs” reference. While it’s at least as likely that others came up with the scam, I doubt that Captain David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige was ignorant of it (or the income it brought).

    • ze moo

      Hanan et al will be thrown under the bus and take all the blame. Scams like WLC abound, many use dubious ‘clinics’ to do things like foot care or simple medical procedures like blood work and charge Medicare or Medicaid for work that is never done.

  • The CofS seems to be paying the price for complacency – and it could be a very high one.

    The connections between the CofS and its various front organisations are already well-established. This has not troubled them up to now because their ‘religion’ defence and scorched earth legal tactics have protected them from civil courts for years. All that they have ever lost is money which they can well afford.

    Investigators working this case have all of their initial research done for them. Background information and leads can be acquired from a few reliable observers and evidence of a consistent pattern of identical offending behaviour is available from civil court records and victims who were ’employed’ by the organisations in question.

    What they need to do now is to gather together evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt what everyone already knows. They seem to be doing this – and very carefully and systematically, too. They know that, since the accused has no arguable case, all they can do is spend a fortune for top lawyers to find technicalities. They know their enemy.

    This situation is something new. People have (finally) been arrested and charged for criminal fraud – specifically taking money to provide expensive drug rehabilitation services and providing cheap Scientology courses instead. If they are convicted, surely Narconon’s SOP is, and always has been criminal. What’s more, it is a highly organised crime.

    I have always said that all that is lacking is the political will to bring the CofS to account for the behaviour of Narconon – and the organisation which clearly exercise direct control over it. If this prosecution succeeds it will transform Narconon into a massive criminal liability overnight and may embolden other agencies.

    It’s quite feasible that Miscavige could be sought for interview and find that the tactics that have served him in the past, in civil proceedings, are now worse that useless. He’s already unpredictable. Fear of arrest might lead him to order things that would make Hubbard’s reaction to a similar situation look sensible. It does not even have to be a credible threat – paranoia will work wonders.

  • ReallyMGM

    When Issac Hayes and Alfreddie Johnson tried to bring WLC to the Memphis City Schools. This is old, but shows how they tried to go through back doors and sneak in. Anyone know John Ellis with Applied Scholastics? He was made out to be this innocent tutor, but was anything but… ETA: His Linked IN page is still all about his tutoring with Study Tech.

    http://studytech.org/?p=58

  • Newiga

    “Make your tax-deductible donations to the US IAS Members’ Trust” *fumes* The nerve!!

  • ReallyMGM

    These stories are absolutely terrific and very telling about the depths and lengths CoS is going to to infiltrate schools with Narconon and other front groups. I truly hope these arrests are just the beginning!

  • Lighthouse

    I WANT it to be Gold and Miscavige. We need something with which he can be nailed. He’s a felon, walking free.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Hubbard’s whole Scientology is neatly organized and divided up into “products” and in “production lines.”
    (The unwitting mind smothered dupe staffers who man the multi echelon Scientology beehives blindly do their little parts.)

    Narconon is one of Hubbard’s “production lines.”

    It’s an offerable and sellable packed whole setup.

    It’s price is 20-30 Gs per addict per rehab, that’s a nice financial “help” product to offer.

    It’s a dollar signs operation to some people’s eyes.

  • Ruby

    Anything that has to do with a cherch “celebrity” usually has the captain’s micromanaging hands all over it. Let’s just hope someone can dust for fingerprints.

    • PickAnotherID

      More likely they’ll find DNA from his fapping over the “grand opening”.

  • The remaining World Literacy Crusade site is nicely 404 compatible off the main page.

    http://www.worldliteracy.org

    • chukicita

      “ever feel like you’re in the wrong place” – LOL

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      The Church has established and supports volunteer literacy programs throughout the United States and other nations. The best-known program started in Compton, California, after the 1992 Los Angeles riots and rapidly grew into the World Literacy Crusade which has gained international prominence for bringing reading and study skills to thousands.
      The man who introduced Rev. Jentzsch to the assembled audience, Rev. Alfraudie Johnson, was uniquely qualified to speak on this subject, being co-founder and director of the World Literacy Crusade. “The Crusade was born from the ashes of the 1992 Los Angeles riots,” he said. “Rev. Jentzsch was there and he helped us realize that we could do so much more to re-build our communities and our people and emerge stronger than before, through addressing one of the root causes behind the social problems we were faced with.”

    • The short (YouTube) video (the only link that works) is worth watching for some of the least convincing ex-addicts we you ever see.

  • “Freedom” on LA’s Invincible Crusade:
    http://www.freedommag.org/english/la/issue03/page01a.htm

  • Dave Reams

    Scientology – how LOW does it go?

    • B4you

      Very low… F5

  • ReallyMGM

    Doctors Islam’s tax returns that were not filed, were they personal tax returns or ones related to American Health and Education Clinics or World Literacy Crusade? Also, she was never married to Rev. Alfreddie?

    • PickAnotherID

      The tax exempt status of WLC was revoked for not filing their 990’s for three years.

      • ReallyMGM

        Thx! Cold meds and lack of sleep are playing a number on me.

      • California also has WLC as FTB Suspended: The business entity was suspended or forfeited by the Franchise Tax Board for failure to meet tax requirements (e.g., failure to file a return, pay taxes, penalties, interest).

  • Science Doc

    Semi O/T. Narconon Warner Springs. A couple of weeks ago they had some kind of grand reopening ceremony and announced a new and improved program a lot like the old program. There was some speculation that they might be running from the Narconon name and rebranding as Fresh Start.

    F5 for a couple of recent photos of the front of the facility. They put a new paint color on much of the exteriors, but the old green Narconon Jumpin’ Junkie sign is still the only exterior branding.

    • chukicita

      “Jumpin’ junkie.” – bwaaaa!

      • Sherbet

        If the Jumpin’ Junkie could talk, he’d be yelling, “Get me out of here!”

        • Juicer77

          “The niancin… it burns!!!!!!”

          • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

            LOL.

    • KingofSweden

      “Jumpin’ Junkie” LOL!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Science Doc, I am glad you are recuperated enough to continue your report-ins on Warner Springs!

    • grundoon

      the Narconon chalk outline logo

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Ed Haynes, Vice
    President and Deputy Executive Director, World Literacy Crusade. Right,
    Fred Shaw, Jr., World Literacy Crusade President.

    But in 1992, at the home of Compton community leaders Fred and Marcine Shaw, Johnson was introduced to breakthrough educational materials known as the Study Technology.

    WLC’s Vice President and Deputy Executive Director Ed Haynes reported that the results of this year’s fundraiser, sponsored by a variety of individuals and groups including Applied Scholastics International and the Association for Better Living and Education (A.B.L.E.), will enable them to give more assistance to fledgling projects in some of the most troubled inner cities in the U.S. and abroad.

    After Johnson discovered Study Technology in 1992, he teamed up with Deputy Sheriff Fred Shaw, Jr., who retired from law enforcement to dedicate his life to the literacy crusade and now serves as WLC president. With a handful of friends and associates in Compton, they acquired an empty store and a couple of volunteer tutors from Applied Scholastics, which spearheads the instruction and use of Mr. Hubbard’s Study Technology world wide.

  • Tracy Schmitz

    anyone know if l.a.p.d. LT.DAWSON’s other off duty activities could be connected to this as well??!….

    • He was with the LAPD Human Trafficking Unit, so he would be invited to Scientology’s pretend human rights events. That also might explain why he’d be doing the welfare check on Shelly Miscavige.

      Now that he’s retired, it’ll be worth watching to see if he has any further connection with them.

  • Science Doc

    Mostly O/T. Mormon Blow Drills are a lot like Scientology Blow Drills.

    Yesterday I spent some time with an old friend and his wife. We were neighbors for a decade in an upscale gated community with 24/7 security and very nice large homes on hillside lots with great views. We also served together for years on the Board of a non profit. Let’s call him Tim amd his wife Tina.

    Tim and Tina still live in the old neighborhood, which I left over five years ago. More than a few of our neighbors were eccentric or even unpleasant to deal with. One of these was the Bishop of a local Mormon congregation. Let’s call him “Bishop”. And we have Bishop’s Wife, Bishop’s son, and Bishop’s attorney, who also used to live in the neighborhood, and represents the congregation. Bishop et al. Moved out of the neighborhood a few years ago, but they kept electronic copies of the back gate code on other devices, allowing them to stealthily enter the community without drawing the attention of the guard at the front gate.

    Tim and Tina have a daughter who was 18, and had just started at a local college when this story takes place, a year or two ago. Bishop’s son was the same age and had known Tim’s daughter most of his life. Bishop and Bishop’s wife formulated a plan to recruit Tim’s daughter as a Mormon and marry her to their son. Unknown to Tim and Tina, their daughter was love bombed and enlisted in evening Bible study meetings. The academic term ended, the daughter moved back in with her parents, and she also decided to curtail the Bible studies with the Mormons. Part 2 to follow below.

    • Science Doc

      One night Tim and Tina were downstairs while daughter was upstairs. They started hearing a lot of people outside shouting for their daughter to come outside and join them. Outside were 8 or so Mormons, including all of the characters above. One gained entry to the backyard, and others forced their way into the courtyard and tried to get the front door open. Tim amd Tina repeatedly demanded that they leave their property, and a little bit of shoving took place. It escalated over several minutes. Tim threatened to call the police, which the Mormons welcomed. Neighbors started watching from the steet. 911 was called twice, with the second complaint citing impending violence. Cop cars arrived as did the private security force. The Mormons had to stand in the street. They alleged that Tim and Tina were holding their daughter captive and keeping her from her true love. The cops went inside and interviewed daughter who said she wanted nothing to do with these people. Cops read Mormons the riot act, and private security ejected them fro the neighborhood.

      A year later, Bishop’s son came out as gay.

      • Sherbet

        (Un)holy sh**!

      • Newiga

        Truth is truly stranger than fiction. O_o

      • PerpetualOutflow

        I had no idea Mormons did things like this.

        • Sherbet

          I didn’t, either. I suppose there are fanatics in every religion and philosophy.

          • The Mormons have historically recent fanatical roots. A small relatively isolated group might either not move with the times, or fall back into that thinking.

            • Science Doc

              This one had a big personal angle. Sonny needed a good wife to keep him on the straight and narrow.

            • Illinoisian

              Fascinating and bizarre. Any thoughts on why they wanted to recruit a wife for the son from outside the Mormon community? Bishop must have moved in a fairly wide community of Mormons.

            • Science Doc

              Son was too gay to close the deal.

            • Not just sorta gay, I guess.

            • Sherbet

              “My god is better than your god.” I hate that way of thinking, I really do. Hate it.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              They soon get shut up by the “All the monotheistic religions, be it Judaism, Christianity or Islam–are based on the same damn god!”

            • That’s why Joe and Brigham are some of the most fun characters to write in LRH: The Target 2 Chronicles. The more I researched them, the less cray cray my interpretation of them seemed.

        • Science Doc

          Probably most don’t .

        • KingofSweden

          Wow… none of the Mormons I know would ever behave like this.

      • I recall that, when the ‘squirrel busters’ stalked and harassed Marty Rathburn, he he got arrested for objecting to it. The Mormons are obviously doing something wrong.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        They tried to claim the daughter was theirs? That’s horrifying.

        • Science Doc

          No. They claimed that she was being held by her parents against her will.

        • Kinda Somom and Gomorrah-y. “Send her our so we may know her!”

      • Missionary Kid

        That last line was the funniest.

        Is the Bishop’s son still a Mormon?

        • Science Doc

          I didn’t ask that. It was too funny.

        • I bet not. The kinkiest gay guys I knew in my 20s were ex fundies, especially Mormons. The pressure of years of sexual repression yields some impressively creative fetishes. This dynamic can be seen to this day in congress.

      • They need to fix that literal back door in their security, and maybe add magic underwear detectors.

        • Bert Allen

          Love the underwear reference. I have had several Mormon friends, some observant and many less so. Overall, they were very good people, but there are extremist nuts in every religion.

      • villagedianne

        So the Mormons thought Tom and Tina’s daughter was waiting like a storied princess in a gated castle to be rescued from her godless, evil parents.

        • A magic princess to kiss away the gay.

      • Delicious.

      • JaxNGold

        I’m so shocked by this story. I was raised Mormon but left the church after 17 years (that was 20 years ago). I never heard of or experienced anything like what you described. That’s terrible. When I was in the church, the members (and bishop) were nothing but kind and good to me and my family.

        I have no love for any organized religion. I left the Mormon church because it wasn’t for me. But hearing about this makes me angry.

      • littlefish

        I grew up in a predominantly mormon town in idaho (think like 97% lds) and these sorts of interventions for kids who were gay or dyed their hair black were common. I went to an LDS ward dance in HS (think a singles mixer for 16 year olds to find their husbands/wives), and was told I was dressed to provocatively and that I would have to wear my coat for the remainder of the dance. I was wearing a shortsleeved turtleneck sweater and a calf length skirt. Fortunately, my friend who I was accompanying thought that was absurd and left with me.

  • Science Doc

    Sign With a Cartoon Character Holding His Hand 4’13” above the Ground. “You must be exactly this high to approve a major scam involving Narconon.

    • Sherbet

      The surgeons didn’t remove your snark, Doc.

      • Science Doc

        The surgeons put more stuff in than they took out. X-ray later this morning.

    • chukicita

      I am so glad you’re feeling better. 😀

  • chukicita

    I remember asking on my guided tour of Flag in the mid-90s why I wasn’t seeing people of color except for Pat Harney and one other guy. The percentage of nonwhites certainly wasn’t even representative of the community of Clearwater, much less something one could expect from a worldwide organization.

    At first my guide said that it was because Flag hosted people from different countries all the time, and this week there were more Europeans.

    Later, he said that black folk spend money on material things rather than spiritual things. He backed up this observation with something Hubbard said about black people anthropomorphizing hats.

    I was shocked by this casual racism, and it was about then that I needed to leave.

    When it started to be obvious that Scn, Inc. was trying to make inroads into the local black community, I wondered why. At first it was maybe a fundraising thing – give us money so we can train these poor black folk. There was a push for awhile to get some black clergy to take some starter courses, with others paying for them.
    Some Baptists were taken to courses in Tampa. One guy tried to start a mission, but it never got off the ground.

    EDIT: From some conversations I’ve had with locals, there may have been some hinky financial promises associated with the opening of the mission. When true colors were revealed, it was dropped before it could burn.

    Then I thought that perhaps there was a strategy to engaging black people — it would add an extra buffer so Scn could not only play the religion card, but also the race card. And who better for that than the NOI contingent?

    It’s kind of scary that DM thinks the NOI people (who already have their own woo and space opera) are “the black community” in its entirety.

    • madame duran

      Later, he said that black folk spend money on material things rather than spiritual things.

      Why would anyone in their right mind spend money to obtain spirituality/enlightenment?
      As for that generalizing, condescending and racist comment…*fumes*. There are no words.
      I’m sure if you had asked another Scientologist the same question, you’d get a different answer (read: lame excuse). “This week there were more Europeans” *rolls eyes* Every week, there’s ALWAYS “more Europeans”, you lying sack of shyte!!!
      Ugh.

      • chukicita

        This same guy told me he and his wife were selling their house so they could go OT. Because the house would only serve them in this lifetime, but OT is foreverz. I am not making this up.

  • B4you

    Had to be done F5

  • Sherbet

    Just when you think Tony’s going to run dry on juicy sci stories, a delicious arc of the cult’s nasty little machinations falls into our collective Bunker laps.

    • Jimmy3

      And we’re all doing collective lap dances.

      • Sherbet

        And lapping up the details. OK, that’s enough puns.

    • Science Doc

      This one is going to be pretty big, or even bigger.

      • Sherbet

        Amen! The only part that worries me is how slowly the wheels of justice turn, i.e., getting through the courts. Always continuances, it seems.

        • Science Doc

          Medi-Cal fraud is huge. People are going to prison.

          • Sherbet

            And nobody is going down without having a connection to somebody/something else. See this big smile on my face?

        • It will be interesting to see if the judge in this criminal case will be as tolerant of Scientology’s obstructive tactics as those in civil courts have proved to be.

          I’m betting that there’s going to be more incriminating evidence presented, because state investigators have greater powers than a complainant in a civil court. While this won’t hurry the process, it will likely make the court less patient with tenuous arguments (like the recent attempt to pervert Anti-SLAPP legislation) and transparent delaying tactics.

          What’s more, the investigators seem to be taking unusual care to insure that their evidence is bombproof. They know their enemy and his tactics. It’s reasonable to think that the prosecutors are similarly prepared.

          This game could be played according to a new set of rules, something which the CofS is completely unprepared for.

          • Sherbet

            Let’s hope!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    O/T someone was asking yesterday about who the woman was with Marisa Nichols in all the pictures.

    • I don’t think Shirley is the one in the pictures with Marisa Nichols and Erik Paulsen.

      • Robert Eckert

        Surely it isn’t!

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          “And don’t call me Shirley!”

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    A broad comment–

    I just spent several days visiting an old friend whose wife passed away. There was a bit of a crowd there. In spite of the very sad circumstances there was a lot of good cheer. The bereaved had had a good, long marriage with very few regrets. His wife had been a wonderful person in his eyes and in those of his visitors. She had been sick for quite a while and her passing was no surprise. In the distant past she, her husband and almost everyone else in the room had been a Scientologist. The subject came up only once and we discussed just how crazy it was. A phrase often said to the uninitiated was, “I know this will sound crazy. I don’t talk about this in public places because people will assume I am lying or I am crazy but what I am about to say is nonetheless true”.

    I spent a lot of time in transit and the motel didn’t have a public computer. I didn’t bring a computer aside from my phone so I was out of touch with the Underground Bunker.

    It is tough to come back and read five days of sad reports, all at once. In small daily doses The Bunker gives me an impetus to do something good for someone on that day, but five days of it at the same time is hard to take. I internalize the notion that each report represents a little bit of hell for some poor soul who happened to become a news item here. Many of you fully understand this. Your memories are fresh and the wounds are deep. Me, I needed the reminder.

    So, I will now calm down a bit. I will be a little more aware of the hell people are going through and a little more thoughtful in my comments.

    My old friend, the grieving husband, got up to OT 1 before he left then sued Scientology. He would have been among the first to do it successfully. He was very proud of that.

    And as the end of year approaches I will mention that a few people guessed back in January, 2015, that this would be the year that Scientology goes down. It didn’t. It won’t next year either. But a few more cracks will be made in the armour and one year, over an incident that may seem like nothing at all at the time, real justice will come at it and there won’t be much left that can be scraped up, pressed back together and be identified as Scientology.

    I am just sad that my friend’s wife, who was in it long enough to have been called clear won’t be around to see Scientology’s end. Most of the people gathered there will.

    • Sherbet

      I’m sorry for your loss, Korgo.

    • aquaclara

      I am so very sorry for your loss, Korgo. Shoops and kitty pics do help balance the news around here, because as you have said so honestly, there is so much in Scientology that preys upon people and is downright depressing.

      How supportive it must have been to have a group of former members to grieve and remember with. We don’t have a name for a collective of former members, do we? A Bunker, perhaps? That is pretty significant right there.

      We’re going to continue to battle and root for progress this coming year, ok? So the next Bunker of exes will be in celebration, rather than a funeral.

      I hope your old friend knows we are thinking of him, too.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        I went up with my brother, who has never been a Scientologist. He actually didn’t believe some of the things we said. I didn’t tell him to research those things for himself. I just let his suggestion, that we were exaggerating to the point of falsehood, hang. No one there wanted to argue.

        My brother pointed out that what the widower got from us was that he was not alone. That’s what a person whose spouse has died (I have gone through it myself) wants to feel.

        We had been close before Scientology and remain close after it. For most of us Scientology was a bad scene that occurred in the early 1970s though one of us stayed a member until 1991. For most of us it was a really bad pothole on life’s highway but it didn’t make us what we are. It did, however, teach us a sad lesson about ourselves and about the way people can think when they are under stress. I am glad I learned that lesson. It has made me a more tolerant, humbler individual. I just wish that I had learned it some other way, that’s all.

        • aquaclara

          You have a really big heart, Korgo. So while you paid dearly for some of those damn life lessons, it will come back in spades to all those who know you. And Princess Korgo will carry this with her to her kids and grandkids, too, which is far greater magic than Hubbard could ever even dream up.

          Your brother sounds like a good person, too. He stuck with you through that dip into the pothole of crapotology, and hung in there with a reunion of sorts among a bunch of exes. He probably didn’t realize how far each of you had come just to be able to acknowledge loss, feel grief and show up at a funeral. But we know.

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            Thank you for your kind words and I will try to live up to them.

            You are on the mark with my brother. He is eleven years my senior, very accomplished, and I have always looked up to him. When I was about to join staff my brother asked me probing but not insulting or angry questions about what I was doing, and made me think. In the end I didn’t join staff, partly because of his wise counsel.

            At the visit there were people in their 80s, 70s, 60s (like me) and one in her late fifties. We were a bunch of old coots, and comfortable with that. The funny thing is that when you have a friend who is 85 and you knew him when you were six and he was twenty-nine he doesn’t seem like just another old adult. A little bit of the relationship you had when you were a kid in elementary school and he was a married man with children your age remains.

            There is a Jewish tradition of naming children after beloved relatives who have passed away. I don’t go by Jewish tradition but I am influenced by it. I had named Princess Korgo after the fine woman who had passed away. With this my daughter may be a bit more open to hearing stories about her namesake when she gets to be a bit older. It turns out my elder brother has a grandchild middle-named after that fine woman. I wouldn’t have known that if we hadn’t been together on that long drive.

        • The fact that Scientology’s behaviour is no incredible that people with no direct knowledge of them refuse to believe the truth, is one of its tactical advantages.

          I often think that critics have to walk a fine line in online conversations open to the general public. Accusing the CofS of things that they really do too stridently can come over as unreliable propaganda.

          That ‘bigot’ tactic does occasionally work on people who know nothing about Scientology – if not in the way that Scientologists intend it to. It does not make Scientology look any better, but it does lead to the unwarranted suspicion among outsiders that Scientologists and critics are as bad as each other and neither group is credible.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Well said and so very true. a hug for you, friend.

          • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

            A wise person learns from his mistakes. A smart person learns from other people’s mistakes. I hope the people who visit this site are smart.

    • joan nieman

      I believe that too, Korgo. It will take some time, but, one day, the straw will break the camel’s back.

    • Madison KinSmed

      I’m sorry for your loss, Korgo. I’m glad you could both help and be helped with a circle of friends.

    • Lady Squash

      Dear Korgo, This phrase “I know this will sound crazy. I don’t talk about this in public places because people will assume I am lying or I am crazy but what I am about to say is nonetheless true” rang so true for me. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings. It’s helpful to hear others say what I am feeling.

  • Meepthorp

    Around 2006 a Scientologist said to me “Have you heard what David Miscavige is doing with the Muslim Community?” She then proceeded to tell me the “wins” of how Dave was reaching out and making inroads and clearing Muslims in the wake of the 911 attacks, thus (implied) that he was doing something effective about terrorism. Her “good news” just sorta popped out as we were addressing a whole other topic, and I was like WUT? Anyway, as I was listening to her babble, I realized that she did not know the difference between the fringe Nation of Islam (NOI) in America and the world religion of Islam. It still amazes me how Dave can spin something and the followers all buy it. Their education and info is all controlled by Dave. To me that’s dangerous and scary. Now I see the IAS Ad above with the little girls in hijab. I’m sure that is the current marketing campaign for the followers due to ISIS being all over the news. Because, in the cherch’s Truman Show, “something can be done about it!”. They are marketing to their followers that their booklets will rescue the world from religious extremism, when they themselves are religious extremists, not part of the solution, in truth, only part of the problem.

    • Sherbet

      NOI isn’t stupid. All anyone needs to do is googlehearsay to find out lrh’s — Source’s — true feelings about other races. They (NOI) must have their own agenda to team up with lrh and DM. Ya think?

      • B4you

        there is big money in charity. What was it? Red Cross handler selling boats to refugees so they don’t drown while crossing the Mediterranean sea!

        • Sherbet

          Sorry, B4, I don’t understand this post.

          • B4you

            really! what is it? off topic or bad spelling 🙂

            • Sherbet

              No, I don’t understand if you’re referring to some real Red Cross event.

            • B4you

              yes! real Red Cross events. Personel making own money on helping refugees and if asked; the answer was – Else somebody else will do it!
              This was an analogy to your comment about the NOI agenda.

            • Sherbet

              I’m sorry to hear that. I’m pretty naive and want to believe charity is real, not that there are hucksters hiding behind it.

            • B4you

              Oh Lord… It’s better to keep believing there is REAL help organizations out there and on government level etc. But the point is, that there is always individuals who con’s the Artist. and NOI would be classified as an NGO (Non Government Org..) and now we just see NGO’s as one huge Con! more and more.

            • Sherbet

              Yes, I’ll keep my naivete.

            • B4you

              me too

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Maybe NOI wants to learn how to perfect the art of control.

        • Sherbet

          Including controlling DM et al.

      • Observer

        I think Farrakhan likely has a Miscavige-like hold on NOI members, and that they avoid truth for the same reasons Scientologists do.

        • Sherbet

          You don’t think he wants to swallow up cos eventually?

          • Observer

            He’s a nutjob, so it’s entirely possible. My observation is regarding his followers, excluding the Fruit of Islam goon squad.

    • ze moo

      Auditing in Dianetics is really about establishing control over the auditee. I think that any fees paid for auditing are being split between DM and Farrakhan. It is about control and fealty and money. Perhaps in that order.

    • Frodis73

      I have to ask, when you realized your friend did not know the difference between NOI and Islam, did you explain it to her? If so, how did she react? Great story btw.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      **….It still amazes me how Dave can spin something and the followers all
      buy it. Their education and info is all controlled by Dave……**

      Typical destructive cult characteristic.

      He apprenticed under the now dead ConSauceman. I won’t be surprised if he continues to follow and also heads for the hills when he perceives that justice is too near and about to capture him.

  • flyonthewall

    If this could reach the top or near it, wouldn’t Hanan and co tried to get a deal and plead guilty instead of pleading not guilty? Are the lawyers representing them Sci or Sci connected lawyers?

    • Science Doc

      Most of the usual suspects have no criminal law experience.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Is this true, my dear Churchill?

    “Alfreddie was working for GO back in late 70s. He was a part of their ” Religious Freedom Crusade” in early 80s.”

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/archive/index.php/t-36348.html

    • That doesn’t fit with the story that he was recruited in 1992 with Study Tech.

      Anything solid linking him with CoS before then would be good.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Religious Freedom Crusade – wasn’t he involved with that? I’ll have to ask around later – have to run now.

        • If he was involved before 1992, it would add a side order of creepy to the creepy platter of his detention home attempt:

          Lynwood : Council Reverses Approval of Detention Home for Boys October 24, 1991, Los Angeles Times

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Genysys was the forerunner of WLC, was it not? That’s what I’ve seen in Sci and Alfreddi baloney PR pieces. Shudder – I’ve sent an email out asking about early stuff, and will post if I hear back.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Things to Do at the Clear African American Convention:

    “1. How to be a successful Scientologist Disseminator/

    Navigating the Grant Process/How to reach African Americans with ABLE programs and get exchange

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?18341-Clear-African-Americans-Convention

  • ze moo

    Why is there no mention of the arrests at the LA Times? Search as I have, I can’t find any newspapers or web sites that are talking about this. Given the previous coverage of Medical investigations, why isn’t this news being splashed all over the California papers or at least their intertubez?

    Hanan Islam’s deep involvement in the now defunct Life Force Arts and Technology Academy is well known.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/education/controversy-over-scientology-influence-clouds-future-of-pinellas-charter/1217239

  • Slightly OT Proud moment for me here. My mother, Kathy Thomas being quoted today. Thanks Tony. And high five to my mom for speaking truth.

    • aquaclara

      It’s your mom!!! Big proud moment here, Nora!

    • Observer

      The SPness is strong in your family! So glad you’re both out.

      • SPness. A term that must always be written, never spoken.

        • Observer

          Haha, I didn’t even notice!

        • JaxNGold

          Laughter! I had to think for a second about what you meant but then I cracked up.

          • Jenyfurrrrr

            I’m glad it wasn’t just me! Lol and I actually said it out loud twice trying to figure out – so that my 17y old goes “MOM! What’re you saying over there, weirdo?!!” Lol thx Artoo!!!

            • JaxNGold

              Hysterical!!

    • Rasha

      YAY!!! <3

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        How was awkward dancing?

        • Rasha

          …as I recall…. it was a stunning display of technical and artistic expression. Also, Rasha’s cash has been replaced somehow with bar receipts. And my feet hurt.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      *waves*

      Hey Nora’s Mom!! We love Nora!! And you! Thanks for speaking with Tony. Merry Christmas to you and your family. ❤

    • Chee Chalker

      I’m happy that apple did not fall far from that tree…..you come from a line of strong women I am guessing!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      That’s fantastic! Happiest holidays to you and your family.

    • Robert Eckert

      I remember when Kathy first showed up as a commenter, still rather fragile, has come a long way since.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Beautiful, Nora!!!

    • Newiga

      Thank you, Kathy and Nora, for speaking out!

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Nora, congratulations to you and your mother for having tons of courage!

  • Chee Chalker

    Marisol is making her way though the halls.of government….. She tweeted a very creepy picture of herself with Rep. Jolly. Shocker I know.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      FFS, she’s still there? Is she sleeping in the hallways?

      • flyonthewall

        well Jolly didn’t so he must not of thought it that important

        • Chee Chalker

          I think he is trying to keep his cult profile low. Doesn’t he have higher aspirations? Governor or senator maybe? Scientology would be a huge albatross around his neck if he wants to go any higher

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          He did post this though. He likes the CO$ & Lego?
          (refresh)

          PHOTO CAPTION – “#TeamJolly already uniting the Universe! Wishing everyone a happy, spoiler-free Star Wars day.” #maytheforcebewithyou #starwarsday

          https://www.instagram.com/p/_aP6wnrLDP/?taken-by=usrepdavidjolly

      • Chee Chalker

        I think she is sleeping under Jolky’s desk…..she’s practically on top of him in the pic.

        • flyonthewall

          can u post it? She’s blocked me from her twitter

          • Chee Chalker

            Sunny posted it above. Sorry I don’t know how to copy pics or tweets frlom twitter. I don’t use twitter a whole lot so I am not exactly sure how to use it. For example… How do you see all the responses to a certain tweet? I thought you just tapped on the particular tweet and all the responses would show, but I could not see some of the other Bunkerites comments on Marisol’s tweet yesterday to Rep. Paulsen.
            I really need to Google ‘how to use Twitter’.
            I use it primarily to respond to clams. I can’t get blocked to save my life! I would consider being blocked as a small victory. Obviously you struck a nerve!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              A quick tip Chee. On every tweet there are three dots next to the ‘Like’ heart, click on those and you’ll get an option to ‘Copy link to tweet’. Copy the link and paste it here whenever you want to show a tweet. (F5)

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Here’s what it looks like when you copy/paste the tweet as opposed to posting a pic like I did above:

              https://twitter.com/TonyOrtega94/status/678195094357450752

            • Chee Chalker

              Thanks NOLA! I will give that a try…when you get blocked do you get a notice of some kind?

            • Frodis73

              If you click on the person that blocked you a msg will appear saying you are blocked from viewing this persons account.
              eta-but no, they won’t send you a notice…you will only know if you try to tweet them or click on the account.

            • Chee Chalker

              Gotcha…thanks!

    • Observer

      When I read your post the mental image popped up of the cursed pirate crew in the First Pirates of the Caribbean movie: in the dark they look like normal people, in the light they look like rotting zombies. The same thing is going to happen to Marisol when the truth catches up with her.

    • Sunny Sands

      I think this is the picture (F5)

      • Chee Chalker

        Yep that’s it….why is she all up in his grill?

      • Draco

        Is it just me, or is she looking extremely thin? And why the heavy coat indoors? F5 for healthier looking pic. (Maybe this is the pic Jolly has in his head when he cozies up to her “causes”.)

        • B4you

          Oh Dear! Marry Chrismas to you too!

      • ze moo

        Is this the famous ‘lean in’ I keep hearing about?

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    I’d didn’t ask for anything for Xmas, but this story will do just fine.

    PS: don’t forget to click the Amazon link for any last minute holiday shopping. Thank you Amazon Prime.

  • EDWARD could not connect to the internet this morning. The wifi was OFF on his tablet which was easy to fix—I know he didn’t do this but how/why that happened I dunno. The laptop is another story. TWC had helped him reconnect the ethernet—which it said was disconnected—earlier in the week and I made him call them. THEY eventually told him to call Microsoft. UM??? I asked if she had enabled the ethernet and he said no. She said it was a microsoft issue since he could ping. I asked if she had mentioned DNS to him and he said no. So I stupidly tried to walk him thru to where his ethernet should be and we could enable it.

    Hit the start button. [mind you he’s been told this dozens of times this past week]
    Ok
    on the menu select control panel
    you want me to turn it back on?
    why the fuck was it off? YES TURN IT ON
    okay, it’s on
    let’s try again, the start button
    now it’s off again
    why the fuck is it turning off when you hit the start button?
    YOU’RE TELLING ME TO TURN IT OFF
    WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?!?!
    THE START BUTTON TURNS IT ON AND OFF
    I’M GOING TO COME OVER AND SMACK YOU, I DID NOT SAY THE POWER BUTTON, THAT MENU BUTTON IN THE LOWER LEFT CORNER
    oh the box button
    i am gonna kill you
    i can’t remember that
    YES YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    painfully, slowly, get to where we need to be….wifi was OFF…..he turned it on…..didn’t work….i couldn’t get him to where the ethernet card was…..this was 20 minutes of hell…..i said try microsoft then but they might not speak english, he said he’d hang up…..i said i would email him questions to use if/when he had to call back TWC and i did—-as i’ve realized it’s probably a DNS issue, amazing how your brain will work when you aren’t being short circuited…..no fucking way i’m walking him thru DNS settings to change them……no way no how….he can get online via his tablet…..oh there was also this:

    why can i get online with my tablet and not my laptop?
    cuz they’re different machines
    but i can’t get online on the laptop
    THEY ARE DIFFERENT, TOTALLY DIFFERENT
    but i can’t get online with one
    okay, look, pretend you have a blender and a food processor on your counter, okay?
    ok
    both have similar functions but both are TOTALLY DIFFERENT MACHINES that you can use independently of each other and one can have a problem and the other not—-even though they run off the same household electricity, does that help?
    yes
    i’m going to have a stroke
    i might have to call you back
    NO YOU WILL NOT!!!

    i should have recorded that call…….

    • Rasha

      As a tech support person, I am in tears laughing here! XD

      • I BELIEVE he’s still on the phone with microsoft. I called him before I got in the tub and he was talking to them still. I told him to ask about DNS settings and he did and I heard her say if what they were doing didn’t work, they’d look at that next. He might have just left his house and not stopped over here like I asked him too as I can’t imagine him still being on the phone with them.

        He also, for bonus mirth and merriment TALKS SOFTLY on the phone and then claims I have a hearing problem….no, I don’t cuz it’s ONLY HIM and I had my elbow bent so much my cubital tunnel is bugging me and I told him “dude, i have the phone halfway down my ear canal I can’t hear you” he started to yell……dick…..

        • Rasha

          Get a headset. That ulnar nerve ain’t gonna fix itself. At least you don’t have the added frustration of mis-aimed FaceTime. “Ummm, I’m looking at the upper half of your head and a bright lamp. Think you can use the other camera to point at the screen you’re talking about?”

          • I’m NOT judy the time life operating!!!! he was just here a bit ago and i made it clear I HAVE THINGS TO DO LEAVE ME ALONE THRU THURSDAY….he said he would TRY…..i do believe it’s a DNS issue….i sent him instructions to check about getting to a site via their IP # and if that works it IS a DNS issue and i wrote him a question for TWC so he can call back….if he can’t get them, i wrote another question so he can ask them how to set up a new network connection……

            fuck does my elbow bug me though!! dammit, doesn’t take much……GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!! he DID say he might just take it back to bj’s get a credit and get another one and THEN call the hp free helpline again—with a new serial # and spend all day on the phone with them if he had too, to get it set up…….

            ETA: I dunno what facetime is—i hope i don’t sound like edward!!!!

            • Rasha

              LOL!!!!! (Judy reference) …and DNS is not easy to troubleshoot unless you’re on the machine itself. FaceTime is the Apple video chat thingy. Just as easy to do Skype, but it all boils down to user Id10t errors anyway.

              “Id10t: Problem exists between chair and keyboard.”

              ^_^ …Take care of that nerve.

            • ah, i don’t do apple products so that explains that!! i’d have to walk edward thru skype and oh hell no!!! PEBCAK is how I know that one: problem exists between chair and keyboard….

              but i have to say HP have been total fucks and i bet the twc person got fed up with his ignorance today and that’s why they sent him to microsoft—who after almost 2 hours told him it WAS a connectivity issue….yeah, no shit……

              i have told him REPEATEDLY I HAVE THINGS TO DO AND one thing is very very time consuming and i haven’t started CUZ OF HIM and the other is time consuming and i need to FINISH THEM…..he can call to chit chat as i have no problem taking a break to do that but NO COMPUTER SHIT….he said that’s how he chit chats—THE FUCK IT IS!!!!

              yep, can’t even really type now as my left hand is going numb….DAMMIT EDWARD!!!!! i mean it wouldn’t happen if he’d LISTEN to what i say…but he doesn’t…..GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he even said he thought of leaving that POS laptop with me and telling me to work on after thursday….I AM NOT FUCKING SETTING IT UP!!! i am also not learning that system!!! NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!! pretend i am not here!!

        • joan nieman

          Oh Tia! I am laughing so hard right now.

          • laugh while i scream!! 😀 it is funny days later but today?! GAH!!!! All this past fucking week and he has been told REPEATEDLY i have things i’m TRYING TO WORK ON and he doesn’t give a fuck or fa la la la la just ignores that and thinks i will fix his problem–i will, with my 10# sledgehammer…..

    • Rasha

      I cannot count the number of time the phrase “I am gonna kill you” has occurred to me in the tech support field. …you so should have recorded it… 🙂

    • Frodis73

      OMG. These stories are reminding of a job I had in college. I used to do customer service for a universal remote control company. You’d ask the person what kind of tv/vcr/stero/cable/satellite they had. Some answers: A square one, a black one, it says 4HD or one of my favs…it’s a color tv. Even asking them what brand tv do you have didn’t change the dumb replies. My other favorite is you’d walk them through the steps in setting it up and then ask did it work? And they would say, well I am not at home right now, I’m at work. After the first question you asked the idiot was are you at home in front of your tv/vcr/etc. right now? Are you sure, because this won’t work if you are not at home..? People are freaking stupid.
      eta-they had

      • B4you

        ha ha been there done that.

      • Rasha

        I have a relative who calls me to fix her computer problems. I’ll walk her through some steps (laboriously so), and then one of those meaningless technical core dump errors pops up, and she’ll start reading it to me….

        “Okay, a thing came up, error 2501 no resource found in location sub path c colon slash or back slash I don’t know then windows slash program files slash….”

        Me: “Okay, stop, just close the–”

        “…null response in library e-c-o-m-5-1-point-9-7-4-3-2 dot l-b-r in memory stack…”

        Me: “Okay. Okay, just–”

        “E0AFE6D3437BE20….”

        Me: “Stop. Just stop. Close the damn–”

        “Well, it’s gone. I closed it.”

        Me: “The error window?”

        “I unplugged it. It’s black. What do I do now?”

      • DUDE!!!! VTECH?!?!?! I worked there too!!!!! Aside from the remote, we also got calls for their phones. I got a call one day by a guy asking where the cord was for his CORDLESS phone. Not for the phone to the wall, but the cord for the handset to the base. When I said “Sir, it’s a cordless phone.” there was a pause and then he said “You probably won’t believe this, but I’m a brain surgeon.”

        • Frodis73

          LMAO! That’s a good one with the cordless. My day was filled with stuff like that. That job drove me to drink, heavily. No, the place I worked for was called One For All aka OFA. Funny thing, there was a rumor they were scientologists for a short time cause all the higher ups were the same religion. Turns out they were JW’s if I recall right.

          • DUDE—SAME FUCKING PLACE!!!!! I probably worked there either before or after you, cuz we also got calls for OFA and they were easing out of the phone tech support and only going to remotes—the OFA remotes!!!

            • Frodis73

              Wow. I never heard the name vtech. They also did home security systems too. It was in Kent (of course). God, I want to live in Kent again so bad. Argh. Do you remember them being religious weirdos at all? They eventually moved to Twinsburg (a friend stayed with them for years) but were either bought out or went out of biz, I don’t remember which.

            • yep, at that intersection of cherry and ??? almost when you got to 261? the OFA was basically facing cherry and vtech was a building in the back of that industrial area…..and i DO recall when vtech went to twinsburg…..i don’t recall at all about them being religious weirdos as i most certainly would have spoke up about that! 😀

            • Frodis73

              Yep, off off 261. They only owned one building when I was there…it was a big warehouse type thing with little cubicles everywhere. I did have some fun times there I will admit. Dude, it cracks me up about our paths almost crossing in all these places but when we finally did it was over the net.

            • oh yeah, that’s where i worked at vtech!!! that big building!! it IS funny how our paths kept crossing and we DAMN WELL were in the same room at terrace i KNOW IT—i mean seriously, we HAD to have been!!!

              Viva La Bunker!!! 🙂

            • Frodis73

              If I believed in such things, I would say destiny or god or something was trying to make us connect for some reason. Maybe you and I are meant to create something great that saves the world or something. (snort) Definitely Viva La Bunker, forever! Bunker Power!

            • well i DO believe in such things….i believe people are in your life for a reason, paths cross for a reason etc…..i wonder why the fuck edward is my best friend though……fuck…..you know i’m on duty in our next life time? he told me a few years ago “remind me in our next life to do better in school” DUDE!!! FUCK NO!!!!!!

        • MereCatWatcher

          Oh yeah. There was a normally intelligent administrative assistant who was waiting by the fax machine for her office supplies to come through after she faced the order….

      • MereCatWatcher

        Those are good ones. Technology seems easy to those of us who know and understand it. It makes no sense to folks who don’t have a clue. It is like learning a language. You have to learn a lot of words and a bit of grammar before you can even put together or understand a simple sentence. I love your responses. I get the same kinds of things in response to what kind of computer do you have? I used to collect funny computer stories in the 80’s.

    • shasha40

      Roflmfao ! 😀

    • BabySmurfette

      This is hilarious – you’re earning points with Xenu for your patience!

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Almost as bad as the housewife who complained that her computer foot pedal was broken. (She mistook the mouse as similar to a sewing machine foot pedal.)

        • Oh that’s just…..wow……I can’t even…..I would have absolutely cracked up and not been able to contain myself!

    • Orglodyte

      Very funny! I’ve done technical support over the phone myself. It’s like trying to drive a car from the back seat, with a stick.

    • MereCatWatcher

      Very funny. I’ve been through this kind of thing. Oh gosh, this is very much like what I do for a living– teach people how to use technology that they sometimes don’t have a clue about. Takes a lot of patience which fortunately I have most of the time.

      Something about the holiday season and things get more intense. Yesterday I had the worst problem yet — an opened email, not clicked on supposedly, an obvious phishing email, completely messed up my client’s “older” computer. I found great technical support to call that was able after a couple of hours of effort, to remote into the computer. I finally had to end the tech support session with “I have been here for five hours and cannot continue one second longer! Tell me what to do to shut this computer down safely so I can come back next week and call back to finish.” I was ready to lose it, feeling like some bad ass sci I had kidnapped me and taken my life away. I can’t imagine how unendurable weeks or years of such treatment would be. I was just dealing with helpful, persistent knowledgeable people….

      Of course my stamina is greatly impacted by this double whammy -high pain injuries to leg and other ankle that I should still be in bed with. All my Christmas and holiday shopping is happening at pharmacies.

      • i am NOT particularly patient and he knows he’s on my last fucking nerve cuz i told him REPEATEDLY before he got a new laptop i wasn’t learning the system HE WAS ON HIS OWN……i also repeatedly told him i have A LOT OF THINGS TO DO…..he has ignored all of that……i’m gonna go over with my sledgehammer……

        i have no idea how he bought a car on his own….but he did…..he did that in september……researched it himself, compared things online ALL BY HIMSELF…..i had told him i was busy —as i was—finishing up ‘miss lovely’ cross stitch and was doing other things and HE LEFT ME ALONE……now he cannot!!! GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        i’d like to shop in a pharmacy right about now!!! i am very sorry you have such pain and injuries, that sucks!!!

        • MereCatWatcher

          Well, I do screen my calls…. I hope he gets it and finds someone else to call. Even though your patience has worn through, I doubt he could keep most people answering his calls.

          By the way I look forward to meeting you if I can get to howdycon next summer. I enjoy your creativity, beautiful photos, and participation at the Bunker.

          • I have a cell, so I can’t really ‘screen’, I mean I know it’s him, but I dunno why he’s calling and if won’t leave a VM!!!
            I hope you can make it to HC next year!! Thank you for your kind words!

  • nottrue

    …Hana and the Cans……Looks like a Org. https://twitter.com/IslamRizza/status/644628118578180096

    • Observer

      As much as I despise what he and his parents are doing, I can’t help but feel a little sorry for Rizza. He was born to grifter parents–in not one but two hate cults–and was probably raised to think predatory behavior is not only normal, but right. I really hope his conscience wakes up and he changes his ways. If not, I hope he ends up in jail.

      • Jimmy3

        I hope he wakes up too. Every day. In jail.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      The smoking E-meter.

      Ok. So those are e-meters. Many e-meters. E-meters are a religious artifact of the so-called “Church of Scientology.” You have to be, per church policy, a Scientologist to own one. Be a Scientologist to use one. This “World Literacy Crusade” would HAVE to be an authorized business of Scientology, licensed by the Scientology Religious Technology Center and overseen by the Religious Technology Center and other Scientology entities.

      It is not independent. It cannot be if it uses e-meters. E-meters are for religious use only as stated by the Church of Scientology itself.

      David (Let Him Die) Miscavige is the Chairman of the Board of the Religious Technology Center and the leader of Scientology.

      I think that if WLC and their use of Narconon defrauded anyone, the direct line of responsibility goes all the way to David Miscavige.

      • grundoon

        They aren’t e-meters. They are “learning accelerators.” The Chruch makes a special despiritualized version of the meter for non-religious educational use, for Applied Scholastics and the like. Don’t try to audit with one, you could lose your eternity.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Hi Grundoon!

          Yes, there is such a thing as a “learning accelerator” but these are e-meters.

          The “learn acc.” as some in Scientology calls them, is a different shape and has somewhat differently labeled controls. At least one person has said that the “learn acc” was designed with a circuit that was enough different that it didn’t fall under the e-meter patent and FDA restrictions, but that it worked exactly the same control wise and needle action wise so that it could be used for “word clearing” which is a religious practice of the Church of Scientology.

          These are “Mark VI” or “Mark VII” e-meters. They can only be used for approved Church of Scientology religious procedures.

          Pictured is a “learning accelerator” you can see there is a distinct difference.

          • grundoon

            Thanks, Michael! Never seen one. I learn new things every day here!

          • grundoon

            (sorry I didn’t see your reply until just now… Disqus up to its tricks)

      • Yup, I seem to recall that the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology cared A LOT about the state of Marty Rathbun’s e-meter.

  • Jgg2012

    “How high does it go?” Oh, about 5′ 1″.

    • ze moo

      Even I can dunk that!

  • In New Zealand, the Pastafarians have moved up equal to Scientology.

    http://lasvegassun.com/news/2015/dec/19/new-zealand-pastafarians-approved-to-officiate-mar/

    • B4you

      He he! R’Amen

    • Jgg2012

      Rastafarians. Jedi, Wiccans, Raelians and Sikhs are all larger than Scientology. The Moonies have leveled off a bit.

      • B4you

        this is “Pastafarians”

        • Jgg2012

          They’re also bigger, at least in New Zealand.

          • B4you

            you from NZ?

      • Rasha

        Yay! I made the big time!! Wooo—- oh, wait. Damn, off by a letter. My religion ain’t that great, I s’pose.

        • B4you

          The big Nodle is bigger than DM!

          • Rasha

            I dub him, “Davey Small Noodle” (does traditional Rashafarian dance)

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              This Rashafarianism sounds intriguing… what are the entry requirements? Is the use of a nail-gun involved at any point during the sacred rites? 🙂

            • Rasha

              Still working on the mailings, but, yeah. Nailgun.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Cool 🙂 Can I pre-sign?… I have PayPal (and the nailgun’s being delivered Monday).

      • NekMinit

        Little OT moment. I’m from NZ and this article was issued today regarding NZs first pastafari wedding http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11563745

  • BabySmurfette

    O/T, but Narconon related: Needing some help from Bunkerites. Our town council will be holding meetings soon to discuss approving permits for the building of a drug rehab center in our town. The facility would be owned by Twelve Oaks LLC and run by Pyramid Healthcare. I’ve done some research online and haven’t come across a Narconon connection but wanted to double check with all of you if either of the company names jump out.

    • B4you
    • B4you

      Brief search on google shows no connection to $cientology or any scandal.

      • BabySmurfette

        Good to see you didn’t find anything either. When the word ‘pyramid ‘ is in the name makes you think twice.

        • B4you

          I know 🙂 But any $cio would not print this on any site “Dual Diagnosis/ Co-Occurring Disorders TreatmentThese two terms describe a person who is not only addicted to drugs or alcohol, but also has a mental or emotional illness, such as depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, etc. Facilities that treat patients with dual-diagnosis or co-occurring disorders provide psychiatric treatment in addition to drug and alcohol rehabilitation services.”

          • Nor list Alcoholics Anonymous and a number of state agencies on their ‘resources’ page

    • ze moo

      Look at the names of those who will be running the center. Often, former state employees with connections to current state officials ‘run’ the place. Window dressing is important to such schemes. Even if former state employees are involved, they may be legit. Look at any former rehabs the new have been involved with. A pattern of failures is not that easy to hide.

    • Jimmy3

      I dunno, twelve oaks? That seems like a lot of oak. I usually wouldn’t trust anything claiming to be higher than 8 oaks.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You might want to take a look at Glass Door employee statements. There are a few alarming ones in there, like 16 hour work shifts, and this:

      “Two weeks unpaid vacation, no sick time, no personal days, no holidays. Must meet weekly billable hours to get medical benefits, if don’t meet insurance gets dropped.” That sounds very questionable.

      https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Pyramid-Healthcare-Reviews-E399826.htm

  • Newiga

    Powerful video as always, Karen. You are a strong woman, a force to be reckoned with. Thank you!

    • Observer

      Every time I see one of these videos I wonder if Captain Miscavige regrets his cruelty if for no other reason than the creation of such an implacable enemy. Then I think, no, he just blames his underlings.

      • Jimmy3

        Those POS ser fac’y PTS bastards pulled it all in. All of it.

        • aegerprimo

          YSYS!
          YSCOHB!

          • Spackle Motion

            If only I could be brave and get that on a personalized license plate. I would have a helluva time trying to explain that to my family and co-workers. But it would provide endless snickers for me.

      • Dr_Orpheus

        I’m sure the only thing that piece of shit (Miss Cabbage) regrets is that Karen’s not yet another permanent resident of the voluntary religious retreat at Gold.

        • Observer

          He’s pants-pooping terrified of her.

  • Amy Forsythe

    Came in the mail today.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      COB will read from TUML, and highlights from ‘Going Clear’ and ‘My Scientology Movie’ will be shown.

    • B4you

      I almost bought it!

    • Draco

      Honest advertising! Refreshing ;-p

    • Ella Raitch

      Just when you think you’ve seen the most over-the-top, gaudy publication, along comes the next COS promotion…

      • dchoiceisalwaysrs

        And there is so much blue/purple in it because all going to Flag are still holding their breath to see the 2016th thing that will finally ‘clear the planet’. I expect next year it will be all blacked out or even better ‘ scientology cleared out ‘

  • aegerprimo

    I’ve been doing double shifts in the hospital OR (operating rooms)…. and it leaves no time for commenting. (End of the year insurance deductibles and such.)
    I’ve barely had time to read and lurk. I love y’all and Tony you are AMAZING!

    • Rasha

      THANK YOU.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Mr Hole’s overtime season too. Hang in there

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I saw this shopping last night and thought of you, Aeger. (refresh)

      • B4you

        Now where is that scalpel?… Here hold my beer!

      • aegerprimo

        LOVE that!

    • Newiga

      Hang in there. My mom’s been working a lot of overtime and double shifts too. (She’s a geriatric nurse)

    • Juicer77

      Have missed you! Hope you get some time off around the holidays!

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Hang in there, AP, it’s almost the new year! Hope you have some much needed downtime coming to you soon…

  • joan nieman

    It sickens me how the church of scientology can extract money under the guise of charitable organizations and humanitarian fronts. How they have been able to get away with it for so long is unbelievable. I guess it is the freedom of religion cloak that protects them. This is nothing new to any of us here but it is still disgusting and yes, it is always worse than you think.

  • Tracy Schmitz

    ALWAYS ALWAYS REMEMBER EVERYONE THAT “narconon is the ONLY 100% works every time drug rehab organization in the entire world” said mr.cruise.. because why? “because they told me so, and that’s all i have to know! besides like EVERYTHING in scientology, “we just want to help” and it has such a good message!” even when he made this LUDICROUS statement years ago to a german journalist promoting war of the worlds did this simpleton TRULY believe the feces that was coming out of his mouth? duped/brainwashed or “lying, in the scam” which one is it folks?!..

  • i gave edward his xmas gifts, though he probably didn’t deserve any, today……a couple grinch ornaments then i got this collage made of evil grinches….i told him i was gonna post this pix on the bunker…..he says “hi everyone hope you enjoy laughing at my expense” ….we’re not laughing AT YOU, we’re laughing…wait….well yeah, we are laughing at you……and yes, like me, it’s natural to give the finger in a pix! 🙂

    http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/misstia/5549708/979525/979525_600.jpg

    • Rasha

      HI!!!! *waves* *flips the bird back* ^_^

    • Frodis73

      Waving at Edward! Hi crazy man! We are laughing, but we have Bunker love for ya at the same time.

    • Frodis73

      Also, please listen more closely to MT. Write down which one is your user name and which one is your password. 🙂

      • he’d say “for what account”? cuz he’s set up who the fuck knows how many accounts and then expects ME to know everything……GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Sherbet

      NOT how I pictured Edward at all.

      • i’ve posted pix of him here before….when we went to the wedding last month i posted our pix and then another pix of us from a few years ago…..

        • Sherbet

          I must have missed them. I’ve inferred he’d look like a classic PITA, but he looks like a nice, unassuming guy.

    • pat k

      Will he join us at Howdy fest? My hubby gets the Edwaed tales read to him. I think he’d like me to return to reading him the newspaper with coffe but we can’t take the quality or content. Anyway I pose the HP & Microsoft questions to him (he is an engineer at Intel) and the response is always a shake of the head & “don’t ever call customer service”. Now he is on the phone with America express trying to get his points & close his card. I’m going to get a cocktail.

      • YES!!!! I have told him to ensure he has those days off and he MUST join us at Howdycon!!!

        I just called him and suggested that he call the geek squad and yes, he’d have to pay for that but they would come to his house, sit next to him and set it up for him. Then he could call THEM for any questions!!!

        • Newiga

          Is he a relative of yours or…? If you don’t mind me asking.

          • no, he’s my best friend and i say he’s like my brother…..this past week he’s been a major detriment to my health though!! HAH!

        • pat k

          My friends experience with geek squad has always been positive. Mr k saw the am ex bill from last summer. He is not stopping my plans for June. But am ex continues get the charge for our newspaper ( he gets to read in silence!) on a card he refused to renew. Mcant explain the points.

          • FFS! I just told him about that and HE WOULD WANT ME TO BE THERE!!!! Be it if they there in person or on the phone. NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!

            What part of I AM BUSY don’t you get dude???
            When could I call them and it would be okay?
            Christmas Eve.

            Uh, sure.
            I don’t want to call them Christmas Eve, what about Wednesday?

            I HAVE A BIG THING TO WORK ON NO!!!!!!!!
            I still can’t connect to the internet
            on that POS HP
            but i can’t connect
            yes i know, but you can via your tablet, did the IP #s work?
            no
            FUCK, then call TWC back with my Question B [which i had emailed him having them create a new network connection for him to see if that would work]
            What about my set up?
            I’ll fucking set it up with my sledgehammer.
            I’m gonna call time warner
            great idea! i’m gonna go make dinner and i missed lunch AGAIN today

            FFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now off to make some black bean, pepper concoction for some tortillas and I believe I shall have my yearly comice pear….then i have to finish a towel i was making for the neighbors—a side project i started last night…..not one of my larger ones……..

          • I tried to tell him that but he’s INSISTING I sit there with him if they come in person OR sit there if he phones them. NO!!!!!!!! You pay them so I don’t have to be there dude!!!! I’m seriously gonna run away!!!
            Hope to see you in June! 🙂

    • beauty for ashes

      Hi Eddie! I think he looks like a cool cat to me!

      • He CAN be, as long as he’s not giving me a nervous breakdown over computer shit!!

  • No direct info, but Hell yes, DM was involved. Someone could check the int events around the time the whole project got going and I will bet anything that DM was hyping the shit out of it.

  • Mark

    How high does it go? Or how low? In this case, behind and a bit to one side of “Dr.” Islam, I’d say… (Refresh suspicions):

    • B4you

      Great! I like the lurker

      • Mark

        The little creep’s usually in there somewhere, whenever a podium’s involved…

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Yeah… good job the applebox only gets him that high 🙂

        • anoni81b4u

          REMEMBER THE PODIUM!

          • B4you

            aaahhh haha haha… FAIL!

        • Sherbet

          Give him a red hat, and he’s The Elf on the Shelf.

          • Mark

            Dip him in ink and he’s a Smurf.

      • Ella Raitch

        He must be on an apple crate to get his eyes in above the frame

    • Will Alfreddie stand by while Hanan goes to prison, if convicted?

      • Mark

        I should think he’s already hit the ground running—as far away and as fast as his stubby little legs will carry him.

      • Draco

        They follow the rule: What Would Ron Do?

        • Mockingbird

          How about what would Ron do ? Definitely don’t do that !!! Maybe do the opposite.

          • B4you

            didn’t he say “the truth is always 180 degrees opposite” just to confuse us all a little more!

            • Mockingbird

              Well I actually have several times described sociopaths, narcissists and malignant narcissists as telling lies 180 degrees from the truth to claim their victims virtues as their own. And their own crimes as being their victims. They additionally naturally call things including their actions their factual opposites so it creates doublethink in both their own minds and their victims as well.

              There is a tremendous amount of work by psychologists and people recovering from abuse that shows these ideas to be borne out in reality time and again. Martha Stout’s excellent book The Sociopath Next Door comes to mind as well as Take Back Your Life by Janja Lalich.

            • B4you

              I know. It’s just comical – so now! which way to turn? 🙂 I think it was one of his “Life is better understod 180 degrees reversed”. Sociopaths must be the point of origin even if he has to claim that his old grandfather was around your family-tree 3 decades ago and thus you where later born!

            • Mockingbird

              I know his antics are truly absurd. To control people he makes delusion truth and denies observable reality. If it didn’t do such terrible harm Scientology would be the world’s biggest joke.

        • anoni81b4u

          He would ride off into the sunset with a pocket full of your money!

          • Newiga

            LRH’s stylist was obviously an SP!

          • dchoiceisalwaysrs

            But wait, that is a Parade Marshall. Surely he wouldn’t ride away from trouble!

      • Sunny Sands

        L. Ron let the mother of his children take the rap.
        Alfreddie will do the same.

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          That’s a real MAN for yah……not

    • ze moo

      How high does it go?? Not above 4 foot 13 inches.

    • JaxNGold

      LOL!! Is that the dwarf in the bottom corner? Too funny.

      ETA: I didn’t notice that when I first saw this…

  • MaxSpaceman

    OT. This ran across Twitter feed. Ms Carmen is anti-sci, indignant former member, with a very out loud critic’s voice on the criminal conduct of The Cherch.

    What’s the beef, then, with our Proprietor. Am just not “up on the news” enuf to have any idea.

    • Sherbet

      Baloney. “in court” is where she/they have to prove that Tony writes or says anything that isn’t scrupulously true. And she/they can’t do that. As for her particular issue with Tony, I don’t remember what that is. Anybody?

      • Observer

        IIRC he declined to publish her story.

        • Sherbet

          You usually recall correctly.

          • I think he mentioned that in the comments once, very carefully.

            • Sherbet

              //shrugging shoulders// I don’t remember.

            • Observer

              Yep, that’s how I remember it.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Aaaah! Grapes of the sour variety!

        • Newiga

          That’s what I was thinking…

    • Rasha

      a) need clarification on what road, exactly, and
      b) Tony in court? LAST thing $ci wants, I’m sure.

    • Jerseygram

      “Smear tactics”? Definitely not Tony’s style at all.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      *eye roll*

      Pretty sure Tony hasn’t mentioned her in months. SMH

      • Observer

        Maybe that’s what she considers to be the “smear tactics.”

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Apparently. Not being part of the story seems to be the problem.

      • Newiga

        Ignoring=Smear tactics… *sigh*

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I honestly don’t know Newi, she blocked myself and a bunch of other critics a long time ago for some reason none of us could ever figure out. I wish her the best and hope if she needs some help, she’ll get it.

          • Newiga

            Yeah… I hope she gets some help. Seems like she has a lot of issues. 🙁

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Agreed. “Smear tactics” when the man hasn’t said her name in months (and when he did, he didn’t say anything unkind or untrue) sounds like hysterics. Not sure what she’s referring to or why she’s even mentioning Tony’s name but he certainly isn’t guilty of smearing her. And “will end up in court”?? Umm, I think not.

            • Juicer77

              I’m confused by this, too. When did her name ever come up? Or was she involved in this project somehow (even if innocently and tangentially) and just outed herself?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I don’t think she’s involved at all but only Tony would know that and I doubt he’d tell, which is one of the things I like about him. His sources can trust him.

            • Jack99

              Tony said this, a year ago: “It’s been really tough to stay quiet about this Radar “series.” I’ll
              just say that I interviewed Carmen extensively four years ago about her
              “harassment” — and then never wrote a word. Make of that what you
              will.”

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              He also responded to her yesterday, again very politely:

              https://twitter.com/TonyOrtega94/status/677870984938958848

            • Juicer77

              She seems to thrive on drama and attention, for one thing.

            • B4you

              she is an actor somewhere

          • Juicer77

            JMO, but from the little I’ve read about her she has a bitter streak a mile long. I was wondering about the consequences for TO also, but only as regards to what the Co$ may do as retaliation against him. These stories are cutting close to the Co$ bone, and he doesn’t flinch. For which we are all thankful.

          • Draco

            That’s sad…sounds like she got “handled”?

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Not sure about that Draco, I think she may have other issues. I feel for her, whatever problems she had/has, you know Co$ didn’t help any. 🙁

            • Draco

              I agree. I’ve spent a bit of time reading up on her and she is definitely not back in scn. I jumped the gun with my earlier post. As with most exes, I also feel for her. Having to get over the scn mindfuck is never easy.

        • B4you
    • BabySmurfette
      • B4you

        she is drunk!

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I saw this, too, but was hesitant to bring it up. Not sure if it’s paranoia run rampant or what. Shame, because often when she writes about her experiences in and out of sci, she’s quite eloquent.

    • JaxNGold

      What a stupid thing for her to say. She promises Tony will end up in court? Please. Pretty sure if $cientology had any grounds to sue, they would have…long ago. Does anyone know why she’s talking that mess? Isn’t she the ex-wife of Jason Lee? Maybe I’m mistaking her for someone else.

      • Robert Eckert

        Yes, that’s Jason’s ex. She often goes over-the-top.

        • noseinabk

          This is an understatement. For months I’ve tried to ignore the people who post her story’s. She behaves in way that furthers the agenda of the cos view that every ex is a bitter apostate. I view her in the same way I view the Russian tampon lady. Both of them would only be happy with us taking all they say as fact regardless of the inconsistencys.

      • MaxSpaceman

        No, you right, she is Mrs former Lee. A rant I couldnt figger out.

  • nottrue

    We know what #1 is. The Sec Check and it is…….http://listverse.com/2014/06/14/10-probing-facts-about-interrogations/

    • B4you

      lol wtf…

  • Science Doc

    Totally O/T. Low back pain? “The way out is the way through”. F5 with a big dose of opiate pain meds.

    • B4you

      OMG! looks like a toolbox

      • Science Doc

        Good description.

      • Juicer77

        You ought to see the special, long wrenches and drills they use to do all that. Better yet, be glad you haven’t.

        • B4you

          I think i know what you mean. No pics 🙂 it’s re stimulating my BT’s

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Or a rib separator. *shudder*

          • B4you

            arrrghhh!!! i have seen the patient after that. All yellow and tube-infested!

    • B4you

      you ok with the pain? Man!

      • Science Doc

        I’m pretty good today.

    • Observer

      Yikes! Why am I suddenly thinking of the x-ray scene in The Tingler?

      refresh

      • Science Doc

        I remember seeing that a long long time ago.

        • Observer

          I was 10 when I saw it and it scared the daylights out of me.

          • beauty for ashes

            Vincent Price is in that too?

            • Observer

              Yep

    • pat k

      My best karma to you. From my neck to your back…miracles through modern medicine.

    • anoni81b4u

      I heard marijuana helps with pain. I read it in a journal or magazine or something 🙂

      • B4you

        Right!

      • pat k

        I got off over sixteen years of opioids with medical marijuana …it Was very helpful. Still is. I am lucky to live where we can get it medically & recreationally.

        • Science Doc

          It’s good, but the level of pain was initially way out the league.

          • pat k

            Oh yes…there is a new questionnairre I saw that provides the script to make certain they are a short term fix. Wish I had that but happy I’m here today!

      • Science Doc

        Pot wouldn’t touch that pain for the first month. Initially opioid and muscle relaxant. I’m down to a topical plus cannabis and an ocassional muscle relaxant.

        • Draco

          That’s a big step right there.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Hardware man! Sorry for your pain. That looks like something they will be taking picture of with me some years in the future.

      Get better.

    • Rasha

      Nice engine block. Last of the Straight Sixes. What’s between them lumbar? Seriously – Forgive me for being out of the loop, but was this for disc degeneration? I do so hope you’re recovering well, Doc!

      • Science Doc

        Long standing lumbar issues.

        • Rasha

          Gotcha. Best wishes for improvement. Darned discs! 🙁

        • dchoiceisalwaysrs

          Any tips on prevention for any of us who are vulnerable?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Woh. That looks like a science fiction movie shot.

      • Science Doc

        No one so far has commented on the one big screw that went in the front. That requires a power drill where your guts normally sit.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Let me see, oh yes now I

          (faints)

          • Juicer77

            I still can’t watch my surgery (not mine, on someone else) on YouTube. Can watch pretty much everything else.

        • Juicer77

          I figured they went in the front also. I was lucky to get away with back-only. I’m amazed and very happy you’re doing so well. Plus you got a bonus booster disc replacement!

          • Science Doc

            I don’t know what they used to replace the discs yet.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          “Hey Harv! Hold those tube thingies out of the way while I put this screw in.” “No, higher, higher!” “I’m not sure this is going to fit. Do you have a longer bit?”

          If dinaluniticatics had any truth to it, you’d be screwed. Heh.

    • Juicer77

      Hey, nice hardware. 🙂 Hope your pain level continues to improve and you can get off the opioids on schedule. BTW if you are taking a nerve blocker like Lyrica, make sure you step down slowly on that. For me that was absolute he**, serious withdrawal and anxiety flare-ups.

    • Draco

      Oh my. That looks scary… ((((Science Doc))))

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Ouch Doc! Hope you’re feeling no pain at the moment. 🙂

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      You’re half way to being the bionic man! Seriously though, hope you get well soon 🙂

      • B4you

        That’s right! maybe he got special skills?

    • Juicer77

      Is the bone forming at the expected rate? (if that’s what the surgeon was hoping for?)
      ETA: did they morcelize your own bone or give you some donor?

      • beauty for ashes

        **morcelize** Bunker word of the day!

      • Science Doc

        There hasn’t been an X-ray since right after the surgery. My last bone grafts went really quickly. I think they took the crest off my pelvis for parts.

    • Ella Raitch

      My reaction to the spikes in your back is remarkably consistent with the expression on your avi’s face.

      • daisy

        lol

        • Ella Raitch

          Strangely, my reaction to some of your one liners is remarkably consistent with the expression in your avi’s face

          • daisy

            Not sure that is a compliment to my avi or my posts LOL

        • Ella Raitch

          Of course this was said only because of the perfect set up and I respect you to much to let the opportunity pass by.

          In truth all of your one-liners hilarious

          • daisy

            You are nice and sweet. YOU can also be also be fall down funny . I try to read posts everyday.

    • OOkpik

      Whooh…poor baby!

      Wishing you the best for a speedy recovery and a Happy Holiday.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Who is that cyborg?!

      Geez, Doc, that looks like torture, not treatment. Whoa.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      Ouchhhhh!. Hope it resolves a lot of the condition and pain.

    • Madison KinSmed

      OMG! (((((x47HUGS))))), Doc! Hope your pain is going down and your mobility up.

  • pat k

    I’m watching the original Star Wars trilogy with the boys. Becoming a Bunkerite has given me a new lens to see it through. I saw the wwII parallel before but this new layer is creepy.

  • new bollocks https://www.scientologybollocks.com/7256-2/

    bonus gifs

    come on Panchino! http://i.imgur.com/KQ9e0Pz.gifv

    baby owls doing their thing http://i.imgur.com/HrSUC9W.gifv

  • Madison KinSmed

    Could someone Google search the photo of the girls in the hijabs without the text? I tried but with the text all I get is movie posters from the ’70s. There is something odd about the picture but my brain is MeSsy today. Maybe someone else can see what I’m missing.

    • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

      I tried, but got nothing that matches.

    • Juicer77

      I am wondering if their native language is English, and if not, why are the books provided in English?

      • Observer

        My thought was that the photo was swiped and the cover shooped, but that would have been much better shooping than Scn has ever been able to pull off. I wonder if it was staged with NOI members, who do wear the hijab.

        • Juicer77

          It’s possible, but the guys in the back look Pakistani, to me. Really hard to tell without some context for the pic.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Look at the furniture, and the wall and the windows – and are there trees outside? To me it does not look like this photo was taken in the US – looks more Asia.

    • Dave Reams

      This isn’t going to end well for Scientology in the middle east
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbT6bQi-1bw

    • MM

      A reverse image search with TinEye (whch can also detect modified or derivative images) comes back empty ( http://tineye.com/search/5d5030a20f634c5c27f1119e7ba42c257ed13061/ ).

      The picture itself may have been taken as part of a recent ‘Youth for Human Rights’ photo op at Jahangirnagar University in Dhaka, the capital of Bangladesh.

      F5 for image (notice the young lady in front row behind the word ‘What’ who is wearing the exact same clothes as in the ‘two girls reading’ pic, and also the dark brown wood of the desks in the lower right corner)

      • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

        Good catch!

      • Always Amazed

        The other reading girl is in the same photo, 2nd to top row, to left of green scarved woman.

      • Madison KinSmed

        Thank you for doing the sleuthing…I’m apparently seeing conspiracies where there are none. Too much scientology😏…

  • Orglodyte

    How high does it go? Five feet, one inch.

  • OOkpik

    Another great video, Karen (and E). Veeery interesting.

    I’m constantly shaking my head at the lengths this so-called church will stoop to to get their own way – and money. What they have done to you and countless others is despicable at best.

    Thanks for keeping us informed. You and Jeff are certainly a dynamic duo, providing us with information and insights on a constant basis. <3

  • B4you

    Time for some Angry puppets F5

    • beauty for ashes

      **steals little one on end an hides under big white shirt**

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      I love how the stripey ones are all “GRRRRRR” and then the next one is bored, the next one is like “WTF” and the last one is full of snark.

      • beauty for ashes

        I thought the last one was full of Derp! But as long as you agree he/she is adorable I think we can agree to disagree.

        • B4you

          it looks like the owner ran out of toner

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            He needs a new “PuppyJet” cartridge.

      • Just like Bunkerites.

        • Juicer77

          LOL!

      • Ella Raitch

        It’s like the first three are pissed that the other three are in the picture

        • beauty for ashes

          Like, “Why you gotta make the band pic look so stupid?” 🙂

    • BraveBloggers

      I love the ones with adorable Mohawk like markings…and the ones who don’t have them too! The first three kind of look like they have attitude in their eyes.

    • Robert Eckert

      It showed up on my Facebook feed (maybe it was Derek Bloch who shared it?) with the caption “The puppy printer is running out of toner”

    • Juicer77

      Mad props to whoever got them to sit still long enough for the picture!

  • BraveBloggers

    O/T – But just wanted to say to all (holiday spirit hitting here) I’m very grateful for this community, the extremely intelligent and interesting reports Tony provides, the thoughtful, funny, caring and educating comments and much more.

    This is not only a special place, but an important one for advocacy, enlightenment, empowering and ensuring the abuses highlighted here are not missed. And providing voices for those who are no longer with us to share their experiences, providing a place for those who can speak to do so and a place for those seeking critical information to come and help them on whatever journey they may be on.

    Thank you to all this holiday season and the rest of the year.

    Sorry, didn’t mean to derail but sometimes the heart and mind must speak and I’m feeling rather fortunate that The Bunker (and its wonderful members) is here to do so. Hugs and best wishes for all. (Turns gushy emo switch to off…for now.)

    • OOkpik

      FAIL at the “Sorry, didn’t mean to derail” bit. This is so relevant and heartfelt. Joy to you too, BB.

    • Rasha

      Best derail EVAR!!!!!!

    • B4you

      always nice to know there is someone at the other end of the line. happy Holiday back!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Cue the Jingle Bell choir! 🙂

      http://i.imgur.com/6dq7yWG.gifv

      • OOkpik

        Aaaaw…

      • Ruby

        This is so cute!

      • Ella Raitch

        Gaaah. Hypntoic bobbleheads.

        Wadda you trying to do here, woman!

        This some kinda Scientology-handle-the-internet with kitteh gif TRs?

        Or probably just the kitties going that one step further in taking over the internet!

      • aegerprimo

        SUPER CUTENESS!

      • Juicer77

        Now there’s a bunch of Troublemakers 😉

    • Ruby

      XO thank you!

    • beauty for ashes

      Tooootally believe in expressing what is on your heart especially if it is gratitude and love. I will join you in the heartfelt thank you chorus. I always borrow line from “The Color Purple” by Alice Walker ~God gets mad when you walk by the color purple and don’t notice. **probably not perfect quote*
      So many good people different and unique. I have learned so much from so many of them. Very Very very grateful. <3 <3 <3 (((hugs BB)))

      • pat k

        A loose friend lent me that book. When I saw the line highlighted I knew there was more to him than met the eye! I think of it very often.

        • beauty for ashes

          🙂 I can’t believe I read it at 13, and I still think about it, considering what a voracious reader I have been.

      • BraveBloggers

        LOVE that quote. It’s one of my favorite movies.

    • Ella Raitch

      I remember your coming out post BB.

      It’s great to have you along here for the ride.

      • BraveBloggers

        Thank you. Hugs

    • aquaclara

      Big hugs to you, too! I’m so grateful that people post thoughts and observations, feelings and regrets. We can’t fix the regrets, but we can be sure everyone learns from them.

      After an official 39 (or 40) years of officially hating this cult, I’m ready for more good news.

      Tony has an inventory of breaking news, between here at the Bunker and his articles at the VillGe Voice. Surely it’s time for the implosion…..

      Happy 2016 and best wishes for the implosion we are all so ready for….”

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Woh, you’re a 40 year vet?!

        • aquaclara

          Yes. But I was in high school….
          Sientology made quite an impact on the residents of Clearwater….NONE of it good.

          We all noticed.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Lovely words, babes. Happy holidays to you and your’n!

      • BraveBloggers

        Ty! Same to you and a sangria glass held up in cheers to you!

    • Juicer77

      *gives gushy emo hug* 😉

      • BraveBloggers

        Aww Juice. Making me more emo.

  • EnthralledObserver

    What’s chilling…? Seeing Islam and $cientology play together.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      To be fair, NOI is not considered true Islam. It’s a wacky offshoot. It’s like Rev. Jim Jones or David Koresh didn’t represent true Christianity, except in their twisted little brains. NOI is mostly known for their hate speech directed at Jews, Catholics, LGBT, whites in general. It is labeled a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

      ETA: To clarify – Yes, I agree that CO$ & NOI together is chilling.

      • B4you

        aha! good to know

      • dagobarbz

        It’s only a matter of time before Scientology or one of its representatives forgets and unleashes something stupid and racist to get NOI attention.

        I don’t wanna be anywhere near that when it goes down…

    • Ella Raitch

      Let’s hope that once they realise they don’t share nicely they start hitting each other with their toys

    • Sandy

      You do know that the Muslim religion is a gentle faith?

      • Sandy

        This poster said a lot of nasty things about our Muslim friends. I will not forget.

        • TheMirrorThetan

          Why did you reply to yourself. If you have a beef with something someone posts answer them directly.
          That is not what she meant and you know it. She was confusing NOI and islam like alot of people do weather you like it or not.
          And ” I will not forget” sounds like a threat you know.

          • Sandy

            Don’t be silly, Mirror. She has posted terribly hurtful things about Muslims. But, perhaps you missed them. Anyway, if I accidentally posted to myself – my bad. Just calling her out on her Islamaphobe posts in the past. Peace out.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I think they meant NOI instead of Islam. Alot of people make that mistake. For a long time (at least in the US) the only Islam anyone ever heard about was “The Nation of Islam”. Farrakhan was all over the place media-wise and practically made himself the face of Islam here.

      • daytoncapri

        A muslim doctor saved my father’s life.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Yeah… Nah… I don’t think so. I’ve seen that book.

    • aegerprimo

      My feeling…. it is fake play, something like when L Ron Hubbard tried to take over and/or buy Rhodesia aka Zimbabwe.
      http://tonyortega.org/2013/04/20/african-queen-the-man-l-ron-hubbard-thought-he-was/

    • TheMirrorThetan

      They seem to be temporary bedfellows for now using each other for their own personal gains, but when the relationship sours it might get quite nasty.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I want a CO$ Christmas gift basket too!!! The CO$ making friends in NYC…

    PHOTO CAPTION – “Never thought I’d ever say this but thank you followers of Xenu, your treats are appreciated” #scientology #tobeapartner #nomsarenoms #baristalife #aliencookies

    https://www.instagram.com/p/_dBEhouVPW/?taken-by=d_alms

    • B4you

      maybe they are returning it to Starbucks with there own note.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I wouldn’t doubt that it could be a re-gift. I wonder if all of their neighbors got one. “Hey, don’t you worry about that creepy stuff that you saw in Going Clear, you should like us because we are giving you this holiday popcorn!”

        • B4you

          it’s a way to ease off any hostility from the fact that OTees creates so many empty parking spots at there mere present! or something…

    • B4you

      You know! $cientologist are so dreadful that when they come in, the flowers goes out!

    • beauty for ashes

      Don’t eat it! Its covered with exorcised BT’s!

      • dagobarbz

        They gotta go SOMEWHERE!

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      What happened to wishing people a “healthy and happy 2016”? Apparently the church of scientology never got that memo…..

      • B4you

        I don’t think they are wishing anymore. Now it’s hard core postulating!

      • beauty for ashes

        Frankly that would be too nice and out exchange.

        • aegerprimo

          Nail on head Beauty!

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    The public members of the church must be having a terrible time with cognitive dissonance. There is no way for them to avoid the popular culture as it becomes increasingly aware of scientology’s abuses. That plus the constant pressure to give money, the threat of disconnection, and now the news stories about Medi-Cal fraud, all of these have to be taking a huge toll on the health and state of mind of the members. The vast majority of public members must be over 40 (if not 50, 60 or 70), and the human body’s fight or flight mechanisms were not designed to be on 24/7/365. The numbers of mental, emotional and physical burn-outs has to be increasing dramatically. Living with all of the above pressure plus cognitive dissonance must be hell for those in the church who have any self-awareness left. I think a mass exodus of a size we have not seen before is coming. We should make clear to these still-in, but on the fence, members that there is warm, welcoming community waiting here at the Bunker for them.

    • B4you

      i wonder if there is a “tipping-point”

      • Amy Forsythe

        Have a feeling there is and it’s soon.

      • dagobarbz

        We already hit one, when Chanology exploded on the scene. When the internet got involved, I knew it was only a matter of time.

        Now the exes doesn’t afraid of Scientology any more, to the point of actually standing up to them in life and in court. The next tipping point is coming soon. I, Xenubarb, predict it will be so!

    • Amy Forsythe

      Lovely post!

    • When is that Oscar thing starts? January?

      • Science Doc

        Nominations mid January. Ceremony is the end of February.

    • OOkpik

      The unfortunate truth is that many Scientologists are first, second and now third generation Scientologists, immigrants, students, youngsters looking for help or answers etc.. I would like to believe you are right about the vast majority being over-50s…..

    • Juicer77

      You’re quite possibly right about the mass exodus. Questions: will the snitch culture of the Co$ make people to walk away much more quietly due to fears of backlash from their “cherch”? Or is there such a low number of “faithful” left that they are ineffective against a large group of Ex’s. And I sure hope this mass exodus doesn’t involve setting up a “new and improved” Hubbardthink system. Keep a sharp eye on groups like the Haifa indies for signs of corporate coagulation.

    • The point of cog diss theory is that there are two ways out of this psychological discomfort. One is to acknowledge that there is something wrong, and do something about it (recommended in this case). The other is to rationalise your doubts with the help of social pressure from the people around you.

      The theory was born from a prediction made about a fringe group which declared the end of the world. The psychologists predicted that when the world went on turning this would (counter-intuitively) actually increase commitment in many people https://scicrit.wordpress.com/2014/04/30/understanding-the-scientology-mindset-pt-1-cognitive-dissonance/

      It explains why all of these pressures often don’t drive people away, but turn them into ‘true believers’.

  • Amy Forsythe

    Hey OSA: Better start working on that exit strategy. You know Dave is.

    • B4you

      Yeah! Watch him!

    • Juicer77

      OSA ops: Be aware of signs he’s about to target YOU. Yes, YOU personally. You know what they are. He WILL toss you under the bus to save his own behind.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Let us wogs wish every clam the “bright” realization that the CO$ is something they need to blow…

    PHOTO CAPTION – “Happy Holidays and Planetary Dissemination of good will, from Father Hubbard. Now how the heck did they find me?” #churchofscientology #happyholidays2015

    https://www.instagram.com/p/_dE2xkC0qX/?tagged=churchofscientology

    • B4you

      Puke!

    • Amy Forsythe

      …..and give us all your money.

      God Bless

    • salin

      … and… Answer Our Phone Calls!

    • Juicer77

      Why is “Planetary Dissemination” just stuck on the end there? Not even a Much Love, just another marching order. So warm and fuzzy! (NOT)

    • scottmercer

      “Cause sure as hell didn’t get ’em! I had millions of dollars, my own crappy navy and a slave force ready to die for me, but I couldn’t enjoy it because I thought the souls of dead ancient aliens were possessing my body and I ended up hiding and living in a camper in the sticks zoned out on Vistaril with no teeth left, until I died of a stroke convinced that the aliens were coming for me.” – L. Ron Hubbard

  • Fink Jonas

    I love the “thanks LEGOLAND” thing it never goes away, lol is a nightmare for LEGOLAND

    • MM

      “I love the “thanks LEGOLAND” thing it never goes away, lol is a nightmare for LEGOLAND”

      Yeah, Tony’s use of that phrase has a certain ‘Cato the Elder’ ring to it 😀

      (Cato was the Senator of Rome who allegedly ended all his speeches with the remark “Oh and BTW I’m voting that Carthage must be destroyed”)

    • Frodis73

      I’m so glad you said this. I have been meaning to thank Tony for not letting them forget. It’s a nice kick in the ribs to Legoland.

      • chukicita

        Yes – no one wants LEGOLand to go down in flames; but they should be held accountable for their irresponsible actions, even when the road to hell is paved with LEGO bricks with the best of intentions.

  • Fink Jonas

    “But then he said he wanted us to train this guy to do withdrawal.”
    Withdrawal!!! like hitting an Iceberg… how does a Detox-program institution that claims higher success rates doesn’t know anything about the word withdrawal. Narconon has an MU and they will be confused till they clear it out.

  • Atif L.

    That tipster bonus photo HAS to be Photoshopped… speaking of which, I decided to have a little fun with the John Travolta / Victor Vega meme that has been popular as of late and generate this beaut….

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    You wonder what brings people into the CO$?
    BTW – DMT is a psychedelic drug and this guy isn’t joking. The first post was in August, the second 2 weeks ago and the last one today. SMH

    PHOTO CAPTION – “I know how the #ChurchofScientology feels on the recreational use of #hallucinogens, but I don’t know how they feel about my DMT induced hallucination/experience told me to come to #Scientology.
    #DMT #experiencedmt #spirituality #spiritualpilgrimage I Am*
    https://www.instagram.com/p/6VOOTuF3_i/

    PHOTO CAPTION – “Reading New Slant on Life at the #mightymiamiorg in #coralgables
    https://www.instagram.com/p/-rmw5ZF3zx/?taken-by=alternativezen

    PHOTO CAPTION -“This is the smile someone who is ready to learn the practical application of #Dianetics #openthemind #scienceofthemind”
    https://www.instagram.com/p/_e2BxEF38T/?taken-by=alternativezen

    • daisy

      So so sad. Replaced one destructive behavior for another. Scientology is worse.

    • Frodis73

      That is messed up.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Little does he know that his “little green men” DMT experience has already barred him from the upper levels.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          I have doubts about anyone being disqualified from anything in CO$ anymore, not as long as they still have money to be mined. The old-timers say that psychiatric treatment and psych meds disqualified new clams but that is not the case nowadays and hasn’t been for a number of years. It’s all about the Benjamins.

    • aegerprimo

      #dumbass

    • Orglodyte

      Ah, he will have a good story soon. The way I got in was I decided to do an experiment: following every “walk” sign in a city and seeing where that led me, and just going with whatever happened. Ran smack into a body router.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Anyone know what these CO$ wings are supposed to be about?

    PHOTO CAPTION – “Tower control… requesting permission for takeoff…” #HanSOLO #CharlieTodd #TheForceIsStrongWithThisOne

    https://www.instagram.com/p/_b1GAWyZt7/?taken-by=alejoariasa

    • Eivol Ekdal

      It’s never a good idea to post pictures of your keys. This genius must work for security.
      Dear OSA – you might want to let this guy know. Please be kind though, no RPF needed. Just tell him and I am sure he will get it. In the extreme I guess you could ban him from using his camera while on the job.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Seen his video?
      He speaks Spanish and I can quite make out the number of people he says at the IAS 2015 event.
      I think he says “treinta mil personas”.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        IDK, I can’t understand it.

      • chukicita

        Really? But I bet there aren’t even 3,000 BTs there.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Every time the cash register rings, a whale gets his wings.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        But Buffalo wings are so much tastier and a whole lot cheaper! I’ll have to stick with them, but thanks. 🙂

        BTW – They look like those cheap wing pins that airlines used to pass out free to kids who were taking their first airplane ride. The CO$ truly is the “church” of tacky swag, it’s it?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          They really do – the crap that DM puts out now is a hoot

    • Chee Chalker

      You just know when Dave and Tom look at this picture, they get tiny erections.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Those are “solo wings.” They are awarded to the person who finishes the “Solo Auditors Course” which trains you to audit yourself.

      The meme they try to attach to the OT levels is being your own “Pilot” on the route to OT. So you get pilot’s wings to make you feel like you know something others don’t. You are special.

      That is another reason they use the “seagull” image. You floating high above others like a bird, so you can shit on them.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Thanks. If you are a solo auditor, who audits yourself, are you above someone who audits with a twin? Then is auditing with a twin, less expensive because you don’t have to take “Solo Auditors Course”?

        • Sid

          A solo auditor audits their BTs. You are in effect the ‘auditor’ and the BT(body thetan) is the PC (pre-clear). Prices vary but typically the higher you go the more expensive.

          • Since there are relatively few people on these ‘advanced’ levels it must be difficult to ‘twin’ them, especially as they are required to spend a lot of time ‘auditing’ – so other motives for inventing solo auditing include:

            1) Not having to worry about the logistics of ‘twinning’ people – you can take their money right away
            2) Less likelihood of ‘twins’ really communicating, and developing doubts

            As people ‘advance’ through Scientology training it becomes progressively less credible, and they must be increasingly isolated to offset this. The highest levels are so incredible that they must be put into solitary.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          In the beginning was the Crowley. And the left hand path and the Golden Dawn were the first way.

          And lo, Hubbard saw that it was good. And he duplicated his source, the beast 666, and took his place. His affirmations and hypnotism were the second way, and he said it was good.

          But the gelt was thin in those days and Hubbard was not amused at a penny a word so he called upon his inner grifter and bootlegged self-hypnotism into a popularized self-help tome. He called it “dianetics” and it was good. For a while.

          And the reader of dianetics was encouraged to find another reader of dianetics and fuck with each other’s minds until they felt better. And buy more Hubbard books.

          And the popularity and the public appeal of dianetics was the third way, and it was very good for Hubbard’s bankaccount.

          And lo, the readers of dianetics clamored for Hubbards word and flesh, and Hubbard saw he could cut out the publisher middleman and make more money by making dianetics a business. And so he did, and made more and more money and paid fewer and fewer bills. And no one knew just how not good it was.

          But Hubbard was too lazy to audit others, and saw he could charge people to audit each other. So he called them twins and the co-audit and case supervision were born from the greed of Hubbard and it was written.

          Many years of light and darkness would pass until the new world of Scientology was created by Hubbard because he could no longer sell dianetics. And the new Scientology was the fourth way, and Hubbard pronounced it better than ever. Because he made sure he got paid.

          Taking a course in Scientology and then auditing another student of Scientology was a ritual of Scientology because Hubbard said it was cheap to do. But Hubbard still sold the courses. And the twins audited each other in the evening and the morning, day after day. And they thought it good.

          But a darkness moved across the firmament, as Scientologists began to stray from the Hubbard money suck. So he created new things to sell by ripping off his early smart creative customers, then declaring them bad. So he had new things to sell and said it was good.

          And in the fullness of time and his never full enough pockets, Hubbard decided he could charge for auditing directly and make even more cash which would be even more good. And the fees and charges were good.

          Hubbard thus preyed upon those who were too impatient for the Hubbard hypnotism to become trained auditors and audit their “twins” (and not paying Hubbard for all the time they spent doing it) so Hubbard filled his pockets even to a greater measure.

          At last, many years into his scam, Hubbard was beset with complaints and the law and even unto expulsion from countries and federal indictments. And in this distress, he invented further ways to extract gelt from the bank accounts of his hypnotized minions. This he called the OT levels, a pretense at delivering what he promised in Scientology.

          And the self counseling of the the OT levels Hubbard called “solo” and it was very good indeed because the solo auditor had only himself to blame, not a twin or one of Hubbard’s employees, but Hubbard could charge for it. Brilliant brilliant brilliant.

          And the Solo auditing levels were the mark sitting alone talking to his imaginary thetans infesting his body while reading the meter. And the Levels and the Body Thetans were the fifth way, and it was all very very good. For Hubbard. But the solo auditors creating their own daemons and trying to talk them into leaving many times went insane. And that was very very bad. When you are flying solo, there is no one to catch you.

          And so a darkness had moved across the world in the name of the beast, which is now L. Ron Hubbard, and his number is 666.

          Amen

          • JaxNGold

            Love this…laughter!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Last line – LOL’s with my morning coffee

  • The Dude

    I need some good thoughts and (Dare I say as a Atheist.) prayers for my baby bunny Pikachu. My wife had to rush her to the hospital today while I was at work. My son is at his Grandmothers for the weekend. And the baby bunny went into major distress. Not eating. Not drinking. We went together back to the hospital when I got home about a hour ago. She seemed much better, my wife said. We have had her 6 days and she is already a part of the Family. I am a mess…..
    It feels like someone has kicked me in the stomach.
    Now I can’t eat or drink either.
    This sucks.

    • Sherbet

      Your favorite Sister of the Order of Bunkerites is saying prayers for all of you, Pikachu especially. You have a good heart, Dude.

      • The Dude

        Naw. I am just a Dad. And that is one of my kids. I would do the same for any member of my Family. It is going to cost us a lot, but I don’t care. Money is nothing. Love is everything.

    • Rasha

      Best wishes and hugs!
      #HugsForPika #OmNomNomNom

    • aegerprimo

      ♥………….

    • Frodis73

      I’m sorry to hear this. Were they able to give you a diagnosis at all? Sending hugs and healing vibes your way.

      • The Dude

        All we know is that she was dehydrated. No intestinal blockage. Maybe a blood infection, I will know more in a couple of days when the blood work comes back. She said septis. She said she can treat it. We really love this bunny.

        • aquaclara

          I think I love your bunny too. Good luck, Dude. Truly hope things work out well. Your bunny pics are so sweet.

    • beauty for ashes

      Sending bunny healing prayers Pikachu’s way, and good vibes to you and yours. <3 <3 <3

    • Chee Chalker

      Aww. Poor bunny. Don’t worry – I don’t think the bunny pulled it in. Prayers for buuny headed your way!

    • noseinabk

      Is this a baby bunny? We had one that was very sweet and was raised from a baby. The 2nd bunny we had became nasty and grumpy not long after we had it. Turned out that she needed to be spayed but she was never sociable after reaching maturity.

      • The Dude

        Yes. Just 10 weeks old.
        We love her.

      • The Dude

        This one is so nice and gentle. Likes to hop into my jacket and snuggle in the warm between me and the jacket. She took to me immediately.

        • Madison KinSmed

          Dude, I hope Pikachu is okay. Sending bunny prayers your way…

    • salin

      Sending warmth to your family and bunny. It is amazing how quickly our new animal family members become full fledged members of the family. Wishing for the best for your bunny and your family.

    • Sejanus

      That is a genuine booplesnoot!
      and I know a booplesnoot when I see one.

      Was Pikachu’ still making cocoa puffs and urinating?
      What do you mean by distress specifically?
      Just not eating and drinking or exhibited tenderness and reluctance to be touched?
      First thought is a GI lock which with a trained bunny vet is treatable when caught fast.

      If the internals are not moving, there could be a blockage.
      Papaya supplements are good
      .
      Home remedies would be…
      some fresh pineapple…never canned,
      a finger nail sized bit of banana,
      a bit of mineral oil administered orally.

      Tons of great info to be had by going to houserabbit.org.

      • The Dude

        All we know is that she was dehydrated. No intestinal blockage. Maybe a blood infection, I will know more in a couple of days when the blood work comes back

        • Sejanus

          ok, if the vet rules it as sepsis based on bloodwork, that could be a misdiagnosis.
          Sepsis is only diagnosed through a nasal swab introduced under general anesthesia through the nasal pathways to the back of the cavity and plate.

          That is always the extra rough part about when they are so young…extra fragile even for bunnies.
          Does it live alone or with other rabs?

          (have been a house rabbiter for 35+ yrs here)
          currently two big New Zealand mixes Crom and Bea…he is the white one.

          • The Dude

            She was with her sibs till we took her 6 days ago.

            • Sejanus

              You likely already know this, but if you can find out the condition of the others that would be massively helpful. If for no other reason than to give them a heads up in case others start displaying symptoms.
              It sounds like you folks are on top of it and doing everything you can.
              Fast response and diagnosis in rabbits is more important than any other species of pet if treatment has a hope.
              I can say I have seen amazing leaps and bounds in treatments for then in just the last 12 years.
              Unheard of procedures have rapidly become almost common place in the hands of rabbit specializing vets.

              You are good parents doing right by your son and your newest family addition.
              All my hopes!

            • The Dude

              I told my wife to call the breeder after we know more. I met the woman. She had a big farm with all sorts of animals. Very well taken care of.

            • Allie

              Was she lonely for her peeps? even though you lovingly cared for her?
              It seems so strange that her condition changed so rapidly.

            • The Dude

              We don’t know yet

          • JaxNGold

            Precious babies!

          • Frodis73

            Another reason to love the Bunker-I’m always learning something new here. We were talking about rabbits yesterday too. Now I know we have a bunny expert on hand.

          • Juicer77

            Crom: “Yeah, ladies, I got it going ON. Look at my epic ‘do.”
            Bea: “Sigh.”

            • Sejanus

              Yeah he is a total metrosexual bun….its funny he has the attitufe to make it work as he is something of a knucklehead.
              She loves him like crazy though.
              As a power couple they are …CromBea…lol

            • Juicer77

              XD

      • The Dude

        Doctor said poop was good. She is eating again, but not regular. So no GI distress. She was dying. My wife did the right thing. We went to see her at the vet. She was happy to see us we could tell. She perked right up when we got there.

      • The Dude

        She was catatonic my wife said. Laying there unresponsive. My wife took her out to play and she just lurched and staggered. That is when she called me and I told her t o take her to the vet. I called beforehand to let them know she was coming

      • The Dude

        That link doesn’t work BTW. Just sayin.

        • Sejanus

          Oopsies my bad.
          Corrected.

    • Baby

      i am so sorry dude..positive thoughts sent your way honi..xo love baby

    • Juicer77

      Sending healing thoughts to you, Pikachu.

    • seriouslyWTF

      Positive thoughts to Pikachu and to you Dude.

  • Krustie openly begging for work….

    pic

    • Tyler Perry just LOLed.

    • KingofSweden

      Tyler Perry does not need Krustie… any role she could play, he could do just as well in drag (and he has).

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    LEAH TECH scores more WINS!!!

    PHOTO CAPTION – “It’s raining in LA, so I think I’ll spend time with my fellow religious #Troublemaker @leahremini. Did I nail her sly smile right? This book is really fascinating for anyone interested in American #religion. Read it.” #Scientology #GoingClear
    https://www.instagram.com/p/_fkBDemIZ9/

    PHOTO CAPTION – “I just finished reading this and it was so so good! I’ve always been a fan of Leah Remini. She is real and she is bad ass and of course any girl who curses as much as I do is awesome in my book. Lol. 😄 But seriously, really fascinating stuff!” #Scientology #wackadoo #wtftomcruise #troublemaker #leahremini

    “And by fascinating I mean completely fucking disturbing in case that wasn’t clear.”
    https://www.instagram.com/p/_fpqqcQapX/

    PHOTO CAPTION (posted by same person) – Next because now I’m hooked on the subject of this craziness. #Scientology
    https://www.instagram.com/p/_fskpZwaui/

  • Chee Chalker

    With all this talk of federal subpoenas, one can almost hear the shredding machines buzzing all night.
    Any evidence with COBs name attached to it will be destroyed.
    It will be interesting to see who COB throws under the bus….will it be one or two ‘rogue employees’ or will the entire NOI be cut out of the special ‘Tom Cruise/David Miscavige’ inner circle?
    In future years, I think we will all look back at 2015 as a special year. A year where the final straws were being placed on the camel’s back…..it mag be a prolonged and slow demise, but there are just too many holes to keep this raft afloat anymore. It may limp on for years to come, but (IMO) it’s over.
    No one takes them seriously (except themselves) and no one is afraid of them anymore. Not as much anyway.
    They went from the vicious pit bull go the old grumpy poodle no one likes. Sure, Grandma’s nasty old poodle can still bite, but now we can kick it before it.can run away.

    I am now having flashbacks to my childhood where my best friend’s grandmother had the world’s meanest poodle, ironically named Happy.
    Happy terrorized the block for what seemed like an eternity. But the hands of time were not kind to Happy.

    One day I looked at Happy and just felt sorry for him. Not even worth the kick!

  • great snark on scientology PR and Miscavige from Rolling Stone magazine…. bonus points for having a picture of Ted Cruz in it

    “Besides, he already founded a newspaper, the Israel Hayom, whose journalistic relationship to Benjamin Netanyahu is less impartial than Scientology’s public relations team is to David Miscavige.”

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/this-is-sheldon-adelsons-election-20151218

    pic

    • Amy Forsythe

      Hey Dave, you’re a punchline wherever you look. Epic!

    • Juicer77

      Bwahahahahahha!

    • Captain MustSavage

      Dats gotta hoit.

  • aquaclara

    Sending a huge thumbs up to all the brave people speaking up. Thanks. You know who you are.

    • Jimmy3

      YOURE VERY WELCOME

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I wonder how Warner Bros. & Eastwood would feel about Cardone using “Dirty Harry” to advertise his crap?
    Posted to his Instagram today.
    (refresh)

    https://www.instagram.com/p/_dIg0nRXJu/

    • UNIVERSITY?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Are you implying that Cardone University is not legit? Well, there goes my 11+ grand a year… LOL
        (refresh)

        • OTVIII is Great!!!

        • Robert Eckert

          I’m not sure that Grant Cardone has a complete package.

      • Amy Forsythe

        Lesson Plan #1.

        1. Smoke big cigars
        2. Buy Russian wife
        3. Act like a total jerk.

      • Graham

        Affiliated to Elwrong Flubtard’s Oxford Capacity University.

  • Hey OSA, Merry Tory Christman!

    • Juicer77

      And a Happy New Flunk!

  • Fink Jonas

    BUSTED! I hope the IRS puts two and two and uses this against scientology trying to defraud another government institutions.

    • Juicer77

      Even one violation is enough to yank their tax-exempt status. Multiple charges would be preferable. (f5) “Ham Fisted Trout Run”

      • B4you

        Some day you have to explain this picture to me 🙂

        • Juicer77

          I have to go back and find who created the original artwork, but it was around the time last May/June when the NarCONon battle in Frederick County, Maryland was reaching its zenith. A bunkeroo created it and it just resonated with me, for some reason. “Ham-fisted” is American slang for being very clumsy and careless. Seemed appropriate for all the glaring mistakes the Co$ is making these days.

          • B4you

            Ha ha Ok! my abstraction skill’s are very limited, but i agree.. there is something about it that makes you wanna look at it!

  • Sarah James

    Captain David “let him die” Miscavige wants us all to know he is above any and all wog laws keep it up Dave. You have torn apart families piece by piece. Looking forward to 2016. Think you might consider 2015 a cakewalk compared to life I the new year.

  • Supper Powers
    • TheMirrorThetan

      Listening to it right now.
      Cant wait til New Years for Chris’s book to come out. It should be great.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Thanks Karen. I look forward to your videos.
    35 years service you gave the church and they continue to keep shitting on you like this. It is disgusting.