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L. Ron Hubbard’s regressive homophobia: Can Scientology’s celebrities handle the truth?

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Yesterday, former Scientology spokesman Mike Rinder posted a statement about Scientology’s homophobia which not only collected founder L. Ron Hubbard’s statements about homosexuality’s “perversion” but also explained, from his personal experience, how Rinder observed the organization’s baked-in hate for gays and lesbians.

It was a remarkable personal essay and we highly recommend that you read it and bookmark it for whenever Scientology’s attitudes about homosexuality come up in future news stories. We’re thinking of a recent attempt by Scientology celebrity Laura Prepon to claim that the situation was otherwise.

We’ve also written about Scientology’s homophobia. One of the more intriguing stories we got to look into while we were at the Village Voice described the struggles of a man named Keith Relkin. In that 2011 piece, we explained that Relkin, who lived in West Hollywood, had taken on the role as the church’s token gay guy, and tried to convince the press that Scientology was actually gay-friendly. Privately, however, he complained to friends that the church undermined him at every turn, had him spy on other people in the film business, and denied him any chance to move up to the courses offered only in Clearwater, Florida because of his orientation.

Also, we got to know the singular Derek Bloch while we were at the Voice. We were struck by what an intelligent young man he was, and what a good writer. But he’d committed the crime of writing anonymously at a web forum about how he’d failed out of Scientology’s “Sea Org” because he was gay. Scientology’s spy wing then figured out who was behind his anonymous online writing, confronted his parents about it, and they then disconnected from him.

As we explained in those stories, and as Rinder explains in even better detail, L. Ron Hubbard classified homosexuals as “1.1” on his “tone scale” of emotion, which equates to “covert hostility.” Auditing in Scientology is supposed to move you higher on that scale, into better emotional states. So, as a consequence, Scientology is a “cure” for homosexuality as gay members are expected to audit their way out of their covert hostility and into a happier, non-gay state. And since Hubbard died in 1986 and his writings are set in stone (or “source”) to Scientologists, the organization can’t change its outdated ideas about gays and lesbians.

Sunny Pereira reminded us that she experienced a telling example of this thinking. We met her in Dallas during our book tour, but she was already well known to us because of her appearance in the 2010 Tampa Bay Times story, “No Kids Allowed.” Pereira was one of three women — the other two were Claire Headley and Laura DeCrescenzo — who came forward about Scientology forcing young women in the Sea Org to have abortions in order to enforce the Sea Org’s “no children” policy.

Today, Pereira is happily married with children. But she told us that she still had the documents describing why she got kicked out of the Sea Org in 2004: “I kissed a girl,” she said.

The documents she gave us refer only to “Out-2D with a staff member.” That’s Scientology’s jargon for “out-ethics” on the “second dynamic,” which is code for illicit sexual activity (but could be anything from flirting to outright sexual intercourse). On page 2, however, there’s a slip when the document refers to Sunny failing to report the staff member and refers to “her.”

 
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And Pereira isn’t the only one who was kicked out of the Sea Org for a same-sex kiss. Nora Crest has talked about how she also ended up getting punished and ultimately left the Sea Org because she had kissed another woman.

We told Nora that we were going to put together this piece, reacting to Rinder’s post, and asked if she wanted to say something about Scientology’s homophobia.

Well, she did a lot more than that. She quickly put together a video, and we were stunned when we saw it. Brace yourself, because this is one for the ages. We think Nora is incredibly brave for making it, and we’ll let you find out what she reveals in it as she talks about how Scientology demonizes and punishes gay people.

Laura Prepon, we dare you to watch it.

 

 
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  • Ben Franklin

    Pierre Ethier on the Church of Scientology and their views towards Homosexuality. Pierre Ethier was trained in the Church of Scientology up to Class XII Auditor, and audited at FSO for 17 years. Between 1981 and 1992, Pierre Ethier was Flag top auditor every single year.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1neaJ7fxhjA

    • Susie Serve

      This has been very useful for providing answers to my earlier questions about the homophobic stance held by Scientology. Fine to take money from people for courses and lull them along until the ceiling slams down, and they can progress no further – or until “deviancy” is detected, and punishment ensues. All cloaked in hypocrisy enough to make the blatant claim of being “tolerant” with regard to sexual preferences, while the exact opposite is true. Based in part on von Krafft- Ebing’s suppositions as a psychiatrist, which, as a profession, is also viewed as deviant. Oh yes! It all makes so much sense now, doesn’t it? It makes sense like poisonously implanted horseshit being used as a source of nutrition makes sense, or rocket fuel ejected into mothers’ milk.

  • ze moo

    A lot of photos of Cat Whites funeral and a fairly good story on her life.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3267402/Daddy-s-girl-coming-home-Jim-Carrey-s-ex-girlfriend-Cathriona-White-laid-rest-father-family-friends-prepare-say-goodbyes-emotional-funeral-service.html

    The Irish Examiner appears not updated their story today.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Jeeeez, Z.. Those pics are heartbreaking.. Jim Carrey’s pain is palpable.. So glad his daughter is there with him..

      • Kestrel

        His tribute to her on Twitter was touching.

      • I had to scroll past some of them.

        It’s too bad that they repeated some of the unsubstantiated TMZ stuff.

        • ze moo

          Only in the Bunker do you hear the story of what the Survival Rundown does to a persons psych. Throw in the ‘depression cure’ that IV vitamins and the purif are supposed to fix and throw in a complete rejection of modern psychiatry and you have a recipe for disaster.

          When will a major media outlet tell that story?

          • The IV drip was a popular photo, but it’s reasonable compared to the fistfuls of vitamins, cal-mag and cooking oil of the Purif.

      • Sejanus

        Seeing those photos it is clear…
        $cientology will never get Jim, or the people in that community either.

        They show the true cost of dabbling with a cult.
        So much pain.
        So much loss.

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Totally O/T: I know that, like me, there are many Bunkerites who love to cook and I wanted to share a great recipe site with all of you (most may already know about it) that I use regularly. This site will make you grocery lists for your recipes & also lets you know where in your area your ingredients are on sale. Those are just a few of the great features. Happy Cooking and/or Baking. ๐Ÿ™‚ http://allrecipes.com/

    • salin

      I have had an account there for years. Great site!

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Me too, I love it!! ๐Ÿ™‚ I keep a link to it on the homepage of my tablet and use it in my kitchen all the time.

    • Always Amazed

      I am making grilled chicken thighs from allrecipes.com tonight.

      http://epicurious.com/ also is good.;)

      and a must go is to http://chowhound.com/.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Oooo I love good recipe sites. Thanks for the links my friend. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • I already had the World Best Lasagna bookmarked, but I added one for the top of the site.
      http://allrecipes.com/video/672/worlds-best-lasagna/?prop24=RD_VideoTipsTricks

    • Allie

      I’ve used this site numerous times. Love it!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Mrs. D and I love AllRecipes.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Love you Nora and all. I am off for the afternoon with my bewitching heterosexual life partner.

    • Sherbet

      Tattooed?

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        NO.

    • YAY!!!!! Happy Sunday to you! Love you back!

  • Pierrot

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    Wednesday 7th: LA & Philly scraped in to save the day.
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    Flag the lies, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

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  • IAmTheWalrus

    Great post tony. I wonder how come nobody every talks about Catherine bell and her difficult journey has been in $cientology ? It always amazes me how hard the church tries so hard to “fix” their LBGT members

    • I have been trying to reach out to her for a couple of years now. She has blocked me everywhere. Including email.

      • IAmTheWalrus

        Yes. She’s still deep in so I guess that’s expected. There are a bunch of people that know her story pretty deeply. Maybe they are just all quiet ?

        • I assume they are all keeping VERY quiet. They don’t want to rock the boat. Catherine still believes in the tech. Also she still believes that they can ruin her and her career. That is false. I hope she can leave someday.

          • IAmTheWalrus

            Me too. She’d be a great voice for the LGBT community. Not sure if disqus supports private message. You or tony can feel free to private message me for more details if you think it would help ….

            • She really would. She is a wonderful person. One of the best people I have ever met. It breaks my heart every day that she is trapped.

          • Allie

            Why doesn’t Co$ make Catherine take a more visible role like Prepon, Elfman,
            J. Lewis or Moss?

            • Because she isn’t as marketable.

            • Allie

              Thanks. Then she’s smart to keep herself very low-profile.

            • Ella Raitch

              I get what you’re saying Nora – but part of me is just guffawing at what SCientology estiamtes _is_ marketable…!!

      • Baby

        Nora.. First your video was outstanding Bravo to you..

        I used to design mannequins for Department stores, hair salons.. or sculptures to put your hats on at home..

        I worked with the LGBT community.. and designed some prints for them using my mannequins in special settings..Photographed and gifted the community with my art.. They are hanging in many support groups..

        I know you have a sense of humor.. so thought you would enjoy.. PS.. These are for all that would like them.. Enjoy.. Love baby (f5)

  • Hamtaro

    I do not like you boobz&nutz
    I do not like you in a house
    I do not like you with a mouse
    I do not like you in a box
    I do not like you with a fox
    I do not like you boobs&nutz
    In fact I think that you’re a putz

  • well, there’s this music video:

    The Decemberists have just released a video for their song โ€œCavalry Captain.โ€ The video is a spoof on Scientology with their make believe new-age religion known as Decemberism, with Colin Meloy taking the role of L. Ron Hubbard as the Cavalry Captain.

    According to Pitchfork, the video is directed by Daniel Kaufman and Meloy offers his followers several different benefits for followers of his new religion. He advertises โ€œjoy, pleasure, satisfaction, your familyโ€™s love and respect, an end to all those names they call you, alienation from the majority of people, unicorn gifs and 0001110020111111.โ€ The video includes several pokes at Scientology including the money making aspect that came from it offering the collection of Decemberism books for $1,000. They also show the use of what looks like a E-meter in the video, a device made famous by Scientologists to read your electrodermal activity. The video is good fun and shows the bands sense of humor as well as their musical talent. The video can be seen below.

    https://youtu.be/HgZVE_UaCsU

    • sugarplumfairy

      I lovvvvvvvvve the decemberists.. Yay! Thanks, Lush! I hadn’t heard anything about this..

      • Robert Eckert

        It appears to have been released quite recently.

        • sugarplumfairy

          And it’s great!

          I heard The Mariner’s Revenge Song 10 years ago.. I’ve been a rabid fan ever since.. I absolutely lovvvvve that they are ragging on scientology..

          • CO$CUZ

            Red Right Ankle was my first Decemberists song. That one still kills me. In a good way ๐Ÿ™‚

            • sugarplumfairy

              Love it.. and The Crane Wife.. and My Mother Was a Chinese Trapeze Artist.. Soooo many I love.. but Calvary Captain is def my new favorite..

            • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

              That’s a lovely song. If I could keep only one from their songbook, I think I’d take January Hymn.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Omg.. An e-meter..

    • Libertylover

      Wow that is great! I love the faux video tracking too. They’re probably visiting the bunker because they have the Basel opening featured.

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        and CM’s flagship headquarters

      • sugarplumfairy

        Yah.. Whoever did the video knows a LOT about scientology..

    • CO$CUZ

      I LOVE The Decemberists!! Thank you for sharing ๐Ÿ™‚

    • SuppressedPerson

      This is amazing. Got the chords already. Thanks!!!

      • SuppressedPerson

        F G Em Am. Via chordify

    • salin

      Excellent.

    • Not since Tarvu have I been filled with such glee.

      • salin

        I love Tarvu. Teletubbies meets Co$.

        • It’s so easy! I’m on volume 233 of the Amzamivaram!

    • sugarplumfairy

      I don’t normally post music, but this is 8 minutes well spent.. The ending is soooo good..

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sw61oITuts

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      A++++

  • ReallyMGM

    Nora, Thanks for your video today. Every one of of your blogs I read and your videos I watch, another layer of the toxic organization is peeled away. Reading your blogs, your love for your children is the most important thing in your life…you are a fierce momma. {{hugs}}

  • Nora’s story revived some memories. Below is one of them

    About 8 years ago, I was on staff in scientology org.

    A female co-worker and I really liked to talk to each other and work together. It felt like we are really good friends, talking about anything, we had fun. There was “chemistry” too, but we knew better, both married with kids and staff members, so as our spouses. So we tried to keep it as cool as possible. We exchanged some emails, but even those were not anything too scandalous. We never even kissed. Just a really bad romance in a scientology office.

    Finally KRs started flowing in about us spending too much time together and having “2D flows”. The shit storm of “ethics” handlings followed. Our online communication was printed, ethics interviews, O/W’s, lower conditions, amends/MEST work, separation order. All very public. I repeat, we never even kissed. I remember her and I joked about all the amount of trouble and humiliation we got into, and we didn’t even manage to have sex.

    Luckily, her husband and my wife were very understanding and we are all best friends to this day.

    Please don’t judge me too hard.

    • Miss Tia

      I think a lot of us don’t realize (or we do and we forget) that reading or watching something can bring up memories in former members. You know we don’t judge! ((hugs)) Dodo

      • Thank you, Tia.

        • Mark Foster

          Hey man, Iยดm gonna grab my apple box and leather jacket, you grab your leather jacket, and then weยดll sit on our Vespaยดs for a nice Ebony and Ivory bromance photo op. My wife is cool with it…Joking aside, thanks for sharing your story. Always appreciate your humorous and insightful posts ๐Ÿ™‚

          • So great to see you again and more often here, Mark!

    • Jesus. I am so sorry that happened. I knew of one girl who was RPFed for THOUGHTS about a man that wasn’t her husband. She didn’t even VOICE those thoughts to said main, just HAD them. BOOM RPF. Scientology is so fucking fucked up. Seriously. I am glad you all worked it out.

      • Always Amazed

        the thought police

        • ze moo

          Thought police who need to justify their ‘jobs’ by finding (or making) evil somewhere.

      • pluvo

        Thoughtcrime! The Though Police is taking care of such.

        “Orwell’s Thought Police are charged with uncovering and punishing “thoughtcrime” and thought-criminals. They use psychological methods and omnipresent surveillance (such as telescreens) to search, find, monitor, and arrest members of society who could potentially challenge authority and the status quoโ€”even if only by thoughtโ€”hence the name Thought Police.[1] They use terror and torture to achieve their ends.” – Wikipedia

      • Sounds familiar. I once told someone about liking another staff member, while being on the meter.
        I was unofficially a “playboy” ever since. Thanks again, Nora. Hugs.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Dodo, I feel asleep with a half-eaten pie in my lap once. I can’t & won’t judge anyone. ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜€

    • sugarplumfairy

      You are such a sweetie, Dodo.. If anybody judges you, imma smack ’em..

      • romanesco

        Or chop them up, sautรฉ them, sprinkle them with salt and pepper, and serve them up with a spam sandwich.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Yah, or that..

    • daisy

      I am hoping that the Please don’t judge me too hard is sarcastic, because, you my friend have done nothing for which you should be judged. You had an office flirtation, it happens all the time. If your wife and others are ok, you should be too. It is no one elses business. Thank you for sharing a little more of yourself and story. I am sorry that you went through such a humiliating experience. You are a good and decent man Dodo.Do not let anything or anyone tell you different ever again. So happy you all remained friends

      • Saint

        Scientology: if you ain’t humiliated, you need to go to Ethics.

    • TexasBroad

      It’s pretty common when people work together long hours and in particularly stress-charged environments that those attractions arise. Like you, most don’t result in any inappropriate action, rather just the mental entertainment of relishing the attraction. I’m glad your wife was understanding but really Dodo, her understanding is appropriate. The KRS, the shitstorm – those were not appropriate responses.

    • Baby

      Judge? Us? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFt

      I have so many crushes I can’t count.. and my hubby understands cause he is in love with Vanessa Williams.. ( That Whore) hahahhaa

      • daisy

        When I was young and beautiful the med students did a 6 month rotation. So 2 per rotation unless someone was also funny 4 if they had nice hair 6 if they stood up straight round it to say 15 per rotation, that’s not slutty is it. Unfortunately, I couldn’t keep working there just to supply me with crushes so I am going to look into Christian Mingle , Tinder, or I have heard a lot about this Ashley Maddison site.

        • Baby

          Girl.. You are hilarious. I think where I live my hubby is the only with teeth.

      • Robert Eckert

        If Jason Beghe elopes with Vanessa Williams, we’ll be here for you!

        • Baby

          Hahhaha.. OMG.. It will be a very disastrous day in our household Robert… EEEEEEp.. Don’t even say anything like that!

          Plus I have his balls remember..He won’t get far..ha

      • what’suppressive

        Please stay away from this guy, he’s just no good and I know you ladies love a bad boy.

        • Baby

          BAD BABY..BADDDDDDDDDD BABY

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Just because. ; ) (F5)

            • Baby

              He is da Man No’leans..

              and Jason isn’t too bad either..

    • jazzlover

      No judgment here, Dodo. But tell us the truth — was it the eye patch? ๐Ÿ™‚ I await your answer, wondering if I should add one to my arsenal ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Dunno, probably my sexy accent. Try to work on that. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • jazzlover

          New York Italian? Hey meet ya on tirty-tird street. LOL

    • what’suppressive

      Too late, I already judged you about 18 months ago, my verdict “what a cool dude”.

      • 18 months?! We don’t have couple kids together, do we?

    • Baby

      Uh you do remember I jumped out of a cake half naked don’t you?

      ” Let ye who is without sin throw the first stone..”

      OUCH.. OUUUUUUUUCH.. QUIT IT L Wrong.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Judge you? lol
      Come back to me when you’ve neck deep in a real scandal. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Lol I almost got myself there. They kept slamming me with “ethics and justice” for being a “bad boy” when I wasn’t, so I kind of became one for a brief time. No one got hurt. And I became an SP.

        • Allie

          Glad that you’re an SP and outta that shit, Dodo. It’s just mind-bending to me that they look for salacious behavior and then make ppl suffer through countless processes and shame and guilt them to confess what might be harmless and normal activities.
          Totally evil and hypocritical bastards. You can probably tell this makes me furious.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Sp? Now there’s a scandal. :p

    • Chee Chalker

      In the real world, it’s called a ‘work spouse’. I’ve had several work husbands over the years…..they would never work out as real husbands…..I liked them too much

    • Ella Raitch

      Dodo – those relationships are completely normal and nothing to be ashamed of. How dull would life be if none of us were able to experience a frisson of excitement from anyone other than our spouses.

      To paraphrase Mr Orwell – if you want a vision of the world under Scientology, imagine imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.

    • hansje brinker

      Dodo, also this is an interesting subject. I know a lot of people in the cult who have problems with their so called “2D flows”. They know they are in trouble if they show some affinity to somebody else and stopped therefore their affinity/ admiration. It is another example of an unhealthy environment in the cult where nobody is free.

    • Mareka Backus James Brousseau

      OMG!!! I had forgotten about the nefarious “2D flows”.

      I was always getting in trouble for “2D flowing” starting from when I was about 11 years old (when I joined the Sea Org) and I didn’t even have a clue what it was. I just knew there must be something horribly wrong with me that I couldn’t control these unseen forces expelling themselves from my body.

      I was so ashamed and no amount of SRA’s, yelling at me or calling me a whore was working. I still couldn’t seem to keep my “2D flows under control.

      Those damn 2D flows! They seem to have left me now that I no longer have anything to do with Scientology. Funny that?

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Unbelievably tame by the Apollo vintage 2D escapades standards.

      I recall reading the Ethics Orders on the New Year’s inevitable party wildness extracuricular activity Sea Org top staff were swapping even (all forgiven then too) in drunken revelry at Christmas’s of 1975, 1976 at the Flag Land Base. (Some of the swapping led to marriage rearrangements, and the careers of those concerned took a tiny halt before their careers in the Sea Org continued on.)

      Whole different eras these last 30 years.

  • pluvo

    Thank you Nora! For your courage to bear your soul to let others know about what you have experienced and what is going on behind the facade of all the โ€œhumanitarian” claims. Your excellent depictions go straight to the heart. Genuine and brave, that is what you are.

    What IS 1.1, is, when somebody claims to be humanitarian and is messing with peopleโ€™s minds and gets them to believe that they have all evil purposes, somebody who claims that he has peopleโ€™s best interest and freedom in mind but actually is subjugating them in an Orwellian manner โ€“ Hubbard and his brainchild โ€œScientologyโ€ with its proponents of the Church of Scientology ARE “1.1”.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    Has the Commodore returned from target 2? He’s working at Disney world I guess kind of convenient to Clearwater….

    • Sejanus

      Wowsers!

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      That’s way funny. What’s going on there?

    • anoni81b4u

      That car is amphibious,(that’s the reason for the sailor hat) I always wanted one !

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Correct. The Amphicar. You can hire it out to go around the lake.

    • Ella Raitch

      Well, hello sailor

  • Well, my internetz finally stopped crashing and I was finally able to stream your video, Nora. It’s hard to tell these kinds of stories with all the vulnerability and heart that you just did. Your heart, humor and reason are treasures. And as I said earlier today. Keep talking. You are changing lives.

  • Allie

    After a day of mega interruptions (mostly good ones), I have finally been able to watch Nora’s video.
    Nora, you are so brave and honest and inspirational. I have never met you in person and have only seen you on videos and read your words. You are very powerful and I admire your honesty, and character and your integrity.
    And the love of your family. I’m so glad you had the strength to get out of the evil insanity. You are providing a wonderful service by speaking out. I wish you the best–always. You deserve it.
    P.S. I’m a hugger too so I’m sending lots of hugs your way. And I hope to meet you in person someday.

  • Jimmy3

    Guy walks into a bar and says, “Gimme a David Miscavige Special!”
    The bartender pours a glass of scotch, puts ice in it and immediately hurls it against the back wall. Shattered glass and cheap booze fly everywhere. Bartender says, “COCKSUCKING MOTHERFUCKING 1.1 BULLSHIT!!!! It will never win an Oscar! Nothing will win any Oscar!!! I will cancel every fucking Oscar! Is your name Oscar!????”
    The guy says, “Thanks! You make it just as I remember.”
    The bartender says, “The best. Can I get you anything else, sir?”

    • sugarplumfairy

      Guy walks into a bar in Clearwater with his alligator.. Asks the bartender, “do you serve scientologists here?” Bartender answers, “sure, we serve everybody..” Guy says, “good, I’ll have a beer and my gator will have an OT3..”

      • Baby

        with a splash of Xenu

    • what’suppressive

      Guy walks into a bar and says “gimme a Shelley Miscavige”
      Bartender grabs a glass, walks over to front door and takes off “Back in 5 minutes” sign.
      “Your drink sir”

      • what’suppressive

        Another guy walks into the bar and says ” gimme a Shelley Miscavige”
        Bartender says “YOU DONT HAVE THE FUCKING RANK TO ASK FOR A SHELLEY MISCAVIGE”

        • Jimmy3

          Guy walks into the kitchen and says, “Give me the Bob Duggan Special!”
          Grant Cardone says, “Seriously, Bob, what are you still doing here? And for fuck’s sake, please put some pants on.”

          • what’suppressive

            Alternate ending: Cardone spits drink back at bartender. ” THIS TASTES NOTHING LIKE BOB DUGGAN”

            • Jimmy3

              Lol

    • PRenaud

      haa that was funny … had to read over a few times (hey I is french quรฉbรฉcois “is the best I are”!!) haha

    • Robert Eckert

      A guy walks into a bar and says “I’ll have a Bloody Mary.” Tommy Davis says “With a screaming tomato!” The bartender says, “You were not there at the beginning of this joke.”

    • Baby

      Jimmy lovin your avi.. Cleveland..hell of a game..Gary Barnidge catch of the year.. I have watched it over and over..

      • Jimmy3

        I had to go sometime during the 3rd quarter, so I didn’t even see the end until later. Love that. But I’ve been saying for weeks that Gary Barnidge is my new favorite Brown. That guy just plays hard all fucking day. Diving for catches, going all out. I love that.

        • Baby

          Did you at least google his catch with his feet..? OMG.. He is my favorite too..He plays hard. The Browns needed him.

          • Jimmy3

            I was watching live when he made that catch. It was incredible. I just didn’t see the 4th qtr.

    • Baby

      Miscavige stands at the bar to order, but doesn’t get served.. bartender couldn’t see him.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      A++++

      • Jimmy3

        I got these jokes from the best ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Toni m

    Thank you Nora, from me and all the others you are helping with your video.

    • Ann Ashley

      And thanks to you, too for staying on topic. Whew!

      • Miss Tia

        People can go off topic. Whew!

  • Baby

    I made this one day.. cause I was mad.. I’m still mad (f5)

    • Jimmy3

      Don’t be mad, Baby. We’ll find a way for you to get books.

    • daisy

      Your best work yet (that I have seen) goes right to my Baby file. True and beautiful . Oh yeah FUCK SCIENTOLOGY!

      • Baby

        Well it certainly was done with passion Daisy.. Can you feel the hate seapin out?

        • daisy

          Sharing hatred with friends and a fat beagle that likes to rage walk. It is seeping, harder when it has a face. It has messed up a lot of great people.

    • Robert Eckert

      They can run, but they can’t hide.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv2bAqk9PLw

      • Baby

        “OHHHH ya gotta have me run.. My ass looks terrific…”

        What part ? You ARE A TOTAL ASS..

  • The question is not: “Can Scientologyโ€™s celebrities handle the truth?”
    They are brainwashed. They will do as they are told.
    The question is: when will the rest of Hollywood take a stand?

    • Sejanus

      Yeah I would like to hope the day comes that Hollywood says no to certain people working as long as they are supporting this criminal enterprise.

      You would think someone like Spielberg with his feelings for human atrocities during WW2 would take a vocal stance but I guess dollars keep him appeased.

      Hollywood hypocrisy at its best.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        I would like to think it’s a little more complex then dollar signs. The Church would calm religious discrimination against one, etc.

        • And standing up to false claims is what its all about.
          Surely you don’t recommend not taking a stand.

          • MostEthicalPimp

            I’m not saying they shouldn’t take a stand but I don’t see dollar signs as the only reason they don’t.

  • Observer

    I couldn’t watch Nora’s video, because today I just couldn’t take hearing more about how Scientology treats good people like garbage. I haven’t been here because I didn’t want to see slimy trolls dead-agenting honest people and those who aren’t around to defend themselves. So here’s a pic I took of some juniper berries. (If you’re getting sick of me posting these pics let me know. It’s just so much fun having a good camera.)

    refresh

    • Jimmy3

      When you’re absent, you’re conspicuously absent.

    • Miss Tia

      moar pix!

      • Jimmy3

        Agree.

      • Observer

        ๐Ÿ™‚
        .

        • QbirdSP

          There is such happiness here Obs.

    • I love pictures you take with your new camera. More, please.

      • Observer

        Thank you. <3 Just remember, you asked for it! Haha

    • ReallyMGM

      Should be a bumper sticker: “Scientology treats good people like garbage.” (Edited)

    • Allie

      It’s great, Obs, that your new camera brings you such joy. It does to us as well!
      Great pix. Keep ’em coming.

    • sugarplumfairy

      post anything you want.. Love your pix.. and your viewpoint..

    • Robert Eckert

      Of course they brought forth juniper berries: they’re juniper bushes!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-isGzfYUZ4

    • Frodis73

      Smart thinking Obs as the trolls did come out. Keep posting the pics as they are beautiful and we can all use more of that in life.

    • MaxSpaceman

      It’s the Final Countdown.

      Ever since you mentioned that song being endlessly looping for you, Geico (US auto insurer), in the Tri-State area (Connecticut, New Jersey, New York), is blanket advertising their product with ‘Final Countdown’ by Europe as the music theme.

      Now, that dang thing is perpetually looping and can’t be turned off! Dang!!

      • Observer

        No only have I seen those ads far too many times, a friend of mine posted the video on her FB wedding page before the fact. I’m beginning to suspect a nefarious plot.

      • Jenny Daniels

        It’s on an endless loop up here in the Pacific Northwest too.
        Worst ear worm in years!

    • I will never tire of beauty.

    • Ella Raitch

      These shoops are so subtle it’s like I can’t see the anti-Scientology message in them at all ;p.

      This is like uber-shooping

    • Jenny Daniels

      Gin, anyone?

  • Alex De Valera

    Thank you so much Nora, you are doing a great job, what an example of courage and integrity. You are a beautiful being. I’m going to sent your video to my daughter to enhance her education.

  • Holy shit, Bengals won 5 games in a row now! The Universe must be drunk tonight. Sorry, Seattle.

    • Observer

      I am a Seahawks fan (I even went to their first-ever playoff game against Denver in 1984), and Mr. Observer is a Bengals fan. Fortunately we’re both half-assed about it.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        Half-assed about. Wasn’t it the NFL who said:
        If theyโ€™re going to quit let them quit fast. If they enrolled, theyโ€™re aboard, and if theyโ€™re aboard, theyโ€™re here on the same terms as the rest of usโ€”win or die in the attempt. Never let them be half-minded about being Fans.

        Or am I confused?

      • Mockingbird

        โ€œSo long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern…Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.โ€

        โ€• George Orwell, 1984

    • Jimmy3

      Yeah, the AFC North is efficient at screwing Cleveland over. Because even when we have a mediocre season, either Cinci, Pitssburgh or Baltimore is a powerhouse team. This is part of hating the NFL every single year.

      • Sandy

        you complain even when the Browns win? Come on! I was cheering like mad!

        eta: take ‘um where ya can get ‘um

        • Jimmy3

          I don’t get my hopes up. That’s all.

          • Baby

            Shit none of us would be on the Bunker if we didn’t keep our HOPE alive Jimmy..

            • Jimmy3

              I’ve never seen the teams I’ve rooted for since I was a small child win anything. Anything. And it’s not like they always suck. They’re often better team, and they get really close and fail and in some facepalmy fashion. It’s happened repeatedly. The list is legendary.

            • Sandy

              ‘m sorry. I have watched the Vikes go to the Super Bowl 4 times and lose. But – we did get the Twins.

            • At least they win at failing.

            • Robert Eckert

              I’ve simply ceased to watch pro football. The Tigers and Pistons have been good sometimes, but the Lions are perennial disappointments. My dad watched them win the National Championship Game (not called the “Super Bowl” because the AFL had not been invented, much less folded in as the AFC) in 1957, and stayed loyal all during the half-century when they only once managed to win a single postseason game and then lose in the second round (they have accomplished that a couple times more recently) and used to watch the draft obsessively every year and hope that the Lions would have a better season, but now he doesn’t have the attention span to watch sports anymore.

            • Hope, unlike L. Ron Hubbard’s sorry tucchus, springs eternal.

              The only things that spring eternal for the dwarf are his ego, self-importance and paranoia.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I don’t want to talk about it. My team is a roaring dumpster fire. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Get out the marshmallows.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          And a fire extinguisher, and those wildfire helicopters, 2000 ft of water hose, a shipping container full of fire foam….oh, and Hershey bars. ROFL!!

          Yes, our team is that bad right now. ๐Ÿ˜€

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          P.S. We have a mutual friend who would like to get in touch with you. Please let me know when you’re around so I can pass on my email to you. She would rather I didn’t post hers, and I’d rather not leave mine up for very long. ; )

          • Hey Stephanie, I’ll be more or less offline until late west coast time. Maybe tomorrow (Tuesday) morning would be good. Thanks!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I will leave my email here for you in the AM, I’m headed offline right now myself, then once I know you have it (just hit the upvote or respond and let me know you got it) I’ll delete it. Have a good night. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Leaving this here, please let me know when you got it so I can delete. Thanks so much. ๐Ÿ™‚ smithfamilyla@hotmail.com

            • Got it!

    • Mockingbird

      Remember when they were the Bungles ?

    • I’m a Niners fan. We SUCK ass this year. I am not feeling it at all. In Baseball I root for the Giants and we have won 3 of the last 5 World Series so I’m not mad. Rooting for the Cubbies now! And just to throw basketball in there GO WARRIORS!!

      • My whole family are rabid Giants/Niners fans. I didn’t get the sportsball gene, but I enjoy watching my family as they cheer, grumble, mope, swear, jump up and down and cry about “next year.”

      • jazzlover

        Why does hockey always end up the evil stepchild in the world of sports? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ๐Ÿ™

        • I never followed it till a few years ago and I caught Kings fever here in SoCal. It was pretty amazing watching them play. I like it. I LOVE all sports really. I even follow Australian Rules Football GO THE SAINTS!!

          • jazzlover

            I’m glad you caught the fever. It really is an exciting sport to watch, especially since most of the pugilism has been eliminated ๐Ÿ™‚ Americans should be more into it now since I’d guess at least 40% of the players are now American. Oh, and btw, Nora, I’ll never forgive you for your Kings beating my Rangers in the Finals a couple of years ago ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • I apologize. My Sports Mojo is strong.

            • jazzlover

              I think all your mojo is strong ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Jenny Daniels

              Please keep your mojo working…Niners are tied with the Giants 13/13….

          • Ella Raitch

            The Saints – now, that takes some dedication. Great part of the world, St Kilda.

      • Jenny Daniels

        We no longer live in Niners country, but are still huge fans! Go Niners…go Nora!

      • Glen

        My son went to the fund raiser at the Warfield yesterday with Barack Obama and Kanye West. He seemed to be most impressed by Steph Curry and Draymond Green. That Warrior season last year was perfect. And you, again, are wonderful.

      • Jimmy3

        That was a great Finals. The Golden State Warriors vs. Lebron James

  • PickAnotherID

    Once again $cientology proves it’s all about lies, more lies, and even more lies about the their lies. All to seperate people from their money. It’s past time for Xenu to escape his cage and deal with them once and for all.

  • Glen

    Thank you for your video, Nora. I am so impressed with your honesty, bravery, vulnerability, humor, kindness, down to earthedness. I think you are a wonderful example and inspiration for all open hearted folks.

    • Ann Ashley

      Thanks for swinging discussion back to the topic. Much appreciated.

      • Glen

        Of course, Ann, thanks. Has anything come out of your small claims court filing against the cult?

        • Ann Ashley

          Cos filed Motion to Dismiss and Judge granted it based on Alternative Dispute Resolution. I did my part by taking action and making it publicly known. Thanks for asking, Glen.

      • Miss Tia

        Stop it, people can talk off topic.

  • Baby

    To lighten the mood.. Here is a picture of a dragonfly that I took on my front porch screen..and tinted my screen and curtains pink..

    Dragonflies represent HOPE and REbirth.. xo baby (f5)

    • Ann Ashley

      Why?

      • Miss Tia

        Well half a point for not mentioning being off topic.

      • Baby

        why not?

    • Mareka Backus James Brousseau

      I love this <3

      • Baby

        Well Thank you Mareka/ James.. It is yours… I love to share my pieces.. xo

        • Mareka Backus James Brousseau

          xoxo

  • Mockingbird

    I think Nora Crest and Derek Bloch both show how Scientology treats gay people. They make the cruel reality of being in a hate group and being permanently labeled inhuman, subhuman and perverted, evil and degraded by your family and group quite clear. Anyone discussing this with the cult or Indies should have a handful of Hubbard’s homophobic quotes to hand – every time.

    I wish a feature length documentary film entirely focused on this issue could be produced.
    Lots of people refuse to learn about or consider issues I feel are vital to understanding Scientology like hypnosis, thought reform, rhetoric, propaganda analysis, social psychology, critical thinking, logical fallacies, narcissists, sociopaths, abusive relationships, and cultic studies. But people can understand gay people being discriminated against. Many Americans see this every day thanks to millions of racist and homophobic Americans. They have demonstrated and provided mass on the subject.

    Some of the dimwitted and duped celebrities who fall for Scientology’s false claim of being a persecuted minority religion will have to take a closer look at the cult if a little truth makes it through to them. I think a true mass movement for exposure and investigation of Scientology’s crimes may be needed before significant legal action occurs.

    Some historians consider social progress to be moved forward by mass movements, particularly relevant may be Le Bon, Eric Hoffer, Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky and journalist Chris Hedges.

    The abolitionists, suffragettes, civil rights movement, labor movement and now the fight for fifteen, black lives matter and the remnants of occupy seek to push against authority to forward human rights. Other groups have brought change, Mothers Against Drunk Driving pushed for serious penalties for people who were repeatedly getting virtually no penalties for killing innocent people while intoxicated, segregation has officially ended, despite rampant institutional racism persisting. In my opinion progress is slow and authority never surrenders anything. You must push for every inch you get. Millions have fought for women’s, minorities, religious and LGBT rights as human rights. The fight never ends and we can backslide at any time like how we have with the NDAA ( Patriot Act ) allowing indefinite detention of anyone including American citizens with no right to counsel, no charges filed, no speedy trial, no notification of family required, among other eradications of human rights.

    If the good conscience of legal and political leaders will not encourage action against the terrorist mind control cult Scientology then external pressures may. It has been said Richard Nixon was the last US president to follow liberal policies, and that he didn’t do it out of the goodness of his heart: he saw thousands of protesters outside the White House and was afraid. I am not above mass civil disobedience, many better men and women than me have used it.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    PHOTO CAPTION – “Lesson learned. A DaveAndBusters Batman Power Card is not compatible with a Scientology E-Meter. Also, #scientologists don’t like it when you take pics in their museum/church. #Scientology”

    https://instagram.com/p/8tQGgmnbVW/?tagged=scientology

  • what’suppressive

    We adopted Delilah yesterday, she’s pretty old and her legs don’t work so good no more. Poor ladies had a rough life but she’ll live out the rest of her days like a princess. She loves to swim so I’ve taken the day off to clean the pool and build her a trolley so she can get around the park with our other rescue.

    • Observer

      Pretty girl! We’ve had 6 dogs over the past 20 years, and all but one have been rescues.

      • MaxSpaceman

        3 rescue pooches in the last 19 years.

        love them the bestest (their being rescues had altered their character, making them x-tra special.)

        • aquaclara

          The absolute bestest….yup.

    • Jimmy3

      Good for you!

    • What a wonderful thing you’ve done. Rescue dogs are the best.

    • daisy

      What a wonderful upbeat story. Your new pooch is beautiful. I try to adopt old dogs with small medical problems, but cannot afford big medical problems. You restore my faith in humanity. Maybe its magical thinking but I believe the dog knows when its been rescued.

      • Ex-Christian Scientist

        I definitely believe the dog knows when it’s been rescued! ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Kestrel

      Thank you.

    • Juicer77

      Awww look at that sweetie face. So thrilled you found each other <3 Waggiest of tail wags!!

    • Sandy

      Now – this is the sort of GoFundMe that I would support! Need help for what you do?

      • what’suppressive

        Thanks for the offer Sandy, my wife runs a Animal Rescue charity, they supply food, bedding, money for vet bills to people who foster dogs and cats(other animals too) She is constantly fundraising for it but I don’t want to name it here for obvious reasons. We’re on the West Coast of Australia but I know wherever you are there’s furry friends that need help too. Thanks again Sandy.

    • aquaclara

      Oh, you are the best. And look at this so cute puppy dog smile! This makes my day. I saw a corgis on a trolley today and it was one happy dog. I know yours will be the same.

      Woofy Clara says that your new family member could use a cookie. He is happy to share some of his. Really.

  • Acherontia

    What an incredible, raw video. Thank you for posting, Nora. It must be incredibly difficult for you to record these and share them. I hope that your courage allows more people to come forward and be able to live and love as they should. And I hope LP sees this video, too.

    • Ann Ashley

      Thanks to you and others who stay on-topic. Much appreciated!

      • Jimmy3

        If everyone stayed on topic all the time, this place would be nothing but a pit of soul-sucking misery.

        • Observer

          Precisely.

        • Miss Tia

          It’s innneresting…..she posted on the bunker months clearly stating she was ‘off topic’ looking for court info…..that’s fine……so why turn into a comment cop today? o_O

          • SP Wogsy

            I believe Tony featured her story here about her court case

            • Miss Tia

              did he? i’m surprised she doesn’t have more comments then….and that she doesn’t know about posting OT….i gotta reread the court comment again…..

            • SP Wogsy

              Yeah, it was the Arizona small claims court story awhile back where she was denied a claim for her refund.

            • Miss Tia

              okay, she filed a small claims case against them in Az…..maybe she’s having a bad day today? why come take it out on us being a comment cop? (that’s a rhetorical question btw!)

            • SP Wogsy

              Yeah, i’m not sure why. I was just answering question related to the court comment that I remembered.

            • Miss Tia

              and thank you for that!!! i know you can’t answer ‘why’—that was rhetorical…..

            • SP Wogsy

              Yes, of course, You’re welcome ; )

            • Miss Tia

              i do remember that now….hard to remember when you’re drained and tired…..

          • Jimmy3

            I don’t know, but my guess is that she’s genuine, and not a troll. I think a lot of ex-Scientologists come here purely for information, and not to chat or crack jokes. Which is fine, of course. But I think a lot of the people that complain about this becoming a chat room don’t realize what this blog would be if people didn’t post humorous, off-topic bullshit. Do you just want to be sad all the time? Or can you be a human, and laugh and relate to others?

            • Miss Tia

              i don’t think she’s a troll either…….but you don’t have to be a troll to be a comment cop…..our proprietor has said he encourages OT conversations and that should be the end of it….no one else should try to control OT conversations unless someone is constantly starting thread after thread after thread with the same topic —instead of keeping something in one thread…..

              nope….we’ve been sad all week….we need some laughter or at least a smile…..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Everyone is free to leave after reading the article. That’s how I see it. Or sort by BEST, read the top few items which are most likely to BE on topic and then book it out of here before the rest of us waste your time. This argument has been going on since the Rodeo days. The amount of comments and OT discussion back then seems trivial to the traffic of info generated these days.

            • Miss Tia

              and a couple months ago, our proprietor said somewhere in the comments he highly encouraged off topic conversations……and then after that we had someone trying to police OT comments—like i think the next day…..fortunately? they thought i was new and tried to inform me about comment ‘rules’….HAHAHA!!! ๐Ÿ˜€

            • Sandy

              That’s true. At the Village Voice, all comments were on topic. But, there were not very many comments … I do remember Cap Howdy expressing unhappiness when peeps started hugging each other and saying good morning (etc) all the time. But – Tony’s blog has evolved.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Not always on topic I remember many off topic food comments between Bury and myself. And Howdy himself always referenced music and music videos.

            • Sandy

              That’s true enuff, LWH. Howdy always had his music moments. But – don’t you remember when he got so pissed about all the women “hugging”. He said something like – “This isn’t Facebook, for fucks sake!”

            • Jimmy3

              Seems like Howdy focused on the quality of the comment. It didn’t matter if it was off-topic, but it should either be funny, informative or insightful. A music video can be all of the above. What you’re listening to is often a reflection of how you’re feeling at the moment.

            • Sandy

              Ya – that was the Cappy. What he hated is people who posted junk (hugs) that added nothing to the discussion. I am not posting mean. Just sayin’

            • Jimmy3

              That (((((((HUGS))))))) bullshit was more than annoying. If it’s added to the end of a longer message, sure, okay, but some people would just post ((((((((HUGS)))))))) just to cyber hug. So of course Howdy was right in calling out that garbage.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Yes, I remember.

            • Ann Ashley

              LOL!

            • Kim O’Brien

              glad you lost your case . idiot

            • Ella Raitch

              Actually – for me, that was when the off-topic commentary started! I remember thinking tacos? wtf? Of couse, now I wouldn’t have it any other way. Stay calm and move with the times.

        • skiesareblue

          Hallelujah!

      • Miss Tia

        If you were unaware, and you obviously are; OFF topic discussions are encouraged by our proprietor. Our proprietor’s name is not Ann Assley. Remove your comment police badge and have a seat.

        • what’suppressive

          Or maybe just Fuck Off Anne

          • Miss Tia

            I was starting out cordial ๐Ÿ˜‰ Though why I dunno….i’m still irked about the ignoramus trying to be comment police a couple months ago…..

            • what’suppressive
            • Miss Tia

              that’s a good one!!! ๐Ÿ˜€ look at her disqus profile…her first comment here she clearly says she’s posting OT…..i’m sure she wasn’t chastised….why be a raging comment cop? o_O

            • SP Wogsy

              IMHO, that’s uncalled for.

            • what’suppressive

              That’s why I didn’t go there, I was conversing with my girl Misty.

            • Miss Tia

              yeah, he didn’t direct to her, though i could understand that it appeared that way….i did ETA my haiku to say the fuck you wasn’t deserved, but i am side eying comment policing…..

            • SP Wogsy

              yeah, her comments about staying on topic were a little odd ball.

            • daisy

              I am sorry that you misunderstood what I was trying to do. Since you have referenced me a in a couple posts I felt the need to address it and go back to ignoring you. I am a terrible OT er, I had been hearing several and subtle hints about going off topic. What I didn’t know at the time they were probably the panty girl, not me. I thought we could take our talk party to a less crowded venue. Nat said something about an alternate website and no one jumped down her throat. My intention was to make everybody happy.

            • Miss Tia

              I’m gonna pretend you didn’t reply to me……okay? stop trying to explain what you did….what you did was very wrong and here you were here a couple months—oh dear, see what happens when you stop ignoring me??? my ire is getting irked so i’m just gonna LAUNCH—cuz DAFUQ??? you’re sorry i misunderstood what you were trying to do??? oh fanfuckingtastic!! “sorry not sorry it’s your fault”….no, it’s YOUR FAULT…..you were here a couple months and then you took it upon yourself to post to 3 people the day you included me in your little comment police raid—-specifically AFTER you stated in a comment to someone else that you KNEW our proprietor had no problem with off topic conversations….so WHY DID YOU DO THAT ANYWAY?!?!?!??! and in your justification to someone on why you chose ME, well you thought i was ‘new’!!! so you wanted to target the ‘new’ people?? with your comment police?? and you even posted your ‘stop posting OT on the current post’ to someone who had POURED THEIR HEART OUT about a friend passing!!!! how fucking insensitive was that?!?!? (it was very insensitive since you have no clue)…..

              what you were doing was trying to assert yourself in a position of authority……should we address how you claimed you DO NOT KNOW HOW TO EMAIL???? how are you on disqus? do you need a refresher for that comment? i actually screen grabbed that one (and i don’t usually screen grab comments, i really don’t, that one though just SCREAMED to be screen grabbed)…..HOW ARE YOU ON DISQUS?? you need to verify your account WITH AN EMAIL……you claim to be computer illiterate and yet, wait, you claim to have been a RN….now unless you were a nurse with Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman, if you’d been in nursing in oh the past 20 years you would have been on the computer—more so the past 15, definitely the last 10 but the last 20, yes…..and nurses usually have more empathy or sensitivity to others too…..

              should we address your ignorant statements about depression claiming that only bipolar is a roller coasting and clinical depression isn’t??? ya think people don’t see these things?? you just comment comment comment to ingratiate yourself…..rack up the comment count…..but you don’t realize, people READ WHAT YOU SAY…….oh yeah, play the drunk act or something??? CLINICAL DEPRESSION CAN BE A ROLLER COASTER….would you like me to get a signed affidavit from a psychiatrist? i can and will!! your credentials are what?? wed md forums?

              should i continue?? i could….and i should….but YOU started this……you best fucking back track….YOU commented to ME…. i told you leave me alone…..several other people told you to not piss me off……did i specifically NAME you tonight??? nope…..had i named you, that’d be different….but i did not….obviously YOU knew who i meant, but a lot wouldn’t have……LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE…….i dunno what the fuck game you’re playing (no, i don’t think you’re osa, so don’t even go there)….just leave me the fuck alone……

              did i mention to leave me alone? i think i did…..but you don’t understand that do you?

            • Jenny Daniels

              Miss Tia, may I fix you a cup of tea and some caek?

            • Miss Tia

              that would actually be quite lovely thank you!

            • Jenny Daniels

              I’ll get out the Limoges in your honor!
              Milk and sugar or lemon?

            • Miss Tia

              just lemon please! ๐Ÿ™‚ please nothing fancy!! I’d feel like Elizabeth with Hyacinth’s Royal Doulton with the hand painted periwinkles!

            • Miss Tia

              I screen grabbed this if you do your usual ‘erase’ trick too….oh and that’s another thing—see what happens when my ire gets irked??? again and again and again and again since you joined you say you needed to read comments better, you misunderstood things, you upset some people, you apologize and say you’ll understand better—BUT YOU NEVER DO……

              this is another exhibit in that file………

            • Miss Tia

              i’m really really angry now—i make tommy davis seem like a happy camper…….so you thought they were talking about YOU so you went on a commenting police raid AGAINST OTHERS……DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THE HELL YOU ARE SAYING???? so telling OTHERS to not post OT (and to not tell anyone you told them that—wanna see that screen grab, you know i have it—?) some how worked in your mind cuz you thought the OT talk was against YOU??? and you acknowledged you knew tony said OT was fine……that didnt’ click?? nope…..you wanted to be an authority with people you thought were NEW……even though you were new yourself……and honestly how long someone is here shouldn’t matter…..you were told again and again to lurk moar….you don’t……

              your intention was to try to make yourself look good…..if you have such bad self-esteem problems that you need to try to control others, please get help…..help is out there…don’t take it out on others…..and DO NOT KEEP ME ANGRY!!!!!!!!

            • sugarplumfairy

              You don’t seem to go OT any more than the rest of us..

            • daisy

              Thank you. This is an old issue. I was fine with letting it die, but she insinuated that she was mean to someone because she was still angry over a 2 month issue. I in no way want to be a party to hurting anyone other than scientologists. Not asking to take sides just explaining the post.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Relax and enjoy the bunker.. Like we learned from MLT, in-fighting can kill a good online community.. I can’t tell you how to post and I shouldn’t.. But it really doesn’t matter what one poster thinks about what you write.. you know what you meant, and you don’t need to explain yourself ever..

            • daisy

              Thank you, good advice. I do enjoy the Bunker.

          • Miss Tia

            Fuck Off Anne Assley
            You’re not the comment police
            Shut up and sit down
            #haiku

      • Miss Tia

        You’ve posted here before….you posted about filing a small claims case against Co$…..you are obviously familiar with the bunker and commenting…..are you having a bad day and are taking it out on people posting OT? we just went thru that a couple months ago with someone trying to do that…..we’ve all had a long emotionally draining week…..if a OT convo is too long, there’s a dash next to the flag on the right, hit that and it’ll collapse the thread…..

      • Always Amazed

        Ann!! Kim Obrien is gonna be sorry she missed you!!

        ML,
        AA

        • Ann Ashley

          You are very observant! Cool comment!

  • SarahDB

    Nora, huge hugs for your bravery and honesty. Only good comes from telling your truth. ((((((hugs))))))

  • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

    This requires some comment.
    Nora is most obviously a cards-on-the-table direct and honest person.
    Total Freedom is supposed to be achieved by driving people ever downward ?
    Hubbard kept the higher levels secret so that you would add in your own fantasy.
    That belief is what causes people to proceed ahead no matter what, and the end justifies the means.
    The longer anyone stays in, the worse the being degrades. So don’t get in this CULT in the first place,
    and if in, plan your escape, and don’t let anyone tell you how bad it will be for you, because from the day
    you walk away things will get better with much assistance available from numerous people.

    It is pretty simple: if your being suppressed, how could you be the SP ?
    Just Ignore these meaningless terms Hubbard used to control others,
    including “squirrel” which was invented solely to label those taking money
    out of H.’s pocket by helping people outside the “Church”.

    Hubbard was the original SP now extended by “Believers”.

    The more direct and open videos like hers are made, than the sooner the house of cards falls.
    Don’t go down with the ship.

    You will find more direct and workable processes to resolve things quickly, newer things created and
    discovered since Dianetics. They are so fast that the money is low. That work and most started after
    LRH died, having nothing to do with Dianetics, etc.

    Look into the field of “Energy Medicine” as a hint.

    Anyway Nora, you did a great job here, and I applaud you.

  • daisy

    Nora I feel like I know you from your videos. Thank you for all you do. You have lived an important life. You are doing what you have been born to do. Thank you for getting the message out. That you do it with humor ,charm, and grace is bonus. I laughed, I cried, 2 thumbs up.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    PHOTO CAPTION – “A much better religion than #scientology”

    https://instagram.com/p/8s2KH_Dju3/?tagged=scientology

  • Some drunk football fan dude just told me I look like Uber/cab driver. lulz
    I am a Bunker driver ๐Ÿ™‚

    • jazzlover

      That’s funny. I didn’t realize Uber drivers had a “look”. LOL

    • Jimmy3

      That’s bullshit. You’re so much cuter than most Uber drivers.

      • True. Except that one guy from Cleveland.

        • daisy

          Now there was a great ass. Just sayin..

    • MaxSpaceman

      Thank Meepthorp you’re out. The world’s a safer and better place with you ‘not’ being a sciborg ๐Ÿ™‚

  • SP Wogsy

    OT cuteness F5

    • Jimmy3

      This off topic bullshit has got to stop. We agreed to only post about dogs.

      • Miss Tia

        Psst!! Don’t tell anyone I’m saying this to you….but if you could stop posting OT on current posts that’d be great….only post on topic on the current post….we should all be ONLY discussing the topic in the day’s post on the current post and NOTHING ELSE!!!! if you violate this rule that i just pulled out of thin air, then i will down vote you……

        • Observer

          At first glance I read the last part as “I will clown vote you”

          • Miss Tia

            LOL!!!! ::insert Stephen King IT clown::

      • SP Wogsy

        I have like ten more of these photos with kittens in different costumes. I’ll hold back. Too much cuteness to share.

      • Ella Raitch

        If only someone would develop a Disqus community dedicated to just off-topic bullshit

        • Jimmy3

          That would never work. It would be overrun by hilarious GIFs.

      • Miss Tia

        okay what about this? looking in my pix files…..very old pix (no flash used) but kent halloween in the year of ‘tomkat’ a couple dressed up as them—replete with suri and a couch cushion—plus a book labeled ‘scientology’…..

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        I beg to differ ๐Ÿ™‚ (haven’t had the dog memo yet… F5)

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        What, no panties?

        Lucille Austero will be bereft.

  • Juicer77

    Nora thanks for being so honest. You are amazing!

  • cheri pop (Mary k)

    Here is another great interview by Nora Crest https://youtu.be/afc_fPva0Os I had listened to it about a month ago, and it is a amazing interview enjoy!

  • Always Amazed

    O/T (Sorry Ann)- I have sequestered myself in my office until I finish our 2104 Tax return tonight. I am a non-public accountant, I know better. WTH was I thinking…pass the gun, or the whiiiiiiine!

    • Miss Tia

      please don’t pass a gun (i know you’re joking)…..pass the wine with plenty of cheese and something sweet when you’ve finished!!

  • Kay

    Hi everyone. OK I have a minute to update my Sea Org experience in Seattle. First of all, I learned NEVER to fly into a big city and try to make it downtown to a hotel two blocks from a hotel where the President of the United States is appearing at the same time to do a fundraiser. (who knew???) Also, the Presidential Motorcade goes with all sirens blazing,which I thought was a dramatic device they just used in movies…it’s not. There are more cars and motorcycles and it’s louder. It was quite dramatic and sort of interesting to see for average americans.

    OK…now to the Org. I couldn’t go exploring downtown the first day (Friday) because of the gridlock from the President, so I went by myself on Saturday. I was cruising along and saw a man about a block from me in a white shirt and navy blue pants, sea org attire. He was in his late 50’s or 60’s, grey haired, tall, and the best way I can describe him is downtrodden, poor, and discouraged. He was handing out fliers (cheap) for the Oxford test, which had printed on it “Available for a limited time.” (LOL) I didn’t say anything (like, dude…you are handing this to an evil psych who thinks this test is BS)

    Truly, I felt sorry for this guy. He looked so down. Anyway, I tried to take a picture of the org, but he was very agitated about me doing so. I took it anyway, but it wasn’t very good. I got a picture of him on my cell phone hoping to post it in case someone looking at this site has been disconnected from this guy and wants to find hm, but the photo is 4.1 mg and won’t upload to this site. Mr. Kay and I can’t figure out how to make it less bytes. If you know, tell me and I will re-post it when we can trouble-shoot.

    • Miss Tia

      resize the photo….i have an old version of photo i resize to upload here……

      i feel sorry for this guy just reading about him ๐Ÿ™

      • Kay

        I did too….he kind of broke my heart. We are not having luck re-sizing it, but then neither of us is very good at this sort of thing. I’m on a mac laptop.

        • ReallyMGM

          Usually when you email it to yourself it gives you an option to resize the photo. Try that.

          • Kay

            OK I will try it. I couldn’t get very close to him, but he is in the photo and hopefully if I can post it someone can zoom in a little more.

          • skiesareblue

            This works great. I just emailed myself a photo that was 1.9 MG, resized it to “Medium” at the top of the email. and it is now 156 KB. (Mac mail)

            • Kay

              We can’t get the email to go out through the cloud….not sure what is wrong. We are at a hotel, but have wifi. We are trouble-shooting.

            • ReallyMGM

              Glad it worked. I should have mentioned I was using iPhone to iPad or MacBook Pro

    • salin

      I appreciate your compassion for this guy. His life can’t be easy. Look forward to the pics. I also struggle with sizing down (with out knowing the technology on how to do so easily) phone pics to pics that will easily post on disqus. I will look forward to the pic regardless of the time lag. Enjoy your trip!

      • Kay

        Thanks ! I’m going to email it to myself and try again. The org was absolutely deserted…one other person besides this man was working there.

        • Miss Tia

          all else fails, email it to me, i’ll just put it up—regular size—hosted via my lj account (they’d post here smaller though, then someone could go and save them, resize, etc)……

          • Kay

            I’m having problems getting into the cloud…..dang dang dang. So I can’t email it to myself or to anyone else. (it’s routing out through imail, and for some reason it isn’t liking that. We are going to keep fiddling with it. If I can’t get it to go from here, I will take it to a Mac place and have them help me with it. I want to get this guy’s photo posted.

        • MaxSpaceman

          open the picture in any photo editor – even MS Paint – and since it’s huge, “scale” or whatever the command is to make it 1200 x 800, for example, then ‘save as’ a .JPG file. Then it’ll be 300k or whatever. It’ll fit well on the comment board and load no problemo.

          • Kay

            OK…we will try that.

    • CherryPitz

      Did you see this man in front of the org or on some other street? If so do you remember what street?

      • Kay

        He was directly across the street from an org (which I didn’t see until he handed me the Oxford test….then I looked around for it) He was directly across the street from Macy’s in downtown Seattle. (not sure what street that is) He went back into the org by the time I got out of Macy’s but I could see him through the window.

      • Kay

        We just looked it up….Macys is on 4th ave and Pine in Seattle.

        • CherryPitz

          Okay 4th and Pine. I know exactly where you’re talking about. Thanks for that info. If I find myself down there I’ll look out for this person.

          • Kay

            THANK YOU so much….he just about made me cry, truly.

            • Kay

              And….I will get the photo uploaded as soon as I can troubleshoot this. If not, I will be back in town at the end of the week and will go to a Mac place to see if they can fix the problem with my email not going into the cloud.

    • ReallyMGM

      Mari kitty cracks me up….every time. My husband let me adopt Lily so he could create his own version. So far he has failed.

      • Sandy

        My hub has adopted a stray kitty up at our cabin. He has traveled up there today so he can take him to the vet tomorrow to have him neutered. We can not bring him down here cuz of my bird. But, as a responsible person, we are getting this little kitty neutered.

        • Sandy

          I am so proud of my husband – we will find a way to get this little guy thru a MN winter.

    • CherryPitz

      I have been watching this since yesterday. Too funny.

  • Jenny Daniels

    Nora, you wonderful glorious woman, do your parents or anyone out there recall the giant flap at Delphi in the ’70s when Mary Moon (Pearson) and Reggie Cota got “outed” quite publicly for their “illicit” “out 2D” relationship?
    I was out of the chult by then, but Mary and I had been friends in Davis and I saw her at her parents’ home shortly after this happened. As I recall, she had not only donated her inheritance, but also her Porsche before she was outed and left staff and what I assumed was the chult although, as I recall, somehow Reggie was exempted.
    It’s a nightmare not to be able to be yourself, whoever that is!
    Nora, I not only love and admire you, but your wonderful husband, and glorious kids too!
    It’s an honor and privilege to know you!

  • skiesareblue

    Have you all seen the Rufus Tower? My favorite cat video of all time.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI9W_VdV1l0

    • Always Amazed

      so cool!

      • skiesareblue

        I’ve watched it probably a dozen times. ๐Ÿ™‚ I just love this guy who loves his cat.

        • EmmaDaoust

          I love the little “prrk?” sound he makes. It’s so quiet but so demanding. Just like a real cat.

    • Evey Hammond

      That was great! I’d like to share one of mine: https://youtu.be/4rb8aOzy9t4

    • EmmaDaoust

      Oh yes! love this guy! *jumps up and down*

  • skiesareblue

    Click the heart. It’s at 190.

    • aquaclara

      194 now. There is no way this story will have fewer than 200 hearts and hugs from the Bunker. For Keith and Derek and Nora and Sunny and Mike R whose stories and recollections remind us of some of the worst behavior of this damn cult. And for EVERY SINGlE brave ex who has spoken out on Scientology’s wide range of criminal and inhuman behavior. Hugs and love to you all.

      • skiesareblue

        ^^^^^^ Brava!

    • salin

      Now at199. I can’t add anything more than “what aqua parasail.”!

      • aquaclara

        200 hearts! Ding! Ding! Ding!

  • Ella Raitch

    Readers on twitter could do worse than retweeting all of Nora’s tweets about this video ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • flyonthewall

    Scientology – on the list

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOj4f7AVJHw

    • Miss Tia

      L7!!!! I haven’t heard them in ages!!

      • flyonthewall

        hardcore ladies are hardcore

        • Miss Tia

          now i wanna go find some kittie…..and fucking great…..raccoons are fighting out in the trees….out to try to take pix with the flash……

          https://youtu.be/1jGUM7ca4ZQ

          • flyonthewall

            don’t know these guys, fucking great

          • flyonthewall
            • Miss Tia

              ‘nite fly!! i think i have all their stuff! ๐Ÿ™‚

          • skiesareblue

            Raccoons in the trees? The first time I heard that, I was at a teacher’s retreat, and I thought something had been murdered and died. I was depressed over it all night, and only at breakfast did someone explain the facts of “raccoon life” to me. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Miss Tia

              i went out on the back porch and they were breaking it up as the neighbor’s dogs came out and started barking….i heard them scurry further up the tree…..obviously my dogs aren’t going out back tonight, but will go out to the dead end!

              here’s a video took last year….now i put in photos of the raccoons, as i was recording it from my window up here and couldn’t see it (the photos where from when i went out and stood on the back porch to take some pix with flash)….this night last year they went at it for almost AN HOUR….it sounded this bad the whole time! https://youtu.be/Tjhq5norIwM

            • skiesareblue

              Yup. That’s the sound. Frightening. Now that I know what it is, it doesn’t bother me as much.

            • Miss Tia

              It always bothers me—probably cuz it usually happens about 10-15 feet from this window (on the 2nd floor)!!! it’s just so LOUD and sounds so HORRIBLE!!

  • cheri pop (Mary k)

    Omg. This is funny… it’s a old video but is funny.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=334&v=0FrQG1aDIIs I found it by reading the comments section of a site that was talking about Laura Prepon and her strange interview in celebrity magazine….

    • cheri pop (Mary k)

      Sorry about the language in the title…

      • Miss Tia

        i can’t imagine anyone being offended! ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Baby

          Us? offended..bawwwwwwwwwhahaaha

    • scottmercer

      Good script, decent animation, funny voice work. It’s no Looney Tunes, but for YouTube it’s pretty great.

  • Observer

    Good night, Bunker family.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Ql6-ZCwlE

    • Miss Tia

      night observer! good tune!!

    • EmmaDaoust

      Good night, Observer!

  • EmmaDaoust

    OT: Just saw The Martian. Fantastic. Love Matt Damon. And Ridley Scott.

    • skiesareblue

      Is that you at 201?

      • EmmaDaoust

        Is someone flashing the heart light? Not me. I hearted at 10 this morning. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • skiesareblue

          Someone else is doing it. I won’t flash the heart because it upsets some people. I have enough troubles. lol

      • Ex-Christian Scientist

        I’m 204! ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Robert Eckert

      Retrieving Matt Damon always costs the taxpayers a fortune.

  • worstcultever

    I had heretofore neglected to read Rinder’s post on this subject which Tony linked – went there and read it before watching Nora’s vid. Anyway, that also blew me away. Mike just totally let Hubbard’s words speak for themselves, but the assemblage was devastating. I’m going over there again now to take in the comments, which I am sure are rich (in the non-Cardone sense of the word). Anyway, what a day. Thanks again Nora and commenters. And Tony!

    • skiesareblue
    • jane456

      I read most of that as well, as much as I could stomach. That old man is off the creep meter chart. How about the part about getting rid of lepers and beggars, because that goes hand in hand. Like it is a given that everyone wants to get rid of lepers and here is this great way to do it. He was a real problem solver that old man was. And basically, saying that 1.1 should be disposed of, if they can’t be audited or “converted” to be acceptable. That is gay conversion. You want to succeed in this religion you have to be converted from gay to whatever tiny fists decides is normal. And where exactly does schtupping your assistant, while keeping your wife prisoner in a remote location fall on the tone scale?

      Can’t wait for Ms. Remini’s book. All you trolls, get your rest. It’s going to be rough ride for your little boss this coming month.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        LRH is “off the creep meter chart” is right. It is torture to watch him and the bizarre way he’s forced to speak because of his rotting teeth and phobia of dentists. He was a narcissistic weirdo with hatred toward large swaths of the population in “orders of magnitude” as they say. Wouldn’t matter except for the human wreckage in his wake. Wake up Tom, John, Kirstie, Greta, Jenna, Beck, and all you other hangers on and wanna be’s. Your unwillingness to “look” is shameful. What happened to your “confront”? You are culpable for the harm and abuse being done to so many. The jig is up and the emperor has no clothes. Aren’t you embarrassed and ashamed?

  • Baby

    Make sure you guys comment on Nora’s video..xo

    • Jimmy3

      My favorite kind of nut is the cashew. Cashews are rich in protein, beneficial fatty oils and deliciousness. My favorite thing to do with cashew nuts is to eat them. Sometimes I do lend them to my dog, but he never gives them back. He just eats them. Straight up. He enjoys protein, beneficial fatty oils and deliciousness, too. If this is too off-topic, just say something, and I will probably ignore you and keep typing.

      • EmmaDaoust

        Cashew later, Jimmy3

        • Jimmy3

          Alright alright almond.

          • Ex-Christian Scientist

            I love almonds… and so do the racoons that visit… they eat them right out of my hands… Almonds… Yum… ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Baby

          โ€œgesundheitโ€

      • Baby

        Great comment..I also love Cashews.. Cashew pudding, cashew bread, cashew ice cream, cashew stew, cashew pie, cashew……….

    • Nat-leficent
      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        She kind of looks like that when she’s had too many Mike’s Hard Lemonades.

        • Nat-leficent

          I love those.

        • Baby

          I resemble that remark..

      • Baby

        GIMMMMMMMMMMMMIE DAT BABY! That’s CRACK to me.. Thanks Nat.. awwwww I love her..

        She’s sweet like me.

        • Nat-leficent

          ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Extremely OT (but fun) link: https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/archive/scigen/

    Generate a technical white paper with all the intellectual authority of a certain three-lettered “genius”.

  • Baby

    JIMMMMMMMMMY QUIT clickin the heart..I see you!

    • Jimmy3

      That’s not me. And, please, keep your comments within the confines of the approved topic. Thank you.

      • What’s the topic?

        • Jimmy3

          Nuts

          • Brazilian or hazel?

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Deez Nutz?

            Please… no politics.

            • Do we know anyone who specializes in burying those?

            • Baby

              hahahhaha.. Do We ever!

        • Baby

          cashews

          • I always go ewwww when cash is discussed

            • Baby

              Really…? It makes me get married.

            • Well … not ewwww in a disgusted way … maybe I should have tuped ooooooooooo

            • Baby

              hahahhaa

            • Miss Tia

              i agree!!

      • Baby

        f5

    • I think he’s sending a message

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m0TfR9mgOiU

      • EmmaDaoust

        And I’ll state, for the record once again, makes me cry every time. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Baby

          Sniff.. passes kleenex to Emmie

          • EmmaDaoust

            Waaaaah thanks Baby. And Matt Damon was similarly stuck alone on a strange planet in The Martian. sobbb

            • How is the movie? Listening to the book right now and the language is decidedly adult compared to some of my other recent listenings.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              It’s very well done. Very close to the book.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Sorry, which movie – The Martian? It is fantastic. Well worth seeing in theatre. Last film I saw was Going Clear, as it happens.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Yeah, but he had to “science the shit out of it”. All ET needed was a speak and spell, old record player and some tin foil.

            • Don’t forget Reese’s Pieces!

            • Baby

              They wanted to use M&Ms..but company said NO WAY HOSE.. so went with Reeses’s and it made them a fortune.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I had actually. Is this the only candy to movie tie-in? It was created just for the film, right?

            • Not entirely sure I’m following the first part … depends on your views of Willy Wonka candies …

              Re: this movie the almighty wiki says:

              In 1982, the Mars candy bar company rejected an offer for the inclusion of its key product M&M’s in the new Steven Spielberg movie, ET. Hershey, on the other hand, took the chance, and with the blockbuster success its product’s sales dramatically increased, perhaps as much as 300%.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              So Reeses were already a product? OK. I always thought they were made specifically for the film.

            • The candy was introduced in 1978 and introduced to Canada in 1980. The then relatively new product became very popular with the 1982 release of E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial, in which the candy is featured.

              Reese’s Pieces are a product extension of the Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups line; this new product was designed to capitalize on the success of the chocolate-covered peanut butter cups.

            • Baby

              Duh?

            • Somewhat off topic (and not looking for spoilers), any success in the diving business?

            • Baby

              Created in 1978 and became popular when the movie was released in 1982.

              Was made BEFORE the move.. Google is your friend Buddy

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Why waste time googling when I can suck someone else here into doing it for me?

            • Baby

              This is very true.. and I fall for it everytime!

            • You can try this far easier site … http://lmgtfy.com

            • EmmaDaoust

              The beginning of product placement in film and tv.

            • Baby

              Go to bed..you have to work tomorrow.. oh..wait Holiday..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Go check a book out of the library….oh, wait you CAN”T. Holiday? What holiday? Am I missing something?

            • Baby

              Columbus day..smart ass..ha

            • EmmaDaoust

              Canada Thanksgiving Day

            • Groundhogs

            • Baby

              and Bruce Willis died in Armageddon..and hisssss daughter’s Love lived.. OMG.. Just stop

            • I’m trying to remember the last movie I cried at. I don’t remember but it was pure fountain works.

              The one I know I never cried over was Tears of Endearment. I thought everyone got what they deserved in that one.

            • Baby

              Mon Elle.. I sobbed during Tears of Endearment.. You heartless Biotch..ha

            • Absolutely heartless. I keep it in a jar in a locked case.

            • Baby

              With your Chasity belt?

            • Lost that thing years ago. with a face for radio I had no suitors to make one practical.

            • EmmaDaoust

              oh stop it.

            • daisy

              ,,,

            • EmmaDaoust

              Debra Winger is apparently a pain to work with, so –

            • Did you watch The Fountain?

            • Jimmy3

              SPOILER ALERT!!! Dammit, Baby! Give a spoiler alert!
              I was just gonna watch that and now I know what happens. :/

              I’m gonna eat some animal crackers and blast some Aerosmith

            • EmmaDaoust

              JUMP

            • Baby

              Well, don’t read the Bible.. The hero dies in the end.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Bwahaha! Good one. ((((HUGS))))

            • Jimmy3

              You two are ruining my entire week. But not really, I love you. Here is a great song I really like:
              http://youtu.be/df1E4NJu7ng

            • Baby

              In honor of Mr. Buffet..Here is a fish house on the island where the crabbers and fisherman come in after a long day.. I took a picture and digitally inserted my art.. and added words..f5

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              More my style for late night.

              https://youtu.be/hH_HTtWU7SE

            • Baby

              OOOOOOh pretty..love it.. I love Steam Punk ..I am way ahead of my time..

            • Baby

              Thanks Jimmy we love you too.. LWrong tell Jimmy that you love him. NOW..

            • Jimmy3

              Yes! Tell me you love me right now and then make a smoochy face.

            • Baby

              You have to get up pretty early in the mornin to top me!

              ( Wait..that didn’t sound right..)

            • EmmaDaoust

              sssnort!

            • EmmaDaoust

              ROFL

            • Well … he dies, comes back, goes home, becomes a king, trashes the enemy once and for all before instituting global peace, and resurrecting the dead.

            • Baby

              Here is what I remember from Sunday School.. Noah’s arc.. Good Samaritan..Oh Adam and Eve..( cause they were Naked)

              and Moses with the ” Way to Happiness ” booklets.

            • Uh oh … you missed some fine nice parts …but those “Way to Happiness” books likely threw you down the wrong path ,….

            • Robert Eckert

              Passes for on-topic by this hour:

            • Baby

              hahaha.. Just as I remembered.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Sssshhhh. Listen. Do you hear that? I sounds like air leaking out of something.

            • EmmaDaoust

              Somebody’s spacesuit?

            • Sorry … allergic to cashews.

              Don’t inhale too deeply and all will be Ok.

              We call them the vapors.

            • jazzlover

              In Liv’s case, might be more appropriate to blast Todd Rundgren.

            • If it’s any help, Bruce Willis is dead in TheSixth Sense and Haley Joel Osment is killed at the end of Pay It Forward.

              Good thing is that Morgan Freeman survives Deep Impact before becoming God.

        • It makes me feel simultaneously old and young …..

      • MaxSpaceman

        I’ve Just Gotta Get A Message To You

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSTvEhp64Lo

  • HammerFall – My Sharona ๐Ÿ˜‰

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-SFWc0dGfE

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Oooooh, better than the original! Bigger drums, bigger guitars, more rock.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    Nora. Bad ass. Gay. Hubbard. Douche. That will hold us over for a while on topic, right? Good.

    • Ella Raitch

      It’s like a dam bursting….a week of tragedy and even though today’s topic is pretty heinous, maybe we feel a bit better about cutting loose on Nora!

      • what’suppressive

        Have you been able to contact the Collins st Center? I’m getting no love.

        • Ella Raitch

          Haven’t tried yet….but it’s on my list of things to do.

        • Ella Raitch

          Looks like it’s City of S Perth so maybe make the enquiry there. I was going to get onto that tomorrow

        • Ella Raitch

          OK – got onto the local Seven colleague of Bryan Seymour who is helping him organise the Perth end. I have her mobile and will text her so she has my details, and she will send on relevant details e.g. tickets etc

          Email me at elaraitch at gmail dot com so we can communicate off list.

          • what’suppressive

            Cool and the gang. I’ll hit you up in the next few.

            • Ella Raitch

              Actually having trouble accessing that account. Try n3rdp0sse at gmail instead (that’s p zero sse)

            • Ella Raitch

              Am now in touch with Bryan Seymour and he is after suggestions about how to promote the event – get in touch show you can share your knowledge too!

            • what’sup

              I just checked out the Perth branch of Australian skeptics, it’s seems not much happening on that front since 09 but the Perth atheists seem a lively bunch. I’ll have a think and email you tonight about 8ish.

            • Ella Raitch

              Yep – I found some of those links. We’ll talk by email. Either of the addresses I sent you should work now, cheers

            • what’sup

              I’ve emailed you.

  • Lurkness

    Had the opportunity to see Winery Dogs last night. Thought it might be a band up Dodo’s alley. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnMBix9Zq5o

    • jazzlover

      You do realize Sheehan’s a Scientologist, right?

      • Lurkness

        Nope, but at least I didn’t pay for the ticket.

        • jazzlover

          LOL. Were you blinded by Portnoy’s full body tattoos and plethora of metals? ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Lurkness

            Had I known, I would have brought Miss Lovely with me.

            • This is awesome. Thank you, Lurkness!
              Sheehan will come around eventually.

            • MaxSpaceman

              bass player is fantastic.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I wonder if there is a course for that.

            • MaxSpaceman

              who’s playin bass? ETA: It’s Billy the $cientologist?

              fuuuuuuck. But he’s sensational is all.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Billy Sheehan. Most well known for playing with Mr. Big.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              No doubt. They are a tight group. Billy’s great. Love the guitar playing with no pick too.

            • MaxSpaceman

              yes- the dude is stellar

            • Billy is my fave scientologist.

            • jazzlover

              LOL

            • jazzlover

              Now that would have been interesting. “Hey, Billy, can I get a shot of you holding this book?”

  • MaxSpaceman

    Pushin pretty hard all the talk ’bout stayin on topic

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNZwCNSSWlI

    [from Casey Kasem’s “Shebang”]

  • Baby

    Night everyone..love you.. Be safe in here.. smooches.. baby

  • Good night all. Safe dreams.

  • romanesco

    Just a little more Linda, if I may…
    https://youtu.be/sBmK6OLPQh8

    • Jimmy3

      +1
      This is good

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I didn’t know Marshall Mathers could play bass.

        • jazzlover

          roflmao

  • SP Wogsy

    Nora, you speak for so many who don’t have a voice. This video is so powerful in so many ways. Thank you for using your voice to speak out. Much <3. You're husband is AMAZING!!!!!! XoXo

  • Ex-Christian Scientist

    O/T But I Love this song, and I’m watching it on TV now… ;D <3

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLaXzwzvCBU&index=8&list=PLnX8VVQHjJX85_Xx0cn5Vahn6kDWXZYlg

    • MaxSpaceman

      maybe it’s an ‘ex-‘ thing. Am a born-in Christian Scientist now ex-. Love that song too.

      • Ex-Christian Scientist

        Love that! I’m a long-time ex, as well, 3rd gen! <3

      • Ex-Christian Scientist

        Maybe it’s too private of a question, but did you happen to attend Berkeley Hall or Principia?

        • MaxSpaceman

          No

          • Ex-Christian Scientist

            36th Church of Christ Scientist, somewhere in America, for me! ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Goodnight Bunker! Thank you all SOOOOOO much for watching and for all the love. I love you all!!! XOXOXO

    • what’suppressive

      No Nora, Thankyou.

    • TexasBroad

      Goodnight Nora. I hope you got a sense of how powerfully your video was felt here. Respect. And sweet dreams.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Good night to you. New day tomorrow.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Love you, Nora!

    • vicariousthrill

      Goodnight sweet kid. You are a god-given gift.

    • Mockingbird

      You are a terrific messenger of the true price Scientology requires- our very humanity to satisfy Hubbard’s, and now Miscavige’s, vanity.

      I hope your recovery goes well and you somehow, someday receive a measure of justice and relief from the abuse the cult unjustly inflicted upon you. You bring a very real and human face to the dehumanized, abstract concepts Hubbard lied about. The reality smashes his lies. You are nothing like what he described or could understand, you have humility, empathy and compassion while he had none of those qualities.

      I encourage you to never let his warped and demented views influence yours, and to understand unfortunately he has influenced thousands of Scientologists into following delusions as prisoners of belief. I hope those beliefs no longer have power over you in your mind or from others. You deserve far better.

  • Hmph. Typical for a shady operation like an ex-GO private investigator operation!

    According to California, David Morse and Associates was “Merged Out”, which means that at some point, it was merged into another company. Most likely DMA Claims, Inc., but there’s also a DMA Claims Management, Inc. of Illinois registered in California. Since they say that they do business in 40 states, this should be fun. (I expect that Florida will be informative about the directors.)

    • Yes. A few years back David Morse was essentially forced out of he company that he founded. Duke, Henning and the other Execs “Bought him out” and took over. It was all very fast and strange. Soon all the non Scientologist employees were gone too. They became quite the tight ship.

      • If I was looking for a second string on Miscavige’s dirty tricks bow, that’s where I’d look. Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun seem sure that OSA didn’t go past certain limits, and yet some things did seem to happen.

  • TexasBroad

    It’s always peaceful in the Bunker ’bout this time of night. I finally got through all the comments after a busy day and enjoyed the sweet responses to Nora’s video and the interesting stories shared in response to it, beautiful photos and artwork, funny exchanges that just cracked me up, a little bit of tension here and there, and a few posters of questionable intentions (to put it nicely).
    Another day in the Bunker.
    Goodnight all. Sweet dreams and have a happy tomorrow.
    Shhhhh….. F5

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Posters of Questionable Intentions.

      Sounds like a David Mamet play.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Thankyou Nora for your open and honest video.
    I will never understand why it matters so much to others, to the point of killing someone simply because they are gay, what sexual preference a person has. It is a non issue to me. It is a part of someone, it does not define or make them who they are.

    • Franklin Adams

      Because people always fear what they don’t understand.

      I have a lot of gay/lesbianfamily members, which you wouldn’t figure because of our very long association with the military (leading back to the 1760’s with the British Colonial Army, 1775 with the Continental Army, and 1794 with the US Navy) and with thermonuclear weapons, continuity of government and the Intelligence community, and they spent their professional careers under the shadow of DADT, or worse.

      Personally, I left the Army the year that they changed AR 635-200, Chapter 15 – “Homosexual Conduct” to require the signature of an O-7 (Brigadier General or Rear Admiral in other words) to initiate a Separation action, which basically led to them not doing it until the repeal happened. No Colonel or Lieutenant Colonel in the Army was going to risk his or her posterior by bringing bullshit like that to a General who is likely going to be sitting on their promotion board. Even then, I never saw what the issue was. A gay Soldier can and will do their job just as well as a straight one, as long as they’re trained and led well, like anyone else.

      Its not a disease, there’s nothing wrong with someone with a different sexual preference or none at all, and acting like it is, like the scilons apparently still do, is backward as hell. Then again, this is a policy written by the same man who had some really stupid ideas about Clams and Piltdown Man so I’m not entirely surprised.

  • romanesco

    Columbus Day. Yeah, right. If it hadn’t been for that retard, the natives here would have been able to live, and I would be living in Italy.

    • Miss Tia

      this my columbus day meme i always tweet and post on FB….. (F5)

    • anoni81b4u

      I am sure some other European explorer would have found it anyways, even if Columbus had never been born. Also, he could never have know that the diseases on his ships could kill millions and his explorations lead to genocide. But on a happy note .. Italy is still there and I am sure they would love to have you back ๐Ÿ™‚
      nothing like a little good morning burn romanesco ๐Ÿ™‚
      good morning

  • Lady Squash

    They talk a lot about sex. That was weird to me. But even weirder, I believed that somehow it was for my own good. I see it now as some kind of strange obsession of Hubbard’s. And I feel a bit sorry for the person I used to be, who couldn’t see that.

  • Pierrot

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  • Intergalactic Walrus

    In light of today’s topic on how the CO$ is preoccupied with members sex lives, its funny that someone tonight on Instagram https://instagram.com/p/8uaRbCJmPI/?tagged=churchofscientology posted a video showing that the Dianetics & Scientology Life Improvement Center in St. Pete is right next door to the Lust Gentlemans’ Club. http://www.lustdowntown.com/
    I double checked Google Maps and it’s true! HA!
    (refresh)
    “Wonder which place has the most satisfied customers?” someone commented.

  • ScaramouchenFandango

    Just came across this article:
    The Church Of Scientology Is Allegedly Making Its Own Documentary About Going Clear’s Director http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Church-Scientology-Allegedly-Making-Its-Own-Documentary-About-Going-Clear-Director-87597.html

  • Lighthouse
  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Bravo Nora for telling your own honest story. Thank you so very very
    much! The dangerous Scientology really ruins people. So happy you got
    away from it and now warning others. Much love to you!
    Heads up Laura Prepon!

  • Wow, Nora, quite a story. I really hope John Travolta watches this.

  • Xique

    Nora, your telling of this story of your experience is so moving, and so naturally done. You’re a kind and loving woman and your children and husband are lucky to have you in their lives. I’ve such admiration for you. You have a great sense of humor to boot. I love what you are doing. Incredible !

  • ComeToPresentTime

    Well all you have to do is look at L. Ron’s Tone Scale for proof of homophobia. I don’t understand how so many people who are in can honestly explain away the whole 1.1 thing. L. Ron said himself that his carefully chosen words were not up for reinterpretation, and that his words were the only thing that mattered.

  • Jonathan Cummings

    Nora Crest, your video broke my heart. I grew up in the Baptist community where being gay is not exactly accepted. Luckily for me my parents did not listen when they were told their son (me) needed reparative therapy to stamp the gay out. I am glad you have support and hope you find true happiness. It does get better!

  • ThePanopticon

    Nora, you’re a brave one. Like many lesbians, I had my share of trauma growing up, getting kick out of schools for it and family difficulties. I wish I had seen a video like yours back then, or had known someone like you who could have helped. Your video will help, know that. I thank you for putting out such a personal story. Your husband is a very cool guy too, I wish you both the greatest happiness.

  • Gary Wark

    You go. Stand strong you have my love from New Zealand. I have always asked myself if I put a baseball bat over say a scn’s head I should be let free as they caused me to do it they pulled it in. I will try that one day and see what happen or if Im still in good standing you know you cant call the call on a fellow scn thats a high crime. ummm, But I do love the “you pulled it in” as it takes all blame of the group

  • richelieu jr

    “Sunny Kissed a Girl and the SeaOrg Didn’t Like It”

  • richelieu jr

    Nora, (as I am sure you know) You are more than ‘OK’ or ‘Good’.

    Bravo.

  • Joe

    Nora, Nora, Nora. You are my spirit animal, girl. Listening to your story makes me so sad/happy/angry. I am so sad that you had to go through those hard times. I really wish someone in that organization had the heart and the backbone to tell you that there is nothing wrong with you and that you’re an awesome person. It makes me angry because I want to collectively gut-punch all those idiot Scientologists who made you feel less than awesome and who put you through hell. It makes me happy because I’m glad you’ve finally come to a place of self-acceptance and that you are with someone who treats with you with respect and compassion. Keep doing what you’re doing. You’re touching more lives than Scientology ever could, even in a billion years.

  • greybiscuit

    Oh Nora. Man oh man. I’ve been out of Scn. 21 years now and still having major revelations about the prisons I created for myself. You radiate warmth and kindness and truth. No one can see this video and not be moved. I remember as a staff member for 15 years in SF several similar stories. One PC we had was openly gay, flamboyantly gay, he and his boyfriend were both public and the deal was, they couldn’t engage in sex AT ALL but just during processing…or training. The reg would call them “Faggots” and “Perverts” but oh, she took their money. That was the 80s and they both passed of AIDS. The whole time the org took their money, pretended to be their friends but utterly rejected everything else about them. We had a sweet lovely older man. A trucker. He would go away and save money for 2 to 3 YEARS just to be able to come in and get a few intensives of auditing. He had had shock therapy in the 50’s and for some reason had a special dispensation from LRH to get processing…but only objectives. He spent every dime of his meager earnings…for nothing. Yet the org continued to take his money. I have SO many stories. SO many things I witnessed YET….it took 30 years to figure out 90% of Scn is bullshit and the rest is stolen from other people or religions. Such a powerful and long lasting, twisted thing is this practice. As a former student of Eastern philosophies, I like to think I will have more lives and I like to think that this has to be THE most powerful lesson about not falling for enslavement. I live in hope ๐Ÿ™‚ If you ever want a cup of tea and a cat and an ocean view near SF for an afternoon, you come on over girlfriend.

  • TsPad

    This is 100% accurate. I liken the kind of treatment I incurred for being gay to that of evangelical Christians. Hundreds of hours of ethics & auditing to handle my “valiance,” & “1.1-ness.” It’s weird, though, because I was only a teenager when it started–I was’t able to see past it til recently. Thanks for posting.