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Jon Atack: The mystery of mysteries that all Scientologists chase — and can never find

Jon_AtackJon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and for more than a year on Saturdays he helped us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet. He was kind enough to send us a new post.

Jon, we’re really happy to learn that we’re still going to get an occasional piece from you. Even though the Toronto conference was supposed to be your swan song, you only seem re-energized. And what a treat for us to meet you, finally, at that conference, and then just a few weeks later in London! And still, after all that, you still want to help us out here at the Bunker. Well, maestro, take it away…

JON: I had been a Scientologist for two years when I read the transcript of a Hubbard lecture in Advance! magazine, issue 44, in 1977. I wondered if Hubbard was trying to tell me something about Scientology. Here is an extract, in Hubbard’s own words:

Lord Dunsany tells one of the most wonderful stories about a monastery which was scheduled to fall one day. This monastery was up on a high hill. A rumor and a legend had gone forward for many centuries that on a certain day the monastery would fall. Finally, the day came and one of the peasants in the valley walked up to the monastery and walked in the front gate.

He was quite astonished to find no guards on duty because the guards were back in a courtyard weeping because that day the monastery was scheduled to fall … And he walked on into an inner sanctum sanctorum, sanctorum plus and finally came down unguarded corridors to the largest central room of the entire place, where the mystery of all mysteries of all mysteries was kept.

And there at the far side of the room it was obvious that the mystery was behind these huge black curtains. He walked over and he looked at the curtains and thought, “Well, it’s a very adventurous thing to do,” but the monastery was scheduled to fall that day, so he ventured to do it. He reached up and pulled the curtains down, and there was nothing there. And the monastery fell that day.

For Scientologists, the great mystery behind the curtains is “full operating thetan.” At this stage, which Hubbard first promised in 1952 before he had even come up with the expression “Operating Thetan,” the individual will be able to “exteriorize” from the human body and travel around the universe, at will, performing supernatural acts along the way to the amazement of all concerned.

That state was codified under the title “Operating Thetan Section VIII.” In the 1970 printing of the book Scientology 0-8, OT VIII is defined as “ABILITY TO BE AT CAUSE KNOWINGLY AND AT WILL OVER THOUGHT, LIFE, FORM, MATTER, ENERGY, SPACE AND TIME, SUBJECTIVE AND OBJECTIVE.” Superpowers, indeed! If a planet annoys you, just blow it up. Heck, if a galaxy annoys you, just blow it up!

The trial run for OT VIII failed. The first OT VIII, Otto Roos – who was also one of only five Class XII auditors trained personally by Hubbard – was ejected from Scientology in the early 70s for finding hundreds of discreditable “rock slams” – indicating “evil purposes” – in Hubbard’s auditing folders. I have been on good terms with Otto for several decades, but, much as I like him, I have yet to see anything supernatural in his behavior.

David Miscavige was aware of the difficulty, when he took over Scientology from Hubbard’s appointed heir, Pat Broeker. His first action was to remove all of Broeker’s filing cabinets. As the redoubtable proprietor of the Bunker found, Miscavige even hired PIs to watch Broeker for 24 years (and, no, I didn’t say “hours,” I said “years”) at a tax-deductible cost of over $10 million.

Miscavige likely knew well enough that the OT VIII he was offering would not achieve anything beyond the usual hypnotic euphoria. He certainly didn’t waste any of his own time auditing the level.

Miscavige also knew that when the “List” or “L” processes were released, in the early 70s, Hubbard had claimed they were extracted from OT XXIII (that’s “23” to thee and me). So, there were at least 15 levels above OT VIII. Miscavige spent over ten million dollars of parishioners’ money pursuing Broeker for the missing levels, because without them, Scientology is nothing but an empty room.

Jesse Prince confirmed this hypothesis at our Toronto seminar. He was privy to the release of OT VIII, and the catastrophe occasioned by the notorious introductory bulletin. Ray Mithoff patched together various Hubbard ‘advices’ to reveal the great secret: that Hubbard considered himself the Antichrist and Lucifer, and accused the founder of the Christian religion of being nothing more than a ‘lover of young boys and men’ (so much for Scientology’s compatibility with other religions). Jesse explained at Toronto that on OT VIII you have to ‘run out’ all of your earlier auditing. Sadly, you do not receive a refund, or compensation for the wasted time and broken promises.

OT VIII languished for almost twenty years. Most significantly, it waited until after Hubbard was dead and gone and beyond the reproaches of the thousands who had believed that behind the OT VIII curtain was the greatest mystery of life itself.

In fact, behind the curtain was a small man, standing on a stool with a megaphone through which he bellowed at Dorothy, the Tin Woodman, the Lion and the Scarecrow. It is awfully hard to admit that you have spent years chasing an illusion. But the cupboard is actually bare.

 
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TMZ and the Miscavige “death threats”

Scientology leader David Miscavige is doing an amazing job dismantling the Church of Scientology. So only an idiot, or a lunatic, would call up the church and threaten to remove the man who is gradually ridding the world of such a menace.

But TMZ, which has a history of carrying water for the church, is reporting this morning that someone called Scientology to threaten Miscavige, and one of those calls lasted so long — nearly three hours — that it provided enough information for the Los Angeles Police Department to serve a subpoena on a “Jewish businessman.”

Is any of this noteworthy? Or even true? It’s hard to tell. After years of running interference for Miscavige and Scientology, TMZ did a bang-up job when news of the Wisconsin private eyes was dropped in their lap earlier this year. So who knows which way the wind is blowing over at Harvey’s shop these days.

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Scientology peddling at DragonCon in Atlanta…

 
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Hey, it looks like the new Bogotá Ideal Org just produced its first staff Clear. But, um, what’s with the dollar signs?

 
SciColombia

 
Just getting to our tipster photos from today’s dual “Ideal Narconon” openings. Here is the scene in Denmark…

 
NNEur1NNEur2NNEur5NNEur4NNEur3NNEur6

 
…and in the UK, which now has a Narconon again for the first time in several years. Yay?

 
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BOOK NOTES
3D-Unbreakable

We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Tony Ortega’s upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
Sept 15: Phoenix, Barrett the Honors College, Arizona State University, ASU in Downtown Phoenix campus, Walter Cronkite Theater, 5:30 pm

Sept 23: Cleveland, Parma Heights Library, 7pm sponsored by Center for Inquiry – Northeast Ohio

Sept 24: Minneapolis, Grumpy’s Bar & Grill, 2801 Snelling Ave, Roseville, 7 pm, sponsored by Minnesota Atheists

Sept 27: Portland, Friendly House, 1737 NW 26th Ave, 12:45 pm, sponsored by Humanists of Portland

Sept 28: Seattle, Razzi’s Pizzeria, 7 pm, with Seattle Skeptics and Seattle Atheists

Sept 29: Vancouver, BC, Seven Dining Lounge, 7 pm

Oct 23: Sydney, Giant Dwarf Theatre (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 25: Melbourne, venue secured (announcement coming later)

Oct 28: Adelaide (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 30: Perth

Past dates: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 5, 2015 at 07:00

E-mail your tips and story ideas to tonyo94 AT gmail DOT com or follow us on Twitter. We post behind-the-scenes updates at our Facebook author page. Here at the Bunker we try to have a post up every morning at 7 AM Eastern (Noon GMT), and on some days we post an afternoon story at around 2 PM. After every new story we send out an alert to our e-mail list and our FB page.

Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

BLOGGING DIANETICS: We read Scientology’s founding text cover to cover with the help of LA attorney and former church member Vance Woodward

UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer
The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill
The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • B4you

    Well the truth ain’t what it use to be…

    • salin

      Unless it is Ron where the truth has always been…. challenged, Same as it always was.

      A more entertaining way to think of ‘Same as it always was’ … or just because: David Byrne

      https://youtu.be/98AJUj-qxHI

  • Veronica

    re “death threats” Miscavige has allegedly been on the receiving end of (for a change):

    Intro to long Wikipedia article about the various reasons for and benefits of attacking one’s own group:

    False flag (or black flag) describes covert operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by entities, groups, or nations other than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation. Geraint Hughes uses the term to refer to those acts carried out by “military or security force personnel, which are then blamed on terrorists.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

    • Sarcasmo

      Nice find. +57 Bunker points.

      • Veronica

        Thanks!

  • EmmaDaoust
    • daisy

      Good article I feel bad I thought it was fear of repercussions too. I see scientology conspiracies a lot now. Review good too except that I take issue with the statement that scientology doesn’t kill anybody, We know that it has been the primary cause leading to mental anguish. Suicide a direct result of that. Also life saving treatment discouraged or delayed. It is however a review of the film, not an indictment of this so called church.

    • Madison KinSmed

      PTupointeau’s comment was brilliant in promptly shutting down the “it’s like all the churches” and summarizing the CoS actions -great role model for responding to that particular kind of comment, IMO.

  • BosonStark

    Only one evil galactic overlord has the power to make a threat phone call last over 2 hours…
    http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Kkkkzzzz/XenuCalling2_zpswnrkpjes.jpg

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Death threats for the people who issue debt threats?
    Methinks the tyrant doth protest too much.
    “Uneasy lies the head ..”
    The Don of the Con,
    Who succeeded Dead Ron,
    Is just rambling on.
    Dave, you soon will be gone
    As more light is shone
    On the deeds of your pawns.
    All you have spawned
    Is occasioning yawns,
    The sour fruit of a prawn.
    In the cold light of dawn
    This duck is no swan.

    Dave, I thought you might like this golden oldie from
    the Strolling Drones to cheer you up.
    Dead Flowers

    Well, when you’re sitting there as you bilk up in your lair
    Talkin’ to some rich whales that you know
    Well I hope you won’t see me in my rugged company
    Well, you know I will never be alone
    Take you down, little stoogie, take you down
    I know you think you’re the king, we’re the Underground
    And you can send me dead flowers every morning
    Send me dead flowers by snail mail
    Send me dead flowers to my wedding
    And I won’t forget to put roses on your grave

    Well, when you’re talking smack in your Ideal ugly shack
    Hiring PIs on every other day
    Ah, I’ll be in the Bunker room, floating needle in a shoop
    And these other girls to make your pain go away
    Take you down little stoogie, take you down
    I know you think you’re the king, we’re the Underground
    And you can send me dead flowers every morning
    Send me dead flowers by snail mail
    Send me dead flowers to my wedding
    And I won’t forget to put roses on your grave

    Take you down little stoogie, take you down
    I know you think you’re the king, we’re the Underground
    And you can send me dead flowers every morning
    Send me dead flowers by snail mail
    Send me dead flowers to my wedding
    And I won’t forget to put roses on your grave

    • salin

      Bravo

    • skiesareblue

      There must be music to this one. I can hear you singing…….

  • beauty for ashes

    Fred Astaire is dancing on the ceiling on my TV and John Atack is saying,

    “For Scientologists, the great mystery behind the curtains is “full operating thetan.” At this stage, which Hubbard first promised in 1952 before he had even come up with the expression “Operating Thetan,” the individual will be able to “exteriorize” from the human body and travel around the universe, at will, performing supernatural acts along the way to the amazement of all concerned.”
    Really funny coincidence 🙂

  • GrandEclectus

    OTish

    Twitter update

    Eric Idle is unrelenting on John Alex Wood, despite the fact that his friends and g/f have insulted him and called him a “thunderous c***” and all. After Wood pestered Camilla Cleese (John Cleese’s daughter) over using his stunning PR skills in fan relations, why it’s a wonder Eric doesn’t get down on his knees and thank him.

    This is a highlight, but there’s more at @eric_idle You can read it in your browser even if you don’t have Twitter.

    BIG NEWS: Idle retweeted Jeffrey Augustine’s chart. We were talking about how John doesn’t even understand the least thing about Python, the Life of Brain, and John’s fav, Brazil. Brazil is about a dystopian society based on a labyrinthine paperwork and bureaucracy, caste system social structures…well, you all get the irony.

    Eric Idle is my new hero!!!

    https://twitter.com/betsy_manning/status/640137556705865728

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Python and Erc Idle for the win.
      I LOVE it that Eric Idle sent Jeffrey’s chart to those idiots.

      Irony and sarcasm are totally lost on Kool-Aid imbibers like JAW and his maniacal girl-friend.
      Brazil IS $cientology in all it’s dystopian glory.

      • aegerprimo

        Wink wink, nudge nudge…. say no more!

      • Observer

        Is it me, or does JAW bear a passing resemblance to John Mappin? Maybe it’s the pompous, smarmy aura they exude.

    • Draco

      Very public smackdown!! Love it

    • lynn

      JaW is a putz trying to gain recognition from his parents experiences. He seems to be always trying to ride some else’s coat-tails…be it his parents or monty python.

  • History tells us that the real death bringers don’t usually waste their energy on threats.
    This story reads like it was written by a high school dropout. Poor attempt to play a victim card and ultimately another footnuke, imo. And just to reiterate – the critics I know, myself included, do not advocate violence.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I’m going to have to say no. Usually, they do make threats look at hitler and mein kampf. The Columbine Kids and plenty of others made lots of threats. Though it isn’t a hard rule.

      • It isn’t a hard rule, indeed. I am referring to a high profile assassinations though,
        vs. mass shooters or idiots who start wars.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          Also, it’s probably like 99% of threats made are bogus.

        • arcinva

          I agree with you. It’s like suicides; a vast majority don’t actually leave a suicide note.

    • GrandEclectus

      I have seen people JOKE about violence to the cult. But, of all the protesters and survivors I’ve “met” online, I’ve never seen a single one call for death of Miscavige or violence to the cult, cult property or anything at all.

      I would like to see justice done. I would like the people set free, deprogrammed and Miscavige behind bars where he belongs.

      Maybe Tony will get another book out of this. I’m feeling a bit of deja vu…and no learning curve from the cult.

    • aegerprimo

      Remember, DM feels that people may shoot at him? He is paranoid just like the founder of the cult.

      Tony O article….
      Hey, IRS: Stunning photos inside the lavish personal offices of Scientology’s leader
      http://tonyortega.org/2014/05/29/hey-irs-stunning-photos-inside-the-lavish-personal-offices-of-scientologys-leader/

      Rinder says this small patio is just off of Miscavige’s own office, so he can pop out for a smoke. He points out the use of bullet-proof glass for Miscavige’s protection from snipers on the distant roadway.

      http://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/RTC11.jpg

      • Observer

        • beauty for ashes

          There it is! Thank you. 🙂

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Now that’s a resolute stance if I’ve seen one. A little dauntless, too.

        • Beth

          ….. and oozing black glibness.

        • Mine from that article

          • Observer

            I don’t remember seeing this one.

            • They used to take me a lot longer. I would “cut” the shapes out by hand in paint. Lol. Sigh.

            • Robert Eckert

              You mean there’s another way to do that?

      • Yep. Meanwhile Pope Francis goes out and mingles with peeps like there is no tomorrow.

    • 9001

      Well said about the nature of our non-violent protest. I’m all about stopping $cilon abuses just like everyone else I’ve met and seen here. We would never support any violence against anyone. It would be counterproductive. As for the the TMZ story time will tell but it looks like BS to me too..until someone is arrested, charged and a court date is set.

    • beauty for ashes

      Put another way, the goal of recovery from abuse is to not become an abuser yourself.
      When you are protesting the abuses of scientology it does no good to perpetrate violence or abuse back.

    • Draco

      Agreed Dodo. Much as I dislike the man, I have no interest in seeing him dead. I have great interest in seeing him exposed and made to pay for his crimes against all the people that he has harmed. I won’t even go into the money that has been wasted by scientologists, although it makes me mad and upset to see people destitute as a result of high pressure regging. What REALLY grates my carrot is the vicious way he controls his “flock” through the disconnection policies. He has damaged people and families beyond repair with this and should pay the price. Crimes against humanity comes to mind. He is ruthless and does not deserve a good ending. But death? Nope – don’t condone violence. He has done enough of that and I wouldn’t sink to his level barbarism.

  • Always Amazed

    3 hours? What did they talk about for three hours? As if Davey would talk on the phone to a stranger, much less for three hours. Hahaha, it never ceases to amaze me how stupid Mr. Teeny Peeny must be to think the rest of the world buys his shit. Amazing.

    • salin

      Or that the caller would stay on the line that long – with no fear of calls to police and attempts to track the call? Riiiiiight.

    • phoebequeen

      I thought the same thing.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Little tyke is an attention whore.

    • Beth

      maybe it was like this ? (f5)

  • MostEthicalPimp

    On the DM threat situation let’s not forget and it should definitely be read by new members of the bunker(2013)!:
    http://tonyortega.org/2013/07/11/scientology-asks-for-judges-help-because-you-were-so-mean-to-brian-culkin/comment-page-1/

    • Observer

      Ah, one of the most satisfying moments of my life–appearing in a whiny Scientology court filing!

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Saturday, 05 September 2015.

    Good day Bunkerettes and Bunkeroos,

    Yesterday: Houston scraped in and saved the day

    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are now included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    Flag the lies, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… COB needs your money by THDNE & flickred by AegerPrimo
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/13356288743/in/set-72157642802079293

    • beauty for ashes

      I’m sorry but that’s just such an epic award winning mustache. Good taste by THDNE. Hope you are hanging in there THDNE!

  • Observer

    You may (or may not, I dunno) be a granny, but you have more hair than JAW!

    Not that there’s anything wrong with being bald, but I bet he hates it.

    • GrandEclectus

      I guess he hasn’t reached the OT level where he regrows hair, throws away his glasses, runs a successful business, knows how to approach a potential client with a legitimate business proposal…
      And he facepalms US!?!?

  • ze moo

    “ABILITY TO BE AT CAUSE KNOWINGLY AND AT WILL OVER THOUGHT, LIFE, FORM,
    MATTER, ENERGY, SPACE AND TIME, SUBJECTIVE AND OBJECTIVE.”

    All you have to do is redefine the words ‘at cause’, ‘knowingly’ and ‘at will’ and of course ‘mest’ and it all becomes true for you. Helps if you have the official Lroon dictionary and too much imagination or too little.

    Just the snake oil on the itinerant preachers wagon. Who has got the hot tar and feathers?

  • nottrue

    Was DM there…

    • MostEthicalPimp

      My head is spinning let me try to an atlas out and try to clay demo that!

    • Lurkness

      Hopefully we will get the full report from Tony’s special correspondent.

  • phoebequeen

    Beginning of the end?

  • Fred G. Haseney

    Your Hard-Earned Tax Dollars Help Subsidize this Cult’s Crap, Part 1

    Hard-working Americans who rent or own homes near or around PAC Base and Celebrity Centre International in Los Angeles, California, are being inundated with a three-part promotional piece from the cult of Scientology.

    This is the first of three documents:

    THE REACTIVE MIND
    THE SINGLE SOURCE
    There is a single source of self-doubts, anxieties, insecurities and unreasonable fears.

    [That single source is Scientology, but I digress.]

    It suffocates and restrains all those things you like most about yourself.
    It’s not a chemical imbalance — it’s your reactive mind.

    [Just because Scientology says it’s so, it must be true. Uh-huh, yeah, right.]

    And there’s a way to get rid of it.

    [Yes, write your Congressman today and complain about the cult of Scientology.]

    COME TO A FREE LECTURE BASED ON THE BOOK
    DIANETICS: THE MODERN SCIENCE OF MENTAL HEALTH
    BY L. RON HUBBARD
    WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 7 PM
    CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY CELEBRITY CENTER INTERNATIONAL
    5350 FRANKLIN AVE. HOLLYWOOD, CA 90028
    RSVP: (323) 960-3113 LIZETTE@CELEBRITYCENTRE.ORG

    The scans are of the front and rear of this promotional piece.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Are you talking about L. Ron Hubbard Way.?

      • Fred G. Haseney

        If you’re referring to the 3-part promotional piece, Todd Tomorrow, no, I found them stuffed into mail boxes, crammed into people’s front gates, and lying on the sidewalks and gutters along Franklin Ave.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Did they have official US postage? Otherwise they can be fined.

          • Fred G. Haseney

            Nope, Sir Todd, no official US postage; none that I could see.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Still, nice to see you, Fred! Postal inspectors love this stuff!

            • Fred G. Haseney

              Nice to see you, too, Todd; it’s been too long!!!!!!!

    • salin

      I am guessing the neighbors are already onto the fact that this is a scam, and given recent descriptions of the area, this isn’t an attempt to dive for dollars (the CoS as the diver), but recruit slave labor. Also guessing that most residents of the area rather find the arrogance (trained in by Reality-challenged Ron), or the local org folks a bit annoying. A great inoculation from making this path (staff or sea org) a career aspiration.

      Then again, I doubt this is really anything more than someone finding away to try to be upstat. I remain struck by one of Adam and Nick’s videos when Nick tells of being recruited for a specific PR slot – and is shown folders of peices of PR with stats like 30k mailed (which the person showing was proud of), and the response rate of someone actually making a call to the org based on the mailing being 1-2 (which the person showing him was oblivious to how horrendous that response rate was.) Suggested to me the point was not actually getting people “in the door”, it was about how many pieces of PR were sent out.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Did I forget to mention it’s all about stats?
        Yeah, it’s all about stats.
        Stats, stats, stats, stats, stats.

      • ze moo

        Also a bit of intimidation. The neighbors aren’t happy about all the Friday ‘graduations’ and street closings. ‘We know where you live!’

  • Todd Tomorrow

    I think it was probably just a bill collector. We all know how much they like to hold on to every nickle. You’d think they’d have payed this month’s Shell card off for the Fleawinds instead of giving poor, Karin P. carpul tunnel every time one comes in.

  • SP Wogsy

    Because behind the curtain, Scientolgists will find nothing but a scam. Just click your heels three times to go home. It is much cheaper.

    O/T: The Wogsy household is starting margaritas. I hope you all have a great weekend! Also, Happy Birthday Krishna (Hindu God). F5

  • phoebequeen

    So, just say something did happen to Little Man? Does anybody know who is next in line for conductor of the crazy train?

    • Sarah James

      My vote goes to the lady with the LRH spy killer book.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Last I heard they had, Travolta groom some young boy with Asthma for the job.

      • phoebequeen

        Yikes

    • Juicer77

      Personally I think there would be a fight among a few people directly under Miscavige, but no clear winner. Unless there is some crafty person playing the faithful beta to DM and planning a takeover on the sly. Highly unlikely given the snitch culture and DM’s paranoia of anyone he sees as a rival.

  • Fred G. Haseney

    Your Hard-Earned Tax Dollars Helps Subsidize this Cult’s Crap, Part 2

    Hard-working Americans who rent or own homes near or around PAC Base and Celebrity Centre International in Los Angeles, California, are being inundated with a three-part promotional piece from the cult of Scientology.

    This is the second of three documents:

    FREE
    Every Day, 7 days a week
    10am-9pm
    every hour, on the hour
    BRING THIS TICKET
    BRING YOUR FRIENDS

    ATTEND AN EXCLUSIVE FILMED INTERVIEW
    WITH L. RON HUBBARD
    AN INTRODUCTION TO SCIENTOLOGY
    Everyone Attending Receives a Free Personality Test

    Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre International
    5930 Franklin Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90028 (3230 960-3100

    The scans are of the front and rear of this promotional piece.

    • skiesareblue

      yah, free. Hilarious!

    • salin

      The cloaked “Find your Ruin” test for which ONLY CoS has the answers to address. Ugh.

      As I noted on the first piece, I think this is about pushing stats up about how much PR about Scientology is disseminating, rather than an actual attempt at effective dissemination.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Yes, salin, it appears that the cult of Scientology may be simply going through the motions to please Der Leader, David “Let Him Die” Miscavige, what will the lines “FREE, Every Day, 7 days a week, 10am-9pm, every hour, on the hour.”

        Don’t forget… bring your friends!

        • salin

          … (the friends you can’t really stand, and won’t mind if they disconnect from you!) ; )

          • daisy

            LOL

  • How do I know there is no true Clear?

    Daisy Gamble told me that on a Clear day you can see forever.

    Given how short-sighted many adherents can behave (particularly when asked reasonable questions), none appear to see past the end of their nose.

    • salin

      Remember – reasonable has been redefined by Ron to mean something really bad. Don’t Think – Just Follow Policy!

      • But didn’t he also define truth as, “What is true for you is what you have observed yourself. And when you lose that, you have lost everything.”

        Does that mean following policy blindly means you have lost everything?

        • Kestrel

          It would seem so, wouldn’t it? Easy for us to see on the outside looking in, but not so much for those on the inside looking in.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Scientology clears only bank accounts, known since 1950.

      • Mockingbird

        Clearing adds hypnotic content. As a Scientology reversal of meaning in one of Hubbard’s reversals of meaning to create doublethink and obliterate reason. He routinely told lies 180 degrees from the truth as sociopaths and narcissists do. As part of their behaviours of pathological lying, constant projection, age regression with accompanying belligerence and petulance, with denials of their own flaws and crimes these individuals say they are doing the opposite of what they actually do and ruthlessly claim others have done their acts.

  • Thank you, Jon Atack for another proverbial nail in the coffin.
    Always great to hear from you, good sir.

    • Rasha

      Let me set that one for ya…. shhhhhBAP!

      • daisy

        Do you need a nail set for a nail gun?

  • Fred G. Haseney

    Your Hard-Earned Tax Dollars Helps Subsidize this Cult’s Crap, Part 3

    Hard-working Americans who rent or own homes near or around PAC Base and Celebrity Centre International in Los Angeles, California, are being inundated with a three-part promotional piece from the cult of Scientology.

    This is the third of three documents:

    CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY CELEBRITY CENTRE INTERNATIONAL
    323-960-3100
    CCINT@SCIENTOLOGY.NET
    ARE YOU CURIOUS ABOUT YOURSELF?
    OXFORD CAPACITY ANALYSIS
    FREE PERSONALITY TEST
    WHAT ARE YOUR STRENGTHS? YOUR WEAKNESSES?

    The first two items were wrapped in this piece; the cult paid someone to hand-deliver this promo to the mailboxes or front gates of homes in the neighborhood. I’ve scanned only half of the first page as the document appears to be a “standard” OCA test.

    • salin

      Does this actually mean anything: “Oxford Capacity Analysis” or is it BS to give a cloak of gravitas (ala University of Oxford), which is particularly rich in irony given Kirstie Allie’s tweet the other day about being wary of scholars as they are morally challenged.

      • GrandEclectus

        It has nothing to do with Oxford. At all.

        “Have you ever committed genocide?”

        Very intelligent questions. NOT

        • salin

          That was my assumption – but even with CoS, I do like to check my assumptions before I fully let loose of the snark.

          • Rasha

            (whispers: Good Plan! Take it from me!)

      • Rasha

        The answer is b. Well, BS, actually.
        It is BS, and yes, typical $ci self-detonating logic.

        • Fred G. Haseney

          To BS or not to BS, that is the question…

          • Rasha

            It’s perfectly Clear to me….

            • Fred G. Haseney

              Don’t forget to stop by the Qualifications Division to write your Success Story!

            • Rasha

              I can already smell the markers and taste the crayons…… GIMMEH DAT CERTIFICATE!

            • Fred G. Haseney

              And after your write your Success Story, don’t forget to take your check book and income statement to the Registrars at PAC Base, including IAS!

      • Kay

        No it doesn’t mean anything. It is not a standard test used in any field. It’s basically crap.

        • Veronica

          But there’s a graph-y thing with numbers! That means it’s scientific.

          • Kay

            LOL !!!

        • salin

          Galls me, as one who has needed to review ed. psyche evals to work in a team to determine services – to pretend this is that… ugh. In some of their ads they claim that “other people will charge $200-500 for such a test, ours is for free”, just makes me angry. As if Scientology ever operates to provide “free” services. Someone is always paying.

    • An idea for a counter flier:

      “Scientologist! Are you curious about your church? Its weaknesses and your true strengths?!
      Visit http://www.tonyortega.org and test your knowledge. It’s free and always will be.”

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Dodo Strikes Again!

      • LongtimeLurker

        What a great idea. As soon as I sell one of these screenplays for millions*, I’m gonna start doing stuff like this (with appropriate credit to you of course).

        *You idiot, Lurker.

    • Juicer77

      Putting material in mailboxes without postage is a criminal offense in some areas. But then, of all the things the Co$ has done this is pretty low on the criminal offense scale.

      • Using the mailbox for anything but sending and receiving mail is a federal offense, no joke.

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          Federal offenses were Hubbard’s policy, the Admin Dictionary lays out the LRH Personal Office staff, all doing innuring duty to L. Ron Hubbard, for which the IRS simply could never give Scientology tax exemption on religious grounds until Hubbard finally died and stops insisting on having the money funnel up to him.

          My favorite position showing Hubbard’s innurement is the old “LRH Personal Accounts” personnel, who dealt with the money funneling into Hubbard’s accounts. LRH Pers Office ceased to exist, and ASI Treasury took over Hubbard’s money funneling, and additionally the LRH Trustee Treasurer did the money receivng from ASI Treasury, for putting the money in the final LRH Trust Accounts.

          Some of those ex ASI Treasury and the LRH Trust Treasurer people are still alive, and hopefully will speak out someday.

          How the money accounting is done at the top today, I wish Nigel Oakes would quit and talk, and any of the IAS Accounts people who do that IAS international banking of their donations collected, would talk. (I wonder where Jono Epstein is today.)

          We need some new defectors.

        • flyonthewall

          i bought my mailbox and I can dress it up and have sex with it if I want

          • Veronica

            But it’s illegal for anyone else to dress your mailbox up and have sex with it. (Special delivery indeed. Ew.)

            • flyonthewall

              good point

            • Veronica

              Trust me, I learned that the hard way. (snort)

            • Fred G. Haseney

              Perhaps with your permission…

            • Veronica

              Well yes, bearing in mind local age of consent laws.

          • Fred G. Haseney

            You certainly can, flyonthewall.

          • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

            I’m going to help your mailbox file a lawsuit against you for sexual harassment if you don’t leave that poor mailbox alone and quit humping on it!

            • flyonthewall

              maybe she likes it? Who’s to say, it’s a freakin mailbox!

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              The mailbox does not like it, it’s a freaking mailbox which is intended for MAIL not “male”, or “deposits of substances or items other than MAIL”

              !!

            • flyonthewall

              you cannot deny it was made for male deposits of which I have plenty

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              You might want to consider that the different spellings on MAIL, and MALE are indicative of each word having its own meaning and MAILBOXES are different from MALEBOXES – which can be made from cardboard and other materials but are not intended to be used for any mail delivery service.

          • Fine, as long as it’s impersonal and meaningless sex.

        • And I am guilty of that. And I am very sorry.

          I remember doing lower conditions for another floating needle bullshit that they kept redefining (around 2006), and as an amends being given tons of OCA tests and other promo to hand out or whatnot by Div 6 people.

          Since it was a lot of promo/quotas to deal with and since I didn’t know any better, my fellow shit out of luck auditor and I dropped at least half of that waste of paper in people’s mail boxes for a few days, until someone complained and post office contacted our DSA/OSA.

          I promised not to do it again and had to do another set of lower ethics conditions and o/w write-ups.

          Fun times.

          I would like to apologize to all who found that unsolicited garbage in their mail boxes though.

          • Fred G. Haseney

            Worth repeating: “Come to think of it, Juicer77 and Bunkerites, I didn’t actually see the promotional material in a mailbox. I saw the material near mailboxes and rubber-banded to gates.”

          • ze moo

            That’s ok, I just threw out the $cieno docs and kept the handy Chinese restaurant menus.

          • B4you

            Ya! Was that you?

          • Apology accepted.

            (Something you probably didn’t hear at the time.)

            • Thank you. Nobody really thought it was a bad thing,
              it was just against the law and a legal liability. So yeah.

          • Go and sin no more!

          • LongtimeLurker

            What the hell?

            I know I’m not saying anything new, but I’m always, ALWAYS amazed by how much the “punishment” outweighs the “crime” in Scientology. Just crazy and awful.

            I won’t hug you Dodo, I don’t want to make you uncomfortable, but I am giving you a manly fist-bump on the arm, okay?

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Come to think of it, Juicer77 and Bunkerites, I didn’t actually see the promotional material in a mailbox. I saw the material near mailboxes and rubber-banded to gates.

    • My strengths include a heightened ability to tolerate otherwise toxic of BS derived from spending an inordinate amount of time succumbing to my weaknesses focused on pleasantly trolling thin-skinned Scientologists who constantly complain about being complained about.

  • nottrue
  • B4you
  • salin

    Anonymous Commodore’s Messenger Journal entry Sept 5, 2015

    Dear Journal,

    I can’t speak to anyone about this, or I will end up in the RPF. But I am afraid that a flap is brewing that could be as big than the “Let Him Die” flap. Heads rolled for that one.

    COB was angry at his OSA internet operatives for being so incapable at using the comments on news stories to either defuse, confuse, or confront and shatter the content of the stories. He decided to make his own internet identity: elle. At first he would just dabble in the comments, that would often die down after his successful debates, given how big a being he is. But something changed this last Spring. More commenters would keep posting entheta j & d. COB, not trusting OSA to stay on the internet only long enough to confront and shatter, hired some wogs to respond on the internet to defuse, confuse, and distract. But he also kept going back, from time to time, as elle.

    Anyhoo, last “elle” got engaged in a days-long fight with critics. The conversations were very j & d – and “elle” couldn’t trust OSA operatives or the hired wog operatives to handle the situation. One kept backing up “elle” and then cutting and running away. Only a strong reprimand from COB would bring the poster back on line to back up “elle.” It was really BAD for KSW. Really bad J & D.

    Things went really bad when an officer in RTC heard COB/”elle” raving and raging about all the J & D, and that by “killing” KSW – it was going to kill him. The RTC fool thought it COB got a death threat and reported it to the police, who – based on how many hours some of the commenters were talking with “elle” – launched a full investigation.

    I understand the miscom. COB never claimed a death threat. If it comes out that there was no death threat it cold be a really, really bad flap. Should I tell someone? But if I tell someone – they will accuse me of committing a crime, because COB is too important to spend time on comment sections on the internet, let alone being surrounded by the entheta of the internet. That would be a bad flap, too. I really don’t want to go to the RPF. I had to express this somewhere, so I could pull it in. I now know what to do. I just need to keep quiet and hope for the best in order to KSW.

    Signing off for now,

    Anonymous Commodore’s Messenger.

    • LongtimeLurker

      “…kept backing her up and then cutting and running…”

      So true, so true.

  • nottrue

    • outraged

      You’ve got to be kidding.
      More like Sam What The heck?

    • Jimmy3

      His name is Sam Sharp, but everyone just calls him “Notso”

    • B4you

      He is an Ethics-particle locked down in the CF write the same note over and over to different people!

      It is off policy to use a typewriter – use a pen! Nitwitz…

    • This is what desperation looks like. Letter Regging at its finest.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I like him using the vague “a number of of years”? Perhaps even this clam can’t say 29 years without wondering WTF? HA!

    • Veronica

      “Hm, let’s see…. Yeah, now that you mention it, I do remember why I purchased it in the first place. It was the most expedient way to get away from you at the time (you were coming on pretty strong), plus I thought it might be good for a few laughs. It far exceeded my expectations on that score. I don’t think you really would “love” to hear what I thought of the “information,” so I’m not going to get into that. However, since you want to know how I’ve been for the last nearly three decades, I’m enclosing copies of all my annual Christmas letters since 1986. How are you doing? Call 1-866-XSEAORG if you need help escaping from the cult.”

    • flyonthewall

      Yes I do remember why I bought the book. You wouldn’t let me leave the building until I bought something! I only went in to ask directions for Christ’s sake! That was really f’d up and actually messed with my mind for a long time. Thanks for reminding me of it. I’m on my way down there right now to kick your ass.

      Sincerely
      Pissed off wog

    • Normally I don’t play the “dox” card but something seems a tad fishy with the logo, the European date style and Sam’s last name (his letter doesn’t actually read as Sharp).

      But … one can never really be sure and even if it is not authentic we know it is is emblematic of the way certain groups need to work to appear relevant.

      No disrespect intended to nottrue.

      • Kestrel

        I think that’s how dates are written in the Sea Org, and Sam Sharp is on the list of scientologists with course completions.

        • Thank you.

          • Kestrel

            You’re welcome.

  • Kay

    Re: the supposed death threat. I doubt seriously that any law enforcement agency would identify the person threatening as a “jewish businessman”. What would being jewish have to do with anything? Was this just a chance to make an anti-semitic statement by the CoS or DM? That makes about as much sense as saying he was threatened by a “Baptist businessman.” Plus a 3 hr phone threat? That’s just silly. Perhaps DM is angling for a new bullet-proof limousine, or a new private jet (like the Rev. Creflo Dollar who was telling his parishioners that Jesus wanted him to have a new biz jet) but doesn’t want his dwindling cherch to see him in more fancy gizmos since they are already being bilked to the max. He can then justify it as one of his “security” needs.

    • Jimmy3

      I thought that was odd, too. This one doesn’t smell right.

      • Kay

        Yup you are right…doesn’t pass the smell test at all.

        • Jimmy3

          But it’s hard to tell when everything else smells like shit too.

          • Kay

            Very true !!!

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Will the first film released by the new Scientology Media Productions be “The Passion of the COB”?

      • Kay

        LOL

    • May be it was worded that way on purpose, so it looks extra ridiculous and one will blame scientology OSA Op for that.

      • Kay

        hmmmm

    • Maybe it was someone looking to get a better understand of the R2-45 process and was trying to ask if Mr, Miscavige could help. Between a heavy accent, poor English skills and a dicey Skype/mobile connection things got a little unclear.

      To be clear, we should all hope Mr. Miscavige a long, natural life.

      One, preferably, spent atoning for all he has done wrong.

      Perhaps with a nice window to let in the sun.

      A window high on a wall, covered with bars.

      • daisy

        …..

        • And a giant moat of lava? Just to make sure he doesn’t get too chilled at night.

      • Kay

        ITA. I do not wish death on the man, just imprisonment, for a long, long time

      • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

        And a bunch of these outside….

        • Why would we hire Elle and Fine Fettle?

          • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

            We wouldn’t. But the Weasel-in-chief should get his exercise….from being chased around the yard by wolves.

      • Robert Eckert

        Don’t forget to recharge the eternal batteries!

    • flyonthewall

      A jewish businessman would never threaten someone over the phone. He would just hire a goyam to do it

      • Kay

        LOL !! Yes, a jewish businessman hit man does sound really ludicrous, truly. I think if that were true, which is absurd, he would be good enough of a businessman to delegate. It also bothers me because it is reminiscent, unfortunately, of the anti-jewish sentiment put forth by the Nazi party against jewish businesses. That part sort of disturbed me although it may not have been intentional.

        • Robert Eckert

          Totally intentional, IMO

          • Kay

            If it is, that is truly appalling.

            • Robert Eckert

              Totally

            • villagedianne

              Appalling, yes. Surprising? No.

            • Kay

              Yes it is probably not surprising, unfortunately.

        • ze moo

          Bugsy Siegel was Jewish.

          • Kestrel

            Bugsy Siegel delegated.

          • Kay

            Yup he was, you are correct.

      • villagedianne

        He would hire a goy. Goy is singular, goyim is plural.

        • flyonthewall

          i responded to myself instead of you

      • flyonthewall

        Well maybe he needs a couple? One to dial the phone and the other to talk.

    • villagedianne

      Didn’t Hubbard mention a conspiracy of Jewish bankers who run the world? I had a wacky thought when I heard the Jewish businessman thing. I wondered if Miscavige is trying to appeal to neo-Nazi and other conspiracy types who feel the same way as Hubbard and think that the Jews run everything. Remember the Tom Poston song, National Brotherhood week which goes “Oh the Protestants hate the Catholics, and the Catholics hate the Protestants, and the Hindus hate the Muslims and everybody hates the Jews”? If Miscavige can get neo-Nazis to join forces with the NOI (after their adoption of Dianetics, nothing would surprise me), then Miscavige would have an army.

      Here is the Tom Poston song:

      https://youtu.be/dUwbZ9AlSPI

      • Kay

        Well, that thought did run through my mind. (the neo-nazi appeal) Since they are joining forces with the Nation of Islam, who knows? I hope that was just an incidentally stupid statement, but if it was intentional then it has some disturbing implications.

        • Kestrel

          Why would TMZ even run this story? Slow news day?

    • GrandEclectus

      It’s amazing how bad Scientology is at lying. And all the practice they’ve had!

      • Kay

        Yup…that was a really ill-advised confabulation.

      • Veronica

        Truly one of the greatest mysteries of our time, and one which, alas, Scientology is ill-equipped to solve.

    • Veronica

      shoop-bait….

      • Kay

        Yup wish I could shoop….but I’m no good at it. 🙂

        • Veronica

          Me neither, but our resident shoopers here have inspired me to start learning. Who knows, maybe one day….

      • Kay

        That’s fabulousness !!!!! LOL !! Yes, a “popemobile” for Davey boy…..

    • Kestrel

      Would a law enforcement agency even identify the person as a businessman? If they had this information, wouldn’t there have been an arrest?

      • Kay

        Not really. In my years in law enforcement, NO ONE would put that out in the media. Plus, the current atmosphere surrounding law enforcement and racial problems would make that even more unlikely. If they had actually arrested someone, yes they could identify that person by their profession, but it is highly unlikely that they would identify them as jewish also.

        • daisy

          I thought you were a psych nurse ? Did you do both? Don’t answer if too personal.

          • Kay

            I worked in law enforcement to put myself through nursing school, then I became an ER nurse for awhile, then switched to psych. (half of ER are psych patients, so it was sort of logical, plus I got tired of the stress of the emergency room)

            • Veronica

              A psych nurse with a background in law enforcement. You sound like a Scientologist’s worst enemy.

            • Kay

              LOL !!! Never thought of that…..

            • daisy

              and she is ours

            • Veronica

              ??

            • I think Daisy means she’s on our side

            • Veronica

              Ah. That makes sense.

            • Kay

              ?? I am your enemy?

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              No like you’re *ours* – kinda like property but more like on our side.

            • Kay

              whew

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              It takes a ton of bad juju to be my enemy! 😛

            • Kay

              LOL

            • daisy

              NO NO NO, I meant you are on our side. Sometimes I type before thinking.

            • Kay

              I’m so glad……yup I am in the trenches and under the hood with everyone. (to quote Ross Perot) Sometimes I get personal snarks from trolls about being a psych nurse..it amuses me no end. I guess they really do read through this site because I won’t say anything about it for a period of time, but they remember. LOL

            • Mockingbird

              It’s a badge of honor among critics.

            • Mockingbird

              A triple SP !

          • LongtimeLurker

            Don’t you know about Kay’s life? I think she was an astronaut in there somewhere as well…

            Although since you were in the Special Forces Daisy that’s probably not that impressive to you.

    • ze moo

      Perhaps DM wants to expand his outsourced security team? Just another way to inure and scam some more $cieno money into his accounts. All he has to do is be the name behind the corporation that wholly owns another Corp that owns the security company. Just double bill and place the proceeds in the Lesser Antilles. No one uses the Greater Antilles anymore, they are just too snobby….

      • Kay

        That’s an interesting thought. LOL about the Greater Antilles.

        • Robert Eckert

          The “Greater Antilles” are Cuba, Jamaica, Hispaniola (Haiti/Dominican Republic), and Puerto Rico.

          • Kay

            I knew they encompassed Cuba, Jamaica and Puerto Rico, but forgot about Haiti/Dominican Republic. I need a geography refresher. I do know that the Cayman islands are used for money laundering…

  • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

    Someone should send Sam Sharp a couple tickets to the “Vagina Monologues”.

    • B4you
      • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

        It takes a village…

        • with a voice

          • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

            Ooooh I see what you did there 😉

            • Mockingbird

              Wow.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              What, talking about vagina villages is an issue?!

            • Mockingbird

              The image of a village sized….

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Hahahaha well yeah, a vagina the size of a village would be a really big vagina.

              Vaginas are like Mary Poppins’ magical bag – or the tardis maybe?

            • Mockingbird

              Like the old joke that ends with ” if we find my keys, we can drive out of here”.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              I keep my keys in my actual purse, not my vagina. Easier to get to them when they’re in the purse, especially if I’m wearing pants, but even a skirt isn’t all that easy for access.

              Wait…why am I talking about access to my vagina again? 😉

            • Mockingbird

              Uh……….

  • Spike Robinson

    Hey there, half apology/update, half whine. Take a listen as Atack’s dog howls a bit. It might even be funny, who knows – there’s a bit about disconnection in it, anyway. Enjoy. Back to work…

    https://phoenyxrose.wordpress.com/2015/09/04/s-p-woodstock-interlude-the-basset-hound-howls/

    • Lurkness

      Any ETA on conference videos?

      • Spike Robinson

        No, but it shouldn’t be long now (fuller and more boring explanation embedded in blog post). We apologize for the delay. Kindly do not kill the messenger; there are only so many fires one can light under one’s already harried employer. 🙂 Here is some music to listen to while you wait…

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9R8dHDAIE8

        • Lurkness

          Not complaining, just curious. I know it is a lot of work and thank you!

          • Spike Robinson

            Oh, no offense taken! I’ve just developed the habit of over-explaining myself lately… 😉

            Thank you for your patience and continued interest.

          • Spike Robinson

            oooh, you’re right, just re-read that and it did sound a bit defensive. Yikes. I was trying to be funny, but I think I’ve been writing for too long…

        • daisy

          Goth girl ,drinking, singing disparaging lyrics about DM to a Queen song. I have a new girl crush!

          • Spike Robinson

            lol *blush* thanks, I needed that!

          • LongtimeLurker

            I am LongtimeLurker, and I approve this girl-crush.

  • Kestrel

    Thanks, again, to Jon Atack for another informative post.

  • Mockingbird

    Good day beautiful Bunkeroos ! I am delighted to see a new story from Jon Atack detailing Hubbard’s fraud. The lunacy of the bridge to total slavery only compounds as you travel deeper into delusion. When you study the hypnotism books and propaganda and influence methods Hubbard covertly combined and the doctrine he created the OT levels with in fine detail his intent is clear .

    The vaunted OT levels are if examined objectively pure idiocy and of no benefit and quite often extremely harmful . The financial cost of a quarter million dollars or so is the far lesser price for Scientology’s bridge.
    Hubbard in my opinion plagiarized the entirety of Dianetics and Scientology.

    Time to consolidate my three part series on the origin of OT III.
    OT III and beyond sources plagiarized from
    http://mbnest.blogspot.com/201
    OT III and beyond sources plagiarized from part 2
    http://mbnest.blogspot.com/201
    OT III and beyond sources plagiarized from part 3
    http://mbnest.blogspot.com/201
    Propaganda by Reversal of Meaning in Scientology http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/03/propaganda-by-reversal-of-meaning-in.html

    • B4you

      first 3 links don’t werk!

      • Kestrel

        Please don’t tell aegerprimo.

        • B4you

          I wont 🙂

      • Mockingbird

        Reedited and hopefully fixed, please try now.

        • B4you

          Ya! now there is 3 working links. Could be a Disqus thing. It’s been acting up on me all day.

          • Mockingbird

            Please enjoy and share !

            • B4you

              If find OASPE very interesting. Do you know about this site: https://antidianetics.wordpress.com/2010/10/08/the-brain-washing-manual-50-years-on/

            • Mockingbird

              I am in the camp that considers the brainwashing manual to be a failed attempt by Hubbard to position others as brainwashers and himself as a savior. It is an absurd lie on his part.

            • B4you

              So you believe he wrote it? it’s very tricky 🙂

            • Mockingbird

              Yes, the evidence supports that conclusion in my opinion.

          • Mockingbird

            I tried to fix it all.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Just how stupid would you feel walking around with that hanging from your neck? Good Grief!
    Posted by Black Rob: “Tom Cruise the Pimp!” http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?40337-Tom-Cruise-the-Pimp

    • Observer

      That pic looks off. Is she holding him up?

    • Kestrel

      It didn’t bother Flava Flav. I like how his right hand is in his pocket. Don’t want to be too familiar with the lesser beings.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Even FLAVA FLAV has more sense than to get mixed up with this crew. Yeah Boyee!

      • Veronica

        Big clocks are useful.

    • Veronica

      Well, maybe if the medal actually meant something, you know, if it represented some real accomplishment…

      • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

        Does making a total idiot of himself with the fangirling over the Weasel-in-chief count?

        • Veronica

          I suppose, that and being such an insufferable dickwad effective disseminator of LRH technology.

          • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

            I think those actions are only impressive when carefully spun into co$ BS and plated with gold-colored metal-like material.

      • Kay

        That was great !!

      • Kay

        P.S. loved your popemobile downthread !

        • Veronica

          why thank you!

    • daisy

      Are we talking about the girl or the medal, either way it looks stupid.

      • Kay

        You made me laugh !

    • Kay

      He’s mine !! He’s mine !! I ALMOST have my head on his shoulder !

      • daisy

        You made me laugh!!

      • Veronica

        I am totally nailing this audition! (That may be all I’m nailing tonight.)

        • Kay

          LOL !! She probably is thinking “hey I may also actually be SHORTER than him….I can be a contender !! “

        • daisy

          Get Rasha to help him. I hear she is great with a nail gun.

    • any idea when or where ?[not mentioned on site]

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        It’s an IAS event. Dec. 2014 maybe? I don’t know http://vk.com/wall36614877?own=1

        • the Russian translation… “The first picture letter from us from the Lagoon (Diva Space Opera House representative of the most exclusive and expensive musical genre – Classical сrоssоve, she has a unique voice in 4 octave range, which has allowed it to perform famous Aria Плавы lagoon in the famous cops Start flap “The fifth element” ). The second photo is of the lagoon and the Cruz.”

          Lagoon?

          …. aah, Evgenia Laguna {is she a clam?}

          here she is singing
          https://youtu.be/CrrBlYphsdU

      • Frodis73

        I know you want a definite date/place but if I had to guess I would say it’s the big IAS event of last year. Both his dumb award and the tent make me say that.
        eta-He looks like a huge douche in this pic.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Yes, definitely an IAS event. That torch in the background is their symbol.

  • Don’t forget to ❤️. Every time you do a body thetan cluster is cleared.

  • Tony Ortega

    Sorry, had some holiday activities to take care of today and was away from the computer. Just now posted photos from our tipsters from the TWO grand openings that happened today, “Ideal Continental” Narconons in Denmark and the UK.

    • Kay

      OM gosh this INFURIATES me…..don’t they have better regulations than that? (of course the US has state regulations which apparently didn’t help much…sigh sigh sigh)

    • Lurkness

      WUT?! No David Miscavige presiding over this epic double-header?! Lawsuits worrying him, per chance?

      • Kestrel

        Dodging Jewish businessmen.

        • Kay

          LOL !!

        • Robert Eckert

          Seriously, that’s probably what this TMZ story is about, a lame cover to excuse David Miscavige’s absences.

          • Kay

            Hmmmm…could be since it’s such a silly story.

          • Kestrel

            I wonder what the going rate for planting a story at TMZ would be, if they were to accept such things, of course. Is this something a legitimate not-for-profit organization should do? (Rhetorical.)

          • Lurkness

            TMZ story plant more likely about justifying PI, lawyer and security expenses than anything else.

            • Robert Eckert

              That’s another quite plausible explanation.

      • Ruby

        Narconon has nothing to do with the cherch of scientology, remember?

    • About time. Jk

    • So all the other Narconons are not Ideal?

      • Kestrel

        Literally not ideal.

  • daisy

    Those better be shooped. Don’t those assholes know latex balloons kill animals and birds .Oh yeah they don’t give a rabbit damn about any thing but money.

  • I think this newest Rinder’s post was mentioned today, but it’s worth repeating for folks who missed it:

    “Is David Miscavige a Religious Leader?”
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/is-david-miscavige-a-religious-leader/

    • Kestrel

      One of his best.

    • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

      He sure has the hair of one!

    • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

      Now I’ve got that song from the 80’s (I think the Rockettes?) “She’s got the look” in my head.

      • Roxette

        • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

          That’s it! 😛 And instead of “she” it’s “he”, with a bunch of barbizon-like school of modeling poses by the Weasel-in-chief happening.

          • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

            I need someone to make a video of that version for me. I wish I had such skills but I do not and so I must rely on others!

        • Veronica

          “Walking like a man, hitting like a hammer.”
          (Oh God, I actually know that.)

          • LongtimeLurker

            I was so confused as to what you guys were talking about. Google cleared it up, but initially I thought you were misquoting Grace Jones “feeling like a woman, looking like a man”, which I am sure no one wants to hear except me. Well too bad.

            Refresh
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifhcWeXIOZs

            • Veronica

              Walk in the rain on the wild side…

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KaWSOlASWc

            • LongtimeLurker

              Too good. So angry about the later lyric change…what was it? “But she never lost her soul, even when she gave her all?”

            • Veronica

              I didn’t know about that. Something tells me that couldn’t have been Lou’s idea.

            • LongtimeLurker

              No. I haven’t researched it but I guarantee it was whichever record company was doing the reissue.

              And now of course, no one plays the reissue, you only hear the original.

              Idiots.

    • Kay

      That is a really good article.

    • Mockingbird

      No.

  • outraged

    Looks like one of the Olsen twins is a Scion.

    • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

      A toyota? C’mon those chicks are tiny!

    • Hi, can you please post the song? I want Veronica to hear it.

    • beauty for ashes

      Nope, she’s showing too much skin.

    • Miss Tia

      does look like her, but the leg is too thick…..unfortunately that’s even an attempt at a joke, they’re both really thin…..TOO thin…..

      • LongtimeLurker

        Way too thin.

        • Miss Tia

          they really are!

  • Acherontia

    Bunkerites! My grandma was curious after I went to the Boston Skeptics/Miss Lovely event a couple of weeks ago, so I printed an article I found about Paulette Cooper for her. Today I saw her and she said “Oh… I thought you were going to some type of scientology initiation thing?” Looooooooooool. A church event at the Hong Kong 😀

    Now she wants me to find her some articles from THE INTERNET (she doesn’t have a computer, otherwise I’d tell her to watch Going Clear, which is how I became interested) about people who have left/spoken out and general insanity. If it’s not too much to ask: does anyone have any recommendations? I’m looking for the most basic of basic for her, without tons of crazy acronyms. I’m gonna spend a couple of hours tonight poking around, but would love any recs from the folks who know best 🙂

      • Acherontia

        She doesn’t have the internet 😉 and I’m still poking through the site here.

        • Kestrel

          One thing to do is to click on the links above where it says, “Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…”

          • Acherontia

            That makes sense 😉 The bottom of the page gets very dense so I tend to just scroll from the Miss Lovely section onward to the comments. Thank you.

            • Kestrel

              You’re welcome.

      • Kestrel

        I found his Village Voice articles to be instructive, as well.

        • Acherontia

          I’ve read a couple, I’ll go back and check there. Thanks!

          • Robert Eckert

            Here’s the general-intro article Tony wrote in the VV days:

            http://www.villagevoice.com/news/what-is-scientology-6722188

            • Acherontia

              This is perfect! I’m gonna go check out Headley’s book as well, and print a couple of the Jon Atack interviews for her. Thank you!!

            • Mark Foster

              Never Trust A Hypnotist by Atack is worth passing on, too 😉

    • Robert Eckert

      Go to Amazon and get her Marc Headley’s Blown for Good

    • Kestrel

      I found Jon Atack’s book fascinating. Tony provided this link to it in the introduction to today’s post: http://www.amazon.com/Lets-these-people-Piece-ebook/dp/B00BF385HG/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1360952647&sr=1-2

      • Mockingbird

        Best reference book on the history of Scientology and Hubbard available in my opinion, and I am not just saying that because I love Jon.

    • Juicer77

      I loved “Messiah or Madman?” by Bent Corydon. Very readable biography-style. Hooray, Grandma 🙂 The key to long life is to be always learning.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Just FYI, if she has a DVD player or can get to one for an evening (yours perhaps?) the DVD of Going Clear comes out on October 6.

      Amazon has it for pre-order for $22. I can’t imagine it will be more than $25 (maybe $29) in the stores.

  • beauty for ashes

    Anyone have big plans for the evening?

    • Mockingbird

      SP stuff, writing in my vanity blog.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Give it up!

        I told you…you’re not gonna get any dates with that thing.

        At least try putting more selfies in every post…

        • Mockingbird

          I have not used one selfie yet !!!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Well…I think you’re doing this whole “vanity” thing wrong.

            Why…it’s almost as if the blog isn’t about you in the slightest…

            ; )

            • Mockingbird

              Lol. It does have my unauthorized autobiography !

    • SP Wogsy

      • jazzlover

        Two fisted drinker?

    • Just stats and conditions. The usual.

      • Sid

        Me too. Anyone got any extra I can use?

    • Miss Tia

      i got dead tired around 8—which is too early to go to bed…..but i’m off to bed now…….the thrilling life here, eh? cross stitched for about 7 hours, so that was productive—-inside in coolness, to avoid humidity! 🙂 and will do it all again tomorrow….with hopefully a little bit of house work tossed in, done very early…..and on monday too!!!

      have some emails/comments to reply to tomorrow and trying to organize a couple things…..some peoples are away this weekend, so i gotta wait til tuesday for some of that…..THRILLSVILLE!!

      • Juicer77

        Considering you’re not feeling well, you’re doing great. Hope the humidity breaks where you are. It’s summer’s last gasp, I think.

        • Miss Tia

          definitely summer’s last gasp…..cross stitching isn’t really physically exerting…and i was in the room with the AC…..my house work tomorrow will be some dishes—-and if i do them early in the morning with a fan blowing in the back door the kitchen is very nicely cooled…..and then cat box duty…..that might be too much….i might have to parcel that out…..i won’t overdo it though…..

          humidity now they say thru tuesday…..in my mind it’s just through monday, cuz any longer and ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Juicer77

            I hear ya. Hate summer humidity with a passion. Makes my gears seize up! XD

            • Miss Tia

              gears seize up, love that!!! gotta remember that!!!

            • Veronica

              Lol. Talk to Mike.

            • Juicer77

              Naw, Mike doesn’t know one end of a robot from the other. Joel’s your guy for repairs. 😉

            • Veronica

              Maybe Joel has the know-how (and I’m not saying he does), but Mike has the dimples.

            • Veronica

              so there

            • Juicer77

              LOL, don’t tell him I said so but Mike is my preferred host. Joel had some funny stuff but Mike did so much of the writing, starting early on. Plus writing songs, etc. And he was miles better in the host skits.

            • Juicer77

              True!

          • Veronica

            Postpone cat box duty at your peril. Bad things have been known to happen to those who wait.

            • Miss Tia

              i know!!

            • Veronica

              In my house I also have to put away clean laundry immediately and keep dirty laundry practically under lock and key. And that’s all just for one cat. One would never even dream of doing anything anywhere else but in one of the three litter boxes provided for his convenience. The other cat is about 95% reliable, most of the time. :-

      • LongtimeLurker

        Don’t overdo that housework in the heat.

        Unless something’s on fire – it can wait.

        • Miss Tia

          no i won’t!!! gotta do dishes, that won’t take long….will spread out cat box duty!

      • beauty for ashes

        I typed that question in an promptly fell asleep! oops! 🙂

    • Juicer77

      Yet another hot toddy to chase away the last of this chesty cough. I almost feel like a perky little robot again. Hope everyone is having a nice Labor Day weekend so far.

      • Miss Tia

        when i have chest congestion i slather on vicks….sorry you’re under the weather!!

        • Juicer77

          Thanks. Vicks is awesome!

          • Miss Tia

            it really is!!

          • SP Wogsy

            oh man. Lots of sleep and tea. Hope you feel better too. ☕️

            • Juicer77

              Thanks, hon. Got too much good stuff going in IRL to be down sick right now!

      • LongtimeLurker

        Aww Juicer, I didn’t know you were sick. Too many of us are havin’ a hard time of it at the moment.

        Hugs.

    • Sandy

      college football – Wisc vs Alabama

      • Miss Tia

        the BLIMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (goodyear) is there!!! Just saw that on their FB page!! just slightly goodyear blimp obsessed! 😀

  • Mockingbird

    I tried to combine and fix the link to the three posts downthread that didn’t work.
    http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/09/ot-iii-consolidated.html

    • B4you

      They all work now.

    • Mark Foster

      Well done , man. But…reading about the Oahspe is like wading through waist-deep shit!

      • Mockingbird

        I agree , but I edited down the stuff from there to barely a tiny bit and also the Hubbard references because I felt the similarities are so striking . There are so many it seriously warrants examination .

        it is important because if enough of Hubbard’s stuff is entirely exposed as plagiarized that alone will cost the cult slaves who can wake up and taste freedom .

        I am quite interested in your opinion and that of others knowledgeable on Scientology regarding the OAHSPE and Hubbard’s use of the ideas therein .

        • Mark Foster

          I think you make compelling points. The similarities are numerous and striking. Reading and digesting in fits and starts, as I can only deal with so much at a time before feeling thoroughly disgusted!

          • Mockingbird

            no problem. If you want just check out a few related paragraphs at a time and spend a day or so thinking on them.

            I Know it is a lot to read , that is why I originally edited it down and made three parts.

          • Mockingbird

            Ha ha . Hubbard has disgusted lots of people. And the OAHSPE is also an insane cult text in its own right.

            I try to think of people throwing off Hubbard’s influence when I take on the riddle of what he did and how he did it. That’s the point of dissecting Scientology. The more hidden and harmful what Hubbard did the more freeing it can be to have the lies undone.

            • Mark Foster

              Yes! And thank you for your relentless and doggedly thorough research and writing on the subject!

            • Mockingbird

              Thanks for the compliment. It’s not always a pleasant task, but when I hear of people benefiting from my work, if even a little, I feel the time and effort are worth it.

            • Mark Foster

              I have found it IMMENSELY helpful!

            • Mockingbird

              Thanks , I just finished a long post on Cults In Our Midst, and am writing one on a potential source Hubbard plagiarized – The Crowd by Gustave Le Bon. Hopefully these longer posts will be of use. I plan on writing more posts on books, but am interested in learning what topics hold interest for you.

            • Mark Foster

              Exactly what you are writing about interests me. The stuff about the harmful effects of shitology´s covert hypnosis-and recovery from said-also interests me…

            • Mockingbird

              Thanks. I obviously have already written about twenty posts on hypnosis and an equal number on influence. At some point to learn about hypnosis I strongly recommend books like Trances People Live and Hypnotism Comes of Age. The absolute best advice I know of is to absolutely stop using the language Hubbard used. If the terms and phrases are entirely abandoned that can help recovery.

            • Mark Foster

              Funny, I did that(dropped the loaded language) soon after I left staff. Later, I read Atack and Lerma and Armstrong and you and many others who made this point. I was happy to find out that an intuitive choice proved to be a valid and necessary one…

            • Mockingbird

              It’s a very good choice. Hubbard realized hypnosis alone can wear off, but language lasts and by merely thinking it it can act as a trigger.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Wait, there’s 2 of you who’ve read it? I got through like 3 pages after Mockingbird mentioned it last week.

        And I consider myself a reader.

        You guys scare me.

  • jazzlover

    Oh ok. I was just trying to live vicariously through you 😉

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Meeting Tony in London was the icing on my caek. The unexpected cherry on top was meeting Jon Atack

    • Meeting you and your epic shenanigans on the Internet was pretty awesome as well.

    • flyonthewall

      Pharoah should of listened to Tony and closed those Narconons

    • Sherbet

      Locusts are next.

  • flyonthewall

    For those of us going to the Cleveland thingee, can we all agree on meeting up at Olive Garden afterward? They have unlimited salad and breadsticks which I am quite fond of

    • LongtimeLurker

      The Olive Garden is real? I thought it was made up by comedians.

      • Juicer77

        It’s real. The salad is actually really good. The pasta is meh.

        • beauty for ashes

          Also around a thousand calories a plate (the pasta et al). The minestrone soup was the only thing I ever felt safe eating!! Unless I was prepared to hate myself later. 😉

          • SP Wogsy

            Their minestrone is good. I don’t blame you.

          • Sandy

            That potato soup they have is good. One of my sisters figured out to make it at home. Good stuff.

      • flyonthewall

        i would upvote that 2x if I could

        • LongtimeLurker

          I was worried you’d be offended. ; )

          • flyonthewall

            no it’s hilarious. Just in case you are wondering, Cinnabun and Hotpockets are real things too, unfortunately

            • beauty for ashes

              Don’t ever try the lite versions of hot pockets btw. It’s not even food.

            • flyonthewall

              yeah the regulars barely qualify as it is

            • LongtimeLurker

              Right. But those giant pickups that are obviously penis-substitutes…they’re just a joke, right?

      • Veronica

        The chain is real. Their “authentic Italian cuisine” is not.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Was it started by a real Italian, like Australia’s answer – La Porchetta? They should be ashamed.

          • Veronica

            Yes, it was originated by a retired Italian military chef, Generale Millsi.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Oh HAha.

            • Veronica

              I’ll be here all week.

      • Sandy

        They do not salt the pasta water. Really.

        • LongtimeLurker

          We have those kind of places in Australia too.

          There’s a chain called La Porchetta (Australia, New Zealand, and….Indonesia!) that the Anglos (no offence, I love Anglos) from the outer suburbs love, and think they’re getting the real deal.

          I live in Melbourne which is basically just one gigantic Little Italy and has some pretty great Italian food, and every time I go past one of these places and see it packed to the stupid, straw-basket chianti bottles hanging from the ceiling, I get mad.

          It was started by a guy called Rocco. It was widely know that he was a complete perve and in fact a man once confronted Rocco over molesting his niece who was a waitress at one of the restaurants. Rocco shot him dead (note – it’s completely illegal to carry a handgun in Australia), and got off on self-defence.

          About 5 years ago he laid his motorcycle down going around a corner (about 200 yards from where I’m sitting now), slid under a car and died.

          I was living with this Italian girl at the time and it came on the news. We paused, looked at each other for about 10 seconds, she said “good” and we went back to what we were doing.

          That was stupidly long, but I’ve typed it now, so I’m pressing “post”.

    • Juicer77

      I dunno, it’s required that Bunkeroos end up somewhere open late that serves adult beverages so they can get wild and crazy. Unless it’s an Ideal Olive Garden.

      • flyonthewall

        things can get pretty crazy at Olive Garden when it gets late. I once knifed a guy in the bathroom for looking at my woman. Ok let me rephrase that, I can get a little crazy at OG when it gets late. Maybe you’re right Juicer we should just play it safe and go to Applebees

        • Juicer77

          OH GOD NO

          • flyonthewall

            it was a lego knife

            • Juicer77

              I don’t care about the stabbing, stay away from Applebee’s at all costs!! XD

            • flyonthewall

              i think we’re going to get along just fine

        • Veronica

          Was the guy in the wrong bathroom or was your woman??

          • flyonthewall

            She told me all couples use the bathroom together! I’m gonna have to have a talk with her

            • Veronica

              Um, er, no…. she’s right. Silly me, don’t know what I was thinking.

    • SP Wogsy

      Ooooooh OG. Do you remember when they had the Lobster Spaghetti?

      • flyonthewall

        r u sure that wasnt Red Lobster? They’re both owned by Darden’s. Maybe they got their menus mixed up and decided to just go with it?

        • Juicer77

          Lord save me from Midwesterners and “seafood.” LOL

          • “Midwestern seafood” aka “frozen chewies”

            • Juicer77

              BLECH!

            • I love when a scallop springs up and punches me back for trying to bite it XD

            • jazzlover

              You’re killin’ me 🙂 Frozen chewy aggressive scallops. bwahahahahahahaha

            • flyonthewall

              I live on the coast and I’m so great. Aren’t I sophisticated and fancy? Blah blah blah. That’s you btw

            • LongtimeLurker

              That was great.

              I really say that. Literally 3 or 4 times a day.

            • flyonthewall

              That’s like an Aussie thing right? Here in America it is actually very offensive 😉

          • flyonthewall

            does seafood from the Mississippi river count?

            • Juicer77

              Catfish. If fresh and pan-fried with the tail still on. (mmm crunchy…. 🙂
              Anything boiled is no longer eligible to be classified as seafood. It’s simple, really.

            • Sandy

              crawfish?

            • Juicer77

              Crustacean. Usually boiled. No Old Bay. Bzzzzzzzz… Sorry! 🙂

            • Sandy

              Rules. So hard to keep up.

            • Juicer77

              I change them at whim. I’m like that!

            • Sandy

              🙂

            • Mark Foster

              -Don´t eat ANYTHING found in the Mississippi River!!!!

            • flyonthewall

              Well Juicer said it was ok. Now I’m confused 🙁

            • Juicer77

              I will rely on Mark’s expertise. I’m a Chesapeake Bay girl, so what do I know?

          • Sherbet

            Amen from a New Englander.

            • Sandy

              OG wasn’t so bad (frozen ingredients) until they quit salting the pasta water. What the …?

            • Sherbet

              99% of Italian cooks salt the pasta water. (I’m part of the 1%.) It’s a tradition! I ate at the OG only once, though, and I have to admit I liked my entree, whatever it was.

            • Sandy

              Guess it is what you grew up with.

            • Sherbet

              I just don’t handle sodium very well, so I don’t use it, but my mom always salted the water, and she was from Italy. Did the Olive Garden decide the salt was too unhealthy? Sort of like when the fast food restaurants started using “healthy” oil for their french fries and completely ruined their decadent oily crispiness and flavor?

            • Sandy

              Can’t even guess why they would go against most Italian cooking… There is another fast food franchise up here called Noodles & Co. They also do not use salt. We enjoy a couple of their dishes, but I have written to them multiple times about their use of salted water. No response.

            • Sherbet

              Very strange. Big Brother is watching your sodium level.

            • Juicer77

              I spent a week in Maine, went out every day on the boats and ate my weight in lobster in the evening. Sometimes I drove around and visited old cemeteries, only stopping to eat blueberry muffins at roadside stops. Bliss!

            • Sherbet

              It doesn’t get fresher than that! Years ago, a Red Lobster opened up locally, serving what appeared to be Mrs. Paul’s entrees — frozen and popped into the oven. The place did not last long. There’s an ocean 10 miles away, for Pete’s sake.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m picturing you with a butter-slathered bib still on while you visit the cemeteries.

              And people backing away slowly.

            • Juicer77

              Lol!!

          • OTD:OutTheDoor

            Real seafood is only to be had at Captain D’s. How gauche…Red Lobster.

          • Sandy

            Ya, but, fresh water lake fish – get right outta here …

            • Juicer77

              Good point!

        • SP Wogsy

          I’m positive it was OG. It was really good. The also have a great Iced Berry Sangria and Amareto drink? So jelly. Have fun.

    • Cleveland only exists in cartoons. Good luck.

    • Leave it to a flyonthewall to suggest Olive Garden. Middle Anerica’s middle finger to Italian cuisine.

      Which I can’t really say much about having been a frequent devourer of the unlimited soup, salad and breadsticks.

      Only suggestion, never mention you’re going to make it easy for the server by ordering it. A friend who worked there said it is more work for less tips (people who assume it’s easy also assume they can tip less).

      PS: no direct offense intended at any particular flyonthewall

      • jazzlover

        lmao

      • flyonthewall

        no offense taken. This is just b/w me n you but I don’t think I have ever actually been to an Olive Garden. SShhh!

  • LongtimeLurker

    Just got back, so forgive any “already commented” elements.

    1 – Always inept.
    So the Narconon font is okay. Yes it’s a bit 90s, 80s even (it reminds me of Microgramma Bold Extended which way back, I would use at the drop of a hat whether it was appropriate or not), but it’s okay.

    And their beveled treatment of it, which you can see in the 1st and 5th images isn’t awful…

    But the too-large, leaping idiot coming out of the ‘o’ is the kind of thing a child would do.

    It’sembarrassing. Do we know how that/when it came about? Did Miscavige freaking draw it himself? Or does it predate him?

    2 – Has Tony’s man/woman in Denmark talked about his/her infiltration experience in the comments yet?

    • Juicer77

      Microgramma…. eeek that takes me back.
      The logo is weird, looks like they tried to put an L and an H in there somehow and instead gave the poor fellow scoliosis.
      Haven’t yet seen a detailed report yet. Perhaps tomorrow?

      • LongtimeLurker

        Lurker Lurved Microgramma back in the day.

        Luckily most of these young punks here probably have no idea what we’re talking about, so they can’t work out how old we are.

        • Juicer77

          😉 We’re ageless! Classic, I tell ya!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Good call. Retro Classics!

        • Madison KinSmed

          It reminds me of the Star Trek Technical Manual which I gave my brother for Christmas in the ’70s (?). And I thought the logo was a Y and a K!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Black cover? Blue circular logo? I own that. You were a great sister!

            Wait…maybe it is a Y & K…

            Hey, I just remembered I haven’t checked my email in a while and you probably replied to me days ago. Sorry! Going to check now.

            • Madison KinSmed

              Yes to the cover and no to the great sister – I wanted to read it.

              No worries on the email. We’re having a heat wave and Mr. Madison hasn’t been keeping up with a/c maintenance so it’s not working and I’m totally MeSsy.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Ooooh, are you still a Trekkie?

              I’m a little bit Original Series crazy. Love Kirk/Spock/McCoy and the gorgeous production design AND the “socially aware” metaphor storylines.

              And get it together Mr. Madison!

  • Juicer77

    That Ideal Narconon in England looks pretty unassuming for a place that is supposed to cater to the Big Beings (celebrities).

  • OTD:OutTheDoor

    Of all things which could possibly be called “ideal,” a Narconon? What an oxymoron. How in the hell are people still sending loved ones to narconon?? Talk about people dwelling in a bubble! Who has not heard the stories? How can people NOT know about this racket?

    • It’s like saying “Ideal Death House” isn’t it?

    • Sherbet

      I know, and I’ve been trying to come up with an apt analogy. The best I can do is to say how the FDA or USDA immediate closes down food plants after botulism or other toxins are found. Yet, most narconon centers continue to churn out their scientology poison with full approval of local overseers. People get sick. People die. People aren’t healed at all. It’s an expensive scam. Yet they’re still open and getting Ideal. It’s really hard to accept.

      • OTD:OutTheDoor

        People go to these places! Do they read? Have they watched news on tv even, in decades?

        • Juicer77

          Check out the following links… very helpful. These folks are all over it:
          http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php and http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/

          • PerpetualOutflow

            I just wish their “what’s new” section had something more recent than 2004.

            • Juicer77

              I usually read the latest comments at RFTTP. They’re very current.

            • LongtimeLurker

              So glad I discovered The Tipping Point.

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Thanks. Will check it out.

            • “Ain’t nuthin’ much new to speak of . . . stranger.”

        • Sherbet

          Exactly. Somebody, at some time, stopped Dr. Kevorkian from carrying on his work, no matter how noble he thought it was.

      • OTD:OutTheDoor

        They obviously make money enough to secure the real estate too. It’s impossible to accept.

      • LongtimeLurker

        God, Sherb, that’s so true. They sometimes shut down food prep before people get sick, but even after people actually die at Narconon, nothing is done.

        When you make that comparison, it’s actually twice as upsetting.

        And it was already really, really upsetting.

      • F5

        • LongtimeLurker

          Stealing it!

          • At least upvote it first XD

            • LongtimeLurker

              SHUT UP! See my response above. ; )

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Sickening to see new photos of people falling for this dangerous scam in Europe.

  • OTD:OutTheDoor

    There are so many people who live in bubble worlds, not just people trapped in cults.

  • LongtimeLurker

    Wait…those are real? Like, not from the internet? You really live like this!?!?!

    • SP Wogsy

      Sober Bartenders? Lol. Yes. I’m hiding out to recharge. Introvert problems. Zzzzz.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Not sober Bartenders, lol. That’s a pretty funny misunderstanding…

        No, I meant the photo of the drinks. I thought you’d pulled it from a bartending site or something.

        • SP Wogsy

          Nope. That is from me. I made those.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Yeah, I got one, but it’s your fancy finish and they’re both exactly full enough…you know…the details…

  • MCurie
    • New beginnings.

    • Juicer77

      That’s very sweet.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Open question to our experts – what is the massively overpriced Scientology equivalent of a baptism?

      And if there isn’t one, why the heck not?

      • When you leave the cult and learn how to make amazing Chicken Alfredo. For free.

        • LongtimeLurker

          That’s a bargain!

          • Upvote it then.

            • SP Wogsy

              Lol.

            • Heh

            • lurker is stingy with the upvotes for some reason.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I think you were away when this came up last week.

              I tried it when I first Bunkered. But deciding who to upvote, actually the problem is who NOT to, sets off my anxiety disorder something fierce.

              I’ve lived a life y’know – I’ve been lead on multi-million dollar video games with teams of a hundred, I’ve given lectures to 500 people, done a bit of acting, fought 4 to 1 with some guys in an elevator, yadda yadda.

              But sometimes I can’t even go to the supermarket.

              What triggers the anxiety disorder seems to make no sense and although I can talk about it now and realise that it’s silly, when it’s happening it seems very real and paralyzing.

              So usually what I do if I like something, is make a brief comment (which I know clogs things up and is why upvoting was invented, but still).

              If you need someone to decide where to go on holiday, I might freeze up, but if you’re in a barfight, I’m your guy.

              I will point out that I did upvote every single comment in this chat, so I can laugh about it.

              Anyone reading who doesn’t beleive in clinical anxiety disorders, replace paragraphs 2, 3 and 4 with “I’m a self-involved sissy-man”

              Anyway, now I’ve made it all about Lurker…as you were everyone.

      • beauty for ashes

        I do believe there is a not often used *naming ceremony.*

        • SP Wogsy

          That’s Confirmation.

          • jazzlover

            Confirmation of what 😉

            • SP Wogsy

              A Catholic confirmation. You’re named in your confirmation ceremony.

            • jazzlover

              C’mon Wogs! I’m Catholic 🙂

            • SP Wogsy

              Oh my bad. Lol. May I ask what your confirmation name was? Just curious.

            • Sherbet

              His was “Thelonious.”

            • jazzlover

              That’s Thelonious Sphere Monk to you. LOL. Yes, that was his middle name.

            • Sherbet

              I believe you. My confirmation name was Theresa, BTW.

            • jazzlover

              Very nice. My mom’s middle name.

            • SP Wogsy

              I know the spelling is different, but were you named after Teresa of Avila?

            • jazzlover

              Joseph.

              Don’t you remember we were discussing the “no lefties” rule just yesterday? How much have you had to drink tonight? 🙂

            • SP Wogsy

              Hey, I’ll admit to being perved, but I’m not drunk. You said your mom was a Catholic. You did not say you were Catholic. It’s all in the details. : ) My confirmation name was Gabriel.

            • jazzlover

              You were the one who said you was beertending tonight 😉

              Both my parents were Italian American Catholics. Even if my dad wasn’t Catholic, it was pretty common for the mom to get the soul 🙂 So, in all likelihood, I would have ended up Catholic anyway.

              Gabriel is nice. I’ve never known that for a woman, but nice nonetheless 🙂

            • SP Wogsy

              I don’t beer at all. I margarita tend. True. Mom always gets the soul : ) I thought Gabriel was a cool name *shrugs*

            • jazzlover

              ‘Tis. And it meets the saint name requirement. I am a little surprised you didn’t go for Ike, Taylor or Zac 😉

            • SP Wogsy

              Lol! I know, right? I at least knew it (he/she) was an Archangel. I knew that much. : )

            • LongtimeLurker

              I knew that.

            • SP Wogsy

              Yeah, suuuuuure you did.

            • jazzlover

              Lurk’s a fellow goomba. He knows that any non-Catholic Italians are usually disposed of quietly and without remorse.

            • LongtimeLurker

              See JL’s response below. And then Geddoudahere! ; )

            • SP Wogsy

              Yes, Ima geddoudahere cuz I was 100% sure that his response was from you – lol. Gnite ((hugs))

        • LongtimeLurker

          ARGH! Another thing I knew, but had forgotten.

          Thank you.

          I’m amazed they don’t push these things more. Even make them mandatory.

          It both bothers me and makes me somewhat relieved that I might make a better money-grabbing cult leader than Miscavige.

    • Sherbet

      I see that Erika Christensen just got married. I wonder if one of those phony-baloney scientology ministers did the honors.

      • beauty for ashes

        Is her husband a scientologist as well?

      • LongtimeLurker

        WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!
        Refresh

  • LongtimeLurker

    #BunkerLife

    Just walked past my housemates in the living room and instead of saying “IRL-Name needs coffee.” I accidentally said “Lurker needs coffee.”

    • beauty for ashes

      Does Lurker grunt when he says that too? **tee hee**

      • LongtimeLurker

        I did actually put on a “Billy Bob Thornton in Sling Blade” voice…

        So basically, yes. lol

  • MM

    Apropos of today’s topic ‘chasing a mystery one can’t ever find’, here’s my attempt on translating the relevant part of a nice song, trying to keep the measure (meter?) intact. I hope it turned out not much worse than Arp Cola’s version would have 🙂

    Your life revolves in circles,
    days full of wasted time,
    endlessly you keep postponing your dreams.

    You want to live your life someday,
    when’s that supposed to be but now?
    Because one day, even a dream long gone will be.

    Always forward, step by step.
    There is no turning back.

    –Wolfsheim, ‘No Turning Back’

    *Despite what the ‘favourite’ YT comment says, the translation in the video is rather good, imho. You’ll just have to pretend the word since was never even in there.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IFakWvfGaE

  • Completely forgot I did these 2 very short morph videos a year ago….

    https://youtu.be/YI7CTyb8NYk

    https://youtu.be/KX_s2uUKHyk

    • LongtimeLurker

      Dear god. Okay…

      Refresh

      http://youtu.be/6pnqmUqWpmQ

      • Madison KinSmed

        Hey, it’s Alice! Wasn’t she also the Wicked Witch in Wizard of Oz?

        • daisy

          Pretty sure it isn’t but can not remember the actress who did. Or was that sarcasm ?

          • Sherbet

            Margaret Hamilton.

            • daisy

              Thank you. That no doubt took you less time than I would have, but I can not think of something funny to impress you, unless typos make you laugh.

            • Sherbet

              I’ve seen that movie dozens of times in my life, so there’s not much I wouldn’t remember about it. You make me laugh, often. Just that lovely avatar can do the trick.

              PS: Ann B. Davis would have been way too young to make “Oz.”

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’ve got the 75th Anniversary Collector’s edition thing that comes with a 6 hour (!) documentary and an emerald watch.

              Why an emerald watch and not ruby slippers MGM Home Video?!?!? Not that I’d wear either, but come on!

              …anyway…Wizard of Oz. Yeah.

            • Robert Eckert

              Oz was the same year as Gone with the Wind and Fantasia. Color was brand new.

            • jazzlover

              Spilling some wine on yer doggie might be funny.

            • daisy

              If you find that funny, you would have laughter migraines every day. I try very hard not to spill alcohol but have never achieved that particular skill,

            • LongtimeLurker

              I find if you drink about 1/3rd of each drink the instant your glass is refilled, you tend to spill less.

              At least initially..and who cares what happens after that…

            • daisy

              Finally useful practical advice I can apply to my own life

            • LongtimeLurker

              Glad to hic! I mean help…

          • Madison KinSmed

            Not sarcasm – one of my siblings used to tease that Alice from The Brady Bunch was the witch on the Wizard of Oz. Why that was a mean thing to say, I don’t know. But, I remember crying that it couldn’t be true.

        • LongtimeLurker

          A couple weeks back someone here said that the older Miscavige gets the more he looks like Alice. So I thought I’d do a little test.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Here’s something people might not know;

          Probably inspired by Disney’s Snow White from a couple of years earlier, The Wizard of Oz’s witch was originally…sexy!

          Gale Sondergaard was to play the role. The producer Mervyn LeRoy thought she was too beautiful, so the makeup people tried to “ugly her up” but it didn’t work out. 3 days before filming started she was replaced by Margaret Hamilton.

          For a picture of Ms Sondergaard in costume, REFRESH
          https://girlsdofilm.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/the_wizard_of_oz_margaret_hamilton_15.jpg?w=800

    • normally you just get the pictures at the end of the video and you have to hover your cursor over one to see what it is… decided to grab each title and add it to the picture to show the kind of selection you get after watching a video about scientology… pretty devastating….

      pic

      • LongtimeLurker

        ikr?! I’m glad you did that, it’s something I’ve been noticing for a while.

        Very telling. I get 11 of these and then like 1 suggestion about tanks or film special effects.

  • romanesco

    Too early for video spam? Maybe. But here’s one for our beautuful brothers and sisters in Mexico. Hands off, Scientology. They’ve been plagued by enough corruption already.
    https://youtu.be/ACdwCIld3kE

  • Rasha

    Night, Bunkeroos. The stars were lovely tonight. Rasha has a glass of wine, a head of stars, and a pillow of dreams. May you all dream strong. <3

    • SP Wogsy

      Much Sweet. Very Dreams. Night. Don’t let the Bunkerbugs bite. ❤️❤️❤️

      • Rasha

        So hug. Such yawn and stretch. Skootch over, Wogsy. mmmrrmmphhmmmm….. zzzzzzz

        • SP Wogsy

          …Mumbles…f………5…..margarita kicking..zzzzz gnite all

          • Rasha

            (skootches)

      • romanesco

        No stop bite bunkerbug. Bite f@ctor part in bunkerbug DNA. No lose math skill pretty cute. Nighty like.

    • Rasha

      I woke up to check this out, just ‘cuz you posted it. Love the camera behind the bass strings and the pause to put up the hair…. ^_^ Sleep now. <3

      • Sleep tight. Happy dreams.

        • Rasha

          zzzzzzzzz….

  • aegerprimo

    In response to the TMZ article…
    David Miscavige, this call is for you!
    (refresh)

    • Veronica

      Dial M for Miscavige?
      edit: or MM for Murder Miscavige?

    • SP Wogsy

      DM: Hee-woh?

      Imaginary jewish business man person: Hello?

      DM: Hee-woh, who is this?

      Imaginary jewish business man person: (Laughs)

      DM: Mommy is a death thweat!!!!

    • Put would he ever pick up the clue? Even if it were ringing right in front of his face?

      Not sure there would be one even near by as he tends to be clue-less.

  • Rasha

    Hey, you’re waking me up. Shhh. (rolls up)

  • Oh boy…

  • Mockingbird

    😉

  • salin

    This crosses religions – expresses the disillusionment of finding the “mystery”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if-UzXIQ5vw

    • Veronica

      There is a life after Scientology. Recovery is possible!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCQ0vDAbF7s

    • ReallyMGM

      I just love the jangly guitar sound of R.E.M.

      • romanesco

        You shh…ouldn’t…have said…oh, shit…
        In the spaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion takes control:
        https://youtu.be/9OKac0K91p4

        • LongtimeLurker

          I’ve never heard this before.

          “In the spaceship, the silver spaceship, the lion takes control…”

          “The lion’s on the phone…”

          That’s funny stuff.

          • romanesco

            Ultimately, and perhaps sadly, he waves goodbye.

            • LongtimeLurker

              But he can drive a spaceship, which is happy news!

          • romanesco

            Hush, my darling. Hey, you know what? I’m pretty sure it’s that same lion who was on the phone making death threats.

          • daisy

            I am going to sleep, I hope. If not see you later. We will gossip on an old thread. LOL

            • LongtimeLurker

              Okay. Good luck sleeping! Talk soon.

    • jazzlover

      It’s a euphemism for getting angry.

    • Ex-Christian Scientist

      I’ve always Loved this Song! 😀

    • here’s the lead photo…. which sums up my opinion on the TMZ Miscavige piece

    • LongtimeLurker

      That girl shouldn’t look so scared. That kitteh just wants to hug her in the face with his widdle claws.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Is that Dr Oz?

      • the kitteh or the photo on my blog?

        • Ex-Christian Scientist

          I think the Dr. Oz lookalike is the guy who the kitteh is going to land on! LOL! 😀

        • EmmaDaoust

          What Ex-Christian Scientist said. The guy in the black jacket and light green shirt at the end of the counter. He looks like Dr Oz. 🙂

    • Annie

      Priceless facial expressions. Ninja kitteh!

    • LongtimeLurker

      Even non-metal Lurker come to this party.

      This and “One”, Lurker understands. Other songs with yelling make Lurker scared, remind him of villagers with pitchforks and flaming torches.

      Lurker sad now.

      • jazzlover

        Lurker talking in 3rd person. Time to bail 🙂

        • LongtimeLurker

          COME BACK LoveJazzer! Lurker friend!

          • jazzlover

            Find anything out about Frank Gambale?

            • LongtimeLurker

              lol. Not yet.

              I have a folder in my Bookmark Toolbar called Research. I either put direct links there or do a Google search to remind me and then drag that in (which is what I did with Frank). I think he’s 3rd in the list currently. I should get to him later today (it’s 3pm here).

            • jazzlover

              I figured you would have rung his door bell after leaving a burning cross on his front lawn by now.

            • LongtimeLurker

              HAHA!

        • daisy

          I noticed that too. I slip into 3 person but I do it to distance myself from myself

          • jazzlover

            Are you trying to exteriorize again? I thought we had THAT talk 😉

            • daisy

              Always.

            • jazzlover

              he he he

    • ShevilKat

      Ooh, DoDo. I’ll raise you “Unforgiven”.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ckom3gf57Yw

      • daisy

        ACDC. Led Zepp I feel like I am at my brothers pot partys

  • romanesco

    I once called 911 by mistake and hung up. 2 hours later the cops had made it into my security-gated building and were banging on my condo door to ask after my safety. Now you expect me to believe that after a 3-hour convo with a suspect issuing death threats, the suspect wasn’t tracked and apprehended? Guess again, dude.

    • OTD:OutTheDoor

      Exactly. Pathetic story.

  • Kay

    Here is the mug shot of the Jewish Businessman who threatened DM.

    • aegerprimo

      He looks like a Tochus leker.
      (Ha aha, my neighbor speaks Yiddish.)

      • Kay

        LOL. Had to look that up online. One of my closest friends is jewish and I have learned a few yiddish words from her. My favorite saying from her was a “synopsis of the jewish experience” which was “they tried to kill us, they didn’t, let’s eat !!”

        • aegerprimo

          Jewish peeps… very resourceful and practical.

          • Kay

            Yup….she makes me laugh more than almost anyone I know. She’s very “bottom line” and blunt. She’s from NJ with a heavy NJ accent and she can just put me on the floor. That is a very funny yiddish term (if I looked it up correctly it’s ass licker) I will run that by her, she’ll laugh. I usually mangle the yiddish she’s taught me.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Years ago one of the younger Jewish comics claimed that Pacman was based on the history of the Jews: Eating while running.

          • Kay

            LOL I will tell my friend that, she’ll like it.

        • I’m sure that there’s some leaning to the left involved while eating fish spam.

    • jazzlover

      Looks like he plays some mean clarinet 😉

      • Kay

        Actually I saw him play at the Carlyse (sp?) hotel in NYC. It was weird because I sat right in front of him about two feet away. Sort of an odd experience. He sang “yada yada bing bing bing” at the end as he cleaned out his clarinet and put it away. He’s not the greatest player in the world, but it was interesting.

        • jazzlover

          I checked him out once as well. It’s a beautiful room and he’s been playing there for years. Agreed that he’s not the greatest, but it was entertaining. Nice to see someone with a healthy respect for musical history. Billy Crystal’s got a pretty deep jazz connection too. His uncle, Milt Gabler, started Commodore Records to record Billie Holiday’s controversial song “Strange Fruit” because Columbia wouldn’t touch it. I’ve heard Billy talking in interviews of sitting in Billie’s lap as a child. Pretty fascinating.

          • Kay

            That’s very interesting about Billy Crystal. I’m not surprised Columbia wouldn’t touch that song…very controversial at the time. Yes the Carlyle is gorgeous…and it was so crowded that I’m sure it was way past fire code capacity. The food was pretty good.

            • jazzlover

              Yeah, but overall it’s a better night than spending time at some of those touristy jazz clubs downtown in Greenwich Village. The Blue Note, for instance, is always packed and over-priced with horrible sight lines. Even the Village Vanguard can get a little uncomfortable. It’s basically in a basement, after all 🙂

            • Kay

              Yup…and the Blue Note can get really really loud…the sound bounces around everywhere. I like the Rainbow Room and the Carlyle better.

            • jazzlover

              You know the classy joints 🙂

            • Kay

              🙂

          • beauty for ashes

            Oh, I’ve only ever heard Nina Simone sing Strange Fruit. I honestly can’t imagine anyone else.

            • jazzlover

              As I’m sure you know, it’s a dreadfully depressing tune. Holiday’s general intonation just adds to that:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy9zs

            • LongtimeLurker

              God, isn’t it and doesn’t it?

            • jazzlover

              Ya. Another blight on Moorica.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I know, I know. But so much wonderful as well.

              In my group of IRL friends I’m known as the first person to raise the US’s missteps and quote boring details.

              But if anyone else tries to say anything negative, I’m the first to leap to her defence.

              She’s high-maintenance, but worth it!

              ; )

            • jazzlover

              Yes, I wouldn’t still be here if it wasn’t. However, lots of the missteps of yesteryear continue to haunt us today. As one example, I’m not convinced that racism will ever completely go away. And that’s sad.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I concur.

            • Kay

              Nina Simone is great !

            • beauty for ashes

              * Ne me quitte pas*

              Ne me quitte pas Don’t leave me
              Il faut oublier it ‘s necessary to forget
              Tout peut s’oublier everything you need to forget
              Qui s’enfuit deja which is already over
              Oublier le temps forget the times
              Des malentendus of the misunderstandings
              Et le temps perdu the lost time
              A savoir comment to know how
              Oublier ces heures forget the houres
              Qui tuaient parfois which sometimes kill
              A coups de pourquoi the reasons why
              Le coeur du bonheur the heart full of joy

              Ne me quitte pas Don’t leave me
              Ne me quitte pas Don’t leave me
              Ne me quitte pas Don’t leave me
              Ne me quitte pas Don’t leave me

              Moi je t’offrirai I offer you
              Des perles de pluie pearles of rain
              Venues de pays coming from countries
              Ou il ne pleut pas where it never rains
              Je creus’rai la terre I will cross the world
              Jusqu’ apres ma mort untillafter my death
              Pour couvrir ton corps for to cover your body
              D’or et de lumiere; with gold and bright light
              Je f’rai un domaine I will give you a kingdom
              Ou l’amour s ‘ra roi where LOVE will be king
              Ou l’amour s’ ra loi Where LOVE will be the law
              ou tu serais reine and where you will be queen

              Ne me quitte pas Don’t leave me
              Ne me quitte pas Don’t leave me
              Ne me quitte pas Don’t leave me
              Ne me quitte pas Don’t leave me
              Ne me quitte pas Don’t leave me
              Ne me quitte pas Don’t leave me

              In French and then English translation.

      • aegerprimo

        Not an easy feat with a beard. 😉

        • jazzlover

          Yes, Benny, Buddy and Artie were always clean shaven 🙂

          • Kay

            I was kind of grossed out watching Woody Allen clean his clarinet so close to me since that involves cleaning all of the spit out of it and I was still eating…I would think a beard would get a lot of saliva on it. Ew

            • jazzlover

              lol. Yup, it can get pretty gross up near the front of the stage, that’s for sure. It almost has that baseball chewing tobacco feel to it.

            • aegerprimo

              You have to get a lot of saliva on the reed to make it sound good.
              Not sure how a beard makes that better?

            • Kay

              Yeah I don’t know either. I played the flute all through high school and just the saliva involved in that was gross. (especially once I became a nurse and really thought about it.) Plus all of those horn players hitting those drain valves and dumping saliva on the floor….ewww

            • aegerprimo

              I played clarinet…. and I remember I had to suck on the reed before playing .

          • aegerprimo

            Not sure who those guys are… I only know Pete Fountain and Kenny G. Not sure if Pete has facial hair?

            • jazzlover

              I think Pete does. The three I mentioned are probably 3 of the most well known clarinetists in jazz history — Benny Goodman, Buddy DeFranco and Artie Shaw. There are other great ones, btw. Sorry, I just assumed you would know.

            • Kay

              Yup Pete Fountain has always had a beard. Artie Shaw was a real lothario….he had a lot of actresses in Hollywood in love with him and I think he married a couple of them. I can’t see it but there you go. (I think Judy Garland was one who really dug him but I’m not sure.

            • aegerprimo

              Um, I don’t know jazz stars even though I live in the south (USA deep south). I know Ray Charles is from my neck of the woods.

            • Kay

              I only know that stuff because my family are almost all musicians and I grew up on it and have dabbled in it off and on for years when I’ve had time. We had no choice but to learn piano, another additional instrument, and take voice lessons. which is a good thing, but when you’re growing up sometimes you can get a bit hostile about it. I chose the flute as my additional instrument because it was easy to carry to school..LOL.

            • aegerprimo

              I dabble at playing guitar these days. I suck at it, but I keep trying. LOL

            • Kay

              I think guitar is a tough instrument, harder than most people realize. Plus it’s hard on your fingers. 🙂

            • aegerprimo

              Yeah, I try to build my fingertip calluses. NOT easy when my day job is an OR Scrub. At least I always have short nails, which is good for guitar playing.

            • Kay

              I could never be a scrub nurse…when I worked ER our idea of a sterile field was not to drool into the open wounds. ERs are such contaminated places. I don’t think I could concentrate closely enough not to break sterile technique…I would rub my nose or scratch my head or such nonsense and have to start all over. I can’t imagine having to stand that long either….kudos.

            • aegerprimo

              The ER and OR are different planets in the hospital. Kudos back at ya Kay! ♥

            • Kay

              🙂 Well I’ll tell you there were a few times that I had to take a multiple trauma patient directly into the OR from the ER (in my ER germ infested scrubs no less) because they were so critically injured that I was either straddling the gurney and holding pressure on something big or pumping units of O negative blood as fast as I could to keep them alive. I gained a TREMENDOUS respect for OR personnel.

            • Kay

              P.S. I love Ray Charles

            • jazzlover
            • Kay

              They’re big band era dudes. I wasn’t alive then but my family played a lot of jazz at home so I got familiar with them.

          • Cedilla

            Carnegie Hall. 38
            Sing Sing Sing.
            Krupa.
            James.

    • Cedilla

      Oy.
      I didn’t threaten that schlemiel.
      How did he get that for an order for matzo ball?
      They had me on the phone for hours.
      I tell ya.
      f5

      http://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/6522153/il_570xN.272430628.jpg

      • Kay

        bwahahahahahahaha !!!!

      • aegerprimo

        Oy vey!

      • Kay

        That is so funny that I think you should re-post that tomorrow, seriously.

        • Cedilla

          Feel free to re-post it if it comes up.
          Not on line today.

    • The whole concept of [being] “Jewish” was something I never knew about until a few weeks after I moved to New York… at my boarding school we had a wonderful teacher [a Reverend] who taught ‘Religious Education’… it was compulsory for the first year where we pretty much spent each lesson learning about a different world religion… looking back it was actually the perfect way to do it. Anyway fast forward to my mid twenties and I arrived in New York where one of the first things that surprised me were all these guys wearing tiny circle hats… ‘wow, I thought, they’ve all just come back from a holiday in Israel’… yep, I thought that the ‘yamaka’ was what they gave you when you got off the plane… like when they give you that flower garland when you land in Hawaii …

      boy, was I a talking point when I dated a Jewish girl… have some hilarious ‘culture-shock’ stories but too long to post here

      fun times

  • jazzlover
  • A True Prince

    With all this about TMZ,Miscavige and phone calls reminds me of a movie back in 1971 called, “Who Is Harry Kellerman and Why Is He Saying Terrible Things About Me”, it starred Dustin Hoffman as a Dylan-esque character who is famous singer songwriter who is troubled by these phone calls by someone who ID himself as Harry Kellerman and really speaks ill of him, it turns out at the end of the movie that Harry is really himself and that the cause of being a celebrity just created a mental breakdown onto himself….let’s hope these phone calls keep a coming, wouldn’t be fun if Cruise was behind the calls?

    • How could Tom Cruise do three hours of continuous dialog, even with coaching and teleprompters?

      • aegerprimo

        He does his own stunts ya know.
        errrrrr yes LOL.

    • Kay

      If it’s a celebrity it’s more likely to be Mel Gibson….hahahahaha

  • edge

    Ideal Narconons…where you get Ideal saunas and vitamin dispensers!

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Hmmmm.

    At least one of the photos from Europe is a standard CoS publicity still. That image of the empty interior of the Denmark Narconon was used in last December’s issue of Freedom magazine.

  • beauty for ashes

    I forgot to give Jon Atack some love. Hope your kittehs are doing well too! For anyone who may have missed the dulcid tones of J.A.’s voice.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM_kWQAR0iY

  • beauty for ashes
  • for those, like myself, who have blogs and twitter accounts that throw snark at scientology this is great news….

    http://gawker.com/mayor-who-tried-to-prosecute-parody-twitter-account-set-1728909510

    • LongtimeLurker

      That is good news. Although I don’t think 125K is enough for a completely spurious police raid on your house, but still.

      Trying to prosecute is literally the worst thing the mayor could do. Streisand Effect.

      He should have hired a comedian to do an even more extreme parody account, that linked back to his own real account.

      Mook.

      • the beauty of this is the brilliant “precedent” it sets!

        • Mockingbird

          For anyone seeking the right to use satire Larry Flynt is the man who set the stage for your fight .

          • LongtimeLurker

            And yes.

            Although I have no time for Hustler, I absolutely support Flynt in that fight.

            • Mockingbird

              Few men say they have no time for Hustler !!! They usually deny knowing it or say they love it in mixed company !!! Lol, I won’t sec check you on it .

            • I once got drunk with Al Goldstein in New York, we talked about him at great length [he was a personal friend of his].. we had pretty much bang on the same feelings about censorship

            • Mockingbird

              Interesting, he obviously dislikes censorship given his publishing background . I heard he can talk your ear off.

            • one advantage I always enjoyed was being ‘An Englishman In New York’… there’s even a song about it…. in the best circumstances I can talk all night long and the next day without a break…. he was fascinated how I almost got expelled when I bought over a pack of Hard Core Playing cards from France and managed to get ‘prefect privileges’ a year before I became a prefect by paying for them with single cards… in those days ‘real porn’ was impossible to find in the UK… there were some other stories I knew about about some famous celebs living in MC who were found with dodgy stuff… anyway… must shut up and go to bed!

            • Mockingbird

              Ha ha, good nght.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Well, it sits (or the last time I saw one it did) in a space I don’t understand or see a need for. Between Playboy and X.

              …tmi…

            • Mockingbird

              Lol, I won’t put this in your ethics file.

            • LongtimeLurker

              thx. whew.

          • one of my favourite films [loved the book, too]

        • LongtimeLurker

          Yes.

    • aegerprimo

      This is awesome!

  • Mockingbird

    A video about how long Miscavige will need to get over the things he has done –

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfsfUG0RYSk

  • Mockingbird

    Another video about where you get to once you publicly criticize Scientology and put your name and life on the line .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J7yK1TPkDo

  • Mockingbird

    A video with one simple question for David Miscavige .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCntXvVY5Ww

  • Veronica

    apropos of everything and nothing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB4Avdlz3lk

  • jazzlover

    This is gonna be Davey’s worry:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGR3m5Zs9Ic

    • B4you

      Those where the Hairy days – you never had a bad hair day – Barbershops went out of business and womans was all about hairdress – Nobody shaved and we all looked like Jesus and went to woodstock.

      • jazzlover

        LOL, although humidity was still the enemy 🙂

        • B4you

          I love youtube. All those vids I never saw i can see now AND LIVE!

          • jazzlover

            It’s great. Almost eliminates the need for physical media 😉

            • B4you

              The best part is it’s in color and digital remastered – ain’t we the lucky ones!

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q7Vr3yQYWQ

            • jazzlover

              We are, but realize that the only stuff that’s been digitally remastered is stuff that has been legitimately released. Unless it’s the artist or record company that is posting these, there’s no guarantee for how long they will stay up. Get it while the gettin’s good, I say 🙂

            • B4you

              Been thinking about ripping them off, but there are so many copies around, they will never go away.

            • jazzlover

              Yup. Beatles, Zep, Stones will always be in print. It’s the industry’s version of knowing what side your bread is buttered on 🙂

            • ReallyMGM

              I spent a small fortune buying the remastered LZ catalog this year.

              My asshole brother-in-law helped himself to my husband’s entire vinyl collection a few years ago. He thought he was so smart. He has the old scratchy ones now.

            • jazzlover

              That’s a perfect definition of “getting what you deserve” if there ever was one 🙂 I know about re-buying catalogs, believe me. Did you buy all 9 Super Deluxes? I’ve been sticking to the CDs with companion discs since I stopped playing vinyl long ago.

            • LongtimeLurker

              What the hell? Who is this jerk? What the hell?

            • ReallyMGM

              Do you remember laughter?

      • Veronica

        They’ll be ga-ga at the go-go, when they see me in my toga
        My toga made of blond, brilliantined, biblical hair
        My hair like Jesus wore it, Hallelujah I adore it
        Hallelujah Mary loved her son, why don’t my mother love me?
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADNbtAID5wM

        • B4you

          My parents was all about “Hair” I hated that 🙂

          • ReallyMGM

            I was in grade school and knew from the talk whatever this “bad” thing the adults were gossiping about was probably very good. I was right.

            • B4you

              Yes that was funny! everyone sneaking around about it.

  • Kay

    nite all

  • Annie

    Seems the Underground Bunker “After Dark” version is quite musical. I guess it’s not so dark though where some of y’all are. So although I’ve been an almost daily lurker on this blog for more than two years, and feel like I know some of you already (is that creepy?), I know I’m new. But it’s late, I’m an insomniac and my 21 year old cat died today. This seems to be a feline-loving crew. Hard to lose someone you grew up with, you know?

    • jazzlover

      So sorry to hear that. Feel free to mourn with any music of your choosing.

    • B4you

      My god! 21 year old Cat… Thats creepy :-/ i hate when that happens

      • Um, the correct response is “So sorry to hear that. Feel better” not “That’s creepy.”

        • B4you

          Ohh ic, still need to learn … sorry bout that :-/

          • Your vibe is seriously creeping me out. Just so you know. This plus the two nearly xenophobic comments earlier about the black woman’s hair needing to be shooped to look better and Darwinism re: the Colombian family are odd and out of place to say the least. There is nothing I can do about it though. If you are trying to be funny, maybe tone it down a little. Just a suggestion.

            • B4you

              Hmmm … well i appreciate your speaking out. I will put a lid on it and you’re probably not the only one who noticed. So… sorry to those also.

              It all depends on how you look at it, but there is not one threat of racism in those comments they could have been any race. It’s Scientologist i don’t like – no matter what color or origin. But i agree, those comments are to close!

              You have my respect in this matter 😉

    • Susan_Qbird_Poche

      Oh sweetie. To lose a friend you’ve had for so long is hard, it’s hard…
      but…
      You got to have this friend for all that time – you gave your cat all the best, yes?
      I know not now, but the time will come when another wonderful pet will come into your life — a kitty is good for what ails you —- and there are so many that need loving owners. Sorry for your loss, but you didn’t lose, you had the best for a good long time. Your pet stays with you inside your heart & mind always. holding your hand & smiling at you Annie.

      • Annie

        Thank you, very true and kind. I really appreciate your words. I’m lucky, very lucky, to still have another wonderful furbaby…my 4 year old Collie. He’s an excellent cuddler.

        • Susan_Qbird_Poche

          Ah there you go, love right there for your arms.

          • Annie

            Yes. And most of the time, he is quite the entertainer.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Oh dere he is! What a champion!

            • LongtimeLurker

              Test.
              ignore

    • Mockingbird

      Sad to lose anyone you love . 🙁

    • Ex-Christian Scientist

      So sorry for your loss! Much Love To You! <3 <3 <3

    • LongtimeLurker

      Oh no Annie! Omg. How are you holding up? I lost (as in stolen) my last rescue dog after less than 2 years and I was devastated, so I can’t even imagine. But I bet it was the most wonderful 21 years, for both of you.

      You’re not alone with the insomnia thing, there’s at least 5 of us that I can think of off the top of my head.

      You stay here all night girl, we’ll keep you company. Imagine my big Lurker arms hugging you. Unless that’s terrifying…

      • Susan_Qbird_Poche
        • LongtimeLurker

          That’s great!

      • jazzlover

        I know it scares the hell outta me 😉

        • LongtimeLurker

          I guessed as much, that’s why I never do it to you. ; )

          • jazzlover

            ha ha. Melbourne to New York. What is that, like a 250 hour flight? 😉

            • LongtimeLurker

              Many people die during the journey, just from old age.

      • ReallyMGM

        (Raises my hand for insomnia)

        • jazzlover

          Is that an “upvote” for insomnia? As in “Yay, I can’t sleep” 🙂

        • LongtimeLurker

          I should keep a list.

      • Mockingbird

        Insomnia ? Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz……….

        • jazzlover

          I know. It’s bores the hell out of me too.

          • LongtimeLurker

            HA! smartass.. ; )

          • Mockingbird

            Does it put you to sleep though ?

            • jazzlover

              Yes, the thought of insomnia puts me to sleep forthwith 😉

      • Annie

        Stolen?! That’s just about my worst nightmare. I love my Sylvan sooo much, I don’t know what I’d do. Mostly I’d be desperate to know he was being loved. I am so so sorry to hear that happened to you. Very hard to recover from. *hugs* As for Panda-cat, she was 21 and so of course although I can’t claim it was a surprise, it’s just so very strange to have that empty space. The dog has stopped eating…does anyone have any experience with canine mourning?

        • Susan_Qbird_Poche

          brush your dog — groom him tenderly, he’ll be okay & so will you.

        • Veronica

          Yes, when my mother died our dog, Gus, was heartbroken and started licking off all his fur. We gave him lots of love, attention, and exercise, which was good for all of us, and we all — Gus included — adjusted to the new normal.

        • LongtimeLurker

          I know he’s being loved (see my reply to Veronica above) although not as well as I can DAMMIT!…but yes that would worry me as well.

          My experience with canine mourning is the same as Veronica’s and Susan’s – affection and outdoors time if possible.

          He’ll start to recover when he recovers, like a non-fur people.

          I imagine he’ll never forget her though, just like non-fur people.

          What’s his name? If you’re comfortable answering.

          • Annie

            He’s Sylvan. He’s amazing. I posted a silly picture (or tried to) downthread. He’s my fist dog, I’d only had kitties before. I’ve had to stop working because of a chronic illness, and then I found out that my mother was dying and so I felt that I need some help getting out of bed in the morning. Best decision I ever made. My mother passed away 3 years ago and he’s been with me every moment I’ve needed him. There is so much love. Cats are fantastic too, of course, but it’s just a totally different experience/ relationship.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Sorry, you said Sylvan, and I read it. D’oh. And it’s only 5pm here, so what’s my excuse…

              God, Annie, sorry about your illness and mom.

              And I love cats…but the dog thing…I totally get it.

              If I sighed in a certain way, my Razzle would leap up, jump on me and lick my face to make me feel better. They’re pretty great.

            • Annie

              Yeah, once you go canine…. But, again, no diss on the kittehs of the world…Imma still snuggle them too!

        • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

          My dog took a while to adjust when my cat died July 2014. They need a bit of extra attention to get them through but they adjust…slowly. It’s hard losing a friend for both dog and human.

          • Annie

            Yes, it’s interesting. Animals are not given nearly enough credit for complexity of emotions.

      • Veronica

        Your dog was stolen? Oh Lurker, how horrible.

        • LongtimeLurker

          By my ex, Veronica.

          I’m friends with all my exes (not that there’s that many) but the last 2 really hate me.

          • jazzlover

            Fess up. What the heck didya do to them?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Ended it. Politely and on friendly terms.

              Maybe it’s just because once you’ve had Lurker…where could they go…

              HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

              …sigh…

            • jazzlover

              You funny. Or maybe I’ve lost all good sense at this “insomniacal” hour 😉

            • LongtimeLurker

              Nah, I’m pretty freakin’ funny.

            • jazzlover

              You need to team up with the 2 New Zealand “Flight of the Conchord” dudes and get out on tour 😉

            • LongtimeLurker

              Well…they’re world class…let’s not go crazy.

              Also there’s the whole NZ/Australian rivalry thing.

            • jazzlover

              I thought you were interchangeable 😉 Seriously, world class humor has gotta start somewhere. Buddy up and maybe they’ll let ya open for them.

            • Annie

              Some women hate “politely and on friendly terms”. Not enough heartbreak, drama and angst. Course I dunno your exact specifics, and I’m taking my own small sample-size as truth, but I’ve had a rather large number of friends who were offended by men being capable of ending things calmly.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I wasn’t like Spock or anything, I was upset about it ending as well, but I was trying to be an adult.

              Anyway, I think you’re totally right. These two were both a bit younger than me AND goths (love the drama, some goths). So you’ve hit the nail on the head, darling.

            • jazzlover

              Are there really “gothy” drama queens?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Wait…are you being like THE most deadpan human who has ever existed, right now…

              Or is that a serious question?

            • jazzlover

              Ahhhh. Won’t you ever get me? It’s like that blank stare I get from my 16 year old daughter when I tell a joke without smiling 🙂

            • LongtimeLurker

              No, I was 90% sure you were kidding, it was pretty great.

            • Annie

              Uhm…are there really down-tone Scientologists?

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m sure you said it in your head with a NY accent, which I just tried, and that makes it even better.

            • jazzlover

              Well, it did kinda clear up my sinuses. So, it’s a win for both of us.

          • Veronica

            Have you seen the dog (or the ex) since?

            • LongtimeLurker

              We were sharing custody for months, still friends and then…she got weird (and I don’t mean that in the dumb guy “dur, I just slept with her best friend, what’s the big deal?” way) and angry and started an argument over something else…and since he was at her place at the time, that was the end of it.

              I could have taken legal action, but I didn’t want to bounce him around and I didn’t want the bad karma of contributing to the whole toxic mess. And she’s actually a pretty good fur-parent, so…I walked away…

              Here’s an article about the 2 of them…(OMG…OSA will be able to figure out who I am…bring it on you bastards…I got nothin’ to lose…)

              http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/1882583/razzle-laps-up-the-attention-at-the-vegecarian-festival/

            • jazzlover

              THIS: the dumb guy “dur, I just slept with her best friend, what’s the big deal?” way

              just made me fall off my chair 🙂

            • LongtimeLurker

              You know what I mean, right? Those kinds of f**kin’ idiots…smh…

              Guys can be so dumb. You gotta laugh.

            • jazzlover

              And hence I did. Your way of wording it was pretty hilarious.

            • jazzlover

              That’s a great looking Pug. He looks like he misses you. The girl, not so much 😉

            • LongtimeLurker

              I know, you can see it in their eyes.

            • Ex-Christian Scientist

              He’s Adorable! <3

            • LongtimeLurker

              I know RIGHT?!?!? Little guy.

            • Veronica

              Her dog Razzle… God, that must chafe. Razzle is adorable and does look well cared for. Do you have any new furry and/or female friends? I hope you’re not lurking solo.

            • LongtimeLurker

              He is well-cared for, I think and he’s SO adorbz. He’s so smart too….

              A friend sent me that article, I’m not the “drive past the ex’s house kind of guy” even on the internet.

              Yeah, I’ve been edited out of history “I drove to Bendigo to get him,” she said.” No…Lurker drove. And we paid on my card…lol.

              Lurker is very solo. *sob*

              When current housemates move out with psycho-dog-unfriendly cat, I will fill this place up with pugs and Jack Russells as far as the eye can see!

              Well, probably just one of each…

              I have friends who are females, but that’s about the extent of it…

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              It is not good for man to be alone. Lemme see what I can rustle up to give you some company…how do you feel about taxidermy?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Like the woman is stuffed…or she’s a taxidermist?

              Because one of those options could be really interesting…the other less so.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              No, I’m talking about a formerly alive animal who has been carefully turned into taxidermy!

            • LongtimeLurker

              Ohhh…I thought you were finding me a lady friend.

              Yeah – I’ll take a living-challenged animal companion, for sure.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              How do you feel about jackalopes?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah…look, they’re no Argopelter, or Wampus cat, but they’re pretty cute. I could come to that party.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              For some reason all I can find is a bunch of taxidermied squirrels….

            • LongtimeLurker

              ha!

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Well they couldn’t be allowed to remain alive! Squirrels!

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              They’re everywhere!

            • LongtimeLurker

              They’re super-cute. I saw one for realsies when I was in…Chicago, maybe? Just kinda scampering through a park.

              Oh…and an unbelievably small one in a cafe on the grounds at…Muir Woods National Monument…I think?

              That one was stealing muffin crumbs.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              mmmmhhmmmm….that’s what they want people to think.

            • Annie

              Is it a a psycho-dog who hates cats…or vice versa…or both?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Ahhh, sorry. He’s a cat who hates dogs.

              And has other personality problems. Because his humans aren’t up to the job of owning pets. smh

            • Veronica

              Don’t forget all your close personal friends here!

              I clicked around a bit on the Bendigo Advertiser and wound up watching a surprisingly enthralling video about how to make an award-winning “vanilla slice.” I think this is closest thing to a vanilla slice that we have up here in the Podes (and with this I bid you good night):

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rog8ou-ZepE

            • LongtimeLurker

              I totally don’t forget my Bunker friends.

              Vanilla slices are pretty great.

        • ReallyMGM

          A dog thief is the worst kind of nasty in my book.

          • LongtimeLurker

            A dog thief who was my ex.

            Where’s that go in the book? Assuming I’m not a spouse-beating, cheating sociopath. Which I am not.

            Anyway, this was 2 years ago, so back to Annie.

    • ReallyMGM

      Oh, Annie! I am so sorry. This is a pet loving group. I have had many pets over the years, and with that comes the only one bad thing of owning a pet, having to say goodbye. He/she wasn’t just your pet, he/she was your best friend. In the coming days, if you need a good word, pop in here or find me on Twitter. @_reallymelissa

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Sorry Annie, my son recently lost his cat due to a busy road. I feel for you.

    • Veronica

      Oh gosh, I’m sorry. You must have given your cat a lot of care and love for him/her to live such a long life. It sounds like you and your cat were both lucky to have each other for so long. I’m sure the pain is just awful, but know that it will eventually subside and the memories that make you sad now will become bittersweet, and then one day they’ll just be sweet.

      • Annie

        Thank you, I really appreciate your thoughts. It is a long time to spend with another being. I do feel lucky. In fact, I feel lucky to be one of the people who is brought joy from these wonderful creatures. Can’t imagine being one of those “I don’t like animal” types.

        • Veronica

          Indeed. You’ll probably continue to “feel” this one around for a long time. Don’t worry — that doesn’t mean you’re crazy.

          • Ex-Christian Scientist

            I definitely think they stay w/ us for awhile to make sure that we’re okay & because they Love us as much as we Love them! 😀 <3

            • LongtimeLurker

              That made me tear-up. In a good way.

    • ReallyMGM

      Jazlover reintroduced me to the genius of Gram Parsons in the Bunker one evening. Now it’s on constantly. I beat the drum loudly for 70s cult band Big Star. I hope one person has fallen in love with one song so I could feel like I did my part. I love the music I have been introduced to at the Bunker.

      • jazzlover

        Glad to hear I can influence a person or two 🙂 I’ve almost given up on my 2 teenagers. LOL. Gosh, they are a freaking handful. I fear karma’s paying me back for something I did in my past.

        • Ex-Christian Scientist

          Of course you meant past life… ;D

          • jazzlover

            LOL. Of course. With all the push-back I get, I must’ve been Xenu’s right-hand man or something 🙂

            • Ex-Christian Scientist

              LOL! 😀

            • LongtimeLurker

              *SLAPS FOREHEAD*

              I knew I knew you!

              Do you remember the Ceremonial Guard who got decapitated because he was standing 3 inches too far from Xenu’s Astro-Throne during that one psych-induction ceremony?

              That was me!

              How the heck have you been?

        • ReallyMGM

          My latest “find” is Elliott Smith. He’s alt indie. His songwriting is what got me. I always f’ing good mucisians after they have been dead a decade or so.

          • jazzlover

            With me being “jazzlover” that’s kinda been my story for the last coupla decades 😉 I like Elliott Smith. Anybody who can write a good tune (especially lyrically) is A-OK in my book. It’s kinda what drew me to Lennon all those years ago. That sarcastic wit, that way with words. Priceless.

            • ReallyMGM

              Alex Chilton made a funny comment at a show about that sort of thing. No on really found Big Star for 20 year, then everyone loved them. He was introducing a new song and said, “This is one of our songs. you probably won’t like it now, but in 25 years you will love It.”

            • jazzlover

              That’s hilarious! Love a self-deprecating musician. Btw, have you checked out Richard Thompson?

            • ReallyMGM

              Alex was like that. His career was in reverse. Recorded “The Letter” when he was 14 or 15, dropped out of school to tour with the Doors, and the Beach Boya. Slept on a sofa with Charles Manson at Dennis Wilsons house, spent the rest of his career trying to not be put in a box. Insane career decisions. At one point he was washing dishes in the French Quarter, trimming trees, singing for tips. Then That 70s show started paying him residuals on the theme song, and the Bangles paid him a big ole chunk of cash for September Gurls.

              This is from little known album/collection made between the Box Tops and Big Star. Produced by Terry Manning (early work, but good). Sweet song that should have made it with any PR or distribution. It was 69-70 and was very Anglo-sounding. No video. Who did those in 1969?

              RIP Alex Chilton
              http://youtu.be/liVMMBFMXj4

            • ReallyMGM

              No but I will. You give good tips.

              Holly George-Warren released a book about Alex Chilton’s life last year, A Mn Called Destruction.”
              Several years before his death he told her (joking) that he wanted her to title it “I Slept With Charles Manson,” referencing his Beach Boy touring days and that morning he woke up on the sofa with that freak everyone called Charlie was sleeping on the floor next to the sofa. Good ole Alex! RIP

            • Annie

              Hah! Funny you write that. I don’t know how to post a music link (or even return after a sentence). But I’ve been listening to “Dad’s Gonna Kill Me”.

            • jazzlover

              That’s funny! If you go to youtube.com, search for the video in question. Click on the video you want to play, and when it starts playing, go up to the bar at the top of your browser (where the web address (called “url”) is), highlight the address and press ‘ctrl c’. This will copy the address into your “clipboard”. Then to paste it in a post, press ‘ctrl v’ and the video should appear. Hope this helps!

            • Annie

              Thank you!

            • jazzlover

              You’re welcome! Hang in there 🙂

            • LongtimeLurker

              Annie, please never be embarrassed to ask for tech help in The Bunker

              There might be a couple of smartasses who’ll make a joke of it, but jazzlover or me or any one of a 1/2 dozen others will come forward with easy to understand instructions.

              And if you don’t get an answer, re-ask a bit later, in case we missed it.

              The fact that you’re willing to learn and having a go is awesome. And anyone who says otherwise will have to deal with JL and me.

            • Annie

              Thanks! It’s mostly that I’m new to this Disqus program and find it a bit…less than user-friendly at times. And then I’ve downsized from the MacBooks I’ve been using for years to the iPad and the whole no keyboards thing…weird adjustment.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Ahhh, I see. I made an assumption, sorry.

              Yeah, Disqus on a tablet is not lovely.

              Sorry you don’t have a Macbook any more. I’m on a 5 year old one I inherited from a friend.

              When it goes, I’m screwed.

            • Annie

              No apologies necessary. I get to stay in hospitals a lot, so the portability and reduced fear of theft were main considerations, but I’m really not that well adapted to “apps”. And for links and such, I just automatically go for the “cntl” button for cut/paste and…. It. Isn’t. There!

        • ReallyMGM

          You weren’t influencing a kid, but gave my middle age butt a kick to listen. And now it’s on my favorite list.

        • ReallyMGM

          I influenced my daughter. When she was 7-8 years old she announced she wanted to sing a song she liked at a party. She was always a very, very shy child, so I was surprised and she had a big smile on her face. I had no idea what she would sing, probably something about her dog, I guessed. BUT NOOOOO She had been listening the The Door Greatests Hits cassette very carefully all summer because she proceeded to sing, standing on the swimming pool diving board, as loud as she could, “People Are Strange,” She did it accepello, and never missed a word. And dove in the water at the end. I still don’t know if she did it because she liked the song or was making a statement about the people at the party

          A few years later she set her CD player to play No Doubt’s Don’t Speak 500 times, turned the music on 11, locked her bedroom, and left the house for the night. I heard about 200-250 reps before I broke in and got it OFF. I like the song, but it always seems short when I hear on radio.

          I impressed her, just not in the best way.

          • LongtimeLurker

            That People Are Strange story is amazing.

            As is the No Doubt story, but in a different way.

          • jazzlover

            That’s a cute story (the singing, not the running). Upon retrieval, did you strap your daughter into a chair and force her to listen to Gwen Stefani shriek for 10 or 20 hours straight? 😉

      • Veronica

        They’re definitely growing on me.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvWjBUcIFYs

        • ReallyMGM

          Somone needs to slow it down! Music is too fast and I knew some of those people and they never talked that fast in their lives!

          • Annie

            Yeah, for all the joy (and money saved) YouTube can bring, the messed with pacing can be crazy-making.

            • ReallyMGM

              Uncle John (Fry) never spoke fast in his life. He got much done his way. Very kind, generous man. The type of philanthropist who donated and no one ever knew. Things just happened when he saw things were needed.

        • ReallyMGM

          You can get all three of their albums free on You Tube, and add Chris Bell’s “I am the Cosmos”. BUT to appreciate #1 Record & Rock City, you need to have the commercial recording(all newly remastered by John Fry). The genius behind those records is John Fry, who was the Exec Producer and Engineer. The music is good; the recordings are sonic masterpieces.

          • Veronica

            Thanks for the input!

            • ReallyMGM

              With the tech available I check out everything through Spotify or apple music, get music later. I got my BS & CB remasterers at the studio. Was neat experience.

    • daisy

      Oh my rabbit, I am fairly sure my moms dog is going to die tonight. It is extremely difficult to lose a pet or person. Hope this helps

      • Annie

        Oh daisy, I’m so sorry. Our furbabies are indeed precious.

        • daisy

          I feel bad, I wasn’t trying to garner sympathy. I fell back to sleep, and when I woke up again Maggie was much better. I checked her gums and the colour was back. She is 15 and I know it is coming soon, but not today so I am happy.

          • Annie

            Yay! I’m very glad to hear that. Make the most of her time with you.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    OT: Guess who joined the ranks of stars like Marylin Monroe at Hotel del Coronado…(refresh for pic)https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_del_Coronado

    • The Del!

    • Susan_Qbird_Poche

      There she is! Miss Lovely!

    • LongtimeLurker

      You are outta control! When you finish (if you ever do stop) are you doing a Flickr page of all your tiger-fighter-plane-giant-beach-resort Miss Lovelys? pleasepleaseplease

      Also, went to the Wiki page…that is one huge wooden Victorian beach resort!

      • Eivol Ekdal

        I have loads of pics in raw format on my SLR. Once I get home I will be able to sort through them, fix the colours, straighten and crop. Then I will stick them somewhere where Aeger Primo can snag them and add then to the collection.

        • LongtimeLurker

          pleasepleaseplease.

          I’ve been saving them (just for me, not for sharing with anyone….is that creepy?) but I’m sure I’ve missed some. They’re great…very imaginative.

          I bet whoever you’re travelling with thinks it’s bizarre.

          How long is the holiday? If you don’t mind me asking?

          • Eivol Ekdal

            Stay tuned 😉

    • That’s a fabulous place, I’ve been and loved it

  • LongtimeLurker

    …hi…welcome to the Bunker…After Dark.

    Tonight we’re going to hear great music, we’ll look at beautiful pictures and we’re going to have some wonderful chats. We’ll talk about love and loss, life and strife, pleasure and pain. And lots more…

    …so stay with us aaaaaalllll night, here at The Bunker…

    Refresh.

    • Newiga

      It’s morning here. Can I still join the fun?

      • LongtimeLurker

        …wherever you are, whatever time it is there, just remember one thing…The Bunker is here for you…

        Now…let’s take some calls…

        • daisy

          You are such a goofball

          • LongtimeLurker

            …remember After Darkers…

            …tonight is goofball night, second caller through gets a week’s supply…

            …here at…

            …The Bunker After Dark…

    • Annie

      I can so hear that coming out over a scratchy radio in a gravelly voice (mental edit: with an Aussie accent).

      • LongtimeLurker

        I was putting on my US accent for that on. Which I have fooled Americans with ; )

        But yeah…low and gravelly… ; )

    • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

      Uh oh. But I must bathe soon.

      • LongtimeLurker

        …cleanliness is next to Bunkerness…

        …and now here’s a request from Evelyn, the jazz standard “Misty.”

        • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

          Lol…I probably am not doing my part to conserve water as California is suffering a 4 year drought so far and I take really long showers.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Well, at least you know you’re dropping the ball…that’s the first step…

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              But not the soap!

            • LongtimeLurker

              Hells no!

    • Ex-Christian Scientist

      Love the sentiment, but most go to sleep now… Nighty nite! xo

      • LongtimeLurker

        …hey…there’s no judgement in…

        …The Bunker After Dark…

        …you get some rest now. We’ll be here whenever you want to come back…

        …thanks for listening….

        • daisy

          BTDT

          • LongtimeLurker

            Did you sleep?

          • daisy

            I went back to sleep, feel great. It was a joke more than a complaint , passing out in food.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Gimme dat food-bowl full of puppeh!

      • daisy

        btdt

    • ReallyMGM

      “World Boogie is Comin”

      Going to hear the No Miss All Star band play tomorrow night. Beer and diet drinks in my cooler.
      The NMAS have been around for eons. Dad, Jim Dickinson, played keyboards for the Rolling Stones on Wild Horses, Played keyboards for Aretha, Dylan, and others. Produced the Replacements, Big Star 3rd. His YouTube videos of his perspective on music are wonderful. Now his sons have taken up the family bid’ness. Luther played guitar with a little band called The Black Crowes for a few years, but hangs closer to home now. Brother Cody still plays the drums and electric washboard, but has worked his way up from making NWAS videos to a full featured documentary “Take Me To The. City.” And all the time the kids and his wife Mary Lindsay are still preaching, “World Boogie is Comin.’

      I always try to go see th North. MissIssIppi All stars play. They might have a legendary blues guitarists sitting in for a few tunes, they might be filming a new video, but I have NEVER heard them play to a bored, dull house.

      They are good people.

      http://youtu.be/5lnYLmn0lDg

  • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

    So the weirdest community info letter was on everyone’s door this afternoon – evidently there’s someone stealing panties out of people’s laundry rooms we all have outside next to the back patios here…so we’ve been put on notice and warned to lock ours, especially overnight.

    Who the hell goes around stealing panties in gated community!? Someone who likely lives here and now knows we all know! Good lord.

    • Annie

      Someone who watched the recent season of Orange is the New Black?

      • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

        I’ve never seen that show, Laura Prepon is in it, and I don’t like her.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Hmmm…she speaks well of you…

          • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

            Like she knows who I am. But in any case, there’s something weird about her face that I don’t like.

            • LongtimeLurker

              …gingers have no soul…

              Is what I’ve heard. I of course love all people equally.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Ehhhh….it’s probably Co$-face.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Resting Co$-face?

              +1 Internetz to you for Co$-face.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              all the time Co$-face.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah, there’s only one way to get rid of it right? Well…2, I guess…

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to let my dog bite her face off….

            • Annie

              Careful…some of us out there are reds.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I know!

              Honestly, I don’t care what color a person’s hair (or skin) is.

              Her shoes on the other hand…

            • daisy

              You have mentioned shoes before, What kind of shoes? Crocs. Sneakers Uggs?

            • LongtimeLurker

              I like women’s shoes.

              Not to wear and not in a crazy fetishy way, but there are some great women’s shoes out there.

              Although you’ve managed to mention the 3 I hate.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              I have many many shoes and most of them are heeled, only about 4-5 pair of flat shoes of various styles

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Don’t tell the Weasel-in-chief or he might try to steal all the heeled shoes!

            • daisy

              That was on purpose. They are the most comfortable. I like shoes too, but on other people.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Hey – tell me the video you couldn’t play…

            • daisy

              losing my religion . Weird thing is somebody posted another song by the same band right under it and I could play that one?

            • ReallyMGM

              I only have Ginger kittehs. They have attitudes.

            • daisy

              So do red headed people.

            • daisy

              Saved your ass with the last sentence.

            • Annie

              Her eyebrows bug me. Ugh, I sound like one of those petty, nasty women who like to physically nitpick at other women…I swear I’m not like that. But…her eyebrows bug me.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              If she’s plucking them that skinny and not just putting foundation over them so they can fill them in with dark pencil so she can keep her own brows, she’s going to really regret it – just ask all those chicks from the 90’s.

            • LongtimeLurker

              So many ex-goth female friends who would testify to this regret.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              I knew a few goth chicks and some cholas who shaved their brows off – and all very much regret that decision. 😛

            • ReallyMGM

              My Girl Scout leader confessed to our 6th grade troop she had once shaved her eyelashes for them to come back longer and thicker. I don’t know if it was the truth (I suspect it was, she was a bit off), but it worked. No one in our grade EVER shaved their eyelashes.
              She’s still on Facebook acting like a fool, gets invited as special guests to NPR shows. I should call in and ask about her eyelash story.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              EYELASHES?! What the hell was wrong with her!?

            • ReallyMGM

              Crazy teenager in the 50s! Best Girl Scout leader EVER. She was divorced (in the middle of our conservative stay at home moms, loved loud rock music, and taught us how to do our makeup right). I loved that lady. She was on Michael Feldmans NPR show as his BIGGEST FAN. She was a riot! 70yo, southern belle, 5 marriages, attorney, just GREAT!

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              but EYELASHES SHAVED! 😛 That’s scary to think of someone trying to do to themselves. Sharp stuff isn’t supposed to go near your eyes.

            • ReallyMGM

              She said she had “crew cut” eyelashes for over a year. Convinced me!

            • Annie

              Didn’t women in the 30s or some last-century era, routinely pluck them all out just to paint them on again? I never understood that.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Exactly and they had to get up 2 hours earlier than their man every day so they could draw them on before he got up!

            • Annie

              You know (and I mean this in the most light-hearted, tongue-in-cheek way), you look back and little snippets of behavior/habit like that and allllllmost understand why so many men of the era thought that women were a little fuzzy-headed.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Women have to work on being more ‘mysterious’…Or learn how to make chloroform.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Nah…you’re okay.

              Now Scientology troll “elle”, she’s got a problem. Every single time the subject of a female critic comes up, elle goes for her appearance and age. Every single time.

              I called her on it last week, got no response.

              I agree – Prepon’s changed her eyebrows from when she was on That 70s Show and her new ones suit her less.

            • Annie

              Yeah…elle’s got more than one problem….
              But I know exactly what you mean.

            • LongtimeLurker

              lol, she sure does.

            • ReallyMGM

              I liked her on the 70s show. Didn’t know she was a clam. Never liked masterson though.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Before I knew about Scientology, back on Season 1 or 2 of that show… I always got a really bad vibe off Masterson.

              One of our exes here knows the family, said Danny is an unpleasant piece of work. And separate from that he’s the one who got Laura in.

              I thought Laura was attractive and funny. Then the clam thing…sigh…

        • Annie

          Understandable. For me, I get pretty desperate for stuff to watch…I got this gig where I’m hooked up to a machine about 12 hours a day, so things like Netflix are lifelines. I hope that excuses the Preopon-watching. ; ) Anyway, a major story arc on the show revolves around the inmates starting a business selling their worn panties to pervs. And it is extremely profitable. And, actually, based entirely on a true story. I forget the name of the fictional business, but I recall it being rather clever. Anyway…long-winded explanation.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I don’t even watch the show and I know about this storyline.

            Just tried to Google the name of the business (which I also recall was clever) but couldn’t find anything.

            Darn it.

            • Helen Van Patterson Patton

              Stinky Prisoner Panties LLC

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m not googling that.

            • Helen Van Patterson Patton

              Just trying to help you with the name of the business from Orange is the New Black.

            • LongtimeLurker

              No, I know.

              I was just imagining what kind of things would come up in addition to the Orange is the New Black references.

              Sorry, lame joke. Thanks for the info tho’!

            • Annie

              I seem to recall that it had a literature reference to it or something like that.

              But I also fail to find. Weird.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Isn’t it? Why would it not be all over the internet?

              I’m gonna have to watch the darn episode now.

            • Annie

              I think I remember…and it’s apropos! Was it Felonious Spunk?

            • LongtimeLurker

              crylaughing

              Well done!

              So wrong, yet so right!

              God, jazzlover are you still here?

            • Annie

              You know, now that I search it there’s all these articles about how brilliant the name is (and it is. Brilliant). But before, “the name of Piper’s dirty panty business”, “OITNB online worn panties”, etc…nothing! WTF Google?

            • LongtimeLurker

              I tried 5 different searches – nothing.

              As soon as I typed that in, exactly what you said, 100s of hits.

              Google. pffft

            • Annie

              Alright, well on that triumphant note, I’m going to try to join Sylvan in a similar pose. Sadly, I’m not nearly as fuzzy and cuddly. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e13ccaf211e2f7ca1bca1189d3d170d195d208fcd26b4702977629a963cedce6.jpg

            • LongtimeLurker

              I LOVE HIM!

              What a beautiful face.

              Good night!

            • daisy

              Do you suppose Tony reads the night shift comments?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yes. The next day. But probably only sorted by best.

              So we might be okay.

            • daisy

              He probably has a sense of who, is who by now and knows who he likes posted. I try to read everybody s but if I cant I get a vague sense of the ones I want read. He probably does too. I wasn’t really concerned about anybodys nuttiest, more curious

          • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

            I suppose I can forgive you, don’t want to be a heartless bitch after all…;)

            • Annie

              Lol. Thank you, I am mucho gratified.

          • ReallyMGM

            Can you get Starz channel? If you have cable or direct tv eat, you can binge watch their series. Outlander is great.

            • Annie

              I actually don’t have a tv…just an iPad. So it’s mostly Amazon, Netflix and Hulu. Although HBO very recently launched itself as an online stand-alone channel one can subscribe to without tv or cable, and I think (hope) that’s the future for most of pay-cable.

              Outlander has been highly recommended to me, as has Game of Thrones. I’ve been enjoying several of Amazon’s original series, and Netflix too for the most part. Always happy to get recommendations!

          • daisy

            If it is a big ensemble cast, we can get away with watching, they are allowing me to keep Pulp Fiction.

            • Annie

              Good point. There are a lot of great characters on the show, for sure.

      • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

        And I just thought of something…it can’t be for the OITNB thing because they’re stolen out of the dryer – already clean! Pervs would have to either get inside the house to snatch from the hamper or buy dirty knickers on eBay.

        • Annie

          True, true…though it’s really not possible to narrow down the many categories of pervs out there. I’m sure there are some who LOVE the fresh-outta-the-dryer scent.

          • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

            Oh god, I am trying really hard not to imagine exactly how many categories of pervs there are.

            It’s not working.

      • ReallyMGM

        I never started watching 3rd season. I liked book and season 1&2, but couldn’t get into 3.

        • Annie

          Agreed, the first two seasons were much better. Lurker mentioned Wentworth the other day. It’s grittier than OITNB but I recommend it.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Holy crap, people are messed up.

      I would be tempted to buy a whole lot of nice panties. Wait until a bunch had been stolen and then “reveal” to all my neighbors that I live alone and am a cross-dresser.

      That’d ruin the thief’s week.

      • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

        Well, whoever it is probably pays attention to which units will have panties in the laundry – and is either a perv who does icky things with the stolen undies or wears them but hasn’t got the money to buy their own?

        I’d be tempted to go around saying “No one is gonna steal my panties because I’m wearing ALL of the ones I own. Yep, every last pair at the same time.”

        • LongtimeLurker

          Someone needs to set up some cheap GoPros and catch them…panty-handed…?…

          • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

            Then someone else would be going around stealing the camera equipment.

            • LongtimeLurker

              DAMMIT! It’s a freakin’ den of iniquity there!

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              This is why we can’t have nice things.

      • Veronica

        “I would be tempted to buy a whole lot of nice panties.”

        Bet you’ve never said that particular sentence before.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Not exactly that one, no…

          • Veronica

            Have you ever even said the word “panties” out loud? In public?

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Does it count if he says it all heavy-breather-like?

            • Veronica

              As long as it’s audible.

            • LongtimeLurker

              …remember…

              …the Saturday/Sunday night shift is panties night here in…

              …The Bunker After Dark.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              LOL…ok don’t say that word anymore. Use knickers instead or something because I’m getting squicked out. 😛

            • LongtimeLurker

              Sorry. oops

              Australians say “undies” for both genders. knickers sometimes, but that’s more UK.

            • Veronica

              Thank God… I was worried I’d worn my Bunker Panties on the wrong night.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Funny you should ask.

              I actually use it all the time. It’s not a common word over here, but…

              I’m
              friends with these 3 sisters and one night I was quoting a line from a
              film that had the word in it, and they all went “ewww” (I still don’t
              really understand why they hate it).

              So now that I know it annoys them, I over-use it. What an ass-hat.

            • Veronica

              It’s common here, but it’s also a word that a lot of people don’t like. The only time I ever use the word “panties” is when I’m discussing not-actually-offensive words which just bug me. “Panties” is one. Also “ointment” and “moist.” The mere thought of “moist panties ointment” renders me essential useless for minutes on end.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              I’d think a powder would be more appropriate for moistness issues that one wishes to prevent or halt….

            • Annie

              Moist is a common ick-factor word. My current icky is “supple”. Never used to bug me before, reasonably innocuous and hardly that commonly used. Then my father used it to describe the body of his 76 year old girlfriend. Now it’s on the top of the list. Forever.

            • Veronica

              Ar least he didn’t call her moist. (I’m snort-giggling like a crazy woman over here.)

            • Annie

              Me too. But also kinda gagging.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah, you may have just wrecked it for me as well.

              …he said ageist-ly.

            • Annie

              Sorry! Well, how much use did ya get out of it anyway?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Good point.

            • LongtimeLurker

              loling

            • Veronica

              Let’s see… I learned tonight that you are single and that you say “panties” more than is strictly necessary. Hm.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Damn it! That explains everything…

            • daisy

              Ya, but did you know he is fake gay and Austrian person of colour.

            • Veronica

              Hey, now I do! Is he? Gosh, I’ve never known a FGAPoC before.

            • Veronica

              In what contexts? I’d think it’d be kind of a hard word to slip into a conversation.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yes. Sometimes I have to really contort the conversation to get it in.

              The burdens of being a jerk.

            • Veronica

              Well, just think: you can tell them all about Bunker Pantigate. That’ll give you the opportunity to say “panties” a couple dozen times at least.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              What will we do when the “bring some panties get in for free”-night comes along at “The gate club”??

            • Veronica

              The occasion may call for adult beverages, to compensate for our juvenile senses of humor.

            • daisy

              I don’t know what comedy shows you seen, but panty talking is the height of sophistication in my book

            • Veronica

              Sophisticated panty books were banned in the town where I grew up.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Good thinking! Thanks!

            • daisy

              Its not a burden , its a pleasure.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I know, right?

              Hey! You’re back. Did you sleep? You didn’t did you?

              So listen…what was the video you couldn’t get to play?

            • Veronica

              Better an ass-hat than a pantie-head.

    • Newiga

      Creepy!! O_o Lock your doors!

      • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

        Everything is locked down at my place, nobody gets in and I’m not going out…until maybe tomorrow, not sure….

        • Newiga

          I hope the thief gets caught soon. Who the heck does something like that!

          • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

            Someone who lives here or comes here to visit someone who lives here – it’s a gated community and they’re pretty good about having the gates closed so one needs to use the front call box or have a clicker/key.

            • ReallyMGM

              I’d be willing to put money on it being a cat after seeing the news shows. Self absorbed, sociopathic, beasts! (And I love them)

    • Mockingbird

      A panty thief ! I thought they were just a legend, like homo novis.

      • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

        They do exist here, the board wouldn’t have printed out the letters to notify everyone if nobody was actually stealing panties and some resident was just forgetful about where they put theirs…

      • Annie

        Or, like, a university prank thing.

        • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

          That’s what I thought when I read the notice. The next one was “Do we have middle school boys running amok here or what?”

    • ReallyMGM

      There have been news shows this summer where cats are doing it. They sneak out the cat door at night and are making off with tremendous hauls of swimwear and towels

      EDIT: my neighbor’s beagle used to do it. She would gather it all back up, wash it, then hang it on her fence for people to claim.

      • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

        Unless the cats have opposable thumbs they probably can’t get the doors to the utility rooms/laundry that every unit has.

      • MostEthicalPimp

        I have cats at work that steal all towels and gloves from the neighbors.

        • daisy

          What kind of job has cats running around and is there any job openings?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Dusty the Klepto Kitty?
        https://youtu.be/xhRW4WmfrDA

    • MostEthicalPimp

      Sorry 🙁

      • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

        Do you live in the greater Los Angeles area? 😛

        • MostEthicalPimp

          Yes, I do. I live near CC Hollywod.

          • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

            It’s YOU stealing the panties isn’t it?! 😉

            • MostEthicalPimp

              You don’t have keanu reeves mom in the gated community do you?

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Uhhh…no. 😛 But the notice didn’t specify exactly whose panties were stolen, if they were ‘big old grannie panties’ or ‘floss’, all they said was “Several residents have had their laundry rooms broken into and panties stolen.”

            • MostEthicalPimp

              No, I was just thinking of a gated community near me. Long story skipped but near me is a gated community where Keanu Reeve’s mom lives.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              I bet she wears ‘floss’, just like her son! 😉

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Did you go to the book signing with Tony and Paulette?

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Nope…

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Hidden Camara Catch the prev pervs in the act. http://www.frys.com/product/7897329?source=google&gclid=CNb48c-M4scCFcdcfgod3HEJlQ well, hopeful just the act of stealing not the act act.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Already addressed that idea down-thread to LL – camera equipment will be stolen by someone else and the panty thief will continue stealing panties! 😛

            • MostEthicalPimp

              You never seemed to notice the ones in your house f5
              http://images.frys.com/art/product/300×300/7897329.01.prod.jpg

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              I swear if any of my panties are missing from the drawer, you’re going to be in BIG TROUBLE.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I was reading the rest of the thread. And it reminded me a of cruel joke I prevented myself from playing. Also, If I wanted clean panties. I’d just buy them. So there was this note in the laundry where someone (Probably one of the new girls in the building) It talked about how disgusting it was to remove other people’s lent from the drier. Anyway, I wanted write on the note that I appreciate when the beautiful women of the building don’t clean out the lint catch.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              My clean panties aren’t just any panties – they’re mine! And I’ve got easily more than 50 pair. The only thing I have more of than panties are SOCKS.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              SOCKS now were getting somewhere!

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Please say you have rainbow toes socks?

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              I might somewhere in the drawer. I honestly don’t know all the styles of socks I have there are so damn many of them.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              And that doesn’t even count stockings tights and nylons – those are in their own drawer.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              This thread needs photos 😉

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              No way am I going to take pictures of my embarrassingly messy and over-stuffed dresser drawers of socks, panties, and other legwear! And especially not to post them!

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Well, you could have just email me. I used to work setting up one of those women’s clothes at home sale thingy like Don Caster but fancer.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Perv! 😉

              And no way, there’s no guarantee such pics won’t end up out on the internet where my mother might see them! The last thing I need is her to call me and lecture me about my messy dresser drawers.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              But at least she would know that I’m never in danger of getting into a car wreck without clean panties on.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              The good news about being in a helicopter crash is they’d just assume that happened in the accident.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              I will never get in a helicopter unless I’m unconscious and it’s because I’m being airlifted to the nearest trauma center.

            • MostEthicalPimp
            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              You’d better be careful flying that thing in my area what with all the trees, power lines and such.

            • MostEthicalPimp
            • MostEthicalPimp

              Old joke.
              how we will we know if there’s a helicopter pilot at the bar.
              Don’t worry, He’ll tell us.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I’m pretty sure your mother wouldn’t be browsing those types of website. Like GirlsDirtyDrawers.com or LadiesWithMessyHomes.com those are pretty spefic fetshes but maybe she has a hidden side.

            • LongtimeLurker

              What?!?!

              It wasn’t me. This isn’t even my car, how would I know what was in the trunk?

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              No we discussed that there would be a second thief – one for panties and another to steal the cameras.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Well, I’m not either of those.

              Just don’t ask me about the ribbons on people’s satellite dishes.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Hey…what about those ribbons on people’s satellite dishes?

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Wait, so you’d be okay with the spy cameras. As long as nothing is disturbed?

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Well no….well maybe….where exactly would the spy cameras be?

            • MostEthicalPimp

              F5, Well obviously everywhere.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              First, hmmm. Second no I haven’t seen it. On serious note: Do think Balding men should shave it? And I’m not talking about the monkey. I’m talking about the scap area. Also, should I err, they keep their mountain man unkempt beard with the shaved head?

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Shave it all! 😛 Beards are scratchy.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I’ll have to take that under advisement. Okay, I ran my beard against my wrists and yes it’s scratchy. Also, do love how I keep replying to the wrong comment thus making it very difficult for other people to follow this conversation.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              It’s ok, most of the time I know which comment you’re meaning to respond to, context clues and all. Besides, it happens to the best of us.

              Beards are definitely scratchy. Guys with shaved heads rock.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Does it need to be a full shave smooth? or is just ultra short okay?? Gosh, I don’t know if I can do it. If I do I’ll post photo.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              They say that women whose fathers are bald or balding are most likely to dig men who are bald or balding (or at least more willing to consider them instead of demanding a full luxurious mane of hair on their man :P)…Shave clean or ultra short, doesn’t matter that much, but it really does look better that way, gives an air of confidence instead of seeming like they’re trying to disguise things are getting thin.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              thnx for the tip. I do like to wear it very short though. But need to be less lazy about trimming!

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Yeah, maintenance is good. 😛

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I try to remind myself that I probably wouldn’t want to date a lady who let her grooming go for so long so often. But it doesn’t seem to work so I might just be a chauvinistic pig. Or just a regular old hippocratic through laziness.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              You could always take a nice nap and wake up completely nair’ed. 🙂

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I know a guy who nair’ed his whole back! And he had bad reaction to it had to go to ER with his GF at 3AM and explain it!!!! Will, at least with the chloroform I’d just wake up there with an unexplained rash and no hair.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              No cameras in the bathrooom – I’m a lady, and we like to preserve our mystery.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Yeah, that’s one thing that ladies can keep mysterious

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              And without needing to whip up a batch of chloroform to do it! 😉

            • MostEthicalPimp

              now, I am in a mystery. What would the Chloroform be for?

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              So that we can sleep in a little before getting up 2 hours before our man does, to put on a full face of makeup. Give him a little and he’ll sleep long enough to get things done and the ladies do not have to get up at 3am either!

              And whenever a lady needs to knock her man out cold for whatever reason….

            • MostEthicalPimp

              This Explains so much.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              It’s only bad if you wake up in a bathtub full of ice and all alone.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Love the justified plot your reminding me of.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              That guy was way hotter with a shaved head, in Hitman.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Or do I really want to know?

            • LongtimeLurker

              I dunno. I’m actually not even sure why I said it.

              Now it’s gonna bother me.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              It’ll be ok. (pets LL’s head)

            • LongtimeLurker

              Hey, you gonna be around in 10 minutes or so? I got something for you.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              uhhhh…that depends on what you’ve got for me. 😛

            • LongtimeLurker

              It’s a “funny”, just need to finish it.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              OK, as long as it’s not like…satellite images of me in my house, or a picture of the doll you made with the hair I shed.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Quiet…it’s fine.

              The other night you and I were talking about something and there were some “objections”.

              And just before that we’d been talking about Gone With The Wind.

              It’s quick n dirty, but Refresh.

              https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dc200161084f2a50718648fb4a2b4e7f3b83ed7ae09c849b60ed4272df6e99d4.jpg

            • MostEthicalPimp

              While I don’t have full contextual understanding. I still enjoy it on a very shallow level!

            • LongtimeLurker

              thx

              I think his phrasing lends itself to it.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Lol, I’m going to have to save this for future use!

              That day so many people seemed to get their panties in a bunch over my random question, made me want to slap them like Scarlett did to “Prissy” when she was freaking out over having to deliver miss melllie’s baby.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              this wasn’t alien question was it?

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              No, stripper.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Which came way later than the part that LL is referring to.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Don’t start again!

            • LongtimeLurker

              What was that one? Or can’t we talk about it…

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Sid said something about auditing aliens and I asked what definition he was using for “alien”. 😛

            • LongtimeLurker

              …and then there was a whole immigration thing…

              ?

              No? Don’t worry, I can find it if I want.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Yes, that’s the one. 😛

            • LongtimeLurker

              sighs

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Hey, I didn’t say you should go start shaving right *now*! Have you fallen and can’t get up?

            • MostEthicalPimp

              But I fear I’ll forget about it in the morning.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Of course you will. Chloroform does that.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I won’t take a side.

              But it seemed to me that one of the main reasons you did it (and the reason I answered) was so people could share their music tastes….

              ….with the possibility of some laffs (like The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald answer – lol)

              Although now that I think of it, I answered as if I was really stripping. Oh well.

              But yeah, I hear you.

              I’ll do a slightly higher resolution/less fuzzy one for you (and hide my “set extension” above his head better) when I have a spare 10 minutes.

              I’m gonna look up that slapping scene…

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              “I don’t know nothin’ about birthin’ no babies Miss Scarlett!”

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              But you’re right, I did it for entertainment of course, but to facilitate some sharing of musical tastes mostly – and some people didn’t take it like that which was disappointing and annoying at the same time.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yep.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Someone’s musical interests say a lot about who a person is, in many ways. I have many tools I use when learning about new people.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I agree wholeheartedly.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Please tell me a chain is sometimes one of them?

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              That’s only for the *special people*. So only sometimes. 😉

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I await it.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Ahhh, well to you it will mean nothing…I apologize…

            • MostEthicalPimp

              It will mean everything to me. I will literally live and die by it! Are you posting it here or on the new story that just came up?

            • LongtimeLurker

              lol

              Here, RIGHT NOW!

              And then I’m going to the new story.

              I had no idea that was the time!

            • MostEthicalPimp

              OH, yes I’ve been meaning to ask you about Ribbons on Satellite Dishes is that the same shoes on power lines?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Like, it’s a complete urban legend that has nothing to do with what everyone claims?

              Yes.

              Actually I have no idea, sorry.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I think it’s just people being odd for the most part.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah, that’s what I always thought.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I actually know someone who drove a car a few miles for few hundred dollars.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Sure, I’d do it. If I could pull the thing apart first to check.

              And if I could see the ownership papers.

              And if I knew for sure it didn’t belong to someone with a price on their heads…

              …actually, no I wouldn’t do it.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Okay MEP, you can never tell that story without a warning to give me time to logout.

              I looked up Keanu Reeves mom, and now I have a serious crush.

            • Robert Eckert

              I’m sure they only steal hot and delicious panties.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Good thing I don’t leave anything in the laundry if I’m not there to supervise its safety. And bring it into the house which is locked and has an alarm so nobody can get to my panties and steal them that way either!

          • ReallyMGM

            Sea Orgers need new lingerie

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Sunday, 06 September 2015.

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,

    Yesterday: Sfbay leads Sacramento, Nashville and Boulder. (Hello Boulder)

    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are now included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    Flag the lies, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… Ranger by El Chief enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/15392179877/in/set-72157642802079293

  • Lady Squash

    Looking at the photos of the Narconon openings, I am reminded of what great showmen they are; what great illusionists. In its own sick way, I suppose its impressive.

    • salin

      But their showmanship is often accompanied with a bunch of footbullets that alienate to locals.

  • Lady Squash

    I remember reading Hubbard’s words about emotional pain and he said something along the lines of you can only be hurt if you agree to be hurt. This puzzled me for a long time. But I get it now. He was wrong. Being vulnerable isn’t such a bad thing–it’s part of being human. And words can hurt. “Words have energy and power with the ability to help, to heal, to hinder, to hurt, to harm, to humiliate and to humble.” Yehuda Berg

    • LongtimeLurker

      Sure, it’s a shame if someone embraces Study Tech, but that’s relatively easy to get over…

      But the Scientology desire to avoid vulnerability and be more emotionless is one of the worst things about it, imho.

      • Lady Squash

        I agree with you big time. I remember how happy I was to feel and to cry again after leaving. I felt like a character from Voyager, named 7 of 9. She had been captured by the Borg and assimilated into their “culture” which meant becoming machine-like. She was rescued by the Voyager and began a process of becoming human again. So similar. So creepy. So, well, its beyond words.

        • richelieu jr

          You wouldn’t happen to be built like or dress like her, would you?

          If so, I have an organization of my own I would like you to join…

          • Frodis73

            Snickersnort!!

            • richelieu jr

              With all respect: That actress is arguably more responsible than any other person for Obama getting elected.

        • LongtimeLurker

          God, Lady Squash, that must have been so hard to go through. Well done to you.

          Yeah, I find the negativity about natural human feelings pretty disturbing.

          I’m glad you’re out.

          • daisy

            LL- It is totally on me. I am so sorry to offend you. I was making a joke. In fact you may have noticed I didn’t include you in the first place, but I thought your feelings might be hurt so I added you in .Please answer me. Are you angry with me?

            • LongtimeLurker

              I got this message.

              What are we talking about?

              I think I made a joke that didn’t come across, sorry darling.

              You’ve done nothing to offend.

            • daisy

              Oh thank rabbit ! I took your post seriously. You said that it was BS. that you pretended you were gay and it was on me. Of course it was on me. I thought you were angry for me suggesting other wise. I was sincere about adoring you, you have helped me so much. I often feel stupid surrounded by all of intelligence in the bunker, you have gone out of your way, to make me feel welcomed and valued. I was ready to find another blog . I hate confrontations and have managed to get myself in stew over the last 24 hrs. and I thought it was with you too. Thank you for getting back to me so quickly I have been doing housework and chores to quit worrying. Now I can go back to goofing off. Love ya.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Sweetheart, I was trying for a joke. My bad. I love you too.

              God – I’m so sorry you took it seriously, and I added to your upset.

              You had no way of knowing this, but if I’m ever upset with you, I’ll tell you politely and clamly and probably on an old thread in private.

              I would never talk to a friend like that except to joke.

              So, so sorry I added to your stress.

              I saw a little bit (not completely caught up yet) of what happened. Maybe pause and take a breath. I don’t think you’ve done anything wrong.

              Everyone loves you. Don’t feel stupid. You’re not. I’m a professional writer, it’s pretty easy to fake sounding smarter than I am.

              And don’t leave, although an occasional break is allowed ; ).

              The Bunker can be hard, but when it’s good it’s good.

              xoxoxoxox

            • daisy

              You made my day, than you. I was being to sensitive.

    • madame duran

      Hubbard the hypocrite. Not only did he allow himself–or rather, his ego–to feel or “agree to be” hurt (like when the medical establishment trashed Dianetics as unsound), he let the hurt fester and mushroom into a lifelong grudge that manifested itself in disturbing ways. Yet somehow his reaction isn’t regarded as a weakness or his fault. His hurt is “more real” than the hurts experienced by anyone else (including his followers) thus he’s justified to have that feeling. Meanwhile, Scientologists who are reeling from the emotional pain of disconnection are expected to become cold, emotionless robots in response to breaking up with loved ones. Depriving others the expression of feelings that he freely permitted himself to have is part of Hubbard’s cruelty and legacy of self-destruction.

  • I sure hope no Danish politicians were daft enough to be at the opening of the “ideal” narcCONon. Not when there’s a three part TV series spelling out what a bad thing the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology is …

    http://omtv2.tv2.dk/nyhedsartikler/nyhedsvisning/25/jeg-gav-20-aar-af-mit-liv-til-scientology/

    (Robert Dam and friends, including Mike Rinder)

  • valshifter

    Miscavige thinks he hit jack pot with NOI, but they will be his biggest enemies in the future, just wait and watch, once they realize they are being played they will hit him hard specially because these were a white mans idea to fool them like that.

  • BosonStark

    I’ve been thinking about the nearly 3-hour threat call. It’s been a while since Scientology got something in the Guinness Book. I believe their last claimed super-empowered Guinness record was a Dianutty pyramid consisting of over 10,000 copies of Dianutty in a bookstore somewhere in Asia. People are still talking about what an achievement for mankind that was, and its potential to become a major tourist destination.

    So maybe this is just the cult going for another Guinness record, for longest threat call by a Jewish businessman to a religion started by a science fiction writer.

    • salin

      I think they could get one for the lowest response rate ever to millions of PR mailers sent cold to the public, and sent to exes and any single time visitor.

      • BosonStark

        I’m not sure that they send mailers to the general public. For one thing, it would infuriate people and they’d be creeped out about how they got on the cult’s list. However, get on the list by taking a course or giving them or a front group your name and address, even if it was decades ago, the floodgates could open.

        • salin

          That’s a good question. I gathered from an interview with Nick Lester, who was being wooed to take a position doing PR at an org in Clear Water, that he was shown a portfolio with each mailing, number mailed, number or inquiries based on the mailing. He spoke of numbers like 30,000 mailed, and 2 responses.

          I worked from the assumption if 30k were mailed and only 2 responses were the result that the mailings were akin to sales cold calls. I could be mistaken on that assumption. Given your explanation – esp if going over decades per even once giving a front group your name, that would make sense as to how they might have had 30K for a mailing.

          None the less, still a horrendous response rate. (Woohoo for the 29,998 with the sense to pitch and ignore the mailings.)

  • richelieu jr

    Ha!
    Complete Operating Thetans should definitely be classified under Section 8, all right! For once I agree with that Fat Liar!

  • because I said so

    What the hell is happening to the comments section at this site? I’m happy that most people stay on the Scientology topic & participate in discussion but then I get half way down the page with the same idiots who can’t shut the hell up about the word panties or whatever rant their on putting peo other stupid beyond words bullshit. Why come here and say the same unfunny unintelligent & unnecessary narrative in as many different ways as possible? It’s after every story now. It’s like troll porn for narcissists and it doesn’t belong here. Has anyone noticed how off topic it becomes?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      How kind of you to come here, drop a comment, and leave without tidying up after yourself.

      What happens in the comment section of this site is what happens in any active, vibrant, on-line community. People will hash over the subject at hand, introduce related topics, and then (perhaps) engage in some other back-and-forth. There certainly are trolls who come here (usually after the thread has settled down) and try and leave a steaming pile or two intended to leave the impression that the whole place is just too, too distasteful. These comments are usually very awkwardly placed and easily identified as an attempt to leave a negative impression of the whole enterprise.

      Skillful users of Disqus know that the way to avoid extraneous chatter and get right to the “meat” of the discussion is to choose the “Best” setting and refresh. That way the most salient comments rise to the top, and anything that needs to be flushed away sinks to the bottom.

      Hope this helps.

      • Susan_Qbird_Poche

        There is also the ‘collapse thread’ option which also easily eliminates having to read about, say, panties, or any other Off Topic chit-chat. As always, it is your own personal choice as to what you want to read or not. Fairly simple really.

    • LongtimeLurker

      To add to Douglas and Susan’s points, it’s worth noting that this is a single comment thread out of…how many hundred since Tony started the site?

      If you’re a regular, you do The Bunker no favors by this misrepresentation of the reality.

      If you’re OSA, FLUNK!

      …as usual.