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Jon Atack: Looking back on a week of Scientology enturbulation in Toronto

Jon_AtackJon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and for more than a year on Saturdays he helped us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet. He was kind enough to send us a new post.

Jon, we regret that we could only attend the first two days of your conference in Toronto. But we’ve been looking forward to your post-game analysis. How did things go for you last week?

JON: Our Toronto seminar really did turn out to be a blessing. I arrived back home on Monday and thought I’d wade through the jet lag to sum up our wonderful conference, on this the hottest day of the year so far in merry old England.

We hope to have separate sessions available on Vimeo Pro soon for a few bucks a shot. My job was to prepare my own presentations and muster a dream team, so Professor Jim Beverley was landed with organizing the seminar. High definition filming – with a four man crew – and expenses for hotel, travel, food and so forth, left us seriously cash depleted. We are working on ways to recover those monies so will offer sessions as pay per view. There are 28 separate sessions and we have almost 29 hours of HD film.

Before we can publish, we must have the consent of all parties, and we intend to offer a royalty to all concerned. I am new to this field, so please bear with me while I sort out the details. If any of our readers has professional knowledge in this field, please be in touch. Donations are also gratefully received (and your name can be added to the Patrons Meretricious list posted on telegraph poles around the Blue Buildings).

After Jim’s introduction – he said he was in heaven – I opened the seminar with a Powerpoint show of some of Hubbard’s inflated claims about his youth. It is remarkable that enough material exists to show that Hubbard was a fabulist without turning to the extensive records. For instance, although he frequently claimed to be a “nuclear physicist,” a “scientist” and an “engineer” there is a telling passage in a recorded lecture, still published by the cult. In Introduction to Dianetics of 23 September 1950 (republished in 2007), Hubbard said: “The people were very impressed with atomic and molecular phenomena. And I took the course and of course flunked it.” This is exactly in accord with the transcripts of his studies released by George Washington University. Far from being a civil engineer or a nuclear physicist, Hubbard actually failed to graduate.

 
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[Andreas Heldal-Lund and Tory Christman]

 
In the same lecture, Hubbard explained the reality of his purported studies with gurus in India, China, Tibet, and China as a youth: “I was in the Orient when I was very young. Of course, I was a harum-scarum kid; I wasn’t thinking about deep philosophic problems.”

Hubbard would casually remark in his later years that his were the only discoveries in the fields of the mind and spirit in “50,000 years,” however, in the lecture he says of the notion of “unconscious recordings,” which is pivotal to Dianetics, that a “psychiatrist in 1914 did some experiments upon an unconscious person and recovered the content of that period of unconsciousness through hypnosis.” Later he says that he had met a biologist who “was doing a paper which was duplicating my work, but he was basing it on some work done in 1925.”

It was a boon that Gerry Armstrong was in the front row, correcting any error of fact on my part. He asked me to point out that the Sub-Chaser in which Hubbard had fought his valiant 55-hour battle with a magnetic deposit off the Oregon coast was actually the PC-815, not the YP-422 of which I showed a slide. Phew, imagine how my reputation would have sunk had this mistake been perpetuated! But it was genuinely helpful to be corrected. In my defense, it is 20 years since I was last engaged with the small print of Hubbard’s life, but there is no excuse for error and I have duly sent myself to Ethics.

We showed a new interview with the legendary Russell Miller, whose biography Bare-Faced Messiah is a classic (and thanks to Steve Jones for making the video. We hope to put the full version on line soon).

Gerry joined me on the stage to explain his own time in the cult up to the discovery of the 21 boxes of original material that were the beginning of the Hubbard Biography Project. Those boxes had followed Hubbard around the world, and included his baby boots and a whole heap of discreditable material.

 
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[Gerry Armstrong and Hana Whitfield]

 
Gerry also told us that he and Hubbard’s official biographer, Omar Garrison, restyled the Old Man of the Sea Org “Johnny Goodbugger,” conflating his fictional hero, Johnny Goodboy Tyler, with the evidence of his teenage appetite for gay sex. Hubbard’s homophobia is in stark contrast to the evidence of his own bisexual nature. The ritual to bring about the End Days, with Jack Parsons is a gay ceremony, and Robert Heinlein’s journals show that they too engaged in man-on-man sex.

We moved on to a brief history of Dianetics and Scientology. I described the emergence of Dianetics; Hubbard’s flight to Cuba after kidnapping his own daughter (and his threats to his bigamous second wife to murder the poor infant); the return and rescue by Don Purcell, who bought the rights to Dianetics to save Hubbard from liability for practising medicine without a license; and the bankruptcy of the Dianetics Foundations (Hubbard had gleefully blown all the money).

Hubbard attacked Purcell in a series of 31 letters sent to the stolen mailing list of the Wichita Foundation, so had to come up with a new subject out of whole cloth. He turned to the work of his “very good friend” — Aleister Crowley — and Scientology was born, using the visualization techniques of Magick in Theory and Practice, along with Crowley’s “past lives” and a few dollops of “space opera.” Hubbard had already borrowed the notion of the trauma of birth from Crowley for Dianetics (see my Possible Origins for Dianetics and Scientology for 120 detailed examples of Hubbard’s plagiarism).

Scientology languished – there were only 38 students at the Philadelphia “Doctorate” Course – until the Anderson Enquiry, in Victoria, Australia, in 1963, which led to a series of Enquiries (we failed to mention the one in Ontario) and tremendous publicity. Hana Whitfield joined me to talk about the origin of the Sea Org and her own often bizarre experiences.

 
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[Nan McLean, Paulette Cooper, Tony Ortega, and John McLean; Photo by Paul Noble]

John McLean gave an account of the use of ‘security checking’ by the Moroccan military, which resulted in the executions of at least ten officers. He carries the guilt for following Hubbard’s orders to this day, and I hope that his public statement helped to bring him relief. Such a charming and gentle man. The remarkable Nancy Many followed him onto the stage and told us something of her various high-ranking positions in Scientology.

Jesse Prince gave a hilarious and moving account of his own time as head of Scientology’s technology, including the content of the highest level of Scientology, OT VIII. I am helping Jesse with the redrafting of his astonishing memoir. After seeing him at Toronto, I would very much like to see a complete performance, because he is such a compelling and charismatic man with a hilarious and horrifying account of his time at the top of the Technology. We can look forward to his revelations from the confessionals Hubbard ordered him to give to David Miscavige (who cried before admitting skimming Hubbard’s money to use on gambling and whoring in Las Vegas, according to Jesse).

In the evening session, Nancy Many showed the compelling and terrifying docudrama of her own time in Scientology, Brainwashed. The last session was a Q&A (though not in any of the various conflicting senses given by Hubbard).

Day two began with a brief introduction to the Guardian’s Office. Let me emphasize that we were fairly careful not to stray into Ronspeak, so the seminar should be intelligible, and will be helpful as “paralleling” for members of other groups and the incredulous “never ins” who have adopted Scientology as a hobby.

 
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[Jamie DeWolf and Spanky Taylor]

 
I was then able to introduce two remarkable journalists. It has been my pleasure to know Paulette Cooper for many years, though we had only met in the flesh once before. She told us some tales that did not make it into Tony Ortega’s brilliant book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely. A Toronto exclusive, with poor Tony anxiously looking on so that the guilty and potentially litigious would not be named.

After two years of blogging on the Bunker, with Tony’s superb editorship, it was a tremendous pleasure to meet him and share the stage. The book has already progressed into its second printing, because sales have been so rapid. It joins the half dozen truly remarkable books written on this awful subject.

The first afternoon session was devoted to celebrities in Scientology. I made brief mention of Aldous Huxley – who lasted for just one Dianetics session under Hubbard’s direction (his daughter, Faith was not quite so lucky). The star of silent films, and Billy Wilder’s great Sunset Boulevard, Gloria Swanson, was also briefly involved. We hear about Cruise and Travolta, but it is worth remembering that for every star Scientologist, there are a dozen who have departed the fold, including Leonard Cohen and Van Morrison.

The delightful Spanky Taylor told us about her close relationship with “Johnny” Travolta. Nancy Many talked about her “post” running the Celebrity Centres. There were many kind words about Yvonne Gilham-Jentsch, who charmed so many into Scientology and always side-stepped Hubbard’s abusive policies. The charming Nora Crest told us about her time at CC with amusing anecdotes and the inevitable doublethink instilled by Hubbard’s directions.

We then had a quick crack at the “religion angle” with insights from Professor Jim (who has written 14 books, so should know). The consensus seemed to be that if the believers treat it as a religion, then it is one. However, it is a bad religion. I take Professor Urban’s view, that it has taken on the form of religion deliberately. Ron Hubbard did not have a religious bone in his body. When the great Lord Denning ruled against Scientology’s religious status in England, in the 60s, he pointed out that there is no act of worship, unless you include the worship of Hubbard; and we have all seen examples of that. He certainly wanted to be viewed as a god, as the original (and hastily withdrawn) OT VIII demonstrates. In his last years, the only statistic that really interested Hubbard was how many minutes the faithful applauded his photograph at the end of an “event.”

 
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[Jesse Prince]

 
I missed the evening sessions. For some reason, there was a queue of people who wanted to talk to me, throughout the seminar, so every day began at breakfast and wasn’t done until my head hit the pillow. Almost Sea Org hours, but worth every minute.

Wednesday began with a model of undue influence presented by the eminent Steven Hassan. Steve and I have been friends since first we met in 1989. More recently, we’ve helped to create the Open Minds Foundation to foster research and education into the broad impacts of undue influence on society. I have moved the focus of my work back from Scientology to these broader impacts – gangs, radicalization, human trafficking and other cults – which I’ve been researching for 20 years now, but will continue to use Scientology to exemplify all that is worst in social influence.

This was only the second time that we have worked together, but, as Steve has said in the new edition of his classic Combating Cult Mind Control, it is the beginning of a long collaboration. No one knows more about hypnosis and suggestion than Steve (even more than Hubbard!).

After Steve’s excellent presentation we moved to a demonstration of Scientology training routines and auditing, to show Hubbard’s deliberate use of hypnosis and influence (if you haven’t read my Never Believe a Hypnotist, this would be a good moment to dash off and find it). We were gamely assisted by Chris Shelton – as the coach and auditor – and also eminent Christian Szurko – as the victim. Both added their own comments. There was much amusement as Christian tamed an ashtray for Training Routine 8.

The afternoon began with accounts of second generation membership from Nora Crest and Chris Shelton. Unfortunately, we were not able to find a volunteer who had been brought up in the Sea Org. I’ve interviewed many over the years, and been horrified at the neglect all have suffered. Nora and Chris each had at least one sensible parent, so have recovered more easily. Many children were simply abandoned in the Sea Org, so had no real model of care-giving and exhibit induced Asperger’s Syndrome in later life. It is still remarkable how well most have coped, denied compassion throughout childhood, and one of the dearest people I’ve ever met was a second generation Sea Org member.

 
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[Nan McLean and Jon Atack]

 
Tory Christman – the rock star of ex-Scientology – spoke of the cult’s attempt to stop her from taking her life-saving anti-epilepsy medication. Back at the first Advanced Org, in Edinburgh, in 1968, James Stewart was not so lucky. He was assigned lower conditions after a grand mal seizure, and committed suicide. Fortunately for us all, Tory refused the cult’s idiotic demand. It is worth remembering that neither Hubbard nor Miscavige ever stopped taking their anti-asthma medication (and that both smoked).

The afternoon closed with a new video presentation by the great Lawrence Wollersheim, who created a legal precedent after over 20 years in court and collected millions in “thin dimes” from the cult, despite Miscavige’s solemn promise that he would never be paid (so much for his “Tone 40 intention”). To his immense credit, Wollersheim has poured most of his resources into the remarkable FACTnet, the very first online database of applied coercive psychology (I had the honour of its presidency, back in 1993, and mention the remarkable creator of the database, Bob Penny, at every opportunity).

The evening began with a show by Hubbard’s great-grandson, the celebrated Jamie DeWolf. With the first line, I was already reminded of Raymond Chandler, and there were resonances of Tom Waits, Spalding Grey, and Bill Hicks in his truly magnificent performance. Go out and see him if ever you can. He is a genius. I wish I’d seen his Holy Shit! Show in honor of Paulette Cooper and Tony Ortega in San Francisco on May 22, which was superlative by all accounts.

Gerry Armstrong wound up the third day. Sadly, I was once again called away, so I’ll have to wait until the editing is done to find out what he said. I’m sure it was measured and relevant, however, given my 30-year friendship with this delightful man.

Thursday began with my dear friend, Professor Alexander Dvorkin. We met 20 years ago, when Scientology had contracted to train personnel in a Russian nuclear silo (so much for Hubbard’s Soviet phobia!). It may be that we all owe our lives to the good professor’s intervention. While harassment has diminished in the West, it continues in the old school style in eastern Europe, where Professor Dvorkin has countered cults for 23 years. I hope that the seminar will lead to greater interest in the turmoil created by Scientology in those vast territories.

 
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[Jonny Jacobsen, Tony Ortega, and Steve Cannane; Photo by Tory Christman]

 
Steve Cannane contacted me a few years ago. He is an ABC TV journalist who became fascinated by Scientology after interviewing victims of the cult. He gave my favourite interview of me when we met at the FECRIS conference in May, 2013.

Steve’s fascination led him to research a book on Scientology in Australia. Long ago, I read the Anderson Report, but Steve has sifted through the extensive testimony and dug out records from far and wide. He read a chapter from his upcoming book, which shows that Hubbard’s refusal to make a trivial refund led to the Scientology ban in three of Australia’s six states. Such lack of judgment is a commonplace for the great OT. Steve also showed us a letter from Hubbard to a local police chief, where he claimed to have been the “Provost Marshall of Korea.” The man really had no shame.

I’ve known Jonny Jacobsen since 1992, when he wrote his first article about the dread cult. Although we’ve become good friends, we had not met before, and he is every bit as delightful in person as he is by email and on the phone. I find this is often the case with Social Personalities or “SPs” (as opposed to Anti-Social Personalities, or “ASPs” like Hubbard).

Jonny works on an international news desk in Paris, but spends his few idle hours hosting Infinite Complacency and keeping abreast of the scene in continental Europe. He explained something of the complexities of the French actions against the cult. One day, we hope to see his book about the cult.

In the afternoon, I gave a brief preamble about front groups, starting with the wonderful Hubbard quotation: “Remember, CHURCHES ARE LOOKED UPON AS REFORM GROUPS. Therefore we must act like a reform group.” After all, as he said, to become anything, all you have to do is assume the “beingness” (play pretend, in simple English). As we all know by now, he assumed the “beingness” of a great philosopher and liberator of mankind without actually contributing anything by catastrophe to his followers (unless you count the hypnotic euphoria that trapped so many of us, and our “cognitions” that his half-baked ideas were credible).

 
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[Paulette Cooper and Len Zinberg]

 
I showed the Bridge to the Bridge, which defies all of Narconon’s claims to separation from the cult, along with Lt Col Mark Jones’s declaration showing that he ran Narconon on behalf of the Guardian’s Office of the Church of Scientology (Hubbard even awarded him a free course). I also pointed out that the “founder” of Narconon, William Benitez, returned to prison for heroin possession after his supposed release from addiction.

This introduced David Miller, Jon Little, and Katherine Villanueva who are determinedly bringing the activities of Narconon to the courts, ably assisted by Mary McConnell. Ryan Hamilton sent his best wishes, but was too busy with depositions to attend.

The second session was given to a patient deconstruction of Hubbard’s patently unscientific claims for the Purification Rundown by toxicologist, Angela Harris, PhD. There simply is no evidence to support Hubbard’s claims and no attempt at scientific verification has been made in the almost 40 years since they were first presented. We do not know how many lives have been devastated by this pseudo-science, but I have it on good authority that two people died on the first Purification Rundown at Saint Hill. A chap I knew, who was a black belt in two martial arts and had a sharp wit was reduced to a wheelchair and incapable of forming a sentence when I saw him after the Rundown, when I was still a member.

We then showed a video by Arnaud Palisson, an advisor to the French establishment and author of a book about the cult. Palison explained the approach taken by legal authorities in France and suggested that existing fraud laws could better be used to halt the cult. It was a measured and detailed presentation.

Simonetta Po has been the scourge of Scientology in Italy. She spoke on video about her courageous work. Although she was only briefly involved with the cult, she was horrified at its activities. In the early 1980s, Milan Org alone had 200 staff members, Scientology is now in ruins in Italy, and Simonetta had much to do with this. Sadly, she is now under attack from a counter-cult group, and it was good to hear from board member, Professor Dvorkin, that he will investigate her complaint that this group is still part of the FECRIS network.

We recently published Simonetta’s fine translation of my Let’s sell these people A Piece of Blue Sky – Vendiamogli un pezzo di cielo blu. I’m open to offers from other translators, too.

We finished the day with Gerry Armstrong’s rebuttal of defamatory material given to Professor Beverley only a week before the seminar opened by representative of the Guardian’s Office of Special Affairs (GOSA). Gerry then admonished me from the stage for refusing to treat my own stand against the cult as a “war.” I thought about responding from the podium, but instead spent half an hour the next morning explaining that however foolish my determination not to have enemies may be, it has served me well these last three decades. I imagine that we shall have to agree to differ on this point, but we will likely remain good friends, despite our different conceptualisation.

 
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[Spike Robinson, Gerry Armstrong, Jim Beverley, Jon Atack, Paulette Cooper, and Pete Griffiths; Photo by Paul Noble]

 
Our final day began with a discussion of violence in Scientology, focusing on David Miscavige’s frequent brutality. Nora Crest and Chris Shelton gave accounts of physical attacks visited upon them while they were on staff (though not by Miscavige, whose activities are detailed in excellent books by Jefferson Hawkins and Marc Headley). This behaviour has become endemic. Hubbard too was known to take a swing at people when enraged, but, despite his purported supernatural powers, he was a puny weakling, so did little harm. Miscavige is more of a Philadelphia street tough, and, like Hubbard, can strike his juniors with impunity. Professor Beverley made some insightful comments about the nature of the cult during this session.

I showed the assembly some excerpts from Scientology’s favoured sales manual, Big League Sales Closing Techniques, along with a few Hubbard quotes (all can be found in my last publication, on Amazon, Scientology: the Cult of Greed, along with some of the juiciest anti-religious statements. Buy Now!). Nora Crest then told us about recruiting and the hard sell philosophy.

The afternoon began with a session on recovery. Hana Whitfield spoke about her extensive experience of exit-counseling, with her remarkable husband, Jerry. Hana is currently working on her own biography, which will be a must read, where she will explain their highly successful approach.

The redoubtable Nan McLean shared some of her experiences, including an especially dreadful encounter with deprogrammer Ted Patrick. Nan left the cult before I had even joined (and that was over 40 years ago, despite my youthful good looks). She stood up resolutely and at a time of maximum harassment. I cannot overstate the admiration that I feel for this courageous woman.

 
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[Spanky Taylor, Paulette Cooper, and Hana Whitfield]

 
Christian Szurko has been helping cult members for almost four decades and shared his superb model with us. I have known Christian since 1987 and we are close friends. I have always been impressed by his gentle nature, his intelligence and the sheer concern that he emanates for others. So very different from the average Scientology auditor (he doesn’t “confront” people, either). Christian is one of the most experienced counselors in the known universe. He is also a founder member of the Open Minds Foundation, and I will be interviewing him for our soon to be launched website.

I made my own comments about post-exit recovery. As readers at the Bunker know, I place emphasis upon examining the tenets of the cult: Which of the beliefs bear scrutiny? All too often, ex-members simply prune away the Hubbard redefinitions, leaving the concepts in place, which is like cutting away the shaft of the arrow, but leaving the barb implanted. It is necessary not only to shed the loaded language (including Hubbard’s own preferred terms for himself, such as “LRH”) but to examine the concepts and decide which have value and which do not.

Gerry Armstrong has taken issue, on his website, with my statement that we had “killed” Scientology with the seminar. Let me clarify: the Borg still exists and Miscavige is still breathing (with the help of his inhaler); however no-one who watches the full footage of our seminar will be able to maintain any belief in the pseudo-science of Scientology. The spirit of Scientology is dead. It has “gone exterior.” The body may take centuries to follow, but the “Age of Expansion” has been succeeded by the “Age of Contraction”. I said that in terms of Hubbard’s “cycle of action” the clut is now beyond “conservation” and in “decay”. I was asked how I knew this and pointed out the bad smell. I sincerely believe that if Gerry, Lawrence Wollersheim and I had not intervened the cult might have swelled considerably in size. It is now at its least since the mid-60s – at around 25,000 – and it will continue to shrink around its raging leader.

The seminar closed with some words from David Pike, administrator at FACTnet, about his own membership of the dreadful Twelve Tribes, including a plea from a former member of that group; and a statement by Andreas Heldal-Lund, who has done so very much to help former members with Operation Clambake at Xenu.net.

The evening before, Andreas was eulogising former Scientologists, saying we are the best people he has ever met. It was easy to return the compliment, given the stalwart work of Tilman Hausherr, Karin Spaink, the webmasters at Dialog Centre Berlin and Andreas – none of whom had any skin in the game, but all of whom stood up to the depredations of the cult. It is worth mentioning former members Bob Penny, Lawrence Wollersheim, Dennis Erlich and Arnie Lerma in this same breath, all of whom have shown remarkable valour.

I think Nora Crest best summed up the seminar by saying that she had healed more in five days than in the last five years, and had at last had a good night’s sleep. We banished demons (or perhaps body-satans), and the overall mood was of relief and even exultation. I met many new friends. One good looking woman even came up and told me that I’m much more handsome than my photos on the Bunker (you must stop putting that toad by my blogs, Tony), but I was distracted by Jamie DeWolf’s praise before I could grab her contact details.

The amazing Spike Robinson flew in (leaving her passport behind her) and managed the conference, ensuring that sessions ran on time and that we all did as we were told. She was indefatigable and a constant source of support and encouragement. I think she slept even less than I did. The only disappointment during the whole week was the hotel’s inability to turn off the muzak, so Spike was unable to perform her wicked satires on the cult. Luckily, many can be found on line. She is incredibly talented and a truly sweet, caring person. The best of the best.

It was a great privilege to join the company of so many heroic people. I’d also like to thank Len Zinberg for first editions of two Hubbard novels, including Triton, where he boasted of his love of hypnotism on the dust sheet. Len is such a sweet person. Betsy from the Bunker also provided great support (including ironing and free grub) and intelligent and amusing conversation. It was a pleasure to meet Pierre and so many others, too: quite wonderful.

Students, members from other groups, never ins – a splendid time was had by all; so much so that we have decided to celebrate the 20th anniversary of Operation Clambake in Stavanger, next year.

And, finally, Jim Beverley has spent the 15 months since I agreed to speak regaling me with his various proofs of God (for instance, that we have 7 miles of blood vessels in every pound of fat; though he originally offered 7,000). Although I am an unbeliever (at least in the conventional sense – don’t ask!), if there was ever a proof of God it is the calm cheerfulness with which this truly gentle man meets every circumstance. We owe him a great debt, and he, in turn, owes the bank a great debt. I, for one, will do everything I can to ensure that he at least breaks even for offering us the great boon that was the Toronto blessing.

In the words of our Founder and Source: Thank-you for listening!

THE BUNKER: Thank you, Jon. And here’s a little Toronto bonus for everyone. Organizers tell us that this gentlemen was filming things with a mini-camera, raising the suspicions of one of the journalists attending the event. When the reporter followed the man out, he attempted to double back and get a photo of the journo. So it appeared to be pretty classic Scientology private investigator behavior. Anyone recognize the man?

 
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Miss Lovely on parade

Cindy Plahuta took Miss Lovely on a hike in Colorado! And it’s less than two weeks before we finally get to meet Cindy — and Claire Headley, who took this photo!

 
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Miss Lovely at the beach!

 
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Tell us about your Independence Day

Former members of the Church of Scientology, we love hearing about how you broke free. Let’s resurrect a July 4 tradition and hear about how long ago you walked away from the church and how you managed to do it. Let freedom ring!

 
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Live reports from Colombia

We’ve hooked up with a local journalist in Bogotá, and we’ll be getting some live reports from the newest Ideal Org opening there tomorrow after about 1 pm Eastern. Will Tom Cruise actually show up to help David Miscavige open Scientology’s newest cathedral, as they did together in Madrid way back in 2004? We’ll soon find out.

 
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BOOK NOTES
3D-Unbreakable
We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Our upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
July 12: Washington DC, Center for Inquiry (with Paulette Cooper)

July 14: Hartford, MARK TWAIN HOUSE (with Tom Tomorrow)

July 17: Denver, The Secular Hub, 7 pm (with Chris Shelton)

July 20: Dallas, Times Ten Cellar, 7 pm (with Robert Wilonsky)

July 22: Houston, Fox and Hound, 11470 Westheimer Road, sponsored by Humanists of Houston

July 24: San Antonio, Folc Restaurant/Park Social, 6 pm

July 25: Austin

July 29: Paris, Le Bistrot Landais, 19:00 (with Jonny Jacobsen)

August 4: London, Conway Hall, (with John Sweeney)

August 24: Boston, Boston Skeptics in the Pub, 7 pm (with Gregg Housh)

Sept 15: Arizona State University

Sept 23: Cleveland

Sept 24: Minneapolis

Sept 27: Portland

Sept 28: Seattle

Sept 30: Vancouver, BC

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on July 4, 2015 at 07:00

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  • flyonthewall

    the earth goes around the sun
    tra lalalala la la

    • Supper Powers

      Are you OK, Fly? I’m worried about you.

      • flyonthewall

        Fly is going through a new and previously unknown stage of metamorphosis right now. Do not fret.

        Also, Fly has been called the song bird of his generation, so yeah, there’s that

  • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

    I think today was the best ever from Atack, although he is stiff competition for himself.
    Every day that goes by, I realize that Hubbard was crazier than I thought the day before.
    Never would I have the patience to be a consummate researcher like Jon is.
    My hat is off to you.

  • Robert Hammond

    Was this article written by a Delphi graduate?

    “Problem: Inconceivable” star “on shaky flooring” and other hilarious translation errors on Tom Cruise article: http://worldnewss.net/tom-cruise-leaving-scientology-what-prompted-his-faith-to-be-on-shaky-flooring/

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    Rinder’s post today is hilarious.

    Quoting a fundraising e-mail:

    Did you know that a tribal village was located on the bank of a particular*rolleyes* river for over 900 years.[snip]

    So why would they move the village after all that time to relocate it inland away from the river?

    The answer is because in the new location they have an INTERNET SIGNAL that allows them to connect to the rest of the world.[snip]

    I’m sure when you see it that you will agree these two little guys could be looking at a Scientology site or in the future a program for children or website so they can learn.

    Yeah, I’m sure that the first concern of a community 900 years removed from the rest of civilization would be internet access. Unlike, I don’t know, reliable access to food and medical care, technical knowledge about agricultural productivity and other community sustaining efforts.

    The very funny bit is the circular nonsensical assumption that citizens of the tribal village would have the literacy required to specifically seek out scientology’s learning programs.

    • Jimmy3

      But the tragedy is that, right after they move their civilization to reach the Internet and discover Scientology, they won’t be able to use the Internet anymore. They might as well move back to the river.

      • flyonthewall

        IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Unless they find pr0n first.

        Ah-ha!

        • Jimmy3

          “Okay, now type in: BIG BEINGS + THETANS + ARC”

          Villager types in BIG BE PLUS THITIS PLUS ARS

          Did you mean: “Big titties plus ass?”

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            What heck, I feel lucky.

      • Snake Plissken

        In less than a year they went from living by a river to living in the Hole.

    • Snake Plissken

      “Reply to this email and I’ll send you the picture.”

      Ron might not have known what the internet was but that didn’t stop him from inventing …

      Spambot Internet Mail Order Bride Scam Tech

    • ze moo

      No matter what they do, they are up the well known creek without a paddle….

    • “citizens of the tribal village would have the literacy required to specifically”

      I think you mean “citizens of the tribal village would have the money required to specifically”

  • Todd Tomorrow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qMFBqCeAc8
    His,”Don’t you love her madly..”

    • jazzlover

      Yo, Todd, it might be worth noting that the man who recorded that album was, by all accounts, quite the eccentric. He started the ESP label (so named because of his infatuation with Esperanto) in Brooklyn which turned into a beacon of sorts for avant-garde jazz — a way for under-recorded and under-recognized fire breathers to express their displeasure with life in America during the height of the civil rights movement in the 60s. He just recently passed in April. His name was Bernard Stollman. Recording Manson was just one of the first signs that he wasn’t all there 🙂

  • Tory Christman

    “JON: Our Toronto seminar really did turn out to be a blessing.” Soooo very true,Jon, and thank you for the most excellent summary. 🙂

    “Tory Christman – the rock star of ex-Scientology – spoke of the cult’s
    attempt to stop her from taking her life-saving anti-epilepsy
    medication. Back at the first Advanced Org, in Edinburgh, in 1968, James
    Stewart was not so lucky. He was assigned lower conditions after a
    grand mal seizure, and committed suicide. Fortunately for us all, Tory
    refused the cult’s idiotic demand. It is worth remembering that neither
    Hubbard nor Miscavige ever stopped taking their anti-asthma medication
    (and that both smoked).”

    I greatly appreciate your kind words! I’m so sorry to hear about James Stewart. In 1989 (with OT 4-8 paid for) I was “ordered off of the Flag Land base”. I knew it had to do with my medication, did the Robert DeNiro “Taxi Driver” line of “You talkin’ to ME? Are you talking to ME?”

    The 16 year old “MAA” went into doubt….got the “D of P” (Director of Processing) and all changed soon after that.

    I did not find out until I escaped out in 2000 that someone else with Epilepsy had died at Flag right before I had arrived in 1989, after being taken off of his medication. Thankfully—I am a fighter, and I fought for my life. (And I’ll always thank my Mom and Dad for giving me that courage).

    Thank you to you, Jon, Tony O and ALL here!! 🙂 You save lives, whether you know it or not.
    🙂
    Tory/Magoo

    PS: Again…I did not find out until after I escaped out of $cientology that both Hubbard
    AND Miscavige took medications, and Hubbard was on some serious drugs, too.

    • Robert Hammond

      Thanks for your story Tory. You have helped save many lives as more people begin to see the Light and gain their freedom to think for themselves.

      Glad I had a chance to briefly meet you and Spanky Taylor at the San Francisco event with Tony, Paulette, and Jamie DeWolf.

      • Tory Christman

        Thank you, Robert! I enjoyed meeting you, too! Enjoy Canada 🙂

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Scientology Ethics Officer on American Independence:
    What were the crimes of those who signers of the declaration of independence? Why were they critical of King George?

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      “Leave George aloooooooooone!”

      • jazzlover

        That’s something Yankee fans kept screaming during the run of titles in the 90s 🙂 They were wrong.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Actually, mental problems aside, King George III has a reputation outside the U.S. of being a pretty decent king. The colonists took issue with the actions of a parliament which acted in George’s name.

      • flyonthewall

        you know what we do with monarchist apologists in the Bunker?

        • jazzlover

          I attended King George College. Am I a “monarch apologist”?

          • flyonthewall

            idk, but if it does then it would mean I would be obliged to invite you to a bbq and give you all the meat, coleslaw and beer you can consume. Then shoot off some fireworks with you and show off my new riding lawnmower. Before you go home, we would slap each other on the back and promise to do it again next year.

            • jazzlover

              Sounds good to me, but only if ya let me test drive the John Deere 🙂

            • flyonthewall

              ok but be warned, I will shoot bottle rockets at you while laughing my ass off

            • jazzlover

              I will bring my musket, then.

            • flyonthewall

              Jesus, I was just messing around, I wasn’t gonna hurt you. Now you’re gonna shoot me with a musket!? Those things are not toys. I’m just going to have to frisk you before you come in.

            • jazzlover

              LOL

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          If you aim at the king, you best not miss.

          • flyonthewall

            What’s he going to do? Throw a peanut butter and banana sandwich at me? Run me over in his giant Cadillac? I’m so scared

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              …That was a Wire reference, not serious.

            • flyonthewall

              i seriously don’t know why i even bother sometimes

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              🙁

            • flyonthewall

              well, u know if I have to explain the joke then it wasn’t a good one *shrug*

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Does he wear blue suede shoes?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        You could smell his gout ridden leg before he got to your part of the castle.

    • flyonthewall

      I have a feeling Tonto would love to address this question. Last I heard he escaped from his gas station restroom reservation in Arizona and is now leader of an underground radical cell of AIM activists. If we hear from him, which I doubt we will, it will probably be too late.

  • SP Wogsy

    Happy 4th to all the brave exes who had the courage to leave this wretched fraud of a group. And as always thanks to Tony,Jon, and all the luminaries who spoke at this event. Ok back to margaritas and American Ninja Warrior with the fam bam. Stay safe everyone and another Happy Birthday to Todd Tomorrow. Cheers! F5

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Thanks, I appreciate you!

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Happy Birthday Todd!! *refresh for cake*

        • Sherbet

          Get them dang birds offa Todd’s cake.

      • aegerprimo

        HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Born on the 4th of July. So cool.

      • Pierrot

        Let’s party, Nola, the round is on Red X
        Anon Dance by Shoopz flickred by AegerPrimo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14030700007/in/album-72157642802079293/

      • jazzlover
      • wutangclam(‘sup)

        Happy Birthday bro.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Thanks, it’s gonna be a great year!

      • seriouslyWTF

        Happy Birthday Todd!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Thanks so much. Special, special what do you get another year older and deeper in debt!

  • nottrue
    • Robert Hammond

      Yes, she is free indeed. Carmen has taken the high road by telling the truth and helping others see the Light.

  • postulating a little bit more enturbulation on twitter…..

    pic

    • arcinva

      Man, you are on top of things! Nicely done.

  • ze moo

    To really celebrate Independence day, consider donating to the “Patrons Meretricious list posted on telegraph poles around the Blue Buildings.” And subsidize the videos of the Toronto conference.

    And/or buy the newest edition of Jon’s book.

    http://www.amazon.com/Lets-these-people-Piece-ebook/dp/B00BF385HG/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1360952647&sr=1-2

    And don’t believe that for one minute that Tom Cruise is human enough to really care about his little daughter and escape $cienoland. DLHDM owns his soul and won’t ever let it go.

  • nottrue

    Got its ribbion on ……[ Bogota ]

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Ugh. Not the ugly bows again. Those things are hideous.

      • Pierrot

        Surely they are recycling them. it is the most well traveled idle ribbon.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      If I throw a Bud Light bottle at it, is that vandalism or launching the so-called vessel?

    • Mark

      I predict severe bow-flop: there’s heavy rain and thunderstorms forecast for Bogotá tomorrow 🙂

      • flyonthewall

        flop or flap?

        • Mark

          Flap first, then flop, I hope.

          • EmmaDaoust

            And fly.

        • jeff

          The whole thing will goof the floof

      • ReallyMGM

        Maybe the sky God will conjur up some lightning near by!

        • Mark

          Fulmen Jovis invocamus!

    • Juicer77

      So they’re going to release that thing and…. wait for it to fall and kill someone?!?

    • Ella Raitch

      It looks like a 1970’s town council building (and not in a cool retro way)

  • SarahDB

    I’m a Co$ never-in but I was involved in a fanatical religious movement in my twenties that was working towards world peace for more than 10 years. I had a leadership position by the time I stepped away with other members to look after but I was not following the lengthy daily practice anymore and felt like a hypocrite/pretender. After I left I discovered all the free time I had been devoting to the cause and was able to re-balance my life fairly quickly. Grateful it wasn’t as destructive as the Co$. I think part of the reason I hang out here is to learn more about that side of me that would join a movement like that.

    • jazzlover

      You’re not alone. I never joined any cult/movement, but I think we’ve all got a side that would join one at some point in our lives. Everybody’s always lookin’ for something………………..

    • Robert Hammond

      Thanks for your story, Sarah. I was in another cult as well as a few other new age self help groups. Glad you got out to discover how much more there is to life than giving away all your time and money to some self-appointed know-it-all. Good to see other people find freedom of mind.

      • SarahDB

        Glad to see you free as well Robert.

      • outraged

        I was also in another cult – Lifespring. I picked up my life and moved across the country after I graduated college. Worked for them 24/7, found out I was jumping at the sound of a telephone so I quit. Drove down the coast of California and went back to work for the same cult. Then traveled back across the country to open their office in NYC. I finally finally left because I was fired, which was the best thing that ever happened to me. This cult blew up like a volcano in my life and changed the direction forever.

        But….I met my husband because of someone who I met thru the cult. So….there is always a silver lining. It took me years and years to get over the trauma from this cult. In fact, I still have PTSD symptoms all these years later. People died, families split up, friends were lost. All for what? Self-awareness? I don’t think so. It was Power. Power corrupts everyone.

        It wasn’t until LAST year I found out that John Hanley who started Lifespring knew Hubbard. And by then I was already a part of the Down With Scientology Never-Ins. I wrote all this up on ESMB on a topic called Lifespring last year. It is so hard not to wonder what I would be doing now if I hadn’t derailed my life all those years ago. BUT….I am happy, living with my wonderful family, in a lovely house, with much to do in life. That is all I could ever ask for.

        • Robert Hammond

          I was involved in est, which was the precursor of Lifespring. Much of the same “tech” and process jargon. Werner Erhard got most of his stuff straight from Hubbard.

          So many other similar offshoots, including Landmark Forum, Eckankar, Avatar, Access Consciousness, Sedona Method, Releasing Technique and countless others. All basically the same false Belief Systems (BS). Just different buzz words and packaging.

          Things have a way of working out, though, if one continues seek the truth and remain willing to admit when one is on the wrong path. It’s not so easy to see while still involved. It takes stepping back and looking at things from all sides. Hearing other people’s stories helps as well.

          I’ve found this site very helpful in that regard. Steve Hassan’s Freedom of Mind site, Rick Ross’s Cult Education Institute, Skeptic’s Dictionary, and Science Based Medicine have also been helpful with putting things in perspective and developing critical thinking skills.

          Glad you made it out and you have a wonderful life with people you love. That’s what matters most. Love wins!

    • arcinva

      Would you mind if I asked what cult? It’s totally cool if you don’t want to share. I’m just a curious person. 🙂

      • SarahDB

        No I don’t mind, although I’m not sure about the cult label. It’s a form a Buddhism called Nicheren Shoshu that came to the US from Japan. It has a daily practice of chanting that I used to do twice a day to bring forth my “buddha nature” as well as introducing people to the religion with the ultimate goal of a peaceful world. I got a lot out of the practice, but I wasn’t so great at chanting every day, then felt guilty I wasn’t doing the entire practice correctly, especially as a leader. That is what made me leave, but I have incorporated many of the beliefs into my own brand of spirituality. Most recently I have been investigating feminine/goddess power and using that with meditation…works for me 🙂

        • arcinva

          Was it the “original strain” of Nichiren Shoshu or was it the Soka Gakkai offshoot? And have you explored other schools of Buddhism?

          • SarahDB

            You are certainly well informed! It was the Soka Gakkai International (SGI), the lay organization, but things got strange when the priests and SGI had a falling out and each decided they were the only way. I muddled along in SGI for a while after that but got pretty turned off by the rift and the “they said/did this” countered by “well they said/did that” nonsense. Here in the US, people made a choice to follow one or the other. Not sure the status of either group now. How do you know about it?

            ETA: don’t really think it has all the criteria to be a cult though, just rather fanatical.

            • arcinva

              Honestly, not a whole lot. I hadn’t heard of Nichiren Shoshu so I looked it up on Wikipedia and that’s where I saw Soka Gakkai referenced, which I HAD heard of and read a little bit on. I remembered that it was a little controversial with the question of whether it’s a cult having been raised. I’ve always been very curious about various religions and cults which is got me into CoS-watching.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Sunday, 05 July 2015

    Good day Bunkeroos and Bunkerites,

    4th of July, to all our US friends : Happy Independence Day , have a marvellous week end.

    The week’s scores and RedX links: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-121#post-2544297

    The richest scientologist in the world get a new trophy!
    This article by Tony on Bobby D. had only 3 recommended red hearts this early morning, it now has 25 red hearts and is well buried away in google search, do link to it daily and if you have not done it click the heart
    red. http://tonyortega.org/2014/11/28/the-richest-scientologists-in-the-world-get-a-new-trophy/

    F5… Relax by SookieSookie. for RedX and flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16789216215/in/set-72157642802079293

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    Off-Topic: You learn something new from Cracked every day. Even people who practice competent science can found crazy religions…

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      And another…

    • No beans? Well, no Sea Org for him!

  • beauty for ashes

    I love reposting this video. If you haven’t heard Jon Atack speak, you’re missing a great part of the man. He has a lovely lyrical quality to his voice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM_kWQAR0iY

    • SP Wogsy

      The sound of his voice is like a lullaby to my ears.

      • beauty for ashes

        If we could get Andrea, (ibetty) to interview Jon Atack, while petting kittens I think I would squee.

        • Robert Hammond

          Good idea, beauty! That would be a wonderful combination indeed.

    • Robert Hammond

      Thanks for posting this, beauty. Excellent video. Steve has quite a few good resources on his website. I highly recommend everybody checking them out here: https://freedomofmind.com//Media/videos.php

      • beauty for ashes

        My pleasure!

  • Little David

    Here’s a photo of Tom Cruise, David Miscavige AND SHELLY at the 2004 Madrid dedication:

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      And Tommy.

      • ReallyMGM

        OT: But I miss the dramatic genius of Philip Seymour Hoffman. His loss is such a tragedy.

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          Me to, Really. Me too.
          The world needs to listen to more speeches about the “suck zone.”

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    666 comments. Let’s make that 667.

    • Robert Hammond

      OK.

  • Robert Hammond

    Hope everybody’s having a wonderful Independence Day and spending time with people you love. Life can be beautiful when you are free.

    • jazzlover

      Otherwise known as the “Real Source” 🙂 My dad grew up right around the corner from where Satch lived out his later years.

    • jeff

      Unfortunately, that song will forever be linked in my mind to the film Good Morning Vietnam and will mean the opposite of its original intent. I have to choke back tears every time I hear it.

  • aegerprimo

    Freedom.

    My exit from Scientology, when I became free of the cult, has no exact date or defined time frame. It was gradual. I became enamored with Scientology quickly. I did a couple of courses and after a couple of months dropped out of college, quit my job and joined the Sea Org.

    I only lasted 3 years in the Sea Org. I got married while in, and we decided together to leave. We “routed out” which is the legit way of leaving the Sea Org and maintaining good standing as a Scientologist. We relocated to Los Angeles so we could live near “Big Blue”, the hot-seat of Scientology.

    Both of us had professional skills in engineering, so it did not take long for us to pay off our “freeloader’s debt” (the bill ex-Sea Org members get charged for all Scientology services done while in, i.e. courses, auditing, specialty training, etc.). We became “affluent” and “upstat” Scientologists (we made good money and had good credit). After thatiIt did not take long for our credit cards to get maxed, and get into a whole lot of financial trouble, including a large amount owed to the IRS for back income taxes, and so much more. This is a common predicament for Scientologists.

    I argued a lot with my ex and did not think it right to get into such bad financial trouble to “go up the Bridge” (do the steps Scientologists do to get super powers or perfect memory or whatever). The fighting got worse, so we sought out marriage counseling help at “Big Blue”.

    After many hours of “counseling” (Scientology sec-checking) I was even more positive we had irreconcilable differences. I demanded a divorce.
    Even before the divorce was final, most of our Scientologist friends stopped talking to me, but remained friends with my ex. I was lucky that happened because I made new friends with people who never heard of Scientology except that it was that weird thing that Tom Cruise was part of.

    I loved my new friends, they were REAL people. They cared about me and I cared about them. During this time I re-established a close relationship with my mother, and my sister. My mother asked me several times over the years after my divorce “are you still involved with Scientology?” I told her NO, even though I still thought Scientology was the answer to – life, the universe, and everything.

    I started dating, and steered way clear of Scientologists. I found a wonderful man, and we are now married. During the early days of our relationship, I had a lot of hang-ups and ugly personality traits. I was depressed, low in self-esteem. I was a train-wreck of baggage. Somehow he saw through all of this. He saw me and my potential when I only saw myself as a loser at everything.

    All this time, I had Scientology in the back of my mind, thinking that it was continuing its mission to make people better and make the world better. I thought about this and thought somehow I was not good enough for Scientology though maybe someday I could be.

    Years passed. Many years passed.

    One day, I decided to go back to school. I wanted a career that I could be proud of. I chose nursing. I guess it has always been inherent in me, to help people.

    During one of my classes, a sociology class, we were learning about cultural diversity and how to treat and care for patients with different cultural and religious backgrounds. Each student had to choose a culture or religion and write a paper on how they handled surgical intervention. Our instructor listed a couple of cultures/religions we could NOT choose as topics. Scientology was one of them. (I KNEW no Scientologist would choose to get well using surgical intervention or by any type of mainstream healthcare that entailed going to a DOCTOR.) I chose Buddhism for my topic, but on the side, secretly I looked up Scientology in my college library. I found the book by H.B. Urban ”The Church of Scientology: A History of a New Religion”. I read it from cover to cover while checking out all the reference links provided in the book. It did not take me long after reading a bunch of stuff at Operation Clambake website – http://www.xenu.net/ – that Scientology was a total scam.

    That was about 2 ½ years ago.

    Since then I’ve told my husband about my involvement in the Cult of $cientology. He did not know, but was not surprised. I’ve shared the details of my story left at ESMB of the days when I joined – http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?33072-A-Wingnut-Does-the-EPF – and of the blue asbestos aboard the Freewinds – http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?32871-The-Foul-Air-of-the-Freewinds-an-Ex-SO-Member’s-Story

    Often he mentions I probably spend too much time at the Underground Bunker, but I think he understands the community I have here AND the breaking and important news by Tony.

    I ♥ y’all.

    • Mark

      Marvellous.

    • SP Wogsy

      I have no words AP just lotsa XoXo. Luv ya girl!

      • aegerprimo

        Love you too! ♥

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Good story.

      • aegerprimo

        Thankyou S. L. J.

    • jazzlover

      In an odd way, this place is the community it is precisely because all of the escape stories share the common thread defined by love, purpose and enlightenment. The bond is easy to see. I’m happy you made it out and found your real purpose in life.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        It almost as if it’s… the anti-Scientology.

        • jazzlover

          Converging into the only common energy/form it can possibly take.

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            Unfortunately it seems most people on here are AFK for Independence Day at the moment. I have almost no family to party with tonight, so I’m bored outta my mind.

            • jazzlover

              Relax, throw on some music and enjoy a cocktail or two 🙂

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              I don’t drink but thanks. Best I can do it watch a Law & Order marathon while waiting for the Dragonball Z marathon to start…

              I’m beginning to think I have issues.

            • jazzlover

              Had I known earlier in the week (when I cleaned out a car I was ditching), I would’ve sent you all the Dragonball Z cards my son left in it years ago. LOL

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Did you recognize the characters?

            • jazzlover

              Vaguely (Majin Boo, Goku, Gohan, etc.). My kid used to drive me bonkers with them back in the day. Those, Pokemon and Yugi-Oh. I miss those days 🙂

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              It’s “Majin Buu.” But I was the same way with my folks. Except my gateway anime drug was Sailor Moon. (I thought Sailor Mercury was really cute.)

            • jazzlover

              I remember that he always wanted to stay up to watch Adult Swim on Friday nights. Some of that stuff was pretty dang dark. It used to creep the heck outta me.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              How old was he?

            • jazzlover

              He was like 10 at the time. He seemed immune to the overriding darkness of the shows, but I definitely wasn’t — especially with the cranking heavy metal music at the beginning 🙂 I’d let him stay up and watch it once a month or so.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Heavy metal? That sounds like Metalocalypse. Not a show I would have watched at that age.

            • jazzlover

              No it was definitely one of the Dragonball shows. Maybe one of the spin-offs — GT?

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Oh God, that POS.

            • arcinva

              My fiance’ worked on getting me introduced using Full Metal Alchemist; which I enjoyed. But when he tried Trigun, I just couldn’t get into it. Which is a shame because he LOVES Vash.

            • aegerprimo

              Relax! I am on call right now. Life as a surgical nurse. I’ve spent 4 hours out of my day today at the hospital in the OR. I have to say I love that and fireworks has already happened for me today. I was part of helping someone in pain recover and feel better.

      • aegerprimo

        YES jazzlover – love purpose and enlightenment.

        • jazzlover

          See? King George’s College done me good after all 🙂

    • Big hug, AG!

      • aegerprimo

        BIG HUG for you Dodo!

    • Todd Tomorrow

      “they were REAL people’

      • aegerprimo

        Yes Todd… REAL people. Being OUTSIDE a cult, you can experience real life and real people.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Happy Todd day, Todd.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Thanks Hubs!

      • Eclipse-girl

        Happy birthday

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Thanks an hour and a half left. But tomorrow is the party I know nothing about!

    • cdubb

      Good for you. Glad your husband is supportive.

    • Eclipse-girl

      (((HUGS))) You are brave,. You left.
      I am glad you have been able to establish a life independent of the chult

    • Juicer77

      Love you, too! What a journey. Thanks for sharing.

  • jazzlover

    Listening to this in memory of the great bassist’s recent passing (as fireworks splode in background):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDNFpGOCB80

    • Robert Hammond

      Classic. I used to have this album back in the day. Wonderful memories.

      • jeff

        I still have it.

        • Robert Hammond

          I left it behind in one of my many moves and I think my nephew snagged it. Glad we have YouTube, iTunes and all this new stuff. But I kind of miss the old vinyl records with their velvety rich sound. I know they’re making a comeback in some circles.

          • jeff

            I think I read recently where vinyl outsold downloads in 2014.

      • jazzlover

        In a classic money grab, Yes just released a 14 disc (!!!) set comprised of 7 full shows which were used as the sources for most of the tunes on Yessongs. The old me would’ve grabbed it on day of release. Now, I’m the new me 🙂

        • Robert Hammond

          That would have been a nice set to own. But I’m content to check them out on YouTube or Pandora every once in awhile.

          • jazzlover

            Unfortunately, it’s all Fall 1972 and post-Bruford (he be my favorite drummer, btw).

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I personally think Bruford was too jazzy. Too delicate for the more rockin’ stuff.

            • jazzlover
            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Meh, still sounds like a poser trying to keep up. And that snare sound…..my God man, that is the worst ever. I’d rather listen to overrated Carl Palmer. We’ll have to agree to disgree on this one. But don’t tell troll who was here earlier, it might ruin his cultish view of us.

            • jazzlover

              hahahahaha. That band could smoke any version of Yes seven ways to heaven! But I’ll allow you to disagree — just this once 😉

              Which troll was that? I can’t keep up with ’em.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              There was one earlier today before I headed off to party who called us a cult. It’s been said many times actually. Even by Marty Rathbun.

            • jazzlover

              They must be SciFi’s trying to drum up some hate. How could this be a cult? Personally, whenever Tony says “potato”, I say “patato”. He hasn’t knocked down my door once.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd
  • Robert Ramsay

    Happy 4th to all those American Bunk a roos.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      OH MY GOD, THE SPACE JELLYFISH ARE FINALLY INVADING.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    With everyone posting their very poignant and inspiring independence stories, I started thinking about why it is that I’m able to celebrate a $cio-free Independence Day when it could have turned out so differently after a number of years of my own involvement. I think the reason is that I had about 20 or so recurring “thoughts” that Scientology was not able to effectively “stop.” In no particular order, here they are:

    1) That photo in the course room of the guy with the flaccid jowls, thick, snarling lips and flinty eyes really creeps me out.
    2) Are you kidding me? You want me to shout “hip hip hurray” to fleshy, warthog man’s photo? What is this, 1950? This is embarrassing.
    3) The Course Sup oozes uptightness from her pores. What do you mean I can’t open the course pack until you say so? Why? Is this some kind of a timed race? If not, then why does it matter if I peruse the material before the class officially starts?
    4) No, I don’t want to look up those idiotic words again. I know what they mean. The gibberish, I mean concept just doesn’t make sense to me. And you know what? I bet it doesn’t to you either dear sup. I think you are PRETENDING .
    5) I told you before, I’m a college grad and don’t need to waste my time doing boring Play Doh demo’s.
    6) Why is there NEVER any toilet paper in the bathroom here? It’s bizarre that we all have to bring some with us to course when we’re paying this kind of money. I keep bringing it up to the org execs, but they never seem to be able to “handle” it despite all their allegedly great admin and management tech. I’m gonna buy a bunch and bring it in as my donation.
    7) This course was okay I guess, but I’m not sure I got anything big out of it, so I don’t feel like writing a “success story.” What do you mean I should just put down a couple of sentences and be done with it? That would make me feel like a phony. I thought you guys were all about integrity and being ethical.
    8) What do you mean my next course is the Student Hat? I’m not interested in that expensive and redundant course. I don’t have any problem studying complex topics, so thanks anyway.
    9) I am NOT taking that idiotic PTS course. I am not connected to any SPs (the concept is stupidly simplistic anyway, and I don’t buy it. But assuming I did buy it, I”m not connected to any anyway.) I can see what you’re trying to do–you’re trying to use it to coerce me into complying, and I don’t like it.
    10) Why do I have to read this KSW crap again? It’s offensive. I am taking some basic intro courses and don’t consider myself a Scientologist. Why would you ever think someone new would buy into the stuff in this policy letter or whatever it is? Beyond presumptuous of you. A way-over-the-top gagger.
    11) Everyone here reeks of cigarette smoke.
    12) The staff here are mostly pretty nice, and I feel sorry for them having to wear those hot, cheap, tacky clothes that make them look like waiters at a bad restaurant. Not very “upstat” looking, that’s for sure.
    13) Why can’t you just answer a single question instead of referring me to that asinine dictionary again? Looking up “the” again will not be a fruitful exercise.
    14) What’s with the way-too-serious dweebs in the fake Navy uniforms who just arrived? They sure aren’t very friendly and seem to be a tad full of themselves. Why does everyone seem to be afraid of them?
    15) No effing way I’m giving that guy my credit cards so he can call to check on how much credit I have available to pre-pay for my “Bridge.” Don’t care that it’s Thursday before 2 pm. Do.Not.Care.
    16) You think I should buy an intensive of auditing? Nah, that engram-hunting stuff in Dianetics was really negative and boring. And no offense, but if I WAS interested in doing that, I would go to an educated, trained professional for something that personal and sensitive–someone who wouldn’t write it all down for others to view and assess. Not that I don’t trust you or anything….
    17) Please stop saying people can practice whatever religion they want to in Scientology. I’ve read enough LRH material now to know that’s a big, fat, flat-out fib. You think other religions are aberrated or implants or squirrel-tech, whatever. And you seem to have a real bug up your arse about Catholicism in particular.
    18) This FLAG place is really nasty. People are very unfriendly, and it’s “clear” that no one here is happy. In fact, they seem to be in chronic fear, and I’m not sure why. What a let down. I thought this place was going to be so theta, filled with people having fun and learning how to make their lives even greater.
    19) I don’t think I like Ethics Officers. They don’t seem to really be into ethics per se or to have my best interests in mind. Seems like they’re really some kind of enforcers who are supposed to manipulate me into towing the line. Hey dude, who died and left you God? I’m usually a pretty good judge of character, and you seem like a real jerk.
    20) These conditions are one of the dumbest constructs I’ve encountered yet. There is no way to truly apply them, and they seem like yet another way to coerce me into accepting like a lemming what you want me to accept. You can’t force me into this irrational mindset. You said, “If it’s true for you, it’s true for you.” Well, it isn’t true for me I guess. Buh bye.

    Well, it wasn’t quite that easy of course. Not even close. And I wasn’t quite that glib, although all of these were my recurring thoughts. However, for every one of these “negative” thoughts, there were positive ones working against them and close “friends” to reinforce the positive ones and keep me at least looking at $cientology. But that’s a story for another day when I am free to tell it.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      1.) I’ll bet it’s like Chairman Mao’s picture staring over the Forbidden City.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Absolutely!

      • jazzlover

        Words from a wise Brit that Davey should heed:

        “But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
        You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow”

      • arcinva

        Chairman Mao was much more handsome… or at least not repulsive. LOL

    • Robert Hammond

      That was an insightful narrative. Let’s hope that others still in will read it and totally relate. I can imagine that many others have thought the same thing, but didn’t have the courage to say it aloud or even admit it to themselves.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Thanks Robert. Those in for any amount of time would be way beyond these basics. They could make their own similar list that more deeply illustrates the ongoing push of coercion and the natural human instinct to resist it. Wish someone would.

    • daytoncapri

      Good share. I recognize some of my own willingness to put up with things with which I didn’t think were right, but went along with them anyway, thinking that there would be much more to be gained. I was became increasingly cynical as time went on.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Yep, anyone who has ever taken a $cieno course or done any auditing has had to do this to some extent. It is a critical part of the fabric of chult. It “keeps $cientology ‘working'” for people who would otherwise immediately see through it.

    • EmmaDaoust

      I only read to #5 and my head was exploding with truthiness. Okay, I’m going back up to finish reading.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        LOL, truthiness. I like that.

        • EmmaDaoust

          Truth be told, I done stole it from Stephen Colbert, eh.

    • Susan_Qbird_Poche

      This was a terrific list / read!! No shit – good good good.
      hell to the yes!

    • Excellent list!

      #13 will stop as soon as your behaviour changes. Until you stop asking questions, you will need to waste unearthly amounts of time looking up “the.”

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Absolute madness.

    • arcinva

      Let me preface this with I’m a never-in. I had a thought while I was reading your post. I’ve seen so many times how there is never toilet paper. So I wondered… what if someone were to mail toilet paper to an org – and I mean any that are not at the epicenter of the “church” – with a friendly note (and I don’t mean that sarcastically) explaining that it was from a wog and we felt they deserved to have toilet paper. Is there any way that a kind act from the outside world could break through the receiver’s mental prison that the “church” is good and that the outside world is evil?

      I’ve been reading Jenna Miscavige Hill’s book and just find it so sad every time she mentions how scared she was of being in contact with the wog world; even her own grandparents. And I come from an Anabaptist background where “love your neighbor / love your enemy” was taught very seriously and literally. So I can’t help but wonder if the kindness of stangers could help break the chains of the church or, if someone’s already having doubts, show them that the world out here is ok and there are kind people out here.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        I honestly don’t know the answer to this Arcinva but would welcome the thoughts of those most recently “in.”

  • Bleh! All the news feeds are full of echoes of that fluff Tom Cruise story.

    On the good side, it probably had Davie reaching for the maalox while he rechecked with his people in Tom’s staff that there’s no chance of it being true.

    It’ll be interesting to see if Tom is in Bogota tomorrow, but fake stories that he’ll be at org openings are as common as the tabloid junk about him leaving. Dave would like him to be there, but I think the studio would want him to keep a low Scientology profile for a few weeks.

    • jazzlover

      If that’s the case, why are they still hiring him? It’s not like he’s money in the bank anymore.

      • flyonthewall

        he’s still huge internationally, espec Asia and that market is crucial to the studios

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          Maybe he should move to the PRC, since he seems to thrive in that kind of atmosphere.

      • Mission Impossible 5 was supposed to be a “safe” movie. Unless some chick-flick kills it on the first weekend (heh), it’s not going to lose money even if they have to wait on the world sales. Before Going Clear, it was a lot safer, and there’s been a lot more effort to run “Tom does his own stunts” promotion stories and now this before the release. (I notice that a lot of the echo stories are in the foreign markets that have been saving his ass lately.)

        If he can’t carry a franchise action film, then he’s in trouble. So I bet on low profile tomorrow.

        • jazzlover

          You are probably right, but as they have to do more and more saving, he’ll eventually become a pain in the ass not worth relieving.

          • Oblivion, that Kill film and MI:5 should give them the graph points to decide.

            • jazzlover

              I’m not sure I have the same faith in Hollywood execs that you seem to have 😉

            • I’m not sure that those are good graph-points for him. Meanwhile, his other movies? Why are they still talking about how good he was in Tropic Thunder, years ago?

              I can’t really honestly judge it. My only two datapoints are Top Gun and Rainman. (Maybe some Legend, I forget.)

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Someone should remember to check for a collar and chain on Tom’s neck.

      • jazzlover

        You mean Davey hasn’t implanted a chip in his brain yet?

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          No no no, that chip is in storage along with the Mark IX e-meters.

  • Overitmom

    Dear Tony and Paulette,

    I just wanted to take the time to thank you for writing such a great book. Tony, you have a gift with words, and the book was quite the page-turner! I have many friends and family members who are now waiting impatiently for me to pass the book along. Thank you again. Paulette, my heart goes out to you for all of those years that I can only describe as torturous. How you not only survived it but managed to strive fascinates me. Thank you for sharing your story, despite all of the consequences you have suffered.

  • Kudos to Jon Atack, Jim Beverley and Spike Robinson for making this happen. And thanks for giving us a platform to inform the attendees and general public about the Narconon program, it’s legal issues, and the lies inherent in the Purification Sauna treatment program used in Scientology and in Narconon! I was only able to attend Thursday and Friday sessions but it was a wonderful and exciting experience. I can’t wait to see films of the sessions I missed!! May donations pour in to help fund this exciting historic informational project!

  • Happy Birthday, Robert Eckert!

    • Miss Tia

      It’s his b-day today? If you see this Robert, Happy Birthday!! ♥

      • Frodis73

        It’s 1am (almost) and I’m drunk. I so wish I could call you right now. LMAO!!

    • aegerprimo

      Another BORN ON THE 4th OF JULY!
      Happy birthday Robert and Todd.

      • jazzlover

        Ironically, wasn’t Cruz in a movie with that title? 😉

        • And Will Smith was in a movie Independence day.

          • jazzlover

            Are we in the age of Aquarius?

        • aegerprimo

          Whatever. Playing a roll as an actor is different than a REAL PERSON BORN ON THE 4th OF JULY!

          • jazzlover

            Yes. I was just pointing out one of life’s odd coincidences 🙂

          • jeff

            How about playing a bagel?

        • Todd Tomorrow

          yup, never saw it though.

        • jeff

          About the life of Ron Kovic, It’s his best movie.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Happy Birthday Robert!

    • Eclipse-girl

      Happy birthday Robert

    • Frodis73

      Happy Birthday Robert! Rumor is you are coming to Cleveland…I will be able to say this in person!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Yes Robert, Happy Birthday!!!

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    Shit! I forgot Syfy still does Twilight Zone marathons on the Fourth! Not they’re playing the one with William Shatner and the rug monster on the plane!

    • noseinabk

      Observer has a shoop from that episode that I was reminded of when it came on. I couldn’t find it so I hope she or someone posts it.

  • What A Fireworks Show Looks Like When You Fly A Drone Through It

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=49&v=a9KZ3jgbbmI

    • Supper Powers

      That’s spectacular. The song also makes me weak. Thanks!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        It is a great song. I cant wait until my friend’s album comes out soon. One of the songs on there will give you goose bumps more than this…hopefully. It did in the studio at least. So wish I could post a clip from my phone, but not allowed until it gets released for real.

        • Supper Powers

          It’s always fun to be friends with musicians. A friend of mine is also a musician and he recorded a song with a movie star for an academy nominated movie. I got to listen to the two final options and chime in on my opinion about which one should be used. It’s kind of fun to be close to successful artists. I like hearing the stories. Good luck to your friend!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Very cool!

    • Ella Raitch

      Is that from the Catalina wine mixer?

      • jazzlover

        You sharp! LOL

      • I had to look it up, Lol!

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Me too, but so glad I did.

      • Beth

        Exactly what I was thinking Ella! Oh how I love the Catalina wine mixer. Will Ferrell is my spirit animal 😛

        • Chee Chalker

          It’s the GD Catalina Wine Mixer!

          • Beth

            Paow !

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Gah… now I HAVE to watch this move!

        • You can watch it free on Youtube. Copy and paste:
          Step Brothers 2008 Comedy Movies Full Movie
          Very good video quality.

          • PerpetualOutflow

            Thanks Dodo! Really enjoyed that. What a 4th of July treat. A real keeper!

    • aegerprimo

      Amazing! Beautiful.

    • Snake Plissken

      That brings back such good memories, it feels like it was just yesterday I was blowing up those volcanoes with Xenu in his DC8, it’s hard to believe it was over 75,000,000 years ago

    • Robert Hammond

      Wow! That is fantastic! Love the music as well. “Con Te Partiro” by Andrea Bocelli is one of my favorites. Thanks.

      • jeff

        You’ll probably hate me for this, but I love this version

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsiT8bVCLaQ

        • Robert Hammond

          Never heard this disco version before. Not bad, really. I have fond memories of Donna Summer. Would have probably loved this one more back in the 80s, but not bad.

          However, this is my favorite version with Andrea Bocelli and Sarah Brightman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqYG3f4PaWc

          • SP Wogsy

            Sarah Brightman is amazing. She was Andrew Lloyd Webber’s muse for Phantom of the Opera (and ex wife). She was also the first actress to take the role of Christine Daae – the best in my opinion. She is amazing, I love this version of Time to Say Goodbye. Thank you for sharing this : )

          • I am speechless, every time.

          • SP Wogsy

            I would love to see her share the stage with Michael Crawford one last time.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Saw them do this live in Philly. Showstopper for sure.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Wretched Homophobe who said they deserved to get AIDS. Donna, gays payed your bills for years. I’m glad her cake got left out in the rain!

          • jeff

            Not true: “Some years later, Summer publicly denied that she had ever made any such comment, and in a letter to the AIDS campaign group ACT UP in 1989 said it was “a terrible misunderstanding.” In explaining why she did not respond to Act Up sooner, Summer stated “I was unknowingly protected by those around me from the bad press and hate letters. If I have caused you pain, forgive me.” She closed her letter with Bible quotes (from Chapter 13 of 1 Corinthians).[36]

            • Todd Tomorrow

              She said it all over the place and towards the end tried to repent and get her rep back. I’m sure I could be wrong but she went up jesus’s..

            • jeff

              books.google.com/books?id=rrsDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=donna+summer+aids&hl=en#v=onepage&q=donna%20summer%20aids&f=false

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Sounds fishy to me? Why would she wait?
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF_o7aSjl_E
              My Mom cleaned house to Disco!

            • jeff

              1989 is hardly near the end.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              1977?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I get it now; oops!

            • jeff

              The rumor was spread by Adam Block. http://www.donna-tribute.com/articles/80/advocate2.htm

          • Supper Powers

            Woah. She said that? Shameful. I thought she was a class act. Damn.

            • jeff

              No, she never said it.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Born again..

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      That’s wonderful, but next time can the soundtrack rock a little harder?

    • Chee Chalker

      Boats and Ho’s!

  • Robert Ramsay
  • Todd Tomorrow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpiIGxyGeYU

    You can buy a home of your own.

    • jazzlover

      OR, You can be Heroes:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3SjCzA71eM

      With the previously alluded to FRIPP on geetar.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        You get up and sleep the day laughs in your face. I guess you’ll buy a gun, you’ll by it secondhand. Best Bowie Album ever!

        • jazzlover

          I’m partial to “Station to Station”, but that one ranks up there.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            He covered this on Pinups. He He
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxAQrXshPlQ

            • jazzlover

              You don’t see too many references to Barrett Floyd these days. LOL.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Did you watch the vid?

            • jazzlover

              I just did 🙂 That’s hilarious. Poor little clueless Scientologists 🙁

            • Todd Tomorrow

              He He, loved when Emily trips(her real name)!

      • Frodis73

        This song always makes me cry…it reminds me of my best friend that is no longer alive. It is still on of my all time favs though.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          One day you might swim, like the Dolphins, the Dolphins can swim can swim.

        • jazzlover

          Don’t wanna make you sad again, but I saw these guys do it (obvious cross connection of both Fripp and Belew to Bowie) about 15 years ago:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcuXYlzxmF4

          • Frodis73

            Oh, it didn’t. It’s an awesome version and I bet James would have love it too. Thanks for sharing.

            • jazzlover

              You’re welcome! Glad you enjoyed it. They played it as a surprise encore when I saw them.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I meant to say, I hope you two are together gain swimming together like the Dolphins.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    I never thought I’d meet so many people here on The Bunker!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYwpnG-rkHI

  • Frodis73

    Oh my Bowie fantasy! Love it. I’m totally drunk…it’s so rare these days that that happens. Anyway, good news (Maybe) that I just happened to be at one of the hippest places in Cleveland tonight. I am hoping i might be able to help Tony get in at this spot for his book tour. Cross your fingers Bunker Bugs! I was pretty drunk by the time the booker showed up, so I decided to wait and call and speak with him on Monday. Wish me luck. There is a cult connection to all this…if you are curious you can google Glenn Schwartz for more info.

  • Commodore H. McCringleberry

    Just got back from blowing shit up in honor of ‘Murica. It was a blast and no fingers were left behind. Anyway, took a quick second to do a second Co$ cross. This one’s an recruiting item for OSA. It’ll be the last glow in the dark print for awhile, and it’s going right now, but I figured I share the blueprint. Happy Independence Day to everyone that made it out!

  • Commodore H. McCringleberry

    I gotta add a food related note. I was making up my burgers earlier today for the grill and an old friend suggested that I add a teaspoon of cheap “green can” parmesan cheese per patty. I thought this was a terrible idea, but he’s my friend and I did it. Turns out, it’s like a miracle ingredient! You get in a little of the taste of the parmesan, but it soaks up a lot of the juices and brings out the flavors of my other secret ingredients (Sriracha is one, but that’s all you’re getting). Anyway, give that as shot. Turned out great!

    • PerpetualOutflow

      But do you use the BIg Green Egg?

      • Commodore H. McCringleberry

        Nope. I had one once, then figured it was fancy hipster garbage. Using the right charcoal, I’ve pretty much been able to simulate the green egg results with a cheap Coleman grill with some homemade mods here and there. I’ll go up against most folks. Honestly, a sawed-in-half 50 gallon drum with large charcoal chunks is as good as it gets, but totally overkill for burgers.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Sounds like a lot of work, but I’m sure the results are to die for.

        • Juicer77

          50 gallon drum sawed in half is PERFECT for steaming crabs. 🙂

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Have been using an electric grill for a long time. You’ve inspired me to take a flyer and try charcoal again. Doing that today with some NY strips. Saving one for you and Tony.

    • Frodis73

      Oh yeah, it’s good stuff to add to burgers. Meatballs too. Yum. I’m drunk and hungry now.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I’ll check on you tomorrow….it could be rough.

        • Frodis73

          Awwww. HUGS!

  • Colombia gets an Ideal Org and Columbus still doesn’t have one.

  • Lady Squash

    My day of liberation was May 4, 2011 after 34 years In. I quit a job that was keeping me in the fold. I had been taking care of an OT-8 who had lost her mind and that was very disturbing to me. However, I don’t know if I ever would have walked away, if my “patient” hadn’t attacked me and injured me rather badly. It was the shock of it, I think that finally woke me up. I could no longer muster the energy to rationalize all the contradictions. I had been looking on the Internet and questioning things for awhile. But it took an actual physical attack to wake me up. I was a mess for about a year, but now I can say, Thank God, I woke up! And thank you Tony for being part of that process–and Tory and Jon Atack and Jason Beghe and Marty and Sindy Fagan and on and on. All those who spoke out made a big difference. Thank you.

    • I hope you share more, if and when you can. Thank you. Hugs.

      • Lady Squash

        Thanks Dodo. It took me four years to share the above. Every time I would start, I just couldn’t. Funny that.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I m glad you are here, and have physically healed.
      Like Dodo, we hope you will share more when you are able.

      (((HUGS)))
      it was a pleasure to meet you in Chicago.

      • Lady Squash

        Ditto. It was a pleasure to meet you as well.

    • Frodis73

      Wow. So glad you are here with us now. SMH

    • Supper Powers

      Glad you made it out and made it here.

    • Robert Hammond

      Thanks Lady. Glad you were able to see the Light.

    • I had been taking care of an OT-8 who had lost her mind and that was very disturbing to me.

      Yet another mental breakdown.

      Each mention of one is like cold water on my spine. Every ex seems to know of at least one, and yet no one has a list or total.

      So glad that you’re out and away from that.

  • Todd Tomorrow
  • Supper Powers

    The Trout Run website doesn’t seem to be updated. Is there any updated information about what will happen next? I looked at the firm CoS hired. It’s a mega firm. I wonder if Frederick Co will hire an outside firm or cave in negotiations.

  • Steve Bazemore

    Kind of disappointed im going to have to pay to check out the seminar :/ is nothing going to be put on YouTube?

    • Eventually, I am sure.

      • flyonthewall

        I was searching for Rusty Cage by Soundgarden and I found that Johnny Cash did a version! Sounds pretty cool and we can listen to it for free just like the entitled spoiled gen xer ‘s we are

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtbuUlSGXzc

    • PerpetualOutflow

      The content of this conference seems to be the best ever compiled on this subject. It cost people quite a bit to put this conference together. Why should it be available for free? I will happily pay for the portions I want to view. Why would you think you should be able to view it for free?

      • flyonthewall

        Everything is free on the net. News, music, movies. We are a spoiled generation

        • Supper Powers

          I don’t want to pay anybody for their time or talent. It should all be free!!!

          • flyonthewall

            ikr, hello

          • Missionary Kid

            If it all should be free, then artists and writers and people who work for content should also go unpaid, and starve or quit writing and performing.

            • Exterrier

              He’s being ironic, Mish. I can’t wait to give Jon some money to support this giant valuable endeavor.

        • How did you like Fury movie?

          • flyonthewall

            Meh, it was ok but the end battle kinda stretched my suspension of disbelief pretty thin. I don’t think it’s even in the same league as Private Ryan

            • Thanks.

            • flyonthewall

              it’s worth a watch for sure but…you know

            • I hope Michael Peña is lurking here.

            • flyonthewall

              so he’s the clam in the tank people were talking about? I didn’t know he was a scientologist. Hm, too bad for him

          • Supper Powers

            I didn’t watch it.

          • Supper Powers

            I’m a moron. You were talking to Fly. I swear, sometimes I think they should revoke my interwebs pass.

            • Haha! You are fine.

            • Supper Powers

              So says you…:)

      • Steve Bazemore

        If I could get a preview of ever portion of it so that I could figure out what piques my interest enough to lay then i might feel different. I don’t mind putting money toward a cause I care a lot about, but unfortunately being a stay at home dad, and only working two days a week, doesn’t give me much money to spend. Ive never paid for any of the other Scientology info/videos, I’m just surprised since practically everything else I have viewed online, Scientology and otherwise, save for movies, is free on YouTube.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          I don’t know anything about the technical side of doing this, but maybe they could put up a few minutes of each for free, as you suggest, so people could see if they wanted to purchase the whole thing. Other than that, I would use Jon’s write-up yesterday as a guide of what to watch. Sounds like the Jesse Prince talk, for example, is one not to be missed.

      • Steve Bazemore

        Not only that, but not everyone has Vimeo pro, so that’s another thing that has to be bought in order to watch

    • Frodis73

      Trust me, I am beyond poor and bummed it won’t be available for fee. That being said, that conference was absolutely historic (and epic) and is worth every penny. Just look at the line up of ppl that spoke…it’s amazing. I’m sure it cost quite a bit to put on too. Those things are not easy. I do believe it is worth the cost and I support them in trying to make back some of what was laid out to put in on in the first place. You will probably be able to watch for free in a year or so…until then, I think it’s important enough to charge a small fee to access the content. I don’t think it’s unreasonable. Again, this is coming from somebody that can’t afford to pay attention.

    • EmmaDaoust

      I was there. I think the fee I paid to attend might have barely covered the chair I sat in for the week. The film crew was there from dawn to 10 pm every day. I told them I felt for them. They went non-stop. The equipment was extensive. I’ll let others chime in on the expense of the production, but I just want to say, Jon went through years of Co$ litigation and harassment. I don’t think he could be expected to pay for the filming out of his own pocket. Any fee to view would only be fair.

  • Sidney18511

    I used to feel bad for Gerry Armstrong because he really got shafted. But after reading about how he’s admonished Jon during the conference, I’m looking at him a little differently now!

    • Supper Powers

      It seems Jon has known him long enough and can manage the barbs.

    • It was a difference of opinion among friends, Sidney, that’s all.

    • Snake Plissken

      If Gerry wasn’t the way he is, he would have never left the cult with those 21 box of material that detailed the facts about Hubbard’s history and he would have never gone through what he did to make sure they were published. His obsession with details is why everyone knows it’s a fact that Hubbard was a conman from day one and Scientology was a fraud from day one.

    • Juicer77

      I’m glad he spoke up, if only to defend a different viewpoint. That’s why we fight. 🙂

    • Missionary Kid

      Gerry insists on accuracy, and I feel he’s entitled to insist on it, because a lot of our knowledge of $cientology comes from his work. For what he’s endured, not only at the hands of $cientology, but also Indies and others, I will cut him a LOT of slack.

  • Will there be an Ideal Org in Pakistan?

    • ReallyMGM

      Perhaps Kirstie and Jenna can don burqas for the opening ceremony.

      • There are some major IAS donor’s in Colombia AND in Pakistan.
        So I thought I should ask.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          If you found it DM will Build it and he only takes an unknown cut. What a DEAL.

  • Steve Bazemore

    Can someone tell me how Vimeo pro works? Do you have to pay for a whole year or can you just subscribe for a month and get rid of it after that?

    • MarcabExpat

      The membership/subscription thing is for those who are uploading videos for others to purchase. I think the video owners then have the option to make them downloadable for a fee, or viewable only without the option to download.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Sunday, 05 July 2015

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,
    To all our US friends : Happy Independence Day , enjoy your week end.

    The week’s scores and RedX links: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-121#post-2544297

    The richest scientologist in the world get a new trophy!
    This article by Tony on Bobby D. had only 3 recommended red hearts this early yesterday morning, it now has only 25 red hearts and is deeply buried away in google search, do link to it daily and if you have not done it
    click the heart red. http://tonyortega.org/2014/11/28/the-richest-scientologists-in-the-world-get-a-new-trophy/

    Strike a blow for independence and freedom, wag a few co$ ads today: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… Wack a Mole by AegerPrimor https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/13356288403/in/set-72157642802079293

  • flyonthewall
  • richelieu jr

    Interesting to hear that Aldous Huxley was involved at one point, as well as Cohen, whom I knew about.

    I have spent time in both their homes (meeting neither personally, I fear: Aldous was long-dead, and Leonard was ‘Upstairs’ and ‘would be right down’ for several hours…), which are not that far apart (and not far from both Mary Sue Hubbard’s old digs, and Jeffrey and Karen’s digs (if I understand correctly)…