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Reed Slatkin dies of heart attack — Scientologist served time as major Ponzi schemer

Reed_SlatkinMary-Jo Alburger, former wife to convicted Ponzi schemer Reed Slatkin, confirmed to us this afternoon that her former husband died Saturday at about 3 pm of a massive heart attack. He was 66.

“He was alone and he made it to the hospital. He seemed to know he was having a heart attack and he collapsed and fell dead,” Alburger told us in a telephone call today.

In 2003, Slatkin pled guilty to mail fraud, wire fraud, money laundering, and obstruction of justice and was sentenced to 14 years in prison. At the time, he was accused of operating one of the largest Ponzi schemes in history until it was eclipsed by the fraud perpetrated by Bernie Madoff. Slatkin had raised some $593 million in assets from investors before he was shut down by the Securities and Exchange Commission in May 2001 and was then raided by the FBI.

Much of that money Slatkin raised from his fellow Scientologists, and he siphoned millions for the Church of Scientology itself.

In July 2013, Slatkin was released from a halfway house and has been living in the Los Angeles area.

“He had a girlfriend. She was out of town when he died,” Alburger tells us. The girlfriend then contacted the two sons that Alburger and Slatkin had together, and they in turn notified her.

“I’m just very sad because he had such a tragic life. His life was tragic from the time he was 16 and he discovered his father had committed suicide in the garage,” she says. “So I’ve felt compassion for him.”

Slatkin was born January 22, 1949, and grew up in Detroit. Alburger says that after his father’s suicide, Slatkin was visited by his uncle, who ran a Scientology mission in the area. “His uncle came to the rescue and audited everybody.”

Alburger met Slatkin in Los Angeles in Scientology, and they were married for 27 years until 2003. They split up while he was incarcerated.

We asked Alburger if she’s still involved with Scientology. She said she wasn’t. “I can’t afford it,” she said. But she isn’t critical of the movement. “I don’t want to become part of that war.”

As for Slatkin, she had not heard from him since his release from prison.

“Despite what he did, people are very saddened and we’re getting a lot of condolence messages. It’s just very tragic.”

Attorney Scott Pilutik, who is also webmaster to the Underground Bunker, spent years watching the Slatkin case develop. “I’ve no direct experience with Reed other than helping amass the documentary record of his Ponzi scheme, but I did speak with a lot of people who were taken in and watched their money disappear,” Pilutik tells us. “Reed was quite the elaborate grifter, by all accounts. There was always a question as to Scientology’s involvement but I think the record eventually showed that Reed was a victim and true believer himself, which is small consolation to his supposed customers, who saw millions disappear inside Reed’s gradually evaporating postulate. One of his kids reached out to me a few years ago and was remarkably civil, given how how the website portrayed his father. Anyway, I wish the family the best and I’m sorry Reed never reached out and spoke to me.”

[Editor: Thanks to Garry Scarff for helping us locate Ms. Alburger after we first heard an unconfirmed report about Slatkin’s death.]

 
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September 16: Arizona State University

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 23, 2015 at 16:00

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  • Jimmy3

    Can somebody tell me how to feel about this?

    • Observer

      My dilemma exactly.

      • Sherbet

        And mine.

        • MaxSpaceman

          0.00 on the tone scale. that he’s gone.

          $600 million disappeared out of how many people’s lives, causing untold nearly limitless angst and all.

          neutral is too much of a plus for Slatkin. But that’s how I feel for his passing: nothing.

          • Sherbet

            I’m going to zip over to slatkinfraud.com and learn more.

            • SarahDB

              Hey Sherb, I know we have lots of time before the TUML road show rolls into Boston, but I’m thinking we are going to need ceak…I like to bake so…cupcakes? sheet cake? What do you think?

            • Sherbet

              I think a sheet cake is easier to decorate and transport than cupcakes.

            • SarahDB

              Good point.

            • Sherbet

              Now you’ve got me thinking of cake.

            • SarahDB

              ๐Ÿ˜€ me too!

            • Juicer77

              I have a super secret recipe for cinnamon sheet cake that I’m willing to share. Beware – there is LOTS of butter involved.

            • Sherbet

              Sarah’s the baker. I’m the eater. Lots of butter is a good thing.

            • SarahDB

              share please ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Juicer77

              Let me get it to you tomorrow. Running out of steam right now. Off to bed ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Juicer77

              Aha! Here you go…

            • SarahDB

              Thank you so much!!!

          • One Human

            Yeah, it’s pretty sad when you can compliment him by saying “Well he wasn’t as bad as Madoff”.

        • dagobarbz

          Be all the SP you can be. You know you want to.

    • Eclipse-girl

      No I am confuzzled too.

      It is never easy for the family when someone dies suddenly and unexpectedly

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      Once they do, notify me, …mkay?

    • Frank Lee

      I’m just wonderin’ what he’ll have to say for himself when he meets up with LRH, Satan or Saint Peter on the other side!

      • Sherbet

        lrh will wonder if he brought the money with him.

        • Frank Lee

          Naaa, wasn’t it Cruise that was always sayin’ “Show Me The Money!”

    • beauty for ashes

      I am feeling a Buddhist level of non attachment. I am observing it but feeling neither good or bad. (I’ve also only had a few sips of coffee ๐Ÿ™‚ )

    • pluvo

      You can feel but you don’t have to feel, IMO. It’s your choice, Jimmy . (I just take it as info).

    • Miss Tia

      Sad for a life led in a misguided way, sad for his sons who had a father who they loved, sad for his gf, sad for his ex-wife who still cared about him. He was drawn in scientology at 16 after the suicide of his father, his world would have been topsy turvy at that time and in they swooped to stir things more. After that, well as for his ponzi scheme, he might have lost sight of right and wrong by then.

      • joan nieman

        Very well said and empathetic Tia.

    • dagobarbz

      See my sneer? Feel like that.

    • thetastic

      Oh, word.

  • Observer

    Condolences to his family. Another Scientologist dies young.

  • Sookie Sookie

    How sad for his sons. Does anyone know if they’re in or not?

  • Eclipse-girl

    Only because it is a new story

    Please consider flagging the CL ads

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  • sizzle8

    There’s a website called slatkinfraud.com that has a lot of info.

  • He’s lucky to have someone like his ex to mourn his passing with compassion for his youthful suffering. Those whose lives he gutted are probably not as forgiving.

    • Victoria Pandora

      You can tell she isn’t a $cientologist, because she actually feels compassion. I knew it as soon as I read that.
      RIP Reed. Too young to die.

  • Vaquera

    “Welcome to the church of Ka-Ching!”
    -Jin Atack

    Chris Shelton now presenting.

    • Sid

      Ah, so Mr. Atack is an asian rapper. Jin it is then.

    • Sid

      Can’t wait to see the videos on this. Thanks for keeping us updated with the bits you have been able to do.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Condolences to Reed’s family. Another life wasted for absolutely nothing but grief, destruction and empty, shattered lives. At least Reed paid for his crimes, unlike so many before and after him, and some still going at it to this very day.

    This might just be another sad, pointless sacrifice of another human being to the scientology machine, except his family is free of it. I’d like to think they escaped because he was caught and they had time and a safe space to see Hubbard and Miscavige for what they really were – just another two bit criminals who played us all for fools.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/100000092

  • Donna Cline Sargent

    Condolences to the family.God Bless.

  • Chee Chalker

    “I can’t afford it” translation…..’I am persona non grata since my husband and I could no longer afford to pay millions to David Miscavige’s legal/lifestyle slush fund’
    This is the REAL end.phenomena to a life in the Co$….. stealing in order to belong to the ‘most ethical people’ on earth
    RIP Reed…..may you find peace

  • Jimmy3

    I think the saddest part of this story is that his ex-wife said she’s not in Scientology because she can’t afford it. She should save up for a clue first.

    • Richard Grant

      To me it sounds like the telling part of her comments is, โ€œI donโ€™t want to become part of that war.โ€ I suspect this is a pretty widespread attitude among people who have drifted away from the church and just want to get on with their lives quietly and, where the COS is concerned, invisibly.

    • Ruby

      Jimmy, I think she does have a clue. I think she is saying the PR answer that will not put her at risk of losing the friends she may still have that are around the cherch.

      • Richard Grant

        I agree.

      • Juicer77

        I like your version much better. Still sad, though.

      • Sherbet

        You are correct, and probably kinder than I am. Reading between the lines, she is also saying it’s expensive to belong to scientology, which I take as a tiny dig at the cos.

      • Jimmy3

        Yeah, you could be right. But I wouldn’t say that I won’t pay someone to kick me in the nuts because I can’t afford it. I’d say I won’t pay someone to kick me in the nuts because I don’t want to be kicked in the nuts.

        • Miss Tia

          I have no doubt there’s nut kickers who’ll work for free! ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Robert Eckert

            Especially in his case?

          • Frank Lee

            … and they’re called “Squirrel Busters”!

        • chukicita

          You have such a way with words.

          • Jimmy3

            Words are my friends. And I just now realize I’ve probably lost a dozen words with friends games because I haven’t logged in in about a month. My score is rooined.

      • seriouslyWTF

        Then she needs to get a clue that she has no friends in scientoLOLogy. This is something I have mentioned before and Carmen Llewelyn said the same thing in her interview today. http://gawker.com/why-i-left-scientology-1703997050
        “No one is really friends with each other in Scientology. I began to call my Scientologist friends โ€œfaux friends,โ€ because who could be close to somebody when you know for a fact that they would betray your confidence in a heartbeat? In Scientology, your friend can become your worst enemy overnight. “

        • Ruby

          It’s odd, but the fact that Maryjo is not currently a scientologist actually changes the dynamics of the friendship. They do not need to write reports on her. And she is someone they can openly talk to as they know she won’t be writing reports on them.
          Carmen is right in that your scientology friends are faux friends, if you are also an active scientologist. But, Maryjo is no longer in the cherch.
          I say this from my own experience of having friends both in and out of the cherch while I was in and after having left.

          • He was declared an SP and she was probably labeled PTS. I suspect that there is no bridge for her unless she completely disconnected from him for all the trouble he caused the church and many members, legally and financially. So I believe she chose to support him as a family member refusing to sever all ties with Slatkin completely, despite divorcing him right after he went to prison.She may well have been pressured to divorce him… However, as the story confirms, she remained in contact with him up until he was released from prison. I’m sure she did this for the family and for what she felt was right. It probably helped he steer clear of the church pressure for money and being pushed to do her bridge.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I, like others here, struggle to know how to feel about this news. I would say that my thoughts are with those who loved him.

  • Cedilla

    Wiki has not even been updated yet.
    Edit to add: as of 4:19 P.M. EST.

    • TonyOrtega

      You’re welcome.

      • RBE

        I propose a new unit of speed/velocity: the Ortega, faster than a Wiki but slightly less than the speed of light.

        • Jimmy3

          That will catch on faster than an Ortega.

          • Cedilla

            “An Ortega”
            Ok. That is in my vocabulary as of right now.

            • Robert Hammond

              The dictionary will now be updated to define an “Ortega” as information traveling faster than light speed.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              But, but, but……….I can’t let go………..

            • Cedilla

              Can’t let go?

            • Sibs

              Try refreshing. Her comment makes more sense.

            • Cedilla

              LOL. Too cool. Those are my fav green chilies for my pasole.

            • Robert Eckert

              Douglas Adams wrote that the only thing that travels faster than light is bad news, and one race tried powering their spaceships that way– but they were so unwelcome everywhere they went that it wasn’t worth going.

          • Cedilla

            13 upvotes.
            What an Ortega.

        • Sibs

          Calling Urban Dictionary?

        • chukicita

          oh wow – i just did that above, but as a measurement of speed of information.
          great minds…

        • Mockingbird

          Slightly

  • Robert Hammond

    Not to diminish the death of this person whom I didn’t know and never heard of before, but is that a picture of him taking a selfie with a landline phone?

    • Sookie Sookie

      This is dickish, I know, but it looks exactly like I always imagined Napoleon Dynamite’s dad would have.

    • Sherbet

      No, it’s called “having your picture taken with a camera while there happens to be a phone receiver in your hand,” something that predates the selfie. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Robert Hammond

        Ah yes. I do somewhat recall when that was a thing some of the crazy kids were doing for fun. Kind of like the hoola hoop.

        • Sherbet

          Google “film developing.” Oh, our crazy ancestors!

          • scottmercer

            First time I got a video camera, my friend goes “do you have to get it developed?”

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Garry Scarff = uber researcher.

  • Church declared him an SP only because he eventually got caught.
    Pretty sure he was an “OT” and a classed auditor too. Oh, well. RIP.

    • And I hope his life and death will be a lesson for others.

  • Good fella

    I knew about a dozen of his victims as well as 2 co-conspirators. I’m sure their feelings run along the lines of “good, finished at last”. I don’t think his family figure into their thoughts of him passing. They really lost a lot and suffered as a result. These were good, decent people. One of his henchmen today still enjoys the admiration and respect he has enjoyed for many decades, his collusion with Slatkin largely unknown.

  • salin
    • salin

      In the third video – at 3:07 – in court – he turned on CoS video says he claimed that the religion
      “is his source of evil”. If anyone has watched this – or does – would love your take on this part.

      • brendon

        It came up at the sentencing hearing. It was clear the defense wanted to argue some form of diminished capacity and duress that would come from the COS. A prosecution witness was introduced, Dan Jacobs, another Scientologist, who was used to undermine this possible Slatkin defense gambit. Jacobs’ testimony portrayed Slatkin as talking about it to him openly in sort of a “maybe I could say this” sort of scenario, that the Church was a negative influence on him. Jacobs said he told Slatkin it wouldn’t make sense because he had said how much the COS had helped him. The defense also claimed something along the lines Reed was basically “addicted to Scientology” and Reed worried what would happen if the money stopped flowing to the COS. These theories were openly dismissed by the judge.

        • salin

          Thank you for your response and information. I have limited sympathy for Mr. Slatkin per his actions – and great sympathy for those who were bilked out of life savings. I do, however, have sympathy for his family in their loss.

          The more I have learned about the CoS, the more I wonder about the motivations of some of the adherents, such as Mr. Slatkin, when the behavior go so far off the rails. As an outsider, it is strange – to read this and react… a) those are reasonable explanations (easily dismissible in court), yet on the other hand b) planting someone to give reasonable explanations is completely in lines with what we have learned with the bigger picture of Paulette Cooper’s story in Tony’s book. Add the endless accounts of ruthless regging… and the ends to which some folks have gone to in response to meet those obligations after they give in to the regging. Such a murky picture.

          Again, thank you for your informed response. Peace.

          • brendon

            It’s complicated. I have to rush off but basically Jacobs was also a big benefactor of the scheme and ended up with his own time in jail. Something like four months. (details in site linked above.) But I always wondered: was he ever declared? Or did the COS look the other way as thanks for his role in deflecting attention from the COS? What’s also at the center of this is the thing Chris Shelton always points out: the lack of critical thinking skills among Scientologists. MLMs seem to run rampant among them, and at some level I think Slatkin really believed that it could work. Add to that their self belief that they are better than the rest of us at spotting the SP’s and you have a recipe for more self-imposed disasters. Needs more explanation but I have to go. Cheers!

    • Robert Hammond

      Thanks for posting the videos. I had only briefly heard his name mentioned in passing. So many stories to be told. That’s why this whole thing needs to be a cable TV series going all the way back to the early 50’s and coming up to the final days. .

    • anoni81b4u

      Thank you for posting. Very interesting.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Like others, my feelings about the loss are strange… but it sounds like Tik has the makings of a book or screenplay there!

    • Robert Eckert

      Chaz! How you been?

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Hiya! I’ve been well–everything is still attached and I am happy with that! Thanks for asking! Don’t have much time to comment these days, but be assured that I do not miss Tony’s posts and skim the comments as much as I can. Hope the summer is treating you well!

        • Robert Eckert

          It’s been OK, still taking care of my dad and that’s no better, but I got an outing to Chicago last weekend to see Tony, and Observer, and Eclipse Girl, and Aslan, and 1subgenius, got a picture with Christian Stolte and some stories from Darth Xander and a lady from NOI who was pushed into Scientology courses.

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            You’ve been busy — the Chicago event must have been a blast! Looking forward to Tony’s DC gig and also catching up with some Bunker stalwarts as well. Hang in there with dad and keep us posted!

  • Vaquera

    Immediate news reported from the stage of Getting Clear! Happening right now.
    Tony Ortega breaks yet another story: Slatkin. Here he is reading his above story. F5

    • Robert Hammond

      Wow! That was faster than an Ortega. Oh, wait.

      • chukicita

        I think you just birthed a new measurement for speed of information:

        “It will take them six Ortegas to break that story.”

        • scottmercer

          x6

    • Ella Raitch

      How does he do it?

  • I knew Mary Jo from our days together in Berkeley. Reed, too. I was surprised to learn he had become such a criminal. (I wish the SEC would go after some bigger fish, however, like Jamie and Lloyd for starters.) Mary Jo was in a relationship with Richie Beatty in Berkeley, who is married now to the ED of the New York Org. Sorry for reminiscing but there were some great times in Berkeley. Scientology was such a different movement in those days, unrecognizable to what it has become under DM.

    • Juicer77

      Thank you for sharing those memories. It is always good to be reminded that these are real human beings who became involved in Scientology and learn more about their backgrounds.

    • Who are Jamie and Lloyd? Just curious. Thanks

      • Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein. The guy who works on Global Financial HQ will be able to say a lot more about these two than I can.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +โ€“+ Reminder +โ€“+ RED X ***Tuesday, 23 June 2015

    Good day Bunkeroos,

    After the amazing scores from LA & Sacramento we hit the skids and took a rest!

    Pat Broekerโ€™s latest complaint to CL Boston did NOT yield any resuts as yet: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-121#post-2542074

    Yesterdayโ€™s with the full weeks scores and RedX links: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-121#post-2541832

    F5 โ€ฆ Keep Walking by Pshoudini enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX and flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16013902967/in/set-72157642802079293

    • SarahDB

      Just for the record, been dutifully flagging all of Boston’s posts every day for some time now (am local), and it doesn’t seem that they are listening at all!

      • Sherbet

        I don’t flag everyday, but I’ve done a good amount of it, plus complained to CL. I don’t get it. Nothing’s happening.

        • SarahDB

          I should be truthful and say I flag MOST days ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Pierrot

        I agree nothing is happening. The scienos may have put pressure on CL after the initial take down or they may have inside help. I am disappointed and I am scratching my head wondering what now?

        • Eileen

          I flag 3-4 times a week. So we have a good amount of flagging going on. I have to believe that this looks obviously like spam to people who are on Craig’s list.

  • Ruby

    Condolences to the family.
    Maryjo’s compassion for Reed is something that warms my heart. She has a right to be bitter, after all she has been thru. Instead she chooses the high road of love and understanding. What a woman. Bless you Maryjo and your family.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    I’m going to have to call it for the night; still not feeling great (migraine, NOT hangover!), but someone asked me to post the photos from this morning once more for the late crew. I hope updates from the conference carry on flooding it. Have fun my funny friends ๐Ÿ™‚

    PS. Sorry if these photos are costing to host, Tony. I will donate tomorrow to cover any costs.

    • Newiga

      I hope you feel better soon. xo

    • Juicer77

      Thanks for reposting, for those of us who’ve been at work all day.
      Feel better – cool compress, dark room, get some rest. xoxo

    • pluvo

      Good night. Have a good sleep and recovery.

    • Cedilla

      Adversaries. Now allies.
      Wonderful.

    • Robert Hammond

      Thanks for all the photos. Glad you could come out to play for awhile. Thanks for clarifying your condition. ; P Hope you feel better soon. Sweet dreams. See you tomorrow. The best is yet to come.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Well I didn’t want anyone else accusing me of covering up a hang-over, y’know what I mean, Robert? ๐Ÿ˜›

        • Robert Hammond

          Who would ever do such a thing Andrea? ;D

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I’m lookin’ at you, Robert! ๐Ÿ˜€

            • Robert Hammond

              OK. I did it. Terrible of me, I know. I’m sorry, I got carried away with all the excitement. I hope you’ll forgive me, Andrea.

              Btw, how do you do italics on Discus? I’m on my iPhone and I don’t see how you can change it to bold or italics. Can you teach me? Or is it too late?

            • Robert Eckert

              starts it, then to stop it.

            • Robert Hammond

              is this working?

            • Robert Hammond

              Thanks for the lesson. I’ll have to practice this

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              It’s never too late! Okay, you leave out the 2 spaces in the following:

              italics

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I think the best option is to direct you to a page that will tell you, rather than fill up 18 inches of comments with my rubbish attempt to explain!

              https://help.disqus.com/customer/portal/articles/466253-what-html-tags-are-allowed-within-comments

            • Robert Hammond

              Thanks dear

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Hooray, you did it!

    • Observer

      Feel better soon! <3

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      i also hope you feel better soon

    • SarahDB

      I love the trillium flower that Gerry’s wife embroidered for everyone, so thoughtful!

      —or was it Jon’s wife?

      • aquaclara

        It looks like tatting, a crocheted handmade lace. Isn’t it beautiful!
        She must have a wonderful heart all the way around.
        Such a nice gift.

      • beauty for ashes

        I remember Gerry’s wife made a lovely little clover for everyone at the Ireland conference. It made an impression on me because it was the first time I saw a video of Gerry Armstrong , as opposed to reading about him.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        So pretty, and so thoughtful.

        • SarahDB

          I thought you were taking care of that migraine??!! Tear yourself away and get your beauty sleep, we’ll all be here in the morning ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I physically can’t sleep any more, Sarah! I’m hoping that, as long as I keep one eye closed at all times when I look at my screen, I will hold it at bay ๐Ÿ˜›

            • SarahDB

              I know just what you mean (((hugs)))

    • Eclipse-girl

      take it easy.
      Get a cold compress.
      Get to sleep do what you need.

  • Frank Lee

    Interesting find. “$20,000 worth” of Scientology materials, most unopened!
    http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/emd/5055601138.html

    • scottmercer

      Oh yeah, he really must have been avid if MOST of the materials were sealed and unopened…

    • anoni81b4u

      Good luck with that sale, most of that crap is available for almost free on e-bay … you cannot even give that shit away!

    • aquaclara

      Purchased less than a year ago. Poor deluded soul, may he now rest in peace.

      • ReallyMGM

        So many victims of this cult. CoS sees people as prey.

    • Libertylover

      Thanks for the link.
      I emailed him and asked if he had any memorabilia, medals, trophies, old videos, letters or pictures.
      I said he would be lucky to get 200 for the tapes, maybe he will dig up something, if he isn’t too offended.

    • Juicer77

      Uncle, my foot. Something’s fishy here. Why would an outsider think to name Bridge Publications in the description? Also look at that photo. Harrumph, I say, harrumph!

      Eta: glossy reflections of the covers? This is a staffer trying to move product in bulk.

      • Frank Lee

        Yea, how often have you been in charge of your “uncle’s” estate, and if you were, how would you know the value or even care? Put ’em in a garage sale, or donate ’em to a library, and be done with it. What I found funny was that most have NEVER been opened!

  • Sibs

    Random note: Shouldn’t the “Jon Atack puts us on the spot” story say something like “9 hours ago”? (refresh)

    • RBE

      Today’s thread must have been created 8 days ago but only posted today. Perhaps Tony recycled a post with a different name?

  • Sarcasmo

    This just drips with irony. Whether you gave your $ directly to $cientology, or whether you gave it indirectly to them through Slatkins Ponzi scheme, you got conned. Interesting how Slatkin conned people without recolonizing he was being conned himself.

    Best line in the story: “I can’t afford it.” Soon it will just be the whales and DLHDM stoking each other while the minions in the Sea Org do the lubing. Once the whales die off, $cientology will have priced itself out of existence.

  • Chee Chalker

    Surprise surprise…. Greta van Sustern and her millionaire hubby MADE money fron Reed Slatkin’s Ponzi scheme. They agrrd to pay some of their ‘earnings’ back (after the government sued)..
    Wonder how much 5’1 and TC made?

    • They weren’t named. The church and multiple enitites were forced to negotiate and repay some of the monies they received from donations made by Slatkin and those who benefited by getting their money back earlier before there was no money left to pay the end losers of the Ponzi. Docs can be found amongst these at Look for these 3 pdfs at http://lermanet.com/fraud/
      Scn_Slatkin_COS_Et_a..> 05-Oct-2008 00:19 971K Scn_Slatkin_COS_Et_al_2
      Scn_Slatkin_CoS_Et-A..> 05-Oct-2008 00:20 311K Scn_Slatkin_CoS_Et-Al_Settlement.
      Scn_Slatkin_CoS_et_a..> 05-Oct-2008 00:20 1.0M Scn_Slatkin_CoS_et_al_1
      Scn_Slatkin_CoS_et_a..> 05-Oct-2008 00:19 773K Scn_Slatkin_CoS_et_al_3.

  • Mockingbird

    The Slatkin case is a great exposure of how Scientology values money over honesty. Public face constant pressure to donate more and are told once they do a service they will make more money as Scientology universally ” increases ability ” including ability to make money. BUT you are told this usually by staff or Sea Org members who have no income and do far more Scientology services than public !

    Reed likely thought just applying the right reference or auditing through the right chain if incidents would unstick his flows and magically generate the money to pay his victims . Truly sad .

  • He was an “ordained” Reverend, but Scientology tried to kick that one under the carpet. As well, they deleted his “I am a Scientologist” cookie-cutter page super fast.

  • Matt in Atlanta

    Something wicked this way comes…..

    F5 for 100% more creepiness!

    • AutmnWinds

      I loved the book and that picture looks like the Dust Witch’s dad.

  • dagobarbz

    At the expense of sounding callous, “good riddance.”

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Very quick last post- more pics from Andreas and Pete. I wanted to grab these because they show the first photos of Chris Shelton, Jim Brennan and Christian Szurko on stage…and what appears to be Tony’s very own copy of Miss Lovely!

    F5/Refresh

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Wait! I never really thought about Tony’s copy!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        It looks to me like Jon Atack’s signature. So funny ๐Ÿ™‚

  • And here’s a tidbit of historical trivia:
    Charles Ponzi dies on 18 January 1949.
    Reed Slatkin born on 22 January 1949.

    Start the five day countdown.

    • (Start it last Saturday, so it runs out tomorrow.)

  • anoni81b4u

    When I die, I do not want to be remembered as a scientology Ponzi schemer.
    Give me the Suppressive Person title any day.
    Also a new Dr. Seuss book to teach critical thinking to scientologists.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Can I just ask for all those making wild speculations about Mary Jo, the boys and her family to cool it for today. They have nothing to do with scientology. These are real people, there are grandchildren, nieces, nephews, who have suffered enough and have moved on to live happy, healthy, enriching lives surrounded by love and joy.

    Everyone deserves a little peace and respect on days like this. Call me a prude, but here, take a look for yourself about who you are making comments about and at least consider the request.

    https://www.facebook.com/mjalburger

    • Jimmy3

      You’re right. Sorry.

    • Sherbet

      No, you’re not a prude. You have a kind heart.

    • flyonthewall

      does this mean that totally unrelated crude sexual humor is out too?

    • Snake Plissken

      “Everyone deserves a little peace and respect on days like this.”

      I can agree with the peace part, but the respect part is asking too much.

  • Snake Plissken

    โ€œ His life was tragic from the time he was 16 and he discovered his father had committed suicide in the garage,โ€

    You know the cult exploited that or all it was worth and then some

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    I don’t feel like I should comment on this story at all. Like many, I’m not sure how I feel about this. I hope the people who loved him are finding comfort in each other right now.

    See you all in the A.M. xoxox

    • Supper Powers

      Let’s all go back to the morning post instead! It’s much easier to have fun there. (Edited)

  • John P.

    As a capitalist, I feel obligated to weigh in on Slatkin’s career. His death means little to me other than as a reminder of another financial scammer who brought woe to hundreds. By the standards of subsequent fraudsters, Slatkin was an amateur; Madoff pulled in almost 100x as much.

    I think the lesson that investors should take away from Slatkin’s fraud is the same lesson they should learn from a thousand different places. Slatkin was one of two things; I didn’t dig into the details of the case to try to determine which was true. Deliberate fraud or hapless cult dupe?

    In the first case, he came into Scientology as a deliberate fraud who saw a particularly good opportunity by ripping off Scientologists because the cult would largely insulate him from civil litigation by the policy of not suing fellow cult members. All he had to do was donate a shit-ton of money to the cult and they would favor him in any internal “ethics” proceedings, lowering the likelihood that he would get busted for any misbehavior. If he is this man, then he correctly reasoned that the cult would not rule against a major donor. From the point of view of a fraudster, spending 5% or 10% of his ill gotten gains for “protection” is a pretty good investment.

    The second case is that Slatkin was a Scientology true believer who thought he had secret knowledge and power that would allow him to win in the market, and he descended into crime when he couldn’t deliver on the powers that the cult told him he had. This is a common pattern on Wall Street: people get a reputation for having a hot hand and, one day, as it inevitably will, the hot hand turns cold. Most people will take that personally for a while but will eventually get back to work investing honestly for their clients. Most of us has all learned that when the market favors us with a hot hand, it’s not because we’re any better than anyone else. Wise investors merely happen to be paddling the direction the river is flowing, and we’re always looking for a change in the current so we can change direction.

    In the second case, if you really think the hot hand is something that you control, then when you go cold, you try to get hot again. And if you get afraid that going cold is going to cost you investors, you do what every fraudster does: “I’ll just do it once and then when this cold wave passes, then I’ll put the money back.” That’s the beginning of the slide into a full-on Ponzi scheme.

    I think that’s what happened to Bernie Madoff, for instance. I have a low opinion of Madoff, but it should be noted that he built a “legit” business in addition to the Ponzi scheme. Asset management is very different from the brokerage business, which he built and ran successfully. I don’t think he created the fund with the intent of ripping people off. I think he panicked when he went cold for a couple weeks, thinking that making up the returns was just temporary, and that he would “go legit” again when he warmed up again. And when that didn’t happen, he dug himself in deeper, then went completely over to the dark side. Interestingly, he used his prominent position in the NY and FL Jewish community to lure in victims, just as Slatkin did with Scientology; the religion angle always gets people to forgo due diligence because they’re usually prone to trust pious-seeming people of their own religion. I’m not excusing Madoff, nor arguing that he deserves less punishment because he backed into the fraud… I’m just talking about how he got there which is different than the person who is a sociopathic criminal going in and where the scheme is dishonest from the start.

    The takeaway for those of you who invest should remember that honest money managers sell you based on things that are directly relevant: “Here’s our historical performance; here’s our strategy.” They don’t try to lure you in with external stuff like “Hey, we went to the same school, I’d never steer you wrong.”

    • Jimmy3

      Before: “Hey, we went to the same school, remember? I’d never steer you wrong!”

      After: “Hey, I went to school with a guy who works at the bank that’s foreclosing on your home! He won’t steer you wrong!”

    • Snake Plissken

      Reed Slatkin was a highly ethical Scientologist, he was exactly the end product Hubbard was looking to create with Scientology. A person that would fuck over everyone they possibly could to bring money into Hubbard’s cult.

      • Mockingbird

        In Scientology that is an in ethics upstat !

    • Robert Hammond

      Thanks John P. That was a cogent analysis of this and other Ponzi scheme perpetrators. The “religion angle” has been used by many to lower people’s guards and bypass critical thinking. As you state, many of these schemers may have begun with good intentions and legitimate business strategies, but bringing in the hope of supernatural abilities and magical thinking often blinds them to their own hype.

      I think MLM and pyramid schemes are very much like religious cults. They play on emotions, emphasize testimonials, and group think to blind people into risking their life savings for “a piece of blue sky.”

      • John P.

        Exactly right. I recently discovered a man’s site, http://www.PatrickPretty.com, who spends a lot of time doing fraud-busting on various Internet multi-level marketing and pyramid scams and other out-and-out scams. I had absolutely no idea that there were so many of these obviously bogus scams out there on the Internet.

        Incidentally, time and time again, these scammers worm their way into a “community” of people — church, immigrants from a particular country, etc. to get even more victims.

        As I’m sure you can imagine, I don’t need to participate in multi-level marketing schemes to make money. I am above such things; I made my money the old-fashioned way. Yes, I have built my wealth mainly on money borrowed against the funds I’m expecting to receive any day now from my business partnership with Mr. Mbako Narumba of the Bank of Burkina Faso, who has promised me a substantial sum in exchange for my help in moving $48 million from Burkina Faso to the US.

        • Robert Hammond

          Thanks for the link, JP. With the rise of the internet, these scams are multiplying and changing form.

          There was a time when I thought that some people could make money with multi-level marketing. I’ve since concluded that the only ones who profit from MLM schemes are the original promoters. Very similar to religious cults.

          Here’s another site on pyramid schemes that was recommended to me by cult expert Steve Hassan. http://pyramidschemealert.org/are-all-mlms-scams/

    • ze moo

      In the end, no matter how they got there, all Ponzi schemes are criminal enterprises. If you pick your ‘investors’ from the yellow pages or your church choir, the schemer knows the thing is going to bust. Magical thinking pervades all societies, even the financial community.

      I remember seeing a huge advertisement in some financial magazine for Madoff’s firm around 2002, the associated graph {both axis labeled} was an unbroken 45 degrees. I knew then that Madoff was a scam, no one has results like that. Why it took so long for the FTC/SEC to notice things like that, makes no sense. Or didn’t until I noticed the revolving door between those agencies and the financial community.

      • One Human

        I highly recommend the documentary ‘Chasing Madoff’, it touches on that exact detail.

      • lmnop

        everybody knew, even jp morgan chase bank’s Jamie dimon, they made lots of money off the Madoff fraud, he had lots of help to keep it going. criminals are still running those banks with confidence that they won’t be held accountable…. THANKS OBAMA!

    • Missionary Kid

      Well put.

      My opinion of Wall Street is that there are people who are lucky, people who are smart, and people who are hard working who become successful.

      Unfortunately, many assume that because they are successful financially, they are right, and start to assume a god-like attitude towards the rest of the world. (Televangelists suffer the same fate).

      The ones who listen to the little voice that tells them that they may be wrong, and stay humble are usually the ones who are successful in the long run. There are, of course, the ones who get out before their hubris causes a failure. Some of them end up failing spectacularly in the rest of their lives, and some never suffer the consequences of of their assholeness.

      Reed was,in my opinion, was aided and abetted in his hubris by $cientology. Of course, it never took any of the blame for his spectacular failure.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      “Hey, we both went to the Hubbard College of Administration. I’d never steer you wrong on this miracle super-oxygenated water investment deal.”

    • J. Swift

      From the point of view of a fraudster, spending 5% or 10% of his ill
      gotten gains for “protection” is a pretty good investment.

      This is the logic of OSA spending, probably, >$100,000,000 per year on legal. That money keeps the 501(c)(3) safe and quietly pays off people who might otherwise become PR nightmares.

      The Church of Scientology is an inherent fraud. It is only a matter of time before it destroys itself.

    • I don’t think you know much about Slatkin’s history as a scientologists. He was in Scientology for many years, a student training and interning to become high level auditor, then be became a respected field auditor for some years before venturing out into the financial stuff. The pressure to make money, especially after the church robbed mission holders and field practitioiners during the Mission Holders Conference era caused an upheaval in the field where many scientologist missionholders, staff and friends left the church. Those like Reed stayed longer trying to comply with the insanity of the ‘International Fnance Police’ and Miscavige new management of the field, changing the rles o who could go to a field auditor or mission for services… so he closed shop because he needed to make money, as others did. He stayed in the church, believing in the tech, wanting it, being regged for it, pressured for it. So he went into the financial business arena and did what quite a number of “OT” scientologists have done… started out OK, as a consultant, probably a WISE member at first… but eventually became crooked in order to keep the game going to keep the money rolling in to meet the demands. I was around the PAC area when he was a field auditor. He was a nice guy, well respected. He never came in just to suck money out of scientologists. He bought the same bull***t lies and promises that we could Clear The Planet and he tried, hard. Few became auditors like he did. It took much desire, training and persistence. He came in to Scientology to get help, improve himself, and help others. His early and most dedicated years were in the pursuit of that. Things got nuts back in the early 80s… the era of the Int Finance Dictator, gang bang sec checks ( to anyone, staff or public, who even vaguely looked like they were hiding something’),complete mission properties, accounts funds stolen by the church from those who built and earned them as non-church staff); He made bad choices along the way, all of which led to disastrous consequences for himself and so many others. Consequences he thought he could handle or contain compared to the threat of what Scientology could and would do to hm if they found out scientologists were among those he could not repay. He was afraid to lose his eternity! ( like so many others still in ). Here is some info on his history but lacks time frames for his early years before his financial shenanigans. http://slatkinfraud.com/reed_scn.php

      • salin

        Insightful response, thank you.

  • Supper Powers

    When someone I don’t particularly respect dies, I mourn for the lost potential for the better life they could have led. It does not excuse their past behavior and allows me to retain my humanity at the same time.

  • Free Minds, Free Hearts

    This may seem OT but it really isn’t since it is scientology…

    I could not help myself when I saw this article. http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/06/23/746880/0/en/Photo-Release-Church-of-Scientology-Opens-Historic-Ybor-Square-to-World-Environment-Day.html

    I sent an email to the four who were in it.

    kent.bailey@florida.sierraclub.org
    apaul@audubon.org
    epcinfo@epchc.org
    murmans@hillsboroughcounty.org

    This is what I sent:

    To: Sandy Murman, Hillsborough County Commissioner, Kent Bailey, Sierra Club, Ann Paul, Audubon Society, Marcia Biggs, Environmental Protection Commission

    I was distressed to hear that you are supporting Scientology (http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/06/23/746880/0/en/Photo-Release-Church-of-Scientology-Opens-Historic-Ybor-Square-to-World-Environment-Day.html). You are now used for their PR. As a longtime environmentalist I am sickened.

    Scientology is a dangerous and corrupt organization โ€“ dwindling in membership to about 25,000 โ€“ 40,000 worldwide but still sitting on more than a billion dollars for lawyers and private investigators. Scientology harasses critics, bullies children into having abortions, tears apart families through its evil disconnection policy, participates in human trafficking and labor violations by bringing people from Eastern Europe, Russia and other countries and locking up their passports while they are expected to do menial labor, and more. In your county!

    All of these human rights abuses are cloaked under their tax-exempt status which they got from the IRS in 1993 after bullying the IRS, harassing them with investigations of employees and filing 2,400 lawsuits against IRS and its employees.

    In spite of their litigious nature, public opinion has turned against them as the Internet has allowed ex-members and other critics to share their stories. Alex Gibneyโ€™s recent HBO documentary, Going Clear, outlines some of the abuses. There are also dozens of stories by ex-members, all very similar, detailing in very similar form the abuse they suffered while members, and the harassment they suffered when they left and spoke out.

    Why do I care? It is deeply personal to me. I have a close family member in the Scientology Sea Org for 40 years. At age 60 he has no health insurance, no savings, no phone, no car. He was in their gulag known as โ€œthe Holeโ€ in California at least 2004-2012 but in the past has also lived in Clearwater. He has been emotionally abused and is semi-starved, weighing less than 115 pounds. He joined with idealistic visions of helping the world, but the mind control has trapped him since, – in spite of doubts he is afraid to leave, being told that the outside world is dangerous. He only sees Scientologists. Every day for 40 years. I pray every day for him to have the courage to leave before he gets too old and sick and gets dumped.

    Please do not lie in bed with Scientology again. Please.

    • SarahDB

      Free Minds: thank you for writing that letter. Sorry to hear about your family member, it sounds ghastly what has happened to him. (((hugs)))

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        It is indeed ghastly. It is why I am here.

    • Sid

      Powerful. Well written.

    • Frodis73

      Very well written. Like you, I am very bummed to hear The Sierra Club got sucked into this. I’m just may have to drop them a letter myself. Let us know if you hear back.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Yes, I looked up the emails for the people mentioned – for Marcia Biggs I couldn’t find an individual email address, just for the organization. Are these people all fucking safepointed? Excuse my language.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Consider going higher. Send a snail mail letter to headquarters of both orgs.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Do you think that will help, or are the Sierra Club and Audobon sort of independent chapters?

            • PerpetualOutflow

              The Audubon Society says it has 500 local chapters that do grassroots conservation work, and the Sierra Club says it has 64 local chapters but claims to be the largest and most influential in grassroots environmental activism. Don’t know how these two orgs have structured their relationship with their grassroots affiliates (it can vary–some groups have more control over local chapters than others), but seems like you would have more leverage at the national level either way.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              I am not sure either who they are structured – but they do share the brand, and do not want it sullied. I sent to the Florida chapters and the national as well – snail mail, going out today…

    • MrsLurksALot

      That is a very effective letter; I’m glad you spotted this article. It is such a sham for CoS to participate in anything environment related, seeing how they have polluted the oceans with their filth from the Fleabags, et al, for so long.

      • Observer

        Not to mention cutting down centuries-old oak trees to put up a giant circus tent for a couple of months.

        • MrsLurksALot

          OMG, the trees! Didn’t they only have to pay a $50 fine or something ridiculous like that?

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I considered bringing that up…

        • Robert Eckert

          Yeah, that one still frosts me.

        • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

          There was probably more true spirit in that old oak tree than is left in Scientology.
          Old trees have a magnificence.

        • joan nieman

          I still can’t get over that. How could they let them proceed with cutting that Oak down?

          • Observer

            They didn’t let them. The city of Clearwater told them they couldn’t, but Captain Miscavige had it done anyway.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        It came through on my scientology google news alert!

      • PerpetualOutflow

        What to speak of the gargantuan amount of unwanted paper junk mail they produce every day. Nothing “green” about this cult.

        • joan nieman

          The only thing green about the cult is money.

    • ze moo

      Global News Wire appears to be a ‘paid for pr tool’. Probably run by a clam too. ‘Packages’ run from $150 to 560 each.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        I think it is probably like PRWeb. But it shows up on googles news alerts. These people need to know they are tools.

    • Frodis73

      I emailed all those people too, and along with the issues you brought up I also directed them to the dumping at Saint Hill, Freewinds and the countless trees with all of their dumb mail.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Thank you Frodis!!!

        • Frodis73

          No prob. I also wonder about all of them being safe pointed. We will have to see what kind of reply we get…if we get one.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            If I hear anything I will let you know. I sent it from my hushmail account.

    • Missionary Kid

      Very well written.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      This is such a great letter. I really hope they pay attention to it.

      I’m so sorry to hear about your family member, love ๐Ÿ™

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        It is disturbing to know that my family member may die there.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Please be sure to send this to the headquarters of Sierra Club, Audubon, etc. and not just the local yocals.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Okay I think letters can go to –

        Michael Brune, Chief Executive Officer, Sierra Club, 85 2nd St #2, San Francisco, CA 94105

        David Yarnold, Chief Executive Officer, National Audubon Society, 225 Varick St, New York, NY 10014

        Frank Jackalone, Staff Director, Florida Sierra Club, 1990 Central Ave, St Petersburg, FL 33712, frank.jackalone@sierraclub.org

        Eric Draper, Executive Director, Audubon Florida, 4500 Biscayne Blvd Ste 205, Miami, FL 33137

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      And Perpetual Outflow suggested letters. I think letters can go to –

      Michael Brune, Chief Executive Officer, Sierra Club, 85 2nd St #2, San Francisco, CA 94105

      David Yarnold, Chief Executive Officer, National Audubon Society, 225 Varick St, New York, NY 10014

      Frank Jackalone, Staff Director, Florida Sierra Club, 1990 Central Ave, St Petersburg, FL 33712, frank.jackalone@sierraclub.org

      Eric Draper, Executive Director, Audubon Florida, 4500 Biscayne Blvd Ste 205, Miami, FL 33137

    • Lady Squash

      i am so sorry for this person. Keep praying. There still is hope.

    • aquaclara

      I’m a day late, but just wanted to comment on your terrific letter. My heart breaks for you, seeing the pain of all we know to be true take place within your own family.

      Please consider, if you might, posting this as an open letter in the Tampa Bay Times editorial or letter to the editor section, addressed and written just as you have it. There are many print readers of the paper that will see this story and share your pain. It might also put some public pressure on the politicians, most notably if they have been safe pointed or selected as a target for that.

      And maybe some of our terrific tweeters can help get this in front of the Tampa Bay Times editors as well.

      Take care, Free.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Thanks Aqua, and I will try that open letter.

    • indie8million
      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Thanks indie. I am going to screenshot that new link before it goes away. Do you think that the cult took down that earlier link?

  • Rasha

    Man, I’m away for approximately 728 Ortegas, and the place goes nuts! 2 posts and a thousand comments to get through!

    ..Sookie!!! Hope you’re indexing all this!!!

    • Sookie Sookie

      I may be obsessive, but even I have my limits. ๐Ÿ˜›

  • I am ready for more updates from Toronto now.

    • Snake Plissken

      Me too, I know it’s newsworthy but I’m over Reed Slatkin, to be honest I didn’t even know he was still alive.

      • He was and he wasn’t.

        • Snake Plissken

          Well now he isn’t and he isn’t

        • ze moo

          Schrodingers Slatkin?

          • Heh. I was referring to the state of his consciousness, rather in a speculative way.

            • Rasha

              …as opposed to “conscience”.

            • This is actually what I meant to say. Thanks.

            • Rasha

              Ha! I guess they both pretty much apply…

        • Jimmy3

          He was running a Zombi scheme then?

          • A bird in the chimney

            I groaaaaaaaned

            • Jimmy3

              Sorry. When I can actually feel my brain cells dying is usually when I log off my computer.
              It’s getting there.

            • A bird in the chimney

              My a-tech application was trying to get across groaning was happening while I lurched and shuffled across the comment section in search of brainz. Not sure that quite translated. ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Well put. Double Zombie scheme.

    • MrsLurksALot

      Good evening, Dodo.

      • Good one, Layla.

        • MrsLurksALot

          It’s been a while since we’ve run into each other. I hope you are well. Did I hear something about a promotion? If so, congratulations! If not, well work harder. JK!

          • Things are definitely getting better here. Thank you. Hope all is well with you too!

  • skiesareblue

    Hello, I’m taking a break to give you a few thoughts from the Conference.

    Hana Whitfield talked about the severe headaches she suffered for years on the Sea Org.
    When she left Scientology, the headaches stopped.
    Today, Chris Shelton explained the process of auditing, and how it messes with the brain.
    There are often two opposing ideas presented. He called it the “Double Bind”. Something
    Is presented and then contradicted. This freezes the mind and can produce intense headaches.
    Hana spoke up from the audience, and shared that just listening to Chris describe this process
    Just now, has brought on a headache.
    (This is also present in some of LRH’s books. He’ll say one thing on page 6 and contradict it on page 8.)

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      Contradiction always seemed a central tenet of Blubbardology to me.

    • April

      Chronic severe stress alone can also cause frequent headaches. Happened to me when I worked 7 years in a job totally unrelated to scientology. Mine were tension headaches where it feels like a vice grip had been clamped tight across the top of my forehead. Headaches stopped as soon as I quit that job. One of the best decisions of my life.

  • Mark

    I can think of at least one useful thing Reed Slatkin could still do from beyond the grave (refresh):

  • skiesareblue

    Quote from Jesse.. The evolution from LRH to Miscaviage… “He took a pile of crap and made it into shit”.
    It brought the house down.

    • Snake Plissken

      Yeah but now it’s a pile of shit with bigger certificates, better looking book covers, the gaudiest trophies known to man, and big empty buildings.

      • ReallyMGM

        Jesse is so wise. I can’t wait to read his book.

      • One Human

        Shinier shit.

    • Supper Powers

      Another gem.

  • skiesareblue

    The cult/religion issue surfaced. Tory says It doesn’t matter. It is a business, just out to make money. A price tag on every level. Jon Attack called into”the church of “Ker-CHING,”

  • skiesareblue

    Nancy Many’s film Brainwashed was shown last night. Made me cry, beautifully produced with extraordinary music.

    That’s all I have for now, next session is starting.

    • SarahDB

      Is this a new movie?

  • Hamtaro

    While we await more updates from the conference, it seemed like a joke might be in order. My mother always told me that if I can’t say something nice, don’t say anything. So, in honor of Mr. Slatkin’s passing, I’ve made him the star of the joke:

    Reed Slatkin dies and goes to Hell. When he arrives he is very surprised to see everyone gathered around picnic tables having a nice meal of Mexican food. So he asks Satan “what’s going on?” Satan says “do you like tamales?” Slatkin says “yeah, I love tamales.” Satan says “then you’ll love our Tamale Tuesdays, like today.”

    Then Satan asked Reed “how do you feel about whiffle ball?” and Slatkin replies “I love playing whiffle ball.” So Satan says “then you’re going to really enjoy Whiffle Ball Wednesdays.”

    Then Satan asks “how would you feel about having your anal cavity seared shut with a red hot poker?” Horrified, Slatkin says “I wouldn’t like that at all!” Satan replies “wow, then you’re really going to hate Fridays.”

    • flyonthewall

      what happens on Thursdays?

      • Missionary Kid

        Wiseass! (Joking)
        On Thursdays, he sits in front of a computer, listening to the dial-up modem connecting him to Earthlink, then dropping the connection, over and over.

        • flyonthewall

          bliss

      • Sookie Sookie

        They all dress up like this guy and create decorative arrangements of currency… (f5)

    • Techie

      Hamtaro, the version of that joke that used to be told on the Int Base went like this: A recent condemned soul was being shown around Hell, to choose his eternal torment. He nixed the Lake of Fire, too hot. Then he turned down the souls packed into ice, too cold. finally the Devil showed him a group standing in a pool of sewage, having a conversation. This seemed just right to the lost soul, so he jumped right in. In a moment, a uniformed Fiend called out with glee – “Break’s over, back on your heads!” So it became one of those running jokes, if anything was going about as badly as it could go and the meal time was cut back to 15 minutes, right at the end of that short frantic break someone would be sure to call out “OK, break’s over, back on your heads!”

    • CherryPitz
  • aquaclara

    The site that lays out the Reed Slatkin debacle is very well done. Tikk, if that’s you, great work, even all these years later. The connecting names and companies of the top 75 who made more than they put in include some Scientology names, a smattering of recognizable non-Scientologists, and more than enough questionable other connections to wonder how anyone sorted this mess out in the first place.

    I’m sorry for his family, and for the innocent investors who lost their money. I’m not sorry one bit for Scientology, who seems to buzz around scummy businesses like a bee around sunflowers. Digital Lightwave. EarthLink. National TItle.

    “Investors” who operate out of their garage are not usually on the up-and-up. Perhaps Scientology’s biggest crime here is that they encourage and model the kind of unethical behavior we saw here, in their own quest for a quick buck, taken irrespective of the cost.

    Tony, you set a new record for story-posting here. Great work, as always. Thank you so very much.

    • EarthLink Founders: Reed Slatkin, Sky Dayton

      • ze moo

        I used Earthlink as my ISP in the coal fired days of the internet with Netscape 1.1. It didn’t have all the memory overhead of AOL and the local dial up number had ok speeds. This was after using Compuserve and local university dial up phone lines in the text only days of a 2400 baud modem.

        Around 1999, I learned of the link between Earthlink and CO$. I bailed back to AOL until the local phone company came out with DSL. I keep switching back and forth between DSL and cable to get the best price. My phone lines are exceptional good, I get near cable speeds for $15 a month.

        Earthlink still operates a big ISP presence in Cali and other places (now headquartered in Atlanta Georgia), but gets more revenue from hosting and cloud stuff and corporate services. I remember getting lots of Earthlink stuff in the mail, much of it praising and worshiping Sky Dayton, the founder. Perhaps he has Lron’s disease too. Anyway, Dayton sort of retired some time ago. But I still keep away from Earthlink, stories of clam infiltration abound on the intertubez.

        • ReallyMGM

          I remember those days. I had to find something decent when I lost my university dial-up account, and Earthlink was cheap. I saw the Scientology link by accident though and nixed it. Did the same thing you did and waited for DSL.

        • Haha! I remember pming Chuck Beatty on FB for the 1st time, and he is like – oh cool, my email is ……, let’s talk. And I’m like – great, my email is …… @earthlink.net Chuck was like – nah. LOL

        • salin

          Netscape! In my SFBay years I had some friends who were early escapees from sunmicrosystems and other companies that worked for the fledgling Netscape before most folks were even aware of “search engines”. I had no idea of the connection between earthlink and scientology. When I moved to the midwest, for a year or two I used Earthlink (ugh.) But love the reminder of the early internet “search crawler” days of Netscape.

      • SarahDB

        I had earthlink too for a while, never realized the link to the Co$

        • ze moo

          Earthlink tried very hard to be the next AOL. Then they were…..

    • SarahDB

      Did the guy in charge of trying to get some of the money back for investors, try getting $ back from Co$?

      • Yes, and they did repay sme but not all that the cult and it’s front groups received from the fraudulent transfers. I posted specific info earlier on tonight, downstream, with specifics on which PDFs to read at the site link, but I don’t have tome to locate it or rewrite it all again. Go here, look for Scn_Slatkin CoS-Trustee files, there are 4 up there, one may be a duplicate.
        http://lermanet.com/fraud

        There are other Slatkin related court documents there, on who the trustee sued to recover monies but not all are there. It was too expensive a project.. but those 4 mentioned are about the church and front group and the trustee. You just have to hover over the list entries and ead the hyperlink address until you find the the CoS 4.

        The Fraud docs on that list are ones related to Slatkin and other scientologist’s Bankruptcy fraud matters which I collected and were put up there.some time ago

    • t1kk

      Thanks. It was a collective effort, with major contributions from Kady O’Malley, Rob Clark, and Charlotte Kates. It wasn’t sorted out until we sorted it out, basically, which is something we realized early on–even without Scientology as a factor it would have been confusing given the huge numbers of people. Like a game of musical chairs where no one knew each other’s names, or how many chairs there would be. Add Scientology to that mix and you’ve got a number of creditors with economically perverse incentives to protect the church from bad publicity. So simply putting together those lists was an enormous help because it helped creditors identify other creditors and quantify the number of ‘musical chairs.’ Because we approached it as journalism and were straight with everyone, many creditors trusted and contacted us and provided documents, helping fill out the site. The highlight was maybe Bennetta Slaughter’s attempts to organize the shareholders, quite obviously on Scientology’s behalf. When we explained who Slaughter was, that ended fast. The FBI contacted me a few times, especially early on when they were still trying to wrap their heads around the case. Technically speaking, the timing was unfortunate b/c it was just prior to the wide availability of out-of-the-box content publishing systems (blogs), so I wound up coding a crude php publishing platform to make it easier to post news stories. I’m not even sure how to post to it anymore, but I’ve left it alone because it still has occasional value to the critic community.

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        Wow, this is totally new knowledge about this to me. Excellent.
        I seriously learn something new every darn time I visit this blog.
        Fascinating!

      • aquaclara

        It has huge benefit to all of us. It’s more than a little convoluted, because, as you note so well, there are creditors with a backwards view of things, the “economically perverse incentives” that ensure some(many?) are there to protect Scientology above all else.

        What a minefield. Write a book, ok? There’s a story here.

  • skiesareblue

    From this morning. Incredible couple!

    • Juicer77

      The Tony & Paulette Show, as some wise commenter called it before.
      In NYC they were so funny, correcting each other mid-sentence when they got details mixed up.

  • sizzle8

    The information on Tikk’s site about Jack Dirmann is fascinating.
    He and his wife, Irene, came to our org on mission once.
    What a nasty piece of work… a true example of what can happen to someone when you put a uniform on them, and not in a good sense.

  • brendon

    I seem to recall there is an episode of “American Greed” dedicated to Reed Slatkin.

    • SarahDB

      Swim downthread, it’s been posted.

      • brendon

        Yay! Thanks.

  • SarahDB

    Here’s a reposting of the link to Jonny Jacobsen’s blog on the conference: https://www.byline.com/column/9/article/109

  • J. Swift

    In some way I feel that Reed Slatkin’s death is symbolic of the impending death of the Church of Scientology in its present form.

    *****
    In his heyday, Reed Slatkin was the quintessential Scientologist and was lionized for his financial success.

    No one in the Church of Scientology should deceive themselves: Financial success is the highest attainment in Scientology. IMO, that is what every public Scientology is actually and really after. Scientology is a church full of avaricious hustlers.

    The Church claims responsibility for the financial success of its members and attributes their financial success to the application of the Tech. Hence, the Church expects and demands its cut of the financial success of its members. Conversely, the Church completely ignores the wide swath of financially destroyed people it has left in its wake.

    The inner circle of wealthy and celebrity Scientologists is the elite glitterati of the Church of Scientology. It is all about IAS status and being an OTVIII at that level. These status conscious elite Scientologists are willingly blind to the killing system of Scientology.

    Reed Slatkin could do no wrong when he was the wealthiest Scientologist in the world. Slatkin was lauded, feted, and celebrated as the Ideal Scientologist.

    I agree with Scott Pilutik that Reed Slatkin was a victim of Scientology. The system of Scientology demands ever-increasing amounts of cash. Some people cross the line into criminality to get the money. One OTVIII who failed in the money game was Steve Brackett, the one time fiancee of Nancy Cartwright. Brackett killed himself by jumping off a bridge in Big Sur after going bankrupt. How symbolic.

    *****
    When his Ponzi scheme fell apart it was “Reed who?” Scientology didn’t seem to remember him anymore than it can remember Mary Sue Hubbard or anyone else who is Out PR.

    • Missionary Kid

      Scientology shares with Communism (and many other dictatorial forms of government and authoritarian movements) the technique of historical revisionism.

      They also keep repeating their mistakes, because looking back, their internal history tells them that they made no mistakes to be improved on.

      It’s a perfect system for failure in a changing world.

    • Kestrel

      “Financial success is the highest attainment in Scientology. IMO, that is what every public Scientologist is actually about and really after.” One need only look at those who sat in the first row during the SP building opening ceremony to confirm this.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    I have got to go to a funeral today for my friend Mike, who also died of a massive heart attack at 66 yrs old.
    I think when I get to it Iam gonna stay 65 for 2 yrs and then go straight to 67, just in case.
    As for Reed I don’t give a shit at his death, and I dare say his victims don’t either, but Iam sorry for his loved ones loss.

    • Sookie Sookie

      Very sorry to hear that, MirrorThetan. I hope the funeral helps you through your loss.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        Thanks Sookie. He died a month ago, and they have only just released his body, due to his sudden death, so I have had time and dealt with it as best I can. I have only been to 3 other funerals in my life and I just want it to be over with.

        • Juicer77

          I hear ya. Formal funerals are no help to me whatsoever. I prefer other ways to say goodbye.

          • ReallyMGM

            I love Jewish funerals. I don’t know why, but the ones I have been to have been very special celebrations of life.

            • Juicer77

              I much prefer the afterparty (?) when everyone swaps funny stories and memories.
              ETA: it’s a good thing my mema’s after-luncheon was at our house, because the uproarious laughter would have gotten us thrown out of any restaurant ๐Ÿ™‚ She was 97 and had a good run and would have loved it.

            • Rasha

              When my Dad died, he went just as he had wished to, and after the Marine service, we each picked up a shell from the 21-gun salute, then we partied like he would have enjoyed seeing us do. Don’t like funerals, neither did he.

            • Juicer77

              Military services are wonderful. Full of meaning, brief and respectful. I’m glad you partied for him.

            • Missionary Kid

              21 gun salute? That should only be rendered for a head of state. Actually, it’s a 21 volley salute for a head of state.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21-gun_salute In the military funerals that I’ve participated in, a 3 volley salute was performed.

              Semper Fi.

            • Rasha

              The salute/volley was performed by the local VFW Post (seven members, 3 shots each), and 3 smart Marines for the folding and presentation of the flag, and a brief word. It was in a small town cemetery in rural Ohio, and scared the daylights out of the neighbors, which would have given him the biggest smile.

            • Missionary Kid

              I was in a burial detail once. It was in a small rural church outside of Ponce de Leon, Florida. When the shots rang out, the kids started to cry, and when taps was played, everyone else did, too.

              It was a closed casket funeral for a Marine who had been killed by our own napalm, because if it had been dropped any further away, the position would have been overrun by Viet Cong, and everyone would have died. He gave his life so his fellow Marines could live.

            • Rasha

              I will take that thought with me.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m glad your dad would have smiled. Any other Marine would understand.

              He sounds like a good Marine. Semper Fi.

            • Rasha

              Thanks, Kid. ๐Ÿ™‚ Good man all around.

    • Observer

      Nice selection of Kirstie tweets. It’s like she doesn’t remember what she says from one day to the next.

      • She doesn’t.

        • Sherbet

          She’s a victim of her hormones.

          • OTestrogen or Thetasterone?

            • Observer

              refresh
              .

            • I will take it as a compliment, Obsy.

            • Observer

              As indeed it is

            • Sherbet

              She’s randy; she’s virginal; she’s crude; she’s chaste. The girl just can’t help those galloping hormones.

            • Observer

              She should be past menopause by now. The hormones should have settled.

            • Sherbet

              You’d think. Maybe her hormones are like BTs. Always there, always pestering her for something, always urging her to open her yap and say something stupid.

            • Observer

              I seriously would not be surprised if she had some kind of psychotic break at some point. She seems very unstable, and Scientology isn’t helping.

            • Jimmy3

              I have no malice for Scientology celebrities. I don’t wish them any harm. I really don’t wish a psychotic break on anyone, to be honest.

              ..but if it does happen, I really, really hope it happens on Twitter. There isn’t enough popcorn in the world to match how awesome that would be.

            • Observer

              I’m definitely not wishing it on her. I just think it’s highly likely based on her current public conduct.

            • Jimmy3

              But it will be live on Twitter, right?

            • Observer

              Given all the vag tweeting, I assume so.

            • I was about to say. It’s been happening already for a while.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              And the last thing I EVER want to get a visual image of is HER VAG.
              I would like to deck her just for that alone.

            • You don’t have a rank.

            • Missionary Kid

              Snortle!

            • ReallyMGM

              Yes, please.

            • Missionary Kid

              Her crazy goes beyond hormones. I believe it’s narcissistic hubris aided by $cientologist certainty. According to her, she’s always right, and if you point out where she’s wrong, she’ll tell you that you’re wrong about it.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Ironically, ….she is a poster child for psych drugs.
              Just sayin’.

          • Jimmy3

            It’s easy to forget how many hormones are in booze.

      • ReallyMGM

        #idiot

      • Given the US’s propensity for ever more extreme Reality TV I genuinely believe that sooner or later something along the lines of “Deprogramming the Celeb Scientologist” will appear and Krustie is going to be famous all over again [I’d watch that show, ed]

        • Jimmy3

          I’d watch the hell out of that show. But I’d still dislike Kirstie. Because even if she wasn’t a raving lunatic Scoentologist, she’d still be very annoying and unpleasant. She’d still have that inflated ego and that horrible sense of humor.

          Why not save Beck or Jason Lee instead. Or the sailboat guy.

          • ReallyMGM

            Save Beck. I would really like to listen to him.

          • Juliette Lewis.

            • Jimmy3

              Who’s the one that’s Julia Stiles-ish? Save her too.

            • Yeah, Erika Christensen.

            • Jimmy3

              Yes. Erika Stiles. She is alright.

        • Robert Hammond

          I can see a show like that. Kind of a cross between Celebrity Rehab, Intervention, and Real Housewives of Beverly Hills with 19 Kids and Counting and Honey Boo boo thrown in for grins.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Which breasts is it about today?

        • Missionary Kid

          It’s not breast. It’s boob. The one between her ears.

  • daisy

    Now that I have the hang of posting I hope that Tony will see he has another fan who so appreciates his bleach to COS dog poop full of slugs

    • flyonthewall

      poetry

      • Sherbet

        She’s a daisy; no shrinking violet.

    • Juicer77

      Daisy, you’re my kind of gal. Bold and brassy! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      Hahaha…………you are my kind of flower!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Hi Daisy, I’m glad you sorted out your ‘name’ ๐Ÿ™‚

  • SP Wogsy

    Such a tragic story. When I was at C.C. completing my purification, I remember a similar story from a Scientolgist who told me that she invested a lot of money into something similar like this. Long story shory, the investor ended up losng all the money that was given to him by many Scientologists, and her husband went into shock so she ended up having to support the family. Anyways, I’m just sickened about what Church members are willing to put up with and what they are wiling to put their families through for some made-up bat crazy shit. Uuuugh!!!!

    ETA: She was OT 7!!!!!!

    Anyways, I’m hoping someone can post some pics from the conference!

    O/T: James Horner, Oscar-winning film composer, died in an airplane crash yesterday. Such a talented man. RIP

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45fBVrnAmEc

    • Sherbet

      I just listened to Celine Dion’s version of the theme from Titanic. Yes, it’s sappy, and, yes, she’s all saccharine, but the song got to me, as someone who’s lost people I’ve loved. Horner struck the perfect chord, no pun intended.

      • SP Wogsy

        I watched her sing it Live at one of her concerts, and I cried just the same way. It’s a touching love song or I’m a groupie lol.

        • EmmaDaoust

          Sadly, her husband Rene is very ill.

    • Robert Hammond

      Thank you for the video. James Horner made many wonderful contributions through his music. Here is moving tribute that I just shared on Twitter: (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D22nRhXbX4&feature=youtu.be

      • Sherbet

        That made me wicked sad, Robert.

      • SP Wogsy

        Beautiful. Thank you for sharing. One of my favorite songs composed by James Horner is Casper’s Lullaby. I listen to it at least once a week when I’m journaling. Good music for the soul.

      • Juicer77

        That’s how to do a beautiful production. Stage full of gorgeous images, talented musicians and fabulous talent. Suck it, Co$.
        I had no idea Mr. Horner worked on all those films, what a creative genius.

        • Sherbet

          I was shocked at the long list, too.

      • ReallyMGM

        I had no idea he had done the music for some of my favorite movies until I read the news yesterday. Thanks for this Robert.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        How lovely.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      oh how awful !

    • Snake Plissken

      Everybody loses their except the cult, they got to keep all of the money that was scammed by these criminals and given to them.

  • Scientology itself is the ultimate ponzi scheme.

    • Just for today we should call it a Slatkin Scheme. It’s almost alliterative anyways.

    • salin

      But without requiring a payout to the initial investors. The payout is super powers and immortality with no requirement for evidence of either!

  • Juicer77

    Since we’re in a lull waiting for updates from Toronto, thought you all would enjoy this. My puppy (ha) and foster kitty enjoying some quality time. (f5)

    • Rasha

      OMIGAWD! I could skritch those ears all freakin’ day!!!!! <333333

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Ohh, they both have really long ears like Nat’s puppy. How sweet ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        I gotta go find Eddie and give him a cuddle now.

      • Migraine is gone?

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I think so, get out of bed, find myself drawn to the computer, stare unblinking at a screen for a couple of hours…and back it comes. I wonder why, Dodo ๐Ÿ˜›

          • Missionary Kid

            Need computer glasses?

    • salin

      My icon picture is similar – our 10 week old golden (now nearly a yr old) with a relatives Great Dane. Not quite touching nose – but the puppy is trying, and the Dane is patient.

      • Frodis73

        Great Danes are so wonderful. They can be so gentle-some are very aware of their size. I had one help with a litter of kittens. Adorable pic you have there…brings back memories.

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          I had two of them. Lovely dogs.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    What a great way to run a ponzi sceme! Naked and on a vintage phone. Remember those days you were really ON the phone!

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      See that painting behind Reed on the wall. I did that.

      • Missionary Kid

        Do you have an image of it so we can see it in its full glory?

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          Oh no, I mean I mixed brown, mustard yellow and terracotta in a decorating scheme once.
          It was a total disaster.
          ๐Ÿ˜‰

          • Missionary Kid

            I believe that the color shift caused by the aging of Kodacolor made the colors look worse than they might have been.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Possibly!…But my memory of those years was that it really looked that shitty.
              And we liked it!

              Actually (seriously), I really did do a lot of those “Nagel” type pictures of women..(In the seventies though and he was much hotter later) that were very similar to that one. But I always did black and white only.
              It was kind of my signature art until I discovered primary colors…………..Hahahaha.

      • Around what year was that photo taken, Suzanna? Was that during his time at the Berkeley Mission?

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          I was just kidding. but it sure looks like an early-mid 70’s photo.

      • ReallyMGM

        I knoticed the painting when I looked at the photo. Very unique!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Reed was actually known for his art collection! I love it:)

  • EmmaDaoust

    I heard this song in the car on the way home from the conference this evening. It summed up the most meaningful message Jon Atack speaks of. There are people still in Scientology who are questioning, who are unhappy, but who are not ready to leave because they’re not ready or not able to, not yet, because of disconnection, because their whole family is in, because they don’t have anywhere to go. Like a spouse trapped in an abusive marriage.

    Jon speaks about being there for survivors. He’s not “at war” with Scientology. This is so crucial, because it is being human, being compassionate, having empathy, that is so lacking in Scientology. It has damaged people to their core. If you’re still in, there are people “out here” who care.

    “Bridge Over Troubled Water”

    When you’re weary, feeling small,

    When tears are in your eyes, I will dry them all;

    I’m on your side. When times get rough

    And friends just can’t be found,

    Like a bridge over troubled water

    I will lay me down.

    Like a bridge over troubled water

    I will lay me down.

    When you’re down and out,

    When you’re on the street,

    When evening falls so hard

    I will comfort you.

    I’ll take your part.

    When darkness comes

    And pain is all around,

    Like a bridge over troubled water

    I will lay me down.

    Like a bridge over troubled water

    I will lay me down.

    Sail on silvergirl,

    Sail on by.

    Your time has come to shine.

    All your dreams are on their way.

    See how they shine.

    If you need a friend

    I’m sailing right behind.

    Like a bridge over troubled water

    I will ease your mind.

    Like a bridge over troubled water

    I will ease your mind.

    Paul Simon

    I left the cult that I was involved in over 20 years ago, after 15 years in. I am grateful to the therapeutic support and care of my two psychiatrists for helping me come back to life.

    • Missionary Kid

      So much for the “evil psychs.” They’ve helped you undo the evil of $cientology.

      • EmmaDaoust

        I was in a different cult. It was nowhere near as toxic and destructive as Scientology. But a cult all the same. I remember feeling a bit strange going to a psychiatrist at first, like I was betraying my “master”. I’m lucky, I had a good therapeutic relationship with my doctors (the first one retired). For a Scientologist, I gather it would be VERY difficult to seek out professional help, so it might be reassuring knowing that there are survivors out here to lend an ear

        • Missionary Kid

          Cults are really soul-rendering, aren’t they? Thanks for sharing.

          • EmmaDaoust

            Here’s lookin’ at you, Kid.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      What a completely beautiful post. Copying it for posterity.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Thanks Emma, that was one of my favorite songs sad it helped me a lot.

  • nottrue
    • Three bids, three tits, she still has no current work worthy of mention.

    • DMSTCC

      Kirstie Alley doesn’t have the fucking rank to get SO labor. Even COB knows she’s a degraded being.

    • Ruby

      ^
      I just had to give this an extra up vote.

  • Jimmy3

    The Bunker always picks me up when I’m down. Thank you.

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      ๐Ÿ˜‰ i knowrite?

    • I don’t remember picking you up, but hey, anytime, bud!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      You okay, Jimbob?

      • Jimmy3

        I think so. Yeah. I got kicked out of a Mcdonald’s PlayPlace earlier today, and I was kinda bummed about it. I was crying, I said “Dad dad dad dad dad dad dad, please, please don’t ship me to South Africa! Please! I’ll be good! I swear!”

        He said, “I’m not your dad, bro. I just work here. But you can’t do what you were doing in the ball pit. You have to go.”

        Then I got free hash browns. So it was ok after all

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          snort

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Poor little boy ๐Ÿ˜› Did they give you an extra toy with your kids’ meal?

          • Jimmy3

            Typical. Because I enjoy the PlayPlace, you just assume I order a happy meal. You people are all alike.

            And no, I already had that toy. It was a repeat.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Phew….? ๐Ÿ˜›

  • Sam Domingo

    Scientology. The silent cancer that breaks hearts and eats souls. I hate the death it brings more and more with each living breath I take.

    • Missionary Kid

      The best revenge is to live well. You’re doing it.

      • Eclipse-girl

        ^^^ X eleventy billion

        • Rasha

          ^^^ X 47, for good measure…

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      When you guys coming to stay at my house and pet the kitteh?

      Eddie says Hi…(and bring spirits ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Sam Domingo

        When we finish ‘everything’ and get some time off ๐Ÿ˜€ We’re way overdue a visit – wish the cult would hurry up and die already so we can all just have a big party

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          NO SHIT!!!!

    • Robert Hammond

      Maybe Big Pharma will come up with a cancer cure.

      Speaking of which, has everybody gotten their Pharma checks from the Duggan slush fund yet? They paid for the Toronto conference and Unbreakable Miss Lovely tour already, right?

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        Sigh……..they are always late.
        ALWAYS!

        • Robert Hammond

          You haven’t got yours yet either? Thought it was just me. I’m used to them always coming on Tuesdays. I need yacht money.

          • Sid

            I told you guys, get on direct deposit. Duggan dollars, on time, every time.

            • Robert Hammond

              Yeah. I keep reminding myself to set that up with one of my Cayman Island accounts. Meanwhile I’ll just wait on the check to come in the mail as usual.

  • The Cherch of scientology gave air cover to Reed Slatkin for years ~~~ even
    when they knew all was not well because he was giving the Cult mega bucks. Huge sums of ill gained $$$$

    They only declared him SP after the FEDS moved in
    See Reed Slatkin in video below.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5HSNRrD-Ls

    • SarahDB

      Thanks to you and Jeffrey for continuing to speak your truth.

  • Reed Slatkin was apprenticed and interned by Bob Duggan in Santa Barbara for some years. Slatkin would brag to investors that he was trained by Bob Duggan in investments.
    Duggan correctly perceived all was not well and cut it off and distanced himself. No matter what Slatkin learned from Duggan in terms of these investments, Slatkin went rogue, something Duggan never did.

    • Robert Hammond

      Interesting how they always step away and disavow affiliation or knowledge when someone takes the fall. Like Mary Sue and the “rogues” during Operation Snow White.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Quotes and more from today:

    Paulette Cooper, from her talk this morning:
    An ex from Belgium writes for several years, in her annual Christmas card to Paulette –
    “Thank you for saving me from being a crazy $cientology lady.”

    Jon Atack, on fair game:
    “These awful traumatic experiences are visited upon you,
    not because you are trying to hurt anyone,
    but because you are trying to tell the truth.”

    Tony Ortega on the objective difference between the $cientology scene in 2011 and 2015:
    “I can’t keep up.”

    This was not long before we return from a break to the sight of Tony,
    on Vaquera’s phone, wearing headphones, conducting an interview.

    As Chris Shelton speaks about the horrors of the Truth Rundown
    and FPRD (False Purpose Rundown) – basically a corrupt form of
    emotional and mental abuse largely reserved for the Sea Org on the RPF,
    the purpose of which is to make $cientology right and it’s minions wrong,
    Tony is typing behind me – the Reed Slatkin obituary he was interviewing about.
    Breaking news on the Bunker.

    A very touching moment, when Spanky (who must be one of the kindest people I have ever met)
    spoke of being posted to Toronto as pr/handler for a band with a hit. (Edmond Bear, perhaps?)
    She called Nan McLean, thinking she had a mission.
    Nan put her right pretty quickly and told her of torture and troubles in $cientology.
    Spanky went back to her boss who labeled Nan a loony.
    But Spanky kept thinking how genuine and kind Nan seemed.
    As she said, “You might shovel it under the mental carpet” but it stayed
    with her.
    Then she said that it had been one of the highlights of this conference, meeting Nan and thanking her.

    Hana, Nancy and Jesse thanked Chris for addressing the Truth Rundown.
    The hurt and harm that it has wrought was palpable.

    Spanky’s description of introducing Robin Williams to Diana Hubbard was funny and bitter-sweet.
    Nora piggybacking a kid to the disapproval of her commanding officer (which part of the alphabet soup,
    I deliberately disregarded) was funny in the telling but telling in the fear of the possibility of the RPF.

    Another wonderful day.
    The lunch at Tuckers – as I look behind me while waiting for a traffic light, I see Gerry Armstrong deep in conversation with Paulette, Tony somewhere nearby, Vaquera and Miss Duran beside me.
    Phew.

    This is a historic conference.
    I am so happy it is being professionally filmed.
    Jamie tomorrow night!

    • Ella Raitch

      Thanks for stopping by….

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      I so want to kick myself for not going to this now. ARGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Would have been your Abbey Road, my dear. See ya soon!

      • Whiskeyjack

        I too would’ve loved to have gone, but I’m 16 hours away (by car) on the other side of Ontario.

    • Observer

      Jelly!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Please check your email, Pan! *bouncing up and down*

    • SP Wogsy

      Thanks for the update!!! : )

    • Eclipse-girl

      Thank you

    • EmmaDaoust

      note – the band in Toronto was Edward Bear.

    • Thanks, Pan! Another huge important aspect of this gathering, I would imagine, is a great opportunity for major critics to sort out any disagreements/misunderstandings in person. OSA has sads.

    • Sid

      That would be Edward Bear, which was the band’s name. His name was Larry Evoy. I supervised him on course in the Academy for a while. Would have been mid to late ’72 and early ’73. Larry had this phone in a briefcase. This was way, way before cell phones. He was pretty successful back then. I think he and his wife went on to raise quarter horses north of Toronto later on.

      • Robert Ramsay

        What about Danny Marks ?

        • Sid

          I don’t remember Danny, but Mike Argue was around then. He had the band Chester with the hit song Make my Life a Little Bit Brighter. I think Mike passed away a few years ago.

          • Robert Ramsay

            I wrote Danny when Going Clear came out suggesting that now was the time and he was not having any of it. I had seen him @ the Rex a couple of weeks prior and they had made a few references to the church so I thought he was warm to it but apparently not.

            • Sid

              For some reason I don’t remember him. Could have been after we left the area.

            • Robert Ramsay

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              I remember them as The New Potatoes. Larry Evoy eventually sued
              Scientology though he was involved when I was involved. I’d see him
              around but we never spoke. The guitar player for New Potatoes was Danny
              Marks. Things are never as simple as the story makes them seem but I
              heard Danny Marks and Larry Evoy had a falling out over Scientology with
              Danny Marks as the guy who was opposed to it. Danny Marks later became
              famous throughout Canada as a personality on public radio.

              I ran
              into Danny Marks in a bar once. We are both Jews and about the same age.
              I thought I recognized him from the past and he felt similarly. We
              started going through our early years. What high school did you go to, I
              asked, but that wasn’t the link. What summer camp? Did you hang out at
              the park? Where did you go to university? We couldn’t make the
              connection. Months later I realized that I had done TRs with him.

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            • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

              That’s as I remember it and I have little to add. I tried to contact Danny Marks on Facebook but he didn’t respond.

          • Robert Ramsay

            Curious if the name Bill Palmer rings a bell ?

            • Sid

              No, but I have to admit I don’t have the best memory.

            • Robert Ramsay

              Bill use to be with a group called the Cobblers which went on to become
              Simon Caine. Had a number of well known Toronto studio musicians in it. I
              was chatting with his wife and apparently he was involved with the c of
              s for a time. She was as well but bailed when they starting asking for $$$$. I think he may have been the person that introduced Peter (brother)
              to the church.

      • indie8million

        Here’s a little article about Larry Evoy. http://foreveryoungnews.com/posts/466-no-last-song-for-edward-bear

        • Sid

          Cool article, thanks.

          • indie8million

            YW.

    • Sherbet

      Any chance of getting more details on this story: “Spanky’s description of introducing Robin Williams to Diana Hubbard was funny and bitter-sweet.”?

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        Oh, yes please, Pan. If you can.

      • Jimmy3

        Sounds like it could be made of the sads.
        I watched Robin Williams on Inside the Actors Studio the other day.
        He was so damn quick. So damn funny. His brain operated at faster speeds than the rest of us muggles.

        Then I just got the sads all over again.

        • Sherbet

          The Bunker is full of sads tonight. James Horner’s death hit me hard, for no particular reason. Got any jokes?

          • Jimmy3

            Borrowed from an email I received:


            I was reading an article last night about fathers and sons, and memories came flooding back of the time I took my son out for his first drink.

            Off we went to our local bar, which is only two blocks from the house.

            I got him a Guinness Stout. He didn’t like it – so I drank it.
            Then I got him a Murphy’s; he didn’t like it either, so I drank it.

            It was the same with Beamish and O’Hara’s and Kilkenny.

            By the time we got down to the Irish whiskey….

            I could hardly push the stroller back home

            • Sherbet

              That is SO BAD. Yet I find myself laughing out loud. Cheers!

          • indie8million

            Wow. That’s a lot of music that just stopped playing. Don’t blame you for being sad.

        • EmmaDaoust

          And his mouth operated even faster than his brain, smoke was seen when he spoke. And sparks too.

      • skiesareblue

        If I recall this correctly, as Spanky made the introduction, Robin Williams grabbed her hands, fell to his knees, and shouted “I’m HERE!!!!”

        • I heard

          “I’M HEALED!!”

          • skiesareblue

            HA!!!!! Even better. Love it. Thanks Jens..

        • indie8million

          Did she laugh? Have a comeback?

    • Juicer77

      Great report. Thanks!

    • aquaclara

      Thanks. Great lines from our wise friends.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I love that Nan MacLean lit the spark for Spanky or at least a burning ember waiting to fire up.

    • Lady Squash

      ME TOO–THAT IS, HAPPY IT IS BEING PROFESSIONALLY FILMED.

    • Missionary Kid

      Thank you, Pan.

    • joan nieman

      Thank you Pan. An excellent report.

  • The Maiden Voyage Event took place on the Fleewinds a few days ago.
    I bet they had less attendees than Toronto SP symposium. These are the times.

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      Yippee!

    • Sid

      “Sorry I couldn’t make it to the Maiden Voyage Event because my Superman costume was at the cleaners. “

    • Sherbet

      Can someone explain why every voyage seems to be called a Maiden Voyage? First sailing is a maiden voyage. Maidenhood is virginity; you get only one shot.

      • Juicer77

        Anniversary of the maiden voyage or some such rot. Now I’ll tell you how I really feel ๐Ÿ™‚ Off to bed!

        • Sherbet

          Happy snoozing, Juicer. Your Birds are kicking my Sox in the pants, as usual.

          • Juicer77

            Can’t even stay up for ‘dem O’s, hon. See you in the AM!

      • That’s how Miscavige celebrates Hubbard kicking the bucket in 1986.

        In September 1986, the Flag Ship Trust purchased Bohรจme, renamed her Freewinds
        and refitted her to enable its use for Scientology purposes.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freewinds

        • Sherbet

          When I think “Hubbard,” I don’t think “Maiden.” But DM has his own ideas.

        • Sherbet

          It says the Maiden Voyage is held every June, but I still don’t get it. No big deal.

          • Eileen

            It’s the anniversary of the maiden voyage, sort of like a repeat of the first time everyone got screwed.

            • Sherbet

              Thank you. Finally, an answer. Those scientologists celebrate some pretty dumb things. Any excuse to squeeze a few more bucks out of their “parishioners.”

      • Sid

        Young Davy on the first to last,
        has failed to raise the mizzen mast.
        And now he pumps his chest with pride,
        “That maiden head it’s mine”, he lied.

        • Sherbet

          Arrrggghh, me lad. ‘Tis a fine sea chanty you’re singin’.

          • Sid

            Well shiver me timbers but it’s Davy who’s singin’ flat you know.

            • Sherbet

              I just had a horrible visual: DM singing in the shower.

            • Sid

              Gaaahhh. Was Tom there?

            • Sherbet

              No. I can’t.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        They’re exploiting the painful angle?

        That’s all I got.

        • Sherbet

          Ouch!

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            That’s what they all (should) say when the bank statements and credit card bills come in.

    • Ruby

      Well…the Captain orders that every org has an OTC representative present. Several years ago there were requests sent from our org to pay for the flight for our OTC rep. I saw something at Rinder’s blog recently along that same line as well. So…hard to say if the attendees was more or less….but without question, the WANTING to be there attendees in Toronto was far more!

    • Eivol Ekdal

      New photos up on the SCN FB page…
      https://www.facebook.com/churchofscientology

  • daisy

    I told this story at the conference site but I think its funny so Ill repeat it . I look after my very old and very senile mom. One day at the hospital we were watching a Tv program. I said to her I don’t really care for that actor. As bright as day she said OH why is he a scientologist

    • Sherbet

      Funny story. They surprise you sometimes, don’t they?

  • Mark

    Ho! David Love’s waking Canada up to Narconon and Shortarse’s scams with a vengeance (and with lots of blatantly faked photos from the dreaded Impact magazine): http://www.wireservice.ca/index.php?module=News&func=display&sid=16235

    • Sherbet

      Mark! Shouldn’t you be tucked into bed at this hour?

      • Mark

        Just waiting for a download to finish, & then it’s off to the land of Nod…

        • Sherbet

          OK. At my age, I’m everyone’s mum. Sweet dreams.

          • Missionary Kid

            Who’s the senior senior? I’m only 70.

            • Sherbet

              65 here.

    • Sherbet

      Good article from David Love. How does cos keep up the lie that narconon is not scientology when they put that information into print themselves? Rhetorical question.

    • Ella Raitch

      The Australian Narconon stories are a downright lie as we all know. Well, they don’t actually say it is open and taking clients but that is the impression that they are creating. Lies! Fraud! I know these have been forwarded on to the Australian media and Sen. Xenophon no doubt, but I really need to find out who/how I can protest this.

  • SarahDB

    Just a wee reminder about flagging Co$ ads

    Tips for Flagging: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/ta…ds-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2533632

    Ad spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

  • daisy

    I live in Canada but I am not sure if COS receives tax exempt status here. If they do, how can I help to rectify that thanks in advance for the input

    • Sherbet

      If you figure out the magic words to wake up your Canadian tax people, please let us know here in the States.

    • SFFrog

      They don’t (except in Quebec for some reason). Though they do have property tax breaks in other places, including Toronto. So lobby appropriate municipal governments, I guess.

      • EmmaDaoust

        They owe Toronto over $100grand in back taxes. And Quebec does everything different. Or is that differently. Word clearer – mop up in Aisle 3.

        • Sid

          I think the same for Montreal.

        • Eileen

          So they are tax exempt in Toronto, by their own rules they just don’t pay. They know that govt doesn’t want the fight.

          • They always wait until the last minute, then try for a “compromise”. The last time, they were full of bluster that Revenue Canada was about to give them charity status (fail), they would get it all back, and big legal fight. They got their 50% compromise that was supposed to be reviewed in a few years but never was.

            I guess they’re hoping that no one will realize that a new compromise will be on top of the existing compromise, and that they shouldn’t even get the old compromise because an empty building isn’t being used for religious purposes.

            • I used air-quotes on “compromise” because if I walked into a store and said I wanted a $500 item for free, but why don’t we compromise and I pay $250, the store wouldn’t call it a compromise.

            • SFFrog

              I think the time to go after their exemption in Toronto is in the run up to the Pride Festival. It’s a bit tourist draw and their eyesore on Yonge street is right on the parade route. And of course there is the Scientology homophobia.

        • Missionary Kid

          Differently. It’s an adverb, modifying a verb, IIRC.

      • Sherbet

        Frog, you don’t visit the Bunker often enough, but you always have interesting things to say. However, your avatar creeps me out. Don’t change it on my account. But, ew.

        • SFFrog

          I read all the time I just don’t always comment.

          And my avatar is William Blake’s “Ghost of a Flea”, which looks a lot like the bronze Hubbard busts.

          • Sherbet

            I thought it was a gargoyle. Compared to lrh, though, it’s Brad Pitt.

            Comment more often!

      • kemist

        There was a quรฉbรฉcois senator some time ago who tried to build up a movement to have their tax exempt status revoked in Quรฉbec.

        Personally I think we should strike religious tax exemption from our tax code altogether. It’s past time, and our present government has been looking for things to cut out to balance the budget.

        But they are so inept that I don’t think they’ll give this some thought. They are a bunch of crooks who profit from any lobby that has funds to write checks to the party.

  • Can someone text Vaquera that it’s time for another update? She is mesmerized again.

  • Tony, we know you are reading it. I can almost see you. Update, please.

    • Frodis73

      I thought Tony had left and was on his way back home…or to the next book stop. Something like that.

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        yes Betsy just reported she saw him checking out.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Hm, I thought she was checking him out.

          • Frodis73

            Lol, I bet that was part of it. He really is looking good in all these pics (says the woman with none to three hormones that think of those type things) lately!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I’m saving all of these for the next time I get called out for flirting with one of you Bunker cuties.

            • skiesareblue

              Astonishingly handsome in person.

  • Sherbet

    I’ll catch you all in the morning, when the fun and games begin anew.

    • A bird in the chimney

      Night, Sherb. I think it’s time for me to turn in, too. Keep it up, Bunkeroos!

    • Ella Raitch

      Hugs Sherb – these are exciting times. We gotta pace ourselves

      • Sherbet

        I find myself thinking about scientology, the Bunker, or Tony’s book nearly every waking moment. Not good! Taking your advice and pacing myself. Hugs back.

  • FollowTheMoney

    Reed Slatkin’s story raises a couple of issues for me…. If the e-meter is as powerful a tool for sniffing out infractions as scientologists believe, then shouldn’t it have detected Slatkin’s decade of financial deception? The other issue of course is that perhaps it DID and the scilon powers that be knowingly allowed it to continue. Reed’s PC folders would be an interesting read. Bet they don’t exist anymore.

    • ReallyMGM

      “Clear” should have covered it, too. Not to mention OT levels and all the other nonsense.

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Proof they don’t work!

    • Missionary Kid

      Crimes against others are forgiven in advance, as long as $cientology gets its cut. E-meter, schmee-meter. They don’t give a shit.

      • FollowTheMoney

        That attitude is quite shocking really. It’s one of the things that rips the veil away from the most ethical people on the planet PR.

        • Missionary Kid

          There’s been quite a few who have left $cientology because of the basic unfairness of the “ethics.”

    • Mark Foster

      Nah, they still have his folders. When I was a staff member in DC(2010-2011), there were 2 large storage units behind the Old Fraser Mansion full of old pc folders that went back to the 60ยดs.

      • FollowTheMoney

        Naturally. Why waste perfectly good blackmail material?

  • ReallyMGM

    Totally OT: Got great news today. My “cuz” made the USMNT (soccer) Gold Cup roster that starts in July! I wish I could share his name. Just root for them!

    • Supper Powers

      It’s wonderful to really enjoy someone else’s successes. Congrats!

      • ReallyMGM

        He has played since he was tiny. It has been so much fun watch all of his hard work come to fruition the past few years. Hopefully, World Cup in 2018!

  • Miles Biondo

    Alburger may not want to become “part of that war”, and she may censor herself from being critical of Scientology, but the fact that by her own testimony, she no longer considers herself a Scientologist because “I can’t afford it”? Well, that says plenty and then some to me.

    “I can no longer financially afford to be a part of that belief system” is a pretty damning sentiment.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      She is grieving. And she is likely scared. Saying she can’t afford it is a plausible “out” for her with the cult–especially since the only way she could afford it before was via the funds he generated. $cientology made him a victim and a victimizer. Compassion for the family is in order.

      • Supper Powers

        Agreed. Just because the Scientology institution and some individuals have little to no humanity doesn’t mean we give up ours.

      • Miles Biondo

        Not denying any of that. Just reading between the lines.

    • Robert Hammond

      It really does speak volumes. Especially after having all those millions. How much of that ended up in DM’s pockets?

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
    • Missionary Kid

      When confronted by a $cientology security guard who demanded my name in a tone 40 voice, I gave it to him, “S. P.” He was not amused.

    • TheMirrorThetan

      For some odd reason the “Venutian freight locomotive operators” made me laugh.
      I had an image of the bunkeroos packed into a train with Hubbard running ahead on the tracks trying not to get run over, with Tony in the drivers seat occasionally pulling the whistle, all set to the Benny Hill music.

  • Robert Ramsay

    “Reed was a victim and true believer himself”
    I know the story.

  • Robert Ramsay
    • Ella Raitch

      Mike Farrell is a new name (critic) for me!

      • Robert Ramsay

        I think he found them to be based on…wait for it … “sham, invective, and distortion.”

      • ReallyMGM

        I read something about him just last week. I wondered if it was the M.A.S.H. guy.

      • Juicer77

        He has been outspoken supporter of gay rights for many years, as well.

        • One Human

          I liked how CAN research, speaking with Heber, and harassing phone calls gave him a front row seat to the Scientology circus.

    • Missionary Kid

      I especially like the title: “9 Celebrities Who Hated Scientology Before It Was Cool” because it’s saying that hating $cientology is now cool.

  • Off topic: Thanks to all who gave me advice on the pink highlighter stain. The rubbing alcohol worked and Tyrion pledges his fealty to the bunker for saving his life!

    http://tonyortega.org/2015/06/23/jon-atack-puts-us-on-the-spot-at-the-toronto-scientology-conference/#comment-2095333710

    • ReallyMGM

      I am glad he will live. I got out permanant red Sharpie with it once. It wasn’t easy, but the dress survived with no damage.

      • It was kind of amazing. Required a bit of soaking and scrubbing but it’s almost invisible now ๐Ÿ™‚

    • TheMirrorThetan

      Tyrion was never in danger LOL.
      He is too loveable with his big flappy ears to be more than temporarily cross at him.

      • True, but don’t tell him ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          He’s already planning the next naughty trick.

  • skiesareblue

    A beautiful moment tonight in the bar. You can tell how accessible these stars are. Moments to cherish forever.

  • outthere

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHbdjnTknlY

    I think this is really sad! please share.

    • Dave In Ajax

      was posted earlier, but in the bunker with the volume it is so easy to miss stuff
      would love to see a video searchable catalogue of all videos by time date etc

  • Lady Squash

    Yes, Reed was also a victim. I am sorry for his family’s loss.

  • Smitty

    Hey all, first time poster here but looooong time lurker.
    Just wondering if anyone had seen this article on gawker by Carmen Llywelyn, former wife of Jason Lee. It was the number one trending article on gawker far a while and is all about her experiences leaving CoS. She heavily credits Jon Atack with helping her to leave!
    http://gawker.com/why-i-left-scientology-1703997050

    • Dave In Ajax

      about 10 times today, but there is never enough, just way to many posts for all to sift through, if only one person benefits from your post its enuff ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Yes it was great and liked the video. I love her!

    • Juicer77

      Welcome, Smitty!

    • ReallyMGM

      Welcome, Smitty! (waves)

    • One Human

      Welcome Smitty!
      Help yourself to the entheta buffet.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +โ€“+ Reminder +โ€“+ RED X ***Wednesday, 24 June 2015

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,

    The weekโ€™s scores and RedX links: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-121#post-2542387

    F5 โ€ฆ Keep Walking by Pshoudini enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX and flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16013902967/in/set-72157642802079293

  • Eivol Ekdal
    • Eivol Ekdal

      Somewhere in Curaรงao there is a busted park bench with Hubbard’s name on it…

    • Sookie Sookie

      Are those Maiden Voyage, OT insignia shooped?? Or is that their *actual* choice for the MV stage dressing? Because I didn’t think it could get any tackier than the IAS events.

      Scientology, always tackier than you think.

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Shooped? Who knows. The MV photos are here…
        https://www.facebook.com/churchofscientology

      • Observer

        I don’t think their shooping skills are good enough.

      • Draco

        Not shooped – what’s with the crown on top of the OT symbol – that’s new…and stupid

    • One Human

      What a smug bastard DM is.

      • Juicer77

        You will never see happiness in those snake eyes, though. Imagine the hell of paranoia he lives in every day.

        • One Human

          I hope that someone got a picture of his expression when Mike Rinder flew over the Super Power opening, I’m sure he was less than delighted.

          • Juicer77

            He cut his speech WAY short. *evil grin*

            • richelieu jr

              “Way Short” is DM’s Rap Name…

    • What’s with the prom pic background?

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Somewhere in Curaรงao there is a busted park bench with Hubbard’s name on it…

  • Moonshot

    An OT VIII friend of mine once offered to “help” me get invested with Reed. At the time I only had about $25K to invest. My friend explained to me how that was “usually” much too small a sum for Reed to accept into his fund as his minimum was $250K to start with him. But as he was a good personal friend of Reed and also a longtime investor, he was sure he could “talk Reed into accepting me.” You see, Reed was already massively wealthy because of his stock trading expertise and only invested funds “for a few close friends.” Reed had no desire or need to invest the funds of others, but he did like to help his friends. My friend assured me that I would see annual returns of 30 to 40 percent every year. While i did trust my OT VIII friend, giving over my hard earned savings to somebody who “didnt need me” somehow felt weird. And besides, if he only took in funds to “help a few close friends” why was there any minimum at all? I decided to pass on this “opportunity.” Guess, I was one of the lucky ones.

    • richelieu jr

      Lucky= Gifted with the ability to think critically that was greater than greed + need to feel ‘in’.

  • Bob

    Sorry to say, no love lost on Reed Slatkin. He caused untold damage to so many people and not just Scientologists. He was treated like a celebrity as he donated a lot to the church and helped so many others donate. A true scam artist built from the image L. Run Tubbard. It’s an indication of just how money motivated Scientology is, that it would allow this to go on so long.
    I’m sorry to see him go, only that he was a reminder of the true end result of OT VIII. Sleazy criminals.

  • Slatkin took advantage of the snob culture within $cientology – which also exists in the anti-$cientology movement. It’s the neurotic human need to feel “special” within peers. Hubbard, in reaction to being rejected by smart people who knew he was nuts, over-compensated with his “Source” crap and the idea that “thetans” were the spiritual elite held down by lesser beings implanted there by an evil space emperor. At Celebrity Centre in the 80s, they had a regular courseroom then another for “the celebs” (like the Presleys). I can recall numerous encounters with Oatees who haughtily told me I’d understand something when I did OT3, while I knew their own lives left much to be desired. Slatkin took advantage of this snobbery that was so popular in the cult – thus the “maybe he’ll let you invest” thing. It’s hubris and what makes people laugh when learning of celebs who “invested” with Bernie Madoff and told their friends “I’m with Bernie.” People who buy into this meme always have bad endings, but they’re always too swallowed by ego to escape it. Special.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    No one deserves to die alone (except, perhaps Miscavige who has consciously, coldly and abusively exiled anyone who could possibly care for him). I am sorry that Reed Slatkin died like this, no matter what crimes he committed for Scientology.