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Jon Atack: Stop making excuses for L. Ron Hubbard and the Snow White Program!

Jon_AtackJon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and for more than a year on Saturdays he helped us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet. He was kind enough to send us a new post.

Jon sent us a response he’s written to one of the main concepts in Merrell Vannier’s new book. We’ll let him explain.

JON: Amazon has refused to post my review of Arrows in the Dark, recent memoir by Scientologist spy Merrell Vannier, so here it is, exclusively for Bunker readers.

Vannier was an agent of Branch One, the covert operations department of the Guardian’s Office, established by Ron Hubbard in 1966. Eleven officials of Branch One (commonly known as ‘B-1’) were imprisoned in the US for their participation in kidnapping, false imprisonment, breaking and entering, forgery of government credentials, and theft of government documents. There were similar prosecutions in Canada and France. B-1 agents had also infiltrated the UK government Home Office, and there have been investigations in Germany, Greece, Italy and Spain related to Scientology espionage.

Vannier ran dirty tricks on critics of Scientology. He describes some of these in his book, but his main objective is to defend Hubbard and Scientology. He seeks to give the impression that he and his fellow agents – who numbered in the hundreds – were part of a rogue operation that operated without Hubbard’s knowledge: This is simply untrue.

Over the past three decades, I’ve interviewed many former B-1 agents and read thousands of pages of Guardian Orders and Hubbard directives. There is absolutely no doubt that Hubbard was aware of the activities of the organization he created and directed.

In 1986, I spent eleven hours interviewing Brian Rubinek. He was Michael Meisner’s superior in the US Branch One, and claimed to have instigated the Washington break-ins that led to FBI raids, in 1977. Rubinek had been Hubbard’s personal security man, aboard the Apollo – the only GO member, except for Mary Sue who was allowed on board.

Rubinek’s script focused on a single idea: Hubbard didn’t know about the activities of B-1. I took careful notes and asked many questions. At the end of the third evening, when he had told me everything he wanted to say, it came time for me to reveal the interview I’d taped with Ken Urquhart, a month or so earlier.

Ken was Hubbard’s direct deputy from 1970-78, as I remember, a charming and intelligent man (and, like Rubinek, a believer in the ‘Technology’ of Scientology). When Rubinek confirmed in his death bed deposition that he had been working for Miscavige, I realized that he had zoned out when I told him what Ken told me: One night he overheard Hubbard ask his wife, “How are the Washington break-ins going?”

Many of the most significant Guardian Orders emanated from Hubbard. You can see them, because the FBI grabbed a bunch of them. For instance, the order to destroy the career of a cartoonist who had made an insignificant remark about Scientology – Operation Funny Bone.

Hubbard was well aware of B-1. I interviewed one of his telex clerks, who said that more traffic concerning B-1 passed to Hubbard than from any other part of the organization. There was B-1 traffic every day.

Look at the United Churches scam in Clearwater, when Hubbard was right there, directing events. Read Gabe Cazares’ testimony and compare it with the Guardian Orders, issued by Hubbard. And then read the Information Full Hat, which was reissued in 1990 with only a change to the title from ‘GO’ to ‘OSA.’ The remaining 800 pages explain breaking and entering, TR-lying, love and hate buttons, and most of the material is Hubbard’s – for instance, his Conference for the Investigators.

But even on the very public Ron’s Journal ’67, you can hear Hubbard saying that Mary Sue has hired ‘professional intelligence agents’ to investigate a press baron and the British Prime Minister. ‘intelligence agents’ – not private detectives.

Mary Sue signed a stipulation of evidence that is over 200 pages long, in the attempt to protect her husband. She went to prison, so that he wouldn’t have to. Hubbard, the expert on marriage, refused to ever even see her again, and had her letters to him censored.

If Hubbard didn’t know that hundreds of GO agents were performing the largest case of domestic espionage in US history (and something similar in every other country it had moved into) – if Hubbard didn’t know this, then he was no ‘OT.’ He would have to have been blind as a bat! As the Germans say: a fish stinks from the head down. The immoral behavior of Scientology is pervasive. Just read the liability formula again, and see how ‘enemies’ are to be treated.

If you don’t believe me, take a look at Hubbard’s clear directions to harass people – ‘if possible, ruin him utterly’ – which run throughout the ‘tech.’ Scientology was developed so that Hubbard would be remembered, as he said in his 1938 letter to his wife, ‘my only goal is to smash my name into history’.

I can only urge the believers to read my book, Let’s sell these people A Piece of Blue Sky, and Tony Ortega’s brilliantly researched The Unbreakable Miss Lovely. Hubbard was a hypnotist, as he often boasted – from the age of 16, he claimed. Twenty years later, he still listed hypnosis as his major hobby on the dustsheet of his novel Triton. He founded Dianetics less than two years later. See his own statements about hypnosis in my paper Never Believe a Hypnotist; every one is carefully referenced, so you can check it.

And watch Mike McLaughry’s interview, which shows how the Information Full Hat is used in graphic detail, and explains that there can be no doubt that B-1 was Hubbard’s agency:

I’m happy to see more former agents speak out, but not with some great justification of Hubbard’s invidious ‘technology’, which was meant to enslave people and works amazingly well.

Just think it through – only Ron could discover Tech, so he would always be that little more free than anyone else – the ‘Source’, demiurge or God of the Universe (as OT VIII seems to indicate, along with the old Power processes). And ‘self-determinism’ moves to a promise to ‘uphold command intention’ by Sea Org members, who are so slow at their job that it will take a billion years to Clear this sector of the galaxy. Mind, at this rate, despite so many fantastic years of expansion, it will take a billion years to Clear this planet. And has anyone ever see a Clear? Let alone an OT? It is a total freedom trap, and nothing more.

 
UPDATE: Here’s more info about the conference, Getting Clear, that is being hosted in Toronto by Jon Atack and Professor James Beverley at the Holiday Inn Toronto International Airport, from 22-26 June.

There will be morning, afternoon and evening sessions over the five days of the seminar. The evening sessions, unless otherwise indicated, will be panel discussions, open to questions from the audience. This is an outline of the programme that we hope to present, certain details may be modified.

 
22 June

Morning sessions: Why Me? Jon Atack’s path from raw recruit to trained auditor and OT V, his departure from Scientology and his work since.

Hubbard’s biography – Jon with Gerry Armstrong and a video from Hubbard’s biographer Russell Miller. We will examine Hubbard’s significant claims: that he was a ‘bloodbrother’ of the Pikune people; that he broke broncos as an infant; his alleged study with gurus in Tibet, India, China and Mongolia; the Caribbean Motion Picture Expedition; his frequent claims to be a ‘nuclear physicist’ and to have made the first mineralogical survey of Puerto Rico; the Alaskan Radio Experimental Expedition; Hubbard’s claims to have been a wounded and decorated war hero and to have worked in Navy Intelligence; Hubbard’s involvement with Aleister Crowley’s Sex Magick; Hubbard’s claims to virtuosity as a hypnotist.

Afternoon session: the history of the cult – Jon Atack on the origins of the cult – Whatever happened to the first 280 Clears, the research pool upon which Dianetics: the Modern Science of Mental Health was based? The withdrawal of Hubbard’s original supporters: publisher Art Ceppos, editor John Campbell, and Dr Joseph Winter; the Shrine Auditorium Clear fiasco; Hubbard’s kidnap of his baby daughter, Alexis, and flight to Cuba; the Wichita Foundation; Hubbard’s loss of Dianetics and creation of ‘Scientology’ (largely based on Aleister Crowley’s ideas); St Hill; Government Inquiries; Heavy Ethics and the Sea Project – hopefully, with Hana Whitfield, a founder member of the Sea Project; the Mission into Time – with Hana (who will also talk about Hubbard’s temperament); the Sea Org in the Mediterranean, overboarding, the death of Susan Meister; the Rock Festival and the flight to the US; Hubbard in hiding; the Sea Org in the 70s, with Nancy Many; the CMO take over with Jesse Prince; Professor Jim Beverley on DM’s violence.

 
23 June

Morning: the Guardian’s Office of Special Affairs – Jon Atack introduction – the first criminal activity (James Elliot, in Wichita, in 1952); The Scientologist: a Manual on the Dissemination of Material 1955; the creation of the Guardian’s Office and What is Greatness?; Tony Ortega on The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, with Miss Lovely herself, Paulette Cooper; Tory Christman on the role of the public Scientologist in supporting GOSA; ‘dead-agenting’ and ‘fair game’: the tactics used to ruin critics. The 800-page Information Full Hat, used by the Guardian’s Office and re-issued in 1990, without a single deletion.

Afternoon: celebrities – Jon Atack introduction, including celebrities who left, such as Aldous Huxley, Gloria Swanson, Leonard Cohen, Van Morrison and Nicole Kidman; policy on celebrities; Nora Crest, former staffer at Celebrity Center LA, Carmen Llewelyn, Jason Lee’s former partner, about her experience at CC. The religion angle – how Scientology was transformed from a ‘science of mental health’ into a religion. With contributions from cult expert Christian Szurko, sociologist David Barrett, PhD, Professor Martin Poulter and Professor James Beverley.

 
24 June

Morning: Jon Atack with Steven Hassan – the hypnotic and social influence techniques of Scientology deconstructed. Demonstrations of training and auditing: Book One, TRs, Objectives, NED, Grades, Clearing Course/OT II; OT III; OT IV-VII; OT VIII ‘Antichrist’ – with Jesse Prince, senior ‘technical terminal’ when OT VIII was released.

Afternoon: second generation – Nora Crest; former Hamburg State Minister, Ursula Caberta, video on child abuse in Scientology. Jon Atack on problems particular to second generation members.

Scientology attitudes towards medical treatment – Tory Christman, who was ordered to stop taking epilepsy medication; Lawrence Wollersheim video on Scientology’s attack upon his mental health.

Evening: Gerry Armstrong presentation

 
25 June

Morning: the international scene – Professor Alexander Dvorkin on eastern Europe; Pete Griffiths on Ireland and the UK; Andreas Heldal-Lund on Scandinavia; Steve Cannane, author of a new book on the history of the cult in Australia.

Afternoon: front groups, including Narconon and the health dangers of the Purification Rundown.

Evening: we hope to have video reports from Karin Spaink, in Holland; Marta Gorna, in Poland; Simonetta Po, in Italy; criminologist Arnaud Palison, who worked with the French courts; and a video from Lawrence Wollersheim about his successful litigation

 
26 June

Morning: recruiting and hard sell with a contribution from former Scientology Missions International executive, John Duignan; the dissemination drill; the registrar sales course and Big League Sales.

Afternoon: recovery with Chris Shelton, Nan McLean and Nancy Many; Jon Atack’s recommendation that members question the tenets in open discussion. Cult information and the internet – David Pike, director of FACTNet, and Brian Collinge, message board moderator.

 
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BOOK NOTES

 
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We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, so we’re posting them at the Underground Bunker. We’ve created a dedicated page for them, and we hope you go through them all, then come back here and tell us your thoughts!

Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly. Isn’t technology cool.

 
Our appearances…

June 11: New York City (with Paulette Cooper) We’re keeping the venue on the down-low at this point. If you’re interested in coming to this unique event — Paulette in New York talking about Scientology where her story began — drop us a line so we get an idea how many are coming.

June 20: Chicago, The Annoyance Theater, 5pm (with Christian Stolte) This event is free, but reserve your tickets now!

June 22 and 23: Toronto (with Paulette Cooper)

June 27/28: Florida (with Paulette Cooper)

July 12: Washington DC, Center for Inquiry

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on May 23, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Observer

    Great plug for Getting Clear!

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Silvertail Books. You will be remembered as the ones who weren’t afraid.

    • Sid

      Yes.

  • Sid

    Haaa. The Canadian Advanced Org. Will never get done.

    • Jimmy3

      Which continent is that in?

      • Sid

        It’s the Nunavut continent.

  • Observer

    Hahahaha! Like David Miscavige would talk to any wog for any reason!

  • Jimmy3

    Short Man’s Anger Disease.

    • Observer

      Perspicacious, this host.

    • Jimmy3

      You SMAD bro? Why so SMAD?

  • Ruby

    “I’ve never seen a more disingenuous human being in my life”.
    (Referring to Miscavige.)

    • Observer

      But it’s an ecclesiastical biotch slap!

  • Jimmy3

    Boooooo

    • Observer

      Yeah, the host is bending over backward to not appear biased (maybe he’s afraid of being harassed?), but I give him credit for asking good questions and letting them talk.

      • Jimmy3

        WTF is this shit. He hangs up and starts dissing him.

        • Observer

          He’s either scared or has a superiority complex, imo. “Look at me, I’m rising above all this petty religious squabbling. And I’m 6’4″.”

          There’s more than enough evidence to tell this isn’t just a case of two groups of people not liking each other.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        That’s what I was thinking until I turned it down to answer the phone, apparently things went downhill from there. SMH

      • Mymy88

        I’d put it this way, he is a chicken shit.

  • Hamtaro

    Oh, go fuck yourself Drew Campbell. You’re particularly cowardly because you make those remarks once Tony and Paulette are off the air.

    • Jimmy3

      Seriously. WTF was that? What a dick.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      Damn ringing phone!! I missed from the “David Miscavige sit down for an interview” to the end, and whatever he said afterwards. Grrrrr!

    • ReallyMGM

      What did he say? I turned it off after Tony & Paulette hung up.

      • Observer

        He said that hearing people talking about a religious group they didn’t like left him feeling, and I quote, “icky.” And now he feels “icky”.

        • ReallyMGM

          TY. Radio hosts who interview authors without reading the books are ICKY. Reading the cover synopsis is not a substitute.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          He should read some of the documents from the Lisa McPherson death.

          I got your “icky” you fucking snob. BooDiddlyHoo his gentle sensibilities were offended.

          For Drew *two middle fingers in the air*

          • Mymy88

            Ha ha. I just basically said the same thing before I saw your post. So true! It makes me so angry when self-righteous snobs basically stick up for scientology.

          • Mymy88

            Hi NOLAGirl, I picked you to send this to because you are one of the people on that thread started by the scientology-is-a-dead-end-road guy that posted about his wife passing recently from cancer, and because I am most familiar with you from the people that participated in that thread.

            First of all, may the gods forgive me if I’m wrong about this or if I’m getting this guy mixed up with someone else, but I’m 98% sure I’m right on this one.

            I’m aware, there may be absolutely no need for me to tell anyone this, or maybe there is a need. You be the judge because you probably would know what to do in a situation like this, or know that nothing needs to be done.

            That guy (scien is a dead end road) has posted here before, I’m guessing a few months ago, and his wife was alive at that time. He was furious about how it’s scien’s fault that his wife is dying from cancer or maybe it was because she was suffering or both, and of course, I’m sure it was scien’s fault, unfortunately.

            I think he’s a really nice person, and I feel horrible about what he must be going through, I really do. But if he is going to come here for support, and I hope he does, it might be a good idea that if there is someone that needs to know, hears about this.

            That guy HATES HATES VEHEMENTLY the use of chemo FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER AND THINKS IT IS AN OUTRAGE THAT IT IS ALLOWED TO BE USED AT ALL!! I don’t know why and I don’t know if his wife was treated with chemo or not, but I think he said she was, but don’t hold me to it because it was a while ago and I don’t have the best memory.

            He was so angry and so upset that I don’t think anyone challenged him because of the obvious emotional torment he was experiencing at that moment. Someone might have challenged him. I really can’t remember.

            I DONT WANT anyone to challenge him but I’m afraid if he brings up that chemo thing again, and if it’s in a context where people don’t know about his detest of chemo and the role it did or didn’t play in his wife’ death, I’m afraid someone might give him hell about it and personally, I hope that never happens.

            If he ever brings the subject up, I hope that anyone that wants to express to him that they do not agree with his chemo stance, that they will be very careful and gentle or whatever.

            The weird thing is, he never said why he hated chemo or if he did, I certainly do not remember.

            Maybe this is a situation where me telling anyone this, is NOT going to make any difference at all about anything. I hope you can make that call.

            I wish I knew an easy way to find his post. All I remember was it was a long post.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              No worries honey, it will be ok. You’d be surprised how well the Bunker just kind of naturally handles itself these days.

              I’m not quite sure which thing you’re worried about, or maybe it’s both, that this guy may be lying or that people will jump his ass if he mentions his “chemo hate”. Either way, my advice would be, say nothing (right now) and keep an eye on what this person posts. If you feel like he’s crossing a line, email Tony, or just reply to this guy and ask questions in a kind way.

              Whatever this guy is….troll or actual person suffering, we just have to be supportive when we can and speak out when someone is saying something that seems uninformed. Otherwise, just scroll past the posts and ignore it because you WILL come across people with crazy beliefs or opinions on things. Yes it’s stupid to “hate chemo” but…he’s free to believe that if he wants to.

              In short….wait and see. 🙂 I know that’s not exactly helpful but sometimes you just have to sit on your hands/bite your tongue.

              P.S. I’ve read only a few of this guys posts so I’m not fully aware of everything he’s said either.

            • Mymy88

              No I don’t think he’s a troll and I don’t think he is lying. He just hates chemo and I can’t tell you how much he hates it because he went on and on about hating it, and how wrong it was for it to be used for anything for any reason but I never remember reading why?

              I think someone did ask him about it, but I don’t think he answered. Well okay, thanks. This just seemed like it might be one of those touchy situations and I didn’t know if I should mention to anyone in particular. I’ll try to remember when he posted and I’ll let you know if I find it.

              Thanks again! I’m going to delete my post.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              No problem hon. I am happy to help, even when I can’t be much help. LOL Deleting mine too. ; )

            • Mymy88

              Thank you so much 🙂

        • Jimmy3

          He said he takes everything Tony reports with a grain of salt, then he hung up, said he’d rather talk to an ex-Scientologist, then he made it sound like Tony is making a bunch of money off bashing Scientology.

          • MostEthicalPimp

            He wants to talk to ex-Scientologist I’m sure there are plenty of them around on ESMB. But maybe Mike McClaughry or an other ex-gosa would be willing to do an interview.

          • PickAnotherID

            He must be listing to “elle & company”. Their mantra lately is, “Where’s Ortega getting his funding?” Implying there’s something illicit about it.

          • Observer

            I got stuck on the “icky.”

          • Mymy88

            Effer! Let me at’em. I’ll put that photo of Lisa McPherson that was taken soon after she passed away, and put it on his receptionist’s desk with a a note that saying “Scientology did this to her”. If he ignores that, nothing is going to change his mind and he can get in line with with all the other irresponsible media representatives who will be eating crow, big time, when they can no longer deny the truth. But of course they will also be frantically trying to lie their way around what they said in the past. F you assholes!

        • pixie dust

          I turned it off and didn’t hear that. What a jackass.
          He made me feel “icky” through the entire interview.

        • Mymy88

          Oh my, Drew Marshall’s self-righteous indignation moves me to want to punch him in the face (virtually, not for real).

    • Sookie Sookie

      I thought he was half a tool from the time he said “this is all just hearsay to me.” That’s kind of a shitty thing to say to a journalist that just wrote a nonfiction book backed up by years of research and articles pointing to actual documents and court evidence.

      • ReallyMGM

        Especially since he had not read the book.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          He didn’t even read the book?? *facepalm*

          • ReallyMGM

            You could tell from his questions he had only read a PR synopsis.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Lazy.

          • ReallyMGM

            Happens all the time. An honest reporter will just say, “I didn’t get a chance to read your book, but …”

      • Observer

        He was all over the map from being a jerk to being surprisingly insightful. Maybe that’s his schtick to keep from alienating people. Still, it makes him come off like a weasel.

        • Sookie Sookie

          Well, at least he’ll have the opportunity to get more insight once their advanced org is in his neighborhood. And may that go just as we would expect…

        • madame duran

          I’ve listened to the Drew Marshall radio show before (Christian radio) though it’s been several months now since I’ve tuned in. He can be either a hit or miss precisely because his casual interviewing style is “all over the map”. At times, he can be quite perceptive and empathetic (especially with those who may be struggling/questioning in their Christian faith journey) yet he can also get wrapped up with playing “devil’s advocate” just to rile people up or giving off-the-cuff remarks that induces major eye-rolling. He’s definitely a conversation starter. The good thing about his show is that it’s open to initiating discussion on topics that usually don’t get enough attention or are deemed “uncomfortable” within church circles. Unfortunately, IMO, his comments sometimes reveal his bias or personal ignorance on a subject. Hey, Drew…remember that your show isn’t about YOU and just your reaction to things.

          I haven’t as yet heard this episode with Tony but I would be very disappointed in Drew if he had not prepared for the interview by reading the book or researching Scientology beforehand. It’s disrespectful to the guest and the spirit of inquiry/learning. It undermines the seriousness of the topic at hand. It’s also hypocritical of him to express his “icky” feeling about hearing someone talking negatively about a religion while he takes liberty to criticize Christianity (well, certain aspects of its modern culture). That part concerns me because some Christian leaders are quick to defend Scientology (not theologically but on the basis of religious freedom issues) without knowing about the cloaking nature of the organization. Education is key to prevent any future alliances that the deceptive cult may attempt to build with mainstream religions. This is where media people like Drew Marshall are supposed to step in to assist in that process. Failing to do so–which apparently he did–is a disservice to all.

      • Jimmy3

        Exactly. What does Tony ever report that’s not from a direct source or something he has documentation to back up?

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Exactly. What does Tony ever report that’s not from a direct source or something he has documentation to back up? :drops the mic:

          Fixed.

      • ReallyMGM

        He also didn’t whitewash thing Paulette said (out of frustration) that weren’t so great. Very honest,meal portrayal.

    • ReallyMGM

      He will find out first hand about COS when they move into his neighborhood. Good luck with that!

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        ^^^This.

    • Sid

      The interviewer wasn’t the brightest knife in the bag of rocks. Why would he have an interview and then dis the guests? Amazing he gets people on his show if he’s like that.

  • Jack99

    “Not far enough.” Good one, Paulette!

  • pixie dust

    Tony and Paulette did a fantastic job on the show!
    Tony is becoming a jedi in regards to media – keeping things focused and making salient points no matter what level of informed the interviewer happens to be. So impressed with Tony and Paulette.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    I don’t like to say it, but how Drew talks/thinks, is how so many people think, feel and talk, about the situation. They are not educated enough, yet! Even many in Clearwater feel the same and don’t really want to believe, get involved or know the truth. That’s why it is a long and hard road and we have to continually educate and keep talking. Thanks to Tony and Paulette grinding on this road.

    • Jimmy3

      Yeah, but the way he said it was really rude. Like immediately after they hung up.

      • Observer

        The exhausted sigh is what got me

        • Jimmy3

          I’ll give him something to sigh about. I’ll come to his house and chew gum.

          • Observer

            I see what you did there. You are an open book to me.

            • Jimmy3

              Everyone is an open book to you. You are the Observer.

          • Sookie Sookie

            If he balls his fists up under his armpits, run.

            • Observer

              Hahaha!

    • Ben Franklin

      The worst part is people Like Drew are the ones who dominate the airwaves nowadays. People who don’t care about other people’s problems. People who think that they live in a totally separate world from the rest, and whatever problems others face have nothing to do with them. They make their money on the airwaves from trashing those who are either poor or helpless as burden to society and affront to their comfortable livelihood. That is all I have to say as just so infuriating

    • Robert Hammond

      I missed this interview. Sounds like the host didn’t read Tony’s book. Did he mention whether he had seen Going Clear yet? Hard to argue with the one-two punch of personal testimonies and journalistic objectivity. Going Clear and The Unbreakable Miss Lovely should be required viewing and reading for all journalists, politicians, media hosts, and everybody else.

    • Observer

      I wonder what he’d say after interviewing a Scientology PR shill. Would he diss them after hanging up?

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        That, would be interesting to hear. Maybe he’s just a disser.

  • PickAnotherID

    Slightly O/T: I was catching up on the USMagazine comments and came across this:

    elle in response to Susan_Qbird_Poche
    Which proves that Obama and the libs are lying because they control
    every tiny facet of your life–every tiny bit. The Church frees people
    from control. But you decide to attack the church, be ready. They don’t
    make it easy for you. So best to go in peace.

    Since she is a regular responder on behalf of $cienology, her not too thinly veiled threat on their behalf has been reported on IRS Form 13909. She keeps making those kind of statements and she’ll be talking with the FBI.

    • Jack99

      elle is icky.

    • Jimmy3

      I don’t think screwing with QBird is such a great idea. I wouldn’t do it. Just sayin.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Seconded.

      • PickAnotherID

        Just to be clear, I reported the ‘elle’ comment to QBird on the 13909.

        • Jimmy3

          Good work.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      If “elle” is indeed one person and not just one of many OSA sock accounts, I am concerned about her mental health.

      • PickAnotherID

        You and me both. There may be an “elle” in the crew, but I’ve seen “elle” responses show up in too many places at the same time, with slight differences in sentence structure, not to believe it’s a group effort.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I hope you’re right because the scattered thoughts and ramblings I’ve seen are…odd, to say the least.

          • PickAnotherID

            “elle” seems to be tag teaming with someone going by “in fine fettle” over there. The screws don’t seem to be any tighter there either.

            If it’s a crew, I think they may be spending so much time on the net they’re getting sleep deprived and malnurished. That can majorly mess up thought processes.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I sent the nice psyches over to her home to 51/50 her. She’ll get some nice rest and some much needed medication. I told him she’ll claim to be a Christan Scietologist but that those are just her”magical and symbolic thinking” she always says to get out of the unit!

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              🙂

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        elle is very strange. Her comments seem to be getting more bizarre. I wonder if she is multiple people.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          That it’s a small group of OSA socks seems to be the majority opinion. As I said earlier, I hope it is a group, because if all those posts are hers, she may be unhinged.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Very good point.

    • Mymy88

      Yessssss! Thank you.

  • Anonymous

    Not everyone will want to read through the gigantic stack of legal documents compiled by the Office of the US Attorney to DEFINITIVELY PROVE the guilt of Mary Sue Hubbard and her 8 other co-defendants in the Snow White case. It is sufficient to know that all nine were convicted of multiple felonies after production of voluminous evidence by the prosecutors in this case:

    UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA V. MARY SUE HUBBARD, et al.

    Criminal No. 78-401

    Below is what a Word Cloud (not a word clown – lol) looks like, generated from just the Table of Contents of the evidence that resulted in the convictions of the first nine Scientology Snow White defendants.

    The liars at Scientology will try to spin everything, but all they ultimately have are empty words.

    Here are some of the words used by the US Attorney to convict many of Scientology’s (then) senior leaders.

    Who is next? Lol.

  • Snake Plissken

    https://seccheck.wordpress.com/2015/05/23/clark-carr-teaches-touch-assists-at-narconon-tijuana/

    Narconon Tijuana has a portrait of Jesus on their wall … it’s that special

    ‘Father Jaime Lares is one of the founders of Narconon Tijuana. This week he received instruction in administering Scientology Touch Assists from Narconon President Clark Carr, who has been a Tijuana resident for the past month.’

    https://i0.wp.com/i.imgur.com/fsDu6gJ.jpg

    I noticed Padre Jaime Lares has several videos on youtube of appearances on various radio programs. I think it’s about time Padre Jaime Lares and his followers found out that the organization he is involved with was founded by a satanist and it funnels all it’s money to his satanic cult

    • Robert Hammond

      Here’s a video of Padre Jaime Lares reacting to Going Clear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc758z-mqWw

      • Mymy88

        OMG Robert! This one is soooooo funny! RBE (here at the Bunker did that one). I laugh my ass off every single time I watch it. It’s been a while since I watched it. Thanks so much for posting!

    • Gerard Plourde

      It looks like the Padre Jaime Lares on You Tube isn’t the person shown in the picture.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Why does it look like the guy on the table is pitching a tent, so to speak?

      • Techie

        The upstroke of a nerve assist ends in that kind of a gesture. Still does not explain the grin and the closed eyes, he is making a good joke in the middle of an assist? Or the dude in the blue tie just pledged a big donation to his church? Very strange.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          The guy in the blue tie is Clark Carr, former president of Narc Int. Apparently, he’s been “transferred” to Mexico.

      • Snake Plissken

        I think he’s getting the Happy Ending Touch Assist

  • Richard

    Although I was born in England, my roots are Irish and Scottish.

    Today I am very proud of the Irish people for the outcome of the referendum regarding gay marriage in Ireland.

    I love what the Catholic Archbishop of Dublin, Diarmuid Martin, said today after the results of the referendum:

    “I think really the church needs to do a reality check.”

    Yep, I agree. Changing times.

    I also think that the church of Scientology need to do a reality check, but in their case,for about everything they supposedly stand for.

    • Snake Plissken

      The only reality check that needs to be done to The Scientology Crime Syndicate is someone needs to check to see that the lights have been turned off after they shut it down. It is rotten to the core and well beyond repair.

    • ze moo

      Any serious reality check in the clampire would result in a complete exodus of members, staff and Sea bOrg.

    • Jimmy3

      Sometimes I wonder what Scientology would be like if someone other than David ‘Let Him Die’ Miscavige assumed control. I know it was bullshit from the start, and that they’re supposed to adhere to LRH policy, but we know that’s not always the case.

      So what I’m saying is, what would have happened if someone genuinely benevolent took the reins, and they tweaked LRH ‘scripture’ in a positive way. Not just to gouge more money out of people. Would anyone really care about Scientology, or would it still have been a sleazy, dangerous organization?

      • Observer

        If that happened it wouldn’t be Scientology anymore.

        • Jimmy3

          That’s a cheap answer.

          • Observer

            Cheap but true. Malevolence is woven into the fabric of Scientology. Take it out and there would only be scraps left.

      • Richard

        It’s an interesting question and although I sort of agree with Obsi, you do have a point. However, I think you might have to do more than ‘tweak’ LRH scripture!

      • Sookie Sookie

        That’s really interesting to think about. If Pat & Annie Broeker had succeeded Hubbard, or someone relatively benign had taken over, I can see where they could have used their position to de-emphasize the most egregious of his policies and concentrate solely on “delivering the tech.”

        But they’d still eventually face the problem of having no actual clears or people demonstrating OT powers. Wouldn’t they eventually have to turn to more threatening practices to keep people in?

        • grundoon

          Pat and Annie were no saints.

      • Gerard Plourde

        I tend to agree with Observer. The difficulty lies in the fact that just about everything Hubbard developed had as its purpose the control and exploitation of people for the benefit of Hubbard. As has often been said – “what was useful wasn’t original and what was original wasn’t useful.”

      • My thesis is that Scientology doctrine is so inherently daft and chaotic that the repression is required to insure that members ‘keep the faith’. Even then, there has traditionally been a terrific turnover of members (one of the reasons that the CofS is in such trouble today is that the public has so much information they can no longer balance defections with new recruits).

        Nobody has ever joined Scientology because they are attracted by it’s beliefs – the majority of members are not even allowed to know what they are. Recruitment depends on unconscionable manipulation (e.g. the ‘personality test’)

        If a benevolent leader took away the repression and manipulation, recruitment would cease, and members would wake up, and leave wholesale. If he (or she) took away the obsession with money, the CofS would not be able to defend themselves in court, and would bankrupt themselves paying compensation to victims of Narconon and putting their other abuses right.

        If the organisation did survive these calamities, it would have to reinterpret a lot of scripture to mean the opposite of what it plainly says ( which is feasible – religions do this all the time) and would likely consist of small groups of harmless enthusiasts in ‘house churches’. Scientology would die out completely in a generation, but some of its terminology would live on in new fringe groups.

        Gorbachev made the same mistake with the Soviet Union – he thought he give the people a little freedom – and brought the whole system down.

      • Snake Plissken

        If Miscavige wasn’t there the next Ronbot evil enough to push the others out of his way would take over to emulate Hubbard.

        • The Dude

          I agree with Snake.

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        I applaud you question but you will not get many a serious answer here. But I have to say something and qualify it with this. ( I do not endorse Scientology or Hubbard . If anyone were to ask I say look elsewhere for whatever it is you are seeking.) I just starting reading Miss Lovely and thank you, thank you Tony Ortega for your journalistic integrity.
        I believe most of the commenters here are never-ins. That’s a good thing. As a matter of fact most of the entire world population is a never in.
        Tony’s description of the New York Org in 1968 captures the feel of the times. In 2015 we are a generation removed. But all the way down to the stickers saying after drugs there’s Scientology and the decription of the course room and “Bullbaiting” And frankly most times this was quite funny especially for those who thought themselves amateur comedians.
        I guess what I’m getting at is for some of us (like me ) were supremely confident that I could handle any and all alternate realities and return unscathed…So I was wrong. OK.
        It’s part of my experience. It doesn’t define me. I did meet some great people and yes it went all wrong, a lot like drugs do. But it wasn’t all bad.
        I can’t say what would happen to answer your question because the times are different. I’m sure people have tried to change Scientology. Myself I wouldn’t bother.
        All people have a story. Some people have been molested as a child, some people raped , some forever changed by an accident or illness.
        Where am I going with this? I guess this . The stories that people share of their Scientology experience is just that. It doesn’t define them, particularly if it was a relatively short stint.
        Just because someone got involved in Scientology does not make them. Make them a sideshow , a freak, or curiosity, As a matter of fact if anything it meant they were curious.So just as other life experiences help make up a whole. Be aware of feelings and emotions. You know?. Like the people who blame the way a girl was dressed for here rape. And by the way that does not define that person.
        Be kind to each other. But defend your own integrity. We can all respect that.
        It’s human nature to be drawn to a traffic accident. If there were no deaths all these people will continue but change in some way. Not become the accident guy.
        If I made any sense good. If not no harm done.
        I have to go and do some real world things . Thanks Tony. Thanks Bunkerites . Life is good.

        • Jimmy3

          I don’t really have any counterpoints for anyone, but I appreciate your response and all the other responses. I just wanted to see what people thought of that idea.

          I’ve never thought people are stupid simply because they got involved in Scientology. But I do think some of the people that got involved in Scientology are stupid. And there is no shame in saying that many of the ex-Scientologists who contribute here are much smarter than I am. I guess it’s all situational.

          • Cosmo Pidgeon

            Thank you J3. You are a scholar and a gentleman.

      • Mormons.

        • Jimmy3

          XD

          • I’m serious!

            • Jimmy3

              XD

            • Look, they both start out as weird space opera cons created by mentally ill dudes. One has an evil successor who goes all darkside on the parishioners after the founder dies and the other has more moderate successors who start to bury the batshit and allow black people access to heaven in 1978.
              XD

            • Jimmy3

              You’re right. I got the comparison. And I’m now I’m going to get banned:

              Saint Peter: You’re on the list, welcome to Heaven.
              Saint Peter: You’re on the list, welcome to Heaven.
              Saint Peter: You’re on the list, welcome to Heaven.
              Saint Peter: What up, nigga? You on the list, welcome to Heaven.
              Saint Peter: You’re on the list, welcome to Heaven.
              Saint Peter: You’re on the list, welcome to Heaven.

            • Nice knowing you.

            • Jimmy3

              i can’t control what Saint Peter says.

            • Mmm-hmmm, sure. Change it.
              ETA: plz

            • Jimmy3

              good call.

            • Jimmy3

              Now it looks even worse.

            • Jimmy3

              I appreciate the save.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Based on the We Stand Tall video, they’ve got a long way to go to catch up to the Tabernacle choir.

            • lol

      • madame duran

        You have a benevolent person assume leadership of an organization that

        a) hates any and all criticism (even the constructive type)
        b) forbids any members to be “reasonable” (i.e. say “no” to making compromises)
        c) teaches its members to reject all alternative viewpoints or methods
        d) eschews loyalty to anything, anyone or any higher ideal other than slavish devotion to its founder
        e) encourages its members to attack opponents to the point of complete ruin.
        f) rates “sympathy” negatively (i.e. very low) on the Tone Scale; “love” doesn’t register at all on the same scale
        g) willfully operates on deceit and fear; is built on suspicion/mistrust
        h) seeks to obtain/retain power (by force if necessary) and has no interest in sharing it
        i) supports elitism, arrogance, aggression, greed, and irrational hatred (no respect for others; inflated sense of self)
        j) instills the value of “succeeding at any cost” (read: compete by trampling on others, to hell with consequences and being held accountable, “the end justifies the means”)
        k) awards positions not based on either merit, competency or creativity on the job but rather on a person’s compliance to their superior’s whimsical demands and being a sycophant
        l) views acquiring money as more important than nurturing people, and
        m) forbids any future leader from reforming any policy that the founder has implemented (regards reformers as troublemakers, aka “squirrels”, “SPs”).

        Do you think that person would survive long?

        First of all, why would a benevolent person want to be part of a group that has a built-in resistance to any change(s) that s/he may bring? Secondly, why would a benevolent person want to associate themselves with such a group? Thirdly, how would such a person achieve a leadership role in an environment that caters to bullies? There may be nice people with good intentions within Scientology but the higher up in rank they go, they inevitably lose their sense of kindness and fairness. They either choose to give up “spiritual” advancement to keep their integrity intact or submit themselves to ruthlessness. So, given that, where is this benevolence coming from??

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Drew Marshall you’re like a really stinky fart in the middle of a party.

    For a moment it will bother everyone but after a few more cocktails (and caek) it will be forgotten.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    Miss lovely is now officially closer to Venus and the van Allan belt than ole Ronnie fire crotch ever was.

  • Richard

    You’ve gotta love this one!

    Here’s an actual question from an online mobile quiz I play:

    “Which religion, well known in South America and the Caribbean, includes sacrificial ceremonies and spriritual cultism?”

    The answers options were “Scientology” or “Voodoo”.

    I actually hesitated before I answered!

    • Snake Plissken

      That one’s easy …

      One’s a religion, the other is a Crime Syndicate

  • Ruby

    This kinda got lost in the shuffle of the live interview, but it is a link/report someone sent me about the book event last weekend that took place in Santa Barbara, includes pictures.

    http://www.edhat.com/site/tidb

  • Alex De Valera

    Happy birthday Tony. You’ve done such a great job and it is so much fun reading you and having a good time au the bunker!

  • FollowTheMoney

    Reply to Drew Marshall’s ‘icky’ comment:
    I’m sick and tired of religion and religious philosophy getting a free pass from being critiqued, analysed or criticised merely because it’s religious. What’s icky is using religion as a reason to behave badly and excusing outrageous behavior by saying its ‘religious’. Any belief system that results in the systematic repression and degradation of other human beings deserves comprehensive examination. Anyone who can’t see that has bought into the free pass for religion bollocks. Holy cows shit in your shit in your streets. It’s time we all threw down and acknowledged the right of people to criticise where criticism is due even when the target is religion.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Amen! You know, us atheists really need our own special version of Amen. Anybody got any ideas?

      • Snake Plissken

        How about … ‘Hell Yeah’ , no that’s too religious, how about … ‘Fuck Yeah’

      • “Reason!”

        • NM. That sounds dumb.

          • Skabetti

            Bwa ha ha! My dog and I are laughing our butts off.

            • The Dude

              Who are you, David Berkowitz? LOL!

      • Techie

        Amen just means “you said it”, other than the language and traditional use in churches it has no religious implications. So feel free to use it when it makes sense. If you feel the urge to use “Hallelujah, praise the Lord” then maybe your religion is growing back.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I did not know that. Thank you. And, I’m fortunate enough to not have any religion to grow back.

        • Missionary Kid

          Exactly.

      • dungeon master

        I like ramen, but I also use in dog we trust

      • The Dude

        How about, “Oh Man!”

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          That’s the best yet, but I’m still not sold.

      • Sookie Sookie

        Word.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Werd.

      • Missionary Kid

        I looked up amen, and it doesn’t have to have a spiritual meaning. It means “I agree” IIRC.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Happy birthday Tony and a restful Memorial w/e for our US friends.

    I am absolutely disheartened 🙁 by the lack of results from the complaints.
    The flagging is in the doldrums, Boston is still mocking us with 44 “overcoming financial stress”!

    RedX tips (including how to complaint to CL) : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2533632
    Flag co$ lies : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml
    F5… Grinds my Gears by Jimmy Threetimes, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14108201317/in/set-72157642802079293

    • PickAnotherID

      Would a complaint to the FCC that CL isn’t following it’s own TOS by allowing the SPAM to remain do any good?

      • Pierrot

        It looks like we might have had some progress, see Snake comment above.

      • Robert Eckert

        I don’t think the FCC has any jurisdiction.

        • PickAnotherID

          In the US, if not the FCC, maybe the FTC. TOS agreements aren’t just one way. If they say, “You do this, we’ll do that.”, e.g., “You spam, we’ll kick you off.”, they have to follow through and actually kick spammers off.

          • Robert Eckert

            Maybe FTC, but they aren’t very responsive. I called them once to complain about a collector who was calling at 5 AM, every morning, except Saturdays and Sundays when he called two or three times: this was thoroughly illegal and in the FTC’s jurisdiction, but I never heard back from them.

            • Pierrot

              How about “puting the pressure” on CL about informing whatever consumer protection organisation?

    • Snake Plissken

      I just clicked on ten random links in that thread and every single one of them came up with

      ‘This posting has been flagged for removal’

      • Pierrot

        Good news, thanks, I had not checked, too deflated today!

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Sorry to hear you’re feeling deflated today Pierrot. Just hit Boston and many more were flagged for removal. I hit all the others that weren’t yet.

          Sending you (((hugs))) 🙂

    • The Dude

      Boston is X’ed.

  • Xique

    Happy Birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday dear Tony, happy birthday to you!

  • Ben Franklin

    I didn’t create this, just found and felt it was fitting for the day in celebration of TOs birthday:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYVu5efQDts

    • Robert Eckert

      Meshell Little posted this for her son Jeremy when they were in disconnection and she was missing him terribly. Now they’re back together.

      https://youtu.be/DtjCXPxhMuc

      • Kay

        OM gosh, that is hysterical !!!!

      • Rasha

        It’s the same technique Steve Odekerk used for his Thumb movies, I thought it was copyright protected or something. Guess I was wrong.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Is he the George Hamilton of India?

  • Lionel Drinkwater

    L. Ron Hubbard, David Miscavige, GO-OSA, and Merrell Vannier have never understood Intelligence. None of those people ever worked in Intelligence. Hubbard appears to have been assigned to a short military course in Intelligence and then declared himself a master of the art. However, as with almost things Hubbard this was an outright lie.

    Scientology’s misunderstanding concerning Intelligence is traceable to L. Ron Hubbard who, in the course of his shabby conduct, became a convicted criminal just like his wife. Scientology’s big misunderstood on “Intelligence” is to confuse Intelligence with character assassination and the use of private investigators or volunteer Scientologists to spy on its enemies in hopes of finding something to silence them by use of blackmail or intimidation. This is the cowardice and violence of fascism and not Intelligence. That Vannier fails to see his conduct on behalf of the Church as repugnant and fascist shows his moral compass and intellect to be defective concerning the very narrow topic of Scientology. Hubbard knew how to mentally pervert the thinking and behavior of Scientologists to his own ends, i.e. it is understandable that the very same people who confused crime and Intelligence would also confuse psychotherapy with salvation. Hubbard had the genesis of his fake Navy from the moment he first turned a knob on his redoubtable his e-meter and defined a floating needle.

    Posing as a janitor to burglarize offices did not make Vannier a spy; it made him only a burglar. That’s all. Burglary is so pedestrian and can hardly be called “arrows in the dark.” Common criminals off the street can try to pull off a burglary or some other capers. There is no heroism in Scientology-motivated burglary; why Vannier makes it so speaks volumes about the man and his group. Apparently, once a criminal group throws telexes and Hubbardian psychotherapy into the mix it all somehow becomes noble and salvific.

    Vannier’s lying to Gabe Cazares to win his trust in order to spy for the GO Is not Intelligence. It is the act of a Scientology con artist. That Vannier flatters himself a spy or an intelligence agent is tragic given the great price he has had to pay.

    That the GO planned and engaged in burglaries does not make it an Intelligence agency. Rather, it proves the GO, and OSA after it, is an organized criminal group engaged in organized crimes. Organized crime is not Intelligence. Organized crime is a group of smart criminals working to not get caught and thereby profit from their crimes. In this sense, Scientology has always been populated by smart criminals at the top. At the very top of Scientology there are only smart and ruthless criminals. Invariably, the very top criminal becomes a coddled imbecilic criminal who is unaccountable to anyone. And so when their genius plans backfire on them they petulantly lash out at everyone and everything and rain down hellfire on their underlings: Miscavige became Hubbard many years ago.

    The people in GO-OSA are not saving Scientology as they believe. On the contrary, they are engaging in a pattern of criminal conduct and calling it other things: Intelligence, protecting Ron, and protecting Scientology. OSA is awash in self-delusion just as was the GO, Vannier, and everyone else who excuses criminal behavior under the rubric of protecting the Tech or whatever other self-serving justifications they use.

    The great promise of Scientology offered by Hubbard never materialized. Instead, the coddled, isolated, malevolent, and imbecilic Hubbard spent his final years after Snow White settling into a manic decrepitude in which micromanaged the Church from his various hiding places. Always the Boy Scout-cum-hustler working for his next merit badge and the adulation arising therefrom, Hubbard also returned to his pulp fiction mania of earlier years in which he feverishly churned out his mediocre SciFi decalogue. Riven with his lurid and campish homoerotic fantasies, Hubbard’s SciFi was all that he had any real interest in aside from counting his money and butchering his failed underlings in staged space opera show trials Ron liked to call “Committees of Evidence” after his penchant for all things having to do with the US Navy. During this era, only the most obsequious toadies who served Ron’s new darling boy David Miscavige survived the purges. Norman Starkey and Linda Hamel come to mind.

    While Hubbard was plotting with his Action Chief Miscavige to make things “All Clear” for Ron to reenter the public spotlight to bask in the applause of his 1950’s glory years — and certainly Miscavige was never going to allow such a thing but paid Ron lip service — Ron busied himself writing advices and Battlefield Earth. In the latter work, Ron takes a break from saving the planet to tell a story about a character named Teenie. It seems that Teenie told the character Gris about a school psychologist who:

    “….had a lot of very mentally sick boys in the school. They were classified as oversexed. And he used to line them up in his office and go down on them to cool them off. And every day or two he’d get an overload of cases and he’d send and get me excused from class so I could come in and help. He’d stand and watch. There were so many of those boys sometimes that I could hardly get my breath from one before another had to be done. It was a fast clinical line, let me tell you. And some of those boys were fifteen and sixteen and pretty foamy. You just couldn’t help swallowing!” (v. 6, p. 321)

    Indeed.

    • Anonymous

      One man’s Intelligence Officer is another man’s Freedom Fighter.

      Lol.

      • Lionel Drinkwater

        Ron was great at breaking down definitional boundaries. Too bad for him and his successor that inconvenient things such as the law exist.

        BTW, I never trusted Jimmy Mulligan.

        • Anonymous

          For those that have interest re Jimmy Mulligan…here is an excerpt (image below) from an affidavit by (big surprise) professional liar Monique Yingling, attempting to spread additional BS about Snow White and how it was a “rogue operation.”

          Lol.

          Note that according to Yingling L. Ron “expressed shock” at what had been found in the Guardian’s Office.

          Lol again !

          The entire affidavit is here: http://armstrong-op.gerryarmstrong.ca/archives/3037

    • Shanester

      Fantastic analysis. So many good points:

      …the very same people who confused crime [with] Intelligence would also confuse psychotherapy with salvation.

      There is no heroism in Scientology-motivated burglary; that Vannier makes it heroic speaks volumes about the man and his group.

      On Mission Earth: Ugh. I read that when I was an utterly innocent 16 year old Scientology virgin, and I could barely, or could not, understand his dismaying and constant perversions. L. Ron Hubbard was a sick, sick individual. “Coddled and imbecilic” indeed.

      • The Dude

        Agreed. That last part made my stomach turn. I am glad I never read that book. eww.

        • ze moo

          Mission Earth has 10 books. That’s 10 ugghhhhhsss……Battlefield Earth was 1000+ pages in paperback. I only read it because it was a present and I had a bad case of sciatica and couldn’t walk away from it. Pain killer and booze and a crappy book, a lot of 3rd rate movies start out that way….

          • Lionel Drinkwater

            Pain killer and booze and a crappy book, a lot of 3rd rate movies start out that way….

            Has anyone ever told you that you have great potential as a religious leader?

          • The Dude

            The writing style is unmistakable. Only Hubbard would end a sentence with ” let me tell you.”. It sounds like something straight from his lectures,”I can tell you that.”. Buffoon.

          • The Dude

            Now that I think about it. Maybe that was part of his hypnotism. They say that certain phrases repeated over and over inside speeches at a particular rhythm can produce trance like states.

      • Robert Eckert

        Nathan Johnson read them so that you don’t have to, and sums them up with snark and insight:
        http://battlefieldspork.blogspot.com/

        http://missionspork.blogspot.com/p/table-of-contents.html

  • Wish I was capable of making the six hour drive south to Toronto. Would love to attend ‘Getting Clear’, the list of presenters and panels is superb.

    I hate my body sometimes, I really do.

    • beauty for ashes

      Some days it is hard to convince myself that I’m not living in a bog of wonky chemicals. ((hugs))

  • Toni m

    I believe that one day all people separated by this cult will be reunited again. Thank you Jon for your post.

    Congratulations to Tony’s mom on this day. When my kids were born it was happiest day of my life. Enjoy this day in company of your wonderful son. Happy day Mr. Ortega.
    From my favorite pianist.

  • Beth

    Happy Proprietor Day everyone ! And Happy Memorial Day Weekend!

    Was driving around town today taking a cousin to the airport, and we thought we’d add a couple of photos to the Miss Lovely victory tour.

    First – 16 East 80th Street – where Paulette was living when her $cilon attack began. “Margie Shepherd’ – Pffft!

    • Beth

      And…… the lovely Churchill at 300 East 40th Street – the scene of some very dark days for our friend.

    • Nice!

    • The Dude

      That means Tony and Mark Bunker have the same Birthday. That is kinda cool, I think.

      • Beth

        really? that is very cool.

        • The Dude

          Yeah I noticed on my facebook today. Media Lush posted it last night. Cool little co-ink-a-dink.

          • Beth

            I was curious about what astrological sign those 2 would be (not that I’m way into that kind of thing). Googled it and here’s what it says about people born on this day:

            “As a Gemini born on May 23rd, you feel most alive when surrounded by others. Seeing the world is important to you, but interacting with it is a necessity. For this reason, conversation is your playground and words prove to be your jungle gym or sandbox. You embrace words with an excitement and energy in a way that few others can duplicate. Your genuine interest in communication draws others in and makes you a highly sought after friend and companion.”

            • The Dude

              Huh? I don’t get into that stuff. But it is pretty funny.
              I saw a video where a teacher gave the same horoscope to each of the students. They were told that it was generated from the info they had given at the first class. They all agreed it was spot on for each of them.
              They were more than just surprised to find that they were all the same.

            • Beth

              yeah, I know, and I agree Dude. What can I say? I was supposed to work tonight and it just got cancelled, so I’m a little giddy 🙂

            • The Dude

              Funny. I was not supposed to work but my Chef took the night off, so

              here I am. No parties. No reservations. Boring. My cooks are all standing around doing nothing so I am drinking free coffee and Bunkering down for the duration of the evening on the Chef’s computer.

            • Beth

              cool!

            • Missionary Kid

              What I’ve said in the past is that astrology is just a way to tell someone they’re an asshole without pissing them off.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Wow, nice!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Beth that is so cooly historical!

      • Beth

        gave me a goosebump or two, I have to say.

  • beauty for ashes

    Just found a little more of the Leah Remini Oprah interview. She talks about not being asked back after the first year of “The Talk.” I thought this was really interesting having watched a good deal of the first year and the second year of that show. At first Sarah was very inspired by the an intimate group of mothers and the things they dare not confess to. It fell away and evolved into the chat show it is now. I find Leah now, a lot softer, than she was on that show. I sometimes found it hard to watch what I now understand as a sort of scientology conditioned aggressiveness of asserting your views. (I meant that with absolutely no disrespect). One of the attractive things for me as a never in to watch so many interviews with the survivors of scientology is the transformation of the way they express themselves. No longer quick aggressive and single minded, it is a slow questioning thoughtful response. It comes from a genuine individuality and humility. 🙂 I really want to see this whole interview and am trying to find the whole thing together. Leah’s someone I’d love to sit down and talk with!
    http://www.onenewspage.com/video/20150514/2869962/Leah-Remini-Addresses-The-Talk-Controversy-and-Her.htm

    • Robert Hammond

      Good points. I also enjoy seeing the transformation from arrogant aggression to humble compassion that often occurs as people regain their humanity. Jon Atack talks about lack of humility in Scientologists as being one reason it takes them so much longer to recover than those coming out of other cults.

    • minibrain

      It looks like ex Scientooligists get put on pedestals and have all these admirable qualities projected onto them by in the Underground Bunker. How do individuals, who stay while the going is good and leave as soon as the costs outweigh the benefits, go from being so ridiculed to some kind of hero worshipped poster child just because they now crossed the floor to the cool kids side of the room. So all Tom Cruise has do is blow and say harsh things about CO$ and he will be the Underground Bunker’s new favourite movie star?

      • Leigh Andrews

        I haven’t cared for Tom Cruise’s movies, and gave up on them in 1990 or so, so even if he left, I wouldn’t be a fan.

        I would argue that the going is NEVER good in Scientology. Either you are paying for services or you are being nagged to pay for services. If I went to any church in my town, I would be welcomed without the need to donate. Scientology is a business, not a charity.

      • Sookie Sookie

        I’m upvoting because, if you’re not being a troll, it takes balls to ask that here. And because I swing back to that same frustration sometimes, when I get too fatigued from the incessant shitty behavior of the people who are still in. Sometimes it *does* seem like they only leave when it finally affects them personally.

        But, rationally, I know that most of the people inside are victims as much as they are victimizers. And I have nothing but sympathy and concern for the people born into it.

        I can’t speak for anyone else, but TC will always be laughable to me, no matter how he handles this. There’s just no way to ever get that freaky video out of my mind.

      • Kay

        I don’t think you should criticize anyone who leaves Scientology , or second-guess their motives.

      • Scream Nevermore

        No, and no.

      • Shanester

        All you have to do is listen to Ms. Remini speak to understand her admirable qualities. We do not have to do any projecting at all. It is Scientologists who project undeserved qualities of admiration onto their celebrities and leaders.

        Multi-millionaire Tom Cruise enjoys the labor of Sea Org “volunteers” for construction projects (at a minimum). What is admirable about that?

        David Miscavige uses Scientology donations to pay two private investigators $10,000 per week (each!) to spy on his own father. What is admirable about that?

        • Mymy88

          I remember when John Sweeney (I saw this on a YouTube video) was commenting about the interviews he did with Leah, Kirstie, Julia, etc… He said out of all of them, he liked Leah the most and was not surprised that much when he heard she left.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Wow. This is the cool kids side of the room.

        Who knew?

        • The Dude

          Where ever I am is “The Cool Side”. LOL!

          • Rasha

            …we abide.

      • Observer

        Nobody is being put on pedestals. Exes are just human beings like the rest of us … BUT the journey they are on, which includes facing and admitting the truth about how they were duped (and for some the awful Scientology directives they carried out while in, and apologizing and making what amends they can), is something that takes an extraordinary amount of courage. They get my respect.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        At least you got your username right.

      • beauty for ashes

        Does it sound like I said that? I was trying to be tactful and found myself being really careful with my words. While I like Leah, I’m really interested in general right now people who in a fight for their own voice around a lot of people including family who think they’re wrong or amoral.
        I do think I understand what you are saying though. I have had that thought about other ex scientologists not being particularly heroic. But I do think it is perhaps a little simplistic to say “the Bunker thinks” or “the Bunker says.” Aren’t you in the Bunker right now?
        I personally am having a really hard time with the question, where in the spectrum of belief in scientology does the critic community say that a person is okay? I have had personal beliefs that were misguided at certain times in the name of God. I am actually appalled at some of the things I’ve done and said. I’d hate to imagine what other people would say about ME if it was all laid out for them. I didn’t know any better at the time, and now I have more information and have made different choices. Of course I could decide at any time that even the information I have now is not complete, and evolve other ideas. For that reason, I have avoided analyzing people like Marty Rathbun and his beliefs. Also WTF do I know personally about him? I’ve never had a conversation with him even. I would like to, he does seem fascinating, and yes even inspiring. But only in some ways , not all ways to me. I’m sure he has faults and blind spots like us all.
        But don’t we all root for people we like when we watch them being self destructive? And celebrate when they face their own demons?
        Anyway I appreciate your comment it made me think. Maybe we can continue to discuss this.

        • Mymy88

          I struggle a lot with it too, but still, I tend to give ex-scientologists the benefit of the doubt.

      • Captain MustSavage

        This are lots of different beliefs here. As a never in I have mixed feelings about exes, some more so than others. G’OSA operatives should all pay for the crimes they committed against others – yes even Mike Rinder who has become a champion irritant to the cult – by serving jail time as far as I’m concerned. Crossing the floor doesn’t mean cleansing the slate IMHO.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Have you ever admitted you were in error or wrong?

        I have found that being honest about my failings, and owning the responsibility, is beneficial for everyone.

        If you were aware of the history, the praise of those who left the you know it depends on their actions after they left.

        Merrell Vannier is not praised her because he does not disavow Hubbard or the tech.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Your mileage may differ. But I’m asking for some help. Please sign my petition. My company spends over 100 grand a year mostly on Delta. I switched to United until this gets stopped. Thanks you!
    https://www.change.org/p/delta-air-lines-end-the-transport-of-exotic-animal-hunting-trophies

    • The Dude

      I rarely fly. But I will avoid Delta from now on.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Please sign, that’ll make a difference. Obigado!

        • The Dude

          done

          • Beth

            me too. ew.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Thank you!

            • Mymy88

              I have not seen it yet, but if I qualify to sign it, can you please give the link again. Thanks!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Thank you!

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Obrigado!

        • Shanester

          Signed it. Should have added “no transport of illegal ivory” in my opinion. Public relation pressure campains likes these have real impact, however, and this is a good one. Over 200,000 signatures now.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Thank you!

        • Robert Eckert

          Done

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Thanks you!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Thank you!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Okay Todd I signed it!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Thanks you!

    • moimo

      Signed

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Thank you!

    • Andrew Robertson

      Done!

      Andrew

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Thanks Andrew!

    • Snake Plissken

      Every now and then karma catches up with these little men who are compensating for their lack of manhood

      http://freddyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/bullfighter550.jpg

      • The Dude

        Ouch!. That’s gonna leave a mark.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Good!

        • stillgrace2

          Minimum damage = one broken right ankle.

          • PickAnotherID

            Also a major hole through the lower jaw, and maybe some teeth knocked loose. That’s the tip of the right horn coming out the dude’s mouth! Yuck.

            • stillgrace2

              Yikes. Missed that one.

            • Mymy88

              YAY! o/

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        It looks like the bulls horn runs right through the man’s throat to mouth. Wow!

        • Snake Plissken

          Yep, that’s what I call a case of instant karma

        • Mymy88

          GOOD! I hope you’re right! He’s a effin animal torturer.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        My Grandparents were on a tour bus of Europe. They left this event and lost the bus in their 80’s. Luckily, a nice Spanish family took care of them for three days until the tour company sent tickets on a small plane to come fetch them. During that same trip they left a lady in the bathroom of a museum and she totally lost it in France and jumped on a plane home!

    • Pierrot

      Done, proudly South African, trophy hunting especially “can killing” is immoral, photo safari are 100%.

    • beauty for ashes

      Hell yes! Posted to Facebook, widely didemminated to friends!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Now, you deserve a big thank you from the animals. Thank you!

    • noseinabk

      Done.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Thank you!

    • Mymy88

      Done.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Thank you!

  • ze moo

    I am not surprised that Merrell Vannier still lives in the bubble. It is a very strong bubble for those who don’t see very well. When the blinders are on very tight, it is hard to see the rest of the field. I don’t know when Vannier left corporate $cientology, but he never did leave worship of Lroon.

    I can see where the early ‘communications’ courses can rope in new meat. But that is where most leave. Only a very few stay in to hear about Xenu. The second and third generation clams never had any hope of avoiding the dead hand of Lroon. Unfortunately for them, if the family finances held out long enough to get them well on the toll bridge to thought stopping, they had only one chance to escape. An escape that may have cost them their family and friends and the clam version of their ‘eternity’.

    Here’s to all who took the leap and freed their minds from Lroon. F5

    I do hope Jamie DeWolfe’s show makes it to video. I’d buy it. hint, hint streaming sites…..

    • The Dude

      Tell that barmaid to send a few of those over here to this table!

      • ze moo

        They’re all going to my table.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Well, we’re sittin’ with you then.

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      I’m having one right now and plan on a few more.

  • Jimmy3
    • The Dude

      Bout ta ting.

      • Jimmy3

        I have to post this version because it has 1,337+ likes.
        So hit me with it, Bob.

        http://youtu.be/2j6uXOfgWz8

        • The Dude

          I can dig it.

  • anoni81b4u

    Watched GOING CLEAR.. no wonder Stupidtology is butthurt! AWSOME DOC .. ( I know its been out for a while)

    • ReallyMGM

      LOL It will be on On Demand and HBOGO for eternity so they best get used to it.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Then bought near by Vejo. Which I was told would give it international exposure.

    • Snake Plissken

      Butthurt doesn’t even begin to describe it, they are so far beyond butthurt they couldn’t catch a bus back to butthurt.

  • PickAnotherID

    I like this one! We’re now “Bunker Bugs” according to ‘elle’ in a response to my comment yesterday about SCOTUS determining $cientology was a business. I’m pretty sure she called us that over on the US Magazine article about Leah too.

    elle -> PickAnotherID•2 hours ago

    What a pile of BS. You, like the other bunker bug losers just make things up. You sit around acting like experts when in fact your are torturing a lie out of straightforward data. You might want to work on that flaw.

    I guess she didn’t like being told to word clear “Quid pro quo”.

    • Observer

      Bunker bug losers = people who know the truth and don’t buy Scientology’s BS

      • Jimmy3

        I’d rather be a bug than a clam. I’m okay with that.

        • PickAnotherID

          Maybe we could have a softball game, “Bunker Bugs vs The Clams”. Or would it be, “$cilons vs Bunker Bugs”??

          • The Dude

            It would take forever. They would keep giving the ball to the IAS.

      • PickAnotherID

        I kind of like “Bunker Bug”. It has a ring to it.

        • Beth

          It sounds snuggly and cute. I like it too.

          • Observer

            I take “loser” from a Scientologist as a compliment. It means we can’t be bullied into silence.

            • Beth

              Amen.

        • The Dude

          Here is “The Doomsday Bunker Buggy”
          F5 for pic

    • grundoon

      elle wants to exterminate us “bunker bugs,” quietly and without sorrow?

    • beauty for ashes

      Elle is pretty inspiring, kind of like negative political adds. F5

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Just a quick thankyou to the late Dr. David R Coddon, died 2002, who administered the sodium pentothal to Paulette Cooper and he staked his reputation on her telling the truth.

    Beautifully told in “The Unbreakable Miss Lovely”. At the point in the story that Tony Ortega describes that moment when Dr. Coddon did the truth serum test, and he was outraged at what the prosecutor was doing to Paulette, just magnified my own outrage at the US ustice system that pursued what clearly was a false case of societally unchecked megalomaniac L. Ron Hubbard’s malevolent Scientology “scriptures” orders carried out blindly by cult member co-evil partners/followers to frame Paulette. Hubbard had won the minds of those that should have gone to jail for that conspiracy of harassment and murdous plotting to destroy Paulette.

    It’s really hit me how evil L. Ron Hubbard was, reading of Dr. Coddon’s rage at the NY justice prosecutor, and now realizing how US justice MISSED getting Hubbard and instead targetted the journalist who first clearly nailed Hubbard in words that Paulette’s “Scandal of Scientology” book today read so well (I’m re-reading it also).

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/05/classified/paid-notice-deaths-coddon-david-r-md.html

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Hubbard’s left fanatical members who fooled the NY prosecutor(s), and Hubbard’s left fanatical members who backed off the IRS.

    I hope to hell someone in the US Justice Dept is outraged now, about how L. Ron Hubbard, the megalomaniac bested them!

    I’ve never been so outraged as I am at the moment of L. Ron Hubbard’s malevolence, uncaught, unpunished.

    I hope to hell Scientology pays for ALL illegalities it today perpetrates, and as a US taxpayer, I would gladly pay more taxes to see US Government deal with Scientology’s evil.

    • Mockingbird

      I honestly think the PR exposure has to reach a point where so many never ins know Scientology is a criminal organization terrorizing people that they see the only reason left for the accommodations from the government is corruption that the government is shamed into action.The public are the key to making the dominos fall.

  • Mark

    Oops, nearly forgot… (refresh):

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Is that Wee Davey in the middle, Mark?

      • Mark

        I sincerely hope not!

    • PickAnotherID

      Where are the ‘Bunker Bugs’??

      • Mark

        Making unsettling scrabbling noises behind the walls, of course…

  • JustCallMeMary

    Jon Atack nails it! Some people want to edit history to fit their visions of what they wanted to believe but were never true.. Vannier is one of them. Keep dreaming, Merrell.

    • JustCallMeMary

      This could well be Vannier… Sounds like it was taken right out of Hubbard’s GO / OSA scripts https://youtu.be/jimZ0QUdAeY

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Sorry, but I can sniff out Johnny Depp with cataracts from a mile away.

      • madame duran

        In my eyes, Johnny Depp is getting more and more skeevy with each passing year.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    “The Unbreakable Miss Lovely” reveals the National Enquirer’s employment of Paulette so that she had a steady income, and Tony’s listed out over a half dozen of the story headlines she authored for them, all sound great stories.

    Thankyou National Enquirer!

    This is another reason to READ “The Unbreakable Miss Lovely”, it is riveting, I can’t put it down at the moment.

    It fills me with rage for L. Ron Hubbard, and for his mindless Scientologists (I sadly was WAY duped to Hubbard’s fantasy mindset).

    But “The Unbreakable Miss Lovely” also fills me with good feelings for the people like at the National Enquirer (the wiser, less fooled Brit writers, and the bosses who appreciated Paulette’s work for them at the National Enquirer) and I’m so happy to read of the late Dr. Coddon who realized what Scientology was doing to Paulette.
    This book is so welcome.

    • beauty for ashes

      When I saw your acknowledgement in the book, it made me smile. Your memory is so amazing, that it sometimes challenges me in a good way to read your comments. I feel a sense of triumph if I got everything you said. Its like I’m keeping up with the class! Just wanted to say that you have challenged me a lot to learn more and put some things in context. (like a lot of other bunkerites too) Anyway thanks Chuck! 🙂

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        p. 252 Kendrick Moxon’s name appears, with Michael Meisner (Meisner did the unthinkable GOOD moral thing by defecting TO the US Justice Dept against Scientology/Guardian’s Office–another reason defectors ARE a constant positive in Scientology’s history), Meisner says he was told that Moxon sent in fake samples of Meisner’s handwriting to put off the FBI. Scientology suffers L. Ron Hubbard’s blindness if they think it’s wise keeping Kendrick Moxon on duty as lawyer in house for the Church of Scientology International’s Office of Special Affairs International, all for dead L. Ron Hubbard, today.

        Tony’s Guardian’s Office chapter is just so excellently laid out, I’ll be up all night finishing this book.

        • beauty for ashes

          The only thing I disagree about is that I think it would be better told in a tv series (on premium cable) . Two hours really only covers one chapter. I don’t want to say anything else if you are still in the middle of reading.
          I do like the idea of the comic relief of TRYING to get some of the stupid plans of the GO implemented. The dry cleaners, and the Paulette double with the quick change could be really good.

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            Yes!! TV series much better idea!!!

            This book, Tony does a nice chapter by chapter up and down swing for things for Paulette.

            Lots of swings up and down, and this makes for good series of TV shows, that is a really good idea.

            Chuck

    • Mockingbird

      I am sometimes amazed at how long anger at Hubbard for his evil and betrayal of trust can live in us . He took so much from so many and set in motion harm and damage that will outlast generations through his lies and cult .

      I hope his shadow over you lessens and with support from others your recovery is strong and your happiness grows .I hope you get a chance to have freedom from Hubbard’s pernicious influence. Many people have him hanging over their lives like an unrelenting curse .

      • MaxSpaceman

        And ‘that’, Mockingbird, is the diabolical, enduring legacy of Ron Hubbard Sr. That, for the love of riches and wealth, he created a mindf*#k that can infect a person’s private world and cause great pain and dysfunction, for more than a half century.

  • PickAnotherID

    Red X’ers should check this page out: https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/advertising-faqs-guide-small-business

    While it’s a FAQ on deceptive advertising for small businesses, it lays out what constitutes deceptive advertising very clearly.

    Online complaint system starts here: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/#crnt&panel1-1

    You don’t have to be in the US to complain if the deceptive ad originates in the US.

    • Pierrot

      Thanks PAI,
      I will check it out in 6-8 hours time, it is 2:20am here and I am already in the dog’s box for not being in bed.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    $cientology: how I grew to appreciate The National Enquirer, question the First Amendment,
    root for the IRS, pray for the Feds, realize that Mormons were not so strange after all,
    avoid a lot of bad movies and worse tv shows, and become a fan of Guy Fawkes.

    Miss Lovely HAS been busy.
    Beth with wonderful shots of her visiting former residences in NYC,
    a literate kitty and astronauts in Florida, a shark in Ohio for Howdy,
    DC Org (I swear I can see a sparrow there), signatures in SF and a ticket in Chi.
    Will Espi show up?

    Collage #18

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Will Espi show up? Wow, that’s a good question. I’d hope so.

      • beauty for ashes

        Hey Elro,(like the nickname?) did Tony give any hints about what part of Florida he’s coming to? I was thinking about renting an RV and getting a giant TUML decal. Too much?

        • Miss Tia

          NOT too much—especially if you drive it thru downtown Clearwater! 😀

          • beauty for ashes

            Actually I’d probably have to get a used icecream truck and spray paint on the side, but one can dream! But that could be fun too!

            • Miss Tia

              If you had an ice cream truck we could reword ‘we stand tall’ and you could blast that as you drove around with your TUML decal! 😀

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Some might say too much. Others might say just enough. Elro, that’s good. My cats name is Elco. Isn’t that cute?

          • beauty for ashes

            Sorry elle inspired a little artwork about “bunker bugs!”
            Elco is cute. Actually I’m lying, it kind of sounds like a generic brand. But what do I know I never named a cat?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Hey there flip flopper. I didn’t mean his name was cute. It’s not. Just that my new nickname from you kind of matched his name.

            • beauty for ashes

              If you call me Flip Flopper, I’ll call you Wrong Turd! 😉 No really what is Elco short for something? El camino? Electric company? Elizabethan Costume? LOL

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I wanted a non-human, not typical pet name. I was searching for two weeks with no inspiration. One day I came home and he was lying in this box. A box full of ELCO connectors. Something studios use to connect lots of equipment together. I had them for a wiring project I was working on. That was it, from then on he had to be called Elco. The second shot is him posed in front of a pile of them.

            • beauty for ashes

              Elco helps you connect! What a cute kitteh face! look at those white mittens – and I love how he’s holding his tail down! Elco and Elro*aww*

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I have not seen anything announced about location. I’m curious too.

    • The Dude

      I think Espi is here. Just with a different moniker.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Channeling Howdy now are ya, Dude? Spill the beans!

        • The Dude

          Just speculation. I have my suspicions. I am not saying anything just yet.

          • Jimmy3

            He should know he’s always welcome here.

            • The Dude

              But would Tony kick him out again? Dunno.

            • Jimmy3

              Everyone else that has been banned has come back at least once. And none are as beloved as Espiando. I see it more as a warning than a ban. But whatever. Many people miss you, guy.

            • Ben Franklin

              You have to go to Rinder’s blog to see Espiando

            • Jimmy3

              I shouldn’t have to.

            • Ben Franklin

              I don’t know what happened but I remember seeing a post where he said that he has long memory and does not forget or forgive. Basically said he will never come back to the Bunker

            • Jimmy3

              That’s the Anonymous tagline. We do not forget, we do not forgive. But the way I see it, there’s nothing to forget or to forgive. He could come back and be welcomed with open arms at any time.

            • Ben Franklin

              He seemed to have some beef with Tony but not the Bunkerites in general

            • Jimmy3

              Because Tony said “You’re gone” and banned him. I would be upset, too. But a lot of time has passed. He would be welcomed again.

            • Ben Franklin

              I don’t think the bans last forever either, if he wanted to he would have come back anyways.

            • Jimmy3

              The ban doesn’t matter. Espi is not an idiot. He’s savvy. He could have evaded the ban that very moment. The same minute he was banned, he could’ve come back with a new account. But It’s a pride thing. I’m just saying, enough time has passed that he should be back here, and everyone would welcome him. I’d be first in line to give him a ((((((hug)))))))

            • ^^^^

            • Jimmy3

              I have that backwards but whatever

            • beauty for ashes

              Would he really feel free to be himself? I don’t know. Would you hang out in a bar you got fired from? or would that feel lame?

            • Jimmy3

              If my buddies still slipped me free drinks while the boss wasn’t looking… Yeah

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I know he’d hate anyone saying it like this, but he has behaved himself at Rinder’s. He could do it here too if he cared to come back. Maybe he still holds a grudge, but I hope not. He was very intelligent and always had good points to make.

            • Perhaps being “under moderation” was good for him.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I thought so too, but the moniker that I was aware of stopped commenting.

        I would love to meet the person and pay by back diet pepsi or two, that I owe him

      • If you’re thinking the person with the Elmer Fudd avi — I asked them directly if they were Espi and they said no — no conclusive proof but compelling anyway.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          You should have shot him up with Sodium pentathol or given him a trick question like,”What is the proper temp. for veal to be stored at?”

    • lmnop

      “$cientology: how I grew to appreciate The National Enquirer…”
      ~~~~~~~~~
      Me too! Never thought I would have respect for The National Enquirer, but I do in a very strange way, after reading The Unbreakable Miss Lovely!

      • MaxSpaceman

        I ‘never’ would’ve believed I would’ve ever concurred. Now, I appreciate and have a modicum of respect for Nat’l Enq.

    • Robert Hammond

      Love the way you are memorializing these important times with creative words and images.

  • nottrue

    Blow kitty blow….

    • The Dude

      Must be a Sea org cat. Works for kibbles.

    • beauty for ashes

      Paging Jimmy3!

      • Jimmy3

        Humans sometimes wonder why I blink so much. I was just a kitten and they promised me Bumblebee. The premium, the chunk white albacore. It is very delicious. You should join staff. I am very happy. Please, pay attention to my blinking, and you will know that you should join staff. Please.

    • aurora50

      Implications are that a lost and lonely fellow creature, to be eligible for rescue, must be ‘qualified’ and ‘happy to work for kibbles’.

      Seems someone in Phoenix is revealing perhaps more than was intended?

    • Miss Tia

      FREE PHOENIX!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • PickAnotherID

    Later Bunker Bugs! I was just rather forcefully reminded (Tone 45) my grandaughter has a recital tonight.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I assume your companion was the one who reminded you.
      Yes, your granddaughter is far more important.
      Have a nice evening

  • Tracsar

    A question I haven’t seen addressed anywhere yet, I don’t think. Congress just passed a new anti-human trafficking law that I think was recently signed by the president. Any chance that Sci could find itself in hot water as a result of this? If so, how would it work?

  • The Dude

    Ok. it is official. This restaurant is dead tonight. We have done one party of 3. I have sent all my cooks home and I am just waiting for 9:00 so I can close for the night. I am the only manager here. Everyone else took the night off. Big giant building with no one in it.
    Wait I have the bar keys……Everyone come on down. Drinks are on the Algonquin Club! LOL!

    • Eclipse-girl

      Wonderful writers and I am especially fond of Dorothy Parkes

      • The Dude

        Sorry. That is The Algonquin Round Table. Named after the Algonquin Hotel NYC. This is The Algonquin Club of Boston. Just as old. 1889 this place was built.

        • Damn, wish I was in Boston with a Scotch in my hand.

        • Eclipse-girl

          It is all good.

    • Beth

      hmmmmm. Giant building with no one in it? ARE YOU ?!?!?!?!

    • Snake Plissken

      Everyone is on the Cape this weekend.

    • Davka

      Very swanky Back Bay address. Would that I could come visit!

  • Eclipse-girl

    I missed Elle’s appeanace have will have to got through the comments.

    Does anything think that Ell could be Cynic728 on

    http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/22/casey-kasems-wife-will-not-be-prosecuted-elder-abuse-jean/

    • Frodis73

      I would not be surprised in the least if it is.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Day shift Elle doesn’t swear, remains fairly calm and, whilst arrogant, shows flashes of common sense. Night shift Elle is angrier, swears more and is less intelligent. Cynic728 sounds rather a lot like night shift Elle.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Thanks. I am not sure I will keep them straight. That is my failing, I guess.

        I just remember Elle refused to look at newspaper article about decaying building and hundreds of thousands of dollars owed in back taxes to various municipalities.

        They called me a liar but could not state where i had lied.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          I was convinced there was only one Elle until recently, and perhaps there was. She seemed free to spend extended periods on message boards and would frequently respond to me several days after I left her a message, meaning that she wasn’t forbidden from engaging with us, and almost having a real conversation. I believed she was a public who was perhaps on her A to E steps, or just fanatical. Either way, she’s not a comment-and-run girl.

          Night shift Elle feels new. What a weird world this is, E-G.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Day shift Elle –
            That is the person who will call you names like liar and bigot.
            She can’t answer the direct questions.

            I had one or two long conversations that each ended with her going add hominem on me.

            She also has a tendency to return to an article several days after activity has stopped and then peppers the dialogue with pro scientology comments.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              That’s her. Unpleasant and fanatical, but not as personally nasty as Night Shift who goes straight in with the “bitches” and “bullshits”. Day Shift rarely swears.

              Night night and sweet dreams, E-G. The sun is rising here and I’m due at a BBQ in 6 hours. I suppose I should get some sleep 🙂

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              PS. I’ve just checked out Cynic’s posting history and I think she or he is just one of those people who gets really, really involved in gossip websites.

            • Eclipse-girl

              OK. It was late, I knew my brain wasn’t sharp

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              My brain is fudge today. I managed 4 hours sleep before waking up in a panic that I’d forgotten something really important. I hadn’t put the laundry on last night so my dress won’t be washed in time for the BBQ we’re going to. Grrr!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I remembered on Friday evening, that today we are driving from Wis to Ohio to see my niece graduate on Monday.
              That made me anxious and my sleep has been close to nothing.

              I am sorry about not getting the laundry done.
              I had to start getting in done late Friday so we would have clothes to pack for the 2 /3 day trip

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Have a safe trip, love. Anxiety aside, I’m sure it will be a very special time 🙂

  • MaxSpaceman

    Enturbulate! Enturbulate! Dance to the music.
    Enturbulate! Enturbulate! Dance to the music.
    Enturbulate! Enturbulate! Dance to the music.

    What a spectacular conference Jon and all have upcoming. A wonderful exposition to define and expose the cult of criminality known as Scientology.

    Scientology,
    The criminal cult of greed.
    Bringing down the House!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Heehee 😀 Also – funny joke from Spike:

      A Christian, a Muslim and a Scientologist are marooned on a desert island. The Christian prays to Jesus and the Muslim to Allah, hoping they will be rescued.

      The Scientologist merely sits down and waits; he knows that his IAS reg will find him.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Hah!
        you-Betty– isn’t it 02:20 in yo neck o’ the woods?
        Sleep!!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          It is, but I’ve been at a party and returned home to find my copy of The Witcher 3 has arrived so how can I possibly sleep? I may never sleep again. At least, not until I’ve completed the first play-through 😛

          • Shanester

            Word!

    • Frodis73

      I heard Enturbulate! Enturbulate! in the voice of the Daleks (from Dr Who for those that don’t know). Lol.

  • lmnop

    I wonder if the SPEAK FREE Act can be used (if passed) to fight Scientology and their contracts where they can charge people thousands of dollars if they say anything negative about the organization:
    ~~~~~~~~~
    http://eshoo.house.gov/issues/justice/eshoo-leads-bipartisan-bill-to-protect-free-speech-on-the-internet/
    excerpt:
    The SPEAK FREE Act will provide a federal backstop to state anti-SLAPP laws by creating a process similar to that in Texas and California, where expensive court proceedings are delayed and claims can be dismissed if the defendant can show that a SLAPP suit cannot succeed on the merits.

    “Frivolous lawsuits known as SLAPPs undermine a cornerstone of our democracy and the free and open Internet—free speech,” said Eshoo. “When an Internet user chooses to review a product or service online,
    they should not have to fear being sued by that company just because they offer a review that isn’t a glowing one. The SPEAK FREE Act ensures nationwide protections against SLAPPs without preempting strong state laws like California’s pioneering anti-SLAPP law. Most importantly, this legislation protects free speech for Americans on the
    Internet.”

    “By threatening punitive action against consumers who use online services such as TripAdvisor or Yelp to leave anything other than glowing reviews, there are those who would stifle the same free exchange of opinions that has made the internet such a vital tool for communicating and conducting commerce,” said Issa. “The SPEAK FREE Act takes important steps to ensure the internet’s status as a critical economic engine remains intact. Consumers have a right to express their opinions without fear of punitive action.”

    “Countless Americans have found themselves on the receiving end of baseless lawsuits simply because they dare to speak their mind in an op-ed, a blog post, or an online forum,” said Polis. “The price of an individual’s decision to exercise his or her First Amendment rights should not be years of costly legal battles. The SPEAK FREE Act protects the openness of the Internet and every person’s right to free speech by helping Americans defend themselves against frivolous SLAPPs.”

  • coonellie

    After Miss Lovely left Blenheim (one of my favorite places!), she decided to visit Portland. She was also fascinated by LRH’s empty office on a deserted street.

    • aurora50

      JUST put in a purchase request to the local library system here in town to purchase the book…synchronicity!

      • coonellie

        The Washington County Cooperative Library Services (WCCLS) has already bought it and put it through the system :). It’ll be available to all those on the west side and the burbs in about three more days!

        • aurora50

          Cool! will request through ILL till Multnomah Cty gets it in!

    • coonellie

      Shanester…I left Portlandia for you, as promised!

      As an aside, Portland was very brisk with tourists, packed restaurants, lots of shoppers and no parking. But the org didn’t reflect the activity. There was no table outside, no body routers at all, and people saying not nice things about them as they walked by (I heard them). Inside I saw one person watching a video, another standing in front of a screen with his smartphone filming it, and two people taking the personality exam. Otherwise, empty. I saw four staff total and one who left on the side street.

      • aurora50

        It’s the beginning of Rose Festival…the biggest oldest annual Hoorah in town.
        One would think a perfect time to put on the ‘full court press’.

        And as an aside, can never get over the faux pas of the Ideal Org opening on the same day the Dalai Lama was in town…did D-LHD-M really think he would outdraw His Holiness? smh (just learned what that means…lol)

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      At least the decor is back en vogue.

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    …No San Fran pics?

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Jamie DW asked that people put down their smart phones and just enjoy the show, so we’re waiting and hoping that he will post some soon 🙂

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Jamie’s Facebook status 6 hours ago: “Epic. That was EPIC.”

    • Todd Tomorrow

      All mine ended up with my face in them which is not OSA’s business. Jamie said that if he found a phone on he’d take and shove it down his crotch. Others had verified they had seen this happened. Jamie’s brother filmed the entire thing so they’d have the best pics. Torry, used a digital camera and tool numerous photos of, ‘The Shit Show”. Hopefully, she’ll post them. It was so much fun and neat to meet so many people. Paulette and her husband Paul Noble were so nice. We were early and got to meet them. Not once did they ever forget mine or my companions name. They’d come up and say “Todd are you having a good time.” They must have met at least 90 people out of 250 and three different times they remembered our names? I thought is was a magic trick but they were just classy people. Also. got to meet Tory and Spanky who sat near us. Spanky’s daughter is now a beautiful woman. Tony was in a great mood and got to meet some of his family. Got to meet Jamie Dewolf’s mum, too. Very nice person.
      WARNING ADULT CONTENT;
      TC giving DM oral why baby Siri fell out of Katie Holme’s vagina was fucking funny. She even used the infant to get him off of DM, which worked for awhile. Then DM put his junk back in TC’s mouth. He He!

      • Frodis73

        LMAO! I really hope Jamie puts this out…I really want to see that for some odd reason.

      • Frodis73

        I didn’t forget about that info about the spca and others.,Here is a great blog to start at as he covers everything. http://www.nathanwinograd.com/?cat=8

        Also, there is a wonderful book called “Redemption”.
        http://www.amazon.com/Redemption-Myth-Overpopulation-Revolution-America/dp/0979074312

        As I mentioned my mom managed a county shelter for years and I grew up there for the most part. As an animal lover the idea of “no kill” shelters sounded great, but I had worked in and seen the reality and didn’t think it was possible. This book totally changed my mind in one reading. He goes into detail about how shelters are run wrong from the top down to how the vet associations are in cahoots with the spca, hsus, etc. to keep the cash flowing to the vets vs actually helping animals. They should be supporting things like low cost spay/neuter, trap and release, etc and they do NOT and actually lobby against it. It’s very frustrating and sickening. I cannot recommend this book enough. It’s one I lost in my house fire and still have not replaced as I usually read it every year or so-it’s that good and it would get me riled up again to continue the good fight. If you get the book I’d love to hear your thoughts as I know this is an issue close to your heart also.

        • Mymy88

          Wow thanks. I am thinking the same way as you used to think. No kill shelters just do not quite cut it, in my opinion. I also am passionately against death by gassing. It is extremely inhumane. I will definitely read that book and check out that other link. I’ve not heard of any of those injustices and I want to learn about them now.

          • Frodis73

            I seriously cannot say enough good things about the book. I thought no kill shelters were just a joke because they might not kill animals, but they turn tons away that in turn get dumped or worse. He has made some excellent points and has done this experiment at many different shelters in various areas of the country and had excellent results. We might not be able to get there 100%, but we sure as hell can do a better job than we have done in the past. I know you are also an animal lover and I think you will enjoy it…it will make you laugh, cry and then angry as hell. Thankfully, the ending is hopeful. 🙂

        • Todd Tomorrow

          We are the largest group in California that works with Greyhounds. Not only are we 100% no kill but if something would ever happen to a person who adopts one of our dogs we will care for it until it dies of natural causes. We spend tons of money buying Greyhounds from some idiot hunters that breed them for hunting. Then we spay them, give them a very complete physical, clear their teeth and last but not least cat test them. The shelters call us if ever one would show up. It’s such a joy to see these, second fastest mammals turn into loving beings. The majority take to their adopted houses easily. The tracks are luckily fading away but sadly it’s big in Australia, UK and fucking FL.

          • Frodis73

            I love Greyhounds. My mom almost got one via a rescue years ago, but the timing just never worked out (she was always pulling dogs from her shelter to try and place them). I have heard that FL is pretty off the hook in regards to racing so there are a lot of rescues in that area. I’d still like to get another dog from a proper rescue one day, if/when my situation changes. A Greyhound or Samoyed are the two at the top of my list-couldn’t be more different choices huh? Lol. I had a Sammy when I was a teen…I fell in love with them at dog shows as a kid and never shook my addiction to them. When I was working with a Sammy rescue group I about passed out pulling into their yard…picture a long wooded driveway with a fenced in area…about 15 beautiful white Sammies come running out to greet me. I was in heaven seeing that many at one time. It was so cute and funny.
            You are doing such a good thing by working with these groups…so many people just throw them away as if they are an old pair of shoes vs a sentient being.

  • joan nieman

    Love to read your expressive writing Jon. You tell it like it is and that’s the best way to reveal the truth.

  • Sandy

    Espi – I lost Howdy. Why do I have to lose U too?

    • What?! What happened?

      • Always Amazed

        Downthread peeps are wishing espi will return. 😉

  • ElleGee

    Never in, those of you that recognize me. Howdy. I wanted to find out if THIS (below) is what the scibots at Narconon believe, because it has always escaped me as to why it is believed that large doses of Niacin flushed anything out of the system. This person, some of you may have seen them or encountered them, Waterhorse, wrote:

    “Waterhorse: Fred a day ago

    Try taking 500 mg of niacin and watch your face turn on like a neon sign with radiation. You might even throw up so get near a barf bag if you decide to try this experiment. Niacin releases stored radiation from the body. Fact.”

    I cannot even begin to opine because to do so would go down a rabbit hole, but suffice it to say ignorance is…sad.

    And is the ignorance willful or imposed, or a combination of some sort. Just trying to wrap my head around LRH’s world of illogical thinking.

    • Mymy88

      I agree. It’s spaced out, incredibly deranged ignorance. Well, they say sciens are basically brutally and relentlessly pushed into developing the same thinking patterns as LRH.

      • ElleGee

        “A Mind is a terrible thing to waste” comes to me as I read your post MM88. So depressing to contemplate how someone with most likely the initial intentions of doing good, only to be transformed through mind control into a doltish twit.

    • kemist

      It’s a very stupid and dangerous experiment too.

      Niacin does not release “stored radiation” from the body. That’s so stupid it’s not even wrong. But it does destroy your liver. Dose that will do that varies from person to person.

      • Freethinker

        Years ago I foolishly took large doses of niacin because I read it could help lower cholesterol. I developed a bad case of acute hepatitis. It took me a while to convince my doctor that I didn’t drink or use drugs (true), only took niacin.

        • Frodis73

          I almost got sucked into taking it for depression years ago. As soon as i started looking deeper though and nobody could provide real studies, so I forgot about it. Those folks trying to do the hard sell on stuff like that are good. Thankfully I’m one of those people that researches things to death. When you are desperate for help any shred of hope is like a life saver and it can cloud your common sense. Those scammers know it and take advantage of desperate people. 🙁

          • MaxSpaceman

            Which is exactly why the $32,000 advance payment sales pitch for NarCONon works on so many desperate families.

            • ElleGee

              Its at those vulnerable times of desperation that someone can be most vulnerable to suspending their own sound beliefs and adopt less than reliable info. THIS should be a crime.

        • jeff

          Cheerios do the trick and they taste better (along w/ exercise).

      • ElleGee

        I agree, Kemist. ‘That’s so stupid it’s not even wrong’ sounds like a good t-shirt slogan!

    • Frodis73

      Do you have a link to where this convo is taking place? Also, we are very familiar with waterhorse; he’s an idiot.

      • ElleGee

        Hi Frodis73. Yes, its here:

        http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/jason-beghe-the-tv-tough-guy-who-took-on-scientology-20150330?page=4

        Its toward the end of the comments, maybe within the last 10 or so comments.

        Yes, waterhorse is cognitively challenged. I’ve had exchanges with him/her and had to take many deep breaths while typing a response.

        • Frodis73

          LOL. Been there, done that and I bet we have matching t-shirts. 😀

          • ElleGee

            Yes, I thought I saw you in a drive by over there! 😉 I think you had my back somewhere once when someone accused me of being a scibot, because I had recommended a list of ex-scion member books. Thank you.

    • Techie

      Niacin dilates your blood vessels in high doses, and this results in the niacin flush, redness of the skin and a warm sensation. In the 50s Hubbard tried niacin along with other vitamins in a concoction called “Dianazene”. Purely because the “flush” resembles a sunburn that disappears in a short time he assumed that the two phenomena were identical. This led to the supremely stupid idea that niacin could cure radiation burns, sunburn, even radiation sickness. It is not based on any research or tests. There is no scientific basis for it. Purely a speculation stated as fact.There was a lot of hysteria about the ongoing atomic bomb tests and the danger of a nuclear war in that time period. So Hubbard thought he could cash in on it by pushing his vitamin cocktails and spreading misinformation. It became part of the large blob of stupidity that he pushed as his “technology of the mind”. Fast forward to the late 70s, and the radiation curing Dianazene is just about forgotten. But he is putting together a “Purification Rundown” to rid the body of “drugs stored in the fatty tissues”. Never mind that no tests proving that this was even possible had been done, Hubbard resurrected his crazy ideas about niacin to make it part of the spurious “rundown”. Niacin up to 5,000 mg a day plus five hours a day in a sauna, plus exercise and other supplements. No tests, scientific basis, just on the word of Hubbard.

      • Techie

        A further note for those not familiar with the depth of woo-woo that is Hubbard – one of his earliest claims going back to the early 50s was that he had found a way to research past lives. Up to that point he carefully pretended to rely on tests, such as the mythical 230 cases in the book Dianetics. But after he fell in with the Bridey Murphy craze (which is based on implanting false memories) he began to claim that he found information in past life experiences. Somewhat like those who claim to communicate with space aliens or UFO civilizations, he claimed special knowledge. From then on it was no longer necessary to test procedures, conduct research, or do any actual science. It was just a matter of thinking up a new idea, claiming it came from an ancient space civilization, and inflicting it on his followers. In Scientology any claim by Hubbard, no matter how unlikely or strange, no matter how destructive, is cloaked in the mystical cloud of special knowledge and cannot be questioned. That is one of the dangers of the subject. We wait in vain for the contributions of other Scientologist who also claim to have remembered their past lives. Where are the cold fusion device startups, the faster-than-light drives, the flying cars, the cures for cancer that must be locked in their febrile minds? Of course many do not have the technical savvy to put what they remember into action, but a few do. Step up to the plate, Scientologists who remember how to explode planets with their minds. We could use some cheap clean energy. If you really remember where the gold of King Solomon is buried, how about helping a few archeologists out? Think of the statuses you could buy with that kind of bling! But no, the lie of special knowledge is just another brick in the mighty edifice known as the prison of belief.

      • ElleGee

        Interesting. Thank you Techie for that backstory. Now I understand how the radiation theory was intertwined with the vasodilation. It makes sense, since the development of Flubtard’s twisted dogma took place during the heyday of atomic testing. Charlatans and their snake oil.

        And yes, you are exactly correct in pointing out that ridding the body of toxins via sauna and niacin and exercise are just not supported by peer reviewed scientific data.

    • romanesco

      You just reminded me of something I came across recently:
      http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/xenu/scs-05.html

      • MaxSpaceman

        A quick read and a must read to better see the overarching control mechanism of the Cherch, assumed ignorance.

      • ElleGee

        Romanesco: Thank you for that link. Very interesting and enlightening. Just another piece of the puzzle in understanding something that makes no apparent sense.

    • Mymy88

      Ignorance? In his case, it’s more than ignorance, it’s sickness in the heart and head, in my opinion. Once Waterhorse was saying something positive about Bluck Ron Blubbard and I told him that anyone who can lock a young child up in dark damp chain locker for days and not let them out to use the bathroom or anything, is one sick MF (or something like that). And do you know what that sick F said back to me? He told me I was vindictive and unforgiving!

      • Frodis73

        I remember that. Vomit. The justifications these people make for lrh is sickening.

      • Todd Tomorrow
      • ElleGee

        Yeah, sometimes I don’t know why I try to understand or comprehend the albeit ‘failed logic’ that seems to be prevalent in scibot rhetoric.

        I just thought how (sad, sick, weird, lazy, you-fill-in-the-blank) in this age-of-information in which we live, that someone would publicly (via an alias, of course) state something as inane as capillary vasodilation (flushing) is a physiological sign of radiation being emitted from the body. Where’s the s-c-i-e-n-c-e?

        Its as ridiculous as bringing a snowball into a building and declaring that global climate change is a farce (Inhofe R-OK).

        • Mymy88

          That’s why I want to learn more about the mind control aspect of scientology. I want to be able to see the connections because I don’t understand it either. It reminds me of the snake handling that was / is still done in some faiths. Who in their right mind would do that either? But the odd thing is, sciens who are deep into the double think, do 100’s of more odd and dangerous things than the snake handlers.

          (footnote – I could be completely mistaken as I am only a wog observer)

          • Mockingbird

            Did you say mind control ? I might have an opinion on that…

            • Mymy88

              OMG whatever! Why are you so picky with terms? So what is your opinion about mind control? And remember, please do not use words with more than 6 letters or my ignorant self will not have clue one about what you are talking about.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Skip got me down that rabbit hole. He knows a great deal about it and some good books. About a week later Jon Attack, warned me not to mess with it. Put it on my back plate.

            • Mymy88

              Yeah, I don’t quite feel ready for it either. So it’s a rabbit hole too, huh? Well I should have known.

          • ElleGee

            From one wog to another (wink) I understand completely. I think we are in the same boat but in different areas. I’m either at the bar or observation deck (or the observation deck off the bar area). 😉

            • Mymy88

              LOL I’m still kind of going back and forth between the WTF lounge and the anger management course room.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Consider the source and please don’t let it bother you since that’s what they live for. I know you enough to know what a caring, wonderful, sweet person who cares about the less fortunate people and animals! Fuck them, how dare they say that to you. It’s because they are never happy except for photo ops. What a sad way to live.

        • Mymy88

          Aww Thanks Todd. You are sweet. I found it so outrageous a statement, I could barely take him seriously and still have trouble. But the more I hear others report back here about the things he says, the easier it becomes to believe he meant it. Who says shit like that???

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Koo koo, Koolaid drinkers. Thanks by the way for signing the petition!

    • StudentOfLife

      My OT5 friend in Clearwater, a celeb, is now on Day 81 today in the purif. He actually told me of his “wins” and how radiation just poured out of his head. The truth is a year and a half ago he nearly died due to low blood pressure and a heart condition I know went untreated only because of Scientology always sending him to chiropractors and his claiming he was in perfect health until he would later lie in a coma with a swelling brain. It was only when I was going through his emails (we were expecting him to die) that I discovered how the cult of Scientology was controlling every move he ever made and let me to figuring out where all the money went as I was shocked at his version of what he was doing with investment money versus seeing emails where the cult was sucking up every dollar he had. . He will be 76 very shortly. Day 81 on the purif (with a two or three week break for an minor operation).

      • ElleGee

        StudentofLife: OMG! I am so very sorry for you and your friend. You are a good friend to this person and I’m searching my tiny brain for something useful or inspiring to say to you but I got nothin’.

        This entire scenario you described should be criminal and illustrates how strong the stranglehold of scibot dogma is in some people. Chiropractors and Co$$ are a match made in hell.
        IMO The Bunker is a great place to come to for answers or just to commiserate.
        I wish you nothing but good luck and Peace on this journey you are on.

  • The only thing Hubbard regretted about Mary Sue going to prison – according to her best friend and my one-time girlfriend Nikki Merwin – was that she got strip-searched. That’s all he ever said to her about it, and Nikki drove around with him in the Hollywood Hills looking for a house where Hubbard could live. Then he finally decided, “Nah, too many $cientologists!” Speaking of fish rotting from the head down, you know what a Lafayette is? A dollarfish – and that’s all that asshole ever cared about. https://www.wordnik.com/words/dollarfish

  • Always Amazed

    I am so excited to be a Bunker Bug. My day was uneventful til Elle gave me a reason to smile.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Me too! Did you also hear that we Bunkerites are part of a real life, genuine coven? It must be true, elle said so.

  • coonellie

    Dumb question – I have something that Tony might be interested in but I’m paranoid that emails to his email might not be secure and it could be traced back to me. It’s not even anything important, but I have a family and have already spent the better part of my life fighting off the attacks and craziness of a sociopath, I don’t need more.

    • Vaquera

      I have emailed Tony on more than several occasions and have never had need to worry. Do what is comfortable for you, of course. Just sharing that I have felt quite safe.

      • coonellie

        Thanks Vaquera! Your word means a lot to me.

        • Vaquera

          Happy to lend a word.

    • aurora50

      Also, too…what Vaquera says below was true for me.
      (Although, I did end up having problems after engaging with someone else whom I thought was going to protect my anonymity…so be very very careful if it is a concern.)

      • coonellie

        Thanks Aurora50 🙂

        • aurora50

          🙂

    • Sarah James

      Understand about trust issues. It’s a dianetics/ scientology mind f*ck gift for the ages. Hope someone can calm your fears.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      You can always set up a fresh, “burner” email or a hushmail account just for this purpose.

      • coonellie

        Thanks! I finally decided to spring for a hushmail account but found out you can’t register for one without a cell phone :(.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Too bad. How about creating a new email account somewhere else with a fake name and information?

          • MaxSpaceman

            Like coonellie @ gmail or hotmail or yahoo .com

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Hushmail doesn’t record IP address.

            • MaxSpaceman

              yeah i know

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          Are you sure coonelle? I set up a free hushmail account and I don’t think I needed to submit anything else like name or phone number. It was a couple of years ago though. At Check Beatty’s suggestion because it is more private than others.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            I had one recently and have to give a credit card.

          • coonellie

            Hi Free :). Yes, they had something about new security measures in place so that a code is now required to activate. It’s only sent via a smart phone so I’m out. But, thanks very much for chiming in!

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              Thanks for letting me know that, coonellie.

  • gotababynamedspike

    O/T: I have kind of a strange question: Has anyone ever claimed to be the reincarnate of L. Con? Do you think the diminutive despot would try that as things continue to deteriorate on his end? Just curious.

    • kemist

      There is some dude on esmb who did claim it indirectly and pretended that he was getting on staff at some org to take back the whole shebang. Don’t know if he was serious or just trolling for attention.

      There’s also that weird guy, who calls himself captain Bill, who claims to be communicating with ole Ron straight from Target 2, and has got a bunch of OT levels after OT 8.

      • gotababynamedspike

        Thanks. Do you think anyone (still in obv) thinks either of them are legit?

        • kemist

          That’s highly unlikely. Captain Bill had left long ago to found his own splinter group (so is a squirrel to the still-ins) and has “dropped the body” anyway.

          That dude on esmb is just a nobody who decided to go to work in some obscure org.

          Miscavige himself pretty much barred the reincarnation route when Hubbard died, by saying he did not need a body for his “research” into further OT levels. He could still pretend Hubbard “came back”, I guess. But I don’t think he’s the kind of person who could pull it off successfully. He’s not the kind to share power, for instance, even if only symbolicaly.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Crept Capt. Bill dropped his meat body long ago and is chasing Ron Hubbard Sr. All around Target 2.

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        Capn’ Bill was a kinda out there as far as out there is.

    • Shanester

      Wasn’t Stan from South Park identified as the reincarnation of old Ronny boy? All kidding aside, in the infamous death announcement video from 1986, David Miscavige said LRH had dropped his body to go to Target Two to establish Scientology on that planet, so that when Scientology takes over Earth, we can fly on spaceships to meet the identical Scientology civilization on Target Two — and then Scientology will take over this sector of the universe.

      For some reason, that appealing story got put by the wayside (edit to add: sarcasm), and during the 90s it was changed to “LRH is coming back”. Which gives us those eery and bizarre empty offices in the ideal orgs. If LRH was supposed to come back, he would be in his mid to late 20s by now and should have started the process of re-establishing his control.

      Doesn’t look like that is happening.

      • gotababynamedspike

        Hmmmm. Interesting, thanks! (and those empty offices are super creepy, even just in photos!)

        • Cosmo Pidgeon

          They were there while he was alive…Just in case he dropped in. Then the tradition continued.

      • Anonymous

        The “going to Target II” thingy came a bit later than the Death Event, IIRC, at least for broad general public release. I don’t remember it being specially mentioned at the event (but I could be wrong.)

        At the time of the Death Event Pat and Annie Broeker were still Ron’s chosen successor’s and David Miscavige was a cipher to most non Sea Org Scientologists…and he was not particularly well known even in the Sea Org, except at the most senior levels.

        Agree that it would appear dead L. Ron is not coming back…and if he is…he is a very late boy.

        Lol.

        • Shanester

          Yes, you’re right. All DM said was that LRH dropped his body to do “advanced research”. Sea Org recruiters fed the Target Two story to me in 1986 and 1987.

          • Anonymous

            I think the culture of zero feedback being allowed in the church is one of the elements that allows the lying in the organization to be so brazen. If nobody ever challenges a single piece of BS, it becomes simple to issue serial BS…which is exactly what has happened.

            After a while the lies seems so normal to insiders and so bizarre to outsiders that it is almost impossible to “bridge” the divide.

            Lol.

        • Vaquera

          Salutations Anony! I haven’t said a direct “hi-how-ya-doin’?,” in a while. Hope all is well. 🙂

          • Anonymous

            Indeed…all is well. Thanks for the h-y-d…best to you also.

            • Vaquera

              Thanks. I’m moving mid-week and am in a tizsy trying to get organized. If you don’t see me around much starting Tuesday, I’ll be on the road from the gulf coast to the east coast.

            • Anonymous

              I’m sure The Bunker will keep your seat warm until you are able to return. Good luck with your move.

    • MaxSpaceman

      No– there is the photo of DM filming — while standing on a box — along with Ron Hubbard. Not possible to claim that for the asthmatic dwarf.

      • gotababynamedspike

        Well I thought he might claim to have “found” him and have a puppet to put in place. Him being a whack job and all…:)

        • MaxSpaceman

          Uh huh 🙂

          No scilon would buy it. You’re more likely to personally witness Ron Hubbard’s return from Target 2.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        His Mom said that he never had an asthmatic issue. He was just a snotty little shit. He is a smoker and that is a killer to asthmatic people. Although it doesn’t stop a girl I know that uses an inhaler after every Malboro. She works near the newstand next to the post office.

        • MaxSpaceman

          way too much evidence about the asthma. he apparently had a very bad case and still does

    • Robert Hammond

      I actually saw a video on YouTube not too long ago with some young British kid claiming to be L Ron reincarnated but I can’t find it again. It was very creepy.

      • gotababynamedspike

        Yikes! I can imagine the creepiness!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Love to see that.

        • Robert Hammond

          I can’t seem to find it anywhere. It was very strange. This kid with a British accent talking like he was actually Hubbard’s reincarnation. I know it was on YouTube a few months ago, but don’t remember how I found the link.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Just on South Park.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        ? Not on comcast.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I mean in the old South Park episode where the scabbiest concluded that the kid Stan is a reincarnation of LRH…

          • Todd Tomorrow

            The second I went down and turned on Comedy Central. My nephew tried another but neither was on?

  • Todd Tomorrow
    • Missionary Kid

      More cops than protestors.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Before they arrived I saw one protester hit.

        • Missionary Kid

          On Hollywood Blvd., where wogs far outnumber the $cientologists, the $cientologists disappear when signs like this show up.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            At the start of this the clams scattered like cock roaches.

            • Missionary Kid

              They must have gone back for reinforcements.

              OSA was on the phone as usual.

              Who was the guy in the blue shirt, talking to the cops?

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Not sure, i’ll check.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      This has to be old, right? The kinky-haired, wild-eyed female shouters bear a striking resemblance to some of the actors in the priceless SNL Neurotology video. Regardless, HOW CAN THEY NOT SEE how utterly bizarre and nasty they are coming across? How can they not see how terribly this reflects on their so-called “church”?

    • PerpetualOutflow

      I have another question. How can the protestors in videos like this resist turning the tables on these automatons? Why do they not turn, look them in the eyes and ask: “Where is Shelley? Where is Heber? Are you okay with what happened to Lisa McPherson? Do you think it’s okay to rat out your friends and family in KRs? Are you proud of the RPF? Do you think it’s okay for sea org members to mop the bathroom floor with their tongues? Why does your leader beat up and imprison everyone around him? How many Scientologists have been made to abort their babies? How many members has your religion bankrupted? Are you happy about repeating the levels and being forced to buy expensive books you’ve already purchased before? Do you think it’s okay to spy on people who leave the church? What are you afraid of? Do you know how stupid it sounds to keep asking protestors about their “crimes.” You sound like a moron. Is it right to imprison your executives? Why do you think so many higher level scientologists have been declared?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        They are bull baiting you and trying to get you to hit them or anger you. Armstrong, Menton and Bunker are experts at just ignoring them. Funny, if you notice it’s the clams blood pressure soaring. Shelly and Heber were still around. They were trying to get justice for Lisa!

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Why is it better to ignore them than to bull bait them right back?

      • Robert Hammond

        Those sound like all the right questions to ask. I would also ask, “If Scientology and Narconon tech works so well what happened to Lisa McPherson, Kyle Brennan, and Johnny Lewis?”

        And, “What do you think about what happened to Hubbard’s 3 wives and his children?”

        I don’t do protests like that, but I’ve posted those questions on Twitter and other online forums.

  • Vaquera

    Totally O/T and of no particular importance: Wedding tonight at the Celebrity Centre, Jackson Rogers to ??? Murphy. I believe she is the third of 5 Murphy sisters. Anyone know them? Anyone, anyone? —
    https://instagram.com/p/3CzWn2CLmj/ – Wedding Purif!!
    https://instagram.com/p/3DBzWJJzDS/
    https://instagram.com/p/3DChu0CLhT/

    • aquaclara

      All those guts sitting in a sauna. How creepy.

      Scientology weddings are very odd, aren’t they?

      • Vaquera

        I’m still on the lookout for a Scio wedding photo that includes a cat. Odd, indeed!

        • madame duran

          There’s a cat in Arizona by the name of “Phoenix” that’s part of the org staff. It could probably raise some ideal org funds by renting itself out for Scientology weddings.

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        Well…. yes. Most weddings are and include terrible photos orchestrated by the photographer to prove that he is worth what you paid him. My wedding was odd and I still love this woman after 30+ years.

    • Frodis73

      The pic in the sauna is just creepy. Only in sci world would that seem cool.
      eta-none of them look happy either…maybe they are having a flashback.

      • Vaquera

        The photo includes the hashtag #yeswereinasauna

    • SP Wogsy

      Beautiful bride!

      I don’t think there is any meaning behind the sauna pic. Seems like they are just a bunch of young guy acting silly.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Wogsy, they use their mouth on each other in there before the wedding. It’s sacred $cion wedding tech. On the Apollo they did it in the engine room. They don’t mention this kind of bonding to brides!

        • SP Wogsy

          Overkill Todd just overkill.

          • jeff

            I disagree.

            • SP Wogsy

              Well we can agree to disagree with the exception of the Warriors for now

    • Observer

      A groomsmen photo in the sauna? Gah.

      • Vaquera

        Oh Obs, please shoop some dialogue bubbles!

        • jeff

          “This was John Travolta’s idea, wasn’t it?”

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Not the clothing on for the picture. They had to put them back on for the shot!

    • beauty for ashes

      Ah wedding memories (F5)

  • Vaquera

    5 minutes ago — New clears in Portland;
    https://instagram.com/p/3DKW8Iv6_d/

    • Frodis73

      Whoo hoo!! A whole 8 of them. This place will be sane in just another few years. {eye roll}

    • B4you

      DM´s Body Thetan´s ? All exterior in there! Knock Knock!

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      Wow, perfect recall, vision and free from illness that mere humans deal with. Plus the certainty that you are right.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Yeah, but what color is my tie? Fail! My eyes? Fail! Now don’t kill yourself it must your thetans mucking up. You just need 8 hours in the sauna!

  • Vaquera

    Please exclusive my prolific postings this evening. Posted 25 minutes ago:

    “Rosemary Didear [headmistress of the Delphian School Oregon] getting the Annual Humanitarian of the Year Award from the Church of Scientology Portland!”
    https://instagram.com/p/3DL4LcP6yw/

    • MaxSpaceman

      ‘Exclusive’ must be auto corrected from ‘excuse.’

      Please, no need to go there. You’re posting stuff most viewers (thousands daily) won’t ever see. It’s a service. It’s important. It’s helpful. Continue. 🙂

      • Jimmy3

        This is the first and only time I will ever agree with MaxSpaceman.

        • Vaquera

          Duly noted and appreciated.

          • Jimmy3

            I’m just kidding. Max knows I love him.
            Unless he didn’t get my card…. Shit

      • Vaquera

        Thx Max. It’s rare that I donate deep observations to the conversation, but I do enjoy culling and sharing the random photo and twitter offerings.

    • Shanester

      Rosemary’s retiring from her Headmistress position at Delphi, which is the reason for the award. Half of Portland Org’s public comes from Delphi. As Headmistress, Rosemary was paid enough money to cover her advanced Scientology auditing and to donate significant money to the Org’s ideal campaign. Why else would she be a humanitarian?

      Rank and file Delphi staff members — excuse me, “faculty” — are paid hardly anything. Delphi is truly a Scientology organization run with Hubbard’s admin tech.

      • Vaquera

        Thanks for the backstory, Shanester. I love finding the photos and then depend on those of you more knowledgable to fill in with the 411.

    • Lady Squash

      I used to know Rosemary back in the day. Back when she and Didjear, her husband, were selling office supplies over the phone; back before she and her husband moved to Oregon and began their careers at Delphi. She was a lovely person and so was her husband. I’m just saying…

  • Gerry Armstrong

    Jon says: “In 1986, I spent eleven hours interviewing Brian Rubinek. He was Michael Meisner’s superior in the US Branch One, and claimed to have instigated the Washington break-ins that led to FBI raids, in 1977. Rubinek had been Hubbard’s personal security man, aboard the Apollo – the only GO member, except for Mary Sue who was allowed on board.”

    Rubinek (could be Roubinek) was not the only GO staffer allowed on board the Apollo. If Mary Sue Hubbard is considered in the GO (she was the Controller, and senior to the Guardian) then there were at least these GO personnel during my time on board that I can immediately recall:

    Mary Sue Hubbard – Controller or Commodore Staff Guardian (C)
    Nikki Merwin – Controller Communicator (CC)
    Fred Hare – Controller Assistant for Snow White (CASW)
    Anne Ursprung/Burgess/Mulligan – Controller Assistant for Legal (CAL)
    Jimmy Mulligan – Controller Assistant for Intelligence (CAI)
    Bill Fosdick – Assistant Guardian Flag (AG Flag)
    Brian Rubinek/Roubinek – Assistant Guardian for Intelligence (AGI Flag)

    There were other staff in the GO on board whose names I do not recall.

    Also, the Guardian Jane Kember definitely came on board for briefings or for some other reasons, and I believe also other GO WW execs.

    I was the intelligence officer on the “Apollo” during the time that AGI Flag Rubinek/Roubinek was on board. We worked very closely, which was in the Caribbean in 1974/75. Here’s a pic of Rubinek/Roubinek at my wedding on board: http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/historical/apollo-wedding23.html

    People who look into these matters will find where Jeffrey Augustine spread the black PR a while ago that I was embellishing my resume by saying that I had been the intelligence officer and the legal officer on the “Apollo.” He supported this with an assertion that Mike Rinder and Karen de la Carriere had specifically said that there were no such posts on the ship. When challenged about what Rinder and de la Carriere had said, Augustine refused to correct his smear, but stated as his conclusion “that [I have] lied about [my] Scientology resume and legal case.”

    I assure everyone that I was the intelligence officer, and the legal officer, on board the “Apollo,” that I worked with the AGI Flag Brian Rubinek/Roubinek, and that there were at various times several GO folks on board in addition to him and Mrs. Hubbard.

    • Jimmy3

      You and Jeffrey Augustine could work that out, right? Why don’t you talk about it with him rather than bashing him here?

      • SP Wogsy

        This is the first and only time I will ever agree with Jimmy3.

        • Jimmy3

          I spit hot fire directly into your brain.

          • SP Wogsy

            …except for the love of sour candy but that is it…F5

            • Mymy88

              !!

      • Libertylover

        He said that JA refused to correct the mistake, so it sounds like he did talk to him. Gerry has been the number one target for fair game in the past and has been through a lot and the target of unbelievable persecution. I admire him for speaking out (and not giving up) just as I admire Paulette Cooper.
        People have been silenced and there are so many layers to this story, The people involved are not young and I think he is setting it straight as he sees it. Scientology has done it’s best to silence him, and he got himself jammed up because he wanted to help others, and was manipulated. I welcome open debate and they are all big boys. The truth is the truth and is all that will be left in the end if everyone gets to debate and the many layers of this onion are peeled.

        I really liked his criticism of Rathbun’s first book and his willingness to get down and cut to the heart of it. Seems like he influenced that debate a lot.
        SP’s are anyone who challenges Scientology.

    • Mockingbird

      I have found Gerry Armstrong’s efforts to be herioc and show no hint of disreputable conduct, sir .I want to publicly state that his release of the affirmations – at great personal risk- truly paved the way for much of the success in my own attempts to untangle the web of lies Ron Hubbard used.

      For me the affirmations have been central to my efforts as a Rosetta Stone for Hubbard’s true self and Scientology itself as well . With these , Jon Atack’s work and Arnie Lerma ( Lermanet.com)’s work together I was able to have an excellent starting point to explore Scientology . Without the heroic and dedicated efforts of these men , and Tony Ortega in providing the Bunker I may have never escaped the cult .

      I find it disturbing that I occasionally hear about black PR campaigns being continued even by critics and exes who have no current membership openly in the cult .Some of Gerry Armstrong’s critics have bitterly parted ways with the main cult but still try to smear him . I have written before about how Hubbard influenced his worshippers to attack critics and never address criticism . In debate and science this is poor reason and a form of thought stopping. It is known by several names – the genetic fallacy , ad hominem and many others .

      Gerry Armstrong should have his claims examined on their own merits NOT based on if someone else insults him .

      That is a Scientology tactic that a high school debate or critical thinking student should see right through .

      I deeply admire Gerry Armstrong and have found none of his claims to be false . Several are quite important to my own study of Scientology and I have put more than a slight effort into examining them .

      But my admiration and endorsement should not sway others , neither should any smears by others .Reason should reign supreme. The opposite of Scientology .

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Gerry, got a vid of you being bull baited by Mary, below. I love the smile on your face!

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Gerry,

      Wasn’t AG Finance Wendell Reynolds also on the ship? And his wife, Ellen Reynolds, I thought Ellen used to be in GO Finance also.

      When I joined Flag, Dec 1975, at Clearwater, there were other Flag GO people, that french guy with red hair and red goatee, from one of the French African islands off Africa.

      Hey Gerry, please take a look at page 349 of “The Unbreakable Miss Lovely” where Tony says Flynn thought:

      “…Flynn, in other words, was extoring the churh thorugh his knowledge of what was really going on–that Hubbard had actually ceded control.”

      Read the page before also, for context.

      This strikes me impossible that anyone at the Int Base, and I was there a year after you blew, I got there Jul 1983, but LRH was still coming out with traffic, advices, and even one that came to me relating to LRH orders to revise both the Refund/repayment Routing Form and add the “Chaplain” to the routing form.

      LRH had weekly stats traffic advices as last as a month or so even after you blew in 1982.

      LRH ordered amongst his 1982 advices the “86-3” strat idea, and untold numbers of ex CMO Int execs will verify that the 86-3 strat was AFTER 1979.

      So Tony saying Flynn was somehow really thinking that Hubbard had really ceded control by 1979, is just wrong on Flynn’s part.

      LRH still wrote all the 1982 advices, he wrote advices into 1984, I know, I read and executed Hubbard’s 1984 “routing form” advices for the routing forms his advices related to.

      I know firsthand that Flynn was mistaken that Hubbard was NOT still in ultimate control.

      He stopped the weekly stats analysis, and only sporadically did them, but traffic still came down on a variety of things.

      He approved of the 1984 “Routing Forms, How to Write One” policy, all based on the mostly 1982 routing forms traffic that I executed on the 1983-1984 routing forms main missions that Paul Grady ran me and Carol Titus and others on.

      Page 349 Tony in the book says Paulette and Flynn may have been arguing over Flynn’s saying that Flynn was taking advantage of suing Hubbad as the central person to sue, even when Flynn “knew” that Hubbard had ceded control as of 1979.

      I think both Flynn and Paulette were mistaken.

      It’s clear if researchers understand WHAT control Hubbard’s advices traffic meant to “us” then it’s clear he’s still running things JUST LIKE the Judge who ruled favorably for your case said. That Judge was absolutely spot on, saying Hubbard was still running things.

      Absolutely that is clear, in the ASI advices, in the 1982 advices too.

      Even in the Ron’s Journal 38, the introduciton of INCOMM, there’s also the INCOMM advices from LRH that said exactly how MONEY was NOT to be any barrier to funding the building up of INCOMM!!

      No, the evidence of LRH’s 1982 advices orders is clear that Hubbard’s orders were absolutely still telling the movement what to do.

      LRH’s traffic also the org board mission lady, you may not have seen her, but Kellerhas, forget her first name, married first to Paul Kellerhas then she remarried, forget her next last name, she was operating on LRH’s org board advices of that time, in 1982.

      And Jane True, of the LRH Comm network, Jane was in 1983 operating on all of his final LRH Comm network orders.

      There is just too many final orders from Hubbard in 1982 for Flynn or Paulette to be arguing that Hubbard was NOT still in control. Hubbard had set the mold, and he was doing final orders tweaking

      In fact Hubbard’s orders to ASI to put the AVC Unit in ASI is a blatant goof legally on his part, and AVC then floated back and forth ever after from RTC to CMO Int, but Hubbard said AVC should have gone to ASI he said.

      another key key order from Hubbard in 1982 re top management structuring, although it was a bad order that hasn’t been followed, and AVC rightfully is not in ASI today. But another of the goofy ASI bad advices from Hubbard relates to ASI PR man Hugh Wilhere being the ultimate boss over the CSI LRH PPRO ,another Hubbard mistake, but shows Hubbard’s wrong illegal ordering of ASI to be in any way superior or have power of command over any CSI or lower “church” corporation is legally wrong.

      Chuck .

      • Gerry Armstrong

        Chuck:

        Wendell and Ellen Reynolds were Sea Org crew on the “Apollo” who, I believe, were assigned to the “Audit Project,” which was for the GO who were dealing with the IRS. I don’t know if they were officially GO staff.

        Philip Park, who was from Mauritius, had been the legal officer in the Port Captain’s Office on the “Apollo” during some at least of the period when I was the intelligence officer. I believe he
        was assigned to the GO when the crew came ashore in Florida in 1975.

        When we came ashore, I was posted in the GO Intelligence Bureau in the office we had in Daytona Beach. I think a number of Flagship crew were assigned to man the GO unit that was being rapidly formed in Clearwater.

        I don’t recall Fred Hare ever being CS-G or holding the CS-G post, although he might have filled in for Mary Sue temporarily at some point. Or there could be some other explanation. He was Controller Assistant for Snow White for the final two years aboard the ship.

        I have read The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, and did note how Paulette’s turning on Flynn was treated. Last year, I had posted a letter to her about the March 4, 1985 affidavit she had signed for the Scientologists. http://gerryarmstrong.ca/archives/1047

        I just posted a comment about the part in UML where I’m mentioned:
        http://gerryarmstrong.ca/archives/1480

        I’ve been considering a further comment about the affidavit and how the Scientologists used it. I will simply say now that Mike Flynn did not tell Paulette Cooper what she swore to about Hubbard severing his ties with the Scientology organization in 1979 and not controlling it since. Those were lies that the Scientologists got her to swear to for the purpose of attacking Flynn. The affidavit has been used for numerous improper purposes, and prejudiced many people.

        Looked at coldly, the Scientologists did with Paulette what they did with Ala Fadili al Tamimi: Pay for a sworn statement that falsely accuses Flynn of criminal activity, 1. Masterminding a
        two million dollar forgery operation; 2. Extortion. The Scientologists framed him. And importantly, both of these frameups were planned and executed by the Miscavige-Rathbun regime, years after the MarySue-Kember regime that framed Paulette Cooper had been deposed and framing people supposedly discontinued.

        The Scientologists’ unholy sacrament of getting their victims to sign false statements deserves thorough exposure and the strongest corrective measures.

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          Gerry,

          You are so spot on, thankyou eternally for your dissecting so far beyond anyone’s gone. Hubbard just has so snarled up and gotten such devious group lying institutionalized, it takes years to unravel, this book is a story that at least outside intelligent journalists themselves have pretty much fully thankfully taken the time to unravel, it’s an amazing book. (Your full story, I can appreciate now more, and see the massively good conclusion your Judge found and stated in your favor, is doubly triply accurate summation of Hubbard and Scientology the leftover organization written unfortunate sociological continuance of L. Ron Hubbard the world will have to grapple with today, now.)

          You said:

          “Those were lies that the Scientologists got her to swear to for the purpose of attacking Flynn. The affidavit has been used for numerous improper purposes, and prejudiced many people.”

          I happened to re-read your 2011 postings again, the other day, so amazing you were a couple years, and your case is decades ahead, with society’s smart judges and citizens concluding so correctly, about Scientology which is Hubbard’s mind which is society’s continuing engram on the world.

          here’s a joke, they used to call the 1981 FEBC program a “this lifetime engram” on the students, and that stain bugged me, I was guilty of participating and helping brainwash those hundreds of OEC/FEBC staff traineees, I have to realize the negativity of that.

          Inside, LOL, the bigger joke that Hubbard’s whole Scientology is a fake religion devious lying institutionalized hierarchical malevolent body of willing dupes perpetrating “Knowledge Reports” (snitching and the “black eye” giving punishment) and the Office of Special Affairs PI befriending spying scriptures on the world.

          The Australians of the 1960s, the English of the 1960s, it takes so long to dissect the story.

          Thankyou for so going the distance Gerry! .

    • I am friends with both Karen and Jeff, but I will vouch that you were Legal Officer aboard the Apollo in 1975, at least you made postings as such in the Orders of the Day. You might well have been also designated “intel”, but I do not remember that so clearly. I do remember “Legal” officer, and the other Guardian’s Office person Chuck Beatty refers to is Phillip Park although I am not sure Phillip was a G.O. person at that time. He worked in the Port Captain’s Office and I believe his status shifted to G.O. in Clearwater. On the Apollo, we surrendered our passports to the Port Captain’s Office for safekeeping; but Phillip gave me back mine in Clearwater because they had no need/desire nor legal justification to keep them. And you are right, there were indeed plenty of G.O. people aboard in the last days of the Apollo. It would be nice some day if we could have FULL disclosure of the G.O. documents that Jon Atack either refers to or alludes to as well as the documents that the G.O. acquired from the Government….all put on a blog for everyone to see, and without editorializations.

    • flexible

      OMG Jerry.. I went through all the wedding photos.. talk about bringing back memories. Why I even saw my Ex in one of them. Thanks for sharing. Was a lifetime ago . Nice to see pics of Alan RIP, and do you know what happened to T’shura? And Rich Cohen. Per Luten’s ex wife, who is still very much in..he has/had gotten back heavily into the hard drugs. But who knows if that is true or not. She is a dedicated innie and of course is now disconnected from me. And of course Kima is gone. A VERY young Mark Yager there, for all of you who saw him in the LAX video…he was just a young teen on board.

  • Frodis73

    Off to bed but read something on Milestone 2 that made me lmao and thought the irony would make you guys laugh too…or want to punch a wall…or perhaps both.
    Somebody posted a link to the John Lennon video ‘Imagine’ and beneath it wrote: “Beautiful Chris. This song could be the anthem for scientologists”.
    Bwaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! Xenu, help me! Have they even listened to the lyrics to that song? This one will stick with me for awhile. I’d love to sit down and word clear the song with all of the idjits at milestone 2. Plus I’m sure John Lennon just rolled over in his grave in disgust.
    G’night all and I hope it made you laugh at least.

    • ElleGee

      Gnight F73. I’m off as well. See you all in the A.M.

      Remember the Doxidan saying? Here it goes:

      Take a Doxidan in the PM, for a BM, in the AM.

    • jeff

      Perhaps he would have rolled over, were he in a grave, but he was cremated

      • Frodis73

        You are right, I forgot. It’s more of a figure of speech anyway. At any rate, he’d be annoyed.

        • jeff

          Actually, it reminded me of one of my favorite jokes: Do you think Jesus would have rolled over in his grave when George W Bush declared him to be his favorite philosopher if he had’t already risen from it?

          • Frodis73

            Lol, good one!

  • Robert Hammond

    O/T. Just saw this old Scientology ad about pet reincarnation service. Thought you might get a kick out if it if you’ve never seen it before. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aRFfWSGQEk

  • OT– Saturday night challenge: Find a crazier truther/conspiracy theory vid than this XD

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwlupkqaV8E

    • Jimmy3

      NONE OF THIS IS TRUE

      ..Or is it….?

      • He wrote it on a paper, Jimmy — that makes it true!

        • Robert Hammond

          The meaning of life = 42. Fact!

          … or is it?

          • 47

            • beauty for ashes

              Any more chapters lately?

            • Underway, but my workload and vacation have conspired to make it slow going.

            • beauty for ashes

              If you see me on the boards and you add a new chapter let me know! I have one image stuck in my head and that’s the Quentin siloutte getting on the plane. if I get around to actuallu doing it I will show it to you 🙂 I’m a slow worker too!

            • beauty for ashes

              Bookmarking this spot!

          • romanesco

            Certainly is. What was the question?
            https://youtu.be/aboZctrHfK8

      • jeff

        No. TCs first movie was Endless Love.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I guess it was well known at the time he was having an affair w/ the director of, Endless love.

          • jeff

            Franco Zefferelli? I don’t think so.

    • Libertylover

      What a fucking idiot. You tube is full of this crap. I used to watch them for entertainment but lately they just seem like more dross and bore me to tears. David Icke, Alex Jones and their ilk, just lead people down dead ends and are a distraction not worth your time. Conspiracies happen but most of the theories are just crap. Sad when the real stuff that’s out there doesn’t seem to interest people so much.
      Critical thinking should be taught to kids in school, or do they want them just dumb, but that’s probably a conspiracy theory right there, if I say “they.”

      • Frodis73

        Yes, this! This is why this stuff really bothers me. People are distracted by this BS and ignore the very real danger and evil that is being done around the world.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Alex Jones has some points people ignore.

          • Frodis73

            Such as? Can you give some examples? I have not read or listened to him in years because I found nothing but cray cray. I feel he is just another con man making money off of ppl like Hubbard by exploiting their fears.

          • Libertylover

            Alex Jones is a FRAUD, he isn’t worth your time. His stuff is sometimes easily checked out as he is saying and is false. He does no real research or critical thinking just going for the sensationalism. He contradicts himself or comes out with revelations that just fizzle away or you never hear about again and he never speaks of again.
            The only time I liked anything Jones did was when he confronted the rich dude about Bohemian Grove and he got mad at him, made me go hmm! Even if he gets some things right, his false facts and lies, make him at best an unreliable source.
            Joe Rogan is thought to be a kook, but if you actually listen to his shows he has evolved and debunked a lot of stuff he once promoted. He had Louis Theroux a while back, great interview! Louis raised eyebrows a few times but I think he did it cos he loved News Radio in the day.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Linktv, is awesome. You just have to look around.

    • Frodis73

      Sweet Xenu! That will be a hard one to beat Nat. This guys has way too much time, money and crazy on his hands. smh I weep for these folks.

    • Shanester

      I made 3 minutes and 57 seconds into that video. Then my brain exploded. What a whack job. Like that Jim Carrey numerology movie I didn’t see. There’s a psycho(logical) condition for seeing patterns or numbers everywhere.

      Well, Nat, I do believe you win the “bring on the cray cray” award tonight!
      http://matchx.999s.info/img/top1crazy.png

      • Pierrot

        I only managed 1minute 30.

        • Sidney18511

          30 seconds for me.

          • Graham

            25 seconds for me. What a tosser.

            • ReallyMGM

              I was with him for a few minutes…until he pulled out the crumpled, well-worn piece of notebook paper with all the scribbles about names, counting and whatever else he was delusional about. Click…Off!

    • Draco

      Made it to 60 seconds…

    • kemist

      Well, there is that guy who thinks the video for Gangnam Style is the representation of the apocalypse…

      • kemist

        Here he is. Watch this and weep :

        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WVTK3cmGQuU

        • Sergeant Pepper

          Dammit, I was told there would be NO MATH IN THE APOCALYPSE!!!

        • Frodis73

          Holy fuck. How do these people function in the world? smh

        • Lee Ann Smith-Trafzer

          The Colbert Report
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        • Lee Ann Smith-Trafzer

          Well, I’m not so good with putting in the video links. But Colbert did a great number on this guy and his belief that the Denver International Airport is filled with phallic symbols and is part of a grand conspiracy.

          • AintMizBahavin

            have you ever heard of Phil Schneider? if not i urge you to research him and find out the truth. he helped design and build the denver airport

            heres one video but there many others especially of him speaking at colleges etc

            http://documentaryheaven.com/the-true-story-of-phil-schneider/

            again im not here to debate what is or isnt truth. the elites work on spreading their lies mixed with truth to demonize certain factions the same as scientology. only one is truth and the other is lies to keep the people blinded

        • Skabetti

          I look into his eyes and think…whooooooooooooo.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+** RED X ** +–+ RED X *** Sunday, 24 May 2015
    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,
    At long last we had some results from the complaints in Boston, 38 ads were removed which still leaves us with 43 blatant spams, why not all, I ask with tears in my eyes? Thanks to the complainants, keep on the pressure! San Antonio managed to scrape in.

    Boston Complaint : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2536240
    RedX tips (including how to complaint to CL) : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2533632
    Flag co$ lies : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    Do check PickAnotherId’s tips about the ftc: https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/guidance/advertising-faqs-guide-small-business
    And complaints to FTC (I did not find a suitable category ie: misleading ads on the internet, Narconon claims of 75%+ success comes to mind): https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/#crnt&panel1-1
    F5… RED X Cheerleaders by Hamtaro flickred by AegerPrimo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14123190340/in/album-72157642802079293/

  • ReallyMGM

    For the record, I still love YouTube. 1) I love old, bootlegs of bands I loved; 2) likewise,; 2) videos of obscure older musicians; 3) live performances of musicians at festivals; 4) some great videos featuring 70s bands. I always check links out. Thank you!

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Ok, here’s one. It’s the track from my second most favorite scene from The Full Monty (boys are taking a rehearsal break and bonding playing football (soccer)). The original 70s version is on yt too.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ux07mWAUi0

    • Skabetti

      Good find!

  • Unex Skcus

    OT: but funny: Russell Brand Is Hurt Tom Cruise Didn’t Want Him For Scientology
    If there’s a cult that don’t want me, I want to know why!
    https://youtu.be/w-pFDOjc3EI

  • Sherman Beyle
  • Happy Birthday Tony ! Sorry I’, late with that ! Hope you had a wonderful one.