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Scientology spy caught trying to interview Paul Haggis as fake ‘Time’ magazine reporter

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On April 7, film director and screenwriter Paul Haggis received an email asking for a Time magazine interview. Haggis tells us the request seemed reasonable. The writer, Mark Webber, said he was talking to a number of directors for an article about the “golden age of film.” Webber also mentioned Crash, the Oscar-winning Haggis film that is coming up on its 10th year anniversary since it was released in theaters on May 6, 2005.

Haggis forwarded Webber’s email to his staff, asking them to set up a time for a phone interview. But once they got a look at it, they thought the request seemed a little off. They decided to do a little checking before scheduling the call for Haggis.

One of the director’s representatives noticed that “Mark Webber” not only didn’t appear to have any Time clips, he didn’t seem to have any national arts bylines of any kind. A message was sent to Time arts editor Sam Lansky, who said that he didn’t know anyone named Mark Webber, and he hadn’t assigned an interview of Haggis.

The Haggis team then took apart Webber’s email, digging into its hidden data, and soon were able to figure out where it had been sent from.

They found that the email had begun its journey from a computer located in Los Angeles at 5165 Fountain Avenue in a structure known as the Anthony Building — a building that the Church of Scientology owns. The church uses the Anthony for “berthing,” the housing of its Sea Org workers, who have signed billion-year contracts and have promised to do virtually anything asked of them, lifetime after lifetime. And “Webber’s” Yahoo email account had been created just a few days earlier, on April 1.

 
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After his staff gave him that information, Haggis then let us know that it appeared he’d been the target of a Scientology spying operation.

Haggis emailed Webber and asked for a phone number and got no reply. We sent a request for comment to Karin Pouw, the international spokeswoman for the church, but she hasn’t responded. We also emailed “Webber,” asking to talk to him about his interview request. Again, nothing.

We asked Haggis what he thought about the clumsy effort to get him into a conversation. And he sent us this…

Since “Mark Webber,” who identified himself as a reporter for Time magazine and quickly disappeared after my representatives asked which editor at Time assigned him to this story, we can now only make an informed guess as to why Scientology would want to “interview” me under this false pretext.

Was it bait and switch? Get me to agree to the interview about my work and then ask if it could be in person? This often happens in our business — a phone interview turns into an in-person interview as it is more convenient. I agreed to be interviewed by Dan Rather recently; his producer arranged for a location a few blocks from me; I walked there and was interviewed. But in that case, Dan Rather was really Dan Rather.

Haggis told us that Scientologists he knows have all been lured to an office under false pretenses at one point or another and then locked in a small room and interrogated or “sec checked.” Scientology policy dictates that if the person being questioned decides he or she has had enough and wants to leave, the “ethics officer” is to stop them physically — and if they can’t, Haggis tells us, they are to call “HCO bring order!” and that will quickly bring enough help to stop the unhappy soul from making it out of the building. Haggis continued…

The last time this happened to me was when I was told (only after I arrived) that I had offended Tom Cruise by telling a joke to Steven Spielberg — and it was Greg Wilhere, second in charge of the church, who had me in that small room, with his back to the door, and wouldn’t let me leave until I wrote a suitably contrite letter to Tom. And Tommy Davis and staff were outside waiting. After that incident I never again agreed to an interview — unless they came to me, which they did in 2009. Nine senior executives showed up to try and persuade me to tear up my letter of resignation and leave quietly, or face the consequences.

So given that background, what could they gain by “interviewing me” under this pretense?

Several years ago I was contacted by Scientology’s Freedom magazine. They were enraged by the New Yorker article and demanded that I agree to be interviewed by them. I asked them to send me their questions; they did. While some of the questions were quite ludicrous, I answered them all — and said I would gladly return it to them. I only had one condition, they had to publish the interview unedited. They would not agree to that, so it ended there.

I stipulated this because Scientology is infamous for taking and using quotes out of context — as you have no doubt seen in all the of the various attack pieces they have produced on everyone involved with Going Clear. They even do this with photographs, wildly doctoring them to change the intent or circumstances. By way of example, they constantly use a photo of me in an orange prison jump suit, and refer to me as the “hypocrite of Hollywood.”

 
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They fail to mention that this is extracted from a photograph taken by Amnesty International, in which actors Mark Ruffalo, Martin Sheen, and I were asked to don the suits in order to protest endless incarceration without due process of law at Guantanamo. Mark and Martin mysteriously disappeared from the photo — I’m sure an unintended oversight by Mr. Miscavige — and the impression given is that, at one time or another, I was a long-time guest of the federal prison system.

So is that what this was? An attempt to press me for some “quote” that they could twist to fit the needs of their prestigious magazine? Or just general fishing. I don’t honestly know what they thought they could gain. But try they did.

Mike Rinder, the former Scientology spokesman who was also featured in Going Clear, ran the Office of Special Affairs, Scientology’s intelligence wing, and has a deep understanding of its tactics. We asked him what might be the purpose of having an OSA operative pretend to be a reporter.

“It’s an effort to get information,” he says. “Information about what he may be working on, who he may be working with, anything Scientology-related.”

Rinder says Scientology for years had a reporter at Vanity Fair who fed the church information for pay, but then former church official Mark “Marty” Rathbun outed that arrangement at his blog in 2011.

“They apparently have no resources in the media now to do this,” Rinder says.

 
UPDATE: Some readers are asking about the joke Haggis refers to — it’s spelled out in Lawrence Wright’s book, Going Clear

While he was still editing Crash, Haggis began writing another movie for Eastwood, Flags of Our Fathers. They went to visit the producer of that project, Steven Spielberg, on the set of War of the Worlds, which he was shooting with Tom Cruise. Spielberg had called Haggis to talk over an idea for another script. Haggis had met Cruise on a couple of occasions, once at a fund-raiser and again at the Celebrity Centre. As the most popular and sought-after leading man in Hollywood, Cruise was given perks that few other stars could match. He had asked Tommy Davis, now his full-time Scientology handler, to set up a tent on the set of War of the Worlds in order to distribute church materials to the crew and provide Scientology assists. The precedent alarmed many in Hollywood, and Spielberg was widely criticized for letting it happen. “It’s really remarkable to me,” Spielberg observed, as he and Haggis walked to his trailer. “I’ve met all these Scientologists, and they seem like the nicest people.”

“Yeah, we keep all the evil ones in the closet, “Haggis replied. A couple of days later, Tommy Davis called Haggis at home and told him someone from senior management needed to see him urgently…”It was a joke,” Haggis protested.

 
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Marty_Rathbun_DPScientology really, really doesn’t like Marty Rathbun’s new TV show

Last night, our commenters live-blogged the new Dangerous Persuasions episode at the ID Network to take on Scientology. Previously, the crime-centric series had dramatized the experiences of Nancy Many as she narrated her tale. Last night, it was former church executive Mark “Marty” Rathbun describing his harrowing adventures in the Sea Organization, his imprisonment in “The Hole,” and his ultimate escape. With help from Claire Headley, the two of them told a gripping tale that should educate a lot of people about the scary hardships of Sea Org life.

Yes, your proprietor had some criticisms of the show, which skipped over some material we think is rather important, but that doesn’t change the fact that the episode was actually very well done. And our gripes are nothing like what Scientology itself posted at its Freedom magazine website this morning. We’ll spare you the trouble of going over there and post here what the magazine said about the program….

Gasbag Marty Rathbun is now showing he’s a wannabe Starsky or Hutch for the cheesy tabloid show Dangerous Persuasions on Investigation Discovery, home to programs like Trapped In a Coffin. Spinning a new series of bizarre tales, this blowhard’s latest collection of antics invented for the cameras no doubt were inspired by a 1970s-era cop show. With bad acting, tacky music and really bad writing, producers Raw TV, whose credits include “Sex, Lies and Zumba,” uses laughable dramatizations of Rathbun playing out his machismo fantasies, assisted by serial liar Claire Headley. It’s just more self-important myths from someone desperate to convince anyone who will listen that he’s really a tough guy with a lot of swagger instead of the pathological liar who for six years has continually made up tales about his days with the Church that ended in humiliating disgrace pushing a broom in a Church-owned carpentry mill more than a decade ago. As it turns out, the only thing “dangerous” about Dangerous Persuasions is the risk of being bored to death by Rathbun’s incoherent blather.

Yowch! Now that’s just nasty.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 16, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Tim Hallinan

    Scientology is a skid mark on the surface of society.

    • Juicer77

      You are too kind 🙂

    • anonsparrow

      Also, that was some pretty nice alliteration.

    • Mockingbird

      Hey ! Skid marks find that remark highly offensive !

    • PappeKak

      Not to mention the underwear of society.

    • Ben Franklin

      not just a skid mark. it is a turd

  • ComeToPresentTime

    Holy shit, this was quite the footbullet. Also, I can’t believe that after nearly a decade of waging war with Anonymous in one way or another, OSA still doesn’t understand that they need to go through at least 7 proxies when doing covert ops.

    I guess since LRH is long since passed he can’t provide his loyal officers with such advanced technology.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Noticed this St Louis org promo piece from Rinder’s blog. St Louis Cardinal’s player #48 is Tony Cruz, currently just off roster for paternity leave. Do the Cardinals know they are being played by scientology? Aren’t there rules for this sort of thing?

    http://i.imgur.com/7LOZyMf.jpg?2

    • PappeKak

      It’s nothing that a little non-taxed 501c3 $$$ couldn’t fix. Sadly.

    • Cameo Head

      Something can be done about it… like forwarding this to the Cardinals?

      ETA: Why aren’t any of these people wearing rally caps? Have they never been to a game? (Maybe they don’t have the time or money.)

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Done. And if you click on that pic and have a good look, honestly, they are all glazing over with the zombie look. The rest of the promo on MR’s site – it’s asenior citizens bingo club.

        • NOLAGirl

          Except that a senior citizens bingo club would probably be more fun and they’d have much better advice for people. 🙂

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            and better snacks.

        • Cameo Head

          This juxtaposition makes me very sad — soul-crushing Scientology vs. baseball (not without its warts but something which I derive a great deal of pleasure from, especially when sitting in beautiful AT&T Park with hot garlic fries and cold beer).

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Looks like some shooped ppl in the pic.

        • Cameo Head

          lol… yep, I hadn’t noticed. How can they do this without realizing the message it sends, loud and (ahem) clear? “We need to add faces to this photo to make it look like more people give a shit, because really there’s hardly anybody who gives a shit.”

      • flyonthewall

        rally squirrel is squirrel tech

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I mentioned to the STLCards that I am a 55 year fan and surely they are not promoting a fundraiser for scientology?

          • flyonthewall

            let us know if u get a response

    • J. Swift

      Major League Baseball owns all images.

      Why is the Church of Scientology engaging in copyright piracy in an attempt to make money?

      Contact:
      The Office of the Commissioner of Baseball
      Robert D. Manfred Jr., Commissioner
      Address: 245 Park Avenue, 31st Floor
      New York, State: NY Zip Code: 10167
      Phone: 212-931-7800
      Fax: 212-949-5654

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Sorry, if this has already been posted: “Elisabeth Moss: The Scientologist at Your Daughter’s Graduation”
    Why Removing Elisabeth Moss from Grad Speaker position is the right move. http://hollywoodanalystblog.blogspot.com/2015/04/elisabeth-moss-scientologist-at-your.html?spref=tw

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      bam

    • Sid

      Quite a letter. So correct.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I tweeted a thanks and a link to the “GrowingUpScientology” video trailer.

        • Juicer77

          Great idea.

        • Allie

          Sounds like you’re getting the hang of tweeting now.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Scientology: Hollywood is SO on to you.
      Katherine Eastvold has done her homework. Just a few excerpts:

      “But alas, I won’t be watching another Moss movie. As a victim of severe child abuse, I am careful about placing my hard-earned dollar in the coffer of those who fund and protect all forms of it- like human trafficking, pedophilia, malnutrition, intense labor and any other kind of child slavery and neglect.

      Unfortunately, that’s exactly where Moss’s dollar goes.”

      “Because Scientology’s hunger for this new blood has increased since Katsalas’ passing. They don’t have such an easy window into the hopeful’s hearts and minds anymore like they once did, but – hence the heavy pavement pounding at Central Casting and speaking engagements at acting schools like the AADA. They are making sure to get the most out of every chance they get – which means every
      graduate is a bigger target than before.

      Look, the concern here is not that Scientology most likely arranged for Moss to speak to the AADA’s graduates on both coasts, or that her $100-120k booking fee for both will most likely enter the coffers of
      Scientology within minutes of payment. No, the concern here is that Elisabeth Moss can earn a commission on these babies.”

      A commission. “

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Excerpt: “Is there a parent out there that wants their sons or daughters listening to a cult member tell them how to approach their future? Hubbard was a madman at best, and that’s who Elisabeth Moss is dedicated to.” Amen to that!

        • Allie

          AMEN!

    • Hamtaro

      What a well written post and a pleasure to read. Great job finding it, Walrus.

      • Mymy88

        – Off Topic – Hamtaro – I saw your clip of the Andrew Sisters, so I thought you might like this.
        https://www.youtube (dot) com/watch?v=hTR9mzBoRt4

    • TinyTyrant

      Thank you for posting the link. Well written and well reasoned. When are these celebrities going to address the facts in the movie? Cowards, cowards all!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Remember we are just Wogs to be lied to to. Beneath their contempt and lesser life forms. Funny how they use each others as slaves. Somebody must not be connecting the dots.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      ‘But alas, I won’t be watching another Moss movie. As a victim of severe
      child abuse, I am careful about placing my hard-earned dollar in the
      coffer of those who fund and protect all forms of it- like human
      trafficking, pedophilia, malnutrition, intense labor and any other kind
      of child slavery and neglect.’
      Very well put. If we all stood up like me and refused to spend a dime on any clam that makes money off of it then hopefully they’ll go away. I remember watching the first few episodes of Orange is the new Black, and the minute I figured out that was prepon, I turned it off and wrote two letters to Netflix. One thing that gets in my friend’s, co-worker’s and parent’s craw is knowing they pay for this abuse with their tax dollars!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Yep, I’m with you, Todd. I refuse to support the CO$ directly or indirectly, via their celebrity clams.

    • Cameo Head
    • PappeKak

      Excellent article.

    • Juicer77

      Wow. So good. Give them an earful.

    • cdub

      Really really good. Unusually good. Hwood is fed up with scn.

      • Allie

        Music to my ears 🙂

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      That was a very well written piece.

    • lmnop

      thank you for posting this, when watching mad men earlier this week, when Elisabeth Moss was on the screen, all I could think of was that she is a scientologist, can’t watch her anymore knowing she supports the abuses of scientology.

    • Allie

      Very well-written article. Moss is another one of the clebs that I won’t support in any way.
      I like that the author included how to contact the American Academy of Dramatic Arts if you have concerns and listed the graduation dates. I would really like to hear her speech(es) and like the author,
      how she’ll get around the Scn reference.

  • Dawn G

    Dave can’t sue HBO, or any other media outlet, without the strong possibility of being deposed so I guess this is all that’s left for him.

    • NOLAGirl

      “Your Honor, while we understand that our client Mr. Miscavige has a black heart, Mr. Gibney and HBO are just big meanies!”

      I don’t wish a lawsuit for HBO or Gibney, but it sure would be full of Co$ foot-nukes if it happened. 🙂

      • Dawn G

        Oh no doubt it would be hilarious. He’s just not going to go there, I’m thinking. He’s not into risking his own nec. I don’t think he’s worried about risking other people’s necks to ramp up the crazy against individuals.

        • NOLAGirl

          No doubt. Daves only concern is Dave and his bank accounts…..oh and Marty…but shhhh…nobody gives a fuck about him. LOL 🙂

  • Hapless sea orger trying to imitate a Time Magazine reporter? How farcical. Reminds me of a Seinfeld episode.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OefQwYN6vbM

    • Cameo Head

      lol… “And you want to be my Ecclesiastical Leader.”

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Reminds me of a Three Stooges episode. Janitors mistaken for reporters. In the Sea Org, you usually have at least 3 jobs – one of them is janitor. No, really!

      https://youtu.be/WyTmrVelikc

    • Vaquera

      Art. Art Vandelay.

  • Pierrot

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    And Jeffrey Swift : http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/04/18/time-to-13909-the-church-of-scientology/
    Write a personal letter to your congress person.

    RedX tips : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-119#post-2525027
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    F5 … Keep Walking by Pshoudini enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX,
    and flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16013902967/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Allie

      I love this picture….walking into the light……barefoot. Ready to feel FREE.

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    According to eBay, my e-meter has arrived in town and due for delivery today. I’m gonna have to wash my hands because I just ate some pizza.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      And just as soon as I wrote this, it arrived!

      • Juicer77

        Pics, please! And tear the thing apart so we can poke at it 🙂

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          I’ll take pics, but I won’t take it apart. There is already a YouTube video with that and I won’t waste my money even more by destroying the thing.

          • Steve Bazemore

            Too bad I didn’t keep my narconon books, we could probably put them to use with your E meter and have a laugh

    • PappeKak

      Ok, I’m clueless. Why would a sane person pay for an emeter? Are you less than sane? Or is there something you haven’t told me? LOL

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        I’m a sucker for antiques (I bought a Mark V) and weird stuff.

        • Techie

          Hey Sebastian, I never answered your question about batteries and chargers. All meters from the VI up can be charged safely while in use, and of course the IV used primary cells so it was safe. It is only the V and Azimuth that connect the mains to the cans when you are charging and the power is turned off. Both British and American Vs had this flaw. Have fun with your meter, just don’t do any Scientology with it!

        • PappeKak

          Weird stuff is cool. I get that. But emeters? A ruined television set in a trash bin would have more valuable guts. I don’t know. Maybe its just too weird for me to understand. Oh. Wait. Maybe I get it. You are collecting props for the next Bunker(tm) movie. Oops. Hope I didn’t let go with any super sekrit stuff.

          • flyonthewall

            I’d like to have an emeter just to play sec check on. WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES!!!! Lol, that would be fun

            • Juicer77

              Hook it up to the pizza!! It worked for tomatoes…

            • flyonthewall

              Yeah you can be like crazy Capt Bill and blow the BT’s off your food before eating

            • Allie

              Juicer, you’re a riot!

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            No, I’m not involved with Mark Bunker. Also in my possession is an old cymbal-banging monkey with the creepy eyes.

            • flyonthewall

              thrift store junkie eh?

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Sometimes.

            • flyonthewall

              Lol, yeah we are on a first name basis w/the guys at goodwill here. Pyrex, yarn art, vinyl, toys, clothes gimme gimme gimme!

        • Steve Bazemore

          Are you going to display it?

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            Yep. Just posted the pics above.

            • Matt in Atlanta

              I paid $5.00 bucks for mine @ a local flea market. I am sooo winning!

            • Cosmo Pidgeon

              I like the case. For house calls.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Hmm, that’s your actual meter? What’s the date on the manufacturing seal? Mine says 1984.

            • Allie

              1984….hmmm…how appropriate.

            • Matt in Atlanta

              That is my actual meter.Inside the top lid it says “Design Animations”

              I do not see any date of manufacture anywhere. On the front of the meter it says ” Hubbard ElectroMeter For Use In Scientology British Mk V Meter”

              On the back is a red label stating ” The E-Meter is not intended for the diagnosis or treatment of any disease”

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Same with mine, only it has a silver Bridge Publications sticker with the date of manufacture.

            • Matt in Atlanta

              Does your meter have a circular red metal badge on the front cover with HCO and DDS on it?

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              It does have an HCO label. What’s DDS?

            • Robert Eckert

              Not Doctor of Dental Surgery, for sure. Not on any product remotely connected to Hubbard.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              The box does have “FSO” scribbled on the side in magic marker. I know what FSO is. I suppose this e-meter was built in Clearwater?

            • Matt in Atlanta

              Actually the DD are really two triangles having to do with Knowledge and ARC or something and the S is for scientology.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Yes. As you can see in the pics, it does have that logo.

    • anonsparrow

      No freewheeling after pizza. Unless it’s Judas Priest’s “Freewheel Burning”. That’s fine.

    • Sergeant Pepper

      You can Joburg Sec Check your friends!!! When’s the party?

  • anoni81b4u

    I just found a shoe that has to belong to David Miscavige, I recognized the foot bullet.

  • George Layton

    If they would let DM go back and finish junior high school he might grow out of that behavior.

    • cdub

      GED in prison.

      • flyonthewall

        What if when he goes to prison he enrolls in Criminon!? That would be 10,000 spoons and all you need is a knife ironic

      • Mockingbird

        Hey , some prisons have excellent GED programs !

        • cdub

          i know. finally he will grow up

    • anonsparrow

      Maybe he would be more dangerous if he was more educated. You know, with Home Economics classes and stuff.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Sorry if this has already been posted: “This Viral Facebook Video About Mental Health Is Scientology
    Propaganda” http://internet.gawker.com/this-viral-facebook-video-about-mental-health-is-scient-1698255782
    6,989,912 views on Facebook!! Ack!

    • MaxSpaceman

      Am I off-the-mark? or is this not the best Scilon propaganda of a production?

      I hope it didn’t go too viral. Geeeeesh. Seems very, very effective.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Sorry, I don’t understand your question. It has gone viral, as explained in the article.

        ETA: Some of the angry comments to this article are brilliant.

        • L. C. Spencer

          Gawker commenters cut their teeth on the Tom Cruise IAS video back in the day (that was the site that refused to take down the video in the face of Cherch legal threats). They have a strong history of savage delight in mocking the Midget and all his Minions.

          • lmnop

            it’s one of the reasons I love them

        • MaxSpaceman

          no, the thing I’m sayin’ is it’s a really well made piece, I think. And if it’s effective, it could be effective with a lot of people instead of a few.

          or, is it viral in a J & D way, is what I’m asking

          • L. C. Spencer

            Sadly, it’s viral in that a lot of idiots are posting it without realizing what it is. Probably anti-vaxxer mommy bloggers and the like, I haven’t gone over to look.

            • MaxSpaceman

              which is very bad news. Because the piece is excellently well-made.

            • L. C. Spencer

              Yeah. I long for the days when their production values were painfully laughable.

              But hey, despair not: you know what else is excellently well-made? Going Clear.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            People are sharing the video to their friends on Facebook mistakenly thinking it has an empowering message to not label kids. They have no idea it is really a CO$ promo to reject mental health treatment and turn to the CO$ instead. Now that the CO$ link is getting revealed folks are getting angry that they were used to unknowingly spread this CO$ crap. Hopefully the 7 million Facebook shares will turn into 7 million people mad at being duped into spreading their propaganda.

            • Allie

              That was my understanding from the video. That there was no mention of Scientology at all in the video and it was going viral because of the message. Sneaky bastards.

  • AustinTxGal

    These goons are the Beverly Hillbillies of surveillance organizations…. Crude… technologically unsophisticated…. it’s kind of embarrassing…. I thought once they reached OT8 they were supposed to have superpowers and the infallible?

    • cdub

      Their instructions are all 50 years old.

      • Tom Yozwiak

        I want to come out with a Cliff Notes-type version about $cilon . I’m calling it, “Scientology For Dummies”… ohhh… that’s kinda redundant, isn’t it?

    • Mockingbird

      Their superpower is extreme arrogance , prejudice and slavish hypnotic submission to Ron Hubbard !!Extreme cognitive dissonance buried in the subconscious mind and ruthlessly projected onto ALL acceptable targets !

    • AustinTxGal

      They’ve got 4 billion dollars….they couldn’t afford to hire a Russian hacker?

    • ze moo

      While the Wisconsin ‘operation’ was busted, how many others have not been detected or outed? The fake interview attempt on Haggis was so far down the scale of believability that even Austin Powers and Maxwell Smart are saying, ‘What the hell???’

      Most clam ‘operations’ are noisy and stupid because they are supposed to be that way. Claire Headly has reported that pi’s have followed her and her kids around and taken their pictures on several occasions. The Squirrel Busters that harassed Marty Rathbun were there just for the harassment. What did the pIs who followed Pat Broeker around for 15 years do? So many exs have reported (and probably not reported more) clam games that Miscavage has put the fear of the clampire into a lot of people. That bully reputation is one that DM really wants to cultivate.

      The fake interview attempt may have been some stupid Sea bOrg trying to get favor with the boss. It smells like something a 17 year old would do.

      Every once and a while, the CIA does something stupid in a very public way. That way no one believes that they really have any ability to do anything well, or important. Just the kind of advertising a real spy agency wants.

      Of course, after all those years of Miscavage management, maybe the clams have no internal talent left. Or do they? There are a lot of former Blackwater mercs looking for work, and 10k a week is very nice pay.

      Watch out for conformational bias, it bites you in the ass at the most inappropriate times. I am personally waiting for Tony O’s second book, the tale of all the dirty tricks and crimes that have been committed against him and others. That book will make a great 60 Minutes (US version) story.

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    You wanted e-meter pictures, well you’re gonna get e-meter pictures!

    • MaxSpaceman

      A righteous one- no wait! not possible 🙂

      The wooden ones *are* vastly more appealing than the Easy-Bake Oven ones or newer vintage.

      • Sid

        I agree. The old wooden ones had a bit of classic look to them.

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          I noticed it doesn’t come in a fancy suitcase like Mark VI onwards. It was mailed in its original box.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Hey, you been in my trash cans? heh Oh wait, I threw those out a few years ago. You could refigure those wooden panels to use as a tablet stand.

    • Jgg2012

      Where’s the court-ordered disclaimer?

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        The pic is there, just extend the post.

        • Jgg2012

          Thanks–I see it now.

      • Sergeant Pepper

        It’s there and it seems legit. I am surprised, but I wager many don’t have it. 1sub has one but I can”t recall if he mentioned the sticker status on his.

        • Robert Eckert

          It’s written in dark writing on black on the bottom of the meter, or something insane like that.

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            Funny, mine’s disclaimer is on a red sticker on the side. Does it have to do with the time of manufacturing? (1984)

            • Robert Eckert

              I don’t know the date of 1sub’s meter, you’ll have to ask him next time he’s around.

          • PickAnotherID

            Which violates the intent of the order directing the disclaimer be attached. It’s supposed to be on a readily visible portion of the meter, not the bottom.

    • flyonthewall

      nice!

    • Tory Christman

      Ah the original Delta Meter Mark 5 wasn’t it? There on I think Mark 8 now.
      WHAT A TOTAL RIP OFF!! 😀

      • Sid

        Yeah. A nice little Mark 5. I threw out my Mark 6 some time ago. Never had a Mark 7.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        The Mark V does have this old-timey, aesthetic charm to it. Marks VI and VII are interesting in that they look like these unusual gizmos that look like they could something amazing, even though it’s common knowledge that they’re hocus-pocus. The Mark VIII looks like it was shat out by RoboCop.

      • Allie

        At 5 grand a pop, a HUGE rip-off. For hell’s sake, even the lower end Apple Watches
        are affordable. And they actually do something unlike these easy bake ovenny thingies.

      • ComeToPresentTime

        I went to the official site for the Mark 8 E-Meter and was LMAOing. Apparently the thing is set up for you to do firmware updates on it via your computer and there’s some kind of Completely Legit Software you need to install on said computer for it to work properly.

        LOL (F5)

    • PickAnotherID

      From the FDA required tag in the picture above (emphasis added):
      Note: The contract for the new, superduper Mark VIII E-meter says essentially the same thing in the contract.

      By itself, this meter does nothing. It is solely for the guide of Ministers of the Church in
      Confessionals and pastoral counselling. The Electrometer is not medically or scientifically
      useful for the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease.
      It is not medically or
      scientifically capable of improving the health or bodily functions of anyone and is for religious
      use by students and Ministers of the Church of Scientology.

      1. Stress is a valid psychological condition with recognized physiological impacts.
      2. The tag says flat out the E-meter does nothing, and is not medically or scientifically useful for the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of any disease.
      3. Would not then, the use of the E-meter to conduct ‘stress tests’ on people who are not students or Ministers of the Cof$ constitute fraud? Maybe even practicing medicine without a license?

      Maybe the next time you come across a stress test table, instead of reciting OT-III, a call to the local PD Fraud Division might be in order. You might even want to have a copy of what the FDA said the tag is supposed to say in case it was altered or removed.

    • Matt in Atlanta

      It appears you have an “American” manufactured e-meter as the label says “Bridge Publications” Mine says “British Mk-V

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        The box is came in has “FSO” on the side. Am I to assume this was built in Clearwater?

        • Matt in Atlanta

          Flag Service Order? Clearwater could be where it was last calibrated. Back in the day,you had to send it in to be tuned up.

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            To be exact, the writing reads “H3927 FSO 2480 Lake”.

      • Techie

        That is just a sticker they put on when it was checked out, probably at Bridge Publications in LA. They call that the “Silver Cert” and you have to get it renewed every year. It says ’83 to ’84 but that is just when it was last certified. It is a pretty early American MK V, manufactured by the Hubbard E-Meter Manufacturing department at Bridge Publications.

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          I must say, whoever owned it previously took very good care for the item. It looks almost new even though it apparently hasn’t been certified in 30+ years.

    • Juicer77

      Really retro vintage!

  • Tory Christman

    “Yowch! Now that’s just nasty.” For the leader of Scientology to have barbed wire all around the back of his pad here in Hollywood, not to mention the endless horror stories of his abuses, he IS “just nasty”: PERIOD.

    I am NOT kidding. These are photos I took a few days ago, which are on the fence behind “dave’s” apt here in Hollywood, right off of Hollywood Blvd.

    Someone asked: “Is that razor wire facing out or in?”
    I said: As you can see, the dark metal fence is facing out–away from his pad which is on the other side.
    The razor wire is really on-top, for both sides.
    The long ones go from his pad down to Author Services Next door.

    So he can drive into Author Services garage, in a car with blackened windows. The garage door shuts.
    From there he can go into his apt.
    Thus? You never seen spontaneous photos of “dave”. Creepy, eh?

    • Tory Christman

      PS: Religion? MY ASS!

    • Tom Yozwiak

      That fence shows a massive amount of fear in that little man.

      • Tory Christman

        ^ ^ Amen! And you should see it at night in the back: HUGE LIGHTS, CAMERAS ON..It’s Spooky.

        • Tom Yozwiak

          I mean – the Whitehouse doesn’t even have fencing like that…

          • Tory Christman

            Excellent point, Tom! I’m sure he’d say: “yes, but the White house has land around it”.
            So? STAY IN YOUR F*** “TOP SEKRET COMPOUND” OUT AT HEMET, CA. No one wants you here, anyways.

          • flyonthewall

            they have many layers of security, some of which you can’t see and none of it works apparently

          • Mymy88

            Not even Bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad had fencing like that!

        • Jgg2012

          I think that he is avoiding subpoenas.

        • ComeToPresentTime

          I’ll make sure to take a closer look next time I do a Fresh & Easy run, lol

          • Tory Christman

            Take photos if you do…remember this is all BEHIND “dave’s” pad, and Author Services. It’s from the next street, right behind it, and down the driveway. You’ll see some of the razor wire on the fence next to THE driveway. 🙂

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        So much for his “big beingness”.

        Security for a mobster needs to be tight ya know.

        • Tory Christman

          Exactly, Suzanna! Why can’t all of his many “OT’s” INTEND Security? Oh that’s right…
          they can’t really do anything.

      • Snake Plissken

        He really is small, in more ways than one, it’s been over 20 years since he’s made a media appearance. The little fella is absolutely terrified about being in the presence of anyone he can not push around,

      • Tory Christman

        Fact is: “dave” is a PUSSY.

        • lmnop

          Hey, you’re giving pussy’s a bad name!

          • Tory Christman

            Never forget, lmnop: there are 2 definitions, actually 3 for Pussy. He is NOT 1 or 2.
            He IS Pussy—a whimp ass/pimp ass weasel-pussy!

            • Tom Yozwiak

              Haaaa! You Go Tory!!!!

            • Tory Christman

              You know it’s true, Tom 🙂 LOL!! NAILED !!

            • Tom Yozwiak

              Yup – BAM! BAM! BAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!

            • Allie

              I love the way you talk, Tory. Esp. when you get fired up.

            • Mymy88

              TORY! It’s okay though, because the right to use the P word around here is honorably reserved for you only. You’ve earned it! Wow, I just loved that!

        • Tom Yozwiak

          BAZINGA!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Hey Dave, The SP’s – they’re everywhere! Oh these pics sure tell the story, Tory. Dave’s probably diving for those copper rods right now.

    • Kristin Rawls

      I just watched a documentary about the Sobibor death camp, complete with dramatizations featuring razor wire. What I find so strange is that Miscavige doesn’t realize what a bad look this is.

      • Tory Christman

        I’m sure he never considers anyone will snap photos like this.HA HA “dave”…tick Tock, darlin 🙂

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        He just isn’t ‘wired’ right. Just that simple.

    • Jgg2012

      A world without insanity!

      • Tory Christman

        I think that (“A world without insanity”) got lost somewhere between “dave” never getting educated (thus doesn’t even know basics he should) and he going NUTZ. (<<< My opinion, based on FACTS known about this c r a z y, abusive "leader", David Miscavige.

    • Snake Plissken

      It’s par for the course, no self-respecting crime boss would be caught dead without razor wire around his cartel’s compound … literally.

      Just look what happen to Tony Montana in Scarface.

    • Well, he’ll never have to see that, either, when he’s in prison.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Bizarre.

    • madame duran

      Nothing says “Home Sweet Spiritual Home” like barbed wire around a fenced perimeter. White picket fences and pearl gates are for wussies. *eye roll*

    • jane456

      Tori, you are free. You can walk down any street in any city. Go to any restaurant, talk to anybody you want to, sleep late, go shopping, get your hair and nails done. WHATEVER you want to do. Little Davey cannot. Not that I feel sorry for him, I don’t. I just love the fact that they (cult leaders) are not free, not like you and me.

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        Very true. I bet looking out the window at that fence and razor wire is almost as bad as what we are looking at from this side of the fence. The difference is that Tiny fists doesn’t have the humanity to even realize how sad his own condition is.

        • ze moo

          DM looks outside his window and says, ‘ I am master of my domain’. Everyone else sees a nutjob fenced in. Where he belongs. Too bad he makes others keep him company.

      • Tory Christman

        ^ ^ Amen, sister! BUT—they *could* all be free, really free, IF they chose to. That is the difference. NO ONE is making them stay. Not “dave”…Not the members. That was what I realized the DAY I woke up: This is MY responsibility to either a) Stick my head back in the sand and PRETEND I don’t know what I do OR b) WALK OUT THE NEAREST DOOR. I took B 🙂 ((And have NEVER looked back!!)) 🙂

        • Todd Tomorrow

          You are sadly I fear an exception to the rule. We hear only about the people who thrive when they leave the cult. But when they find an old lady eating out of a trash can because she is too old to work as hard as a slave anymore. Of course she disconnected from her children who eventually took her in. Not being wealthy they had to pool their money to get mom(a person they new for a very short time long ago) medical care. Also heard of people being dropped off at airports, some with a one way ticket and some without a ticket.

        • jane456

          I am just talking about DM . I don’t think that little schmuck can ever be free of the monstrosity he built. Maybe on some remote island, he can be free to walk around and talk to his BT pals. The only pals he will ever really have. Have fun, with your little BT’s Davey. I’m sure they are totally impressed with your suits and motorcycles.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Michael Jackson dressed as a woman and snuck to sleazy hotel rooms to meet with his lovers. I’m sure BM gets a chance to SCOHB, when he has some extra time.

    • ze moo

      The motion detectors are a little overkill. Hell, you can see that 3 upgrades have been done to these gates and walls over the years. It must be nice to own a fence company in LA.

      • Tory Christman

        LOL! Not really, ze moo. If you heard from some of the local merchants who have serviced $cientology and how much $$$ they “Owe us and won’t pay”…You would re-consider, although your point IS funny. 🙂

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        “The motion detectors are a little overkill”

        Nuh uh……..they gotta know when they are going to have to deliver a touch assist!

        They are the only ones who can help.

        • Tory Christman

          ROTFLOL!! Thanks for the great laugh, Suzanna. 🙂

    • PickAnotherID

      Looks like pictures of certain areas of Gitmo. Is all that razor wire even legal that close to the street??

    • Tracy Schmitz

      why would he NEED a apartment? in hollywood?

      • Tory Christman

        It’s a pad next to Author Services for when he’s visiting.
        The question is not why the pad, it’s why the F** Razor Wire like that,
        On BOTH sides of the fence.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I was knocked out that you got these pictures, so I made you a little something:

          http://i.imgur.com/pZEi2dU.jpg

          • Tory Christman

            Fantastic, THDNE 🙂 WOW. My friend and I just noticed, this is 4 layers of fences.
            TWO Brown ones ..on top of each other.
            Then some spikes ontop of the 1st brown one, poking out.
            Then the razor wire on TOP.
            Phew…religion? HA.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Oh, it Is 4. I kept looking at it and looking. It’s very entwined, but the more effects I put on it, the more ominous it looked. I wonder how if he gets outside at All anymore? He was looking pretty pale in the last event pics.

          • Tory Christman

            PS: FTR: It’s a barbed wire fence, unless you’re joking, THDNE. 🙂
            Here’s a reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbed_wire
            Either way…I love your card! Can you print it off? Now that would be *hot*.
            🙂

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Bared wired fence apartment – but bared wired home was just tidier.

          • Mymy88

            Wow! Score! Totally Facebook worthy. Swiped!

          • Tory Christman

            I adore this, THDNE 🙂 Thank you!! 🙂

      • jeff

        To SCOHB, of course!

    • Dawn G

      Definitely creepy. It looks like a prison compound.

      • Tory Christman

        Exactly, Dawn…and to think this is in the 1st block off of Hollywood Blvd.
        Right down the street from “The Walk of Fame”.

        • Dawn G

          Hopefully images like this will start getting a wider audience now that the media is all over the cherch. It’s pretty jarring visually. No church I ever attended had concertina wire around the perimeter.

    • Anonymookme

      Wow. He’s sitting on a billion dollars, yet he’s in prison.
      Well, Miss Cabbage, I have considerably less $$ than you do, but I’m absolutely free to go anywhere I want without the fear of being pointed at and laughed at.
      Cheers! Enjoy your life in the Sciloon Super Max.

      • Juicer77

        And the prison of his own paranoid, delusional mind.

    • Mymy88

      How bout sending in the Navy Seals, Seal Team 6 style!

  • lmnop

    I just watched the Dangerous Persuasions show. Rathburn said that he left Scientology to go see his father who was on his deathbed, but couldn’t go see him because other scientologists were there with his father. Then he went ahead and met with Miscaviage because it meant that Miscaviage would have to treat Marty as a human being. Spent six hours telling Miscaviage he wasn’t coming back until Miscaviage offered to make Marty a top auditor, then Marty went back to Scientology. Never said whether or not he got to see his father.
    What dicks.
    Maybe it’s just the way the show was written that they left out the info about Marty being able to see his father before he died.
    All of this “saving the planet” BS. If we humans really wanted to save the planet, we’d stop burning fossil fuels. Scientology is just navel gazing, self-centered attention. What a waste.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      It’s just mold on the top of fracking, factory animal farms, racism, …

      • lmnop

        very true…

    • Juicer77

      I had the same thought. I guess I’ll have to break down and read Rathbun’s book to find out why he never got there to see Dad. I would have gone in and tossed everyone out in a hot minute so I could spend his last time with him.

      • lmnop

        That’s what I was thinking too… Get the F@!! out, I gotta be with my dad! But noooooooo… him and Miscaviage had to hash things out so Marty could come back and be a top level auditor… a person has to have their priorities… If that’s not the way it was, I’d be pissed at the producers of the show if I was Marty.

  • Tory Christman

    Thank you for this article about Paul Haggis, Tony! It never seems to stop, does it? I think you nailed it
    100% when you talked about Hollywood living with their threats for years..and now the doors are WIDE
    OPEN. OH YES!

    • Tom Yozwiak

      In our present state of enlightenment over the abuses and hypocrisies of $cilon, it would be misfeasance, malfeasance and nonfeasance for any purported journalist to NOT ask each & every celeb $cilon about their “church”.

      • anonsparrow

        Yes and by that we shall know them.. Are you a real reporter or just filling in until the real one gets here?

        It’s fair game on Scientology reporting in the press. Do it now or forever hold your peace.

        • Tom Yozwiak

          Zactly

      • ze moo

        The red carpet and talk show interviewers will still ask the same lame questions they always have. The ‘star’ is there to sell the movie, and they and the studios want it kept that way. Don’t expect Steve Cobert to change that when he takes over the Late Show. I do hope that Letterman gets a few more clam shots in before he goes, but as I haven’t seen Travolta or Cruise on the list of last guests, I doubt that will happen. He is the only one with nothing left to lose. Everyone else knows where their bread is buttered. I wonder if Jay Leno has any good clam stories?

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Not a fan of Leno, however, I remember he said something anti-clam a long time ago. Could have been in his standup. My Gran always watches him so I’ll see if she remembers.

        • Tom Yozwiak

          You’re right about that, but I was not talking about late night hosts, but more about actual journalists.

          • Tracy Schmitz

            i don’t think cruise has sat down for a real interview in YEARS AND YEARS! i don’t count butt kissing late night shows or graham norton REAL interviews…

        • Allie

          I think I read somewhere (can’t remember where) that John Travolta WILL be a guest on the last 2 wks of Letterman’s show. His final program is May 20.

    • ze moo

      I see a lot of pent up anger directed at $cientology in the news today, not just here, but in all media. Dave Letterman has done a lot of $cieno jokes lately. The Daily Show had a great little drive by on the ‘personality test’ last night. While Chelsea Handler’s show was on E!, she slapped the clams so many times you could not them. It seems everyone has clam story and they want to share the crazy.

      The little snow ball that started down the mountain long ago has reached super OT avalanche size today.

      • Allie

        Can’t wait to see this. And the swath of the avalanche will be enormous.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    LA Observed snippet, gives a nod and link to Underground Bunker

    “Someone inside one of the Scientology buildings in Hollywood posed as a Time magazine reporter seeking an interview with celebrity church defector Paul Haggis. This is why journalists who cover cults learned long ago to confirm identities before talking to “colleagues” who call from other publications seeking cooperation. The Underground Bunker “

    • anonsparrow

      Nice to see that. Should be common knowledge by now that TO is the goto guy for Scientology, unless reporters do NO homework.

  • Kristin Rawls

    Finally saw the ID Network show. I liked its focus on the way Marty got into Scientology, I think because I’ve read so much about his later experiences in books but never really understood why he got into it besides vague references to his brother’s mental illness. His reasoning made sense to me practically — and also because there was something to it other than being enticed by the idea of superpowers. It really was a selfless reason, just looking for a way to help a family member in crisis. This made me think there was something in it for him other than a desire for power — and actually made his story seem even more sympathetic, I thought.

    • lmnop

      I had the opposite reaction, maybe getting in was kind of selfless (I have my doubts), but staying in fed his ego I suspect, Inspector General and all that. Too bad Marty didn’t sign up for the military instead.

    • Snake Plissken

      He was a prime candidate to get lured into Hubbard’s mind fuck, someone who was searching for what to do with his future, who had a bother suffering from mental illness, and a mother who killed herself. He’s exact the kind of person Hubbard was looking for to mold into one of his slaves.

  • Sarah James

    I ask where’s Shelly? And a troll bit. LRH took pain killers, locked small children in chain lockers and married a woman while still married to another. Tom Cruise sees David Miscavige as a God, yet David Miscavige reads (outloud)Tom Cruises PC folders for his amusement. Knock your selves out trolls…

    • Tom Yozwiak

      Oh? I missed a troll? Dammit, Snake, you’re supposed to flash the Troll Light in the sky for me.

    • anonsparrow

      Hi Sarah. Did you get an answer to where’s Shelly?

      • Sarah James

        elle, said she was unimportant and the LAPD said the report was unfounded. elle has no worries me thinks…

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          Oh elle has “worries” alright.

        • anonsparrow

          Ok thanks for that.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      $cientology is always worse than you thin. LLoon, molested an African boy and messed around with his own daughter.

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        We don’t have any proof of that. If I recall correctly, both of those stories were something “told” to the originators.
        But the absolute proven facts are bad enough.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          It was on one of the other sites ESMB, possibly. I wouldn’t put it past him.

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            Oh, I wouldn’t either. But my Joe Friday personality makes me pedantic.
            😉

    • Eclipse-girl

      Elle has been going back to an article of Fed 23, on Radar Online.

      The person decided to revive the comments section and has been responded to many people.
      I had two yesterday and 7 today from the person.

      • Sarah James

        elle lives in a time warp. Explains how scientology helps.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      don’t forget he also secretly videotaped cruise and likes to watch the videos and do a running commentary on them while he watches..

      • Sarah James

        Cruise is flattered, too godsmacked by Miscavige to be offended.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    Hey Dave,
    Given your ’70s reference, you deserve a generous hip hip hooray.
    Starsky and Hutch?
    Was it the platform boots you liked when you were a teen, you miserable midget?

    Here’s Starsky and Hutch for ya:

    If Marty is Starsky and Hutch, what are you? Fraggle Rock?

    • flyonthewall

      *thumbs up*

      • anonsparrow

        Miscavige is a muppet. Fraggle Rock are puppets.

        No charge. 🙂

        • flyonthewall

          Muppets are a proud and honorable race. That is an insult to muppets everywhere

          • anonsparrow

            Dude they’re not even real.. It’s a make-believe show that doesn’t even.. wait a minute.. you trollin’ me?

            • flyonthewall

              i tend to troll

            • anonsparrow

              And that is why I love you. <3

            • flyonthewall

              this is the beginning of a beautiful bromance

            • anonsparrow

              LOL!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              How heart warming!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              wtf? conspiracy theory much???

            • flyonthewall

              alright J3 is in da house! I was holding down the fort for you

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Good work. Gotta keep these people on point.

            • flyonthewall

              I beat up some trolls, made sweet love to some fine anon honnies and kept my bro’s in stitches. All in a days work in the Bunker

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Late last night the ladies said you were’ super hot and loved your real life avi. Then you go today and change it. They’re going to be bummed out.

        • flyonthewall

          gtfo, they did not

          • Super Power Wogsy

            We did. I feel like ive seen you before. Past life?

            • flyonthewall

              I have never lived before this life 😉

        • Robert Eckert

          But that’s his real-life fly!

          • flyonthewall

            lol, sadly I have never owned button fly jeans 🙁

            • Dawn G

              Don’t ever buy them. Too much hassle.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              You should give the Levi ones a shot. The support feels heavenly!

        • Super Power Wogsy

          I said he was adorbz.

          • Super Power Wogsy

            I’m halfway out th closet with my avi. I may have inspired him

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Pop, pop pop….you are my kinda girl Wogsy!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              I love shooting and archery

            • Super Power Wogsy

              I will always be single cuz of that

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              I was a cop’s kid so it was kinda part of the deal.

            • Tom Yozwiak

              I like turtles

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You inspired me to buy some better conditioner.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Ditto………;/

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I went into a CVS and I says “How to has shiny???” and I think the poor girl thought I was robbing the place. To be fair to her, I did have a ski mask on, but that was just because it’s so cold outside. I don’t know where spring is.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              U not rite!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              I can be a muse sometimes

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          He Shy!!!!!

      • Ella Raitch

        While I applaud the expansion of lego constructions in the Bunker, you are still the king.

        • flyonthewall

          BAM! Thnx Ella 🙂

    • Tom Yozwiak

      Welll – Tory just called Apple Box Davie a “wimp ass pussy pimp weasel”. That description is closer to Huggy Bear, I think.

    • flyonthewall

      your work or internet pics?

    • anonsparrow

      Look how smug they are even in LEGO form.

      I like Simon and Simon. They were professionals, not exhibitionists.

      • richelieu jr

        I never could figure out which was Simon and which was Simon.

        Hey, here’s a pitch:

        “Scilon and Scilon”: ONeis a by-the-book Hubbardite just a few days from dropping his bodya nd riding the freight trains of Venus and basking in the warm, cozy Van Allen Belt– the other is ahot headed, true-believer-type, not yet hardened to the realities of the hundreds of millions of years left to serve– She wants to Clear the Planet NOW!

        Together they will bicker, and flirt, and get to know each other as they work their way up the bridge and try and figure out who keeps taking that extra bean while the other one is searching abandoned plates fr a few more bites of rice. They put the ‘P’ back in RPF (“Really Pimpin’ Fun!), they’re Scilon and Scilon, this Millenium on KCET!

        • anonsparrow

          Ok count me in. As long as I get to play Simon!

          • richelieu jr

            No, I’m sorry.. The only role left is Simon.

            • anonsparrow

              I really wish you would have consulted with me about this first.

              However, I agree to take the role of Simon.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Have you had a playdate over at Fly’s?

    • eucliditis

      Handiman
      In Living Color
      A pseudo superhero with major challenges

    • eucliditis

      It’s HandiMan-
      The most pseudo superhero of them all!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I’m puttin’ on the happy pants again. The scientology front groups are now getting their spotlight. Gawker’s piece is growing legs.

    “Scientologists slam psychiatry via bogus viral Facebook video” (CCHR)

    http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/244964/scientologists-psychiatry-facebook-video/

    “Before You Share This Viral Video, Know It Is Scientology Propaganda (CCHR)

    http://www.ryot.org/share-viral-video-know-scientology-propaganda/928786

    • Tom Yozwiak

      AND – Another foot bullet brought to you by the dumbasses at $cilon.

    • Frodis73

      That CCHR vid pissed me off to no end. If it shows up in my feed. I will have a cow. Ha. Seriously, I can see that ppl will foolishly agree with it. I wish I made videos because I want to make one that has the artist, leader, etc, tags and then peel off a white label that reveals they are also bi polar, or social anxiety, etc.
      Fuckers.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    For those of you who missed this excellent article by Katherine Eastvold, take a moment to check it out.
    http://hollywoodanalystblog.blogspot.com/2015/04/elisabeth-moss-scientologist-at-your.html?spref=tw

    I just got a response from my tweet. I wanted to thank her, and also link her to the “GrowingUpScientology trailer. I sure like this Katherine.

    http://i.imgur.com/6BIGnF5.jpg

    • Tom Yozwiak

      Very cool!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        She also retweeted and fav’d- yay Pass it on!

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          YAY!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            As a newbie, I’m not sure if #GrowingUpScientology is a correct hashtag?

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              No such thing as a correct hashtag. Attention is the goal………..ANY.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              ah so

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I would recommend sticking with ones that are the most popular. #Scientology #GoingClear
              Simple hashtags like that will have more people searching for them, thus more people will see what you have to say.

            • Ella Raitch

              #GoodAdvice

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              And #Scientology is the most fun. You can be a pain in the ass while spreading the message.
              Its a TWOFER!!!!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I live for BOGO. Often times when I’m at a store, I find an employee and I ask them, “Is this a BOGO item?” And usually the cops end up coming because I’m wearing a ski mask.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              …Pulls you aside….lets talk about that mask, jimmy.
              It is the WRONG one……..

              Let me introduce you to Guy Fawkes……..

            • KNMF

              I don’t twitter or tweet, but I have started typing those two exact aforementioned #s into google just to see what everyone else has tweeted or re-tweeted, twittered, all that.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              And that’s a great example of what I’m talking about. Lots of people do that. Lots of people read tweets without getting involved in Twitter. It’s a great source of information, even if you don’t have an account.

            • ComeToPresentTime

              That would be the correct use of a hashtag 😀

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thanks. I’ve tried to include one or the other or both.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Kind of a related article: “4 Celebrities We Wish Didn’t Follow Scientology” http://ecosalon.com/4-celebrities-we-wish-didnt-follow-scientology/

      Regarding Cruise: “All we can say is that maybe, just maybe, if you put your ego aside and
      saw Scientology for what it really is, we would actually pay money to
      see your movies again.”

      • YNDOT

        Tom Cruise is all ego. He can’t put it aside since it is all he is. I think he will go down with the ship.

      • lmnop

        Love this:

        3. Elisabeth Moss

        We think you’re a great actress. And we love your portrayal as Peggy,
        a smart and sensible woman-about-town in the 1960s on “Mad Men.” Now,
        would sensible Peggy approve of Scientology? No. No she would not. It’s
        time to think more like Peggy, Elisabeth.

        • Always Amazed

          I am so bummed EM is a $cio…do you think we can “save” her before the end of the season? I think that is the only way I could watch MM and feel good about it.

          • lmnop

            I’m glad I didn’t realize EM was a scientologist until the end of the series. I don’t think she can be “saved” that quickly if at all…

    • Tom Yozwiak

      From your link to Katherine’s article –

      “But alas, I won’t be watching another Moss movie. As a victim of severe child abuse, I am careful about placing my hard-earned dollar in the coffer of those who fund and protect all forms of it- like human trafficking, pedophilia, malnutrition, intense labor and any other kind of child slavery and neglect.

      Unfortunately, that’s exactly where Moss’s dollar goes.”

      Powerful stuff right there. Ms. Eastvold has a new fan.

    • Allie

      This is great! I’m becoming a fan of Twitter since you are all so good at it. Might have to give it a try.

  • Vaquera

    “scientology is my favorite tax-exempt cult that owns a terrifying prison boat.”
    https://twitter.com/cryptoterra/status/588845619956985856

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      oooh, avi is so, so, hypno…

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        You can hit retweet right here.

      • Vaquera

        You’re getting sleepy…..

    • LOL

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    “Greta Van Susteren Needs Us to Pray” http://www.headlinepolitics.com/greta-van-susteren-needs-us-to-pray-breaking/

    Hmm…

    (sorry if this has been posted already)

    • Tom Yozwiak

      Why didn’t she just heal him with her Super Power Touch Therapy?

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        John Coale is a walking advertisement for the fact that the fucking TECH don’t work!!!!

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Most of the big Scientology celebrities put on a Christian front. And Greta works at Fox News, which is basically a Christian fundamentalist outpost. So this should be no surprise.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Someone would have to be a complete moron (Christian or not) to ignore their ties to the CO$. $cientology comes before all other religions to a clam, no? Does Franklin Graham even have followers. I thought he was just getting by riding on the goodwill his dad accumulated. And squandering that.

        • KNMF

          He’s big, and Samaritan’s Purse is one of the biggest charities going.

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      I don’t wish this kind of thing on anyone.
      But it is really shitty that they have different rules than other Scientologists.

    • KNMF

      FOX News is a cash cow for Franklin Graham.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Hasn’t John already had major bypass surgery? Hope it’s a minor follow up, not that heart related is always a sure thing. Maybe he and Greta will wake up –

    • Frodis73

      I tried to sign in and comment, but it’s not letting me. Not one mention that she’s a sci.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        They must delete/edit those which mention CO$.

      • Keeping Scientology Waning

        Well I mentioned it. someone had sent to my Facebook page earlier this week, Monday I believe. So I politely asked if Greta and John had forgotten that they are scientologists.

        • Frodis73

          I bet they are deleting them, because I didn’t see it. You know all those from the moral majority will flip out.

    • Kay

      OK, as a “never-in” and a longtime lurker who finally decided to join in the fun, may I ask a question? Do scientologists even believe in prayer? I am confused by Greta Van Susteren and the prayer request. (although it came from Franklin Graham, not her, so I suppose she didn’t ask directly)

      • Super Power Wogsy

        No. I’m an ex, and typically anything related to God is laughed at. Of course, members are under the false pretense that you can still have your beliefs and be a scientologist.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        No. and Welcome. There is nothing like that in scientology and if you ever see anything giving you that impression, it’s just not true. Scientologists believe in spiritual beings – that’s about as close as they get to spirituality.

        • Kay

          Thanks…I really found the article strange. Maybe it’s the “there are no atheists in a foxhole” syndrome, as in now that she is facing something scary she is appealing to a higher power. Frankly, I don’t care for Fox News, and being a scientologist commentator on Fox news has to be the weirdest job ever. She must pay a lot of lip service to right wing Christians. Very odd.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            They are bought high profile scientologists so it’s part of their “job” to network with as many other high profilers as they can. The Samaritan group that Graham mentioned, for instance, that would be a way to safepoint (your basic ecclesiastical infiltrating) key personnel for some of sci’s front groups, like Volunteer Ministers.

            Another tactic is to cozy up to other religious groups to give themselves credibility or respectability, and also allies when sci gets bad press or bad lawsuits.

            • Kay

              That makes total sense. Aligning themselves with already existing charity groups would be a way to take the heat off of the COS.

      • Kay

        Thanks Wogsy….that explains the weird comment Katie Holmes said while dating TC that “you can be Jewish, or Catholic and also be a scientologist.” Even though I didn’t know much about scientology then, I remember how peculiar I thought that comment was.

      • kemist

        They “postulate”, ie, think happy thoughts.

        • Kay

          That’s interesting. So they strike Yoga poses and say “there’s no place like Meethorp, there’s no place like Meethorp.” 🙂 I have always been sort of incredulous vs. offended that they put some variation of a cross everywhere, since that means nothing to them from what I can tell. I would be just as irritated if they used the Star of David. Why don’t they just put a statue of LRH up? That would be more accurate. Sorry if I’m being snarky.

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            You are not. The ‘cross’ is a crossed out cross.
            If you start looking at the origins of it……hmmm. gets wierd.
            google “thelema cross”.
            One of the images will be the Scientology cross.

            • Kay

              That is interesting, I will look that up. I always thought he put a variation of a cross everywhere so that they would look like a religion. I didn’t know there was anything behind that decision other than marketing.

            • Kao Eye

              yup, it’s connected to Crowley too.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Believe me………I Know. In ways I wish I did not.

            • Peggy oh!

              I’ve heard it called the a Double Cross! I thought perfect!

          • kemist

            That would just be repulsive. (F5)

            • Kay

              True, true.

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            They do have a bust and pictures of Hubtart in every building. They stand and applaud, no yoga, that’s taboo.

            • Mymy88

              That is one of the most disgusting things ever!

        • sizzle8

          postulate just means to decide. nothing to do with happy thoughts.

          • Peggy oh!

            What about the tone 40 thingy and finding their keys?

            • sizzle8

              Keys? What’s that?
              Tone 40 is a level where your postulates just happen without effort. No need to think and strain like you’re passing a gall stone. You decide something and it just happens.
              Purely theoretical as no one has ever achieved that level – just like OT.

            • Peggy oh!

              Oh a few days ago people were posting testimonies by people who tone 40ied and found their lost keys, or got a parking space etc…

              It’s a variation on similar Christian *miracles*

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        At a certain early level…maybe.
        You don’t find out about “other practices” until later.

        At Greta’s level…No Way. Both Greta and her Husband KNOW that prayer is a Christian implant.

        • Kay

          So I assume their OT levels are high and they have gone past the Wall of Fire? Just doing that would make ME pray….pray to get the hell out asap. So scientologists believe prayer is a Christian implant? Wow they really are not educated at all, since almost every religion on earth prays in one form or another, albeit to different deities according to their specific religion. Since Hubbard was geographically in the US or England for a lot of his “Ron’s excellent adventure” he was around a lot of Christians, so I assume he had to discredit Christian practices to gain a foothold for scientology. I tried to read Dianetics a few years ago, and 30 pages in I felt like I had inadvertently dropped acid. What a hot mess that book is, truly.

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            No, they do not believe ‘prayer’ is an implant. They believe Christianity is an implant. But only after a certain level, yes. Greta and her husband are both OT VIII, I believe. So they would certainly be long past the facade!
            If you want to hear the true insanity of it all….Listen to Ron’s Journal 1967.

            Do not do this without Xanax or a good friend.
            Trust me.

            Edit…I mis-spoke about “prayer”….

            • Kay

              I will do that, and will make sure I am both pre-medicated, and with a good friend who still likes me despite my long-time obsession with the Co$ and their nefarious practices. My friends are generally OK when I occasionally rant, my family thinks I’m nuts to be so concerned about it so I have to dial it down when I’m with them.

            • Lucille Austero

              Excellent. There are many here with family or significant others who strongly believe we are raving nutjobs. You are among friends!

            • Kay

              Ms. Lucille: Thanks !! It’s nice to be among friends. Truly my friends pretty much are worn out with it. Sometimes I get so frustrated that they don’t have one iota of concern, even after I have explained in detail regarding the human rights violations, child labor violations, human trafficking, prison camps, etc. THEN.. Going Clear comes out, and they call or come over to ask question after question, saying “wow I never knew, this this is horrible” to which I responded, “You never knew? What do you think I have been yammering about for the past eight years???” sigh.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              I gotta tell ya. I listened to Rons journal 67 like 3 or 4 times…………Seriously…cuz I was like….WUT!!! No really…………WUT?

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Here ‘ya go – Vance Woodward can help you with that. Do Not try this sober.

            http://tonyortega.org/blogging-dianetics-from-cover-to-cover/

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              oooh lol.

            • Kay

              Ok I am going to do that.

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            Oh yes, Greta and John are both OT VIII……….Highest level.
            Wall of fire is the way back machine of OT III.
            This is the BS of all of it.

            As the Stones said: YOU can’t always get what you want………..

            • Kay

              Thanks for the info.

        • Kay

          Very interesting.

      • sizzle8

        Nope, prayer is not part of scientology.
        There are a couple of ‘prayers’ in their ceremonies book but those were made up and included to create the fiction that it is a traditional religion.
        Almost never used except for pr reasons.
        The marriage and funeral ceremonies are occasionally used though.
        If you want to pray, it’s tolerated but, once you’re in, almost without exception, you leave behind any previous religion. You won’t be asked to stop praying unless it’s some kind of meditation and you’re getting auditing.

        • Kay

          This is very interesting to me. So, if you were in the Sea Org and one night decided to get on your knees and pray to God, what would they do to you?

          • sizzle8

            They would think you’re weird but probably wouldn’t do anything. The group pressure of being thought ‘aberrated’ would discourage you from doing it publicly.
            The concept is that YOU are, in the final analysis, the source of all.
            You are kind of like ‘a fallen god’ who has ended up trapped in a body and is going trough endless life-death-life cycles.

            • Kay

              I have read a lot on Scientology, but hadn’t thought about the prayer and worship aspect of it. I didn’t realize they don’t do anything like that, ever. I had realized that it is very self-directed, but had not realized that there is literally no construct or template allowing for worship of and obedience to any higher being. Do they actually worship LRH, or is it more that they esteem him?

            • sizzle8

              There is no (capital G) God in scientology. In practice, there is no worship, and no prayer (except for PR reasons) – no matter what they say.
              Spiritual progress and increasing the persons awareness of themselves as a spirit is the goal. That is the attraction that gets people interested and in.
              But Scientology (the big picture) is far more complicated than that as we all know.
              How LRH is viewed varies widely. There are those that think he was like ‘a messenger’, there are those that think he was just a guy who discovered some stuff and there are those that really don’t care who he was. But bad mouthing LRH will definitely get you in trouble.

            • Kay

              Thanks for that info. In pondering this, I am thinking that since they do not believe in a higher power of any kind that they can appeal to, and since the CoS dis-assembles families, that leaves only the organization of scientology to give meaning to their member’s lives. No wonder they have a hard time leaving as the organization.

            • sizzle8

              Remember there are many levels of involvement.
              There are the hard core Sea Org Scientologists who live, eat and breathe Scientology 24/7.
              There are non-Sea Org Scientolgists who work at the lower orgs and have one foot in the Scientology world and another in the real world.
              And there are regular people who take Scientology courses or auditing – some regularly and some once every few years.
              And there are even some who never take courses but still consider themselves ‘in Scientology’.

              Where people get their meaning can be pretty subjective.

            • Kay

              Good point !

            • sizzle8

              Great chatting with you!
              Gotta run now.

            • Kay

              Thanks you have been a great help.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              I was one of those regular people and they’re called public PC’s and training. Except once hooked you did both regularly. Hard to stay out for several years but they will take you back if have enough money, promises and leaves for the celebrities.

            • Are_sics

              I view him as this fucking guy who wrote some awesome shit that Danny Masterson loves studying.

            • sugarplumfairy

              And from now on, so will I..

            • Kay

              So the end result is that you sort of worship yourself? Does that occur only in the upper OT levels? Do people on that level think they are actually a God? That would explain why celebrities at that level seem to think an awfully lot of themselves.

            • sizzle8

              Nope. There is no worship of yourself or anything or anybody else.
              Actually most of the bigger insights into your nature seem to happen at the lower levels. In my experience and watching others go through the OT levels, there is not much gain from them. Scientologists, including OT’s (just a label really) come in all flavors, just like in real life. There are really nice people and there are jerks and whatever comes in between.
              Those that end up in the Sea Org though, do tend to get brainwashed into being abusive and presuming to be better than the rest.

            • Kay

              I have read statements by ex-scientologists who also say that the best gains they got were at the beginning of their auditing, before the Wall of Fire. I have always figured that there must be something helpful in those beginning stages or people wouldn’t hang in there at the beginning. I believe both Paul Haggis and Jason Beghe had some good experiences initially. Regarding your worship comments: I have been able to tell through everything I’ve read that what they do does not involve formal prayer, or worship services etc., however, I’ve always wondered if what I had assumed was true. I agree that people are all different, and regardless of the religious group, there is going to be a wide variety of people with differing behaviors and motives. If whatever helps people at the beginning of CoS could be separated out and made useful under a different organizational umbrella than Miscavage’s criminal organization, I wouldn’t have a problem with that. Whatever works for people is fine with me, as long as they are not hurting others.

            • sizzle8

              As someone once said, if the cheese in the trap wasn’t tasty, it wouldn’t be a trap.

              Very smart people have done services but almost all of them eventually leave when the cheese is gone and before the blade comes down.

              Auditing can be terribly addictive, specially if you had some good gains early on.

              People’s experiences can vary widely. Some will do well and others have a nightmare experience. And both are true.

              Organized Scientology has also changed over the years. Right now it is a House of Horrors. Reform will be difficult because Hubbard’s madness is so deeply stirred into the mix.

              But I agree with you, whatever works is fine as long as they are not hurting others.

            • Fred G. Haseney

              That reminds me of LRH saying that “a Cleared cannibal is a Cleared cannibal.” You can Clear a cannibal, but they’re still going to want to eat you.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Yes, so what’s the sense. Of course you had to read between the lines.

            • L. C. Spencer

              Here’s Nancy Cartwright trying to work through the “god” problem on TV:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr7N4nGe7pc

            • Kay

              L.C. : Thanks for posting that. Wow…she has a hard time explaining herself on this topic, truly.

            • L. C. Spencer

              It’s the perfect explanation for why they never put her front and center until Cruise, Travolta and Kirstie had flamed out as spokespersons 🙂

            • sugarplumfairy

              Who in their right mind wants to be a God? Seriously, it’s a crap job.. And I say that with all due respect to the big guy.. Who I hope has a good sense of humor..

  • I hope Haggis makes a Police Report on them or turns it over to the FBI since its involving the computer.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      The FBI is not going to do anything about it. Lying to someone on the internet isn’t a crime.

      • Mr. Haggis has been has been harassed prior by the Cult. I was thinking along the lines of him being stalked by this Cult not lied too.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Off Topic but I was hoping someone could answer this for a friend at work and myself. What can a clam or what can they do at a car wreck. Touch assist aren’t going to stop bleeding. Are they trained in first aid? WTF,seriously?

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      Oh Todd……You are really going to be appalled at the answer to this question.
      Brace yourself.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        I’m ready..

    • Miss Tia

      take their wallet, valuables, check to see if they’re an organ donor and if so line up a buyer…..

      • Kay

        Miss Tia: LOL !

    • Beth

      Lots of people can say it better than I can, but apparently a superpowered OT can yell at the thetan and bully it to come back into the corpse . So allyoop no one dies. Hubbard said its true so it must be. It’s like yelling at an ashtray but much cooler.

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        And “feel my finger”

        Which is just creepy on its own……………

        • Always Amazed

          not “Pull my finger”? That is the one I grew up with.

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            And which is totally normal. HA!

        • kemist

          It has a special creepiness for me because there was a quack here who became known when he was accused of sexual assault on young girls after attempting to “heal” them with his “magical thumb”.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I’m not even going to try and figure that one out.

        • anonsparrow

          Ok I’ve used this joke before but I don’t know that anyone saw it then (or will see it now)..

          But a Miscavige touch assist goes like this:

          “Feel my fist.”

          That’ is all of it. David Miscavige does not say thank you. (heh)

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            You are so bad for such a tiny little bird.

            • anonsparrow

              Woody WoodPecker was my father. I’m a born instigator.. lol.

          • Juicer77


            • anonsparrow

              That is so cool!

            • Mymy88

              HAHAHAHAHAHAH!! Sooo funny! and cute too for some reason lolol.

          • Mymy88

            LOLOLOLOLOL~!!!

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          After a person is clear they can’t have the ‘feel’ used anymore and it goes to either ‘see ‘or ‘look at my finger’ with eyes closed of course. (can’t remember /don’t want to) Plus the person doing it has to be clear or above, also.

          • Mymy88

            It’s smell my finger, if I remember correctly (but I didn’t want to remember either lol).

            • Kay

              ewwwwwww

            • Mymy88

              …snicker, tee hee

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              I was serious. Flunk. hahaha.

            • Mymy88

              Nah, I’m a never-in. I’m still confused about something though. When Tom Cruise is talking about it in that notorious video, did he mean something along the lines that if the person had a broken thigh bone, for example, and was bleeding to death, Tom Cruise is thinking all he needs to do is touch them and then what? Watch them bleed to death? That makes no sense at all. Did he really mean that?

              Or did he mean if the person was dead, he could bring them back to life with a touch assist? That’s even crazier! Or is a combination of both?

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Neither. They, he, is stupid but not that much.

      • anonsparrow

        Hi Beth. I’ve heard of this before and forgotten. I remember vaguely two stories when I was in where supposedly a Scientologist yelled at a dying person “GET BACK IN YOUR BODY!” – and then the person came back to life. Hard to believe I used to believe that sort of thing so readily.

        Of course they didn’t need to prove this scientifically speaking because they just KNEW! (Wheeee!!!!)

        • Beth

          yes sparrow those big beings seem to KNOW alot of things that have no reality whatsoever. It’s very impressive !

        • kemist

          What do they do if the victim is decapitated ? Do they put the head back on first ?

          • Beth

            excellent question. does anyone have Tom Cruise’s phone number?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Why yes, yes I do.

              1-800-BIG-BEING

            • Beth

              do you think he might agree to live blogging with us one night? I have alot of questions.

            • Lucille Austero

              Bah ha ha!

          • Kay

            Funny !

        • jane456

          Voila…I will keep this in mind for my church (church of blatant fraud)….Always make claims that cannot be disproved by science. Check….

    • anonsparrow

      Tom Cruise would stand there and make them wrong for causing the situation and would eventually shame them into not talking about their injuries or accident any more.

      • anonsparrow

        Just ask Nicole, she knows what she did. BAM!

    • Techie

      Todd, looks like no one fully answered your question. There was quite a long thread about this two days ago but it is impossible to find things in the thousands of comments. I assume you are talking about the Tom Cruise statement that “we are the only ones that can truly help”. http://www.carolineletkeman.org/archives/5011 also there is a Tech Film called “Assists” but it is not on the internet. A brief description – a kid is pulled from the lake and a group tries to give him CPR, no response. All the while the creepy voice of Hubbard is explaining things. Suddenly our Scientologist runs up, takes stock of the situation and declaims in a loud voice: “Come back, and bring this body to life!” I think an AED would do a better job, but that is how it goes. From that, you would think that the “Bring a dead body back to life” assist applies to the situation where breathing, or breathing and circulation, has stopped. Strangely this is only part of the story, some other commenters brought up stories of staff at Narconon trying this (not mentioned is the state of the person) and the strange stories of what happened after Jett Travolta’s death. I know of someone who wiped out on a bike and became one at 40 MPH with a telephone pole – they tried to “Bring him back to life” even though his body was irretrievably broken. So possibly these are Scientologists who did not really understand what they were doing (ya think?). At any rate, what I remember of what we were taught is a Scientologist is supposed to take control of the situation at an accident scene. The first priority is any actual medical attention, first aid, then to make the person as comfortable as possible, then to deliver an assist. Commonly this would be a touch assist en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assist_%28Scientology%29

  • Suzanna Nielsen

    Off Topic……has anyone got any news on Mario Fenniger lately?
    He keeps popping into my brain and I have been wondering.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Off Topic… Has anyone heard from Topanga from Boy Meets World lately? She pops into my head all the time. Just wondering.

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        LOL……..that is TWICE today!
        I am keeping score buddy!

      • Super Power Wogsy

        oh no! did something happen to her?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Let me check – didn’t Allen Barton hear something back when he invited Mario to the Disconnection play?

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        Not sure.?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Either I broke Google search, or there’s nothing on him since scientologists got shamed enough to have their own little fundraiser – only thing I found was Jan 15 Skip Press’s review – I found it, but he just said he’s alive “as far as I know”.

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            🙁

      • Are_sics

        wait… There has to be a story here! What do you know?!?
        I fell in love with the character in the play that ‘was he.’ I hope Mr. Feninger is doing very well.

      • Davka

        Could always ask Allen – his contact info is at the Beverly Hills Playhouse website. He might write back……or maybe Tony knows……

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Pop Culture Confidential podcast with Kim Masters regarding CO$/ Going Clear: http://www.popcultureconfidential.com/

  • Ella Raitch

    And where is Ivan/Ivy Mapother? If you are lurking, I miss your daily snark!

    • Susan_Poche

      missing Sherbet of late too Ella
      and have not seen grundoon or A Guest (Cars) in a long long while.

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        Yes…and YES….and Y.E.S.!!!!

      • Juicer77

        Sherb’s been around lately.

        • Susan_Poche

          thanks Juicer – I’m the one not keeping up… so that’s good news.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        grundoon swings around every now and then and reads all the comments he missed. He’s lurking.

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          Why you think He is a He? Just wondering………..bwahhhahhhahha

          • Super Power Wogsy

            he/she seems very chillaxed. no?

            • Susan_Poche

              Yes. And very informed & level-headed too.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              very “reasonable” too.

            • Susan_Poche

              yeah – a nice quality to possess, eh?! especially when discussing scientology.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              indeed : )

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Because he’s always sounded like a dude to me. I don’t care one way or the other. But now I’m regretting that I didn’t hit on her. That happens to me so often lately.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              lately???? lolol

            • Super Power Wogsy

              o/t: the new Star Wars trailer teaser came out a few hours ago. just thought i would let ya know

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I was watching it on a loop earlier. It makes me so happy and so angry. I want to see it right now. Why isn’t it December yet?

            • L. C. Spencer

              I can’t believe I’ve let it make me get my hopes up. AGAIN.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              It looks so good! I will not let myself believe they failed again.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I dunno why Luke says “My father has it” tho. Is Darth Vader still alive? Wtf?

            • Super Power Wogsy

              that is what i thought too! and the guy in the mask. is it Darth Vader?? You know that was Christian Haydensen’s voice right??? just sayin…: )

            • Frodis73

              Wait, what? That was Luke narrating…what voice?

            • Super Power Wogsy

              no. i thought it was christian. sorry. wishful thinking on my part.

            • Frodis73

              You’ve got HC on your mind girl. He is hot, so I get it. Wonder what he’s up to lately…I’ll need to google him later. I made a tshirt with him on it from Sith…where he has that hood up and he slowly turns around all evil/sexy looking. Lol, I was way too old to be doing that, but I admit that I did indeed do it.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              He knocked up Rachel Bilson i believe. they have a baby now. acting wise he just signed up for an action movie called “Marco polo”.

            • L. C. Spencer

              I dunno how it fits into the movie, but that dialogue is lifted from the soundtrack of ROTJ. It’s all the same lines, though one is cut from the beginning of a sentence and pasted at the end of it, undoubtedly to fit the trailer footage. Here’s the original:
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDYX_PgorRY

              It’s obviously Mark Hamill’s voice, and the intonation and delivery are identical. I’m convinced that this is the SAME audio, not re-recorded, just edited remixed to sound slower, lower and uber-dramatic. Maybe it’s a flashback in the movie. Or maybe it’s not in the movie at all, and it’s just a snippet from ROTJ being used to set the scene and the mood for the new film. In other words, the events of the new movie are the fruits of that conversation in the old one.

            • Frodis73

              Me too…I hope we are not disappointed. I did enjoy the gritty look of some of the scenes tho…and the crashed star destroyer. Squeal! Off to watch for the umpteenth time.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              I know right??? The Darth Vader mask got me going! Darth Vader is my hero. I still can’t believe they pushed it back. so exciting!!!!!! : )

      • grundoon

        Hi, Q! Work got busy lately, not much time for reading or posting. Cheers!

        • Susan_Poche

          hi back atcha – good to see you – know what you mean how RL gets in the way of Bunker-time… ;-D

  • Tomas Santana

    The most important element of Marty’s interview is what the Cof$ ISN’T doing: SUING. Notice that no suits have been filed by the church for a long time now with regard to Little Davey because they know the allegations are true. I used to work at the highest levels and I can assure everyone that in the past there would be a lawsuit if only to destroy the entity putting out the information. But not now. And it is basically an admission of guilt. The church has basically been “de-fanged” as it will go to any length to keep Davey from getting anywhere near a courtroom. These kinds of shows will keep on coming, and it is going to be the death knell for it and it’s “leader”.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      What I would give for Co$ to sue!

      But LilFiveOne is caught in a perfect double-bind:
      sue and the depositions follow, DM is dragged into court and the house of cards tumbles down
      OR
      don’t sue and the opprobrium of the world falls on his bouffant-coiffed empty noggin.

      TICK TOCK

      • Kay

        opprobrium: great word !!

    • Susan_Poche

      He is not following scientology scripture very well these days is he?!

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        U on Fire!
        YES!

        • Susan_Poche

          I’m doing my homework for letters to MN reps = it shall be lightly illustrated.

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            Me too….mY purse is full of shit to go to the post office………LOL…

  • Super Power Wogsy

    The picture of Paul Haggis in the orange jumpsuit is dumb and creepy? Where did they get the picture from?

    • Juicer77

      Real picture from a photo op Guantanamo imprisonment protest.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Read the text above the pic.

      • Super Power Wogsy

        woops i missed that thx.

  • anonsparrow

    I’m submitting my complaint to the IRS tomorrow. As part of my personal experience I’m going to tell about the PI that came to my workplace to deliver a lawyer letter from LA. It was an ink-signed letter from a lesser-known law firms apparently related to Monique Yingling’s outfit.

    The PI was not cult-affiliated but I photocopied his ID on my workplace copier that day and have kept it ever since.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      You know how some people just look like they may be a serial killer? Yeah.

      • Super Power Wogsy

        nah. with a haircut, he would look pretty decent. imo.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Said the dead girl.

          • Super Power Wogsy

            i know right? which is why i need to be ordained. no joke.

      • anonsparrow

        Lol.. that’s funny JT. I will say that this guy was pretty nervous just like I was. I told him he was working for a dangerous cult and he fired back with that he was Christian and he doesn’t know anything about Scientology. (which later checking proved probable)

        And nobody’s paying me to say that either. (Except Eugene Ingram and Monigue Yingling)

        The above is a lie.

      • Dawn G

        I think his wonky eye makes him just look a little off. Okay, maybe a lot off.

        • Peggy oh!

          Oh people with two different sized eyes. Always.

          Look at Bill a Cosby sometime. o..O

          • Frodis73

            Wow, that dude has one very large eye. Creepy.

      • Peggy oh!

        All that’s missing is that middle name instead of an initial. Like Eric Leroy Miller… Eric Lafayette Miller…

        • Juicer77

          Wayne

          • aquaclara

            Did you happen to watch the show on ID last night after ours?

            • Juicer77

              No I missed it. Which Wayne was profiled? 😉

            • aquaclara

              Wesley Wayne Miller. Texas, 1981. Thanks to the victims and victims’ families, he is still incarcerated.

    • Zer0

      Misappropriated tax dollars. Nice!

    • Susan_Poche

      It is so cool to see you posting anonsparrow – bc of your videos, I can hear your voice…
      and i like it.

    • Fred G. Haseney

      Yes, thanks for commenting and posting. Eric L. Meyer is a good-looking kid (despite the “wonky” eye, as someone commented). I wonder if he’s still working PI and security. I wonder if he has since come to his senses and cut all ties with Scientology Incorporated (if he had been in their pay).

      Maybe he’s reading this, thinking about it.

      • anonsparrow

        Hi Fred. We determined early on that he was not directly related to Scientology. They always keep a buffer.

  • truth will set u free

    I watched the ID show with Marty and Claire and although it wasn’t nearly as classy as Gibney’s film, I especially kind of had a thrill at the gleefully evil depiction of.the Dwarfen Maggot. Just sayin’.

    • Peggy oh!

      Would’ve been cooler if they’d have panned away from the actor and shown him on apple boxes strapped to his feet!

    • Racnad

      Many people ask how otherwise smart people get sucked into Scientology. This show gave an excellent example of how that happens. Marty was desperate to find ways to help his brother, and it was obvious that psychiatry had no answer. The “entry level” tech (Dianetics, Tone Scale, TRs, etc.) provide appealing, logical sounding answers even if the actual results are fleeting.

    • eucliditis

      And a serious oily used car salesman

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        U guys R bad. Cheers.!

    • Kay

      “Dwarfen Maggot”? Now I am SURE of why I finally stopped lurking and joined a couple of weeks ago…every night I get to laugh out loud, a lot. Thanks, “truth”

      • aquaclara

        Welcome! Laughing is good. And it offsets the tears. Snark and J&d are even better….

  • Super Power Wogsy

    I’m surprised they would even think to try to set up a fake reporter with Paul Haggis. Don’t they know it’s going to be written about and put out into the media? Besides the stupidity and psychosis of DM, it just doesn’t make sens…oh wait it’s Scientology.

    • Tom Yozwiak

      DM has the brain & emotional make up of a tween.

      • Beth

        a teenie tiny tween

        • Mymy88

          …with tiny fists lol

      • Super Power Wogsy

        I mean cmon though, he should know we are going to read about it. The people involved with updating the Freedumb website have to feel pretty dumb about what they are doing. Do they really believe the shit they are posting?

        • Tom Yozwiak

          I don’t think it’s “they” who are posting or coming up with this childish asinine stuff.

          No – this stuff comes from the singular brain of one particular arrested development megalomaniac.

        • Juicer77

          I’m starting to wonder if the few who have access to the outside world are rapidly cutting off those media channels. Wouldn’t it be hilarious if they’re now making up fake reports for Davey to keep him under control?

          • Super Power Wogsy

            They have to. Even so, I can’t believe members that are still in can even believe this crap though. Even when i ws still in, I thought it was a bit overdramatic and glossed over with false facts.

        • Fred G. Haseney

          Feeling “pretty dumb” is all part of the Prison of Belief, as author Lawrence Wright so eloquently put it in his book, Going Clear. After 37 years in the cult, I can identify with this. Anyone in Scientology Incorporated who feels dumb about what they’re doing makes lots of “happy thoughts” in order to get by. It’s all make-believe. We’re clearing the planet, they think/I thought, it’s all for L. Ron Hubbard! Hip, hip, hooray! Without us, the world is sunk. Our eternity depends on it!

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            Agree, felt pretty dumb, used and let down for a long time. I never could stand the hip, hip.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Yep!

      • L. C. Spencer

        True this. The height of his maturity occurred back when Starsky & Hutch was on TV. (That’s my takeaway from his response to Marty’s show.)

    • Fred G. Haseney

      Re: “… oh wait it’s Scientology.”

      Priceless, that’s just priceless!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Anyone heard an update on Sherb? Sherb, if you’re listening, just stomp once for Yes, twice for No.

    • Super Power Wogsy

      i’ve seen her around THDNE.

      • Super Power Wogsy

        she’s my new Bunker auntie. she better come back.

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          Oh , she will.

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      I heard from her yesterday in a PM.
      She seemed fine.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        All went good?

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          Yeah…quick message but I think she is just fine.

        • Vaquera

          What went good?

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            she is fine. 😉

          • aquaclara

            Sherb had carpal-tunnel “no typing” surgery. Poor Sherbet. But Mr. Sherbet is on call there. He doèsn’t know that at some point, she will want him to comment for her!

            • Vaquera

              Thanks. Now I remember. Damn menopause brain.

            • aquaclara

              That made me laugh. I threw out my keys by mistake and lost my glasses, all in two days. Fixed now, but sheesh, could they give us a break? Didn’t we pay our dues?

        • Vaquera

          I just sent you an email and it bounced back.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Sorry, had to dump most emails because of computer attack. See Bury. I don’t want to post my email here.

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            You got mine eh? Burythenuts@gmail.com…………..

    • VickiStubing

      Would also love to get an update if anyone hears from Baby while RL is intruding.

    • Miss Tia

      what’s going on with Sherb? i’m scrolling down thru the comments looking for them as i wanted to let ’em know i made the chocolate snickerdoodles with cayenne pepper they told me about!! got pix too! hope Sherb is okay!!

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    I finally got a chance to watch Marty on Dangerous Persuasions episode at the ID Network. I thought the time spent on the first part was excellent. Most people don’t seem to understand WHY someone gets into this cult and usually ask that question.
    Everyone probably has a different story but it boils down to vulnerability and trusting when they seek help. These type of shows give the public what it’s like in this cult and will help prevent anyone, with a second thought or some good advice, from entering their smiling, rotten doors.

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      I haven’t watched yet..I jelly!!!!

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Jelly is as jelly does, know however, you will be eaten, my love.

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR MA!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          BTW…a week away…………..HUGSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            Yessssssss! Dolphins are waiting too.

    • Susan_Poche

      that and not enough money for door knobs…

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        snort

        Edit…can I please OUT YOU?
        Please?

        ;-(

        • Super Power Wogsy

          yes !!! please?

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            LOL…not U!!!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              they seem to like me. who is it??

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Until she lets me…………got nothin…………..

            • Super Power Wogsy

              so it’s a she.hmmmm.

            • Susan_Poche

              it’s just me… el dorko… not a big deal.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I think I know who it is. But I also think I know who the real Santa Clause is.

          • Susan_Poche

            Hi Za! I’ll take the all you can eat pepperoni.

        • Susan_Poche

          geez-louise Bury – most folks should recognize me… but to be honest the name doesn’t matter so much as the content of the comment, right?!.

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            She Is Q_BIRD………………..Sorry but you just let me…………..

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I knew it. And I’m telling Santa he’s an ass.

            • Susan_Poche

              You can call me Q. Or you can call me Sue. But you hasn’t got to call me Suzi-Q, okay?
              Funny, Qbird is my RL nick (given to me by a couple of SWAT cops) and my boss always calls me Q.

            • Jo

              Hi Sue, still feel like calling you Q. Happy to see you here.

            • Susan_Poche

              yeah, call me Q Irish girl.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              And a couple of years ago….you were a newb…and you were careful what you posted.
              You know…You, In a couple of short years have become a very special and important poster. YOU, have become something very special here Q.
              I have an affinity for you. I think many others do too..

            • Susan_Poche

              That’s sweet Bury, tks. I like listening in on this blog; the conversations were/are so, idk, mature, thoughtful, key to the subject matter. Very often this comment section is on fire!
              Brains cookin’ – engaged – firing on all
              cylinders – in love with thought and where all it leads.
              I’m interested in what you’re interested in
              because the passion for the topic is contagious.
              Baby, I’m amazed at what Tony has provided for us.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Huggs sweetie………….and now my ass is going to bed!

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Good to see you again Q. Thanks for letting Bury expose ya.

            • Susan_Poche

              It was a long HOT winter in Fla the Rev. No internet to speak of really & some issues here & there, but i’m half way back home… 2 more days & I’ll be back in the snow & cold – gah!!!

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Hopefully you got some resolution, also some sunshine on your skin. You can come visit me in the sunshine anytime when snow returns. I don’t envy that weather.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You know I’m definitely going to call you Suzie Q now, right? 😛
              Hey, have you ever heard that legend where if you’ve shaken Frank Sinatra’s hand, you’re untouchable? It was basically the premise of Ocean’s 13. Anyway, to me, the same goes in the Bunker for if Captain Howdy liked you. If Howdy liked you, you are golden. And I know he had a great affection for you. You are golden.

            • Susan_Poche

              Howdy held my hand here in the bunker J3x’s – he talked to me – I aimed at making him smile… quite fell in love with him, I did.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I think we all did.

            • “I aimed at making him smile… quite fell in love with him, I did.”

              Beautifully stated. This captures how many of us felt about him — I’d wager 😀

            • Susan_Poche

              You! you too Kiddo. 😀

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              I truly sorry for your loss, Q

            • Susan_Poche

              ours Dee, our Howdy… you know something? I swore, when I got this ‘puter, that I would never talk to someone that I had never… smelled. hahaha
              I cannot tell you how long my finger hovered over the ‘post as’. I lurked for ’bout 6 months! But hearing what I was reading & you guys, how you talked to each other… well it’s inspirin’ Dee, see!

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Love you Susan

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            I love and hug you.
            You dont have any idea how important you are to us…do YOU?

          • aquaclara

            Nice fly-in, Q! We’ve missed you.

            • Susan_Poche

              Hey aquaclara – I’ve missed being just able to go on-line. holy crap.

            • aquaclara

              How was the adventure?

            • Susan_Poche

              good & fine – Mr.Q (and I somewhat, mostly him, ya know) caught 1,002 dozen Florida Wild Golden Shiners. We sell them by the dozen & they gotta be alive.
              That’s a successful season. Keeps the wolves from the door.

            • aquaclara

              My brothers both fish, know the keys well, and would be impressed by your catch. That’s a lot of shiners.

              I beat my brothers in fishing once or twice as a kid, and still get to gloat about it now. Hope you got to enjoy some great fresh catch while you were there. What incredible seafood.

          • Hi Q!

          • Tao of Lepton

            BTN has a nose for puzzles

          • sugarplumfairy

            Q-bird!! We missed you!

            • Susan_Poche

              Hiya SPF – and I missed you folks a lot too – fer realz. 😉

    • Todd Tomorrow

      It was getting panned on here last night. It softened up Marty, for me whom I had trouble trusting. You are right that it worked with the general public in showing how easily it could be done to them. Especially, in the college years when we are all trying to figure out what to do with our lives.

      • aquaclara

        I disagree that it was panned. Our proprietor clarified his comments. Many of us thought the show was good, covered a good amount in a mere hour, and felt that those who were unfamiliar with the cult would learn about some of the horrors.

        And yes, they pulled Marty in at a most vulnerable moment.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          I agree with what you say and am happy it was clarified.

          It’s more than a moment in someones life, as they just are living with questions, problems and looking for answers. Public education, exposure is the best, so as no one will be mislead by scientology at these times in their lives.

          • aquaclara

            Oh, yes, Dee. Education, exposure, awareness….this is the key. So many high school kids don’t read papers or even much news. And if they are caught at a vulnerable moment, well, I don’t care if it’s not the 1970s anymore, people are going to fall. Inoculation is key.

            The stories speak pretty loudly. I think this helps. And Marty spoke up. Devastated by stuff in his life. Pulled in. That could gave been so many people we have all known.

            More will come, but I am cheering him along on this race. And then there is the lovely Claire….so incredible.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Oh yes, it was heart warming hearing his tale. Oh and seeing Claire look so lovely and talk so well. I was very pleased with it. Personally I always wanted to help my loved Aunt and that prompted me, plus all the upsets in own life at time. Sad thing is, I never got to help my aunt as I got stuck. Years later, she did know how much I loved her tho couldn’t help.

            • aquaclara

              I’m sorry about the story with your aunt. I’m sure she knew you were there, and cared.

    • Frodis73

      It made me wonder where Marty would be if he had not run into scientology. It was really sweet that he was willing to join the SO just to fix his brother (and others). If I remember, his mom was mentally ill too. He has a good heart and sci killed it for awhile. I believe he is finding himself again.

    • KNMF

      I doubt anyone else got this feeling but Dangerous Persuasions version of slappy and marty reminded me of this.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9_EiSaNw3Q

      • JMasiulewicz

        I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING. “Put Neidermeyer on it. He’s a sneaky little shit”

        • KNMF

          yes

  • CobGatYour$$

    I mean, what was the first clue? The”GOLDEN AGE OF blah, blah, blah!” What morons!

    • anonsparrow

      What do you mean?

      • CobGatYour$$

        Annon, my reply got skewed.

        • anonsparrow

          cool, np

      • Tao of Lepton

        He means the scilons are morons

        • anonsparrow

          i’m listening to misfits attitude right now. all is all

          • Tao of Lepton

            Good meditation music!

    • Tao of Lepton

      Yes, that should have been the tip off. “Golden Age” of Hubbardian Crap

  • CobGatYour$$

    The “Golden Age of Tech,” I mean the tricks these morons do, but their verbage is always the same. Travolta spouting that,”Why it would be a crime to watch a documentary about negative aspects of his cult!” What’s your crime, sound familiar too?

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Those fake stories (you know the media) about him hanging out in bath houses and grabbing men’s crotches might start showing up in the papers again. Worse, it might hex his good luck at getting ‘ Wining’ film roles. Boy in the Bubble anyone?

  • aurora50

    A bit O/T. Am catching up with the Secret Lives – Scientology out take videos Tony has been posting. Watching a few in a row, I have really become aware of how well prepared the interviewer was. Have done my best with my limited research skills, but can’t get any further than that it was British Channel 4 in 1997.
    Can anyone point me in the correct direction?
    her questions show a very deep level of knowledge and thoughtfulness and great prep for each specific individual she was questioning.

  • Sarah James

    David Miscavige keep your dirty hands off Paul Haggis.

  • VickiStubing

    This may have already been discussed (2000+ comments EVERY FREAKING DAY! can’t keep up!), but I haven’t seen this yet (article or Facebook post):
    http://internet.gawker.com/this-viral-facebook-video-about-mental-health-is-scient-1698255782

    • Frodis73

      Love this comment in response to somebody that posted they don’t like sci but agree with the over drugging of kids…perfect response:

      No, it is total, abject bullshit. The message of the video and the organization that created it isn’t “we shouldn’t, except in the rarest of circumstances, be putting children on mind-altering drugs”; it’s “bipolar disorder isn’t a real condition, and we should completely abolish mainstream mental health treatments in favor of the auditing sessions that provide our parent organization with blackmail fodder and lots and lots of money.”

      His reply: Word. Well, when you put it that way…

  • EnthralledObserver

    Haha… ‘we keep all the evil ones in the closet’. And that’s all the more funny because it’s true! No wonder he had to apologise to TC… probably thought Paul was having a dig at his sexuality. *snicker*

    • anonsparrow

      Wow! I never even thought of that but you’re probably right! CLOSET?! WHAT CLOSET!?

      Oh man.

    • The Dude

      Subconsciously, there are no jokes.
      He meant to say it.
      Whether he knew it at the time?
      Probably not.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Jokes always have an amount of ‘truth’ thrown in – that’s what makes them funny! I agree… he very obviously was aware of ‘some’ ‘evil’ ‘little’ ‘twats’ ‘hidden’ in the organisation. 🙂

        • The Dude

          So were they, obviously. Tommy Davis jumped on that one like a RPFer on some day old beans and rice

  • Mary Jane Barry Sterne

    What kills me is how Scientology says anyone who is critical is the one with overts! Hmmmm?

    • The Dude

      And don’t forget those withholds.

    • Snake Plissken

      You have to look, really hard to find something about Scientology that actually makes sense when critically analysed, and chances are no matter how hard you try, you won’t be able to find anything

      • The Dude

        It is actually very well done, how they ingrained the thought that you cannot talk about your case with anyone.
        That way you can’t compare notes and see that no one has any “Case Gain” at all.
        You just assume that everyone else is moving up, so something must be wrong with you.
        Vicious circle.

        • Snake Plissken

          The talk around the watercooler would get a little awkward when everyone found out they all seemed to think they were Mozart and Julius Caesar in their past lives.

          • The Dude

            I wonder what would happen if a PC said in auditing past lives, that he or she was L.Ron Hubbardash. I am sure that would be blasphemy. But if the meter says it is true?
            What do they do then?

            • Snake Plissken

              I love love to hear what would happen if a PC said in auditing past lives that he or she was Xenu

            • Super Power Wogsy

              I’m sure if they said that before they got to OT3 there would be an expensive ethics cycle. I’m sure if they said that after OT3, there would be an expensive ethics cycle too.

            • Snake Plissken

              Exactly, the PC would get shaken down for even more money than usual.

            • The Dude

              For real. If you give a service and it is faulty. A good company would do it again for free to make sure it got done right.
              If you get all effed up from auditing. They blame you or the way the tech was administered.
              And subsequently tell you that you need more professional auditing for WAY more money than you had already paid.
              Another vicious circle.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              if auditing didn’t work for you, you are an SP. It’s a vicious cycle of entrapment and guilt that makes members want to state a fake win.

            • The Dude

              Classic “Emperor’s New Clothes”.
              Who has the guts to say what they really feel?
              That it is a naked man looking like a fool.
              Group-think.
              Rudyard Kipling wrote in “The Jungle Book” about a group of monkeys that had taken over a old ruined city.
              They all chanted “We are the Kings of the Jungle! We all say so. So it must be true!”
              Nuff said.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Zactly.

            • Allie

              Oooh, that’s even better than LRonny.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Pick pieces of their brains off the floor?

            • The Dude

              R2-45

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              No. I just meant their brain exploded.

            • The Dude

              Ha. Thinking of the movie “Scanners”

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YI3NoBeNwfk

            • One Human

              Type III babywatch until exteriorization E/P.

          • ComeToPresentTime

            and then there’s always that OT3 smartass who comes along and mentions that they all thought they were Mozart because of Xenu’s R6 implants to make their heads explode.

            • Snake Plissken

              Yeah Mozart didn’t really existed he was just a movie clip the evil psych showed your glycol frozen being after you stepped out of Xenu’s microwave volcanic cooker.

          • Frodis73

            I always wondered about the auditors who audit lots of ppl…I’m sure they had many different ppl at different times claiming to be somebody famous. You would think that would be another (of many) red flags. Most people are not very educated when it comes to history…especially world history so that limits the number of people you can claim to be.

            • ComeToPresentTime

              LRH’s answer to this was the R6 implants that are in your BTs courtesy of the supreme roolah

            • Frodis73

              Ha! I should have known he’d have an answer along those lines.

            • EnthralledObserver

              “Time” is such a fightly thing in $cientology I’ve been told. In fact, I believe the whole track timeline is more of a scribble, starts, ends, sharp corners, curves and multiple lines all exist simultaneously. So I’ve concluded there is only ONE thetan… LRonny is everyone, and everyone is LRonny. But only if you’re a $cientologist. I didn’t want anything to do with LRonny, so I steer clear of the whole rotten thing.

            • One Human

              “What’s true for you…”

        • One Human

          Emperor…clothes…something….

    • Unex Skcus

      Mark Ebner’s article on Philip Gale, “Death of a Nethead“, is well worth reading.

      • Frodis73

        I was just coming to post the same thing. I have never read it before. I wonder if his mom is still involved. Very sad story all around.

  • Robert

    I love that line ” we keep all the evil one’s in a closet”, ))) Classic

  • Sarah James

    So Greta wants prayers? She can go to any church but scientology to get those for free.

    • Harmless Weirdo

      No kidding. There’s a church near my house that has a little drop box embedded in an exterior wall where *anybody* can drop off prayer requests at any time, and their regular prayer groups will pray for you, free of charge.

      That one church’s no-strings-attached willingness to pray for anyone who asks has probably given a lot of people comfort and hope in tough times. So even though I’m a lifelong unbeliever, even I can acknowledge they’ve actually helped people–while Scientology? “Tough shit, you pulled it in. And sure, we can help you fix it–for a price.”

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Like that little church. Btw, at first they don’t tell you that you pulled it in. Dianetics really tells you it’s not your fault it engrams caused by others. So yes, they will help you get rid of that for smaller amount of money and you get hooked , then the money get’s higher in prices and eventually, you pulled it in, after you’ve been pulled in. By then, you believe what’s written.

        • One Human

          Terrific analysis Dee!!

  • Gabreya Bradley

    Damn! I shouldn’t be surprised but somehow, I am. So, Scientology tried fool Paul Haggis into doing an interview with them just so they could get a hold of him since the “Going Clear” documentary. Thank the Lord that Paul and his staff saw that something wasn’t right, investigated, and scared CO$ away. Seriously. What the hell is wrong with them(CO$)? And Tom being offended over a little joke that Paul said to Steven?! Shows even more how Tom Cruise is such a jerk. You go, Paul and Co.!

  • Gabreya Bradley

    I saw the season 2 premiere episode of “Dangerous Persuasions” about Marty and Scientology. I thought it was a good episode yet it kinda creeped me out. I was holding my breath at the very end when Marty was telling us the moment he escaped from The Hole. My mother and I were shouting at the TV screen saying, “Get out! Go! Hurry!”. Lol! I think the show had another Scientology related episode in the first season. Gosh! CO$ is BAD NEWS!!!

    • Lady Squash

      The Haggis joke was funny. But from the SCN perspective inappropriate because Haggis should have tried to sell him a book instead of making a joke. No joke.

  • Vaquera

    Does anyone watch the show Elementary?
    https://twitter.com/lenzinberg/status/588891306866388992

    To add: there are still 15 minutes left. CBS now. I’ve never seen the show, but tuning in now.

    • anonsparrow

      Hi Vaquera. I’m not familiar with it myself.

      But I’m here (dammit! misspelled “here” then corrected it) hanging out in the Bunker and wanted to say Hi!

      Thanks for your continuous contributions.

      • Vaquera

        Well, aren’t you kind? Thank you. I’ve made note of your comments, as well. Cheers.

    • Jenstnick

      I love it, I’m westcoast but my dvr is set.

      • Vaquera

        Lemme know. I was just following the lead of a tweet. Saw the last 10 minutes, but didn’t make the connection.

        • Jenstnick

          I’ll get to it when I can. Have company in this week so everything is a little off. If your cable service has on demand, you may be able to find the episode there starting tomorrow.

    • gotababynamedspike

      DVR it every week. Damn, now I might have to stay up and watch it tonight!

      • Vaquera

        I only saw the last 10 minutes, so I can’t speak to whether the episode was cult-centric or not. Only info I have is from twitter.

        • gotababynamedspike

          Of course I’m watching now 🙂 Looks like its about a professional “debunker” or “skeptic”. Ohhhhhh yes….”Church of Modern Atomicis”….I see where the twitter poster is coming from. Sherlock just corrected the member who called it a church…”you mean he took issue with your cult?” I think I’m really going to like this episode. Thanks for the heads up!

        • gotababynamedspike

          AND they just referred to someone as a “Level III conduit”. Yeah, there’s something here for sure.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Is there a link to the Marty show somewhere? Would love to see it. 🙂

    • anonsparrow

      All joking aside, why would you want to watch that garbage? It’s just:

      It’s just more self-important myths from someone desperate to convince anyone who will listen that he’s really a tough guy with a lot of swagger instead of the pathological liar who for six years has continually made up tales about his days with the Church that ended in humiliating disgrace pushing a broom in a Church-owned carpentry mill more than a decade ago.

      Just sayin’

      • EnthralledObserver

        Yeah, point taken… I rather agree about Marty. But I’d still like to see it for the small nuggets of info I’d learn to get a good idea of the bigger picture. I’m a never-in, so cannot draw on my own experiences. I must rely on others. 🙂

        • Vaquera

          Actually, I learned quite a bit about Marty. Tony said Marty covered a lot of it in “Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior.” However, I find Marty’s prose tough to get through, so I’d not read it. Marty’s mom? Whoa. His brother? Whoa.

          • EnthralledObserver

            I’d known a little about his mother and brother, but I’m sure this program goes into much more detail.

            • Vaquera

              Not much time for details in this show. Moves fast. I’m interested to know what you think.

            • EnthralledObserver

              If I get a linky that works for me I’ll pop up a quick review. 🙂

          • Allie

            Same with me, Vaquera. Haven’t read Marty’s book so it was good to see the show.
            He speaks better than he writes and I learned things I hadn’t heard before.

        • anonsparrow

          Hi EnthralledObserver.

          I just want to point out that I was joking earlier about Marty. I was just re-posting what one of the Scientology sites said about him.

          I just started watching the episode right now. Need some popcorn!

          • EnthralledObserver

            Oh… haha. I actually just skimmed your reply… I realise. Must have felt too lazy at the time to read properly. I do have some misgivings about Marty, so I guess I just projected that when I read.
            Thanks for explaining.
            😉

      • Tao of Lepton

        The damage he does against the cult is worthwhile

      • KNMF

        It seems like Marty’s perceived “machismo” really gets under slappy’s skin. He’s jealous.

        • Frodis73

          Probably because DM is such a little prissy thing.

    • Snake Plissken
      • EnthralledObserver

        🙂 Thank you – I’ll give it a try.

        • Dave In Ajax

          dang , no good in canada

          • EnthralledObserver

            Not in Australia either – darn it. 🙁

            • Dave In Ajax

              only way is to get an anonymous ip address and load that in your browser of choice options

            • EnthralledObserver

              No clue how to do that… lol. Too lazy to learn. I like my entheta delivered on a silver platter, thank you. Haha 😉

            • Newiga

              How about this one? http://www.investigationdiscovery.com/tv-shows/dangerous-persuasions/dangerous-persuasions-video/a-scientologists-escape/

              Other videos work in my neck of the woods but the actual show doesn’t… 🙁

            • EnthralledObserver

              Nope, bummer. Thanks for trying. 🙂

            • KNMF

              Yep. I watched it two hours ago right on their website.

            • Captain MustSavage

              You need a VPN, EO.

      • Illinoisian

        Thanks. Worked for me.

  • Snake Plissken

    How do public Scientology reconcile the notion of being sec checked about their loyalty to David Miscavige? I can understand staff and sea org members accepting it because they work for the idiot, but why should a public Scientology feel the need to subject themselves to that when they are paying customers? And furthermore how can Miscavige even begin to claim he’s not the crime boss that runs the syndicate when he is the only person who’s loyalty members are interrogated about during these sec checks?

    • Super Power Wogsy

      My sec checs included questions about disagreeing with LRH. I don’t recall getting sec checked out Miscavige. In scientology, even if you are a paying customer, you are held to the standard of a staff member in regards to disseminating scientology and going up the bridge.

      • Snake Plissken

        I may be wrong but I seem to recall listening to an interview where non staff OTs claimed to be interrogated about their feels and intentions toward Miscavige during their costly sec checks.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Leah Remini comes to mind…

        • Super Power Wogsy

          I wasn’t an OT, so that i do not know. I do know of an OT who finished Super Power auditing, and she included COB in her win, so that would make sense.

          • Super Power Wogsy

            too bad i missed out.

      • Rasha

        I really hate it when I hear my Bunker Fam recalling going through Sec Checks. Seriously.

        Moar Hugs.

        • Super Power Wogsy

          Thanks girl. The last year of sec checks was pretty grueling for me. I couldn’t take it. I can’t undertand how the OTs can stand it either. I know they absolutely hate the 6 month refreshers.

  • Lady Squash

    The Church’s response is REALLY nasty. So nasty, who would believe it. What a@#holes.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      They are the greatest communicators on Teegeack.

      • Eileen

        Greatest until the marcabian invasion begins…

    • Snake Plissken

      You might need to send John Travolta an email to get him to explain the beauty in the cult’s response

    • Gabreya Bradley

      Assholes is right! They are a real piece of work!

  • We had a friend, who worked as a crew member on “Collateral” and “War Of The Worlds”. On “Collateral”, our friend told us that Tom Cruise was an inconsiderate asshole to everyone. He would be late for call times and disappear, holding up shooting. This was massively inconvenient, considering the movie was shot completely at night all around Downtown Los Angeles. Pissed Michael Mann of something fierce. Our friend also witnessed the $cientology tent on WOTW. That also pissed off the crew. Tom Cruise is NOT a favorite of the crews. He is rude and looks down on the crew, which is never smart. On WOTW, the $cientology tent thing pissed off Spielberg, along with Cruise’s prima donna attitude. If you look at his resume, none of the great directors have worked with him since Valkyrie. The only one who continues to work with him is Christopher McQuarrie.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Thanks, good to hear!

    • EnthralledObserver

      I did always doubt the ‘great guy’ reports I’d heard bandied about… it’s good to hear the real truth about this arrogant swine. Thank you for sharing.

      • Far from “a great guy”. Everyone hates him. If you notice, he has very few Hollywood friends. At most, he is tolerated. But, among the real Hollywood…..the people who work the crews, he is despised.

        • Tao of Lepton

          And he needs help from little Davey to get a girl friend

        • EnthralledObserver

          This is why he clings to $cientology… where the minions bow and scrape to his every whim. It’s all too hard in the real world to actually have to earn respect from others.

    • anonsparrow

      Thank you for the insight. I wish I could have been there to protest in front of those WOTW Scientology tents.

      Shit would have been epic..

      • Ben Franklin

        Hey Anon, was it you that they accused of blocking the entrance when actually on a public street or was that someone else.?

        • EnthralledObserver

          I think that was Tory, wasn’t it?

          • Ben Franklin

            Tory was earlier, recently I saw a video where they accused a protester of blockking the entrance when the protester was actually walking on public street and not blocking the entrance in any way shape or form. I thought that it was Anonsparrow.

        • anonsparrow

          Not me but certainly leveled at many others. As far as charges though I don’t recall.

          • Ben Franklin

            It was a very ridiculous argument by the church, because the protester was just walking on the sidewalk and in no way blocking anyone from entering the compound. They called the cops on the guy. If I find the video, I will post it

            • anonsparrow

              Oh I’ve got a great video for you. Just you wait here..

            • EnthralledObserver

              Waiting… 🙂

            • Super Power Wogsy

              yep waiting : )

      • That tent went over like a lead balloon with the crew. It annoyed everyone. Pissing off the crew on a movie set is never wise for the talent. Smart ones always know to butter them up. Tom Cruise is not smart.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          I’m so glad you tell us this, as I’ve heard elsewhere that the crews really like him etc.

          • Not according to my friend, who worked on two of his movies as a crew member.

            • anonsparrow

              He’s got an epic opportunity to make it all right. Will he take it?

            • Nope.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Unlike Paul Haggis, Tom doesn’t seem to have a social conscience.

            • anonsparrow

              Yes Paul is a great ambassador for the human race.

            • Paul Haggis is a highly educated individual who was rebelling from a very conservative religious upbringing. Tom Cruise had a much different background, as did John Travolta. Both are very under-educated individuals with working class backgrounds. That truly makes a difference.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Which of the other Scientology celebs could be considered highly educated?

            • Richard Elfman, Marc Isham, Milton Katselas and Greta Van Susteren. The list is pretty limited.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              I just had a scary thought: what if his cameo in Tropic Thunder was inspired by David Miscavige and wasn’t all for laughs from Tom’s point of view?

          • Maybe when he was married to Nicole Kidman and not so involved with the $cientology. But, the ones after the divorce…..he’s been a total asshole.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              That’s probably it. good to have recent info.

          • Super Power Wogsy

            Me too. I know he is not respected within the acting community as an actor, but I was always under the impression that he was well loved as a face in Hollywood. I became a huge TC fan after joining scientology, and it makes me sad that he is not as charismatic as I thought he was. I mean he makes great action movies. Must suck to be Tom Cruise right now. Eeeek!

            • Going after Brooke Shields was pretty stupid. He’s also been rude to others.

            • Captain MustSavage

              Yeah. Way to make every mother in America, sorry, the world, think you are an ignorant asshole.

            • Allie

              And Matt Lauer too comes to mind. Not a good way to earn points from the public.
              And totally unnecessary.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Did you hear that good stories about Tom before or after he divorced Nicole and returned to the fold?

            • Super Power Wogsy

              I guess I was referring to the Alec Baldwin interview. my bad. should have been more specific. public scientologists dont talk about him really.

        • Captain MustSavage

          I heard Alec Baldwin tell Lawrence Wright on his podcast the other day that Tom Cruise was generally well thought of b/c he was a hard worker and had a good attitude on set.

          • EnthralledObserver

            From the point of view of another actor… I’m not sure it’s the full truth. Not that he’s lying or anything, but it’s his perspective only.

          • Alec is not always a crew favorite, either. My friend also worked with Alec Baldwin on “The Shadow” and his temper tantrums are legendary. He can hold things up if he throws a fit.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Remember when that voicemail Alec sent to his daughter was leaked? Yikes.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              haha! yes. not THAT is an asshole.

            • My friend has worked with so many big stars. Believe it or not, John Travolta is a crew favorite. They truly love him. He is very kind to everyone, is always on time, doesn’t hold up shooting and is not a prima donna.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              What about the others? Alley, Elfman, Ribisi, Cartwright…

            • Nope…..he generally works on action films. I think he did work with Ribisi but he never said anything.

            • I had another friend who use to work at NBC…..she had very un-nice things to say about Kirstie Alley. She is quite the nasty bitch.

            • Allie

              Why does that not surprise us? Everything she says and does supports that.

            • Robert Eckert

              Ribisi I have heard is very nice.

            • Allie

              Yeah, that got really ugly for awhile.

            • Allie

              I’ve heard that about Alex on more than one occasion. Fiesty guy who speaks his mind.

            • It’s one thing to speak one’s mind. It’s another to throw temper tantrums on set and hold up shooting.

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          At least he’s not like Dennis Quaid. HEY-OHHH!!!

    • Tao of Lepton

      Apparently Tom is quite demanding about having a number of thongs available:

      http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/333182/Tom-Cruise-demands-a-thong-for-stunt-scenes

    • PickAnotherID

      A local theater here ran the 1953 George Pal version ot WoTW, starring Gene Barry and Ann Robinson, when Cruise’s schlock first came out. They advertised it as, “The story the way H.G.Wells intended it to be.”, and made more money that weekend than Cruise’s version.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Isn’t the George Pal version heavily religious near the end?

        • PickAnotherID

          In a 1950’s generic sort of way, but no more than the book.

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            Think Tom would have worked in OT III into his version if he could?

            • PickAnotherID

              Nobody would have payed several hundred thousand dollars to be allowed to see it.Even at standard ticket prices, after seeing the TV ads for his mess, I went to see the Pal version with no regrets.

      • Frodis73

        That makes me happy as a clam. 😀

    • Snake Plissken

      It’s pretty safe to say anyone that is close enough to David Miscavige to make him his best man has to be a major douchebag, but in his defense I hear he’s a really hard worker and I’m sure he is, he has to make up for being as dumb as a bag or rocks somehow.

      • He is severely dyslexic and, no matter how much he claims he has been cured by $cientology, you cannot cure dyslexia. It’s a neurological disorder and is one of the leading causes of functional illiteracy in the US. Back in the day, schools had no clue how to handle kids with dyslexia, so they treated them like they were stupid. That’s one of the ways $cientology preys on people.

        • Frodis73

          Is he really tho? I swore I had read an interview where they talked with ppl he went to school with and they never noticed him having problems reading. I think an ex gf said the same thing. I don’t know one way or another…my hunch is that he is just dumb and uses that as an excuse. I have no evidence to back this up at all. 🙂

          • EnthralledObserver

            I like your theory – I might adopt it as my own too. 🙂

          • People with dyslexia are good at faking at reading. Unless someone is tested, you cannot tell by outward observation.

            • Frodis73

              This is true, I did forget about that.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              And if one concentrates on the words and meaning, one can get it right, just slower.

          • Super Power Wogsy

            He is an actor. Not sure how smart you have to be to be an actor. He makes a shitload of money. He can’t be THAT dumb. I’m sorry.

            • Frodis73

              I’ve known quite a few actors…some are very smart and very well read because they are into literature and drama both. I’ve also met some that are dumb as a bag of rocks. TC doesn’t appear to be very bright. Who knows. I just don’t buy the dyslexia thing….like I said, it’s just my gut feeling.

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            I’m sure there are varying degrees of dyslexia. I have a very slight form, but it doesn’t hinder me and no big deal. I think he used it as an excuse after he went in.

        • Allie

          I would think that severe dyslexia would be a real problem for actors in learning their lines.
          If so, he must spend alot of time with it. Also all the reading involved in Scientology would also be a challenge. Am I off-base on this?

          • Frodis73

            That is another reason I had my doubts…even folks that have dyslexia and learn to work around it don’t go around reading a lot (at least from what I have gathered). Especially the shit LRH writes…well read folks have a hard time trying to figure out what that fucker meant.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Maybe being dyslexic is an advantage in $cientology then? Saves you some headaches.

          • Nope. George Burns was a functioning illiterate, only having a fourth grade education. But he had an outstanding memory. He would have assistants read scripts to him and he would memorize them. People with learning disabilities learn to function.

            • Allie

              Didn’t know that about George. That’s impressive. I always loved him.

        • Mockingbird

          To TC and other “cured” dyslexics the deep trance entered in Scientology indoctrination (study tech ) may seem like a cure . After all he can “duplicate” Hubbard . It is on a hypnotic level with no critical or independent thinking but hey to TC it passes for learning .

      • EnthralledObserver

        I’ve heard that about his work ethic too… but this seemed to dispel this myth somewhat.

        “He would be late for call times and disappear, holding up shooting”

        • He did this on “Collateral”. I don’t believe he did it on “WOTW” but only because Spielberg wouldn’t stand for it.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Speaks volumes of his ‘work ethic’ then… not so diligent when he could get away with it. Playing it up for the big guns when his reputation mattered. This is the opposite of hard working.

          • Mockingbird

            TC knew as an “upstate” he “deserved ethics protection ” .

            Due to our wacky economy that rewards movie stars with millions while most folks struggle to make 30 – 50 thousand a year if they are lucky AND Ron Hubbard’s insane doctrine that seduces artists by saying they are higher beings ( to stroke their egos with flattery ) a guy like TC has all the “science” he ever needs to provide “certainty” he deserves every good thing he gets . And really to big beings like him and DM the rest of us are lower life forms they tolerate and look after out of the goodness in their hearts .

            To them we really do not deserve to live but out of pity they allow it .So any rudeness or beatings should be gratefully accepted by us degraded beings .Simple really .

      • Allie

        And to invite DM on the honeymoon is even douchbaggier. (hey I like that word!)

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          What, pray tell, is DM supposed to do while TomKat do… y’know…

          • Allie

            Hey, were you thinking kinky, like I was? DM doesn’t do auditing so he’d never have
            to confess it. ha ha And if Tom ever did confess, DM would get to watch it and laugh.

          • One Human

            Operate the e-meter?

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Is McQuarrie in?

    • Allie

      Any idea if Miscavige ever appeared on a set that Tom was working on? You know, to hang out with his
      Big Being BFF. I know spouses and families visit sometimes.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        They mentioned in Going Clear that Davey hung around during Days of Thunder.

        • Allie

          Good memory, I totally forgot that. Thanks.
          I’ll bet Davey was really puffed up being there.

  • Vaquera

    FYI, Going Clear started 10 minutes ago on HBO2. I just LOVE seeing the title as I scroll my viewing options.

    • Super Power Wogsy

      nice. im going to rewatch this weekend hopefully. : )

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Whoopie, thanks It’s on HBOPE on mine. Got it!

  • Eileen

    The review by scientology will be read only by scions, which begs the question, are they trying to generate interest in the show? If I was in I would definitely be tempted to see what the fuss was about.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Yep, at least for public or those few who have friends with TV.

    • Snake Plissken

      You have to admit it is pretty hilarious that the cult put so much effort into watching this episode and reviewing in just so they can tell the members not to watch it.

  • Hey scientology, I think I might have found a way to get people to enter your Orgs…. why not try a subtle bit of renaming like this church centre did….

    • Super Power Wogsy

      HA!!!

    • Snake Plissken

      The Glory Hole Charity Shop, that is just begging for a live video feed

    • Sid

      Truly a holey place.

    • Mockingbird

      Do NOT shoop John Travolta entering there !

    • Mockingbird

      Actually a real glory hole is a much more honest exchange than Scientology will ever give you !

      • The Dude

        Oh Gawd! I spit beer all over my keypad! Funny stuff.

        • Mockingbird

          Now I have to write a post showing how glory holes are more ethical by far than Scientology ever is !

          • Super Power Wogsy

            Do It !

            • Mockingbird

              Maybe the Angry Gay Pope will volunteer to ” take one for the team ” !

            • Super Power Wogsy

              huh ?! Wha!?

            • Mockingbird

              I am not going in a glory hole !

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i am tearing up from laughter ! omfg !

            • One Human

              This is the comedy writing group I am so spoiled to read!

            • Mockingbird

              God , this will mean I will have to do ” glory hole research” ! It will have to be online as I am NOT doing hands on research !

            • Super Power Wogsy

              omg ! lol ! lol !

            • Mockingbird

              Yeah , YOU can explain my browser history to my wife !

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i just literally “laughed out loud” ! uuuum Mrs.Mockingbird. Rest assured mam that all the websites were used for research ONLY. yeah GOODLUCK !

            • Mockingbird

              Yeah ! For research and educational purposes only !!!

          • The Dude

            Whole new concept on “Body Routing” and “Fresh Meat”. (snicker, snicker. Snort!)

            • Super Power Wogsy

              WoW. i just got an image thanks!

            • Mockingbird

              And going in “the hole” !

            • The Dude

              OHHHHH!
              Nice one!

            • The Dude

              If you can mock-it-up in your head than you can make it real.
              Postulate…….

    • Mockingbird

      That is the perfect place to go to ” see what pops up and fill you in on it ! ” .

    • Robert Eckert

      The Glory Hole does not exist!

  • Vaquera

    Link to today’s Bunker article. Sums up scio’s interview attempt rather well.
    https://twitter.com/drgmlatulippe/status/588901758082142208

  • Dave In Ajax

    are there any articles here on how the money flows in scientology and who get paid what at different level. curious for example if I dropped in to the local Toronto scientology office and wrote a cheque for 100 grand where does that money go and how could scientology as a whole know who is paying what and where??

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Jeff Augustine, aka J. Swift, writes a great blog on that very subject. http://scientologymoneyproject.com/

      • Dave In Ajax

        oh wow I think it would take me a month of digging to find answers there, thanks

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          You could ask him your specific question. He seems to be a very approachable guy. And that sounds like the premise of a great post.

    • The Dude

      Love the AVI! Choo-Choo was one of my favs from Top Cat.

      • Dave In Ajax

        you screwed that up, it isn’t choo choo, try again 🙂

        • The Dude

          Sorry “Benny the Ball”. I was going by memory. I had to google that one….Damn.
          I loved that cartoon when I was a kid!
          Classic.

          • Dave In Ajax

            we have a winner, my fav as a kid , have the dvd collection and still watch occasionally

  • anonsparrow

    Sorry here it is… classic video from 2009 and cop stand-off..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHkj_z5-g-c

    • Super Power Wogsy

      It says this video is private.

      • anonsparrow

        ok thanks. let me check.

      • anonsparrow
        • Super Power Wogsy

          Thank you Sir. It is now working. : )

        • Newiga

          You, sir, are a legend! I love your videos!

        • Super Power Wogsy

          “Do you have some communication in that cooler? I’m really thirty for communication”. Holy Shit that was epic. hahaha!

          • Super Power Wogsy

            Bad boys music playing in the background when the cops show up is funny.

            edited: yt channel found

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          where is the second one ? love your videos—thanx

      • anonsparrow

        can you check that one and let me know?

    • ThePanopticon

      I miss your videos Sparrow. So great to see this.

    • Frodis73

      Sparrow-I wasn’t sure 100% that you were *the* Sparrow. Can I just tell you what a fan I am of your vids. Hey, I just did. D’oh! Seriously, you have some of the best confrontations up there. Plus, this one with Sylvia cracks me up after her big fail last summer. Anyway, great to know you are still around.

      • ThePanopticon

        What was her big fail?

        • EnthralledObserver

          Oh… that was the religious convention or something. I knew I recognised the name.

        • Frodis73

          Here is the link. If you get some time watch the video…huge fail and the public totally had her number. It was pretty great.

          http://tonyortega.org/2014/07/29/scientology-gets-a-grilling-at-chautauqua/

          • ThePanopticon

            Thank you! That was a doozy of a whopper session. Awesome.

          • TinyTyrant

            I loved that video. Scientology attending an Inter Faith Conference is the ultimate, “One of these things is not like the other. One of these things just doesn’t belong”

        • Captain MustSavage

          Oh, boy are you in for a treat. Her chatauqua presentation was one long lie fest, then little old ladies got up and asked her about all the stuff she neglected to mention. They were a savvy grey haired crew.

          • ThePanopticon

            I saw it! Wow, it was so amazing. It was like one very, very long lie. I loved the crowd. Frustrating because they only had some knowledge but boy, they weren’t having her at all.

            • Captain MustSavage

              My personal favourite was when Sylvia tried to tell someone that disconnection was okay because you’d cut off from someone who beat you, right? I was waiting for someone to draw her attention to the fact that she had just said that according to Scientology, merely having a different religious opinion to a scientologist friend was as bad as beating them up. That would have gone down well in a multi relgion forum.

      • anonsparrow

        Well thank you Frodis! 🙂

        • Frodis73

          You are welcome!

    • EnthralledObserver

      So you’re not going to move?
      No.
      Alright

      LOL!

      I don’t know the outcome of this, but I applaud anyway!

      • anonsparrow

        The outcome was he backed off and called the sergeant in. Sergeant was totally cool about it and said don’t block anybody or follow anybody.

        I have to tell you though my heart was beating pretty good during that confrontation..lol.

        • EnthralledObserver

          I hear you… well done for standing your ground though! 🙂

        • farmland

          you planning any new vids? love to watch them.

    • Captain MustSavage

      Dude, you are one of the savviest protesters I’ve ever seen. You know your rights and you’re polite and respectful and just f*cking relentless. I don’t know what they did to piss you off enough to make you leave but boy I’m sure they’re sorry they did.

    • A New Day

      You, sir, are a Great Communicator! Just steady, even-toned engagement. I see why you’re admired!

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    I’m examining the e-meter. Could anyone knowledgeable explain what this strange gear-like thing is on the tone dial?

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      STOP! DONT TOUCH THAT. That gear determines how far you will exteriorize. You could be long gone

      • XD

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Too la–

        • EnthralledObserver

          RIP Sebastian… you will be missed! 🙁

          • Super Power Wogsy

            *pouring the liquor*

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              Hey, externalization is not that bad…

            • EnthralledObserver

              Just like everything else $cientology this did not work – YOU’RE BACK! 🙂

            • Super Power Wogsy

              *pouring the liquor*

            • EnthralledObserver

              Hahaha! 🙂 Works for all occasions!

    • Snake Plissken

      It’s a counter that increments every time the arm moves a certain amount, indicating that an imaginary space alien espace from your head and is now running around in Tom Cruise’s head.

  • Gabreya Bradley

    “As the most popular and sought-after leading man in Hollywood, Cruise was given perks that few other stars could match.” It’s amazing what happens in a decade. I couldn’t help read that a couple of times and think, “Gosh. What happened to Tom Cruise?”. Even though Tom still makes a lot of money for his movies, his popularity and movie star status has been disintegrated thanks to his ties with Scientology. I think it’s pretty safe to say that he’s no longer the most popular and sought-after leading man in Hollywood for several reasons. Some other actors may have taken up that mantle but the main reason that we all know why is that it’s his bizarre and narcissistic behavior along with the influence of Scientology that has put him in a position of public ridicule and disgrace.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Excellent, thanks.

      • Gabreya Bradley

        No problem.

    • Snake Plissken

      I guess that means he won’t be adding to his total of zero academy awards Scientology actors have won to date.

      • Dave In Ajax

        oh I am sure scientology will be creating there own Oscar for him

    • Captain MustSavage

      Yeah, having your pretty young wife do a runner that required more organisation than the last U.S. invasion of Iraq probably didn’t help his public sex appeal much.

      • Snake Plissken

        Yeah losing three wives and a daughter because of the loyalty to a batshit crazy cult gotta hurt at the box office a bit, not to mention how tough it is to get into a movie when all you can think of is the guy on the screen believing he has imaginary disembodied space aliens running around in his head.

        • TinyTyrant

          Tom is the only one who can help when he passes the accident of his own career and family life. As I typed that, it occurred to me how sad a situation he is in and how he has been so manipulated. Millions of dollars, airplanes. and perhaps not one true friend.

        • Gabreya Bradley

          Absolutely. To think, he lost his first two wives by betraying and abandoning them with Scientology’s help and for his own selfish reasons yet it was his third wife who ended up “betraying” and abandoning him for her daughter’s well being and protection against…you guessed it…Scientology! His actions, how he treated all of his wives, and his sick devotion to a cult speak louder than words. The fact that he chose Scientology over his family is sickening and it has some consequences. And yes, audiences can’t even see his movies without thinking about how he’s supposedly trying to get rid of disembodied space alien spirits from his body and how his erratic behavior is leaving a bad taste in people’s mouths. And some people say that his movie, “Edge of Tomorrow”, which was released last year was a great movie but it didn’t make as much money as it should’ve at the box office. Unfortunately, he is most likely the reason. That’s an obvious sign that Tom Cruise is no longer adored because of the growing awareness of Scientology.

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      I wouldn’t say “disintegrated,” but certainly diminished. Whether Going Clear makes this process worse remains to be seen.

  • Frodis73

    Hey-can anybody help me find something? Zemoo posted a clip from The Daily Show. I guess they finally mentioned or did something about scientology. Of course, I can’t find it in the 2400 comments. Anybody have a quick link?

    • Super Power Wogsy

      The first person who finds the link for Frodis wins! Start!

      • Frodis73

        Lol! What are you giving away?

        • EnthralledObserver

          The internet?

        • Super Power Wogsy

          great now i have to start over. i was reading all the funny comments instead of looking for zemoos post gggrrrr

          • Frodis73

            I don’t feel like watching the whole damn show for a 1 minute bit. I’m sure it will get re-posted a zillion times. Maybe not though because the universe knows I am looking.

            • Super Power Wogsy
            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’m sorry, but that is the wrong answer. She was looking for ze moo’s post with the link.

            • Frodis73

              You’re right! 😛

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              So we’re in agreement, she gets no prize, right? Even if she was the one giving the prize… She can’t give herself a prize.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i found it! i found it! i win!

            • Frodis73

              Here ya go! A very hot prize. f5

            • Super Power Wogsy

              *fanning myself* *swooning* BEST GAME EVER. Now going to watch Revenge of the Sith scene. *still fanning*

            • Frodis73

              Yeah, my hormones do not work anymore, but I still get stirrings looking at him.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i shall let the oxytocin run through me for you. Best give at the bunker. Sigh.

            • Frodis73

              LOL! Yes, send me some estrogen too!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              you will be good : )

            • Super Power Wogsy

              edited gah! sorry. it was open.

            • The Dude

              Looks like something that came out of the back of someone’s dog.
              Put it back.

            • Frodis73

              Lol, oh man. So mean, but funny.

            • The Dude

              Com’on Darth Vader deserved more than some snotty kid with a photoshoped body!
              F5

            • Frodis73

              I agree, but I don’t think he’s that bad an actor…it’s the fact that George Lucas sucks at directing. He’s was young and inexperienced. Even Liam and Ewan had issues with Lucas’ directing. I don’t fault HC. Plus, Sith made up for Clones imo…barely, but it did.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              People forget that, when it comes to Star Wars, before the prequels/prequels, Lucas had only directed the original Star Wars. He is an extremely creative guy and he created this great universe, but he wasn’t the best option to make these movies. He was only the best option to write these movies. But then he lost it.

            • Frodis73

              ^^^This.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              have you seen his interview on oprah yet? it was great.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Nah, that’s one of the few Oprah episodes I’ve missed.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              oooooooh. I dig Lucas and not because he lives in the bay, but he is so obsessive-compulsive about his writing and his work. i love it. gah! you should try to find it sometime. worth a watch.

            • Frodis73

              I do remember that and it was a great episode. He is OCD and a genius. I’m forever grateful he brought SW to life. SW (along with music) is one of those things that just helped (hell, still does) me get through some bad times.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              It is storytelling. I’m a huge Joseph Campbell fan so I get what you’re saying. Star Wars resonates with the hero archetype within us all. I live vicariously through movies like Star Wars. Have you read the Eragon series? Uuugh. A great story that looked like shit on the big screen.

            • Frodis73

              No, but what I have heard isn’t good. Bummer. Some things are hard to translate to the screen…with SW there wasn’t a book. I get your disappointment. I’m a huge fan of The Dark Tower series and they are always talking about making a movie or series about it. Part of me gets very excited but the other part screams it’s going to be ruined-NO!!!!!!!!!! Like Darth at the end of Sith kinda no. Lol.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              This other cult following I’m about to get into is called “The Mortal instruments”. super excited. i finished the first book after watching the movie. : ) Do you like Elizabeth Gilbert? she wrote eat pray love. I love her.

            • Frodis73

              I have heard about TMI but have not read any of them. I’m prob the last woman on Earth that hasn’t read eat pray love. Lol. I will read it eventually I’m sure, just haven’t gotten around to it yet.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i did a double take on this comment J3. did you say “one of the few episodes I’ve missed”. Serious. you like oprah?

            • The Dude

              Agreed. I did like the last one. I watched them ep1,2,3, ect , with The Little Dude. And I was taken by the story all over again with him. Fun week with him.

            • Frodis73

              I did too…watched it quite a few times. The other two I think I’ve only seen them 2x each. Compared to the hundreds for Hope and Empire…which I will watch anytime, anyplace, anywhere. Sith made me feel most like a kid again watching. Love that you got to show the movies to your ‘little Dude’. That must be awesome.

            • The Dude

              Yeah.
              Superdad.
              I know all the superheroes. How they came about.
              I love video games.
              I make computers for him.
              He has a server system for “Minecraft” that I built for him.
              He is 7 and I am getting him into Linux.

            • Frodis73

              That makes me smile. What a cool dad he has. Your kid would love my friends kid Liam. His dad is a HUGE dork. He collects everything under the sun and is into music big time and it is rubbing off on his 8 yr old big time. If he decided to sell his collection of comics, figures, etc. he could seriously retire and have a ton of money. We guesstimated his comics alone once and we were both totally floored. Your son and his are both growing up in a *very* creative world. That only brings good things.

            • The Dude

              My comic collection is stored. Someday when he is more responsible. I will give him all of them.

            • Frodis73

              Yes, we convinced him to put some of the stuff in a safe.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              why are you hating? He is fine as hell. He is a great actor.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              ….and the haters come out

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Patton Oswalt once went on an epic rant slamming the Star Wars prequels. He was talking about how you don’t need to see the origin story of something you love. And he said “DO YOU THINK ANGELINA JOLIE IS HOT??? WELL HERE’S A PICTURE OF JON VOIGHT’S BALLS.”

            • Frodis73

              That’s nasty…and funny as hell.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i sense jealousy

            • Frodis73

              Yeah, I guess it’s a technicality. I will try and find her a prize anyway.
              J3-don’t you *ever* change! Lol.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Don’t tell him that frodo! He’s a brat!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              edited ha!

            • The Dude

              High-Chair.
              Like a 3 yr. old.
              Ha!

            • Frodis73

              I know, but he seriously slays me.

            • The Dude

              Me too. J3 is fun.
              Humor is life.

            • Frodis73

              Yes! This place is my humor!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’m thinking I might shave my beard tomorrow. But other than that I have no plans on changing.

            • The Dude

              Don’t do it! Bad luck.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You have convinced me. It is a bad idea, and I don’t know what will happen.

            • Frodis73

              Btw-I wonder if you really do have a beard…I have a feeling you do.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yes.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Like a billy goat.
              http://youtu.be/BptQHAW2T5M

            • The Dude

              YES! THANK YOU!
              Headphones please!

            • The Dude

              My man MCA got a beard like a billy-goat!
              R.I.P. MCA……

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Gone but never forgotten. RIP MCA.

            • The Dude

              F5

              Just for old times sake. I loved these guys.

              From lousy punk rock.

              To lousy rap rock.

              To pure greatness.

              MCA forever!

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=82&v=Naf5uJYGoiU

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Their transition to adulthood is so interesting. They used to rap about angel dust and Spanish flies, FFS. Then their music was just something you could dance to in a club. Then their lyrics became about telling multinational corporations to fuck off, and really heavy intellectual shit.

            • The Dude

              So totally agreed! Have you ever listened to “The Mix-up”?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yes. I prefer their earlier stuff, tbh.

            • The Dude

              Really.
              I thought that album was the full circle for them.
              To prove to the world they were real musicians.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              That’s not to say I advocate PCP or drugging women. Their later lyrics are much better. I just prefer their fuck you attitude of the early years. Better music.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              yuuuuuuuuuuuuup.

            • Frodis73

              I always forget he died. 🙁 RIP
              Now I will crank it!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              21 year old with a billy goat beard. adorbz.

            • Frodis73

              LMAO! One, thank you soooo much. Two, it was worth it. That guy was killing me about the robot. Yeah, an artificial intelligence that has access to every single piece of info on earth is going to choose to be Christian. That just kills me. Thanks again!!

      • Sarah James

        Ok, is this like a win an Xbox or like a scientology win, say like three green lights in a row? I really need to know before I put myself out there.

        • Super Power Wogsy

          game over Sj. i won already. : )

          • Sarah James

            🙂

  • Glibby

    Several years ago I got these photos of Sea Org coming home to the Anthony Building at 11pm, 12am, and 1am in the morning, after working since 7am. I never REALLY comprehended the magnitude of their isolation until I saw this. Apparently the housing is like living in kids camp, with bunk beds, 4 to a room (at least), no privacy, shared bathrooms, no freedom to do anything other than go to work early in the morning, and come back late at night. The only time the get off the whole week is Sunday morning, but during that time they have to do their laundry and whatever chores they might have, because they buy their own clothes, wash them, and have to look spotless.

    https://picasaweb.google.com/findingfamily1/SeaOrgAnthonyBldg#

    Anyway, mentioning the Anthony Building reminded me of this.

    • Frodis73

      When I feel sorry for myself because I have no life, it helps to be reminded that these folks have it way worse than I do. At least I have a computer to the outside world and nobody is screaming at me 24/7/365.

      • From83

        You and me both!

        • Frodis73

          Perspective right? The one time I’ll throw out a cheesy platitude!

    • Hamtaro

      Great pics. I noticed that in pic #14 and 15 you caught Mr. IJC himself, Mike Ellis, coming home. Weird to see that.

      • Frodis73

        Good catch. They look like the walking dead. 🙁

      • Glibby

        I know that’s what’s weird. Seeing them where they live–in this sad, shabby building is really jarring. I saw one guy riding an exercise bike in the window. I couldn’t believe it because it was midnight, and the poor guy was going to be back on the bus at 7am, and there were probably 4 bunks in the room and the blinds were broken. Apparently no one but Sea Org are allowed in the building ever. I wonder what celebrities or public would think if they could see it?

    • XIBRR (Ex SO/IntBase/RPF’sRPF)

      Wow. Heartbreaking. Brings back memories of my miserable years in the Sea Organization at PAC, before my miserable years at Int… Worst of all, I actually recognized one man in these pictures, who was there at PAC or Int when I was, and apparently has been there for the past 30 years or so at least. What a nightmare. 🙁

  • Frodis73

    This is the second night we have derailed into a Star Wars discussion (sorta).

    • Super Power Wogsy

      Can you blame us? The force is awakening.

      • Frodis73

        No. I never thought I’d see this day…still might not (knock on wood)! I can’t wait til Dec.

        • Super Power Wogsy

          i know. i know. le sigh…i thought i’d be counting the days to watch it by now.

    • Well, I’m fairly cynical at times and I really hated the prequels. I like Abrams’ work a lot, but was less than thrilled by the first trailer. So it was with some trepedation I watched the trailer on my big monitor at my studio this morning. I thought it was pretty cool looking but then I got to the end at which point I burst into tears for ten minutes. I did not expect that.

      • Super Power Wogsy

        eeeer…happy tears?

        • Super Power Wogsy

          okie. happy tears.

      • Frodis73

        I love this story. Han and Chewie…BAM! Right back to childhood.

  • Tom Klemesrud

    It seems to be a rogue staffer caught up in the excitement of all the media attention — like “(-AB-)” from the Miss Bloodybutt debacle. They actually do more good for our cause by sticking up for their “church” that assaults people.

    • Frodis73

      That is the only good reason for keeping DM in and in charge…he’s done more to bring about the end of the church than anybody! Good job Dave! Gold star for you little guy.

      • Tom Klemesrud

        Why would a cult leader want to self destruct his own church with its missions in every country on the planet?

        • EnthralledObserver

          He enjoys causing hurt?

          • Mockingbird

            He does like those nightly beatings !

        • Frodis73

          The billion dollar question my friend. He’s delusional for one. He’s just following LRH’s orders…not many options. I keep thinking he’s in on the scam but he’s not taking off with the cash. Since the movie I have come back to the idea that he does really believe this stuff. He is in serious trouble…if he was just in it for the cash now would be the time to jump ship and live in the tropics.
          eta-Also, like EO said, he absolutely gets off on hurting people and having power over others.

          • Super Power Wogsy

            yes. it is game over for Dm. check mate. he does not have many options except to hop the caribbean islands.

          • Mockingbird

            He CANNOT believe as he like Hubbard hides the crimes and failures and lack of expansion and uses conventional espionage instead of OT powers and…he hides thousands of things you only hide IF you know it is a con . Margaret Singer has explained how cult leaders are ultimately con men as they know they have no magic and hide it as part of the con .

        • Missionary Kid

          He may not want to destroy it, but he is. He’s acting from the LRH playbook, which LRH could do because all the victims could be isolated. That’s no longer true with the internet.
          DM is the king of footbullets. I’m surprised he has any lower appendages left.

          • Mockingbird

            Even Hubbard built Scientology to fail . It is a completely harmful practice . It is modeled after an abusive exploitative relationship with a narcissistic sociopathic abuser . It starts with sweet words and compelling promises . The words are all lies and very generous but ultimately empty promises for creating ecstasy and euphoria in pursuit of counterfeit dreams . Over time the relationship becomes more and more abusive and controlling .It uses trauma bonding , immense confusion , gaslighting and many covert abuses .It never delivers on any of the enlightenment or miracles it promises and when you discover this you are either rapidly put in line or discarded brutally with character assassination .

            The dynamics of an abusive relationship are the essential foundation of Scientology ..

            DM cannot reform something so fundamentally corrupt .He has no choice but to keep on abusing away or admit it is a con and cult and then he would just be replaced .

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s very well put. $cientology is an abusive relationship, based on LRH’s abuse of his followers. Just as an abuser isolates the object of his or her cruelty from their support system, $cientology has disconnection codified in its DNA.

        • sizzle8

          Because he’s crazy.

      • Mockingbird

        Other than Hubbard DM is the top Scientology destroyer in history bar none .

  • Frodis73

    OT-Omg, my local news just made a masturbation joke. Wth?

    • Super Power Wogsy

      it is a spiritual experience. horrible.

      • Super Power Wogsy

        i kid i kid… no more snarks on sex related subjects. i promise.

        • Frodis73

          I did a double take…like did she really just refer to him jerking off? Lol.

  • Sebastian L. Jackson
    • Sarah James

      Count me…out.

    • I’d give ’em tree fitty . . . but I gave it to that damn Loch Ness Monster.

      • Super Power Wogsy

        hur hur

      • The Dude

        How’d bout 25 cent, for one engram.

      • Super Power Wogsy

        I plan on looking for Nessie on my trip to Scotland. I swear she is there.

      • Miss Tia

        did they pretend to be an adorable girl scout? 😉

    • Frodis73

      for the discerning Scientology collector.

      Lol.

    • Intergalactic Walrus
      • Frodis73

        I wonder how much they are charging for this one. 15K?

      • Super Power Wogsy

        The ugliest shit ever. Who still likes gold?

      • Captain MustSavage

        Is this satire?

        • Intergalactic Walrus
          • giggler

            scientology, make the stupid more stupid (no offence to anyone reading this)

            • Mockingbird

              Doh !!!!

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Someone who Tweets needs to reply:
            “Spoiler alert: Xenu did it.”

          • Captain MustSavage

            Has anyone been kind enough to save him the 10k by tweeting the Xenu story? The whole story could be done in a series of tweets.

            • Mymy88

              LOL LOL!

            • flexible

              I think he meant 10K marathon….I think.

        • Frodis73

          No, this guy posted about not auditioning for HBO anymore, but luckily there weren’t any on his radar. I tweeted back and asked if he was going to stop auditioning for NBC, SNL and Time Warner too.

          • Bleuler

            Science don’t know the history of gold, Scientology does!

            • Mymy88

              You’re being glib, Bleuler. I still don’t know what that word means. I should really look it up someday.

  • OMG! LRH himself interviewed by HG Wells in this hilarious podcast!!! Obviously picking up a new meat body messed up his recall of what star system he was a race car driver in and the precise details of OT III, but apart from that a MUST LISTEN.

    http://thedeadauthorspodcast.libsyn.com/chapter-45-part-1-l-ron-hubbard-featuring-andrew-daly

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Yep, and I’ve started referring to him as the “Chancellor of Arby’s”!

      • I liked the bit about 890 Communists infiltrating the Scout Jamboree, and LRH foiling them by leading them into an underground network of caverns containing over 3000 bears.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          And him being told not to use his feet! LOL
          And I believe that a real conversation with him would have been him throwing out all kinds of zany notions and lame-ass stories, expecting everything to be believed completely. He was the Jon Lovitz SNL character “‘Tommy Flanagan, The Pathological Liar,” come to life!

          • Mymy88

            LOL, yeah, that’s the ticket.

        • Mymy88

          lol

      • Mymy88

        Is that like the Royal Governess of the valley of the shadow of going broke and killing yourself? (reference to her fiance).

    • Mockingbird

      In some pics Ron Hubbard resembles a demented Benny Hill .

      • Mymy88

        Oh my gosh, so true! lol Here’s a funny video with the Benny Hill show theme song playing in the background lol. It’s an off topic video but you made me think of it and it’s so funny.

  • Tauseef

    The best and only way is to get an anonymous ip address and load that in your browser of choice options. Just get vpn for this purpose and enjoy internet freedom: http://vpnranks.com/purevpn-anonymous-web-browser/

    • Dave In Ajax

      and this paid advertisement sponsored by ??????

      • Tauseef

        LOL. that’s my own choice not any advertising if you wish to choose go for it 🙂

      • Mymy88

        Sponsored by “The More You Know” – Learn this now if you don’t want your dog killed?

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Crap! they are actually getting donations!
    http://www.gofundme.com/rz3k8s?fb_action_ids=10153187731428815

    • Super Power Wogsy

      Good old Chelsea and Brittany in the OC.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Good Grief! You’ve gotta know things are going badly when even Chicago Cubs fans are mocking you! HA!

    “Renovating Wrigley Field — And Its Cultish Culture: Losing is one thing, but the false narrative about the North Side’s idyllic “Cathedral” shares common ground with the Church of Scientology.”

    “I couldn’t help but draw parallels between Cubs fans and Scientologists as I recently watched Going Clear.
    In the recent HBO documentary, former Scientologists detailed their experiences within the church; how it lured them in with promises to solve all of their problems; how those problems never actually went away, they just got worse and worse over time while Church leaders grinned plastic smiles and pretended everything was swell. Over the decades, the “church” grew and thousands more forked over obscene amounts of their hard-earned money, chasing the same false promises. Outsiders viewed the group as weird, but probably harmless, and the leaders placated the members with mythology, propaganda, and an environment of pure delight. All the while, bits and pieces of the façade cracked and crumbled amid excuse after excuse.

    Like with Wrigley, there are even celebrities to make Scientology look hip!

    Wrigley Field is the Church of Baseball Scientology. Rooting for the Cubs has been ludicrous for years — and every time fans like me swear it off, we inevitably prove ourselves liars and get drawn back in. The stadium is a dump, and has been for a long time, but don’t you dare desecrate the holy ground with your critical words.It
    was well over two-and-a-half decades before I “went clear” about Wrigley, in no small part because it was all I had as a Cubs fan to be proud of. https://medium.com/the-cauldron/renovating-wrigley-field-and-its-cultish-culture-a377e41502b7

  • Super Power Wogsy

    ZZZZzzzzz…It’s quiet : ) Lindsey’s orchestral version of “Elements” from the Dracula movie. Night.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqtKpLUd3Ng

  • ThePanopticon

    Well Grant Cardone finally weighed in. https://twitter.com/GrantCardone/status/588947141965586433

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      What an A-Hole!
      And he just ripped into the only man on the planet who respected him. HA!

      • madame duran

        I’m still in shock that anyone would admire him, to be honest.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Hard to believe, isn’t it.

          • Mockingbird

            In our…less than ideal economic system some value people based on income .

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              But how long before he’s sharing a studio apartment with Richie Acunto?

            • Mockingbird

              Well, I have heard he is a multimillionaire and continues making money so in Scientologese he is “upstat” , despite a reputation at ESMB as a total douche .

            • madame duran

              His douchiness comes off of him like cartoon stink waves.

            • Mockingbird

              It is a meme at this point .Grant Cardone A- hole gets written hundreds of times .

            • Mymy88

              You have a way with words. I like it lol!

            • giggler

              that one never fails to give me a laugh

    • Captain MustSavage

      Oops… your ignoranus is showing.

    • Mockingbird

      Is Mr.Cardone referring to Freedom magazine ?

    • Intergalactic Walrus
      • madame duran

        At least Cardone responded to this guy (unlike wimpy Bodhi Elfman who Twitter blocks people at the first hint of “entheta”). I had sent Grant a message last week and he didn’t reply. Perhaps it was just before he got briefed on “Going Clear” and, until then, he couldn’t formulate a response on his own? Anyways, he didn’t block me.

    • dungeon master

      Argh! I wish they could hear how bizarre the words they choose sound.. Silence or a mild statement to the effect that they have no interest in seeing their religion attacked on the big screen (how many Christians didn’t see Jesus Camp or other church exposés?). They have to snarl in the world’s face and call people criminals. Good way to convince people of your moral superiority {{yeah right!}}

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Their over-the-top responses and attacks just reinforce the growing opinion that they are barking mad and a must to avoid.

      • L. C. Spencer

        Right? The only Christian I can think of who would react this way to documentaries about Church crimes is Bill Donohue (Catholic League founder, president and almost only member), and Christendom at large generally views him as the paranoid, hate-filled nutjob he is. Tons of Christians watched those docus and even contributed to them, and those who weren’t happy about them reacted as you described (I have no interest, they’re biased, etc).

        Whereas, in Scientology, being vicious isn’t just accepted, it’s mandatory. It’s policy. It’s SCRIPTURE. Literally.

        Amazing.

    • Mymy88

      It’s okay that I snipped this from Mike Rinder’s blog, right? It was from yesterday’s Thursday Funnies. I just thought maybe someone needs a good barf tonight. I already had mine when I came across this lol.

      • Mockingbird

        This shows how Scientology and the whale class including DM and TC value people based on wealth . Notice how he went from zero to millionaire . This implies he was worthless without money and is a “winner” with money .

        Look, I know I need some money in this society BUT a sizable and influential segment in Scientology very nearly completely value others and themselves based on wealth alone .

        • Mymy88

          Sometimes I wonder if a lot of Scientologists are driven almost crazy with jealously and resentment. How can you be happy when contending with that all the time? Maybe they just thought block it “oooo, I’m so jealous.” “I’m not jealous, I’m happy and excited to be a Scientologist”. Rinse repeat thousands of times. It’s so weird.

          You just know it has something to do with strong psychological fuckery being used on them. I think it’s one of the most fascinating aspects of the whole Scientology society, as heinous as it may be. But it’s also one of the most difficult things for people who are unfamiliar with these kinds of tactics, and are not particularly aware of this aspect of Scientology, to accept.

          I dearly hope if Gibney does another documentary, he will get in to this.

          • Bleuler

            Any religion that makes you want to be like Grant Cardone is inherently evil in my book.

            • Mymy88

              If Grant Cordone and Barney Fife were the last two men on earth, I’d go with Barney Fife lol

            • MrsLurksALot

              Barney Fife was a good man.

            • Mymy88

              You just reminded me of a joke I heard from a comedian. He says: “Aging rock stars… how do they do it? Some of them are unstoppable. But I’ll tell you, you know Mick Jagger is getting old because he’s starting to look Barney Fife”.

      • giggler

        such a wanker

        • Mymy88

          lol …and douche bag extraordinaire.

    • L. C. Spencer

      Stay classy, Cardone!

  • It’s too late RTC/OSA. Face it.

  • PappeKak

    Dang. I think R2D2 is actually taller than the dwarf tyrant mannequin.

  • Dave Reams

    Why does Scientology practice self flaggelation? They want to throw play stupid games with Paul Haggis, a high profile critic who is being interviewed daily by the worlds leading journalistic outlets ??? What possible outcome could be favorable for Scientology? If Paul were cruel he would have documented the “interview” setup on tape and film in conjunction with an investigative news team and then gone in with a hidden camera.

    • Mymy88

      I don’t know but, it’s like they have down shifted into “stuck on stupid” gear.

    • Newiga

      Because LRH said so.

      • Mymy88

        There ya go.

      • Dave Reams

        Speaking of LRH … does anyone know the LRH policy on washing windows? Is it newspaper and water or is soap, vinegar, or saliva used?

        • flexible

          Newspaper, water and vinegar. 0) Did it.. on the high seas…worked too..not a streak anywhere. Filthy hands though.

        • Newiga

          Only Sea Org blood, sweat and tears. 🙁

  • Who will scientology try to smear this Friday?

    • Mymy88

      Eh, I’ll go with the Dalai Lama.

  • fancy making a few youtube comments?

    (Travolya’s new Breitling ad)

    https://youtu.be/l8uwadgO5OI

    • Mymy88

      Modest much? Eww, it’s like he was channeling the Cardone vibe, but in a more “trying to be sexy” kind of way.

    • hansje brinker

      Time: Very abberated.

    • Jenstnick

      Dont ask don’t tell was repealed and it’s all gone to shit.

  • Pierrot

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  • Richard Grant

    Morning, Bunkeroos! My wicked cat woke me up early.

    Somebody ought to make an online quiz: Who Said It – A Seventh-Grader or a Scientologist?

    This latest piece of trash-talk about Marty Rathbun is just so childish. I’ve become sort of a critic of Marty recently, since he got on this new “both sides are stupid” kick. But there’s no question he’s an intelligent and articulate guy who comes across as very sincere and credible in interviews like this. And all Scientology can manage in response is a sneery little schoolyard taunt. As Dave Reams asks in a comment about Paul Haggis, “What possible outcome could be favorable for Scientology?”

    They’ve actually gotten worse at this. Their efforts to insult Leah Remini after she left the church were ineffective and kind of nasty, but at least they showed some restraint. Their anger was more crafted or calibrated. I remember one statement in which the church struck a tone something like, “Believe it or not, we’ve got more important things to do than concern ourselves with petty allegations of this minor actress.” Not in those words, but that was the tone: haughty and infuriating, but that’s what they intended — to portray themselves as serious and superior.

    But wow, they’ve thrown that out the window. It’s like they’re having a full-blown tantrum and they don’t CARE if the stupid grown-ups are looking. This is what you get for picking on me you big fat SP!!!!

    • BosonStark

      Marty comes off as thoughtful, sincere, perceptive and articulate. If people want to hear a rambling blowhard, a few minutes of most any Hubbard taped lecture will do. If they want to hear staged and bloated, then any Miscavige speech will do.

      • L. C. Spencer

        Nicely delineated 🙂

      • Rita Gregory

        Spot on, BosonStark!

  • BosonStark

    Fascinating article in Salon this morning:
    Secrets of the Scientologists: Why people do horrible things for belief
    “Going Clear” gives a glimpse into how indoctrination really works. A 20th century tragedy reveals even more.
    by Peter Finocchiaro
    http://www.salon.com/2015/04/17/secrets_of_the_scientologists_why_people_do_horrible_things_for_belief/

  • Jonathan Cummings

    Scientology is getting attacked by the media like never before. Movies, books and television programs are exposing the abuses of the illegal business masquerading as a church like never before. What we really need is for the IRS to revoke Scientology’s tax exempt status. I would love nothing more than to hear the high school dropout head of this horrible organization Scientology have to tell his flock that the IRS has changed their mind and they now are classified as a business and will be taxed accordingly.

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    schmucks are schmucks !

  • skippy

    Wow! This group is out of control. We could have another Waco on our hands. Stay safe guys.

  • Fuji

    Lol “gasbag” wtf

  • ANONYMOUS

    F**k this cult!

  • Roger_the_Shrubber

    These people are evil.

  • Rosie0208

    It’s a tough thing to walk away from everything you’ve been taught is right and true. I admire the courage of the people who’ve walked away from their church. I was not a Scientologist but it was just as hard for me to walk away from the church I was raised. Religions that tell you, “everyone else in the world is wrong in what they believe and they’re going to hell” is not something I want to be involved with. I don’t know if I even believe in “hell” in the traditional sense. I just got sick of the church leaders telling me on one hand to develop a personal relationship with God but if I didn’t have a relationship with God that was exactly like theirs, then it was wrong. It was like trying to tell me the kind of relationship to have with family or a spouse. Relationships are a unique and personal thing. My relationship with God shouldn’t be like anyone else’s otherwise it’s not personal.

    • Zana

      It was very difficult and disorienting for me to find out the Scientology was based on lies and deception and was only out for the money. I was only in for 10 years. It took me a while to make the money to do the auditing…so not all of it was intense. I was never in the SO. I just thought it was an organized group working their way to enlightenment one-by-one as well as saving the world at the same time. It was a huge crash to find out the exact opposite. Whew.

    • juliebean123

      Rosie?

  • ArtemisRose

    No surprise, Scientology is dishonest and conducts covert activities, they are never forthright!
    My guess is that if? Scientology was honest and requested an interview with Paul Haggis, he would have agreed to an interview with Scientology.

    From what I’ve read about Paul Haggis, he is a man of integrity.

    • ComeToPresentTime

      Well yeah he says right in this piece that Freedom Magazine asked to interview him, sent him questions which he answered and was ready to send back, but he would only send them back on the condition that they agreed to run the interview unedited, which is definitely something such a propaganda rag will never do. Of course with him being a SP he knows that any and all Scientology entities consider him to be fair game, and thus ok to lie to, trick, steal from and even kill.

  • Robert Ramsay
  • Sydjazz

    Now where can i find dangerous persuasions?

  • Peter C.

    Is Scientology writing North Korea’s press releases?

  • juliebean123

    I just finished Lawrence Wright’s book Going Clear,after having watching the documentary. Having an aunt that was a top auditor,and escaped to my parent’s home from the Clearwater cult,only to get amnesty and return BACK to the cult a few years ago….the Documentary opened my eyes beyond belief,the book,even more. Who is it,that is in “the hole” and has multiple sclerosis? Is he still there? I have Multiple Sclerosis,and reading that made me sick!!!!! sick!!!!! This is illegal in so many way’s,I am almost speechless!!!! Last time I saw my aunt was this past xmas…I remember she slithered out without saying goodbye to anyone…I also remember,I gave myself an injection of one of the disease modifying drugs,we with MS,take,in hopes to slow down the deterioration of the coating that surrounds our central nervous system. In the past,and growing up….we had to tip toe around my aunt,when she would come to visit and “do not mention to——that you are taking any medications” Well,I recall,taking my injection in front of her,and her slithering out shortly after. Who needs to have their head checked,I ask you? I am appalled,and would join any mission to take this cult down. Is that man,with MS,still in the hole?????

  • Ali

    I just saw this news… oldy