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Announcing a new video series — The stories of young Scientologists not told in ‘Going Clear’

FenceA year ago, we brought you the story of a family ripped apart by Scientology’s ‘disconnection’ policy. Gayle Smith had been a longtime staff member in the Philadelphia org who found herself “declared” a “suppressive person” in 2011, cutting her off from the church and everyone in it. That included her son, Aaron Smith-Levin, and his three children. But she defied the church, continued to see her son and grandchildren, and that ended up getting Aaron tossed out of the church and his kids kicked out of a Scientology school.

Also last year, Tampa Bay Times journalist Joe Childs reported another stunning case of disconnection. A woman named Sara Goldberg was forced by church officials to choose between her son, Nick Lister, who had been declared, and her daughter, who remained in the church. Her dilemma became a key highlight of Alex Gibney’s documentary, Going Clear, which began airing on HBO last month.

Now, the two young men from those stories, Aaron Smith-Levin and Nick Lister, are teaming up to create a new YouTube channel that will feature the stories of other young Scientologists who grew up in the church and believe they have a unique view of it.

Gibney told us that his first cut of Going Clear was four hours long, and there are many stories he wanted to tell besides what fit into the final, two-hour version. Young Scientologists and their stories of growing up in the church was one area Gibney said he would like to have had more time to tell.

In 2008, several members who had grown up in the church started a website, Ex-Scientology Kids, which had a big impact on the media, and helped shift the public narrative about Scientology from something that was purely the subject of ridicule (as seen in a South Park 2005 episode, “Trapped in the Closet”) to an approach that was more about the abuses and control experienced by second- and third-generation church members.

Smith-Levin, who does research for hedge funds, has the resources to match his ambitions, which are, he told us, not only to interview other former Scientology kids, but also to try to correct a lot of misinformation in the media about the Scientology life.

“I want to describe why people get in, what they get out of Scientology, and what makes them stay in so long — and not just the controversies and abuses that so much of the media is about,” Smith-Levin tells us.

He filled us in on what’s happened in his life in the last year, when we wrote about him but he couldn’t, at that time, talk for publication.

 
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“My wife Heather was given the ultimatum to divorce me or be declared. She said she wouldn’t divorce me, so she was declared,” Aaron says. “Then her mother and father were forced to disconnect from her. They live a mile down the street from us, but I haven’t seen them in a year. Heather was also fired from her job at a local Narconon [a Scientology drug rehab facility], and our three kids were kicked out of their Scientology school, the Washburn Academy.”

Heather’s parents own the house across the street from them, and about a month ago, Aaron says, he and Heather spotted them there. “Heather crossed the street to talk to them, and her mother refused to come out of the house.”

Now, Aaron wants to tell similar stories about what former Scientology kids go through. His first interview: Nick Lister.

Nick’s story is a powerful element of Going Clear, even though he doesn’t appear on camera. His mother, Sara Goldberg, talks about sticking by him even though it meant her daughter chose to disconnect from the both of them.

 
Nick_Lister

 
Nick, 27, has many more experiences in Scientology than the family drama shown in Going Clear — he spent years on staff, for example, and at one time tutored the sons of Bob Duggan. “The entire experience of Scientology is fascinating, whether you were born into it or joined,” he says. “For me, this project is personal. It’s about redemption. And it’s about getting knowledge about the church out there. Aaron and I want it to be entertaining and humorous and not only about the abuses. It’s not going to be like True Detective.”

Aaron and Nick are in Florida, but they’ll be getting post-production help from former church members Nora and Cameron Crest, who are in California. Although Aaron has the resources he needs to fund a YouTube channel, Nora and Cameron are raising money to cover their equipment costs, and yesterday revealed crowdfunding projects at Kickstarter and Indiegogo, posting a teaser trailer which shows the high production values they’re going for…

 

 
Smith-Levin says the first interview video should debut in about a month. We’re looking forward to it.

 
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L. Ron Hubbard on your TV

We’ve been hearing from folks that they’re seeing a “new” Scientology ad about L. Ron Hubbard playing on their televisions. Here’s the video that Scientology put on its YouTube channel last month…

 

 
But we’re pretty sure this is just a warmed-over version of a Hubbard ad that Scientology actually put together a couple of years ago. Everything in it is very familiar. And hilarious.

 
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Larry Wright and Alec Baldwin on ‘Going Clear’

Baldwin was in the audience on opening night at Sundance, so you just know he’s been itching for this interview…

 

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

A Russian Scientologist gets her US citizenship…

 
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Meanwhile, in Mexico City, it’s like there’s a fundraiser every week. This time, the costumes included a Frida Kahlo!

 
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Scientologists are using social media more than ever. Drop us a line if you spot them posting images to Instagram or Facebook!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 14, 2015 at 07:00

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  • Mymy88

    Ooops sorry, never mind. On the second pass I see it’s old news. I missed it on the first scan and I swear! I looked! I think it’s gone now anyway. SORRY! Bad doggy! Bad bad doggy!

    Re: Babbitt & Johnson and Weil Quaranta Law Firms Challenge Scientology’s
    Religious Status in Federal Court

  • ElleGee

    Kinda OT: Well, finally got a comment from ‘elle’. I noticed they call people ‘derps’. WTF is a derp? Term of endearment? lol

    • Scream Nevermore

      Usually means you’ve said or done something daft/foolish.

      • ElleGee

        I haven’t had the privilege of being called one yet, but I’m sure its coming because it seems to be in the verbal arsenal that ‘elle’ uses when he/she can’t think of something else to say such as bigot, evil, racist, yada yada yada.

        • Scream Nevermore

          Yeah, they run out of insults pretty quickly!

    • kemist

      http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Herp+Derp

      But never heard of someone being called “a derp”.

      • ElleGee

        It seems to be one of those fall-back-on words that ‘elle’ uses when s/he runs out of other words to insult with. Hasn’t called me one, yet, but hey there’s still time! 😉

        edit/add: thank you K for the link.

        • kemist

          Probably thinks it’s edgy to call people that because it circulated on 4chan 10 years ago. In a few years she’ll be posting lolcats.

          Keep at it elle, perhaps one day you will arrive in 2010.

          • ElleGee

            LMAO! I’m an old fogey so I guess I’ll stick to the insults I know.

      • Observer

        Oh, now that gives me a shoop idea …

    • Mymy88

      Oh nah, not her again. I thought she crawled under a table somewhere, with her tail between her legs, a while back.

      • ElleGee

        haha I guess not. She seems to be over at the Hollywood Reporter, Rolling Stones and TMZ comment sections. She and ‘waterhorse’ are comrades and commiserate with each other.

        • Mymy88

          mmm, so those are her hang-outs. I can’t resist checking out how ridiculous the things she is saying now are. I mean jeeeez, after all of this stuff going on, and the public starting to listen, ella must be making herself look more inane than ever. I bet it’s really Kirstie Alley lol.

          • ElleGee

            LMAO!!!

            • Mymy88

              Three Hot Messkateers lol

    • Ardent

      “Derp” is, I believe, a noise made to indicate a stupid mistake or a person prone to stupid mistakes. It has something in common with Homer’s “D’oh!” and Lisa’s “Meh”. I can only guess it is lifted from some cartoon.

  • El_Jeffe

    If only 10% of the stories told at Ex-Scientology Kids were told in a documentary the results would be nothing less than dropping an atom bomb on the Cof$. It is one thing to hear about adults getting abuse. People can justify it and say, “Well they deserved it for getting in to a cult.” But when you hear about children who had no choice but to join, whose parents drug them in to the organization and then sat by and let their children be abused then it gets real and people take notice. Child abuse and human trafficking of children is NEVER justifiable and will get a huge emotional response from anyone but the most callous individual. I am all for more of these stories to be told in documentary form and being published broadly!

  • beauty for ashes

    I don’t know why I’m so angry that that girl is dressed up like Frida Kahlo. Maybe because she gave my brave heroine Bert from Sesame Street’s eyebrows. Frida is beautiful bitch!

    • ElleGee

      BFA: I was mad too when I saw that. And I didn’t really know why I had that reaction, other than FK was so much more than her trademark eyebrows.

      • beauty for ashes

        Not enough coffee to express myself! Blerg! But thank you elly G, you said it!
        Btw three great Frida exhibitions right now, two with Diego Rivera, in Ft Lauderdale, Detroit, And New York.
        http://nsuartmuseum.org/exhibition/kahlo-rivera-mexican-modern-art/

        http://www.dia.org/calendar/exhibition.aspx?id=4608&iid=

        http://www.nybg.org/frida/

        • ElleGee

          If I could go to NY and see this exhibit and some others that I have been pining to see it would be fantastic. One time when I was visiting Chetumal, Mexico I was invited to dinner at a home that had a FK and the colors in it were mesmerizing. I wish I could remember the name of it. After some, ahem, many tequilas I was lucky to know my own name.

          • Ardent

            I think I must be the only person I know who truly dislikes her work. It’s weird. Enjoy freely, obviously! But I just feel like I’m not in tune with her. Oh well.

            • ElleGee

              I feel ‘off’ when I look at some of Picasso’s work, so I get it. I learned to appreciate her work and understand it better when I had to do some research on Ignacio Ponceti; Dr. Juan Farill was a Mexican surgeon that performed some of her spinal surgeries and FK painted a self portrait with her and Dr. Farill. In it, as in all her other paintings, the symbolism in her art is her poetry. She also painted Dr. Farill with a ‘unibrow’ when in fact, he did not have one.

            • Ardent

              Funny thing. I was at a large exhibit of Picasso’s work. It displayed something from each of his ‘periods’. Now, I’m really into modern art and abstraction, abstract expressionism, etc., so I’m not coming from some “my kid could paint that” pig-ignorant attitude. I was truly shocked that I left the gallery feeling disturbed. I had only been turned-on by ONE piece. (No, Guernica was not on display). A childhood hero had completely disappointed me. I no longer put Picasso up on the pedestal he once occupied. FYI may faves are:
              Van Gogh,
              Mark Rothko,
              Jacson Pollock,
              Brigid Riley,
              but that’s just today…Ha ha. Funny old world.

          • beauty for ashes

            Oh sounds splendid, I would love to go to Mexico, if only for the colors and flavors.

    • Vaquera

      That org has a different costume theme party/fundraiser every weekend. Remember ¡Vasolina! from last month? Same group. I think this was a Mexican heritage themed fiesta: Dress as your favorite figure in Mexican history. It was supposed to be a compliment.

      Love me some Frida and I’m TOTALLY stealing that idea this halloween.

      • beauty for ashes

        Just don’t give those eyebrows please? I’ll give you some tips to draw a more authentic eyebrow!!!!

        • Vaquera

          I’m follicle-y challenged, but my sister is gifted. I’ll use her as a templet.

  • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

    I have a lot to say on this subject:

    1> I saw a reference from LRH some time ago that says “One of the oldest tricks in the universe is to tell
    someone it is not OK or safe to look into some area”. This totally applies to those who won’t look on the net
    for themselves.

    2> BTW, I saw a master index of the subject at INCOMM Org in the early eighties which was word-indexed, so
    that one could find anything. This has obviously been suppressed so you might not find what you wanted.

    3> DM declares anybody and everybody Suppressive, so those not looking for themselves are real fools who are
    being suppressed without realizing it to DM. Thus they are “PTS”, or under this EVIL influence without being aware of it. DM declared 570 people who were Mission staff persons simultaneously, none receiving a hearing. This of course decimated the formerly very most productive area of Scientology.
    He also declared virtually all of the people who were at Saint Hill, and the list gets expanded monthly.
    OF COURSE IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT THE ONE DECLARING EVERYONE IS THE SUPPRESSIVE.

    4> Persons doing the Disconnecting are believers, assuming that Scientology is the path to “Total Freedom”.
    It is not, never was, and never will be.
    If Hubbard thought so he would have come back long ago to clean up the mess.
    Hubbard is NOT coming back, of that I have certainty. (I will skip the how on that, as too many don’t
    understand spirits now.)

    5> I have done extensive research on everything connected with our actual Spiritual future, discovering
    serendipitously that there are many “Tech’s”, disciplines, and actual practices where one can DISCOVER
    FOR ONESELF the true path. None of these are religions, which are ALL cults in my book.
    Initially trying to push everything through the Scientology Implant filter I could not understand what I studied.
    However I persisted and continued to discover more and more pieces of the puzzle that actually fit together.
    (I hasten to add that this is an ongoing project, but I know where we are headed on this planet, without any
    doubts.)

    6> The key point to make here is that those DISCONNECTING are doing so for a completely non-existent reason
    as the concept of “Total Freedom” does NOT exist in Scientology.
    They are being made complete fools of by buying into this Fantasy of a man who was crazy, psychotic, manic-depressive,
    paranoid, schizophrenic, an egomaniac, and downright cruel (look up what he did to others on his ship).
    The way he treated women is a complete revelation to his mental condition. (I am a man.)
    So those doing the disconnecting, besides being fools, are setting themselves up for a future fraught with
    negative repercussions. Any “religion” that does that to family members, is not even a religion, much much
    less any road to salvation or ascension, both North of the area of religion. 100+ spiritual levels exist above
    the Human-Earth level.

    7> In summary those of you Disconnecting are screwing yourselves as well as the other family, job, school, etc.
    members. Sooner or later you will realize this. Continuing to the “OT” levels is dangerous for many.
    For one thing the rate of cancer contraction goes up considerably above average. I will not give reasons for
    that here, but I do understand it.
    The honorable thing to do is NOT to Disconnect.
    Read your Code of Honor, if you want to hear it from LRH directly.

    Also you could read about other shunning religions and what happens to those people.
    A former Scientologist I know, Grace Aaron, a very fine woman, also has a website on shunning, and has lost
    her son to that practice.

    8> I hope at least one stops the insanity on disconnection from this post.

    Thanks for reading a long post.

    • Ardent

      I read it, and you make some points. This concerns me, though: “but I know where we are headed on this planet, without any
      doubts.)” Sorry, but I can’t really give carte blanche to that kind of sweeping statement.

      • Lucille Austero

        *nods head in agreement*

      • Scientology Is A Dead-End Road

        The main trap of Scientology is we trusted someone to show us the way.

        You will discover where you are headed, only within your own consciousness.
        No one can take you there. It is a DIY project, and the answers are all within yourself only.
        Religion is a trap and a distraction from the path you want to take.

        For myself, I have found the first door to open only. It probably leads to more than one of the
        100+ higher levels, but still only a fraction of those.
        That took 10,000 hours of research and reading to be certain.

        I have guides, but am only at the incipient stage of the game with or without them.

        Remember it is a DIY (Do It Yourself) game.

        I will give a one word hint: Ascension >>>Google and start reading.

        I would like to say that my search alone has accomplished three things:
        1> Scientology is a dead-end road.

        2> I have met some amazing beings who are down the road further than myself.
        3> I have had substantial case gain from these activities, and it is of a type that
        is not subject to relapse as much of Scientology seems to be, for myself and others.

  • Cosmo Pidgeon

    I finally saw Going Clear due to an enterprising young man. An extremely well done film and I could sense the shock of someone that had no idea. We here in The Bunker are familiar with the stories and some have lived similar ones,
    One image shocked me. Tell me if I didn’t see this. There were two still shots with Church Executives and IRS officials after the church was granted tax exempt status. The first was a usual pose of suits. The second however looked like a promo picture from “A Hard Days Night” with the same people jumping or in a cheering like pose. If these were IRS officials, something smells rotten to me. I understand getting rid of 2400 law suits but this image looked like everyone had just won the Lottery. Including certain IRS employees.
    Am I getting too conspiracy theoretical? That is not my nature.

    • ElleGee

      That 2nd pic hit me the same way CP.

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        Thanks. So I wasn’t imagining that.

        • ElleGee

          No sir.

          • Ardent

            No way. You were right.

    • Beth

      that frat house picture was a disgrace

    • Tom Yozwiak

      Well – as part of the IRS agreement to grant $cilon tax-exempt status, $cilon paid the IRS $12.5mm. Soo, was that a bribe? Dunno, but it’s on the record.

      • Tony Ortega

        Paying the IRS $12 million of the $1 billion you owe is kind of the opposite of a bribe, don’t you think?

        • ElleGee

          Its a knat’s fart in a windstorm.

        • Tom Yozwiak

          Of course, but it seemed strange that they had to pay anything at all since they were deemed tax-exempt.

          • Tony Ortega

            Yes, on future earnings they were tax exempt. But they still owed a billion dollars in back taxes. So you see just what a cave it was for the IRS to take only $12 million.

            • Tom Yozwiak

              Ok, I see. I didn’t understand all the nuances of the agreement. It just struck me odd that they were paying this $12.5 mm, then we see the pic of them celebrating together.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              which its after they were all harassed—good photo op for DM

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              disappointing really

            • Tom Yozwiak

              Exactly

            • flyonthewall

              you can plainly see from this picture we are all happy friends, so absolutely no one strong-armed the IRS

            • http://www.skippress.com/ Skip Press

              Miscavige learned “pay to make it go away” a long time ago.

            • Ardent

              Shocking, really.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      i think in the movie they said they were celebrating.

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        Most certainly….A little too much maybe for giving away a billion dollars.

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          yep i was so surprised at the pic.

          • Ardent

            It’s revolting.

    • kemist

      Saw it too.

      They looked very happy alright. Perhaps they received another substancial, uhm, “encouragement” to grant them tax exempt status.

      Are any of those guys still working at the IRS ? Have any of them been offered cushy jobs in companies that have links with scilons after their “retirement” ?

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        That’s what I was getting at. I don’t know the answer but that tends to be the Washington way for some people.

        • kemist

          Yep.

          Kind of like your minister of finance being thanked for deregulating the market with a nice job at a hedge fund.

          That’s why I do not believe for one second the “experts” in economy that advise governments. Especially as what they say makes no freaking sense… Unless you’re a rich fucker looking at some more millions in your bank account on the backs of an increasingly poorer middle class.

          And it’s not just Washington, it’s everywhere. Our own government is spewing endlessly about “austerity” and “paying the debt”, firing and decreasing work conditions for its own employees while giving away cash to mining companies in the name of jobs – jobs that will be temporary and/or fickle (because they depend on the market price of metals) and will cost an untold amount in infrastructures that will inevitably left to rot one day. And that’s not even considering the environmental damage.

          • Ardent

            Frankly, the universe is too complicated and full of uncertainty. Everything is so up in the air that the only thing an honest economist can do is make a decent guess. I actually heard this from my broker while we were talking a few months ago. I was rather cheered to know he was realistic. Governments as a rule do try very hard to keep as many people happy as they can (in the free countries). I don’t get too exercised when a plan fails: it’s to be expected, really. The main point is: does this person want to actually help people from all walks of life, or is this person willing to sell out to the highest bidder? There really are honest politicians, but they are not always ‘clean’.

            • ElleGee

              Your last sentence is food for thought, indeed.

            • Ardent

              Thank you. I think particularly in American politics (which for some reason I am rabidly fascinated by) there is an absurd degree of nit-picking and ‘invention of issues’ whenever anyone runs for President. People are all tangled up because Hillary cleaned up her server. Now in what kind of paranoid thinking does that means anything at all? The world considered her an excellent Secretary of State. She’s not some spy, or evil-minded person with a hidden agenda….I get so tired of the nonsense. I often have hissy fits about not being able to vote in American elections. I often argue that since the U.S. is so ridiculously powerful and influential, the PLANET should be allowed to vote for President with a 20% total toward the Electoral College. Dream, on, Ardent.

            • kemist

              There are complex phenomena in economics, which makes intervention uncertain on a case by case basis.

              But these people have very well known patterns. It’s not the first time they go on about the debt, not the first time they fund infrastructures for mining companies in my province, whole villages which exist for less than a generation before getting abandonned because there is nothing else to do when the mine dries out or the price of metal crashes and no one sane who wants to stay in a place where night lasts 6 continuous months and trees grow about a foot in 60 years.

              Quite a few of these short-lived villages have been closed already, and the government (us) had to partially support the losses and relocalization of people whose houses were suddenly worth the price of a VCR.

              They know this. But they’ll do it because mining companies are much better at funding election campains and giving them well paid jobs after they leave their post as ministers than nurses and teachers.

    • Guest

      Not only do they look happy but it seams odd that most of the people in the first photo aren’t in the celebration photo. Maybe they didn’t receive any party favors… *refresh*

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        Thank you. That’s the two pictures.

      • J. Swift

        This is wrong on so many levels.

        • One Human

          Is that DM doubling over with laughter?

          • Techie

            I think he is taking a bow, as though it was “all Dave’s win”. Behind him, spreading his wings to welcome a whole new world is (I think) Norman Starkey, I don’t recognize the others. My guess is this is the legal team and the Scientology execs, and they are smiling because they just pulled one over on the IRS.

          • http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page RMycroft

            The commissioner insisted on one free punch as part of the secret deal.

    • Guest

      Not only do they look happy but it seams odd that most of the people in the first photo aren’t in the celebration photo. Maybe they didn’t receive any party favors… *refresh*

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        Does anyone know the names of these people?

  • YNDOT

    Since Lawrence Wright’s book came out, I’ve been trying to engage my pacifist sister into reading about the abuses in Scientology and couldn’t get her to read the book. I’ve been pushing the documentary and she has not shown much interest…and then I received this email from her today…

    I will never EVER watch anything that Tom Cruise is in. I will never pay to see another one of his movies. That goes for John Travolta, Kirstie Alley, Jenna Elfman, etc. I will never pay another dime to anyone associated with that sick cult. And SHAME the fuck on Tom Cruise, knowing that those Sea Org people are slaves, and having them do all of that free work. And what he did to that girl. He’s a PIG!

    Guess who has finally watched Going Clear?!

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      ALF?

      • YNDOT

        ALF and Xenu? That is out of this world!

    • ElleGee

      I was watching an old movie the other night that had Bridget Fonda in it. I started thinking, what ever happened to BF? So I looked her up and she hasn’t really been in anything since she married an Elfman. Maybe she is a stay at home scibot? Couldn’t really find any info.

      • Vaquera

        IIRC, Danny Elfman is not a scibot.

        • One Human

          YDRC

        • ElleGee

          I didn’t know. Saw Elfman and thought, uh oh. My bad for assuming.

          • Vaquera

            No worries. It’s hard to separate the Elfman name from the chult.

        • arcinva

          I knew he wasn’t and thank God for that! I’m not sure I could handle it if he was. Of course, I’m not sure he’d be as brilliant as he is if he was one of them.

  • J. Swift

    The stories of children growing up in Scientology are powerful and disturbing. When I was interviewing third generation Mareka Brousseau and she told me the conditions under which her Scientolgist grandmother committed suicide I was stunned. And then the Church covered up the suicide and even took the suicide letter linking her grandmother’s death to the Church. This particular video has 15,000 listens in one month and is still going. Mareka’s earlier interview has even higher listens. I don’t know how many parents and young people Mareka has reached and kept out of Scientology or the Sea Org. What I do know is that Mareka is courageous for speaking ou.;

    Growing Up Scientology: From Cradle to Slave is well worth funding. The Surviving Scientology YouTube channel Karen and I started is now in its third year and has 12,067 subscribers and and 3,965,348 views. YouTube is very effective in reaching people and telling stories about the very dangerous and depraved Church of Scientology.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr04IG-VL6Q

    • ElleGee

      Great interview J!

    • Tom Yozwiak

      BTW, J – been following your vids for a while – you do great work! Very well done in fact. Keep it up!

      • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

        Hear hear! The howling of the trolls (on WWP, for instance) is a constant reminder of how good your work is.

    • Mymy88

      I have always loved those ‘Surviving Scientology’ series of videos by Jeff Augustine. I wanted to cry when I had fininished watching all of them. I’m glad he’s still doing them. I wish he could do them more often, but I do understand he has an IMPORTANT side project or two! Go Jeff!

    • thetastic

      Mareka’s story about the oranges makes me want to cry.

  • Sarcasmo

    It would suck to get fired from your job and have your kids kicked out of school because of $cientology, but when the job is working for Narconon and the school is a $cientology academy there’s a definite and immediate upside.

    I wonder if it would be possible to sue the school and Narconon for religious discrimination? I couldn’t fire someone because they are Catholic, Jewish, Pastafarian, or even a $cientologist so why should they be able to?

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      I guess. But would the end result be getting your job back at Narconon and having flat tires every day?

      • Scream Nevermore

        The courts could order them to pay compensation in lieu of the job.

    • flyonthewall

      you can actually fire someone for being Pastafarian. You can even beat them like a dog and it’s perfectly legal

      • Sarcasmo

        I would never fire someone solely for being a Pastafarian. Especially if they came to work in full Pirate regalia.

        • flyonthewall

          For real, you may have to give them a raise and a promotion

          • Sarcasmo

            Fo’ realz. Authentic pirate regalia ain’t cheap.

    • chukicita

      This is why these awful “religious freedom” laws such as recently attempted in Indiana are relevant and scary.

  • flyonthewall

    The kickstarter fund for Growing up in Scientology is up to $1623! It was only at like $360 around 8a central time. $1200+ in a few hours is not too shabby :) Spread the word to friends and family to show the cult what straight up and vertical is all about!
    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/80844052/growing-up-scientology-from-cradle-to-slave

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I was trying to donate for hours. I was sending them some money, but my computer started making this whhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrr sound, so I called my techie neighbor over. He said you can’t put dollar bills in the CD-rom or whatever, and that the internet doesn’t work like that. Fucking nerds.

      • flyonthewall

        I’ve worked in many call centers and have heard co-workers’ stories about talking to old ladies who did actually jam their credit cards in the disk drive and would wonder why nothing would happen. I think one of them must have been you

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Are you Janice from Compuserve?

          • flyonthewall

            Maurice from Netscape

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Okay. I really love your peaches. I want to shake your tree.

            • flyonthewall

              GET YOUR HAND OUTTA MY POCKET!!

            • flyonthewall

              For some reason I thought a Malcolm X assassination joke would fit in there somewhere but now I’m having doubts

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yeah, that was weird, because usually Malcolm X assassination jokes kill.

            • flyonthewall

              you took a bomb and made it da bomb!

        • Mymy88

          LOL Fly. I believe it and I believe this age old standard – Press any key. “Where’s the any key?”

          • flyonthewall

            yeah I can never find that one, so I just made my own any key and stuck it to the keyboard

      • One Human

        Watch “The IT Crowd”, you’ll learn a lot.

        • Mymy88

          Yeah…

        • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

          This show is the best in the universe.

          • One Human

            One of many British shows I have fallen in love with.
            ‘The Haunting of Bill Crouse’ and ‘Aunt Irma Visits’ crack me up just thinking about them.

            • Miss Cabbage

              “Friendface” and “The Dinner Party” have to be my favorites.

        • Vaquera

          Is it anything like the HBO series Silicon Valley?

          • One Human

            Have not seen it yet.
            Probably not too similar, being that it’s British.
            Little Britain is another great comedy show; skits with recurring characters.

        • Miss Cabbage
          • One Human

            Already liked it, but when they did that episode, and also had the Guy Fawkes mask in their office, I became a fan for life!

          • Dolly Jones

            Heheh.. I remember that episode. Damn funny.

        • Dolly Jones

          Love the IT crowd. Wish they had made more.

      • Scream Nevermore

        Back in the days when we used 5.25″ floppy disks, I was working in IT support. A colleague got a call to go and help someone who was having problems accessing info stored on one of those disks. When he got to her desk, she’d carefully cut the covering off half a dozen or so disks, and fed them into the PC’s floppy drive. Awesome!

      • Techie

        You put a dollar in the cup holder? Were you born in a barn, J3?

        • Ardent

          HA HA HA. After a second’s thought, I barked with laughter. Thanks.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          That’s silly. You’re supposed to use a credit card.

    • Vaquera

      Did my part this morning!

      • flyonthewall

        *high five*

      • http://www.progfa.com Jan Petersen

        Me too!

    • Techie

      I put my penny in the pot, it’s a good cause.

    • Techie

      Up to $2023 now (2:47 EST).

      • flyonthewall

        Nice!

  • Illinoisian

    Time to point out this link again for all those who are new — in the last couple of months– to the Bunker. And it fits in with today’s post about young and 2nd generation Scientologists, and abuse and disconnection:

    5 Disturbing Things I Learned in Scientology’s ‘Space Navy’ By Robert Evans, Derek Bloch
    http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1328-5-disturbing-things-i-learned-in-scientologys-space-navy.html

  • Ruby Grapefruit

    His wife was fired from her job at Narconon after she was declared. I totally don’t get that because, after all, Narconon has nothing to do with Scientology. Scientology said so, so it must be true.

    • Ardent

      Hey, you’re right!

    • Tory Christman

      To any one lurking, thinking “Maybe I WILL send my child or loved one to Narconon, here is the fact, and not a joke: Narconon is *totally* part of C of $, Inc. They report their “Statistics” up to RTC which Runs $cientology, Inc. 4 people died last year, following the Narconon Program. Look, learn, listen to both sides before you give them a dime. They will NOT give you your $$$ back, either.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Kind of gives Heather extra credit to her humanity. She and her family were involved in scientology, her job was with scientology Narconon, her kids were in a scientology school. She was neck deep.

      Yet, she chose love. When Tony first reported the story, I didn’t think she would.

      I hope we hear from her more.

    • From83

      Sarcastic Statement of the year “Sceintology said so, so it must be true.”

  • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

    Nice! This is awesome!

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Ain’t it just, Derek.
      I want to see you interviewed in there too.

      • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

        We’ll see! I’m just looking forward to seeing the stories.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          That’s a polite answer, but we all know it’d be a crime if you weren’t included in this series.

          • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

            Oh hush! Don’t try to start shit ha. I might be polite, but I’m certainly not disingenuous. I’m in a good place right now and that’s more than wecan say for hundreds of other ex-Scientology kids. I don’t suffer from that kind of self-importance.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              It’s not self-importance. You realize I’m a different person than you, right? :)

            • aquaclara

              I’m in this chorus too, so here goes. I hope you get a chance to participate in this because you have valuable things to say. You also got yourself out, saw things for what they were, and are making your life what you want it to be right now. And you’ve lent a helping hand to others. So there you go.

              I also think that Nick and Aaron would enjoy meeting you. And vice versa.

            • Suppressive Tomato

              Looking good by the way, kid! Like the facial hair. Freedom suits you.

            • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

              Your experience matters and you express it well. Please have a go. (The experiences of all other kids in the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology matter, too; it’s not like you’re more special or anything 😉 😉 )

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      We will see you there, no? Yes?!

      • http://askanex.wordpress.com/ Derek

        Not as far as I know.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          She has her own blog. I hope we will see your story there. This is just starting, I take it, so hope you two can get together. I’m having trouble pulling up her website.

          I’m getting a “Account Suspended” error message. What’s that about?

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            You were banned a while ago, but I guess no one ever told you. Kinda like Milton in Office Space.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I did not get that memo!

          • Basketballjane

            My site, along with all our clients sites were mysteriously hacked today. Hmmmmmm. Been working all day on getting it back up.

  • chukicita

    I was wondering if anyone knew about the bars on Hubbard’s uniform…seems like way too much for what he did, but I’m a Marine brat, not a Navy one.

    • Ardent

      I THINK two bars indicates Lieutenant. And he was, for some strange reason.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      I think E-girl did a ton of research on it – it seems to me we had discussion on it about 6-8 months ago.
      She’s around, mebbe she’ll pop up to give the details.
      My takeaway was the bars were as fake as the medals, as fake as the man and as fake as his legacy.

      • Ardent

        Yeah. But in this photo, Pan, I think he’s wearing legit Navy.

    • Ardent

      Okay, I hearsaid it, and it looks right: a lieutenant. Here’s tha link:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Navy_officer_rank_insignia
      Dorky-looking bastard, IMHO.

      • chukicita

        I was looking more at the bars above his pocket…

        • Ardent

          Ah. I think even this jackass would not bedeck himself in fakery for this type of photo at that time. Certainly he aggregated more decorations as time went by and he became increasingly hubristic. But for this shot? I doubt it.

          • Beth

            article from NJ.com was linked here the other day – has a couple of choice bits like – even when the war had been over for 4 years, Hubbard still walked around in his uniform to impress people. Like a Halloween costume. Loser.

            http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/04/scientologys_jersey_roots_religion_got_its_start_i.html

            • Ardent

              Big loser. It’s pretty uncool to wear your uniform after hostilities have ended and a year has passed. I can understand keeping it in shape for Nov.11, and ?Veteran’s Day. But sashaying around in 1946 wearing it? Pffft!!

        • Scream Nevermore

          This might help you work them out, but basically he’s wearing medals he’s not entitled to: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/warhero/medals.htm

    • Missionary Kid

      Lieutenant in Navy = Marine/Air Force/Army captain.

      • Ardent

        That’s interesting. I wonder why the difference? I know the USAF was the USAAF during WWII – it was a branch of the Army. I suppose Naval pilots were in the USNAF? I’m curious.

        • Missionary Kid

          The Navy and Marine Corps don’t have separate branches for their aviation components. One is simply a Naval Aviator. The Army still has aviators flying helicopters and light aircraft. Marine pilots are Naval Aviators, and they wear Navy Wings.

          In the Navy, only a Naval Aviator can command an aircraft carrier.

    • Sejanus

      I am pretty sure it is all bullshit from the shoulders down and the neck up.

      • Ardent

        Well, yes. He’s a sack of shit. But this photo is not incriminating. I am pretty certain this photo, taken during the War, is 100% real. What’s going on inside that mind though….Not so healthy.

        • Sejanus

          I don`t know..the uniform looks like he slept in it. The glasses are just wrong in every imaginable way and the guy filling it…well too much to be said about him and none of it good..lol

    • PickAnotherID

      The ribbons above his pocket are awards he’s been given, some of which have associated medals, some are just given as ribbons. As near as I can tell there are eight ribbons, most of which amount to “I was there” type awards.

      It’d be easier to tell what they are if the picture was in color, but none of them appear to be a Purple Heart.

  • Garbled

    Goose-pimples and teary eyes. I am so happy they are doing this. Our stories need to be told.
    Thank you Aaron, Nick, Cameron and Nora and everyone else who will tell their story for having the courage to openly talk about it.

    The things we were put through and the expectations of us as young children are ridiculous and outrageous. Can’t wait to watch the first video.

  • Tory Christman

    My now Ex-husband, Harold Bezazian, was basically born into Scientology. His parents started using “Dianetics” with L Ron Hubbard back in 1950. His parents seemed like “True believers” in that they stuck with Hubbard..his Dad through OT 7 (soon after, he died, after quoting: “My win for OT 7? Now I can give $$$ to the charities *I* want” <<< Truefax!)

    His Mom made it through OT 8, as did he, and what a mess he was after that!
    I woke up in July of 2000 and escaped out. He remained "in", no doubt after a huge "handle" (lies fed to him about myself and my new, free friends: Ex-Scientologists and Critics). This is a great topic, Tony and thank you!

    When I escaped out, I knew 4 younger Scientologists who had taken their own lives. Now that I think of it, ALL of them were children who grew up 2nd generation kids. I now know of 12 that I personally knew, either the young Scientologist (mostly in their early 20's) or their parents where their child has taken their own lives. Scientology rants on about how "awful psychiatry is"…yet what about all of these suicides? What IF any one of them could have talked with ANYONE other than Scientologists? My guess is many, if not all of them would be alive, today, IF they could have.

    If you're "in" and feel "there is no way out"…LISTEN CAREFULLY! There IS a way out. Walk over to the nearest DOOR, Open it, WALK OUT. We are here to help you. There are TONS of friends who are out, now. I was shocked at how many people are out and free. Love to all :) Tory/Magoo (PS: If you need someone to talk to, please give me a call: I've helped many people on their way out. (818) 588-3044)

    • Ardent

      You always hit home to me, Tory. I was not aware of the distressing number of suicides. It is criminal. I also think that psychiatry is good and helpful – maybe I’m biased? Maybe psychiatry helped me not once but several times deal with dark depressions and anxieties? Hmm. Yes.

    • aquaclara

      Tory, your message is so important. I hope anyone reading here who is still in sees that they are not alone, that there is a way out and that there is help.

      • Tory Christman

        I honestly think that is one of THE worst things for younger people: They feel there
        IS No way out, and often they have one parent “in” and one parent out….each telling
        them “Scientology is awful!” “Scientology is the greatest thing”. When I escaped out,
        I told my son: This IS my fight—not yours. I am your Mom and that’s all that matters”.
        He’s not a Scientologist and has thanked me many times for keeping him out of all
        of this. I only mention it hoping it may help some parents.

    • Mymy88

      YOU are not alone. There IS a way out! Please, please read Tory Christman’s above post. She can tell you how!

    • Mockingbird

      Tory helped me and was the very first person I told I was leaving the cult after three immediate family who are not Scientologists . She has been extremely helpful and kind .She is very down to earth and understanding .

      I recommend anyone who needs a voice of compassion and reason about Scientology or leaving call her .She walks the walk when it comes to helping and knowing what she is talking about . I have had many conversations with her where I felt she was honest and realistic and also encouraging . She has through her videos and personal interactions helped thousands of people . She , like Tony Ortega , is a true hero in my eyes .

      • Tory Christman

        Thank you so much, Mockingbird….:) I greatly appreciate your kind words. It’s
        truly been an honor to hear I was able to help you—-sigh—SO happy you’re out
        and free and here!! :) <3

    • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

      It’s friendly out here. I’m pretty damned sure it’s more friendly then the best day of “doing conditions” in the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • Sidney18511

    How the real life role playing game of scientology keeps people playing, but not for too much longer.

    https://medium.com/@gregkarber/scientology-is-a-game-872a0214d7a9

    Excellent older article that all wogs and ex’s will enjoy reading!

    • anonsparrow

      Yes that is a fascinating read. Thanks!

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser
  • Richard Grant

    A lot of Bunkeroos are getting interested in Twitter lately, and a lot of us are feeling frustrated and confused by the whole environment/experience/culture/network or whatever it is. I’m confident that, in due course, a Bunkeroo will sit down and write a guide to Twitter for SPs and post it on a blog somewhere for easy reference. In the meantime, here are some words of wisdom from NOLAGirl:

    “Enter #Scientology into the search bar. Check out the results. You’ll quickly begin to recognize people from the Bunker and other critics. Follow those people if you’d like and you’ll find your way around. It’s easier than you think. ; )”

    Here’s what I would add as a personal observation. The whole Twitter experience, for most of us, is determined by WHO YOU FOLLOW. Tweets from those people will show up in your Twitter feed. In fact, they will BE your Twitter feed — you’ll see their tweets (i.e. original messages) and their retweets (other people’s messages they’ve chosen to pass along). So you may want to start by following people who show up in the upper left corner of Tony’s site, starting with @TonyOrtega94.

    I’d also recommend @Scientology_411 — I don’t know who this person is, but he or she seems to read every Scientology-related tweet on the net, and retweets everything he or she finds noteworthy.

    By following just a couple of people to start with, you start to discover other tweeple, including many Bunkeroos, who you might decide to follow.

    Even if you never tweet anything yourself, you can enjoy Twitter very much as a kind of finger-on-the-pulse of what’s happening (or at least what’s being talked about) in Scientology, or any other topic you might be interested in.

    When it comes to posting tweets of your own, here are words of wisdom from Newiga:

    “If you use the right hashtags, e.g. #goingclear #scientology, you are more likely to reach more people. ;)”

    To which I’d add: You can address your tweet to a particular user (or users) by putting that person’s Twitter handle at the VERY BEGINNING of your tweet. For instance, a tweet that reads “@blownforgood Don’t forget the hot sauce” will go directly to Marc Headley and will NOT show up in the feeds of people who follow you.

    If you want the whole world you see your tweet, all you need to do is place a single character (a period is the usual thing) before that person’s handle. For instance, “.KirstieAlley Could you possibly be more vulgar?” would go out to the entire twitterverse.

    Maybe someone hipper than me can suggest a Scientology “starter kit” of accounts to follow. Also take note when Bunkeroos post their own Twitter handles, as this is a clear sign they welcome new followers. (I am @richardgrant but be advised: I don’t tweet much, and seldom about Scientology — no particular reason why except that I never feel I’ve got much to add to what is already a lively, witty and well-informed conversation.)

    I’m sure others have greater wisdom to offer! But maybe that’s a start.

    • Vaquera

      When putting a dot/period for the whole world to see, don’t forget the. “@”. So it would be .@KirstieAlley

      • Richard Grant

        Thanks! (Corrected in an edit.)

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        See, already I’m lost. What happened to the hashtag? I thought you had to hashtag everything.

        • Ardent

          Yeah. Bloody innovations. Sometimes they piss me off. (Not really) (Well, not all of them)

        • Dibythesea

          You hashtag a theme/subject. Like #SeaOrgAbuse

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Ah so. If i wanted to tweet to Kirstie about sea org abuse it would be:
            .@KirstieAlley#SeaOrgAbuse

            yay, nay?

            • Dibythesea

              Yes but put a space between her Twitter address and the hashtag like @KirstieAlley #SeaOrgAbuse

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Okay, that was easy. Thanks all. Now let me spring outta my rockin’ chair and see Mr. Twitter about an account.

            • Dibythesea

              You inspired me to sign up too.

            • Richard Grant

              And generally you’d want *some* content besides the name and the hashtag. Like

              .@KirstieAlley Did you read Tony’s blog today? #scientology #seaorgabuse

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I don’t know if I’m ready for the Advanced course. :0 Thanks

            • Dibythesea

              What’s great about the hashtags is that you can do a search of Any subject and every tweet with that hashtag will come up and then you can RT or Re-tweet them to the world or just your followers.

              BTW- I am not on Twitter yet but due to the bunker I have been educating myself on how this works.

          • Richard Grant

            Or you can just IGNORE HASHTAGS. They’re a convention going back to the earliest days of Twitter, intended to make it easy for people to search for a particular topic. You can still use them that way. Or you can just ignore them and search for “Scientology” or “Hillary” or whatever, and get pretty much the same results.

        • Vaquera

          Think of @KirstieAlley as an email address. So, if you sent a tweet that said:

          @KirstieAlley I really think you suck thetans

          It would go directly to her and wouldn’t be searchable to others. If you wrote:

          .@KirstieAlley I think you really suck thetans

          Then anyone searching for @KirstieAlley would see it, as if you sort of hit reply all. Did that help? Hope I haven’t made it worse!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            tks. I do want to be able to help promote Tony’s book when it comes out, as well as help on other matters. Helps much. Thanks.

            • Ardent

              Yeah. The book! He’s really lucky about the timing, I think. Let’s hope it makes a dent in the NYT book-lists!

          • Dibythesea

            Thanks I didn’t know that tip.

            • Vaquera

              Derek taught me last year. Just paying it forward. :-)

          • Ardent

            You mean the period or dot makes the thing public?

            • Vaquera

              Yeppers

            • Ardent

              Ta!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks for this. Yay, NOLAgirl. I had asked her about Twitter too recently. I like it. SP and other Geezer’s Tweeter Starter Kit.

      • NOLAGirl

        I am still waiting for you to come play. :)

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Got one more chore to do and then I will dive in.

    • Lucille Austero

      Also, I like to follow all the prominent (heh) $cibots, like Grant Cardone, Krusty, as well as the official $cientology sites, just so I can see what they’re doing. Beware, if you snark at them or say anything that could be construed as trolling, they will block you. But sometimes one just can’t help oneself.

      • Richard Grant

        There must be a German word for “the satisfaction derived from being blocked by an odious individual.”

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          “Gesundheit?”

          • Ardent

            HA ah hahahahaha…Good one!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Pfeffernüsse is the only other German word I know, and there’s nothing sweet about a Cardone.

            • Ardent

              Oh, that guy really is dreck (German word!). I feel angry just looking at the smug elder-abuser. I really feel wretched for his late mother. What an unenlightened asshole he is!
              By the way, have you returned to your avatar name for a particular reason. I will not mention you true name, just in case? Are you being ‘gamed’? God, I hope not!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Just so I recognize myself in the mornings before second cup o ‘coffee :) No, nothing since last week. Must be an OSA holiday or something.

            • Ardent

              Ha. OK, my friend. Glad nothing sinister.

        • Scream Nevermore

          Twattenfreude?

          • Ardent

            Oh, that’s really clever! I like it.

            • Scream Nevermore

              Danke! 😉

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Winner! Bunker bakers – can you whip up a dozen Pfeffernüsse for the lady? k, tks

            • Miss Tia

              i had to google, i mean hearsay, them….oh they look delicious!!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              allspice lots of it

            • Miss Tia

              dammit, i don’t have cardamom or anise seed or i’d make ’em right now!! maybe i’ll just make gingersnaps….i still haven’t tried this one recipe i found that lists cayenne pepper in the ingredients…..

            • Ardent

              You MUST get some real cardamom seeds: they completely ROCK a great many otherwise ordinary stews, soups, etc. Just delicious. And it also makes a great tea.

            • Miss Tia

              I think that’s an expensive spice….that’ll have to wait….i like spices that are versatile!!! more bang for your buck!

            • Ardent

              You know what? If you live in a city of any size you probably have at least one shop for the Indian and Pakistani ex-pats. You’ll find all you need for cheap in one of those places. And the smalls in such shops is extraordinary! You’ll think you’ve stepped into a magical kingdom.

              OK- I meant ‘smells’, but the error is funny, I think, so there ya go.

            • Miss Tia

              huh, i wonder if Nepalese use it?? there are a couple Nepalese grocery stores around here….i wonder if their items are in english though…..the neighbors we have have very limited english….i feel bad, i smile and say hi and they do the same and then that’s it….if you ask them how they’re doing, they don’t understand you….i suggested to the international institute—who works with them—that perhaps they could give neighbors some phrases so we could communicate—even “how are you?” “it’s a nice day isn’t it?” eddie tried to help his nepalese neighbors put out side walk salt this winter—the man was using a teaspoon just sprinkling it (they have never experienced winter) and he said “let me show you” and the man didn’t understand what he was saying or doing…..it has to be frustrating for them too….

            • Scream Nevermore

              They use it a lot, Tia.

            • Miss Tia

              thanks!!! i lack cultural knowledge—in addition to a language deficiency!

            • Ardent

              Your comment makes me wonder if maybe you would be interested in reading travel narratives? In any good bookstore there should be a section devoted to travel. Some people say “Oh, she’s just an arm-chair explorer”, but not everyone can travel the world. You might have a blast reading about faraway places and customs, etc. And you can’t argue against a good read!

            • Miss Tia

              what’s wrong with being an arm-chair explorer?? best safest way to experience the world! 😀 cheap too!! that’s a really good idea!! next time i’m at the kent state library i’ll see if they have any books about the nepalese! i have read some things on the internet—about why they’re immigrating to the united states….but i honestly don’t know much about their culture at all…..

              ETA: THANK YOU!!! for this great idea!!

            • Ardent

              You know I have no idea what Nepalese folk speak, other than guessing Nepalese. Yes, I think they use Cardamom. In any event, check out the shop. They’ll certainly understand you, particularly if you write it down. It’s a greyish-greenish pod about the size of the end of your pinky (assuming normal human dimensions – you aren’t a Romulan, I gather?). Anyway, happy hunting!

            • Miss Tia

              yeah, i guess they might speak different languages depending where they come from….the one person from the international institute said something about their being 5+ different languages in the bhutan region….but writing it down is a great idea—thank you!! i don’t know what a romulan is, so i guess i’m not!! :) just a little chick!! i’ll hunt for it in a couple months when i’m able too!! (baring anything else, oh fuck i jinxed it, eh? insert eye roll!)

            • Ardent

              Romulan: an aggressive people in Star Trek universe.
              Yes, I am seriously into Star Trek.

            • Miss Tia

              ah, thank you! i watched star trek as a wee imp but never really got into it….i probably should duck, eh?

              we ALL have shows we’re seriously into!!

            • Ardent

              Also, gingersnaps not only are one of life’s best treats (I like them spicy) they have an instant connection to my beloved late Grandmother. Boy, was she ever an interesting lady! I miss her and my Grandfather very much. (I actually had 3 sets of grandparents! I made out like a bandit at Christmas and Birthdays. The above-mentioned Granny divorced my dad’s father, and everyone re-married.). However, I had real standout G-Ps in the two I mentioned. Granny and Grampa Bob were just so compelling one could write a book about them. Anyway….way off topic.

            • Miss Tia

              that’s awesome something like a cookie can give you such a great memory and connection!!! i don’t have to say it—but TREASURE THAT!!! some of us don’t have that!

            • Ardent

              Absolutely. There was discussion along those lines the other day. It all makes Grant Cardone look about as attractive as dog-crap on you best shoes.

            • Missionary Kid

              Grant Cardone IS dog-crap.

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              A great read, because of cookies, engrams and false memory implants.

              http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2012/conjuring-memories-artificially-0322

            • Ardent

              Thanks Suzanna. You’re quite right, it was a really interesting read. Incredible what work they can now perform with DNA. I wonder what the future holds? If we don’t blow up the planet, or turn it into a desert, maybe there’s real hope. I saw a great poster being held up by an environmental protester the other day. IT was a photo of Earth from space and said: “There is no plan(et) B!” Very true. Not yet, anyway.

            • Miss Tia

              i’ve read some similar things about memories in articles about PTSD and how just a smell or the smallest thing can trigger it…..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              We’re not in Kansas anymore, Professor.

            • Juicer77

              Gingersnaps are just sauerbraten before it grew up :)

            • Techie

              Cayenne pepper in ginger snaps? Possibly you should leave it out if you serve it to someone from the Gold base, the Medical Officer there thought capsicum (cayenne pepper) was a cure-all and put it in all kinds of strange nostrums for the ill. Like the famous “Panther Piss” that was supposed to cure all colds (vinegar, capsicum, lemon juice and cold water I think).

            • Miss Tia

              yep cayenne pepper in ginger snaps—cookbook is downstairs i think and once i get down there i won’t be back up for awhile i have dishes to do, dinner to make—no clue what to make, wanna make cookies, etc….

              no fear of ’em being served to someone from gold base!! :) if there’s a hood kid around they’ve gotten some cookies or if there’s workers on the street or delivery people….but usually they’re ALL MINE!! 😀

              i’ve heard of the ‘panther piss’ —though not called that!!—as a cure all before!! not related to scientology either!

            • Techie

              The cayenne thing is from Dr. Schultz and Sam Biser. We also had a book in the Isolation Ward called “The Cure For All Cancer”, which was all about herbal enemas (“colon cleansing”). Basically they’ll take any excuse, apply any quackery, cook up any strange brew, to not have to send you to a real doctor. That actually costs actual money. Home healing on a budget.

            • Ardent

              I do have an absolute faith in garlic helping out a cold, and I’ve put my money where my mouth is. I’ll munch on a whole clove. It is really intense, and does a complete number on stuffy head issues.
              Of course you have an odiferous side-effect, rather like living and sleeping beside a row of restaurants….

            • Techie

              Garlic! That’s the ingredient I forgot to name in Panther Piss! Not really, but certainly garlic was a well-loved ingredient in the home remedies at the Gold base. Take some celery, tomatoes, onion and several cloves of garlic, perhaps an apple or orange, zip them up in the juicer, three times a day. If you don’t recover after that you pulled it in!Reminds me of my old friend Paul Schoebel, he advocated eating nothing but maybe some granola and that juice. Sadly his kidneys were gone at that point, he was doing home dialysis right there in the Isolation Ward. Courtesy of Medicaid. They shipped him back to Australia to get on the free health care there, and I heard he ended up committing suicide.

            • Ardent

              Is there no end to the misery that is aided and abetted by Scientology? Just…I simply hate that outfit.
              I am sorry to hear of your friend’s sad end. Truly.

            • kemist

              Juicing is a really bad idea if you have kidney failure.

            • Miss Tia

              I’m sorry to hear of your friend too….so they take Medicaid? they have to have SOME standards to be able to get medicaid payments, don’t they? then shipping him back to Australia….poor man….SMH….this is why!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Oh god, the stories never end. Medical malpractice in scientology – another area I don’t understand how they have gotten by with it for so long.

            • kemist

              For me, it’s a Red Bull for day use (I don’t know why, but it’s the best decongestant for me), NyQuil for night use.

              But then I can sleep just fine after drinking half a pot of coffee, probably because I have been having caffeine in the form of migraine OTC medication since I’m about five.

            • Ardent

              Migraines? I feel for you, kemist. That’s no fun at all!

            • Miss Tia

              oh i agree with ya there! garlic, echinacea, extra vitamin a & c….

            • Missionary Kid

              If you want to clear your sinuses, try horseradish.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              And that quack “Cancer Cure” died of cancer. It was peddled in a number of scientologists chiro and DO’s offices.

            • Missionary Kid

              There was a woman who wrote a book called “The Cure for all Cancer” and she was an out and out quack. First, she was busted by the U.S., so she moved to Mexico and set up a “clinic” there. Eventually, even the Mexicans thought she was too much and shut her down.

            • Ardent

              Ugh. What an idiotic concoction. I’m surprise urine isn’t also an ingredient.

            • Techie

              Panther piss contains no actual urine, that is just what it tasted like.

            • Ardent

              Sort of a shame…

            • Sherbet

              I’ve eaten chocolate snickerdoodles with cayenne pepper in them.

            • Miss Tia

              OMG! i must make them!!!! THAT sounds like perfection!!!!!!!! EXCLAMATION TECH ACTIVATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • Sherbet

              I wish I had the recipe at my fingertips, but I don’t :-(

            • Miss Tia

              that’s okay—that’s what google is for….it HAS to be on the internets! IT MUST BE!!!!!!!!!!

            • Sherbet

              http://honestfare.com/spicy-hot-cocoa-cookies/

              This must be the recipe. It’s vegan.

            • Miss Tia

              i’m seeing vegan and then the non-vegan—probably ‘original’ recipe….i’ll probably go with the original one….

            • Ardent

              Good plan.

            • Miss Tia

              dammit, i have no cream of tartar!!! DAMN! i’d make ’em RIGHT NOW!! oh wait…i’m seeing i can substitute baking powder for cream of tartar…..oooo……

            • Ardent

              You’re having a day of Adventure, aren’t you? Admit it, you’re having fun!

            • Miss Tia

              actually i’m not gonna make ’em today cuz i have NOT conquered dishes—-i have done nada today but after about 12 hours of hard yard work in 2 days i figure i get a day off…..though i’m on furbaby patrol of course—that goes without saying….i WILL make them tomorrow!!! using baking powder as cream of tartar!!

            • Miss Tia

              Mexican chocolate snickerdoodles!!! 😀 a variety of recipes!! this is the first one…..i’ll study the differences and make one of ’em…..

              http://www.bhg.com/recipe/mexican-chocolate-snickerdoodles/

            • Sherbet

              Ole!

            • Ardent

              I can’t ignore that comment, Sherb. Please to explain?

            • Sherbet

              Snickerdoodle cookies, with the addition of chocolate and cayenne pepper. And now I’m hungry.

            • Ardent

              What on earth is a snickerdoodle???

            • Ardent

              Possibly a funny-looking male appendage?

            • Betty

              No or they would all be called that.

            • Ardent

              Ha ha ha ha ha ha…Zing!

            • Sherbet

              Sort of a sugar cookie with cinnamon.

            • Ardent

              OK. Thanks. Sounds very appealing. Cinnamon = happy face Ardent.

            • Jerseygram

              Me too!

            • Jerseygram

              Oooh, that sounds delicious!!

            • Ardent

              Show-off. Anyone recall the Bugs Bunny ‘Hossenpfeffer’ short? (I am not sure about my spelling)

        • Lucille Austero

          Thetanfreud, although technically I think that means the joy of a thetan, so not so much.

          • Ardent

            Oooh! Another good one!

        • Vaquera

          Twitification?

          Oh wait. You said German. Damn.

          • Ardent

            No, that’s light reading for idiots. But nice try! 😉

      • Ardent

        Hey, Lucille, did Krusty block you yet?

        • Lucille Austero

          Let me check. ETA: NOPE!! Still in!

          • Ardent

            Ta.

          • Ardent

            Enjoy the entheta, Lucille.

    • Ardent

      Thanks, Richard. I ‘have’ twitter coming in on my computer system, but I actually haven’t the faintest about how it actually works. It was really thoughtful of you to post this.
      BTW, I was on a few other comment pages in and around the web, and found to my disgust that almost ALL comment boards were riddled with nasty ad-hominem vitriol, people accusing others of being ‘faggots’ (which I honestly though was so passe the word would return to it’s true meaning: a bundle of sticks) and other pretty nasty, stupid stuff. We really are fortunate here in The Bunker. Actually it’s like being in a room with a lot of interesting people, not always agreeing, but pretty well universally respectful of one another’s opinions. Thank you, Tony, so much!

      • Richard Grant

        I hear you! I was on the MacRumors site yesterday, and while the conversation didn’t get down to the level of “faggots,” it was pretty mean-spirited — people calling each other idiots for making what seemed like perfectly reasonable comments, and that sort of thing. Hanging around the Bunker, it’s easy to forget what a Wild West the rest of the internet is like.

        • Ardent

          I know! I was listening to Tommy on YouTube – it was really great even after all this time. But then down in the comments were the crappiest, meanest, ignorant insults going on. I simply felt ashamed for humanity.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      ” The whole Twitter experience, for most of us, is determined by WHO YOU FOLLOW”

      …but don’t follow Ricky Gervais with sound notifications On.

      But maybe that’s just me.

    • Dawn G

      I think everyone should actually tweet ‘Don’t forget the hot sauce’ to Marc Headley.

      • Richard Grant

        That would be kind of a hoot.

    • NOLAGirl

      Just one correction Richard: That tweet to Marc Headley will show up in your feed and the feed of anyone who follows you, not just Marc Headley. ; ) If I tweet it, and you follow me, you’ll see it too.

      • Richard Grant

        Oh goodie, Twitter lawyering! Here’s my understanding.

        If I send the tweet to Marc exactly as written, you can see it on my page (@richardgrant) but it won’t show up in YOUR feed, even though you follow me.

        That’s the point of the “dot” convention: putting a single period in front of an address when you want the whole world to see that particular tweet. If I do this with the tweet to @blownforgood, Marc will receive it in his “mentions” and you’ll see it in your feed.

        Shall we test this?

        • NOLAGirl

          Yes…please. I’d like to see how it works too. :) Do we already follow each other?

          • Richard Grant

            I’m pretty sure. I’m going to send a tweet to some innocent, unsuspecting person’s account containing a secret message about you. If my understanding is correct, you won’t see it in your feed, but you can find it on my page.

            Tweeting in five … four … three …

            • NOLAGirl

              I follow you, you don’t follow me…so I won’t see it. I just sent you a “coded message” though. 😀

            • Richard Grant

              That’s weird, I was sure I was following you. Well … I am now. Should I resend the test tweet?

            • NOLAGirl

              Yep, try now. I’m watching for it.

            • Richard Grant

              Okay, it’s away.

              My understanding of this “follow” rule is: If you follow BOTH parties of a directed tweet like this — the sender and the addressee — you’ll see the tweet in your timeline. So if this is correct, you’d have to be following the innocent, unsuspecting recipient of this tweet for it to appear in your own timeline.

            • NOLAGirl

              You’re right. I honestly never knew that. So the period in front becomes even more important when you want something to get around. Thanks for doing this with me, learn something new every day. :) I will amend my above tweet. You may also mute me when I become annoying. LOL

              P.S. I am a nice mother-in-law. I stay the hell out of their business. 😀

            • Richard Grant

              Sorry, no offense intended! I think this keyboard thing may be our own little inside joke.

              It’s good to learn new things. I rejoice when it happens.

            • NOLAGirl

              No offense taken, I promise. ; ) I only have one step-child (my husbands daughter) that is married, and she can handle herself just fine. Know that if I thought something terrible was going on, I’d be a nosy-ass bitch. LOL

            • Ardent

              My curiosity is piqued. What gives? I’ve been a step-dad. It was, for one child, a great gift. The other kid I wanted to hurl off a tall building. (There, see, I’m not all peaches and cream, after all.)

            • NOLAGirl

              My husband has two children from his previous marriage (daughter and son) and he and I have a son. My step-children are grown. One married, one dating (I expect that to become marriage) and our son, the youngest, is still in Jr. High and at this point, still finds girls annoying. LOL

              I love them all, but my step-daughter has a contentious relationship with her Dad, so…we don’t see her much, sadly. The boys are ALWAYS here. :)

              No matter her issues with her Dad, I’d help her if she needed it. But mostly, I stay out of her life. She has a mother, and she knows I’m here if she needs something.

            • Toni m

              My head is spinning.

            • Richard Grant

              I know! Don’t worry about it, seriously. If you feel inclined to jump in, just do it the way NOLA G suggests — follow a couple of people and see where it goes.

            • NOLAGirl

              Don’t mind us Toni, we’re just testing something, we aren’t trying to make it seem more confusing. :) As Richard suggests, jump in when/if you want to.

            • Miss Tia

              mine too!!

    • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!
      • Richard Grant

        Beautiful. And perfect.

      • Ardent

        Another winner from Nat! Thanks.

    • aurora50

      Do you have to have a SmartPhone to participate?

      • Lucille Austero

        No you do not :)

        • Ardent

          Really?! Man, I am just not in to the twitter thing. Maybe I should pay more attention. Perhaps the content is now a little more hefty and less about what kind of cool shoes someone just bought…

          • NOLAGirl

            A good rule is to only follow the people you want to hear from. That will keep your timeline tidy. Also there is a setting for a private account where only people approved by you, can follow you. :)

            • Richard Grant

              Yep to all that. I love Twitter because, over time, you can dial in just exactly the people who tweet (a) the right amount, not a new tweet every 15 minutes, (b) about topics you genuinely care about, and (c) with a little room for surprise.

              So I follow JUST A FEW Scientology watchers, literary types, liberal journalists, science writers, close friends & family, tech journalists (with a focus on Apple), and a number of hard-to-categorize accounts like Aeon magazine, Boing Boing, and a couple of feeds from The New Yorker and the NY Times. And a few odd individuals who are just great tweeters with varied interests. And I feel like I’m keeping in touch with everything that’s really important to me.

            • NOLAGirl
            • Richard Grant

              And there you go: this is how you discover cool things.

              There’s a charming Twitter custom — I’m not sure how many people still practice it — called “Follow Friday.” You start your tweet with the hashtag #FF and then list accounts that you recommend to your own followers. (You do this on Friday, because tradition.)

            • Ardent

              Again, more interesting nuggets, Richard. Thanks. And BTW, I have to mention you’re one of my ‘best friends’ here in Bunker-land. Which sounds incredibly sophomoric.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Oooooh, shiny spacy things.

            • NOLAGirl

              NASA has amazing Twitter accounts. The astronauts are generous with their photos from space too. :)

            • Ardent

              OK, you sold me. You really know how to get to a guy, don’t you? 😉

            • NOLAGirl

              Space photos….always works. ; )

            • Richard Grant

              The Mars Rover has got its own account, bless its electronic heart.

            • Ardent

              Oh.

    • Frodis73

      Richard, this is pretty awesome. I did not know about the . in front of the @ sign thing! Way cool!!

      • Richard Grant

        So happy to be of service, Frodis!

    • Stephanie Loving

      Thank you Richard and NolaGirl … Tweet tips are very very helpful. I’m ready trill, chirp, peep, cheep and twitter.

      • Stephanie Loving

        Also thank you Newiga!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    For some background of the pattern of scientology supplanting families loyalty to the group as an alternative, and the rigging of child abuse and neglect practices, scroll down to “Scientology as an Alternative Family Structure” in Steven Kent’s (Sociology Professor at Univ. of Alberta) research paper, “Scientology – Is This a Religion?” He lays out individual points of human rights abuse as outlined in The International Bill of Human Rights in this piece as well.

    “Many indicators point to the fact that Scientology structures the Sea Org in a manner that damages parent-child relations if not the well-being of children in general. In essence, Sea Org becomes one’s new family, often at the expense of spouses and children.”

    http://www.bible.ca/scientology-not-religion-kent.htm

  • From83

    Hey, be sure to thumbs up Growing Up Scientology… on youtube the more thumbs up the more youtube will promote the video!!

    • Ardent

      Good idea.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Alec Baldwin interviews Lawrence Wright on “Here’s the Thing”.
    Lawrence Wright on Religion, ISIS, and Scientology: http://www.wnyc.org/story/lawrence-wright/

    • Beth

      yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dreams do come true. i was hoping those 2 would bond.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        FUN FACT: Gibney’s nickname is “TIGER”! :)

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          You don’t say!

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            According to Wright in this interview. LOL

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      oooooh i am listening now—Alec is a big SP now

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      Alec asks specifically about TC benefiting from sea-org making 40 cents an hr. BAM !

      • Beth

        Donna I was typing at the same time :-))))))))

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          jinx lol :)

          • Ardent

            You have to buy each other a Coca Cola, according to the rules I used to use.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              can it be diet pepsi–please

            • Beth

              jinx again! I want diet pepsi too!

            • Ardent

              Why not? Live large!

    • Beth

      When they got to scientology, I thought Alec was treading too lightly around his film friend Tom Cruise – but then thank goodness gets to a question about the CoS slave labor working on Cruise’s luxury lifestyle –

      Alec: “Do you think that the people who are the beneficiaries of this kind of stuff (Tom Cruise) – do they know what’s happening?”

      Wright: “There’s no question that Tom Cruise knows what’s going on inside the Sea Org. And I hold Tom to account. I signal him out in particular……”

      “The other way that change and reform could come in scientology is that some of the celebrity megaphones turn around in the other direction and demand change. And nobody has benefitted more from scientology than Tom Cruise. Nobody is more identified in the public with the church of scientology than Tom Cruise. Nobody has lured more people into the church thank Tom Cruise. If you ask people – name one member of the church of scientology – that’s the one member. He’s the top.”

      swish.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thank you – a Must Hear superb interview. Larry helped me answer my question of how anyone could have made Going Clear. It wasn’t anyone, it was someone like Alex as a master storyteller. Whatever accolades you could throw his way, this is his main par excellence attribute and that’s how it got made, why it got funded. Alec and Larry really tap into what I think is on so many minds today and so utterly missing from the media chatter and noise.

      It becomes obvious that Alec’s knowledge of the scientology mindset comes directly from interacting with scientology celebrities. This interview is something every scientologist should listen to because it hits home, it’s the real truth that every member knows in their heart is true. They might be able to bat back with “oh, those are disgruntled SP’s” about those featured in the film, but in this interview, they will recognize their Own truths – the one they keep hidden and buried.

      When Lawrence Wright goes into his interests and concerns about ISIS and the changes in the Arab world, I couldn’t help noticing that his descriptions are not all that far off the mark to the emerging market of the young worldwide: Raised in a fractured society, barbarism just under the sheets, marginialized young men that don’t feel like they belong. That’s my conclusion as to why “Going Clear” has become more popular than anyone expected. It has tapped into a growing awareness that the stewing pot is coming to a boil – and no one is minding the kitchen.

      • Ardent

        In all truth, Hole, I am very, very frightened about two major issues in the geopolitical sphere: the rise of the ISIS group, which, despite how much we might wish it otherwise, may hold a great appeal to many young Muslim people, and Russia’s continuing threat in Ukraine. Canada is just now shipping troops to Ukraine. Canada! The inventor the the U.N. peacekeeping force was a Canadian P.M. Now they send troops to ‘train’ with the Ukrainian Army. Boy oh boy.

        • Tory Christman

          Ardent: This may be hard to understand, but I was raised by a strong father who taught
          me NOT to live in fear, no matter what. Fear decreases anyone’s power and their ability to think right and certainly to do right.
          My son is great at quoting awful things very similar to what you speak of.
          I’ll ask: “Who said that and when?” He’ll name someone and say 1855.
          Shocking, and true.
          The best we can do is do our best.
          Stay strong :) As My Grandfather (a Doctor) used to always say:
          “Hearts of Oak” :) Keep a strong heart, and move on! :) Love 2 U :) Tory/Magoo

        • Robert Eckert

          When I was six years old we were told that the world might be destroyed over the missiles in Cuba, and people were digging shelters while they instructed us kids to practice ducking under our school desks if nuclear bombs went off, like that would help. And the next year the President was murdered and we spent all weekend stunned in front of the TV’s and I got to see his assassin murdered, along with a hundred million other eyewitnesses. If that was the assassin, that is, since people would argue for years that something dark and mysterious had just happened and we didn’t know the half of it. Meanwhile the civil rights struggle was going on, Martin Luther King trying to solve it peacefully while some of his people like Medgar Evers and the three boys in Mississippi were murdered, and Malcolm X calling for more forceful action until he was murdered.

          Then we were sending a half million troops to this jungle country we didn’t know much about to fight this war nobody could explain, but we got to see brutal footage and hear lists of the dead read out, every evening at dinnertime. And then the Arabs swore they would wipe out all the Jews, and Syria was raining missiles down on Galilee every day and the Egyptians kicked all the peacekeepers out of the Sinai, and then wham, Israel wiped their armies out in a week, and all the preachers (I was in rural Indiana, couldn’t help hear the preachers on the radio all the time) explained how this was all foretold in the Bible, 1948 started the “fig tree generation” so 1968 was guaranteed to be the end of the world.

          Well. 1968 wasn’t a great year. It started out with the Viet Cong overrunning a lot of our positions just when Johnson told us the war was practically won, and he decided not to run for re-election because he was tired of angry mobs shouting “Baby-killer!” at him everywhere he went. Then Martin Luther King was murdered, and Bobby Kennedy came out to calm everybody down, but riots broke out in all the cities as if the previous riots destroying Detroit, Newark, and Watts hadn’t been enough. Then an angry Palestinian murdered Bobby Kennedy while others starting launching hijackings and bombing, and angry radicals took over the governments of Libya and Iraq. Meanwhile student rioters were shutting down campuses and planting bombs all over the US, and brought down the government in France. A civil war in Nigeria led to the first televised famine, with news broadcasts of swollen-bellied kids with flies all over their faces. Czechoslovakia looked hopeful, with the government promising “socialism with a human face”, until Brezhnev sent in tanks and shot all the protesters down. Our election degenerated, as the Democratic Convention erupted into a police riot, while George Wallace ran a third-party ticket pledging a return to racial segregation, with a running mate who proposed that a few nuclear bombs would end that Vietnam war right quick, so Tricky Dick won, breaking my parents’ heart.

          But the world stubbornly didn’t end, so the preachers told us it was the start of the seven years’ tribulation, and 1975 would see the return of Jesus, this time for sure. It wasn’t a great seven years, what with another Arab-Israeli war with nuclear threats between the US and USSR, followed by an oil embargo that trashed the world’s economy, and an ugly coup d’etat in Chile, while the Nixon administration self-destructed in a frustrating and confusing slow-moving farce. And then we humiliatingly withdrew from Vietnam and watched helplessly the monstrously massive auto-genocide in Cambodia– but, the world didn’t end. Forty years later, I look at the world problems you are frightened by, and say: meh, is that all?

          • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

            (Yes, ducking under your table will help because it’ll stop the glass from the blasted-in window from cutting you up which is a pain to fix the day after where there is no health-care)

            Seriously, that must have been scary.

            • Robert Eckert

              It was also confusing. I knew that Cuba was the place Ricky Ricardo came from, a land full of nightclubs with kicky music. My little brain decided that there must be two different places called “Cuba” that were totally unlike.

      • Mymy88

        You know what… I just realized something after reading your post, and particularly the last paragraph. I stopped listening to the news a couple years ago. I couldn’t take the negativity any longer. I especially didn’t want to hear ANYTHING about ISIS or wars or terrorist attacks or local crime or ANYTHING. I was just going to live in my little bubble, enjoying life with people I care about and my animals, and that was plenty for me.

        Then this Scientology thing comes along. I let it in but I think that’s only because I had a bad experience with a church I belonged to long ago that I never forgot. I wanted to know what horrible things this “church” had done. I wanted to see if they were similar to things that had been done to me. I kind of expected that. But that’s not what I found out AT ALL. I could not believe the things I was learning. It was incredible. I became obsessed with learning all that I could as quickly as possible so that when I was finished, I could sit back and think about what needed to be done. The problem is, I was never able to find the end of the story.

        I’ll admit something here. One evening I came across a video of Graham Berry giving a talk at a symposium or something like that. His talk was rather long but the things he said made my blood run cold. I was truly frightened and very upset. I was thinking oh my god, this insanity is actually getting its hooks into everything it possibly can, any way it possibly can. Everybody is conned. No one knows what’s going on. They will stop at nothing and I mean nothing, to do whatever needs to be done to protect the truth that they are a truly evil cancer, eating through anything in its way, even innocent infants! I had my first Scientology nightmare that night.

        To me, that was Nazi wanna be working quickly toward, Nazi will be. I was devastated. And to think I was one of these people that had decided to firmly plant my head in the sand so I could at least have a few years of peace in my life and in my late middle age. Now look where I was. My heart was pounding, and I felt like I was on the verge of having an anxiety attack. It was striking how horrible it all was and yet, it was right under everybody’s noses, in AMERICA, no less. Even A-list movie starts were rah rah about it and acting completely oblivious. That was very hard to understand also, but I think I have a better grip on that now (I think).

        Well, the next day I was puzzled because I didn’t see anyone else in the anti-Miscavige community, saying they felt the same as I did. I couldn’t understand that. Was I nuts? Was there something wrong with me? Was I developing some kind of paranoia thing? I went online and started crazily trying to find out everything about Graham Berry that I could. I wanted to find something that would tear down some of his credibility. I didn’t want to believe all of the things he had claimed.

        I started seeing different things, some suggesting he was spot on and some suggesting he was not. I have to admit, I felt tremendous relief that not everyone agreed with everything he said, but of course, there is no such thing as a person that everyone agrees with, but still, I was greatly relieved.

        I let it go and continued on. I didn’t think about it any more and I didn’t go back to watch it again even though I kind of wanted to do that. I was afraid it would upset me again.

        What I realize now is this, no matter how horrible the Scientology phenomenon I was learning about was, I firmly believed that if people found out about what was going on, it wouldn’t be able to continue in such a wild fire devouring manner. The trick was figuring out how to get people to listen. It was a profound problem for which I had no answers. But all-in-all, at least an answer seemed possible.

        When I hear about all the things going on in this crazy world, I basically feel pretty much hopeless about it. But with this thing, the Scientology secret, I felt there was hope. It was only a matter of getting people to listen. I often thought of the Dr. Suess story of ‘Morton hear’s a Who’. We’re here! We’re here! We’re here! I felt one day, if enough people kept shouting, the SOS would finally be heard.

        I confess that if it had not been for that hope, I would have walked away from this cause just like I walked away from watching the news any longer. That is what I am admitting. That’s not anything to be proud about, but it certainly is something to be honest about.

        What is the point of being anything at all, if you are not going to be honest? And that includes being honest with yourself. Isn’t that how Miscavige entraps so many minds? His lured in victims are immediately thrust into the indoctrination of double think with the hope that it will take seed.

        In other words, the desired effect of double thing is to train one accept dishonesty as honesty! How crazy is that! But no human is infallible and this is one of our greater infallibilities. We have abilities to make extraneous noise inside our heads and use this to block out thoughts. I’m sure in some conditions, it is a good ability to have, but not when it comes to truth and lies.

        What happens is you lose any means of holding on to any satisfying amount self-dignity that only comes from self introspection and being honest with yourself. And the concept of having character will become as alien to you as planets that are millions of miles away from the one you live on now. Without honesty, there is no character. Character is built from and upon honesty.

        Miscavige has made honesty the highest crime. When you get into a position of having to accept that, you can’t grow. You are stifled. You are stagnant. You are silenced. You are unhappy. You lose hope.

        Sometimes honesty is humbling, and feeling humbled has its advantages and disadvantages, but the point is, one certain advantage of honesty is when you are honest and up front about who your are and why you feel the way you do, no one will ever be able to hang it over your head to threaten and control you. Fuck that shit! Living in fear is not living.

    • Draco

      Thanks for this link. A very good interview – Alec Baldwin does a great job too. Asks good questions and lets the subject answer. He doesn’t play the movie star celeb. I admire Lawrence Wright more and more; he definitely doesn’t choose the “safe” path when choosing his subjects.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      well i wonder how their movie premier tour is going to go—awkward –ha

    • Ardent

      It was good wasn’t it? Have you read The Looming Tower? I recommend it highly! You’ll be the “guy/gal who knows all about it” at the dinner table and at parties.

  • Donna Cline Sargent

    OK– OT but what does it mean when someone “follows” you,I know how to work FB but new to disqus.How do you follow someone—haha—i know-dumb hick from the bush of Alaska

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      but i did figure out how to click on Tony’s heart-ha

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Are you the ecclesiastical leader of the world’s fastest growing religious business? If so, I’d recommend just paying someone else to follow people for you. You don’t need the hassle.

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        well someone followed me so i want to understand :) i got the message in the red dot

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          It just means that when you tweet something, it will show up on their feed. So they will see it alongside the tweets from everyone else they follow.

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            oh—thank you–eventually i will learn to tweet- thanx J3

    • Ardent

      Alaska has a bush? I though it just had loonies from Wassilla?

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        yes Alaska has a big bush—lol–not just loonies from Wasilla

        • Ardent

          Phew! For a moment there…

  • Synthia Fagen

    I just got off the phone with an IRS agent. He told me that in order for any complaint to have a chance of being investigated, one would need to fill out the form Jeffery Augustine provided yesterday and would need to show reasonable proof of violations of the requirements for a church to receive exempt status. These requirements are here:

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf

    It’s not illegal, nor is it cause for revocation for the church to hire a PI. There are many sleazy activities done in the name of religion that do not affect their tax exempt status. The behavior has to directly relate to the requirements as laid out in the above document and it has to be convincing evidence.

    • flyonthewall

      There are legitimate reasons to hire a PI. For the head of a non-profit to hire a PI to spy on someone bc he feels that this person will try to remove him or talk to media about him seems like a misuse of the non-profit’s funds. Also, the PI’s said Miscavige bought a house for his dad to ensure his silence. How is bribing someone to keep quiet compliant with non-profit rules?

      • Betty

        How is stalking ok especially in Florida with strict anti stalking laws?

        • Synthia Fagen

          It needs to be prosecuted.

      • Synthia Fagen

        It would have to be prosecuted and the organization found to be in violation of the law. Then this would be given to the IRS as evidence for just cause to revoke status. The IRS, not being a legislative body, will not make that determination itself. It must be provided to them.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          Dagnammit! The weasels will just hide behind First Amendment… again :(

          • Synthia Fagen

            I am in no way suggesting that anyone give up on this action I am simply stating that there are specific things they are looking for and those have to be systematically given.

            This is a war of attrition and my personal belief is that they lose in the court of public opinion before they do in a court of law.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              This Monkey isn’t giving up :) -guess we’ll just have to emphasise the inurement side of the business… and flood the IRS with complaints in the same way that they were flooded with lawsuits in the early 90s. Give them something they simply cannot ignore. Thank you for your time and persistence in talking to someone Synthia

            • Mymy88

              Ha ha ha. Hey, wouldn’t that kind of be like doing the same thing Miscavige did to win the war, only in reverse? You ironic little monkey you! I like it.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              :) Of course, we’d have to give it a new name, MyMy-perhaps the ‘Reverse Miscavige’ or the 7’4″! (many years of practice as an evil Monkey!)

            • Mymy88

              LOL I like both!

        • flyonthewall

          What does their criminal investigation unit do?

          • $cnMonkeyNut$

            Very little, it would seem!

          • Synthia Fagen
            • flyonthewall

              “Some people bend the tax law — others break it. Criminal Investigation’s job is to pursue the lawbreakers.” – Doesn’t this contradict your response though?

            • Synthia Fagen

              Unfortunately, I really think they’re referring to individuals or companies not church’s or other tax-exempt entities.

      • Synthia Fagen

        I am not an expert and I am stating things I have come to understand them. You would have to investigate yourselves to see what you come up with. Here is something that is also definitive though old:

        http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicj85.pdf

      • Ardent

        I agree. It’s a house of cards if one scrutinizes the cult. I am pretty sure there will be at least one crack in the bubble that the authorities will find.
        Boy, mixing metaphors, or what?

        • flyonthewall

          I counted at least 6. Very impressive!

          • Ardent

            You can thank my psychedelic brain-emanations.

    • L. C. Spencer

      Crap. Did they give you any Scientology-specific suggestions that people could use, people like us who haven’t had a direct opportunity to observe misuse or misdirection of funds firsthand?

      ETA: and congratulations on getting a live agent on the phone on April 14th.

      • Synthia Fagen

        Yeah, he wasn’t happy. I didn’t think about that but on the other hand I waited about a half an hour myself.

      • Techie

        Inurement – like this: tonyortega.org/2014/05/29/hey-irs-stunning-photos-inside-the-lavish-personal-offices-of-scientologys-leader/ paid for by donations and built using slave labor. I am going to use some of the info I have about his lavish sound systems all over the world, fancy clothes and personal hair dresser, the time he got a dentist to the Gold Base and had exclusive access at first (later we all could go to the dentist, but in the first month or so it was just Dave and his cronies). He is the only one in the Sea Org I know of that makes more than $50 a week. Things like that.

        • L. C. Spencer

          Well, yeah. I mean we all know the sort of things he gets up to, but the agent seems to be saying that if we make a complaint we have to back it up with documents, and I don’t know if these are the sort of things we can get our hands on or not. Or if it would have to be people who themselves witnessed stuff or were in possession of original documents.

          MAN, I wish we had Denise Brennan now.

          • Juicer77

            1) police report from Davey’s dad’s surveillance
            2) documentation on SuperPower building cost vs how much they raised to build it

            • flyonthewall

              Good thinking on SP building! I may have to submit a third 13909

            • Juicer77

              Can’t take credit. Someone mentioned it yesterday… my apologies I can’t remember who ’twas.

            • Ardent

              Those are hopefully Super-Power truth-bullets of info. Could raise some interest, yes?

          • flyonthewall

            Well, we have dox about the PI thing! The police report and court docket. There’s also audio of the police interrogation on TMZ’s website. That’s why I submitted my 13909 based on that incident. I could attach dox! :)

            • Synthia Fagen

              There ya go.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I’d love to be able to see a receipt for his medical expenses vs. Zero health insurance in 60 years for everybody else. That’s inurement BAM.

    • romanesco

      Good work, Synthia.

    • Pierrot

      Thank you Synthia for enquiring and reporting.
      Although I agree that hard evidence and proof will help the IRS to do their job, I still feel that many complaints would keep the pressure up.
      I would suggest that we carry on sending letters with supporting stories to the IRS and the congress representatives.
      Let us force their eyes open, force them to look, shame them on their 1993 capitulation & inaction.

      • Synthia Fagen

        I could not agree more and I certainly am going to do so. Please do not take my comments here to be defeatist.

        • Ardent

          Looking at the situation(s) cooly and analytically may not seem as sexy as a good rant, but is essential for a carefully judged argument. Not defeatist.

          • Synthia Fagen

            Thank you. You’ve said exactly the most wonderful thing here as that was my intention and I appreciate it…no one likes raining on anyone’s parade.

            • Ardent

              I know what you’re saying. I fully support your approach. You seem fairly new here? If so, I’d like to formally introduce myself and say thanks for your posts thus far. If I’ve been an eedjit, and just missed you because of circumstance, I STILL wish to properly introduce myself. So, Hi from Ardent. I like your style.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Synthia’s been around a long time and I’ve always like her style too.

            • Ardent

              Oh! Well, that’s weird. I must have missed her every time until recently. Just popping in before bed. Thanks for the info, Dee.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              When I say around I really mean it, on lots of other blogs etc. Maybe more elsewhere than here, until more recent. she knows what she’s takling about and has passion.

      • Synthia Fagen

        And please, look through the above provided document and use it as a template for the activities that they are engaged in that you feel is in violation of the IRS requirements for tax-exemption. That’s how it’s done. It has to be specific and not a vague disliking or repulsion for something. I was super annoyed when I spoke to this guy as a tax paying citizen telling him how I did not want to subsidize the activities of the C of S and he made me get very specific and simply yawned as I laid them out. I am just letting you know what we’re up against.

        • Synthia Fagen

          On the other hand, I was talking to one dude out of thousands who was probably crabby the day before tax day. Please just take my information in the spirit it is given which is just what happened to me as I tried to investigate this myself and see how you can come up with bright ideas. :)

          • Juicer77

            They must be a barrel of laughs right now :)

            • Synthia Fagen

              LOL. Thanks for making me laugh!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Thanks. Looking it over, perhaps the monies that public handed over for real estate including reno’s and furnishings – they always seemed to be far more than fair value – and then there’s the matter of these fundraisers under possible fraudulent terms.

            Would need evidence that the public thought the local staff, local org would be rent and mortgage free – only to find out later that everything got turned over to upper management or whatever the entity is that receives it.

            The matter of Inurement is the other major, acceptable category. Good to know.

            • Synthia Fagen

              I agree! That is certainly a ripe area of investigation. In fact, imo, I think that all of these buildings sitting vacant and the whole Ideal Org scam is a ticking time bomb with potentially catastrophic consequences.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Lol – and then there’s fundraising now for “design plans”. I mean, DM is getting super cheap.

            • Ardent

              I really do wonder how much he’s stashed away for himself. Or is he so deluded as to think nothing is actually wrong?

            • Ardent

              That occurred to me too, although I can’t put my finger on exactly why. Something is niggling at me about all those empty buildings.

            • Synthia Fagen

              Well, one of the problems (I don’t know if it could be considered illegal as the members themselves would have to sue for fraud, no one would take them to task otherwise) is that they basically manipulated and coerced the membership to buy all these buildings without having the monies for the renovations and hence they sit vacant for almost a decade. They all have the great potential of never opening and so do the people who gave away their college and retirement funds, who second mortgaged their homes, etc. have a case?

            • Ardent

              Hmm. The Garcias have a case somewhat along those lines. I’m wondering if the fact that the buildings are purchased but not put to use may have any bearing on the status required for exemption? I have no idea. But, as I said, something is twitching around in my mind.

      • Synthia Fagen

        I agree with very much on this Pierrot. The more of this that happens the better. Even if something doesn’t happen immediately, it’s better to have these on record. Then, the next time things shake up (hopefully tomorrow — lol) then this comes up again and more voices are added, etc. and at some point, it can’t be ignored even if the complaints aren’t necessarily accompanied by official documentation.

        ETA: The devil’s advocate side on this, though, is that we are all subsidizing all sorts of crap in the US from UFO to vampire ‘religions’ and everything else in between as a religion scholar recently told me. It’s a huge playing field out there. That’s all I’m sayin’

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          And that’s why I am asking my representatives to do away with tax exemptions for all 501C3’s.

          • Ardent

            I think that’s an error. I would focus only on Scientology. By asking that all be tossed out would probably make the first reader put your letter in the ‘nut file’. I intend NO insult or injury, I hope you realise? I trust you’ll take what I say as conversational, not confrontational.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              No, you’re right. But this is what I have been doing separate from the Tax form campaign. Because that’s how I feel about the issue and I think it’s one that is popular with constituents as well.

            • Ardent

              I see. Go for it, then. But I have to ask you, what about all the really good and humane work GENUINE religious organisations do? Never mind if you, or, ‘one’, may think religion is balderdash; the organisations truly care for and provide actual food, shelter and clothing for the enormous numbers of disenfranchised, deracinated people all over the world.

    • Synthia Fagen

      What about depositions from those who refurbished Cruise’s hangar, pimp his vehicles, etc.?

    • Blanky

      It’s hard to say if the IRS dude gave you good information. We’ve probably all had the occasion to call a governmental agency for info and found it to be inaccurate. Here is some basic info about activities that will endanger one’s tax exempt status as a church (which, I believe, differs somewhat from a generic charitable organization). Cross posted from ESMB

      http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdfz

      Excerpts:
      “Examples of prohibited inurement include the payment of dividends,the payment of unreasonable compensation to insiders,and transferring property to insiders for less than fair marketvalue. The prohibition against inurement to insiders is absolute;therefore, any amount of inurement is, potentially, grounds forloss of tax-exempt status. In addition, the insider involved maybe subject to excise tax. See the following section on Excessbenefit transactions. Note that prohibited inurement does notinclude reasonable payments for services rendered, paymentsthat further tax-exempt purposes, or payments made for thefair market value of real or personal property.”

      “In cases where an IRC section501(c)(3) organization provides an excess economic benefit toan insider, both the organization and the insider have engagedin an excess benefit transaction. The IRS may impose an excisetax on any insider who improperly benefits from an excessbenefit transaction, as well as on organization managers whoparticipate in such a transaction knowing that it is improper.An insider who benefits from an excess benefit transaction isalso required to return the excess benefits to the organization.Detailed rules on excess benefit transactions are contained inthe Code of Federal Regulations, Title 26, sections 53.4958-0through 53.4958-8.”

      “An IRC section 501(c)(3) organization’s activities must bedirected exclusively toward charitable, educational, religious,or other exempt purposes. Such an organization’s activitiesmay not serve the private interests of any individual or organization.Rather, beneficiaries of an organization’s activitiesmust be recognized objects of charity (such as the poor or thedistressed) or the community at large (for example, throughthe conduct of religious services or the promotion of religion).Private benefit is different from inurement to insiders. Privatebenefit may occur even if the persons benefited are not insiders.Also, private benefit must be substantial in order to jeopardizetax-exempt status.”

    • Blanky

      Additionally – there is some case law to look at. I didn’t see a ton – but I only did a quick search earlier today. Also cross posted from ESMB

      Examples of Revocation:

      Private money laundering to benefit member/donor http://tspf.pgdc.com/pgdc/exempt-sta…vate-inurement

      Harassment of lawyer for opposition – http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/eotopicb90.pdf

      Same case – US Court of Appeals – http://openjurist.org/820/f2d/421/sy…-united-states

      Excerpts from the second case:

      “When the IRS initiated an audit in March 1979 concerning Synanon’staxable years ending in 1977 and 1978, the principal issues were whether there wasa corporate policy of terror and violence that would suggest that the organizationwas not organized exclusively for charitable purposes, and whether corporateresources had been diverted for the enrichment of individuals within theorganization”

      “At all times after the effective date of its revocation, from the beginning ofits 1977 taxable year through at least the end of its taxable year in 1983, Synanoncontinued to maintain publicly that it was a charitable and religious organizationthat had a central purpose of rehabilitating persons who were substance abusers. Itcontinued to solicit contributions during this period and at least gave theimpression that donations were deductible. Synanon also carried on a number ofbusiness activities on a for-profit basis. Finally, Synanon distributed largepayments to Charles Dederich during this period, and paid criminal defenseexpenses for him and for other Synanon members. This topic discusses the June 7,1989 Tax Court decision with respect to the tax treatment of Synanon for thosetaxable years, The Synanon Church v. Commissioner, T.C. Memo. 1989-270(Docket No. 20015-84).”

      “The court noted that contributions of cash went into Synanon’s general fundand that donated goods were in large part used by the Synanon residents. The clearinference, according to the court, was that donors were misled. While they believedthey were giving to a charity they were in fact making donations to a”predominantly business, profit-seeking organization.” The court held that underthese circumstances, the contributions of cash and goods were gross income underIRC 61 and, therefore, taxable.”

      IANAL but I believe the Synanon case has enough similarities to make it worthwhile to explore in some depth.

    • J. Swift

      Synthia, the IRS has told me the same thing: “It’s not illegal, nor is it cause for revocation for the church to hire PIs to harass people.” I said this is not correct in all cases. The Church covers itself by claiming harassment as pretrial litigation; however the Church never sues. The points I make:

      1. PI’s go to a continuing pattern of malicious conduct and stalking under the ruse of pretrial litigation. This goes to using tax exempt dollars to systematically engage in violating the civil rights of a class of
      people who speak out against the Church.

      2. The IRS has to accept these reports by law. They know this and will accept reports.

      3. Enough reports establish a pattern of using tax exempt dollars to harass people and attempt to silence people.

      4. These reports can be used by the US Congress or the US Dept of Justice in the event the Church is investigated criminally.

      The important thing is to establish a paper trail in the IRS, local police departments, and the FBI. Keep sending in reports as needed. A paper trial is crucial.

      • Synthia Fagen

        Thank you very much. This is very good to know.

  • Vaquera

    For those of you asking about twitter, here is a link to the basics:
    https://www.hashtags.org/platforms/twitter/twitter-for-beginners-basic-guidelines-before-you-start/

    There are also several youtube videos available for those of you who are visual learners.

    • Vaquera

      Don’t forget to look for Vaquera!

    • Sherbet

      Don’t make me tweet. I don’t even belong to FB. (I’d be right at home among lrh’s Telexes.)

      • Vaquera

        No pressure. With Tony’s book release on the horizon, some commenters were wondering how to tweet.

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        It’s a recurring thing that I run errands and I’m not sure about/forget something, I go back home and I’m then asked why I didn’t use my cell.

        Fuck.me. Seriously.

        • Ardent

          I’ve trained myself. Know what you mean!

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            No you don’t. I actually took a pic on my iPhone and drove back home to show the household and ask for advice.

            • Stephanie Loving

              Thanks for grins Hillie! :o)

      • Ardent

        I keep running into walls because I don’t like Facebook. Important things in my kind of ‘creative people’ life seem to be ubiquitously linked to that damned site, and not the more sensible LinkedIn. It befrustrulates me.

        • Vaquera

          I used to facebook. Two years ago I closed the account.

          • Ardent

            I closed my first one, too. Then I felt pressure to open another. I really rarely even look at it. I can’t recall my password. I use ‘sticky notes’ which is a cool feature of my Mac. Without those I’d be hard-pressed to get into a number of important sites. Come to think of it, I really should put those passwords to paper as well.

            • Vaquera

              I have friends whose political leanings are different than my own and they were using FB in what I considered a verbally assaulting manner. In order to preserve the friendships, I closed the account. No need to think about those vitriolic “shares” when passing them in the grocery store.

              Also, anymore, it seems like what most people do is put up photos of their kids, their vacations, their selfies and those people were posting the exact same photos to Instagram (which is now owned by FB). No need for me to see them twice, plus Instagram doesn’t have any ads, no busy stuff up one side of screen and down the other…just photos to which you can add brief comments. Sorry if that was tl/dr.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Not at all Vaquera-you forgot to mention the latest meal consumed, which seems to be another favourite for facebook :) (the only reason I have fb is because my older sister set one up for me… it it’s very rarely used, if at all!)

            • Ardent

              You’ve fundamentally listed every single irritating, potato-headed thing I feel about Facebook. But, some people use it a great deal, sometimes for purposes that I would find helpful. It’s irksome in the extreme.

            • Baby

              Columbo.. Don’t succumb to pressure ..you will regret it..

              Joined FB hated it Left.. Started my Art Business Joined FB to promote it Hated it left.

              It will absolutely eat you up if you let it.. I get all the Social Networking on the Bunker..

              If there is someone you want to connect with just e mail them …xo baby

            • splog

              Splog’s reaction to facebook (all of it):

              No, I do not want to see photos of your lunch

    • Menna

      Thank you!

  • jazzlover

    Just wanted to chime in here to thank those of you who have taken the time to share your experiences. My heart goes out to you for the crap that you’ve experienced. You also have my admiration for your bravery in speaking out. As a late “boomer” (some would say Gen X) who grew up in the Center of the Universe (read: NYC), I of course have been vaguely aware of the cult for a very long time. I decided to watch the documentary, mainly because it might teach me something, and also because I have great interest in finding out what makes people tick. Needless to say, my mind was blown. I immediately began to think about two issues which I haven’t seen mentioned in the comments to various stories posted here since the doc aired (my apologies if I’ve missed them). It was “clear” (ha ha) to me that most of the victims of this cult (and probably others out there) are members of the “boomer” generation. So, being a part of that and having grown up in a city where one would have to literally sleep walk through life to NOT be exposed to Scientology and things far worse, was I lucky, stupid, clueless, well taken care of…..Or all of the above? From a sociological point of view, I think this would make for an interesting discussion. Aside from my outrage about all of the apparent human rights violations happening within the “religion”, another basic outrage comes to mind. Is it possible for any hard working and highly taxed individual in this country (or any other, for that matter) NOT to be annoyed enough to wonder how things might be different if the IRS hadn’t boxed itself into “witch-hunting” honest taxpayers?

    One last comment (if you’ll indulge me). As you can tell from my screen name, I love jazz. I’ve also admired Chick Corea’s music for a number of years. All of his CDs contain a “heartfelt” thank you to L. Ron Hubbard for his “inspiration”. Those of us in the jazz community have always known that Chick is a Scientologist, and have always chuckled about it, for the most part. I have to say that seeing Corea, front and center yukking it up as the self-aggrandizing mental midget slapped himself on the back for “beating” the IRS literally made me sick. I’m now considering melting down all my Chick CDs and sending them en masse to Miscavige in Hollywood with a note that reads “Eat it, Dave!”.

    • Mymy88

      You said: “Is it possible for any hard working and highly taxed individual in this country (or any other, for that matter) NOT to be annoyed enough to wonder how things might be different if the IRS hadn’t boxed itself into “witch-hunting” honest taxpayers?”

      NO! Not only that, but how about nobody even knew about this story until ‘Going Clear’. Grrr. I was jaw drop shocked and a little frightened when I found out about that.

      • jazzlover

        I suspect that the average outsider (like me) would never had cared enough to investigate the tax implications. Additionally, from my own perspective, Scientology always seemed creepy (those old Dianetics commercials, for instance) in the way it was pushed and advertised. It seemed that it was it’s own worst enemy because it made it easy enough to just assume that it was all just a bunch of nonsense. Now that I am learning more about it (thanks to all the former “insiders” here and elsewhere), I am truly afraid for my 2 teenagers. The blurb about the daughter of the rich dentist from Queens partnering up with the NYC school system for a “drug free America” literally made me sit up and take notice, beyond the other atrocities.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I highly recommend Steven Hassan’s recent “Combating Cult Mind Control”. It includes scientology but goes beyond. Steven and Jon Atack have both reiterated that these types of groups are growing – which surprised the hell out of me. On the other hand, I look around and see a rise in fanatic fundamentalism in what is to me an alarming rate. Education is the key. Many of us want to see this taught in schools for this reason. You see how difficult it is once “in” – so innoculation is the best solution.

          • jazzlover

            Thanks for the recommendations. I sometimes fear, though, that mind control is happening in some of the places usually thought to be “good” and benign as far as that goes. My kids, for instance, were forced to take classes which focused on cyber bullying, and the like during middle school. Heck, they were even “D.A.R.E.”‘d to death. On the surface, it seems like a good idea. However, if you look a little deeper, it gives kids the feeling that they always have to look over their shoulders, that there’s always gonna be something threatening just around the bend. When I was a kid, nobody thought to teach anyone about physical bullying (no cyber then, of course). When faced with it, you just learned to “man up” on the fly, as they say.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Yeah, that era is long gone. You just have to check out who all is “reaching out’ at your children’s school before they even get in. If you have an objection, you let it be known and why. I hate going through the airports now too, but when you gotta go, you have to educate yourself on all of it. Easy to say, I know.

            • jazzlover

              Educating myself is what reading here is all about. Thanks for your encouragement. There’s too much going on in this story to ignore it any longer. As I mentioned earlier, the whole religion/tax exemption thing should be enough to piss off every single working American. The horrible treatment of people inside will piss off a smaller subset, unfortunately.

          • Ardent

            There is scientific evidence that those years are quite important for the development of the individual. Apparently one really lays down a lot of social and judgement skills during puberty. In boys particularly (I hope I have this right), they can take until the early 20s to fully integrate their mindset. Blah, blah, blah…

        • Mymy88

          Yes, I hear you. In this case “the more you know” the more horrified you become.

    • Cosmo Pidgeon

      The Boomer observation is real. Many of us made the leap from 60’s.70’s psychedelics directly to Scientology. The use of LSD although at times enlightening is not sustainable unless you have a plan to render yourself severely impaired permanently a la Syd Barrett. Scientology offered a drug free high and there was no evidence of it being a trap early on.

      • Ardent

        That is an interesting consideration, Mr. Pidgeon. I hadn’t made any connection along those lines.

      • jazzlover

        Generally, I agree. But we all have been lost at one time or another during our lives. What makes some more susceptible to this kind of stuff than others. Could this in any way be viewed as “damning” on the generation itself??? Or is it more a statement on how a country made the average citizen at the time feel a sense of hopelessness (because we all know that is what cults need to thrive). As I said above, it was one of my first observations about the victims featured in the documentary. I was very surprised, for instance, about how naive and child-like Mr. Haggis seemed. That’s not a “judgment”, just an observation.

        • YNDOT

          I didn’t think he was child like at all. In fact, his “What the fuck?” reaction to reading about Xenu seemed spot on.

          • jazzlover

            Maybe “child-like” is the wrong phrase. Surprisingly vulnerable may be more like it. Not usually how we like to see our media heroes. But, I thought he was brave to show himself that way, nonetheless.

        • Anonymous

          A great deal of the recruitment success of Scientology during the 60’s and 70’s was the organization simply riding on the coattails of societal upheaval…people looking for something different than the lockstep two-kids-and-and-a-mortgage life model of the immediate post WWII period.

          Because we tend to focus on the nuttiest aspects of Scientology here, it tends to make the entire subject seem to be without any redeeming quality whatsoever, which begs the question…WTF were people thinking when they joined?

          While Narconon may be a failure as a drug rehab program for folks that are seriously messed up with addiction…sometimes getting off drugs and getting away from the petty crime and wasted time often linked with the lifestyle of folks who are immersed in drugs, requires nothing more than hanging out with people who do not do drugs and who are involved in some sort of organized activity that is not overtly criminal.

          All of Scientology was not always a hostile mess. Decades ago, many parts of it had a spirit of adventure and discovery and for some that did not have other direction, it offered a level of organizational responsibility to young, inexperienced folks that might takes decades to acquire in the larger world.

          It is not uncommon to hear someone say that “Scientology saved my life” and this may actually be true, in the sense that a person may have exited a path they were on and gotten away from a destructive pattern of behavior by getting involved in Scientology.

          That the church could not deliver the larger benefits it promised is now manifestly clear, which is why so many people have bailed out of the organization. That the whole organization has become toxic, destructive and incredibly coercive (not just the parts where senior leadership operate) has effectively halted recruitment except from 2nd and 3rd generations.

          This is not a “Miscavige is to blame for the church’s failure” rant…it would have deteriorated anyway because the it is a failed study….but it IS possible for something that was not great to begin with to actually become worse…and it most certainly has with time.

          • jazzlover

            Thanks for that. Your observations make a lot of sense. However, the question still remains: weren’t there other ways to feel like one was doing something different? To me now, it’s pretty obvious that LRH was either a loon or a grand manipulator, or both. Was it easier to hide that in the pre-internet days? I mean, as I was growing up in the 70s, I steered clear of people with strange and extreme passions as a general rule. Was that more because my parents had already lived through the 50s and 60s and saw enough to teach me to do that, or was I just a lucky so and so? This is interesting to me because it seems that absolutely anyone could be susceptible to mind melding, even for a passing NY minute. However, why the boomers? I suppose that could have been more connected to the timing of the onset than anything else. But still, I don’t think it would be a reach to say that many today are tired (to some degree) of the whole mortgage/2 and a half kids model. I think it’s a part of the “American way” that is likely to stay forever.

            • Anonymous

              Of course there were other things people could do…and most did.

              Scientology is and always has been tiny…much, much smaller than their ridiculous PR lies indicate.

              People do not sign up with Scientology for crazy or to be abused.

              When they find out about those things, they frequently leave.

              Like many coercive groups, the crazy and the abuses in Scientology are revealed / discovered over a long period of involvement…this was especially true before the internet.

              This link gives a good illustration of the situation that people encounter:

              http://exscn.net/content/view/178/105/

            • Anonymous

              For some insight into the reasons why some individuals got involved with Scientology, see the 300+ short online interviews with former Scientologists accessible at this link: http://alley.ethercat.com/cgi-bin/door/door.cgi?1.

              A common (not ubiquitous) reason for why people got involved was loneliness.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Those kind of drugs turned out to be the gateway drugs to the auditing drug.

        • Cosmo Pidgeon

          I think you realize how true this is.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            There were all kinds of cray cray at the time to dip into, just as there are all kinds of cray cray today. Every generation has their cray cray.

  • Always Amazed

    Sé de un salón de roscar excelente en el exterior.

    (translated- I know of an excellent threading salon on the outside.)

  • Always Amazed

    Sounds like a wonderful series! I hope they can get/ keep it going. I have visiting the Ex-KIds site, I thought it was great, but it is inactive. No posting in forum since 2013, for the most part.

    I will definitely kick in for that.

  • Jimmy Threetimes
    • Dawn G

      Where the hell you think you’re going? You sit back down in that chair until you finish those brussels sprouts.

    • Super Power Wogsy

      Where’s your signed approval mister?

      • Richard Grant

        Listen to Wogsy. You need to get your CSW in, 3X.

    • L. C. Spencer

      Wait, what? We just finished Easter! It’s the longest possible time before more Lent!

    • NOLAGirl

      Come back here. I have all these dandelions for you. 😀

    • Vaquera

      As in see you tomorrow? Right? RIGHT?!!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It’ Tax Day tomorrow, so that’s where he’s probably going. By the tone of it, yep, taxes.

        • Vaquera

          Good enough. Thx.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Good as a guess as anyone else’s.

    • Juicer77

      Don’t leave me Jimmy. It’s too saccharine here without you.

  • Panopea Abrupta

    I haven’t seen this mentioned on the Bunker.
    Twenty upcoming books on $cientology.
    Gonna need new shelves :)

    Caek and popcorn territory:

    https://whyweprotest.net/threads/twenty-upcoming-books-on-scientology.124766/

  • Robert

    There’s not going to be many people left to support their evil corporation if they keep disconnecting from everyone.
    They don’t want the criminals ( which Tom Cruise said they would reform) , they don’t want the gays, don’t want any one associated with someone who has disconnected from the church, and they don’t want people who don’t make or have any access to money. who’s left??

    • Lucille Austero

      Ah. So you have detected a flaw in their strategery then?

      • Draco

        Hah! Good snark :)

      • Juicer77

        (Lucille I always read your posts in Lizavoice :)

      • Robert Eckert

        1. Disconnect from everyone.
        2. Steal their underpants.
        3. ???
        4. PROFIT!

        • Lucille Austero

          Naturally, I bestow an upvote upon you for the use of the word “underpants.”

    • Jgg2012

      Davey is left. Not his wife, father or niece, mind you, but Davey and TC will always be left.

      • Draco

        And don’t forget Lou…

    • Draco

      They also don’t want the folks who have seen or read “Going Clear”. Really cuts down on the recruitment pool, doesn’t it?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Bob Duggan, Nancy CartwrightKirstie Alley, Jenna Elfman, Elizabeth Moss, rest of the Sci Celebs Club, et al, and various, assorted millionaires. If you’re already sitting on several billions of dollars, with no accountability to anyone anywhere, how many $millions per month can you scrape by on? Miscavige seems to have enough wealth worshipers to keep him drowning in the lifestyle to which he has become accustomed. A couple billionaries and a hundred millionaries should do it.

      • ze moo

        What do you do when your business doesn’t attract new customers? You do your best to keep the current ones. If the business plan involves an expensive infrastructure, you control costs and try to keep profits up.

        By making everyone re-re-re train when a semi-colon correct version is published, you keep the training and study end of things profitable. This is the moving target scam.

        By constantly begging {regging in the clam vernacular} for money for new buildings, you keep the ‘donations’ part of the scam profitable. There are at least 4 profit centers in the clampire.

        1. training and auditing

        2. donations for the IAS

        3. profits from the ‘social betterment’ scam, NarCONon, Criminion, Applied Scholastics, ABLE and Allah alone knows what parts I’ve not included

        4. profits from Lroon ‘fiction’. Author Services and DM alone control that profit center. As it is not a ‘charitable’ corporation, there is no IRS form 990 to look for. When Battlefield Earth and Mission Earth came out, there was some real money coming in. The payments from the BE movie should have been substantial. Not Steven King substantial, but some nice change.

        Balance all the profits with an infrastructure that has substantial costs {worldwide} and labor costs that boarder on slave wages and you have a pyramid that rests on very unsteady legs. The recent replacement of commission earning staff with Sea bOrg in Los Angles speaks to what amounts to a layoff of higher earning staff. The tales of various Sea bOrg ‘missions’ to out of the way places like Edinburgh Scotland and Copenhagen to rope in ‘customers’ for Clearwater speaks to a need for profits in Clearwater.

        The 4 legged table appears to need some shims to keep from wobbling. NarCONon is not the profit center it once was. I don’t think Criminon ever got off the ground. All the rest are buried under corporations that will never report their fiscal health.

        So much of any attempt to analyze the fiscal health of $cientology is supposition. Even if one takes confirmation bias into account, you have to deal with shoddy bookkeeping and a huge lack of real info on the monetary health of $cientology.

        The Sea bOrg number between 3 and 5 thousand. The total worldwide population of $cienos is between 30 and 50 thousand. This means the sea borg are perhaps 10% of the clampire. That is an overhead that is a major line item in any financial statement. How long can those numbers be supported?

        For me, that is what make clam baking fun. Watching for the water to boil and the butter to melt.

    • Richard Grant

      Thanks for this comment, Robert — you’re absolutely spot on.

      I hope you’ve been properly welcomed to the Bunker. It’s so great to have fresh voices here. Not that there’s anything wrong with the old voices, but you know. I suppose I should be quiet and cook dinner.

      • Ardent

        Have a nice meal, Richard, and thanks for your interactions downthread.
        Cheers,
        Ardent

    • Juicer77

      Welcome, Robert! Well said.

    • Ardent

      Hello Robert.

  • Toni m

    Yesterday when someone made me aware of the trailer, the video had 8 subscribers before I subscribed and 40-45 viewers. Today it has 62 subscribers and 1393 viewers. It’s getting big and is only the trailer. Don’t forget to click the like button when you see it. And AGP (that I hope is not mad with us anymore) offer to help them with his skills as an animator specialist.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X ***
    Yesterday’s removals: Down & Vertical after Sunday best score: Welcome Portland, Portland leads LA.

    Complete IRS form 13909: see Tony Ortega : http://tonyortega.org/2015/04/13/if-you-want-the-irs-to-reexamine-scientologys-tax-exempt-status-its-time-to-get-real/#more-21822
    And Jeffrey Swift : http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/04/18/time-to-13909-the-church-of-scientology/
    Write a personal letter to your congress person.

    Check the New / Revised / improved RedX tips : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-119#post-2525027
    Flag co$ lies by using the RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml
    F5… Longing the Dark Tower by Andy Factor enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/15888955519/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Juicer77

      Hope the computer issues are all fixed, P! :)

      http://whoismyrepresentative.com/

      • Pierrot

        No computer problem. Just Electricity load shedding.
        In RSA morning the load shedding affected the Internet provider, in the evening we got power outage in our area. And apparently it can only get worst!

        • splog

          6-10pm slot? That one is the worst (dinner time!).

          I get 2-6pm, which I can deal with

          • Pierrot

            I had to take the wife out for dinner. And it is scheduled for 3x a week! I would swop with you anytime! I could end up costing a small fortune.
            I have my laptop and a small ups to keep my router going, as long as Telkom does not shut down completely like this morning.

            • splog

              3x a week? ouch! I bought a 5-burner gas stove for that :-)

              First I hear Telkom went down from load-shedding; I know that IS ran out of diesel in Randburg a few months back. The end times are coming, heh?

      • Pierrot

        “Load shedding” is an euphemism for “we can’t supply enough electricity so f.. u it is your turn to be without” (generally 4H1/2 at a time for “Phase 2” they are threatening us with phase 3 and 6h1/2 outage per day). Viva Africa!

  • Stephanie Loving

    I just donated to Growing Up Scientology from Cradle to Slave at Kickstarter. They already have 32 backers. Let’s make that 100 by the end of the day!

    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/80844052/growing-up-scientology-from-cradle-to-slave

    • Basketballjane

      Thank you!!!!

      • Stephanie Loving

        GO Basketballjane ;o)
        FYI all … This project will only be funded if at least $15,000 is pledged by Wed, May 13 2015 3:46 PM PDT. So let’s kick it at Kickstarter.

    • SarahDB

      I just donated as well, up to almost $3k now!

  • Ardent

    Down-thread this link was posted. I’ll re-link here. The conversation between Lawrence Wright and Alec Baldwin is very interesting in and of itself, and does give Tom Cruise another wedgie.

    http://www.wnyc.org/story/lawrence-wright/

    Enjoy!

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      A TC wedgie-loving the imagery, thanks Ardent :)

      • Ardent

        My pleasure: I was pleased with it myself, to be honest.

    • Tony Ortega

      I’ve also put it into the post.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Yay – so Bunker Worthy.

        • Ardent

          It was really interesting. I really liked that Alec didn’t actually beg off Tom Cruise. Rather, he gently opened the door. And Lawrence Wright stepped in and dropped the truth-bombs.

      • Ardent

        Thanks, Tony. I didn’t know about this radio program. I have sent my computer a command to favourite it.
        And thanks again so much for offering us a civilised forum (see post way down thread).

      • Captain MustSavage

        Hi Tony, it would be great to insert Mark Bunkers recent podcast too.

    • Vaquera

      I’m almost through the interview. So. Very. Good. Such a joy listening to an interview where the host isn’t enamored with his own voice. Alec Baldwin allows Larry Wright the time to answer confusing ideas thoroughly.

      Ha! Now Larry is interviewing Alec about Alec’s brushes with Scio Hollywood.

  • Observer

    Somewhere downstream some peeps were discussing Scientology troll elle, who frequents other sites and apparently resorts to calling people “derps” when she can’t come up with anything else.

    If those sites allow pics, I humbly submit this as something which may be posted as a non-verbal response to the derp epithet.

    refresh

    • ElleGee

      LMFAO!!!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You’re feeling better, aren’t you?

      • Observer

        Yes. Still feeble but definitely better. I strongly advise not catching whatever this was.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Good to hear, but if you can, try not to do too much too fast. This sounds like one of those killer bugs that keep you down for weeks. Then again, artists’ masterpieces sometimes pop up during fevered nights!

        • Ardent

          So glad you are on the mend!

        • coonellie

          Caught it from Baby C Monday :(. D-O-N-O-T-L-I-K-E-I-T…crawling back to my work (cannot take anytime off).

          • Observer

            Be careful, especially if you have asthma. I’ve had the flu turn into pneumonia on me twice before.

        • thetastic

          How did you get me sick over the internet? And for the love of god, WHY?

          • Observer

            I didn’t mean it!

    • ItsIBBy

      *dead*

    • flyonthewall

      love at first sight

    • Ardent

      I dislike ad hominem argument (although I fall into the trap, myself). In this case I have to say, that is a very strange-looking person. Never mind the nonsense books…

      • Observer
      • Juicer77

        Shers fermurs!

      • flyonthewall

        that’s the politest way I’ve ever heard anyone say “bitch you are damn ugly!”

        • Ardent

          Sometimes it is so difficult NOT to just devolve to being 14 again…

  • eloise

    Am I the only one who can’t get the Wright/Baldwin thing to load?

    • Sydjazz

      Working on my ipad

      • pronoia

        You might need the wnyc app for the iPad.

    • eloise

      Ok. Works if i go to WNYC directly but the embed above won’t work for me.

  • Valhalkarie

    These “scientologist parents” are definetly insane and unstable,they literally had children,there children grew up and started to have “there truth,there human right to freedom of religion” and there scientologist parents decided oh well,they are expressing one of there human rights we beLIEve in,I don’t have any kids anymore. Why do they all put up with thus bullshit,why won’t anyone start a resistance group!!!!! How can you justify any of that as helping man kind? Tearing your life apart will clear the planet some how??!!

  • Sydjazz

    I guess monobrows aren’t entheta :)

    • Vaquera

      If they were, I’d have to disconnect from my sister.

      • Observer

        Snort!

  • Juicer77

    O Hai OSA, you realize you are spitting in the ocean here?

    • Observer

      I think that was a spambot.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Seems like it. I was just thinking of a good witch doctor tune too.

      • Juicer77

        Could beeeeeee….. *raises eyebrow*

        • Vaquera

          “raises monobrow”

          • Juicer77

            Well played!

        • Observer

          No, not Cambot … spambot! 😀

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Not Camelot .. it’s Spamalot! (Sorry, Mr. Hole and I were talking last night about our first NY trip and we saw Spamalot with John Lithgow.)

          • Juicer77

            Maybe Gypsy is malfunctioning again.

    • Sydjazz

      Is that spelt with a p or an h :)

    • Snake Plissken

      If they lack the capacity to realize they’re suckers of a con game, I doubt there’s much they will be able to realize … including the uselessness of their feeble attempt to suppress the truth about the con game

  • flyonthewall

    Great! Just great! Dr. Klepklop’s post was removed. Where am I suppose to get an AIDS spell now!?

    • Suppressive Tomato

      I was in the process of thanking him for his helpful info and about to ask if he wanted a free personality test. Schucks.

      • flyonthewall

        Maybe you could of traded him for a killing spell?

        • Science Doc

          My real name is a killing word, so I don’t need a stinking spell.

          • flyonthewall

            you frighten me

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Is your real name perhaps Muad’dib?

    • Observer

      Fear not, richard Rita has stepped into the gap!

      • flyonthewall

        fear not I will be next tell story home out yes

      • NOLAGirl

        Geez, these people act like we can’t get voodoo. LOL Just come down here. 😀

    • Pierrot

      and the best one
      11. Getting your scam money back.

      • flyonthewall

        that’s ironical

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      and you can’t get your husband back either–darn it

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      well it mite have been the one the other day–thank God i divorced mine and don’t want him back

  • Juicer77

    … Troll or spambot, now what?

    • Observer

      Flag. We’ve had these fortuneteller spambots before.

      • Juicer77

        I did. Can I put it in a jar and poke it?

        • Observer

          The last couple we’ve had responded to responses with more canned blather. There’s nobody behind them to feel the poke.

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            Oooh, we had a spambot? Good sign on the Bunkers traffic!

            • Observer

              Two!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Witch doctors – i kid you not!

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Hahaha….now that is a new one.

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Hang on a minute… not wanting to sound weird, but was surfing through the comments to upvote, saw the BTN avi, and had to do a bit of a double take… Hi Suzanna! (I hope you don’t mind that when I created my disqus account, I borrowed your nuts!-only it described very succinctly what I thought of $cn :) {with my simian moniker secreted between the two!})

      • NOLAGirl

        Unless they can tell me when it’s going to stop fucking raining here, I have no use for them right now. The sinus pressure and the constant grey skies are making me bitchy.

        • Juicer77

          * hands NOLA a kitten and a strawberry margarita *

          • NOLAGirl

            <3 You Juicer!! (((hugs)))

      • kemist

        Cool.

        Maybe we’ll get the guy who fixes computer telepathically.

        • Observer

          As long as he lets you pay him telepathically …

          • kemist

            “Wait, I’m sending you my credit card number by thelepathy… Now.”

            • $cnMonkeyNut$

              Postulated payments preferentially processed, post promptly for first fixes!

        • Robert Eckert

          He says he can not only fix defective sectors on your hard drive but can “equally well” treat cancer at a distance, problems with erection, and make your neighbor in love with you. Yeah, I bet he does all those things equally well.

          • kemist

            He is also internationaly known in his neighborhood.

            Whatever that means.

            • Robert Eckert

              It must be a very cosmopolitan neighborhood.

    • Mymy88

      lololol, reminds me of this…

      Dog Fights Off His Own Paw

      https://www.youtube (dot) com/watch?v=uDqaophyWIg

  • PoisonIvyHerself

    Stunned and moved by the promo, Scientology kids. I will donate. And in kind services if you need them. Tony knows how to reach me.
    All of this really choked me up today. The progress has been so slow – but it’s happening. If anyone EVER questioned the trope that the truth will set you free, well, here’s your proof that it’s dead on right.
    Thanks for being such a great platform for these storytellers, Tony.
    xo PI

    • Room 101

      What services do you provide?

      • NOLAGirl

        She provides the tools to obtaining your very own SP Super Powers. Hehehe!!

        Ok, I’m just kidding. PI has talents involving film-making. ; )

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          does she have a twitter acct so she gets this news? hahah. How the hell do you get anything done? I didn’t run over anything on my first ride. I’m pretty sure.

          • Ella Raitch

            That’s in her real life identity. Not sure if she is out in the open with that.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Tks. I’m just excited and hope word gets to her ASAP about PI’s offer.

            • NOLAGirl

              So…ixnay on the SP powers?? LOL :)

          • NOLAGirl

            I don’t know if she does, you’d have to ask her. I don’t think I’ve seen her there, unless she uses a different name on Twitter.

            You’re doing great on your first day, like I said, you’ll have it down in a couple days. ; ) I keep up by keeping my Notifications open in a separate window. That way you can just pop over and answer any tweets you get if need be.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thanks for going with me on first day of kindergarten.

            • NOLAGirl

              You’re very welcome love. I am here for any questions you have. No questions are “dumb questions”…. How many of my Co$ questions have you answered over my time here?? A lot! I am happy to help. :)

          • Basketballjane

            You are on Twitter now? What is your @ ?

            • Davka

              Go talk to Poison Ivy – she can help with the videos! :)

      • Ella Raitch

        PI is a documentary film maker

    • Juicer77

      (*waves* That’s a nice offer :)

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Wow – fantastic! BasketballJane – this is such marvelous news. Thank you PI

    • Basketballjane

      Thank you so much!!! For sure we will be in contact!

      • Baby

        I am so excited for you BasketballJane.. Fabulous..

    • http://madhatter.ca/ Wayne Borean

      Rather like an avalanche. Slow at first, but unstoppable when it gets moving.

  • Ardent

    I’m off. Thanks to all for interesting posts and site-sharing. Cheers.

    • Science Doc

      Bye.

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      G’night Ardent :)

    • ElleGee

      Adios Amigo!

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      good night Ardent

    • Juicer77

      Good night, Ardent!

  • Science Doc

    Just listened to Wright and Baldwin. Great interview and it further elevated my view of both of them.

    • Synthia Fagen

      Yes great interview and Baldwin has a great voice for radio.

      • flyonthewall

        a good face for radio too

        • Synthia Fagen

          Yes, and a good…(never mind) 😉

        • beauty for ashes

          no that means they’re ugly dontcha know?

          • flyonthewall

            I do. Daniel Baldwin is the good looking one. Rroowww!

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              ugh

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          i think he is handsome

          • flyonthewall

            meh, nothing a good acid attack wouldn’t fix

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              oh no-you did not say that

            • flyonthewall

              I kid, I kid! He’s really funny in 30 Rock. And Glengarry glenross is one of my fav movies. He’s good, I’m just being an ass

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Now I wonder if he sat in on some 3 am reg sessions for a model.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              oh i know you are kidding-no worries-he can be so funny even though he comes off as a ass- alot

          • Baby

            I wouldn’t throw him out of bed..

            My Husband might..but not me..

            • Mockingbird

              WTF !!!!?

            • Super Power Wogsy

              you have your nerve MB !!!

            • Mockingbird

              WHOA !! I can see but , other than the truly wonderful saint Mrs. Mockingbird I am NEVER allowed to touch !!!!

            • Baby

              Hahhaha OMG..

              I meant If Alec was in bed with me.my husband would throw him out.. hahhaa

              I’m all talk..I’m madly in love.

            • Mockingbird

              Well Scientology will provide the madly part !!!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              naaaaaaaaah….he aight

      • ElleGee

        When I hear his voice I still think of SNLs “Schwetty Balls” skit.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      i wonder if in private if Alec-has-or is-going to try to talk to TC.especially about him profiting from sea-org

      • Juicer77

        His best bet is to maintain that friendly working relationship and casually mention his podcast with Wright. Could lead in about ISIS and political stuff, seeing as how Tom has met all the world leaders.

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          yeah ALL of them-I think he really believes all the smoke blown up his ass.

        • ElleGee

          The Leaders of The Leaders.

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          it a very sad story about Tim Jones having to go identify the bodies at Jones town

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      i wonder if wright is still married to his wife

      • pronoia

        Yes. Wright refers to her by name in the interview as his current wife (tells the story of how they married in 1971).

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          that’s what i thought but wasn’t sure-its a really cool story

    • Baby

      One thing I’ll say.. You want Baldwin on your side.. He will Run with it.

  • eloise

    Alec can be an insufferable blowhard but good on him for taking this on.

  • eloise

    And I decided ‘eff it’ and donated to the kickstarter and sent and IRS form. If my employer takes issue I’ll jump off that bridge when I come to it.

    • ze moo

      Any employer that takes issue with what you have done is inviting a lawsuit.

      • eloise

        It’s about ethics in religious sociopath journalism. 😉 I kid, I kid…

    • Frodis73

      I really think you will be okay and shouldn’t worry about it.

  • Frodis73

    Ha! Wait til the sci’s get a hold of this! I know they say they don’t forbid aspirin, but I’ve read too many stories from ex’s that say it is def frowned upon at the least.
    https://www.yahoo.com/health/tylenol-may-change-your-mood-as-it-relieves-your-116389056967.html

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      Ha! Awesome…..pain, and pain in the ass relief…all in one medicine!

    • aquaclara

      I promised to post a pic today….Here we go. We had a long winter; so here he is, just a month ago, all bundled up for a walk in the woods.

      • Mymy88

        Awwww! Puppers has his coaty on to keep him warms warms. Such a happy puppers!

      • Frodis73

        Wow, he does look like Murph!!! Does his nose change color with the seasons by chance? Lol, I totally want to kiss your dog.

        • aquaclara

          I have been doing double-takes with your avi for a while. Cutie dogs…his snout gets a bit darker in the winter, and he grew a fur cost this year for the first time. He is usually a short-haired dog ( thus the coat). The look on his face is the response to me telling him it was way too cold for swimming. He thought otherwise. But mommies prevail.

          • Frodis73

            Awww. Murph dug the water too.

      • Baby

        Beautiful..absolutely beautiful dog Aqua.. OMG.. I’ll trade you 5 for one..haha

        • aquaclara

          Aaw, you aren’t giving up your fur babies ever!

          • Baby

            Today I would have..hahahhaa.. xoxo but you are right.. I would give up my heart first..

      • truth will set u free

        Here’s one of my Sally -girl …sorry if u have to.look sideways I’m a using a tablet

        • aquaclara

          Oh, she is so cute! Look at her sitting there like a good girl.

        • Zana

          Beautiful!!

        • Frodis73

          So many dog (animals in general) lovers here at the Bunker…it must be a thing. :-) Your baby is too cute and looks like a dog I babysit occasionally.

        • Baby

          Absolutely beautiful..awwwwwwww those big eyes..I could never say no..never..ha

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        I don’t want to be controversial, but I’m willing to bet that’s a good doggie. I’ve seen good doggies before, and I’m pretty sure that’s one of them. I’m pretty damn sure that’s a good doggie. Ask him or her if they’re a good doggie. I bet they agree.

        • DMSTCC

          2 Reasons I don’t post much.
          1. Most posts already said what I feel
          2. My dog treat recipes are top secret

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I’ve noticed you don’t post much anymore. You’re missed, buddy.

          • aquaclara

            Welcome back! And oh do share your dog treat recipes, pleeeeze.

        • aquaclara

          He is a very good doggy. He gives me his paw to say so. And then I give him a treat for giving me his paw. It’s a great deal for both of us!

          He also protects me from fierce evil bunnies, that, judging from their poop in the yard, must be at least five feet tall and somehow prefer our yard over the two nearby with tasty gardens and sans the presence of bunny-hunters.

          He is a rescue, from a litter that had been thrown out as trash. He has overcome many fears, and has his Canine Good Citizenship, although I wouldn’t test this in a nursing home or hospital! I might be running after him in the halls -he can sprint like the wind.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            One of mine is a rescue from an Amish farm that simply placed the litter outside to fend for themselves. A very kind-hearted organization found her and her brothers hiding in a storm drain.

            Sometimes I ask her for paw, then I say something like, “Never mind. I’m not interested in this paw anymore” just to hear her say “Arrrrroooooooo roooooooo roooooo!!!”

            She knows I’m messing with her, and she’s very impatient.

            • aquaclara

              She’s singing. We know that song! Good for you for your rescue. It’s a very good thing. Placed outside to fend for themselves. Horrible.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yeah. Unfortunately, the Amish have a very different view on dogs than most of us. If they don’t provide a service or raise money for supplies, they don’t matter. They really don’t care about a dog’s well-being.

            • aquaclara

              No, they don’t. They are also a large source of the puppy mills in my state. There are some excellent volunteer organizations that help take in many simply let go by breeders, thankfully. But it’s not enough.

            • Frodis73

              Yes, they Amish run a bunch of puppy mills here too. I have a big problem with that…they are just like cattle to them. :-(

          • Baby

            Awwwwwww Thank you for rescuing him Aqua.. I loved my many dogs that I have rescued. I had an English Springer that was so thankful and loving..

            You both lucked out..and are so lucky to have each other..xoxo love baby

      • Frodis73

        I can’t stop looking at your pic. I emailed a copy to my ex and my mom so they could see Murph’s long lost son/brother. Lol.

        • aquaclara

          :-)

        • Baby

          That’s funny doggie.. That much alike, huh? Beautiful coloring..

  • Tory Christman

    I absolutely **love** this interview with Alex and Lawrence! Thank you both, and thank you Tony for this new series………….it is time. 😀

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I love it, too. Never knew that Baldwin, could ask such great questions.

    • Baby

      Tory..I love your new Avi.. You look like a movie star dahlin.. xo

      • DangDadgummit

        The difference between no lights to speak of and the Avi, which is CNN studio lighting. :)

      • Tory Christman

        CNN BABY! :)

        • Baby

          Doesn’t get much better than that, huh? Perfect reminder of that night. Beautiful picture.

    • Zana

      Where can I hear it. I couldn’t get the above link to play. I definitely want to hear it. !!

      • Tory Christman

        I just clicked on the link above, Zana…and it worked. I’m not sure how else to hear it. Anyone else know? :)

        • Zana

          Thank you. I clicked on one of the links and was able to get through.

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paIgd_lvAuI&feature=share Ginger Sugerman

    Love the interview with Baldwin and Wright.

  • NOLAGirl

    Damn, retweet the Baldwin/Wright interview link and the Baldwin haters come out. Meh, I’ve been called worse by better. :) (F5)

    • Suzanna Nielsen

      Bwaahhaaahaaa. You go girl.
      Starts humming the Denis Leary song…..

      • NOLAGirl

        Apparently to this person, with 6 followers, any Alec Baldwin link is some endorsement of him and his lifestyle (of which I know nothing about). LOL Whatever, trolls don’t bother me. I’ll block a MF in a heartbeat. :)

        • Todd Tomorrow

          He gets drunk and locks himself in airplane bathrooms because he’s told he has to turn off his ipad like regular people.. Seems like he has an issue with alcohol like Charlie Sheen. Anybody could interview Wright, and I’d enjoy it.

          • NOLAGirl

            Then I hope he gets some help for that, but again, I don’t know anything about his life and my time is taken up fighting an actual problem. Trolls can get fucked. (not directed at you Todd :)

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Thanks, my point was that Wright is always interesting to hear! What a guy.

            • NOLAGirl

              He is, and someone made the comment earlier that he almost ended up interviewing Alec when they were talking about his experiences at the Beverly Hills Playhouse. Wright could do his own podcast. That, I would listen to.

            • MaxSpaceman

              He’s got so many projects in the hopper, he’s already scheduled for years to come. His podcast might be sometime in his late 60s, then he might slow down enough to podcast. :)

          • Beth

            whoa. He wasn’t drunk on that plane. It’s kind of fucked up to kick a recovering alcoholic with easy slams like that. It’s libel. He obviously has a bad temper (punching photographers, fighting with flight attendants) , but I can tell you, if he’s on your team it’s a beautiful thing to watch. A comparison to Charlie Sheen is a low (and totally inaccurate) blow. And now he’s taken up the bunker cause. That’s good news for all of us. My 2 cents.

          • beauty for ashes

            Started typing, then forgot what was going to say. So instead enjoy one of my first shoops.

            • Baby

              Awwwww cute Beauty.. big cat..wow..

            • beauty for ashes

              Seriously Baby, can you be any nicer? I so <3 you! You really are a rainbow in the Bunker. You have no idea! (((hugs and fat pugs)))

            • Baby

              beauty.. Oh for pete’s sake.. you just brought a tear to my eye.. such a nice thing to say.

              Hugs and fat pugs? hahahhaha that is so cute..

              I can go to sweet to bitch in seconds though..hahhha xo

            • beauty for ashes

              You brought a tear to MY eye!!!!!! My brain fog has been rolling in really heavy lately. you try to laugh and lighten the mood when it happens, but inside its scary, and you can’t concentrate or remember what you were doing. I was having one of those moments. So I just posted something derpy.
              I got that message from you and it was like a little arm squeeze. You strive to give everybody dignity and self esteem and still manage to be yourself. So I just wanted to give a little back.
              Oh man I must be PMSing! Can I BE any more pukey? Okay I’ll shut up!

            • Baby

              Never shut up baby girl.. Everyone needs to hear such beautiful words. Thank you so much. xoxo baby

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            For someone who claims to have been an alcoholic, you’re awfully shitty to current/recovering alcoholics. You’d think the empathy would be easy. Apparently not.

    • sugarplumfairy

      I think suzie posts here.. I recognize her style..

      • NOLAGirl

        Then I suggest she bring it to the Bunker and not lob bullshit at me on Twitter. All I did was retweet a damn link. I don’t give two fucks what Baldwin does in his personal life. I wasn’t proclaiming him a humanitarian, I was just posting a link. :)

    • L. C. Spencer

      What a brat. I replied to her “Well that escalated quickly”

    • Baby

      OK NO’Leans.. please excuse me for laughing.. What a LAME ASS reply.. hahahhahaa

      • NOLAGirl

        LOL Hers or mine. 😀

        • Baby

          Yours..I chuckled..
          Hers…..I laughed my ass off… hahahhaa

          • NOLAGirl

            Hehehe!! All I can do is laugh at the whole thing, guess she thought she was going to get a childish spat, until she found out I deal with grown-up problems, not nonsensical bullshit on Twitter. 😀

            Haters gonna hate. :)

  • Mymy88

    Hahaha! I just saw Marty Rathbun call David Miscavige Caligula on “Insider”.

    • aegerprimo

      Link? Insider is a TV show?

      • Mymy88

        I’m looking for a link. Yes, it is one of those early evening celebrity gossip shows.

      • Mymy88

        Here is the main page link (below) but I’m sorry, I don’t know what to do after that. I’m not good at finding these kinds of links. It aired tonight at 7:30pm EDT (4/14/15).

        http://theinsider.etonline.com/

        • aegerprimo

          Thankyou!

          • Mymy88

            My pleasure. I hope you were able to watch it. It was a short clip.

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Always thought Nero would be a more appropriate description of DM, with his constant fiddling!

      • L. C. Spencer

        Nero it is, right down to replacing old Orgs with new Orgs!

      • Mymy88

        lol – I don’t know a lot about Nero, but sounds good. Nero the Zero lol.

    • truth will set u free

      No. He is more aptly compared to Napoleon for sure. Little guy with delusions of grandier..

      • Robert Eckert

        But, uh, Napoleon actually did conquer most of the continent. Miscavige would be lucky to make it to Kim Jong Un’s level.

        • Anonymous

          Putting aside the short stuff and the megalomania (if that’s possible) I’m convinced that Hubbard wished he could have done what Napoleon actually did – the Napoleonic Code alone is an achievement of immense and lasting value (as I know you already know.)

        • truth will set u free

          But in terms of how he conquered COS and made it to the top of the heap of the Scio corporate ladder it still fits IMHO

      • Mymy88

        Yes, I’ve heard that Napoleon reference a lot. So true.

  • aegerprimo

    Garcia case in the news…

    Babbitt & Johnson and Weil Quaranta Law Firms Challenge Scientology’s Religious Status in Federal Court
    http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2522129

    Some excerpts…

    “Plaintiffs can produce evidence that Scientology possesses an elaborate corporate structure which is primarily a money making racket aimed less at promoting spiritual values than at squeezing individual Scientologists for as much money as they can pay,” the motion states.

    In an effort to buttress evidence of intimidation, the book and movie say that the organization only won its tax-exempt charitable status from the IRS in 1993 after relentless pressure through 2,400 lawsuits against the IRS and individual IRS employees. That exemption, plaintiff’s lawyers contend, has given the organization cover to present itself as a religion. Before 1993, the IRS, like many countries, denied tax-exempt status because the Church of Scientology made 90 percent of its money from fees rather than donations.

    “There is ample evidence that despite its claimed ‘religious’ teachings and use of quasi-religious vocabulary, Scientology does not really have anything that could be called a theology. Critics suspect that clerical terms like spiritual, God, and Church mainly serve the purpose of tax evasion.”

    • DangDadgummit

      Nice !

    • aquaclara

      I’m thinking lawyers may find this case worth following. It’s a spot-on approach, especially on the heels of Going Clear. People typically assume religion=something focused on good. Here we have a situation where it clearly is not.

      The wild rumpus has already begun….and we have front row seats. Thank you for your monthly press logs, too. – I am always amazed at what I’ve missed. It’s a great historical record.

  • Valhalkarie

    Can someone yell from the roof tops in the Cathlioc Mecca of Mexico city and all the other South American cities scientology says Christ in an implanted engram!!!! He never existed according to LRH!!!!!

  • NOLAGirl

    Have a good night all. I’m off to binge-watch The Blacklist and get caught up. :)

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      Good night NOLAGirl, enjoy the binge and sleep :)

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      good night :)

  • Fred G. Haseney

    Scientology After Going Clear
    Los Angeles Field Operations
    April 14, 2015, 1610 Hours

    Today, I upped the ante and met Big Chief.

    Fred G. Haseney, your West Coast Correspondent, reporting from the corner of L. Ron Hubbard Way and Fountain Avenue, Scientology Incorporated’s (“SI”) West Coast headquarters, the Pacific Area Command Base (aka “PAC Base” or “Big Blue”). I walked along LRH Way toward Fountain Ave., listening to music through headphones, while carrying my trusty camera. I stopped to take a photo of a large advertisement proclaiming that the Flag Land Base must be running out of money, thus the new Flag World Tour that’s about to commence. As I contemplated taking a second photo, a female Sea Org member wearing a blue sweater approached me; in her early 40’s, trim; she wore glasses; her hair short, blond. I have no idea what she said, because I had more interest in listening to “Enya.”

    Funny thing is, I found myself instantly annoyed.

    After thirty-seven years of being approached by Sea Org members just like her, I quickly decided, enough is enough. I’m not strolling for pleasure on LRH Way; this isn’t a pleasure cruise. I recalled all those times when a Sea Org member wanted me to: buy a book; buy a set of books; pay for a course; pay for a bunch of courses; see a DVD from the latest event; come to an event; go to Graduation; be sweet-talked into talking to a Sea Org Recruiter from you-name-it org; give money to the IAS; etc., etc., etc. It’s about time that the Bubble Dwellers know that we all don’t dance the same dance or walk the same walk, just because we might happen to be on LRH Way.

    So I upped the ante with my reply:

    “I’m an anti-Scientologist. Leave me alone.”

    Oh, my goodness! You should see a Sea Org member go immediately into action (or maybe you have). What a trip! As I walked south on LRH Way, the Sea Org gal paralleled my path, head jutted forward, shoulders tightened, steam building and just about to spew from her ears as she arrived at her destination: a Security Guard (“SG”) near Fountain Ave., straddling a mountain bike. As she started talking to the SG about me, all the while not looking at me, I calmly turned around, took off my headphones and stated:

    “She’s reporting me to you because I told her to leave me alone.”

    I turned west on Fountain Ave; at Catalina St., I headed north toward Sunset Blvd., because at the corner is the sign in today’s photograph that I wanted to get a shot of. As I approached the Security area at the entrance on Catalina, Big Chief made an appearance (“Big Chief” being Odo, the “star” of so many Angry Gay Pope Videos). Odo didn’t just happen to stroll out of his office at exactly the same time I walked by; oh, no, I’m sure the SG with an earful of that Sea Org woman had already phoned in the alert.

    Odo is decent enough; friendly, respectful and cheerful. We talked about my first day in the Sea Org, working an all-nighter on the last day of renovations at Los Angeles Organization (“LA Org”); he asked me which renovations i had been involved with (I’ve never had a conversation with any Scientologist in which they asked “which renovations?”). He asked if I live in the neighborhood; I told him that I’ve been living there off and on since 1977. He also recognized me from having been on course a few years back; I said that I’ve worked and trained on the Freewinds and have also trained the Advanced Organization of Los Angeles (“AOLA”), the American St. Hill Organization (“ASHO”) and LA Org.

    I told him that David Miscavige has made a big mess out of things, turning Scientology into some monster, and that I’m here to document Scientology Incorporated’s downfall. I asked Odo for a picture, but he politely declined.

    It’s best that people at PAC Base know up front that we know what they’re doing, and that we’re not in agreement with it.

    The sign in today’s picture reads: “Open House—All Are Welcome” Casa Abierta—Todos Son Bienvenidos”

    A note to Lawrence Wright, Alex Gibney and HBO: Does the book/movie Going Clear come in a Spanish version? It appears that Scientology Incorporated is running out of English-speaking raw public and are now reaching out to the Hispanic community for their bait-and-switch tactics.

    Inspired by Something Can Be Done About It (Mike Rinder’s Blog), “LA Org Bodyrouting,” December 17, 2014.
    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/la-org-bodyrouting/

    • Anonymous

      Great story , excellent effect – Well Done!

    • Sherbet

      Fred, I’m not looking to cause trouble but to open up discussion: I’m getting the impression you still believe in the “tech,” because you are careful to talk about “Scientology Inc.” I admire what you’re doing with the body routers, but I’m wondering how you feel about lrh. I know — it’s not my business and is probably irrelevant. Whatever you choose to answer, please understand I’m really not just stirring the pot. You sound like a really good guy.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        That’s a good, honest statement and question, Sherbet, and I respect that. I like to differentiate between “Scientology” and “Scientology Incorporated” (SI”) because SI is easier to attack, because Four Feet Thirteen has made an ass out of it. SI is also easier to focus on because it’s actually designed or has been altered to hurt and harm people. I know that this still show my fingers still in the pot, so-to-speak. I’ve only been out of that Bubble since August 2014.

        • Sherbet

          I understand, Fred. Some of us never-ins consider the Bunker a scientologist’s half-way house on the way to getting totally out and becoming a complete ex. I admit that’s where I am, and it’s hard for me to accept those who remain lrh’s fans. There are others like me. But do what you have to do, and say what you have to say, and you’ll find a comfortable place for yourself.

          • Fred G. Haseney

            I hear you, Sherbet. For two people to compare notes on something that only one person has experienced can make a common ground a little shaky. As I continue to peel the onion, and to discover entire sections of the “Bubble” still intact, I’ll listen and watch what the Bunker has to offer, because shedding 37 years of Scientology isn’t the same as shedding 37 pounds…

            • Sherbet

              You’re right, and that’s exactly why I defer to any ex’s first-hand experience. I have opinions, and I have knowledge, but, to paraphrase John Sweeney, I “was not there.” As for shedding 37 pounds… :-)

        • Vaquera

          I think you’re brave to be out there, anti-body routing and, also, in the Bunker commenting after only 7 months out of “SI.”

          • Fred G. Haseney

            Thank you, Vaquera; I feel brave. I would never have Body Routed as a Bubble Dweller, but to anti-body route just feels like it’s the right thing to do. The Bunker is a comfortable place to share and compare thoughts, ideas and where it is we’re heading toward… and may that be an environment without the likes of David Miscavige, the “Hole,” the “RPF,” and rampant, unnecessary Disconnection and Suppressive Person declares. An outside agency should intervene and reunite the thousands of families, friendships and work environments that Scientology Incorporated has destroyed. One more thing: any agreement signed by a Scientology parishioner being doing a course or an auditing action (ever since Four Feet Thirteen has been its Leader at least) should become null and void.

        • Baby

          Well..good for you Mr. I certainly detect Critical Thinking Skills in your post!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Welcome out Fred, I have a gut feelin’ things are just going to get better for you! Remind Otto, next time that I got a blowjob off a stranger and they sure didn’t blow as well as Otto’s mother!

          • Fred G. Haseney

            I’ll be sure to relay your message, sir!

    • aquaclara

      Great story.

      • Fred G. Haseney

        Thank you, aquaclara.

        • aquaclara

          I admire your nerve!

          • Fred G. Haseney

            It feels good to finally be able to DO something about it!

            • Tom Yozwiak

              You go Big Fred!

            • Fred G. Haseney

              Thanks, Mr. Y!

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              You’re so right and that is important. I can relate to that as when first going out and confronting, at least those I knew, even with a hello, was doing something I needed to do to feel better. Now I can walk down anyone of their streets and speak if spoken to. Thank you for doing this and I like to hear your stories.

            • Baby

              And carry your books.. I love that about you Rev. Dee..xo

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Ya, push Jenna Miscaviage name and Going Clear. Most don’t even remember her or know she wrote a book, so I love to tell them, friendly of course. When you hold the book up, most will look at it.

            • Fred G. Haseney

              Thanks for visiting JennyAtLAX, too, Dee. Jenny Linson and her wild antics at LAX helped me break through the Bubble of leaving Scientology. At first, I only spoke through Declarations and statements made by Jenny Linson… then JennyAtLAX found her voice… and now so have I.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Oh, I wondered who you were. Thanks, loved that, you, Jenna. Heart-warming it is, thank you so much for finding your voice, no fear, and standing up. I can relate to how freeing it is, us ex’s, who have.

            • Fred G. Haseney

              Your smile tells me that you were once in.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Hahaha. So happy to be free. 13 years public including a go volunteer, but long ago, then put in a year, ’11 and saw the changes. Researched started in ’12 and got all my questions answered and am full fledged to seeing the end of the cult era.

            • Fred G. Haseney

              Full fledged we be, Dee!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Thank you Fred!

          • Fred G. Haseney

            Hey, it’s TT!

    • Eileen

      I look forward to your updates!

    • Baby

      I also love your updates Fred. I think it’s very important to show them that we aren’t scary in your face critics. I would have loved to have seen that SO’s face..hahahhahaa ..( HOW DARE YOU I AM ELITE FORCE) blah, blah..

      thanks for the pictures..I always enjoy them.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      For a while they were handing out snacks on that corner! Made me think of a certain other fairy tale:

      (refresh)

      • Todd Tomorrow

        He looks like a body router for Chick Fillet. I wouldn’t ever eat snacks off the street from anybody let alone a dangerous cult. Now if I was homeless I bet they wouldn’t offer me any. Does anyone remember what type of snacks they were?

  • Super Power Wogsy

    I’m sorry but Alec Baldwin sounds sexy as hell…great interview

    • Vaquera

      I might have to listen to it again while falling asleep… *cough, cough*

      • Super Power Wogsy

        Guuuuuurl, I don’t blame you. I don’t think I’ve ever heard any guy say The Church of Scientology (1:30) in such a hmmm how should I say…a niiiiiiice way. Omg, i feel like dressing up and going to a jazz club after hearing that. lolol.

        • Super Power Wogsy

          “absurd or daaaaangerous to an outsider”…I’m jus sayin…

          • Vaquera

            Right there with you, hon.

  • Zana

    The recording wouldn’t play for me. Where can I find the link?

    • Jimmy Threetimes
      • flyonthewall

        you know what I’m doing now thnx to you n Nat?

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Playing Kim Kardashian’s mobile game?

          • flyonthewall

            Close. Buying N64 on ebay! I’m going to relive my childhood, 20 something phase of my of my childhood

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              What’s on the list? I suggest Ocarina of Time, Majora’s Mask, Super Mario 64, Goldeneye, Star Fox 64, Smash Bros.Those are a must.

            • flyonthewall

              Yes, it comes w/SW Shadow of the Empire and first ones I will get is Starfox, Turok and maybe Goldeneye. Zelda OOT is def on the list but I never played it *shame* Not a big fantsy guy but I played the hell out of the original

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Oh dude, Shadow of the Empire was amazing. And you have to play through OoT. One of the greatest games of all time.

            • flyonthewall

              Yes sir def will do. I think I played the SW one but not sure. Ok gotta go make sure it doesnt get snagged frumunda me. Cya

            • flyonthewall

              WOOHOO!!!!! $56 s/h included, 1 controller, awesome SW game n works great!

            • Observer

              I’m still slightly scarred by those freaky fairies though.

              refresh

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              And that screeching laughter…

            • Observer

              More like banshees than benevolent fairies

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Oh yeah!

              (Better than Navi’s “HEY!”, though.)

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I spent hours trying to drown Navi in the Water Temple. That may make me a horrible person, but it was a valiant and necessary effort.

            • Zer0

              I’m a Mass Effect fan, I’ll take your advice and check out Shadow of the Empire.

            • Sherbet

              I think you all are speaking in tongues.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              It’s just baby talk

            • Baby

              Hey Hey..

            • Super Power Wogsy

              *giggles* I’ve been officially Baby’d. Yay! : )

            • Baby

              smooches..We are all babies darlin.. Some smoke..Some don’t.. It’s the ones that smoke ya gotta keep an eye on.. ; D

            • Observer

              And Mario Kart 64!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Ill never forgive myself for forgetting Mario Kart 64. :(

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Loaned my son my N64. Left both the Zelda games here at home. Sent Golden Eye, two South Park games, two Star Wars games (Pod Racers, anyone?) and a couple of others with him.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Just loaned my N64 and a pile of games to my son who is going to a 90s themed party. Oh, the nostalgia…

      • Vaquera

        Oh glory be! You said goodbye earlier today and I had a little freak in my gut that you meant….well, you know. DON’T SCARE ME LIKE THAT! xoxo

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I just meant goodbye for now. Didn’t mean to scare anybody. xo

      • Zana

        Thank you! I just listened to it. It was terrific. !

      • Zana

        Thank you!

    • romanesco
      • Zana

        Thank you! It was terrific. !!

      • Zana

        Thank you! It was terrific.!

  • SassyBeach

    So….there IS actually a family where one member left the church and her family remained in the church….and their school, and they remained in contact. The Earth didn’t even fall off it’s axis or nothin, right?! Wouldn’t it be pretty cool if OTHER families could come forward and tell the cult that they too have been working things out just fine, with some IN and some OUT. How freaking hard would that be???

  • Sandy

    Can this site link to a Pay Pal account? That is the only way I donate.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Check both ways to donate on top left hand corner.

      • Sandy

        Sorry. I do not get your post. I will donate if I find a way via Pay Pal.

      • Mymy88

        Hi Dee. I noticed you are following me so I put that I’m following you, but can you see my posts? I marked it private after you followed me but now I wonder if you can see my posts?

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          No, can’t see your posts so unfollowed thereafter. I was public for long time, and used to get all the comments notifiesd my email. Well, Disqus changed and tho i went private for a while, decided to be openly read. I just started following those I like to read and not miss.

          • Mymy88

            Well that sucks. I don’t see why they don’t let anyone follow you if you let them no matter if you are private or not.

            So what negative repercussion can there be if you make it unprivate. I know I was unprivate for a little while but it was because I did it for somebody to be able to do something, I can’t remember what exactly, but then I forgot to private it back up. I was thinking about making it unprivate again, but I really don’t know what I should worry about so thought I’d ask is there is anything? I don’t have anything to hide.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              It’s a personal choice if you want people to see what you wrote, so I wouldn’t worry about it. If you put something private in for someone, it can be deleted by you. Everything I put in is my opinion or true facts. I have followers that like to keep up with me at times, and so, don’t worry.

            • Mymy88

              Okay thanks. Bleh. I can thing of a few comments I’d want to delete, like saying where I live and stuff like that, that I forgot to go back and delete. Eh, what the hell. I’ll make it unprivate. Thanks!

            • Mymy88

              Gulp. I just had something happen that is going to make me private back up. Sheeesh. I hope to get it resolved

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    “Here’s the Thing” Radio show with Alec Baldwin and Lawrence Wright was pretty good. Lawrence had a time to keep Alec on target, I sensed, tho did it very smooth and excellently. Since Alec is a friend of Tom Cruise, maybe it will help …..

    • Baby

      He is? ( Friends with Cruise?) I did not know that..just got on again.

      • Vaquera

        During the few program breaks, when promo-ing other broadcasts, Alec was obviously paying attention to his diction and all I could think of was, “Well, there’s no beating my Balls. They’re made from a secret Schweddy Family recipe. No one can resist my Schweddy Balls.”

        • Baby

          hahahahahah.. I know..Good Lord..

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        isn’t he in the new MI5 movie with TC ?

        • Vaquera

          Yes, and Alec talks about that very thing during the interview.

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            well i better listen again.every time i try someone has to talk to me :)

          • Baby

            I haven’t listened to the whole thing.. Crazy day..xo

        • Baby

          Oh that’s right Donna.. ha..

    • Vaquera

      I thought Alec was generous with the time in which he allowed Larry to answer the rather complicated questions. Cracked me up when Wright turned the tables on Baldwin and the interviewer became the interviewee.

      • Are_sics

        Absolutely — the first skill of a good interviewer is letting the interviewee speak. So many times interviewers need to preach/speak over the person they’re ostensibly trying to get to talk. Baldwin was excellent, I thought.

  • Vaquera

    The headline alone made me smile:

    The Going Clear Scientology Documentary Has Been Watched By A Ton Of People

    Thanks to Scientology making a stink, the news has been flooded with stories about the documentary over the past few weeks, with John Travolta even making statements about why he wouldn’t be watching (which probably only served to spur interest). The documentary, directed by Alex Gibney, is also getting regular airplay on the network and is available On Demand and via HBO’s streaming platforms, so it’s fairly easy to watch if you are a subscriber.

    http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Going-Clear-Scientology-Documentary-Has-Been-Watched-By-Ton-People-71325.html

    • Juicer77

      • Vaquera

        You read my grinch heart.

  • Zer0

    OK, I feel like an idiot. I’m listening to the Lawrence Wright radio interview, and I’m thinking… I guess the Alec Baldwin interview is next! LOL

    • Vaquera

      As we say on the gulf coast, bless you heart!

    • Wogsy Wonka

      i feel like i’m at a lounge to be honest. i feel like smoking a joint, and i don’t even smoke.

      • Zer0

        Do you at least have good lounge music?

        • Wogsy Wonka

          Yes. Alec’s voice is my lullaby at the moment. you don’t hear it? I do….

          • Zer0

            Gender divide, I don’t hear the music, but perhaps if it was Scarlett..

            • Wogsy Wonka

              oh my bad sorry. : )

            • Zer0
            • Super Power Wogsy

              coooool.

            • Zer0

              Thanks, SPW:)

            • Super Power Wogsy

              fyi …spw is wogsy wonka…sorry i logged into the wrong act.lol

            • Zer0

              no prob:)

            • Zer0

              You shouldn’t have to apologize for that. People contribute content they like, how they like to do it, and in no way are accountable for trivia like usernames. The content is the important issue.

  • flyonthewall

    Hey, I wanted to post this earlier but I couldn’t remember what it was. Now that I’ve remembered and it’s late I don’t feel so bad about posting this way OT Star Wars Lego thing. This is my family of Lego B-wing fighters. This mini one is my own build, very experimental. If you handled her real careful she wouldn’t fall apart, lol. Cat has long since destroyed her but she was awesome.

    • Wogsy Wonka

      Star Wars is never off topic. it is science fiction like scientology.. it’s cool!

      • flyonthewall

        Hip Hip Hooray for sci-fi! Hip Hip hooray for Legos! Ok nighty night ya’ll

        • Wogsy Wonka

          SWAT!!…awwwww poor fly. night.

      • Zer0

        There are 100 times as many Jedis in the world as Scientologists!

        • Hingle McCringleberry

          When the next census comes out for most western countries, there will also be more Night’s Watch, Faith of the Seven, and worshipers of the Old Gods from Game of Thrones than Scientologists. . .

    • Vaquera

      fly – you have a Bunker fan following when it comes to your lego creations.

      Now this part, “I wanted to post this earlier but I couldn’t remember what it was. Now that I’ve remembered”… cracks me up. That’s me 47x a day.

      • Wogsy Wonka

        Yes. make more legos fly. I’m a fan as well : )

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      those are very EXCELLENT! you are really good at that.

    • Baby

      Cool Fly.. I have NEVER seen a Star Wars movie or watched one episode of Star Treck..isn’t that weird.. I don’t know why..I just haven’t..

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        they are the BEST movies EVER !

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          well the first three are

        • Baby

          I should go on a Binge watching them, Huh? I don’t know if it is because I’m older or what.. I just never got into Sci fyi..

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            oh yes.but the original three,I will never forget going to the movies with my brother and seeing that first one.It blew our minds !

            • Vaquera

              And standing in the long lines, even though it had been out for a month.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              it was so awesome–the theater had the new Dolby surround sound – haha

            • Mymy88

              Oh yes! It blew me away too! The very first one. I won’t ever forget sitting in that theater with my family and feeling so amazed and delighted.Think about HOW LONG ago that was!

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              it was wasn’t it,but for the time the effects were just mind blowing-no other way to describe it-i won’t ever forget it either !

            • Mymy88

              I remember how cool it was when I saw those little robot thingies kind of crawling / skittering across the floor. in a scene in the early part of the movie.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            It’s not about Sci-Fi. It’s a space opera. Start with what is now called “Episode 4”. The original Star Wars. A New Hope.

            • Baby

              OK..I will Jimmy.. If it was the original how come it is Episode 4?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Because they started making prequels in the late 90’s, and called them Episodes I, II & III. I could argue that the prequels weren’t as bad as everyone thinks, but that’s a nerdy discussion that no one wants to hear. Anyway, most people hated them. Everyone that loves Star Wars loved the original trilogy that began in 1977. It is a classic that will stand the test of time. Best trilogy of all time.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              yep

            • Vaquera

              The best.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Agreed!

            • Ella Raitch

              LOTR for me!

              eta – Director’s cut

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              Star Wars has the luxury of not having books to refer to, except the mythological Hero With 1000 Faces. My opinion of LOTR movies is that they did the very best they could from the source material, but due to budget constraints and not being able to make 12 movies, couldn’t really do the books justice.

            • Ella Raitch

              They made 3 fabulous films though

            • Super Power Wogsy

              ..and to add to what j3 said . episode 1,2,3 are about Anakin before he became Darth Vader. super bad ass.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              But that Anakin sucked and didn’t really align with Darth Vader. There was only one moment where you can believe that character turned out to be Darth Vader. It was when he slaughtered the Tusken Raiders.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              the last three sucked

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’ll admit, I liked Revenge of the Sith. I know that’s like breaking some sort of nerd code, but I really liked it. I’d watch it again.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              i mean there ok–they are Star Wars-you have to watch them just because

            • Frodis73

              I liked Sith too, it’s the most watchable of the new ones. It most captured the feeling I had when i saw the first one…not anywhere near the level of excitement and love, but enough for me to feel like a kid again for 2 hours.

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              The standoff between Palpatine and Mace Windu was the FUCKING WORST scene in all of cinema.
              Palpatine: “Anakin, I told you, the Jedi are traitors, ARRHGGHGHEHEHGGGHGH”
              Windu: “NO! HE IS THE TRAITOR!!!! ARGHGHGEHGHGHGGHGHGGH!!!!

              so. damn. stilted. and. nothing. real. people. would. say. They made SLJ into a robot.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Samuel L. Jackson is a robot. Not to say he doesn’t have personality, but he is in every damn movie. He should never have been cast in the Star Wars franchise. Mace Windu was a poorly written character, and SLJ was a poor choice to play it.

              I’m not saying that Revenge of the Sith doesn’t have flaws, but all in all, it is a good movie. It has several memorable, quotable moments. I’ve seen it a few times, but I would watch it again.

              Most of the negative feedback about the Star Wars prequels is warranted, of course. But the main reason they’re so heavily mocked is because they’re held up against the original Star Wars. If you think about it, tho, they’re better than half the shit films we see. They just don’t live up to the legend that is the original Star Wars trilogy.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              I DISAGREE. Christian Haydensen played a damn good Anakin. The fight scene was epic. What are u talking about? I teared up when he lost his limbs. He was a Badass ass Darth vader.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              he looked fine too….im jus sayin.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              you are way younger than me-maybe thats why

            • Super Power Wogsy

              slightly : ) just turned 32. and this came out 10 years ago.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              i am 53

            • Super Power Wogsy

              why yes. than i could see why you didnt like it : )

            • Vaquera

              Jinx, sister.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              cool

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Your family got you in then? What a shame.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              huh? You mean star wars?

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Oh shit, too late and my eyeball are dizzy. Read it as you just came out then. Shows you what skipping around on this blog reading new comments does, eh? :-)

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Only in the end of one movie. Did you believe the little boy Anakin would become Darth Vader? The cute little kid that thought only of his mother’s well-being? That’s Darth Vader? No. Then the mopey shit with Obi-Wan? No.

              I understand that a good fictional character has to have some arc, some development… But Lucas dropped the ball on Anakin’s backstory. You can’t just go from cute little pod racer to I’m gonna choke you to death because you said something that angered me.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              how is that not a classic young kid story. Growth spurt and turns into a brat teenager. maybe a little disconnected. It wasn’t just the end of the movie jimmy. The entire movie was awesome. Did you not get it? did you not feel it? Anakin was bad ass. It was a build up of character. He wasn’t always supposed to be evil the entire time

            • Super Power Wogsy

              an emotional rollercoaster. a dance with the dark side. time spent in the dark womb before he loses the battle with his own demons. you didnt get it.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              No, I didn’t feel it. He was a little boy in Phantom, then he was a grown, mopey man in Clones. Yet, Padme (Natalie Portman) doesn’t look like she’d aged a day. It doesn’t make any sense when you watch them. She’s gorgeous, and watching her is perhaps the best part of that movie. But it’s all so contrived. And as I said, Revenge of the Sith is actually a good watch. That’s the only good movie out of the prequels.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              No i didnt notice padme.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              i agree- its just to hard a leap from James Earl Jones for me

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yes! This.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              yes of course im right.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i guess i like the emotional roller coasters with all its moderness.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Rank the Star Wars movies. Go.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Episode 7,3,4,5,6,1,2,3

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You haven’t seen Episode 7. No one has. And the rest of that ranking sucks! The nerd in me wants to take out my retainer, shout at you and throw all my action figures at you! Even my Lando!!!!

            • Super Power Wogsy

              I said 7 cuz I could feel it : ) I just know its going to be good. whateves J3. you don’t know acting like i do. ssssshhsh! ill throw my old sheera and heeman dolls at you pffft!

              what the hell is your ranking? god of the nerds. who appointed you? im asking all my nerd friends. razzberries!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I, II, III, VI, V, IV.
              That is the correct order.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              No

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yes
              You wouldn’t know a wookie from an R-series droid even if your ass was stuck in your elbow.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Shut up. r-series droid looks cool. the wookie is ugly. the cute fuzzy characters were the best

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              You are breaking my heart. They’re called Ewoks.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              ahhhh. yes yes yes! the ewoks…i love them.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Jar Jar is still cool, right?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’m gonna go play in traffic for a while. This thread is awful. Love you guys. Goodbye.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Frogger Threetimes?

            • Super Power Wogsy

              now you are acting like Anakin. brat : ) gnite.

            • Zer0

              Jar Jar has never not been cool, not ever!

            • Ella Raitch

              i liked Jar Jar!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Ha! I’ll bet you like Battlefield Earth too.

            • Ella Raitch

              Er….no.

            • what’suppressive

              I would swap 1 & 2 but otherwise… I concur.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I just realized I flopped around the episode list. But I always think of the originals as 1, 2 and 3. Anyway, I think the original Star Wars, A New Hope is the best film of the bunch. Because if you watch just one, A New Hope tells the best story as a standalone film. You have to have seen A New Hope to fully appreciate Empire Strikes Back. But as a fan, of course I’d rather watch Empire.

            • Frodis73

              ^^^This. Empire is the best.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i will do a re-watch in the summer then let you know what the council decides regarding the correct true order of star wars.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              It is A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Revenge of the Sith, Attack of the Clones, The Phantom Menace.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              Your arguement has been duly noted sir, and will be taken into consideration.

            • what’suppressive

              I took it as chronological not episode #. Empire for mine just pips ANH. It has Bobba Fett.

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              Only because of Qui-Gon Jinn. There are some truly cringe-worthy personal scenes in 2, but SO MUCH JAR JAR BINKS (and the stupid battle droids) in 1.

            • what’suppressive

              Jimmy put ’em as chronological not episode. I agree’d kinda. Empire’s my favourite.

            • Vaquera

              Would you like to use my headgear after your retainer has been flung?

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              noooo not Lando !

            • Vaquera

              Lando. Now there’s a crush-worthy character.

            • Frodis73

              He was soooo smooth. Def crush-worthy.

            • Zer0
            • Frodis73

              What? Ep 7 isn’t even out yet. LOL. You have a secret connection to JJ that I need to know about?

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i just feel it : )

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              5,4,3,6,2,1 (won’t rate 7 til it’s on screen, but guessing it’ll be 2 or 3. Hard to beat the original, and JJ can really chew up sacred ground when he wants to)

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              The Jar-Jar Binks criticism is valid. But for me the worst thing about the prequels is how R2 and C3PO were shoe-horned in. They should’ve gotten a short cameo in Revenge. But Anakin building C3PO just made this galaxy feel so much smaller, and R2 becoming some sort of legendary super-bot made it seem so cheap. Why the hell can’t R2-D2 fly in the originals, then? It’s cheap and stupid. Lucas dropped the ball several times.

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              I’m pretty sure Lucas mentioned something about R2 being the narrator of the whole thing, like the one unintelligible character that was there for all the major events and in some way, everything kind of boils down to him narrating the events of the whole saga to some future person. I liked that idea. There was a nod to that in RotS with Bail Organa ordering Threepio’s mind wiped, but not R2’s. I agree that Anakin building Threepio was shoehorned in and left the galaxy feeling small, which has been a major criticism of the rumors in 7 about all of the new characters being kids of the old ones.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I won’t buy that narrator theory for even a second. The narrator of a story is typically a passive observer or a casual character. In this case, he directly intervenes and even saves the main characters several times. Plus, he isn’t narrating shit. George Lucas was retroactively trying to save face. He was trying to sell toys.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              hahaha i am just a old fogie set in her ways :)

            • Vaquera

              NO you are not! If only for the fact that we are the same age and I refuse to be an old fogie and my life is not set in any way. (Work with me here. I’m in the midst of major life changes and being a set fogie will do me no favors)

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              sorry-i had to face my disability like 20 yrs ago– but the last 5 have been in my face-my life changes all ready happened ha don’t listen to me

            • Frodis73

              Also, Padme is older than he is too…can’t remember how many years, but he was what 8 yrs when they met?? I’m blanking on the age difference, but I know it was significant.

            • Frodis73

              He def had the bratty teenager bit down. 😉

            • Super Power Wogsy

              thank you! as it was supposed to be

            • Frodis73

              He was AWFUL in the 2nd one…like cringe worthy at times. In defense tho, there are also some cheesy moments in the OT (original trilogy) and I worship those movies, but I can see the flaws as an adult that I didn’t as a kid.

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              Here’s Star Wars mashed up with quotes from other James Earl Jones movies. Get ready to laugh your ass off:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A0rwG39Jzk

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              pretty good :)

            • Ella Raitch

              I didn’t even get as far as believing the love story…that Anakin and Padme? (scratches head)

            • Vaquera

              Now don’t go spoiling it for Baby!

            • Vaquera

              He was wonderful in “Shatter Glass.”

            • Super Power Wogsy

              i had the BIGGESt crush on him when i saw revenge of the sith. i swore we were going to meet and get married.

            • Frodis73

              He was pretty hot in Sith…I’ll give you that. I would of been all over that.

            • Frodis73

              Yes. I don’t think he’s the best actor, but he’s not as horrible as ppl make it seem. The reality is George Lucas SUCKS at directing real live people. I say this as a huge SW dork…I say it with love George.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Agreed. Glad George stepped aside. He is so cheesy.

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              Everyone complained about the prequels because everything was CGI. They shot the scenes in basically a room with green walls and everything was added later, which makes it tough to give a realistic performance. I saw the Tatooine sets when I was working in Tunisia 13 years ago, and I can imagine it was pretty easy to pretend you’re living on a sand planet in that environment. Luckily, from the reports, they’ve gone back to the old style of filming. New trailer comes out Thursday and it should be great.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              i can’t wait-so excited

            • Frodis73

              ^^This. I’m going to watch it 100x.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Everything was bad, not just the CGI. If the dialog is so far off that regular joe notices that the lips don’t match the words, that is unacceptable for a major motion picture with that level of budget and post-production time. I think they hired interns to do the ADR or something. And the lines of dialog that remained after editing were short and stilted and completely unbelievable too. Blech!

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              Yeah, writing wasn’t super stellar either. I still enjoy parts of the prequels for the back story. I guess I should have been more clear when I said ‘everyone’. What I meant was the actors. They had a hard time putting in a convincing performance with nothing to interact with, isolated in a totally green screen space. Script could have been stellar and it would have come off stilted. Anthony Daniels did a whole interview about how Force Awakens was a much better experience, since 80% of what is in the film was actually on the set.

            • Frodis73

              Oh wow. So very jealous you got to visit that actual set. I’d prob pass out from excitement. I have read that it’s falling apart because nobody thought to preserve it. After it was a hit, they should have gone back in and taken care of it. Do you have pictures? What was it like? That is just beyond cool.

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              I have some pictures somewhere. I was working at a Carthaginian ruin when there was still freelance archaeological work to do and some of the locals got all excited about showing up something, so a few of us loaded up and it turns out that it was the Lars Homestead set. I heard that it was destroyed or buried in a sandstorm a year or so later. I’ll talk to the McCringleparents and see if they can find the pics.

            • Frodis73

              That is so cool…and just a stroke of luck for you. I would love, love, love to see the pics.

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              He got tricked like a chump due to his visions of Padme dying an untimely death and Palpatine telling him that his former master Darth Plagueis had developed the power to save people from dying. Anakin was not exactly a mental giant, just really good with the ole’ lightsaber.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              he got played

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              like a fiddle.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Let me correct that for you. “super bad”

            • Super Power Wogsy

              no i had it correct. SUPER BAD ASS

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I went to opening night of each prequel. I was a fan. I cringed in embarrassment the whole time for the actors and production staff at how bad the finished product came off on the big screen.

            • Super Power Wogsy

              bah hum bug!

            • Robert Eckert
            • Frodis73

              This is sooo good. I re-watch it from time to time.

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              Def. start at Ep. IV, A New Hope. They didn’t call it that at first due to marketing reasons and whatnot, but was always meant to be that way. The whole thing is about family and redemption, and the first 6 episodes (again, start at the original- episode 4) are the story of Anakin Skywalker, otherwise known in 4-6 as Darth Vader. That’s the best way.

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            I only like certain things sci-fyi — these are the exception

            • Baby

              I only read NON fiction.. and my first choice of movies is Documentaries..

              It’s because I love examining people..Why they do something? etc…
              I am very nosy.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              I also love Documentaries.But these are classic,I think you will like them.At least try the first movie,like J3 said “episode 4”

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              A new hope

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              I grew up watching,Shirley Temple,Tarzan,John Wayne,my favorite books were Louis Lamour,but i read all the classics too.remember the movie “Mr. Limpet and The Ghost and Mrs, Muir ? My fav.s

            • Baby

              Yes.. and Sky King and all the old Westerns..

              Howdy Doody.. I loved it..

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              yep – my dad used to read to me,Call of the wild.and we would watch John Wayne–he would lie on the couch and i would lie behind him were his knees bent and they would be my pillow–he was 6 foot and i am very short. ah good memories -ha

            • Vaquera

              My dad recited Edgar Allen Poe to me and my sis at bedtime. Hmmm…..

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              cool-my Dad was Navy-left poverty,blah blah–I don’t know if that makes a difference or not,–very military

            • Vaquera

              My dad came straight off a Nebraska farm. After college, knowing that he was going to be drafted, he tried to join the Navy, but due to childhood Rheumatic fever his heart is enlarged and the Navy rejected him. The Army, however, said “Sign here, soldier.”

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              not much schooling for my dad,my relatives are a bunch of red necks lol

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              thats why my brother took me and we went to Alaska

          • 1subgenius

            Pssst, here’s a spoiler:
            It’s all fake.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              YOU JUST RUINED IT. TIY WCWETRGUBF.

            • Baby

              Are speaking Sci Fyi shit?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yes. It’s Klangon. From Star Track.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              I love Star Trek too. :)

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              If my light saber wasn’t in for repairs…

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              ha–but Star Wars is the Best

            • Vaquera

              That’s what he said.

            • Baby

              Swear to God..? I was just kidding.

            • Vaquera

              So was he.

            • 1subgenius

              Better you learn it from me than in the alley.
              Better you learn it now than on your death-bed.

            • Baby

              Did you read my post about ” Looking for Mr. Good Bar..” It was so disturbing..I had forgotten how sick it was.. ugh..

              Why did you let me watch it Sub? I thought we were buddies..

            • 1subgenius

              I know better than to try to move an immovable force.

            • Baby

              Sigh..This is true..very true..

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              you gotta watch one–the first Star Wars–for us–please — haha :)

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              If that’s the Good Bar where he stabs the girl? Back in the 70’s I took my mother to see the show not knowing how disturbed it was. Yuk, never again.

            • Zer0

              YSCOHB,AYAAABJA!!

            • Mockingbird

              Why always Hollywood Boulevard ?

            • MaxSpaceman

              Yeah- what happens on Sunset Blvd. …

            • Mockingbird

              Exactly !! If you listen to DM we should have Hollywood Boulevard packed day and night with thousands of us sucking away !! Um , that might not be the best visual .

            • Frodis73

              It was a funny visual tho!

            • Mockingbird

              Time for a truly horrifying shoop !!!

            • Zer0

              That was Hibiscus Bluffs

            • Frodis73

              Hey Zer0, can I ask you if your screen name refers to anything in particular (other than the obvious)?

            • Zer0

              I don’t what you mean by the “obvious”, but the not-so obvious was that I didn’t keep a login for years so my number of posts was always zero.

            • Frodis73

              Yes, i just meant the obvious being the number zero. Lol, no biggie.

            • Zer0

              LOL, Frodis, thanks for asking. Most people just assume it’s a video game character, but you got the real story:)

            • Robert Eckert

              It’s all based on restimulation of our genuine memories from the whole track!

            • Vaquera

              Thank you for bringing us back on point. :-)

            • Mockingbird

              Oh God !!! When Hubbard said that shit on tapes it fucked me up for decades!!! I constantly would question what in fiction was space opera being dramatized !!! That fucker KNEW his lies would instill so much confusion his victims would not know real from fake , up from down and would “solve” this overwhelming cognitive dissonance by giving ALL decision making to Hubbard !! What a piece of shit he was !! Abusive narciisist AND sociopath enslaver !!! Ughh, can we somehow reanimate him so we can take turns castrating him !? Remember , I need to control my Homicidal Rage Expression issues and learn compassion and humility !

            • 1subgenius

              Yeah, like I said.

            • Anonymouse

              Nooooo! Say it aint so!

          • Vaquera

            As J3 and others have said, the first Star Wars movie (1977, also known as episode 4) is the place to start. As you watch, remember that in 1977 these special effects were cutting edge, though now they are nostalgic. It is sci fi, but at it’s heart it is an adventure movie with a healthy dose of humorous observation and family/friend bonding.

            • Donna Cline Sargent

              the effects were Amazing

            • scottmercer

              No, start with the original Star Trek TV series.

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            I’ve got the Star War series, wanna borrow? Still better on the big screen and haven’t even watched the the new ones.

          • http://www.allmestup.blogspot.com Artoo45

            Give it a try, you might love them as I did, but not everyone does. My dad’s sisters (born 1915 and 1917) were perfect examples of how different people respond to sci-fi. Alexis was mad for sci-fi from Burroughs to Alistair Reynolds, she loved it to the day she died. Theodora thought is was awful and tedious and very low brow. So you either have the sci-fi gene or you don’t.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I must have a mutated split gene. Visually it’s stunning but some of the plots are horrible.

          • Hingle McCringleberry

            They were just released in digital format via VUDU, but I think the cost is $99, including all of the behind the scenes features and deleted scenes. If you want, send your mailing address to sir.hingle.mccringleberry@gmail and I’ll mail you some DVDs in the next day or two.

            • Baby

              You are the sweetest man known on earth..

              You won’t believe this Hingle..I do NOT have a DVD player! I used to..and I don’t know what happened to it.

              I watch On demand movies and youtube movies..but DVD.. nope..

              Thank you so much. That was so nice of you to offer. It really is. When I go to Ohio in June I will watch all of them with my daughter.

              She loves them and has all of them..so we will make it a day of binging on Star wars. Again..Thank you! xo baby

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              I know the feeling. I haven’t used mine in a long while. When the DVD releases came out, I bought them, then got gifts, and Christmas presents, and now I have a stack of them. It’s like the Basics for Sci-Fi Geeks!!! Haha.

            • Baby

              Hahhahahaha.. That’s funny..So many movies.. so little time.. Thanks again though..It was such a kind gesture .. Baby

      • Frodis73

        What?!?!?! Omg, if I was rich I’d be on the first flight to your house with the movies and I’d make you watch. LOL.

      • scottmercer

        Well, that’s just wrong. I used to get crap for not ever having seen Grease, or any of the John Hughes movies (I was in just the right demo to have seen them, having been in high school when they originally came out, but high school was bad enough, so why on the weekend would I want to go to the cinema to see movie about the trials and tribulations of high school kids.) But I would recommend Star Trek before Star Wars. Why? Star Trek, like the best science fiction, has(had) a lot more to say about the current state of our civilization (racism, war, religion) and uses the cover of science fiction to speak about these issues. Star Wars is just a fairy tale set in outer space. Also, Star Wars doesn’t have any human beings in it. Yes, Luke, Leia, Anakin, et al, are played by actors who are human, but all the characters are from another galaxy. Star Trek has recognizable humans in it. Captain Kirk is from Iowa, for corn’s sake.

        • Baby

          Thanks Scott..( Loved Grease and went to Chicago to see it on stage..from Ohio)

          I will see what I can find on Star Trek.. I’ll watch Star Wars with my daughter this summer. xo

        • Dolly Jones

          Love Star Trek. Huge fan. LOL. Star Wars is just blaaaah. 😉

        • April

          I love both Star Wars and Star Trek. There. I said it. pffftttttttt
          😉

      • Dolly Jones

        You really need to start loving Star Trek.. hehe 😉

    • Zer0

      FOTW is an audiophile!

  • Vaquera

    The Daily Show just started. Should I stop getting my hopes up that Jon’s going to go on a fabulous diatribe about Co$ and the IRS issues presented in Going Clear?

    • Baby

      That would be fabulous Texas..Let us know..xo

      • Vaquera

        I keep watching for it, but nothing yet. He was on vaycay the week after Going Clear premiered, but now….I’m still waiting.

      • Vaquera

        On another note, I found a #GoingClear tweet that’s right up your alley, Baby….
        https://twitter.com/stuffwarrensez/status/588202467206242306

        • Baby

          OOOOOOOh Fabulous Texas.. Love it..Thanks

  • Mymy88

    ‘Going Clear’ Is On Pace To Become HBO’s Second-Most Watched Documentary Of The Decade
    ******** SNIP BEGINS ********
    “Haha, nah. It’s at least a little ironic that a group known for being notoriously effective and ruthless publicists thought the best strategy to keep people from seeing a documentary about them was “Ooh, I know, what about a full-page ad in the New York Times?” That’s like putting a giant shiny box on the side of the highway underneath a billboard that says “DON’T LOOK IN HERE.”
    ******** SNIP ENDS ************
    http://uproxx.com/filmdrunk/2015/04/going-clear-is-on-pace-to-become-hbos-second-most-watched-documentary-of-the-decade/

    • scottmercer

      They are not known for being effective publicists. Their PR has always sucked. What they were good at was suing people and threatening to sue people. That was the ruthless part, and the part that worked out well for them. For a while.

      • Mymy88

        Yeah lol. In terms of PR, it’s not like they perform well under pressure! lololol FOOLS.

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    My eBay e-meter should be here via Priority Mail by the weekend. Before it arrives, I want to know: how exactly are you supposed to set the tone dials before you use it?

    • Snake Plissken

      You should have pick one of these up instead, it’s far more sophisticated

      http://www.amazon.com/SpyNet-Spy-Net-Lie-Detector/dp/B00CW6G5Y0

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Hopefully it comes with instruction. Otherwise get a hard to find e-meter booklet or an ex who knows.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Techie seems familiar with things.

    • Zana

      Why are you purchasing one?

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Curiosity’s sake. And it’s a fun artifact to have for when/if Scientology goes under.

        • Zana

          So cool. I practically gave mine away. Had a purple one and a real one. Didn’t know how to use them. Was planning on self auditing and loved those hard-to-find colors. Woulda given them to you. I’m sure you can find repair and instructions for them online. There’s one SP who cares for them. Ask around. Don’t send it to anyone in Co$. They will confiscate it. Enjoy!

          • Sebastian L. Jackson

            You will find about a dozen on eBay. Most of them are Mark VIIs, I bought a Mark V. Some of the Mark VII have casing that are kind of see-through, marked “Special Ed.” Special Ed like disabled people, or a Scientology definition of Special Ed?

    • Techie

      I don’t suggest using it. If you can find a copy of “The Book Introducing the E-Meter” on line it is the “Owner’s Manual”. http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/E-Meter/tbite.html A warning: the battery may be very very old or they may have replaced it. If it is old, charging it may cause it to spew acid all over inside the meter. The safest path would be not to charge it, otherwise you would have to open it (three screws under wood putty around the wood piece that has the connectors). Look at the battery, a little bit of “salting” (white crystals around the positive terminal) is normal. If it looks like it has leaked then definitely do not charge it. Another word of warning, when it is charging there is a direct connection between the 120v AC power and the cans connector, depending on which way you plug in the “cheater cord” to charge it. If you turn it on, this connection is broken, but as long as it is actually charging it is a shock hazard. It is a wonder that more PCs have not permanently exteriorized by picking up cans before the auditor arrives and leaning back against the steam radiator.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        All right. The eBay seller said he had refurbished it, but I’ll play it safe.

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        Curious: was this shock hazard a problem for the Mark V (the model I bought) or do the Marks VI, VII, and VIII have the same issue?

  • FOTF2012

    I’m looking forward to that new YouTube channel — the lead in posted above is extremely well done and interesting.

    When I was in the church, children definitely got assumed to be old thetans in young bodies, and subject to all the ethics of an adult when they did something “wrong” or when they were “banky.”

    What we know from actual science — not the pseudo-science of Scientology — is that human brain function for things like language, judgment, emotional control, motor skills, etc. come in definite and predictable stages.

    Scientology’s dualism (or even triism of mind, body, spirit) turns out to be more and more definitely wrong as neuroscience advances and yields insights into everything from exteriorization and OT ability claims.

    The sad thing is that Scientologists get sick, fade away, and die on the same rough schedule as all humans do, and they may blame themselves for not getting far enough up the bridge to be at cause over life.

    Even Hubbard, the Greatest Big Being of All — supposedly — died on schedule of the human timeline with a head full of paranoia, a body jammed with BTs, and a butt load of vistaril.

    Whether it be Scientology or other cults (including some supposed “great” religions) the loss of human potential and wasted lives is worth weeping over.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      What does ‘Banky’ mean? I can’t wait to see it either especially since it looks like it’ll be very well done. The reggers will have to get more money to buy google ads declaring them all drug addicted, lunatic prostitutes. Which will of course make nobody watch them. A full page ad in The New York Times, might even stir up interest in the cult.

      • http://chaosmarxism.blogspot.com/ Doloras Funkette

        banky = acting out of the “bank”, i.e. reactive mind = emotional, grumpy.

      • FOTF2012

        “Banky” was a word used when I was in to mean someone was acting under the influence of or dramatizing (acting out) their “reactive mind” which was also called the “bank.”

        The “bank” consisted of “engrams” (moments of pain and unconsciousness) and other goodies. Those engrams formed chains of similarity through time, and could be restimulated (triggered, activated, roughly) by current life events like “secondaries” (severe loss) and “locks” (something that happens now that activates the chain).

        Scientology uses this construct in its commercials. There was one with a vet at a picnic or something who then hears a loud bang (firecracker or car backfire — I forget). The vet reacts instinctively and active duty live fire memories get triggered. In Scientology theory, that loud bang was a “lock” that “restimulated” the “chain” going back to “secondaries” of loss or threat of loss in active combat, and maybe an “engram” of having been wounded in active combat. In actual auditing, the root is an engram, and it might even trace back to a past life death in active combat.

        The idea that traumatic events form into chains was not a new one to Scientology. Freud experimented with it and found it to be of limited use. By Scientology conditioning adherents that there is always an engram at the root of it all, the Scientology mind is then also conditioned to look to past lives when it cannot find that engram in the current life (and even engrams can make chains to earlier engrams going back in chains for millions, billions, or trillions of years — far before the probable age of the universe!).

        There is a lot of observable truth to this construct and that is part of what sucks people in. For example, the other day I saw a cat that reminded me of a beloved pet I had to put down years ago. Seeing the cat was a lock that reminded me of an earlier secondary. It makes sense and it makes people — including and maybe especially intelligent people — say “hey, there is really something to this.”

        Where Scientology goes off the rails is assuming without scientific validation that there is always an engram at the root of any chain. That has not been proven. It goes further off the rails in assuming, again without scientific validation, that some (many, most?) of the woes we suffer come from body thetans (BTs) who are stuck to us in clusters in various states of unconsciousness. Yes, the mind can imagine that these are real entities and create them (“mock them up” in Scientologese) but that does not make them real in any objectively provable sense.

        And there are alternate theoretical possibilities for the chains that are more naturalistic and provable, such as behavioral conditioning and evolutionary biology.

        So I wanted to take that quick tour through the Scientology construct. In Dianetics, students are taught that general layout from above (except the BTs don’t come until the OT — Operating Thetan — levels) and except that there are more components to the “reactive mind” or “bank” than I’ve described above.

        Now, remember Scientology considers kids to be ancient, immortal thetans in a young body. So kids are not off the hook on their behavior. When I was in, a kid was being “banky” whenever they were cranky, threw a fit, would not obey their parents, got fussy if they were tired or hungry, or misbehaved in any way.

        I don’t know if that term is still used today, but there you go — word for the day = banky.

      • FOTF2012

        I think the rather long reply I made went woo-woo in the Internet. To post a shorter version, “banky” is a term I heard that was mainly used to describe kids who were cranky, tired, hungry, complaining, etc.

        In Scientology, even little kids are just ancient thetans in young bodies. They are responsible for handling their “reactive mind” which is also called the “bank” — it represents the storage of engrams, secondaries, and is activated by locks. (Say you were shot once, and you hear a gun go off or a car backfire — that could be a lock to restimulate your earlier engram.)

        Engrams, secondaries, and locks form chains of similar experiences. Tracing back these chains (“is there an earlier similar experience?”) can and does, in my direct experience as an auditor, frequently result in relief and insights (“cognitions”).

        But the Scientology explanation does not acknowledge that Freud researched this approach (chains of similar experiences) and found it wanting. Also, more naturalistic explanations can now be found in behavioral science, the study of mental suggestibility, neuroscience, and evolutionary biology.

        Engram is a moment of pain and unconsciousness. A secondary is a moment of loss or threat of loss. And a lock is something that reminds (restimulates) engrams and secondaries — and all secondaries trace back to an engram.

        So being “banky” is acting out your reactive mind’s stimulus response, A=A=A identity thinking. Your kid needs a time out? The little bugger is being banky! Slap some ethics in on her or him.

    • Mockingbird

      Scientology really relies on doublethink as words , phrases and eventually thought loses meaning !!! That dualism is problematic !!!

  • Vaquera

    Tony, are you cracking up over our complete, but enthusiastic Star Wars derail down thread? You’ve created a comfy place here in the Bunker.

    • Are_sics

      I’m not Tony, and I’m not cracking up. What the hell does bad science fiction have to do with Sc…

      Oh. Right. NM.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      i am listening to Mark Bunker on the “View from the Bunker”

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        Scientology’s Spies and Lies

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      There’s a Star Wars discussion!?!?!?!? Downthread?!?!?! Sweet!!

      • Vaquera

        Take a dive.

        • Hingle McCringleberry

          May the Force be with Me! (and you, and all of us)

  • Snake Plissken

    I think my laptop has become infested with body thetans, my internet throughput is under 1Mbps

    I might have to find someone with an emeter to audit it, or maybe I’ll just reboot it, and save myself $500K.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Now if you really believe that, just use your own powers and tell them to go away, nicely first, then ……

      • Snake Plissken

        Maybe I’ll dunk it in oil, pour niacin on it, and stick it in a sauna for a week or two. That should purify it

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Bwaaaaaa

    • Robert Eckert

      Address it with Tone 40 Intention: “SPEED UP! THANK YOU!”

    • Mockingbird

      I’ll sell you a homeopathic cure for only 50,000$ – a 90% savings on very Scientology !! And I will not make you a deluded nearly insane mental slave !!!

  • http://chaosmarxism.blogspot.com/ Doloras Funkette

    My wife heard the LRH ad above and commented: “It has miracle music in it, it must be true!”

    LOL “miracle music”, best ever description of Scieno video musical scoring I’ve ever heard. 😀

    • Snake Plissken

      When I hear that music all I can think of is joining a batshit crazy cult created by a guy with rotten teeth.

      • Mockingbird

        That is the “valuable final product ” !!!

    • Mockingbird

      Oooooooooooowie oooooooooooowie we believe ! Oooooooooooowie oooooooooooowie we believe !

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        No it’s, “Hey rah-dee-rah, hey rah-dee we stand tallllllll…”

        • Mockingbird

          Arggggghhhh ! I LOVE Neurotology ! Oooooooooooowie oooooooooooowie we believe ! Oooooooooooowie oooooooooooowie we believe !!!!!

          • Donna Cline Sargent

            I wish i could bottle your energy and sell it. you are awesome :)

            • Mockingbird

              Thank you so much !!!

          • scottmercer

            It’s so easy to join! READ THE TARVUNTY!

            • Mockingbird

              YES !!!!! I love Neurotology !

  • 1subgenius

    Boy that new channel’s trailer is well done.
    1subscribed.

  • Fred G. Haseney

    Re: L. Ron Hubbard on your TV: “He’s the most published and translated author of all time. He is L. Ron Hubbard”

    You, too, could become the “most published and translated author of all time.” Here’s how you do it:

    1) Start your own religion.
    2) Create a religious order of devotees who’ll work for peanuts and not realize they’re slaves (as the Sea Org is).
    3) Work that organization to the bone, 24/7.
    4) Oh, and did I fail to mention that you most lie, cheat and steal in order to completely win your “fans” over?

    • Snake Plissken

      He’s the most published and translated author of all time, and never managed to write a single thing worth reading.

      Think about how impressive that is, that’s like playing Lotto every week for fifty years and never even hitting a single number on any of those tickets.

    • Mockingbird

      He is a lying plagiarist. At this point I am not sure he actually wrote ANYTHING . I am serious . I have found SO much evidence of plagiarism it is far more proven to me than anything else . He used very generous empty promises and counterfeit dreams to via ethos , pathos, logos and sublime writing create ecstasy and direct the minds of his victims . He then adds a covert thought reform program using hypnotic double bind cognitive dissonance based cognitive restructuring ( indoctrination via “study tech and auditing”) and the entire range of the eight criteria for thought reform – as described by Lifton- with the cult environment and his ” admin” and “ethics tech ” .

      By the by there is no religious element in his cult – that is a misdirection . The cumulative effect of all Hubbard’s hundreds of methods and cultic environment is to crush his victim’s identity down via abuse and make the victim a completely submissive slave . The submission is so extreme over time that the victim has their own identity suppressed into near oblivion and becomes a mental pseudo clone of Hubbard .
      So , there is your “record holder ” .

    • PickAnotherID

      You left out:

      Starting your own publishing house to crank books out no one else was interested in.

      Using the slave labor to do the translations for peanuts.

      Using your own publishing house to crank out the translated copies no one wanted.

      Using the slave labor to get on the “Best Seller” lists by going to book stores and purchasing all copies of a book. Then bringing them back to the publishing house for reshipment to drive sales numbers up.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Howard Stern on Travolta’s healing powers.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXmG_9nyaoI

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      yeah but will he talk to his bff Krusty and call her out on her lies about disconnection and the crap she said about Leah ? NO

      • Todd Tomorrow

        In the past he has gone after Krusty, yet when she is about to be on the show he backs off. Often they have a list of things that are not to be brought up. Julia Roberts’s, list was over five pages long. When she left he read a bunch of the questions he wasn’t allowed to ask her.

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          oh really — i honestly don’t know much about the Howard Stern show

        • Dolly Jones

          Oh it is sickening when he has her on the show. She did bring up once something about people attacking her religion and he was all yes Krusty, No Krusty, 3 bags full Krusty. Blaaaaaaaah. Nauseating!

          • Baby

            Dolly.. It absolutely sickened me.. He allowed her to just take over.. I would love to have him do a hard interview with her after he had seen ” Going Clear..”

            • Dolly Jones

              Agree with you Baby. Don’t think it will happen though.

    • Snake Plissken

      If he allowed his son to seek professional medical care instead of relying on Hubbard’s ‘healing powers’, his son would still be alive right now.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Tory said Jett Travolta, was just sat in front of a T.V. and given copious amounts of junk food. She knew clams that worked in JT’s house.

        • Frodis73

          That is so freaking sad. I know people with autistic children…they need to be stimulated! They have more money then they can spend and could have given Jeff top notch therapy and care. That is maddening. I know parents that can’t afford that stuff and they just blow it off. GRRRRR.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      This is a great spoof on these jerks. Glad they published it now. Interesting Scio already had an ad against Gibney to start.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        It showed up in the middle for me.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          It almost threw me at first, but they must pay lots to have these ads placed. Lots of followers for Howard..

      • Snake Plissken

        The best part of this clip is at 7:30 where Tom Cruise talks about how he’s too busy saving the world to take a vacation.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      wow how is she allowed to go on his show after something like this—maybe major sec-checking after all the entheta ?

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Yeah, sec-checking at her expense. What a racket!

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    Here’s a recent one found on FB https://www.youtube.com/watch…

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    My bad, have to go back. Fookin’ whatever I tried to cut and paste. I know how to do it from YT. Be back

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

    https://www.youtube.com/watch…

    Howard Stern talks about Scientology

    Howard Stern talks about Scientology on Sirius.

  • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan
    • Are_sics

      He’s so annoyingly bad on details. “The whole point is to become clear… which is being theta 7″…. stop it. And if he would stop with the intro “it’s just like every other religion — they’re all equally stupid…” etc.

      That’s Howard, though. At least he is pimping the movie, and is appropriately derisive sometimes.

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        I know, but he did come through and that’s a plus.

    • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

      I like all the “mistakes.” He’s a clever one.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKDVihno9xU Is this the link you were looking for? Explaining KRs to Wogs like me.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      No found it, thanks

      • Todd Tomorrow

        This one is older but good as well.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      whoe-this is good

  • Guest

    You know, I can’t help thinking that Frieda Kahlo would be pretty pissed off to have a her image appropriated for some crazy cult that considers Mexicans to be inherently inferior, per L Ron Hubbard.

    These people are idiots. Imagining themselves to be superior somehow, while engaging in the same cultural appropriation as any other wog group. Fuck scientology.

  • Chocolate Velvet

    You know, I can t help thinking that Frieda Kahlo would be pissed off, to have her image appropriated by some crazy cult that considers Mexicans to be inferior beings, per L Ron Hubbard.
    Fuck scientology.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      On NPR today they talked about her love letters being auctioned off. She was just as intense in expressing her love in poetry as she was in her art. The examples were something you should read if you appreciate her.

  • sizzle8
    • Zana

      Thanks!! Wow… love this coverage!

  • romanesco

    Have there ever been any suits filed against Scientology for intentional infliction of emotional distress? Seems like something that would be relatively easy to win.

    http://www.alllaw.com/articles/nolo/personal-injury/intentional-infliction-emotional-distress.html

    • Todd Tomorrow

      I don’t think that anything is easy to win against their ‘dream teams’ of lawyers they put together. If anything they pull all the usual dirty legal tricks, like keeping the case alive until you can no longer afford to fight them.

      • romanesco

        Note my use of the term “relatively.”

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I did note that. Not sure what you’re getting at? “relatively easy to win’. I wish it was and people could be helped at least to get their wasted money returned. History shows us that none of the cases brought against the cult have been easy to win.

          • romanesco

            Scientology has been forced to settle in some cases, most recently in some of the Narconon suits. You’d have to read and think more to understand why I believe a tort like IIED could be more easily proved against Scientology than some other claims.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Yeah, it’s pretty easy. They have almost 30 expensive lawyers and they bury you in motions. The case drags on for years. But it’s okay if you believe you just file suit and they settle. It’s okay.

            • romanesco

              Nice try. Hint: nobody’s forcing you to read only half of what I say here.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              When you correct me and others on grammar and spelling, I’m going to correct you on your plain ignorance. Get used to it.

            • romanesco

              You really seem to have a need to project ignorance onto others.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              That makes no sense at all. But you seem to have a need to call people out when they misplace an apostrophe. You’re the worst case example of an internet grammar nazi. Cool it, and I won’t make fun of you. We’re on the same side, I hope?

            • Mockingbird

              We may stop Scientology someday but there is no defeating the dreaded grammar Nazis !!

            • Scream Nevermore

              They could direct their energies elsewhere. We’re all supposed to be on the same side here.

            • Mockingbird
            • Robert Eckert

              Perhaps we need to start sending equipment to the grammar Soviets? I know they’re not really better, but the enemy of the enemy…

            • Mockingbird

              Ha ha ha !!!!
              http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?37742-THE-IMPLACABLE-FOE-!!!&p=984066&highlight=implacable#post98406

            • romanesco

              I looked up the Rathbun case and yes, you’re right. It is about IIED. In my initial post, I was thinking of some other instances.

              Being disrespectful and so shallow as to reduce the meaning of somebody’s remarks to a black and white issue doesn’t come across as witty. It just comes across as bitter.

              There are no sides, only issues.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              So now you want to talk about shallowness? Heh

            • romanesco

              Okay, since you begged for it.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I was properly educated. I know the rules of grammar and I often break them intentionally. I write the way I speak.

              The fundamental difference between you and I is that I can write off the top of my head, and you lose your head when people like me break some silly convention.

              You will always be boring. I will never give a shit.

            • romanesco

              Good deal. Something give you the idea spoiling for a fight all the time, polarizing issues and rarely having anything of substance to say makes you somehow not boring?

              Crappy grammar such as evidenced in the post I’m replying to here doesn’t necessarily indicate a failure to understand issues, but it does reflect a lack of respect for both the reader, who is called upon to work harder to make sense of what’s written, and also the writer, who knows on some level he’s compromising his credibility.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Good deal. Something give you the idea spoiling for a fight all the time, polarizing issues and rarely having anything of substance to say makes you somehow not boring?

            • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

              “Crappy grammar such as evidenced in the post I’m replying to here doesn’t necessarily indicate a failure to understand issues, but it does reflect a lack of respect for both the reader, who is called upon to work harder to make sense of what’s written, and also the writer, who knows on some level he’s compromising his credibility.”

              This is a very prescriptivist attitude toward language. I agree that sloppy grammar caused by ignorance and/or carelessness is unacceptable but intentional style choices and purposeful voice in the written word is the pinnacle of language mastery (Um, Huck Finn?). If you cannot tell the difference between the two — you are missing out.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              That was beautiful. Sorrry—-

              That, was beautifull.

            • Kay

              I agree, Nat-leficent did a good job, she’s very articulate.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’ve been a fan.

            • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

              *whispers* Your bribe is in the mail 😉

            • Kay

              :-) I take master card, american express, and visa. Oh, and pay pal. LOL

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Exactly. That’s why I never take sides on any issues. Teams are a real waste of time and accomplish nothing. I’ve got no issues with you, romancesco.

              Amitirite J3!? Up high, gimme 5! Woot woot!!!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Fuck the Detroit Tigers.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              I’ve got issues with Detroit.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Can I just rest my head on your shoulder for a minute? I would lokr to rajw a narp.

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Sure, but it sounds like you need to take a shot first, and I just happen to have a little extra tissue plasminogen activator. Should clear that right up.

            • romanesco

              Oh, I’m absolutely on your side, all the way, Herr Führer Jimmy! Whatever you say! I hereby admit my gross crime of commenting on the unreadability of wacky-looking comments and totally accept the wisdom of your confusion between “relatively easy” and “pretty easy.” Sieg HEIL!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I was just trying to make peace so we could keep this board on topic. I thought you’d accept.

            • romanesco

              “That makes no sense at all,” “You’re the worst case example….,” “Cool it and I won’t make fun of you” are not peacekeeping words, Jim, and trying to blame me for going off topic when you deliberately set out to start a fight is seriously out of line.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Hold on for a second. Please. Your good with grammar, write? Someone down thread just posted this:

              Good deal. Something give you the idea spoiling for a fight all the time, polarizing issues and rarely having anything of substance to say makes you somehow not boring?

              We need to fix this immediately. Can you help? How would you fix this?

            • romanesco

              Did you find it readable? Did you get the point right away? Do I need to refer you to your own advice?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              No. No. No.

            • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!
            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Sometimes I don’t know if I’m being trolled. But I always know I don’t care.

            • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

              😀

            • Kay

              Thank you, Nat-leficent

            • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

              Hi Kay :)

            • Kay

              Hi back…I’m up late, can’t sleep. Oops I think I made a grammatical error in the previous sentence, is that a death-penalty offense? hahahahaha

            • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

              Only if a certain someone notices XD

            • Kay

              LOL

            • romanesco

              And that applies to me only. Got it. Nighty night.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      That is what the Monique Rathbun case is about.

      • romanesco

        It seems to me that one is more about stalking and harassment, which would be covered by different statutes, but I’d have to take a look at the original complaint to verify that. IIED statutes cover personal injury.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Read the arguments. The claim of intentional emotional distress is the main allegation. That’s what the entire case centers around.

          • romanesco

            Link?

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Google it. Monique Rathbun + intentional emotional distress

  • Ella Raitch

    So now Alec Bladwin knows that Tom Cruise knows that Sea Orgers are being paid 50 c per hour to build him pretty things…magic. Lovely to hear Lawrence Wright calling on ‘celebrity megaphone’ Tom Cruise to speak up about abuses in Scientology.

    Nice to hear Baldwin’s recollections about Milton Kinselas.

    Bring on the Film Actors Guild

  • Jenstnick

    Hearing Baldwin on the radio, I keep waiting for him to talk about his Schweddy Balls.

    • Ella Raitch

      Same!

    • Diane

      Me too! No one can resist his Schweddy Balls.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    A bit silliness for the late crew! I posted this earlier but I just listened to it again and it’s funny stuff. A podcast of the Upright Citizens Brigade spoofing the egomaniac LRH. My favorite bit is LRH boasting about being a “condor scout” saving his troop from commie infiltrators by leading them into a bear cave. I’m looking forward to part 2.

    And this is even funnier when you consider that UCB’s theater is located next to the CO$.

    “Unprecedented! Host H.G. Wells (Paul F. Tompkins) barely scratches the thetan-encrusted surface of guest L. Ron Hubbard (Andrew Daly) and calls for a followup interview at the end of this one. Enjoy and then wait!”
    http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/6/5/a/65ad82fb50363c6e/Chapter_45_-_L._Ron_Hubbard_Part_1.mp3?c_id=8764237&expiration=1429082402&hwt=1a0bb65f24b34f8a229ba7e27e7985da

    • worstcultever

      I’ve always loved Paul F. Tompkins as H.G. Wells .. have downloaded this from iTunes and can’t wait to listen to the whole thing in the car .. “So, whether you’re an OT, an SP, a BFF, a CEO of IBM flying to the UK out of LAX …”

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Now I’m always going to think of LRH as the “Chancellor of Arby’s” LOL

  • Ella Raitch

    I have put together all of the Scientology entities with EINs that have been bandied about here and at ESMB over the last couple of days (some WWP info was cross posted at ESMB too)

    Trying to figure out the best way to compile, maintain and share this across platforms – pdf may just win out

    Would like to ultimately add the sorts of infractions people could record against the different entities (in line with what they are each responsible for) and examples of/links to evidence

    Hope this works for everyone:

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=10154&d=1429075944

    • PickAnotherID

      Thank you.

  • juliebean123

    I’ve an aunt,whom joined this cult in the late 70’s. She became a high ranking auditor. We would hear from her from time to time. I had no idea what Scientology was…at one point,she was “working” at the celebrity center in L.A.,I had not seen her for years,I was in my 20’s,was still naive to the cult(I am sorry if my calling it a cult,I do not mean to offend anyone)I went to the center and gave my aunt’s name,and asked to her…It was as though I was visiting some government secret sight. I was bullied,was escorted off the compound by what looked like secret service men.
    Flash forward to the late 90’s. My aunt at this point,was at the center in Clear water,Florida. My parent’s had retired and moved to central Florida. My aunt,showed up,in the middle of the night,at my parent’s home in hysterics…she had to be kept in hiding,car’s were surveying my parent’s condo,my father had to hide her car in an undisclosed area. I got very angry at this point,and flew down,fearing for my parent’s. That is when I learned,something wasn’t right. I asked my aunt so many questions,the phone would not stop ringing,with the center calling every 10 minutes,car’s parked outside the house. It was,one of the most bizarre things,I have ever been through.
    She finally had to leave the state….flash forward 2003. She then moved back to clearwater,stating she was granted amnesty from the church. However,she is not living on the compound,and as far as we know,she is not working for them? After this wonderful documentary was aired,my father filled me on some more things…in 2008,she decided to disconnect from my mother,my mother then died in 2009,my aunt was at the funeral,being watched,my dad recently went to visit her,she took him downtown to show him the wonderful things Scientology has done for downtown clear water. I always,just thought my aunt was just “eccentric” and my thoughts had nothing to do with her choice to be a huge part of Scientology,now,I feel she is mentally fried. I am angry that my dear mother’s funeral,was being watched by these people,I am angry she felt she had to disconnect from us,I am angry,that we had to tip toe around her,and be told,”don’t mention to(name)your on medication”,…her reason,for showing up in the middle of the night in the 90’s…she was going to be forced into hard labor. We were never allowed to ask her about the cult/church/center. That is all she told us.
    I do not want my father ever going to visit her again,I do not want her around,am I wrong,for having the fear I have? And does anyone know,why she would be granted “amnesty” but isn’t living,nor supposedly working for the center?

    • HTC

      That’s a tough story, and sorry for you and your parents, and especially your aunt. You certainly won’t offend anyone here by calling the cult a cult.

      • juliebean123

        Thank you….that’s the only word I can come up.

        • HTC

          You will find lots of support and knowledge here. I’ve never been in nor do I know anyone who has. Not sure where you’re at, but around 7 am EST there will be a new post from Tony and a barrage of commenters, you can ask more questions then.

          • juliebean123

            Thank you!

    • Kay

      I’m so sorry you went through that. I am a big believer in “gut feelings”, so if you feel something is wrong, I don’t think you should feel guilty about that. I have never been in scientology, but there are lots of people on this site who have been, and they will give you good advice and support. Give them time to read this and respond, as it is the middle of the night right now. My best wishes to you.

      • Kay

        P.S. I would be very angry at strangers gawking at my mother’s funeral also. That is inappropriate and invasive.

        • juliebean123

          It sickens me! It sickens me even more after watching “Going Clear” and learning more about this thing/place/cult. We were never to ask her questions…if we did,she would slam down whatever she was doing,and leave….even when she showed up in the middle of the night..all she said was what I wrote “she was going to be forced into hard labor” None of us knew what that meant. Now I know. sick! sick! sick! And someone,tell me why,the COS,is even allowed? I see it as no different then james jones and his compound. How is this tax exempt? We speed,we get a traffic ticket. These people are dangerous,they get more money. huh?

          • Kay

            Well that is why so many people follow this blog, both “never-ins” who have never been in the CoS, and ex-scientologists. It is a very informative place to find good information from the proprietor, Tony Ortega, and all of the people who have a history of being in scientology who are now out. Yes, the CoS has a ton of money. However, with everything that has recently come to light in the media , along with the lessening of fear on the part of journalists to criticize them in the mainstream media is changing things. It used to be that everyone was afraid of even posting online comments against them. Keep logging in to underground bunker, read many of the comments, continue to ask questions and you will learn a lot that will help you deal with your feelings about this issue. You will get a lot of support here.

          • Kay

            Also, read the article on Scientology and the IRS on this site. There are lots of people here who are writing the IRS objecting to their tax-free status. You can also do that.

    • Richard

      The Church put out a number of amnestys over the decades, but I’m pretty sure these were always a devious way of getting people who had blown back in to the fold and get them on course and audited and get their money.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Agreed. One important thing, is when people quit due to not getting any results, meaning never attaining OT powers, then whatever reasons Scientology uses to get people back and supposedly moving again towards their “full OT” status, is doubly triply quaddruply bad.

        More selling of the unobtainable is how I see it now.

        If Scientology made OT super people, then fine. But they don’t, and no group on earth can make soul astronauts out of anyone and no one has been able to do so in all of human history, sadly.

        Scientology has 101 dodge answers to keep the dupes hoping for their “full OT” ability.

        Only the best actors can fake “full OT” and even they (bless them) quit and tell that it’s all balderdash!

        Quit faster or never join, is the only sane approach to Scientology.

    • Techie

      You might think of reposting this during the North American daytime, there are fairly few that are up at this time. And the day’s new post just went up so most have moved on. From your story, it does sound like your aunt accepted an amnesty. Guess what the first step of accepting an Amnesty is? Writing up all your crimes, of course. Then you can be “forgiven”, though the 1991 amnesty specifically excepts financial crimes. From the rest of the story, I would say she was sent to the RPF (Rehabilitation Project Force, Scientology correctional facility so to speak, tonyortega.org/2014/07/16/camilla-andersson-goes-public-after-29-years-in-scientologys-inner-elite/) on the night she showed up at your house, or was threatened with RPF, and when she went back she ended up leaving the Sea Organization but ended up staying involved in Scientology. This is pretty common. As a dedicated Scientologist she would have exhibited all the behaviors you describe.

      • juliebean123

        I have been immersed in reading so many other things on this blog. How do i repost? Right now,I am off to work. If anyone knows how to repost what I wrote,or if that is possible,feel free. I will return later. I am so disgusted by what I have read about this David M.,creature,I could vomit.

  • juliebean123

    What does it mean,when someone who has “escaped” the cult,get’s amnesty? See my post below.

    • Scream Nevermore

      They declared a ‘general amnesty’ in 1991, but I don’t know if that’s the same thing. There’s a doc on it here: http://www.mediafire.com/view/mjoywwyfajf/RTC+ED+450.pdf

      If that’s no good to you (I haven’t read it yet) if you hang around, I’m sure one of the exes will be able to help.

      • juliebean123

        oh,thank you so much!

        • Scream Nevermore

          I’ve had a quick look at it, and i suspect it’s not applicable to your aunt. You say she disconnected from your mum in 2008 – that’s a bit odd, if she was still out?

          • juliebean123

            I agree.

            • Scream Nevermore

              Let’s keep our comments in the main thread under your first post – makes it easier for people to find! :)

            • juliebean123

              I am sorry. I am not a technology person,and don’t even know what you mean by main thread. I will learn. So,even though she isn’t living in the clear water center(she is living near the airport,the reason she is living near the airport,I was told by my other aunt,is something to do with aliens?!?!?!?!)…she gave all her money,is possibly going through insane auditing,to get back in the ranks???? Ya know,this past x-mas,I sensed she saw us as SP’S,or whatever it is…..she left without saying goodbye,just kind of slithered out.

            • Scream Nevermore

              I’m wondering if she’s had some kind of breakdown – the aliens thing doesn’t sound good?

            • juliebean123

              ya think????? She is sooooo rattled. So rattled!

          • juliebean123

            She must have been in????

    • http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslinger/ Jens TINGLEFF

      Part of the intricate punishment and punishment regime in the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology. (Reward, not so much.)

      Seriously, I suggest you read “Closing Minds: How Scientology’s “Ethics Technology” is Used to Control Their Members” by Jefferson Hawkins. It not only has some general points about the undue influence mechanisms of cults in general, but it mainly explains specifically the control mechanisms used in the Co$.

      • juliebean123

        Thank you…I shall do that.

  • Pierrot

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    Complete IRS form 13909: see Tony Ortega : http://tonyortega.org/2015/04/13/if-you-want-the-irs-to-reexamine-scientologys-tax-exempt-status-its-time-to-get-real/#more-21822
    And Jeffrey Swift : http://scientologymoneyproject.com/2014/04/18/time-to-13909-the-church-of-scientology/
    Write a personal letter to your congress person.

    Check the RedX tips : https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-119#post-2525027
    Flag co$ lies by using the RedX spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

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    DON’T route out, BLOW, Get HELP, get OUT. CALL 1-866-XSEAORG

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  • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!
    • Kay

      OK, I can go there, even though it’s OT. The reason I can is that due to the fact that I was raised in a religious home where we prayed and said blessings before eating, I, unfortunately, after giving a lecture on renal function as a Nursing Professor, got to the end and accidentally said “In Jesus name, amen.” Yes, I never heard the end of that. Chalk it up to fatigue, way too many clinical hours with students that week, or early dementia, or all three. The students looked shocked, then roared with laughter.

      • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

        Lol. Only time I scared myself (that I was going to get ratted out by the kids) while teaching was the time I said something vaugely judgemental about religion out loud to Lindsey K. (who was great on the volleyball court but always slept in my English class and always made excuses for not doing her homework).
        Me: Lindsey, where’s your homework?
        Lindsey: Ms. M, I didn’t have time to do it.
        Me: Why not?
        Lindsey: I was at church ALL NIGHT!
        Me: Well, I hope you prayed for Jesus to help you on your test.
        Class: Oooooo!
        Me: (nonchalantly) Oh, pipe down. (To self) Fuck. Fuck. Fuckity Fuck.

        • Scream Nevermore

          I say stuff like that to my mum and she gives me The Look, and the quote about the Devil quoting scripture for his own ends! 😀

          • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

            Good ol’ Matthew 4:5-6. They used that one on me all the time.

          • Kay

            LOL !

        • Kay

          FOFL !!! I have made a couple of unfortunate slips like that while teaching, then immediately hoped no one heard me. (which is a safe bet, because lots of students are cruising the internet instead of listening at any given time) I had a REALLY tough time when teaching psych nursing when the students asked me what the deal was with Scientology and psychiatry. Wow I had to dance around that gingerly with a poker face since I was uber informed on the topic and had such strong feelings about it. Whew.

        • Kay

          Nat-leficent: I am still laughing about the above exchange, seriously. Even though I am having a serous bout of aggravating insomnia, it was well worth it just to read that.

          • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

            Kids are hilarious.

            • Kay

              Yes, they truly are. I have had students do and say such funny things while doing clinical rotations in hospitals that I have had to excuse myself to the ladies room so that I could laugh my head off in private rather than in front of patients.

        • Baby

          Hahhahaha… I can just hear you saying that too Nat..especially with your background…

          • https://www.pinterest.com/natlificent/ Nat-leficent!

            *Hugs for Baby*
            Miss ya Baby! We’re never around at the same time!

      • Mymy88

        But you forgot to describe what the look must have been on your face, once you realized what you had said? lol

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Always a conundrum Scientology can’t ever dodge is whether to boast or not about Hubbard’s fiction writing career.

    Scientology can’t avoid Hubbard’s slop over prolific sci fi pulp story themes.

    Newbies always wonder how that relates to what they read in Hubbard’s Scientology writings.

    And when they see the Hubbard “tech” films, there are several with clearly sci fi galactic story lines.

    • anoni81b4u

      Xenu Agrees with Chuck !

      • MaxSpaceman

        Meepthorp also agrees with Chuck !

        • Ben Franklin

          We in Teegeeack also agrees with Chuck !

    • Rachel

      George Smiley? Which was first? That brilliant creation, the enigmatic spy master by John le Carre, (I’m a fan) or a cult leader? Just curious.

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Hubbard gave us “George Smiley” first, since “One Was Stubborn” was written in 1940!

        • Rachel

          Well that’s a disappointment! I’ll get over it somehow.

          • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

            Well, once you sort through the scraps of history, you see that even bad people, like Hubbard, left crumbs that coincidentally had some “good” in them, laughably!