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When Scientology was pouring on the ‘religious’ angle very thick: A video mystery

Sci1972Jonny Jacobsen, our man in Paris, sent over a fun item today. We’ll let him explain what it is.

I stumbled across this 20-minute reportage on Scientology, shot mainly at their Saint Hill base and broadcast in January 1972 on French television.

This two-minute extract introduces you to a number of people occupying important positions at the time, but they are not all identified by name here or even in the complete 20-minute piece. (Some of them don’t even appear beyond this introduction.)

So I thought I’d appeal to the hive mind of the Bunker to see if we can put a few names to faces.

Of the six people who step up to the camera and introduce themselves, the first is David Gaiman (father of Neil) about whom Tony has written fairly extensively in the past.

 

 
Gaiman was one of Hubbard’s most capable lieutenants at this time and gives a good interview later in the report. Gaiman died in 2009 and you can find an official tribute to him here.

But who are the others?

Help me fill in the blanks.

— The spokesman for Scientology is David Gaiman;

— Commanding Officer; shorter guy, English accent;

— A communicator: blonde woman, couldn’t catch the accent;

— Commanding officer of the college; English accent;

— Deputy for Policy Knowledge: English accent;

— Registrar: a Scottish woman.

Perhaps you can also identify the members of the choir and the rather uncharismatic Scottish minister.

I’ll be running a lengthier piece on this programme over at Infinite Complacency a little later, with screen shots from some of the other people interviewed in the programme.

(Among them is a certain Jane Kember, who regulars will know was another big-hitter of the day – much good it did her in the end.)

Feel free to drop in there too and try to put names to those faces.

 
Thanks, Jonny. We especially like the “religious” show they put on for the French film crew, complete with clerical collars and a choir! That’s good stuff.

UPDATE: And here’s Jonny’s full post about who’s who in the video, at his blog.

 
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Chris Shelton answers your questions!

With his following expanding, former Scientology Sea Org worker Chris Shelton starts up a new feature, answering the questions that come in at his YouTube channel…

 

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Actual caption from Scientology Birmingham UK: “Noel just finished his Golden Age of Tech Phase II training as a Supervisor and is now ready to help you get through your course with speed! Come to the Org to find out what course would be best for you.”

 
SciBirmingham

 
“Dianetics, which is the company that publishes the book ‘Dianetics,’ is our sponsor.” So eloquent. Thank you, tipster for this 2006 clip.

 

 
Scientologists are using social media more than ever. Drop us a line if you spot them posting images to Instagram or Facebook!

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on February 21, 2015 at 07:00

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  • cdub

    we had sunday service at our local org only because higher-up management demanded it. otherwise it was just a nuisance to all the staff. i think i spoke once or twice to a bunch of empty chairs.
    i remember when all the auditors had to wear black shirts and the priest collar too, they took a lot of jokes for that. another requirement from higher-up, didn’t last though. this was all in the early or mid 70’s.
    what a waste of time!

    • Missionary Kid

      Isn’t all $cientology a waste of time?

      • cdub

        that’s actually what i meant, i just shortened. what i meant: “the entire decade was a waste of time, all ron hubbard’s mind control was a waste of time, if you’re reading this and interested, listen: it sounds good on the outside, secrets of the universe and all, but inside it’s all cheap science fiction.”

        • Missionary Kid

          I thought so, but I had to be a wise ass.

          • cdub

            hey i’ll take any excuse to write more about the scamology fraud.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Not the, Lulz.

  • Todd Tomorrow

    On a quick break from a barbaque. Anybody hear what happened with, Morrocan national, Franc the clammy security guard holding the lady captive at, Wells Fargo?

    • Did you view the video on youtube yet?
      Update: I don’t believe there have been any updates since the vid was posted.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Last night I think but it ended prior to the police arriving. Is there more?

        • Mark Foster

          Yes, there´s a longer one way down-thread…

  • Todd Tomorrow

    You’re so right Cardone it is a business. I love Araon Barnette on CNBC, Looks like she flustered the shripmy, ass hat.

  • Robert Eckert

    Would you like to hear what he’s saying?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzmhIlW15qw

    • GrandEclectus

      I love it! Where do I sign up! I wanna know!

      • ROFL!!! Right here GE

        http://tarvu.com/

        • GrandEclectus

          Too much like work. I think I’ll be a cultural Taurvuist, but not a practicing one. Thanks!

          • lolol. I think I have seen everything I needed to see re cults from this webpage.

    • LongtimeLurker

      For those interested, the man behind Tarvuism (and the narrator of the video) is Peter Serafinowicz, possibly best known to USers as the other housemate in Shaun of the Dead, and the voice of Darth Maul in whichever unwatchable Star Wars prequel tragedy he was in.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Serafinowicz

      • Robert Eckert

        I didn’t remember that Darth Maul got to speak. I guess he did.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Line 1 – Tatooine is sparsely populated. If the homing trace is correct, I will find them quickly, Master.

          Line 2 – At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have revenge.

          That’s all folks.

          • Robert Eckert

            Interesting tidbit from his filmography:
            2006 South Park, Darth Chef Voice; episode: “The Return of Chef”

            • Qbird

              I saw this a while back, some kid sent me the link after a chat about Scn. Inc.
              Hiya Robert. Do you remember a poster from way back went by the avi Marion Dee?

            • Robert Eckert

              Yeah, she lost her ex-husband to the Larouchies and had a lot of insight about mind-warp in general.

            • Qbird

              That’s it… today I was disseminated to by a LaRouchePAC / “church” person.
              It was intense. I thought this was the group Marion Dee spoke of. But I wasn’t sure. Thanks Robert, I knew you would remember.

            • Robert Eckert

              Where was this? The Larouchies have practically disappeared in the Detroit area, which I think used to be a stronghold. They used to be fairly common at community college campuses up to a couple years ago and then were gone.

            • Qbird

              Downtown Key West. They just bought up an little old church that use to be a thrift shop. My friend & I were walking around & they had re-opened. We went in. The lady was talking fast & hard selling me on her beliefs, handed me some literature (very glossy & scientific looking). On the business card was LaRochePAC — I thought of Marion Dee, remembering her story. This woman was aggressive in her approach & followed us talking away for a block. I finally stopped, looked her directly in the eyes & said, “I have your information, I will investigate further on my own, you need to go back to your business.” She, stopped & said okay. I walked away. My friend is concerned. Who the hell is LaRouche she asked me. I haven’t googled yet, just wanted to confirm.

            • GrandEclectus

              Ugh, I was afraid of that.
              I used to be a big Robert Beltran fan, and he did workshops for them. Donated a lot of money. Called himself a “La Rouchie”.
              I hope he escaped, but he seemed into it up to his short and curlies.
              Ugh. Cults! I hates ’em.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Wait, Chakotay Robert Beltran?

              Man.

            • GrandEclectus

              Yeah. Chakotay.
              Search: robert beltran linden larouche or Shiller Institute
              He was doing some kind of communications/acting workshop.
              Evidently, he was their Tom Cruise.
              That was 10 years ago. Don’t know if he’s still involved.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I am not going to search that.

              I’m already too depressed just knowing he went there.

              The details might drive me to drink.

              I hated the A-Team (tv) but always had a soft spot for Dwight Schultz. Then I found out he’d gone down the Wingnut talk-radio rabbit hole…

              Sigh…

            • GrandEclectus

              NP I understand.
              I was sad that Jason Lee and Ethan Suplee from My Name is Earl are both deep in scamtology.

              Pod people! You never know who they’re going to scam next!

            • LongtimeLurker

              Not that I don’t appreciate your replies.

              Just sometimes the “headline” is enough, you know?

              Lurker to self – “Okay, Robert Beltran = La Rouchie, pigeonhole him based on that, try not to think about it, go look at pictures of baby wombats.”

              Also, I’m way hungover and less robust than normal.

            • Robert Eckert

              Florida and California are magnets for such groups. Sigh.

            • Robert Eckert

              So I Googled LarouchePAC to see what they are up to lately, and scrolling through their Facebook page (multiple screeds per day) found this one that sounded like Kent Hovind (see above) and LRH thrown into a blender:

              What is currently being taught in the name of science is a fraud. As Lyndon LaRouche has shown, the beginning of the 20th century saw a politically motivated operation — typified by the role of Bertrand Russell — to destroy what remained of a scientific tradition rooted in an understanding of the unique powers of human creativity as a force separating mankind from the beasts, and replace competent science with radical empiricism and mathematics. What passes for science today is often, at best, conditioning people to act like trained animals, if not computers — mankind’s future will depend upon reviving a true science, centered upon the role of the creative powers of the human mind, per se, as Cusa and Kepler typified to actual origins of modern science.

            • Billy Bob

              Rampant Empiricism. Just… you know… the facts, ma’am.

            • Robert Eckert

              And that mathematics… why, those scientists even use calculus, and Lyndon and LRH firmly agree that calculus is nonsense.

            • Robert Eckert

              From Lyndon’s wife Helga (not 70 yet; Lyndon might die soon but Helga will still be with us a while) some years back:
              In February 2000, Helga Zepp LaRouche exposed the murderous intent of the violent video culture, and particularly the Pokemon cult, charging that “America’s children are in mortal danger.”

            • LongtimeLurker

              OMG! That’s too good.

      • Phil McKraken

        I up-voted for “… whichever unwatchable Star Wars prequel tragedy…”

        That’s stable data.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Thanks Phil, my disdain for post-1979 George runs pretty deep.

    • Sergeant Pepper

      I don’t know, Pasta Designers don’t have that kind of free time.

  • GrandEclectus

    Just met a Scientologist online. They really aren’t aware of the real issues of the cult, and they really buy into the lies.

    We’ve tried to tell them.

    Note: location of head may differ from org to org.
    F5

    • flyonthewall

      They really do. Even the ridiculous SP editors who sabotaged the books line. They have willingly surrendered their ability to think and criticise. Sickening

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Just try to keep them talking. I got two that got out or Narcanon not to go back. One actually threatened to stick me with a knife. Which online would be difficult but eventually he started listening.

    • Robert Eckert

      Sometimes more like:

  • Todd Tomorrow

    Enrage: Documentary on Scientology raises questions

    Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief,
    one of the most sought after tickets of the festival, premiered amidst
    heightened security the specter of organized protests that never
    materialized but added a strange vibe.

    Based on the book by Pulitzer Prize-winning Austin author Lawrence
    Wright, Alex Gibney’s scathing documentary relies on interviews with
    ex-Scientologists, extensive film footage of founder L. Ron Hubbard as
    well as what interests casual observers most about Scientology —
    revelations about members Tom Cruise and John Travolta.

    Based on the book by Pulitzer Prize-winning Austin author Lawrence
    Wright, Alex Gibney’s scathing documentary relies on interviews with
    ex-Scientologists, extensive film footage of founder L. Ron Hubbard and
    revelations about members Tom Cruise and John Travolta.

    The first half of the documentary explores the history of Scientology,
    its beliefs (extra-terrestrials, working to specific stages of
    enlightenment and on it goes) and Hubbard. The second half offers
    revelations that the church plotted the break up Tom Cruise and his
    then-wife Nicole Kidman, tapped her phone, and turned their children
    against her so to position him to be the poster boy of Scientology.
    Cruise comes across as pretty darn strange but that won’t surprise those
    who saw him come unglued with Matt Lauer or jump on Oprah Winfrey’s
    couch.

    While much of the information has been in the public domain for some
    time, it was still shocking to see all the damaging information about
    Scientology’s tax-exempt status, its physical and emotional abuse of its
    members laid out as masterfully as Gibney has done. (Gibney has a long
    string of powerful documentaries, including Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room and Taxi to the Dark Side, winner of the 2007 Academy Award for Best Documentary.

    The film received a standing ovation with follow up questions from
    indignant audience members who wondered why the government hasn’t put a
    stop to Scientology. Gibney explained that even if the government did,
    most would not leave — it is a prison of belief.

    HBO plans to screen Going Clear on March 16 after it is shown
    in theaters in Los Angeles and New York for a week to qualify for
    Academy Award consideration next year.

  • nottrue

    …Stranger than fiction…..

  • Okay, it took a little longer than anticipated, but that’s the fault of all you folk who kept supplying the names and keeping me busy updating.

    I’ve just posted the long version of the piece on this programme from the French archives, supplying names where I had at least two credible sources. Since I downloaded the full 20-minute programme (for the princely sum of two euros) I was able to provide screen shots of some of the other participants. (I restricted myself to “speaking parts” but there were plenty of folk doing stuff in the background of course.) You’ll also find details of what different folk had to say about Scientology at the time — and perhaps you can identify some of them.

    Many thanks for all your help identifying these people — and to Tony for letting me tap into the Bunker’s hive mind. Now I’m off to have a whisky and watch something with zombies.

    • RBE

      Thanks Jonny, I have been looking forward to your post.

    • FromPolandWithLove

      First to upvote You Monsieur Jacobsen:). Greetings from scio-free Poland:):):)

    • Simi Valley

      Thought you were already watching something with zombies in it, heh heh.

      • Nah, that was me — or at least that was the plan. Actually, I just fell asleep.

    • You can download 2.5Gb worth of scans of copies of “The Auditor” (1966 – 2000) here https://scicrit.wordpress.com/… and “The Journal of Scientology” here https://scicrit.wordpress.com/

      Many issues date from Hubbard’s time in Saint Hill Manor, and there are many pictures of Scientology ‘ministers’ and ‘articles’ rationalising the brief adoption of a serious religious front. There may be additional background here.

      Although the issues were undated, the folders containing the scans are, you can go right to the relevant period.

    • Unex Skcus

      Another very interesting article, thanks! The link is: http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2015/02/from-archives-i.html

    • Liam

      You da bomb, JJ

    • Nice article.

      Is it me, or is the introducing statement by one of the clams “I am the registrar” translated on the voice over as “je suis le greffier?” (And the one before her “I’m the deputy for quality knowledge” translated as “je suis le delegue a la police interieure.”) If so, that’s probably more right than they expected 🙂

      • I agree: the tranlsations are rather bizarre here. But I just heard from one of the participants that they were also asked to translate the name of their posts and say it in French to the camera. Presumably they decided to go with the spoken English and use those tranlations for their voiceover. Making progress on some of those other names and will update my piece at IC later.

  • BosonStark

    This holiest of Scientology ministers would use his powerz to become Gatorademan…
    http://i1293.photobucket.com/albums/b582/Kkkkzzzz/holyone3_zpsf4147092.jpg

    • Miss Cabbage

      Or use his powerz to become Klaus Nomi!

  • sookiesookie

    I love the barely-restrained snark of the CNBC person as she interviews GC. Not to mention seeing Cardone right before he comes into the full flower of his d-baginess, with his anxiety and low self-esteem on display.

    • shasha40

      These videos will be gems in about …after March 29 th ! 😀

    • ze moo

      Cardone is the definition of douchebag. He is or was a partner in the Affinity Racing team. I can find no record of how the ‘Dianetics’ car worked out. It did get a lot of coverage in 2006 when it was painted up. After that, nothing. Probably turned right at the wrong time.

      “Strangely enough, the car’s driver, Kenton Gray, actually has more
      experience with Scientology than he does stock car racing. He founded the Dianetics Motorcycle Racing Team in 2001”

      • Qbird

        according to the stats @ NASCAR, neither the driver nor the car ever qualified. ZIP. NADA. Nothing!

        • shasha40

          Just proves , Scientology can’t fix everything .

        • GrandEclectus

          I did some searching on Kenton Gray. He is still featured in one of their “meet a Scientologist” vids, but that’s about it. His website is a one page Flash site, placeholder dated 2007. The other sites/organizations he was involved with are down. So, yeah. Scientology MAKES UP celebrities.

          • Qbird

            Mr. Q is rabid NASCAR fan – last time this subject came up, I really looked & couldn’t find anything of interest on him EXCEPT from scn. pr b.s.

            This racer’s done & gone… made no impact upon the sport whatsoever.

            • GrandEclectus

              Excellent! Mr. Q then would know better than me how to find Gray if there was even an inkling that he even ran ONE race.
              I found his Wikipedia page deletion discussion.
              So, anytime I see any name dropping by the cult, I’m going to let my fingers do the walking.
              Then I can shout: Boh-oh-oh-gus!

      • shasha40

        You had me at , ” Cardone is a douchebag .” : D

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s an insult to douchebags. ;-D

          • shasha40

            It is . : D

  • Simi Valley

    Don’t know who any of those people are in the little clip Jonny showed but they sure creeped me out. Like zombies from a really bad horror movie.

  • Anonymous

    The La scientologie video is a great reminder of the stiff, rote nature of “communication” from Scientologists of the time. It provides insight into one of the various versions of “TR’s,” which swung from a fixed-dedicated-glare to airy-fairy depending on who was running the TR’s course and which brand of rum Ron was drinking when he commanded that everyone do it a different way from last time.

    It may have been posted somewhere today already, but it’s not really a story about singing in Scientology if it doesn’t also include the ancient classic of Captain Bill Robertson singing the Galactic Patrol song (no doubt from aboard the Mothership.)

    Check it out: https://vimeo.com/26272536

    • GrandEclectus

      WTFrack did I just see? *Gets Bunker hard hat and puts it on*

      Edit: OK…here’s Tony’s story:
      http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/07/post_24.php

      Really thought I’d gone completely insane-er.

      • shasha40

        I love it when some one finds a new link , but then when I see it , it reminds me of how far as a never -in I’ve gone down the rabbit hole . Have fun . 🙂

        • GrandEclectus

          Every time I think I’ve seen it all, something like this…this…song…comes up from the pits of hades. Mind blown! I’m still tumbling down that rabbit hole. I don’t think there is a bottom.

          • shasha40

            There is none . I’m still here. It’s Scientology , just when you think they can’ t produce any more foot bullets , they do ! ! Lol

            • RMycroft

              “Every week, every month, every year, every decade and now
              every century, Scientology does weird and stupid things
              to damage its own reputation.”
              -Steve Zadarnowski

            • shasha40

              Thank you, tiny dick . 🙂

          • MaxSpaceman

            Captain Bill Robertson & The Invaders had a Top 10 hit with ” Galactic Patrol ” in seven global markets.

      • Anonymous

        NO…you are not going insane…you are just reading about Scientology which sometimes feels like the same thing.

        • GrandEclectus

          [hearing the entire pub break out into Jayne’s tribute song, the Hero of Canton]
          Simon:
          “No… this must be what going mad feels like.”
          Firefly

      • Liam

        Captain Bill Robertson had quite a set of pipes!

    • LongtimeLurker

      That. Is. Not. Good.

      • Anonymous

        Hater.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Lol.

      • Liam

        Don’t forget, Hubbard said he invented music. He also wrote a book on art, called “Art”, which received rave reviews:

        “His book, Art, loses any credibility when he sets his underlying theme down. From there on, all it does is serve to show what a monstrous ego he has. That Hubbard is not an artist is abundantly clear. That he is a poor writer of the lowest quality is also abundantly clear. That is the only certainty in this book, beyond the fact that it is nothing but a collection of badly written phrases attempting to tell artists something that they know is nonsense.”

        • LongtimeLurker

          Remind me what his name was when he invented music?

          Arpy Lumper?

          Burp Alpo?

          What the hell was it?

          • Liam

            Arpen Polo

            • chukicita

              Oh, OK. This is better than Arp Cola. No. No, it’s not.

            • chukicita

              Found reference to it in this newspaper article from the Gainesville Sun. I do not know how this has escaped me all this time: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1320&dat=19900630&id=kMFWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=PuoDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1426,9978689

            • Liam

              [edit-figured the newpaper link out]

            • Liam

              Nevermind, i’m a idiot

            • chukicita

              no, you’re not! no one is born knowing how that godawful screener works!

            • Liam

              I take issue with one point in that Sun article: they state thetans can infest plants. To my recollection, they only infest animals. The big thetans get to have humans and horses (the latter mainly for war-weary generals), while the little thetans get “lesser” animals.

            • chukicita

              As a never-in, I appreciate your perspective. I never heard about that one way or the other. But I’m wondering why, then, did Hubbard audit that tomato plant?

            • Liam

              I suspect there is no logic to any of it. Actually, I’m sure there isn’t:)

              But you pose a good question. What was he looking for? Was it just a photo-op, or was he implying that plants could have thetans just like animals?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Well since the tech works 100% of the time, maybe he was auditing it to prove plants can’t have thetans?

            • chukicita

              It could have been either. Maybe he thought it would be evidence that he was engaging in ‘research.’

            • Liam

              Oh now i see, the reference to Arpen Polo. Nifty find, chukicita! I don’t feel like an idiot anymore!! 🙂

            • Robert Eckert

              Lots of interesting secrets revealed including “there is no Christ”. How did this get no attention at the time (1990)?

            • Liam

              That’s a great point Robert. This article is very interesting.. Thanks, chukicita!

            • Liam

              I didn’t take the proper time to thank you for posting this link. Thanks, chukicita. There’s great stuff in there.

            • scottmercer

              You can keep your original idea, as Arpen Polo anagrams to “Renal Poop!”

            • chukicita

              I can’t thank you enough for that. 😀

          • Robert Eckert

            “Arp Cola”

            • Liam

              Robert is right (I had a bad reference)

            • LongtimeLurker

              HAHA! Thanks Robert.

              That’s actually worse than my fake ones. Also, Arpen Polo is great Liam.

              You can’t make this stuff up.

            • Liam

              This is funny: My googling along this line incidentally brought to my attention a sculptor which named “Jean Arp” and I decided I liked his work. He died in 1966, and has a foundation for his work in France, in a town called ….wait for it…. Clamart!

            • chukicita

              Where the hell is Robert Anton Wilson?

            • chukicita

              Seriously? Arp Cola? Crapola sideways?

              Now I know Scientology is always more bizarre than I thought — I thought it was bizarre enough to claim to have invented music. But ARP COLA?!

            • LongtimeLurker

              I never noticed that. That’s great.

            • Liam

              “Crapola sideways?”

              Wow, you may be the first sci-watcher to have noticed that! +100

    • Juicer77
      • LongtimeLurker

        Michael Maltese and Chuck Jones. Geniuses.

      • GrandEclectus

        Greatest cartoon evah. Ree-deep.

    • Zana

      Arg.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I though he was starting to sing “we all live in a Yellow Submarine” there for a second.

    • Unex Skcus

      Is Cap’n Bill still kicking a tin along? Haven’t heard anything of him in years.

      • LongtimeLurker

        CBR died in May 1991.

      • Liam

        He died from cancer, like many scientologists, because he refused proper treatment

        • Unex Skcus

          How typical 🙁

      • Anonymous

        Bill died when he was 60 years old.

        There is an excellent Tony Ortega story about BIll Robertson as told by Jon Atack here: http://tonyortega.org/2013/03/30/the-ballad-of-captain-bill/

        • Unex Skcus

          Thanks A. I’d forgotten about that article. Cap’n Bill sure was a character!

  • Edward Whalley

    One of the things that got me kicked out of Connecticut Anonymous (besides being fat, ugly and old) was that I suggested that at the end of the fight, the two sides would sit down to a catered dinnner (from the best restaurant in town) in a nearby park, on a fine evening near the Summer Solstice. There, we’d come to an understanding, that they would no longer impinge on 4channers, and Anons would understand that people have the right to their own beliefs, as long as they don’t don’t do harm to anyone else.

    Chris’s videos look to be a step in that direction. So, I drink his health!

    • chukicita

      For me, it’s never been about beliefs. It’s about abuses of people and the law.

      • shasha40

        I second that emotion ! 😀

      • LongtimeLurker

        Absolutely.

        If Scientology had EXACTLY the same beliefs but was an amazing humanitarian organization full of lovely humans doing good deeds, I’d probably join.

        Well, probably not. But you know what I’m saying.

        • shasha40

          I feel you , I would too .

        • chukicita

          That’s the thing, though. They couldn’t hold to the same beliefs and be a truly humanitarian organization. It would be ‘out-exchange.’

          • LongtimeLurker

            Yeah, of course.

            And also some of the core ideas (able more able, etc) are intrinsically asocial.

            But you know if it was just the thetans and previous lives and whatever…

            But yes, I take your point, and believe that myself.

        • Robert Eckert

          The Raelians have equally, or perhaps even more, whacky beliefs. But they commit no wrongs worse than attention-whoring.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Robert, are you saying I belong in the Raelians?

            • Robert Eckert

              More chances to get naked, anyway.

            • LongtimeLurker

              F5

      • Edward Whalley

        High-Five!

    • Captain MustSavage

      Sounds like a really naive suggestion to me. You understand why Anons wear the Fawkes mask, right? The organisation you wanted them to break bread with invented bomb threats to get Anons arrested, they follow them to their cars to get number plates so they know who to harrass.

      • LongtimeLurker

        But it’s not like there’s ever been any suggestion of people’s entire professional lives ruined, or physical violence or deaths that might have been covere…

        Oh.

        As you were.

        Sometimes, there aren’t 2 sides to a story.

      • Edward Whalley

        By then, harassment is going to be the last thing on their minds. I’ve seen these guys. They’re more scared of me (masked or un-) than I am of them. If I so much as look at them, they’re going to get Jo’burged. Make a joke about being the true Teeny Whopper, Ba-Bing! they’re going to be scrubbing toilets for six months. Unless….

        They decide to come clean, and embrace OT IX. Crowley’s Book of LIes 23: Skiddoo.

        And if they can’t get out,
        Find a T.
        Look for a U.
        And pray for an O.

        And get OUT.

    • daytoncapri

      Really. If someone in Scientology wanted to take a leader of 4chan or anon down, you think that a catered meal with a bottle of wine would cause them to change their plans. Really.

      • Edward Whalley

        Oh, that would be the bait. You see, this would happen AFTER we’ve rendered them toothless…

      • LongtimeLurker

        The one time I was nice to Louanne….

        ….

        Sorry, just waiting to see if she was going to magically appear…

        ….The one time I was nice to Louanne she completely ignored the comment, even though she was replying to every other one in the thread.

        Being nice might be the only thing they can’t respond to easily from the playbook.

        But personally, I wouldn’t sit down with an Org’s designated anti-Anon person if you paid me.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Thanks for that waffly, fence-sitting comment LL.

          Sorry about that, hungover.

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      • Observer

        I’m pretty sure her incisors are waaaay too long for Tom’s taste.

        • She’s definitely not a looker…maybe Tommy boy is switching up the flavor. No? ok….Maybe on another planet in the future.

          • Observer

            That’s not a dig at Mehvish Chaudry’s looks. It’s a dig at Tom Cruise’s ridiculousness.

            … in addition, says the source, Cruise wanted Boniadi’s incisor teeth filed down.

            http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2012/10/katie-holmes-divorce-scientology

            • Thanks for posting link. I’m like WOW what an A**hole. I heard about Boniadi but never looked into the story.

            • Correct…in a non-scio think. In Sci-tai land, threesomes are considered sexual perversion and sexual perversions are 1.1 (covert hostility) on the tone scale. It’s a no-no. It’s in the same class as being gay in the church. That’s why.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Hey, we should all meet up and go and be “gay in the church”!

              Like actually IN one of the orgs.

              I’ll leather-up and bring along my handbag dog.

              Who’s in?

            • lolol have fun with that cuz I’m a girl sooooooo…and I refuse to cut my long hair to look butch ..jus saying

            • Qbird

              don’t have to — ya just have to quit shaving’ yer legs… 😉

            • LongtimeLurker

              Hey now, you could always dress up like a lipstick lesbian.

              ETA – clarification.

            • LongtimeLurker

              “Nobody who had been in a threesome, for example, would be considered…”

              “…sent Boniadi to a photo shoot, which revealed that she wore braces and that her naturally black hair had red highlights. She was told that she had to lose the braces and make her hair one color to emphasize her ethnicity…”

              “Boniadi had been dating an Iranian man and was eagerly looking forward to becoming engaged…Boniadi was then shown confidential information from her boyfriend’s auditing files; and she chose to end the relationship.”

              My god.

              My god.

            • Quite frankly, I remember buying a copy of that story while a still-in. I threw it out as soon as I started reading it, so I never got the details but it goes to show how preposterous and outrageous Scientology is. Who would believe shit like this happens in real life? Re first quote: rofl!

            • LongtimeLurker

              Re first quote – 3somes are so not Lurker’s thing, but if I loved someone and wanted to be in a relationship with them, that would NOT be a major stumbling block.

              I mean, get a grip.

              It’s not like she enslaved a population, or warped an educational system, or bred bodies for degrading purposes, or usurped a location, or did anything that had better not happen again…

              Right?

            • beauty for ashes

              “Both women got cold on Miscavige. He was integral to the breakup of the marriages.” Of Miscavige, Rathbun tells me, “I felt I used every tool I knew in the Scientology tool book to overcome Cruise’s weaknesses, and I saw Miscavige use those frailties and weaknesses in order to manipulate.”
              Wow that was a lot of story! Poor Nazanin 🙁

      • Disregard question ML. I got my answer : )

    • aegerprimo

      Here is an article you will love Lush (the title is catchy as well)…

      ‘Going Clear’ Documentary Trailer: Release Date for Explosive New HBO Scientology Documentary Set, Can it Top South Park’s Takedown?
      http://www.idigitaltimes.com/going-clear-documentary-trailer-release-date-explosive-new-hbo-scientology-416495

  • Observer

    More tonsorial hilarity at the expense of Dear Leader (the North Korean one):

    • flyonthewall

      after 12yrs of having a huge beard, I recently shaved it all off and discovered I now have the face of 1970 Elvis

      • LongtimeLurker

        I’m terrified of shaving off my 6 year goatee.

        What if I don’t have a chin?

        • flyonthewall

          More than likely you will have two, like me 🙂 Needless to say I am regrowing my beard

          • LongtimeLurker

            I wish there was a chance of that, but I basically have the build of Christian Bale in The Machinist.

            • flyonthewall

              Oh my, lol. Awesome movie btw

            • LongtimeLurker

              I also have insomnia. So it was a bit close to home.

              But yes, amazing.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Dude- we have to get a few months of steaks and baked potatos into you and about an 8,000 calorie-per-day menu going for you. Pack on some pounds, bro.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Lurker like steaks & potatoes!

            • scottmercer

              More like pasta, rice, milkshakes, and donuts.

            • MaxSpaceman

              yep, after the steak and potatos!

            • LongtimeLurker

              Lurker like those food friends too!

      • Chee Chalker

        Lucky you! 1970 Elvis = good. 1976 Elvis……not so much

      • Unex Skcus

        LOL! I’m bearded simply coz years ago I couldn’t see the point of hacking at my face with a weapon of destruction any longer. 🙂 I’ve no idea what I’d look like without it, but I’m sure it wouldn’t be pretty.

    • LongtimeLurker

      F5/Refresh

    • Lurkness

      Are you feeling any better? Hope so.

    • Billy Bob

      Jong-un is the style setter for N. Korea ushering in the new era of the bad haircut

  • GrandEclectus

    The characters in today’s video remind me of the culty bomb worshipers from Beneath the Planet of the Apes. This is a featurette that shows how they designed the make up, etc.
    I love this hokey old movie.

    http://youtu.be/peHEOgiQgnI

    • LongtimeLurker

      Suprisingly okay sequel to awesome classic.

      • GrandEclectus

        I’ve always had a soft spot for this flick because Victor Buono! and because James Franciscus.
        They did a great job lampooning it in Mystery Science Theatre 3000. They had the bomb worshippers, and all.

    • Liam

      I wonder if this was the source of the bomb cult in Fallout 3

      • GrandEclectus

        I wouldn’t be surprised. This is from 1970 and is a cult flick, within the apes cult.

      • LongtimeLurker

        The Fallout folks have talked about their many influences and hommages.

        I don’t remember if BtPotA was on the list, but given what else is, I’d say yes, there’s a good chance they were riffing on it.

        • Liam

          Can’t wait for E3 2015 to find out about Fallout 4

          • LongtimeLurker

            I love that retrofuture* stuff.

            I’m working on a couple of things in that genre myself (not in games).

            *Not counting spaceplanes that are exact copies of Douglas DC-8s without the fans. Those are just stupid.

    • Chee Chalker

      I loved it too…. Classic!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Information at Infinite Complacency on the second guy in the video:
    “In the early 1980s, John Aczel was one of the victims of the purge carried out by Miscavige. According to several sources he was victim of one of the notorious “spitting orders” issued by Hubbard, which is to say at least one senior executive spit in Aczel’s face in compliance with a written order from Hubbard. Several sources tell me they saw the order: others witnessed Aczel’s humiliation.”

    Spit tech? Ack! Are you kidding me? Only a creep like Hubbard would dream up hocking loogies as part of his ecclesiastical plan to salvage the planet. And these lemmings went along with it! Still more evidence that Hubbard and his followers are beyond nutso.

    • LongtimeLurker

      That’s terrible.

      I’ve never come across the spitting order thing before.

      Thx for that.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        OMG, can you imagine? And nobody thought this was wrong apparently! *sigh*

        • LongtimeLurker

          And some of them probably even thought it was good – that it ‘worked’ and served a valuable purpose in pursuit of something fine and noble.

          Wow.

    • aegerprimo

      I am an ex… and ex Sea Org. I have never heard of – “spitting orders”.

      • Robert Eckert

        It’s always worse than even an ex-Sea-Orger thinks.

        • aegerprimo

          Yeah. It is becoming obvious to me that I was not in the Sea Org long enough to see such punishments (i.e. The Hole) and I saw people on the RPF, and you cannot talk to them, or even acknowledge their existence (such as eye contact). I was never sent to the RPF. I was not in long enough. THANK GAWD!

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        As a never-in I kinda wished I’d never heard of it either because it’s disgusting. I’m glad to hear it never happened to you. Do you know what your reaction might have been if you did?

        • aegerprimo

          That is a good question! I think it would’ve rattled me, my cognitive dissonance. Throwing people overboard a ship, spitting in people’s faces, the indignity of The Hole and the RPF, David Miscavige slapping people and calling them CICS names…. these things would’ve made me uncomfortable. Would I have done anything about it? Probably not in my brainwashed state.

          If such things happened to me now, as a “WOG” in a WOG working environment, I would LEAVE and report the abuse to the proper authorities.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Did you get to read Cowboy’s days with Ronald Sr., in La Quinta? The strangeness of Hubbard conveyed amazingly. Spitting in the face on Hubbard’s orders.

            • aegerprimo

              I have read a lot of Cowboy’s posts and stories at ESMB. I missed that story. Can you give a link to the account you mention? I would love to read it.

            • MaxSpaceman

              oh my … if only … I will google “Cowboy transcriptions” and see if it’s there. It’s a paragraph or 2 in the 95 + pages.

            • aegerprimo

              Oh jeez. His posts are all over ESMB. You can do a search at EMSB
              http://www.forum.exscn.net/search.php?do=process

            • MaxSpaceman
            • aegerprimo

              FANTASTIC! (….sneaking off to them read now…)

            • MaxSpaceman

              “What purpose, I asked myself, was served in forwarding the salvation of mankind, by Hubbard ordering someone to be spit on? By striking a groundskeeper? By blackmailing a government official? By humiliating those around him who had dedicated their life to helping him save the world?”

      • LongtimeLurker

        Hey AP, just so I have full understanding-tech

        …you’re not saying you don’t believe it happened, just that you think it was implemented in a very limited time-frame/locale…

        Or have I misunderstood?

        • aegerprimo

          I am saying I personally never saw the spitting orders thing.
          Do I believe it happened? Yes, because I do not doubt anything any exes say about what happened, to them. $cientology is always worse than you think.
          I also believe this spitting order thing was implemented in a very limited time frame AND locale. Only veteran ex-Sea Org members can give specifics on that (i.e. THDNE, Chuck Beatty, Chris Shelton, Tory Christman, etc.)

          • LongtimeLurker

            That’s totally what I thought you meant.

            Thank you.

      • cdub

        have read about spit tech several times, expecting DM to unveil the spit tech rundown soon

        • aegerprimo

          Got links?

      • LongtimeLurker

        Thanks aegerprimo.

      • Lurkness

        LRH would use his Messengers to apply spit tech. From Bare Faced Messiah, here it is in action on his own daughter:

        A few months later, Diana upset her father in some way. Hubbard
        reeled off a long reprimand to the messenger on duty, adding at the
        end of it: `OK, go and spit in Diana’s face.’ The messenger was a
        little dark-eyed girl called Jill Goodman, thirteen years old. She
        ran along the deck to Diana’s office, burst in, spat in her face with
        unerring accuracy and began shouting her message as Diana let out a
        scream of fury. Mary Sue, who was in an adjoining office, burst in as
        her daughter was wiping the spittle from her face. She grabbed Jill
        round the throat as if she was going to strangle her and also began
        screeching. Jill started crying and when Mary Sue let her go, she
        immediately rushed off to tell the Commodore. Another acrimonious
        husband and wife row followed, which ended with Mary Sue throwing her
        shoes at the luckless messenger Hubbard despatched to chastise her
        further.

        • aegerprimo

          Wow. I have the book and I guess I need to re-read it.

          I read it for the first tine a couple of years ago. I read it then as a person who had been out of the Cult of $cientology for a few years. After reading that book, and Margery Wakefield’s book The Road to Xenu”… I should re-read the book. First time through these books, and many others (i.e. A Piece of Blue Sky, Going Clear, Blown For Good, Beyond Belief, etc.)

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Thanks. What a creep! In the play Disconnection the COB character says, during an brutal fight with the Sea-org girl I think, something like “You’ll never be able to understand what happened to me on that boat”. Kinda like it is an reason for him becoming such a monster. I think he mentions being 7 or 11yrs old at that time. I’ve been wondering if that is drawn from real life or is just something thrown in for dramatic purposes to explain his motivation. Is there any information on this?

          • Lurkness

            DM was on the Apollo at 12. Never heard of trauma there, think it’s dramatic license.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Thanks

        • LongtimeLurker

          I have a real problem with many of Mary Sue’s actions. You don’t take stuff out on brainwashed children doing an adult’s bidding (or possibly misinterpreting same).

          Take it up with your meal ticket husband.

      • grundoon

        Scientology gets crazier as you go higher in the pecking order because the insanity comes from the top. The farther you are from L. Ron Hubbard and David Miscavige, the better.

    • chukicita

      That’s so Scientology.

    • sizzle8

      From a post by Chuck Beatty,
      “John Aczel” (I’ve written extensively, and on the spitting on John
      Aczel and Roger Barnes incident, there’s plenty of posting by people who
      were there, and both I and Janis Grady remember clearly the LRH phrase
      from a 1982 despatch answer from LRH, where both Janis and I thought for
      sure LRH was being figurative, but others, like Larry (Denise) Brennan
      believed that at that time, the people receiving that despatch thought
      LRH meant for his comment, “….and if you see WDC SMI, spit on him for
      me….”, Denise Brennan thought that that LRH comment meant literally to
      do what DM did do, which is spit and punch both John Aczel and Roger
      Barnes.”

      There’s a lot more on the web. Google ‘John Aczel larry brennan spit’.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Thanks. I keep thinking of that movie title “I spit on your grave”. If anyone ever deserved such a tribute, I think it is LRH.

    • Lurkness

      LRH used spit tech himself and more frequently via his messengers. Posted one sick illustration from Bare Faced Messiah below.

  • Jenstnick

    Ok, that scientology video was weird. It was like watching a church themed horror movie and you were just waiting for someone’s head to spin around or something.

  • KNMF

    This may have been mentioned, but a few days ago Diane Rehm asked Neil Gaiman what his parents did. He said is father bought and sold properties, and sold vitamins. And then Neil said that his mother was a pharmacist.
    Not a word about Scientology.

  • Sandy

    SNL, 1975. On NBC. OMG,

    • MaxSpaceman

      Richard Pryor, Host !!

      • Sandy

        OMG! Accidental finding! Amazing! Stumbled on this!!!!!

        • MaxSpaceman

          am *so* glad I saw your post ! :-))

          when it was on 39 years ago, I missed this one !

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  • Rant: O/T: actually very O/T. I’m studying Human physiology at this moment and wondering why do I need this in my life. For what purpose am I doing this except to pass the class? Seems like a waste of time. I’m not studying to be a doctor or pharmacist or a whatever….End Rant. Thx for listening

    • aegerprimo

      IMO, if you are studying ANYTHING remotely related to understanding how the human body “ticks” so to speak, you need to understand physiology.
      If you need a tutor to help you pass your class, email me – aegerprimo AT hushmail DOT com

      • This is the first class where I actually need to understand concepts I don’t want to. My other classes in language science is pretty straight forward, and I’ve gotten away with using flashcards for so long. I think I just need to hunker down and study actively which is different for me. I will def let you know if I need tutoring. Thx!

        • Liam

          You have a course in “language science” ?

          • Speech Language pathologists need that course : )

            • Liam

              You are doing a wonderful thing. Great, noble goal.

            • Thank you.:) I start my internship as an assistant in less than one month so I’m really looking forward to it. I may be looking at getting my masters in Behavioral Analysis instead. There is more of an interest and purpose.

            • Liam

              Awesome. You are in a great field! Congrats on your internship!

        • Billy Bob

          I know a computational linguist.

          • LongtimeLurker

            I’m a cunning linguist.

            STOP THAT!

            Sorry…

            • Liam

              Stop that:)

          • Liam

            I’m a lingual semiotician

        • LongtimeLurker

          Uselessly small offer of help…

          Should I take over the RedX reminders for the next few days? Would that help?

          • LTL if you can. I’ll still be lurking. The reminders are not the problem. It’s a motivational issue lolol. I’m a creative individual so turning on my analytical mind stunts my creative urgings which disturbs my equilibrium and I get moody. Thats all. I’m utilizing a different part of my brain that I really JUST DON”T WANT TO : )

            • Liam

              Do both.

            • What do you mean?

            • Liam

              I thought you were said you were balancing your creative and analytical minds, so I said “do both”

            • Oh. I gotcha. Yeah. No when I study I get really uninspired and really analytical so I don’t write. If I don’t write I get moody and introverted in a non-creative way if that makes sense. lolol.

            • Sorry didn’t mean to take up all the thread. carry on : )

            • LongtimeLurker

              Done.

        • aegerprimo

          Using flashcards is a great way to study! Check out Quizlet.com for flashcards you can submit yourself, or use the ones posted by others – to challenge your knowledge.

    • Billy Bob

      The excrescence of a liberal education.
      But I had to look up the spelling.

    • Liam

      Are you doing liberal art college? If so, it’s odd they would offer that class. But to ace it, re-write your notes. That’s what got me up to 4.0, copying my notes.

      • No not at all I’m in a different field but the science class (geology) I took does not fit the requirement so I have to take human physiology which is required in my field.

    • sookiesookie

      Yeah. You’re a human being, walking around with a human body, eating and processing food and expending energy and maintaining homeostasis while degrading cells and building new ones… How could human physiology possibly be relevant?

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      I have a BA and MA in Classical Archaeology. Concentrated in the Roman Eastern Mediterranean from 200BCE-200CE. Also focused on the development of near-eastern religious buildings and military fortifications. I use absolutely 0% of the technical stuff I learned, but probably 100%, at one point or another of how people think and act in relation to how they mentally got from point a to b back then in that time and place. A solid understanding of really anything is useful, I’ve found.

  • A Guest

    Alex Gibney tweeted a great musical link!

    For all you Catholics out there and all you wanna-bes or has-beens, a cool site: “Blues for Lent.” http://bluesforlent.tumblr.com/

    f5/refresh

  • scottmercer

    Oh, no, you can be ANY religion and be a Scientologist! Or no religion at all! By the way, here’s our psuedo priest in something like an Anglican outfit, wearing a Christian cross around his neck (except it isn’t a Christian cross, it’s a Christian cross with an “X” through it noting removal, and is based on a design from a deck of tarot cards designed by a Satanist), and here’s our white-robed choir like in almost every Catholic church. But Scientology isn’t a religion! Right this second! But tomorrow it will be! If it’s convenient for us!

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      I’ve been wondering what their response would be if you walked into a CO$ and asked them why they have a cross on the building since it is the recognized symbol of Christianity and CO$ has nothing to do with Christianity. Is there a canned reply that they have prepared?

      • madame duran

        They’ll probably explain how each point of the Scientology cross represents each of the eight dynamics. They don’t view it as a Christian cross to begin with (and truthfully, it isn’t).
        The funny thing about the Scientology claim that one can be a Scientologist and a follower of another religion is that it’s not a view shared by clergy/denominational heads outside of the cult. It’s like saying a device or software program is compatible with Windows and Macs but, in reality, it only works fine for one of them. Very misleading, to say the least.

        • TheQueenofBulgravia

          In the LIE of compatebility Jesus never existed.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Scientology
          Jesus as an implant
          “In the 2008 book Vintage Jesus: Timeless Answers to Timely Questions, authors Mark Driscoll and Gerry Breshears write: “According to Scientology, Jesus is an ‘implant’ forced upon a thetan about a million years ago”.[7] In A Piece of Blue Sky,
          Jon Atack writes “In confidential issues, Hubbard dismissed Christian
          teaching as an ‘implant.’ … In confidential materials Hubbard attacked
          Christianity as an ‘implant,’ and said that Christ was a fiction.”[8]

          Hubbard is quoted as stating that Christianity evolved from the “R6 Implant”: “The man on the cross. There was no Christ! The Roman Catholic Church, through watching the dramatizations of people picked up some little fragments of R6.”[9]”

    • aegerprimo

      Scientology is not benign. The things that normal human beings hold dear…. Scientology has ruined, i.e. family relationships, marriage, education, relating to fellow human beings. These are some examples.
      If you REALLY want to delve into and dive into a deep rabbit hole of Scientology, (F5)

  • Nat-lificent

    Um. So, no sure what to do here. I work too hard to deal with this bull.
    f5
    Edit: Opened disqus home page and Flunk/koki/whoever in full on freakout mode. Advices?

    • Eileen

      Tyler has a temper tantrum. That would be his 5th or 6th this week? Time for Lucille to construct his tinfoil hat. Hopefully the c word gets him hammered.

      • Nat-lificent

        Ok.

        • beauty for ashes

          I know you’re thick skinned and tough,(so you don’t actually need me to tell you this) but still you don’t deserve to be talked to that way. That’s totally not okay.

          • Nat-lificent

            I’m tough but I’m not . . . I’m . . . Can’t express myself right now.

            • beauty for ashes

              I felt violated when I read that. I hope the banhammer falls swiftly on this one. I really don’t like that he’s messing with a lot of people I care about. (((((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))
              Is your dog nearby? Blankets, cocoa?

            • Nat-lificent

              *whistles for Puppy Tyrion*

            • beauty for ashes

              Grammar jokes? My friend keeps posting them, but this one has some good ideas!

            • Nat-lificent

              “ZZZ–delete no one cares” and “Please paraphrase — obviously stolen from web” are good. Could’ve used those back in the day.

            • Nat-lificent

              I can’t flag this from the disqus page, so guess I have to wade through muck to hit the flag button. Blechh!

            • beauty for ashes

              I think if you can post a link to a certain conversation(s), and we can all help you flag it.

            • Nat-lificent

              I think one flag is all that’s needed. TY though.

            • Rita Gregory

              We’ve seen him before and Tony bans pretty quick when the cray, cray gets abusive!

            • A Guest

              I believe he’s been banned as of today. I saw it discussed in the comments. I hope that helps a little. To make sure, send the screen cap to Tony for confirmation.

            • LongtimeLurker

              From something he did on this thread, today? Or from a previous day?

              Not that I’m going to look and respond, just trying to build a complete picture.

            • Liam

              Yesterday, LtL

            • LongtimeLurker

              thx L

            • Andrew Helton

              Posting under an assumed name…..well I never…………………..

              KSW

              KSW

              KSW

              Have a great Saturday night all, be safe….and always remember

              Work the tech, the tech always works!!!!

            • Baby

              Bunker Soldier Down.. Solution.. Slam with cute kitty and puppy pictures..

            • Nat-lificent

              Squeee! To quote a wise woman — “GIMME DAT PUPPY!”

            • Baby

              Oh I remember that Wise Woman.. Isn’t that the cutest shit you’ve ever seen.. OMG..

              OK you can have the Puppy.. But then.. GIMME DAT PUPPY…

            • Nat-lificent

              The absolute cutest shit ever

            • Baby

              We are all strong here..we are and then comes along an Asshole who just takes it too far.. and it just gets to us..

              Until well we have no other choice but to have a Party.. We’ll send the DJ bill to him..

              [img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/za2.gif

            • unfollowed

    • aegerprimo

      OMG Nat! First of all…. Tyler called you the C word and dropped a couple of F-bombs (all in one sentence). This name calling is HARSH and you deserve an apology.

      Secondly… I know you have a thick skin. If I were personally in this situation, I would ignore it because responding would not be worth my while. I mean really, you are an avatar/moniker on the internet. If you got physically punched in the face, your Bunker family would do what is appropriate in such situations. (i.e., call 911, nurse your wounds, seek vengeance, etc.)

      • Nat-lificent

        Oh, I’m not going to respond. “Tyler” is a troll of the lowest caliber.

        • aegerprimo

          VERY SMART of you Nat, to make a screenshot of the troll and post it. Tyler cannot change or delete his/her comment to you now!

        • Baby

          Send the Fucker to Me.. We’ll have a NICE talk..

          EDIT: Of course you’ll ignore..We have work to do.

          • Nat-lificent

            He’s gone now but thanks Babespiando 😉

            • Baby

              Well.. Let’s Just Fucking Buck up BUCKEROO.. AND I AM GOING TO HAVE A BEER FOR YOU..to prove my friendship..

              [img]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/2gwb921.gif

            • Nat-lificent

              You sound like you feel a little better 🙂 No more sick?

            • Baby

              I’m faking it ..I feel like shit..Something going around here.. The last Fisherman left today .. and company next week.. So we have a 2 day break..

            • Qbird

              aww poor Baby – so sorry about the lousy weather too. This whole last week has been shit for fishing! Too much wind & cold.

            • Baby

              Q.. terrible.. and the guys started getting grouchy.. Too cold to go fishing..So a guy started with..” I’m bored ( He is 60 ) etc. too cold..wah, wah..

              I said..” You are a grown ass man..I am NOT going to entertain you!

              My hubby took HIM TO THE MALL on the way to the airport.. THE FUCKIN MALL.. My husband and I haven’t gone to a Mall since we moved to Florida..

            • Nat-lificent

              Damn, that’s bad

            • Baby

              I was so ready for him to go home..hahhaa..

              I have never been someone you had to entertain.. or I didn’t have to be doing something..seeing something..blah, blah..( Since teenage years)

              He came from a place 24 below 0 ..( chill factor) and granted it has been cooler 50-60.. BUT enjoy the company you are with..

              When he said he was bored today.. I lost it..( hahaha) my hubby was horrified.. I said..” I have never been bored in my life.. Boring people get bored. hahahhahaha

              I mean the man is 60! We live on an island.. too cold to fish..You figure it out!

            • Nat-lificent

              I once had a house guest that I almost murdered with a skillet because I made breakfast for everyone (8 people): Eggs, sausage, potatoes, tortillas etc. and he slept through it. His buddies ate his food. He gets up an hour later as I’m washing up and asks for food. I hand him the Cheerios and he accuses me of being a bad hostess. I WAS trying to kill him. My roommate and other guests grabbed me as I lunged at him and saved his life.

            • Baby

              Oh I so can relate.. All the guys just plopped on couch and watched sports.. Pizza ..salsa..dip.. hoagies ..

              He’s like..” I didn’t come to Florida to watch TV.. ” He was a real pain in the ass and I told my hubby that he’s NOT staying here again..haha .. but everyone else is welcome.

              So I guess he came to Florida to GO TO THE MALL? Puhlllllllease.. My hubby is a Saint to go with him.. ( or a sucker) but I kept my mouth shut.

            • Nat-lificent

              XD

            • seriouslyWTF

              If it ever happens again just look at him puzzled and say “I’m sorry, I can see your lips moving and I can hear your voice, but I don’t understand what your saying because I don’t speak Little Bitch”.

            • Baby

              Hahahha.. I’ll remember that.. Honestly.. He said he was bored at least 10x .. That is so Rude to me..

            • seriouslyWTF

              That line is from the show Supernatural. I have been dying to use it, but have not had a chance. Kinda bad that I want someone to say something to me that would warrant that response, but it is just such an awesome line. I totally agree with you about the rudeness. My hubby has a hunting buddy like that. My hubby is the nicest most patient man in the world, but after their last trip.. last month.. he said he is done with him. I was sooooo happy to hear that..

            • Baby

              OMG..I have been cleaning all day and just got on..

              WTF.. It is hilarious.. Tomorrow 3 guests are coming..Just changed sheets..did laundry..etc.. I am exhausted..

              Yur hubby does have a friend like that too? UGH.. I think my hubby has rethought some things about this friend.. I know I’m done with him.. Good God..

              When my Grandkids visit I expect them to say it.. once in awhile.. ( but they don’t..I keep them busy..) but a grown ass man?

              I just never get bored.. He said, ” I could never live on this island in a million years I would die of boredom..and now I wish I would have said.. ” Well why not you’re killing me!”

            • ObsessedReader

              Holy crap, and I thought we had a lot of company! I guess that’s the price we pay for living in such a beautiful and warm area. I’ve had 2 houseguests in the last two weeks, 2 coming next week, and more coming 2 weeks after that. I did have an unusually long break from company last year and realized I may have made too many “jokes” about bolting the doors, rolling down the hurricane shutters and changing my phone number! (oops) The folks that may have taken it personally did seem to recover quickly when their winter weather rolled in. I love my company but need recovery time in between, those overlaps are killers!

            • Baby

              Obsessed.. OMG.. I just said to my hubby.. Yes..Company is great, but damn.. spread it out.. It is always during ” The Season..”

              Just had 4 leave.. and now 3 new ones here.. I’m pooped.. Thank God that you can relate! Hahahha you are hilarious .. Yes.. Recovery time.. Spread it out People!

            • LongtimeLurker

              I hate that guy. What The actual F?

            • Nat-lificent

              He was a comedy writer in his early 20’s. Now he does stand-up. We actually get along pretty okay now XD — but yeah I was aiming for his head. Thank Xenu his friends were strong.

            • Qbird

              yep. My fisherman guy paces & watches the weather channel & 2 or 3 apps on his tablet. Him, giant sighs, “Geez what do ya do if ya don’t work?” On the 4th day he was ‘blown in’ and whining – I left for points south, visiting friends in Keys.

              And by Xenu, it’s gd cold down here too! Wind howling, no boats going out. A Dozen big shrimp boats anchored up in the lea of Key West… no one workin’.

              This too shall pass.

            • Baby

              My hubby alone is good when weather is cool..windy etc.. but when his friends come to fish and they can’t he feels he has to entertain them.. So thus the Mall.. ( Ugh)

            • Rita Gregory

              Argh, good lord the mall!

            • Baby

              THE MALL! I have no idea where the mall is.. didn’t want to know..didn’t ask..ugh..Mr. Baby was in such a bad mood when he got home..hahahhahaha

            • Nat-lificent
            • Baby

              awwwwwwwwwwwww… Nat.. Love..

            • Nat-lificent

              Also, I made you a bowl of chicken soup but this puppy ate it! http://cdn.teen.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/cute-dog-puppy-adorable-cant-get-up.gif

            • Baby

              hahahahahah.. what a Puff Ball..awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

            • LongtimeLurker

              I sent exactly that gif to a friend less than 48 hours ago!

            • Nat-lificent

              It’s so cute — almost as good as the Japanese one of the French Bulldog that can’t roll back over 🙂
              Edit: removed because it was making me nauseous

            • LongtimeLurker

              STOP IT! Lurker want dog friend again, but can’t have one…

            • Baby

              hahahaha

            • Robert Eckert

              You must be OT!

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’ll add that to my list of wins!

            • Qbird

              Listen to me Nat: this guy has been coming to the Bunker for as long as I have – endless new names… he always comes back, always. You will learn to recognize the dark brown smell. You read what I’m telling you?

            • Nat-lificent

              It’s pretty awful how he comments in old threads — like a dude who waits till you get separated from your friends — creepy. He did it to noseinabook yesterday.

            • Qbird

              Yeah, lousy cowardly bully… ultimately however —>
              He cannot hurt you Nat-lificent.
              He has nothing to offer.

            • Nat-lificent

              True. I wouldn’t have mentioned it, but it did make me wonder if I was doing something . . . wrong. But I’m over that feeling now.

            • Qbird

              nope – you’re all good. You have much to offer dear friend. Hang tough bc you are tough. You know something Nat? When you made that pithy statement about how the worst thing in the world is having a sociopath (in any relation) dominate your life – well… I felt like replying, “My daughter speaks.” I know, I know… you’re not my daughter, but if I could choose one – it would be you.

            • Nat-lificent

              Awww, Qbird :’)

            • Liam

              You are awesome, Nat. Don’t hesitate or second guess yourself.

            • Eclipse-girl

              You do not have to accept the power of those hurting words.
              It was his attempt to hurt you.

              Don’t give him the power to do that to you

            • Nat-lificent

              Not hurt, just surprised. Everything is fine.

            • Qbird

              i know that.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I understand the surprise.

              Flipped right to the angry and abusive.

            • Baby

              FINE =

              F… Fucked up
              I… Insecure
              N.. Neurotic
              E.. Emotional.

              Yes I am FINE TOO..

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              But you’re the one that makes all of those things endearing 🙂

            • Baby

              Hahahha.. I always tell people if you want to be my friend… You gotta Take Me Warts and All Hingle..

              Don’t show up just when life is Rosey.. Show up also when I’m being less than stellar ..xo

            • beauty for ashes

              Yes we’re all FINE here 🙂 I keep forgetting to ask you about how your new flooring is?

            • Baby

              The floors are beautiful..what I can see under the mess beauty..I’m too There’s crap all over the place.. When I get organized I will post a picture.. We haven’t put the furniture back and it’s in the LR..

              We;ll get there.. We’re on Island Time so right now I don’t give a sit..hahaha.. It will done when cmpany comes on ..( I think Wed..?) I’m tired of company..TIRED..

              but they are Mr. Baby’s step son and his wife and daughter that I’ve never met.. So can’t be a bitch about it.

            • stillgrace2

              Nat, I’m sorry that happened. He posts in old threads because he is a coward, once his identity is discovered. I have had the misfortune of seeing him around for years. I have witnessed him post under at least 8 aliases.

              I knew he was about to blow (his craziness is cyclic), but I expected him to go after me again. Too bad he didn’t … I was so prepared for it!! I hate to say it, but he’ll probably try to sneak in here again. He is a deeply disturbed and unpleasant fellow.

            • TheMirrorThetan

              That’s because us womens is scary and like all chicken shits he wont attack until he thinks he has all the advantage. seriously he is afraid of and threatened by women who have bigger balls than he does which is all of them.

            • Robert Eckert

              He’s been coming around since before there was a Bunker, to the old Village Voice blog. Captain Howdy recognizes his smell quickly when he returns.

            • stillgrace2

              Norman is so predictable is his assholery.

            • Rita Gregory

              If it’s who I think it is, he’s been at this a long time. It’s not you, it’s him. Exact same shit he pulls every time.

          • Liam

            He’s gone, Baby

            • Baby

              Thanks Liam..I just woke up.. yawnnnnn.. No one messes with any of us..We can make a point ..and then IGNORE.. THEY HATE IT..

          • Nat-lificent

            Of course and we do. Now where’s that shoop brush?

    • Eclipse-girl

      This guy has come back several times, and sounds like a whiney brat each time.
      This is when Ignoretech comes in handy.

      You tried
      Some people aren’t ready to hear the message.

      • Dale A.

        Thank you Eclipse. I’m putting “ignoretech” into my vocabulary.

      • Andrew Helton

        Work the tech, and the tech works.

        That being said, I think you are squirreling the tech.

        LRH never approved ignore tech, it never made it out of the LRH beta program.

        KSW sister….. KSW

        • Andrew Helton

          Ohhh and I love you and all but Im writing a knowledge report on you for being a squirrel…..

          KSW

        • Hingle McCringleberry

          If you were going to come back, you should get a new act. It was entertaining for a minute, but it’s stale now. You can do better than recycling being a hardcore clam and throwing in some jargon. Or, if that’s all you’ve got on the comedy front, perhaps you could contribute to some actual discussions in between dead horse floggings.

          • LongtimeLurker

            “You can do better than recycling being a hardcore clam and throwing in some jargon.”

            Possible you are 100% wrong on that, I’m sorry to say.

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              That he can do better?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah.

              I think you’re crediting him with a level of wit that he doesn’t have.

              Which is kind of you.

              But I’m pretty sure he’s posting right on the bleeding edge of his intellect, and we’ve seen the very best he has to offer.

              Sigh.

            • Hingle McCringleberry

              Eh, you could be right, but I suspect either a youngster/someone hitting the bottle/ someone who thinks its entirely about the lulz here. The first day he showed up, he got flamed for using some (mildly put) uncivilized language, which I recognized as a direct DM quote from an older Mike/Marty video on youtube, and defended him on it. He’s at least done some fairly heavy homework. There’s certainly a disconnect going on between him and our community here, but intuition tells me that, while he could be simply a jackass, he might also be someone who’s been hurt by these bastards, or someone trying to get out or something along those lines. As long as he’s making bad jokes and not hurling invective at our friends, I’d rather leave the door open.

      • Sejanus

        Or in his case incapable of basic human courtesy.
        I cannot imagine knowing someone like that and not smackin’ them daily in the mouth.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Whoa! Not okay. As someone who uses the C-bomb in conversation – you NEVER do it with someone you don’t know is okay with it. And you never do it in writing if others can read it.

      Also, going back through Ye Olde Posts? Get a hobby Tyler.

      Also, also, your statement about Tyler’s bullshit dismissiveness of the
      depression advice is spot on. I was actually typing up a carefully
      worded long-ish response based on my own experiences with it and by the
      time I was done, he’d been answered 1/2 a dozen times and dismissed or
      sidestepped all the advice.

      So I just saved it as a text file for some future, less ass-hat person.

      Finally – you don’t deserve that.

      You have to know it’s not about you. Anything/anyone could have set this
      mook off. That doesn’t make it easier, but you are NOT the problem
      here.

      Dear Tyler, I have bought you a subscription to a magazine I think you might enjoy;
      F5

      • Nat-lificent

        “you are NOT the problem here”

        This is what I needed to hear. TY.

        • Ella Raitch

          Looks like Flunk – his MO is to run hot and cold and abuse women.

          • TheMirrorThetan

            Yeah I vote for Flunk too. Its his classic MO to be threatened by and nasty to women and he is too stupid to change.
            The little shit-stain wont pick a fight with me though, and it kinda hurts my feelings.

    • Tony Ortega

      He’s gone.

      • LongtimeLurker

        F5

      • aegerprimo

        YAY!

      • Nat-lificent

        Ok. Thanks.

        • Dale A.

          I read it through to the end. The guy’s probably a Clear. They don’t have anything between the ears.

      • Liam

        Ban hammer is swift

      • Science Doc

        If anybody asked me I’d recommend Broken Windows Policing for the next few weeks around here to keep the really bad guys from following the usual vandals.

    • Rasha

      Nat, I totally up voted by accident (iPad, of course). Wow. Just wow. I’m gonna finish my book, now. “Why Stupid Ignorant Idiot Trolls Happen To Awesome People”

      • Nat-lificent

        Lol

        • Sejanus

          Never a dull moment in here is there.

      • Smokey Wallisa

        If you upvote or downvote by accident simply hit the same button again and the vote will go away.

        • Rasha

          Very good to know, thanks, Smokey!

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      Typically, when one of these people pisses me off, I go to rtc.org and file an online KR. Tell them that you’re an upstat and long serving online operator, and they’ll need to contact OSA INT for your identity. Then call out the troll, tell them that a non-Ideal Org D/DSA put you into a com cycle with this terminal and that they immediately goofed the floof, going out-TRs and out-ruds in the face of suppression, failed to confront and shatter, and you highly suspect heavy overts, or major M/U’s at minimum. Get indignant and demand a response before that out-ethics CICS pulls in another flap!

    • TheMirrorThetan

      You get 100 bunker points for really enturbulating that one Nat.
      when you reach one billion points you receive a free bunker mouse pad or burlwood pen, your choice.

      • Nat-lificent

        Oooh, a pen for sure!

        • TheMirrorThetan

          The good news is that your bunker points carry on from this lifetime to the next, unlike your Scientology levels, so when you come back you can keep working towards the pen.

          • Nat-lificent

            Excellent.

    • Robert Eckert

      Norman’s pattern in all his ID’s (Flunk, ZIontologist, etc.) has included misogyny. He gets abusive to a lot of people, but then finds a woman or two to latch onto for sustained abuse. He was the first person Tony ever used the ban-hammer on, and he has had to apply it to this same person repeatedly.

      • stillgrace2

        He was at the end of one of his famous psychotic cycles. I thought when he blew, he would go after me again. I was SO ready to take him on! I’m sorry he picked Nat.
        The hateful, misogynistic psycho!

      • Nat-lificent

        I won’t be his new “woman”

  • Liam

    My water main froze and exploded tonight, have provisions, need to get the 24 hour plumbers

    • Science Doc

      Weather is tricky in a lot of places tonight.

      • Liam

        As a new home owner, this is my first disaster! I hope the plumbers don’t take me

        • Science Doc

          Hold fast. You’ll own a lot of homes in your life. Seeing water coming out of the wrong places in always bad. Home ownership is the primary means of wealth accumulation for a lot of Americans.

          • Liam

            Biting my nails, but thanks SD

            • Eclipse-girl

              Find the main water values, turn it off.

              You may have secondary shut offs.

              We had brutal cold weather recently.
              It messes with you

            • Liam

              I had the city guy turn off the main valve a few hours ago, I guess my taxes are good for something!

            • Science Doc

              Way back in the day when I was poor and lived in a trailer in a cold place and couldn’t afford heating oil, when a bad winter storm hit I had to put antifreeze down the drains, purge some of the lines, and hunker down in one room with the parka and electric blanket.

            • Liam

              Amazing stuff, SD… did you take pics back then?

            • Science Doc

              No, that was a million years ago, and I had no insurance of any kind.

        • MadMaxi

          Best thing to learn is how to repair,short and long term, pipes that might leak inside the house. Really easy to fix and replace copper pipes and PVC pipes, just need a few inexpensive supplies to keep on hand and some spare pipe lengths. If a plumber friend is ever around ask them to teach you. Has saved me hundreds of dollars between my house and my Mom’s.

          Water main outside though, shame the city/county can’t cover costs of repairs. Shop n Vac is your friend.

      • Rasha

        Just got home from a Chinese New Year Gala, and it was touch-and-go on the turnpike, not to mention back roads… …and that’s just the WEATHER effects… (kidding, I’m good)

    • Baby

      Shit Liam..I remember those days.. Sorry.. ; /

      • Liam

        No big deal, except for the shower. I might book a hotel

        • Keep ALL your receipts!

          • Liam

            Why? does the home insurance reimburse you for that?

            • Science Doc

              Maybe. Depends on policy.

            • Liam

              If that’s the case, you just made my night. Thanks again SD you are the best

            • Depends on your policy and what your deductible is! That’s why I say keep them (hotel receipts, dinner receipts etc)and submit them.

            • Liam

              Cool, thx, SPW!

            • seriouslyWTF

              My insurance actually paid expenses for my renters after part of the roof tore off and rain leaked into one of my rental houses.. Hotel and meals..

    • Andrew Helton

      If you where at cause over the water…..

      Work the tech, the tech works…

    • Science Doc

      Remember that you’ve got one flush in each toilet.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Water inside my house is my nightmare. And it keeps happening to me.

      My thoughts are with you.

      • Liam

        I bought tons of drinking water… any other recommendations?

        • LongtimeLurker

          Oh god…

          If you have the spare funds it may be one of the few times where short-term expensive solutions are NOT a bad way to go.

          Because if you leave it, the long-term costs can rack up like an SOB.

          Is your stuff getting wet? Like possessions other than the structure?

          • Lurkness

            LTL, do you remember the disqus screen name of the poster of this comment tonight? Something very weird is going on

            “Guest • an hour ago

            Fyi…unfollowed/neurotransmitter same person…troll. Likes to start arguements for whatever reason. Neurotrasnmitter came in the other day doing the same thing, I would use ignore tech so we don’t waste space. carry on..: ) “

            • LongtimeLurker

              OSA BOT

            • Lurkness

              Thanks, Jimmy3, who is normally a great guy, clearly was posting as unfollowed. He slipped up once and posted under J3 (you’re a liar post back at you) and then complimented his own post and went to Guest for the J3. Wondering if he is socking as neurotransmitter too. Sad.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Right, That’s what I thought. And I agree Jimmy3 seemed like a good guy, so wtf?

              But where do you think OSABOT comes into it?

              It’s all SO HIGHSCHOOL!

            • Lurkness

              Yes. Thinking he may be using that too to stir things up, like he was doing with you as J3 and unfollowed. We had a really bad experience here with this before.

            • LongtimeLurker

              He’s back, on today’s post.

            • Lurkness

              where the conversation was before or new?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Nah, just an irrelevant Oscars “joke” at the top.

              No biggie.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Should we …. all this?

            • Lurkness

              Sorry for the delay. Had to run out.
              I go back and forth. I really didn’t like how he was stirring the pot as unfollowed with you and we now know for certain unfollowed and J3 are the same. If he is also OSA BOT and Neurotransmitter that is worse. Unfortunately, the post and delete name and run is really consistent with these account names over time. The multiple personalities is one thing, but it is also a trust issue, for me. Fortunately, I screen captured this instance (but not OSA Bot). There were also a fair number of people who saw this happen. I know unfollowed and neurotransmitter have been previously been attributed to other trolls. You had the shoot and run experience tonight, what do you think?
              If you want to can also discuss by email. Let me know if you use it, as I don’t monitor it regularly. lurkness1@gmail.com

            • LongtimeLurker

              No need to apologise.

              I’ve got a screen cap of OSA Bot if you want it.

              Yeah, the breach of trust is the clincher.

            • Lurkness

              yes, send it to my email please.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Emailing now.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Sorry gimme 10 minutes.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Check your email one more time.

            • Lurkness

              Did you get the others too?

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m dot dot dotting all my comments, just fyi.

            • Lurkness

              An advantage of just bringing it up, is forewarned is forearmed. The Bunerkites are also good as any place I know in crowd sourcing and running these things to ground.

            • Lurkness

              Also, I am dotting out the conversations when we are done as I did above. Thanks.

            • LongtimeLurker

            • Lurkness

              Don’t want to accuse until we figure it out. Looking back at neuro now, who can be pretty nasty.

            • Lurkness

              Also writing it up for Tony. Up to you if you want to bring it up for general discussion.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Do you think it’s something the community should know?

            • Lurkness

              Probably. Would hate to think he is behind some of the nastier socks. The instability though, that we have seen with some other bad posters (and OSA shits) makes me think anything is possible. Suppose it would get flushed out faster that way.
              Maybe it can approached as this odd thing happened…..

            • LongtimeLurker

              Alright, I might bring it up Monday morning US time. Will you be around then?

            • Lurkness

              Yeah, should be around in morning LA/pacific time.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Cool. Cause it’s almost certain that I’ll screw up the explanation.

              ; )

        • Science Doc

          Pets? Plants?

          • Liam

            i don’t have pets, SD. Thanks, though!

        • I would say take pictures of your belongings and file a claim asap. Let them know you need emergency services.

          • LongtimeLurker

            SPW is all over this!

          • And start moving stuff to prevent any further damage -like the pull the carpet back if you could. I’m trying to think. IMO I would call your insurance carrier first and ask what you should do. Depending on severity of the dmg it may or may not affect insurance rates.

    • unfollowed

  • Sejanus

    Cripes looks like I missed the dinner and floor show.
    So Tantrum Tyler back at it again huh?

    • cdub

      and gone too

      • Sejanus

        Good, no loss.
        I tried talking some sense to him yesterday but he was gone gone gone in the brain pan almost from the get go.
        He seemed to get his jollies swearing at females and generally just being an unwanted underwear stain.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Yeah, some definite misogyny at work there. Possible PUA/MRM action.

          • Sejanus

            Yeah the angry douchiness was strong with that one.
            Much anger towards women…and I do not usually say that.
            Almost felt like what Miscavige must be like.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Miscavgyny.

              Drops mic, walks off stage…

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  • RMycroft

    I finally fired up Flash and watched the religious angle video.

    In Scientology, deception is a rite.

    • Good point. I seemed to remember that in the Unification Church it was (is?) called “heavenly deception”.

      • RMycroft

        While I was watching it, I was thinking that none of it matches with what I know about Scientology: Church choirs, sermons (protip: in real sermons ministers rarely have to keep glancing at the text, unless it’s an affectation), fake prayers and slapped-on double-crosses. It’s like finding a leaf-green puzzle piece when the puzzle is a 5000 shades of grey lunar landscape—it doesn’t fit.

        The usual defence is that Scientology is a new religion and outsiders don’t know anything—Except that it’s really not that new (slightly younger than many fundy movements, older than many new age religions), and outsiders know quite a bit these days, and discounting ex-members is getting really stale.

        The only constant in these attempts to prove their religiousity is that it’s okay to slap something together with intent to deceive non-Scientologists. And yet somehow this passes with the members, without a second thought.

        In Scientology, deception is a rite.

        The elrony is that meanwhile they conceal aspects that might seem religious to outsiders: Ron icons on every wall, a Ron shrine in every org, and Ron prayers of Hip-hip-hooray!

        • Mark Foster

          The ¨elrony¨ -nice 🙂

  • Billy Bob

    So I was thinking about Zarkov and how the 47 ronin flown to Tellus were chosen. Was there a lottery or a tournament? Wasn’t Voldamort supposed to be a baddie so he just picked on his enemies? But he’s supposed to be real smart so maybe he tagged the biggest jerks he could find. Darth whatever’s most powerful enemies would be as bad and ruthless as he (she?) was (not much room for good guys in high stakes power politics). In any case, enemies or jerks; when they remembered all this stuff the iotians would be really grumpy and hard to live with. This would explain a lot. Pure speculation of course. If this is out of line just down vote it and I’ll erase.

    • Billy Bob

      So while I’m dreaming, Liam posts his real emergency. 🙁

      • LongtimeLurker

        Yeah, but props for the Space: Above and Beyond and Star Trek references.

        • Billy Bob

          It could have been better, yes.

          • LongtimeLurker

            No, no, I wasn’t judging at all.

        • Hingle McCringleberry

          plus shitty Keanu Reeves, Flash Gordon, roman mythology, and Harry Potter.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Ahh, Flash. One day I will finish my Klytus Halloween costume.

    • beauty for ashes

      I don’t think downvotes work on this site. I don’t think its out of line, but probably because I don’t get the references. 🙂

  • beauty for ashes

    Red Pandas.
    soooper powerz of cuteness.
    havingness of fun.
    beingness in the snow.
    cause over life!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6GaPkkGZGw

    • These are some cute Japanese cats. Well fed too.

    • Smokey Wallisa

      Maybe this is common knowledge but I was surprised to learn that Kung Fu Panda’s Shifu was a red panda. I thought he was type of fox.

      • beauty for ashes

        I didn’t know that, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched that too.

  • stillgrace2

    Ooh, the air is so fresh and clean in here! Sorry I missed the clean-up! Did anything get broken?

  • Skallene

    I was just surfing for needlecraft catalogs, and came across a magazine called, “RON HUBBARD SERIES PHOTOGRAPHER WRITING WITH H-LIGHT-H-C-NEW”
    We all know he was an expert at everything.

    • Baby

      OMG..ugh

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  • Captain Howdy

    Git your funnies early
    ….

    • Lurkness

      Do you got time to answer a question/advice on troll issue? As the resident expert.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Radio interview with TJ, an ex-Sea Org member who was raised in CO$. Talks about his schooling and experiences with RPF.
    http://youtu.be/lVAoImTG0tc

    • Thank you, Walrus. Great podcast.

      I knew Eduardo Palomo was a Scientologist, but I didn’t know he died of a heart attack in 2003.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduardo_Palomo

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I wonder if TJ would of had a case legally, against the CO$ for losing his eye? Unsafe working conditions, etc. Poor guy

        ETA: I’d never heard of him but a heart attack at 41. That’s brutal.

        • Looks like he almost went Clear – service completions:
          http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/e/eduardo-palomo.html

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            It says he was on Arrested Development but I don’t remember him on there. It must have been a small, one-off appearance.

            • Most likely.

              Carina Ricco (from the picture above) was his wife/widow now.
              http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0723317/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

              It looks like they both got a “Freedom Medal”. I wonder what she is up to these days.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Probably still in the CO$? He just dropped dead during dinner in a restaurant. Rough one. I do remember that episode of AR but not him in it. There was a Mexican award show and it looks like he was a presenter. A couple of lines. Maybe I should ask “Lucille Austero”!.

  • Jack99

    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/going_clear_scientology_and_the_prison_of_belief_2015/?search=going cl
    Going Clear currently got 100% at Rotten Tomatoes. For some reason, they didn’t include the review from Freedom. The film reviewer there thought the film lacked credibility, and also said the actors were not very convincing. The script apparently was a lot of cliché ridden crap. Actually, the reviewer felt sympathy for the bad guy in the film. Also, there were just… too many ants.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      If Rotten Tomatoes were going to start posting the Freedom “reviews’ of Going Clear, they’d first have to hand out haz-mat suits to their readers ’cause that crap is toxic.

    • Smokey Wallisa

      Well, you’re braver than me. No way I’d visit Freedom without several layers of Latex and a ‘couple’ drinks.

      • Jack99

        The magazine gave Boyhood a bad review as well. The reviewer said the boy should have discovered dianetics instead of photography. And then the film should have ended with him joining Sea Org.

    • But did you check Theta Tomatoes? Didn’t think so.

      • Jack99

        It got 0% at Entheta Tomatoes.

  • EnthralledObserver

    Where in Xenu are the millions of Scientology Volunteer Disaster Ministers for Yeppoon? I could do with a touch assist. And when they come would they mind bringing along some bags of ice… we still have no power!!!???

    • Smokey Wallisa

      Maybe I have a somewhat dirty mind but I simply can’t read “touch assist” without mentally going to “happy ending”. Please, let me not be the only one.

      And wanting bags of ice doesn’t really help with the connotation.

      Seriously, I hope you’re OK.

    • Juicer77

      I’m glad you and yours are ok – if not in the best of circumstances!

    • AintMizBahavin

      glad to know you and your family are ok !!! i saw the pictures you posted of the houses keep your head up and faith in you very strong always

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I’m still catching up on this weeks CO$ developments, so this has probably been discussed already. But TIME has an article commemorating their Feb.18,1954 formation.

    “He tells how he has discovered and isolated “Life Energy in such a form as to revive the dead or dying . . . [gained] the ability to make one’s body old or young at will, the ability to heal the ill without physical contact, the ability to cure the insane and incapacitated.” HA! http://time.com/3707645/scientology-1952/

    • it’s nice to see Time covering scientology more and more these days.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Due to their past history with the CO$, I picture them with their foot on the pedal and taking it all in, just cruising along at a nice even speed. But at any minute they are prepared to just floor it. Leaving CO$ skid marks.

        OK, I’m probably just projecting here… HeeHee

        • Mark Foster

          Let´s combine our SP powers and project some more, Fantastic Intergalactic; I LIKE this picture! Yes, let us continue with our ¨mock-up¨. 🙂

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            Right now I’m using all of my cosmic powers to try and conjure up an image of the possible roadkill toupee that John Travolta might be sporting tonight at the Oscars. It’s harder than I thought because there’s just too many choices – raccoon, possum, skunk, groundhog… Hell, I think he’s worn them all! Well, everything but squirrel, I guess. 🙂

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      And there is a news story that explains what is going on there. I think there is a link to it on WWP.

      • Original WWP poster also posted it on ESMB, see my link above the vid.

    • LongtimeLurker

      In Russia even articulate, peaceful protester is kind of scary.

  • what’suppressive

    G’day Bunkeroonies, I stopped by last night early for some j&d but couldn’t stay long. I just checked the first couple of hundred comments but the answers weren’t therein. So can anyone give me the skinny on the mystery men and women Tony was trying to identify? Did we manage to put names to faces?

    • Intergalactic Walrus
      • what’suppressive

        Thank you Walrus.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          I should probably have warned you about the “Spit Tech”. Prepare to gag!

  • Awh @ the religiousness of that film clip!

  • scientology wallet extraction tech in action

    http://i.imgur.com/SKUybvn.gifv

    • LongtimeLurker

      That is disturbing.

      Sauce?

        • LongtimeLurker

          Thanks.

          Holy cow.

          Man, I gotta make sure I never accidentally end up anywhere near anything like that.

          Props to the kid in the striped top just chillin’ at the back, one hand in his pocket, the other on that old guy’s shoulder.

        • Sandy

          Looks like having an emotional orgasm

    • Juicer77

      LOL’ing so hard at the guy in the black suit in the back, showin’ off his gymnastic skillz!

      • RMycroft

        He’s going to need some faith healing when he comes out of trance.

    • AintMizBahavin

      i sure the guy in the black suit didnt hurt himself to bad trying to do a back flip off the floor!!!! rofl

  • Mark Foster

    Topic-related: See Rinder´s blog from yesterday and scroll down to Gayle´s comment(Feb. 21 at 9.28 pm) for a real take on Slimeotology´s ¨religious¨ nature. Utterly heart-breaking!!

    • Direct link to comment http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-plays-the-religious-persecution-card/#comment-78518

      ETA: DAMN! I just finished reading that. Gayle is a TRUE humanitarian!

      • Mark Foster

        Indeed. THESE are the kinds of stories that need to be ¨disseminated¨
        far and wide.

        • They truly do! And I know we’ve heard of countless off loadings before, but they are just heartwrenching to read every time.

    • giggler

      Gee wiz, what a testimony!!!

      Just gets worse

    • LongtimeLurker

      “Mike Rinder says “Holy shit Gayle.””

      I think some of the people Gayle talks about would be uncaring narcissists, carelessly mistreating the weak even without the supporting framework of Scientology.

      But that’s actually an indictment in itself – without even meaning to, Scientology attracts and enables toxic sociopaths.

      Thanks for the link Mark.

      • FollowTheMoney

        Caught a convo you were having with TT in a recent thread about a once a year business trip and a catch up. I also am close by and wouldn’t mind an IRL catch up with similar minded folk. Do not want any private information sharing in public spaces, however. You might have noticed me on the THR thread. Understand that coming out of the blue like this you might think me weird and want to ignore. Cheers in any case.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Hi! Sure.

          Can’t be too careful (sigh).

          Any thoughts on how we should get in touch?

          • FollowTheMoney

            Did you and TT have a way to sort it?

            • LongtimeLurker

              Not yet.

              I think we’re both assuming that neither of us are OSA, so it will probably be the old “Person A posts their email as a response to a really old comment by Person B, then deletes it soon after” trick.

              I was waiting for TT to get back to me.

              I’ve done that with a couple of people in the past.

              But I’m no expert…

            • FollowTheMoney

              I’ve never contacted anyone before so never had to figure things out. I had considered sending Tony an email so he could send information along.

  • OhioWaterBear

    Hello folks! This is my first-ever post after regularly skulking around the fringes of the Bunker for the last year or so. I am a never-in who has been following Scientology antics with narrowed eyes ever since they first bullied their way into tax-exempt status. Obviously in the last 7 years or so there has been a lot going on, and I have been watching it all with popcorn-cramming fascination. I am not much of an “online poster” so my apologies in advance if I don’t make regular appearances here. But I wanted to pop in today to say 2 things and add my voice to yours.

    First off: Chris, your videos are consistently badass. One of the few YouTube comments I have ever posted was actually in response to one of your videos. They are always well-thought out, informative, and well-produced. I agree with a lot of the folks here that the “unscripted” method you employ for the Q&A is particularly effective and illustrates even more clearly what an intelligent, articulate guy you are. I imagine these new videos could definitely help and inform a lot of people. Please keep up the excellent work!!

    Second: I really just wanted to give a shout-out to the great community of people here. Like I said, I’ve tended to avoid “blogs and postings and internet whatnot” partially due to the ridiculous, pushy, insulting douchebags that can be found found on even the most innocuous aquarium hobbyist forums. It was only my strong interest in the subject that brought me to the Bunker in the first place. But I have to say that after a year+ of regularly reading people’s posts, I am ALWAYS genuinely impressed by the level of intelligence, kindness and support that I see represented here. It’s ironic that everyone who posts here is likely seen as “suppressive” or “anti-social” or “evil” by the Co$, when you are clearly such smart, thoughtful people who truly care about helping other people and bettering the world. You guys are awesome and if given the chance I’d buy anyone here the beverage of their choice. 🙂

    SPEAKING of rambling…. That’s it for me. Just know that there are plenty of people who support and admire all of your efforts, even if they aren’t always vocal about it!

    • Observer

      Welcome!

    • Sandy

      I am not much of a contributor myself, but jump in when the mood strikes. I, too, lurk daily. Since I’m retired, it’s a luxury I truly enjoy.

    • AintMizBahavin

      from one never in to another i will totally and unconditionally agree that in the bunker i have met the most amazing and strongest group of people i could ever hope to know. i dont post much either and was a lurker for a up number of years before slowly beginning to post once in a while but when cos tried to get their claws into my god daughter i came straight here for help. and i received it with no reservations what so ever.
      wishing i could meet them all in person but am hoping beyond hope that Tony manages to find a place in nyc for the going clear premiere on HBO i’ll be right there

    • grundoon

      Welcome, WaterBear!

  • Ozzie

    Just saw this video. The blonde girl is Eva – cant remember her last name – she’s Swedish. The minister was a scotman by the name of Ian something or other. Sorry can’t remember their last names, My mother is one of the people in the choir. Might remember more when I think about it a bit

  • Lone Star

    Dedicated to religion….

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cXrEPNvRO8

    Goes better with LSD…BTW.

  • justin moore

    I am coming for you……….

  • FOTF2012

    Chris Shelton, you are awesome. Thank you, man.

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    whut ?

  • Sumei FitzGerald

    What I don’t get is how no one else comments upon or seems to get…is that LRH builds up all of this evil warlord stuff, and then basically says…I am the warlord and you are my minions…good and evil are reversed…I am Satan and Christ and your savior but now you know why you must do evil in my name because it is really good. No one addresses the religion he has included in the basis of Scientology and how insidious and frightening it is, how he started with a sales funnel but really ended with a psychotic world domination scheme, how much he believed in this, had to really, so that he had to switch good and evil around in his own mind and fool himself. Because no one wants to credit it as a religion. LRH had to do all of this mental and moral and linguistic, acrobatic nonsense himself to do what he did. And trapped us all into doing the same.

  • Thanks for all your help here identifying the people in the video. With the help of some of the old-timers at Ex-Scientology Message Board and one or two direct messages from well-connected members, I’ve been able to fill in most of the blanks over at Infinite Complacency: but if you have any other thoughts, be sure and get in touch.