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VIDEO LEAK: Another segment from Marty Rathbun’s deposition — his ‘Liability Formula’

Marty_Rathbun_depo2Our source has made available another portion of Mark “Marty” Rathbun’s December 22 deposition; the first portion we published on Sunday.

As we pointed out then, this is the first time that Rathbun has been deposed since he emerged as a critic of his former employer, the Church of Scientology, in 2009. He had left the organization five years earlier after a career as one of its highest-ranking executives. But he’s now a severe critic of David Miscavige, the man who runs Scientology.

The deposition was taken as part of Luis and Rocio Garcia’s federal fraud lawsuit, but as we pointed out last time, Scientology attorney Bert Deixler seems less interested in the issue pending in that lawsuit — the nature of Scientology’s arbitration scheme — and instead is focusing on Rathbun’s relationship with Miscavige.

Last time, the portion of video we posted ended on a dramatic moment when Deixler was asking Rathbun about the first time he walked away from Scientology — nine days in 1993 — and then asked him to read from a document Rathbun had written at that time. Rathbun refused, and a halt was called to the questioning.

Now, we have a segment later in the deposition when they get back to the 1993 document. Rathbun explains that it was written as part of his “liability formula” — he was under intense pressure to write an obsequious statement to Miscavige pledging his loyalty in order to get back in the good graces of the organization.

After arguing over its nature, Deixler gets Rathbun to read from it.

“None of the things I read here should be taken literally,” Rathbun says, and he argues with Deixler as the attorney tries to get him to give a simple yes or no question about the document’s veracity.

We’d guess Deixler is trying to establish a record of whether Rathbun has a history of lying, while Rathbun is trying to explain what people are capable of doing under Scientology’s system of “mind control,” as he calls it.

Again, it’s interesting stuff. Let us know what you think of this exchange…

 

 
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How Scientology could end up profiting from Alex Gibney’s documentary

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  • MaxSpaceman

    A global seismic shift is coming for scientology. The Sundance premier of the doc and the subsequent showing on HBO will breach the fortress of belief that is the business/religion scientology. The changes are going to be so immense that the scilon empire will be required to contract further and circle the space wagons. Their “religion” will never be the same ever again.

    • Vaquera

      I wonder what new and creative lawsuits COB will come up with……wait they are rarely new or creative, just desperate.

      • Snake Plissken

        When this is what you have for a playbook there really isn’t anything you can do other than punt

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9NYh_VUWwM

        • Wogalistic

          Niiiiice LOL I sure hope I never get to the point where recordings like this don’t shock me.

        • Stacy

          My two favorite sections of LRH loonery from this recording:

          “…It is no exaggeration to say that they run psychiatric death camps. I know that sounds very, uh, rabble-rouse, but the truth of the matter is they are death camps…The psychiatrist murders people outright and forthrightly, and uh, he’s ok.”

          “And please for my sake, don’t forget one thing. I am your friend. I am not from this planet. I am trying my best to do a job, to bring tolerance and humanity to this planet in a very materialistic and often cruel age.”

          Not from this planet?! Well that explains your abuse of the English language. What a fucking moron!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Word: tsunami

      When one whale blows, many will follow. Without the whales, there is no casino play money.

    • Snake Plissken

      They’ve been unsuccessfully trying to plug the dam for well over a decade now, and it’s about to get slammed with a tsunami of truth.

  • Silence of the Clams

    Question: do we know if at any point during this deposition they ask a single question directly related to the purpose of the deposition?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Well they certainly didn’t do that in the first video. But I have not watched the second…
      However….my guess is……………..

    • Jgg2012

      Has there ever been a perfect clear?

    • grundoon

      Asking a relevant question wouldn’t help Scientology’s case, so no they won’t.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Not one that I have heard.
      Subterfuge… all the way.

      • Jenny Daniels

        Obsfucatory subterfuge at that!

    • Unex Skcus

      “Well, um… you have to take it in context… and um…”

      “Just answer yes or no.”

      NO!

    • Baby

      Excellent Post Lush.. I was really interested in reading the Holocaust revisionist story and how it tied into Scn. Thank you.

  • Enders Anon

    I would like to see the entire deposition. What is the purpose just posting the videos in small parts? We can handle the rest.

    • grundoon

      Six and a half hours of Deixler’s badgering is more than I need in one day.

      • Snake Plissken

        It would be good to pass along to current members … this is why you idiots got a second mortgage of your home and maxed out your credit cards.

        To pay for this utter nonsense.

        • Frodis73

          Ha! Perfect comeback!

          • noseinabk

            Frodis! I missed telling you Happy Birthday. The great cake I had for you is gone. Don’t worry, I have a picture of the miscreants.

            • Frodis73

              Lol! LOVE it! I want them all. Puppies rock…esp a whole litter. Oh, the puppy breath!! Thanks for the bday wishes! I know yours in in a minute too. Remember, Alex Gibney and HBO made the movie just for us. Ha.

            • noseinabk

              We know. We just know that the release date is for us. Haha.
              Btw, have a good excuse for missing the 21st. I was puppy sitting my fur grand son, an 8wk old choc lab, who is my stalker and very clingy. The puppy fix is worth it.

            • Frodis73

              Oh! Im so jealous!! It’s been quite awhile since I have been around a puppy. You have the best kind too…you get to give it back. Lol. I need a puppy fix. Did you take any pics? What is his name?

            • noseinabk

              I swiped a pic from my daughters fb. This is Moose. He is one smart little guy too. No accidents all day wen and they just got him sat. I am now cured of wanting my own puppy again. My older lab is not impressed.

            • Frodis73

              Awwwwwwwwww. I just melted into a pile of goo. That face. That little sausage body. Must have, now. I can tell how soft he is. I need to go get a puppy fix! Those paws are killing me too!

            • noseinabk

              Definitely going to get my fill of it now. My husband was a little worried when I babysat a friends 6 month old Bouvier . He thought I was going to beg to keep him. No way. I forgot how much work it is.

            • Frodis73

              Omg, a Bouvier! They are really cool and not too well known. When I brought Murphy (guy in my avi) home after about an hour I was thinking ‘oh shit. What did I just do? I forgot how hard puppies are’. He was worth it, but never again…I don’t have the energy.

            • beauty for ashes

              Happy belated birthday! What are you 22..23?

            • Frodis73

              You are so my new best friend for that!!!!!!!!!! You are off by 20 years, but I’ll take it.

            • beauty for ashes

              You really do have good skin! I was a makeup artist for so long, I’ve been up close and personal with a wide range of women. Everyone ages differently and truly it is only a number. (especially because we are close in age)** 🙂

            • Zer0

              Moose is one cute little chocalate.

          • Stacy

            Did you recently celebrate a birthday? I’m sorry I missed it and didn’t wish you a happy birthday then. I hope you had a great day and got lots of goodies as presents. 🙂

            • Frodis73

              Yes. I did get to go out to dinner with my ex hubby (we are still very close) and it was great to get out for once. 🙂

            • Baby

              Happy birthday honey.. sounds fun.. xo

      • Enders Anon

        Lol. You just saw one hour.

        • grundoon

          Apparently the whole depo is 6 1/2 hours. Unless Deixler got what he wanted before his time was up, or ran out of confidential confessional material.

    • romanesco

      Ask Babbit.

      • Enders Anon

        I see, Babbit decides that?

        • grundoon

          Yes, and he also controls the weather. If it wasn’t true, it wouldn’t be on the Internet.

    • Frodis73

      I think it is because somebody is leaking this to Tony as they can sneak it out. I don’t think Tony is sending it out piece by piece.

      • Enders Anon

        The “sneaker” is probably Mr. Rathbun himself. 😉 What about Mike Rinder’s deposition? Coming too?

        • Frodis73

          I have no clue who it is, but Marty is one of the last I would put on the list of suspects.

          • Artoo45

            I thought the speculation was that it was leaked by Miscavige to prove what an awful, lying, liar Marty was and how Going Clear was full of falsehoods.

            • Frodis73

              I can def see that foot bullet as coming from our fav Asthmatic Dwarf.

  • Cosmo Pidgeon

    I would like to offer a couple observations regarding Marty’s deposition and the a couple of questions of those that are familiar with depositions in general.
    1. This should lay to rest the question as to whether or not the higher ups in the C of S are true believers of just
    merely manipulators. This guy was No.2 and and after blowing the first time still relied on the ethics tech and worked his logic with LRH think. I have seen this happen before where someone will wait to blow by first completing some very difficult target and then get out, just to stop the madness. The IRS case was huge. Marty was fed up with the way things were run and left. He didn’t leave LRH yet. He needed the madness to stop. He was a loyal warrior,
    2. When he got pissed at the C of S attorney for smirking at him when he [ Marty ] suggested that the attorneys at the time goofed the IRS case up. I think that was because they may have,and there is more to the story of how the C of S got tax exemption. And Marty knows it. Many in the GO/OSA community will do what is necessary to complete a mission. Wog rules and laws have little bearing when the universe is at stake. [ I know don’t laugh ] I was there in mindset also.
    3. I have come to like Marty after watching him. Even while being a full blown indoctrinated cult member he was a warrior of the first caliber, yeah for a bogus cause, but a warrior no less. Being awarded Kha Khan is the ultimate status. I never met any one who achieved that……. it’s much more important than Tom Cruise’s big garish medal for what it’s worth.
    4.If I had to go to war I’d want a guy like Marty to have my back.

    With that said I would hope that any people still in the cult, indies, or under the radar that have seen this to see how quickly you can go from Kha Khan and being forgiven for murder 10 times was it?, to the church going to your confessional folder and using all of it to try to destroy and discredit you as soon as you wake up from the either….. All the things you trusted them with, all your personal thoughts, transgressions etc.

    Questions. In such a deposition will the Judge and if need be a jury see the entire conversation or will they get an edited format with only exact questions answered. Like when I hear the the attorney ask to strike the comment because it is not an answer.
    In a courtroom testimony the Judge and or Jury would see all this and I think that makes all the difference.
    I am sure Marty has done things in the name of Scientology he is not proud of….So have I.
    I have no interest in disclosing them and he probably doesn’t either.
    I think if they left him alone they may not have this tiger by the tail…It will come and bite them. And the rest of the people they fuck with. Keep going Davey….drive this puppy right into the ground.

    • Destructor of Worlds

      Meh, Marty good

    • Shelly Britt Corrias

      Thanks for your excellent observations.

    • Stacy

      “With that said I would hope that any people still in the cult, indies, or under the radar that have seen this to see how quickly you can go from Kha Khan and being forgiven for murder 10 times was it?, to the church going to your confessional folder and using all of it to try to destroy and discredit you as soon as you wake up from the either…..”

      Well said, Cosmo. 47x ^^^^^^^

    • Chee Chalker

      Yea, how does a Ka Khan wind up in the RPF? Is DM a KaKhan?

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        I have no idea about DM. Who would award it to him?… I don’t believe Hubbard ever did.

        • Techie

          DM is a “Loyal Officer”, a Kha Kahn in his own mind to be sure. He doesn’t need the status, who could bring him before any justice action? I never heard him say he had that status but the subject would never come up.

    • Jenny Daniels

      I’ve met the Kha Kahn, Moxon, several times.
      What an impressive man… or NOT?

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        Ha ha ,OK….. I am familiar with him. I won’t say why. I wasn’t impressed and did not like him besides…… I take back having said I never met a Kha Khan if he is. But you know……the thing is.. it’s a hard earned title in an absurd universe that doesn’t exist.

    • aquaclara

      ^^^^^^^ This gets a few more up arrows. It also speaks well of your own progression and healing. So tipping my hat to you for showing insight, empathy, graciousness and honesty.

      • Cosmo Pidgeon

        Thank you aquaclara….you are very kind.

        • aquaclara

          You’re quite welcome.

          That recovery thing could not have been easy. You did well. Davey has no idea how far many exes have come in tossing off the Hubbard crap.

          One day, Davey will toot his little tin horn, and there will be no one left to hear him. Out here, we will be toasting and cheering, as we welcome every ex over the finish line, all because of those who led the way. Nice work.

  • Destructor of Worlds

    Marty Rathbun is my Bro, I will never fail him:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr6CoRXKEgk

    • Baby

      Not available in my country destructor.. but thank you..

      • Destructor of Worlds

        I will be my own Musketeer

      • Destructor of Worlds

        That will tell you about those Management Psychopaths

      • MaxSpaceman

        Interesting artist. And not the same song. The one above it. “Hunter”. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjdle7Hm5ZQ

        • Baby

          absolutely beautiful.. Max..thank you honey.. xo

    • DMSTCC

      Cat Daddy back again? Please remember: Less is more.

      • A Guest

        Yes.

        • noseinabk

          This is sad to watch. Again.

          • A Guest

            Yes, it is.

      • Captain Howdy

        Was it the muzak or the Audrey Hepburn photo?

        • noseinabk

          For me it was the avi. He posted his picture file by accident long ago and I remember seeing that one. At least he stopped tonight.

          • Captain Howdy

            Yes, that was the one I did an image search on and I discovered it led back to an image hosting page that belonged to him.

            • noseinabk

              I was waiting for him to get called out today. No big deal until the belligerence starts. He did pretty good for a bit though.

            • Captain Howdy

              When they first showed up and I read the comments I thought to myself “Destructor of Words is more like it”.

        • Robert Eckert

          For me it was some slightly non-native-ish English.

      • Frodis73

        Omg, proof that I must hang out here too much! I *never* figure any of this stuff out…however, awhile back I actually thought to myself that I have a hunch this is CD. Win for me. lol

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Who is CD, now?

      • Ella Raitch

        ‘Marty is my bro’

  • Snake Plissken

    After watching these cult initiated depositions/interogations, how could anyone possibly confuse this crime syndicate with a church?

  • Destructor of Worlds

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qmKk7fj9Ug

    Dido you are pretty fucked, wanting to know about this

    • Destructor of Worlds

      Okay, I would never entertain this, so you are a pretty fucked up woman.

    • Destructor of Worlds

      Why do you haunt me, I am always down, I wamt to talk to you.

      Niels,

    • Jenny Daniels

      Apparently the uploaded has decided not to make this gem available in my country (USA)? Huh?
      What is it?

      • Destructor of Worlds

        Damn

  • Vaquera

    Going Clear Sundance ticket for sale on Craigslist. Posted 8hours ago, so it might be gone by now.

    http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/tix/4859976197.html

    • Vaquera

      Nicole is at Sundance. Wish TO could snag a few interview minutes with her.
      http://instagram.com/p/yN5Hcpr0qQ/

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Maybe that’s tom’s ticket for sale. Heh

      • Zer0

        That would be dividing by zero

      • NOLAGirl

        V, are you blocked on Twitter by Kirstie Alley? I am so I cannot repost the STUPID tweet she posted about an hour ago about defected Scientologists and the KKK…it’s soooo dumb. If you (or anyone else) can post it here, would you please?

        • Helen Van Patterson Patton

          Kirstie Alley @kirstiealley · 2h2 hours ago
          Asking a defected Scientologist about Scientology is like asking a KKK member to REPRESENT the views of white people on blacks…pure shite0 replies11 retweets53 favorites
          Reply
          Retweet11
          Favorite53
          More

          • Eivol Ekdal

            pic…

          • noseinabk

            The comments are interesting. Looks like proof of KA’s foot bullet super powers

        • Zer0

          When all else fails, you can do a screen cap and convert to jpeg

        • Cicurious

          I’m at a dinner party, but did a quick search just for you!

          https://twitter.com/kirstiealley/status/558776867914653698

          There are a lot of comments there. (This is Vaquera)

          • Zer0

            Wow, can’t believe she is so profoundly stupid

            • madame duran

              I can. Easily.

          • NOLAGirl

            Thank you Cicurious. I appreciate it. 🙂

            • Vaquera

              Sorry so late in commenting, NOLA. I was at a dinner party and posting from my phone, when I accidentally logged on to an old comment account. I was doing my best to accommodate your request. xoxo

            • NOLAGirl

              Thanks so much hon, I really appreciate it. 🙂

          • The ignorance! IT BURNS IT BURNS!!!!

          • Zer0

            I wonder what the NOI would have to say about that

          • Just Dee

            Her analogy makes absolutely no sense. It boggles my mind.

            • April

              I agree. Wtf does “represent the views” even mean? Demonstrate the views? Explain the views? arrrggghhhh

            • Ella Raitch

              Precisely Dee – I wasted a whole 30 seconds trying to fathom the logic in this one – when will I learn?

            • Vaquera

              Seriously, right?!

          • Dale A.

            Defected? Wow. That’s a Freudian slip. Only Communist regimes lose population through defection. Democratic governments call it emigration.

            • Zer0

              Good point.

            • April

              Communist regimes. And cults. Don’t forget cults.

            • Ella Raitch

              Yep – it implies there was something worth getting way from.

          • Narapoid

            Paul Lynde for the block: Paul: What’s is uglier and more reputation destroying than comparing someone to Adolf Hitler? “Calling them a Klansman?” (Chuckles nervously and looks over his shoulder) Serious tone: “Leaving a cult, er church, with the only hope for mankind and having the gall to LIE about it.” Another nervous laugh and look over his shoulder. f5

            • Baby

              OMG.. bawwwwwwwhahahha.. Brilliant.. I love TC and how big krusty looks..haha

              EDIT: that is the first and last time you’ll ever hear me say I love TC.. ugh.. I loathe him..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Krusty has a full box.

            • Sejanus

              She wishes..lol

            • Narapoid

              Natilificent shooped it for me. 🙂

          • Shanester

            So many great comments. 90% of them are critical of the cult! A snippet:

            • Frodis73

              How do you see the comments? I’m new to twitter but didn’t see anything but good stuff.

            • Shanester

              I’m using a laptop — if you use a smartphone you will always end up using the undoubtedtly pre-installed Twitter app. But with a normal browser (I use Firefox; Chrome also doesn’t suck) you can click on the date and time in the tweet which will take you straight to the tweet and its comments.

            • Frodis73

              Thank you! LOL, I have an account but don’t use it. This helps. Big time.

        • Shanester

          Just sign out and/or access the Krusty twatter feed in a browser. She can’t block you if she don’t know who you are and Twatter allows anonymous browsing. Good luck.

        • Eivol Ekdal

          Kirstie’s disconnection tech…

          • April

            Kirstie Alley wouldn’t know a deep thought if it smacked her in the face and then stomped on her foot.

        • Juicer77

          NOLA, please tweet KA and ask her why she isn’t at Sundance among her “peers” doing her confront and shatter? Likes to hide behind a twitter account, doesn’t she?

          • NOLAGirl

            I’d love to hon, but she blocked me. 🙂

            • beauty for ashes

              Oh no what a loss 🙂 **giggles**

    • Spackle Motion

      Smells like phishing to me.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    OT, but just saw this. I so want one.

    Furze’s Invention show – Karaoke Shower: http://youtu.be/Y6wOcXQ1ALQ

    • Robert Eckert

      But in the shower you don’t need to know the words!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEvQnNoLS6E

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Good, I forgot all the words. Iwonder if DM has one, ewww.

      • Zer0

        The correct lyrics are “ramped up like a luge, another runner in the flight” which is a reference to the 1964 winter olympics

    • Stacy

      This has nothing to do with showers or karaoke, but it’s what I thought of when I saw this vid.

      http://youtu.be/HlwtgaQZYDI

    • Frodis73

      Lol! Awesomeness!

    • Cece

      THDE ~ thank you for that. I turned up my Bose to volume 85 and that will just have to do.

  • Mat Pesch

    I am really glad this deposition is being put up on the internet for the whole world to see. It is more truth that will be on record forever, like when Debbie Cook took the witness stand. Miscavige can’t afford to have true information made public.
    Miscavige puts on a BIG event and takes all the credit for things like the IRS tax win. Off stage he is begging, crying and propitiating. Miscavige is a pathetic little punk struggling to convince himself and others that he’s not. That’s the delusional world of Miscavige.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Hello, it ‘s still BAMuary 2015. THiS, a thousand times, THiS.

      • aquaclara

        It is in fact STILL BAMuary. Delightful tidbits here every day….I am in no rush to see it end…we’re having far too much fun.

    • aquaclara

      The Diminished Profit never anticipated, er, rather, postulated this remarkable start to 2015. Funny how that scientological crap disappears when it is most needed.

      By the way, Mat, did you or Amy EVER imagine any of this unfolding this way?

  • Lady Squash

    I thought the law was supposed to be about a search for the truth, not a game of gotcha. I am really uncomfortable watching that sleaze bag attorney try to discredit Marty. Makes me mad. Need more wine.

    • TheQueenofBulgravia

      Only the Truth Teller and The Court want the TRUTH!

  • Guest

    I know it has been said many times in the comments already, but I wish Marty would have just claimed duress and left it at that. No capitulation with “yes” or “no”, just answer “physical and emotional duress”.

    • Snake Plissken

      He just needs to suck it up and not lets these fuckbags get under his skin. He just needs to keep reminding himself, at the end of the day he now has a life to go home to, as opposed to Miscavige who only gets to to go home to more of this self-inflicted insanity. When he gets asked these asinine questions all he has to say is he was a member of a mind control cult and acted like a member of a mind control cult.

      • Zer0

        All that explaining doesn’t help things when it gets struck from the record…or does it? I’m not a lawyer.

        • Snake Plissken

          Even if it does get struck from the record, it’s can’t get stuck from the internet, and anyway you look at it this pointless exercise has turned into yet another footbullet for the cult.

          • Zer0

            I just hope the video of his explanations becomes admissible in court

            • Snake Plissken

              I doubt it will because none of it is relevant to the case, this is just another case of Scientologists practicing Scientology aka thugs using the legal system to harass people.

            • Zer0

              Like you said, at least it’s on the inter-tubes! Much win

          • TheQueenofBulgravia

            YES!!!

        • Robert Eckert

          I don’t think “struck from the record” even means anything in this context. None of this is going to a jury anyway, and asking the judge to pretend he didn’t hear it and make a ruling that he shouldn’t pay attention to it is silly, particularly when it’s all irrelevant to the issues of the case anyhow.

          • Zer0

            Thanks, Robert. That makes me feel better:)

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        I’ve been though a very similar situation with an old boss who, personality-wise, was the spitting image of Miscavige. Except for the violence part, because one of my guys and I would have beaten him nearly to death- though he’d have done it if he could have gotten away with it. To summarize without going into all of the gritty details, dude was David Miscavige running a small tech company and I was the head of the support department with 9 people under me. Somewhere in the egomania circus, giant projects would come up that we’d be expected to take on (not paid) as more of a loyalty test than anything, then the next thing was being expected to cover up for some unethical behavior he was into to pad his own pocket. At that point, my guys and I had had enough, I had everyone document everything that had gone on, get any evidence together that they could, and pack their shit. I called him down to the department, told him what we thought of him and that he’d be hearing from a lawyer within a few days, flipped him the bird, then all but one of us walked out. It was fucking awesome. I took everyone to the local bar, they sent people after us, but none of us came back. I got us a lawyer, we sued, etc. The boss got vindictive, there were mysterious tire slashings, company property dropped off on front porches and photographed (this was a footbullet for them in court), and he contested everyone’s unemployment application and lost every one.

        At first, none of the lawyers would believe how psychotic this guy was and how screwy and abnormal business practices had become. If not for the evidence we gathered, I’m not sure that we would have gotten representation. Then came the deposition. They only came after me and the guy who was my #2 and they were nearly identical to these videos. Mine ran eight hours straight with them digging into parts of my background that I’m sure I’d never brought up, like they even knew how much I paid for my car and how I got such a good deal. My record is pretty squeaky- college degree, no rap sheet, Army veteran- but they dug into everything. The best they could do was my off-hours affinity for Irish whiskey, and I found out that they knew where I ate lunch every day while I was there because they had someone follow me, even before there was a hint of trouble. Luckily I’d never tossed one back on a hard day, and they admitted that, but brought it up anyway. Creepy.

        So after an hour, I reacted pretty much like Marty does in the video. My lawyer called a break and then let me know just to roll with it because it showed how insane and even vindictive they are, since nothing had to do with the case. I answered every question with a smile for another 7 hours and learned some neat things. They did the normal delay tactics and the whole thing dragged out for over 2 years, but even though they “move to strike” certain answers, the judge sees the whole thing unredacted. After seeing our two depositions, along with the ones we took, the judge “stipulated to our case” before trial, which apparently is outright winning the case, and all that was left to figure was how much we were getting. And we absolutely kicked their ass there too. Woohoo,

        Unfortunately, a “religion” has a lot more leeway for odd behavior that a business, like in my case, but the judge is going to see all of the material, and he’s the one that has to make all the procedural decisions about how the case proceeds, and this will not help our boy Dave. Hang in there, Marty!!

        • I had a friend who was “constructively dismissed” after working for a major world-wide restaurant and bar chain for 15 years…. as it’s one of the few businesses I’m pretty knowledgable about he came to me for advice; in a nutshell I said get the best and most expensive lawyer out there as I’l bet they take on contingency once they hear a bit of the story. True dat. But then they offered him a settlement which was pretty good but nowhere near what I thought he should get…. anyway he didn’t hear from them when he rejected and I wondered why… fast forward a year or so [he called his lawyer once during this time and was told “Listen, trust me… I could do things for you and charge you a lot of money but it would be the wrong thing to do” [yeah, English lawyer… he was a silk from Lincoln’s Inn]… and he called my friend and said “I’ve been given an offer of £xxx, I think this is a fair offer, would you like me to settle?”…. it was 5 times the amount that was previously offered. Now, what we discovered is that the reason we didn’t hear from them after the rejection is that they were trying to play out some contract law time limit thing that was hidden in the small print… my friend’s lawyer spotted it and explained [after the fact] that they probably hoped we’d miss it and the guess would be dismissed. Our lawyer turned up for the case literally 30 minutes before the end of court business that day and said their lawyer’s face was a picture… knowing that they’d likely lose or at the very least have to pay for their ex-employees fees (another legal mindf*ck they didn’t realise at the time) they quickly settled.

          Man, was he a happy bunny… it took over a year but he ended up with five times more than he thought he would.

        • daytoncapri

          Awesome story.

        • Ella Raitch

          Glad to see someone triumph over shits like this. I’ve had my recent experience but changed jobs (the bully wasn’t my boss, but my manager’s boss)

          • Hingle McCringleberry

            I was sort of in the same position. I started in the bullpen with the rest of the team. Four managers later, I got called up, which was pretty much like a death sentence. The thing was, we actually liked and cared about most of the customers, so for the last year or so, we got by with the idea that we were really working for them. It was a good product, just piss poor management. The CEO’s dad actually started the company, then had the misguided idea of turning it over to a “new generation” with his son. He got screwed worse than anyone. Whoops.

    • Bob

      Good point. I’m sure he discussed it with his lawyer.

    • Juicer77

      Welcome, Guest! Good point. I was thinking the same thing a few times.

    • TheQueenofBulgravia

      MR’s sworn deposition on the internet about his experience is priceless. He was not intimidated and just rolled on explaining things in detail that DM really doesn’t want exposed. He expanded the yes/no to show the undue influence, duress and confusion he was under. Priceless.

  • i-Betty

    I just wanted to say: it’s 01:15 here in England. I should be in bed but instead I suddenly had the biggest rush of adrenalin when I realised how close we are to Sunday’s premiere. We’re counting down in HOURS now! I don’t care that we won’t be there, not really; what I really care about is that this film has been made and it is going to be HUGE.

    • Eclipse-girl

      iike THDNE i want Tony O to enjoy himself

      Unfortunately as a Bunker addict, I want updates as soon as possible

      • Gabbyone

        Me too!

    • Frodis73

      I know! I can’t believe it’s finally here. I hope Tony has a great weekend and enjoys every minute of it…it’s a big deal even w/out ‘Going Clear’. There are some very interesting movies playing all week.

  • pts4sho

    didn’t xenu impregnate hubbard with his green alien goo and that’s how tom cruise was conceived? I heard that tom is 100% percent human except for the tiny barbed cock.

    • outraged

      and tom was really born green, like in Wicked, but it faded while doing tanning salon sessions with davey.

  • outraged

    LIstening to Marty being grilled, patiently answering, being very specific. But These Stupid Questions?

    As if Miscavige is a six year old kid insisting over and over and over that he did NOT take your toy and smash it and he did NOT throw it in the lake. And IF you see the broken toy in the lake floating than YOU are the one who put it there. And YOU are the evil one. A very black and white, controlled, completely misrepresented sense of reality.

  • Ruby

    As Mat pointed out below, this deposition is great. People will see it. They will know that the Captain cried and begged, like a sniveling punk, in desperation for Marty’s return. They will know his lawyer is not about truth. They will know that this is what the cherch is about and they will stay away.

    I am really happy for Tony and the other players of GOING CLEAR to be attending a fun filled and exciting weekend! We will be with you in spirit and hoping for a play by play report at any time that does not cut into your fun! Live it up! Cheers!

  • Juicer77

    Did Rathbun actually witness DM crying and begging? Or was he told second hand? I will rely on those who have more personal knowledge, but I just can’t imagine DM begging for anything. He thinks he is the most important person on the planet and doesn’t need anyone. Something about this just doesn’t track…

    • Frodis73

      Good question! When it first came up, I got the impression he was told by somebody over the phone. Then in this depo he said something about meeting DM in New Orleans…so I’m not sure exactly how it went down either.

      • Juicer77

        Yes, it was hard to discern in the rapid fire deposition questions. Even if DM felt Rathbun had concrete evidence that could put him in jail, he would more likely fly into a rage and kill him than beg him to stay.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I think Marty did witness some type of apology by David

    • Cece

      He (Marty) says it twice. I believe he witnessed this. He said that it was a surprise and I got the idea he was hopeful the asshole had actually improved. Marty gave him the best thinking people can change.

      • beauty for ashes

        I loved it when he said he thought David Miscavige was having a “come to Jesus moment.”
        so snarky! Glad he can look back at it with humor.

        • Juicer77

          Even if unintentional, it’s rather an arrogant turn of phrase, though. I believe him, I just don’t know if I believe him completely. I guess unless you witness such a scene, you can never know for sure.

          • beauty for ashes

            Hmm. I thought it expressed the latitude of spiritual ascension he thought he was witnessing. And at the same time in retrospect how it was not so. But you’re right we can only speculate.

          • TheQueenofBulgravia

            We think We are skilled at detecting BS. From MR’s contextual behaviour surrounding these statements on the video, of DM being (at least temporarily) sorry,We believe MR. Over the years, We have stated many times that someone had a “Come to Jesus moment”, meaning they finally had to recognize the TRUTH about their bad behaviour. DM is due for another one of those! (see Our reply to beauty for ashes above for moar on MR+DM)

            “An epiphany in which one realizes the truth of a matter; a sudden, intuitive perception of or insight into the reality or essential meaning of something; coming clean and admitting failures; realizing the true weight or impact of a negative situation or fact; acknowledgment that one must get back to core values; moment of realization; an aha moment; moment of decision; moment of truth; critical moment; moment of reassessment of priorities; turning point; life-changing moment”.
            http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=come-to-Jesus%20moment

            http://www.conservativedailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/come_to_Jesus_meeting.png

        • TheQueenofBulgravia

          We don’t think MR’s comment “come to Jesus moment” was snark:–relook at the tone with which he says it. To quote OurVeryOwnSelf from earlier:

          OXY-MORON ALERT We believe that DM was SINCERE (for that short time only and one time only ever) in his apology to Marty.Young DM would have been stunned by his Right Hand Man leaving, was “rattled and desperate” and was repentant, (of course underpinned by his own self interest), but/and not manipulative in that flash of raw Human Emotion. (Like an abusive spouse). HOWEVER, Human Emotion is not $ci acceptable and DM handled that Once and For All.

          • beauty for ashes

            I totally see what you’re saying. In my own weird way I agree with you.
            I am maybe not as articulate as I’d like the past few days 🙂
            Especially the abusive spouse honeymoon period thing Dm was doing to Marty. I am glad he doesn’t feel bad about leaving after Davey was so “nice to him” and fall into the cycle of emotional/religious abuse.

    • Spackle Motion

      Yes, he witnessed it first hand. He’s told this story before.

  • Frodis73

    Is anybody else out there wondering why they have not put out a trailer for ‘Going Clear’ yet? I’m going crazy here. There are tons of ’em out, but not this one. I hope after the premier maybe…

  • outraged

    omg, listening to Mark Fisher, binging on Jeffrey Augustine.
    He was accept to prestigious universities when he was hijacked by LRH.

    I was about to enter law school when I was hijacked by Lifespring.
    My college professor called me from across the country to urge me to not accept the job with Lifespring.
    that my life would blow up like a volcano and I would spend the rest of my life picking up the pieces.

    And in some ways he was right.
    Because I went to work for a cult, I moved across the country, left my friends and family, did not go to grad school.

    BUT, my husband met me because of the first friend I had in Lifespring.
    Silver Linings.

    But, I am just struck by the similarity.
    The Kult is stealing our young.
    They are taking the best and brightest among us.
    And beating them down in the to the ground.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I like Mark F. I could listen to his stories all day.

      • Techie

        I liked Mark F. when he was in and second only to DM too. (around ’84) Most of the other higher ranking folks would just roll on by if they were driving and you were waiting for a ride (having missed the bus). Mark would always stop and pick up as many as he could fit into his car. I never got the feeling he was going to bite my head off when I went to see him in his office right next to DM’s. He was serious and demanding, but not in a psychotic way.Going to work on something in DM’s office was like entering the lion’s den. Few emerged unscathed and those only if he could use them in some way.

        • outraged

          what a effing psychopathic hypocrite.
          DavyWAvy, a high school dropped out
          making FUN of Mark F., a stellar everything,
          but little Davy cannot run his KULT without the College GRaduates, the Money Managers, the Builders, all the people who paid their dues and got paid.

          He is the personification of Richie Rich, the spoiled rich brat who hates everyone and wants everything and wants you to like it too.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Mark was clearly an intelligent person.
          He also appears to have remained his humanity while inside. That does not appear easy to do.

      • outraged

        oh my gosh.
        he is amazing.
        he was involved in the most bizarre awful cult ever when the psychopath was on the move and yet, Mark F. has I bet, the same easy going personality he was born with. Some of this is too painful for me to even listen to. But because Mark F. makes it sound normal, it helps. It is NOT normal, but yet, because he went thru it and survived, it was normal for HIM.

        • romanesco

          He’s refusing to let them play him that way. They’re trying to make it look like the only reason he would testify against Miscavige/Scientology is that he has an “axe to grind.”

        • Eclipse-girl

          I am wondering if Marty is watching his words right now because of a Monique’s case.

  • I think Krustie’s having a bit of a melt-down, lol

    “Asking a defected Scientologist about Scientology is like asking a KKK member to REPRESENT the views of white people on blacks…pure shite”

    pic

    • EnthralledObserver

      I see logic is not her strong point… but understandable given she’s imbeded in the Cult of $cientology.

      • Scientology doesn’t cure drug problems, it just masks them.

      • and irony is like an aeroplane to her [a twitter post I posted here a few days ago worth another look]

        pic

        • beauty for ashes

          Did Kirstie admit to having a full body lift yet? It occurred to me that there is no way she could wear some of those tight dresses and not have some extra skin.

          • There was an Enty blind item a couple weeks back that pretty much said she had lipo…. he has a very good record on being right and has the balls to reveal his blinds

            • beauty for ashes

              I can forgive a little lipo. But seriously a full body lift removes a good deal of skin and extra weight. And is major surgery. And she’s schilling a weight loss plan. If she has had it, it’s a pretty major cheat.

            • and pretty dangerous… one of the regular commentators here gave a detailed medical breakdown of why it’s such a stupid thing for someone like her to do

            • beauty for ashes

              I must have missed it then! I wondered why nobody speculated about it. It can have some pretty spectacular side effects.

        • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

          I know her unflattering body suit says SUNDAY, but all I can see is SUNDANCE.

          • Missionary Kid

            Me too.

    • Zer0

      The bunker is all on that cray cray down thread, ml

      • all these thousand + comments a day are starting to annoy me, lol!

        • Zer0

          Yeah, it’s hard to have a day job and read a zillion comments!

        • Cosmo Pidgeon

          ??

          • in the build up to Sundance we seem to be getting a lot more comments than normal…. so checking up on double posting links is harder so I was making light of the annoyances of this site becoming more and more popular – and FTR I’ve noticed my own blog pick up more views than normal in the past few days which leads me to speculate that there are a lot of journos out there geared up to make a big deal of the HBO doc…. mind you one can only hope that one of my headers makes it out to the big wide world… see pic

            (the Cardone story has yet to be posted… hope he enjoys the header)

            • Frodis73

              I love the headline about the Cardones. I also hope you get some new eyes at your blog in the coming months as the movie news is spread and ppl see it.

    • noseinabk

      Hilarious that she thinks she has deep views on life. I’ve read deeper insights on popsicle sticks.

      • I actually think that she’s teetering… there’s a lot of garbled self-justification and, I’m guessing, she’s probably under pressure to go above and beyond the party line and defend her church but she’s no longer having to deal with an obvious enemy but deal with her own peers… I mean, HBO has massive clout and has employed the cream of the best actors/directors etc in the world so she can’t really go “after them” so to speak, it would be like dissing her boss. Yeah, she’s stuck between a rock and a hard place if she wants to remain employable as an actress … I predict major lulz as far as she’s going to react once she finds out what’s actually in the doc. If she’s behaving like this openly then I’d hate … or rather I’d love to imagine what’s going on behind the scenes with Cruise’s management… learning up on turd polishing I reckons….

    • They keep trying to steal everyone else’s victimhood.

    • Observer

      That last one is one lame simile.

      • she’s drunk

        • PoisonIvyHerself

          Agreed.

          • I’m sure you know this blog but if you don’t I think you’ll love it http://kenlevine.blogspot.co.uk

            main writer of Cheers and Frasier… there are some gems about Krustie I’ve read through the years… when someone asked about wrap parties at the end of a season and what each star was like he said something along the lines of ‘you could always rely on Kirstie getting the first round in… and the last’… a back-handed compliment if ever I heard one

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m starting to believe that Krusty’s a drunk tweeter. I don’t know if anyone in $ciontology has told her to STFU, but I wouldn’t doubt it. She might be quiet until she gets enough booze in her, then lets everything rip.

          If she is a drunk, it won’t be long until she gets her first drunk driving arrest, then the fun will began.

          • remember when Leah left – she ended up doing pretty much the same thing with all those ‘Celeb but not really housewives of clammology’ from her garden… we were commentating on it back then and mentioning the other harpies she was with… quite a few footbullets came out if I remember.

      • beauty for ashes

        And scientology should never be prosecuted by the law, the law should just stay out of it, because…. Freedom. :):):):)

    • Sejanus

      Actually Cursetie is truly an idiot.
      If she wanted the right comparison it should have been….
      Asking a defected $cientologist about $cientology is like asking a former KKK member to represent the views of white people on blacks.
      Honestly that would not be so horrible in that a former KKK person might well have learned the error of bigotry and left that clan in favour of a more enlightened lifestyle, much like a former cultie.
      Bottom line..she doesn’t even understand her own examples.
      it should be former with former, not former with current.
      She is as thick as a brick and denser than lead.

  • MaxSpaceman

    From Rindersblog. A Fleecewinds ad. for an evening with the scilon who helped Columbia (the country) grow their economy 700% ! *and* reduced crime nationwide by 60% !

    Should be a smash success, turn away crowd.

    • beauty for ashes

      He’s ruining the name Guillermo for me. :[

  • Shelly Britt Corrias

    Tony asked for comments & observations on the deposition video. I’ve seen Marty criticized and praised over the years, often within the same blogs. And I’ve seen opinions change for better or for worse. Since much has been said about the testimony, I’d like to offer some experiences the depo reminded me of. They also explain why I have supported Marty over the years whether or not we see eye to eye on everything. No one has to agree or disagree of course, just sharing some of my memories and conclusions.

    Marty and I began Scientology at the same org, within a year or two of each other in the late 70s. Oddly, his brother was treated at the same hospital that had treated my aunt years before – the institution of One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest fame. However, our paths didn’t cross until 1987, when DM took over RTC and brought Marty in as the Inspector General for Ethics. At the same time I was put in charge of the Dissemination Division. One of the first projects was to publish a KSW News tabloid newsletter about the new RTC and its Inspector General Network. The photo here is from that newsletter – it was completely staged of course, and that was my first photo shoot experience with DM and the rest. That conference room wasn’t even in RTC – we didn’t have one yet. Marty & my dealings through the years mostly concerned PR projects – newsletters, presentations/awards involving ethics or OSA personnel, stuff like that. He was helpful to me more than hurtful.

    One encounter stands out and is the reason I ever got back in touch with him after he surfaced. In 2001 I was involved in a project to produce the PDC lectures on CD so DM could release them at the Freewinds (and make a ton of money, which he did, they were hideously overpriced.) Anyway, the project had already been botched by one guy so Greg Wilhere persuaded me to take over and save the day for DM. (This was the beginning of the end for me, BTW.) It was a f**king disaster from the get-go mainly because no one would listen and act on what I was reporting and requesting for the production schedule and budget. Yager was calling me day and night, issuing orders and screaming at me on the phone, incessently paging me, waking me up knowing I was borderline mental, operating on less than 3 hours sleep a night for weeks. In desperation one night I turned off my pager and phone and went and hid in the dark alley outside the printer just to get some peace. Not 10 minutes later, Yager had someone frantically paging me over the printer’s outdoor PA system. I collapsed sobbing uncontrollably until an associate found me. Picked myself up and called Yager. I don’t know what he was telling DM but it wasn’t the truth, so when it finally blew up for being disastrously behind schedule guess who got to be the scapegoat?

    Throughout this insane project, Marty was the only person who actually LISTENED to me instead of accusing me of evil crimes. He spent 90 minutes on the phone with me getting every detail so the project could be untangled. It was commendable, because he did not know the printing industry and he persevered with intelligent questions. It wasn’t enough to save my ass, but the project was reassigned to Russ Bellin who was given unlimited funds and all the praise for saving the day while I enjoyed hard labor. I had enough and left a few months after this. I guess I pity Yager at this point. But when I compare his legacy to Marty’s, it’s hard not to offer a vote of confidence for the Rathbun warrior.

    • Ruby

      Great info, Shelly. Thank you for all of that.

    • Juicer77

      Thank you for this insight. What an awful experience. I’m glad you are out now and I hope you smashed that pager when you left.

      • Shelly Britt Corrias

        ha! I’ve not touched a pager since.

    • Ben Franklin

      I find it funny how all the four big men are listening attentively to one tiny guy in the middle

      • Techie

        Well he talks kind of low and very fast, but if you miss anything you are toast. Funny how they captured the essence of the madness of DM without meaning to demean him in this completely staged shot.

        • Shelly Britt Corrias

          This was before we had Photoshop, some things were impossible to hide. In hindsight, I should have provided DM with a booster seat, my fail. None of the photos were retouched outside of color adjustments on the film prior to printing. As I’m sure you know, as soon as Photoshop came out, it was a goldmine for us PR people, at least we thought.

          • grundoon

            Shelly, do you have any insight into the “man with no head” incident?
            http://www.lermanet.com/PhotoLIES.htm

            • Shelly Britt Corrias

              No, not that particular “flap” as we called them. Lucky for me at that time I was on mission, otherwise I would have been working in the area doing the shooping. The Scientology Backgrounds & Ceremonies book was released at that event, and I was on “mission” in LA, Portland & Nashville during the weeks prior and after, making sure the books were produced, sold & shipped for all the events around the world. (yes, every org had a “quota” they couldn’t afford but were forced to stock, including the special editions.)

              The special editions were bound in custom dyed goat leather imported from England. (I am so sorry, it hurts me to remember that. We had to use a continuous piece for each book, and they were large. I cringe at how many goats were lost to this cause.) The leather was elaborately embossed. The books had hand-made end papers, onion skin type fly leaves, gold leaf edging … very elaborate, very expensive. The day before Christmas Eve, the book binder in Nashville had a machine malfunction and it destroyed thousands of dollars worth of goat leather. We then didn’t have enough leather to complete the books, so had to “rush” a special order from the UK (riiiiiight). What a nightmare. This was typical for any Scientology event I took part in: last minute, rush, do-it-at-all-costs to placate DM. All I remember is despite everything, we accomplished our mission, but DM went postal about the event itself – there were A/V issues with visuals not syncing with his speech. Someone here will have more info and IIRC it’s covered in Blown for Good. I was fortunate to be on mission and miss out on the worst, that time anyway.

            • grundoon

              Flap upon flap upon flap… what a madhouse. I’m so glad you’re out.

    • Baby

      Thank you for sharing such a difficult and painful part of your life with us Shelly.. Marty was a source of comfort for you. That is a nice story . Thank you.

      • Shelly Britt Corrias

        Thanks Baby. It tries to show a tiny bit of the internal madness. Marty a source of comfort: yes, but mostly now that we’re out rather than when we were in. Hard to explain but as far as NOW, look at that photo. it’s 28 years later and Marty is the only one of those men who’s out and talking. What if he were not? To be honest, at the time Marty seemed the most inexperienced|vulnerable|softspoken. Now look.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Thanks, I’m happy to see Marty did help people out, and that’s for sure, the number of people on his blog who lived through his own decompression, and Marty’s media statements have for sure matured.

      His third book takes permanent swings at Hubbard, which really was good to read.

      Getting out of the Hubbard crap thinking inevitably is the way.

      Hubbard’s writings lend toward Scientologists’ self abuse, at bottom.

      And all ex leaders and ex Int Base staff and managers and top Scientologists all going public, on their way back to normal thinking is so much appreciated.

      Scientology’s bad behavior I see mostly comes about by members following Hubbard’s script justifying their own membership abuse.

      Ex members realizing that, and apologizing, and continuing to apologize the rest of their lives, person by person when it comes up, and as the members “decompress” further, and unraveling all their past abusive behavior for what seemed like justified prior reasons, it’s a continuing procress.

    • Jenstnick

      Thank you for your insight, though I am sorry for all you have gone through. I’m a never in, but I like Marty. He did terrible things in his past in the name of his “church” but I respect people who can own up to their shit and take responsibility. I understand why people don’t like him, I don’t fault them, but from my perspective, he takes responsibility. Meanwhile, I love further proof that David Miscavige is labeled a “captain”. Lol.

    • i-Betty

      Shelly, I have goosebumps all over my body from reading your explanation of sheer exhausted collapse. I feel it. It helps that I’ve just finished Blown For Good so I have a much better understanding of people being worked beyond human limitations, but I’m sickened by what happened to you and just so grateful that you are out of that hellhole. I’m so sorry.

  • Andrew Robertson

    My attention was caught by an arresting headline in the Village Voice: ‘Meet the Mutant Squirrels of City Hall Park’.

    I immediately assumed that Tony had returned to the publication and was writing about a breakaway group from New York’s thriving independent Scientology community.

    Alas, it was a more literal article about a melanistic variety of ‘Sciuris carolinensis’, and no threat to COB’s ecclesiastical empire!

    http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2015/01/meet_the_mutant_squirrels_of_city_hall_park.php?utm_source=Newsletters&utm_medium=email

    Andrew

    • Juicer77

      Lol, cute little fellers 🙂

    • Zer0

      The black squirrels are quite surprising!

    • Sherbet

      My, my, my…the Village Voice seems to have lost its edginess. 😉

    • Techie

      Sometimes a squirrel is just … a squirrel.

    • beauty for ashes

      STACY! Omg she’d love this. Damn she’s probably already asleep.

  • okay, so we’re close now but I just can’t imagine tiny fists has given up on damage control… do you think he’s got a bunch of SO clams primed and ready to be bussed out to protest outside the theatre … I mean, he has to have one last go, no? (helicopter drop of one million way to happiness leaflets, ed?)

    • They’ll have the Squirrel Busters and the LAX team shattering the lineup for the theater. (With laughter.)

      Oliver Schaper will coordinate the bogus DMCA claims against all the resulting phone videos uploaded to YouTube.

    • came across a photo in my files that I hadn’t actually seen before… is that Miscavige to the right of LRH actually standing at full height?

      • Was Miscavige ever on the Apollo?

        • Artoo45

          I’m guessing this is Greece or Las Palmas, he would have been 7 or 8 years old if he was in this picture . . . which he wasn’t.

          • I was going for lulz re the height issue…. that, and the pic of him as a young guy with pretty much the same moustache this guy has

            • Artoo45

              I figured. I was more responding to our green friend.

      • grundoon

        In the Apollo days, wasn’t little Dave too young to have facial hair?

      • Bleuler

        Standing at full height where? Below the chair? On another note, some people in this photo look genuinely happy. I know all current photos, including group shots, include the “vacant, rictus clam grin” but here a lot of the joy seems to come from inside. This is not meant to praise the Sebaceous Slimeball but the people who probably genuinely felt they were doing good.

    • outraged

      just read your entry with article at the bottom about our Johnny at the Gym. he cruised that guy at 3AM? I didn’t know it was in the middle of the night. What was Johnny doing there in the first place? Who goes to the gym at that time except to cruise? And that boy sounded like he was creeped out by Johnny. I bet Travolta has a reputation there -avoid this lying queen.

      Has Travolta become a predator? That is sick and sad.

      • hah, that’s nothing… you should read his “sauna stories” from Gawker – bumming a go-go with knobs on … it’s on my blog as well… somewhere

        • outraged

          it is gross. he is gross. it is also very sad. alone and cruising in gyms in the middle of the night in NYC, how pathetic..

          Come out of the CLOSET JOHNNY!!!

      • Frodis73

        I totally think he’s a predator. You should read the stuff he has done to some massage therapists.

        • Ella Raitch

          Is he the next celebrity that the general public is going to stop giving a free reign to (thinking Bill Cosby)?

        • outraged

          You are absolutely right. I have read about all that. I thinkmy sympathy for him is now dissolving.

          Someone needs to arrest that boy before he goes too far.

  • Vaquera

    Documentarian Alex Gibney makes his arrival. When asked about his bombshell Scientology documentary “Going Clear” he said, “I hope [audiences] think about the power belief systems can have over all of us””

    http://instagram.com/p/yOQkYaw_7N/

    • PoisonIvyHerself

      It’s a timely message, not just about Scientology, but about all extremist ideologies.

      • Vaquera

        Agree 100%

      • Ella Raitch

        And you don’t have to look overseas to find them

  • Vaquera

    The play “Disconnection” ad poster…

    http://instagram.com/p/yOOnSjD7jl/

    • Appollo

      I saw the show tonight and really enjoyed it. I don’t know how it is for an audience that isn’t familiar with $cientology but there are a lot of references that would really hit home for an ex-member or even never-in Bunkerite (me) . It’s powerful and the performances were great. I was surprised they mentioned COB being responsible for the death of “Lisa McFadden”. When something gets referenced even for laughs, you say to yourself, “Oh yeah, they went there, that takes balls!”. “Oldman” even cracks a joke about COB’s height and keeps referring to him as “the boy”. The COB character finally appears near the end, abusing a pregnant sea-org member and is just VILE. It looked like there maybe only about 10 empty seats and I spotted Larry Anderson, the guy who used to do the $cientology videos, in the audience front row center. There is no way that anyone would be the least bit interested in taking a “free stress test” or becoming a Scientologist after seeing this play. Nope, not gonna happen.

  • Tony Ortega

    Did Kirstie really say that? Wow.

    The Eagle has landed. We hear it can be tough to get a drink in this state. Say it isn’t so.

    We have a really fun treat set for the morning. We may not have any Sundance updates until the evening, so bear with us. And even then, we’ll be mostly in socializing mode until Sunday’s screening. But fear not. Plenty of Scientology news happening in the meantime.

    • Artoo45

      Have fun, sir. You’ve earned it.

    • Bonus points if you can get a selfie with Nicole Kidman!

    • SciWatcher

      Wait…what did she say?

      Have fun, Tony!

    • Frodis73

      I hope you have a great time!

    • PoisonIvyHerself

      It’s NOT tough to get a drink at Sundance! Nor even in SLC, actually. Certainly not in the main film festival-catering hotels and bars. There are plenty of places for the rich tourists (not the local Mormons – in fact it’s probably the local Mormons making the money off the rich tourists’ liquor!) Enjoy Tony – remember the number one perk of film festivals – there’s nothing so attractive to women as a man with a lanyard! 😉

      • Frodis73

        there’s nothing so attractive to women as a man with a lanyard! 😉

        Truth.

        • I have hundreds of the buggers somewhere in my garage back from the day when I had my Production Company… every week there used to be some kind of conference going on. RAI in Amsterdam when you used to pay for the privilege [unless you were exhibiting] was the absolute bomb. Tickets were a fortune (like £500 or so) but your parent corporation always picked up the tab but that included free booze and food everywhere, cabaret shows, massages [really], portraits, photo shoots … just about anything you can think of … the last night extravaganza was absolutely amazing… even a custom free travel pass that you could use with cabs! I went to three of them – the first one was when I was still a student and called them up asking about a ‘student rate’… they’d never had students ask to come before and were a bit flummoxed… they said I could have 4 tickets for the duration of the event for £20 a student.

          This amazing experience only lasted a couple more years after my first time as they then changed it to a very basic entry price of €30 or so but no longer did the free booze and food thing… the main reason for this was the advent of Digital tech where everyone and their mother could “produce” content… old school pros with proper camera skills were no longer highly prized…

          … but I digress, a RAI lanyard back in the day really was a key to the city (sort of)

    • Vaquera

      She did

    • Vaquera

      Hey tony . Can you delete that first photo I posted? My bad.

      • Tony Ortega

        Delete which photo?

        • Vaquera

          The first one in the below thread. The privacy page. Thx.

          • Tony Ortega

            Should be gone. Gotta run.

            • Vaquera

              Thank you. HAVE A BLAST!

        • Vaquera

          Thank you..

    • Ella Raitch

      Great we are using codewords for this trip. Gibney is Big Cheese? Mike is SB for serfaccy bastard?Tony is ‘the proprietor’. Has someone got cliff notes?

      • Bleuler

        Who will be Mr. Pink?

    • BigMcLargeHuge

      Its actually really easy to get a drink, I’m having a nice Rye on the rocks right now. Used to be you had to be a “member” of a “private club” to get a decent drink (which meant paying for a “temporary membership” at any bar you wanted to go to, basically an exorbitant cover charge). That all went away with the Olympics, now you can just walk into a bar and get a drink (although they are metered but at least they went up to 1.5 oz, they used to be a 1 oz pour which was ridiculous). Getting a bottle for your abode is a bit of a chore since there are only state run liquor stores with crap hours so you need to plan. If you are in PC there is one on main street (its below grade about half way on the right side of the street if you are facing downhill) and there is a really good one in Kimball Junction if you are out that way. There are a bunch of clubs up and down main street to get a drink if you want to “drink out” though.

  • Enturbulated Masterbator

    Bombshell! (I love when Nancy Grace barks that out)…lil’ Cap’n Crunch likes waffles. I wonder if he prefers Scotch syrup rather than a rich Bourbon butter sauce….hmmmmm?

  • Ella Raitch

    Deposition theatre – Marty is highly entertaining in this and is blocking Deixler at every turn. Enjoy Sundance Marty. He may not have the college degree but he is besting you Bert.

  • Phytophile
  • I’m on the XO’s now and a tad worse for the ware…. thought of a silly game: Best Imaginary Headline from the media after the screening of the HBO doc… some ideas:

    TOM CRUISE RENOUNCES HIS RELIGION AFTER SCREENING OF HBO DOCUMENTARY. “I had no idea….”
    Daily Mail

    TRUMP CONSIDERS PURCHASING SCIENTOLOGY CORP
    Wall Street Journal

    YES, IT’S TRUE I’M GAY, SCIENTOLOGY FORCED ME TO LIVE A LIE. “Well liked and formerly closeted scientology celebrity John Travolta finally speaks out….”
    National Enquirer

    will add more after a a few more sips

    • Newiga

      Weight-watchers Weekly gave me the first laugh of the morning! Thanks, Lush!

      I need more coffee to come up with my own headline. 😀

    • First Last

      A new poster from CO$

      • someone should shoop Cruise as the mask

  • 1 Day

    • Frodis73

      Yay!!!

    • First Last

      Bro start an hourly clock / counter
      I am sure there are some free options on web which you can embed as comment here and let it run down to $lappy McShorty blowing a gasket – oh sorry, I meant Sundance.

    • aquaclara

      It’s here! It’s finally here!
      And was the play opening last night in Beverly Hills?

      I read that 50,000 people are expected at the Sundance Festival. Whooo hooooo.

      And how many people get HBO? Maybe 25 or 30 million? I don’t know….need to go find this out. Brb.

      • aquaclara

        A whopping 114 million people subscribe to HBO. 151 countries. 32 million US alone.
        Ha ha ha ha. Isn’t this a beautiful thing?!

        There is snow outside. I got up to check to see how much. Now I can’t sleep. This is going to be a great weekend.

  • My name is Larry Lester

    Thanks Tony cant get enough of this. Waiting and watching for part 3!
    Loving the comment that miscavige promises to be good and not abuse people anymore (please come back Marty). Can so see this. He’s so, so, ‘human’…..

  • Shanester

    Well, good grief. I tried to summarize but I clearly have Tolstoy syndrome, and now I’m too tired to try to edit it down (and I gave up on including everything I thought worthwhile!) As a strict summary it’s kind of a fail; however, as a summary with analysis, it’s hopefully a bit better. Good night.
    ——-
    It’s an exciting time in the Bunker with the build-up to the release of the “Going Clear” documentary, and I’m sure everyone has noticed the sheer volume of commenting over the past two weeks. I have a feeling that the site has been getting a lot more visitors recently – which I’m very excited about, obviously – but it does make trolling through the comments more of a challenge, particularly if one has a job, or children, or any of those things that can constitute an actual life. (And by trolling, I hope you understand that I mean “fishing” – cruising through all the chit-chatting, kitty pictures and YouTube posts to find those delicious morsels that either crunch so good or are full of nutritious value).

    Some good Bunkeroos – I don’t remember who – have occasionally provided a summary of the commenting highlights, and because I noticed there were so many good highlights today, I thought I would give it a go.

    1. J. Swift (the fantastic Jeffrey Augustine) wins the popularity prize by acidly and succinctly pointing out that making former high-ranking member Marty Rathbun read his own liability formula – a confidential, penitent confessional document from twenty years ago – “is proof that the Church uses privileged ecclesiastical folders against former members”, which opens up a whole can of squiggly worms for the Church and smacks of desperation from leader David Miscavige that such a tactic should be performed so blatantly.

    I highly recommend further astute analysis at Mr. Augustine’s excellent blog, The Scientology Money Project.

    Also, Bunkeroo TheHoldDoesNotExist had a great comment: “I love the fact that the definition of Fair Game goes on record…”

    2. A lot of interesting discussion on the deposition itself, and the performance of both Marty and COS lawyer Bert Deixler. Both men are seasoned professionals, but Marty seemed to be consensus winner for his overall slightly sharper performance, despite the occasional face tic and tight voice. There was definitely a consensus that the whole line of questioning in the deposition – apparently seeking solely to somehow discredit Rathbun – would be a footbullet to the Church given that the judge has now admonished Church lawyers more than once that he is growing tired of their delay tactics. The deposition was supposed to be about the Church’s supposed arbitration process for the Garcia suit. Instead it turned out to be about nothing except Rathbun’s personal character.

    TX Lawyer said it best: “Deixler is trying to get Marty to admit that he lied about things in the past (even though the things he lied about are how awesome David Miscavige is) so he can just hang the label ‘admitted liar’ on him in order to dismiss the significance of his testimony. It’s the kind of thing you do when you don’t have any other means to rebut the testimony of a knowledgeable witness.”

    Angry Gay Pope in his typically hilarious (if slightly more subdued – he is being deposed, after all) style also provided further evidence that the COS’ bankrupt morality only allows them to impugn the character of the deposee rather than bring up pertinent facts to build their case.

    3. There was a whole lot of discussion about the many facets of the man himself: Mark (Marty) Rathbun, former No. 2 of the entire Scientology hierarchy who arguably was primarily responsible for obtaining the Church’s tax exemption from the IRS in 1993 – arguably the Church’s greatest triumph at the peak of its membership. Is he keeping mum about some nefarious activities for fear of criminally implicating himself? Is he still a true believer of the Hubbardian way? Is he a hero? Too many (excellent) comments spread across too many hours to link them all, but there seems to be one thing for sure that just about everybody agrees upon regarding Mr. Rathbun: he is a wily competitor and overall worthy man who, despite his history and perhaps despite his flaws, is a crucial element in the necessary unraveling of the Church as it currently exists. Beyond this general area of agreement, however, the Bunker Commentariat seems to split into one of two frames of mind:

    a) Marty has had a difficult road and come a long way. Even if he still espouses Hubbard’s tech (which is difficult to be 100% sure about due to Marty’s rather inscrutable writing style), he deserves forgiveness for his past transgressions, even his involvement in the cover-up of Lisa McPherson’s death.

    b) Marty is important because of his knowledge of the Church’s inner workings and, because he is willing to take on David Miscavige as evidenced by his deposition and his wife’s lawsuit against the Church, deserves our support. Other than that, he can keep his esoteric ramblings and kind of creepy personality to himself.

    Which camp are you in? (For the record, I am in Camp A.)

    More in-depth posts about this complicated man: Shelly Britt Corrias (Do read her personal story of working with Marty at RTC.) Cosmo Pidgeon talks about “Kha Khan”.

    4. A fascinating glimpse of the Church’s European operations was provided by new Bunkeroo Philip Borggren Levin, a recent ex-Sea Org member in Copenhagen, Denmark, who told of government actions against unsanitary conditions (black mold!) in Sea Org kitchens and a sad tale of the Church’s callous disregard of a tragically murdered Sea Org woman (“she was PTS and pulled it in”). I hope we hear much more from this young man. Karen de la Carriere, can you interview him via Skype?

    5. Please enjoy Bunkeroo favorite Baby’s beautiful art.

    6. Another Bunkeroo favorite Richelieu Jr. is having difficulty securing financing for his own documentary about Scientology due to the Hollywood belief that Gibney’s “Going Clear” will clear the field and public interest thereafter will die out. I say, let it not be so! Scientology is insane enough and Hollywood enough that it should support a decade-long mini-industry of exposés beginning with our very own Richelieu and Mark Bunker! Let’s keep these documentarians in our hearts because their insights deserve to be heard!

    7. More than a few comments about Scientology’s lower conditions and how indefensible they are (unless you want someone to stay in a cult). My own comments.

    8, Finally, Kirstie Alley just seems to get meaner and meaner as she goes higher and higher up the bridge. Her recent tweet is racist and utterly indefensible.

    9. And finally, finally: Going Clear in ONE day! Ye Haw!

  • valshifter

    Brain washing is the total surrender of free will thru cohersive forms of persuasion. The movie stars in scientology even thou they go about their everyday lifes they still ready for scientology at any moment,
    to not be or refusing to be ready for scientology would be considered a form of
    betrayal, so the brainwashing button is instilled in them by the simple fact
    that they are ready to jump as a Pablov dog.

  • valshifter

    Scientology stands for freedom of speech, so why in the hell are you in the way of Alex Gibney movie then? ah ah ah?

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    • valshifter

      all my blues are done

  • valshifter

    After Rathbum gives collaterall information to the lawyer he calls it “unresponsive” does that mean whatever he said does not get recorded, or does not go into the records?

  • valshifter

    The church of Scientology Giving away priest-penitent information when cornered by law, that tells you how ETHICAL, they are, aren’t they braking the rules of a legitimate religious group right there? And on top of that; that information was given under pressure and coercion to wright something nice to Dear Leader. But either way it should HAVE NOT BEEN PRESENTED IN COURT. shameless cult.

  • Mark “Marty” Rathbun’s deposition (watch both parts) is very telling. And not in the favor of scientology.

  • Truthiwant

    Here’s some updated weather reports for Los Angeles, Clearwater and East Grinstead.

    Looks like it’s going to be sunny…

  • Tony Ortega

    Going to put up today’s story a little early. And could use some help testing a video to make sure it’s visible. Ready?

    • RBE

      Is the pope catholic?

    • Eivol Ekdal

      UK ready

    • RBE

      Yes, it plays in the UK

      • Tony Ortega

        Thank you.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Video viewable on first load.
      A-OK
      Thanks!

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Both videos OK

    • Eivol Ekdal

      Can we talk to Mr. Gibney about getting those posters for sale?

  • burbank_burt

    That first bit covering Fair Game is fan-freaking-tastic.
    To hear that come out of his mouth… wow!

  • Ardent

    I can’t believe both Marty’s patience with that hostile lawyer and the deafening silence from the Garcia’s lawyer on the phone! I do have to say I think Marty slid a lot of uncomfortable facts into his testimony, though. He’s no fool, that Marty Rathbun!

  • Sydjazz

    Well done mark,