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Anne Archer, Terry Jastrow, and…Could It Be…Tommy Davis, At Film Reception Tonight?

The film showing tomorrow night at USC

The film being celebrated tonight at Anne Archer’s house, and showing tomorrow night at USC

[BREAKING: See below for an important new story that aired this morning in Australia about a young woman reportedly held against her will by Scientology after having a mental breakdown.]

Roger Friedman over at Showbiz 411 put up an interesting story on Friday. He said that Anne Archer’s “Artists for Human Rights” — a Scientology front group — was going to host a cocktail party for documentary filmmaker Rebecca Richman Cohen, and he wondered if she was aware that Archer and her Scientologist husband, Terry Jastrow, were connected with the church.

But it was something else Friedman said in the article that really grabbed our attention. He mentioned that Anne Archer’s son Tommy Davis “is the chief celebrity wrangler for Scientology.”

We wondered if Roger just hadn’t heard the news we reported last October that Tommy has left his job as Scientology’s chief spokesman, and that according to both John Sweeney and Lawrence Wright in their recent books, Tommy has also left Scientology’s “Sea Org” and is living in Austin, Texas.

But things got even more interesting when one of our tipsters told us about a cryptic conversation overheard in Los Angeles a few days ago, and we’re wondering if Tommy might not be making an appearance in LA after all. Here’s what we know…

Despite Scientology’s own dubious record on human rights — signing children to billion-year contracts as young as six years old, forcing young women in the Sea Org to have abortions, and engaging in decades of legal and covert harassment of former members and journalists, to name just a few examples — in recent years the church has added “international human rights” to its traditional “good works” efforts in drug rehab and school materials.

That has spawned such cynical front group operations like “Youth for Human Rights,” which ropes in unsuspecting young people for exposure to L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology, as well as Anne Archer’s group, “Artists for Human Rights.”

Recently, Archer’s group sent around this flier, inviting people to her home tonight for a celebration of a 2010 documentary, War Don Don, by filmmaker Rebecca Richman Cohen…

WarDonDonFlier

 
Anne, of course, is most famous for playing Michael Douglas’s wife in 1987’s Fatal Attraction, for which she was nominated for an Oscar. For Scientology watchers, she’s also well known for her performance on BBC’s Panorama program in 2007. (We are not responsible for the sentiments in this short video)…

 
Her husband Terry Jastrow is a big time television producer, and just happens to be on the cover of the most recent issue of Scientology’s Celebrity magazine…

Terry_Jastrow_Celebrity

 
Anne’s son, Tommy Davis, shot into prominence as Scientology’s chief spokesman from about 2007 to 2010, when he had a disastrous encounter with Lawrence Wright at the offices of the New Yorker, which is fully explained in Wright’s recent book, Going Clear.

Tommy_Davis

 
Briefly, Davis put himself into a classic bind when, in an attempt to head off what would become Wright’s February 2011 epic New Yorker profile of Paul Haggis, he and the church produced military records to back up the church’s claim that L. Ron Hubbard was seriously wounded in World War II, and then healed himself with methods that formed the basis of Dianetics and then Scientology. But if it could be shown that those injury claims were lies, then Scientology itself was in big trouble. Said Davis, if Hubbard hadn’t been injured, then “the injuries that he handled by the use of Dianetics procedures were never handled, because they were injuries that never existed; therefore, Dianetics is based on a lie; therefore, Scientology is based on a lie.”

Wright then showed conclusively that the church’s war documents were in fact fakes. Hubbard was never injured in the war. He sought medical assistance for ulcers, conjunctivitis caused by exposure to tropical sunshine, and hemorrhoids.

It’s always risky to say that one or another event is what prompted Scientology leader David Miscavige to torpedo the career of one of his executives, but this episode seems more likely than most. For whatever reason, after 2010, Davis was rarely seen, and as we said earlier, he’s been reported to be living in Austin with his wife Jessica Feshbach (also a former church spokesperson) after the two washed out of the Sea Org.

However…

A few days ago one of our many tipsters reported to us an intriguing, but fragmentary conversation overheard in a Los Angeles hair salon. It involved a Scientologist who was feverishly talking into a mobile phone, spewing the customary acronym-heavy jargon of a Hubbard follower.

While our tipster couldn’t get every word down, the point of the conversation indicated that “Tommy” was coming to town and was on the “RSVP list,” and “Anne” had been called to confirm that Tommy was, in fact coming and Anne had said yes. Also, “they are here, but just for a little bit and going to Dallas for a few months. They are definitely out.”

Now, we’ve never really understood why the mainstream media seems to have such a fascination for Tommy Davis, but if they’re really jonesing for a glimpse of him, it might be worth the time to send a photographer around to see if any snaps can be taken of Anne’s guests arriving at her party tonight.

Alternatively, Rebecca Richman Cohen’s film is also being shown tomorrow night at USC, and Anne Archer will be speaking. The event begins at 7 p.m. at the Ray Stark Family Theater. Will her son be along? We don’t really know, but it might be nice to see the family all together in one place. Just a thought.

 
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BREAKING: AUSTRALIA’S ABC AIRS A DISTURBING STORY ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY’S TREATMENT OF A MENTALLY ILL YOUNG WOMAN

About an hour before our post on Tommy Davis and Anne Archer was scheduled to publish this morning, we heard from ABC’s Steve Cannane about a disturbing story airing in Australia at about 6:30 AM Eastern, 10:30 PM Sydney time. It was broadcast just a few minutes ago. Here’s the full script to the segment, but we’re leaving out the young woman’s name for now.

The Church of Scientology in Sydney has been accused of holding a young Taiwanese woman hostage after she suffered a mental breakdown.

[The young woman] was hospitalised last March after she badly cut her hand punching a window at Scientology’s Sydney headquarters.

[The young woman]’s family claims she hurt herself trying to escape. The Church of Scientology denies the allegations that she ever was held captive or forced to do anything against her will.

The case once again highlights Scientology’s controversial beliefs about psychiatry.

Steve Cannane has this exclusive report for Lateline.

Cannane: At 20 [the young woman] had a bright future. She was living in Taiwan, studying commerce and working part time in a library. Just over a year later her life is in ruins. Mentally ill and unable to work or study, she shuffles down the street like a woman four times her age. Her family blames the Church of Scientology in Australia.

Cousin of the young woman: A 20 year old girl’s life has been destroyed. It is an evil cult, just nothing but an evil cult.

Cannane: In late 2011, not long after being introduced to Scientology, [the young woman] was recruited to the Church’s elite Sea Organisation, signing the standard billion-year contract and moving here to Dundas in Sydney’s west.

The cousin: She was only told that she will do a course, helping her reach a higher level in Scientology. So the Scientologists in Taiwan took [her] to get a deferral in her studies and flew her to Australia immediately.

Cannane: Taiwan has become a key recruiting ground for the Church of Scientology in Sydney. According to former insiders, so many Australian Scientologists have left in recent years that at least half of the staff here now are Taiwanese. These pictures shot from a park next to the church’s headquarters give a rare snapshot of what life is like here…in the morning recruits are drilled in a military-like fashion…marching and saluting before heading off for a long day’s work. [The young woman]’s family and friends say she soon tired of this life and asked to leave.

The cousin: They put her into a place called the “isolation room.” She was still offered food but was locked in a room. It is an isolation room in the Sea Organisation.

Cannane: One night in March last year [the young woman] smashed a window in the Dundas building, badly damaging her right hand — her family say she was trying to escape. An ambulance was called and [she] was taken to hospital. She was diagnosed with a mental illness. According to her medical records she told hospital staff she had been held hostage by Scientology members. No-one from the Church of Scientology was available for interview, their lawyer Stuart Gibson denies the allegations.

Stuart Gibson, Church of Scientology Lawyer: No look, Stephen, that’s a nonsense. She was at Dundas first of all at her own volition and at all times she was free to leave Dundas. And I might hold up for the camera a couple of photographs of the facility at Dundas which if you can clearly see would hardly say that it’s Fort Knox — people that are there can access and egress that facility easily so that allegation is an absolute nonsense.

Cannane: Was she put in isolation?

Gibson: No she wasn’t put in isolation. I think that is a derogatory term. She was actually in a sick bay.

Cannane: But [the young woman]’s brother, suspicious of what was going on, recorded a phone conversation from Taiwan with a Scientology official in Sydney. Lateline has been told that is Mei Tsu Lee, a former President of the Church of Scientology in Taiwan. In the conversation Ms Lee admits [the young woman] was placed in isolation.

Mei Tsu Lee: I was with her in the isolation room after she became unstable.

Cannane: Mei Tsu Lee was unavailable for interview.

Stuart Gibson, Church of Scientology Lawyer: Well I don’t know, you’d have to take that up with her. The fact is she was in a sick bay. There is no isolation and there’s never been isolation and to use that term is a derogatory term and it was nothing of the case.

Cannane: If isolation is a derogatory term why is it that L Ron Hubbard said you need to put people in isolation when they have a psychotic break?

Gibson: No, that’s not true.

Cannane: I’ve got the statement. It is true, he says anyone who has a psychotic break needs to be placed in isolation.

Gibson: No, we categorically deny that.

Cannane: Here’s Scientology’s official policy on what they call the Introspection Rundown — a procedure to deal with mental breakdowns written by their founder L Ron Hubbard. Under the heading “Isolation” it says, “With someone in a psychotic break, it is necessary to isolate the person for him to destimulate and to protect him and others from possible damage. While in isolation the person receives the Introspection RD done flawlessly on a short session basis, gradiently winning and gaining confidence. Between sessions the muzzled rule is in force. No one speaks to the person or in his hearing.” Hubbard described this policy as a technical breakthrough which possibly ranks with the major discoveries of the Twentieth Century. This policy was followed with tragic consequences in 1995. Lisa MacPherson, a young Scientologist in Florida, had a mental breakdown. Instead of seeking psychiatric treatment the Church of Scientology put her in isolation in a hotel room. She died 17 days later. The Church of Scientology is opposed to psychiatry, labeling it an industry of death.

From “Psychiatry: An Industry of Death” — “In the past four decades nearly twice as many Americans have died in government psychiatric hospitals then in all U.S. wars since 1776.”

Cannane: The day before Lateline was due to interview Scientology’s lawyer, this story took another turn. The ABC’s Managing Director Mark Scott received an email from [the young woman] where she denies she was held against her will, or was treated badly or hurt herself trying to escape. The email says, “I do not give ABC, your reporter or any other media for that matter permission to publicise or use my unfortunate circumstances to your advantage or to vilify an organisation I freely support.” The statement is witnessed by Yu-Lung Chen, a notary from this office in Taiwan and dated February 14, three days after Lateline put forward the allegations to the Church of Scientology. [The young woman]’s father and cousin later went to the office where she signed the statement

The Cousin: Miss Chen said some people took [the young woman] in to sign the document.

Cannane: The notary involved, Yu-Lung Chen, was unavailable for comment. [The cousin] says the two people who brought [the young woman] here were from the Church of Scientology. [The young woman]’s father is outraged.

The Father: She has been unstable and she was not in a good state of mind. She didn’t have good judgment and can’t tell right from wrong. I don’t think it was right for her to sign the document. It should be annulled.

Cannane: [The young woman]’s father says he found out about the statement when a Scientology representative contacted him by phone.

The Father: I had no idea at the start. I heard about it later when their lawyer called me and said an Australian program will be on air. I just said I want like to live a peaceful life and don’t want anything upsetting and I hung up. I was ignored in the past, and they only called me when a program was going to be aired in Australia.

Cannane: Given [the young woman] has been mentally frail how do we know the church hasn’t lent on her to make this statement?

Stuart Gibson, Church of Scientology Lawyer: Well, we don’t know one way or the other, Stephen. I mean, I am only going on my instructions. You may put that, but on my instructions that’s just not the case.

Cannane: In an e-mail to Lateline, Scientology spokesperson Sei Broadhurst said, “[The young woman] has never been coerced or forced into anything by anyone from the Church.” Steve Cannane, Lateline

And a spokesperson from the Australian Federal Police has told Lateline they have investigated [The young woman]’s case — but found there was insufficient evidence to support any charges in relation to people trafficking or breaches of the migration act.

 
—————

SAINT HILL, WHERE BOREDOM LIVES

Chanology Leaks has made available another Scientology promotional video, this time for Saint Hill Manor, the church’s UK headquarters. You might keep it handy for when insomnia strikes.

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Posted by Tony Ortega on February 25, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • Cymboli Starsong

    Scientology is the real hemorrhoid. We’re the preperation H.

    • FistOfXenu

      $cientarCONon can’t be cured with preparation H. We need an exploding suppository.

    • Missionary Kid

      $cientology=smegma

    • sugarplumfairy

      What we need is a good proctologist with a really sharp scalpel..

      • sugarplumfairy

        btw, Dr. Ortega, I’d work as your scrub nurse any day..

        • Captain Howdy

          Shameless hussy !

          • sugarplumfairy

            I gotta be me.. =)

            • Captain Howdy

              So how’s your cuz doing. Long time no see.

            • sugarplumfairy

              She’s been sucked into something called ogame.. I hardly see her anymore.. I’m thinking she may need an intervention soon..

      • RMycroft

        Maybe just a red-hot poker? I’m willing to risk it.

  • whingeybingey

    I don’t know how they keep getting away with this shit. Imagine if a Taiwanese girl was found trying to escape from a room in my house, accusing me of holding her against her will. I’d be up for trafficking before you could say Bob’s your freaking uncle!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      No kidding! Yet Scientology can do this shit over and over and over.
      It is freaking infuriating.

      • monkeyknickers

        But they’re clearly down to their 3rd string talent. It’s like watching the Miami Marlins. I mean, if you’re into baseball. I made a similar I’m-stunned comment above so I know this is dead wood, but I am FLABBERGASTED at the lack of skill Scientology is recruiting for high profile cases.

        • monkeyknickers

          Also, just as an aside, “the Marlins” is a ridiculous name for a baseball team. I can’t believe they got a whole new stadium. I honestly don’t know why I don’t get consulted on these decisions before they’re made.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Agree!
            I will stick with my Yankee’s!

            • monkeyknickers

              Smart young lady ! 🙂

            • Captain Howdy

              yankees suck..Giants FTW !

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Boo hissssssssssssssss~~~

            • Red Sox…that’s right ..i said it 😉

            • FistOfXenu

              BTN, I just knew you were a sensible young woman. Yankees all the way in 2013!

          • dwayners13

            I’ve been cheering for the ‘Dolphins’ for many, many years, the name doesn’t exactly conjure up the same images as the bears, raiders, broncos, steelers or vikings. To be honest though, Joe Robbie/Pro Players Or Sun Life Stadium (whatever it’s call now), was a terrible place to play or watch baseball.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Ask Uncle Sam and his red haired stepson, IRS

  • Patty Moher

    “Cannane: If isolation is a derogatory term why is it that L Ron
    Hubbard said you need to put people in isolation when they have a
    psychotic break?

    Gibson: No, that’s not true.

    Cannane: I’ve got the statement. It is true, he says anyone who has a psychotic break needs to be placed in isolation.

    Gibson: No, we categorically deny that.”

    LOL!

    Reporter: I have the proof right here!

    Scn Lawyer! It’s all lies!

    The classic Scn response.

    Scientology = Lying Liars that Lie.

    • Cymboli Starsong

      Many people hate lawyers because they distort the truth and lie to protect their clients. Scilon lawyers are the poster children for this behavior. In reading Going Clear, my favorite LOL moments were in the foot notes. “Burth Fields, lawyer for Tom Cruise, denies this ever took place.” lol

    • Protect the hive!

      • Ziontologist

        You are good at that.

        • You might want to explain that one. I certainly didn’t understand it.

    • Are_sics

      If it’s written that it isn’t true, it must be true that it isn’t true.
      Did Hubbard write that he didn’t write it was isolation? Has anyone looked that up?

      Good thing that got all that down on steel plates. Someone might change some commas or something.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Maybe, like fair game, he rescinded isolation in a policy letter with a nice little addendum that says the PL doesn’t cancel any policy on the treatment of a CP (crazy person..)

        • Are_sics

          Exactly the precedent I had in mind!

      • stanrogers

        “That statement is no longer operative.”

      • sugarplumfairy

        GOLD plates.. At least that’s what they told the suckers–er–donors..

        • Are_sics

          Is that right? Isn’t that just the Mormons? I could swear I read they were engraved in steel, and encased in titanium, to survive nuclear war.

          Gold is more fanciful and self-important, though. And less original. Sounds like them.

          • sugarplumfairy

            You could be right.. I’ve been losing brain cells at an alarming rate lately..

            • Captain Howdy

              At various point I have read they were gold, steel and titanium plates.

            • nessness

              I wonder what they use as cutlery?

            • Observer

              I thought it was titanium plates and gold CDs with the seekrit Scn CD player tech that will work forever …

            • dwayners13

              I think they use the same sort of eternal batteries that are used to run the virtual prison cell Xenu is still contained in. I’m sure the technology is basically the same now as it was back then, after all the DC 8’s were basically the same back then.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Losing them or directly killing them….generally after 5pm?

            • sugarplumfairy

              hmmm.. that certainly explains a lot..

    • Captain Howdy

      LAWYER: A professional advocate hired to bend the law on behalf of a
      paying client; for this reason considered the most suitable background
      for entry into politics.

      — The Cynic’s Dictionary

      • Roger Larsson

        Without the Father of WWW, Tim Berners-Lee, Xenu had never made it out to the freedom.

        Private interests lose fortunately against common interests.

        • Captain Howdy

          Whatever you say Roger. You’re the Master, I’m the Grasshopper.

          • Roger Larsson

            On a person in a psychotic break isolate the person wholly with all attendants completely muzzled
            (no speech).

            http://wikileaks-press.org:81/file/introspection.pdf

            Are two votes controlled by wrong information more than one vote having the correct information?

            Individuals stands for the truth and group members and their lawyers for the illusion that they stands for the truth.

    • villagedianne

      Yeah, and when the lawyer says, “I mean, I’m only going on my instructions. You may put that, but on my instructions, that’s just not the case.” It sounds like the lawyer is covering his own butt.

      • DeElizabethan

        Exactly! That stood out.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Exactly, and you would think he would be just as concerned about the fall out to him from insisting that she wasn’t held in isolation when the evidence shows otherwise. That’s why it is such a weird set of responses. Either way, it’s a day late and a dollar short, and it shows he is a bad lawyer.

    • Vistaril

      What’s true for you . . . and all that.

    • Missionary Kid

      Triple L or 3L = Lying Liars that Lie

    • HeatherGraceful

      Vicki Dunstan and Virginia Stewart were in the room with Stuart Gibson during the interview. They could have got him to correct the record. So, they must have agreed that he deny the use of the word “isolation”. It was nice to hear the certainty in Steve’s voice as he challenged him. “It IS true!”

      Oh, and apparently, I am the “leader” of Anonymous in Western Australia! I must remember to update my cv with that gem.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Hey! Congratulations…lol.

      • monkeyknickers

        You are my Australian hero, then. I’d hire you in a heartbeat.

      • The best thing about being named “leader” of Anonymous: who could ever contradict it?

      • That probably makes me leader in Albany

        • HeatherGraceful

          Not unless I say you are!

          LOL.

        • Trustmeonthis

          And *I* am the Leader of Anonymous – in my living room! Oh, the POWAH.

      • N. Graham

        Congrats! Does that allow you to appoint leaders in other parts of the world?

        • HeatherGraceful

          Not sure of the ambit of my authority. I’d better check with those who appointed me. Vicki and Virginia.

          • N. Graham

            If they’re not in isolation somewhere. Sorry to use such a derogatory term.

          • AstroLadyBoy

            Vicki and Virginia hahahahahahaha!!!

          • N. Graham

            Hope they’re not in isolation. Sorry to use a derogatory term.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      It seems either Attorney Gibson has had second thoughts about the church or he is a very, very bad lawyer. First, he insists, without doing his homework, that using the term “isolation” is ” derogatory,” and he gets himself ambushed. Next, he does an about-face and doesn’t deny that the mentally unstable young lady may have been unduly pressured to send an email informing the world she has not been held hostage. Instead, he says “We don’t know,” and that he is “acting on instructions.” Either he is a total idiot and very bad lawyer, or he had second thoughts about destroying his career for Miscavige et al and decided to step back from this disaster. The damage is done, however, and should be a warning to any attorney representing the church, they will lie to you, and they will insist that you not question their lies. Lawyers are not entitled to claim they were “misled” if the truth can ascertained, and the lawyer didn’t bother to look.

      • Trustmeonthis

        Are we even sure that he’s actually a lawyer? He sounds like Tommy Davis Jr.

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          Forgive me, sometimes my sense of humor goes astray, but your question makes want to ask “Are we sure he isn’t Thompson Hunter’s lawyer from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas?”. ( “I am your lawyer, and my advice is that you should drink more” or something like that.)

          • Trustmeonthis

            HST’s legal advisor, Oscar Acosta, disappeared many years ago, while HST was still alive.
            Speculation is that it was some kind of business arrangement gone bad (not having to do with HST, they were besties).

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Blastphemous I tell ya!

            Going to trial with a lawyer who considers your whole life-style a Crime in Progress is not a happy prospect. ~Hunter S. Thompson

          • As your attorney, I advise you that it is not important for you to understand why you are paying me money. What is important is that you continue to do so.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          You said Tommy Davis Jr. and I suddenly pictured TD singing Candy Man.
          I don’t know why.

          • Tammy Davis Jnr (a bit like Micahel K calls Cruise Tammy)

            • BuryTheNuts2

              BAAHAAAHAAA

      • He sounded to me like he’s a Scientologist. The repeated use of the word “derogatory”, as if the fact something is derogatory is more important than if it’s true, and saying he was only following instructions. Scientology needs to hire outside their organization these days for competence, but I wonder if anyone’s willing to work with them any longer in Australia.

      • N. Graham

        How about a total idiot AND a bad lawyer?

        • DodoTheLaser

          You know the lawyer didn’t do his homework when the reporter does it for him on national tv.

    • Dean Fox

      What’s true for you is true for you….?

    • monkeyknickers

      And seriously, THIS clown is the best legal mind Scientology can buy in Australia? He could not LOOK more devious. Jesus. His hands are shaking while holding up the little pictures of Dundas he printed out on his HP Deskjet All-in-one F4280 before the interview. OSA might as well’ve posted an ad on Craigslist: “Spin doctor wanted, no experience necessary, but must not be an obvious shifty-eyed weasel. Account at Kinko’s a plus.”

      • athrueliability

        LOL! I’m a lurker & this made me post – to funny.

      • N. Graham

        You’re right, he sure doesn’t exude warmth like someone working for a church, and certainly not charisma like someone working for a cult. Maybe he is all they can afford now. And those pictures sure reassured me that no once could be held there against their will. Obviously, if it was a place where people would be held against their will, there would be a fence with sharp pointy objects on top facing inward.

        • ParticleMom

          It would have been more convincing if there had been some people walking freely about the estate in the picture.

        • monkeyknickers

          Plus, I was thinking and worried . . . . if CoS “management” is hiring cut-rate lawyers like this idiot, it might well mean that they STARTED trimming the budget with Sea Org personnel first – no wages, beans and rice and raw cabbage every day, cutting off heating, cooling, hot water, etc. And mostly they’re just CHILDREN, adolescents still growing and needing basic nutrition. It’s horrible and killing even for young adults like my sister (wherever she is). God – I HATE David Miscavige. I hate him. I don’t feel that emotion very often, but he deserves it for treating his slaves so badly. What a tiny, hideous, evil little man. Okay! Rant over.

          • athrueliability

            hear hear! “Slaves” is the perfect description monkeyknickers. I can say personally to the fact that if something goes wrong in the bigger Scilon picture, it’s the servants who first undergo budget cuts to the extreme. Then everyone is so damn hungry and underfed that we lashed out constantly at each other and in HCO, if some body got chocolate or cookies or a package with those instant soup things from home, they would get ripped open immediately and emptied before it ever reached the person.

            • aquaclara

              This is sad to hear. And so sorry to hear that this is from personal experience. If you feel like sharing no revealing details like where this happened or how often, you will find open ears and sympathetic hearts here at the Bunker.
              Thank you for sharing your story.

            • athrueliability

              Thanks aquaclara. Today is the first time I have posted although i have been lurking here for months. I do think I need to tell my story, but I am not sure what good it will do for anyone really? But I am writing it bit by bit. I was at St. Hell & FLAG for 3 years. At St Hell my post was in the HCO, and my “boss” was a poor, overworked 14 year old girl named Lily. She was a doll and I hope she has escaped too.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I am glad you are posting.
              Poor Lily.
              I am glad you got out.

            • athrueliability

              Thank you. Me too. I think about Lily a lot. She would get so excited on the one day every now and then that she got to go to “school”, which wasn’t that good but at least it wasn’t work. Her parents basically told her that if she didn’t stay in the Sea Org, they would disconnect from her immediately. She was very sad a lot of the time.

            • Gawd that SUCKS> I used to wonder that even when “in”: What kind of parent just dumps your child……….no matter what the cause!

            • DeElizabethan

              Hi athrueliability, Good to see you out and commenting. I’m very glad that you are writing things down and bit by bit is good. This is an excellent way, first of healing yourself and second to help others. Keep all your writings and just keep writing, as it comes up. I’ve done that for a year and know it’s been most helpful.

            • athrueliability

              Thank you so much. It feels like a relief. At first I thought people here would sort of beat up on me, but it is a great place because of people like you and Tory and Tony and other posters.

            • Yeah….I and no doubt some here, lived through the on-line days of being pounded. It was years ago when only a few would actually speak out and tell their names. Thankfully, critics (peeps never “in”) and Ex-Scios would always remind me: “Magoo–you must be doing *something* right that OSA is pounding you this much”. That always made me smile..and kept me going. =D

            • athrueliability….great job on posting! The more you write, the more ‘sekret/hidden junk’ blows off and the happier you shall be. That’s my view, anyways. 🙂 I love this, from above:

              “Gibson: No, we categorically deny that.”

              Reporter: I have the proof right here”
              (ROTFLOL!)—Good one, Lateline!

              When will the phony “church” of $cientology get that their policy:
              “IF IT ISN’T IN WRITING IT ISN’T TRUE”…L Ron Hubbard

              IS
              What is biting them in the ASS, every time!
              Keep on keeping on 🙂
              Thanks to Tony O, and ALL exposing this insidious CULT.

            • athrueliability

              Thanks Tory. Watching your vlog has been really valuable to me. I wasn’t in at all as long as you were but your commitment and cheerfulness has given me lots of hope. That even if I left it was possible to be happy. YOur vlog gave me confidence to get out. The only reason I was even able to get internet access in the HCO was because we were demanded by RTC and OSA to make fake accounts and post nasty comments to critics. It got to me and I started sneaking out after muster or during mealtimes and secretly watching and reading things on the internet when noone was around.

              It was also “monkeyknickers” who encourage me to post on this website. I was sort of afraid that people would hate me but I wanted to talk too. He is funny and understands that sea org members need compassion to get us out and loves his sister so much so I thank him too. I also thank TOny Ortega & everyone else whos spoken up. It has given me strength.

              The church just lies all the time. We were always told just to lie and lie and lie. I should have seen that it was for money and not for helping people.

            • athrueliability…thank you SO much! I’m so very happy my YT site (ToryMagoo44) was able to help you and congratulations on speaking out! Interesting you were asked to post nasty comments. How many would you guess were actually doing that? Just curious. Absolutely Sea Org members (as well as public and staff) need compassion! So happy “monkeyknickers” was able to help you come here and speak out 🙂 Great job on speaking out…Thank you 🙂

            • athrueliability

              You really helped me Tory. During really bad times I always liked listening to you kind of reminding myself of “the truth” when I felt doubtfull. There are a lot of people in the SO designated to say nast comments, but even worse is that we had to call parishioners & staff & basically force them to open fake accounts too. That was the worst somehow for me

            • aquaclara

              Hope you’ll keep posting, athrue…there are a lot of readers here at the Bunker, and we are all interested in the stories of those who are open to sharing. So glad you were able to break away. And hearing that a 14 year old is working like that….it is so wrong.

            • Fullyflubbed

              that is just heartbreaking. i hope you don’t blame yourself.

            • dwayners13

              I’m glad I came across your comment as it’s aways good to learn from someone who can speak from experience. I will be looking for more of your posts in the future, thanks.

            • athrueliability

              I’m going to try my best to, you just get kindof embarrassed once you write it down.

            • athrueliability—that used to happen to me (and often still does)…EVERY SINGLE TIME I’d GO TO POST:::::: should I? BOOOOOOOOOM! Hit the “Send” and let it GO! It’s such a freeing thing to do. $cientology traps you into “Secrets” “don’t tell” etc. Once you hit send, you’ll see—there’s FAR more support out here than $cientology can ever stop. 🙂

            • athrueliability

              I am blown away by how much people are supportive. I am humbled. “Monkeyknickers” (I don’t want to say her real name) sent me a private email after I posted & said “are you okay? Do you need anything.” She’s been trying to get her sister out and knows about it. Well anyhow, we figured out that we both live in the same city, and she said “let me come get you for lunch” I was at a low point right then. I know this sounds weird but after the SO I get stressed out kind of by having so much “free” time. So she came and brought mexican food and just let me talk. I guess she saw I didn’t have very much food in my kitchen and the next day she brought me tons of frozen dinners she cooked herself for me, like lasagna and so on. She’s a musician and so I know she doesn’t really have money. If I need to talk she always responds. I guess I’m saying this because if any SO members are reading this (and I know personally that they are) I want them to know that WOGS are the most caring people I have ever met, and will gelp you without even knowing you. In the SO, I would have been screamed at for talking and sent to Ethics or the RPF. Out here you find people who want you to get better. AND THAT IS THE TRUTH. Thanks Tory, you definitely know what its like.

          • dwayners13

            Rant away, if my sister was under the care & influence of Miscavige, . . . well I can’t even imagine.

      • dwayners13

        My guess is the church in Australia is not receiving any financial support from the IAS.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Good guess, Dwayners13. IAS only supports IAS.

  • Saint Hill we have flowers and dirt paths!

    Little heads up, if you’re trying to avoid being labeled a cult maybe saying “Saint Hill is life, Saint Hill is love.” isn’t a great idea.

    • Are_sics

      On the other hand, I wish all their communications had to be in couplets. It would certainly make the lawyer’s statements more entertaining. At cause over rhyme.

      • FistOfXenu

        I think some of the people in that video need to redo their Comms Course. If that’s how they deliver couplets about the blessed Saint Hill, I bet they’ll never be able to say “I’m doubtful about the temperament of your flamingo” with any confront or intention.

        • Are_sics

          Good point. Though really what’s true is what’s stated in iambic pentameter.
          “Forsooth, I needs must go and pad my stats”. I don’t have an appropriate Thursday rhyme, however.

      • Oy, Ron wrote enough Vogon poetry, I wouldn’t want to hear lawyers adding to the corpus.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          OK, I had to go use the BBC VOGON Poetry generator for the hell of it.
          (Just in case someone didn’t know how BAD Vogon Poetry truly is)

          Here is your Vogon Poem from BBC Cult to David Miscavige

          See, see the Dead sky
          Marvel at its big calico depths.
          Tell me, Tom Cruise do you
          Wonder why the Dead Dog ignores you?
          Why its foobly stare
          makes you feel Hungover.
          I can tell you, it is
          Worried by your zorch facial growth
          That looks like
          A Shelly.
          What’s more, it knows
          Your Suppressive potting shed
          Smells of Me.
          Everything under the big Dead sky
          Asks why, why do you even bother?
          You only charm sewage ponds.

          • Captain Howdy

            You found the Masters stash ?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Shhh. Don’t tell anyone.

          • Are_sics

            “Your Suppressive potting shed/Smells of Me”.

            Now if that doesn’t make a tear well up in your eye…

          • FistOfXenu

            BBC VOGON Poetry generator! So THAT’S where Ron got Hymn of Asia from. His “songs” too I bet. Well at least $cientarCONonists can claim Ron isn’t to blame for how crappy his doggeral is.

        • Are_sics

          I could see where you wouldn’t want to read it, but I think i would be entertaining to listen to the attorney try, on the fly, in the television interview.

          Of course, anybody writing poetry would come up with better poems than Hubbard did, and that would be a tough thing for a true believer to face.

    • nevarmore

      “Saint Hill we have flowers and dirt paths!”.. +
      …and a faulty sewage system second to none….

  • EnthralledObserver

    Not enough evidence to do anything about it… it’s about time the authorities dug a little bit deeper than a surface glance then, innit? This shits me… when crap like this goes down, in Australia no less, then it’s a little too close to home for me. I want someone, somewhere to finally have the balls to leave and take some foolproof evidence of foul play with them! Where is my hero… where is he/she?

    • Ze Moo

      Unless the police were to raid the holding cell while the ‘prisoner’ was still pissed off about being held against his/her will, nothing can be done. Scamatology relies on this. That is why the ‘prisoner’ has to be beaten down and made as non-functional as possible. I would like to think practicing medicine without a license would apply, but legal loopholes abound for psychiatric cases. This story has been widely reported in Taiwan and Australia, the Taiwanese are becoming aware of the scam. That is probably going to be the only positive thing that comes out of this case.

      Miscavige and the other scammasters think they can expand into mainland China, I don’t think so. The communist party won’t allow yoga based falun gong to operate. They would never let CO$ take any real money out of the country.

      • Observer

        And COS, not understanding this, will start screaming “religious persecution!” and the Chinese government will look at them and say, as they did with Falun Gong, “You are a criminal organization.” And they’ll be right.

        • Missionary Kid

          The victim is from Taiwan, which is the Republic of China, and is far different than the People’s Republic of China, also known as Communist China. which banned Falun Gong.

          They were separated when the Communist revolution, led by Chairman Mao Zedong took over the mainland, and the RoC, led by Chiang Kai-shek, ended up on the island of Taiwan, also known as Formosa.

          • Observer

            Yes, I know, but I was replying to Ze Moo’s remark about Miscavige wanting to expand into mainland China.

  • By some miracle this young lady wasn’t the next Lisa McPherson. It’s disgusting and not at all shocking that $cientology’s first priority is always to cover its ass, even though its blatantly obvious to EVERYONE that they lie incessantly. Dicks.

    • Trustmeonthis

      Yet. Is she out? This is really disturbing.

      • I don’t know. Obviously the church still has a grasp on her since they took her to a notary!

  • Roger Larsson

    “Trolls for Human Rights” is the most correct denomination resuming the “good work”

    On the inside of scientology I signed a billion years contract twice, on the outside scientology declined to a parenthesis in my life. What are clears and OT’s worth? Not as much on the outside of $cientology as they are to the deluded on the inside of C of $.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      They aren’t worth anything inside either. Because there are no OT powers. It is just another Scientology LIE.

      • Roger Larsson

        So if scientologists hadn’t been out of their head they could have had an existence in the world?

        To be lower than dogs, to be equal with toilet paper, isn’t any hotshot

      • Missionary Kid

        That’s a good reason not to finish the Super Power center: there are no super powers. When the marks finally get there and discover they have none, they’ll bail.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I wonder if the perceptic’s machines will be sold at an auction? Maybe I could pick up the oiliness table and the Orbitron for a good price.
          Tell me those wouldn’t be fun to have in your home gym!

          • Missionary Kid

            Nothing will be sold for a long time. The Demented Midget wants to hold on to everything. While the church doesn’t have to pay taxes on land, there is still upkeep. In foreign countries if they can’t recruit enough bodies and money, he’ll let them declare bankruptcy. DM still has a lot of assets under all the shell corporations he’s set up.

        • But then how will Tom Cruise be at cause over oiliness?

          • Missionary Kid

            😉

        • Roger Larsson

          Scientologists’ having a faith in what they can do when they have reached the top of the bridge
          loses their religion when they are on the top of the bridge. What they could do at the bottom of the bridge they can now do at the top of the bridge. They have become professional in the feeding of a scam.

    • markyallow

      I really wish people would stop saying “billion year contract” because the entire concept is absurd. It’s a lifetime service contract. When described in those terms (I think) it’s far more chilling. Also, having a child sign a lifetime service contract is child abuse. Having them sign a Billion year contract is as stupid as signing their soul over to Jesus.

      • Sherbet

        It’s not really a lifetime service contract, marky. “Billion year contract” means the Sea Org member will keep coming back in different bodies and continue to fulfill his/her obligation. To me, that’s more chilling than devoting a lifetime. SO members have to devote all their lifetimes, until they reach a billion years. That’s more absurd, for an impressionable scn to agree to such nonsense.

        • markyallow

          It sounds insane, not chilling. Anyone who signed such a thing (IMO) should get their head examined. It’s a little like signing a Jedi contract (ha-ha! I just singed away my life for a billion years! Riiiiip! I’m going to die in about 50!”

          But a lifetime service contract. One that the organisation considers binding and has shone a propensity to harass and extort money if one changes their mind after twenty years of hard-slave labor? A lifetime service contract given to kids all of nine years old?

          We stopped making little kinds work in factories for a reason, it’s about time the cult made it to the 20th century.

          • Sherbet

            OK, it’s a question of semantics. To me it’s chilling, because it suggests brainwashing to make someone believe this baloney. To make a child believe it is even scarier.

            • markyallow

              I think the semantics are important, it’s all about transmitting an idea to the general public. When you say “they had a kid sign a billion year contract” most people say “um?- what?” It’s too outlandish and goofy to really sink in. When you say “lifetime service contract” they immediately understand.

              Saying “they had a child affix a signature to a BINDING lifetime service contract that will obligate them to 100 hour + workweeks with little or no pay and almost no practical education. Or in other words; slavery. That is not silly or foolish. It’s abusive.

            • Roger Larsson

              Darth Sidious was an evil Emperor and it’s hide and seek, kick the can, musical chairs, patty cake, stuck in the mud and such kind of games going on in scientology.

              It’s something people understand.

            • markyallow

              I’m a firm believer in the KISS principle.

            • Roger Larsson

              I associated KISS first to kissing games as spin the bottle and seven minutes in heaven, but then I saw KISS stood for “Keep it simple, stupid”

              If the director, Ron Hubbard had taken lessons from Allen Funt, the creator of “Candid Camera” he had told the actors in his show to smile because he conned them and they had left his show with a laugh.

            • HeatherGraceful

              Hehe. I have tickets to a KISS concert this week.

            • EnthralledObserver

              My hubby would be jealous… he wants to go so badly. Tried to get his son to go with him, but his son’s new wife (a female Miscavige) won’t let him leave her side. He too is brainwashed – a mini CO$ situation going on there – it’s why I sympathise and identify what is happening with CO$, I think. Narcissistic Personality Disorder – a lying liar that lies.

            • Roger Larsson

              When
              two and four legged kick, jump, p and shit on mother Earth she creates with the
              help of water and with the suns help more beautiful flowers.

              She isn’t that noble as many other mothers are.

          • Roger Larsson

            Members leaving sane groups get thanked for their made time they have spent in the
            groups with flowers, gifts and best wishes in the future.

            Insane groups rather see their members dead than as ex-members.

            Time made in scientology is not only wasted, it’s a blur in the protocol.

            Scientologists dare to make down the ones daring to make down the ones scientologists don’t
            dare to make down. Critics have the right to question scientologists’ sanity.

          • Missionary Kid

            Oh, NOOO! It’s not a cult of the 19th,, 20th, or 21st century. It’s the cult of the future. Snark.

      • Roger Larsson

        If C of $ manage to destroy peoples’ lives in a year or two, How many C of $ will the people manage to destroy? Generations are followed by generations.

      • that’s a good point.

      • FistOfXenu

        “It’s a lifetime SLAVERY contract.”

        Fixed.

  • jensting

    Aussie media doing it right, as was her family. Aussie politicians, not quite enough 🙁

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G67Ws30Wic0 Here’s Jenna Miscavige Hills interview on Coast To Coast AM, it’s nice and long. Starts at 44:30. C2C is massive exposure for her.

    • Captain Howdy

      Only problem with that is Coast To Coast is a conspiracy nut program.

      • Ms. B. Haven

        It might be true that there are a lot of conspiracy nuts listening to Coast to Coast but that’s OK. I love the show for its entertainment value. These folks doing their book tours are hitting the entire spectrum of audience from tabloid style shows to award winning news outlets like NPR. Coast to Coast listeners are now being exposed to scientology detractors who may not have been before. If the conspiracy nuts are attracted to scientology as a result, so much the better. They will feel right at home in paranoia land.

        • Captain Howdy

          You lay down with dogs…

          Last year all these “Anonymous Supports Ron Paul” videos started showing up on youtube. Obviously Anon would never support any particular candidate, let alone that whack a doo. Some of the older anons explained this nicely to these people and asked to take the videos down, which they refused. To make a long story short we made them take the videos down.

          There’s some people you definitely don’t want on your side.

        • Nancy Many got her story shown to a bunch of true-crime aficionados, which was also a weird little circle of people, but it’s all good. They all talk to each other, and they also talk to their friends and families.

          • Sherbet

            “Weird little circle of people” — I’m one of those weird people. I love me some true crime stories.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I am too. Big time.

            • See? I have my own weirdo interests, but you’ll never worm out of me which. All of us find our way to the Bunker somehow.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Robert….what makes you think Sherbet or I only have one weirdo interest?
              (well I guess I can’t speak for Sherbet).

            • Sherbet

              Next you’ll want to know “what are Sherbet’s crimes?”

      • It doesn’t matter, millions listen and Jenna made a great job of this interview.

      • liz-alice

        Maybe it is, but others listen. I used to work as a night baker. 10PM to somewhere around 6, maybe 9 in the AM. Entertainment can get scarce on the ground in the early hours and listening to Seth the Truck Driver’s Megadeath tape *again* is just not an option. C2C was not on every night, but probably 3 times a week or so. Since there are no real aliens involved, we can probably assume the really nutty listeners and hardcore c2c fanbois will not be interested.

      • The intro story (9/11 conspiracy shit) didn’t help but this was a great interview. I loved how they talked with her for quite a long time and (mostly ) kept away from the celebrity nonsense discussion.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    “Scientology, Current State of the Subject and Materials” by L. Ron Hubbard.

    This on the most recent issue of Celebrity Magazine next to TJ’s smiling (shilling) face.

    Um…”Current”?
    Dude has been dead how long?

    Freakin’ clueless.

    • Are_sics

      It’s not like there’s been any progress. Why would dude’s death make anything less current?
      (I could rant about fundamentalism in general from here. But it’s all been said on this forum).

      But I agree. To put that out on a current magazine is about as clueless as most of the publications Tony’s shared with us. It’s astounding cluelessness. ness.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Nasty Predators!

    • Observer

      Right up there with velociraptors.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Velociraptors are more warm and fuzzy.

  • Are_sics

    Isn’t the production of these notarized statements more damning than having nothing? Every time I read that they produce a statement, and affidavit, whatever, it’s clearly a case of protesting too much. Preparing. Who asks people to sign statements saying nothing happened in advance of being asked if something happened?

    Obviously people who know something has happened.

    Are these statements, like the big Superbowl ad, really meant for people who are already in and blindered? Or are they meant to convince anybody on the outside as well?

    I’ll buy it right after I pick up that bridge they’re selling.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      A mentally ill person cannot sign a legally enforceable document. At least in the US.
      Well they physically can…but it is considered VOID.

      • It depends on the form of mental illness and the severity. Most mentally ill people are fully capable of entering into legal contracts. But someone who seems to be actively undergoing a psychotic break as this young woman was certainly cannot enter into legal contracts. And if anyone, no matter their mental state, is coerced into signing something, it is void.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          True,…I should have been clearer on that.

          Oh, and anyone under 18.

    • nevarmore

      But … they ARE selling a Bridge…. I’m waiting to see the acres of swamp land in the Nevada desert come up for sale next…. ?_?

      • Are_sics

        I don’t think they’re going to market a “swamp to total freedom”. Wherever the location.
        Of course I could be wrong. Never know what might turn up in the archives.

  • Observer

    On one hand I’m glad that TD is out and enjoying at least a semblance of a normal life, probably for the first time ever. It was his idiot mother who got him in when he was still a minor, so he’s had a lifetime of conditioning.

    On the other hand I want to smack some sense into him. This shocking and shameful–and CRIMINAL–treatment of this poor Taiwanese girl is exactly the kind of thing he defended vocally for years and is still protecting with his silence.

    When is someone in the judicial system going to rule that Scn’s NDAs are unenforceable because the “church” is imposing them under duress and with bribery, and for the sole purpose of covering up criminal acts? LRH’s foul taint continues to destroy minds and lives. It makes me sick.

  • Observer

    Another thing that fills me with contempt and disgust: Scn, in the form of Anne “Why yes, you DO look brainwashed” Archer sidling up and trying to insinuate herself into Hollywood success with her little Artists for Human Rights shindig. Is Rebecca Richman Cohen associated with Scn in any way? If not I imagine she has no idea what kind of people she’s dealing with. I doubt anyone who has done true humanitarian work would knowingly lend her name to a front group of a cult rife with human rights abuses.

    Aaaarrrrrgh!

    • markyallow

      One of may favorite bits from the cult produced Panorama Exposed and Sweeney’s response pieces.

      Ann Archer; “Do I look brainwashed to you?”

      Sweeney; [silence]

      Ann Archer “HOW DARE YOU!”

      I mean – that silence and Ann’s outburst made the whole thing snap into focus. More than TD’s screaming fits (which were staged anyway) and Sweeney’s tomato explosion which was just “good tellie” according to Mole his producer. Ann’s response was genuine and, yes, that makes her look brainwashed.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        It also showcased her bad acting skills.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      This is nothing more than a PR schmooze due to the Garcia lawsuit and other bad press.

      Many artists over the years have dreamed up their own humanitarian or charity projects which are always disapproved if the recipient wasn’t the COS. Always except for major PR disasters causing plummeting income, customers, staff or a
      combination.

      You can figure out just how damaging by who they trot out, location, timing of the event. If any wog person or group will acrually receive $$$, you know it’s a scientology “Hill 10”, which is as bad as it gets.

  • Sid Snakey

    I wonder Tommy, will you ever do the decent thing and speak out?

    Nah, I didn’t think you would.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You mean Tommy “The Isolation Room Does Not Exist”? That Tommy?
      Tommy could care less about anyone but Tommy.

      • HeatherGraceful

        I think the exact quotation was, “There is no isolation as you’re describing it.”

    • I’m waiting to see what happens with him in another year or two. It seems to take most ex-Scientologists some time to be able to start thinking in any normal way, rather than with L. Ron Hubbard’s twisty, purposefully opaque language.

  • Patty Moher

    ABC video is up.

    Completely disgusted by this. What Scn does to this mentally ill woman, after they find out that ABC has interviewed her family, is pure fucking evil.

    http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2013/s3698162.htm

    • Captain Howdy

      Looking at this poor woman’s condition I’m amazed she was even able to sign her name let alone concoct that statement. Her family should have been keeping a closer eye on her.

      • Sherbet

        As a notary, I have the obligation to be sure the person signing is not under duress. In fact, the official language assures that it is “the free act and deed” of the person whose signature I’m notarizing. A distressed woman accompanied by two handlers and a dubious cover-your-a$$ document — it all adds up to coercion.

        • Missionary Kid

          The notary was probably a $cion. 3L: Lying Liars that Lie Being a notary doesn’t stand in their way to lie.

          Why should a $cion notary follow wog rules? None of the NARCOcrap people do.

        • Dean Fox

          It would be worth chasing up the notary in question.

      • villagedianne

        I guess the family did not want to lock her up the way COS (allegedly) did. I can understand that.

        • Captain Howdy

          I didn’t say they should lock her up. What I meant was they shouldn’t leave her alone at home or wherever so that 2 sci goons could grab her and take her for a trip.

          • Trustmeonthis

            She is in the sea org in a completely different country. She was probably fine when she joined.

          • HeatherGraceful

            Easily said. Which of the family gets to give up work to care for her?

            • Captain Howdy

              If there’s no one to stay home and take care of her than she should probably be placed in an institution.

      • Kookaburra

        She didn’t concoct that statement.

    • CoolHand

      At a loss for words, except that there is no low they won’t stoop to to try and cover up their own crimes.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Agreed. The call it “handling a flap”.

    • The most unbelievable testimony from a lawyer I have ever seen. What a sleazeball.

      • LisaIsRemembered

        His beady little eyes darting around totally freaked me out.

  • koki

    the Greatest Reality Show Ever…
    Big hello from LRHs Bulgravia.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    As usual, Miscavige wins to lose. Taiwanese are a very tight knit community. He can cross off another country ripe for raping and pillaging.

    Hubbard died hiding his golden bounty in a trailer where he reigned mighty and mad. There were few countries left on Planet Teegeack who wouldn’t love to get their hands on his ass.

    How many countries does Miscavige have left today, other than Washington, D.C.?

    • Missionary Kid

      You’re right about the Taiwanese, but Co$ is probably taking every opportunity to whisk people away to a foreign country with a different language and customs. As long as Co$ can operate in the stealth mode and avoid publicity in Taiwan, they’ll keep operating.

      The more publicity that can be generated in Taiwan about this case, the quicker Co$ will be out of stealth mode.

    • Snippy_X

      Too many.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Where is John P. Capitalist?
    Did he get permission to take vacations?

    • sugarplumfairy

      It’s Fashion Week in Milan.. The supermodels are probably keeping him busy..

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I should probably know this kind of stuff!
        Thanks SPF.

    • Chocolate Velvet

      He’s off managing Capital, probably. 😉 Our man JohnP is a busy guy…

    • John P.

      I am surprised and humbly delighted that you missed me. A quick vacation away from Global Capitalism HQ enjoying some serious winter wonderland with Supermodel #1. She wisely does not allow internet connectivity on these adventures; it’s probably good for me to leave my obsessive/compulsive 24×7 work habits behind every once in a while. Dragging back into the office this morning was a miserable experience; getting caught up meant I missed this morning’s story… Back in the saddle tomorrow morning…

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        A little wake up music for tomorrow morning…

        http://youtu.be/BZqRL7nJB48

        • John P.

          “Back in the Saddle Again” is one classic cowboy western song that expresses life at Global Capitalism HQ. Another one is the classic Ennio Morricone theme to the greatest spaghetti Western of all time. I particularly like this version, which captures the danger, the insanity and the unbridled self-importance of people living on the capitalist frontier. Worth the almost 7 minutes to watch the entire thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KhZo3sYQho

          • sugarplumfairy

            Hah! I’m a ukulele freak.. That was great..

      • DodoTheLaser

        We, in a Big Pharma, are not amused when John P. takes unauthorized vacations.
        Seriously though, I find your posts educational and funny, John. Thank you.

      • We missed you, JP, but I’m sure your romping with the super models was more fun than reading my tirade of comments at the Oscars live blog. Welcome back.

  • sugarplumfairy

    And history continues to repeat itself.. Co$ and it’s lawyers are such f*cking bastards.. Think of the poor people who try to escape who don’t have supportive families to sound the alarm..

    • AstroLadyBoy

      This story has a hell of a long way to go,, to being even near told. The authorities in both countries know what’s up, and have known for a while. This story is not the first (though the first to be told), and it won’t be the last. The question is: when will the authorities take it seriously.
      The day we see CoS get held to account is a hell of a while off (despite Xenophon). THAT is the infuriating reality.

      • sugarplumfairy

        But what a day that will be..

        • AstroLadyBoy

          Sugar, Jan Eastlake, Fair Work report. These guys have been investigated. This young Taiwanese lady spent months in a mental hospital. Australian Federal Police ‘investigated’. This is just more of the same bullshit. Cult has dirty and faar reaching powerful hands. Mabey there are things going on behind the scenes, but from what I can see, they are a long way from being fronted up to by the AFP and other government bodies (as evidenced by the Fair Work Australia backdown).

          • sugarplumfairy

            Oh, Astro, I agree completely.. I was just commenting to your “the day we see co$ held to account..” You’re right.. It may be a while off, but it will be a great day..

          • Captain Howdy

            I was wondering what happened to Jan Eastgate ? Does she still have her job or is she in the Hole for embarrassing poor Davey ?

            • AstroLadyBoy

              America? She’s not in an Aus jail where she belongs, unfortunately.

        • DodoTheLaser

          And it’s coming.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Dodo!!! Love you..

            • DodoTheLaser

              You know it’s mutual! 🙂 Big hugs

    • Blue Kookaburra

      That is why they have a disconnection policy.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Yep..

  • LOL on the image of the scientologist talking loudly on her cell at the hair salon, and spilling the beans about Tommy. 1950s UFO cult meet 1950s communication methods.

    • AstroLadyBoy

      Sunny, you are too succinct.
      A cult acronym lover felt comfortable to yabber cult acronyms and Scien-happening updates around his/her hairdresser and it so happens there was a pair of ears flapping and now it’s on Tony’s blog which is watched by a thousand or two daily. Oh suck it Valley Girl/Boy.

      • AstroLadyBoy

        Don’t even know if the Valley thing is relevant but I’m just hearing Frank Zappa now.

        • Captain Howdy

          “Scientology, how about that? You hold on to the tin cans and then
          this guy asks you a bunch of questions, and if you pay enough money you
          get to join the master race. How’s that for a religion?”
          – Frank Zappa

          • AstroLadyBoy

            Lmao, I never heard that quote!! Good old Frank!!

            • Captain Howdy

              “A Token of My Extreme”, by Frank Zappa, is a song on the 1979 concept album Joe’s Garage [Part II].The main character from this triple-album rock-opera has his mind messed-up by Lucille then “finally does something smart” and “pays a lot of money to L. Ron Hoover and the First Church of Appliantology.”

              http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?15177-Frank-Zappa-and-Scientology

            • AstroLadyBoy

              Oh didn’t realise was from the track. Yeah heard a while ago, very clever, god Frank was ahead of his times in many ways wasn’t he.

          • aquaclara

            I like this one better. “Scientology, how about that? You learn all our acronyms and you can chatter away with your friends at the coffee shop or hair salon and NO ONE will know what you’re talking about! Better than Pig Latin, this is!”

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              Es-yay!

  • Vistaril

    Thank you Australia’s ABC TV – Lateline programme and Aussie Legend Steve Cannane. Love and greetings to Alice Wu and family.

    http://youtu.be/97M2GNYoeFk

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Reread Gibson’s slippery statement. Taken as a whole, he didnt deny she was isolated. He just argued the Definition of “isolation Room”.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      He also noted twice about his “instructions”.

      • RMycroft

        He’s a lawyer and has to carry out his client’s instructions, but somehow I bet he’s thinking “God, sometimes I really hate being a lawyer!”

        • grundoon

          He’s crying all the way to the bank.

      • DodoTheLaser

        He sure did, he probably felt he shouldn’t take the job at that point. Can’t blame him for that.

    • PlainOld Thetan

      Tony: the word “isolation” is used in several ways
      in Scientology writings.

      The first way is in connection with the Introspection Rundown (when the person is in a psychotic break) as documented in HCO BULLETIN OF 20 FEBRUARY 1974: INTROSPECTION RD, ADDITIONAL ACTIONS

      ISOLATION

      In a person in a psychotic break, it is necessary to isolate them for them to destimulate and to protect them and others from possible damage. While in isolation the person receives the Introspection RD done flawlessly on a short-session basis, gradiently winning and gaining confidence. Between sessions the muzzled rule is in force. No one speaks to the person or in his hearing.

      There comes a point where the C/S must decide to release the person from isolation. To do this the C/S must know that the person can take responsibility for his actions as regards others, as well as toward himself.

      Another way is in the Sea Org, when a person is deemed by an MD or Medical Liaison Officer to have a contagious disease: a cold or the flu.

      The person is put in “iso”, which purpose is to isolate him from the non-sick Sea Org members, until he is well enough to return to work. By putting the person in iso it is hoped that he won’t infect
      the other over-hard working Sea Org members. It’s not to isolate the person from all others, as there are usually other Sea Org members in iso and auditors come to iso to give the ill person assists. The MLO also makes daily or twice daily visits to fill out his “malingerers report”.

      The irony of iso…and hospitals in general…is that if you put all the sick people in one room they can infect each other and NEVER get well.

      “Iso” is documented in Sea Org tech like Flag Orders and OODs and stuff like that so I don’t have a direct publicly available reference for you on that.

      Another way a person can be “isolated” is documented in the Book of Case Remedies under REMEDY NP. In this case, the person being audited is “continually overrestimulated despite effective auditing” and the person “gets more restimulated by usual environment than auditing can stay even with”. In that case the case supervisor is to “advise change of residence and no work during period of intensive”.
      Again, not isolated from everyone. Just everyone you’re used to seeing every day. Like your family.

      So the “official response” to the isolation question is…in question.

      Just like the church’s response to questions about disconnection, the church lies when it suits their ends.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Because then it would be practicing medicine without a license. The entire core of scientology’s profit is about illegally practicing medicine without a license. Oh, I mean it used to be. Now, it’s just cash for casualty causes without disclosing receipts, interrogation torture, slave labor, fake deadly drug rehabs and touching walls over and over until you go certifiable.

        There is a third form of isolation that is used first and foremost on All: isolated from family, friends, tv, internet, news, books, radio, and sometimes, even a blue sky. And that is How this poor young woman ended up in the last hole, the Isolation Room.

      • Kookaburra

        In Alice’s case, she was in a locked room with guards.

        • RMycroft

          I’m surprised that she was kept at the org. I thought after Lisa McPherson that they made rules that Isolation Rundowns were only to be done off-site? (A FLAG rule only?)

    • DodoTheLaser

      So true, thank you, THDNE.
      Anyone who was on staff and especially in the sea org KNOWS about “Iso”lation room for sick.
      And in case with psychotic break or what they call (PTS) Type 3 cases, – people do get literally
      isolated until they hopefully get stable again. Introspection Rundown is optional, vitamins and calmag are not. Then, they are quietly send away. It’s all PR control. No scientologist would want to know such “entheta”,
      because the tech supposed to work and make clears and ots – super rational, sane people..

  • BosonStark

    Alice Wu’s (name from ABC Australia’s website, video and transcript) story is
    horrifying. Half of these Sea Org people in Australia are from Taiwan?
    With their explosive expansion, how could that be, except if they’re
    virtually trapping these young people in droves, by isolating these
    Taiwanese people in Australia for the Scientology slave force?

    The implications of this story are far reaching in that, what if this
    young girl, who wanted to leave, was given the usual security checking
    and other processes and she had a massive mental breakdown, including
    physical symptoms, all because of Scientology?

    Also, after she cut her hand, and went to the hospital, the hospital
    decided she had a mental illness. Then she was sent back to Taiwan — a
    shuffling shell of the person she was — how could Scientologists escort
    her in to sign a notarized document? Didn’t they force her to sign the
    usual BS when she left the Sea Org?

    If there were ever a situation where Scientology would swoop in with
    $5M or so to get the family to sign off on something so this wouldn’t
    blow up in their faces, it seems like this would have been it, but to
    take the girl behind the family’s back and make her sign something?

    We all know that most of the young people who get get enthralled with
    Scientology, and end up signing their billion year contract find out
    the Sea Org is NOT AT ALL what they expected.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      scientologists told hospitwl staff she was bonkers, if I recall from WWP posts correctly, remember wfat thet did when lisa was brought in?

      • BosonStark

        It says in the video, she was “diagnosed” at the hospital.

        I think many people who join the Sea Org do so not because they are willing to do anything for Scientology, but instead as a way of continuing their processing or training, when they don’t have funds, while they think what will be helping others, being certain, and not having to make choices.

        They envision themselves becoming trained auditors or getting lots of auditing themselves. Then, when they get there, it is just discipline, long work hours and anything fun there was about Scientology is gone.

        • “It says in the video, she was “diagnosed” at the hospital.”

          If scientologists told staff she was bonkers, that wouldn’t be a formal diagnosis, so there’s no contradiction. I’d certainly hope the hospital wouldn’t just take their word for it.

    • HeatherGraceful

      She left the Sea Org in an ambulance. No time to get her to sign anything.

      My sources tell me that only about 5% of SO in Sydney are Australian. About 60% are Asian, mostly Taiwanese. The other 35% are from Europe and the Americas.

    • RMycroft

      If this is the same story, she wasn’t just sent back to Taiwan, she had to call home to be rescued after she was outside of direct Scientology control.

      https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/young-girl-imprisoned-beaten-and-abused-in-sea-org-headquarter-dundas-australia.104880/

    • Good observation about how in the world did Scientologists take her to an office to sign documents. The video shows her mother wiping her mouth for her, and another relative chaperoning her just to walk. Something just doesn’t add up here.

      • N. Graham

        Sad, but true. IMO There are definitely pieces of the puzzle missing. Something more catastrophic than just being scammed into servitude by Scientology (not that that’s not bad enough), but some kind of physical trauma.

    • Ze Moo

      Alice’s story may be much more innocent then presented. The video of her from Taiwan shows the type of impairment that someone with schizophrenia and under fairly heavy medication might exhibit. Her age puts her in the prime years for developing schizophrenia and the ‘treatment’ that Australian CO$ gave her would really exacerbate any pre-conditions that she might have had.

      Please note that diagnosing any medical condition on the basis of having watched the patient on a video is as ‘quackalicious’ as treating mental problems with vitamins and niacin. Isolating someone with mental problems is a very bad idea from a treatment standpoint. Alice almost became the next Lisa McPherson. The co$ crime in this instance is practicing medicine without a license or brain or any compassion. That’s Lron for you…..

  • Vistaril

    I wonder where Jan Eastgate (AKA Janice Meyer) is these days. Who? You know, the International President of Scientology front group the Citizens’ Commission for Human Rights who was arrested, charged and appeared in court over accusations of her role in covering up child sexual abuse within Scientology. Yeah, her. Will she also be going to Anne’s wee soirée?

  • Dean Fox

    Interesting overheard conversation, especially the last bit’ does that mean they’re out of the church of scientology or just out of the sea org?

    Also, wasn’t the scilon guilty of “nattering”, shouldn’t a KR be submitted? =:>

    Sad story re young woman, just shows the church of scientology hasn’t changed at all.

    • AstroLadyBoy

      I think a KR’s been well n truly submitted and published by Tony. Maybe that’s not what you meant. All this crazy Stasi reporting gets confusing. I know SOMETHING got reported by Tony, the original natterer is probably getting hunted down and reported right now. Oh ain’t that lovely. . . . .2013 .. LA, in the USA. Cheers Scientology, you Stalin Russia Commie freaks.

  • The only “Hill” that ever meant anything worthwhile in Britain, was BENNIE Hill.

    • Espiando

      Method One Word Clear all popular British comedians of the 1960s and 1970s, please. Then you’ll find that the gentleman’s first name was spelled “B-E-N-N-Y”.

    • Funnily enough I bumped into him walking down Piccadilly the day before he died…. his face was bright pink…. really bright pink

      • Bennie Hill was such an under-appreciated comedian. He did such lovely accents and mimicry.

        • Trustmeonthis

          I guess it’s another thing that’s different for girls.

  • Jefferson Hawkins

    Scientology “supports human rights” as long as it is a vague generality and is “over there” somewhere. And as long as all they have to do is throw a minimal amount of money at it to generate the illusion of being “for human rights.” Their main “human rights” activity (outside of their paranoid and self-serving attack on psychiatry) is to distribute copies of the U.N. Declaration on Human Rights, printed on their in-house presses. This gives a nice illusion of doing something without actually doing anything. You won’t find them advocating for actual human rights victims, taking up specific examples of human rights abuses, lobbying for legislation to protect human rights victims or any of that. That would be actual work and their lawyers and PR people are far too busy for that. Too busy, in fact, denying and covering up Scientology’s own actual human rights abuses. I think rank and file Scientologists probably mean well. They like to feel good by supporting filmmakers like Cohen. Good for them,. But they also have a willful blindness when it comes to the actual human rights abuses of their Church, and it is long past the time when any Scientologist can honestly claim they “knew nothing about the abuses.”

    • AstroLadyBoy

      Jeff, you’re so spot on when you say they don’t take up any person’s cause in particular. It’s such a glaring hole in a landscape of professed caring about ‘people’s human rights’. Such a vague and oft repeated concern. Yet never any specific cases seem to warrant comment/activism. EVER.
      Who are you campaigning/attributing your resources to CoS? How? Tell us about that campaign!!!!!

      • AstroLadyBoy

        So a person bothers to make a ‘down vote’, well please just correct the statement. Make your point via a post proving my statement wrong. Please do, I’m really interested in knowing HOW my observation is wrong. Please provide examples. (Yes, obviously I’m a cynic and will doubt any pro-Church statement, but at the least correct me when I say “I’ve NEVER seen CoS champion a particular cause” – not natural disasters btw.)

        • It could be a mistake. I often click on the vote arrows without meaning to. I hope I catch all the ones that are mistakes, particularly downvotes, but I might miss some. I can’t be the only one. (Right?)

          I would also like to see some proof of actual good stuff the cult does. Nazanin Boniadi, EX-Scientologist, does some good work for Amnesty International — I doubt she’d be able to if she were still a Scientologist.

          • Are you kidding? Scientology would LOVE to have an ‘in’ with Amnesty Int. It would be perfect ‘cloaking’. “See, we are SO against false imprisonment we are even a part of Amnesty!”
            They may even be doing it already.

            • Scientology would love the “in”. But Amnesty International would not let them.

            • That could be, depending on how they ‘vet’ members. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s how Naz got involved in the first place. Anyone know?

            • AstroLadyBoy

              Be interesting to get others’ (scien/ex scien) perpectives on this. Also rules for celeb and non-celeb engagement with other charities (most particularly those that cross over into the church’s markets eg human rights).

          • AstroLadyBoy

            Well maybe lol, yeah. On the subject of voting, I just upvote everything (because 95% of the time I can’t be bothered posting, though I don’t read the comments everyday). If I don’t upvote it’s either because I can’t be bothered or I don’t entirely agree. The down vote is a very sparingly used censure and I have to feel extremely strongly to pull it out – and it’s never hit by accident, infact I usually really deliberate on whether it’s warranted and fair, even after i hit ‘down’ if it gnaws at me, I go back and change it. So, the concept of carelessness when striking the arrows is foreign to me lol! ..But maybe I’m strange Lliira hahaha,

            Edit: I’ve never known or heard of a scientologist working for Amnesty. Can you imagine Nazanin volunteering there while a church member? They’d be acting like a jelous lover till she caved and dumped Amnesty – guilting her and making her feel like she was betraying them and there was something wrong with her for wanting to throw her efforts behind a human rights cause other than the church’s causes. And they’d punish her unless she dumped Amnesty. My guess anyway.

            • It’s not carelessness in my case, it’s disability. Sometimes I’m scrolling down and my hand shakes and click. And I think people on phones and such would have a harder time too.

            • AstroLadyBoy

              Lliira you can tell me if it was you.

            • AstroLadyBoy

              Jks 🙂

            • mouseyhair

              I accidentally hit a down vote once and someone explained to me how to fix it. So maybe it was a newbie like me who accidentally hit the down button and ran away not knowing how to fix it!! We can hope it was innocent anyways!

            • It wasn’t me :P. I’d be able to undo it if it were. One of your upvotes on that is mine.

              I guess I just can’t imagine why someone would purposefully downvote yours and not be downvoting everyone else’s.

            • AstroLadyBoy

              I assumed it was a defensive clam.

            • Ziontologist

              I agree with Jeff Hawkins that the rank and file probably mean well, but, in this Internet age, there has to be some willful ignorance.
              When I was in Scientology, in the 70’s, I had plenty of wins and felt I really got something out of it. But I left as soon as it became intolerably controlling, so I didn’t stay in as long or spend as much as many others did.
              When ex-Scientologists are vilified as a group, I am always willing to throw down and call bullshit. For example, equating someone’s past involvement in Scientology with narcissism is a cheap shot. Intellectually, it’s a cop out; a quick conclusion reached by the mentally incompetent.
              But my opinions of rank and file Scientologists are based on my participation over 30 years ago … as far as I’m concerned, the scam of Scientology and the “upper levels” died with the invention of the Internet, and it’s hard for me to imagine anyone who would still bother with it, at this point …
              Like Richard Lewis tweeted during the Superbowl, “Scientology is still a thing?”
              They just haven’t run out of money yet! And they have to be careful how they spend it now, with so many eyes watching them. Thanks to people like TO, and everyone else exposing their lies.

            • villagedianne

              “They’d be acting like a jealous lover”. Exactly. LOL!

            • Ze Moo

              You would think CO$ would encourage cross organization work. Some well known clam who also puts in time the Amnesty International would be 2x the cults exposure. They just can’t share ‘credit’ with anyone else.

            • HeatherGraceful

              LOL, another down vote.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I know…Its getting funny now.
              We must have a clam that is pissed off about this news from OZ!

              Down arrows are so passive aggressive.
              Aren’t clams supposed to confront and shatter?

            • AstroLadyBoy

              The funny part too is this sidetrack now seems like I’m wigged at being down voted – it was actually outrage at the refusal to show how cos contribute to human rights, (other than banging on about the Declaration on Human Rights.) So that really pressed my button!

            • AstroLadyBoy

              I know haha – Who would have thought the down votes could produce such a rollercoaster of emotions in me today!

          • N. Graham

            “I would also like to see some proof of actual good stuff the cult does.” Me too! Now if Tommy Davis was still around, he would mention going (sneaking in) to disaster sites, giving out “touch assists,” saunas, niacin and The Way to Happiness, the hypocritically named booklet. He would smarmingly make it sound much more important than the way I just said it. Just by tone and inflection of voice, Tommy D. could make one become aware that quack medical cures that prevent or delay proper medical treatments and Scientology’s version of happiness are much more valuable than life itself. It is ludicrous to say these theta upper-level beings are blocking the way of volunteers actually helping put out fires, treat injured, and maybe donating actual valuable items such as food. With all respect to Mr. Rinder and other Scio spokespeople, I think Tommy Davis was Scientology’s Joseph Goebbels, when Mr. Davis disappeared was when I felt the joyride might be over soon.

    • monkeyknickers

      Borrowing the awesome word from Marina Hyde of the UK Guardian, human rights violations are simply another “tragitunity” for the CoS.

      • Johan

        Fantastic

    • Ms. B. Haven

      All of these gatherings, briefings or whatever you want to call them are just another thinly disguised fundraising opportunity. (If they aren’t a fundraising opportunity they are a recruiting opportunity.) Since there is no specific target to be assisted, it is just more money into the coffers that will go, who knows where. For those scientologists in the trenches it might be a feel good thing to contribute to something that supposedly helps others, but we should all perform our due diligence when making contributions to any non-profit group. A legitimate group will be able to provide the appropriate documentation to back their claims of service. You can then be reasonably assured that your hard earned money will help others instead of lining the pockets of a scam artist. Scientology will never provide such documentation. Even requesting the documentation will earn one a nice trip to their friendly ethics officer so the counter intention can be rooted out.

    • dwayners13

      I thought violating your human rights was just scientology’s way on initiating you into the Sea Org. It’s like hazing freshmen or rookies, it helps the new members have a bonding experience. I think I crossed that line again, it’s really getting to be more of a habit than occasional thing.

  • 1subgenius

    Man, that Scientology lawyer was bad.
    When asked whether she could have been leaned on to sign the statement, he didn’t deny it.
    And then just kept saying that what he was saying was per his instructions.
    And he was hideous looking.

  • 1subgenius

    Isolation is not a derogatory term. It may be derogatory to claim that someone put someone in isolation, but the term has no connotation otherwise.
    Bizarre. My guess is that the lawyer got his instructions somewhat bolluxed.

    • scnethics

      We would prefer you call the room where we isolate people, “sick bay”. That would be more respectful. Thanks.

    • Unex Skcus

      “bolluxed” ??? That is derogatory! 🙂

  • Of course I think if you really wanted to rattle Archer and co you could shout out things like “are you Suri’s grandmother?”…. “How come Katie Holmes daughter looks more like your son than she does Tom Cruise?” …… just sayin’

    BTW – Disqus pic upload is not working….. here’s what I tried to upload http://grab.by/kbVM

    • BuryTheNuts2

      And that is a fact!
      Big time.

    • aquaclara

      these pictures show an amazing resemblance between the two. So observant, media lush. Love your observations….

    • AstroLadyBoy

      I agree she looks like Tommy, esp as she gets older. However every “Tommy” feature I see in Suri could just as easily be coming from Katie.

      • I’ve studies hundreds of these… I think it’s the arch of the eye lid that is identical

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Upper lip… and its distance from nose.
          Eyebrow shape.
          Ear shape.
          Face shape.
          Hairline.

          Can you tell I have been studying these for a while too!

          • AstroLadyBoy

            Chin too.

        • AstroLadyBoy

          Even before seeing your post today, I stared at Tommy above and thought “My god, they’re identical, it’s beyond striking now”. However, frustratingly, I don’t think it can be definitively stated to be Tommy’s genes because Katie looks so similar.

    • DodoTheLaser

      I agree on the whole resemblance Lush, but it would be more fair to make a collage of pics that includes not just Suri and Tommy, but also Tom and Katie. Or just a DNA test results.

      Also, I am not sure why all of this matters either way. If Tom is sterile and Tommy is Suri’s biological Dad, I suppose it will make big headlines for a week or two and make TC look even less OT.

      If Tom is Suri’s biological father, it is what it is. In the grand scheme of things, I don’t think either matters much.
      I don’t really care to know about people’s (including celebrities) personal affairs to such an intimate level. I think everyone deserves a little privacy. With that in mind, it’s more important to me why the fuck Tom Cruise is being such a tool and a douche ignoring all of the abuses at the Int Base and elsewhere.

      I do appreciate your input very much though and we had some laughs together here, don’t be discouraged by what I wrote above, please. Just my Dodo thoughts.

  • BosonStark

    St. Hill is, where you bring your money to unload it on a bunch of Scientology cuckoo. Don’t miss the Monkey Mural — your life will never be the same as you gaze on the same monkeys that Ron gazed on.

  • Ze Moo

    The fact that CO$ Australia has to import Taiwanese to run their scam is incredible. I vaguely remember a census claiming around 1500 total scientologists in Australia. Not exactly ‘straight up and vertical’ growth is it? They must have some well heeled whales in Australia, 1500 clams can’t be spending enough to keep the ideal orgs open. Throw some more clams on the barbie, the current batch is done. Co$ is near a real total collapse in Oz.

    • If there are 1500 total scientologists in Australia, and half of them are Taiwanese, that leaves only 750 Australian citizens as clams.

      • AstroLadyBoy

        I think the counting as clams means Aus citizens/residents, not folk on visas, however I do wonder if scientology has worked out ways to inflate this stuff on the census forms. (The forms are to be filled out ONE per household. Every person present in that particular house,on census night , whether they are a visitor or resident must be listed – incl details such as name, and citizenship status)

      • Ze Moo

        I think it was a census type of report and it only included Australian citizens. Trying to guess how many active clams are present is a thankless task. With a total population of 22.5 million, 1500 is a very paltry number. How effective is the auditing brain wash if the auditor barely speaks English?

        With large numbers of eastern European clams showing up and working at Clearwater Florida, are American clams getting poor brain washing, I mean auditing services in the US?

      • HeatherGraceful

        The census counts people present in Australia, including tourists. Just under 2200 in 2011. Most of those are Aussies.

        The references to half being Taiwanese are referring to the Sea Org staff in Sydney.

    • AstroLadyBoy

      Hahaha more clams on the barbie! The 2011 census counted near 2200 (13% less than in 2007), They have one ‘Ideal Org’ (Melbourne: empty), Sydney is next to open (been fundraising for ever and promised to open for ever, but it will open sometime in the coming years). After that, the folks in Melbourne and Sydney are expected to keep fundraising and sacrificing ($) so their brothers and sisters can set up Ideal Orgs in at least 3 other capital cities. It’s taken FOREVER to get Melbourne, and Sydney (near?) completion. (They are Australia’s most populated cities too.) The regging has a long way to go before Aus is full of Ideal Orgs. It’s gonna be a really, really, really looong haul. If they stop importing Taiwanese they’ll go extinct quickly.This is true..

  • 0tessa

    Sea Org people: ruthless people.
    They would rather have you dead than out of Scientology.
    The danger of Scientology cannot be overstressed.
    The worst of it is known to a few. It is hardly confrontable.

  • SandiCorrena

    Did it strike anyone that the lawyer, upon saying those are my instructions, is scared and wants away from them himself?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      YES.

    • AstroLadyBoy

      He looked terrified and out of his depth.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        He could barely stay sitting in his seat. Thought a few times he would slide off. Frantically looks down at the floor for answers, like OSA left him cheat sheets of “acceptable truths”. Definitely missing the Moxon HeebyJeeby vacant stare. Wanna bet he’ll be replaced by Thurs at 2pm?

        • AstroLadyBoy

          Totally gone.

    • Unex Skcus

      Trying to cover his slimy butt, no doubt.

    • DeElizabethan

      Actually I’m surprised he said that since he’s defending himself. Attorney’s are mouth-pieces aren’t they? They’re paid to say what the client wants. It’s the client who is the real slime. I’m not defending him, but they found someone who was probably broke.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        I doubt he’s broke, but he is definitely out of his depth and quite bizarre. I wonder how long before he checks himself into rehab and becomes incommunicado.

  • RMycroft

    I believe this is the same story, and the last part is worrisome:

    “This is what happened. My sister Alisa joined a religion — Scientology.
    She went to Australia using religious reasons. Three months later, my
    sister called home. She told us that she was imprisoned, beaten and
    abused in a Scientology base. She needed us there to rescue her.
    Unbelievable! We first thought it was one of the fake kidnapping
    schemes that cheats ransom money out of us. But it was no doubt my
    sister. She was sent to a hospital because of serious injuries. The
    Australian medical system isolated her from Scientologists, so she had
    the chance to call home for help.

    First, we asked for help from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Taiwan.
    The Ministry staff pointed out that on average, an incident occurs every
    three months when parents come looking for their children. These
    children all went to Scientology in Australia, and mostly disappeared.”

    Every. Three. Months?

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/young-girl-imprisoned-beaten-and-abused-in-sea-org-headquarter-dundas-australia.104880/

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Yes, that’s the one, from September 2012 (post date). Her brother said she did not appear to him to have mental problems. She wanted to leave after 3 months experience in the SO, was abused and locked up and went to the hospital for physical reasons. I’m just not clear if she was at the same hospital later in a psych unit or a different hospital. But she told hospital staff she was being held against her will.

      “Later, I came across anti-Scientology groups. Nearly all of them
      ex-followers escaped from Scientology. With their help, I went to the
      unfamiliar Australia with connections. But my sister went to a
      psychiatric hospital. Although in my opinion, apart from the physical
      wounds, she has no mental problems. Australia’s mental health care
      system is very strict, not easily allowing patients to be discharged. My
      sister stayed in the hospital under observation for nearly two months.
      So I checked into the home of an ex-Scientologist, commuting to visit my
      sister almost every day. I also listened to an ex-Scientologist, once
      trapped inside for more than 10 years, for a lot of inhumane treatments
      inside. During the hospital stay the Australian Federal Police came to
      take note. I’m back now after two months.”

      What I would like to see from any medical institutions she was in is if someone told the med staff that she was mentally ill and if so, how did they identify themselves? Do they have name and contact info so the family can determine if they were scientologists or hired by or influenced in any way by scientology.

      What always gets me down about these stories is that for every one the public gets to hear about, there are many more that don’t. You have to wonder, iIs it 10 or 100 or 1000 more? It’s exactly the same kind of feeling when you turn on a light and see a cockroach. Then you start wondering.

      • Kookaburra

        It all started when Alice decided she wanted to leave the SO. She was extremely traumatized when she arrived at the hospital, having spent weeks locked up in isolation and been injured in her escape attempt. The hospital was told by someone from OSA that Alice had tried to commit suicide. She was also instructed to lie and tell the hospital that she had been “reaching for the stars”. At first she was treated for trauma and made good progress in the hospital, getting pretty much back to normal. Then another psychiatrist got on the case and took OSA’s information to diagnose Alice as Schizophrenic and treated her with massive doses of Seroquol to make the “delusions” go away. The result of that is what you see on the video. She has not been on the drug for about 9 months now, but has not recovered from the damage. She cannot think, which is very frustrating for her. Seroquol can cause symptoms of Schizophrenia. I do not believe she had the illness prior to being given that drug.

        • EnthralledObserver

          If true this is very disturbing… especially that the authorities apparently can’t find any definitive proof of ‘lawbreaking’.

          • Blue Kookaburra

            The problem was that she had initially agreed to go there. That made
            the human trafficking case very weak. As far as the imprisonment and
            assault went, there was no longer a witness as she is too brain damaged
            to testify. That and the cold crime scene because the original visit
            by police was passed off as a suicide attempt, so they didn’t
            investigate further at the time.

            Well, one thing that happened
            is immediately after this investigation the attorney general drafted
            changes in the law which broaden and clarify the definitions of human
            trafficking and put these to parliament. They are now somewhere around
            their third reading in the senate, so soon enough the legislation is
            growing teeth. So that is something at least.

        • AnyOldName1

          Thanks for the explanation. It didn’t make sense how Alice seemed to be okay initially then sunk so far so fast.
          You were so wonderful to help this young woman and her family like you did. You and the other Awesome Aussies are just, well, AWESOME!!!

          • Kookaburra

            You are welcome. I just hope we can get some justice for this girl and her family.

  • Unex Skcus

    “More Taiwanese than Australians at the Dundas Co$”… LOL. And that lawyer, Stuart Gibson, what a creep.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Wait a sec. That Celeb issue is recent? The “Scientology, current state of the subject and materials” issue is about:

    “There are perhaps 15 levels above OT VII fully developed but existing only in unissued note form, pending more people’s full attainment of OT VI & VII.”

    Miscavige is dangling the nonexistent OT Levels above 8 again, at this time when the natives are restless about still being denied Super Powers, Library scams, Having to do the Baby Steps of the bridge after 20, or 40 years, and oh yeah, pesky anons and apostates out on your Tubes and TV worldwide? This? This is his Flapuary 2013 strategy?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I am surprised Davey hasn’t come up with some scam saying you have to buy the “nonexistent upper OT Levels” now…in this lifetime…but they can’t/won’t be delivered until the next lifetime.
      And if he did………how many (of what is left) would actually DO IT!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Well, there are those who’ve signed off their Trusts and Wills, but I have only read about it. Don’t know those personally who have. But some that seem to be in severe depression levels would happily jump at the chance. That’s the sad facts. I’d rather see them leave it to the cats.

        • So there are people who have signed over their estates to the Cof$ when they die? This cult never ceases to amaze me…

          • DeElizabethan

            I was really surprised when I overheard a transactions taking place with an OT8 couple. I later had it verified by the husband. Just had never thought of how far they will go, then.

    • Missionary Kid

      There are no OT levels, except in LRHs fantasy.

      The Demented Midget, if he was really smart, would have started working on creating the additional fantasy levels years ago. His major problem is that he isn’t LRH.

      He could have claimed some sort of revelations to new Dianetic truths to create new levels years ago, but his second problem is that it’s too late for that. He spent his early time after LRH kicked the bucket consolidating power and cleansing the ranks of anyone who could challenge his power.

      His third problem is that he’s shot his wad “correcting” what LRH wrote instead of setting himself up as a new prophet.

      His fourth problem is that he possesses none of the personal outward likeability that LRH could exude as a part of his sociopathic personality. Growing up in Co$ made DM just as sociopathic, but he has no real experience with the outside world. He learned the techniques of the con, but not the skills to use it outside of the evil empire.

      The only things he has going for him is that he has sucked a lot of money out of the victims that he’s sitting on, and he’s still got enough deluded people following him to keep the whole scam afloat. Having new countries to export his craziness to that aren’t familiar with the con. Africa has to be next.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        All good points. And its exactly why I have concluded that those few left are a)the fellow sociopaths and/or crims who are reaping the financial or networking benefits of scamming ready made targets and the rest are in seriously damaged mental conditions. There have been so many versions of OT Levels over the years and many remaining have seen it all, even done it all. They have been hitting their heads against the wall for far too long. Why is Miscavige reminding them Now of the OT scam?

        Oh, and I believe South Africa was one of the promo pieces that showed up here recently. Columbia, South America has been being well groomed for some time. Miscavige hasn’t figured out that the only places and people that are left do Not play nice when ripped off. And they eat lawyers for appetizers.

        • Missionary Kid

          “… they eat lawyers for appetizers.” :-)))

          One of the things that Co$ has depended on is that there’s a high enough turnover so victims may not realize that OT levels have changed. I didn’t, but then my notice of their activities has been off and on over the years. Probably one of the reasons that Dinky Mouse is making an effort to correct the literature is so that only one version will be cited in their “scriptures.” Christians don’t realize that somewhat the same thing happened with their bible, but it was after 3 centuries.

          Some of those countries they are targeting in Africa are Muslim, others are Christian, but intolerant, others are basically criminal, and they won’t put up with competition. You’re right. those places will kick their asses, and not figuratively.

          South America may be more of a fertile ground, but Co$ may well lose control once they start getting into other languages. That may be the reason that they move people from Taiwan to Australia. It immerses the victims in a different culture and language. All the Chinese are very strong in their family ties. Co$ always tries to break them, unless they can use those ties for recruitment.

          The way to counter Co$ is to get the light of truth about the tech, manipulation, horror stories, manipulation, and financial ruin that follow out to other countries or any place they target.

  • Unex Skcus

    Young girl imprisoned, beaten and abused in Sea Org Headquarter, Dundas, Australia

    {QUOTE}
    The following is translated from ptt.cc, the front end to one of the
    largest BBS in Taiwan, where almost all college students are registered.
    The victim is well known to the Church of Scientology and her brother
    made public the incident with real names. The Australian Federal Police,
    Taiwan Ministry of Foreign Affairs and local hospitals have plenty of
    records. Australian media is aware. The OP sanitized the names.

    OP:

    This happened to my colleague. One day he disappeared after work. I
    asked around and heard that he went to work in Australia. This is common
    so I didn’t ask. Until a few days ago he came back and turned up at a
    company event. I didn’t chat with him much because I thought that he
    completed his task in Australia and resumed his duties.

    This is what he posted on the community page of the company on
    Facebook, and asked us to tell as many people as possible. Please
    consider very carefully in joining any religious groups.

    Victim’s brother Jake:

    I am beginning my military service. There is something that I want
    to be honest with you. Also, please help! As a matter of fact, I don’t
    have direct connections to the xx bureau, but I think our bureau has
    influence in the world.

    I was stunned when xx said that I was gone without saying goodbye.
    But that is what actually happened. First, I asked for a few days off,
    and then disappeared. I went to Australia. Doing what? I didn’t say
    clearly and honestly. But in fact, it isn’t glorious.

    This is what happened. My sister Alisa joined a religion —
    Scientology. She went to Australia using religious reasons. Three months
    later, my sister called home. She told us that she was imprisoned,
    beaten and abused in a Scientology base. She needed us there to rescue
    her. Unbelievable! We first thought it was one of the fake kidnapping
    schemes that cheats ransom money out of us. But it was no doubt my
    sister. She was sent to a hospital because of serious injuries. The
    Australian medical system isolated her from Scientologists, so she had
    the chance to call home for help.

    First, we asked for help from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
    Taiwan. The Ministry staff pointed out that on average, an incident
    occurs every three months when parents come looking for their children.
    These children all went to Scientology in Australia, and mostly
    disappeared.

    Later, I came across anti-Scientology groups. Nearly all of them
    ex-followers escaped from Scientology. With their help, I went to the
    unfamiliar Australia with connections. But my sister went to a
    psychiatric hospital. Although in my opinion, apart from the physical
    wounds, she has no mental problems. Australia’s mental health care
    system is very strict, not easily allowing patients to be discharged. My
    sister stayed in the hospital under observation for nearly two months.
    So I checked into the home of an ex-Scientologist, commuting to visit my
    sister almost every day. I also listened to an ex-Scientologist, once
    trapped inside for more than 10 years, for a lot of inhumane treatments
    inside. During the hospital stay the Australian Federal Police came to
    take note. I’m back now after two months.

    It seemed very exaggerated, very serious, but this is real, all
    true. What I ask everyone to help is to talk about it. Let everyone know
    that “Scientology” is engaged in such things, because Scientology is
    here in Taiwan. And that is what I introduced to others like a salesman.
    A friend introduced me, and I introduced Scientology to my sister. My
    sister went to the headquarter in Dundas, where she was abused. Now I
    know how terrible Scientology is. In fact, I believe somebody know about
    the Scientology scandals in the bureau, bro’ xx and lil’ x … But no
    one warned me! Why? Could be because I was in the midst of pleasure!

    Lil’ x, please take the trouble to send my message to the priest
    during worship. Ask him to tell the faithful that they must be
    especially careful of Scientology, because the surface looks quite
    gorgeous and beautiful, but in the name of religion, to do good, to
    help, to learn knowledge, it’s actually a money-making fraud, and even
    engages in human trafficking.

    Strictly speaking this is a private matter, but thank you for help
    anyway. After my military service I will be back to the bureau, but I
    may be in Australia for a period of time to sue the Church of
    Scientology.

    {UNQUOTE}

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?28442-Young-girl-imprisoned-beaten-and-abused-in-Sea-Org-Headquarter-Dundas-Australia

    Note that her brother “Jake” claims Ms Wu told him that “she was imprisoned, beaten and abused”.

    • Someone disappears every 3 months???? For how long? And how much longer is it going to continue before someone does something about it??? It’s stuff like this that really gets to me. This nasty cult is getting away with horrible human rights violations under the guise and protection of the “religion” moniker. Disgusting.

      • Roger Larsson

        If Al Capone had obtained religious immunity he had been untouchable and made it from being convicted for tax crimes.

        Religious crime syndicate can go on something crime syndicate can’t do.

        The religion is a gift to criminals protecting them from the evil. Religious criminals are above the law.

        A wiped out religion makes all criminals equal.

  • wow- scientologists who abuse people. i am shocked ( said no one …ever )

  • Sidney18511

    The video on Saint Hill…..did anyone get the feeling that if the camera would of pulled back from that last chick who spoke in the film, that you would of seen a weapon pointed at her head? Blow lady blow!

    • Observer

      Absolutely. Her mouth was talking about freedom but her whole affect screamed captive.

  • SP ‘Onage

    Are they Effing Serious? Pictures!! Again! Really, those pictures are irrelevant to the crime that was committed upon this girl.

    Hey! Funktard Miscavige, didn’t you learn anything from the scandal of Lisa McPherson? You got away with murder once and here you are tempting fate again. *disgusting look*

    Your lies and cover-ups are appalling, but I have to keep in mind that this is the prevailing mentality that allows you and this cult to continue its shameless detriment to our society. Not for long though, we see you and your well packaged lies of deception.

    Last minute lawyer was a fail. He definitely wins the WTF dazed and confused award. (@_@)

    • RMycroft

      He looked like he’d had a drink or two beforehand and was thinking that he should have done the whole bottle.

      • Artoo45

        Actually, he looked like someone central casting sent over after being asked if they had a “sweaty, sleazy, clichéd lawyer” type.

      • SP ‘Onage

        Yeah, he’s probably some washed up alcoholic lawyer. Notice his body language.

        His body language (kinesics) in the video shows signs that he was being less than truthful. His crossed arms is a very obvious signal of a closed and defensive attitude. Then the constant tucking of the chin into his chest shows his stress and deception escalate when the isolation room is mentioned.

        I am so mad I could spit bullets!

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      The irony is the pictures failed to prove his point. In order to escape, this little girl, who speaks no English, would have to find her way out of those buildings (and he never said the doors or windows were unlocked), walk the length of the campus, pass through the gates (which are probably guarded) and then find her way to get help in the city or suburbs the campus is located in, without any money, in the throes of a physical and mental breakdown. So, this “attorney,” floating away on his sweat (like Albert Brooks in “Broadcast News”), waves the photos around as proof, and when the newscaster quotes Hubbard, the attorney says “nope, we deny that.” Maybe he was auditioning for the next Albert Brooks or Woody Allen film.

  • J. Swift

    It is so predictable that Terry Jastrow and Anne Archer will look at the case of the convicted war criminal Issa Sesay while remaining completely blind to the crimes and human rights abuses of the Church of Scientology.

    Sesay and his “RUF” chopped off people’s hands, engaged in sex trafficking minors, waged war, burned down villages, and engaged in a war that killed 120,000 people, It is okay for Jastrow and Archer to examine the moral ambiguities in Sierra Leone but not in their own hometown with their own Church.

    They are such hypocrites.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Wonderful Post! Thank you.

    • They better hope nobody ever investigates the tunnels under Big Blue…talk about human rights abuses!

  • SS

    Makes sense that the “church” would focus some recruiting efforts in a part of the world where the word Scientology doesn’t yet conjure immediate thoughts of coercion, deception, disconnection, and violence. In many ways, it’s probably the 60’s and 70’s all over again for the “church” in Taiwan.

    It really sucks that many more will be victimized before they realize on a large scale what the COS is truly about. But one thing’s for sure, Scientology’s true colors will come shining through in the end….. they always do.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Why bother moving people to Australia? Why not just expand in Taiwan? It makes no sense to me that the church is moving so many people from a country where they can recruit in to a country where they can’t recruit. I think the more I try to figure out the insanity called the Church of Scientology, the more my brain cells implode, and like an old comedy, a spring will pop out of the top of my head…….

      • HeatherGraceful

        AFAIK, there is no Sea Org base in Taiwan. No Advanced Org. No RPF. Taiwan is within the ANZO “Continent”. Perhaps they will abandon Australia at some stage and set up in Taiwan. We’ll see.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    We in RTC concede the point that Terry Jastrow and Anne Archer are not the smartest people. In fact, these two make the argument that complete dullards can succeed if they use the Tech.

    Without Scientology, Terry would have become a gym teacher and Anne would have been a hotel maid.

    We ordered Terry and Anne to take on this wog documentary project because it has the term “human rights” in it and we need to put OT’s in these sorts of PR projects. We will publish photos of Terry and Anne with these fashionable wogs in our CC magazine.

    Terry and Anne are “safe OT’s” who don’t have any scandals, hidden perversions, or financial irregularities going on. We would like to use them more. However, as we said, they are are not the smartest people. To this point, we have a Sea Org member present at their home to flush the toilet when Anne gets done because she forgets. The Sea Org member will also spray air freshener because Anne’s diet, whatever sort of macrobiotic things she eats, fouls the bathroom something awful.

    • Chocolate Velvet

      Holy shit, OTVIIIisGrrr8!! These are not “acceptable truths”. Such honesty is just not an option for you in the RTC. You have clearly run off the rails, and David will be most disappointed in you!

      You may as well report to ethics right now. You know what’s next. You in the RTC can not possibly ever be as valuable to the cause as ANY celeb. No matter how marginal or past their prime.

      Anne Archer will be getting a medal for her dedication to scientology. Meanwhile, you in the RTC will be raking up dried sewage, and licking tile. I love you OTVIII, and I would hate to see this happen to you.

      Don’t you think it’s time to blow? There are many people here who would be happy to help you get out…

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        We in RTC outrank all public celebrity Scientologists. If we share certain MEST details it is inconsequential.

        • Chocolate Velvet

          Well, now I know you have gone type III. Unless you are the COB himself.

          I doubt that, he is too much of a chicken to confront me. Even “Louanne” refuses to respond, and runs away when I try to establish comm.

          COB will discard you in a hot second for some celebrity-originated PR, OTVIII. You do realize that, don’t you?

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            ChocolateVelvet, unless there are lights or cameras around, celebrities don’t mean anything to we in RTC. Celebs are only important for PR because wogs pay attention to them.

            It is a little Hill 10ish for the Church PR-wise these days. We could really use some new celebrities as distractions. The ideal scene would be to have a few dozen new celebrities suddenly become Scientologists and talk about how cool Scientology is and how only haters would ever attack something as cool and important as the Church of Scientology.

            Our PR guru Mike Sitrick said that the Church of Scientology surveys as being bizarre, bureaucratic, secretive, paranoid, and greedy. How are we ever going to get any new celebrities with such false survey data implanted into the public by the Psychs?

            COB RTC David Miscavige has ordered the Celebrity Centres to recruit dozens of new celebrities and then get him, COB, invited to the best parties around the world.

            COB wants his image revived. He is tired of being stuck in a rut where he is perceived of as being a joke or a punchline. What COB wants is to be perceived of as being godlike and essential.

            Look, this video Anne and Terry are showing at their house won’t amount to a hill of beans, but maybe the Dali Lama or George Clooney will show up and then Anne can call COB and he will show up.

            It’s gotten so hard on the PR front that we are throwing things at the wall to see what sticks.

            • Chocolate Velvet

              Uh oh! You know what usually sticks to the wall best, don’t you OTVIII?

              I suppose desperate times call for desperate measures. I will be rooting for you — you know the CV loves you in the RTC…

          • Artoo45

            People! People! OTVIIIisGrrr8! is a parody. Mockery and degrading. Humor.

            • Chocolate Velvet

              Really? Do tell!

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Artoo45, ChocolateVelvet and we in RTC have a very special relationship. We want her to join the Sea Org as an Admiral and she wants us to blow. This causes us no end of enturbulation and so we put a quarter in the jukebox and play this song:

              http://youtu.be/GqH21LEmfbQ

    • DodoTheLaser

      “Terry and Anne are “safe OT’s” who don’t have any scandals, hidden
      perversions, or financial irregularities going on. We would like to use
      them more. However, as we said, they are are not the smartest people.”

      Ladies and Gentleman, we just scored a real OT couple. Heh.

    • Missionary Kid

      Imagine how stupid they were before they got to that OT level. 😉

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Why do you think they even used the Tech? Anne Archer’s mother was Marjorie Lord (TV wife to Danny Thomas), her father was John Archer (another well known actor in the 1940s and 50s). She is no different than 99% of Hollywood, shallow, so-so acting skills, and she had help from mom and dad to make it. The scam is that young wanna-be actors are told by the church that it is the Tech that will make them stars, when the truth is, stars become stars because they have true talent (rare), mom or dad is a star (or grandma and grandpa) (more common these days) or the young wanna-be has a Barbie or Ken doll body, and they get a role on some awful TV drama or reality show or in a soft porn movie (a huge, gigantic part of Hollywood). The truth is a young wannabe has a better chance of getting a job in Hollywood because of plastic surgery than because of the Tech.

  • Snippy_X

    Poor girl. She’s lucky to be alive, but what kind of mental illness cause a person to become catatonic overnight. What the hell did they do to her?

    • DodoTheLaser

      I knew a girl who went nuts after SO recruitment cycle. She was taken to isolated private farm and kept there/baby watched until somewhat stable. She was offloaded from staff and sent to her parents afterwards. She’s public now and is volunteering at Tom Cruise’s H.E.L.P. – Hollywood Education and Literacy Project in LA, I believe.

      • Roger Larsson

        Scientology is a bloody serious thing depending on every members hard working.

        It can’t be Barbara Schwarz because she believes she was born in approximately 1956 at a secretive government compound “submarine base” called Chattanooga on the Great Salt Lake, the alleged daughter of Church of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard and the granddaughter of President Eisenhower, although there is no proof of any such place or relationship.

        Her ensuing story reads like a science fiction novel — kidnapping by Nazis, mind control, conspiracy, hidden fortunes, faked deaths, insane asylums, cover-ups and microchips implanted in unsuspecting peoples’ heads and so on…..

        • DodoTheLaser

          No, it wasn’t Barb, Roger.
          Let’s not just go there, yet.

      • Trustmeonthis

        After all that, she still wants to stay in? o.O

    • EnthralledObserver

      Honestly, from the little I’ve seen of the TR’s and Auditing I’m pretty sure that alone would send me around the twist in about one week… two tops.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Oh come now!

    You people here act like you’ve never seen a lying, greasy, shifty-eyed weasel Scientology lawyer before.

    This fellow is standard fare. The fact is that we in RTC hire nothing except lying, greasy, shifty-eyed weasel lawyers. And yes, when backed into a corner, our lawyers must lie because that is what we pay them to do.

    Look, you can complain all you want but it won’t change a darned thing. We in the Church of Scientology are aggressive, mean-spirited, treacherous, violent, and deceptive only because it is for the greatest good. We are
    saving all of you everyday in countless ways and yet you never stop to thank us.

    BTW, we always have a legal plan: http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2013/01/15/osa-legal-checklist/

    • Missionary Kid

      Yeah, it’s a legal plan all right…to cover up illegal activities.

  • SandiCorrena

    I wish Time would re-issue the cult of greed article again, I know they reissued it once already but now would be another good time to do it! And I wish Paulette would re-issue her book too!

    • Paulette’s book was great, but these days it is a bit dated. She expressed a naive hope that the cult actually would reform. Of course they haven’t; if anything they’ve gotten worse.

      • SandiCorrena

        It would be great if she re-released with a whole new afterword,here’s what happened since then, added. Until that dream day I prowl the 2nd hand book stores looking for it; I feel like because hers was so early on and she endured so much “birthing that baby” that I should read it, it would be an honor. I’ve read quite a few of the newer ones, devouring Nancy’s now, and it’s the least I can do for these wonderful people who have brushed up against the hellfire of $cientolgoy and lived to tell their tales – Jon and Lucas are on deck for next up.

        • Artoo45

          Actually, I’d rather read her biography so that the cult abuses took on context in the sweep of her courageous, eventful life. She’s an amazing person.

        • i-Betty

          I just checked and Paulette Cooper’s ‘The Scandal of Scientology’ is still available on Amazon at $60 for paperback. I don’t think I am able to link to the page here, but it’s easy enough to locate 🙂

          • SandiCorrena

            That price is why I comb 2nd hand bookstores…. 😉 Thanks though!

  • DodoTheLaser

    I was recruited from the Eastern Europe, a small part of former USSR.

    My family is not wealthy wealthy, but well off, comparing to many others.
    Not too different from an upper middle class US family.

    The main reason I took the offer at the time is because I wanted to become
    a Class XII Auditor, which can only be achieved at Flag, FL, Clearwater, USA.
    (Residing in the Land of Free appeal, didn’t hurt either.)

    Now think about India, Pakistan, China and yes Taiwan with all the poverty, desperation
    and over-population. These are going to be the main remaining recruitment pools.

    • aquaclara

      Your perspective as one recruited from outside the US is a valid and important one. For those of us who are native to the US, it is sometimes hard to comprehend what things might be like elsewhere. And those countries with the poverty and severe economic issues you’ve referred to provide an ample feeding ground for susceptible victims.
      Some of my friends in Clearwater say that a number of those on the Flag buses don’t appear to speak English. A number look like they are from other countries. Scary.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Thank you, glad to be of help, Aqua.

        Just to give you better idea, around 1999, there was a global recruitment campaign it seems,
        where the missions and orgs in Europe, Russia, Asia and Middle East started getting recruitment
        invitations from the org and advanced orgs (sea org) in US, EU and AUS.

        I guess, they already recruited all the locals by then. Joking.

        • aquaclara

          Well, yes…actually. For those of us in Clearwater, it was like being raised with the story of the bogeyman-something scary that you should run from! Not a ripe pool for recruitment, I’m afraid.
          Those recruitment posters must have been effective for many besides you.
          Sorry, though,that that was your experience in my old hometown. What made you realize it was a cult and not so much a vacation?

          • DodoTheLaser

            Thank you for your insight, Aqua.

            “Sorry, though,that that was your experience in my old hometown. What made you realize it was a cult and not so much a vacation?”

            I never made it to Clearwater. I joined Cincinnati Org to become Class V Auditor (which I did), so I can join the Sea Org at Flag later and get trained as a Class XII (which I didn’t).

            What made me realize it was a cult is abuse and mistreatment of staff, general lack of results and the Internet. Long story short.

      • Kookaburra

        It is also easier to keep your staff when they don’t speak the language, don’t have their passport or mobile phone because they have been confiscated, and have all their communication monitored.

    • Chocolate Velvet

      Yes, this is exactly the reason why I hate this cult and work against it. Exploitation of disenfranchised people with broad vision and humanitarian ambitions.

      “Join us, and make a difference on a global level, despite your circumstances of origin!”. It makes me so angry, and drives me to speak out that much louder about The Crazy…

      • DodoTheLaser

        Thank you, CV.

    • 1subgenius

      I’m not understanding what having a poor person on staff does for the cult.

      • DodoTheLaser

        “I’m not understanding what having a poor person on staff does for the cult.”

        Nearly free labor, compliance with no questioning, low legal liability.

        I hope it makes sense, 1subgenius.

  • dwayners13

    If this lawyer is any indication of the caliber of legal counsel the church in Australia has at it’s disposal, I don’t think it has the financial backing of the IAS. If I was a lawyer in Australia & knew he would be representing the church, I would BEG this family to allow me to sue the church on their behalf.

    • RMycroft

      While there is lawyer/client confidentiality, for this sort of situation, I think they’d use a lawyer who didn’t know much about anything to mouth their excuses. Comes a trial, they’ll have a cynical expensive shyster who knows where the bodies are buried.

      Come to think of it, can anyone down under give us a capsule review of who that guy is? Part of a big law firm or what?

      • tetloj

        http://www.gibsonssolicitors.com.au/index_2.htm

        Web page looks pretty lame. Love who they refer to the firm as the Firm…he he he

        • tetloj

          OMG – he does radio!! 3AW is a Melbourne station.

          News & Media

          Stuart Gibson can be heard each Wednesday afternooon on 3aw radio with his ‘Show Case” segment advising on Litigation, Media and IP cases.

          Here’s another nice news story:Stuart Gibson takes on twitter (note this on the page of the station he talks on)

          http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/breaking-news-blog/melbourne-lawyer-takes-on-twitter/20120217-1tdec.html

          And SMH article (one of our betters newspapers)

          http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/payback-for-the-internets-creepy-cowboys-20120129-1qnzb.html

          Talks about his Hollywood clients

          • tetloj

            He recalls acting for Hollywood stars Sarah Michelle Gellar and Christine Aguilera, whose faces had been photo-shopped on to bodies of porn stars in a Packer magazine, Picture Premium. ”We won a significant payout,” says Gibson. ”One of our strategies was to threaten to put Kerry Packer on the stand and argue that he was in fact a pornographer. He soon folded.”

            Love this last line – reminds me of another person nervous of the stand

            • RMycroft

              Apparently it’s not the standing that he’s nervous about, but the bending over.

          • AstroLadyBoy

            Stuart Gibson, the former Brighton Grammar boy who became Hollywood’s go-to defamation lawyer in Melbourne, is stunned at the tsunami of vitriol that now sweeps the internet. ”In the past five years,” says Gibson, ”I’d estimate that the number of anonymous hate blogs on the web has increased at least 100-fold….”
            Gibson, who runs his own law firm … has been riding out to battle in the defamation arena now for two decades. His Hollywood client list includes Russell Crowe, Nicole Kidman, Michael Douglas and Demi Moore.

            Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/payback-for-the-internets-creepy-cowboys-20120129-1qnzb.html#ixzz2LyhhR4Q9

            WONDER WHAT STUART THINKS OF THE CULT’S SMEAR WEBSITES ??????

            • AstroLadyBoy

              Why did the church hire a defamation lawyer to represent them in this case? Puzzling.

            • FistOfXenu

              Maybe they can’t even get a cheap-suit criminal lawyer to stoop low enough to fight for them. They need to get a do-anything-for-money libel lawyer.

              Or maybe they just live with their heads so far up their own – uh, fantasies – they really believe their own bullshit that the all accusations against them are libel, and they expect to coerce the court into agreement.

              How about a halfway serious answer, they imagine that if they treat it like a libel case the public will believe them and stop the “psych-manipulated wog police” from “persecuting religious freedom”.

            • DeElizabethan

              Well, that link cleared up for me who he is, and he’s not some broke bloak. Thanks Astro and tetioj.

            • AstroLadyBoy

              I just quoted from tetloj’s link. I clicked on Gibson’s law firm page but the anti-virus threw up “BLOCKED. Dangerous Page”. Lol.

          • grundoon

            Anyone want to give odds that 3aw is paid regular ad rates by Stuart Gibson for every air second of “Show Case”?

  • They didn’t lock her up in an isolation room, they don’t have an isolation room, and if they do she wasn’t in it.
    Reminds me of Dennis Erlich saying he was held in a chicken wire cage in the Ft. Homicide basement. Cult spokes-clam countered with, “The Ft. Harrison doesn’t have a basement. It has underground storage rooms.”

    Wanna play word games, cult? The only time you win is when our side isn’t paying close attention.

    • Are_sics

      Don’t forget…. (get this)…. “isolation” is “derogatory”.

      This is the same brain-dead tactic Tommy Davis used in skirting talking about the Wall of Fire: “Volcano” is “offensive”. It’s hard to understand how they can think this is at all convincing. Childish, faux self-righteousness does not give a free pass.

  • Tommy has that particular kind of smirky kid face that just begs to be slapped. I don’t condone violence, but you know what I mean?

    • FistOfXenu

      I think I do. Somehow smirky and prissy at the same time. Like he spent his time figuring out ways to be the teacher’s pet and the class bully at the same time.

      • i-Betty

        Oh yes.

  • Johan

    I have never seen anyone squirm as much as that lawyer. He looks like he prefers boiling in an active volcano instead of in the interview. Look for another job mate!

    • Artoo45

      That’s what I was going to say. Under “Shitty, Sleazy, Lawyer in the dictionary, there’s a picture of his dodgy, evasive, sweaty self.

      • Johan

        Should add: fails to make the cut due to insufficient ability to lie with a straight face – or is that insufficient ability to confront?

  • DodoTheLaser

    Seems like both Gary Soter and Monique Yingling are on vacation some place nice.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Who is Rebecca Richman and why is her hair line like that?

  • DodoTheLaser

    Saint Hill vid is an example of a sad, child like PR, detached from reality.
    I think even some current scientologists will agree.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Tommy is coming to LA. Humble bomb effect. Back doors.
    Hopefully no one will notice. It’s rather sad.

  • I’m putting the Aussie story on my bollocks blog at midday tomorrow….. here’s the pic I’ll be using…. I hope someone sends it to the Australian Bar

    • tetloj

      I just hope someone rings Neil Mitchell or one of the other presenters on 3AW where this clown does a showbiz report – people doing the wrong things with visas isn’t very popular in Australia (i.e. Scientology using people on tourist visas for slave labour). Ministers for Immigration be very touchy politicians…

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    What if the lawyer was told by Miscavige, or Pouw, that the media is very derogatory to the church so he should not let them get away with that, and what if the lawyer doesn’t know who Hubbard was, and thinks Hubbard is one of the church’s critics?

    So, the reporter says, ” the young lady was in an isolation room….”
    Attorney Gibson, “that’s derogatory.”
    Reporter, “Hubbard says….”
    Attorney Gibson (not knowing who L. Ron is) “nope, we deny that”
    Reporter, “But, Hubbard uses the term isolation room.”
    Attorney, “That’s derogatory, it’s a sick bay, and if Mr. Hubbard does not stop defaming the church, we will sue him.”

    Now, the attorney’s bizarre responses make sense, a ridiculous and silly kind of sense, but sense nonetheless.

  • AstroLadyBoy

    Sheila Huber (Gottabrain) and Kookaburra fill in much more of Alice Wu’s story (incl. attempted OSA coverups) on WWP (cross posted to ESMB). They were both providing assistance to Alice and her brother while she was in hospital care.

    Sheila: Yes – and we are working on getting the Taiwan Embassy (in Taiwan) and Taiwan media to air this.

    It’s a horrible story. It really happened. Alice went from normal, ambitious college student working part-time in a library to seriously mentally ill after only 3 months in the Sea Org here in Sydney. Her life is ruined.

    I am SO glad this story finally made it. Steve Cannene did a tremendous job. He had to cut me and Kooka’s interviews, but the bonus was – he has the family interviews, which were far more needed.

    I visited Alice for about two weeks in the first hospital, and less than a week in the second (by then her brother was there, and the doctor was only allowing him to visit).

    Yes, she was diagnosed with a serious mental illness. She had good days and bad days when she was first admitted to the hospital. Some days she spoke and understood simple written English very well. Other days it was as if she was in her own world and all I could do was hold her hand and be her friend.

    However, she went downhill rapidly and became much worse by the time she was released to family and has not improved since. From the look of it, she’s only gotten progressively worse.

    Rest is here.
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?28442-Young-girl-imprisoned-beaten-and-abused-in-Sea-Org-Headquarter-Dundas-Australia/page10

    • AstroLadyBoy

      I read part of the church’s version in Yahoo news.

      “When Ms Wu fell into a fever and was somewhat delusory, she cut her hand, a church staff member immediately called an ambulance so she could get to a hospital for treatment,” the statement read.

      http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/16240274/church-of-scientology-denies-holding-woman-in-isolation/

      Read the snippets in the ESMB link (in above post) to get more insight into the lengths they’ve gone in covering this up.

    • Snippy_X

      Thanks for the link. I hope someone can at least give this girl some counseling for PTSS and determine if a brain injury is causing her decline. It almost sounds like people have written her off. And they need to keep OSA away from her.

    • SP ‘Onage

      I remember reading about this at WWP months ago. I wonder why it has taken so long to surface in the media?

  • SP ‘Onage

    I still shudder to think how many more scientologists are being held against their will in other isolation rooms. Just imagine the ones we don’t hear about.

    There is no way Alice could have signed this document in her mental state. Not even Alice’s Non Disclosure Agreement would hold up due to her state of mind, scientology knows this.

    They made her have a psychotic break, just like Lisa McPherson and Nancy Many. Scientology is causing people to commit suicide. Even Paulette Cooper wanted to commit suicide due to these fuckers.

    This is a cult out of control!

    I think Australia’s Parliament/Government is as corrupt as the U.S. Government, when it comes to scientology. The public out cry against scientology is building up at a rapid pace. They better do something soon.

    • Trustmeonthis

      At least Oz has Xenophon.

  • dwayners13

    I’m not sure if that was an actual lawyer . . . perhaps a barely literate homeless man, that just happened to fit into the suit Earl Cooley left behind in the mid 1980’s.

    • DodoTheLaser

      I wouldn’t go that far, but the poor sap is sure new and nervous. Let’s hope he resigns as we speak.

      • 1subgenius

        I have a sneaky suspicion that dwayners was joking.

        • DodoTheLaser

          He was.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Where’s Alanzo?

    • sugarplumfairy

      Very good question!

  • DodoTheLaser

    Is Tommy Davis Ex-Scientologist yet?

  • i-Betty

    Poor Alice 🙁 🙁 🙁 I hate them.

  • Felicity

    Honestly, that “lawyer” is pure comic relief. They must have scraped the bottom of the pond to find him. As an Aussie I am delighted to see the passion and dedication our Press has shown in tearing open CoS.

  • katy

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    August 24, 1947) is an American actress. She has appeared in films such as Paradise

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  • Rebecca Howell

    Tommy is a spoiled rich kid- who went to the top immediately in Scientology, so that Anne Archer and her husband would stay in Miscavige’s good graces. When things got to overwhelming for Tommy, he and his wife left quietly. Tommy won’t be mistreated in any way by the church because Anne is too powerful of a person. David Miscavige needs her “cache” and her cash.