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Jon Atack: Scientology’s ‘past lives’ don’t pass the giggle test

Jon_AtackJon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and for more than a year on Saturdays he helped us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet. He was kind enough to send us a new post.

We rarely ask ex-Scientologists about their own experiences in past-life therapy. (When we have got around to it, the results were pretty great.) We’re glad you brought up the subject, Jon, and we’re looking forward to what you can tell us about it…

JON: I had been in Scientology for a few months when I had my first “past life” experience. The Auditor’s Code tells us that we must “never evaluate for the preclear,” but I had read enough Hubbard material to know exactly what to expect.

Allow me to sidetrack: to apply this tenet, auditors would only work with “preclears” who were completely ignorant of the world of engrams, secondaries, locks, service facsimiles, affinity breaks and the other paraphernalia of Hubbard-world. Instead, recruits are immersed in Hubbard’s evaluations from day one, and I was no different.

Of course, OT III violates the evaluation rule completely. We have a description of the supposed events, along with the date and the location. It also happens, as my friend Peter Forde pointed out 20 years ago, that the locations did not exist at the time – neither Hawaii nor the Canary Islands. Hubbard also gave the wrong date for the “great extinction.” Forgive me for quibbling, but, according to Hubbard, truth is the “exact time, place, form and event.”

It was during a “self-analysis” session that I found myself wandering alongside a mule in desert heat. I guessed I was somewhere in Israel or Judea at around the time of Jesus. I remember sweating from the heat. Unlike many preclears, I did not feel that I was part of the Jesus legend, however. Maybe next lifetime…

I was a true believer for nine years. Although I read literature critical of Scientology and spoke with people who were hostile, nothing shook my belief. Even after I left and discovered the irrefutable reality of Hubbard’s deceptions in his own contradictory statements, I held on desperately for a several weeks before abandoning the “Tech.”

It was one of the most liberating times of my life. I no longer had to conform my thinking to the often conflicting dictates of Ron Hubbard. I could once again assert that the most important element of life is compassion rather than cash-flow (the “governing policy of Scientology” in Hubbard’s own words). After years of conformity to Hubbard’s ideas, I found self-determinism. I have reveled in my own peculiar and eccentric view of the universe ever since, and proved able to change my mind whenever the evidence against my beliefs becomes overwhelming.

During those nine years I had surprisingly little auditing. One very well to do woman told me that she had wondered why it always took her much longer to finish each level than it did for others. After spending a million pounds (yes, a million pounds), she realized that it was simply because she had enough money to pay.

My relative poverty meant that I reached the heights of OT V in tens rather than hundreds of hours, though the process took almost nine years. Even my OT III only took three afternoons. I hear the cynics mouthing the word “quickie,” but I had the best auditors on offer, and the thinnest ethics file in all of Scientology. And my needle floated most of the time.

By the time I was done, I was having full force “recollections” that were more like horror movies than therapy, in the desperate attempt to find out why my super powers had not kicked in. By then, I had given enough auditing to question the adequacy of my preclears’ memories.

One woman faltered on basic words in every session. She could not grasp the notion of prepositions or conjunctions, so we would painstakingly word clear “of” and “and” at every opportunity. After a week, she attested to “super-literacy,” so avoiding further word clearing. When I expressed concern to the case supervisor, he showed me a Hubbard bulletin that insisted people be allowed to attest whatever they feel like.

I audited people who could remember the thrilling details of space battles a trillion years before, but would be hard pressed to tell me what they had eaten for breakfast yesterday. I have an above average memory, so I noticed the deficiencies in others more readily. I gave Method One auditing, but no one recovered their lost education, despite Hubbard’s promise. Scientologists’ memories were no better than anyone else’s, yet we claimed to be able to remember past lives.

“Past lives” is another Hubbard borrowing from Aleister Crowley, who preferred the term to “reincarnation” or the “transmigration of souls.” In Science of Survival, back in 1951, Hubbard rather disingenuously claimed that others had found themselves reaching before conception (remember the “sperm dream”?). As with the founding of a religion, he pretended that it was not his idea.

The decision to pursue past lives split the Dianetics community. For instance, A.E. van Vogt, who had abandoned his illustrious career as a true “golden age” science fiction writer for Dianetics, refused to believe and continued to practice “this life time” auditing for the rest of his life.

Hubbard claimed to be a scientist – although he had been suspended from university for poor scholarship. He was not a “nuclear physicist” by any stretch of the imagination (he seems to have adopted the title from his early supporter John Campbell, Jr). He was not a civil engineer, nor a mathematician, either, contrary to his claims (though he admitted as much in the 1950 lecture, Introduction to Dianetics). And there is precious little “scientific” about the formulation of Scientology.

Past lives were included because Hubbard, as a devoted Crowleyite, had believed in them for years before adding them to his burgeoning system. His two attempts to validate past lives were woefully inadequate. The first was the book Have You Lived Before This Life, which is simply a set of anecdotes given during auditing by believers in the Hubbard view. As a matter of interest, one of the preclears was Cyril Vosper, who would later recount his experiences in The Mindbenders. Cyril continued to believe in past lives long after he left Scientology, although he spent no more time trying to explore them.

There is much to poke fun at in HYLBTL, including Ray Kemp’s session as “case no.4.” Kemp was a merchant seaman who penned the Oxford Capacity Analysis and became a “Doctor of Scientology” (an award given by Hubbard for “major contributions” before he decided that no one else had made any).

Kemp reported an incident from “nine galaxy periods ago” in which “I was a male born of space parents. I seem to have had two or three mothers [with Scientology all things are possible] who died or were killed. At the age of five I was already on the lookout for brothels.” I did say he was a merchant seaman, but even so this seems a tad young. He goes on to kill his father and complain of the homosexuality practiced by space crews. After killing the captain, he was sent to the “Zap machine (a ray gun to destroy bodies)” and his body dispatched in a “space coffin.” Stirring stuff, perhaps, but not a hint of testable evidence. Astronomer Patrick Moore gently lampooned the book in the East Grinstead papers.

The second attempt at validating past lives is recorded in Mission Into Time, Hubbard’s abortive attempt to discover treasure buried in his previous lives. Hana Whitfield captained that expedition and has elsewhere dismissed any claim to success. Such endeavours are not science, they are hogwash. In fact, I wouldn’t even wash my hog with this nonsense.

It should be simple enough: any Scientology OT should be able to point us to buried splendour. There have been some interesting explorations of past lives – among the most convincing is psychiatrist Arthur Guirdham’s We Are One Another – but not one of them made by a Scientologist. For myself, I gave up believing a long time ago, so I have become skeptical of anything that I don’t actually need to believe; including past lives.

By the time I abandoned Scientology, I no longer believed that my own past life memories were necessarily true. As I talked with more former members and learned about false memory syndrome, I came to believe that most memories recovered in auditing are false. All too often, the preclear simply recounts the first thing that comes to mind, and this is steered by the e-meter – a notoriously fallible machine. There is no external checking, so preclears can develop their delusions at will.

A few years after I left Scientology, I read about Elizabeth Loftus’s work, and picked up Making Monsters by Ofshe and Waters. In the 80s, a spate of ‘recovered memory’ cases erupted in both the US and the UK. Here, in the UK, many children were removed from their parents for fear of Satanic abuse. Not one of these cases proved reliable; not one. It is likely that some of the children plucked from their friendly, comfortable homes grew up traumatised not by their parents but by gullible social workers.

In the US, adults began to sue their parents for alleged sexual abuse during childhood. These allegations were largely from “recovered memories.”

While it is possible that memories may be “repressed,” it seems more likely that those who have been abused will have at least some memory of that abuse. “Recovered memory” patients typically present with various problems in their thirties and “therapists” then spend years recovering memories.

Author of Going Clear, Lawrence Wright, wrote about recovered memory in Remembering Satan. Law enforcement officer Paul Ingram was accused of hundreds of instances of sexual abuse by his two daughters. Neither ever corroborated a single incident described by the other, although they shared a bedroom throughout childhood. Psychologist Richard Ofshe acted as a consultant and offered Paul Ingram a narrative by his son, also accusing his father of abuse. As he had with his daughters, Ingram said he had no memory of the abuse, but trusted that his children would not lie. The court rejected Ofshe’s clear proof that Paul Ingram had responded to false testimony on his son’s part and accepted a guilty plea. This is only one of many travesties of justice for innocent parents. It should do nothing to detract from the pursuit of actual pedophiles, but evidence is paramount.

Showman supreme Derren Brown has shown on several occasions just how easy it is to induce false memories. For instance, in a few minutes, using only conversation, Brown convinced a man that he had taken a ride in a hot air balloon. This capacity to merge imagination and memory is carefully tested in psychology experiments. Scientology has no such testing, despite its pretensions to science. Scientologists are largely ignorant of the Stanford Hypnotic Susceptibility Scale, so do not realize just how easily we can be led.

Hubbard said that to control people all you have to do is introvert them. What a marvelous technique of introversion such past life exploration is for believers. We spent far too much time wandering in our own imaginations – as stimulated by a science fiction writer – than we did examining the credentials of Ron Hubbard.

Hubbard’s accounts of his heroism vary from his 1950 interview with Look magazine where he had suffered from “ulcers, conjunctivitis, deteriorating eyesight and something wrong with my feet” to his statement in “My Philosophy” that he was lamed with “physical injuries to hip and back” and “blinded with injured optic nerves.”

Many years ago Otto Roos – the world’s first OT VIII and one of only five Class XIIs trained by Hubbard – told me that the tall tales of heroism that the Founder offered to us had also featured in his auditing sessions. Otto was incensed to find that Hubbard had made up stories during auditing; but had the auditing brought Hubbard to believe these inventions and exaggerations? Was Hubbard not only the creator of Scientology but also its victim?

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Chill EB and Jim Meskimen make the scene at Saint Hill as the IAS once again parties down…

 
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…and here’s Chill EB and triple-threat entertainer James Barbour with a fan…

 
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BOOK NOTES
3D-Unbreakable

We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Tony Ortega’s upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
Oct 28: Adelaide, Wheatsheaf Hotel, (with Sen. Nick Xenophon and Bryan Seymour)

Oct 30: Perth, Collins Street Centre, Collins St and Shaftesbury St, South Perth, 7 pm (with Bryan Seymour)

Past dates: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24), Phoenix (9/15), Cleveland (9/23), Minneapolis (9/24), Portland (9/27), Seattle (9/28), Vancouver BC (9/29), Sydney (10/23), Melbourne (10/25)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on October 25, 2015 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

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UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer
The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill
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  • Observer

    RiffTrax’s special deal on Boy in the Plastic Bubble, plus free commentary on John Travolta: http://www.rifftrax.com/the-boy-in-the-plastic-bubble

    • Rasha

      Still working through Film Crew stuff, but I GOTTA check this out. Love those boys!

    • Juicer77

      Mentions Thetans in the description. Win! XD

  • Nat-leficent
    • flyonthewall

      Chill EB has died of dysentary

      • Observer

        I am in a restaurant with Mr Observer and nearly sprayed him with partially chewed authentic Mexican tortilla chips and salsa.

        • flyonthewall

          he lucked out, this time…

      • beauty for ashes

        http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=You+have+died+of+dysentery
        I feel cool that I get that now. but seriously look at the ten top words that are trending I don’t understand a one.

        • flyonthewall

          we use to fight over who would get to play it at school during free time. Ahh, memories

    • Newiga

      Pioneer of Clam Rap for sure….

      • Mockingbird

        That’s crap.

        • Newiga

          LOL!!! Yup!

          • Newiga

            Then again, what the hell do I know. Chill is a member of an organisation that was founded by a man who was Arp Cola, the inventor of music, in a previous life… xD

            Ps. Arp Cola is definitely my favorite of Lroon’s past lifes…. 😛

            • scottmercer

              Anagram for Crapola.

            • Frodis73

              This is one of those examples that make me believe that at the time lrh wrote that, he knew he was a con man and was just messing with people.

    • Always Amazed

      No, Pioneer of Crap

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        Maybe Travolta’s pioneer of fap. (I’ll go to the corner now.)

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Yeah I bet John would like to tug on that.

    • CherryPitz

      Straight outta Con-ton

  • Royce Harlow

    One has to wonder if Stacy Francis, Chill EB and Meskimen continue to be in scientology because that’s the only place they get hired. They don’t seem to be in much demand in wogworlds.

  • Lousy Ratatouille

    This post from Jon Atack is so full of wishdom. I have read his ‘A Piece of Blue Sky’, an excellent book to help an ex-Scientologist recover when he/she leaves the cult.

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    Since we’re dealing in fall pictures, I might as well share one I took three years ago in Finland.

    • Newiga

      Where in Finland was that picture taken?

      • Nice. With a few redwoods it could pass for somewhere on the coast of California from Big Sur northwards.

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        Tampere.

  • salin

    OT – Pyramids, 4500 years ago and Science! (Sounds very cool)

    Scientists to Scan Ancient Pyramids to See what’s below the Surface.

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/egypt-pyramid-scans

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Did they not see Alien vs. Predator?!

    • Miss Tia

      they need to allow more openness when it comes to dating things…..there’s been geology testing on the bedrock of the sphinx dating it around 10,000 years old…..there was some radar testing by the sphinx that showed a chamber but they wouldn’t allow a very small hole for a camera to go down and dismissed the chamber as just an air bubble….despite there being ancient writings that records were stored there….GAH!!! they frustrate me so much!!! if i had the money and the ability (and it was safe) egypt is the #1 place i’d want to go too….there is so much we don’t know and that civilization was far more advanced than us (no, not ancient aliens!) as the math of great pyramid has proven…..

    • Juicer77

      Oh boy oh boy oh boy 🙂 Have you seen the TV documentary on the French architect who thinks he figured out how they built them? Done a couple years ago.

      • salin

        Sounds interesting – I will try to find it. Thanks for the tip.

        • Juicer77

          His name is Jean Pierre Houdin.

          • salin

            Thanks. Found and bookmarked.

        • MaxSpaceman

          It seems to me in past life I was on one of the crews making bricks without straw and ‘willing’ those pyramids to go up. Oh– wait.

          Uhm- I don’t believe a a ‘whole track’, unless it’s the whole track at the Indianapolis 500 and I’m a never-been-a-Scilon. :-/

          • salin

            LOL. Never realized I experienced a whole-track by going to the Indy 500.

            What a cognition. Even if I didn’t predict the winner, is that a ‘win’?

      • B4you
  • Robert Hammond

    A previous Bunker article:

    Scientology and Past Lives – Was L Ron Hubbard Actually Serious?

    http://tonyortega.org/2012/12/08/scientology-and-past-lives-was-l-ron-hubbard-actually-serious/

    • Newiga

      Clicked the heart before (re)reading the article.

      • B4you

        I see what you did there!

        • Newiga

          😉

    • Mindphucker

      Wow, some of the comments on that old article are pure bat shit crazy. Claims of telepathy, hmm, ok. Tell James Randi to practice his best handwriting for that check for $1M.

      • Robert Hammond

        Funny how nobody has claimed that million dollar prize yet. If they really had OT powers they could put Randi out of business. They can’t even stop Leah Remini.

  • beauty for ashes

    Maru tries to pass the giggle test while seeing what animal he might have been in a past life. He does so with a kind of Wes Anderson film irony.
    Click the heart!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am-Eeoh6LFA

    • Frodis73

      This is great.

      • beauty for ashes

        The penguin one eyed smush!

    • pixie dust

      I love Maru. Have you seen the one where he gets in the clear rice bowl?
      It’s quite a feat as Maru is … not slim.

    • CherryPitz

      I eagerly anticipate every Sat…uh, SATurday when the new Maro video is posted.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Sunday, 25 October 2015.

    Good Day Bunkerites,

    Wednesday 21st : All California, SFBay leads LA.
    Thursday 22nd : SFBay scraped in and saved the day
    Friday 23rd : NO SCORE
    Saturday 24th : SFBay & NY scraped in and saved the day

    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    Flag the lies, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… Big Ben enhanced by Bob Kåre for RedX, and flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/15778968643/in/set-72157642802079293

  • Juicer77

    Is that acres of golden carpet underfoot? Check out the seam lines.

    • Frodis73

      Good eye; I can’t un-see it now.

      • Juicer77

        I’m just flabbergasted at what they consider budget-worthy. The IAS is Exhibit A as far as tax-exempt revocation is concerned.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I think Dave gets party decor advice from John Mappin. The only thing missing is Stourton glitter butterflies. LOL

  • penguin

    It’s amazing how many PCs were famous people in past lives. No-one seemed ever to have been a plain old serf. It’s also amazing how many past lives were spent in either the western world (rather than, say, Asia or the Pacific) or in the outer limits of outer space on Planet Zorq or whatever.

    • Juicer77

      Welcome, penguin.
      But what fun is being a serf?

    • Eclipse-girl

      Aye, and there is the rub.

  • beauty for ashes

    Memory is such a strange thing to try and quantify. Like Tory, I have illness related short term memory issues. I think when you see in yourself how faulty the quality becomes when it is damaged, you can also see how easy it is to fool yourself. But if you haven’t had to examine truthfully the quality of your own memory, it can seem like the most truthful element to your existence. We cling so hard to the story we tell ourselves about our life. In Hinduism it is called Maya, which loosely is the movie we make while living. I remember in my twenties feeling like if life did not feel like a movie , I wasn’t living it right. That’s also why I think I can relate to getting sucked into a cult.
    What was I saying? lol 🙂 Ps~ Thank you Tory for doing speeches. Seeing you deal with memory issues helped me deal with my own with much humor and humility. <3 <3 <3

    • Jimmy3

      True Fact: I was the guy from Memento in a past life.

      • Doc M

        Imagine being that guy in the movie…the body is so fragile, yet so complex.

        • Jimmy3

          I don’t have to imagine it. I have post-it notes that help me remember it.

          • beauty for ashes

            God, why didn’t he just do that? I mean tattoos?

            • Jimmy3

              I wasn’t afraid of needles in that life. In this life, I am.

            • beauty for ashes

              Me too. I can’t even watch needles go in on tv. I wonder if scientology could help with that.

            • Jimmy3

              You’ll be needled for money constantly.

      • Robert Eckert

        Or will be in a future life? So hard to keep it straight.

      • beauty for ashes

        I used to make fun of him!
        What’s that smell?
        Oh it’s me
        I should take a shower
        Hey what’s that smell?

  • TonyOrtega

    Jam packed yesterday. Top four events in term of attendance: Clearwater, London, Melbourne, Los Angeles.

    • Juicer77

      Are you nostalgic that it’s coming to an end?

    • ScaramouchenFandango

      It was a thrill to be there and to see you speak. Melbourne audiences were excited and very appreciative.

    • flyonthewall

      Top four events in term of Lego: Cleveland, Cleveland, Cleveland and Cleveland

      • Miss Tia

        I’ll give a plug for cross stitch too! 😀

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          Vote cross stitch in November too.

          • Miss Tia

            THAT’S a campaign i can get behind!! 🙂

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Tia has the International vote!

            • Miss Tia

              YEAH!!!!! Let me take this opportunity to thank you for the great live coverage! THANK YOU!!!

        • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

          In Cleveland, Tony’s talk, I had a trunk full of more Scn critics’ related books than ANY event in the history of the Scn movement……no takers, ……..so much unrealized blather by all past “expert” blatherers…. oh well.

          • Miss Tia

            I didn’t know that!!!! dammit, there might have been something i’d have liked to borrow!!

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        Lego vote yes in November!

    • DefinitelyNotMe

      You may just have revived the entire “authors as rock star book tour” genre. You didn’t just sell out most seats, you also had thousand plus comment blog, plus other people’s blogs, plus radio spots, TV interviews, and then the after party instagrams, the twitters, the facebook scuttle, the flickr albums and .. did I leave something out?

      Oh yeah, the groupies and their gifts. You just inspired a whole new generation of snot nosed wanna be writers scrambling to search for that elusive best seller they deleted, for better or worse. I stand, salute and applaud. Awesomeness. Hubbard would be green with enviousness.

      http://i.imgur.com/aamN66j.gifv

    • Richard

      “Jam packed yesterday.” (Melbourne 10/25)
      This Oz trip is making TO an OT.
      The guy is writing about what happened yesterday when it hasn’t even happened yet.

    • flyonthewall

      Will u bring us souvenirs? I would like a Koala bear

      • Jimmy3

        I want a kookaburra. And I want you to sing the song while you hand him to me.

        • Juicer77

          You are both gonna get pooped on.

          • flyonthewall
          • flyonthewall

            now I’m getting yelled at. I have to go 🙁 hmph!

            • Juicer77

              No Bunker pass for you!

            • ObsessedReader

              I can’t believe your sweet wife would yell at you! Ohhhh, it was probably the neighbor’s response to your Triumphant Poop.

            • flyonthewall

              don’t let her fool you 😉

        • flyonthewall

          Would you settle for an autographed Tony Ortega covering Raffi songs cd?

          • Jimmy3

            If that’s a real thing, that wouldn’t be settling. I want that more than a dumb bird.

            • Juicer77

              (O/T – nobody wanted a FF player named Gurley so I snapped him up and bided my time. He may have won the week for me tonight. Heh heh heh.)

            • Jimmy3

              Just wait til he plays in the NFL.

        • Eleventy

          If I can manage to trap the Kookaburra that lives in my neighbours yard, in a cage you can have it. Damn thing waking me up at Dawn on the weekends. They are useful though.

          • aquaclara

            They are real? They are in the only song I can partially play on the piano, but I only know it by the numbers. Clearly, my talents lie well outside both playing music and important things to know about Australia. Mea Culpa.

            What exactly are kookaburras useful for, besides sitting in old gum trees? Are they cute?

            • Eleventy

              Kookaburra’s? Oh yes they are real, and yes, it does sound like they are laughing.

              They are very useful because they kill snakes and eat mice. I don’t care for either of those things.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kookaburra link includes pictures. They are look, different.

            • aquaclara

              Ooh, these are such beautiful birds. And you’re right. Very useful! They are like owls–eat the mice! That’s great.

              It says they are tree-based kingfishers. Fascinating stuff.

              Thank you! Sorry they are laughing it up in your neighbor’s tree, though!

            • Robert Eckert

              They’re useful for making the Jungle Noises sound effect, vital to our Hollywood industry:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVVb611RrBk

            • aquaclara

              Useful for the training and helping the seat fillers at awards shows!

        • ObsessedReader

          I read/think in pictures and that was stinkin hilarious! Plus I LOVE kookaburras, their laugh is contagious.

        • Leigh Andrews

          One kookaburra that you could have brought back for you is the one ounce silver Kookaburra that the Perth Mint makes every year. The design changes annually.

          It’s not the same, I know, but they are handsome coins and a lot quieter than the real thing.

      • Robert Eckert

        He’ll bring you a drop bear

      • beauty for ashes
      • EnthralledObserver

        ‘Koala’ – not ‘Koala Bear’ – apologies if an Aussie has already chastised you. 😉

        • flyonthewall

          i did not know that, thnx!

    • Miss Tia

      So in time for Christmas you’ll have a new book, ‘Tony Ortega on Tour: The Travel Diaries’, available, right? 😀

    • EnthralledObserver

      Did you eat the Emu yet?

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      So disappointed that London came second, but it’s so fitting that Clearwater wins the tally. You’re brilliant 🙂

  • Lady Squash

    Off topic but came across something I thought was interesting and wanted to share. It’s about Hubbard and his infamous bulletin Potential Trouble Source to the Middle Class. In the bulletin Hubbard makes a few good points. But as usual his intention is to convince you that it’s okay to mortgage your house and give your money to the Church. In the bulletin he slams the Puritans. But guess what? Scientology shares a lot with the Puritan Belief system. “Puritan beliefs were filled with paradoxes. The puritans rebelled against others in order to create the perfect World, a utopia that did not allow for rebellion. Their beliefs and goals created a tension filled paradoxical dilemma.” Vishal Rao One major difference–at least the Puritans were sincere.

  • ScaramouchenFandango

    More lead up to Fridays 20/20: Ex-Scientologist Leah Remini blasts Hollywood star Tom Cruise and says he is one of the main reasons that she severed ties with the Church

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3289001/Ex-Scientologist-Leah-Remini-reveals-Tom-Cruise-reason-left-Church.html

  • Bradley Greenwood

    The Roman speaking to the slaves is the same voice as “Crusty”, in “The Incredible Mr. Limpet”. Maybe I will Google that, and see to whom the voice belongs.

  • In one of my past lives, I remember being a space mercenary. My name was Raphus Cucullatus. Good times.

    • Juicer77

      (f5) XD

      • beauty for ashes

        You and Nola have the best cat memes. Like so good you should put it on your resume good .;)

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          ……

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      You rat bastard! I’ve been looking for you for centuries. I used to be known as Buttplugus Maximus. You never tipped me after that night…you know which night sailor, don’t play coy with me.

  • HillieOnTheBeach

    I’m very annoyed with the expensive formal dress wearers proudly stupidly posing in a fake desert setting… in England.

  • Observer

    Mr Observer and I spent this afternoon tootling (not tooting, you smart alecks) around taking pics (he just got the new monster iPhone and wanted to try out the camera). These shots are from one of the Metroparks in our area. Such a beautiful day for it!

    refresh

    • beauty for ashes

      Your sense of compositition is so good!!!!!!!!!!! I know I say this all the time. It just makes me happy!

      • Observer

        Thank you!

    • Juicer77

      Lovely pictures. Thanks for sharing. I love the couple in the bottom one, for perspective and cuteness factor! Is that you two? Did you set a timer and run really fast over there to pose casually? XD

      • Observer

        No, it was a father and daughter. The girl was about 12.

    • Miss Tia

      Love the mix of colors in the top one!! I expected, almost to see deer in the bottom one, but was happy to see a couple enjoying the park! 🙂

    • ze moo

      Take Miss Lovely to that park in Hinkley, where the Buzzards roam. Beautiful valley……and buzzards that don’t want your money.

    • Jimmy3

      Now when you’re tootling around, do you rip ass to get there fast or do you just kinda let the day squeak on by?

      • Observer

        -_-

        • Jimmy3

          Sorry, due to a past life injury, I cannot read text or writing hidden inside of parantheses. I just have to guess what is in there.

          • Rasha

            It’s (something we’re all gonna have to chip in and help you deal with because we know that only the gentle firm grip of reality is going to get us all through this, as a family,) okay (?).

            • Jimmy3

              Well, if the fate of the planet truly depends on us sleeping together, I will help out. Sure.

            • Rasha

              –Oh! Look at the pretty leaves!!

            • Jimmy3

              Sorry. It was my best guess.

    • Rasha

      Which area is this? I miss my old stamping grounds in Autumn. 🙁

      • Observer

        The Dayton area

        • Rasha

          I was catty-corner to there – towards Willoughby Hills / Chardon. Lovely memories.

    • Kay

      Seriously great composition on the one with the two people……..wow. You should print and frame that.

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    Since Observer linked to the RiffTrax for John Travolta’s Boy in the Plastic Bubble, enjoy this Cinema Snob review of the Travolta/Newton-John team-up Two of a Kind.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydJPOm1VUaE

  • ze moo

    Past lives stuff became known (but not that popular) in the early 1900’s, along with spiritualism and tarot reading and other woo. Harry Houdini spent a lot of time debunking ‘mediums’ and other scams involving spirits. He got a lot of newspaper coverage that helped people see the woo and the scam behind it all.

    Police ‘experimented’ with phrenology {the ‘science’ of analyzing bumps on the head} and using ear shapes to identify criminals. Fingerprints weren’t proven to be individual until later. Snake oil sales were through the roof and you could buy cocaine and opium at the corner drug store. They had real drugs in those days, along with all sorts of preparations that could ‘cure’ anything.

    I always equated ‘past lives’ stuff with those Christians that ‘speak in tongues’. Both are a way of saying ‘I am special’ and that ‘I am important’. In small doses, I don’t see any real harm in such behavior. If I worked with someone who insisted in speaking in tongues or talking about their space ranger days in the galactic empire, I’d have a talk with HR {Human Relations, what is there a ‘inhuman relations’?}. Overuse of such behavior is very disassociation for the psyche. Taken to extremes, it is a sign of schizophrenia.

    Encouraging it in the clampire is just another way to disassociated the clam from the rest of mankind. It does help breed the us versus them attitude. And that is its intended purpose. Lroon had 30 years to work on his scam, and he borrowed and stole everything he wanted to make his ‘adoring public’. He got his way, if 50-100k ‘adoring public’ was his goal.

    I think he’d be pissed that DM has turned that 50 to 100k ‘public’ into 30k. But he’d be happy with the cash flow.

    • villagedianne

      “Past lives stuff became known (but not that popular) in the early 1900’s . . .”

      That’s like saying that Columbus “discovered” America. Past lives are a major part of Buddhism and Hinduism. Some Hasidic Jews also believe in past lives. It is a very ancient belief.

      • daytoncapri

        Past lives of part of my own memories. As I grew up, didn’t know what to do with that information. Joining Scientology was one attempt to try to get a handle on it. Needless to say, it was a bad choice, and a worthless one. An Ex can dismiss past lives as so much hokem, and I find it easy to agree the the scino-sources of past lives are hokum. The mind is so impressionable to create false memories, and mine are false perhaps, but they still were my own memories before joining Scientology. Whatever the reality, there is plenty that we do not understand.

  • B4you

    I just had an Out of the Office experience!?!

  • Felicity

    Just an update from DownUnder. Yesterday Tony spoke to a packed room in Melbourne (at least 230 eager patrons) and the egregious unclearable criminals from the Colony fell hopelessly under his spell. The collective Jesus Christs and Cleopatras in the audience were charmed by his candor. Even the sole Scientologist in the audience seemed swayed by his honesty.

    • aquaclara

      Yay! Such a great turnout. Hope you had fun, and got to meet many new friends.

      Australia, you guys are awesome.

  • beauty for ashes

    Please help. I’m in shock. I just signed onto facebook and found out that one of the few drugs for my primary condition Dysautonomia called mitodrine is going to taken off the market. Not because it causes bad side effects. Please help me with this petition.
    to learn more:
    http://www.dysautonomiasupport.org/
    SIGN THE PETITION
    https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/Midodrine_FDA
    We are teaming up with Dysautonomia International and other patient advocacy groups in the Dysautonomia, Ehlers-Danlos, Marfans, MCAD, Mitochondrial and Chiari Malformation communities to help hundreds of thousands of patients STAY IN THE FIGHT TO STAY UPRIGHT by ensuring that the FDA does not remove Midodrine from the market in the US due to issues not related to drug safety or side effects. This drug has vastly improved the quality of life for many in our patient communities. Midodrine enables many Dysautonomia patients to raise their dangerously low blood pressure enough to transition from being primarily bed or chair bound to walking, driving , working, doing light housework, moderate exercise, attending church, engaging socially and most importantly becoming more active and independent parents, spouses and family members.
    Why is this happening?
    Midodrine was approved by FDA in 1996, it was approved under the FDA’s accelerated approval regulations for drugs that treat serious or life-threatening diseases. It was approved for the treatment of symptomatic orthostatic hypotension. Midodrine has also been used to treat postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome, orthostatic intolerance, autonomic dysfunction after spinal cord injuries, and other forms of dysautonomia.
    The 1996 approval required Shire, the company that received the approval to manufacture to verify clinical benefit to patients through post-approval studies. Shire marketed their patented version of the drug as ProAmatine. Shire did conduct some post-marketing studies, but these studies were not accepted as proof of efficacy (proof that the drug actually works) by the FDA.

    Although not all patients respond favorably to this drug. NO SEVERE REACTIONS OR SIDE EFFECTS HAVE PROMPTED CONCERN WITH THE FDA. This is a safe medication when used as indicated. Its is essentially the opposite of many common prescriptions on the market that people with high blood pressure take. IT IS NOT A CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE. THERE IS NO RISK OF ADDICTION. There is no substitute drug available for patients who rely on this medication to function daily. We need your help! Let’s make our voices heard in Washington! We need as many signatures on this petition as possible ASAP

    • Robert Hammond

      Done!

      • beauty for ashes

        Thank you!!!!!!!!!! You are not only handsome , you are awesome!

        • Robert Hammond

          : )

    • Miss Tia

      My quick googling showed they first proposed this in 2010!! DAFUQ?!?!

      Done and I added in the comment section this:

      I have a friend who takes this medication and it has POSITIVELY affected her life. To learn that it might be removed has caused her, and I am sure anyone on it, extreme distress and it doesn’t take a medical degree to know that stress/distress is not good for anyone with medical conditions. There have been no adverse side effects to this medication. Just because the manufacturer didn’t fully comply does not mean that patients have to suffer. Fine the manufacturer, give them a deadline, but to make patients go without medication for no logical reason? It’s ridiculous.

      You want to talk about clinical trials. Didn’t Vioxx have clinical trials? That didn’t turn out so well did it? This medication hasn’t had anything like that. PLEASE do not do this.

      • beauty for ashes

        Thank you. Can you imagine a life when you are just a teen that you can’t sit up without passing out. That’s who I keep thinking about. At least I was 28 when I got it. <3 <3 <3

        • Miss Tia

          That’s horrible and I’m so glad you HAVE this medication!! It’s fucking ridiculous the FDA wants to pull these shenanigans. Yes, they didn’t fully comply—but to pull the medication?? That’s why I mentioned Vioxx. There’s a host of meds that DID have clinical trials that they later recalled cuz ‘oops shit our bad’ cuz people were DYING!!!!

        • ScaramouchenFandango

          No way could I imagine that. Horrible. Petition signed.

          • beauty for ashes

            Thanks ! Ps, I love your avi!

            • ScaramouchenFandango

              You are welcome, happy to help. Thanks re: avi. I love cats, my two kittens are named Scaramouche and Fandango and I do sing “Scaramouche, Scaramouche where’s your Sister Fandango”. Sorry if that sets off the B.R song off in people’s heads. Photo not of my darlings, stock shot. Best of luck with everything.

      • salin

        This is one of two medications that stabilized my Mom’s recent health crisis that has been life-threatening. I am near tears, and have to compose myself before I start the end of the day routines for my Mom and I.

        • Miss Tia

          I’m so sorry!! ((hugs)) i hope you put a note, if you sign the petition and include what it did for your mom! ♥

          • salin

            Thanks for the encouragement. Just wrote and submitted it. <3

    • Frodis73

      I signed too. I hope it helps and you guys succeed. What BS that you guys have to suffer over this.

    • Donna Cline Sargent

      done

    • Illinoisian

      Done.

    • jazzlover

      Done. This kind of stuff pisses me off to no end. I hope this turns out the way that it should.

    • villagedianne

      Done.

    • B4you

      One more!

    • ReallyMGM

      Done.

    • salin

      Oh No! The family health crisis I have been dealing with for two months (3 good weeks, and a set back earlier today), stabilized for my mother when a cardiologist got rid of one medication and replaced it with two others – one being midodrine. Her blood pressure was dropping in the morning to critical levels. Despite visits to the ER – and all tests coming back that her various systems were strong, she kept having dramatic and life-threatening drops in blood pressure.

      She has only been on the new regime for three weeks, but it has changed her situation dramatically.

      Thank you for bring this up here, I had no idea. Will sign, and encourage others to do so.

      It is a Big Deal! Just reading this news made my heart nearly stop.

      • beauty for ashes

        I am so sorry Salin. This is a travesty that must be stopped. Thank you. Much love and light to you and your mom. <3 <3 <3

        • salin

          Thank you beauty. Much love to you as well, and gratitude on your behalf that your condition could be mitigated so that life could be more robust. Agree that this travesty has to be stopped.

          I go off topic on such mundane things (mostly ironic humor) – but this is critical. This is the Bunker – I love that you brought this to our attention (and I would have responded without the personal crisis – but am more deeply thankful that you raised the issue due to the personal crisis) – and how many people have responded. Caring, Compassionate, Action oriented.

          Love sent to you Beauty <3 <3 <3

          • skiesareblue

            Signed.

          • beauty for ashes

            If you sent a hug too, I totally felt it. 🙂 ((((hugs back)))))

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Signed, my dear.

    • aquaclara

      All signed, sweets. May the voices make a difference.

      If there’s a letter campaign, too, post it, and I will be happy to do my bit.

      • Miss Tia

        YES!!! We need to write the FDA!!!

        • aquaclara

          Tuesday. WILL write Tuesday. Absolutely. I have a family member with MCAD, which is listed in the article. Have to.

    • beauty for ashes

      I’m welling up with tears in gratitude everybody. Thank you for not only sympathizing with my WTF!??? feelings, but giving support when I asked for it. I don’t want to clog the blog, so if you sign it you can just upvote me and I will know and be grateful. There are a million patients, I believe, in America on mitodrine.

      • Miss Tia

        oh fuck it, CLOG THE BLOG show support and love for beauty for ashes!!!! Give her some love peoples!!! Come on, you deserve better and more than an up vote!!

        • beauty for ashes

          I <3 u and your gigantic heart and mouth, Miss Tia.

          • Miss Tia

            awww, thanks beauty! right back at you!! ♥

            suggest—or it might have been in your fb group—to write to the FDA directly too….if you get like the right department, etc for that, i’ll send a letter—real letter, they sometimes in the day or email pay more attention to letters than emails….but i’d send an email too!!! DELUGE THEM!!!!

    • Rasha

      DOOOT-do-da-DOOOOO! Signed.

    • Kay

      Done…for both beauty and salin.

  • mon elle

    I have suffered for horrendous waves of deja vu my entire life. What made it puzzling was not believing in past lives (not then, not now, not ever). So why would I walk into places I had never visited and know my way around, remembering things I couldn’t explain?

    1). Turns out that my parents took me to a lot more places than I knew when I was really little and I was accessing long-term memories I was unaware existed.

    2). My brain tends to quickly (and inconsistently) process information and convert it from short-term to long-term storage in an absurd fashion. Memories that undergo this rapid processing “feel” as though they are really old (years or months vs. seconds).

    Unfortunately I now suffer from memory loss and no longer know how I was going to end this post.

    • Sarah James

      🙂

  • Robert Ramsay
  • In case anyone missed it: Critical Q&A #28

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddXITW6dbck

    • Supper Powers

      Thanks. I missed it.

      • The last question and Chris’ answer is very important for anyone who wants to understand a mindset of a scientologist. It’s the one where he talks about theta and entheta in relation to clearing a planet.

        • TexasBroad

          I THOUGHT I understood the concepts, and I did in a general way. From the outside, I certainly understood the mechanism for control. Chris laid it all out so clearly that I agree, it gave a deeper understanding of the motivations and behaviors and profound belief of a scientologist…that the “we are helping” isn’t their bald-faced lie but a deeply held belief.

  • mon elle

    Let the dead agenting of Leah begin by 1) accusing her of something she isn’t doing and 2) using her former words when in the cult against her. 🙁

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/leah-remini-discuss-scientology-20-834439

  • anoni81b4u

    Shoop gold!
    I love the pictures on this blog 🙂

    • mon elle

      Hello friend …

      • anoni81b4u

        Hello sweety 🙂

  • Observer

    Apparently Captain Miscavige has had a car customized to his particular requirements:

    F5

  • Ninara Poll

    “The giggle test”? I think I now have a harmless schoolgirl crush on Mr. Atack.

    • B4you

      and i am pretty sure he is going to teach you! – Hey What?

  • anoni81b4u

    one more for the night

  • Hubbard, Miscavige, Cruise, Travolta, Alley – all had happy marriages. In the past lives.

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Something tells me Scientology and Elizabeth Taylor would have been made for each other.

      • pat k

        No she was smarter than that.

        • jazzlover

          She married Richard Burton TWICE 😉

          • Zeruel (Sebastian)

            And seven other times.

            • jazzlover

              Right. But she married Richard Burton TWICE 🙂

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              The only thing separating her from Henry VIII was different genitals and an axe.

          • pat k

            Love him too much to fall for hubtards bs in Hollywood

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    For all the Nation of Islam-watchers, if there are any here. Still haven’t found pictures or video of Stacy Francis from yesterday’s anti-vaccine pow-wow in Atlanta, but there are plenty of videos of Tony Muhammad’s speech. Also found this picture of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. being given bodyguards from the Fruit of Islam.

    • Kim O’Brien

      just looks like a photo of people wanting a photo with Bobby Jr. Why would you say that they are his bodyguards? Seems like a stretch . No reason he would need NOI for protection .

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        Because that’s what the caption said next to the photo on Tony Muhammad’s Facebook page.

        • Kim O’Brien

          did it say who they were guarding him against ? the park is empty . Seems totally ridiculous that Bobby Kennedy Jr would need a bunch of NOI bodyguards . Just sayin . Because they said it on a facebook post ….makes it even more strange to me .

          • Zeruel (Sebastian)

            Big Pharma, presumably. Since the suicide of Jeff Bradstreet, the anti-vaccine movement has been obsessed with the idea that the drug companies are sending contract killers to whack anti-vaccine doctors and activists.

            The anti-vaccine movement is a movement of conspiracy theorists. With two of RFK Jr,’s relatives assassinated by alleged conspiracies, it doesn’t matter who they say they’re protecting him from as long as it maintains the siege mentality.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i just don’t think that they are his bodyguards . not to put too fine a point on it …but a rich white boy with the last name of Kennedy ..is not going to hire a bunch of black muslims to be front and center with the special job of protecting the son of Bobby and the nephew of Jack Kennedy .

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              The FOI bodyguards came courtesy of the NOI. Kennedy didn’t hire them.

            • Kim O’Brien

              then they are just a bunch of black dudes standing near the white guy . Trust me …no Kennedy is going to have muslim bodyguards . Not even ” courtesy” ones .

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              Then he is dumber than we thought, because that is how Tony Muhammad identified them:

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              And another one:

            • Miss Tia

              notice he didn’t properly tag RFK jr on that? he didn’t tag him on the other photo….you know he has a FB!!

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              Really? All I found was just a simple public page, with just his Wikipedia biography.

            • Miss Tia
            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              Huh. You have to enter the exact name to tag someone. Muhammad typed “Bobby Kennedy Jr.” instead of “Robert F. Kennedy Jr.”

            • Miss Tia

              yeah i know that; but you’d THINK they’d want to enter the EXACT name to tag someone and that they’d know his correct FB name….this leads me to believe they weren’t guarding him and the description is a misrepresentation…..

            • Kim O’Brien

              i’m not saying he is a bright bulb …LOL..but if i post a photo on my facebook page with me and Puff Daddy …and I say in the caption that I am his kids babysitter …that does not make it true. Now …if Puff Daddy ALSO posted it on his facebook page and said ” meet my kids new babysitter ” …that would be more convincing

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              No, I don’t think so. This if from Kennedy’s speech: https://katch.me/NVICLoeDown/v/610d1202-920e-330f-ae53-b76ad509dfc9

              “I want to thank Minister Farrakhan for committing his church and his integrity and his credibility to this issue and not being scared of Big Pharma and the other forces that have tried to back us off. I want to thank Minister Tony Muhammad taking up (weapon?) and being fearless about it and being eloquent about it and standing beside me all over this country to rally the American people against these forces, against CNN and against ABC and NBC and the mainstream media.”

            • Kim O’Brien

              ” standing beside me” seems about right . They seem to just next to him . Sweet jesus …how fucking stupid is that guy ?? LOL 🙁 whenever i think ” legit people who know about medicine and stuff “….anti vaxxers and NOI just never pop into my head . Bodyguards of the Kennedy’s are supposed to give their lives for their clients. These guys stand next to Bobby . No way any of them would take a bullet for him ..LOL.

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              Maybe they are for show — again, conspiracy movement which thrives on siege mentality — but just the fact that he’s willing to appear at NOI-sponsored events and with FOI personnel shows just how far he’s gone off the deep end with vaccines. As if his appearance at the Scientology org with Muhammad and Brian Hooker weren’t proof enough.

          • Jimmy3

            It sounds like a joke to me.

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              Nope, no joke. If you listen to the videos from the rally, the speakers spent as much time expounding on the Big Pharma conspiracy to make babies sick, stifle human progress, etc. than the pseudoscience they were supposed to be talking about.

            • Jimmy3

              No. I meant that those particular people are RFK Jr.’s bodyguards. They look like attendees. Someone probably added that bodyguard caption as a joke. Like what Kim is saying, if Robert Fricken Kennedy Jr. really felt threatened, he’d have private security at all times. He wouldn’t rely on the Nation of Islam to provide him with bodyguards. It’s a joke.

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              Like I said, that came from the Facebook page for Minister Tony Muhammad. He is the one who said they were FOI bodyguards. And if you listen to his speeches throughout the event, you’d know he was dead serious.

            • this is his facebook page https://www.facebook.com/tony.muhammad.18/photos

              that photo isn’t there…. can you provide a link for the one you have?

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              He has more than one Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/tony.muhammad.921/photos

            • yeah, just noticed….

            • Miss Tia

              one ends in 18, the other in 921….how many others could he have?! o_O

            • PerpetualOutflow

              Like $cientologists, NOI adherents aren’t known for their sense of humor, so it is unlikely to be a joke.

          • Jon Hendry

            It’s how the NOI is. An unnecessary and highly visible “bodyguard” is the sort of display of fake power and influence they go for. But they might also act as minders and gatekeepers, preventing anyone from accessing Kennedy without NOI approval, and eavesdropping on what Kennedy was talking about with people.

            They did something similar with Michael Jackson.

          • If only Malcolm X had had some NOI bodyguards!

            • Sherbet

              I see what you did there, Mycroft.

      • Miss Tia

        this joke might be too soon—but there IS a grassy knoll on the right there….

        • Kim O’Brien

          THAT WAS AWESOME !!! LOL !!!! 🙂

          • Miss Tia

            couldn’t let that grassy knoll get away! 😉

        • Kay

          Yup…I see that, and on it there is a guy poised with a vaccination gun….

    • Vaquera
      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        Indeed. That’s why I posted this.

        Bet it would be big conversation fodder if Jenna Elfman also showed up.

  • MaxSpaceman

    OT. Family Guy is tossing back a few brewskis with his budds in the local watering hole,

    The Drunken Clam. :))

  • B4you

    Now i know what DM meant when he said “strait up and vertical”. – He was actually saying FUCK YOU!!!!

  • outraged

    Go Leah!! The shit hit the fan on the Daily Fail!!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3289001/Ex-Scientologist-Leah-Remini-reveals-Tom-Cruise-reason-left-Church.html

    Cruise – The truth will out:

  • Jimmy3

    In honor of Australia and Halloween, I am watching The Badabook
    Which is some sort of parody of The Babadook, I think.

    • Just don’t text me in the middle of the night that there is something under your bad.

      • Jimmy3

        Give me your number, just so I can remind myself not to send you middle of the night texts to that number.

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Also check out Picnic at Hanging Rock.

    • aquaclara

      Since we’re going to be in Australia for a few more days, we need more of this stuff. I tried to get some beer and favorite beverages queued up last week, but failed at that miserably. Desserts? Food?

      Ideas needed!

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        DVDs of all the Mad Max movies. Except Beyond Thunderdome.

        • aquaclara

          Ooh, that works. Year of Living Dangerously, too? I loved that movie, too. Mel before he got a little nuts. Well, he didn’t join a cult, so we can still watch him, right?

          • Zeruel (Sebastian)

            Well, he subscribes to his dad’s ultraconservative Catholic theology, so he might have been always nuts. He actually built a church on his property that only he and his family can use.

            • aquaclara

              Yep. Utterly bonkers. But he isn’t awarding faux trophies for that billion dollar donation, or recruiting kids to be his personal slaves, so nuts he can remain. I shall just recall my past life, swooning over the not-nuts-yet Mel Gibson. Those were good days.

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              If what Joe Eszterhas said about his experience visiting Mel with his family is true, he sounds like a nightmare in person.

            • aquaclara

              Are you killing my past life memory? Sheesh.

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              Sorry.

            • aquaclara

              Sure, sure. Now I hafta go make up a new past life circa 1980s.

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              Why not try Kevin Bacon? He’s normal. And ginger.

            • aquaclara

              And from Philly! There we go. My past life was swooning over 1980s Tiger Beat. Sorry, Mel.

            • Robert Eckert

              And he doesn’t need a sarong.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ict8hI2upQI

            • Kim O’Brien

              HEY !!!! HELLO KEVIN BACONS PENIS !!!!

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              See also Hollow Man.

            • Frodis73

              What’s the story? I swear I’d google it, but my computer will lock up if I open more than tab and it’s a huge pain in the ass.

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              Mel Gibson approached Joe Eszterhas, who had found religion after a career writing sleazy erotic thrillers, to write a screenplay about the Maccabees. Eszterhas initially thought that the potential film would be Gibson’s attempt to reconcile with the Jewish community… until he learned that Gibson planned to use the film to convert Jews to Christianity, which Eszterhas, despite being Catholic like Gibson, opposed.

              At some point, Eszterhas and his wife and son were invited to spend a vacation at Gibson’s remote jungle estate in Costa Rica. Throughout the visit, Gibson would fly into violent rages in front of the family. During a visit to the beach, Gibson casually told Eszterhas’ son about how he wanted to murder his wife. The kid became so frightened of Gibson that he spent the rest of the visit sleeping with a kitchen knife under his pillow.

              That’s the story in a nutshell.

            • Frodis73

              Wow. I’m not surprised though. I am one of the few that never really liked Mel, even before he revealed himself to be a hateful, crazy nut. That’s messed up that he scared the guys kid though, what an asshat.

            • Kay

              I agree with you, totally. I just think of him past tense and enjoy him there.

            • Kim O’Brien

              god i loved that man . Then when he went all ” sugar tits ” and jew crazy …my gramma actually called me to let me know that i had to break up with him LOL . Even my imaginary boyfriends are nuts and emotionally unavailable

            • aquaclara

              We are all having to misremember those great past lives!

          • Robert Eckert

            He is in the Sedevacantist cult, which believes that the Papacy has been vacated since John XXIII (a secret Freemason Illuminati) usurped it with all that Vatican II English-language-Mass guitar-playing-nuns stop-calling-the-Jews-Christkillers happy horseshit, so they want a True Pope to restore Medieval Christendom in its full splendor and smite all the heretics.

            • Kay

              You’re kidding, right? Wow

            • Robert Eckert

              No, I’m not kidding.

            • Kay

              Well I’ll be. Kind of explains some of his off the wall remarks.

            • Robert Eckert

              It’s his dad who is really really into this cult, and for a while people hoped Mel wasn’t a true believer but just humoring dad; however, last several years his mind-set is obviously deeply infected.

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              He also said something once about how his Protestant wife would inevitably burn in Hell even though she was a good person. Just for not being Catholic.

            • Kay

              Geez.

            • aquaclara

              Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. There are truly no more normal nutty people any more. But I have switched my past life “memory” to Kevin Bacon after a nice recomme, uhm, recollection.

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              Watch Tremors. One of my faves.

            • Ella Raitch

              That’s a family favourite in my household

            • Kay

              Hey there is a quirky movie that is on almost every film critic’s list of “guilty pleasures” for the past 30 years or so. It’s an Australian film “Strictly Dancing.” I watch it every couple of years. It’s a great flick.

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              Baz Luhrmann directed it. It has Tyrell from Blade Runner.

            • Kay

              I have never noticed the director….just love the film. That’s interesting.

            • aquaclara

              Excellent. Thank you for the mention. I will be sure to look it up!

            • Kay

              Oops…I think the title may be “strictly ballroom” (not strictly dancing) sorry…

            • Robert Eckert

              I’ve seen that one, it’s fun.

            • Kim O’Brien

              Muriel’s Wedding is another good one 😉

            • Frodis73

              I was just going to say that one. I’ve seen it too many times to count.

            • Ella Raitch

              Strictly Ballroom – one of the Baz Luhrman collection!

            • Ella Raitch

              Riiiiiiggghhhhttt……

          • Kay

            Year of living dangerously is a great film….go for it.

      • Eleventy

        DVD’s of The Sum of Us, Proof and The Castle.

      • Ella Raitch

        Australian version of Rake if possible, with Richard Roxburgh – hilarious and quintessentially Australian. His wife made a movie with Tom Cruise so it’s also only about 2 degrees of separation from Scientology.

    • Umm Errr

      • Jimmy3

        Yes, that’s the one. I recognized my typo and edited it to seem like I meant to misspell it. That was like 10 minutes ago.

        • Umm Errr

          Yeah, that was funny.

          • Jimmy3

            This kid is an annoying spaz. I’d just let the Badabook take him.

            • Kay

              Badabook, badabing.

            • Zeruel (Sebastian)

              I want my babadook babadook babadook babadook, I want my babadook babadook babadook babadook… ribs.

            • Robert Eckert

              Sometimes a Badabook make a Goodamovie anyway.

            • Jimmy3

              That made me laugh harder than it should have

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        GAH, WHAT THE FUCK?!

        • Umm Errr

          Don’t tell Jimmy3, but this movie poster is a bit scarier than the movie itself.

          • Jimmy3

            No, this is fucking terrifying. This kid is such an annoying little shit that I’m terrified of the mere possibility of having one of these kids of my own. I won’t sleep for weeks.

            • Kay

              Just looking at the poster is horrifying enough….shivers

  • Supper Powers

    Hey lurking Sea Org.

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Where? (pumps shotgun)

    • anoni81b4u

      Where? (fills water gun)

    • Kay

      Where? (charges taser)

    • Kay

      Oh….that’s nice. I thought we had a sock. I take back my taser remark.

    • Supper Powers

      To the “funny” commenters below… Remember many of our friends here have children or other loved ones in the Sea Org and several Sea Orgers make their way out by lurking here first. I encourage you to put your “weapons” down and reassure those lurkers they can come here anytime.

      • Kay

        I know….that’s why I apologized. I thought you were alerting to an annoying troll. Forgivesies?

      • Zeruel (Sebastian)

        All right. Sorry.

      • Miss Tia

        I didn’t know there was an image til i refreshed for something else! i thought you were just saying ‘hey’….like hi how you doing in a nice way….

        • Kay

          I didn’t see the image either.

      • Jimmy3

        Where? (Loads rose petal pistol)

        • Supper Powers

          You’re my favorite stranger.

          • Kay

            Or…..is he just strange?

            • Robert Eckert

              No, not just strange: he’s stranger

          • Jimmy3

            That’s probably because I’m a safe, responsible stranger. There is candy in my unmarked van, but I don’t offer it to children. I don’t want any snotty kids in my van, eating all my kit kats and twixy bars. Go home, dumbass kids.

            • noseinabk

              You still have your van and candy? You need to get with the times J3. Since Bury and Spf mentioned that everyone posting here could be a serial killer I traded mine in for a cute little VW bug with blacked out windows and am working on my lost puppy story.

        • Kay

          Where? (hands out cash, free food and airline ticket home)

        • beauty for ashes

          This idea makes me happy because of the imagery. Also I have a ton of dried rose petals in my apothecary, so I can sell you ammunition.

      • Nat-leficent

        It’s unfair to single out comedians or dictate what they can or cannot talk about.

        • Supper Powers

          Suggesting is not the same as dictating.

          • Nat-leficent

            Ok

    • nommables

      I think I might print this on some card stock with all the pertinent info on the other side (websites, phone numbers, etc) and keep them in my purse for when we breeze by the orgs.

  • Kay

    I’m a few hours late, but here is the weekly Sunday morning “one of them wrinkly dogs” pics.

  • Supper Powers

    I want to know what everyone’s favorite late night snack or second supper is. Any recommendations?

    • skiesareblue

      Cereal and milk.

    • Kay

      Chocolate chip cookie dough and milk

      • skiesareblue

        If you just happen to have cookie dough laying around! LOL

        • Kay

          I keep it frozen in the freezer….and it never gets baked. LOL

          • Supper Powers

            I like you.

            • Kay

              🙂

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Chicken tenders/paddies.

    • TexasBroad

      Tonight I picked jalapenos, cocktail tomatoes and green peppers from my garden and roasted them with garlic. I’ve mixed it all together and am eating it on hard crackers. I can’t stop. Really. I can’t stop.

      • Kay

        nummy…..

      • Kay

        RU flooded where you are, Ms Texas Broad?

        • Kay

          Guess that was a dumb question since you were picking produce in your yard. Let me re-phrase: Are you having so much rain that you had to use a boat to pick stuff from your yard?

          • TexasBroad

            There is flooding all around the city, but I am safe. I live on high ground. I’m not sure if my business flooded though…it did on Memorial Day weekend. I didn’t try the roads to get there today to check, but am hoping all is well. I will know tomorrow. I think we got 8-10 inches here, but the city of Houston got much more.

            I didn’t need a boat to get to my garden, but I did need galoshes!

            • Kay

              Well I’m glad you don’t need a snorkel in addition to your galoshes, truly. Hope your business is OK.

            • TexasBroad

              Thank you. I hope so too. I pulled up the security cameras on my phone and I think it looks okay…hard to tell at night.

            • aquaclara

              Good luck, Texas.

            • TexasBroad

              Thank you aquaclara — I really think it is fine in my area of town.

            • aquaclara

              Hope so! That’s a massive amount of rain, even for you tough Texans. We wuss out at 3 inches for rain and about 2 1/2 inches less than that for snow. Quite a good gig for certain kids who hate school, who shall remain nameless.

    • Kim O’Brien

      water …with …lemon ..and one watercress .

      OR ..a pint of anything made by Ben and Jerry

      • Kay

        LOL !!

      • beauty for ashes

        mmm. watercress! I will eat a whole bag if I have makado’s ginger dressing. (aka salad crack.)

        • Kay

          LOL….”salad crack”

    • Supper Powers

      Thank you all for playing this edition of Second Supper. As a prize, I will be making or opening the freezer door and eating many of these items listed.

      • Kay

        NOOOOOO….the cookie dough is MINE, ALL MINE !!!! (sound of trigger cocking)

        • Kay

          Step away from the freezer !!!

          • EmmaDaoust

            Put down the cookie dough and nobody gets hurt. 🙂

            • skiesareblue

              Hey girl, where have you been?

            • EmmaDaoust

              Oh, you know, busy :). I check in but not as much. And look at you with the spiffy new avi!

            • skiesareblue

              Oh, busy, eh? 🙂 🙂 🙂
              Thank you for noticing!

            • EmmaDaoust

              emailed ya

            • noseinabk

              Nice Halloween avi skies.

            • skiesareblue

              Thank you, noseinabk! I believe the edges of my circle needs some work!

              What are you reading these days?

            • noseinabk

              I’m afraid my reading list would be pretty boring for most. Since following the bunker I find that I enjoy escaping to fiction books that are light and easy. I am reading The Apothecary’s Daughter and Stephen Kings Revival.

            • skiesareblue

              I like Stephen King, too — just finished Bag of Bones, Needful Things, and re-read Salem’s Lot which originally I found so scary I put it in the trash when I finished it! After the second reading 40 years later, I’m wondering how I could have been so freaked out by it. There was one about a clown that was very scary…can’t remember the title. Ruth Rendell is probably my favourite writer..I think I’ve read all her stuff.

            • ReallyMGM

              The Stand by King is one of my all time favorite books. Might top the list, in fact.

            • Frodis73

              I agree…I re-read it every couple years usually. I’m due for another go around.

            • ReallyMGM

              Same here. It has a good blend of light and dark, good vs. evil. I liked The Passage, too. And can’t wait for the third installment of the series. King’s praise of it was what made me buy it.

            • Frodis73

              I also loved The Passage. Isn’t the last one due this spring?

            • skiesareblue

              It’s on my list.

            • Frodis73

              The clown is from “It”.

            • skiesareblue

              Oh, yes! I remember now. I really dislike clowns, too, for some reason, so this one was doubly terrifying.

            • beauty for ashes

              I read the Shining, at night by myself in a Library. Then had to walk in the dark to get a ride. There was all these tall trees and bushes, and I was terrified. O o

            • skiesareblue

              Why do we do these things? 🙂

            • beauty for ashes

              the sublime pleasure of reading 🙂

            • Robert Eckert
            • skiesareblue
            • Robert Eckert

              But it looks like the skies are black now

            • skiesareblue

              Halloween Tribute! 🙂
              (Maybe I’ll keep them black until the cherch loses their
              tax exemption.)

    • beauty for ashes

      Cheese and crackers. What’s yours?

      • Supper Powers

        Cheater Pizza. Pita in the toaster oven for a few to toughen it up. Then, jarred spaghetti sauce and anything veggie. Broil for a few minutes and you have Cheater Pizza.

        But I like smoked salmon and lemon on crackers. Or Brie with apricots. Or…..

        • Kay

          Can I skip the spaghetti sauce and veggies and just put the chocolate chip cookie dough on top of the pita? Just inquiring……

          • Supper Powers

            If you share, you can make anything you want!

        • beauty for ashes

          figs stuffed with goat cheese wrapped in prosciutto with a glass of red wine.

          • Supper Powers

            Hell yes.

            • beauty for ashes

              Were you here the night lush got a huge provolone as a gift and we all went on and on what to do with it?

            • Supper Powers

              I wasn’t. I’m sure it was a creative evening!

    • aquaclara

      1. Chocolate. When this turns up empty, go to 2.
      2. Check the freezer for hidden chocolate, stashed in the freezer, two shelves down, right in the front. If this fails, well, there is 3.
      3. Any leftovers.

      • Kay

        Hey Aqua….I posted below that I gave you the wrong title for that film…it’s “Strictly Ballroom”

        • aquaclara

          Gotcha!

  • CherryPitz

    If people are looking for a good film that is set in Australia check out The Dish. It’s sweet and funny and also happens to be based on true events.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0205873/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

    Edited for spelling

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      And The Proposition.

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      You know what’s an awesome show to watch from Australia? Media Watch. The humor in the media critique is dry but hilarious.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZFq2-8QNPo

      • Ella Raitch

        Stuart Littlemore – what a blast from the past

  • CherryPitz

    OT:

    A fun yet informative video on gurus, featuring one of my fave people, Brian Keith Dalton:

    http://youtu.be/Zszxeoa94g0

    • Kay

      This is great !

  • Just a few short hours to go until the Scientology cult goes on trial at the Palais de Justice in Brussels charged with many crimes, oh happy day!

    • beauty for ashes

      Oooh, makes me want to sing some gospel music!

    • Supper Powers

      I think I may get out of bed and enjoy some figs stuffed with goat cheese and a glass of red wine to celebrate.

      • beauty for ashes

        PS~my sister has a fig tree in her yard, can you imagine? If she gets goats too, I’m gonna be pissed.

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)
    • Kay

      Doin’ backflips !!!

  • Jenny Griffith

    Nation of Islam will rise through Super Power! It’s not just about auditing, as they were telling people. I have seen many NOI sisters doing the purif and SRD. I came across this Super Power promo and radio show, today.
    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/hereafterisnow/2015/10/24/lets-make-one-thing-perfectly-clear-you-w-superpower-nayyirah-muhammad

    • beauty for ashes

      Just listened to a half an hour. They really have only handled study tech. It sounds so appealing and basic and then sort of takes a left turn into becoming like gods. Did you listen to the whole two hours?

    • beauty for ashes

      This guy is really good at verbal card tricks. An engram was just a bad experience. Just wait til they get to fetal engrams!
      You can be a good Muslim and be a scientologist. (it seems like that now right?)
      Okay so 52:11 might be as far as I go.
      What’s also impressive about this is you never hear scientologist actually preaching this or explaining this, most of what I’m hearing, I either learned from reading dianetics or Tony or exes.

  • TexasBroad

    In my next life, I’m going to attest to being Tony Ortega in my last life and see what happens.

  • Zeruel (Sebastian)

    1,000

  • Nine ninety nine!

    • Zeruel (Sebastian)

      Refresh.

  • willloomis

    theres a big story coming up I can feel it!

    • EnthralledObserver

      What’s happening?

    • Nat-leficent

      Try alka seltzer

    • Tony Ortega

      Yeah, but you gotta give me another day or so. Hold tight.

      • Sherbet

        I have insomnia. Can’t you whisper the story in my ear? I won’t tell a soul.

        • beauty for ashes

          you’ll tell me too right? shhh

          • Sherbet

            Of course.

            • beauty for ashes

              I’m sorry you can’t sleep Sherbs. I can’t stop listening to this NOI podcast talking about scientology that Jenny posted downthread. Would you like some tea?

            • Sherbet

              No, thanks, unless it’s decaffeinated. Sigh…I’ll be a zombie at work tomorrow. Carry on, beauty.

      • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

        I’m hoping for more to emerge on the Cat White story. But anything Remini-related would be dandy.

      • Robert Eckert

        CoS can’t just give you a break from the footbullets so you can enjoy your trip Down Under?

    • skiesareblue

      Smarty pants! 🙂

  • Meanwhile..

  • John McGhee

    Victoria Britton on Belgian TV in the run up to today’s trial in Brussels. http://nieuws.vtm.be/buitenland/163973-mijn-zoon-vermoord-door-scientology

    • Sherbet

      Here’s the Google Translate version:

      In Brussels tomorrow begins the long-awaited trial against the Church of Scientology.
      The federal prosecutor accuses Scientology include extortion and fraud and will prosecute her
      as a criminal organization. NEWS VTM journalist Farouk Özgünes had about a conversation with
      Victoria Britton, an American who came especially for this process to Belgium. Her son died at
      Scientology and she now wants to warn others.

      Victoria Britton her son Kyle was twenty when he died in 2007 in mysterious circumstances
      while staying on Scientology in Florida. “He was shot in the head,” said his mother. “To this day we
      do not know who the trigger is pulled or what weapon was used. His shattered head was
      pushed into a laundry basket. ”

      According to Britton, the Scientology Church ensured that the case was never solved.
      “Scientology has a strong presence in that region and has a lot of money. It is known that
      they harass people that allow them to question or oppose what they say. “

      • skiesareblue

        Tick. Tock.

  • Lady Squash

    Good one John, “For myself, I gave up believing a long time ago, so I have become skeptical of anything that I don’t actually need to believe; including past lives.” I feel the same way.

  • Tony Ortega

    Feeling like enjoying some fine dining in downtown Melbourne tonight. Some wine, well prepared victuals, etc. On the classy side rather than the usual pizza joints and burrito slingers I usually habituate.

    Any suggestions?

    • ScaramouchenFandango

      Am way out of touch due to my long standing financial limitations. I’ll make some phone calls.

    • ScaramouchenFandango

      I liike this place: Florentinto’s: 80 Bourke Street Melbourne http://www.grossiflorentino.com and another suggested place is Society http://www.societyrestaurant.com/ 23 Bourke Street, Melbourne VIC 3000
      (03) 9639 2544 which I haven’t been to and is less up market than Florentino’s apparently.

    • what’sup

      Go to Crown Casino. Spoilt for choice there.

    • Eleventy

      Pastuso. It’s Peruvian, delicious and in AC/DC lane (and yes the street is named after the band)

      • Ella Raitch

        Adding that to my list – a trip to Melbourne in the next six months has recently entered the realm of certainty

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    We’re in the courthouse. First to arrive along with 6 Scientologists. More have just arrived. So 9 Scientologists here.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Jonny Jacobsen is here taking notes. Marcus Thoess is here with his cameraman.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Head of OSA France, Eric Roux, being interviewed by Marcus. F5. Have to put phone away now, will get in big trouble. German Anons have a much clearer photo they are sending to Tony. F5

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      F5 above

      • Tony Ortega

        Nice.

        • what’sup

          When this happened in early February. I was thinking “Yeah, Right”.

          • what’sup

            • beauty for ashes

              I love that hat!

            • Juicer77

              Very stylish XD

    • Betty

      He really shouldn’t put his hands in his pockets like that. It doesn’t look right. lol

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    In his interview Eric Roux stated he was the representative for France and Belgium CoS.

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    John McGhee being interviewed – F5

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Eric Roux told a Belgian radio interviewer that there are some paid anti-Scientologists here.

    • Graham

      I don’t suppose the interviewer thought to ask “Paid by whom?”

    • Juicer77

      Oh goody, the idiocy is kicking in immediately! The media must be eating that up.

  • hansje brinker
    • hansje brinker
      • Graham

        Lots of media interest there!

        • Juicer77

          :))))))))

        • hansje brinker

          Yes indeed! I really hope for a good judgment. Would there be spoken Dutch or French?

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            All in French, Hansje.

    • 0tessa

      Thanks. Are you there?

    • Ella Raitch

      Loving the bibs. Is someone serving bouillabaisse?

    • Graham

      Looks like John McGhee at extreme right (Under the window, to right of the guy with the newspapers)?

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        idk-in the interview pic below he has a blue shirt on,in this pic its grey-but what about the guy on right in back by doors,he has a hat and looks like blond hair,maybe Pete ? lol

        • Donna Cline Sargent

          his hand is in front of his face

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        John and I are sitting together at the back right of this fairly small courtroom. Many more than the original 9 Scientologists are in the court.

        • Juicer77

          So exciting! I wonder how many are witnesses to be called, and how many are just padding? I guess we’ll see. Don’t let your phone get taken away or end up in contempt. 😉

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Actually you can just make me out on the left (blonde straight hair).

      • Juicer77

        There you are!!

      • Donna Cline Sargent

        haha i wondered if that mite be you-i was looking for that gorgeous hair

      • Eivol Ekdal

        Are there prosecution and defence sides to the court room?
        You’re side looks decidedly younger.

      • hansje brinker

        Ah!
        Btw, is there spoken Dutch or French?

        • richelieu jr

          Don’t let the Walloons hear you call their language Dutch!

          • hansje brinker

            Hahaha, it is always a war about that!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Sorry, Hansje, I have only just seen your question. Everything was conducted in French with translators for those who don’t speak English.

          • hansje brinker

            Thanks for answering. I had hoped Dutch was spoken. I consider/considered to come also from Netherlands.

            Perhaps next week. It’s hard to find an agenda of the hearings.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I know the judge said to the afternoon witness: “In Belgium the courts use French.”

      • richelieu jr

        You got a good seat, @i_Betty:disqus!

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      I see you, hi! So happy that you got in.

    • flyonthewall

      i thought this was delayed until 3Nov or so?

  • what’sup

    CoB of RTC is having such a shitty week.

    • Ella Raitch

      Not that there’s anything wrong with that

      • what’sup

        He must be seriously tripping. His poor Lieutenants must be terrified.

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Monday, 26 October 2015.

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,

    Thursday 22nd : SFBay scraped in and saved the day
    Friday 23rd : NO SCORE
    Saturday 24th : SFBay & NY scraped in and saved the day
    Sunday 25th : NY saved the day with a couple of hits (Thanks to Salin and her crew)

    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    Flag the lies, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    Red Riding Hood by Garang enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, and flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16848943870/in/set-72157642802079293

  • Mockingbird

    I would love to get to consult attorneys preparing a fraud case against Scientology.

    Regarding Dianetics being a fraud. The proof is simple. Hubbard definitely knew. He never did the research he claimed, and the evidence that should exist for Dianetics and Science of Survival simply is not there. Hubbard focused at first on claiming Dianetics could cure his own ailments. Additionally he claimed about two hundred seventy original clears in Dianetics but none of them have EVER been found. These people were supposed to be cleared prior to Dianetics publication. Who and where are they ? They’ve NEVER been found or come forward, not one.

    And Science of Survival has very specific claims regarding fine details of medical conditions accompanying tone levels and exact changes as people age, from birth through death. Very detailed claims on types and degrees of diseases and mental states. To scientifically establish this and validate it would take decades and thousands of subjects. If authentic this would have required hundreds of thousands of examinations by doctors and nurses. There would be tens of thousands of witnesses and enough documents to fill a small building. NONE of this evidence has EVER been produced or found. Because Dianetics and Science of Survival are entirely fraudulent.

    • scottmercer

      Okay, there’s always the religious cloak/Defense, but here’s the thing: Scientology did not start as a religion. And yet, Dianetics was not discarded when CoS formed, and remains “Book One.” Maybe a fraud charge could based on Dianetics only?

      • Mockingbird

        Actually, the entire trail of research is bullshit. And the claimsof healing diseases and improving memory and IQ are provable bullshit. By showing Hubbard’s lies the foundation of both Dianetics and Scientology can be shown to be fraudulent.

  • Juicer77

    A little reading from last December while we wait for reports from the Belgian courtroom… Background on this case from Mr. Jacobsen http://tonyortega.org/2014/12/13/jonny-jacobsen-new-scientology-legal-setbacks-in-belgium-france-and-holland/

    • Juicer77

      “The most serious aspect of the case are the criminal organization and criminal conspiracy charges which, if proven would act as an aggravating factor for convictions under any of the other offenses. That indicates that the prosecutors are going to argue that whatever happened was not down to a few zealots but was part an organized criminal enterprise.” (from the above article)

      • richelieu jr

        Yes, this seems keenly observed, I agree…

        • Juicer77

          Reading Mr. Jacobsen’s write-up from yesterday, it’s quite clear that the judges are going to pin them down on the hierarchy of power and money. I’m delighted.

  • Ella Raitch

    Any Walking Dead fans freaking out about episode 3?

    • Juicer77

      STOP I HAVEN’T CAUGHT UP YET *runs away*

      • Ella Raitch

        Ok…..sssssshhhhhhhhhh. You might need some kind of tranquiliser to watch this episode. Alcohol or chocolate recommended.

        • Juicer77

          Ok, thx. As a longtime fan, I have an idea what’s coming. Sucks that we moved right around premiere time and haven’t caught up yet. I’m so paranoid to accidentally read anything on the net!

        • Robert Eckert

          Did they do a George Martin and kill off your very fave character? (Not a WD fan but I know some people who are really into it)

          • Ella Raitch

            It’s a Jon Snow moment. Looks really, realy, really bad but we didn’t get the certainty

  • Gerard Plourde

    Just had an opportunity to read this (busy weekend). As always, it’s a pleasure to read Jon’s insights regarding Scientology.

  • Baby

    Hi Maddie.. I miss you too.. sigh

  • Orville

    A question on Otto Roos- was he any relation to Charles Otto Roos? (An early 20th century poet, playwright and what would now be known as a “plastic shaman”.)