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VIDEO LEAK: Rare look at Captain David Miscavige giving shipboard Scientology briefing

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On Friday, we showed you a wild five-minute Scientology testimonials video which featured actress Erika Christensen. The video included dozens of Scientologists gushing in rapid-fire manner about how some repackaged 1950s lectures by L. Ron Hubbard had changed their lives.

“It’s straight out of this universe,” Christensen said at the tail end of the video. “It is! It’s straight out of this universe!”

It turns out, that five-minute testimonials video was first revealed at a very special gathering: Opening night at Maiden Voyage 2006.

If you’re new to Scientology watching, that designation may not mean a lot to you. So let us set this up a little before we reveal what we managed to track down — the entire hour-and-forty-five minute briefing from that night featuring Scientology’s leader, Captain David Miscavige, in his full Sea Org quasi-naval regalia.

Some context: The Scientology year is punctuated by a few major events that all Scientologists who can afford to go are encouraged to attend. They are the New Year’s Eve celebration in Los Angeles, the L. Ron Hubbard Birthday Event in Clearwater, Florida (on or near Hubbard’s March 13 birthdate), and the International Association of Scientologists (IAS) anniversary gala which is usually held in England in October.

There are other important dates on the Scientology calendar (Dianetics Day — May 9, and Auditor’s Day — second Sunday in September), but there’s one celebration in particular that we’ve always wanted to know more about — Maiden Voyage.

It’s a weeklong event to commemorate the first voyage of Scientology’s private cruise ship the Freewinds after the church purchased it and put into service in 1988. Jason Beghe, the actor who left Scientology and was recently featured in Alex Gibney’s documentary, Going Clear, told us that he made multiple trips to Maiden Voyage (but we don’t see him in this video). He said that one of the reasons he hated Maiden Voyage was having to don formal wear on a ship in the Caribbean in June or July. The heat and humidity was brutal, and the last thing you wanted to be wearing was a tuxedo.

Beghe was invited because he was one of Scientology’s brightest stars at the time — a celebrity who was racing up Scientology’s “Bridge to Total Freedom.” And the other invitees are also very special. They are the “OTs,” the wealthy church members who have spent anywhere from half a million to a million or more paying for expensive levels and donating to various causes over their church careers. Over that week, Miscavige gives the glittering crowd of OTs briefings about Scientology’s various initiatives, but he also previews new releases. The wealthy in-crowd gets a sneak peek of what everyone else will hear about a few weeks later, when video of the Maiden Voyage nights are played at Scientology’s “orgs” — churches — around the world.

In recent years, we’ve seen leaked video of various New Year’s Eve, LRH Birthday, and IAS events. But a Maiden Voyage video is much rarer. We didn’t know, for example, that Miscavige would deliver a briefing on the ship while decked out in his full Captain of the Sea Org naval get up. And it’s fun to spot who we can in the audience.

When this event was filmed in June 2006, former number two man Marty Rathbun had already been out of Scientology for a couple of years. Scientology’s spokesman, Mike Rinder, tells us he didn’t attend because Miscavige was disciplining him (Rinder would soon be tossed into “The Hole,” and many other top members of “exec strata” were also being punished and didn’t make the trip). But Rinder was surprised when we pointed out that we had spotted Church of Scientology International president Heber Jentzsch sitting in the front row. Jentzsch has spent years in The Hole, but was apparently allowed out to take part in Maiden Voyage that year.

 
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[Jenna Elfman, Heber Jentzsch, and Stacy Francis]

 
Others we spotted in the audience were actress Jenna Elfman, singer Stacy Francis, and singer Angelo Pagan, who is married to actress Leah Remini. Our sources tell us that Leah didn’t attend the event, and that Pagan was one of Miscavige’s favorite performers and entertained on the ship during the week. Also, we see Grant and Elena Cardone on the right side of the audience — Elena shows up in the testimonials video, as we pointed out Friday, and Grant was already a Miscavige favorite for doing some dirty work for him.

And another face really stunned us. It was Rinder who pointed out that sitting on the left in the front row was Rena Weinberg, the Sea Org officer who ran the Association for Better Living and Education (ABLE), which in turn oversaw the Narconon drug rehab network for Scientology. Rena disappeared not long after this event in June 2006. She was seen in The Hole by Rinder, and to this day she’s never re-appeared at ABLE or anywhere else in public. Is she still in the Hole? Has she been shipped somewhere else to keep her out of the public eye? And what was her crime, exactly, that has required that she be vanished for nine years?

 
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[Angelo Pagan, Grant and Elena Cardone, and Rena Weinberg]

 
Other luminaries that Rinder spotted in the crowd: David and Sheila Gaiman — parents to famous writer Neil. Matt and Kathy Feshbach. Sue Price, Lurie Belotti, Colm and Janet McLaughlin, Craig and Sally Jensen, Jeff Pomerantz, Terri Novitsky, Sue Moore, Jim and Tamra Meskimen, David and Benetta Slaughter, Michael Phillips, and Miscavige’s speechwriter, Dan Sherman.

And there were other surprises besides who’s in the live audience. During his talk, Miscavige used video clips to illustrate his speech. About twenty minutes into the presentation, as Miscavige is boasting about the expansion of the Narconon network, we see the grand opening of Narconon Stone Hawk East in Michigan — which would be renamed Narconon Freedom Center, and was mentioned in a recent story we posted. At its opening, Priscilla Presley makes the scene, and we think we can also briefly glimpse Per Wickstrom.

At the forty-three minute mark, as Miscavige is boasting about success in South Africa, he celebrates Ernest and Gay Corbett — who are now suing Scientology.

Another surprise, for us: After the hour mark, Miscavige talks about a worldwide barnstorming mission by the ambassadors from the Freewinds, who held large gatherings in places like England and Taiwan and Milan, Italy. At these gatherings, large numbers of Scientologists were put through “Upper Indoctrination Training Routines” — exercises which look bizarre to the outsider. Here’s something interesting going on in Milan…

 
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While in Toronto, a large number of Scientologists do their Upper Indoc TRs by walking another person around a room. Touching walls is involved, so some temporary plywood “walls” have been set up…

 
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While the same setup at Saint Hill Manor in East Grinstead, England required that temporary walls be set up in a field….

 
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And we love this shot of Taiwanese children drilling on TR 8, telling an ashtray to stand up and sit down, etc. You rarely see Scientology using images like this today…

 
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We’re looking forward to all of the things you spot in this briefing, which we found posted online in three sections. Let us know what you pick out, and also tell us how much you dig seeing David Miscavige in his Sea Org regalia. Oh Captain, My Captain!

 
Part 1

 
Part 2

 
Part 3

 
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Nice UK smackdown of Scientology nutritional woo

We were happy to help out Gabrielle Monaghan of the Sunday Times who dug into a naturopathic “college” that promotes dangerous nonsense, and happens to be run by an OT 8 named Hermann Keppler. She checked with us about Keppler’s bona fides, and they are solid. He completed OT 8 in 2012, also L10 and L11, and just weeks ago he showed up in a promotional flier for the new media center in Los Angeles at the old KCET studios. So yes, Keppler is a very involved, high level Scientologist, and he’s also selling the woo that ensnared Miss World Rosanna Davison.

It’s a nice, clean hit, and the kind of thing we’d like to see other newspapers do more often.

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Juliette Lewis performing last night at the Hollywood Celebrity Centre, in a concert that benefited the LAPD Police Activities League…

 
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Tom Cummins giving his presentation in Taiwan — every whale has to pull his weight in COB’s navy!

 
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BOOK NOTES
3D-Unbreakable

We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Tony Ortega’s upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
Sept 15: Phoenix, Barrett the Honors College, Arizona State University, ASU in Downtown Phoenix campus, Walter Cronkite Theater, 5:30 pm

Sept 23: Cleveland, Parma Heights Library, 7pm sponsored by Center for Inquiry – Northeast Ohio

Sept 24: Minneapolis, Grumpy’s Bar & Grill, 2801 Snelling Ave, Roseville, 7 pm, sponsored by Minnesota Atheists

Sept 27: Portland, Friendly House, 1737 NW 26th Ave, 12:45 pm, sponsored by Humanists of Portland

Sept 28: Seattle, Razzi’s Pizzeria, 7 pm, with Seattle Skeptics and Seattle Atheists

Sept 29: Vancouver, BC, Seven Dining Lounge, 7 pm

Oct 14: London, premiere of Louis Theroux film, ‘My Scientology Movie’

Oct 23: Sydney, Giant Dwarf Theatre (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 25: Melbourne, venue secured (announcement coming later)

Oct 28: Adelaide (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 30: Perth

Past dates: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4), Boston (8/24)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 6, 2015 at 07:00

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SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

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  • arcinva

    About 4 years ago, I posted the below to another board and then emailed Nancy Many, Jeff Dawkins, Tory Christman, Astra Woodcraft, and Jenna Miscavige-Hill, and Amy Scobee (the high-profile exes that I could find contact information for at that time). Everyone responded (thanks guys!) and some had a little information to contribute but most of it was a little outdated (from the late 90’s) because everyone had been out for a while. So I’m going to repost now and see if any of you more recent exes might have any more recent information to contribute. It would be very appreciated!

    I am looking for any information anyone might have on Bob Diskin. He is
    the uncle of a friend of mine and my friend has asked if I could find
    any information on him. In searching the web, I was able to find a
    reference to his job title in 1994 being HGB T/Chief Officer. I found
    that HGB is the Hollywood Guaranty Building but cannot find information
    on what T/Chief Officer indicates. I also do not know if this is the
    position he still currently holds. The only other reference I found was
    in Astra Woodcraft’s declaration on the Ex-Scientology Kids web site. I
    guess we are mostly interested in where he is now and what he’s doing.
    I have gathered from another person that Bob is married to Joan Diskin
    who is in OSA and mentioned in Nancy Many’s book.

  • Bert Allen

    DM needs more medals and ribbons. Doesn’t look like he has done anything in his Sea Org career based on that narrow chest.

  • aegerprimo

    I cannot listen to David Miscavige speak. My fur baby says PFFFFT!
    (refresh)

    • Baby

      Hahhahaha.. Perfect!

  • Susan_Qbird_Poche

    What in thunderation?

    Fake F*cking PHONY fraudulent
    mocked-up made-up make-believe
    invented, counterfeit
    fabricated fictitious fucked-up forged FAKE
    pseudo god damned ASS-umed military “uniform”!

    *sputter* *spit*

    All used for a scam. Yeah… that’s just perfect.

    Not exactly Stolen Valor… but…

    Where exactly does the Con-Cock-ed Captain David Miscavige

    “Sailor”-Who-Can’t-Even-Untie-a-Simple-Knot

    shop for his shit?!!!

    Fake Military Uniforms-R-Us? Yard-sale buy-in’ fake fuck.
    Yeesh.

    • Susan_Qbird_Poche

      And Draco – my ass is chapped again.

    • salin

      Great rant!

    • MM

      It almost sounds like you’re a bit upset, Qbird… F5

      • Susan_Qbird_Poche

        oh yes – the fake military uniforms is insulting to anyone who has ever served in the REAL military; people who put their lives on the line…
        always has, always will.
        It ain’t right. It’s wrong. It’s FAKE.

        p.s. nice pic.

        • MM

          I hear you, it just so happens that I know those clown uniform shops like the one in your picture IRL. The one in your photo is in Berlin, probably at the site of the former Allied Checkpoint Charlie. Unfortunately, I also know the original meaning of most of the grossly mismatched, and or cheaply faked, uniform parts in the photo 🙁

          In case you didn’t know, we call the nice birdie Eisvogel (literally ‘Ice Bird’).

    • Baby

      PREACH BIRD !

    • Jimmy3

      Switched up the coffee, Q? Angry Q-bird suits you well.

    • LongtimeLurker

      ….welllll…pretty close to Stolen Valor.

      I’m currently trying to find out if any of the ribbons they use are just ripped-off from real life…

      …for that very reason.

      • MaxSpaceman

        From a post around October 2013. Dee Ribbons. And a pic of Miss Cabbage w/ more of the glory showing.

        • Susan_Qbird_Poche

          guess he gonna need another gd uniform for all those fuckin’ fake medals.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Yeah, it’s a shame the Stolen Valor movement wasn’t around when Hubbard was alive.

          But if I can prove Sea Org is handing out ripped off ribbons etc, it could be good for some bad publicity.

          Thanks for the pics.

  • Annie

    I gotta hand it to Miscavige, though…the man doesn’t even TRY to sound sane. Just a sentence in and he’s spouting impenetrable gobbledygook about what really powers the ship (forget that mundane horsepower horseshit):

    “…call it the sum total of agreement with a new reality…the cumulative power of beings defined as light year kilotons per second and measured by the distance around which they control their environment…”
    -Mr. David Miscavige

    Riiiiiiiiight.
    No wonder he’s terrified of meeting a psychologist.

    • stanrogers

      It’s not quite as incoherent as it sounds (with a heavy emphasis on the word quite). It’s a riff on foot-pounds per second (of which there are 550 to the horsepower); it just misses the fact that a pound is a unit of force, not mass (so the kilotonnes should have been expressed in Newtons — and meganewtons would sound way cooler), which, frankly, is the sort of error I would expect most uneducated laymen raised with American Standard or Imperial measures to make.

      (You have no idea how much it hurt to say that, both as a scientifically literate person and as a psych shill on the fringes of the internet who’s still waiting for his pharma cheque — which I’ve probably just disqualified myself from now. But it does explain why a large roomful of people who aren’t, and couldn’t possibly be, as stupid as their actions often lead us to believe didn’t collectively rise, throw down a flag, throw up their hands, and say “I’m calling bullpuckey on that play.”)

      • Annie

        Yeah, I’m with you. My dad’s a nuclear physicist who begins to twitch whenever forced to listen to an LRH quote on any such related topic, and I was just imagining that regardless of whatever small hold Miscavige may still have on logic (or what was written for him anyway) would still make him cringe. But me, I’m just a biologist. I prefer my abstracts…less abstract. 😉

  • joan nieman

    I tried to listen to Miss Cabbage, but had to finally shut him off. I listened to Chris all the way through , I guess it is because he is speaking the truth and with a much more pleasant voice. Good video Chris.

    • Draco

      And he’s funny 🙂

  • LongtimeLurker

    Well…that was…a view into something truly awful.

    I’m gonna go pretend I’m a WW2 tank commander to get the taste out of my brain.

    For everyone else, here’s a picture of a child and puppy being awesome in a field.

    http://cdn.sheknows.com/articles/young-boy-with-puppy.jpg

    • Sherbet

      You suffer from insomnia, don’t you, Lurker? Should you save DM’s presentation for one of those nights when sleep eludes you?

      • Kestrel

        That could result in nightmares.

        • Sherbet

          True. I’m afraid to listen, myself.

          • Draco

            It’s ok – it sort of becomes a background drone after a while. You won’t actually hear a fraction of what he says unless you make a concerted effort to stay tuned in. I’ve never been able to manage it.

      • LongtimeLurker

        I do and lol!

        I’ve only watched one, so maybe I should.

    • Jimmy3

      Kid has about two years until that wolf puts him on the menu.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Yep. But what a joyful two years they’ll be.

        • Jimmy3

          Several years ago, a friend of mine bought a wolf pup, because he’s an idiot, so of course he did. He’d raised a few pit bulls who were very well behaved and he figured it was no different. About two years later, I’m watching the 6 o’clock news, and they have helicopter footage of this wolf walking down the sidewalk. “WOLF ROAMING STREETS” the caption read.

          I texted him, “Holy shit… That’s your wolf on channel 5, isn’t it?”

          He texts back hours later, “Yeah. Fucking [girlfriend] left the door open.”

          They fined him and took it away from him before anything terrible happened. But you know something terrible was gonna happen.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Holy cow.

            “That’s your wolf on channel 5…”

            You don’t want to have to be saying that to a friend.

            • Jimmy3

              “Hey, remember that time your wolf was on the news?” isn’t even the funniest or craziest story with this guy. So it’s okay.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Ahhh…one of those friends.

              I used to be that guy in my group. Before I got it together (a bit).

              They’d be handy stories if you’re wingman-ing each other, though.

              Notice how I haven’t asked what happened to the wolf? I’ve already decided he was fine and was taken to a wolf commune where he lived a long and happy life.

          • beauty for ashes

            Please accept this artist’s rendering as a token of my affection for your storytelling. ;)f5

            • XD

            • Jimmy3

              Thank you. Big fan of piglet tails.

            • Draco

              Aw man! That’s so cute…looks like he let his little daughter groom him 🙂

            • beauty for ashes

              It is, and I just like to guess what Jimmy looks like, so far I’m not so psychic.

      • flyonthewall

        nu-uh, didn’t you ever see White Fang? Jack London’s classic novel of courage and friendship comes to life in this touching drama starring Ethan Hawke. I bet you didn’t know I write movie synopsysyssysysys did you?

      • Kay

        laughing hysterically here……

  • beauty for ashes

    Collecting Bunker stats. How did this video make you feel? **giggles**
    No seriously I just checked and I made it to only 14:45 on the first video and felt disappointed with myself. At the point where he said, now we’re starting this meeting, I felt like I had no idea what he just said. Okay maybe some coordinates….. and zoom zoom we go real fast. Oh and he said Nay-pal for Nepal! Good job Davey!

    • LongtimeLurker

      …as if I was a member of the wrong species.

      • beauty for ashes

        I know you’re really a wombat. It’s okay with me, I just wish you felt you could be honest about it.

        • LongtimeLurker

          One day. *sniff*

          …ooooh look, yummy gumnuts!

    • SP Wogsy

      I got to :25 secs. I’m still on my first cup of coffee.

    • scottmercer

      He said something about “kilotons of light years per second” and I had to just turn it off. About 4 minutes in.

      • beauty for ashes

        LMAO!!!! That’s amazing. Yeah light years are really heavy!

  • Madison KinSmed

    Not Scientology but Twelve Tribes. Still interesting bc here is another group using children for labor and getting away with it bc of First Amendment:

    http://www.psmag.com/books-and-culture/children-of-the-tribes?Src=longreads&mc_cid=fa31253ef6&mc_eid=1dd196b8dc

  • Sunny Sands

    They have folks working on the Narconon Suncoast grounds in Clearwater today on Sunday. Sorry to say, it’s looking like a grand opening will be coming soon.

    • Mark

      Isn’t the sink-hole season about to open, Sunny? Keep your fingers crossed…

      • Sunny Sands

        I think it’s always sinkhole season, but hurricane season is here until Dec. 1.

        • Mark

          (Evil chortling) 😉

    • Draco

      Oooh… will the Bunker be represented there? Baby? Got your Pffft skills tuned up and ready to go?

  • Mark

    Oh dear, I’m feeling distinctly queasy after watching ninety-odd minutes of the shrimp psycho regurgitating his tired old rubbish. The only consolation is there’s even more chances now to freeze-frame his ugly mug and re-use it in shoops—and that even the Caribbean gets choppy occasionally. Does anybody know if the Freewinds still has working stabilisers? (Refresh by swabbing down with a mop and bucket):

    • daisy

      I may have been remiss in telling the shoopers how much I enjoy them. So talented all of them.

    • Fabulous puke, Mark!

    • Susan_Qbird_Poche

      Mark. i am quite in love with you. You make me laugh so hard sometimes.
      (kisses Mark right on his wonderful noggin.)

    • Draco

      Yay! I knew you would get something out of this drek, Mark. As I was watching his different facial expressions I was thinking there is so much material here for our master shoopers to work with! Hope you got some more up your sleevies 😀 Thanks for the giggles.
      Re the stabilisers – I have a friend who said he got sea sick every time he went on the boat. And you can’t take drugs for that! Can you imagine what the original sea org boats were like? Must have been a nightmare for those who get motion sickness.

      • pluvo

        You can’t take drugs when you are on auditing. You HAVE to take drugs when you are a staff member (as per Hubbard’s policies/orders). Taking the drugs and going to study was ok. I hated them as I didn’t agree with them because they had the same effect like strong sleeping pills on me. Try not to dope off in the course room and somebody telling you to find your MUs or getting send to ethics.

  • Sarcasmo

    So I broke down and put on the first video to play in the background while I work on more productive things. A fee things stick out. As has been mentioned, Miscaviage just rolls out bullshit detail after bulshit detail, so hat it’s hard not to fall into a trance. Before you can think about what was just said he’s thrown three new sets of numbers at you.

    The other, more interesting thing I noticed is how often DLHDM ends his stories about what great work $cientology is doing “…and it’s all being paid for by the government of…” If I was sitting in the crowd or otherwise watching the video I’d be wondering why I keep getting hit up for more and more cash if all these great programs are already being funded by governments, grants, etc..

    • Draco

      Exactly my thoughts too!

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Jeffery Augustine has pointed out that Scientology’s legal team has insisted that the Sea Organization does not actually exist. It has no members, no legal existence, no money, no property. It is purely fictional.

    David Miscavige is just a little boy playing dress-up in his favorite bows and ribbons.

    • Sunny Sands

      Pure fantasy, sounds about right.

  • Jill Barras

    I’ve been a lurker for about 1 1/2 years and decided to finally get involved in a conversation. Yesterday, I chimed in and offered an opinion about someone who made a rude condescending comment. My response was in no way rude nor condescending, just a friendly “standing up” for someone. My question is: Is this not allowed as I was accused of “piggybacking” a conversation, which wasn’t the case at all. It was insinuated that I was mentally ill and just an insane woman.

    Am I wrong or is this a place where we can speak freely and respectfully? I wouldn’t want to break any rules.

    • Susan_Qbird_Poche

      Jill. You speak freely. Period.

      • salin

        Yep. I know I have deservedly taken a few.

    • I think you need a rep before you can suggest how people behave. Lol.
      ETA: Just keep posting and things usually turn out right in the end 🙂

      • noseinabk

        I don’t post enough to have a rep and still feel free to suggest how people should behave. 😀 Suggestion 1. If all you want to talk about is corsets, strippers, panties and such, you are on the wrong forum. 2. Move on and don’t post just to say you are butthert.

        • Annie

          Hmm…we did have a rather raucous panty discussion yesterday….

          • 🙁

            • Annie

              Well, it really was a “true crime” current events story. 🙂

          • noseinabk

            Sometimes conversations naturally go off topic. I get it and we have fun with it. But if I start to post every day about my undergarments, please feel fee to tell me to stfu.

            • Annie

              Maybe. I reserve the right to continue the thread if your underwear turns out to be fascinating. 😉

        • You have a rep as being very judicious, my dear 🙂

        • Draco

          Part of what makes this forum what it is, is the fact that we can talk shit during the occasional lull in the conversation. Even though the vast majority have never met and probably never will, we do form bonds here and sometimes we just like to shoot the breeze. Nobody HAS to read them. And it has never prevented us from commenting on the business at hand. Sometimes there is only so much we can say about an article.

          • salin

            And sometimes the topic of the day is so mind-blowingly horrible (think the other day with the Narconon case charging that they got future clients/patients drunk or high before signing their contract, in order to be able to get MORE money from insurance for detox.) that the diversion conversations allow not curling up into a ball and crying.

            • Draco

              Yes.

          • noseinabk

            I love most of the off topic posts. I was just being a smartass.

            • Draco

              Oy… and you did it with such a straight face I did not realise that! 😉

      • salin

        Maybe not a rep – but at least build some rapport with the person/poster before suggesting behavior corrections. Otherwise, it never is read well.

        Staying to the common topic, generally is a great starting point on any virtual community.

    • Annie

      I’m a two year lurker myself…out from the shadows for a day or two. All I can say is, if you’ve been lurking that long, you probably have a pretty good idea of how conversations here go. Yes, I’ve see “newbies” get shut down sometimes. There’s wonderful folk here, but occasionally a “cool kids” clique mentality that, from what I’ve seen, vanishes pretty fast and people readily apologize if called out on it. Personally, I’ve not had any issues the past couple days. Welcome!

      • Just FYI: In my case, it’s not about being cool; it’s about not getting catfished (again).

        • Annie

          I don’t know anything about this particular interaction. I’m only saying that I’ve noticed a small amount of that from some users (none of whom I’ve even seen around in recent months) over the last couple years. But that overwhelmingly (and exclusively, in my case), people are warm and welcoming. And fun!

          What’s “getting catfished” mean? Forgive my ignorance. : )

          • 1. to lure (someone) into a relationship by means of a fictional online persona.
            “he was being catfished by a cruel prankster”

            ETA: It’s not happened to me personally (that I know of) yet (except as part of a group). But I’ve seen it happen. It’s bullshit. People think they’ve made a friend but it’s just a crazy person acting.

            • Annie

              Don’t hafta worry about SPs…but sadly, jerks are real.

    • TexasBroad

      Welcome Jill. While it is not uncommon for commenters here to disagree, it is pretty rare that it gets ugly or uncomfortable. I’m new too, but my two cents (since you asked) is that it did seem odd to me that this was where you chose to jump in and introduce yourself. Still, it was your right to do so. No rules. Keep jumping in.

      • Annie

        Agreed. Things often “read” wrong online, where we lack the benefit of tone, inflection, facial expression, and an almost infinite host of verbal and nonverbal social cues. I’ve always found it best to try to be as little defensive as possible and try to check my (admittedly sometimes) thin skin at the door.

        • That’s why I use pics, gifs, shoops and 😉 ;'( XD ;D 🙂

      • Jill Barras

        I saw someone trying to explain his words, but he kept getting attacked which is why I jumped in.

    • daisy

      I am fairly new myself to posting, so you may or may not want to listen to me. If you have been lurking for that length of time, you know already who and who not to interact with. There is a collapse thread for a reason.Most people have their specific quirks and personalities. It is always good to get different perspectives. I myself have disagreed with people and just this am. had to issue an apology. People usually don’t mean to offend but it is the forum and the human condition. I read the exchange you are speaking about , I suggest you ignore each other. Yes we can speak freely but it is in the eye of the beholder what is respect or not. No rules, although some of us have trouble staying on topic. I am including myself in that pot. No one has kicked me out for doing so. Welcome the other guys bring the snacks. Todd and I usually have spare booze. If you get drunk don’t sit by Sherbet , she doesn’t like weepy drunks

      • Lol

      • Draco

        And don’t leave your drink unattended near Daisy… it’s not safe…

        • TexasBroad

          That’s what keeps happening to my drink!

          • TexasBroad

            For Daisy. F5

            • daisy

              Peed a little. I am going to invest in the good diapers.

          • Draco

            Yup…

      • daisy

        Also for some reason Lurker likes to pretend he is gay. He is not

        • LongtimeLurker

          That’s BS!

          That mistake was totally on you.

          • daisy

            lol It was you who talked about womens shoes.

      • jazzlover

        It was me she attacked. Do you have a sense that I am worthy of that in any way? If you or anybody else here feels that I am, I will just go away. Regardless of what his/her impressions were, making them known aggressively in an insulting manner AS A VERY FIRST POST is not a normal way to enter any social situation, internet or not, and is about as “socially awkward” as it gets. Would you involve yourself in a discussion between 2 OTHER people unsolicited? If so, would you feed the fire by insulting one of the participants? Would you then make it a point to parse everything that person says so that you could draw conclusions about their character without actually knowing their character? That was the situation yesterday. Fwiw, (and despite saying that you read the exchange, you probably missed this), I joked to Lurker that he didn’t need to get married to have a baby. In fact, I advised against it (and no apologies for doing so). The next thing I know I was being labelled a woman-hating misogynist. Again, if you or others believe that’s who/what I am, I will go away.

        • salin

          I hope that you don’t think that most think that, and that you won’t go away. I missed the exchange – was on and off (more off) most of the day. That label that you describe is not how I would characterize what I know of you from our interactions.

          • jazzlover

            Thanks for saying that. I always try to be respectful of people in general, and here especially so since I recognize that many have been through some pretty painful and heinous experiences. Aside from that, I try to completely avoid getting involved in other people’s disagreements. Socially speaking, it’s just poor form. Thanks again, Salin! 🙂

        • daisy

          My post had nothing to do with you. I do not take sides, she asked me a question. I went out of my way to be diplomatic to you both. I have enough fights of my own to deal with

          • jazzlover

            I wasn’t asking you to take sides. How could your post have nothing to do with me if it was me she was speaking about? You lurked for a while before posting and actually replied to one of my posts (unsolicited) saying how you admired my sense of humor. You had a completely different impression of me than she did. Ask yourself how that could possibly happen (since I don’t change personalities willy nilly), and remember that, before you go dispensing advice, the one she was talking about was actually undeservedly insulted and attacked. Real people, real situations. No hypotheticals. I don’t usually get all “butthurt”. My brain is my greatest weapon, and I can handle myself. But I certainly don’t come here to tolerate insincere, disingenuous “child-like innocence” that she posted in her first post today.

            • daisy

              Jazz I am sorry if I am not saying what you want to hear. MY opinion of you hasn’t changed but I can only speak for myself. It is a generalized statement to say that 2 parties who disagree and can not agree to disagree to ignore each other. That was at the crux of my posts.

    • pluvo

      Ignore it and keep on talking. When I started to comment here and was defending somebody from the Independent Scn I got an earful. But I also suggest try not to be too sensitive about it. For one who jostles you, there are so many who don’t. Otherwise I agree with Annie.

    • SP Wogsy

      Collapse thread is your best friend.

    • flyonthewall

      you can say pretty much whatever you want, just run it by me first mkay? Thank you

      • SP Wogsy

        Knock knock

        • flyonthewall

          who’s there?

          • NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

            • flyonthewall

              NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO who?

      • Jill Barras

        lol

    • Juicer77

      Feel free to speak freely. Friendly reminder: please remember that context and humor/sarcasm do not always translate in printed comments. 🙂 Welcome!

    • pluvo

      What do you think of Miscavige and his speeches?

      • Jill Barras

        I might be biased as I have a cousin who has disconnected from us, but how in the world can DM get those continuous run-on sentences out of his mouth with out taking a breath. What in the world is he saying and does anyone who is not a Scientologist actually understand him? The videos are bullshit and pure propaganda. I live in a South East city with an ideal org, and the building is beautiful, but always empty. So is the large parking lot. I drive by at different times to and from work and have never seen a car in the lot. What a smug little bastard he is!

    • Jimmy3

      It’s okay. I had a similar experience. When I first started commenting here, it was insinuated that I was mentally ill and just an insane woman. But I said, “FUCK YOU, DOC!!! I’m going back to the Bunker where Nazi Psychlos don’t treat people this way!”

      Of course, I couldn’t do that because of court and judges or whatever. But I’m here now, and that’s what counts. Freedom of spooch all the way.

    • Robert Eckert

      Attacking another poster as your first post does not create a good impression.

      • Jill Barras

        I wasn’t attacking at first, I was agreeing with you, he went on the attack first. I might be wrong, but I felt that he was just not understanding you, or he was not listening to you. Sorry if I made a bad impression, but at first my intention was good. When I felt attacked, I responded.

        • Robert Eckert

          I thought your first post was hitting him for joshing with Lurker that Lurker wasn’t the marrying type.

    • LongtimeLurker

      There aren’t any rules.

      Just opinons.

      This isn’t Scientology. In any way.

      • Jill Barras

        Is piggybacking ( I’ve been accused of that) bad etiquette? I thought it was okay to offer an opinion in the middle of a conversation. Apparently, this is frowned upon as told to me by a member, in no uncertain terms.

  • Jim Gideon Cherkas

    Not that many people smoke anymore so use of an ashtray is kind of dumb it reminds people that Hubbard was a chain smoker so he thought everybody would have an ashtray handy part of the religion you can’t lift a book up in the air you have to lift an ashtray otherwise it squirrel

    • Those suckers are expensive too! $12 at a restaurant supply store in L.A.

    • flyonthewall

      it’s indicative of fundamentalism and extremism that they insist on using ashtrays and walls. Scientologists would call using anything else squirrel, muslim fundamentalists would call it bid’ah

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bid%E2%80%98ah

      • Jews — not kosher
        Evangelicals and JW’s — “worldly”

        • flyonthewall

          Funny that they only consider it a religion for PR and tax purposes but they act and think exactly the same as any genuine religious nuts

          • Closed group mentality. Always ends poorly. Remember
            M. Night Shyamalan’s The Village?
            XD

            • flyonthewall

              Right, right. He did something similar with that tv show Wayward Pines.

            • Jimmy3

              I see that. I see what you did.

            • 😉

            • Jimmy3

              I know what that means. It’s supposed to look like youre winking at me.

            • Don’t read too much into it XD

            • flyonthewall

              what? what’d she do? I missed it

            • Jimmy3

              I have no idea, it just sounded like it’d sound like a smart reply.

            • flyonthewall

              f5

            • I take all the credit I can get!

    • salin

      Added visual… the kids are at an angle, but in front of the LRon portrait – almost looks like the are practicing for auditions for the Commodores Messengers Org back in the day when they had to follow him around with ashtrays to catch his falling ashes.

    • Draco

      Not only do you have to use an ashtray, it specifies it must be a heavy glass ashtray. Can’t be some light, plastic or tin thing.

      • salin

        I was going to ask where one finds one of those these days. Then I stopped myself – let me guess some Scieno has a business peddling heavy glass ashtrays to other clams.

    • pluvo

      I probably get flack now but I have to defend the ashtray drill. The purpose is to drill intention not to scream at the ashtray, neither to get it moving.

  • flyonthewall

    Anatomy of the spirit of man or is it the spirit of clam? Eyy, eyy? Yeah, you know you chuckled.

  • DMSTCC

    Just getting into the 1st vid and all I can think is: The fucking GALL of Captain David Miscavige to pass these lying filled provable bullshit stats makes me sick

    Oh, and it seems that Narconon should be in a state of confusion. Miscavige doesn’t look good here.

  • jazzlover

    Some people, before they seek validation for their actions and words, should be completely honest about what their actions and words actually were, especially when nobody asked for such justification. Guilt is often the decider in how we act. I see said person receiving sympathy and validation under the guise of “respect” and “freedom of speech” just below. This person has no idea what those terms mean, and couldn’t read “humor” if it came up and slapped her in the face. This person, if not a troll, has certainly acted like one with me.

    • pluvo

      Why you don’t ‘talk’ directly with “that person” and clear it up when it was humor? Shouldn’t be that difficult 😉 – it would probably work better than further disputes.

      • Robert Eckert

        “Not feeding the troll” has its merits.

      • jazzlover

        I did speak directly with that person after she blindsided me by calling me a misogynist and woman-hater and a few other things. I don’t care what/who she is, nobody introduces themselves to a whole new group of people in that way. Joined yesterday, made 7 posts, all attacking me. It ended yesterday as far as I was concerned, until her 8th post (the one today) became an unsolicited, guilt-ridden way of seeking validation for what she had started yesterday. Given the 2 choices she had to start anew: (1) post fresh today in a more positive way OR (2) post today seeking validation for a way to insult me further after yesterday’s unsolicited attack, which do YOU believe is the more normal behavior? Regardless of whether or not what I posted was humor, to insert herself into a discussion I was having with another member in that way is just wrong. No two ways about it. I shouldn’t need to justify myself. Notice that I refuse to get down in the dirt and re-post what she posted yesterday. It’s easy enough to do, but to do it would mean that I am stooping down to her level, and that I need validation for my actions/words. I don’t. The person I was joking with knew I was joking, AND what I said could not even be construed to have been in bad taste.

        • pluvo

          Understood. ” I shouldn’t need to justify myself.” Yes, but if you handle it directly you take the wind out of her sails in case she is a troll and not just overly sensitive. I reread your comments and replies from yesterday and yes, I find the reaction to it exaggerated and in hindsight the complaints kind of trollish – she could have taken it up with you directly, too (sorry, don’t like the excessive derails).

          • jazzlover

            Simply put, I did not address her directly because it would have looked like I was seeking an apology. Besides that, the way the post was worded was utterly astounding. I could not believe what I was reading. I’m not the type to get all “butt-hurt”. I can handle myself, but I was kind of taken aback by the (as you say) trollish behavior. I was involved in a conversation with Robert, and she was simply fueling the fire by siding with him in what wasn’t a fight to begin with. The fact that she anointed herself the “purveyor of taste and moral right” was pretty insulting. To do so on a first post is another thing entirely. Imagine if I had done the same thing 5 months ago. I would have been booted outta here faster than most change their underwear. Fwiw, I try to keep derails to a minimum. In the late night hours, with Lurker leading the way, all bets are off 🙂

            • Sandy

              I spent waaaay too much time this afternoon looking for this conversation – and never did find it. My best advice is what I use when I see the “panty lady”. Collapse thread and don’t let yourself get irritated.

            • jazzlover

              Thanks for the advice, and believe me, you’re probably better off not finding the conversation.

            • SP Wogsy

              We love you at the Bunker, JL. Don’t sweat it.

            • jazzlover

              Thanks, Wogsy! That’s awfully sweet of you to say. You’re gonna make me well up with tears. *sniff*

            • Sandy

              I have been following Ortega’s Scientology posts since 2008 (altho I rarely post myself). There used to be more posters who would drive off trolls (I do not know who you had a problem with), but it seems as Tony’s blog has become more popular, it, of course, has attracted internet troll-types. I mean, really – 3 pages of panty discussion on Tony’s blog?

            • jazzlover

              I did not see that. Should I care enough to seek? 🙂

            • Sandy

              no

            • Sandy

              never

  • Has DM attested (publicly recorded and demonstrable) to Clear or any OT level? Just curious if there’s a measure of cognitive dissonance (beyond what’s normally assumed) that someone towards the bottom of the bridge is in a better position to lead the charge for those who have attained greater levels of knowledge and powers.

    It smacks of a group of cardinals selecting a novitiate to lead the Church after the passing of the pope.

    • Judith Sylvester

      That is a great question.

    • Robert Eckert

      Benedict IX was a teenager from the family which controlled the area and had installed many previous members as Pope. He wasn’t even a novice, and was ordained priest, consecrated as a bishop, and crowned as Pope all in one day. He had no interest in anything but partying. Rebels chased him out of the city and he abdicated, but then found an army that brought him back for political reasons. Finding the situation still tenuous, he sold the Papal throne to the highest bidder (a pious man who said he was just trying to keep it out of worse hands) and abdicated again. The Emperor did not accept the new Pope, and during the confusion Benedict seized power, this time only staying long enough to loot any treasures that weren’t nailed down and escape to the south. He is one of only three Popes to have abdicated, and the only one to abdicate more than once.

      • Sandy

        I love your brain, Robert.

      • Wow … were I inclined to believe in past lives … sounds like the little man keeps getting set-up to rinse and repeat.

    • It was reported by some Exes from Int that he is at least OT V, but it really matters not, imo.
      Hubbard was top OT and look how well it worked out for him.

      • At least he went on to conduct research the higher levels of OT in an exterior state, u encumbered by the troubles of a meat sack.

        What’s DM got to look forward to? A bloodless coup and expulsion as the pre-eminent SP? Being outed as Xenu 2.0?

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          DM will go on to research the higher levels of Federal Maximum Security in an impaled state, unencumbered by the troubles of a ball sack.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Off topic request to Tony.

    A blog article, take your time, about Scientology’s PI history, delving into Eugene Ingram’s days.

    I saw a great Peter Gunn US TV episode by chance, showing the cult leader’s hiring PIs (Peter in this case is the good guy but deviously being used by the cult leader) to hunt down a former member, with tragic results, but the cult leader gets US justice ala 1950s style with the cops showing up at the right time to intervene and dish out cops justice:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_6yDA2AR54

  • Sejanus

    Miscavige looks like a headwaiter at a nautical theme restaurant.

  • Veronica

    Are these people slowly working up to patting their heads while rubbing their tummies?

      • Annie

        Is she singing or chewing gum?

        • Kay

          She’s trying to prove that yes, you can chew gum and hit your head at the same time…I think.

          • Annie

            When will people realize that both activities:
            1. Smacking gum around obnoxiously
            2. Smacking yourself repeatedly on the top of you head
            Makes yourself look kinda doofy?

            Hypnotic breast-jiggling is a different category, I think.

      • flyonthewall

        what does jiggling boobs have to do with what Veronica said?

        • daisy

          Your such a silly ass.

          • flyonthewall

            everyone loves a clown

          • Yeppir

            May I be so bold as to insert myself as the grammar fairy? It’s you’re …. And I think you’re funny and huggable.

            • daisy

              Thank you . I have been called on my contractions a number of times, but I can not find the apostrophe ( do not tell me, I still will not find it ) I try to remember to state it as two word but I often forget. Please pour your self a drink and we can hug all night.

            • Yeppir

              Drinks are poured… Since about 10am… Hugs and no offense meant. It’s part of my job to proof. I’ll try to control myself.

            • daisy

              Drinks poured at 10 am. Yay, I like you already. No offense taken, just explaining the bad grammar.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Daisy’s super-new to computers and keyboards. So…it’s more a usability issue than a grammar thing.

        • Yeppir

          My boobs jiggle. I’d really like them to stop. …

          • flyonthewall

            dox plz

            • Yeppir

              I’m old. Every time I try to dox the boob jiggle, I step on them. It hurts …That’s just sad, right?

            • flyonthewall

              lol, well done

            • daisy

              Lol I have the same problem.

            • Yeppir

              Booze helps to forget about the formerly perky boobs. Sigh. Then I LOL. Growing older is…. interesting, isnt it?

    • ze moo

      But can they walk and chew gum at the same time?

  • Yeppir

    I have to say…. I’ve been at this a long time. I used to be such Pollyanna. “Yay! We can make a difference.” Blahbedeblablabla. I am ready to give up. I don’t want to but why does nothing ever change. Sorry. Sad day for me. Rock on with yo bad selves.

    • Kay

      Hey there Yeppir…don’t give up !!! Things do change, even though sometimes changes are on such a small scale that we don’t notice them. However, big things can grow from little changes.

      • Yeppir

        Thanks, Kay. Just feeling the weight of the world today.I appreciate you.

        • Kay

          Hey I understand…some days it’s just sort of hard to even get out of bed. Know that people here care about you. 🙂

    • Annie

      No! Don’t give up. If you’re talking about Scientology, things ARE changing. For realz. I know it’s hard…I’ve got much of my family lost in the fog…but I really really do see changes. Hang in there!!!

      • Yeppir

        Thank you Annie! Sad today i guess. Nothing we do seems to work or matter… But, as the wonderful Nat says… It’s all about the lulz. And … That is correct. BYB. Sniff….

        OK. I’M FINE. Carry on.

        • Annie

          Of course…anything to help…we all have sad days. And we’ve all got tough stuff to deal with. *hugs* And yeah, sometimes the frustration and discouragement can really get you down. But look how many people are here, pulling with you for the same goal. And I really think it’s gonna happen.

        • Sunny Sands

          Ryan Hamilton and his 25 or so lawsuits still have to be decided.

    • ^^^^^^^^
      It’s all about the lulz, Yeppir!

    • daisy

      We have to finish and help the good work, started by our hero Yeah it is discouraging sometimes. That is what is beautiful about the bunker. Cheer leading and information.

    • Draco

      Oh things are definitely changing. This event was held in 2006. I looked at the people on the South African OT committees and at LEAST half of them are no longer involved. A sizable chunk of them are declared, a few under the radar and the rest never bring in new people anyway or are totally ineffective. Busy work is pretty much all they do.

      • salin

        What a *great* post to read.

  • SP Wogsy

    Those temporary walls at Saint Hill would be better used as archery ranges.

    • daisy

      And the DM the target.

      • SP Wogsy

        His face or an OT sign drawn on a target? You just gave me an idea.

        • daisy

          Good girl I knew one of you would, You look beautiful today Wogsy. Are you drunk?

  • Veronica

    Does Dave say “Buttswana?” Anyway, you know what would actually make a Freewinds cruise interesting?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PGQy_rNX8o

    • Kay

      Yup bet his little sailor suit wouldn’t help him in these scenarios.

      • Kay

        This is a more appropriate outfit for Davey Boy. I think it will fit better.

    • Beth

      those are incredible videos.
      This vid came up as followup link – would make a perfect briny farewell for the Fleewinds. After all the passengers are rescued and slappy is in jail, of course. Everyone gone and just a giant photo on the wall remains… glug, glug, glug……. see ya you greedy Gilligan’s Island rubber faced wannabe MF …..
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjTuAV036yY

  • Panopea Abrupta

    The Sinking of the Thetanic

    Lord Hubris of Tilden, the Montana Munschausen, was unable to foresee the development
    of what is proving to be the hubristic heel’s Achilles heel – the Internet.
    $cientology has had over two decades to remedy that remarkable omission but has proved
    itself unequal to the task.
    DM’s attack dogs in the comment sections of “entheta” articles, elle, infinefettle, johninokinawa,
    louanne and countless others of that ilk, serve merely to reveal their galloping insanity.
    Their web sites attract primarily the already in and the drive-by curious, which explains why
    they have traffic ratings below sea-level.

    When they took to Twitter to counter “Going Clear” they became the laughing stock of comedians,
    fodder for one-liners at the water fountain and Barbra Streisand’s biggest rip-offs.

    The state of the Asbestos Albatross is even worse.
    Built in 1968 and decades older than her useful service life of 30 years, with her buckled bows
    and fading veneer of opulence, she has become a floating symbol of ineptitude.

    Maiden voyage?
    Mutton dressed as clam, more likely.
    The hidden horrors of blue asbestos adds the possibility of mesothelioma to the charges
    of slavery and wrongful imprisonment that have already been laid.

    DM’s pathetic internet exposure notwithstanding, the Freewinds is actually more
    of a problem.
    His barque is worse than his byte.

  • Kay

    OK…I could only make it through the first part of DM’s insufferable, idiotic, nonsensical and poorly disguised PR presentation. However, in addition to the asinine use of language and his authoritarian posturing there are some particularly inane statements, one of the most notable being the comment about using Applied Scholastics to help children in Taiwan and the US become educated so that they are “not destined for manual labor.” Really? Like Scientology even cares since they enslave children, consign them to manual labor and do not educate them? It’s DM as per usual….the ultimate liar.

    • Draco

      Yeah – my ears pricked up when he said that about the kids. Arsehole.

      • Kay

        Yup….I’d like to apply some scholastics to HIS butt…with a taser. I’m sure he never planned on having his speeches listened to by people not indoctrinated by him…..hahhahaha.

    • MaxSpaceman

      Dave’s tenure [shoop credit: d/k]

      • Kay

        Excellent !!!

      • Observer

        It was mine 🙂

  • Pierrot

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  • scottmercer

    So how’s that Scientology outreach in Harlem working out? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4I9RRrarIs

    • Sunny Sands

      I wish all of Farrakhan’s followers and his dianetics auditors could see this.

      • seriouslyWTF

        I’m not a big tweeter. I pretty much only look. But, someone needs to tweet this to chili beans, the so called rapper that was harassing Mark Headley.

        • Frodis73

          That is a great idea! I just remembered he blocked me though. Lol.

    • seriouslyWTF

      I just watched that.. I thought scientologusts were supposed to read all of his books. Why don’t they know about his racist remarks and 1.1 for LGBT?
      Was great to see him shut them down.

    • Bob Crouch

      Interesting video. Where is the Nation of Islam when a scientologist needs a little back up?
      I can’t help but observe a couple of interesting things though:
      1. As much as I dislike scientology, I have to give props to Byron. He remains cool and calm under a good deal of pressure and gives some pretty good and conciliatory responses. Clearly, he does not know much about Tubby’s racism though. But such is life in the bubble.
      2. Bro Polight is obviously living in a bubble of his own. I appreciate his background knowledge of El Con. At the same time, Polight is any bit as much of a racist as LRH ever was. He stereotypes the world as nothing but black and white. His view of history also has some serious flaws: Dianetics created only to stick it to black S Africans?
      LRH was undoubtedly a racist. But he was also an equal opportunity enslaver of humanity.

      • flyonthewall

        Byron’s good behavior also stood out to me. Do you think he’d be so polite and accommodating if it was an Anon with the camera and firing questions at him? I don’t think so. He’s been drilled to have nothing but good PR in this environment.

        • Bob Crouch

          He was also dreadfully outnumbered by some serious haters. Had to watch himself. Had no handlers and “security” with camcorders. But credit where credit is due: He handled himself well. Peddling this crap

          • flyonthewall

            Idk if you watched the entire video but things got ugly. I didn’t finish watching it before I commented. His partner, the woman, ended up calling the cops and that’s when things really escalated. That really pissed off Polight and the crowd. The scientologists are plainly seen as intruders and when they called the cops it not only cemented that image but also painted them as occupiers. Things got so hot the stand ended up being taken down and the crowd was ecstatic, total victory for them and a disaster for the cult. Their presence is apparently very irritating for the residents of Harelm, I never saw anything like it before. This is a great video.

            • Bob Crouch

              I did watch it almost to the end (something I can not say for the Moneywinds video) until the cops showed up and the scilons fled. When I realized that Polight’s self-congratulatory rant would continue for another 20 minutes or so, I finally gave up. Good times!

            • flyonthewall

              lol

    • Anonymous Confused Person

      Polight: not just South Africa… (I like the rap about Netjer, too.)

    • Frodis73

      This makes me sad for so many reasons. I’m glad he at least warned a bunch of people about scientology though…I guess I will have to hold on to that as a “win”. This guy acts like he’s so special ’cause scientology called the cops and fled the scene. That is what they do every single freaking time they are confronted, it has absolutely *nothing* to do with them being black.
      Scientology only cares about one color and that color is green. That is reality.

      • scottmercer

        I do agree with your points, but I’m just happy about the clams getting any pushback from any quarter. The more the better.

      • Kay

        ITA

      • Anonymous Confused Person

        “Scientology only cares about one color and that color is green.” This should be added, if it hasn’t already, to THINGS SAID ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY.

    • Meccaanon

      This made me laugh. They call the police on these dudes and tell them that they need a permit to be filming. The dudes respond “where is Scientology’s permit?” The cops send Scientology packing!

    • Libertylover

      I found an old article featuring Verlene Cheeseboro who is credited with bringing Scientology to Harlem and is listed as the Pastor of the Harlem Org, LOL
      It also says they will be open 24 hours a day!! That’s going to be a disaster if they actually try it and go 24hr.

  • Draco

    G’night all – work tomorrow…

    • Kay

      Tot seins !!!

    • daisy

      Nite sweety

  • SP Wogsy

    O/T: Apparently, Jenna and Bodhi’s handlers blocked me on twitter. I didn’t even get a chance to send entheta flames – super lame! f5

    • Rasha

      *bows deeply* Very impressive, indeed….

      • SP Wogsy

        I never got to send any tweets to them. No worries. I’ll just set up another account.

    • daisy

      Feels good when they single you out.

    • aegerprimo

      High five!
      …………….

      • Frodis73

        Awww! As a former owner of many pet rats, this is totally adorable and makes me smile.

  • seriouslyWTF

    Another clueless person on Twitter. Lurker or anyone else that tweets.
    https://twitter.com/chiller/status/640582055915597825

    • scottmercer

      Anyone else up for issuing a correction?

      • LongtimeLurker

        Doin’ it.

  • ze moo

    David Miscavage is every bit an ‘ecclesiastical’ leader just as Creflo Dollar is Preacher. And Joel Osteen.

    He is every bit a leader just as Donal Trump is.

    While one can bring a knife to gun fight, who is unarmed in a battle of wits? DLHDM or Sarah Palin?

    Mr. ‘Leader of Leaders’ is indeed the ‘halt helping the lame’.

  • Anonymous Confused Person

    That “quasi-naval regalia” really rustles my jimmies.

    • Kay

      Yes it is offensive

    • Jimmy3

      It really shucks my corn.

    • Observer

      Hubs taught the Navy a lesson for not recognizing his “genius”, by golly.

    • TexasBroad

      It would make much more sense if they dressed up like fake astronauts

      • scottmercer

        Simulated space suits are much more expensive than fake Naval uniforms, and much harder to find and/or make. EIther you go for realism and you have 100 pounds of equipment, backpacks and helmets on you, or, you go for fantasy and you look like Mork From Ork in a disco spandex jumpsuit. Fake navy outfits are much better PR, you look a lot less like a crazy person if you venture out in public, almost respectable and authoritative.

      • pluvo

        “In the Advanced Orgs in Edinburgh and Los Angeles, staff were ordered to wear all-white uniforms, with silver boots, to mimic the Galactic Patrol of seventy-five million years before:”
        http://www.xenu.net/archive/so/

  • Mockingbird

    OT fyi for anyone that deals with elle. Elle recently made several attempts to derail threads and “find my buttons”, to fluster me and get me to stop posting and sharing links to my blog. The methods chosen and topics ignored and addressed have convinced me elle is running off a playbook. The OSA playbook on internet trolling.

    Elle has taken the time to learn a lot about me and my blog. And to follow OSA protocol on posting online. I guess it is a kind of compliment to have someone devote time and effort to disrupting my efforts. Thanks elle, I must be saying something you want stopped or you wouldn’t put in all the work to shut me up. Maybe even David Miscavige hates my work.

    So, I feel I need to up my output now, thanks elle. 😀

    • salin

      Mockingbird 20+ : elle 0.

      Go, Mockingbird, Go!

      • Mockingbird

        Lol. I don’t know how to keep score in internet trolling.

        • salin

          I just took a cue from CoS and made up the stats! But from what you describe, suddenly your words and reach are of enough concern to be watched/studied. I count that as a big win. The biggest would be if ‘elle’ actually started to get curious based on what s/he is reading.

        • TexasBroad

          If they leave Scientology and call you friend, you win the Golden Tory award. I’m one of those hopelessly hopeful people …I’m rooting for Elle to shake it off.

        • scottmercer

          Scientology knows how, because it’s totally made up and arbitrary, just like everything in Scientology. 🙂

        • MissCandle

          Any time you’re not scrubbing the toilet with a toothbrush you are winning. Keep up the good work.

          • Mockingbird

            That’s a new one for me.

    • Lady Squash

      Yeah, you’re famous now. Cool.

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks, if having an OSA troll focus on you counts then half the Bunkeroos are famous.

    • Libertylover

      Her attention to you is all the validation you need, doesn’t matter what she says, despite her saying you’re irrelevant and boring. You are obviously having an effect. Besides the other posters see her horrible replies and misogyny.
      I know it’s hard to stay classy and easier to say. Your blog is great, keep up the good work!

      • Mockingbird

        I wasn’t aware she is misogynistic.

        • Libertylover

          Some have noted she is very harsh on women.adjective
          1.
          reflecting or exhibiting hatred, dislike, mistrust, or mistreatment of women.

          • Mockingbird

            Oh, okay.

  • Mockingbird

    Here is some information on how Hubbard treated minorities. Please share this with everyone.

    Hubbard invokes the “N-word”:

    You shouldn’t be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get yourself a nigger; that’s what they’re born for.

    –L. Ron Hubbard, in a letter to first wife, Polly Grubb

    Hubbard describes the spiritual state of blacks:

    Image is caricature of Negro wearing a hat, looking over a fence
    Actually, have you ever noticed how a Negro, in particular down south, where they’re pretty close to the soil, personifies MEST? The gatepost and the wagon and the whip and anything around there—a hat. They talk to them, you know. “What’sa mattuh wi’ you hat?” They imbue them with personality.

    –Ron Hubbard, Therapy section of Technique 80 (“Route to Infinity” tape )
    From
    http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/deny.htm

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Friggin’ dirtbag.

      • Mockingbird

        Right on the money.

      • Mockingbird

        Not much of a demigod. At least not one I like.

        • stanrogers

          Not even much of a hemidemisemigod, when you get right down to it. Doesn’t even register as a grace note god.

    • Annie

      Repugnant creature.

      • Mockingbird

        Definitely.

    • aegerprimo

      Don’t forget what he said about the Chinese….

      “They smell of all the baths they didn’t take. The trouble with China is, there are too many chinks here.”

      – L. Ron Hubbard’s diary, 1928. (Jon Atack, A PIECE OF BLUE SKY: SCIENTOLOGY, DIANETICS AND L. RON HUBBARD EXPOSED. Lyle Stuart/Carol Publishing Group 1990)

      • Mockingbird

        Yes !

  • salin

    What I took away from watching today’s Post’s videos

    Herded into the auditorium like cattle,
    to listen to hours of nonsensical prattle.
    Constant cues for required responses,
    lest nosy eyes became prone to tattle.

    Fabricated numbers and spurious statistics,
    Bombastically brayed to seem realistic.
    Claims of causes that don’t exist,
    Designed to repel any urge to resist.

    Delusions delivered, illusions maintained.
    Hyped up crowd – enthused but drained.
    Ripe for the regges awaiting their prey,
    All in all for Co$ a successful day.

    Post Script: 9 years later
    Dwindling crowds & the lack of “raw meat”
    May require Davie a vegan diet to eat.
    A new chapter has dawned causing quite a shock,
    Here’s to hoping Davie hears the growing Tick Tock.

    • daisy

      Another hit.

    • flyonthewall

      Yo! You lookin’ for a DJ? Lets lay down some phat tracks and make some phat stacks son

      • salin

        That sounds like fun!

        • flyonthewall

          uh-oh i wasn’t prepared for that response. I have to admit I’m not really a DJ and am really in over my head right now. I’m just going to quietly slink away and forget this ever happened

          • salin

            Lol. Don’t worry, I know nothing about laying down tracks, either. I took it as a positive reaction to my new found form of expression. 😀

            • flyonthewall

              oh it was, you’re very good. I was just thinking it would sound good in a rap

            • salin

              Thanks, I appreciate that. If we find an ‘anti-chilib’ maybe someday…. lol

  • In the part 2 still, where people holding certificates, two of them (that I know of) are out and are not coming back.

    • salin

      More *great* news to hear today, regarding dwindling numbers.

    • Supper Powers

      That is what I like to read! Thank you for sharing this.

    • I guess “not coming back” and “not going back” depends on where you are. 😛

      • What did I miss? My English is far from perfect. Let me know, so I can edit it.
        Here is the still I am referring to, btw. I know everyone pictured, personally. F5

    • Jimmy3

      I’m so sorry for your loss :/

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      Good to hear. That’s what I call a win.

  • ze moo

    All that head slapping reminded me of the masters of head slapping.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk6_7DTVN8Q

    • flyonthewall

      ahh, staying up late on Saturday to watch stooges was a childhood tradition. Good times

  • Bhob

    I have to use the word “unprecedented” more often.

    • What an unprecedented resolution XD

    • daisy

      Unfortunately except in a court of law or DM S stupid mouth, there are few things that are unprecedented, so not much need to use it.

    • Miss Tia

      It’s unprecedented that someone would be unprecedented enough to want to say unprecedented more often because unprecedentedly, unprecedented is an unprecedented word.

  • edge

    Wow. I can’t believe I sat through all three videos.

    • Miss Tia

      might i offer you a drink or perhaps a cookie? or both?

      • edge

        Both. Between the Shermanspeak, run-on sentences, and flat-out lies, I need a palate cleanser.

    • Jimmy3

      I know, right? I’m usually lying down while I’m vomiting in my sleep.

      • Good thing you don’t sleep on your back.

        • “The Simpsons: The War of the Simpsons (#2.20)” (1991)
          [Homer is passed out on the floor as everyone leaves Marge’s party]
          Julius Hibbert: If you want him to live through the night, I suggest you roll him onto his stomach.
          Marge: Thank you, Doctor.
          Julius Hibbert: Remember, I said “if.”

  • Kestrel

    This is probably somewhere down-thread, but early in the first part of the videos, Captain Miscavige references the Applied Scholastics International headquarters at Spanish Lake, Missouri. I seem to remember that the NOI took this facility over and renamed it Camp Kiswah.

  • scottmercer

    Meanwhile, back at Pac Base, more “wins” with the public at Big Blue. (“These guys are creepy…they wanted 200 bucks…they’re like yo, why don’t you go prostitute yourself for the money, we’ll get you some signs…”) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9T78bWOELM

    • scottmercer

      (The prostitution comment is obviously a snarky exaggeration, I don’t think anyone really said it, but, I wouldn’t put it past the Scibots, so I think these guys were on the right track with that comment…)

  • Kay

    Whew…I just got back from checking all the local synagogues for a suspicious “Jewish Businessman”. No one was there, cuz well it is Sunday not Saturday. Duh. (for those of you who don’t know what I’m talking about look at yesterday’s story regarding TMZ and DM…I just can’t seem to let this go because it is soooo stupid) I shall resume my search at a later time.

    • Kestrel

      Be sure to call the LAPD tipline when you find one.

      • Kay

        LOL

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

    Stopped in to give you all drunken kisses and hugs. 😀

    Hope everyone is having a good evening. xoxoxox

    • Kestrel

      Your drunken typing is impeccable.

      • Years of practice. I know.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Why thank you my friend. 🙂

        If you see “drunken typist wanted” somewhere let me know. LOL 😀

  • late night off-topic
    If you live with a cat, you live with a weirdo: your tales of feline oddity: Guardian readershttp://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/06/cat-stories-weirdos-feline-oddity?CMP=fb_gu

    also bonus gif http://i.imgur.com/DGArHe3.gif

    • Link needs a space between “readers” and http to work. Another awesome gif!

      • fixed

        • LOL! My fave:

          Jacob Tschetter, mixologist

          “Every night when I’m deep asleep, my kitten Gollum will come up and
          sit on my chest and, as per my partner, she will stare at me for at
          least 30 minutes. If I don’t wake up she will begin to burrow into my
          beard. If that doesn’t wake me she will begin to nibble on my nose. I’m
          fairly certain that she is trying to see if it’s okay to eat me.”

    • TexasBroad

      Pssst, Media_lush…that isn’t a cat. 🙂

  • Rasha

    Tiny Tim is looking good at the Celebrity Centre, except for the injured hand.

  • Annie

    Does anyone know: when Miscavige says that Scientology has put “The Way to Happiness” into the hands of 1% of the planet’s population (67 million), does that mean actually distributed that many booklets…each into the hands of an individual and distinct person, or they’ve printed and sent off that many booklets just kinda out into the world? (I’m aware all the numbers are grossly inflated, but even on a smaller scale I’m curious about distribution.)

    • scottmercer

      “The Way to Happiness” has definitely been distributed to at least 1% of the world’s garbage bins and landfills!

      • Annie

        So are you implying that those responsible for the actual physical distribution to the general public just turn around and toss them? Or just in general what we all know: they’re rubbish and most people take one look and (hopefully) recycle?

        • scottmercer

          I was implying that the people that receive them toss them away. Scibots would never destroy them, a KR would be in the offing. Or the E-Meter might give them away! *Snarf.*

          • Annie

            Ah yes, the dreaded e-meter. Nearly forgot about that. I asked because a cousin of mine used to kinda brag that she would up her stats by tossing Dianetics copies and claiming they had been sold. Or something like that.

    • I doubt they even printed that many. And I’ve seen tons of copies rotting away. So my answer is no.

    • salin

      I am so outside, that I admit I have no idea. But, my initial reaction to your question based on what I have read/heard/learned is that *maybe* it represents pamphlets based on the book that have been printed (and if no longer in the location of where they were printed extrapolated to mean = in the hands of 67 people. However, once I thought about that – I thought about the sheer volume of 67 million pamphlets (a am assuming a short cut over the book – intentional misleading statement also assumed), and the reported size of the Scientology population (way downwards of 100,000), and that number seems absurdly large. My guess for the organization that exponentially exaggerates what science has told us about the age of the earth – is that it is a total fabrication, based on air.

    • aegerprimo

      My guess, it is a fake made-up imaginary number.

      • Rasha

        Yeah… Y’know, sometimes I get the sneaking suspicion that that lil’ guy might be… well… fibbing….

    • If they collected money to print and distribute 10,000 booklets, it would be easier to only print and hand out 100 of them in a photo-op then keep all the money.

      CoS likes easy.

    • I’ve seen leaflets delivered to my local org piled up in boxes in the window – and distributed to people. The area is covered with the things afterwards. Out of the minority who take one, almost all discard it after glancing at it and seeing who it is from.

      I suspect that the Orgs have boxes and boxes of unwanted (but paid for) leaflets cluttering the place up, in the same way that Scientologists have boxes and boxes of unwanted books and other media in their garages.

  • Lady Squash

    Can’t stand hearing Hubbard’s voice or DMs. Run for the hills!!!

    • Miss Tia

      Am i the only one who thinks Iron Maiden when i read “run for the hills” ??

      • Of course not. They invented it.

      • WEBN fireworks just started, btw. I hope it will be over soon and the air clears up fast.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      The worst nasal twang versus the worst Philly toughie accent and both with nauseating attitude. Repulsive.

      Edit: I should make clear that I love East Coast toughies, but Dear Leader doesn’t come close.

  • Veronica

    How can someone so tiny be so terrifying?

    • Got to compensate somehow.

    • Annie

      They all are. Adolf Hitler. Napoleon. Charles Manson. I’m tired…but there are sooo many more. Probably some kind of defensive hostility.

      • phoebequeen

        I had forgotten how short Manson is. I am 5’2″ too!

    • Cedilla

      Terrified?
      Good grief.
      Tony’s blog is shedding light unto this cult nonsense.

  • Man, every time I start to watch those videos, I suddenly find something else that needs doing. It’s been a very productive day!

  • Jill

    Hello! I have been reading the Bunker for almost 2 months but have never posted. I enjoy checking in every day to see what is new. Since I am a “Never In” I do not have much to contribute but I am so taken with the stories and I am waiting for the whole organization to fold in on itself. Tonight, after listen to this speech all I have to say is Man that guy likes to hear himself talk and oh how he tries to impress with his vocabularly. I would be nodding off if it wasn’t for all the clapping going on.

    • Welcome, Jill.

    • Welcome from another never in who has decided this is too fascinating a community to not be part of.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      He is a bore, isn’t he?

    • phoebequeen

      Welcome . Don’t forget to wipe your feet and take off shoes. We like it nice here. Oh, got any money?

      • Cedilla

        “Oh, got any money?”

        Geez.
        Jill just got here.
        But, I do want my cut.

        • phoebequeen

          We have to get them fresh. Hehehe.

    • Rasha

      Very Hi! Such welcome! You can wait over here on the sofa. Guys! Skootch!

    • salin

      Welcome. There is so much of a treasure trove of contextual information here at the UB – and at the links given throughout the comment section. One of the things I have learned is that he doesn’t write his own speeches (folks refer to Shermanesque language = speech writer Mr. Sherman). Cynically I think he spends more time making sure he can pronounce the esoteric vocabulary, than he spends understanding it and making sure it makes sense (which often – it does not – and is often littered with made-up words).

    • Yeah, we Never-ins have nothing to offer XD

      • Rasha

        ..and yet we still partake in free, snarky CAEK!!!!!!

          • salin

            I briefly had this as my ringtone when I was a school admnistrator. Puzzled looks. Urban school – no one got it. Then I put the 80s Tears for Fears “Shout” as my ring tone – and oddly, it became an anthem. If the phone would go off when in a classroom, I would have at least half the class rocking out to Shout (and excuse to not be dealing with academics for 45 seconds – who could blame them.) Apparently ‘Never there’ is too esoteric (though I love it) – but ‘Shout’ still rocks the urban core. Who Knew?

            • Yikes, VP in the house XD

            • salin

              For just over a year – ex-VP 😀

            • scottmercer

              I could see that. I think Tears for Fears penetrated the Top 40, but Cake (the group) remained firmly stuck in the alt-rock camp. (TFF crossed over to a larger audience, Cake didn’t.)

          • Rasha

            Companion Cube!!! <3

        • (also, we baked the caek)
          F5

          • salin

            Yum! CAEK!

          • Miss Tia

            ‘we baked the caek’ made me think of the electric six song ‘i buy the drugs’…..when you keep going to song titles and lyrics (more than usual) it’s definitely time to go off to bed! 🙂

      • Miss Tia

        nothing to offer
        never have never will….but….
        we’re here anyway
        #haiku #SlightSarcasm 😉

      • We have exactly the same real world benefit to offer as LRH, DM, and auditing.

        We just have a more beneficial side effect.

    • Miss Tia

      Jill, bunker welcome!
      No need to have been a sci
      Everyone valued
      #haiku

      • LongtimeLurker

        Scientology…!
        Bunker’s not cooking forum?
        Lurker in wrong place.

    • LongtimeLurker

      Here’s the Bunker wombat waving hello…
      …ah…he seems to have just fallen asleep. Sorry about that.

      Well, welcome anyway.

      Refresh
      http://geniusbeauty.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/wombat-2.jpg

  • salin

    Great story. Am entering the stage of ‘everything is different, every day’ with an aging parent. Sometimes it is hard to negotiate. But we (parent and I) try to keep humor as an active ingredient of negotiating each day. This story of adjustments to, but continued joy through humor, is inspiring at this moment in my life.

    • BraveBloggers

      Best of luck to you. I truly believe humor extended Pop-pops life and gave him some strength and normalcy during the rough times of health, not even counting the positive aspects it brought to our family unit. Plus we have wonderful memories now that intertwine through a sad certain state with an inevitable ending. What wasn’t inevitable, at least known to us at the time, was how much those moments would mean to us all. Long live the mashed tater spoon!

      You and your parent will be in my thoughts. 🙂

      • salin

        Thank you – and I am going to hold onto the metaphor (to apply it to my family) of the mashed tater spoon :D.

  • On topic Enty blind item reveal… nothing earth shattering

    pic

    • Jimmy3

      When is the last time Enty shattered Earth?

  • salin

    Completely O/T… it’s been a heavy day – so here is an older, but delightful ‘cute animal’ video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_sfnQDr1-o

  • VMs allowed on front lines by armed forces? Why?

    Shock and awe? Shock enemy into going “Awwwwwwww” and assume the other side is capitulating?

    Or does Scientology Volunteer Minister Response Team somehow get translated into “cannon fodder”?

    • salin

      I would edit the first question: VMs allowed on front lines by armed forces? ETA – leave that first question to stand alone.

      Exceptionally dubious claim by $cientology.

      Requires demanding evidence before any other discussion. At that time, I was reading closely news about the war – never read a single reference about VMs.

      • Just taking the ecclesiastical leader at his word. Isn’t that one should do?

        <>

        • salin

          XD

  • Off topic: So I’m chilling on my roof patio, reading the Bunker. Next thing I know there is a praying mantis chilling on my left arm and staring at me friendly. I freak the fuck out, spilling my beer everywhere, telling him/her “I like you too, but holy shit, not that much!” It freaks out too and flies away. Damm, that was an awkward date.
    And how is your night?

    • Ex-Christian Scientist

      Drinking a beer & watching Nascar! Goooooooo Jeff Gordon! 😀

    • salin

      I spent part of the morning on the front patio – and had a cricket jump into my empty coffee cup. Shook the cup to get it out, and ten minutes later it was back in the empty cup. Similar response, “I like you, but I don’t want to bring you into the house where either you drown when I wash out the cup, or you escape, and drive us crazy with days of in house cricket sounds.”

      The nigh is drawing to an end, peacefully.

    • Having fun posting to Elle over at http://www.patheos.com/Topics/Future-of-Faith-in-America/New-Religions/Scientologys-Future-Linda-Wieland-08-26-2015

      Not sure if she/he knows what to make of me. Tells me to buzz off and then upvotes me. Having fun serving her own words to her from time to time.

      My French to English is sub-par but it’s part of the fun.

      • She/he sure likes attention.

        • Well Ben Franklin is giving him/her lots of it.

          • LongtimeLurker

            What?!?!
            That’s still going? Even for “elle” this is a long one.

            • Among other things Elle insists on reposting the Miscavige/Kopppel interview link and commenting on how many more people are seeing it.

            • Robert Eckert

              And she thinks that’s a win. How precious.

            • Right?

    • SP Wogsy

      Pictionary …yelling at tv

      • beauty for ashes

        I thought this said Slut!

    • Davka

      http://youtu.be/3VOwoWlyDpE

      And may I introduce to your playlist, Mr. Don Dixon

      • scottmercer

        oooo! Good one! Haven’t heard that one in decades! Played it a few times at the college radio station…

        • Davka

          Dixon is awesome. That is all. 🙂

    • beauty for ashes

      I know I know critical thinking and all, but that has to be a good omen. Anyway I enjoy the idea. 🙂

      • SP Wogsy

        ❤️

  • DEATH SPIRAL

    I watched the opening 4 minutes and thought I was watching a game show. I’d rather put my nuts in a vice than be subjected to this. One observation . . . Miscavige 2006 looks like a shiny, well groomed individual. Miscavige 2015 looks like a bag of dried-up looseleaf tobacco.

    • I worked for a Fortune 50 company where we had annual meetings where all the big-wigs would talk to an audience of 5-6k. The feel is the same. The only benefit to over-baked BS is that the stench is less than when freshly delivered.

      • DEATH SPIRAL

        So very true. However, the only difference is this pile of mumbling shit is held on a boat . . . and much like Scientology, there is NO ESCAPE!

  • Baby

    Real quick.. If you have ON DEMAND.. Steve Jobs the Man In the Machine.. from ALEX GIBNEY is on.. same day as theater..

    It’s $7.99 HD … $6.99 without HD.. Off to watch.. love baby

    • Libertylover

      I liked it a lot, totally different style than Going Clear, not much I didn’t already know except the stock fraud. Good questions Gibney asks about ourselves, made me think.

      • jazzlover

        If you haven’t seen it, Gibney’s “The Smartest Guys in the Room”, about the Enron debacle, is brilliant. I love the documentary film makers who aren’t afraid to take down the “hard stuff” head on. Michael Moore’s “Sicko” is extremely revealing (and important) as well.

        • Libertylover

          I agree, two great documentaries.

          • jazzlover

            The scene at the end of “Capitalism: A Love Story” where Moore wraps the yellow crime scene tape around the AIG Building in downtown Manhattan as he placed all of the company’s employees under citizen’s arrest using a bull horn had me laughing my ass off for weeks.

            • Libertylover

              Moore can be funny, I liked what he did to the Westboro Baptists and the then much younger leader Fred Phelps , with the bus etc. years before Louis.
              Also I remember him asking at Ford “if quality is Job One what is Job Two” I don’t know why but it made me laugh.

            • Frodis73

              Have either of you seen Moore’s ‘The Big One’? I really loved that movie. I couldn’t stop laughing (and crying). It doesn’t get mentioned as much, but I think it’s great.

            • Libertylover

              I haven’t seen it but I will definitely check it out. Sounds good thanks for the tip.

            • Frodis73

              It should still be avail on Netflix for instant streaming. If you like the other ones you will def like this one too. He’s so funny. I know he is hated by lots of people, but he asks a lot of important questions.

            • jazzlover

              It’s that sarcasm that I love. He asks the obvious and at the same time gives the viewer the “why the fuck isn’t this obvious to everyone” look that is a perfect tool for shaming powers that be into action, if only they’d pay attention.

            • jazzlover

              I haven’t either. Gotta leave some time for artsy films, you know 😉 I’ll make it a point to seek it out. As I’ve already said, I really enjoy Moore’s fearless way of bashing people over the head with the obvious. He knows that lots dislike him for it and he doesn’t care. Gotta love that.

            • jazzlover

              LOL. He’s got chops, that’s for sure. We need more people like that in high profile media. With regard to Ford, I believe he was ragging on it for making less than quality automobiles. True or not, it’s not an uncommon perception that American cars……ahem……suck.

            • Frodis73
            • jazzlover

              That’s hilarious! I’m not convinced he was lying 🙂

            • Libertylover

              Jazzlover- I watch a kilotonne of documentaries. One I watched recently, that was shocking and really well done, was “Whitey: United States of America v. James J. Bulger”
              It was quit provocative and left me with a lot of questions about the FBI. I would recommend. I think Johnny Depp is doing a movie starring as Whitey too, coming out soon.
              The documentary is on Netflix.
              http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3326366/

      • Baby

        I did not like the Ashton Kucher ” Jobs” film. He played it as a Caricature..The exaggerated walk.. but so far I really like Gibneys. He wasn’t a Saint by any stretch of the imagine.

        But he was brilliant. I’m watching the “1984” commercial.. I had forgotten about it.

        Jobs couldn’t have done it without Woz.( OK back to movie)

        • Libertylover

          No that was terrible, there was a better film a few years ago, Silicon Valley Pirates or something like that. Woz reveals that Atari president told him he paid Jobs 7 thou for doing the game Breakout. Jobs had told Woz he got 700 and gave 350 to Woz.
          Agreed though Woz was the brains but Jobs was the marketer, they needed each other.

          • Frodis73

            That was a great flick! What a greedy dick that Jobs did that…I guess I just don’t get it. I mean, I do “get it” but you know what I mean. Lol.

            • Baby

              and also doggie.. Not providing child support to his child with his GF and demanded a Paternity test. He was a greedy dick..you are right.

          • Baby

            Yep..and Woz was really really hurt by it.. Just finished..excellent doc.

            I also think that Woz grounded..or attempted to ground Jobs.. who was so driven.

  • What are they shouting at the end?

    • Tony Ortega

      “Hip, hip, hooray.” (What they always yell to the image of Hubbard at the end of events.)

      • Beat me to it.

      • TexasBroad

        Does anyone know the origin of this practice? When did it start? Did scientologists shout it after LRH spoke live, or did it begin after he dropped (dead) his body?

        • Kay

          I don’t know but I guess it’s just slightly better than singing “he’s a jolly good fellow” (cringe)

          • Annie

            That usually precedes, in my limited experience.

          • jazzlover

            LOL

        • stanrogers

          “Three cheers” has a long navy tradition; it hasn’t changed (except for the pronunciation of hurrah becoming hooray) in centuries. It was old in the Royal Navy before there was a United States Navy. There’s even a form of drill for it (involving the doffing and raising of headdress). It shouldn’t be surprising that Hubbard appropriated that as well for his phony navy.

          • Rice and beans are also part of Naval history. These were carried on sailing ships because they could be dried, and kept a long time. When you were down to nothing but rice and beans that meant you had eaten everything else and were getting desperate.

            It’s typical of Hubbard to transform an historical privation into a punishment.

        • MaxSpaceman

          It happened while he was in his meat body. There’s notice of it in since the 60s, iirc.

  • salin

    If you haven’t already, please click the heart (top of the comment page on the left).

    Goodnight (or good morning).

  • Libertylover

    I watched it all in short doses today. Everyone’s said everything already that I was thinking, except why do they not realize that the picture of Hubbard, next to David, looks like a picture of someone drugged up in a sailor hat. Was he already on the Vistaril or was he popping downers at this point? I say this because it contrasts so much with the many LRH pictures I have seen.

    • Careful. I got declared for these kind of questions.

      • jazzlover

        Did you ask them out loud? If not, it’s freakin’ “Minority Report” all over again 😉 Did Tom actually know the significance of his playing the lead in that film?

        • Is posting on ESMB anonymously and being spied on, outed and being a subject of instant enforced family disconnection is out loud? Probably not. They failed though. Out loud.

          • jazzlover

            Did not know. Sorry for that, but happy you overcame — OUT LOUD 🙂

            • With a little help from my friends. No prob.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m certainly glad that you’re here. Kudos to your wife. How full is Cincinnati? I’ll bet they’re smaller than ever.
              Edit for spelling.

            • Thank you, Mish. I don’t monitor the org, but reports I get confirm your guess.

            • The old Downtown Cincinnati org had to move to Florence, Ky. If you know anything about this town, the move was going from the heart of the city to small-town Kentucky. Florence is a nice place, but the most noticeable feature is the striped water tower. (Hardly cosmopolitan).

              The building itself has been abandoned, sign torn down and will soon be another more profitable establishment.

              A far piece from when this org used to litter downtown with copies of the Oxford Personality Test. I would find copies all over the sidewalk, in newspaper boxes, wherever, and there were these earnest young kids who would stand about Government square passing them out. It’s been years since I’ve seen either kids or the Oxford Test.

            • Hi! Sorry for all the littering.

            • Missionary Kid

              To clarify things, I take it that the abandoned building is the one in Cincinnati. Have you gone by the Florence, KY site? Are they littering Florence as well?

              I’ll bet they don’t have enough staff to put anyone outside in Florence to even do personality tests, if they’re still operating.

            • daisy

              So glad you are out !!

          • TexasBroad

            I’m sorry about the enforced family disconnection, Dodo. I’m sorry about all of it, but especially that.

            • DSA Cincinnati gave my wife about 4 hours to decide who’s side she is on.

              We are still together. I hope DSA will get a life soon too.

            • TexasBroad

              Wow. So glad she was there with you. I hear things like this and it makes my head spin. I can’t imagine the person presenting that choice to your wife, so secure in belief that it is the right thing to do (or so invested in their job they gave no thought to you, to her, or to your marriage). I hope they all get a life –so glad you got yours. 🙂

            • Or to our son. Thank you.

            • Enturbulated Masterbator

              I am very glad there was a happy ending to your story. I cannot imagine what that type possible of disconnection was like for you.

            • It was a mess. I felt trapped and was going insane and did things I am not proud of.
              That gave “the church” even more leverage. Lots of gray hair in a couple of years.
              We are good though.

            • SP Wogsy

              Glad you and your spouse are out. Fuck them!!

            • Annie

              I’m so sorry, it’s a tragic thing. I am so very very happy for you that your family has a chance to heal.

              I’m lucky to have my immediate family…my father, my late mother and my sister and I never officially joined, but the entire side of my mother’s family is in there. Very very rough on her. Hated to see the pain it caused.

              We escaped not only because both my parents were academics (he the Chairman of Physics and Astronomy at a large NYC university…so Scientology would NOT have played well, even if it had appealed to him) but also because my sister is severely retarded and back when the joining was happening when I was a little kid in the ’80’s, LRH was still alive and making his offensive feelings about “degraded beings” known.

              Such a disgusting, destructive entity.

          • LongtimeLurker

            Damn Dodo. Screw those придурки. And yay for Mrs Dodo for sticking with you.

        • Annie

          Tom? Realize irony? I don’t think he realizes much worth realizing.

          • jazzlover

            Yeah, I knew as soon as I typed it that I was asking too much. LOL

    • LongtimeLurker

      “L Ron Hubbard, some drugged-up guy in a sailor hat. Scientology – isn’t it time you paid a visit to your local Org?”

      • Libertylover

        LL, I don’t know if you got Dick Emery in OZ, but the picture reminds me of his character saying, “Hello Sailor.” It’s an old reference but you may remember, “you are awful, but I like you.”
        OT I also like you admire Milo Manara, I used to try and draw like him, love his stuff, him and many other Spanish and Italian comic book artists who I read even before they were translated. That was a difficult thing before Google.

  • beauty for ashes

    Yes, I really need new glasses and also to wear the ones I have.

  • For Veronica and everyone else. Thanks, Outraged.

    A Message From Voiceless to Scientologists Everywhere
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuTJ98_znVM

    • TexasBroad

      Beautiful! There IS love among strangers…you folks are the best people I’ve never met!

      • StudentOfLife

        The Bunker is a beautiful place where bonds are formed from finding insights from sharing our experience hope and joy, to quote Bill Wilson’s legacy group. We do it in a search for truth as well as to not tolerate that which we know is evil to the advancement of the human spirit. I’m visiting Atlanta (from Ojai CA) for next 8 days and have to hunt down some local Atlanta Bunkerites (I’m 15 minutes from the Hartsfield Airport) while i’m here for a tennis coaches convention I have to present for next weekend. From meeting Paulette and Tony as well as a few Bunkerites at the Hollywood premiere of Going Clear, or just sharing on this blog, when I ask myself am I spending too much time on the Bunker, I usually ask how much am I learning from here and growing in empathy, understanding of the subtlety of evil, and just enjoy all the snarkiness and great humor from this panoply of human spirits united to take down the force of darkness known as Scientology. ,I find myself always coming back because the Bunker is worthy, a most worthy cause.

    • jazzlover

      Kudos, Dodo. That may be the most important video ever posted on these pages.

    • ReallyMGM

      Dodo. I never realized you were an ex member until tonight. I am assuming you got out with your immediate family intact. (I am really hoping so.) I love your humor, wit, and kindness. You are “good people.” (One of my grandmothers favorite sayings)

      I love the jokes and fun of the group, but I never forget the reason this blog and comment board exists. I remember those who can’t be here having fun because of a tyranical despot, and I remember them in my prayers. Freedom is a precious commodity when you don’t have it.

      Listen to some beautiful music tonight and enjoy tomorrow if you have time off to play in the last days of summer.
      Hugs Bunkerbuddies!

      • LongtimeLurker

        That’s so weird (to me) ReallyMGM, someone said the same thing last week to Dodo about being an ex.

        I think when I first came The Bunker, the 2nd or 3rd comment I read of Dodo’s was a joke that made it obvious he was ex, so it seems really obvious to me.

        But obviously it’s not.

        Next you’ll be telling me you don’t know about his time as a cosmonaut on Mir.

        • daisy

          Are you serious?I I was not. It is totally on me…… In fact you may have noticed I did not have you in the joke at all………………………………………….. I thought your feelngs .might be hurt for no including you. Please write me back as soon as possible………. this really concerns me……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
          .

        • ReallyMGM

          Maybe in the early days of reading I noticed, but was overwhelmed with the numbers so just forgot. It happens, and I have learned to say I have forgottenwhen I don’t know/can’t remember. I do remember bits about the Cincy org, though, Whatever, it made no difference, I try to treat everyone with respect since I don’t know what has sent them here. I could make a chart, but noooo. I like this just fine. I am always interested in astronauts/cosmosnauts! And you LtL, another good peeps!

          • LongtimeLurker

            Hey, you know I didn’t mean to be insulting, yeah? I’d just woken up and thought it was interesting that it had happened a couple of times lately.

            I probably expressed it badly.

  • Ralph Hunter

    There’s the wake the dead claim again

    • Annie

      Read that as: Wake the dead clam.

      • TexasBroad

        Wake the dead clam.

        • jazzlover

          Bake the dead clam. Much tastier that way 😉

  • Eivol Ekdal

    OT:”Cabrillo National Monument is located at the southern tip of the Point Loma Peninsula in San Diego, California. It commemorates the landing of Juan Rodríguez Cabrillo at San Diego Bay on September 28, 1542.” Wikipedia
    (Pic)

  • dchoiceisalwaysrs

    Just a slight clarification regarding the purchase and Maiden Voyage of the Freewinds.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freewinds

    “An entity called the Flag Ship Trust (FST) was formed in December 1985 with the aid of a $5 million donation from the International Association of Scientologists. In September 1986, the Flag Ship Trust purchased Bohème, renamed her Freewinds and refitted her to enable its use for Scientology purposes. The vessel was put into service in June 1988. “

    • Tony Ortega

      Noted in the post.

  • Annie

    I was listening to Prokofiev’s Peter and the Wolf this evening, and started imagining how awesome it would be for some of these Sci characters to have their own theme music. LRH and Miscavige would have villainous, foreboding, dark tunes that warn of trouble. Tom’s would be flighty, like the bird. If this sounds too cray, well, I haven’t slept in several days.

    • jazzlover

      You ok? Let some of that music bring you softly to sleep. I know you’re feeling pain, but getting some rest is important. This way, we can discuss character assignments with a clear head tomorrow 🙂

      • Annie

        No luck so far. Wishing better for you!

        • jazzlover

          I eventually drifted off. I hope that by the time I’m seeing this that you had some luck as well.

          • Annie

            No yet. 🙁 The nature of the beast sometimes.

            • jazzlover

              I’m so sorry. I won’t recommend anything because nobody likes being “capped” 🙂

    • EmmaDaoust

      “Leitmotifs” – used in Wagnerian opera and in Star Wars. You’re not cray and I hope you get some sleep. I know only too well what that’s like – well, here I am, eh?

      • Annie

        Hi! Yeah, sleep continues to elude me. Insomnia is a bitch. Lots of people claim to “be an insomniac” (not talking about people here, just in general, all over) but they’re so cheery about it. Not being able to find sleep night after night is depressing and really really frustrating! Sorry, don’t mean to be too dark, just taking advantage of venting to someone who commiserated. 🙂

        • EmmaDaoust

          Oh not dark at all. Don’t you just want to cap some people who say “Oh, you should try – warm milk, or camomile tea, or exercise, or standing on your head, or … yada yada ”

          Vent away, my friend, vent away.

          • Annie

            Or…”as soon as you stop thinking about it, you’ll fall asleep”. Oh really?…no!

            Yeah…it’s the frustration factor in there makes me want to growl at well meaning but repetitive people.

          • Annie

            Sun’s coming up. Pretty!

            • MostEthicalPimp

              Only good thing about insomnia!

            • Annie

              I think you’re right. I was trying to think of some others, but nope, not so much.

          • jazzlover

            I didn’t recommend any specific way of falling asleep for that very reason. Getting capped, that is 🙂 There’s no one “cure all”, and I wasn’t about to suggest things like depressants, etc.

    • I once saw half-a-dozen of my local Scientologists pushing the handcart that they use for ‘stress tests’ from the org to a nearby shopping area.

      While I was watching, “The Imperial March” from “Star Wars” ran through my head. You are not alone.

      • Annie

        Thanks for the giggle! 🙂

  • ReallyMGM

    I’ve always been fascinated by the Maiden Voyage PR spin up to the event each year. They make it sound like the Return of Christ in the Carribbean with Disney World fun and fabulous food. It figures it revolves around a 3 hour Sherman-speech by the tiny narcissist and mafia-type shakedown for more money.

    I looked at those poor people and all I could think of was the state of their bladders after 3 hours with no relief. But I found the perfect gift for the men attending next year, or any LONG CoS event w/o a potty break. Perhaps additions for Sea Org care packages.

    I give you “The Stadium Pal.” I am not responsible for ruined keyboards, BYW.

    http://youtu.be/ejEcOMqBvpY

  • jazzlover

    You’re welcome. I try to be. Get some rest. You need to be good to yourself in times like these.

  • ReallyMGM

    Music is a great balm for bruises and abrasions on our heart and soul. When things are tough, turn on the music. Don’t forget to explore musical genres you never listened to before, you might find something perfect.

    • jazzlover

      Couldn’t have said it better!

  • EmmaDaoust

    F5
    Music to soothe the lil darlin
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcyQxzMzfNk

    • Cedilla

      Nice.

  • ReallyMGM

    I’m late and I forgot. THANKS to the brave soul for sharing the video. More and more is being seen…tick tick.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • It sounds like him and my granddad would have make a great double-act.

  • Bob Crouch

    The reports Davey is giving on scientology’s global influence sound truly alarming. Good thing he’s lying.
    It is pretty funny though to hear a high-school dropout pontificating about education and study tech while his master, another dropout, watches from his easel!
    What a pair of clowns!

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Monday, 07 September 2015.

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,

    Yesterday was not a good day, we drew a blank. 🙁

    RedX tips & Complaints procedure are now included in the google doc under the RedXTips tab.
    Flag the lies, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… Shione by Thienbao enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16723321526/in/set-72157642802079293

  • Bea

    Those poor, poor clams having to listen to that claptrap for hours on end! Where was Mike Rinder’s helicopter when they needed it most.

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Hey OSA, if you left the church you could spend your days enjoy fun videos like this!https://youtu.be/iecFG3ZoxtY

  • MostEthicalPimp

    Fun Survey:
    What Policy do you think is most fundamental to keeping Scientology existing? What Policy Letter is the lynch pin?
    I’ll give my answer in a bit.

  • MaxSpaceman

    06 September 2015. Daily Maul.

    LAPD investigating ‘assassination’ death threats against Scientology leader after he received series of threatening phone calls

    David Miscavige claims that someone has threatened to kill him after an unknown person repeatedly called the group’s LA office in July

    The person allegedly said ‘We are going to assassinate Mr. Miscavige’

    LAPD’s Major Crime Unit launched an investigation, but it’s unclear if anyone has been arrested

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3224755/LAPD-investigating-assassination-death-threats-against-Scientology-leader-received-series-threatening-phone-calls.html

  • Barb Miller

    I guess when your in the middle of the ocean with no where else to go with a phsyco midget.. you will believe anything

  • Robert Robinson

    Really? At cause over all dynamics? Miscavige isn’t even at cause over his second.

  • Robert Robinson

    Job Corps using LRH study tech and paid for by us?!

  • Lynn Fountain Campbell

    This would make a nice “before” video to illustrate before vs. after anonymous. Tick tock, Dave.

  • RGN

    Holy hell, that guy never shuts up, he goes on and on with this fluff. Amazing how they keep peeps from using Google and calling bullshit on all of this nonsense.

    I would be interested to hear how they are dealing with the Internet postGoingClear(). Marc Hedley’s interview with Jeff Augustine is pretty damn funny
    Marc Headley on Scientology, the Internet, and Technology and Int Base

  • beef

    Plywood walls….. that’s some impressive technology!