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Um, about that story claiming Will Smith got a ‘refund’ from his broke-ass shuttered school…

Jaden, Willow, Jada, and Will Smith, from a 2010 BBC appearance

Jaden, Willow, Jada, and Will Smith, from a 2010 BBC appearance

You may have run across a very confusing story about Scientology, Will and Jada Smith, and a “refund” that spun out across tabloid news websites yesterday.

Like lemmings, many sites simply repeated what started with a RadarOnline story claiming that tax records showed Will and Jada had received a $1.2 million refund from a “church-affiliated” school which shut down in 2013.

Well, we’re pretty sure that Radar’s story is just flat-out wrong, even though it was copied like gospel by dozens of other sites.

“Radar is so massively incorrect,” Jeffrey Augustine told us after we consulted with a reputable certified public accountant who examined the tax records for us. Like us, Augustine has a fascination with financial paperwork, especially when it involves Scientology, and he helped us dive into the records of the New Village Leadership Academy.

We know what you might be thinking. After the tabloid media has already gone off the deep end, isn’t trying to set the record straight pointless?

Well, we’re going to do it anyway because we’re masochists like that.

It was the Underground Bunker that actually broke the news, in 2013, that the New Village Leadership Academy was shutting down. We then published the only interview with the school’s first principal, Jacqueline Olivier, who told us she was working on a book about her experiences.

Between what Olivier told us, as well as one of the school’s directors, and through tax records, we pieced together what had happened. In 2007, the Smiths hired Olivier to help them turn what was a homeschooling operation into an actual bricks-and-mortar private school. For a year, Olivier helped the Smiths plan their operation, which opened in the fall of 2008. To get the school going and pay the first three years’ rent on a previously closed high school campus in Calabasas, the Smiths, through their “WJS Trust,” loaned the project $1.235 million.

That seed money would be combined with what the school could bring in through tuition and fundraising to, the Smiths hoped, make it self-sufficient after those initial three years. In the meantime, as Olivier explained, Will and Jada were adamant that L. Ron Hubbard’s “Study Technology” be used as the guiding principle at the school. When that resulted in protests when the school opened that fall, Olivier assured the public that NVLA was non-denominational and not a “Scientology school.”

But in our interview, she admitted she was playing down for reporters how much the Smiths wanted Hubbard’s ideas to be used in the school. And when Olivier chafed against that strict protocol, the Smiths fired her only a year after the school opened.

Olivier told us that the Scientology influence in the school was heavy: Teachers and parents were encouraged by the Smiths to take courses at a nearby Scientology org, and their children, Jaden and Willow, were doing actual Scientology courses on campus with special Scientology teachers. Olivier herself had to take courses at Scientology’s Hollywood Celebrity Centre. After she complained and was fired, a woman by the name of Piano Foster took over as principal, and remained its principal until the school closed on June 28, 2013.

By then, the Smiths had little involvement with the school, and their children were no longer attending classes there. After the initial three years that they had financed, the Smiths distanced themselves from the project, and the school struggled to raise enough money to keep going.

The school’s 2012 tax return showed that it was operating in the red, with expenses outpacing revenues by more than $20,000. By June 2013, it was clear the school couldn’t go on. The tax return for that year, 2013, describes how the school was shutting down and doing its best to leave no debts. It claimed credit, for example, for leaving the owner of the Calabasas school facility, the Las Virgenes Unified School District, with improvements at the campus and a new security system worth more than $700,000.

Since the school was opened in 2008, its tax records had carried the initial $1,235,000 loan from the Smiths’ WJS Trust as a liability, a “payable to current and former officers.” But Olivier tells us that it was clear, when she was getting the school going in 2008, that the Smiths never expected to see a dime of that money back.

“There’s no way,” she told us by telephone yesterday. “There was no expectation that the school would pay that back.”

And while the $1,235,000 liability is zeroed out in the 2013 tax return, there’s a nearly indecipherable note that goes with it: “The total of contribution was included $1,169,628 as forgiveness loan from The WJS Trust.”

RadarOnline interpreted that note to mean that New Village Leadership Academy, despite being broke and closing down, somehow came up with $1.2 million to pay the Smiths for the seed money that had gotten the school going some five years earlier.

We read it to mean the opposite — that the Smiths walked away with almost nothing from that contribution, which they now considered to be a “forgiveness loan.”

We called and emailed Jeff Gillman, the preparer of the tax document with Gelfand Rennert & Feldman, to ask him if he could clear up that confusing line from the form. His assistant confirmed that he’d read our email, but he didn’t get back to us.

With the help of Jeffrey Augustine, we asked a CPA to look over the documents with us. Jeff said the CPA spotted the problem with Radar’s analysis in about five minutes.

“The loan was not ‘refunded’,” the CPA told us. “$1,196,628 was forgiven as a contribution to the school so the school’s tax-exempt organization books could be zeroed-out and closed.”

Jeffrey added that the most the Smiths might have received toward their loan was about $65,000 that was left in cash at the end of the final school year.

Meanwhile, Radar not only claimed that the Smiths got a $1.2 million refund that never happened, but that the couple had obtained the money because they have left Scientology. And other sites copying the story have said that the “refund” came from Scientology itself! Wow.

Leaving aside the incorrect “refund” story, we have reported in the past that the Smiths distanced themselves from Scientology, and it resulted in a big story in the Daily Beast back in March.

We’ve pointed out numerous times that although Will Smith enforced “Study Tech” intensely at New Village Leadership Academy, a close lifelong friend assured us that he was just a “dabbler” who was fascinated by all religions but didn’t belong to any of them. Other sources told us that Jada was the one who was hooked on the e-meter and auditing. But recently, an excellent celebrity source assured us that the Smiths were out of Scientology altogether, which is what we told the Daily Beast.

Jacqueline Olivier begs to differ, however, and she says she has new information in her upcoming book that will change our mind about the Smiths and their involvement in the church.

We told her we’d like to dig into her book as soon as we get back to New York, and we look forward to seeing that new material. Hey, we have an open mind to new information — but we do check things out. It’s important!

Also, our thanks to Jeff Augustine for helping us check out a developing story from eight time zones away!

DOCUMENTS
2013 tax return for New Village Leadership Academy

 
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Chris Shelton takes down Scientology, part 2

If it’s Thursday, it must be Shelton…

 

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

The bromance between Grant Cardone and Bob Duggan continues…

 
CardoneDuggan

 
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BOOK NOTES
3D-Unbreakable

We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Tony Ortega’s upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
August 24: Boston, Boston Skeptics in the Pub, 7 pm (with Gregg Housh)

Sept 15: Barrett the Honors College, Arizona State University, ASU in Downtown Phoenix campus

Sept 23: Cleveland, Parma Heights Library, 7pm sponsored by Center for Inquiry – Northeast Ohio

Sept 24: Minneapolis

Sept 27: Portland

Sept 28: Seattle, Razzi’s Pizzeria, 7 pm, with Seattle Skeptics and Seattle Atheists

Sept 29: Vancouver, BC, Seven Dining Lounge, 7 pm

Oct 23: Sydney, Giant Dwarf Theatre (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 26: Melbourne

Oct 28: Adelaide (with Sen. Nick Xenophon)

Oct 30: Perth

Past dates: Santa Barbara (5/16), Hollywood (5/17), Orange County (5/17), San Diego (5/20), San Francisco (5/22), New York (6/11), Chicago (6/20), Toronto (6/22), Clearwater (6/28), Washington DC (7/12), Hartford (7/14), Denver (7/17), Dallas (7/20), Houston (7/22), San Antonio (7/24), Austin (7/25), Paris (7/29), London (8/4)

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on August 6, 2015 at 07:00

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SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

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The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill
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  • Tree

    Chris Shelton is a candle in the darkness of superstition!

  • B4you

    Ummm….. Com-Lag!

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Thursday, 06 August 2015

    Good day bunkerettes and bunkeroos,

    We started August with a bang, today we are back to a whisper, actually we were silent yesterday and the day before, 2 days without removals!

    RedX tips & Complaints procedure: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2533632

    Keep the children away from co$, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… La Equis , chipping away by Hamtaro, flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/14292777922/in/set-72157642802079293

  • 3feetback-of-COS

    It seems like the folks at Radar Online must have graduated from this Lyintology based school!

    They don’t know the difference between a refund and a forgiven loan.

    • Mockingbird

      A refund equals SP declare while a forgiven loan equals good standing . Quite different .

  • Mockingbird

    New batch of posts coming up at my blog . Some are quotes from my comments here but some are entirely original .

    Sociopaths Traits from The Sociopath Next Door
    http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/08/sociopaths-traits-from-sociopath-next.html
    Reclaiming Your Life from a Cluster B
    http://mbnest.blogspot.com/2015/08/reclaiming-your-life-from-cluster-b.html

    • aegerprimo

      I love your blog Mockingbird. ♥

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks so much , without encouragement this would become either pointless or an exercise in narcissism but you guys really are great at making me feel there is value in soldiering on . If enough of us speak out long enough I hope it can help people to avoid Scientology and recover if they were in and understand their family members who are in . I think we get plenty of little victories to cherish as they can hopefully help others be free .

        • daisy

          By the way, while I have great respect for life long learning and formal education having a PHD , masters ,GED diploma of any kind, they are not necessarily an indication of mastery on any subject. Your EQ is IMO much more important in negotiating life than IQ

          • Mockingbird

            Thanks.

        • B4you

          Thing is, to put words on thoughts and then communicate, breaking the taboos and stop using telepathy, as if.

    • SP Wogsy

      Love your blog too, MB! I can’t wait for your book. 🙂

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks , for now I keep studying and writing here and at my lil’ blog. I just finished Cults Inside Out and the first half of the delightful Man’s Search For Meaning . You guys really help me by asking questions and pointing out things i might not spell out but have defined in my mind .

        • Robert Hammond

          How did you find Cults Inside Out by Rick Ross compared to Combatting Cult Mind Control by Steve Hassan?

          • Mockingbird

            I read Freedom of Mind but not Combatting Cult Mind Control. I found Cults Inside Out to be the most comprehensive book on cults and to reference and describe over twenty books that together can form a wonderful foundation for exploring the topic.

            Freedom of Mind is a great first book for ex cult members as it explains many ideas in simple terms . I would have a recovering ex start with it and later if they show strong interest in diving deep into cultic studies I would definitely recommend Cults Inside Out.

    • daisy

      Me too. Really liked sociopathic traits. It truly does explain LRH,DM,TC. I am no scientologist ,therefor no expert on the mind, but wouldn’t it be nice to know what makes a sociopath. Nature vs. nurture etc

      • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

        I think it’s a combination of both.

        • Mockingbird

          I have no training on the genetic component ( and am quite open to it being a factor ) but see the models on influence as bearing some believable information . Meaning we influence each other and that may to some degree influence character . The models for narcissists and the golden child hypothesis seam to fit Hubbard to a T . Also work by Lifton , Singer , Hoffer , and Daniel Shaw all agree and fit my own personal impression of hubbard . Keep in mind I barely have a high school level education and have done a little light reading .

          • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

            Someone who becomes a sociopath will have the standard operating equipment in place for that kind of personality to unfurl into full bloom. They are wired for it, all that is needed is a hospitable environment for it to go *click*-on.

            • Mockingbird

              Scary , I think the best thing people can do is to get educated on sociopaths by folks like Hare and Martha Stout . The decades they spend studying sociopaths can benefit us .

              I wish kids learned about them in grammar school and critical thinking and logical fallacies and rhetoric and abusive relationships as well . They could catch lies and sociopaths and be safer for life. And become adults that are harder to fool .

              Who wouldn’t want a society of well informed critical thinkers ?

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              It’s hard to educate children on things that are difficult to comprehend for most adults. And there simply isn’t enough time in the day to cover all the things that should be learned from very early on in our academic years. If I hadn’t been such a voracious reader who went to the trouble all on my own to learn a great deal of things that were never mentioned in school, I’d have been bored a lot 😉 and wouldn’t be the fountain of random knowledge that I am today!

            • Mockingbird

              I find many short articles on fallacies and logic to be very easy BUT some politicians have specifically spoke out and said courses in critical thinking would encourage children to question their parents . And become adults who question authority .

              There is a strong case that certain people have intentionally wanted critical thinking and rhetoric taken off the curriculum .They had more of a place in the past .

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Because kids have been getting to smart for their own good, and it’s making a certain type of adults nervous – how can they keep them under control and prevent the kids from telling them to fuck off when it comes to the parental 200 year plans if they can’t stop the kids from asking “why?”-games of 278464 questions? By keeping their progeny restricted to only learning what they’ve approved, out of public schools that might teach them too much, imposing ridiculous standards that even Queen Victoria would find over the top in terms of modesty, purity, and gender roles, they’re not doing it for the benefit of their children, they’re doing it for themselves. They view their children as property, as reflections of their worth and never once do they consider their kids as independent beings that feel and think, who should one day become thinking and feeling adults with autonomy.

            • Frodis73

              Who wouldn’t want a society of well informed critical thinkers ?

              Anybody in a position with power over others…like politicians for one example!

            • Mockingbird

              Short sighted. Idiots will follow bad leaders into bad courses of action. No one wins in the long run .

            • Madison KinSmed

              In the U.S., teaching kids to think critically is a huge part of the Common Core stds. There are some big fails in the implementation (my kid had several math problems that included “explain how you got your answer” and the answer could only be “I did the math”). But, the implementation in language arts and science and reading has been goog.

          • daisy

            Just a quick note as its OT . Along time ago John Stossal on 20-20 did a report on the emphasis on self-esteem in child rearing. They did practical exercises showing that kids raised to believe everything they did was great (obviously I am paraphrasing) were more likely to let others hurt. They did an experiment where they were told to shock a person. It was striking that those with more self-esteem had little regard for the subject they thought they were abusing. Not sure I remember details of experiment, but it was startling enough to remember some 20 odd years later. I am often grateful the good Lord knew enough not to give me kids, They would be robbing banks before they were 3 yrs. old

            • Mockingbird

              I have seen other articles on research suggesting emphasize on praise rather than balance of worth and humility is believed to influence development . The hypothesis seems plausible but to guard against confirmation bias I feel extensive study needs to occur. I don’t want to leap to pretending my ideas are a slam dunk when the point is very important and so must be validated with strong evidence to be a foundation for beliefs and other concepts . I know I have an opinion but that it is no thoroughly validated – very important distinction .

            • daisy

              Absolutely, I did not mean to imply, I agreed with what the piece about self-esteem and child rearing. It is highly individualized child to parent, sibling etc. etc. Just very interesting .

            • Mockingbird

              Oh yes , just being willing to learn about that is a good sign in a parent .

            • B4you

              Very sane! That along with self-corrections

          • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

            There’s a young adult fiction book by the title of “Killing Mr. Griffin” – the character Mark is revealed at the end to have been diagnosed as a psychopath, when in reality he’d be more likely diagnosed as a sociopath – Soc’s are even worse than Psychs because they get other people to carry out whatever sick and criminal plans they have, part of what the Soc gets out of these activities is the thrill of being the puppet master, though they may also ‘get their hands dirty’, which is really all a psych does…get their hands dirty because they want to commit horrific crimes upon their chosen victims. The early indicators for both types are basically the same, though the soc will get away with things longer because they’ve adapted a personality quirk to make people see in them what they want to see, the psych is simply violent and lacks that quirk adaptation. Some say it’s because psychopaths aren’t as intelligent, but that is still debated.

            • daisy

              So interesting

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              You’d be surprised at how many people would rather not know these things! There are likely a lot of those types still in the co$, convinced that all of the revelations that can be found here and through all the linked resources provided on the bunker hub *have* to be false. They’re not willing to look because they’re not ready to look at truth in the cold and clear lighting of dawn.

            • Mockingbird

              These ideas affect all of us , even if we never encounter Scientology . We all encounter sociopaths .

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              We do, but we almost never know them until after some damage has been done.

            • Mockingbird

              Exactly, I have read dozens of accounts by people ruined utterly by sociopaths AFTER they survive years of abuse. Much of which could have been avoided .

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              They walk amongst us, they look like normal people, mostly act like normal people…I think that there’s still this perception of sociopaths and psychopaths being obvious to people around them, like they’re just walking around with dead animals and a hatchet as they go down the street dressed all in black and with an evil smile and beady eyes.

            • Mockingbird

              Exactly – my not understanding sociopaths was instrumental in my being recruited by Scientology. If I had an accurate picture of a malignant narcissist I would have read KSW and walked out the door . Hubbard exemplified sociopathic traits .

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              I don’t really know if I would have been a likely recruit for scientology – I never wanted to have any limits put on being able to look at information from a variety of sources, and if I felt I needed to work on my communication skills then I’d go out and practice with people, do some research on all the different philosophies, and conduct field surveys periodically to see what worked and what didn’t.

            • daisy

              You are very lucky to have a discerning brain. As a younger adult, if I made the mistake of wandering into that building, I would be in there spouting all that drivel today.

            • Mockingbird

              Scientology only gets about one percent or less of potential recruits to even do anything . It doesn’t work like Hubbard intended but unfortunately enslaves some quite well.

  • Science Doc

    OT- Junior Varsity Republican Primary – Stop harvesting organs from unborn babies. This gives them engrams or something.

    • Jgg2012

      I would like to see them ask about Scientology’s tax exemption, but that won’t happen.

  • O/T: Anyone participated in Nielsen TV research? They sent me two $ bills and a small survey. I did google it for about an hour, keep it in mind. Thanks.

    • Robert Hammond

      I did it many years ago. They sent me a couple of crisp $1 bills and asked about what shows I watched. No big deal. i thought they could figure that all out now by contracting with the NSA for all your internet data and viewing habits.

    • Snake Plissken

      I get those a couple times a year, they used to just pend five dollars with the survey now they send two dollars to see if you are interested and then another five when the survey arrives. My girlfriend likes filling those out, she says it makes her feel like her opinion matters.

      • Robert Hammond

        By taking the survey you also get to call yourself an “opinion leader” and get to put Media Analyst on your resume.

      • Thank you.

    • MrsLurksALot

      We were a Nielsen family for several years. It was fun. Ed. To add this was way back, in the ’80s.

    • phoebequeen

      I did that once. Got a little pencil, and 2$ for my time. Recorded for a week I think. No men in tin foil hats came knocking at the door after I sent it in if your are worried about that. Ooops. Hope I didn’t just now put that in your head.

      • Thank you.

      • ReallyMGM

        Done it several times. Was fun to keep up with when we had 2 tvs and no vcrs or cable. Then it was a PIA.

  • Kim O’Brien

    I have a favor to ask please . Can someone please email me the photo that Captain Howdy used for his avi ? Pretty sure it was LRH in a bear suit . My email is kimob2@comcast.net . I read down thread and got an idea for something for us here at the Bunker

  • ze moo

    “Well, we’re going to do it anyway because we’re masochists like that.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TytGOeiW0aE

  • Juicer77

    (F5) Whilst browsing through the lofty tomes at my favorite used bookstore today I wandered over to the science fiction section. A couple books by LRoon including Battlefield Earth. (Sweet Xenu even the paperback is 3 inches thick!)
    Then I made my way over to the religion section. Among the handful of $cientology books lo and behold I find this vintage 1982 Dianutty with mailer cards! Get this – mailer cards in FRONT AND BACK. Pushy, huh? Mint condition, obviously been on someone’s unread shelf since it was printed. Since none of this money was going to $ci I plunked down my $3.99 just for the lulz.
    After reading Counterfeit Dreams and since I have a PR background, I was fascinated by Jefferson Hawkins’ story and was thrilled to come across this little gem.
    On the back it says in all caps:
    THIS BOOK CAN CHANGE YOUR LIFE!
    PERHAPS YOU COULD BE HAPPIER!
    BUY THIS BOOK BY
    L. RON HUBBARD TODAY https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f3f6f9755835e895ce374be01e3b36bec016717737fa0ff933b313ccbe849863.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c54e5fac8ce6958f28d2c2c2382521f002843b58503ebf2091052470c144ec3b.jpg

    • MrsLurksALot

      That is very cool. You gonna mail in one of those postcards?

      • jazzlover

        She’d be getting letters from them into the 22nd century 🙂 “We will not be ignored. Answer us or risk intelligence”

        • Juicer77

          I would love to risk intelligence. Heaven knows I need some.

          • jazzlover

            Be careful watcha wish for 😉

          • beauty for ashes

            You are on fire today Juicy. I want to steal some of your lines. I should really start a Bunker quote box.

            • Juicer77

              That would be really handy when trolls show up. We could just whip out some random quote to confuse them!

        • MrsLurksALot

          Have you been getting our letters all these years? Ed.

          • jazzlover

            “Oh, those were YOUR letters?”

      • Juicer77

        Absolutely. I was recently hit REALLY HARD on the head with a hammer LOL!

        • MrsLurksALot

          Is it postage paid? Let’s send them TUML!

          • Juicer77

            LOL! They are BOTH postage prepaid if mailed in the United States. Imagine Miscavige shelling out his precious buck$ for that NOW?

            • Missionary Kid

              If you attach the card to a brick, they’ll have to pay the postage.

            • Juicer77

              I thought the post office would refuse it as too heavy?

            • Missionary Kid

              If you bring it in, I believe the P.O. will accept

            • MrsLurksALot

              It would be perfect! But, they don’t get a bookmark.

    • Sid

      Send the card with return address to the IRS.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Jeff Hawkins did that mailer card.

      • Juicer77

        Yep 🙂

  • beauty for ashes

    I’m feeling very verklempt after watching this. Don’t watch without tissues, or at work, but please watch. It’s so beautiful. Love that Magoo!!!!! <3 <3 <3
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp76WFMRJZU

    • Juicer77

      Someone (Observer or Mark?) did a great shoop with Denise Brennan looking down from above. It was a complex image but that’s the only part I remember. I didn’t save it. Did someone else?

      • Observer

        It was my New Year’s Eve shoop. Denise is in the upper left corner.

        F5

        • jazzlover

          New Year’s Eve is one of the best nights of the year to shoop 😉

        • beauty for ashes

          I thought about that too …. (((Hugs)))

        • SarahDB

          You are just so awesome with your cleverness!

        • Frodis73

          Obs, I just changed my wallpaper last week from this to something new. I just didn’t want to stop using it I loved it so much.

    • daisy

      Lovely

    • phoebequeen

      Aw.

    • Sandy

      Saw this the other day. Made me tear up for Tori

  • Robert Hammond

    Does David Miscavige remind anyone else of Warren Jeffs? What if Tom Cruise is like Willie Jessup?

    See: http://tonyortega.org/2015/08/06/um-about-that-story-claiming-will-smith-got-a-refund-from-his-broke-ass-shuttered-school/

  • Sherbet

    Watched Chris Shelton’s video. Excellent, of course. I’m left with my usual impression: lrh was a walking, talking joke. No surprise there, but reading his cockamamie scripture, in addition to hearing it, makes it more laughable than usual.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      which leads me to think, don’t scientologists read this themselves? if so, then “uh, they don’t comprehend it obviously as utter baloney, b.s, make it up as you go along, illogical nonsense, etcetera”..

  • Frank Lee

    A song dedicated to David Miscavige, Scientology and Narconon:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDAELXSDRrE

    • jazzlover

      Cool band name 🙂

      • Frank Lee

        Thanks belong to Jimmy Fallon! Go to youtube and look up their “Howling at Nothing”, also amazing! I am closing in on 60 and LOVE this! It is audacious, jazz meets southern revival, and outright FUN!

  • anoni81b4u

    I do not care what scientologist trolls say about the message section of this blog.
    Scientology is funny 🙂 and I love them for it 🙂

    • Juicer77

      Of course saw that video later and ordered every podium cut down to 1/2 size.

  • B4you

    One thing LRH was right about is; If you see it as it is, it will disappear!

    Thats how i clean my apartment.

    • daisy

      giggle

  • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

    Tom Cruise vs. The Internet

    https://youtu.be/IOS0ohcdsrA

    • Robert Hammond

      Thanks for reposting this PC. I love it! It really gives a clear overview of Scientology without having to give them your life savings and becoming a mind slave.

      • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

        I especially like the part at the end with Anonymous cleaning up all the corruption that plagued the one true belief for decades. 😛

        • Robert Hammond

          Yes. That’s hilarious. I could watch this one over multiple times and still keep cracking up.

          • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

            It really is hilarious. When I first saw it a few years back I probably peed myself laughing, I had to work on my kegels in the interim years because I like watching it but the peeing had to stop….wet seats are no ones friend!

            • Robert Hammond

              I’ll have to keep that in mind. ;^D

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Albinoblacksheep started strong with “Cows with guns”, got better with “The Agenda”, and blew up their competition with “Tom Cruise vs. the internet”!

            • Robert Hammond

              Checking it out now. Just watched The Agenda. Totally bizarre. I love it! Thanks for turning me on to these.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              Always nice to share the bizarro-hilarious with others! It’s like it’s everyone’s birthday no matter what day it is, eeeeeeerrrybody gets a gift!

            • Robert Hammond

              Kind of reminds me of Ren and Stempy but even more bizarro-hilarious, if that’s possible. Thanks for the lulz, PC.

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              My pleasure! I added a footnote via a reply to my own posting of the video, in case anyone is worried about the footsoldiers of the $ making a ruckus.

          • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

            I could watch it all day and still find it hilarious. I just wish there were more places I could post it for all to watch and marinate in its awesomeness!

    • daisy

      This is a scream

    • EnthralledObserver

      hahaha…

    • daisy

      What is lutz

      • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

        one of their animation subgroups

        • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

          The “their” being “Albinoblacksheep”

          • daisy

            thanks

            • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

              No problemo!

    • PantalonesCalienteYDelicioso

      This version is an updated one, not the original which had been removed from youtube because apparently somebody got mad about a majority of what the original contained. So, it was reworked (as you can see, the interwebs and anonymous decided FUCK THAT LETS POST IT, and so they did!) and in its present updated awesomeness it shall remain on the internet for perpetuity.

    • Matt in Atlanta

      Bestest evah!

  • flyonthewall 2.0

    Ouch! You should be more careful next time child COB

    • Madison KinSmed

      Fly, do you ever watch the Parkour fail videos on YouTube? A psych professor once told me that we laugh at stuff like this out of relief that it wasn’t us. Not sure I’m buying that but it sounds better than just admitting these things are just funny!

      I’d like to see DM do this on his next approach to his -o, gheez, brain fail – the thing he hides behind when he’s giving a presentation that makes other people look like they’re standing behind doll house furniture.

      eta removed a word that magically appeared at the very beginning of my comment

      • flyonthewall 2.0

        🙂 podium? Who doesn’t love a good parkour fail? Sounds like a plausible theory, can I buy into both of them?

  • Jenyfurrrrr

    Hope I’m not reposting (I checked pretty far down…) but evidently Lisa Marie Pressley is “helping TC escape?” These stories just get “better & better”…
    http://m.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2015/08/06/exscientology-insider-says-lisa-marie-

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Ha, not according to this week’s In Touch magazine cover…

      (refresh)

      • Juicer77

        Lawsuit in 3…2…1
        I thought there was a report recently that he may have seen her?

        • Jenyfurrrrr

          Yeah I saw that too, think he even made sure press got a pic of it. I’m liking the fact that some of these articles (or the comments THX to ppl here!) cite Tony or link the recent Salon article mentioning these as deflection ploys by his own PR people to avoid questions about being a SciBot!

        • Tracy Schmitz

          well he didn’t make out too well the last time he tried a lawsuit! he sues because HOW DARE ANYONE accuse him of anything, not that it’s not true, just how dare they!….

          • Juicer77

            Lol. He had to withdraw his suit last time because the story was factually true. This time maybe not so much?

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        Oy vey!

      • Snake Plissken

        It’s perfectly understandable … if you happen to belong to a batshit crazy cult.

        Suri is an SP and Tom is one of those extremely fragile ‘Big Beings’ whose eternity will be doomed if he comes in contact with an SP.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          It’s pretty sad when your kid sees you on the cover of mags more often than she sees you in real life. Not exactly “Father for the Year” material is he?

          • Snake Plissken

            I’m sure she understands that daddy is too busy saving the world by pretending to have super powers in his cult’s batshit crazy roleplaying game to spend time with her.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              If she doesn’t know the score now, she soon will. Poor kid.

            • Snake Plissken

              She is very, every, very lucky to have a mother who saved her from Scientology.

        • Tracy Schmitz

          even if that SP is a young girl of his own flesh and blood! koo-koo! koo-koo! and yet ANOTHER issue everyone anywhere and everywhere can’t or won’t ask him about!..

          • Snake Plissken

            I know that is what’s fucked up most of all, can’t ask about his daughter because that falls under the category of casualties of Scientology

      • Matt in Atlanta

        Suri is a really cutie. She Has Tommy Davis,s eye,s!

        • Suzanna Nielsen

          snicker

      • Tracy Schmitz

        another “issue’ the scientologists and those who defend them conveniently ignore.. here’s the thing and how i see it: 1) his faith DOES have a disconnection policy 2) he and his p.r. people claim that he HAS seen her when he can but all visits are in private? hmm, when he was married he had no problems parading her around, but now he ONLY wants to see her in private? what if daughter wants to go somewhere with dad? and more importantly, can anyone explain why there has never ever ever been 1 single photo of him arriving or leaving ANYWHERE where suri would be? NOT 1 photo by a single paparazzi? surely as one of the most famous people on the planet, he would be seen arriving or leaving a “only private now” visit, but yet zilch, nada, nothing!.. but yet he has no problem being seen with his older children? is it because they are young adults OR because they are to my knowledge still scientologist?

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          It’s only a story because he is never see with her. When he was married to Katie they were seen out often and the interest quickly dissipated. If he had been routinely seen with Suri since the split, it would have been the same situation. The rare photos are the ones that bring in the big money for paparazzi. I just find it unbelievable that with all his clout in the CO$ he would allow his only biological child to be a victim of disconnection. I’ve said it before and ‘ll say it again, I think he’s a POS.

          • Tracy Schmitz

            exactly! the paparazzi that got the photo of him with suri NOW out in public or heck even leaving or arriving to visit her with one of those now “only private visits’ would make a killing and they know it! and because he IS one of the most famous people on the planet i’m sure he is followed pretty much everyday anyway and yet? zilch! i call b.s. like you!

            we all know he’s a pathetic brainwashed loser in private life who allowed himself to be mind seduced by not only a cult, but another man, the leader of the cult,, but to be and have everything he has in and out of the cult and STILL allow ANYONE, ANYTHING to tell him what to do? (or having made him think what they want him to do is what he himself and only himself wants to do?!) is yes, p.o.s. material…

            you would think the LOGICAL plan of action after the last lawsuit didnt’ work of him being accused of abandoning his daughter and to where he ADMITTED UNDER OATH HE HAD NOT SEEN HER in over 100 days that you darn sure he would WANT to be seen with her everywhere and anywhere if only to prove a point even if he didn’t want to or think he should have to and show the public (you know the ones his career is dependent on!) that he was telling the truth, he didn’t abandon her and so on! and yet? instead he is seemingly doubling down and NOT seeing her for even longer thinking what “i won’t sue this time and perhaps everyone won’t know what is going on?” another allegation that eventually will go away?!

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              The questions seems to be: “Did he see her once this year?” “Did he see her once last year?” “Has he seen her once in the last 2 years?” Even if any of the answers are yes, he would still be a pathetic excuse for a father! Once a year visits? He has no reasonable excuse not to be seeing his daughter on a regular basis, just like any father who loves his child would be.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              but he’s working, working, working all the time non stop back to back making films, promoting them, traveling the world, pre-producing upcoming movies and so on.. because you know he needs the work and the money after all (sarcasm)… anyone famous or not who puts work before their child ESPECIALLY when they don’t need the money or the work is screwy….any reasonable person would conclude is beyond a narcissist and self absorbed…..

        • Frodis73

          I don’t buy that he’s seeing her either…I find it hard to believe there wouldn’t be ONE pic somewhere.

  • Frodis73

    OT: I did not realize that the debate was only on cable. I’m quite annoyed (actually, pissed off) about this.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      So sorry Frodis. It’s off to a wild, wild start. Never seen a debate like this one before.

      • Frodis73

        I am following some of the tweets…some seriously funny stuff on twitter.

        • lynn

          I thought Trumps hair would be the highlight of the debate, but Chris Christie’s hair is giving him some serious competition.

        • sundaygirl

          Best comment on the debate so far: “Who’s the marketing genius who thought it would be a good idea to buy time for ‘Straight Out of Compton’ during a Republican debate?” Ha! A genius, in deed.

    • Judith Sylvester

      The whole thing is on Youtube. Watching it now.

      • Frodis73

        Link??

      • Frodis73

        You’re killing me Judith…I cannot find it on YT for the life of me.

        • Enturbulated Masterbator

          It’s sponsored by Facebook. Maybe they have it streaming??

        • Judith Sylvester

          I’m sorry Frodis, I know how frustrating it. I’m a non-TV person myself. I just went to Youtube and put in “Republican Debate” and took the first one. See if this takes you there:
          https://youtube.com/watch?v=UPJpLfDIMhc

        • Judith Sylvester

          Trying again. I’ve goofed twice trying to post the link.

          after the youtubedotcom hatch, put
          watch?v=UPJpLfDIMhc

          Let me know if that takes you there.

          • Frodis73

            No. Thanks though. I tried a couple links before but they were all hold places for post debate stuff or not valid. Oh well. I know it was a train wreck, but I love following that crap. Lol-don’t know why it drives me crazy and makes me mad.

            • Judith Sylvester

              Yes. Me too. The only 2 who showed a trace of themselves through the overused rhetoric were Ben Carson and Carla Fiorini (sp?).

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      They even had commercial breaks during the debate!

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Ay Caramba!

    “The Shroud of Scientology is on a rectangular cloth, measuring 14 feet by 3 feet. It features a silverish image of a naked Tom Cruise, front and back view and another cloth features Bart Simpson in the same pose with the Scientology cross standing beside Tom Cruise.” http://wfla.com/2015/08/06/exhibit-featuring-cruise-scientology-symbol-to-go-on-display-in-st-pete/

    This has me wondering who is taller Bart or Tom?
    One of the Bunkerite needs to go to this and get pics for the lulz!

    • Jenyfurrrrr

      Tony mentioned this artist a few days back…
      http://tonyortega.org/2015/08/01/when-jesse-prince-sec-checked-david-miscavige-a-scientology-interrogation-for-the-ages/
      Sounds like he’s a little too “deep” for his own good (so-called-artist, not Tony!!!) lol

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Anyone who ridicules the joke of a “church” known as the CO$, is alright be me. 🙂

    • Tracy Schmitz

      makes me wonder who will have this as a shrine in their home miscavige or cruise?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        You just gotta believe that somewhere Miscavige has some kinda shrine set up that glorifies The Big Being Tom Cruise. HaHa!

    • funny…. not one outlet posted the Bart Simpson one… I’m guessing he’s saved that for the exhibition itself… can’t wait to see it [we’ve already seen Bart’s penis in the Simpson’s movie, ed]

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Here’s hoping he’s got some more CO$ “art” to unveil on Saturday. HeHe

  • outraged

    WAT – way off topic:
    Ten Angry Men of 2015

    • Frodis73

      I saw a tweet that called the worst cast of The Bachelor or something along those lines.

    • Everyone should watch House of Cards. It’s on Netflix and elsewhere.

    • Science Doc

      I’m watching on cannabis and it’s better than most movies I’ve seen in the last month.

    • Trump and Willow Smith together at last

      https://vine.co/v/eXZlznLYAXD

      • SP Wogsy

        …and i can never listen to this song in the same way again. : )

    • Juicer77

      I do have a soft spot in my heart for Ben Carson (2nd from R, bottom row). He’s a local hero in Maryland (he’s a renowned surgeon and did a lot for the community).

      • Tracy Schmitz

        you mean the ben carson who stated that most men when they leave prison are turned gay?
        you mean the ben carson during the baltimore riots when on tv and said how he would fix things and when asked “why aren’t you there now then” his reply to the reporter was “because i’m here with you right now!”.. yikes!…i’m just saying….

      • Eclipse-girl

        Didn’t Ben Carson come from Detroit?

        • Juicer77

          Dunno, he practiced medicine in Baltimore for many years.

          • Eclipse-girl

            I heard an article on NPR.

            This is not the exact article.
            but if verifies that BC brew up in the Detroit area.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Just because I haven’t being paying attention – and yet I can name 9 of the 10…

      Is that Lindsey Graham – bottom row, no 1 — counting left to right?

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        John Kasich, Gov of Ohio.

        • Eclipse-girl

          TY

  • Juicer77

    FINALLY! If you attended the NYC book event at Selena Rosa, please consider giving the restaurant some luv and a big Bunker “thank you” over at TripAdvisor: http://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g60763-d8408542-Reviews-Selena_Rosa-New_York_City_New_York.html
    It took them FOREVER to get this page set up. IF YOU TOOK PHOTOS please post them. I don’t have any pics of the outside or my plate of fajitas since I demolished them too quickly. Thanks 🙂

  • Frodis73

    I must RT that!

  • Jgg2012

    6. Spend a weekend with the Elfmans
    7. Hire Bod Duggan as a babysitter
    8. Follow Kirstie Alley’s diet
    9. Listen to an IAS speech
    10. Work as a receptionist at one of the empty orgs.

    • Matt in Atlanta

      Bob Duggan as a baby sitter. Lord. I would feel sorry for the baby. Bob’s hair dye job is giving John Travolta’s hair dye job a run for his money!

  • Matt in Atlanta

    Bwahhhhhhh.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
  • This is me right now.

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Has everyone been wondering what Kirstie has to say about the debate? I didn’t think so either but here yo go…
    https://twitter.com/kirstiealley/status/629469443110780929

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      I hate to admit it but for once she makes a good point. There’s really no other reason to watch this debate other than for the Trump zingers. A few minutes in and I’m done…I can’t stomach the thought of a Democratic debate either.

      • Suzanna Nielsen

        There is a debate?
        So glad I missed that trainwreck.

        • What the hell are you doing here this late? 🙂

          • Suzanna Nielsen

            I gotta show up sometime 😉

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I wonder if the only reason she watched at all was to have cover to take a shot at Megan. Megan had Mike Rinder on her show for several days when Going Clear came out. Unlike her sister-clam Greta…

  • Snake Plissken

    I noticed there are a lot of people with little or no commenting history who’ve come out of the woodwork to downplay Tom Cruise’s media blackout of Scientology and I don’t think they are Scientologists. They seem to be people whose livelihood either directly or indirectly rely on Cruise’s movies to doing well or just rent-a-trolls the movie studio’s marketing team has hired.

    • Ethan

      No way, man.

    • Tracy Schmitz

      exactly snake… i’m a youtube warrior and other websites and the number ( i won’t say it’s the majority though) of people posting who use the various so tired excuses or uneducated (on purpose?) defense of cruise is mindboggling if this is truly HOW they think!.. “every reliigon is a cult!”, i like his movies, he shouldn’t have to talk about his religion when he’s promoting his movies!” , he hasn’t hurt anyone himself, so everyone give him a break!”.. what about “insert particular actor” if they are catholic or jewish, should they be asked about what their religions do bad and be called out on it? and on and on and on!….
      it’s like these people either don’t know or don’t care what he’s involved in, how he has benefited from it that is so unethical and immoral and improper! oh yeah, i almost forgot the other excuse i read alot “well if everyone boycotted or protested against everyone’s work they like or art or whatever based on what kind of person they are or their views or what their associated with, there would be very very few artists we could like

      • Snake Plissken

        I know it’s like reading scripted talking points people were given in an email, it reminds me of the political posts that are a regurgitation of the morning chain email their political party send them, but they definitely don’t seem to be Scientologists, I doubt Scientologists are even aware that there is a Tom Cruise media blackout of Scientology

        • Tracy Schmitz

          i don’t know.. i chalk alot of it up to 1) people are not educated, just speaking out of their butt as movie and tom cruise fans 2) people who are celebrity worshippers in the age of celeb worship 3) people who hate ALL religions think their all cults and all bad and therefore why pick on scientology and NOT every other faith/religion/church?

          but the scary issue to me is EVEN WHEN YOU POINT OUT IN DETAIL that even without the abuse allegations and he that is cruise allegedly doesn’t know, care or turns a blind eye, the documented facts that he 1) has been so immorally and unethical butt kissed by his religion with everything we know of and how and fellow members being used as slave labor
          2) his unethical and improper issue of making his religious leader his best friend and vice versa (religious leaders do not and never should have best friends!)

          3) the issue with his daughter and NONE of this sinks in to these people? it’s like they actually DO think like scientologists with their whole “attack never defend, us versus them” mentality and/or the mentality that they won’t even address these issues or any issues, like they block out what you post in detail and you/I expect like a normal human being for them to speak of what you just posted, give a opposing views and defense of what you posted and so on.. it’s like their are the see no evil, hear no evil zombies? and these people might NOT be scientologists? that is scary and unbelievable!…nothing you say even sinks it, so how and why would they comment on it?

          • Snake Plissken

            When I click on the profiles of these people almost all of them have little to no posting history, they are only posting about this and a few other very specific issues that’s what leads me to believe this is an orchestrated effort and not random fans or random people posting their opinion about artist’s privacy or religion.

            • B4you

              So what your saying is, that there is a “Troll Farm” activated by $ and scripted somewhere?

            • Snake Plissken

              There are definitely consultants who pay trolls to spread disinformation , the documentary Astro Turf Wars exposed it. Google “Training Tea Party Activists In Guerilla Internet Tactics” to see a small glimpse of how they operate. It’s basically propaganda geared toward the internet through various forms of Social Media and Feedback.

            • Tracy Schmitz

              hmm, new posters to the various internet sites? those who have some invested monetary or otherwise connection to if not him, his movies? a new wave of culties ordered to start posting anew on the internet? it makes you think…

            • Snake Plissken

              I don’t think they’re Scientologists, they are told to stay away from articles that mention Scientology since they’re told the exact opposite of what is really going on. I doubt David Miscavige would risk allowing them to engage in a non-censored discussion, only certain OSA operatives are allowed to do that.

      • jazzlover

        It’s almost enough to make what is left of the sensible among us start another galaxy 😉

        “I don’t understand — he only dismembered him. It’s not like he killed him or anything”

        True story. Someone actually said to me: “Scientology isn’t as bad as the Nazis. It’s not like they killed millions of people”. Sigh.

        • J, are you a musician?

          • jazzlover

            I played drums in a “garage” band for several years, but no. Just a music fanatic 🙂 Honestly, with the way the industry operates today, I’m kinda glad I didn’t pursue it seriously. To succeed these days, you gotta be willing to do everything from soup to nuts to get the bean-counters outta your life.

            • SP Wogsy

              Really? I played the drums too : )

            • jazzlover

              Rhythm is where it’s at 😉 I need a good drummer in anything I listen to, or at least somebody (even if a drummer is absent) who can “imply” rhythm well.

            • Robert Hammond

              Speaking of drummers, what did you think about the movie Whiplash? Did you see it?

            • jazzlover

              I haven’t yet, although from hanging around some of the “jazz nimrods” on the net, it’s not getting anything near a stellar reaction. Besides that, I have to tune out after a while since many of those discussions have an underlying race element to them, and they almost always end up going “there”. I can only take so much 🙂

            • Drums = Heart of music.

            • SP Wogsy

              Mmmm…we can give credit to the bass too.

            • LOL Bass is not even a guitar. Unless Jaco Pastorius plays it. Kidding, sort of.

            • jazzlover

              The guy was pretty amazing.

            • SP Wogsy

              Yeah I know but a good bass rhythm can be the heart of a song e.g. funk music.

              edited.

            • Very true. Any music, really. It’s essential.

            • jazzlover

              Not in rock?

              Entwistle
              Squire
              JPJ
              Wetton
              Bruce

              Sweat not yet broken 🙂

            • SP Wogsy

              I don’t really listen rock music or jazz for that matter. I am more pop rock, rhythm and blues, soundtrack music (violin). : ) But don’t hate me just yet, I don’t play any more. I tried to play jazz…just. couldn’t. do it.

            • jazzlover

              Have you ever heard this story (you may not be able to relate, but you’ll get the gist, I hope)?

              In the late 60s, one of jazz’s great drumming legends (Philly Joe Jones) was living in Europe, trying to scrape together a living playing the occasional gig and giving drum lessons. Keith Moon shows up, and of course Philly Joe doesn’t know him from Adam. Jones asks Moon to tell him a little about himself: “I play in a rock band called The Who and make a lot of money. But I just want to become a better drummer”. Philly Joe listens and then pauses before saying “What the fuck do you need me for?” LOL

              Point of story: Even most rock drummers worship the jazz drummers and know that the jazz drummers can play rock but not the other way around.

            • SP Wogsy

              YES! So true. I couldn’t play unsyncopated beats to save my life. I don’t really listen to jazz music, so I don’t worship any drummers who plays jazz but the drummer from The Dave Mathews Band is just legend – to me anyways.

            • jazzlover

              Yes he’s great! In your spare time, go to You Tube and check out some of the jazz greats, if for nothing else than to gain an appreciation for what they can do.

              There are way to many to make an exhaustive list, but a few of my favorites are Tony Williams, Elvin Jones, Art Blakey, Joe Morello, Shelly Manne.

            • SP Wogsy

              Thank you. I will check them out. : )

            • jazzlover

              Write a 500 word essay on each and get back to me 😉

              You’re welcome. Enjoy 🙂

            • jazzlover

              Agreed, but then I’m biased 😉 A good drummer doesn’t always mean good music, but a bad drummer means bad music most of the time. Don’t get me wrong, though, everybody’s got their own definitions, so my statements aren’t really hard and fast rules.

            • So did my wife.

            • SP Wogsy

              Yeah? : ) That is cool. I played percussion/snare drum in highschool then played in a rhythm and blues band in my early twenties then retired at 22. : ) I got private lessons when I was 13 sooo…I wish I would have picked up the electric guitar or flute. I think I would have been better off. Did you play any instruments?

            • Very cool. My wife played drums in all girls punk band – Pink Elephants. lol
              Sounds like you had lots of practice! And it never late to learn other instruments.
              I play 6 strings.

            • jazzlover

              Yeah, but which 6? 😉

            • Not a bass. haha!

            • Frodis73

              That is so cool! It’s hard enough to find female musicians let alone a drummer. Again, very cool.

            • jazzlover

              Check out Mrs. Carlos Santana, here playing with Vernon Reid, Jack Bruce and John Medeski in a Tony Williams tribute band called Spectrum Road. A woman holding the drum chair paying tribute to TW! Talk about pressure:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1J98iR44x8

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTlxY9AnKUI

              You’re welcome 🙂

            • SP Wogsy

              That is awesome!! Ironic, it was the Hanson brothers that got me playing the drums.

            • jazzlover

              You mean the Mmmmmmmmmbop kids?

            • SP Wogsy

              That would be them. I went to two of their concerts : ) Yes, I know. I’m a nerd.

            • jazzlover

              That’ ok. You would not believe some of the stuff I like, aside from some of the stuff I’ve been forced to like by my kids 🙂 If ya can’t beat ’em……………

            • SP Wogsy

              Hahaha! Exactly.

            • Juicer77

              Awesome 🙂

            • You are a musician, just not a corporate kind. Cool.

            • jazzlover

              Only now, I play some mean air drums 🙂

              The life of a musician is definitely not as glamorous as many think. Man, a few years ago, I saw a jazz bassist on the NYC subway. He was a guy that plays lots of gigs and is a first call guy around town. The guy had to be making a pretty good living, and here he was lugging around a $30,000 double-bass (they big) on the subway. This is definitely not the kind of stuff that Britney or Lady Gaga could, or would tolerate 🙂

            • Was it Dave Lombardo?

            • jazzlover

              Scott Colley.

            • Double bass threw me off. Sorry.

            • jazzlover

              Bigger version of a cello:

        • Snake Plissken

          I can completely understand people not giving a shit about what Scientology does, the vast majority of people don’t, but going out of your way to downplay or defend Scientology when you clearly have no idea just how insidious this cult is, that I’ll never understand.

          • jazzlover

            I get that. I’m just trying to point out how most fall back on these easy types of arguments. As Tracy pointed out, everything turns into an argument about the least of all evils. Truthfully, we shouldn’t be settling for any evil.

            • Snake Plissken

              I understand that, most of these people are too lazy to do a quick google search to see just how evil Scientology really is, they just throw out random meaningless statements to downplay their criminality, this is what leads me to believe the downplaying of Tom Cruise’s media blackout of Scientology is a orchestrated effort by people that know very little about Scientology, but clearly have an agenda to do so.

            • daisy

              good point

            • jazzlover

              That is sad. Maybe we should let them feel like they’re saving the world. At least then, they’ll have a sense of purpose 😉

            • daisy

              I can forgive the scientologists, they are the victims. Free scientologists TC ,JT KA etc. are just shoveling shit they CHOOSE not to see. That is unforgivable, at least until they get out and speak out.. And just to stir up the shit a little more I feel the same way about Woody Allen, and Bill Cosby. Joseph Mengola was probably a decent Dr, once too

            • daisy

              Absolutely, why do people quantify evil. Evil is evil. Shouldn’t you be embarrassed to defend something you haven’t bothered to become educated about. A 10 minute stroll on the internet for the basics is really all that is required. I know I keep saying it over and over, but willful blindness is tacit approval

            • Snake Plissken

              I don’t want to pollute this thread with an embedded youtube link of a Hitler video, if you want to see it you can search Youtube for ‘Hitler in Colour’

              This is a direct response I received from something I posted that was critical of Hitler

              “ThePootisGamers Jun 24, 2015

              Stalin killed 50 million of his own people not Hitler”

              … As if Hitler should be cut some slack because he killed less people that Stalin.

            • daisy

              I can not believe that people still think this way.

            • jazzlover

              50 mil is quite the exaggeration 🙂

            • 0tessa

              No, I’m afraid it is not.

            • jazzlover

              I have no way of knowing for sure, but I’ve seen numbers quoted at around 7 million in the Ukrainian genocide. I’m sure it goes beyond just that, but is it an additional 43+ million beyond? Serious question. And fwiw, I am in no way “minimizing” the crimes Stalin committed.

            • 0tessa

              I will try to find the data for you, based on recent articles by French historians. Might take a few days. I’ll be back to you.

            • jazzlover

              Thank you! I’m not in any rush…….hopefully 😉 Take your time, I appreciate it. Just as an aside, when I originally found out about the Ukrainian genocide, I was completely surprised at how I could not have heard about it beforehand — not that I should be considered a history buff by any stretch. I do find it very peculiar that not many others (other than Ukrainians and historians, for the most part) have heard about it either.

            • 0tessa

              Jazzlover:

              here is one reference I found (the original French article I couldn’t find yet), but this one is in English.

              http://www.distributedrepublic.net/archives/2006/05/01/how-many-did-stalin-really-murder/

            • jazzlover

              Thanks! I have no reason to mistrust those figures, and I do find it interesting that the author asks the exact same question that is on my mind: why is this not more widely known? Skimming through the comments section, I spot a very distinct similarity to Scientology arguments made all over the web: such and such a thing was far more evil, or did this or that, etc. Sad.

            • jazzlover

              How’d you get so smart? 😉

              It’s like there’s some invisible bar for the type of bad we should be concerned about —

              Nazis? They’re bad. Scientology? Not as bad as Nazis, so they’re ok.

              What?

            • daisy

              Call me smart again and I will start listening to your Jazz posts.

            • jazzlover

              Ha ha. You won’t be smart UNTIL you start listening to my jazz posts. Touche 😉

            • daisy

              I hate you longtime bunkerites, , you always have the last funny word

            • jazzlover

              Who you callin’ “long time? I’ve only been here since like the minute after seeing “Going Clear” for the first time. Come on, catch up. Otherwise you’ll be French (???) toast 😉

            • daisy

              I just assumed from your launch and parry, came from experience here. You kinda made my point about last funny word though.

            • jazzlover

              Ha ha. My yuma has been fine-tuned starting from my childhood in NYC 🙂 I don’t really have the need to have the last word, and am perfectly willing to let you have it (oops, double entendre – so sorry). In other words, I was just “funnin ya” 😉

            • daisy

              The last FUNNY word,

            • jazzlover

              Nope. Couldn’t do it 🙂

            • daisy

              I hope waiting til today to tell you yet again how amusing you are counts as me not having to have the last word. I am rapidly aging so I can only do this for another 30 yrs or so.

            • jazzlover

              Of course, it does (and I’ll even throw you some bonus style points too). I have a tendency to go overboard with humor at times because I just gosh darn love it so much 🙂 Not to mention that it is a great “healer”.

              As an aside, as a mathematician I can add 20 plus 20 in my sleep. So how exactly are you rapidly aging? 😉 And does life stop at 7-0? I hadn’t heard that 🙂

          • Robert Hammond

            I think the only people with a vested interest in defending Scientology are Scientologists stuck in confirmation bias, mind control, and sunk cost fallacy. See: http://www.lifehack.org/articles/communication/how-the-sunk-cost-fallacy-makes-you-act-stupid.html

            • Snake Plissken

              I don’t think the majority of this downplaying of Cruise’s media blackout of Scientology is about Scientology, I think it’s protecting the financial interests of his movie from the toxic association of Scientology. The focus is clearly on trying to separate Cruise from Scientology in the media, not trying to legitimize Scientology

            • jazzlover

              And without making it appear that Scientology is bad in the process. Bottom line: these people are being paid by Scientology.

            • Snake Plissken

              I really don’t think the cult is paying for it, I think the movie studio realizes how toxic Scientology is and they are trying to protect their investment. If the cult was paying for it, David Miscavige would be micromanaging it and it would sound like a 12 year old with a huge chip on his shoulder was behind it, just like everything else the cult does. I think this was all part of the media plan to promote this film right from the beginning. Separate Cruise from Scientology

            • jazzlover

              You are probably right, but bear with me for a sec here. I recall Marty Rathbun mentioning in “Going Clear” that he and others got intimately involved with Travolta’s career and stepped in with studios, producers, etc. Is it possible that Viacom could be in cahoots with Miscarriage in something like this? It’s a win for both. Or am I being completely naive in thinking that Viacom would even dare to stoop that low?

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              My takeaway from Going Clear was that CO$ also was the go-between with PIs and attorneys to hush up scandals for Travolta. It’s one thing to leave the church and come out as gay but if the CO$ was doing possible illegal activities on your behalf to squash your secret gay life then that’s a whole other matter.

            • jazzlover

              You almost make it sound like Cruise has nothing worth squashing 😉

            • Snake Plissken

              It could be, but I’m not sure it’s worth it. getting in bed with Scientology could cost them a lot more than a poorly attended tom Cruise movie., especially if their email gets hacked like Sony’s did. If I was in charge of promoting Cruise’s film at Viacom, I would stay away from Scientology as far as possible, realistically getting in bed with Scientology is no different than getting in bed with any of the other organized crime mobs, in the end you always end up losing.

              I can see the cult trying to strong arm newspapers and magazines into not publishing anything that would be damaging to Tom Cruise but I just can’t see Viacom partnering up with them to do it, it’s just too big of a liability

            • richelieu jr

              Yes,and let’s not forget that excepting the brief idiocy of replacing his old manager (who NEVER allowed Scilon-related questions) with his Scilon Sis, these sort of questions were never allowed. This is a return top form, not an exception.

              And (as Snake rightly notes) in between hundreds of millions may have been lost to undeserving people (Doug Liman comes to mind)…

        • Robert Hammond

          No. Scientology is a holocaust of the mind. Turning children into soulless slaves.

          • jazzlover

            The thing is that the Holocaust is usually a conversation stopper where evil is concerned. Let’s face it, it ranks at the top of most people’s lists as far as evil perpetrated upon humanity goes. For a lot of people, that usually means that there are no other evils that can possibly come close. So, they don’t need to be discussed. It’s a very difficult point to argue against, even if that’s not the point you want to argue.

            • daisy

              This speaks to the troll at THR, every point he made basically came down, to the Catholics are worse cause they tolerated pedophiles.

            • Snake Plissken

              As if that supposed to have anything to do with an actor demanding certain topics are off limits to discuss during his promotion tour.

            • jazzlover

              Maybe, just for kicks, some media type could yell to Tom: “Hey Cruise, how do you feel about the molesting priests in your first religion?”.

            • jazzlover

              Yup, it’s like watching kids argue in a sand box. Endless circular reasoning gives me a headache 🙂

      • B4you

        Those people would say the same thing about Charles Manson

        • Robert Hammond

          Since Charles Manson was a Scientologist, anyone who criticizes him must be a bigot.

          • jazzlover

            That word does get thrown around an awful lot.

          • Snake Plissken

            Bitter defrocked apostates hating on Charlie

      • daisy

        I know I am taking a chance your female , but you go girl

    • Baby

      It’s a combination of both Snake. I don’t care what anyone says.. TC is absolutely PUKE to me.

    • Ben Franklin

      In all fairness, the man is OT, I am pretty sure he has body thetan groupies everywhere

  • OT: Baby cult leader. It seems so fake.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBQ0EfWs23I

    • Baby

      off to see..xox

    • flyonthewall 2.0

      bookmarked to watch later, thnx

    • Robert Hammond

      Just finished watching. That was disturbing. Sad. I won’t post any spoilers for anyone who wants to see it. But I’ll just say that cults come in all forms and people need to be open and honest with themselves and their loved ones. Honesty and open communication are key. That’s why disconnection policies and cult mind control are so dangerous.

      • Frodis73

        Settling in to watch now…thanks for the preview. Intro looks good.

  • Baby
    • just added it to my blog

      • Baby

        Oh good..thanks Lush.. I don’t even how I stumbled around..Just surfin the net.

    • Madison KinSmed

      Jaden’s tweets are what happens when your truths are lies. Sounds like Scientology to me. Hopefully, he’ll grow out of it.

      • Eclipse-girl

        he is going to need a swift upside to his head to help his maturation.

        I do not normally advocate that, but this case is unusual

      • Baby

        Absolutely Scientology.. Hopefully..I’m NOT holding my breath at this point.

    • SP Wogsy

      Bwahahaha! OMG. He sounds like Will when Will started drinking the koolaid.

      • Baby

        Just so cringe worthy.. I can’t believe I watched the whole thing..but the guys was so funny!

    • You need to stop making me laugh with these cat gifs, Lush. (Awesome) :):)

    • I had a Rhodesian Ridgeback who did that with the TV.

  • PRenaud

    I mean this is scary… Exhibit featuring Cruise, Scientology symbol to go on display in St. Pete
    http://wfla.com/2015/08/06/exhibit-featuring-cruise-scientology-symbol-to-go-on-display-in-st-pete/

    • funnily enough I posted this comment there just before you posted this

      pic

      • jazzlover

        “more shroud for your buck”. This could be the new SciFi tagline in their promo kit 😉

    • jazzlover

      What chops on them! The “Shroud of Scientology”. Pfft. Is Cruise supposed to be the Messiah???

  • Eclipse-girl

    My life has taken a busy , slight craze turn
    Luckily it does not involve loved ones.
    I can not read through the comments 🙁

    Please click on the heart at the top of the comments.

    Please flag these CL ads.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f28ec720db5b22ed2e384e0b3b4b4c7272fb4abc732973c2741020cf4ae6c26b.jpg

    • Positive vibes and and a hug, Luna.

      • Eclipse-girl

        I need them. I am on a slightly risky path which is unusual for me.

        In the long , I am trying to keep myself detached. Its is just weird odd unusual.

    • Juicer77

      Chin up, fellow tough cookie. The next few months are challenge-filled for me, too. Share when/if you feel like it.

      • Eclipse-girl

        can’t share IMO because it affects others
        I will when an election takes place.

    • SP Wogsy

      (((hugs)))

    • jazzlover

      I am keeping my fingers crossed that all turns out well for you. You strong, keep going 🙂

      • Eclipse-girl

        Thank you.

  • Pretty sure it’s a bunny rabbit.

    • Juicer77

      XD
      A wascally wabbit

  • beauty for ashes

    The Penitent Albino Squirrel. LOL I should write childrens books!

    • SP Wogsy

      Cute! He is actually a sleeping squirrel. : )

      edited.

      • jazzlover

        With a name like that he must be Native American 🙂

    • jazzlover

      Samantha you are?

  • Mockingbird

    OT I have the distinct impression some folks try to hide or minimize Hubbard’s prejudices.
    Okay, then I will give them a bit of attention.

    Well , Hubbard also had a comment against freud for having a “racial fixation” on sex.

    Begin quote
    Furthermore [Sigmund Freud] had a racial fixation on sex, a fixation sufficiently pronounced to cause it to infect contagiously all modern European stock.

    –the Liar Ron Hubbard, PAB No. 92, “A Critique of Psychoanalysis”, 10 July 1956

    When taken bit by bit spread through all his doctrine his prejudiced statements might not get caught. Especially since we usually don’t take in all his doctrine with a perfect memory and ability to coordinate every pattern of connection possible.

    BUT…
    http://www.solitarytrees.net/r.

    • SP Wogsy

      Btw, broken link.

      • Mockingbird

        Try it now

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    Is there really are market for 20 yr old photos of Karin “Provable Bullsh$t” Poux? HA!
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-Press-Photo-MS-Karin-Pouw-Church-of-Scientology-International-Public-Affai-/391188336814?hash=item5b14a450ae

    • jazzlover

      I wanna know how the seller decided that 17 bucks was just the right price for that.

      • Robert Eckert

        Yeah, shouldn’t it be $47?

        • jazzlover

          My guess is that he got suckered into paying $34, and decided to take the 50% loss when he realized what it was 🙂

          • Robert Eckert

            He thought it was Karen Carpenter?

      • Snake Plissken

        I wanna know if the seller had any idea who this person was when he pulled it out of the dumpster.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          They should add some of her more memorable quotes to the listing. No, on second thought probably not. 😉

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        Well, they’ve got Heber priced at $24. Maybe years in “The Hole” add to the value? IDK
        http://www.ebay.com/itm/1995-Press-Photo-Rev-C-Jentzsch-Pres-Church-Scientology-/371376963262?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5677cabebe

        Someone else who has a lot of CO$ crap on sale, has an autographed LRH photo for $1000. Hideous, an absolutely hideous looking thing. http://www.ebay.com/itm/L-Ron-Hubbard-signed-original-photo-FOUNDER-OF-SCIENTOLOGY-LRH-8-x-10-photo-/231576909378?hash=item35eb0f3642

        • jazzlover

          Is Ebay turning into Craig’s List? 😉

        • Frodis73

          1000k? I think this person is over estimating Ron’s importance in the scheme of things. I’d love to hear what a pro that estimates stuff like this for a living would have to say about autographed LRH crap.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            How much would you pay to have this thing staring back at you every day? Crawled right out of nightmare alley.
            (refresh)

            • Frodis73

              IKR? You know what does crack me up about this pic though? The pose. It’s like he’s posing for some teen rag like ‘Tiger Beat’ or ’16 Magazine’. lmao.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              But in almost every photo he is striking the most ridiculous poses! Its like someone whispered in his ear “In the coming years you will be regarded as a sick joke and people will laugh at the very sight of you, so make it easy for everyone and please pose accordingly!”

            • Frodis73

              Totally. *more giggles* He’s such a freak show.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              I know right! LOL
              And people live their lives based on what this freak said! How is that even possible????

            • Frodis73

              Some of the stuff Black Rob has snagged and posted from FB is horrifying. I’m waiting for somebody to ask if Ron left proper instructions on how to put ones pants on in the morning. It would not surprise me in the least.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Look at this: a member of the CO$ AND the Sovereign Citizens Movement, holy crap! With clam foreclosures do to being bled dry by the CO$ I suppose this could make some sort of perverse sense. Yikes!
              https://twitter.com/beach_fox/status/629535614900178944

            • Frodis73

              Ha! How funny! Earlier today somebody here was calling scientologists granola eating hippie types. Not in my experience…this is the type of groups they tend to run with it seems like. Ron has them all paranoid of the govt and everything is a conspiracy.
              I’d love to see the numbers on how many sci’s have lost their house due to going up that bridge. It’s very sad.
              eta-I have to RT this too.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Some sovereign citizen groups are classified as hate groups, same with NOI. Coincidence? I think the days of passive hippie types in the CO$ has come and gone. Other than the born-ins it seems to now appeal to: 1) Those who are damaged and desperate (or just too stupid) to do the homework on what kind of an scam this really is. 2) Ego-maniacs and know-it-alls who think they will now be in a position to prove how great they are to all of the losers who haven’t recognized their true awesomeness. A real motley crew.

            • Frodis73

              I agree and I would add a 3rd type that totally know it’s a scam and are making money off of other sci’s.

        • Robert Eckert
    • ComeToPresentTime

      Karin Pouw is (or at least was at one point) a real person? Color me shocked.

    • Robert Hammond

      What if David Miscavige and Karen Pouw are really like Norman Bates and his “mother?” (refresh) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYDxxHrlmUg

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        I could see that! “A boy’s best friend is his Mouthpiece” perhaps?
        But Norman Bates in Psycho was actually quite sweet. It was just that little “Norma” problem he couldn’t overcome. I doubt that DM has ever been sweet. Just ask his dad.

  • John, I know it ain’t jazz, but check this drummer’s skills.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAJ1WTGNISk

    • jazzlover

      I’ve heard of this guy! He is pretty amazing. Drumming is hard 😉 Anyone who can do that with all 4 limbs moving independently has serious skills.

      • Funny but legit youtube comment: “How does he not die?”
        Same goes for the guitar player, btw. 8 strings Ibanez.

  • Mockingbird

    Enjoy seeing how “mankind’s greatest friend” isn’t very friendly to most people.

    • jazzlover

      That’s one of the things that just flies by unchallenged. If I didn’t wanna laugh, I’d cry.

  • MaxSpaceman

    A Scientology Russian extravaganza! Upcoming 22 Aug 2015.

    Clamwater FL. Rindersblog, Thurs. Funnies

    • Snake Plissken

      It’s an IQ Test, if you paid for tickets to have the cult shake you down for donations … you failed.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        But I’ve been told that my IQ has soared since I joined the CO$!

        • Snake Plissken
          • Intergalactic Walrus

            OMG! Believe it or not they seriously tout the soaring IQ angle in 2015. I guess if your IQ is low enough to believe that line than they reckon you’re dumb enough to buy into the CO$ scam.

          • Robert Hammond

            Yep. That definitely proves the level of his mental abilities. :^D

    • i-Cringe

  • Robert Hammond

    America’s Book of Secrets, Season 3 has episode about Scientology. Includes Tony Ortega, Mark Ebner, Rick Ross, Jamie DeWolf, Marty Rathbun, Jenna Miscavige Hill, and Rick Ross.

    Streaming on Netflix. May also be available at this link: (refresh) http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1u3cm3_america-s-book-of-secrets-s03e01-scientology_news

    • Baby

      OH Yay.. thanks Robert..that is the 2nd time in a row you gave me something to watch..

      To be watched your largest view..xo love baby

  • Hi, lurkers. Click the heart to let us know you are alive.

    • Eta: Thank You.

    • TexasBroad

      I already clicked the heart this morning and then left for the day so I upvoted you in case you were really worried.

  • Tory Christman

    Anyone seen John Peeler? (He’s the guy singing w/ the hat on here). JP: A friend is trying to find you. Please contact me, if you see this. Here’s some fun for you all : https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=168&v=CJPhj2Gcais

    • Baby

      OH how fun.. I wish I were with you Wog SPs.. You know John was here for awhile Tory.. because he said he would like to connect and he gave his real name.

      Then I said..John why don’t you put it on your avi..and he did.. I know he went to ( I want to say Tony’s presentation..) I’m having a brain fart but he went with someone that posts. I just haven’t seen him in a while.

      Is it an emergency? because maybe the person that went with him would know.. and then I could have her contact you..

      • Ella Raitch

        Was that who Vaquera went with to Going Clear in Austin?

      • Tory Christman

        Thanks, Baby! He’s in touch…all good now. 🙂

        • Baby

          OH Yay… thanks Tory.. I had heard the message got to him.

    • Baby

      Tory.. Let me see what I can do..

      • Intergalactic Walrus
        • Frodis73

          That’s him. Wow…I knew it had been awhile since he’d been around but I did not realize it had been that long. I hope everything is okay.

          • Intergalactic Walrus

            We were discussing earlier what a freak LRH was and I just saw this video that Peeler had posted. These insane rantings make the last recordings of Rev. Jim Jones sound sane by comparison!
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9reLONOJ7U#t=27

            • anoni81b4u

              wow.. crazy. thank you for posting

            • 9001

              I’ve made an assessment: Hubblard should have seen a psychiatrist. Thanks for posting.

        • Baby

          Yep Wally it is… good detective work..

    • John Peeler a.k.a. BTs2Free

      Hey Tory, you got mail. I’m okay guys. Just been really busy lately and trying to catch up with a lot of things. Hope everyone is doing well.

      • Tory Christman

        Thanks, lad! I’ll contact you tomorrow. 🙂 Hope ya love the old video of we all singing the old LRH songs! 🙂

  • Intergalactic Walrus

    I ain’t afraid of no thetans…
    Friday night movies at CCINT (refresh)
    https://instagram.com/p/5-_WTtuC2x/

    • anoni81b4u

      Thanks for the great pic 🙂

  • Frodis73

    Reminder to please vote in the Remodelista for Hudson Woods/Lang Architecture. We are like down by 200 votes. Bunker Super Powers are failing our fellow Bunkerite!

    http://www.remodelista.com/the-2015-remodelista-considered-design-awards

    • Sarah James

      I’ve tried on more than one day, but it tells me it is closed. Anyone else seeing this?

      • Frodis73

        Can you get a screen shot of it? If I go back right now it still has all the entries and their pics but the vote button is now red and says voted vs vote. I have not seen anything about it being closed. I do know they have old pages up from 2014…make sure you are in the right year maybe? That is all I can think of. Hopefully stillgrace will see this and maybe she can help.

        • MrsLurksALot

          I just followed your link and was able to vote.

        • Sarah James

          I am still at the novice level, but I will try.
          The picture comes up and says vote here. Then the statement below says it is closed.

          • Frodis73

            Yay! I just saw your message and was going to try and figure it out.

          • Frodis73

            Oh yeah, you can vote once per day per device.

            • Sarah James

              Wish I had said something days ago, to see if others had the same message. Glad it worked for me today.:-)

      • madame duran

        Try using multiple DEVICES to vote. One vote per Wi-Fi enabled device, not multiple votes from the same one. One vote (from each device) allowed per day. Save the web page and create an audio reminder tovote every day until Aug. 15th

  • TheMirrorThetan

    Well I for one am shocked, just shocked, that radaronline got the whole story arse about.
    I thought they were a legitimate news source, like TMZ, Freedom Magazine and the Daily mail.

    • Frodis73

      Lol. I can see the shock in your avi. Very unexpected huh? 🙂

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Friday, 07 August 2015

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,

    I am still having problems with google doc.

    RedX tips & Complaints procedure: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-120#post-2533632

    Keep the vulnerable and depressed away from co$, whack a few bait & switch ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… Take ‘em down by Baby flickred by AegerPrimo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/132611082@N08/17172459673/in/album-72157652596135800/

  • anoni81b4u

    ‘morning Ya’ll

    • Newiga

      Morning, anoni81b4u! 🙂 *hands a fresh cup of coffee*

      • FromPolandWithLove

        No coffe , no workee ;p

        • Newiga

          Cześć, jak się masz? (That’s all the Polish I know! :P)

          • FromPolandWithLove

            I’m very well , thank You :):):)

            • Newiga

              Good to hear! Polish people have a special place in my heart because I have so many Polish friends. I adore them all! I hope to visit you country some time in the near future.

  • madame duran

    Re-posting an earlier comment I made in response to someone:

    The last time I saw Elena was in a photo that was taken of her and Grant at the Super Power Building. Everyone was flashing a smile but I remember the look of her watering eyes–it was a cross between terror and mania. Other Bunkeroos openly wondered if she cracked mentally. There was something “not right” about that picture (I mean aside from her jackass husband being in it). Haven’t seen her since…which makes the Duggar-Cardone buddy shots and her absence all the more suspect. She’s usually right there along her hubby at events. Their daughter is with daddy on the Freewinds but no mommy? Hmmm.

    Seriously…WHERE IS ELENA CARDONE??? UNDER “BABYWATCH”???

    • FromPolandWithLove

      I remember her pictures from event in Italian org ( Milan maybe), but I don’t remember chronology. Were visit to Italy before or after Super Power photo ?

      • madame duran

        Ah…the picture of Grant Cardone under the famous “David” sculpture by Michelangelo? It was taken at a special Co$ event just for its wealthy members within the past year, I believe. Don’t recall which photo came first chronologically but I think the was Super Power photo was posted first on the Bunker, then the one from Italy. I still wonder why Elena isn’t around her husband but her husband is sniffing Bob Duggan’s butt at every opportunity in front of a camera.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
      • madame duran

        She actually looks quite beautiful here. No joke. Bob Duggan looks like Mr. Potato Head (removable teeth, helmet hair, shiny skin surface).

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Bahahaha!!!

          She actually really is a beautiful woman. It’s what I know about her and her husband that makes me see the ugly. I hope she wakes the fuck up and gets her kids out one day.

  • flyonthewall 2.0

    Too late, all the TMI is already in the email alert, haha. You have fails like this everyday? Wow, maybe you should stay home. How are you still alive?

    • Madison KinSmed

      Damn Disqus. Kinda like an accidental “reply all”. I should have used past tense. Now I do stay home & rely on the walls to keep my straight up and vertical.

  • Always Amazed

    I am looking forward to read oliviers book also.

    Catty side note : Duggan looks more like the Duggan cartoon that Tony posted than a real human being. The hair dye, fake tan, fake teeth are bizarre.

  • Missionary Kid

    😀 (Not laughing at the holes in your brain, but that you had the same reaction I did when I first watched it.

    • Madison KinSmed

      Laugh away – I do. It’s the best medicine, right?

      • Missionary Kid

        Sometimes it’s the only thing one can do to retain sanity

  • AutmnWinds

    Just took a gander at the Grant Cardone photo. Anyone know how to photo op a vein on to that cigar?

  • Alex De Valera

    What a treat to watch your videos and listen to you Chris. It’s really nourishing for the mind; Thank you for your excellent analysis of KSW. Hubbard was a master! specially at misdirecting attention at every step and shut your mind the whole system of indoctrination is quite consistent with his hidden agenda and it leads into slavery and brain pudding.

  • Intergalactic Walrus
    • Intergalactic Walrus

      After Going Clear aired, I picture Miscavige in black and white striped stockings, planning his next move…
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