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Jon Atack: Scientology’s snitch culture, and how ex-members must relearn the notion of privacy

Jon_AtackJon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and for more than a year on Saturdays he helped us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet. He was kind enough to send us a new post.

Jon, we were talking the other day, and one of us mentioned an ex-church member who seemed to have a difficult time with personal boundaries. You told us how that was a product of Scientology itself, and now we’re glad to see you’ve decided to expand on that. We’re all ears.

JON: I was shocked when I received my first Knowledge Report. I had been involved in Scientology for about eight months and had just finished giving my fifth two-hour session of “book and bottle” to a reluctant preclear. This “process,” also labelled “opening procedure by duplication” consists of moving the poor preclear between two card tables at either end of a room, and asking said preclear to lift the book on one and the bottle on the other and answer the same questions about weight, color, or temperature, each time.

“Op pro by dup” (and yes, it is pronounced “dupe”) is one of the mind-numbing procedures called “objectives” because they are physical forms of hypnosis. It is supposed to induce “exteriorization” – which usually means “depersonalization” or the sense of being outside your body. I have never met anyone who claimed that it was more than a sense; no one who had “exterior perception.” Its psychiatric relative – an aspect of psychosis – is “derealization,” which can lead to a spell in hospital.

After five two-hour sessions, my preclear eventually offered a “cognition,” or realization, that he felt as if he were outside his body, and with great relief I took him back to the Scientology Franchise. Later, I told a friend about the tedium I had experienced (I would happily have left my body and traveled almost anywhere to leave the book and bottle behind). He said nothing to me, but the next day I was handed a Knowledge Report, suggesting that I had denigrated the “Technology” by admitting my boredom.

In nine years, I only received one other Knowledge Report: For writing a list of policies violated by the leadership, a couple of weeks before I resigned from the cult. I later found that this method was employed by the Gestapo, and many Hitler Youths turned in their parents through such reports. Indeed, the Gestapo was never able to keep up with the torrent of reports that poured in, such is the malevolence created by this system. Hubbard made it law that anyone who failed to snitch would receive the same penalty as the offender.

As with all Scientology behaviors, this readily fixes and becomes immovable, so I call it the Knowledge Report Implant. With the advent of the Internet, many ex-members casually report private conversations. This implant destroys the normal social ethos of privacy. From Hubbard’s point of view, it provided an early warning system against potential defectors. It was never meant for our benefit.

Vaughn and Stacy Young told me that they had each waited seven years before telling the other that they wanted to leave. They were scared of being reported. I know of more than one case where a spouse did make such a report, with dire consequences.

Privacy is a basic human right, written into constitutions and declarations the world over. If you want to control people, this is one of the rights that must be stripped away. It is second nature among Scientologists to deny privacy, and regaining privacy and granting it to others is essential in recovery from Scientology.

I have several times had my confidence breached by ex-members, who think nothing of sharing private conversations or emails, and, most unfortunately, often misunderstand or exaggerate the contents of these. Let me suggest that if you want to share such a communication, you first share it with the person who made it and make sure that you are not violating their confidence.

The documentary Citizenfour deals with Edward Snowden’s leak of National Security Agency documents, which showed the extent to which US intelligence agencies have violated international law and invaded privacy. One commentator, J. Appelbaum, made this point: “What people called liberty and freedom, we now call ‘privacy’ and we say, in the same breath that privacy is dead … When we lose privacy, we lose agency, we lose liberty itself, because we no longer feel free to express what we think.”

Whether it be the NSA or the OSA, privacy is a fundamental human right, and we should treat it as sacrosanct.

THE BUNKER: Thank you for that, Jon. And now here’s a video of you from last August, talking about “undue influence” at a conference in London…

 

 
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BOOK NOTES
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We didn’t get a chance to include photos in our book, so we’ve posted them at a dedicated page. Reader Sookie put together a complete index and we’re hosting it here on the website. Copies of the paperback version of ‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ are on sale at Amazon. The Kindle edition is also available, and shipping instantly.

Our upcoming appearances (and check out the interactive map to our ongoing tour)…

 
July 12: Washington DC, Hill Center DC-Drummond Hall, Center for Inquiry, 2 pm (with Paulette Cooper)

July 14: Hartford, MARK TWAIN HOUSE, 7 pm (with Tom Tomorrow)

July 17: Denver, The Secular Hub, 7 pm (with Chris Shelton)

July 20: Dallas, Times Ten Cellars, 7 pm (with Robert Wilonsky)

July 22: Houston, Fox and Hound, 11470 Westheimer Road, sponsored by Humanists of Houston

July 24: San Antonio, Folc Restaurant/Park Social, 6 pm

July 25: Austin

July 29: Paris, Le Bistrot Landais, 19:00 (with Jonny Jacobsen)

August 4: London, Conway Hall, (with John Sweeney)

August 24: Boston, Boston Skeptics in the Pub, 7 pm (with Gregg Housh)

Sept 15: Arizona State University

Sept 23: Cleveland

Sept 24: Minneapolis

Sept 27: Portland

Sept 28: Seattle

Sept 29: Vancouver, BC

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on July 12, 2015 at 07:00

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Learn about Scientology with our numerous series with experts…

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UP THE BRIDGE: Claire Headley and Bruce Hines train us as Scientologists

GETTING OUR ETHICS IN: Jefferson Hawkins explains Scientology’s system of justice

SCIENTOLOGY MYTHBUSTING: Historian Jon Atack discusses key Scientology concepts

PZ Myers reads L. Ron Hubbard’s “A History of Man” | Scientology’s Master Spies | Scientology’s Private Dancer
The mystery of the richest Scientologist and his wayward sons | Scientology’s shocking mistreatment of the mentally ill
The Underground Bunker’s Official Theme Song | The Underground Bunker FAQ

Our Guide to Alex Gibney’s film ‘Going Clear,’ and our pages about its principal figures…
Jason Beghe | Tom DeVocht | Sara Goldberg | Paul Haggis | Mark “Marty” Rathbun | Mike Rinder | Spanky Taylor | Hana Whitfield

 

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  • BraveBloggers

    Church if Scio, tried to meet w/ Tony b4 this appearance, which the center for inquiry didn’t set up. So COS sent a long email of questions.

    • Vaquera

      No! Love it!

    • BraveBloggers

      CFI read one question they sent, essentially why is he writing about a few bad apples etc. Tony had stellar response, as usual.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Wondered when they would finally try that.

  • Juicer77

    Q&a period. Host group organizer says cos wanted to meet w her she had no time. They sent long email w questions incl why Tony drumming up 40 yr old story about bad apples. Groans in audience. Tony says same people like Linda Hamel still doing same jobs. Samantha Sterns mom speaks up about disconnection being real.

    • Vaquera

      Please, please Tony, post the question list this afternoon or in tomorrow’s post.

      • salin

        Pretty please, even.

        • Vaquera

          With Cal Mag sprinkled on top.

          • madame duran

            Don’t forget the niacin!

          • Rasha

            Side of Dianazine for me..

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Ask who sent her the email.

      • gtsix

        Sylvia Stannard.

        • Eclipse-girl

          is she becoming the new Karin Pouw?

          • salin

            Bet it is someone local – since they tried for a meeting before sending the email.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Sylvia was at the Chautaqua event in (?) 2014 and acted as a spokesperson for scientology during the Trout River episode

            • salin

              I saw that. She was a light-weight in face of questioning. Thanks for putting that together for me.

            • Eclipse-girl

              we are a community of helpful people

            • salin

              Indeed. And you all have made this relative newbie feel quite at home!

          • Robert Hammond

            Isn’t Karin Pouw just David Miscavige in drag like Norman Bates in Psycho? Could he also be dressing up as Sylvia Stannard and even the daily trolls like we had here earlier today? After all, nobody else is doing anything, according to him.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Karin Pouw once existed.

              I just think Davey tasked them to take care of it.

        • PerpetualOutflow

          Thks. Figured it was DC OSA.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          Ugh. She needs a trip to Kool-Aid rehab.

        • Vaquera

          For newbies who are not familiar with Ms. Stannard:
          http://tonyortega.org/2014/07/29/scientology-gets-a-grilling-at-chautauqua/

          • salin

            Given how poorly she handles questions – that list of questions has got to have some comic gold per irony and nonwogspeak.

            • Vaquera

              I assume the questions came straight from COB.

            • salin

              even more comic gold. But doesn’t he sign everything as Karin Pouw? ; )

            • Vaquera

              YOU DON’T HAVE THE RANK TO ASK THAT QUESTION! 🙂

    • madame duran

      That child molester that’s being shielded from the police by the Scientology cult? He’s just a bad apple!!! Good to know ‘cos that excuses EVERYTHING!!! Thanks, L. Ron and COB!!!

      • salin

        What bad apple… the parents let the kid babysit as part of his liabilities. Ethics handled it and now there is no bad act. (sarcasm)

      • Even in Scientology’s own terms, the ‘bad apple’ excuse doesn’t fly.

        Hubbard stated that Scientology always works if it is properly applied. Therefore the child molester’s behaviour is a result of faulty processing and mistakes by his auditor. Consequently, the entire org should be examined for overts and witholds – including the ‘ethics officer’ who was at the centre of the cover-up.

        The truth is that doctrine is cynically put aside whenever there is a threat to income, and Scientologists do whatever is necessary to escape their responsibilities.

      • ze moo

        God Didn’t Make Little Green Apples….

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTzF6SebFNI

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Therefore I assume Sylvia Stanard’s confront & shatter tech and purpoted journalist credentials aren’t in the room.

      Quelle surprise!

  • Juicer77

    Great question re why people sign the cos legal docs without running it by their lawyers or taking time to consider. Tony explains that mindset is so severe like in case of Debbie Cook that they will sign anything to take the pressure off.

    • Jimmy3

      Recruiter: Sign it.
      Target: I don’t know, shouldn’t I—
      Recruiter: —No. You shouldn’t. Just sign it.
      Target: …But wouldn’t it help if—
      Recruiter: —Yes. It would help if you signed it.
      Target: I would like a—
      Recruiter: —Different color pen to sign it with? Here.
      Target: I really feel like I should—
      Recruiter: —Stop. You should stop. Because you’re at a stop…
      Target: …??
      Recruiter: …you’re at a stop… a stop…
      Target: …A… stop… sign?
      Recruiter: That’s right! Sign.
      Target: I don’t know, this is so—
      Recruiter: —Shhhhh.
      Recruiter begins making hand motions
      Target: What… what are you doing?
      Recruiter: I’m signing. You should be signing too.
      Target: This is ridiculous.
      Recruiter: Signing is ridiculous…ly easy to do. Just sign.
      Target: If I sign this, will I ever have to speak to you again?
      Recruiter pretends to shake a Magic 8-ball
      Recruiter: All signs point to no! Sign away!
      Target sighs, signs.
      Target: There. Now leave me alone forever.
      Recruiter: That wasn’t a real Magic 8-ball, you know.

      • Vaquera

        <3 you.

      • Seriously, I once approached my friend (who was renowned for taking out credit cards &c.without reading the conditions) and, in a terrific hurry said to him “quick, sign this”. he did.

        The next day, I sent him the document he had signed,. It transferred to me ownership of his house, his first-born and his soul.

        It didn’t make a blind bit of difference to his behaviour.

  • Juicer77

    Question about WISE and dentists etc who use their licenses as fronts for Cos.

    • Sir_Real

      I wish I could find an accurate, up to date list of all of their members. Don’t think there would be many here but I’d still like to know so I could stay far, far away and warn others.

      • Sir_Real

        I’ve never gotten anywhere with the WISE website, maybe it’s intentionally obtuse to any nosey wogs.

      • Robert Hammond

        The latest WISE list I could find was on Wikileaks for 2006. Large file takes a few seconds to load:

        https://file.wikileaks.org/file/wise-international-business-directory-2006.pdf

        • Sir_Real

          Thanks, I never made it to that part of the Wikileaks dirt on them. Look at all that worthless training materials they offer (or is it require???) to be had for big buck$$$ no doubt.

  • Juicer77

    Tony: front groups prepare people to accept Hubbard as a genius and put them in the mindset to accept scientology.

    Now a good question about Nation of Islam and wth with that?

    • Good point – especially as the front groups are coming into greater prominence today because Scientology’s pubic image is now so bad that they cannot recruit in their own name.

      • Juicer77

        On Sunday Tony mentioned to the crowd at the event that he only knew of one woman from NOI who was starting actual $cientology coursework. Today we have a photo of another person. Wonder how long it will be before the NOI people figure out Farrakhan is using them for the commission $$, and Farrakhan finds out how much cash DM is raking in over his head.

        • Thank you. That is the first reasonable explanation I have heard for the alliance between the CofS and the NOI.

          • Juicer77

            It’s been mentioned here before. I don’t know much about the NOI’s “training” practices, but it will be interesting to see if and why any of these transplanted individuals question what the Co$ teaches them.

  • joan nieman

    Thank you once again Jon and Chris for sharing useful information with the Bunker. I dread to think what the world would be like if we were all controlled by threats, punishment and reporting on one another. This is exactly the opposite of what people have always fought for, freedom of choice. We still have to work at this day after day. We need to do our homework before we vote. We must ensure everyone is treated with respect and our needs are met. It is more than survival that we fight for. We fight for justice, compassion and empathy.. We fight for freedom and a life that is meaningful and content. We fight against illness and disharmony. Cults attempt to destroy the very cultural we are striving for. Cults prey on the idealism that we can be a more complete human being. Cults distort idealism and toy with the mind. People are basically good. People want a stress free life to live in comfort and contentment. Sometimes it makes an individual very vulnerable and one searches for a better and easier way to obtain peace. Cults lie to these people and pull them down. Cults offer false hopes and dreams. Cults destroy families and the innocence of children. If there would be a grand description of evil, it would be the cult and it’s warped, depraved mind control. Scientology is not merely a money making scam. It is a cult.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Superb comment, thank you, Joan.

    • madame duran

      I dread to think what the world would be like if we were all controlled by threats, punishment and reporting on one another.

      North Korea. I kid you not.

      • salin

        This made me think of learning years after the Berlin Wall that even Olympic Gold Skater Katerina Witt had been pushed to do some write ups for the STASI. In that era – Olympians were exceptionally high status behind the Iron Curtain – even they were not immune from such a system.

    • To see how the world would be ” if we were all controlled by threats, punishment and reporting on one another” we only have to study the well-documented history of East Germany under the Stazi, and join the speculation about what is going on inside North Korea.

      The simple answer is, hell on earth.

  • Juicer77

    Discussion: criminal enterprise acting as a religion?

    • salin

      I am so jealous – wish I was there!

  • Rasha

    Thanks to the on-site BunkerBugs providing the commentary!! Also, Jon Atack – absolutely invaluable resource. I cannot appreciate enough the analysis and explanation you provide.

  • Juicer77

    Question re anyone acting to revoje tax emept status. Tony: some stirrings and someone acting closely with irs criminal division. Sci imploding, will it collapse first?

    • Rasha

      oh, my…….

    • Beth

      “some stirrings and someone acting closely with irs criminal division” :-))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

      • Ruby

        J. Swift? I hope!!

        • Observer

          I can’t imagine anyone better

        • Ella Raitch

          Better still. maybe someone who can testify with recent insider knowledge!

    • salin

      More… More … More!!!

    • MrsLurksALot

      Juicer, thanks so much for your running commentary! F5

  • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)
    • sugarplumfairy

      Cousin just got your book signed!! Yay! I’ll email you tomorrow..

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        <3

        Thank you!! Will be looking for your email tomorrow. No rush though, have fun today. ; )

    • PRenaud

      “..Seymour believes any journo speaking to Cruise for movie puff-pieces should grill him about Scientology given he is the cult’s most famous follower. He suggests a few choice questions: what do you say to the female Scientologists forced to have abortions? What did you know about Scientology bugging your ex-wife ­Nicole while you were together? Why did L Ron Hubbard write in Dianetics that homosexuals are mentally ill perverts? And if top executives who have left the cult say they’re ashamed of Scientology and it’s practices, why aren’t you?”

      that one journo who dares ask these questions will be a Bunker medialist…

    • May_West

      The media might some day decide to stick together & not allow TC to pull this shit.

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        Yes, it would be nice to see more media grow a pair and stop kissing his ass.

      • madame duran

        You’d think someone would see the benefit of doing just that when confronting a powerful bully like the cult of Scientology. It seems being the first with an “exclusive” and only representing your media network’s “brand” is deemed more important than the bigger picture of teaming together to defeat a common foe of the free press.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Bryan Seymour is a mad dog psych journalist who is secretly paid by the Bavarian Illuminati to attack Scientology organizations. Mr. Seymour is driven to madness because he lives upside down in Australia where all the blood rushes to people’s heads and drives them to their common madness in which they attack Scientology.

      Mr. Tommy Davis shows us the Tech of confronting and shattering the mad dog Bryan Seymour. Please note how Mr. Davis applies the exact Tech at the correct orders of magnitude in his flubless handling:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZUbfWoXnwk

      • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

        How much Scotch have you had Sir?? 😀

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Not enough. The news keeps getting worse for COB. For example, we in RTC learned this morning that tomorrow’s shipment of New Zealand lamb for COB’s dinner was destroyed in shipment by FedEx.

          This resulted in our demand that Bob Duggan donate to charter a 777 to fly in an actual lamb from Australia to Hemet and have it butchered in time for COB’s dinner tomorrow night.

          We gave Bob yet another trophy for making it happen.

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Lamb Shank Humanitarian. That Bob, he’s a hell of a guy. LOLOLOL!!

  • guess what I’ve just got…… I’ll scan the article later tonight and post it here [it’s 8 pages!]

    pic

    • Robert Hammond

      Sunday Times? Great. They were only allowing it for subscribers. Thanks ML

    • MrsLurksALot

      Yay!

    • PRenaud

      Gee thanks ML.

    • aegerprimo

      EXCELLENT!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      ML I have been thinking of you and your struggles with Google over your website.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Introduction to the Knowledge Report
    Issued by the Religious Technology Center

    The Knowledge Report (KR) is designed to protect you and other Scientologists from receiving any unwanted and enturbulative communications containing entheta, natter, proveable bullshit, Black PR, or that forward an enemy line. As a thetan, you have a right to communicate and to not communicate. Thus, the KR is simply a lesser form of an SP Declare. The KR is a early warning system of “Out Ethics” behavior that could, if left unchecked, lead to your expulsion from Scientology and the utterly ruinous loss of your eternity — a fate so awful that even a Big Being like Tom Cruise cannot confront it. This is why Tom Cruise wrote all of those KR’s on his ex-wives Kate and that really tall suppressive blonde from Australia whose name escapes us at the moment. Tom also wrote KR’s on Suri when she criminally originated that COB was “Mr. Poopy Head”

    Of course, the handling is never communicate any entheta, natter, proveable bullshit, Black PR, or to forward an enemy line. In other words, only speak good and happy things that are easy for other Scientologists to hear. If you have a problem why then get it handled in session or with the chaplain. These terminals are here to help. If another Scientologist attempts to 3P another Scientologist, the Church, Church leaders, or otherwise engages in entheta, natter, Black PR, or forwards an enemy line, you must then write a KR immediately so that we in RTC can handle this person and restore them to an ethical state and condition.

    Scientologists who traffic in entheta, natter, Black PR, or the forwarding of enemy lines are Sickos. Your duty is to turn in all Sickos to we in RTC.

    http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/S6_zps5e8439b6.png

    • Jimmy3

      I’m sure Suri meant to say “Mr. Popey Head”. But it was good that she was promptly KR’d.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Jimmy3, please don’t try to cover up for Suri. She knows what she said was bad, bad, bad and that she had Ev Purps on COB. You know that children are simply adults in small bodies. Children need to have Ethics smashed into them like everyone else.

        And Scientologists should also know that writing KR’s on their family and friends is now easier than ever thanks to the RTC online reporting system. Scientology justice and ethics is just a few dozen keystrokes and a mouse click away!

        http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/RTC.KR_zpsyja8rztn.png

        • arcinva

          “…are sent electronically in just a few minutes from anywhere in the world.”

          *sigh* I don’t even know where to start with that. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that they don’t understand how (or how fast) electronic communications work.

  • Mockingbird

    Good day Bunkeroos . I have had my own misadventures with exes prying into my personal life . Some have even acted like I needed to tell all , prove everything I said and write about what they want in the way they know is right.

    I have had to point out that what I write and reveal is a personal choice . Just like their choice to read it .
    I even have had some who use unprovable and un disprovable claims to attack me if I didn’t comply with their orders .

    I have had some oddly act like my other work is invalidated if I don’t talk to them on their terms by giving up the personal information they want immediately upon their demand . I try to understand they are betrayed and often hurt but I am not an inferior to be bullied . No one is .

    This article really helped me to understand this issue better and thst it is not isolated to me or a result of a deficiency in my personality.

    I have had to ask a few exes to leave me alone after they would challenge everything I write , misrepresent my statements to others , say I am a liar and must prove otherwise and that they know what I think and it is unacceptable . They sometimes do not know normal boundaries and are moy open to gentlr reminders about boundaries and manners .

  • pluvo

    “Privacy is a basic human right, written into constitutions and declarations the world over.”

    If you are a dedicated Scientologist, your life is not your own. You are owned. This is enforced through Hubbard’s so called ‘ethics’ and (in-)justice system which is one of a dictatorial regime. … All the while making you believe that nothing but your spiritual freedom is of interest.

    A person who was never in Scientology cannot imagine the “KR-wars” (KR=Knowledge Report).
    If one has even the faintest complaint one is made to shut up with “Write a KR!!” which is also acting as thought-stopping.

  • Vaquera

    Check out new poster, Vich Bradley’s comment at the top of yesterday’s blog, set to newest.

    Sadly; “going public” is a tough “sin” to return from in their eyes.

    I can relate – I was SO in ’74-76 in LA and my polite request to leave earned months of the RPF’s RPF white gloving elevator shafts and boiler rooms. Further requests to leave earned an indefinite stay in the “Turkey Room” where 20 people were locked for weeks while they slowly got their “exit sec check”. Bizarrely, only a “threat to sue” earned immediate release (and excommunication). I’m amazed nobody killed themselves or died from the mistreatment and poor conditions with heart failure or disease. I had the honor of being their first “graduate to RPF” in months, sigh, for the honor of being RPF for 6 more months until the building was finally finished and I was “released in good standing” – and a fat freeloader debt.

    The RPM was supposedly modeled after the “Flag RPF”; that was in turn modeled after 18th century English seafaring ways. In hindsight; more a reflection of Hubbard finding new levels of delusion.

    Strangely; right when they needed a large labor force to renovate the old Cedars Siani Hospital into the new ASHO LA center in Hollywood; they coincidentally discovered all these terrible people (100?… it was a lot) on their staff who really needed a year of solid manual RPF labor to mend their ways.

    Point being; our lives were so entirely brain washed that, even “the Turkeys” didn’t threaten lawsuit. A few managed to bolt and escape; amazingly nobody went to the FBI to wear a wire. I’m sure the ever-feared Scientology Legal office would have destroyed them.

    My youngest sister (a lifelong SO member) “disconnected” from us and my parents for 10 years; just to force their hand to re-join. Of course we all declined, but It broke my heart to seem my mom’s broken so. My mom never forgave my dad; who on his dying bed said his only regret in life was Scientology (that 2 siblings still participate in). Mom never really recovered; although now my sister has recanted her “disconnect” and consoles her with occasional visits. I still don’t forgive her; but she at least asks for it.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner
      • Vaquera

        Thx. I couldn’t figure out how to link it via iPad.

      • Robert Hammond

        That was sweet of you, Andrea. So hard to keep up with everyone coming in here. BTW, I’ve only been posting there for a few months, even though I had been lurking quietly for some time before. You were one of my early influences to come inside when you changed from “I-Betty” and I saw your confidence.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Seriously, Robert? That’s amazing! *happy face*

          • Robert Hammond

            Yes, seriously, Andrea. I was going to keep a low profile and just read the posts without wanting to draw any attention to myself. But after seeing you change to your real name, I felt that it was worth the risk. If you recall, that about the time I first posted here.

            I know that using real names and photos is not for everyone and I respect that most people choose to remain anonymous.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I’m really touched that you would say that, because that is exactly why I have slowly started to use my own name, post photos of myself, talk about my family – because I think it takes away the threat that Scientology holds over critics. There are just so many of us now, and there’s safety in numbers.

            • Robert Hammond

              I agree and I really appreciate you for your transparency. After seeing Going Clear and watching people like Chris Shelton, Jon Atack, Karen, Tory, Pete Griffin, and so many others who speak out so eloquently, it was hard for me to remain on the sidelines.

              As you say, there’s safety in numbers. Their power is quickly waning.

            • Free Minds, Free Hearts

              It depends. I am not scared of the cult but I am scared about having my family member disconnect from me if they find out who I am.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          I am proud to call her my friend. She is an amazing woman. 🙂

          • Robert Hammond

            Andrea is indeed amazing. And so are you Stephanie. I also remember your warm welcome when I first came aboard.

            BTW, you’re in New Orleans,right? I had the privilege of coming down there after Katrina to help rebuild houses and give out supplies. That was one of the most amazing experiences of my life. The people were so resilient and beautifully grateful for the little help we could give. I hope to come down again under more pleasant circumstances.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              I am a part-time New Orleanian. ; )

              Thank you for giving your time and energy to our area, no doubt it was wanted and needed at the time. Do come again when you can, experiencing this area when it’s not in crisis is A LOT more fun, I promise. lol Come for the food and the music, if for no other reason. 🙂

            • Robert Hammond

              I will definitely return for the food and the music. I have a nephew who works in one of the major hospitals there. I’d love to come down for a mini-vacay one of these days.

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            Big ditto. You’re such a special person, Nolly 🙂

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              *sniff*

              I have something in my eye…damn allergies…. 🙂

    • Robert Hammond

      Thanks V. That’s a good post. So hard to keep up with things that keep coming in at all hours.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      RPF and disconnection – a double whammy 🙁

  • Ardent

    In Jon’s talk he discusses the importance of what I’ll call “polite and respectful” online chat rooms or groups for those leaving the cult. I immediately realised that The Bunker is exactly that. My greatest thanks to Tony for providing this space for once-ins and never-ins to respectfully exchange ideas.
    Have a wonderful day,
    Ardent

    • Rasha

      Hear, hear.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Here, here !

        • Rasha

          Hear here!

    • Mockingbird

      I have been in several places and found the Bunker to be the most cordial.

  • Cosmo Pidgeon

    My experience with Op Pro by Dup did include exterior perception. I also had no idea that that was the “end phenomena” of the process. I found myself on the ceiling in a corner viewing the top of my head and the top of the auditors head speaking to my face. I thought this was so cool I tried to hide it from the auditor and was successful for one trip across the room. Then I just burst out laughing. The auditor asked what up? and I told him. He then ended the process. That was what hooked me. I knew I was a spiritual being. It may well be depersonalization as Jon said or we may be spiritual beings as many claim in near death experiences for example. That’s a debate that has been going on for centuries as to whether when you die things just go black or is there some type of existence after death. Are we spiritual beings? Either way this state is probably attainable through some forms of meditation as well. The subject of Knowledge Reports is essential to understanding the toxic nature of Scientology, along with Disconnection and Fair Game. Knowledge Reports are a source of loss of intimacy in marriages and a source of mistrust among friends. Another piece of borrowed “tech” by Hubbard. This time borrowed from the Nazi’s.

    • B4you

      The questions about being a spiritual being is still open, just don´t ask a con-man.

  • Vaquera

    London Sunday Times magazine teaser of their TC cover story. F5
    http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/Magazine/article1577508.ece

    • ze moo

      Sounds like a poorly hidden, ‘Isn’t TC great, he does his own stunts’ tribute.

      • $cnMonkeyNut$

        It isn’t, it’s Murdoch trying to spike a competitor’s movie. This is what I said 7 hours ago (but I think it bears repeating):

        Yes-but it’s a Paramount release and the Sunday Times, being a Murdoch Mouthpiece, will do everything in its power to spike any possible audience for the film-by suddenly finding the balls to mention TC’s links to Co$. (Having hitherto only given us the sound of crickets on the issue)

        My dislike of Murdoch and his organisations is only just eclipsed by my disdain for TC. Hateful individuals.

  • Alice Smith

    I am a fan of Jon Atack, but sometimes I think he is not very familiar with the “wog” world, where gossip is aplenty. It would be nice if Jon wrote an article and refrained from fining fault with or policing ex-members and if he did not make accusations about how dumb we all are.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I’m sorry you feel that way, Alice. My feeling is that Jon has been around for so long that he’s experienced almost every negative and positive with exes, so he has a wealth of anecdotes to call on when he’s writing for the Bunker. When he’s covering difficult subjects, like he often does, he is going to use his experiences as background for the article.

      Apologies if I’ve misunderstood.

      • MrsLurksALot

        I just re-read the post to find accusations of dumbness. I’m now confused, as I couldn’t locate any.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Yes, I’m not sure whether Alice is referring to Jon’s blog post or the video.

          • MrsLurksALot

            Maybe she’ll explain further…..

          • Robert Hammond

            I read the blog and watched the video. I can’t figure out what she was referring to. I didn’t see anything I would consider “gossip” or “policing ex-members.” Not sure what that was about.

    • Snake Plissken

      He probably could sugarcoat it, or even lie to you like the Scientology Crime Syndicate does, but the truth of the matter is … getting involved with Scientology is nothing but dumb.

    • Robert Hammond

      Can you be more specific as to what Jon said that you found offensive? I didn’t get what you’re saying about “gossip” or finding “fault or policing ex-members” from what I read in the post or saw in the video above.

    • pluvo

      The “wog” gossip doesn’t even come near the Scientology snitching culture.

    • stillgrace2

      Sorry, I see what you’re doing and you can’t fool me. Thank you for your contribution and please be sure to clean up after yourself! (F5)

    • Mockingbird

      Alice , in his defense I have been grilled about my personal life when discussing issues where it has no relevance.
      I think understanding that he never says ALL exes ALWAYS are identical. Many exes completely abandon Scientology and try to never talk about it , think about it or associate with Scientology , Scientologists , other exes or anything remotely connected to it .

      The effects of Scientology like the influence it exerts vary greatly in degree . Try to understand he has to address a lot of different degrees of influence in his articles and space here greatly limits him .

    • Sir_Real

      That’s finding not fining. -10 for spelling. **Refresh**

    • madame duran

      *goes on intercom speaker* Attention Observer…clean up (and screen grab) in aisle 3, please.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Alice isn’t a troll. Check her posting history.

      • stillgrace2

        If I’m wrong, I’ll put myself in the penalty box a la Howdy for the rest of the week.

    • Jimmy3

      Alice seems to be expressing an honest opinion here. Whatever you think of it, respond to that, but don’t give her the troll treatment.

      • stillgrace2

        “I am not a scientologist, BUT ….
        Does that help, Jimmy?

        • Jimmy3

          But her comments read very critical and date back a long while. I don’t see it. She even called me a CoS defender once. Now I’m thinking that maybe I’m the troll. Oh no

          • stillgrace2

            Ha Ha. I went back and re-read the article to find the part where Jon accused “us” of being dumb. Couldn’t find it. I’m wary. I did enjoy your KR this morning tremendously and didn’t pull out a water-sucking 3 leaf clover in my garden today because of it.

            • Jimmy3

              You are very kind. But even I would treat clover like the weed that it is. Pull that out of your garden ASAP.

            • stillgrace2

              But it looks just like you, Jimmy! I can’t.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I’m with you, Still.. I never remember seeing Jon criticise exes.. His integrity, like his fact-checking, is flawless.. You get today’s Cap’n Howdy award for excellence in.. ummm.. dubiosity..

        • Robert Eckert

          Ordinary profile, sporadic comments tracing back to the beginnings of the Bunker, ex with some desire to hold on to good aspects of Scientology.

    • B4you

      I feel pretty dumb after 30+ years. Thanks to Jon, i know why!

    • As an ex-member himself, he knows whereof he speaks. Also, far from being condescending towards such people he has a history of offering them practical support.

  • BraveBloggers

    Omg, we’re sitting down to eat with Tony, Juicer77, and many others. Nener, nener!

    • flyonthewall

      you should change your name to BragginBloggers

      • BraveBloggers

        Lmao

        • flyonthewall

          may I have a seat at your table? I’ll just have a saucer of sugar water

          • sugarplumfairy

            I’ll share with you..

          • BraveBloggers

            No, but you can pull up a seat and join us w/sangria!

      • BraveBloggers

        To be fair, Juicer77 added the nener nener.

        • flyonthewall

          classic juicer

    • gtsix

      Woot Drinking sangria.

    • Supper Powers

      Supper Powers!

    • Eclipse-girl

      you will have the time of your life.

    • arcinva

      Arg… I should’ve hung around afterwards. I would’ve but my wonderful fiance’ came with me today and I felt I’d asked enough of him to drive a few hours to see Tony & Paulette. I didn’t think I could ask him to hang around hoping we could get an invite. 😉

      • BraveBloggers

        My hubby (who is supportive of my involved scio watching (lol), but not a scio watcher himself came, watched and learned. He admitted that he understood a few things but he seems much more willing now to wade a little deeper in the knowledge pool. I’m sure you would’ve been welcome to join us, you’re a Bunkeroo. After all, we are a family. Funny, silly, don’t want to bring your friend home after school (hehe) family. But still family.

        • Juicer77

          Mr. B is a sweetie. Please tell him thanks for letting us take up so much of your time and attention 🙂

          • BraveBloggers

            Aww, Ty. He was such a sponge. On the way home he was asking so many questions. He said, and I quote,”I don’t get it. It doesn’t make sense. Who the hell operates with their head up their asses? How is this all possible?” I said, welcome to the reason free entity. He is slowly reading. He got so frustrated twice today with articles, he said he had to stop for a bit because he can’t understand the intended intent of the seemingly constantly screwing yourself and then crying rape by the world at large. (Last one is a loose quote, but to the point. And I cleaned up the expletives.) I said, ahh you’re beginning to grasp it!

            But he had a blast! He also remarked that Paulette was a “hottie” then and now. Hehehe

            • Juicer77

              She is! 🙂 It’s a lot of info to take in, quite the learning curve for a sensible, logical mind. If he hasn’t read Steve Hassan’s Combating Cult Mind Control please recommend it highly to him. It really helps make sense of why cult members do what they do. Perhaps meeting other Bunkeroos reassured him that we’re not such a bad influence? 😉

            • BraveBloggers

              LOL, y’all had him at Sangria!

  • Juicer77

    Me and my bud 🙂

    • Juicer77

      F5

      • Chee Chalker

        Jealous!

      • MrsLurksALot

        I’m dying here! Send my best and continue having a blast!

      • MrsLurksALot

        FIFY…f5

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          You at you, you’re gorgeous! There’s something in the water at the Bunker.

          • MrsLurksALot

            We got beautiful and handsome in one pic!

        • Robert Hammond

          Love those beautiful smiles. Sincere happiness and friendship is hard to beat.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Oh thankyou! You know how irritating it is to try and look at an upside-down pic on an iPad? How long will one fairy keep turning it and turning it and turning it? TOO long!!

          • MrsLurksALot

            My pleasure.

      • Richard

        I didn’t know the conference was in Australia!

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          Heehee 😀

      • Vaquera

        Tony turns your world upside down. 🙂

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Really great photo!

      • MaxSpaceman

        Me- and my buddy
        Chilling with those Bunkeroos!
        Me- and my buddy
        Filet of Sole, Sangria thru and through !

        • Juicer77

          Miss u Max!

  • pluvo

    One of the biggest relieves when I was out and free again, was that people respected my privacy and that there was no KR and snitching culture anymore. No more agitation. No more threats. No more accusations. No more suffocation of thoughts. But … Calm. …Peace. … Enjoying the fresh and gentle summer breeze … mentally breathing…

    • MrsLurksALot

      Enjoy the normalcy; you’ve earned it.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Out! and free again!
        No more threats. No more snitching.
        Enjoying normal !

        • MrsLurksALot

          Welcome normalcy
          Freedom rings in happiness
          With no hidden fees.

    • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

      I know that finding true friends who would keep your secrets, whatever they were, must have been a relief too. I am so happy you’re here with us pluvo. 🙂

      • Interested

        It is not only the exes who break confidences, I had a friend of 37 years, my best friend, the executor of my estate, because I pulled her up short, (she could always tell me about crap things she felt i had said/thought and other shit) on her behaviour she vented on a Facebook open page all the things I had told her in confidence, and I think made up others ( think because my kids told me not to read it it was so bad) . Yep shit happens even in the wog world. We move on.

        • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

          You’re absolutely right Interested, friends can betray you no matter who you are or what you believe and I am sorry to hear that someone you considered a friend did that to you.

          I was just stating that it must be a great relief to a person who leaves Co$ and finds friends who won’t KR them for any little thing. Getting out of that snitching culture must feel like a giant weight lifted off their shoulders.

          • Interested

            You are absolutely right. There are many of you I would one day like to meet,because you are wise and good of heart. Wonderful qualities, precious qualities.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              You are all of those things too Interested. 🙂

              Hope to meet you one day too. (((hugs)))

        • salin

          I think Jon raises it not because the exes are inherently rude people who are being crossing boundaries just to be rude, but instead that the culture can destroy the sense of boundaries. That coming out of that world an effect can be to run over individual boundaries without any ill intent. Pointing that out might help some recognize that damaging aspect of life in CoS, and thus might help start learning to put up boundaries and respect other peoples’ boundaries. Or choose not to – and thus act with ill intent.

          Of course there are rude people and/or people who do not recognize or honor boundaries in the wog world. They often know they are crossing boundaries and do so knowingly.

          I am sorry that you had such a jolting experience with such a long-term friend. I notice the word “had” used which suggests that her action was done willingly and with ill intent. On that point we agree – people treat confidences cavalierly, or at worst in ways that betray the trust of the relationship.

    • Juicer77

      🙂

  • Juicer77

    Ordering appetizers 🙂 om nom nom. Conversation is going over white sangria…

    • Supper Powers

      Bringing down CoS one cheese stick at a time!

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Aren’t those made by taking fat and giving them a cholesterol bath?

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I love you!

        • SP Wogsy

          He/she is cute right? : )

          • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

            I just love how obsessed with food she is. We’re food twins 😀

            • Supper Powers

              You have know idea how much restraint I show here. I would be formally escorted out of the Bunker if I let loose.

            • SP Wogsy

              Speaking of food, I will be making blueberry pancakes soon – my first time. I’ve been craving carbs for some reason. I promise I will share with the Bunker. : )

            • Supper Powers

              Use a little lemon rind with the blueberries, if I may suggest.

            • SP Wogsy

              Lemon rind??? Oh dear, I was just going to throw some buleberries in the batter and call it a day.

            • Supper Powers

              Good place to start. Next time on the lemon. Enjoy!

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Yes, yes! She’s right! Lemon rind and blueberries are a match made in heaven. I think I’ve found my soulmate 😀

            • Tree

              I squeeze fresh lemons right on the pancakes then dust with powdered sugar. Now I am leaving the bunker because I just lost 25 pounds and eating this kind of food it will be right back.

            • Ella Raitch

              I share your pain!

            • Vaquera

              I’m making breakfast for dinner, too. Banana cinnamon pancakes, though my nieces are begging for chocolate chip (I’m on babysitting duty), and apple chicken sausage. What wine would pair best?

            • SP Wogsy

              I’m having mine tomorrow but how about Hermosas??? I dunno i’m a newbie at this

            • EmmaDaoust

              We had a lovely Ontario rhubarb wine last night – more like a cooler than a wine, really. Sweet and tart at the same time. Very fresh.

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Mmmm, a white wine with a fruity taste maybe?

            • Vaquera

              I want a glass of the white sangria they are having in DC, but only if I can have it with them. 🙂 🙁

            • Supper Powers

              If I may, a grapefruity Sauvignon Blanc. My go-to is Starborough. About $12.

          • Supper Powers

            I have my moments. Thanks.

        • Supper Powers

          There is power in gathering with friends to break bread and recharge for the next thing, isn’t there!?

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Sometimes our family makes it a ritual. 🙂

            When we do a big family and/or friends meal, we go all out. My mother-in-law is the undisputed dinner party champion in our family. 😀

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Thanks so much for giving us the blow by blow. Sounds like another fantastic event.

    • MrsLurksALot

      Okay, now you’re just rubbing it in….;) I’m positively green, I’m so jealous!

  • Juicer77

    Tony just said something and i spit water down my shirt. LoL 🙂

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Pics or it didn’t happen.

      • Rasha

        Jinx

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      I’ve been waiting patiently for Jimmy to hazard a couple of guesses…

      • sugarplumfairy

        I’m hazarding a guess it was something along the lines “either get off my lap or pass me the nachos..”

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          If I’ve told you once, I’ve told you a million times: I’m not giving you access to my sources. Why is your nose almost touching my cellphone screen?

          • Juicer77

            He let me hold his phone and take a pic… i asked him how fast he can run 😉

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol.. You’re so cute..

            • Juicer77

              Hi you! I saw your cuz!! She said you got the pic. Hope you are feeling ok.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Feeling great.. Just sorry to miss such a great party! Thanks so much for the bunker updates.. Made it feel like we were there.. You are hilarious..

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              He smells like a dreamy cologne doesn’t he? 😀 😀 😀

            • sugarplumfairy

              You know we’re all living vicariously through Juicer.. I think we’re gonna scare Tony..

            • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

              Hehehehe!! 😀

            • Eivol Ekdal

              Just wait till he gets to the UK…
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArNz8U7tgU4

            • Vaquera

              You are hilarious, J77.

        • Juicer77

          Lol 🙂

      • Jimmy3

        Don’t look to me, I have no idea what’s going on. But if I had to guess, I’d say this blog is now being run by The Proprietress, Juicer77. All hail The Proprietress.

  • Eclipse-girl

    later afternoon reminder

    Please click on the heart at the top of the comments. We are getting a great response for that.
    Please look at this article. It should receive the same attention

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    Please flag the the CL ads.

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    Thank you for doing this.

  • Eclipseboy

    Jon atack…again? This is getting boring. I’m sorry but I don’t believe in ‘de-programmers’.

    • RBE

      Leave the troll alone. Other things to attend to and enjoy.

    • Eclipse-girl

      because of past behavior

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Oh Eclipseboy, you don’t believe in them, but you are SO tragically in need of them.

    • Troll be gone!

    • $cnMonkeyNut$

      F5

      • sugarplumfairy

        Yay!! I was just waiting before I posted it.. Your’s, in lrh’s own crappy hand, is just soooo much stupider..

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          I now have it instantly available for rapid troll repellant, and moRon’s handwriting makes it so much more satisfyingly undeniable 🙂

      • Robert Hammond

        Didn’t scroll down to see that you had already sprayed the disenfectant. Sent the printed version as well.

        • $cnMonkeyNut$

          The more the merrier Robert 🙂

    • EmmaDaoust
      • EmmaDaoust

        C’mon, laugh. You know you want to. 🙂

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Squirrel did his own stunts.

        • EmmaDaoust

          Have you seen the water-skiing squirrel?

          • HillieOnTheBeach

            Don’t get me started on cute animal videos. I don’t come back for three days.

        • ze moo

          Tom Cruise is so envious…..

    • sugarplumfairy

      So, you’re still programmed?

      • Robert Hammond

        Darkness does not like the light.

      • heycaligula

        “Programmed”is magical thinking.

    • Sir_Real

      I see what you did there with the name you chose, what an insult to her. Get outta here and never come back!

    • Robert Hammond

      Do you prefer Hubbard?

      The head of the Galactic Federation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago, very space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet – 178 billion on average) by mass implanting..

      He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb on the principal volcanos (incident II) and then the Pacific area ones were taken – in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas and there “packaged”.

      His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits etc was placed in the unplants. When through with his crime loyal officers (to the people) captured him after six years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap where he still is. “They” are gone. The place (Confederation) has since been a desert.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      You guys really, REALLY fear Jon Atack. He’s guaranteed to bring you crawling out of the woodwork.

      • heycaligula

        What is there to fear, Jon Atack appears to be brilliant and is respectful and sober in his delivery. Some might not agree with some or all of his conclusions. There is nothing to fear from an intelligent man like that who promotes testing things out for oneself. The world needs more talking like him.

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          “who promotes testing things out for oneself”

          Well said 🙂

          • heycaligula

            I watched Steve Hassan interviewing Jon Atack today. Atack said something about testing things out for oneself.

    • Chee Chalker

      How do you feel about re-programmers? (aka the Indie movement)

    • stillgrace2

      Bill Yaude is mixing it up today! Aren’t ya?

      • Observer

        Sigh …

    • heycaligula

      De-programmer$ need to make a living somehow partypooper, they might as well fabricate a fantastic Manchurian candidate type story in order to get rich families to pay for imaginary deprogramming. Never mind that scientists and top psychologists only have latest theories and guesses about how the mind works and what it actually is, but thankfully , de-programmer$ have it all figured out.

  • flyonthewall

    Alfreddie Johnson looks to be doing very well for himself. (F5) Thank you seccheck blog https://seccheck.wordpress.com/

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      That’s a very, very silly motorbike 😛

      • MrsLurksALot

        It positively exudes the aura of jackass.

      • flyonthewall

        It is the chariot he will ride into the heavens to reach the Mother Wheel

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam#The_Mother_Plane_and_Ezekiel.27s_Wheel

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          What the flagnog?! Christianity is so dull by comparison.

          • flyonthewall

            Idk, drinking the blood and eating the flesh of God in order to live forever is pretty fuckin’ cool as far as way out beliefs

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              It’s cool, I’ll give you that, but is it Mother Plane cool?

            • flyonthewall

              in an old school pagan way, yes, much cooler. Now don’t get me wrong, Mother Plane and crazy scientists genetically engineering people etc is also pretty entertaining for a 20th century thing

            • Robert Hammond

              They lost me when they said the “white blue eyed devils” were created in the test tube by the evil renegade scientist Yakub.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      Did you see the picture they have of the ginger “Word Clearer” in Minsk? It looks like maybe LRON has come back from Target Two!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Sweet Jesus! He does look like the Commodore:

        https://i0.wp.com/i.imgur.com/L3J73ak.jpg

        • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

          The lips that could suck a nun’s arse right through the bars of the convent gate!

          • EmmaDaoust

            Egad.

          • B4you

            OMFG 🙂 I got the picture

          • Graham

            I’m assuming your sweet white-haired mother is not a reader of this blog?

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              My Irish friend says it all the time 😀

            • Graham

              Hmm… Blaming it on the Irish eh?

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              I was afraid you were about to drop me in it with my mum! 🙂

          • NOLAGirl (Stephanie)

            Bahahahaha!! *laughcry*

          • Robert Hammond

            You have a beautiful way with words, Andrea. ;D

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            The lips that could suck a nun’s arse right through the bars of the convent gate!

            i-Betty: Report to Ethics. Pack a bag as you will be there for several years.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Oh, no! I apologise 😛

        • flyonthewall

          You better take care of him OTVIII. Take care of him with…extreme prejudice. He may try to usurp the throne

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            After he signs certain documents it is likely he will accidentally fall overboard late at night while attending the OT Prosperity Conference aboard the MV. Freewinds. To get on COB’s bad side while in international waters is never a good thing.

      • flyonthewall

        I have now! By Jove, I think you’re onto something Dr. Walrus!

      • Sir_Real

        Yes, you nailed it! A young LRH still honing his evil craft!

      • Chee Chalker

        Oh my……that is frightening

        • burythenuts

          GAH!!!!!

      • SP Wogsy

        I don’t know how I missed this, but this is scary.

    • madame duran

      “Pimp My Fool” — new TV show, coming in September!

      • salin

        On ScientoloTV (if they ever open their tv station)

    • Sir_Real

      Does the same team of “artisans” who design the hideous trophies handed out at whale-worshipping rallies have a custom motorcycle gig on the side? Or are they built by slave Sea Org victims?

      • flyonthewall

        john brousseau must of had an apprentice

    • aegerprimo

      I wouldn’t be caught dead riding that gaudy motorcycle down the street. Seriously WTF!?

      • Sir_Real

        A tacky, tasteless, gaudy display of narcissism and hubris. Clams have no shame or sense of decorum, those are suppressive wog characteristics.

      • flyonthewall

        money does not buy you taste

    • Eclipse-girl

      a display of penis envy?

    • Spackle Motion

      Disgusting. I hope he drives this monstrosity up and down Wilmington Blvd….at night. Let the people of Compton know where their tax dollars went.

    • Snake Plissken

      That thing needs a couple chandeliers mounted to the handlebars

      • Robert Hammond

        Liberace on wheels!

        • Snake Plissken

          Exactly

    • Snake Plissken

      That’s just like the scooter Xenu used to cruise around with on Coltus 75,000,000 years ago F5

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        What are you trying to imply Snake?

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      We in RTC take severe notice of those who would try to upstage COB or otherwise attempt to usurp COB’s magnificence. There really was no need for Alfreddie to post this photo in an attempt to attack and invalidate COB. Isn’t it enough for Alfreddie that COB has given him, and indeed all Scientologists, the miraculous gift of GAT II? Did Alfreddie post this photo so that people would think more of him and think less of COB? This is a thing that should not be. Alfreddie will need hundreds or thousands of hours of sec checking.

      http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/COB.2_zpsoptt725x.png

    • arcinva

      What… the… frak?! ROFL!

  • nottrue

    Breaking a peaceful protester’s camera is so sicking. If a protester broke a scientologist’s camera what do you think would have happened….

    • Tree

      Would you like me to try? I am feeling pretty frisky today.

    • flyonthewall

      That man has anger management issues. He did that in front of his children too, who were begging him to stop. I feel sorry for them. The below is from SP’s R Us thread. Alex was there and witnessed it.

      Alex Hageli – During the assault, Scientologist Jay Mann’s two kids yelled out “Dad” to him to try to get him to disengage. The kids know better than the adult.

    • Jack99

      “WHAT ARE YOUR CRUMBS?!
      HAVE YOU EVER NAMED A BABY?!”

      • flyonthewall

        On Jan 21, 1987 at the Walmart in Astoria I suggested my friend Nancy name her baby Zach bc she loves that character in Saved By The Bell

        On Mar 02, 2003 at the Miscavige Hospital for the Criminally Insane I named my daughter Juniper. I don’t know why my daughter was born in a fictitious mental hospital

        On May 16, 2001 I read a baby names book at Barnes and Noble in Westfield Mall. I cannot recall the title

        • Robert Eckert

          For a boy, how about Noob? For a girl, Ermagerd.

        • OTD:OutTheDoor

          You are Heather Weber. I just know!

          • flyonthewall

            icksnay on the atherhevay

  • flyonthewall

    Did you know the Southern Poverty Law Center classifies the Nation of Islam as a HATE GROUP?

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/black-separatist

    • Sir_Real

      And as far as I’m concerned, so should the so-called “Church” Scientology.

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        God, yes, the very definition of a Hate Group.

      • Robert Hammond

        Cults of a feather hate together.

    • arcinva

      How could they not? They’re blatantly racist and antisemitic.

  • TonyOrtega

    This Juicer person is very friendly.

    • SP Wogsy

      I think she has earned the TO groupie patronium status! : )

      • BraveBloggers

        This caused a big laugh.

    • flyonthewall

      keep one hand on your phone at all times!

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Make sure to check for a ring first.

    • Vaquera

      Is she slamming margs AGAIN?

      • gtsix

        Sangria, actually.

    • EmmaDaoust

      Somebody’s taken over Tony’s phone!

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Juicer? Did you just frape Tony?

    • Rasha

      Do I need to nail someone’s foot down…?

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Juicer, I missed you! And to the woman in the window at the nearby Thai restaurant with Miss Lovely on her table — thumbs up!

      • Juicer77

        A Miss Lovely sighting in the wild! That’s rare.. .and exciting!

  • Juicer77

    This guy next to me won’t shutup!!

    • Rasha

      ..he’s a reporter and blogger, what do you expect?

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Maybe if you were friendlier with him…

    • gtsix

      Well stop saying you will stab him with a fork. I think that lowers your award status

    • BraveBloggers

      But, to be fair, a rather engaging dining companion!

  • TonyOrtega

    Juicer got her dinner and I didn’t. We had both ordered the same thing. OSA?

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Hope you have someone to taste yours first.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Are there ChemTrails?

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      But she would share – and if not, she is in big trouble in the Bunker!

      • gtsix

        She tried, the gentleman refused her offer.

        • Juicer77

          True fact. He is a gentleman.

          • PerpetualOutflow

            LOL, This is True.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Knock it off!

              This is not how Knowledge Reports are supposed to work!

            • Rasha

              Worst. Knowledge. Report. EVAR!!!!

    • SP Wogsy

      Sounds like the cook is a Juicer fan – lol.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      I sent you some dosh today so have a drink on me.

    • Jack99

      “If attacked by anyone or anything or any organization, always make their restaurant order arrive late.”

      – L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 15 August 1960

    • George Layton

      You should have ordered one each.

      • burythenuts

        Rimshot.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    So plaid shirt guys never came back? Did they pay to get in and then leave? No other weirdos present?

    • Juicer77

      Nope. One pass and gone. Too quick for photos. Sorry

  • EmmaDaoust

    O T but just found out legendary singer Jon Vickers died at 88.

    http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2015/07/12/canadian-opera-singer-jon-vickers-dies-at-88.html

    • Robert Eckert

      Omar Sharif died on Friday.

      http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-33483877

      He remained a playboy and a lady’s man late in life. Once a freelance paparazzo got some pictures of him at a socialite ball and told the editor Omar was with a girl who could have been his granddaughter. “Get any pics with the girl?” — “I shot Sharif, but I did not shoot the debutante.”

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Was a minute or two late getting settled for Tony and Ms. Cooper today as Miss Lovely had to make an important pit stop on the way….

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      Ooooooh, I LOVE it!

    • romanesco

      That’s one for the archives.

      • salin

        It is classic!

    • Robert Hammond

      Coming full circle. I hope the FBI cameras pick that image up and are forced to read it as part of the investigation. The Unbreakable Miss Lovely should be made required reading at the FBI Academy.

    • burythenuts

      This one is a keeper!

    • adangerousbeauty

      Well played. That is awesome – thanks for sharing!

      (I’m the girl who was sitting next to you at the event earlier today. It was great meeting you!)

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Enjoyed meeting you — and good luck on the bar exam!
        Edit: Let us know how it goes!

        • adangerousbeauty

          Will do. Thanks so much!

        • adangerousbeauty

          Will do. Thanks so much!

          • aquaclara

            Good luck on your exam! We need lots of lawyers around here!

            • adangerousbeauty

              Thank you! Glad to be here (well, I admit I’ve been lurking for a while now). I’m just so appalled by how much they manage to ‘get away with’ in terms of human rights violations by hiding behind the First Amendment.

      • Juicer77

        I missed you, too?!! Dagnabit!

        • adangerousbeauty

          I heard someone call you by (forum) name after the event, so I saw you but didn’t get to say hi. I’ll be sure to introduce myself next time.

          Thank you for the lovely bookmarks, by the way – I grabbed a couple because I couldn’t decide which color I wanted.

          • Juicer77

            Great! I have a few left over… maybe I can mail them to someone going to one of the talks 🙂

    • arcinva

      Aw, man, I was telling my fiance’ I wished we’d had time to take her on a tour while we were up there today. But, alas, with the 3 hour drive, we just couldn’t fit it in. Glad to see you took her out to see the sights.

    • aquaclara

      Love this.

    • Juicer77

      Nice!!

    • Ella Raitch

      Nice mani!

  • salin

    I owe a small debt to today’s trolls.

    Years ago I found a Norwegian website that had many troll-y items. On the page for a recipe for “Troll Cream” a little helium induced voice said “Yea! Troll Cream!” I went looking for it. Found it, but the voice is no longer on the page. But, the recipe looked like something my mother would like (her family is still in Norway) as she loves Lingenberries.

    So, thank you trolls – tonight’s dessert was indirectly inspired by you.

    http://www.trollshop.net/trolls/trollcream.htm

    • ze moo

      Can it do anything about the smell of cooking Lutefisk?

      • There is one possible solution:

        Debbi Whitehead Leotta Gerecke lutefisk is gross!!…here in fargo they sell tshirts of a woman wearing a gas mask and it says “lutefisk cook”….alton brown tasted it on one of his shows and immediately spit it out and said it was the worst thing he’d ever tasted…no idea why people eat it!!

        August 23, 2012 at 1:44pm · Like

        https://www.facebook.com/smithsonianmagazine/posts/338540269569250

        • Sandy

          Alton is from the South. They eat okra. ’nuff said…

          • Every culture has at least one food another culture finds revolting. In my mother’s side of the family, my grandfather would eat Chinese preserved duck eggs, where the white would be greenish or a kind of black jelly from being fermented in salted mud. No, I’m not making this up. I myself can eat Chinese small dried sales fish as a snack, where I which is weird because except for smoked salmon or anchovies on the occasional pizza, I’m not a big fish eater. If cooked well, I can tolerate it, but I only like cooked shark as a dish.

            My father’s side is from TX, and it wasn’t okra with them so much as putting too much salt in the cooked food. They also had the quaint pre-air conditioning habit of drinking milk with ice in it to keep it cold.
            That my great grandmother lived to the age of 99 on such a diet her entire life and not being an active soul which was a bit uncommon(“She never took a step that she didn’t have to.”) and eating pork almost every day of her life is something short of miraculous. I cannot eschew pork entirely because my wife comes from the Philippines, and pork is one of their basic meal ingredients.

      • Sandy

        My Gramma & my Mom made it every Cmas – and it was HEAVEN. If it smells bad – they are doing it wrong. Trust me…

      • salin

        Dang discus – I thought I responded to you but it went out into the ether (somewhere I have a bizarrely off topic response – how funny).

        Mom hated lutefisk, and while I have heard hilarious tales of how …strong… iti s – I have no idea. And for some reason, when I have visited relatives in Norway it has never been on the menu. I suspect it is a mean prank sent over to “defectors” (aka immigrants) in the big migration (19 century Norwegians to the US that landed in the upper midwest) that was perpetrated by Norwegian families left behind early version of fair game.

        (My appologies for the joke, if you are a fan of lutefisk.)

    • salin

      Follow up – I found it a bit tart, but Mom thanks the trolls, she really enjoyed the troll cream tart. 🙂

  • Juicer77

    TO is being group bullied into eating his veggies. We want him around a while longer !

    • Eclipse-girl

      he had a salad when he was in chicago.
      He ate it before first, too

      Is it broccoli? cauliflower? or green beans? I like the first two but loathe the last

      • gtsix

        He ate the broccoli and carrots. Not the cauliflower.

      • Juicer77

        We both had the swordfish kebab with rice and steamed carrots, cauliflower and broccoli.

    • flyonthewall

      you tell him we can do this the easy way or the hard way!

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      I am pissed I missed this–thought Tony was heading right back on the train! He will just HAVE to come back!

      • Juicer77

        He was kidnapped – er, persuaded – to spend some time with the Bunkeroos. Last minute thing. Would have LOVED for you to be there!

    • ze moo

      French Fries and Onion Rings are veggies!!!

      • Robert Hammond

        and ketchup

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Sunday, 12 July 2015

    Good day Bunkerettes and Bunkeroos,
    Thank you Juicer for the reporting, well done!

    The week’s scores and RedX links: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-121#post-2545467

    Thursday was a Whooa 🙂 day, Friday was a 🙁 day. Saturday is a OK day: Tampa leads Sacramento, Toronto
    bags a fresh one.

    Help keep innocent children away from co$ and whack a few ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… Imagination by Archann enhanced by Sookiesookie for RedX, and flickred by Aeger
    Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16748176442/in/set-72157642802079293

    • Pierrot

      Removals trend

  • Juicer77

    We need another!!

    • Juicer77

      Is that pic sideways or am I?

      • MrsLurksALot

        It’s just you. One more time with feeling: FIFY. F5

        Have I mentioned how bummed I am that I’m not there? 😉

        • Juicer77

          Your book is lovely, though. Pun intended!

      • BraveBloggers

        Yes

    • Eclipse-girl

      Have a great time

    • Robert Hammond

      So are these photos all taken with your tampon cam?

      • Juicer77

        LOL!

  • SP Wogsy

    I remember one instance where I had a KR written on me. At this point, I was in Scientology for some time, but had a very “wog” life so to speak, and I was given a slap on the wrist for going out to dinner and drinks on a Friday night with someone I wasn’t supposed to be around. I had to sign a promissory note that I wouldn’t do it again. Obviously, the promissory note was an attempt to keep my “bad behavior” in check though I was told it would help my case gain – I was in the middle of an auditing cycle at the time. Though, I couldn’t imagine living in an environment my entire life where heavy ethics is part of the norm. I hope the exes who had to deal with the heavy ethics system are breathing a sigh of relief living their own lives now.

    I also have to agree with Jon Atack about this label as an “ex-scientologist”. I really don’t care for it, and it is the main reason why I don’t write about my experience so much on this forum. It simply was an experience I want to eventually forget as time passes and only makes up a fraction of my life. Did I walk from the experience unscathed? Absolutely not, but I can say the same thing for my teenage years as well – lol. I could barely hear the rest of the video. Is it only me or am I going deaf?

    • Rasha

      …dunno.. just can’t see you misbehaving…

      (poorly-hidden gufffaw)

      • SP Wogsy

        I had an Annual Disney Pass that was a priority as well. It made it very difficult to keep a normal course schedule : )

        • MrsLurksALot

          Priorities…..

          • SP Wogsy

            It’s a high crime putting Mickey Mouse ahead of LRH. : )

            • MrsLurksALot

              Ah, but you’re special! Don’t act like you don’t know it. 😉

            • I had a girlfriend who was an illustration major. One of the workplaces to be avoided was the Disney studios. The word was that working for them meant long hours and working on weekends. “If you don’t come in on Saturday, don’t bother with Sunday.”

            • Rasha

              Mouse… Source….. Mouse…..

              ..yeh. Mouse.

            • Robert Hammond

              Mouse.. rat… Mouse…

              yeah, Mouse

            • Rasha

              I’m def not a huge Disney fan, but given the choice…..

            • SP Wogsy

              It is the only place in Southern California where they stash the Ghirardelli Hot Chocolate – no shame.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              That’s my girl! I hit one here in Orlando too often. Them annual passes sure do add up over the years.

            • SP Wogsy

              I only had it for two seasons, because I lived close by then but it was well worth the money.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I’ve kept mine going for 15 years now. It is worth it. Especially here with having all 4 parks.

            • SP Wogsy

              That is some serious $$$$, but it gets you out of the house right? At night, it is absolutely beautiful.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Yeah, nighttime is the right time.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              If I lived close enough to one I’d do the same. Plus the discount is great.

    • salin

      Not just you, audio wasn’t so great.

      Your perspective on self-identity, sounds like a healthy one. And the comparison – very apropos.

    • George Layton

      The next time someone asks if your an ex-scientologist you can reply to them, “Nope I’m an ex-teenager”.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Sounds like you were a public scio? I’m laughing at the wog life you lead. Makes me know now that i was half a wog, as a public. I’m so happy that I was and happy for you being woggy too., Wogsy!

      • SP Wogsy

        I will upload my Disney picture on FB later on today drinking the hot chocolate in my Nostalgia album. My family is Catholic and ninety-percent of them didnt even know I was a scientologist involved until I had left. All this KR crap happened within the last 4 months which is when I was the most involved. It gave me a reality check, and I was gone shortly after.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          Thanks. The last, in the 70’s, I wrote to my relatives and some friends, since I was farther away, except for my mother. Was telling them how I was training to become a minister. Of course we didn’t keep in touch much as I was just too involved and working also. What a farce that turned out to be. Later became part of the family again, but lost years.

          Honestly, I went by or liked the definition of Worthy Oriental Gentleman, that I first leaned. Of course, I was naive!
          We are free now and it’s so nice to think independently and talk easier.

          • SP Wogsy

            I just found an old win that was posted in an org mag. I’m glad I didn’t delete it – posting it now on FB.

  • TonyOrtega

    Juicer has hardly been drinking. Of course, she just demonstrated to everyone at the table how to use a tampon cam, so maybe she imbibed more while I wasn’t looking.

    • Robert Hammond

      What do you mean by “demonstrated?”

    • BraveBloggers

      I bear witness, he’s telling the truth!

      • Juicer77

        You beyotch!!

        • BraveBloggers

          Lmao

        • gtsix

          It’s not a call out if you ask first. The demo was short but very memorable. Moar drinks.

          • Juicer77

            I even asked her if it was ok to call her a beyotch. LOL!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Gives, “Juicer” a new spin on things.

    • flyonthewall

      at the table!? What kind of restaurant is this!?

    • SP Wogsy

      Hey! That is a good skill to have. Could be useful one day?

    • Juicer77

      Lol!

    • Jimmy3

      Technology is moving way too fast for me. I know it’d take months for me to learn to use a tampon before I could even begin to use a tampon cam.

      • Vaquera

        It’s like a tampax cam, only smaller. Does that help?

        • Jimmy3

          I don’t really see the difference. But I’m sure it sees me.

    • nottrue

      I wonder what happens when she drinks. Alittle table dancing would be nice

      • Vaquera

        I witnessed it in NYC. She’s pretty damn fun.

        • Juicer77

          So are you, hon!!

          • Vaquera

            I so want to post our Tony sandwich photo, but I’m a chicken.

            • Juicer77

              Did you ever send it to me? kurtjess77 at gmail dot com 🙂
              PS How was the show?

        • BraveBloggers

          She’s a BLAST

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      10 bucks says that if your waiter/esse saw that, you have the entire restaurant staff”s attention by now.

    • Juicer77

      I just wondered how that could be done *casually* in a board room. I’m a visual learner!

      • burythenuts

        I knew I liked you!!!!

      • Allie

        You party animal!

      • arcinva

        You were there and I didn’t know it? Aw… bummed I didn’t get to meet you! And really jealous you’re hanging out with Tony!

        • Juicer77

          We would have dragged you along to dinner if I had been able to find you.

          • arcinva

            Aww… thanks. 🙂 Sounds like you guys had fun! Thanks for making those bookmarks. I totally nabbed one for myself.

    • PappeKak

      I donno. An everclear enema would work… Why not a vodka soaked tampon cam? LOL

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Those would make a great gift.

    • PerpetualOutflow

      Every day I learn so much from this blog.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Good lord, sounds like you’ll just have to a drawing to demonstrate that!

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Great chat! Here are a few snaps of our Proprietor, Ms. Cooper, and her wonderful hubs

    • Vaquera

      Did they run out of Miss Lovely books?

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        I don’t know

      • BraveBloggers

        Yes, they did. And the line for autographs was so long, Tony and lovely Paulette took time to speak and pose with all, that towards the last several of us in line, we had to wrap it up, but Paulette insisted all get their pictures. And Tony was so very nice and entertaining. Great evening.

        • arcinva

          Tony just has the kindest eyes. That may sound strange but I’d noticed in in pics and video before and it’s certainly true in real life. And Paulette was just… well… lovely. She spoke to us for a minute before we got started about some talks she’s been doing on her own in Florida. One ended up being at a what turned out to be a nursing home. She said no one laughed at her first couple of jokes so she quickly realized she’d have to cut them out. One that she didn’t get to was, roughly this:

          Back then, in New York, you were expected to sleep with a man on the third date. So I went on two dates with every man in New York.

      • gtsix

        Paulette was so lovely, we were running out of time, so they asked us to not converse, so instead of talking, Paulette and I sang our conversation. Never will forget that moment. Such awesomeness.

    • aegerprimo

      FIFY (refresh).

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        thanks!

  • Mockingbird

    I should add that regarding the lack of boundaries there are several other issues . The fun filled activity of bullbaiting eradicates them as people insult , then say the most vile things they can imagine to each other in turn .

    Nibs has stated he came up with TRs to control people . By getting used to no privacy , no areas of your life being off limits you come to expect the same from others . Hubbard required this in many ways. Including his two rules for happy living . Being willing to experience ANYTHING in truth means being open to abuse and unwilling to stand up for your rights . And as you are used to having no boundaries for yourself it is easier time to disregard them for others . Also the dual spectres of the meter and knowledge reports hang over you . Many Scientologists believe a skilled auditor can find any secret , any memory and any thought so they feel completely exposed to inerrogation. That the meter cannot do this is irrelevant . The victim’s own mind is the tool .

    The KR adds a constant sense of being vulnerable to surveillance by every citizen Scientologist. No relationship is safe or private . Even Orwell didn’t foresee the loss of private thoughts and emotions . When they come out many exes grossly underestimate the changes Scientology made to them .

    • ObsessedReader

      That sounds like a terrifying and horrific way to live. I’m sorry you had to experience that and I’m so glad you are out! Thank you for all you are doing to help others now.

      • Mockingbird

        Thank you . To understand Scientology you might watch 1984 and imagine having no privacy of thought or emotion permitted . For absolute control and conformity to authority .

      • daisy

        Ditto

    • SP Wogsy

      Now “I know why the Mockingbird sings” : )

      • Mockingbird

        Thanks , after twenty five years I have several reasons to expose Scientology . The strongest and most persistent is that it would be a betrayal of conscience to not speak out .

        • Robert Hammond

          Thanks for shining your light into the dark places.

      • Robert Hammond

        same reason as the caged bird. ;^]

  • Vaquera

    Juicer-Tony-Vaquera NYC sandwich. Blur tech employed.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’m surprised TO still has his left arm.

      • burythenuts

        Haha……..you are terrible!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Who? Me? (Refresh)

          • stillgrace2

            Hey, that’s Danger Cat as a kitten! How cute.

      • Vaquera

        He doesn’t.

    • Terrific photo!! Too bad you couldn’t visit along with Juicer in DC. It would have been wonderful to see you again 🙂

      • Vaquera

        When I saw your comment this morning saying that you were going to be there I stomped around the room for a good 5 minutes. It was exhausting.

        • Wow!! I bet it was!! Well… I’m sure shall meet again in the future! Especially if this ‘geographically create conferences so that critics can get together more often idea’ becomes a reality. I do get to NY once in a while and would make the trip to the NY area for something like that! ((HUGGS))

          • Vaquera

            xovaq

      • arcinva

        Hey, Mary. Sorry I didn’t seek you out today in D.C. I’m on the introverted side and I lost my nerve to just go out and be like, “Hey, you from the bunker?” “Hi, I’m a bunkerite.” LOL

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          We’ll let you slip this time……

          • arcinva

            😛

        • I truly understand your decision! This is only my 3rd venture ever out into the ‘public’ and if I had not been outed last year, as I discussed in Toronto, I might not have embarked on such an adventure like this. It too a lot of perseverance on James Beverley’s part to convince me to speak in Toronto. If the others on the stage had not come, I don’t know that I would have done it. Having their support and encouragement helped!

    • sugarplumfairy

      Tony looks slightly cornered..

    • Juicer77

      🙂

  • PappeKak

    L. Ron Hubbard, the Founder of the Church of Scientology, short-circuited the natural human aversion to snitch response with “auditing” by requiring clams to snitch on themselves.

  • Pretty sure I wrote a KR on myself once. Ethics Officer was like – meh, ok. I was almost dissapointed.

    • flyonthewall

      you were really looking forward to scrubbing that toilet

    • ze moo

      It is good that two of your personalities take care of each other. Nothing worse than split personalities that hate each other……

    • Rasha

      “I am a liar. This is true.”

    • SP Wogsy

      Well someone had to write it.

    • stillgrace2

      Didn’t TC (in his 2008 pre-Anonymous comedy clip) claim that he put ethics in on himself ruthlessly?

      • Observer

        Yep. RUTHLESSLY!

      • sugarplumfairy

        If he were catholic, he’d be a lot like that albino guy in Davinci Code..

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      My son, give me three hail xenu and a hearty hip hip hooray.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I thought you were supposed to do O/W write-ups not KRs on yourself. I’ve known a people who did unprompted O/W write ups.

  • ze moo

    Another 1k comment day!! Everyone have a beer on me……{said the guy so far away from other bunkeroos that the bill will never be paid}

    • flyonthewall

      and recommend is at a nice even 150.

    • EmmaDaoust

      We take all the major credit cards and paypal.

  • noseinabk

    Thanks Juicer for meeting up with me today. It was great to see a few bunkerites and lurkers. Off to run around DC with the kids.

    • flyonthewall

      one of the best fam vaca’s we had was in DC

      • Rasha

        ……You left your best family cow in DC. Seriously, Fly?

        • flyonthewall

          ?? lol, wha? I’m sorry, I don’t get it. Like, fam/farm?

          • Rasha

            Vaca. Cow.

            • flyonthewall

              Oh I never knew that, I always just used it as short for vacation.

            • Rasha

              It is that, too. Just my turn at bat for “failed joke”, I reckon….

            • flyonthewall

              i don’t think so. I put it in google and the first 5-6 results are for cow so it seems like I should of known that

            • Rasha

              However, that is the most AWESOME 3-day DC itinerary. DoublePlus Ch’Yeah for the Korean war memorial. Very moving.

            • flyonthewall

              it was awesome with the fog, minimal artificial lights and night. The younger kids were actually scared! We pulled the whole thing off with military precision and planning but had fun at the same time and the kids really held it together well.

              Afterwards we spent a few days at VA Beach just chilling, no schedules. Very very nice time all around. Oh and we stopped at Monticello on the way home! It was the American history family vacation! 🙂

            • Supper Powers

              A rite of passage.

            • Rasha

              Cool. Message delivered, and chill was had. Have not been to Monticello yet, but then I could spend the rest of my days in museums.(“OMG… Isaac Newton touched that pen?!?!?”)

            • flyonthewall

              Ford’s Theatre has the gun used to shoot Lincoln and the pillow his head was put on! Morbid but awesome

            • Rasha

              I find it all amazing. This close to touching history.

            • Sebastian L. Jackson

              The National Museum of Crime & Punishment have the cars which belonged to Bonnie and Clyde and Ted Bundy.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Can’t all be home runs….

            • Vaquera

              vaycay

      • Always Amazed

        Love museums, my family really needs to go. Being west, we have yet to make it to DC, bucket list for sure

        • flyonthewall

          Seriously should. Such a cool city, all the best museums and they’re all free! All the ones worth going to anyway

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        I hear the Spy Museum is AWESOME.

        • Eclipse-girl

          been there.
          It is awesome

      • gtsix

        If you went to that french restaurant on Pennsylvania ave, it closed 10 years ago. But that’s a good list of things to see here. I’d add the newseum and the portrait gallery to the list, great things to see in both.

        • flyonthewall

          No, it was the one in DuPont Circle, Bistrot du Coin, was ok. I hope to go back one day, so much we didn’t see. But you can only do so much with little ones until they get burned out and it’s no fun for anyone

    • It was so wonderful meeting you and Juicer77 today!! Hope you and the kids had a fun rest of the day in DC!

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Darn–I missed meeting you too! We all need to do a happy hour!

        • Juicer77

          Where were you? I missed you, too. We definitely need to do a get-together for us MidAtlantic folks.

      • Juicer77

        Great to meet you, too! Thanks again for all the hard work you do!

        If there are folks at the bunker who haven’t visited this site, they have TONS of info on Narconon. Truly valuable site. http://www.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/

        • Thanks for spreading the news! We also have an independent informational website. called Narconon Reviews, for everyone with an interest in or experience with Narconon. Included how information on the program, loads of documents, complaints and resources, including good stuff on how to research and find an appropriate program… much more http://narcononreviews.net.

      • gtsix

        Indeed, lovely to meet you. Thanks for all you do.

  • flyonthewall

    BK Big King Sandwich – Blatant rip off or nice alternative? Go

    • Rasha

      Let’s see… 2 all-beef patties…”special” sauce….. lettuce… cheese…. pickl–
      …heeeyyy…. hold on a sec….

      • flyonthewall

        I tried it on a lark. worst.sandwich.ever. I’m pissed

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          That’s why you did not like it…..the recipe does not call for it to be eaten ON a lark.

          • flyonthewall

            on a shark?

            • Rasha

              Sam I Am would like to have a word with you…..

      • Todd Tomorrow

        check,,

  • Mockingbird

    Oh , and all of Hubbard’s BS about needing to “as-is”everything by revealing time , place , form and event and reveal it completely is part of the scam . He wants endless confession from his victims . He knew having people broken down by excessive confession makes them feel confused about their values and identity and vulnerable to manipulation. His specialty.

    He made long fallacy filled pseudoscience arguments to convince people to confess through OW writeups . I did thousands . He pretended to offer serenity and salvation but through mountains of lies he gave condemnation and humiliation .

    One of his strategies was to have a goal or overall result in mind and to attack it with several methods , each with lies to make slavery appear to be freedom , traumatic subjugation to be seen as spiritual salvation .

    • SP Wogsy

      ^^^^

      Yeah…what he said.

    • Snake Plissken

      And in the end … he ended curled up in a fetal position, hiding from the imaginary enemies he created, in a Bluebird mobile home out in the desert. The final destination on his ‘Bridge to total Freedom’.

      • Mockingbird

        Well, I wouldn’t say he found a perfect technology. Not to be too hypercritical.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I don’t know somehow I’m reminded of this article called No crime too small in Japan. http://articles.latimes.com/2007/mar/28/world/fg-bike28

  • Here’s the Sunday Times article…. I hope you cal read it all – I checked on my iMac screen and could do so myself but you might have problems on phones… had to reduce each file size as Disqus limits each pic to 2mb

    • Snake Plissken

      Tom Cruise used to be known as an actor who happen to belong to a batshit crazy cult, now he’s known as a member of a batshit crazy cult that happens to be an actor.

      • studentsfirst

        Yes, Tom Cruise is synonymous with “that crazy cult, Scientology” to the average person. That was the words used by several people chatting in the check-out line at the grocery store the other day, referring to the “Star” tabloid displayed at the check-out. One guy commented on Cruise being “one of the leaders”. Listening to this “average shopper” banter indicates that his credibility/ reputation is not doing well.

        • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

          I’ve heard the leader comment as well many times. If and when someone asks me I tell them the truth.

    • even though I posted the pics in order they seem to have rearranged themselves through Disqus…. here’s what the order of the main story looks like in order

      pic

      • aegerprimo

        “…two hyper-focused, often humorless, all-conquering Napoleons of Hollywood, were made for each other…”

        I had to step away from the computer and laugh at that sentence for a bit.

        • A bird in the chimney

          I have to think both have “confused and empty” minds, too.

        • madame duran

          That sentence made me think the article writer wrote that bit after looking at the photo of Cruise and Miscavige on their Ducati motorbikes, posing tough and trying to look cool.

        • Robert Hammond

          That was about the best line in the article. ;^D

    • TonyOrtega

      Thanks for posting that. Sad to see so many mistakes based purely on ignoring the Bunker (Miscavige 5′ 5″? Please). And of course we knew what a shill Amy Nicholson was. But the one good thing were the insights of the professor who said that fans won’t put up with fakery anymore. He’s right.

      • I recently saw Amy Nicholson on Sky News pretending to some expert or something…. she is now on my No 1 shit-list of Cruise frottagers … I can’t wait for her MI5 write up at the LA Times or Weekly whichever one she’s on!

      • Sebastian L. Jackson

        There’s a place I want you mark on the map, Tom. It’s called Jennymccarthyville.

      • TonyOrtega

        The saddest thing was yet another writer citing the Mimi Rogers Playboy quote after we debunked it. Also, Hubbard did not invent the e-meter, and no one, anywhere, has ever claimed that Hubbard, who died on January 24, 1986, met Cruise, who was introduced to Scientology by Rogers later that year.

        • Sebastian L. Jackson

          Which celebrities did he get to meet? Did Travolta miss his chance?

        • Robert Hammond

          Wow, Tony. Looks like we may need you to write a whole blog article debunking this Sunday Times article. That might be a good idea… as long as you ALSO give details on the Washington D.C. event. and any other breaking news that occurs between now and 7 am. ;^]

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            If you can get a big screen it’s good to read. I read it with a public eye view, and it was eye opening and mostly bad for TC.
            Looking forward to what Tony has to say bout the facts.

            • Robert Hammond

              Yes. I did just read it. As you say, from a public eye-view I think most people will get some good insights from the article and have a more skeptical view of TC. I know that Tony picked up on some factual errors. It will be interesting to see how the PR tours for MI 5 play out and how the movie does at the box office. Although I admit to having seen all of the earlier Mission Impossible movies, I do not plan to see this one.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Nice. Error like short arse’s height. I believe I saw at least one of his MI movies, but log ago and purposefully won’t give any money toward him now either.

    • A bird in the chimney

      Thanks, ML!

      The ending thought of the whole article — that he’s not doing interesting small movies, but rather opting for summer big-budget movies because he: “seems to need to prove the world still loves him.”

      That’s quietly profound. And another facet of what keeps him hooked on $ci. The Big Being treatment, the validation from all sides, and the turmoil of having so much insecurity to require that much validation.

    • Robert Hammond

      Thanks ML. Appreciate your taking the time to scan all those pages. The online version requires a subscription to read the whole thing. What do you think are the most noteworthy quotes or biggest reveals here?

      Looking forward to Tony’s critique and debunk of the article.

      • not really in a fit state right now to offer considered criticism

        • Robert Hammond

          No worries. Thanks again for posting. Hope you get issues resolved with your blog site soon.

        • stillgrace2

          I hope you’re OK, ML! Thanks for scanning from me, too.

    • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

      Wow, what a read, packed full of lovely true desserts. So comprehensive and complete all in one article, I was floored. I liked it said, all Hollywood big wigs who matter, will have seen the HBO doc. I was able to read the whole thing on iMac screen with little enlargement, thanks.

    • madame duran

      So the box office benchmark for M:I 5 is set for $197-$210 million opening weekend in the U.S.
      July 31st is the film’s official release date in America (July 30th in the U.K.)

      I, for one, am sure as H-E-DOUBLEHOCKEYSTICKS not going to contribute anything towards reaching that goal.

      I still remember what you did, Tom.
      I watched “Going Clear”.
      I heard, saw and read how you and your cult organization treat females: Brooke, Nicole, Nazanin, Katie, Suri, Spanky, Sara, Lori, Claire, Laura, Monique…
      I see how you’ve bonded with that psychopath, David Miscavige, and called him your “friend”.
      I haven’t forgotten.

      Ladies, it’s time to show Hollywood that there’s a price to pay for underestimating women and insulting our intelligence.

      Gloves Off. Game Over.

  • flyonthewall

    Tyson’s new turkey flavored gum – fad or flop? Go

    • Rasha

      You left out “abomination”… Just sayin’.

    • aegerprimo

      Gag.

  • Snake Plissken

    I was thinking about that troll that keeps stopping by, where does Numbnuts Allender live? He seems like the only one stupid enough to think that kind of trolling would actually be effective. I remember seeing an Anon protest video where he actually thought he could get them to leave sooner by ordering them to stay longer.

    • TonyOrtega

      Ooh. Good guess.

    • OTVIII is Great!

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        Well there’s a fine advertisement for the cos:

        Throw more than 300K into a “church’s” spiritual courses yet still can’t distinguish yourself from a basement-dwelling teenage troll.

        OooOOooOoo!

    • Robert Hammond

      Do you think it’s someone from OSA or an “indy”? Either way, they obvious are not very bright. And definitely low on the “tone scale” with all the “hiding.”

      And why are they so afraid of Jon Atack? Is it because he does such a good job revealing Hubbard as a fraud using his own words? Or are they just afraid to admit how much brainwashing they’ve been subjected to themselves?

      • Eclipse-girl

        I think it is someone from OSA

      • Snake Plissken

        I don’t think Indies care, in fact Tony’s reporting only brings them more business, they kind of hang around the apple tree and try to pick up the apples on the ground that he shakes off

      • Mockingbird

        I have the opinion that indies loathe Jon Atack because he can completely dispel the illusion of good character in Hubbard and any claim of benefit from his methods . I have heard Jon may have gotten hundreds of people free by one on one meetings and thousands more through his writings . For Indies having thousands of people walk away and say they are saner and happier without Scientology is a huge thorn in the side of independent Scientology. Not to mention it costs them a small fortune in lost income . Some folks hold a grudge over that sort of thing .

        • Robert Hammond

          Good point. It seems like he would have the same effect on Scientology as well as indies for that matter. How many people may have left Scientology because of Jon Atack and how much potential revenue is he costing them?

          This raises the question of which group is now bigger – the indies or Scientology itself? I know there are more ex-Scientologists than dues-paying members, but ho many of them are still believe in the tech and practice independently? Both groups stand to lose as people become aware of Hubbard’s mind-control madness and the fallacies of the “tech.” Who stands to lose more?

          • Mockingbird

            I have gotten conflicting unconfirmed info on this . Some exes have told me the indie 500 couldn’t even get a few hundred members worldwide while a rare , very rare lone person might say there are more indies than folks in the main cult. It is important as what happens with them may guide the future of Scientology.

            • Robert Hammond

              While there are definitely many more exes than “still-ins,” it doesn’t sound like that many exes stay indy for long. My guess is that Scientology, as a business enterprise, has more to lose from people reading and listening to Jon Atack than the few scattered Freezoners.

              Hence, it would appear that OSA is more likely to be the main culprit behind the recent trolling drive-bys against Jon. But that’s just my guess and speculation, based on limited information.

              Who knows really? It just seems strange to see someone go to all the trouble of opening up a new Disqus account just to make a couple of off the wall illogical accusations about someone that most people in the world have never heard of. Anyway, I’m not losing any sleep over it. I enjoy interacting with anyone who has a sincere desire for communication with the aim of seeking truth.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I think there more than one. AtCOS and some other one. AtCOS doesn’t delete his comments while the other one or ones do.

      • Snake Plissken

        The feeble attempt at reverse psychology has Allender written all over it, he really is dumber than a bag of rocks

        • MostEthicalPimp

          You could be right but AtCOS usually just attacks and then in gauges a little.

          • salin

            AtCOS is still a bit of an enigma to me. Sometimes strikes me as satire (just goes over the top into extreme self-mocking rhetoric), but stays in character so well that what seems caricature may just be extremism fitting extreme stereotype. Still shrugging my shoulders and scratching my head.

            • arcinva

              Poe’s Law

      • flyonthewall

        Whoever they are must love that we are spending time talking about them. Why bother? So they show up , spew some drivel and disappear? I mean if they were doxing or harassing people it would be different but I don’t get the big fuss over the occasional ignorant, stale comment

        • Snake Plissken

          If it’s a generic troll, then yeah they’re looking for attention, but if it’s a Scientologist then they aren’t looking for attention, they believe their mastery of ‘The Tech’ and their ‘OT Powers’ will get us to stop posting.

          • flyonthewall

            do they actually think they’ll get someone to stop posting or is it just an urge to “strike back”?

            • Snake Plissken

              They actually think they’ll get someone to stop posting, just as Allender thought he would get the Anons to stop protesting be telling them to stay longer. they don’t understand that their silly ‘Tech’ only works on people foolish enough to get all fucked up on Scientology.

            • aegerprimo

              Even then it does not work.

            • Snake Plissken

              Sometimes it does, how else could you convince someone to go to the RPF

            • flyonthewall

              mmm, i c

            • Robert Hammond

              They actually encourage me to post more. I may be just lurking or casually glancing through the posts and then I see something so off the wall it makes me want to ask a question or send over some OT 3 material. So if getting people to stop posting is the “intention” then those OT powers are definitely not working.

              I do miss “elle” though. Has she been on this board lately?

          • PerpetualOutflow

            Or they’re trying to “strike and effective blow” against a CO$ enemy so they can move on up out of those lower conditions.

          • Mockingbird

            They sometimes project without reason or I should say without good reason . They can attack to focus dissonance from their subconscious externally onto acceptable targets . It mirrors Hubbard’s fractured mind . Their is an idea that sociopaths get stuck in some instances . Narcissists and malignant narcissists in particular are seen in some models as having immense internal conflict they hide from constantly. They try to escape their tremendous insecurity by projecting onto others but this pattern results in gradual relentless deterioration of compassion like an erosion of the soul.

            The cult member often mirrors Hubbard’s mind . As they go further into Scientology they can more and more attain his mental deficiencies including tremendous confusion buried as double think with corresponding emotional trauma. The trauma may be relatively proportionate to the degree of buried emotional dissonance.

            In theory the viciousness of the attacks from cult members is fueled by their own unresolved internal emotions . Try to remember that when Kirstie Alley or Jenna Elfman lash out . Or an independent Scientologist viciously insults a polite critic .

            • Snake Plissken

              Every now and then you catch a glimpse of a Scientologist acting like a Scientologist who believes he or she is within the safe confines of their role-playing game. Their ‘WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES’ shtick was my favorite. A Scientologist who was properly conditioned would instantly fold after hearing that and begin to look for what crimes they committed to cause the current situation, everyone else would be wondering what drugs the lunatic yelling ‘WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES’ is on.

            • Mockingbird

              It is sad when you know they are pawns in Hubbard’s insane game . The more certainty they attain the more denial and accompanying projection they must pile on . Perhaps many overly righteous folks embody this .

        • MostEthicalPimp

          Come on when atCo(u)s(e) goes on a whole track psych rant it’s pretty funny.

          • flyonthewall

            sure, who doesn’t enjoy a good rant

      • Robert Hammond

        Do they have to go through sec checks every time they visit the Bunker to make sure they didn’t read or think too much?

        • PerpetualOutflow

          I’ve wondered this, too. They’re so paranoid that people will blow, I would think they would be particularly watchful of those they task with monitoring and/or trolling the UGB and sec check the heck out of them.

        • Mockingbird

          They could be OSA or indies or freezoners. Lots of species of troll.

    • anoni81b4u

      But he looks like such a nice normal guy 🙂

      • MostEthicalPimp

        And I’m sure he might be if he wasn’t stuck in his cult identity.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          Probably not though…

      • stillgrace2

        He’s a vicious prick!

        • anonsparrow

          Dangerous prick too. Who puts a camera on their head to do shit like that?

          How do you even stabilize a camera like that on your head?

          Clearly he thought that through.. lol.

          • stillgrace2

            Do you remember Mark Bunker up on the roof filming the Portland org “opening”? Allender bullied and threatened WBM with bodily harm. I’ll never forget the fear I heard in WBM’s voice when he was telling Allender to back off.

            And his squirrel buster days. “I told you my name, Marty. I told you my name, Marty. I told you my name, Marty.” No, you didn’t, you stupid, vicious prick.

            I’ll never forget the time he accosted protesters in front of the “Los Gatos” org (the org located in San Jose, at least 15 miles from tony Los Gatos, CA.) Pretentious sciloons and a vicious prick!

    • Are_sics

      John Allender? The OTVIII?

      • Snake Plissken

        yep, the dumb and only

    • anoni81b4u

      I found a better picture 🙂

    • MostEthicalPimp

      I didn’t save any of the comment from the delete our comment trolls but Here are atCOSs “classics” If you missed them:
      In Reply to a comment about talking about how messed up LRH family were and how didn’t help them only drove them more crazy:
      “All Whole track Psych implantees sent to destroy the greatest man who’s ever lived. He created more good and case gain then anyone. He was a true humanitarian and blessed everyone in his life. L. Ron tried very hard to cure Nibs of his whole track implants and he would have been successive had man kind had to technology to manufacture a meter as LRH had intended the mark ultra viii which was made according to L. Ron’s exact specifications.”

      –That was pretty good.

      “I see the Whole track Psychs are at it Again! Trying to ripe apart the only men and organization that even attempts to help people. GOOD LUCK! Ever see a Scientologist with a smoking problem or asthma? Of course not. Unless they’re whole track psych operatives taking telepathic commands from high up on mount pyrenees. Being relied from the back side of the moon which is just a rely station for the 6th invader force! Observe, how Tony discredits the “Phoenix Lights,” because he doesn’t want people to know the TRUTH! That Whole Track Psychs are running everything. Why do many UFO believers have or develop histories of mental illness. Because the Whole Track Psychs need to discredit them and key in their whole track implants. Luckily David Miscavige through using a hidden Ultra Mark VIII inside the case of Super Mark VII at flag and int has been able to spot and Identify 95% of all Whole Track Psychs operating in Scientology to sabotage it from within. This conference is the death shrill of the anti-Scientology movement. Greta Von Sustrian working closely with GOP presidential candidates combined with the Clintons on DNC side are guarantee a BRIGHT FUTURE for Scientology and thus all of Humanity. Soon being an SP will be illegal!!! Illegal, I tells you. That’s why Jon Atack plans to go into hiding he see the light and like the cockroach he is. He’s scurrying under the nearest refrigerator. 64x won’t even be an order of magnitude in the review mirror of our Massive Expansion which we are on precipice of.”

      — Simply nuts. This one makes me believe that he is a Troll but because he points out something everyone knows is false. We’ve all seen far too many Scientologists who smoke and DM has Asthma. So he is basically saying that DM and most Scientologist are sent to destroy the organisation. I find comparing Jon Atack to cockroach funny because it is the Clams scatter when Jon Atack turns on the lights! Over all a bit too crude but still funny.

      “What Brian needs to do is to take responsibility for his actions. When I looked at Brian’s webpage it becomes clear to me that he was probably confusing other practices. It’s very clear that his overts and crimes committed in those other practices caused him to believe that all spirituality is evil. And thus he committed crimes in Scientology in-order to prove that all religions were criminal in-order to lessen this own overts with religion. Now he wants his daughter to commit crimes against her religion in-order to corrupt her, further the overt and prove that religion equals criminality. What Brian needs to do is write up his crimes and then go to flag and get fully Sec-Checked in-order to start winning and seeing his daughter again. Also, he needs to redo the student hat because I don’t think understood Scientology conceptually because he was confusing it with other practices this also drove him further criminal. Brian also need not donate money. He could sell a few hundred Dianetics books or get a bunch of new members in. But the very first thing Brian needs to do is to stop criticizing Scientology. Like, I used to say to my kids when they’d CI me. “You’re Crimes are showing.”

      — WTF, But it is Scientologist type thinking. Everything good comes from LRH and you have to acknowledge him or you’re a criminal. Also “You’re Crimes are showing” is kind of funny as long as it not true which given the other two comments seams right. AtCOS reply to other commenters and he starts to make more sense and calm down. If he is a Scientologist maybe he got into a cognitive dissidence state and blew rather than resolve conflict. Or he just got bored since I think he’s a troll.

      • stillgrace2

        “Ever see a Scientologist with a smoking problem or asthma?” Uh .. really? REALLY?
        That must be a trick question.

        • burythenuts

          I just snorted….and it was actually unintentional.

        • Robert Hammond

          Maybe he really meant ever see a Scientologist WITHOUT a smoking problem or asthma.

          • stillgrace2

            Maybe. Or maybe no one told him LRH smoked like a chimney and insisted smoking prevents cancer. Maybe no one told him shortarse depends on his inhaler to survive.

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Great comments he made to screw with your mind. Sort of like bull-baiting.

        • kemist

          I don’t know. That stuff doesn’t impress me or make me confused or any of those things.

          It just sounds pitifully insane. The sort of thing you hear that makes you involuntarily snort and wince at the same time when you know it’s not just trolling. Like when you see an old homeless man / woman muttering crazy nonsense, stinking of piss and garbage.

      • kemist

        Well, the grammar is consistently awful.

      • grundoon

        atCOS: funny parody troll! and you all bit. VWD!

  • nottrue

    We must save planet..Rid the world of Wogs and marry TC…

    • flyonthewall

      what is this and can I order one?

      • anonsparrow

        Me too please.

        • flyonthewall

          you want to *snort* go in on one with me? *snicker*

          • anonsparrow

            I want to deprogram them all one at a time or two at a time.

            • flyonthewall

              oh you can also show them how to deprogram eachother

            • anonsparrow

              yes. that would be more.. efficient

    • Robert Hammond

      Is this image from Divergent or Children of the Corn?

      • anonsparrow

        It’s not from Children of the Corn. I’ve seen that movie.

        It’s very Amish-ish.

        • Robert Hammond

          Stepford Wives, maybe?

          • anonsparrow

            Getting closer.. lol.

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              A mid-80s Robert Plant video?

            • Robert Hammond

              Andrea, are you thinking Robert Palmer or Led Zeppelin? (refresh)
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrGw_cOgwa8

            • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

              Hehe, Palmer!

            • Observer

              Robert Palmer, I think

            • Robert Hammond

              that’s what i was saying. see below.

        • Were you in DC today?

          • anonsparrow

            No. 🙁

            I’m waiting for RadioPaul reports but haven’t heard anything yet.

            I live in NY now.

            • Roger that.

            • flyonthewall

              NEW YORK CITY!? *hillbilly accent*

            • anonsparrow

              Quit stalking me bitch. 😉

            • flyonthewall

              oh no you di’nt!

            • anonsparrow

              LOL.. you know I love ya.. lol

            • Rasha

              (shouting together with the rest of the diner)

            • villagedianne

              NEW YORK CITY. We make excellent salsa here.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yeah, to New York tastes.
              There are so many different styles and flavors of salsa, that claim could be made just about anywhere outside of Taco Bell or Del Taco.

            • villagedianne

              NY as in NYC? If so, Welcome to the Big Apple anonsparrow.

        • The World’s End?

          • anonsparrow

            Not sure what you’re referring to Dodo but you’re scaring me.. 🙂

            I have the occasional interaction with Amish folk here in upstate NY. I appreciate their way of life but they don’t communicate much. Probably smart on their part.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              I’ve visited over the years with relatives in upstate NY and know what you mean.

            • anonsparrow

              Most of them speak some sort of Dutch-German variation. That’s the problem.

              I would love to just sit down and talk with some of them and learn what they think.

              I secretly admire them.

            • burythenuts

              I secretly admire any man who can button up all those buttons when he really has to piss.

            • Rasha

              *Guffaw*

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              My relatives aren’t Amish, but any man, and i remember seeing those buttons, have to open them to piss. Laugh of the day Bury! 🙂

            • anonsparrow

              LOL.. that is funny bury.. lol

            • burythenuts

              I know they are pacifists……but…I always found those buttons to be anger inducing.
              Maybe it is just me…………….;-/

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              I actually remember me wearing pants with buttons and yes they were a pain in the piss.

            • burythenuts

              Yeah but Ma, we also used to wear “dittos”…Um..On purpose….just sayin…

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Lost me darlin’, must be late!

            • burythenuts

              Refresh!!! You will remember.

            • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

              Refreshed. New to me. I was lucky to have old baggy jeans when young. Now yes, maybe in the 70’s? tho I didn’t wear any tight stuff like this till now, boy sure missed a lot or just don’t remember much, heh!

            • coonellie

              They’ve made a comeback as has everything 70s. Have you seen the popular style of eyeglasses these days? They’re the nerd glasses of the 50s. When Baby C comes back raving about a “new” designer (Dittos) and wants nerd glasses I tell her we’re not related!

            • Suzanna Nielsen

              Lol…I have the serious nerd glasses!

            • stillgrace2

              I have equestrian riding pants just like those, with the inside sections made of leather.

            • anoni81b4u

              How come I never get behind this girl at Wall Mart ?

            • Missionary Kid

              Because she doesn’t shop there.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              They make those wonderful fireplace inserts. Keeps my cabin toasty when I’m on the lamb!

            • Haha! It’s a great movie that loosely based on scientolgy, imo.

            • villagedianne

              If you feel OK telling, are you near Pennsylvania? I grew up in Sullivan County.

          • anonsparrow

            I started typing and my internet failed me.

            Anyway, that movie looks good and I’ve added it to must see.

            A couple for you in case you haven’t seen them: Tucker and Dale vs. Evil and also Attack the Block.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Tucker and Dale vs. Evil is hilarious!

        • burythenuts

          Yeah, and these look like Prototypes for Cherry 2001.O.

          • stillgrace2

            You nailed it. They do look like the love robots in that 1987 movie “Cherry 2000” with Melanie Griffith.

            • Observer

              I’d managed to forget I’d seen that. :-/

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        It is a TV show called “Humans” on AMC.

        • Thanks.

        • aegerprimo

          Good show, and watching it right now.

        • Robert Hammond

          Looks like a Scientology recruiting video.

    • anonsparrow

      Thank god I took LSD and was never eligible for the SO.

      (Not to say those good looking robots wouldn’t have made it worth it.)

  • Sebastian L. Jackson

    Something just came to my mind: what if next time (if ever) he brings his tour to DC, Tony brings Paulette to the Spy Museum?

    • Sebastian L. Jackson

      Or better yet, what if the Spy Museum arranges an exhibit on the Guardians’ Office and OSA?

      • MostEthicalPimp

        ^^^^ YES.

  • MostEthicalPimp

    So I’ve gotten a bit further into the video. I’ve picked on Mission of FootHills out simply out because of a very personal upset. I realize some of things I did were probably not very helpful. If anyone from Mission Of FootHills is UTR here. I’m sorry. I real need to be less lazy and read
    Combatting Cult Mind Control. And work to be more helpful in the future.

    • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

      That’s a pretty special apology, Bjorn 🙂

    • SP Wogsy

      There were countless times I was given the PR line “But we are recognized by the IRS as a Church.” And it’s true!!!! They have the docs! How could anyone refute that?? The only one that needs to be apologizing right now is the IRS. It is not your fault PIMP – woah that sounds weird.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      This whole thing, Has made me think that I should send them another note. About How me communicating with them must be raising our ARC which is causing them to like me more!

  • Cindy

    This is exciting! Grant Cardone is answering your questions LIVE: http://meerkatapp.co/grantcardone/93dd3253-23ac-4885-91b8-d17b1c351106?utm_source=twitter

    Edited: I think it just ended.

    • burythenuts

      Please,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,someone ask…………Why are you such a DOUCHE BAG!!!!

      • Missionary Kid

        Q. Grant, Why are you such a DOUCHE BAG?
        A. Because $cientology has made me a superior being, enhancing my superior characteristics.
        (Translation: $cientology has taken a douche like me and turned me into a super douche).

        • anonsparrow

          i would love to get that guy live and talk to him

          • Anonsparrow: Grant, have you seen Going Clear documentary?
            Grant: Fuck off of my theta comm lines.

          • Missionary Kid

            How would you even get him to listen?

        • burythenuts

          And I am the Ghost of Milton Katsela’s……………

        • MostEthicalPimp

          As fellow pilot. I have to say that most pilots also display this sort of arrogance as do doctors and other people with a degree of specialized knowledge and authority. I felt that I was also becoming a bit arrogant as a learned to fly. Basicly if you want to be an arrogant ass became a pilot it’s more than OT7 and you get really fly through the air. –Just some random thoughts… Also, I’m not talking about you…

          • burythenuts

            Pilots, Surgeons, Idiot syndrome. Yep, Familiar.
            Muah!

          • anonsparrow

            But most pilots don’t shoot fireworks on their crotch and them throw them off a high-rise.

            But that’s Grant. That’s what he does. If you don’t like, you can suck it.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I’ve seen pilots do some pretty arrogant things so it wouldn’t surprise me.

            • anonsparrow

              As long as they keep it on the ground I guess… 🙂

          • I know the guy who pilots big ass Boeing for a living. Very nice and down to earth dude.

            • ObsessedReader

              Yep, just regular folks. One is sleeping next to me, he does look cute in his uniform but he stll snores. No, I do not make him wear his uniform to bed. 😉

          • Missionary Kid

            That’s OK. No offense taken.

            The really good, experienced pilots don’t have to brag.

            I’ve known a sled pilot (SR-71) who you wouldn’t know was one. He’s the nicest, lowest keyed guy you’d ever meet.

            One journalist, upon meeting him noticed a picture of the plane on the wall, and asked him if he’d worked on the plane. His Answer? “Yeah, kinda.” He wrote the manual for NASA when they took over the last of the ’71s, and was the wing commander for the plane.

            It’s the guys with the middle experience who like to play, “And what ratings do you have?” to humiliate people who can be real arrogant assholes. At your stage of piloting, you’ll meet a lot of them.

            • CherryPitz
            • Missionary Kid

              That’s a young fighter jock talking. Full of piss, vinegar, and the knowledge that he may not make it out alive, and the way they might talk to their family to reassure them. It’s also a movie and an interestingly written book. It also isn’t history.

              The Right Stuff was bullshit, IMO. It was a modern version of “Would you send a kid up in a crate like that?” movie that was made in the1930s and 40s. Thomas Wolfe bought into the modern macho myth that is spawned in barrooms. I enjoyed his book, but it’s fiction, purporting to be factual. He also doesn’t hold a candle to the original Thomas Wolfe.

              If you read Chuck Yeager’s books, he was most proud that he was able to understand the different aircraft systems, so he was able to make sure that he was able to bring planes back or accomplish missions without failures.when others couldn’t. He also was a very exacting pilot, according to others.

              The test pilots who make it out alive are not only lucky, but excellent technicians, who don’t lie to themselves or others. If they do, it’s easier to end up dead. Yeager nearly got canned from the X-1 program for doing a barrel roll in the plane. It wasn’t a part of the test card. (The test flight plan).

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I saw a documentary on SR-71. They had a very strict NO COWBOYS policy for SR-71 pilots. They wanted pilots who were exactly as you described.

            • Missionary Kid

              One of the things that he was proud of was that no Air Force pilot or back seater lost his life flying the plane. The CIA & Lockheed did.

              He’s about TC’s height, but he has none of the arrogance. He doesn’t need it. He IS cool. I knew him for over a year before I even knew he was in the Air Force. Then, I discovered that’s where he retired from, then, that he was a two star, then that he spent almost his entire career flying U-2s and $R-71s. I didn’t find out from him.

              I have the feeling that if he told his men, “Tomorrow, our mission jumps off to hell, do I have any volunteers?” Every man in his unit would follow him.

      • Baby

        Cause he is Hosin ‘ Em

    • anonsparrow

      I got a security warning when i tried to go Cindy. Sup with that?

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        It opened for me OK, no warning. there was some cool guy with lots of hair, but didn’t want to subscribe.

        • anonsparrow

          I just tried again and got through ok. Kicking myself for missing that opportunity.

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            But we were notified a little late and it had just ended. We’ll catch another time, eh?

            • anonsparrow

              Hopefully!

              Hi Mr. Grant, sir. Um, when you thew that fireworks thing off your high-rise balcony, where did it land?

              Um, when the NY Times said your Church paid overseas hackers to break the law, where do you stand?

              Mr. Cardone, oh I’m sorry you’ve left the room now. Punk.

    • Cardone’s – Kardashians of scientology.

      • Rasha

        LOL… and pretty accurate, really….

      • jazzlover

        No no no no no. He’s all about the brand.

        Grant Cardone – The Massengill of Scientology

        • anonsparrow

          He doesn’t always smoke fireworks. But when he does he’s a total douchebag.

      • Snake Plissken

        Now I’m not a religious man, but please Lord don’t let there be a sex tape.

        • jazzlover

          I’ve heard there might be one with Tommy Lee, but that’s water (and vinegar) under the bridge.

          • Snake Plissken

            That’s enough to send anyone to run and hide with L. Ron under the bed in Bluebird Mobile Home.

            • jazzlover

              Or in Queens 🙂

        • anonsparrow

          LOL!

        • Ideal 2D Manual.

          • anonsparrow

            Poor Hubbard did not foresee the internet and all the jokes that would follow about his policies.

          • Snake Plissken

            An L. Ron Hubbard sex tape would probably be enough to lead the human race into extinction

            • Good thing they don’t make VHS anymore.

            • stillgrace2

              Just imagining it for a second grossed me out so thoroughly, I had to lie down and rest for a minute.

            • anonsparrow

              Please be ok stillgrace2 and thanks for doing the dirty work for us.

              I’m now going about my business and not thinking about that.

      • Mary Smith

        side down but oh well

        • Baby

          Oh upside down is perfect. ugh

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            Still ugly, but much better this way, agree!

            • stillgrace2

              I notice no bunkerites have offered to right it! Upside down works for me!

        • Andrew Robertson

          My favourite Grant picture!

          Andrew

          • anonsparrow

            It’s very representative of his upside-down world.

          • kemist

            If he’s a disease, he’s a venereal disease.

            One that itches, stinks and has lots of pus.

          • Mockingbird

            Hopefully reason and sanity are the cure .

            • Missionary Kid

              Neither are in great supply in Co$.

            • Mockingbird

              That is by design .

      • Baby

        Yeah and He’s a Big Boob And a Big Ass..

      • Missionary Kid

        Things said about Elena Cardone & her Nicknames 
        Doucherin 
        Douchess
        Elena acts like the day shift stripper who turned tricks at the airport Marriot under the stage name of “Charity” and finally gave the right lap dance/handy to the right john.
        Elena Crapdome
        Elena No Braina’
        Harpy Cardone
        indouchian 
        Mrs. Asshat 
        Olive Oyl
        Queen of Douchebags
        The Whore of Babble-On
        The Wicked Queen

        Things said about Grant Cardone & his Nicknames 
        47x Shades of Cray: The Grant Cardone Story
        A case of delusional euphoria 
        Always sleazier than you think.
        Chato – Brazilian slang for Completely Annoying
        Don Cardouche
        Douchey the Dwarf
        Fart Cardone
        Grant (“neck thicker than head”) Cardone
        Grant acts like the fading frat boy who was bottom of his pledge class, and barely made the cut because he knew somebody. But he’s the loudest, most obnoxious one at the party, he admits to and prides himself on slipping roofies to freshmen, and commits several counts of date rape. Also his personal anthem is “Blurred Lines” by Robin Thicke
        Grant Cardone is a human bed bug.
        Grant Cardone- Paddling Down the Looping Water-Park Lazy River to Total Freedom in a Gold Plated Douche Canoe.
        Grant Cardone, human streptococcus bacteria 
        Grant Cardone, sitting president of the Grant Cardone fan club and asshattery.
        Grant Cardouche
        Grant CONdone
        Grant is Ted Bundy with slightly more self-control 
        Grant just can’t stop talking about how awesome Grant is 
        He supplies his own stupid.
        indouchian
        King of Douchbags
        level 47 douchecanoe
        Mac Daddy of Asshats 
        middle-aged white dude pretending to string pseudo-coherent sentences together 
        middle-aged white dude trying to be cool. 
        Pimpo Novis
        postulating pustulant 
        spavined brain 
        SquareGrant DouchePants
        The Great Cardonihole 
        Uberdouche
        Ubiquitous douchebag

        Things said about the Cardones 
        Cardones – Kardashians of scientology.
        Double Douche
        Double Douchebags
        douchecanoe
        Grunt & Enema Carjack 
        In answer to the demand to “Find successful scientology tools”  a Bunkaroo answered, “Heh, no thanks. Grant & Elena Cardone are enough for me.” 
        King and Queen of Douchbags
        Los Dos Douches 
        Pimp and Pimpette
        Rant & Enema Carwreck
        Runt & Hyena Cartoonish 
        Sort of a pity, a douche is a useful product, the Cardones, not so much.

      • Mockingbird

        The Cardones support terrorism . The Kardashian family members support consumerism.

        • Missionary Kid

          Both are not prime examples of homo sapiens.

          • Mockingbird

            Homo novis and homo celebrious .

    • Snake Plissken

      For the bettermentness of mankindness, can you explain how Xenu managed to land ten million or so DC8s on a planet with no landing strips 75,000,000 years ago, and how did he manage to facilitate the bodily needs of the billions of comatose aliens on their nine week journey before they got toasted in the volcanoes?

      • anonsparrow

        I would answer that questions but I have pneumonia now.

        Thanks alot.

        • Snake Plissken

          Don’t even joke about it, I read OTIII in the mid-90s and got the flu two years ago. My doctor told me I was lucky I forgot most of it, or it would have turned into a deadly case of pneumonia

          • anonsparrow

            Ok I’m sorry about that. Any kind of sickness is serious and shouldn’t be taken lightly.

            Hope you’re feeling better Snake.

            • Snake Plissken

              Been chewing on niacin ever since, the evil psychs are trying to blame my seven liver transplants on it, but we know better, it’s the body thetans who are causing it.

            • anonsparrow

              I’m not a religious person but I respect your beliefs. I would only say that maybe lay off the niacin. It’s not even a real vitamin. It’s just some sort of dinosaur bone powder thing.

              I mean, anything’s possible but, I don’t know man.

              Just keep being you Snake Plissken. <3<3<3

          • stillgrace2

            You were very lucky; you dodged a bullet on that one. Thank God for forgetfullness-ness.

          • Mockingbird

            I have joined the hundreds of thousands who read OT III materials and not developed pneumonia. Oddly it has not resulted in an epidemic.

        • stillgrace2

          I laughed out loud at that one!

      • Mockingbird

        How did they attain enough planes to move trillions of people to Earth ? And how did terrestrial planets support 178 billion people each ? Why in the millions of hours of past life auditing has no one ever remembered any advanced technology ? Why is that as an OT VIII Grant Cardone has exactly zero OT abilities ?

        • Missionary Kid

          Xenu knows, you don’t. Logic and $cientology rarely meet.

          • Mockingbird

            Damn it .

            • Missionary Kid

              😛

  • salin

    No idea. Mom hated lutefisk, so we never had it (nor the smell), and none of my Norwegian relatives, during out visits, has ever served it. My only suggestion is to avoid the smell is to avoid lutefisk! I do have a killer recipe (very time intensive) for Norwegian (most people call them Swedish) meatballs 🙂

    • salin

      Dang i hate mistakes per disqus. This was in response to a subthread. Total non sequitor here. Arrgh . don’t have an edit option (so I just look sorta crazy)

      • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

        Your own comment should have an edit button just before the reply one.

        • salin

          many thanks. *embarrassed but appreciate the grace of the UB*

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            Pleasure! Like your dogs.

            • salin

              Thanks – my almost 10 wk golden retriever, playing with my siblings 5+ yr great dane. Little and Large interacting without power dynamics, playful coexistence.

            • anonsparrow

              We need to teach you how to post video because that sounds amazing. We thrive on that kind of stuff..

            • salin

              Will be a willing tutee – just don’t ask me to word clear or do the student hat 🙂

          • Baby

            salin.. give it time..You will be more embarrassed about what you say or do here than what you did..hahaha

            It is what makes us a Crazy Bunch.. Welcome and I love your Avi.. dog nut here as many of us are..

            I love the editing button.. I use it every time I post..hahaha

            • salin

              Baby, I so *love* your ‘handling” of the “watchers” at the Clearwater TUML event! If you suggest that in the course of UB interactions that there will be periodic mea culpas like this. I again feel greatly welcomed in this space that both has great concern for others, and that finds humor in foibles. Thank your for your response,

            • Baby

              Well thanks salin.. Bitchiness comes naturally to me..hahahha So glad that you are here.. We need all the fighters we can get. Perfect!

      • anonsparrow

        well you said dang so you’re ok in my book

        • salin

          This confirms it. I am new to the UB. Not new online communities. This communitiy finds earnest and humourous ways to be welcoming, in light of silly mistakes.

          • Dee Findlay-DeElizabethan

            Look at Grant Cardone’s pic upside down (below) and we all like it that way. Hahaha

            • salin

              As an educator – what a great example of poetic irony. The UB is such fun and witty company.

      • stillgrace2

        That’s been happening to me all day. I have to completely refresh to make my comments land where I want them.

        • salin

          Thanks for your comment. This is such a gracious and supportive community.

  • anonsparrow

    “Who’s that kid in the back of the room? Where did he get that crazy smile? Why doesn’t he want tons of friends?”

  • SarahDB

    It’s a good evening here in Bunkerland with another sucessful stop on the TUML book tour, (can’t wait for New England’s turn!) take a few moments to flag these clammy scammy ads!

    Clammy ads on CL: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

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    Don’t forget to click the heart at the top of the comments as well!

  • SarahDB

    Forgot to attach a little nature interlude to the Red X post. Here it is! *Refresh*

    • stillgrace2

      What a gorgeous picture! Thanks. California’s severe drought has affected our wildlife’s habitat. There have been four sightings of a mountain lion in San Francisco! Right in the city. Unheard of. I know no one will believe me so I’m including a link:

      http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Four-Mountain-Lion-Sightings-Reported-in-San-Francisco-and-Presidio-312333141.html

      • salin

        Yikes. I lived in EPalo Alto in the 90s. Durimg a drought in that era mountain lions were in the various foot hills (east bay foothills for example). That they are now sighted in SF is shocking to read as to what a drastic change.

        • stillgrace2

          We see them in my neighborhood nearly every year (I live next to the Los Gatos foothills.) One was treed (and rescued) just over my fence a couple of years ago. These signtings in the city are very unusual. Thank Xenu we have El Nino arriving next year.

          • Not surprising they’re seen near the city named for them.

            • stillgrace2

              Very observant of you!

          • salin

            I want to say it was around 1997 that I first started reading news stories and alerts from the University about Mountain lion encoutners. Not just rare at the time, but shocking. Back then the notion of a sighting/encounter in The City (SF) was unheard of.

            • stillgrace2

              There was one on the Stanford Campus not too long ago!

            • salin

              Less surprised abour that, than I m about SF. The warnings I got in ’97-’98 were from Stanford. Never heard of sighting on campus (if my memory is correct, the sightings were south east bay foolhills. ) Much more distance, and acclimating to urbn environments (and desperation for food in a multi year drought to get into sf.

  • patriotchick

    What a great event in DC. Thank you Tony and Paulette. I had to leave the discussion right at 3 today to pick up my daughter — just as things were getting good. I am personally bummed I didn’t get my book signed,
    but I got my copy. If Miss Lovely and Tony O come anywhere near you, you should DEFINITELY GO!

    I have a couple of thoughts on how Paulette Cooper has dealt with a life that the word “difficult” doesn’t even begin to describe… parents lost at Auschwitz during the Holocaust, orphaned, shipped to a new family at
    such a tender age. That, in an of itself, is enough to prompt an intense case of PTSD — enough to paralyze a person into leading a meek and quiet (or even troubled) life. Instead, she bravely went up against
    Scientology — headlong and headstrong. I think about her as woman in the 1970s doing such cutting-edge reporting. That must’ve been unthinkably challenging. Surviving and thriving in a male-dominated industry (journalism at that time). Then, the topic she decided to tackle. Whoa! Talk about a poking the hornet’s nest. Her ability to live through all of that and talk to our packed group today in DC with wit and humor and (thankfully) love in her her life.

    For a life that started out so so wrong, to have meandered a path that has turned out so so right is a beautiful thing.

    Ms. Cooper is a tremendous inspiration and I personally admire the path she cleared for women in journalism — and for people reporting on Scientology. She is a trailblazer. Amazing lady. Thank you for coming to our neck of the woods here in DC! And thank you Tony for taking the time to respectfully tell her story. Can’t wait to
    get started on the book.

    • salin

      Great review. If this was amazon and I could respond to the question of how helpful did yout find this review I would give it all stars.

    • Illinoisian

      Beautifully said. All true. Enjoy reading. It * is * a * great * read.

    • I really like your avy.

    • Ben Franklin

      She has a strong will and mental toughness, that is why she was able to get past every obstacle life threw at her.

    • patriotchick

      photo grom today’s event…

    • Juicer77

      I’m grumpy that I didn’t get to meet you.

  • late night off-topic qu/Bunker vote…. just finished the last episode of Breaking Bad [Dayum, that’s some amazing series!!] and it’s a toss-up between Sons of Anarchy or Justified next… what should I go for?

    • Mockingbird

      Both great . SOA is ultraviolent. Justified focuses on a smaller number of characters and the stories have arcs across entire seasons .

    • Robert Hammond

      Breaking Bad was one of the best series – ever! Loved Sons of Anarchy, even though based on the premise I didn’t think I would. Watch the first episode and see what you think. It is up there close to Breaking Bad in my opinion. Haven’t seen Justified, so can’t comment.

      You might also like Peaky Blinders.

      • ReallyMGM

        I am re watching Breaking Bad now. Finally at Season 5. My favorite show ever.

        • Robert Hammond

          Wow. I don’t know if I could take re-watching it. It was so intense, especially the suspense of wondering what lie he was going to come up with next or how they were going to keep getting away with it.

          • ReallyMGM

            It is intense. But someone here said, “best opening scene in tv ever,” so I went back and watched it (agreed!), and here I am at Season 5 again. Thanks Bunkerittes!

            • Robert Hammond

              I remember hearing Bryan Cranston talk about reading the pilot script. After reading that opening scene he said something like, “I just knew that I had to play that part. I wanted to lift my leg on the script to make sure nobody else got the part.”

            • stillgrace2

              That’s funny. I remember the “best opening scene in tv ever” remark here in the bunker. Because of that remark, I watched the first five episodes of season one. Going back to watch the rest the first weekend I don’t have to go anywhere or do anything.

            • ReallyMGM

              I must have said Oh S___! at least a dozen times during the opening scene!

    • Baby

      Real Housewives of Beverly Hills..

      • met a couple in real life… that was enough for me

      • Missionary Kid

        I call all those shows, “Unreal, pampered, bitches of ______ who have little or no idea of how the rest of the world operates.”

        The materialism, pettyness, and bitchery that goes on makes me want to puke.

        Most of them have been “nipped, tucked, and lipo-sucked” to the nth degree. They remind me of $cientology, where image and ego is everything.

        They are as real as a Loony Tunes cartoon, IMO. I don’t waste my time on them.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          “Real” housewives? I’ve never seen them change a nappy or take the kids to school and then go to work.

          • Todd Tomorrow
          • Missionary Kid

            They seem to spend their time looking for new ways to spend money.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Or destroy their faces with plastic surgery. I was in an accident and my sister took care of me. I had to sit through, The Real..Of New York. God, what a waste. Thank god for my pain pills!

            • Missionary Kid

              If they showed the program in Guantanamo, the UN would intervene. That’s real curelty.

      • Todd Tomorrow
    • Jimmy3

      Better Call Saul right after Breaking Bad.

      • About the only thing I don’t have is Netflix….

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Oz, if you haven’t seen it or that cop show filed in Baltimore.

      • Jimmy3

        Did you seriously just call The Wire “that cop show filed in Baltimore”??

        I love that

        • Todd Tomorrow

          yes, I did!

      • yeah, Oz was amazing…. definitely deserves a re-run; enjoyed The Wire but not as much as the critics. My favourite series over the past year have both been Swedish/Danish… the original ‘The Bridge’ and the follow up were remarkable…. and they’ve just started the second series of ‘The Legacy’ which I love

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Never had seen Oz before and I loved it!

    • Vaquera

      SoA

  • Illinoisian

    THANKS to all who attended the DC event and posted descriptions, pics, comments, reactions. I got to the Bunker late and read those posts in order, five hours after the start of the event, and felt all the enthusiasm and immediacy. Wonderful of you all to create an info, and image, pipeline for us.

  • Jimmy3

    Don’t worry, it’s coming.
    http://youtu.be/wQYue6eZmlU

    • anoni81b4u

      The dashboard jesus in that video made me think of a question. Where do I get a plastic Xenu for my dashboard?.. jesus is so 2000 years ago .

      • Missionary Kid

        I don’t care if it rains or freezes,
        Long as I got my plastic Jesus,
        Sittin’ on the dashboard of my car.

        Hail Mary, full of grace,
        Help me find a parking place,
        Without you Jesus,
        I can’t get too far.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          That’s too fucking strange I had this ditty running through my head last night. Seriously!

          • Missionary Kid

            The parking place verse was one I made up, but I was driving through Texas and actually heard the song on the radio in about 1968. I’d heard it before, but never on the radio.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I missed that last. “Glows in the dark ’cause it iradescent..” Like your parking prayer addition.

            • Missionary Kid

              Mine almost sounds like it was made for a $cientology win, and I came up with it about 40 years ago.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Have you read the posts about their wins? Parking often times is brought up and usually at, Wallmart.

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s why I included my stanza. It’s the same kind of woo-woo. Anything good gets attributed to Jesus/OT powers. Anything bad, it’s the devil/your fault.

        • Supper Powers

          I like my Chocolate Jesus. http://youtu.be/m5kHx1itU8c

          • Missionary Kid

            Great. Leave it to Tom.

        • Frank Lee

          The only country song done by the Rolling Stones “Far Away Eyes”, begins:

          I was driving home early Sunday morning through Bakersfield
          Listening to gospel music on the colored radio station
          And the preacher said, “You know you always have the Lord by your side”
          And I was so pleased to be informed of this that I ran
          Twenty red lights in his honor
          Thank you Jesus, thank you Lord!

          • Todd Tomorrow

            That whole album is a great road trip album.

          • Missionary Kid

            I hadn’t heard that one. I like it.

    • flyonthewall
      • Observer

        I love this song.

        • flyonthewall

          the 90’s was a good decade for music, i don’t care what anyone says

          • Supper Powers

            The pop BS sucked but we got Uncle Tupelo out of it.

            • flyonthewall

              Well, that’s a given in any time really. I never heard of them but the first youtube result was a concert in STL! That’s funny. Sounds pretty good. Venue is small, might be Mississippi Nights maybe?

            • Supper Powers

              Yepper. Game changers. Have seen them lots of times. They broke off into Son Volt and Wilco. Jay Farrar is in the John Prine, Steve Earle and Iris Dement category of song writers.

            • flyonthewall

              i really need to look more into folk music cuz I really like the Son Volt I just listened to and the Uncle Tupelo was really good too. My bro-in-law would prob know all those guys, he’s a hippie and loves Yonder Mtn String Band and that kind of stuff

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Folk Song by Bomgwater

              I met an anarchist in Tompkins Square Park
              he was an angry man, spinning words so dark
              he called for death to rich men, death to Yuppies, too
              death to art fags, bourgeois blacks, death to landlord Jews!

              Kill the bankers, kill the cops, kill
              him her and me, kill them all for CBS, NBC, ABC, TBN,
              CNN, HBO, “Life At Five”, MTV Spring Break Party
              Weekend, Sally Jesse Raphael, Geraldo, Oprah, Arsenio,
              Regis and Kathy Lee…

              And I said,
              “Hey, I admire your get up and go, your youthful
              brooding and sexually charged enthusiasm and all your
              other utterly naïve and thoroughly endearing
              adolescent qualities and I bet you can keep it up all night, can’t you?
              Oh, I bet you don’t even use a rubber, no you don’t
              even use a rubber… do you?

              Because
              You think you can live forever.
              Or do you have this adorable and misguided notion
              that death is something really radical and cool but I
              still can help being wildly attracted to your
              fresh-faced uncompromised tattoo’d rebel stance and
              goddamn! I’d like to help you sing your tune.”

              But I’ve been making friends with this here death and
              it seems a might too soon.

              And I said,
              “Hello death, goodbye Avenue A
              I’m getting tired of waiting, tired of being afraid.
              Joseph Campbell gave me hope and now I have been saved.

              So I sing, ‘Hello death, goodbye Avenue A.'”

              Now I’m not trying to be flippant here,
              or irreverent, or exploitive, or sarcastic, or
              ironic, or post-modern, and this is not a parody.
              Get it? Got it? Good.

              I’ve been thinking what he told me, that it’s okay to
              cry when we held the crystal Di & Charles spent 12 Grand to buy;
              homeopathic mantras, fresh-squeezed wheat grass juice,
              doctors up in Bellevue, Doctors Salk and Suess.

              And it’s time we’ll all be going home, if you can
              find the way, yes, everyone is going home,
              going home to stay.

              And it’s time we find a way to cope, a way to find
              some hope, for some it’s the Bible or Buddha or
              Mohammed or Krishna or cheesecake or bourbon
              or the Butthole Surfers or Giorgio Armani or Romeo Gigli
              and you really can’t afford it
              but it looks so fabulous on you so why
              don’t you take it on home, and speaking of home, isn’t
              it about time you move out of that East Village
              hellhole, the one with the Honeymooners view of the
              brick wall out the window because you deserve
              something more life affirming like a tree, or a
              flower, or a patch of grass, or a singing little
              bluebird, or maybe you just want to take your
              boyfriend to Europe because he’s never been or quit
              the job you always hated or learn how to play the
              guitar (it’s easy) or get obscenely drunk in a piano
              bar and sing show tunes… show tunes! …and don’t be
              embarrassed, because at this point

              I’d rather see “Brigadoon” than “Henry: Portrait of
              a Serial Killer”, or maybe you’d like to get
              politically active so you disrupt a Presidential press
              conference by shoving a 5 pound week old stalk of
              broccoli between those thin lying lizard lips that
              no one can read anyway because half the country is
              illiterate and the other half is apathetic including
              the First Lady who couldn’t step just 500 feet out
              of the overdecorated White House to visit the goddamn
              Quilt or maybe you’d like to put a bullet into Jesse
              Helms peabrain but you know when you start thinking
              like that, when you start thinking like they do, then
              it’s time to let go of the material world, so
              maybe you’d like to get yourself some religion ’cause,
              “Jesus is the Way, Jesus is the Way, Jesus is the
              Way, Jesus is the Way, Jesus is the Way.”

              …Besides, it’s a lot easier to accept Jesus Christ
              as your personal Lord and Savior when He looks like Willem DaFoe.

              But maybe that stuff turns you off, so you rent
              “Power of Myth”; it made me feel really good (for
              about ten minutes), or maybe you’d just rather do acid and
              listen to Led Zeppelin…

              Then again, the last time I took hallucinogenic drugs
              was about five years ago; I took mushrooms in Joshua
              Tree looking for that Carlos Castaneda kind of
              experience. I got off, my boyfriend didn’t; he fell
              asleep, left me alone with the television, turned it on,
              turned on PBS,
              you know what was on? …”Berlin Alexanderplatz”.
              So I started watching it, and you know what…?
              I got really bummed out.

              And that’s when I said “No to Drugs”, “No to Drugs”,
              no no no no no, hell no to drugs, and maybe you’d want to say
              no to drugs too or maybe you just want to join Atheists of
              America or the Madonna Fan Club or watch Richard Gere
              follow the Dali Lama across the world and then do
              those oh-so-Zen like movies with those oh-so-Zen like
              messages like, “Hey! It’s fun to be a prostitute!” I
              can’t wait to spread my legs across Hollywood Blvd.

              Because then maybe some rich, handsome billionaire
              in a Jag will come driving up and take me shopping on
              Rodeo Drive and that’s what a woman’s all about
              anyway, right? Sucking and shopping and sucking and
              shopping and sucking and shopping (repeat)
              but hey, who am I
              to argue because it’s the feel good movie of the
              summer, it’s the feel good movie of the year, it’s the
              feel good movie of the Nineties, it’s the feel good
              movie of the Millennium, and you know what? If it
              puts a smile on your face and a song in your heart
              and a spring in your step,
              well… whatever makes you happy,
              Whatever makes you happy,
              Whatever makes you happy,
              Whatever makes you happy,
              Whatever makes you happy,
              Whatever makes you happy,
              Whatever makes you happy,
              Whatever makes you happy,
              Whatever makes you happy,
              Whatever gives you hope.

              Even if it’s a truly tasteless joke.

              So…
              Fax a manifesto.
              Pencil in a date.
              Let me know when something gives I hope it’s not too
              late,
              ’cause I’m getting tired of waiting, tired of being afraid.
              Joseph Campbell gave me hope and now I have been
              saved.
              So I sing,
              “Hello death, goodbye Avenue A”
              Hello death, goodbye Avenue A
              Hello death, goodbye Avenue A
              Hello death, goodbye Avenue A…

              source: http://www.lyricsondemand.com/b/bongwaterlyrics/folksonglyrics.html

            • SP Wogsy

              I’m not sure how I feel about these lyrics, but does it make me weird that I’m in the middle of reading Joseph Campbell’s “Power of Myth”? – lol.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              It’s easier to understand with the music. My friend, Ann Magnuson wrote this.

            • SP Wogsy

              I just googled her, but what a beautiful lady. I’ll listen to it another day.

            • Supper Powers

              Let me know if you want a tutorial and I’ll temporarily put up my email.

            • flyonthewall

              i’ll do u one better, fool4aliphetime@gmail.com or fb Franz Kafka

            • Supper Powers

              OK.

          • Jimmy3

            I’ll never let anyone steal the sunshine that was 90’s music.
            https://youtu.be/Bnb5iX9aunc

            • Jimmy3

              90s music was apparently a crappy pay for play cell phone game. I suck at Internet
              If you refresh at some point

              Forget it.

            • flyonthewall

              I saw these guys in concert man! They rocked!

            • flyonthewall

              I was talking about the cell phone game, cell phone game mosh pits were brutal! Never heard of Len

          • Observer

            Apropos of nothing, not even 90s music

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FuWPseegaKw

            • Supper Powers

              He’s a friend of mine. Ha ha!

            • flyonthewall

              Nice! Who says white boys can’t sing the blues? Kinda reminds me of this – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDqADZygseM

            • ReallyMGM

              Check out this out! St Paul and the Broken Bones
              http://youtu.be/7_QLMVEX_Gw

            • flyonthewall

              Wow! Never would of expected that voice coming from him! He’s got that James Brown fancy footwork goin’ on too. Good stuff

            • ReallyMGM

              Blew my mind first time I heard them. A very “Stax” soul sound! Seeing them next weekend, praying for good weather.

            • flyonthewall

              awesome have fun!

            • Supper Powers

              Obs, he sang at my friend’s daughter Christmas recital. He played with his Daddy. I have seen a lot of live concerts and I swear, him singing in an old church as a nod to kids learning music was truly ethereal. It’s a live performance that will stay with me.

  • noseinabk

    Having a debate with my daughter. What is the drug of choice for the people we see nodding off on the streets of DC? Many are homeless yet they are stoned we did see some cash transactions. I am SHOCKED that Scientology hasn’t fixed this town after all these years in DC

    • Todd Tomorrow

      First of all on the west coast we call them”Urban pioneers” and I think it’s heroin. It’s making a big comeback!

    • anoni81b4u

      Sometimes street people sleep on the street. no drugs involved, Just tired and homeless.

      • Ben Franklin

        ….and hungry, not eating a proper meal in days.

      • noseinabk

        We saw the transactions and debating what the cheapest drug would be.

        • flyonthewall

          you can afford the more expensive drugs, don’t be a cheap-ass!

        • Robert Hammond

          heroin is about ten bucks a fix. It goes up from there as the tolerance develops. A habit can go up over a hundred dollars a day, but many addicts stay poor and just shoplift or deal small quantities to keep a daily fix from 10-30 dollars. http://theweek.com/articles/451688/why-heroin-cheap

          • Todd Tomorrow

            What is interesting is how some can lead seemingly normal lives. When crack hit DC, they saw heroin addicted mothers who had taken care of their kids suddenly gone to do anything for crack. Leaving their kids and family completely. Addicts talked about being addicted to crack after their first time. DC, hadn’t known what had hit them. A High School friend’s mom worked for a community out reach group trying to figure out what it was. The heartbreaking stories she’d tell. Cult in a pipe!

            • Robert Hammond

              Yes, I’m quite familiar with both. I’ve seen the devastation. Crack is definitely much worse than heroin because it lasts such a short time and leads to people going back over and over chasing an elusive high. Heroin at least lasts for a few hours and a typical junkie (not that any are really “typical”) can go through the day with just a couple of fixes. Crack addicts hit bottom much more quickly because they need to keep chasing the high all day and night. it’s a tragic scene for sure.

              Interesting side note that Tom Cruise is doing a movie called “Mena” about Barry Seal, the CIA pilot who shipped cocaine into the U.S. through Mena, Arkansas while Clinton was governor. A similar movie, “Kill the Messenger” showed the story of San Jose Mercury reporter Gary Webb who exposed the plot.

    • Jimmy3

      It’s a drug called ‘NUKE’. It’s pushed by a dangerous cult that was modeled after the main antagonist in 1990’s RoboCop 2.

      Stay away from it. But it does make you feel really good. But seriously, stay away from it. Unless you really want to to try it.

      • flyonthewall

        you’re kinda sending mixed messages there Dr. J

    • Robert Hammond

      Heroin. Many people are also using oxycontin, which is a pharmaceutical version of a similar drug – oxycodone.

      • Todd Tomorrow

    • AintMizBahavin

      its possible its methadone or heroin today most people who use heroin also use methadone then there are a number of pills involved oxycodone, elavil, hydrocodone, ambiens, oxycontin, morphine, the list goes on.. am currently fighting with my doctor as i prepare for surgery on my right foot while trying to figure out the extreme pain that wakes me up late at night in only my left hand and she wants to put me on a addictive pain killer and i refuse i’ve been clean from heroin since 1995 and have stayed away from addictive medications since also as extreme as the pain in both foot and hand is. the pain of addiction is more much extreme to me and one i never want to experience ever again

      • Todd Tomorrow

        Hi! Long time no see. Hope you’re doing well!

      • Juicer77

        (so glad you are here again, Aint. I’ve missed you! 🙂 Best of luck with the pain treatment, it can be a challenge if you are trying to avoid addictive substances. I’ve taken pretty hefty doses of Tylenol (short term) to get through the first 48 hours after some procedures. Maybe ask your doctor what dose you can safely take? Also this sounds weird but redirection therapy – my own invention – is when I would use a vibrating pillow (cheap at Target or CVS) on my back when I had really bad abdominal issues. Anything to redirect your body to focus on something else. Good on you for being so proactive and responsible.

    • gtsix

      Heroin or synthetic Marijuana, which is actually more like pcp than pot. Big surge in synthetic mj amongst the homeless.

  • Objectives are amazing, when you don’t have to do them anymore.

    • SP Wogsy

      Amen.

      • Hence, the success stories.

        • SP Wogsy

          The success stories are laughable. My “win” in one of the magazines was my ruin – if that makes any sense. Go figure.

          • What mag and what action? You don’t have to answer, of course..

            • SP Wogsy

              I just posted the pic on FB and I sent you a message. I accidently sent one too many happy faces by the way – lol

            • flyonthewall

              what, we not good enough for you?

            • SP Wogsy

              Not that at all – personal reasons. I wouldn’t mind sharing it with you if you were on FB.

            • flyonthewall

              I am on fb

            • Oh yeah? Well stop avoiding me there!

            • flyonthewall

              i’ll do whatever I wanna be

            • What does it even mean?

            • flyonthewall

              lol, you’re not a Futurama fan I guess? It’s a quote from the main character, Fry

            • I am into Soundgarden, Futurama is too kinky.

            • flyonthewall

              I’m Franz Kafka on fb. With my Guardian Angel lego minifig as my pic. Send me a friend request, I dare you

            • Never.

            • flyonthewall

              wasn’t i friends with you when i was Kuato?

            • I was wondering WTH? Yeah, I think so.

            • flyonthewall

              yeah, your name looked familiar. FB shut me down. I suspect a clam complaint bc it came after a heated thing on some forum that my accnt was linked to

            • Well, it’ good to reunite.

            • SP Wogsy

              What kind of hell name is Kuato?

            • flyonthewall

              mutant rebel leader from the Schwarzenegger movie Total Recall

            • Basically, Leader of Anonymous.

            • flyonthewall

              yeah i’m a mutant leaderfag

            • Doxed.

            • flyonthewall

              doh! I have got to stop doing that

            • flyonthewall

              just refreshed and saw the pic. Yeah, my wife wishes i looked like that, lol

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I thought I told you guys I don’t want OSA seeing my picture up here anymore!

            • SP Wogsy

              That was easy. I just sent you a FB request!!

            • flyonthewall

              i declined it

            • SP Wogsy

              I didn’t like you anyways : )

            • I see it. Thank you.

    • SP Wogsy

      ….and Cal-Mag is great when you no longer have to drink it.

      • Same goes for 5000 mg of Niacin per day.

        • SP Wogsy

          …and lecithin. I can keep riffing, so I’m just going to stop – lol.

  • Juicer77

    Home safe and sound. Tired but happy. A good time was had by all the Bunkeroos present. Thanks everyone for a truly enjoyable event! I will write more tomorrow. Pretty worn out now.

    • SP Wogsy

      Gnite groupie patronius : )

    • Good news. Copy that. Where’s Ortega’s body? Jk.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Ha! We were thinking the same thing.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Did you give back Tony’s right arm? Thx for all the updates.

    • JonHenke

      I enjoyed meeting all of you. Thanks so much for organizing the coffee beforehand and generally making sure everybody was having fun. You’re good people.

      • Juicer77

        Thanks, it was so much fun! You are an original thinker and need to share more ideas here.

      • gtsix

        It was so lovely to speak with you. You are a sneaky one, I owe you a drink or 4. 🙂

        • JonHenke

          I don’t drink, so you’re off the hook, but I would be glad to meet up with you guys again anytime.

          • gtsix

            Coffee is a drink 😉

            • JonHenke

              In that case, I’m a drinker after all!

  • Judith Sylvester

    Sorry if this has already been posted. Showbiz411 has an interesting article on Tom Cruise. He looks so stupid standing at the podium with his hands and fingers positioned like that. Must be the “confront and shatter” pose everyone who has been on the inside talks about.

    • Robert Hammond

      Link?

    • romanesco

      I hadn’t seen it yet. Roger Friedman seems to agree with our proprietor on most aspects of this.

      http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/07/09/mission-impossible-to-distance-tom-cruise-from-scientology-before-blockbuster-opens

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      This related article is interesting:
      “Tom Cruise’s Official Twitter Feed Blocks This Site from Following or Reading Tweets”

      “Who knew? So honored. Flattered, even. In the name of Xenu, I am thrilled to report that @Showbiz411 has been blocked from following or reading Tom Cruise’s official Twitter feed for Mission Impossible 5.
      Viacom shareholders, please take note. It’s your $250 million movie. But I can’t follow it anymore.”
      “http://www.showbiz411.com/2015/07/12/tom-cruises-official-twitter-feed-blocks-this-site-from-following-or-reading-tweets

      • Ella Raitch

        The studio pre-emptively banned Bryan Seymour from interviewing Cruise during the MI publicity tour – they are just hungering for the negative blow-back “the journalist Tom Cruise won’t speak to…”

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          One of the media outlets should hire Tory as a special correspondent. Give her credentials, put her on the red carpet for MI:5 and film what happens when she asks Cruise a question.

          • Todd Tomorrow

            Toss a big bucket of clam juice on the floor in front of him. You could just claim it was accidental since you weren’t aiming at him.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Here’s your chance Todd, how much money and clam juice have you got? LOL
              http://m.thevipconcierge.com/vipevents/556/Mission-Impossible-Rogue-Nation-Movie-Premiere-VIP-Tickets-After-Party

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I actually am sitting ok at the moment. I wonder if they’d screen for Sp’s. Too bad I don’t have a vagina and I could use it for a spy cam(Juicer77). The idea of crashing gets better every second.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Hey, maybe we’ll find out that the reason Travolta never went with the naturally bald look is because this whole time he’s been wearing a series of undercover toupee-cams. LOL

            • Todd Tomorrow

              They really are strange skull cap type things. Looked fine in that gym pic without them. You’d think with his money and 4cion contacts he could have Sea Arghh’s children’s hair weaved into a more natural look. Mathew Maconehey’s looked terrific. He went from really balding to a full head of thick hair.

          • Ella Raitch
            • Intergalactic Walrus

              But she’s so sweet. Maybe his heart would grow three sizes that day. His CO$-damaged brain will probably take a little longer but who knows…

          • ReallyMGM

            OMG YES! Tory would be spectacular, not only with TC but the other celebs. She sparkles!

          • SP Wogsy

            They would be on her like white on rice in about 5 min. It would be extremely entertaining though.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              Are they afraid that someone might ask him why 1.3 billion Chinese “friends” apparently stand a better chance of seeing him than his own 9 year-old daughter does? GAH!

              https://youtu.be/sHda4TwQBgw

            • SP Wogsy

              I hate to use the term deadbeat dad, but that is exactly what he is….so sad.

            • Intergalactic Walrus

              What is even sadder is that unless he kidnaps and threatens to chop up one of his kids or one turns up as the victim of an “apparent suicide”, he’s still a better dad than the “Source” he idolizes. SMH

            • SP Wogsy

              Amen.

      • Judith Sylvester

        That is so funny, I can’t even find a snarky comment to equal it. Suffice it to say, they still don’t understand the internet. Like, maybe, access from a different ISP?

  • While The Bunker is asleep, OSA folks please click on the heart. Thank you.

    • Ben Franklin

      Bunker never sleeps. Always open and active round the clock, just different folks for different shifts

    • Ella Raitch

      Hey – who’s sleeping? 🙂

    • Newiga

      I wish I was sleeping. On my way to work with an acute case of Monday blues.

      • Supper Powers

        Well, Naflificent put this up yesterday to lift spirits. Maybe it will help you.

        http://youtu.be/HuPolWVxzYQ

        • Newiga

          It did! Thank you! xo

          • Supper Powers

            Nat did us all a service by sharing this.

      • Ella Raitch

        I’m half way through – it’s not nearly as bad as you think 🙂

        • Newiga

          Glad to hear that. I just need more coffee and I’m sure thing will brighten up.

      • Are you in Finland?

        • Newiga

          I am. 🙂 Few more days to go before my summer holiday.

          • Have a great time!

            • Newiga

              I’ll try. 😉 A bit quiet at the office because everyone else is enjoying their holidays.

  • Susan_Qbird_Poche

    Does anyone know the number of folks who attended this DC event?

    • Supper Powers

      212-555-2906

      • Susan_Qbird_Poche

        phone # to whom, Supper?

        • Supper Powers

          Mais, dats not it? I tought you wanted deh numbah to dos peoples in the capitahl. Tought you’d call dem right up.

          • Susan_Qbird_Poche

            Sacré Bleu! sac en papier!
            Ne pas énerver un cajun avec les pieds endoloris!

            • SP Wogsy

              Q-Bird, I hope you get a day off soon, so you can go to the spa for those sore feet.

            • Supper Powers

              Sha, you got me.

      • jazzlover

        LOL. 202 id DC. That’s Manhattan. And one of dem fake “TV-type” numbers at that. Ethel and Fred Mertz?

        • Supper Powers

          Damn. I guess I messed that up.

      • Susan_Qbird_Poche

        I see that Dodo. I am looking into venues in Mpls… and there are many many possibilities. From bizarre little theaters (Mixed Blood) to UofM conference rooms & theaters to the new Surly Beer Gradens to (and this is my favorite so far bc of the name)… The Endless Bridge at the Guthrie Theater.

        Also this Humphrey Conference Center holds up to Two fitty… just wondering how many got to see TO & Paulette yesterday. I’m just coming off a 14 days stretch of working & have not the energy to plow though all the comments.
        Tks, people.

        • MaxSpaceman

          The Endless Bridge is too perfect 🙂

          • Susan_Qbird_Poche

            It would have been (yeah, that name) but to rent it for 3 hours would be about $2,000… and I no can do. Very beautiful facility however Max.

            • MaxSpaceman

              The name, alone, Susan, is the max. 🙂

    • Todd Tomorrow

      47x 3.

      • Susan_Qbird_Poche

        another smart ass – love it!

        • Todd Tomorrow

          I wasn’t too far off either!

          • Susan_Qbird_Poche

            no – I did the math just before falling asleep, Todd…
            & that fact cracked me up!

            • Todd Tomorrow

              Darnet!

            • Susan_Qbird_Poche

              Todd – I’m-a messin’ with you, gently – your funny 3X47 # was damn close — and funny — & I love that. Cheers baby!

    • Tony Ortega

      There were nine rows with ten chairs across, but then they had to bring in an extra row in the back of the room and others were standing. So it was a little more than 100. I’d say about 115.

      Drummond Hall was one of the smaller rooms in the place, but it was sizable enough that it felt like a good space. And it was packed.

      Paulette was in rare form. One of our best appearances together, I think.

      • Susan_Qbird_Poche

        excellent – thanks for this TO.

      • Nice.

      • MaxSpaceman

        any audio or video recording of the presentation?

        • Juicer77

          No. Sadly. I was intending to bring a video camera but time constraints and the wish to sit with the other Bunkeroos won out. Therefore the live commentary.

  • noseinabk

    My wins today : According to my daughter I stopped being a sissy and went to the book event. I met Mary M. who is so sweet and her perseverance blows me away. I met some of the people from the Trout Run group who jumped into this insanity with both feet and have the skills and tenacity to persevere. At my hotel I met a man who is here for a Christians in support of Islam group. He asked why I was here and I told him. When I told him about the NOI and scientology he almost fell off the bench laughing and had a lot of questions . I met two women from Nashville and when I told them why I was here one said to the other ” I told you it was creepy.” She asked about the book and I told her how it led to Paulette getting the full information on her survival. She said how awful it was that this woman survived only to be persecuted by a cult and it gave her chills. (hello future bunkerite!)
    My self KR:
    Two OSA bots were present before the event and I was unsure and too chicken to take a picture. I recognized the face and was 100% sure that I knew it from the blog. . They were directly behind us at the coffee shop and I noticed them pause when someone mentioned Tommy Davis. Both plaid shirt guys walked through the venue when it opened and disappeared. I got up from my seat to see if the goons were still there and walked in on Tony trying to have a quiet moment. Oops.
    I wish I could have joined Juicer and TO for adinner but the kids and I wanted to check in to our hotel and take a break from the heat.
    When I walked back to my car that was parked at the school a block away it was nice to see police on bikes and curbside along my route. Was that routine or were they given a heads up?

    • Robert Hammond

      Thanks for your wonderful report. Sounds like you planted some good seeds along the way. Hope the OSA bots learned a few things about the people they were working for.

    • ReallyMGM

      Sounds like a great time! Sounds like the Trout Run adversaries are going to be good allies in the fight. I aooooo wish I could make it to one!

    • Baby

      Good Write up Nose.. sounds like you had a great time and met some very special people.. Yay.. You represented the Bunkeroos. xo

    • Todd Tomorrow

      You should have chased them out Headly style.

      • ReallyMGM

        Ask them for their autograph. Mistake them for some obscure, former d-list or lower disgraced actor, sports figure, or faux-lebrity. Then keep calling them that name.

    • gtsix

      Cops on cap hill are standard, but their have been a ton of daylight armed robberies this year, so MPD has increased patrol.

  • PerpetualOutflow

    Off Topic: Have no idea how common of a name Saldarriaga is, but I found a reference on ARS to a Judith de Saldarriaga, who was CMO IXU IXU T/LRH Exhibitions Manager. For some reason, I am no longer able in Discus to cut and paste (any suggestions as to why I it will no longer let me do this are most welcome). If this is of interest, let me know, and I will get it to you.

    • Intergalactic Walrus

      IDK about her but there are some big CO$ donors with that name.
      Judith and Pilar Saldarriaga — Platinum Meritorious with Honors ($3 million)
      http://tonyortega.org/2014/03/17/here-are-the-wealthy-people-keeping-scientology-alive/

      • PerpetualOutflow

        And looking through $cieno completions, various Saldarriagas come up, so maybe it’s a common name, DK, but whales and staff always raise a red flag.

        • Intergalactic Walrus

          Honestly, I’d never heard of it before, but I guess it’s pretty common in some circles.

        • Robert Hammond

          I’ll be glad when they raise a white flag and surrender to sanity.

    • Tony Ortega

      The private investigator is not related to the Scientology family Saldarriagas. It’s actually not such an uncommon name here in New York.

      • PerpetualOutflow

        Ah, thanks Tony. Congrats on a very successful event today!

      • Monday looks good?

    • Newiga

      Love it! You have a kick-ass taste in music, Dodo! 🙂

      • Thank you so much, Newiga.

        • Newiga

          This was on my playlist this morning. It’s a bit aggressive and weird but I love it. I first heard it as an opening theme to a Japanese anime called Death Note.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlEW_mLZ22U

          • ReallyMGM

            I hear great music on here. Have purchased some of it because I had to have it forever!

            EDIT: spelling is badly affected by ambien dose

            • nommables

              One of my favorite reminders…

  • SP Wogsy

    Where’s your gavel? Your jury?
    What’s my offense this time?
    You’re not a judge but if you’re gonna judge me
    Well, sentence me to another life

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH9A6tn_P6g

  • ReallyMGM

    For reference only: does Tony sign the books with ballpoint pen, sharpie, or fountain pen?
    (I collect pens, just curious)

    • Space pen only.

      • ReallyMGM

        It that such a thing? I go higher tech with my computer and toys, but I am low tech writing. I love my fountain pens and changing nibs and ink. I set up my old stereo with turntable to hear some wonders on vinyl.

        • Yes. It’s in my pocket. http://fisherspacepen.com/products/375

          • ReallyMGM

            Thanks D, you just solved some Christmast shopping problems for me, my brother and his sons are avid outdoorsmen w/ firearms. I pen made out of a shell they would love! Bookmarked!

      • ReallyMGM

        Graham Nash signed my book with normal ball point
        Grisham sighed “the Firm” with a ball point
        Lewis Grizzard’s signed with a gel type pen. He died a week later. I cried.

    • Juicer77

      I saw a Sharpie at one point yesterday, but the line wrapped both ways down the corridor so I don’t know if that was consistent.

  • Lady Squash

    Thank you for this Jon: “From Hubbard’s point of view, it[Knowledge Reports] provided an early warning system against potential defectors. It was never meant for our benefit.” For years I struggled to understand the value of KRs. Hubbard made such a convincing argument for how good they were for the group and his argument was sound: If you see Joe stealing money, you had better tell on him or else the organization will go down the tubes. That made sense. Only like every Hubbard, there was a twist. Sell the public on the idea of writing the reports, make they feel guilty if they don’t and then come up with a long list of offenses that require reports and make the worst crimes, anything negative about Hubbard or Scientology. The end result was miles away from the original reasonable idea that anyone could agree to. It is an old salesman trick–get the subject to agree to something. And once the person is agreeing with you add in your product and the person will buy it. In this case the product is information that alerts the Church to someone who might be thinking of leaving. So insidious.
    Hubbard does the same thing with Disconnection. In the Ethics Book, Hubbard makes disconnection sound so reasonable. Say you find our your friend is a drug dealer and keeps trying to sell you drugs. Obviously, it would be sensible to disconnect from this person. Are you all nodding your heads in agreement now? It isn’t until later that “drug dealer” is now anyone who has a negative opinion about Scientology. Bait and switch through and through.

    • Baby

      Yep to all Squash..

    • ReallyMGM

      KR aren’t unique to Hubbard. Been a part of corporate structures forever. Wonder who Hubbard stole his version from?

      Run from any company that has you fill out reports like that, sooner rather than later.

      • Lady Squash

        Know any tax-exempt company run like that? Just curious…

    • Newiga

      The most distressing aspect of KRs to me is the thought of never being able to feel at ease with anyone because you’re scared that one wrong word will lead to a KR. Straight out of 1984.

      • ReallyMGM

        All cult leaders do it. Plant the seed of paranoia in you so you can’t even talk honestly with you parents, spouse, child. It creates obedience to the cause.

      • Lady Squash

        Yup, that’s how it works. High anxiety about a basic human right, all the while promising Total Spiritual Freedom. Hunh?

    • MostEthicalPimp

      The Simpsons on the old salesman trick.

      Bart: Uh, say, are you guys crooks?

      Fat Tony: Bart, is it wrong to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving family?

      Bart: No.

      Fat Tony: Well, suppose you got a large starving family. Is it wrong to steal a truckload of bread to feed them?

      Bart: Uh uh.

      Fat Tony: And, what if your family don’t like bread? They like… cigarettes?

      Bart: I guess that’s okay.

      Fat Tony: Now, what if instead of giving them away, you sold them at a price that was practically giving them away. Would that be a crime, Bart?

      Bart: Hell, no.

      • Lady Squash

        Good one!!! That’s how it works. I have more in common with Bart Simpson than I’d like to admit. The truth hurts.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          I’d say the church has more in common with Fat Tony than they would like to admit!

  • Pierrot

    *** RED X +–+ Reminder +–+ RED X *** Monday, 13 July 2015

    Good morning Night Owls and Early Birds,

    The week’s scores and RedX links: https://whyweprotest.net/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-121#post-2545467
    Sunday is above average 🙂 : Tampa leads Sacramento.

    Help keep the trusting idealists away from co$ and whack a few ads : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-Kvg78kCcvo5gL7UfPcmhmbsagTNtdj0y2LAiHVFrCU/pubhtml

    F5… Tycho by Pklkmike enhanced by DodoTheLaser for RedX,
    and flickred by Aeger Primo https://www.flickr.com/photos/120371503@N05/16850252459/in/set-72157642802079293

  • ReallyMGM

    Week 1 nonsmoking is successfully completed. No hurrahs, please. It was a stupid thing I started doing to piss someone off that backfires on me.

    I stopped cold turkey 33 years ago and had not cheated a single time until Thanksgiving 2014. The reason, my mother in law was invited. Instead of calling my doctor and begging for Xanax to get through the stress, I bought a pack of Marlboros?

    I will succeed. I can’t afford the things anymore!!!! Price change from 1982-2015 is incredible.

    But if I am on edge, or blow a gasket, shoo my back to the corner and give me my Nicolette gum.

    • Supper Powers

      Do not mistake this excited post as a hurrah. OK? 🙂

      • ReallyMGM

        Thanks SupperPower. It is just as addictive and dangerous as the illegal stuff. dont ever think you can smoke just one, because maybe you can, or maybe you will be buying at carton a week later. I have many art projects started so no time for it. :))

        • Supper Powers

          Paint paint paint MGM! I’m rooting for you!

    • Supper Powers

      Seriously, little bits of raw ginger in your mouth or in between your lip and gum helps. Be good to yourself MGM.

      • Todd Tomorrow

        the really strong Altoids help, too. Think they have a ginger flavor.

    • Todd Tomorrow

      Hypnosis helped me quit for quite awhile until I thought that was too easy I can just have one. Wellbutrin, helped last time.

      • ReallyMGM

        I’m binge watching Breaking Bad, chewing Nicorette gum (used it 33 yrs ago successfully), and drawing and painting. No one around me smokes, so no way to sneak one. Eating better (the right stuff) than I have in years.

        • Todd Tomorrow

          Agreprimo, turned me onto Wellbutrin. It was strange but it worked. I guess it as equal as NRT(Nico replacement,gun).

          • ReallyMGM

            I am not anti psych meds, but it might have interaction with something else I take. If this little smoking detour had lasted longer than 6 months or I was having trouble stopping, I won’t hesitate to gett a script for it.

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I don’t like them either but anything is better than smoking. My Dad is a Dr. and a health nut. I started as a kid to piss him off. What a dumb ass I was. I tried that thing, you know with all the needles..?

            • ReallyMGM

              I hear ya. How many things I did to piss mine off! Then 25 years later you hear your mothers words coming from your mouth. YIKES!!! Reality Check

            • Todd Tomorrow

              My Grandfather said to me the last time I saw him alive,”You don’t want to smoke, nothing hurts worse than trying to breath.” Best to not beat yourself up(me anyway) when I stumbled. Just made it worse 4 me. If you decide to go the med route don’t do anything else except, Wellbutrin. That’s what a friend of mine who is a shrink said. Chantex is really a bad one she said. But if patches worked before they should again. Also, youtube has some self-hypnosis recordings that helped me, too. Before I went to bed i’d listen to them. Too tired to find them now but if you need help, let me know.

            • ReallyMGM

              Wellbutrin is an old drug. Tried and tested on many patients for a variety of conditions. The adverse effects are well documented by now, so no surprises. I’m getting by with my gum rather well now, but the first two days were anxiety-ridden. Now it’s not a big deal. I hadn’t gotten far enough I to light up every time I got in the car (so that is a trigger) or every time the phone rings (that was a killer the first time I stopped) or have to have smoke when I drink (I don’t drink much at all now unless a celebratory glass of wine or margarita here or there).

            • Todd Tomorrow

              I always have my car detailed. I also used vinegar on the interior windows.

            • MostEthicalPimp

              I use 99.9% isopropyl alcohol. Don’t tell the clean air board though. Sometimes, I use automotive paint prep solvents. Be careful though, good window cleaners will strip the wax from paint.

            • Sidney18511

              I stopped a 40 year habit with Wellbutrin and a bad lung scan. After all the years of cigs being my best friends I realized they really weren’t my friend at all and they were actually trying to kill me. It’s been a year and I don’t think about them at all.

            • ReallyMGM

              :)) :)) :)) My grandmother quit at age 81 when her middle daughter was diagnosed with small cell lung cancer.(she was a very heavy smoker) My GM took everyone aside in the family that smoked and gave them the lecture, including my 60ish father. My aunt only survived 18 months after diagnosis.(about the same for everyone it seems), but no one else in the family smokes anymore (except for my short-term craziness) My grandmother lived to be 98, her last 17 years were smoke free.

    • Baby

      I swear by my Vaping MGM.. I know not everyone agrees, but smoker’s like the ritual of smoking as much as the nicotine. I have talked a couple of people into it.. you can reduce the level of nicotine as you taper off..

      I have no desire to ever quit. I think it’s been like 2 years and cough left the first week.. I absolutely love it.

      If you contact me on an older post I can explain it to you better. xo baby

      • Missionary Kid

        I maintain that nicotine is more addicting than heroin. In addition, it’s legal, and also often a social activity. There’s the biochemical aspect, but also the habituation.

        Go to an AA or NA meeting. Afterwards, there’s often people who’ve kicked some of the most powerful drugs, but can’t kick nicotine, outside smoking.

        • MostEthicalPimp

          It’s kind of funny though. My dad and half-sister both quite smoking just out right. Well, to be fair my dad quit for a year or so and started up again. Probably because my mom was still a smoker at that time. But once my mom quit and she had a lot of trouble quitting my dad quit again with no relapses. Both of the easy quitters said it really wasn’t that hard for them and don’t understand how other people have so much trouble. Maybe, they’re both OT, Oh, wait my sister never did any Scientology before she quit! The few cigars I’ve puffed on. Have taught me one thing Nicotine is so relaxing but doesn’t mess with your cognitive functions at least as far as I could tell. Anyway, I think quitting smoking is harder for people because 1. no real social stigma. 2. It doesn’t cause much visible harm. 3. It can be beneficial for you at work and it starts to appear very beneficial because when you go without it you get irritated which makes it seem like you need the nicotine not be a total jerk that explodes at people. Okay, I’ve written way too much on subject I don’t really know much about. I’m start to feel a little like LRH.

          • Missionary Kid

            My ex was a smoker. After the divorce, I started to notice how smokers smelled bad. (Their sense of smell also isn’t as good). At the time, I thought it was odd that one of my oldest friends wouldn’t date women who smoked. Now I have the same attitude.

            • We had a family friend who had to give up smoking because of his heart problems. He took a flight back from Italy back when smoking was still allowed on airliners. He said he never felt like having a cigarette more in his life until he was able to debark from the plane and get a whiff of fresh air.

              How he came to smoke is a revealing story in itself: He worked as a pharmacy clerk at I believe was the Rexalls in Hollywood, back a few years before the WWII. After a few hours of work on his feet he would start to show signs of fatigue, so his co-workers and I think his boss or manager would urge him to go into in the back of the store and take a smoke break. He then took up the habit, and of course it lifted him for a few more hours after the break.

              Also, he was a medic in the South Pacific, and the cigarette companies sold their product to the Armed Forces at cost, knowing that the soldiers returning home would be paying the full price for a pack once they were stateside and couldn’t use the PX anymore. It wasn’t uncommon to take a whole pack of cigs to a movie, the way kids will take a six pack to a drive-in show, or whatever event.

              One of my treasured books is a copy of Harmony by the American composer Walton Piston, published under the ageus of the Department of War in 1943.

        • richelieu jr

          As an ex-heroin addict, I can say that nicotine isn’t ahrder to quit because it is more addictive, but because it is available EVERYWHERE!

          Howdy and I talked about his a lot.

          You can ask a stranger in the street for a smoke and probably get one. Maybe aphone number too!

          When you quit heroin you simply go where it is not Good luck with that with alcohol or nicotine.

          • Missionary Kid

            And yet (I’m not disputing you, because alcohol is a different drug) people manage to stay off of alcohol, even though it’s available nearly everywhere.

            Some meanderings.

            One study that I read about heroin was that soldiers who got addicted to heroin in Vietnam and kicked before they left for home overall had different withdrawal symptoms, yet the symptoms were uniform within the unit that a person served in. This seemed to indicate that withdrawal symptoms were what a person expected them to be, more than anything else.

            Synanon, before I became aware of what a cult it was, claimed that withdrawal symptoms were something that should be monitored, but that they were, for the most part, a misguided attempt to get more drugs. When a person first joined Synanon, their heads were shaved, and, while they were withdrawing, assigned to cleaning toilets or do other menial tasks.

            On the other hand, Chuck Dederich, the founder, declared that everyone had to quit smoking. At that point, they lost a huge number of followers.

    • Commodore H. McCringleberry

      you could just get an e-cigarette. Baby and I have them. Went from two packs a day to nothing in a month, though still attached to this metal contraption. On the up-side, i spend about two packs of cigarettes a month to operate it, and all of the coughing and lung butter goes away.

  • scottishinlondon

    As a never in one of the things that fascinates me about scientology is the light it shines on our psychology. It is exactly like a religion but with everything good removed. In the same way that in the concentration camps nazi doctors made many discoveries which no ethics (in the real sense of the word) could condone but were of genuine value, the terrible experiences undergone by those who have survived scientology teach us of the real nature of humanity, its depths and heights. Thank you for your testimony Mr Atack. And my unending respect to everyone who has managed to free themselves from this poisonous system of belief.

    • Missionary Kid

      ” It is exactly like a religion but with everything good removed.” Perfect.

      • It’s a form of collectivization that Mao would’ve envied, had he lived to see it grow to the extend that they did. The Chinese on the Mainland aren’t ever going to allow CoS sell their crap, or to practice there. Coke don’t let any Pepsi employees on their facility floor, you understand what I’m sayin?

        • Missionary Kid

          Mao was, according to the book I’m reading now, a sadist of the worst kind. He enjoyed torturing and killing people.

          You’re right about the mainland Chinese government.

  • Supper Powers

    Disconnected OSA, this is for you. Call them…

    http://youtu.be/a7ysopXvd1E

  • alice
    • ReallyMGM

      From the tone of the Scientology articles I read at that site, there is NO LOVE LOST between their team and the cult! Looked as it has been going on quite a while.

      Tony was first to call bullshit on TC leaving, but Redbook and Esquire look like fools quoting *THE STAR*. I line the cockatiel’s cage with that!

      • Baby

        TC will always be entwined with Scientology. He is in WAY TOO DEEP.. He is a very shallow little man. No ONE is there. And he knows it. and we know it.

  • Supper Powers
    • Missionary Kid

      Boy, the $cientology spin is filled with bullshit. They (the local cherch) don’t have a pot to piss in, and they’re claiming 200 members a week at their new facilities.

  • Baby

    Just for Grins.. Really Old post over at ESMB.. a Funny story from Albert..While you wait for Tony

    ………………………

    A few years ago during berthing csp, all base was ordered to dekludge
    and place any old clothes into trash bags and then bring them to the
    berthing i/c office so that these could be donated to the Salvation Army
    or something like that.

    It was a bunch of crap; it all went straight to the dumpsters. Okay the
    funny part is that a few months later we saw an extremely dirty homeless
    men walking around the base with a jacket that said “Scientology Power
    Field Staff Member”.

    • Missionary Kid

      What’s a difference between a staff member and a homeless person? The homeless person doesn’t worry about Thursday at 2 PM.

    • MostEthicalPimp

      How can they be sure he wasn’t a “Scientology Power Field Staff Member” who went Crazy. It does happen you know. I live too close to CC Hollywood. Everytime, I see a homeless crazy person or even just someone who looks very down on their luck. I wonder if it’s SO who went nuts and was off loaded or something like that. Haven’t had the guts to ask any of them.

      • Baby

        You have a point Pimp..

      • richelieu jr

        I used to live just up Beechwood (not far enoughto be one of the cool rich people, I’m afraid!) from the Celeb Cuckre, and my room mate and I became fascinted witha young woman who was “SDF” (sorry I forget the English word- She wa slving onthe street). It is always unusual to find a young,a ttractive woman inthis state, becasue for v-beter or worse, there is always somehwere and someone who would like her sleeping near them… What is more, my roomie and her looked quite alike, bleached blonde hair, pierced noses (this was when this was rare thing, kids,, late 80’s, I’d say ’89-90).. We kindof made her out project, invited her in. CLeaned her up, fed her, etc…

        I came home once and she was tearing throughout bookshelves, looking for someting. I aked what was up, and she finally came clean- She wanted to make sure we weren’t with ‘Them’. She was looking for Hubbard’s bound collections of words letters and run-on-sentences (I have trouble calling them ‘books’).

        Turns out she’d been sequestered by some rich Scilon for several weeks, taken off her meds (Schizophrenia, folks), then when she heard voices and tried to kill herself, (he’d taken her out of the hospital at least once,as I recall, and when she got the obligatory three-day lock-down, he split, When she went to get her stuff, he said he’d thrown it out, burnt it.

        I am afraid I didn’t really buy her story at the time. It seemed to out there and paranoid; Not even after living with an amazing woman for a coupel of years and her telling me she two had been sequestered by some loony Scilon (this time for just a few days before she escaped).

        And, I admit with a red-face, this was after the first time the CoS had sued me for a million dollars (this seems to ahve been some magical number for them- Each time a million dllars- For me, the Star/co-creator and the Channel… And each tile when we didn’t back down the whole thing evaporated as if it were some idiotic ‘Confront and Shatter’ strategy that could only work in an environment where everyone agreed it would work or else they’d be introuble and then was suddenly exosed to true ‘Ethics’ and REAL laws and crimes and then disappeared faster that David Miscavige faced with a summons or one of Tom Cruise’s True Loves who was caught intentionally being taller than David Miscavige.

        Around there you get used to being on a date with some really cute girl and her saying she’s a Scientologist and then saying “Why is everybody so freaked out about Scientology? It only helps you become more you!”

        I never knew so many pneumatic and lithe young blondes and brunettes were truly hulking halitosis hacks, with rotten teeth, worse intentions, and pulsating sebaceous cysts on their foreheads and moobs where their own magnificent (if often store-bought) racks had been.

        I have always wondered how many of the sad, damaged people lurking in the bushes and garbage pails behind Ron’s were the human detritus left in the wake of Ronny’s Fake Navy.

    • Newiga

      Too funny!

  • Monica Pignotti

    Actually, no. The snitching in Scientology comes in the form of formal knowledge reports, not random blurting things out to just anybody, which they discourage. It’s called third partying. In general, Scientologists are encouraged to be very secretive about all kinds of things, which is the most unhealthy part of it because it keeps all the abuse from being exposed, if people buy into it. Fortunately many people have not. Blurting things out and failure to keep confidences is something that infects many human beings, not at all unique to ex-Scientologists. Not everything undesirable from an ex-Scientologist is because of Scientology.

    • richelieu jr

      This is very true and crucial- You are never to speak about your case (except to laud the ‘wins’ and ‘cognitions’ the ‘tech’ is giving you, and to lurk around smirking and looking like finding the occasional parking spot is the least of your powers– Why you may even be reading my mind right now! It’s like POW! Wow! Ka-Zoom! A PRIVILEGE!)

      It is no one’s Scientological interest to find out that there are no less than 12 Jesuses and 7 Bonapartes scarfing down beans and rice at the same table. It might cast doubt ont he whole enterprise and make it seem, silly and kind of a rip-off.

      So hey Jesus Christ– Yeah, both of you! Shut your fucking mouths!

  • RK

    I was raised to not tattle. No one likes a tattle-tailor, I was told. As an adult, no one likes the person in the office that watches and snitches on everyone. They rapidly become a pariah in an office. In Scientology, it is taught that this kind of nit-picking reporting is highly ethical and that one needs to do this to maintain their own sense of wholeness. It is crazy. It is as though everyone’s action or thought becomes theirs merely because they heard it, saw it, heard about it, listened to it and thought about it, or suspected it and they have to report it to absolve themselves of any tarnish to their ethical selves. I’m sure that there are some things that need to be told – things that people do to endanger themselves or others or make life miserable for others around them, but Scientology makes everything equal in level of offense. There is an exception to this – when the offense will look bad for Scientology. Then Scientologists are taught to keep silent about these things. They slowly lose all ability of self-determination about this. So all things are reported and then Ethics Officers tell them what to do.

  • valshifter

    So exteriorization is another product sold by scientology which does not produce the phenomena promised, full perception and all ,outside your body etc etc, but all the contrary, is just a way of rendering the mark “numb” to any command, and more viable, as if your body no longer belongs to you but to scientology and the cause. Scary.