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New criminal case for Scientology in France could shut it down permanently in that country

ScalesA surprising new story out of France today has huge implications for Scientology in that country. Our man in Paris, Jonny Jacobsen, has the lowdown for us. Take it away, Jonny

Scientology, already convicted in France of organised fraud, is in trouble with the courts here again.

The Paris Court of Appeal is resurrecting a case dating back to 1998 in which a private school allegedly sneaked Scientology material onto its curriculum.

Lawyer Olivier Morice, a longstanding opponent of the movement in the French courts who is acting for some of the plaintiffs in this case, broke the news on Monday.

The Paris court will place three Scientologists and three organisations linked to Scientology under formal investigation over the affair, Morice said. The alleged offences range from fraud, deceptive commercial practices and the abuse of public funds.

With the case having dragged on for more than a decade already under at least eight different investigating magistrates, it was beginning to look as if it might never come to trial — nor does this latest development guarantee that it will.

But the Paris appeal court decided to take over the case because it was not satisfied with the way the local courts had handled it, Morice added.

Among the allegations are that unqualified teachers taught Scientology precepts to around 50 pupils at the school.

Jonny Jacobsen

Jonny Jacobsen

Parents raised the alarm after learning that students were being made to do cleaning duties at the school and that one teacher was using “touch assists,” a kind of laying-on-of-hands practised by Scientologists to help overcome pain.

Back in 2011, the prosecutor’s office in Créteil, Val-de-Marne, near Paris, filed charges against four people, including at least two Scientologists.

But it chose not to prosecute any of the Scientology organisations implicated, arguing in its indictment that so much time had already passed that this was no longer feasible.

A year later, the courts dismissed a large part of the case.

Morice appealed, and after conducting its own investigation the Paris Appeal Court appears to feel there could, after all, be a case to answer — not just against individuals but against Scientology organisations.

This time around, the Paris appeal court has put three Scientology organisations under the spotlight, breathing new life into what had appeared to be a moribund case.

Responding to the news, lawyer for Scientology Louis Pamponnet pointed out that this latest development did not necessarily mean there would be a trial.

But one of the groups being investigated is the Paris Celebrity Centre, one of the two Scientology organisations convicted back in 2009 for organised fraud.

That conviction was confirmed by France’s top court only last year, although Scientology is trying to bring the case before the European Court of Human Rights, arguing it did not get a fair trial.

If the Centre is put on trial again and convicted, it could be shut down under French law — and Morice has argued that a second such conviction could even spell the end of Scientology in France.

The Institut Aubert, which was based in Vincennes, just outside Paris, has long since closed.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on January 13, 2014 at 17:20

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  • Douglas D. Douglas

    MAIS OUI!

  • Mooser

    “Parents raised the alarm after learning that students were being made to
    do cleaning duties at the school and that one teacher was using “touch
    assists,” a kind of laying-on-of-hands practised by Scientologists to
    help overcome pain.”

    Just can’t help themselves, can they?

    • Mooser

      Oh well, anything to cut expenses.

    • DamOTclese2

      What were the ages of these children? Having Scientology criminals fondling children in pretend “touch assist” is something to worry greatly about.

    • Betsy

      “Touch assists”…wasn’t there another Church that was using those — a LOT?

      • DamOTclese2

        It’s not “touch assist” if you don’t kiss the little boy. 🙁

        • Betsy

          Oh…thanks for explaining. I have a hard time understanding these delicate theological issues. I guess that’s why Scientology doesn’t make sense to me.

  • Artoo45

    My sang is froid with delight.

    • Mooser

      Yeah! I hope France non plusses the hell out of the COS. Placing them Hors douvre de combat or something.

  • vistaril_LOL

    Vive La France!.I love their take on the cult.Anyone in uk govt listening????

    • Scream Nevermore

      Given their unease over the recent decision to call them a religion, yes, some of them might indeed be listening.

  • 10oriocookies

    French toast the cult is.

    • DamOTclese2

      Belgium waffles, man! Belgium!

      • Great White Clam

        Those, too. LOL

        • DamOTclese2

          Great, now I want waffles. 🙂

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Now I want bacon and waffles.

            • DamOTclese2

              “Of course I want bacon!” — Paraphrase Eric Cartman.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I thought it was chicken and waffles on the west coast?

            • DamOTclese2

              It’s vegetarian tofu tacos here on the West Coast. With avocados and sliced jalapeno!

            • 10oriocookies

              Now thats just plain wrong.

            • Jgg2012

              Davey serves up whoppers.

            • indie8million

              How about meeting in Los Angeles on Gower (right down the street from CCI) for some Roscoe’s chicken and waffles?

      • 10oriocookies

        Blasphemy! You have desecrated the holy waffle and now you must repent.

      • indie8million

        Belgium is for chocolate. DM may find himself on the ol’ Hershey highway soon.

    • Jgg2012

      or French Fries.

      • 10oriocookies

        Or Fried Chicken.

  • mirele

    Hunh. Dear French Press, spend time on this, not on Francois Hollande. The cult is much more juicy than some boring affaire de coeur.

  • Jimmy Threetimes

    ce n’est pas grave si mon client a un cœur noir, il peut y avoir aucun procès ici

    • Doloras LaPicho

      “Ça n’importe rien si mon client possède un cœur noir, ce qui s’importe, c’est qu’on traite ici de la réligion.”

    • DuckBenway

      “… it does not matter if my client has a black heart, there can be no trial here…”

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Fail. I was looking for “it does not matter if my client has has a black heart, there may be no trial here.” But translated to non-googled French.

        • Glom_of_Nit

          Then: peu importe que mon client ait un cœur de pierre, il n’y aura pas de procès.

    • N. Graham

      “Do not pick fights with Scientology, or any other brainless entity.”

    • Glom_of_Nit

      The translation of “It doesn’t matter if my client has a black heart, what matters is that it’s a case of religion.” would be: “Peu importe que mon client ait un cœur de pierre, ce qui importe, c’est qu’il s’agit de problèmes religieux”.
      Long time lurker here, actually French, and living in Paris not 500 meters away from the Celebrity Centre, hi everyone!

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Thank you for responding and for your answers. You should say hello (or bonjour) in a more populated Bunker article sometime, if you’re comfortable with it. I’m sure you will be received well 🙂 best to you and yours in France.

        • Glom_of_Nit

          Thanks for your welcome, Jimmy, but I don’t have much to contribute compared to all the fascinating testimonies and analysis found here. I’ll try not to be too timid anyway!

  • vistaril_LOL

    unqualified teachers – touch assists – anyone in Sussex Social Services/ Police interested?

    • joan nieman

      You would think.

  • DamOTclese2

    Of course it’s fraud! Love seeing Morice (’cause he speaks on the properties of love) walking it to us, wonderful! Let’s hope the insane crooks get banned forever all across Teegeeack.

    By the way: My “To Do List” here in this image, I manage to meet 8 and a half requirements. I’m hopefully going to accomplish my 9th by the end of this evening.

    • Graham

      I reckon I score 14 so far.

      • Captain Howdy

        I scored a 23..yay for me.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Wait. How did I tie with you?! I knew we had something in common.

          • ThetaBara

            I’ve got you both beat by 1!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Sinner! I could tell by your costume. Wait. Does entertainment and sport worshiper count as 1 or 2?

            • ThetaBara

              I’m not sure. That middle section with the “Party Animals” and “Tattoo getters” really did me in. And everyone knows I am a Merciless Devil and a Sin-friendly Heresy Teacher. Yay!

            • DamOTclese2

              I figure I can reach 10 if I get a tattoo, maybe 11 if I make the tat a little red devil. 🙂

        • DamOTclese2

          Wow, you even beat out Graham? That’s showing commitment!

          Dauntless! Defiant! Deviated!

      • DamOTclese2

        ROFL! Graham, darn it, you may very well be in the lead! I stalled at 8, I’m working on my 9th, I’m going to need some assistance with some of these. 🙂

      • Rita Gregory

        I’m so boring. I only got a 5.

      • Minion Gayle

        19. Guess I better try harder.

    • BigMcLargeHuge

      Pompatus of love, not properties.

      • ThetaBara

        That’s right, and I think that’s also how they figured out he didn’t actually write that song.

      • richelieu jr

        Hey, is your real name ‘Maurice’?

        • Sherbet

          Some people call him “Maurice.”

          • DamOTclese2

            Some call him the “Gangster of Love.”

    • Great White Clam

      Please define “bitter people”…….

      • Graham

        define “bitter people”…….

        Anyone who stands out in public with a sign condemning the rest of humanity to hell.

        • Great White Clam

          I see.
          Nothing about frocks, then?

      • DamOTclese2

        Well, first you must set aside your frock…

      • richelieu jr

        People who don’t taste good.

        • DamOTclese2

          Ba da bing! Winning teh Internetz!

        • Qbird

          Ah qui… mon ami… but fortunately for us, some do! 😉
          In full support of France today! sez-a-Q

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You left out bitter defrocked apostates. We always get left out. Pity. We have such good parties.

      • Andrew Underhill

        Oh that’s not fair – I still have my frock.

    • VickiStubing

      That list doesn’t include those who throw the first stone. Oops.

      • Casabeca

        Muucho up votes for you!

    • Cat Daddy
      • DamOTclese2

        “Some guy paid me 70 sheckles to hiold this book and pretend I’m reading it while he taked my photograph.”

        He;s going to Hell for that. 🙂

      • richelieu jr

        Just look at his face:

        He doesn’t even speak English and even he knows it’s a load of bollocks..

        • DamOTclese2

          The Scientology clowns really do think that normal people stop and stand in the middle of a crowded sidewalk in New Delhi just to read their frauds. Amazing.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      This sign in one sentence:

      If you’re human, you’re going to hell.

      • DamOTclese2

        Well yeah, duh, but the objective of the game, the whole swatting point is to try to achieve as many of the 52 items on the list as possible before you die.

        I’ve got 8 so far, working on 9. If I can get a tattoo that’ll be 10! Woo hoo! Now I need volunteers to help me work on some of these.

        • Betsy

          I could help you with one of them. I’m not saying which….

          • joan nieman

            Wow! Betsy!

            • Betsy

              Well…I WILL say that it’s one of the LEAST thrilling ones. Possibly the very least thrilling.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      The original poster in one sentence:

      I saw this image that fit my view of every religion, so they are all idiots and deserve public buggering, and people know what that means.

    • Sherbet

      It would have been sort of funny if the sign-wearer had been struck by lightning, right out of the blue.

    • Scream Nevermore

      I gave up reading that list halfway through, seeing as I’d already qualified for Hell about 20 times over!

      • DamOTclese2

        There is always room for improvement. There are 52 items on the list, if you don’t achieve all 52, well at least you tried! That’s what’s important.

    • Casabeca

      Please share your work when you get to gangster rapper ;).

    • D.Y.G.

      I do not see “Godless liberals” on this list!

  • Great White Clam

    Things in general seem to keep getting worse and worse for the clam-cult. I wonder what entheta will arise tomorrow? Or the next day. And the next weeks, months, in fact, over the whole agonized future of this cult, every man, woman and child in it?

    • DamOTclese2

      Here’s hoping that David will acquire a rash that itches terribly.

      • joan nieman

        Then Elena can tell him what to do for the itch.

    • Betsy

      I’m sure someone, or many someones, will be beaten up about this. But where and whom? DM must be having so many attacks of violent fury in recent times that no one will get close to him.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!
    • DamOTclese2

      LOL! Too lake, Niblet! The crescent is in the fire for sure.

      • Miss Tia

        I wonder if this is gonna affect Niblet’s importing of French wines and cheeses? 🙂

        • Captain Howdy

          GOB only eats Phlemish cheese.

        • DamOTclese2

          It means there is one more country where the sociopath can’t flee extradition to.

          • Miss Tia

            YES!! 🙂

          • RMycroft

            I doubt that France was high on his list. After all, they did convict Elron Hubbard.

    • Ciru

      Well on the way to the first Suppressive Continent.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I just heard him end off the event with two words: 1) Tidal Wave 2) Massive footprints 3) Happy Trials (ok, happy trails).

    • Cat Daddy
      • Cat Daddy
        • Toni m

          Disgusting tomato nut.

          • DamOTclese2

            Oh yeah, the things he does with tomatoes — Disgusting!

            • richelieu jr

              That’s no way to talk about John Sweeney!

            • RMycroft

              I want to see a rematch with exploding tommyatoes.

        • OrangySky

          Who was he running from when that picture was taken?

          • N. Graham

            His private demons.

      • Sherbet

        Dang! Why was lrh not standing right in that spot the day the Nazis drove down the Champs Elysee?

        • GaEagle1023 – Tom

          Dang…I was thinking the EXACT same thing

      • valshifter

        no triumph for him in la France. au revoir a la scientology

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      What bout the Atlantic? Hasn’t DM declared the Atlantic SP by now too? heh

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Captain Miscavige is very fond of a rare Serbian cheese called Коза дупе. He eats tons of it each day while poring over the legal cases that seek to engulf him in entheta.

      • Mark

        I thought it was Bulgarian and you could get it in France too under the name of cul-de-chèvre?

        • DamOTclese2

          There’s a big hello in there somewhere! 🙂

          • joan nieman

            Ai Yii!

        • cs sarabia

          I used to teach ESL many years ago. Before an end of the term party, a Bulgarian student volunteered to bring Bulgarian cheese with crackers as his contribution for the hors d’oeuvres. He assured us that Bulgarian cheese is the best in the world. He came through as promised and the cheese was indeed labeled as “Bulgarian,” but for the untrained American eye, it was just enfeta. Bulgarians and Greeks are neighbors, after all.

          I know, I’m punny, not funny, but cheesey. This is a true story, BTW. I love cheese and tangents.

          • Mark

            That must have been sirene, which is very like feta. Kashkaval’s closer to mozzarella.

            • Cat Daddy
            • Mark

              Oh gods, how would you caption that? “Straight from her own udders”?

            • Cat Daddy

              MothermilkCaek ?

            • Mark

              “Don’t point those things at me, they might go off”.

            • Cat Daddy
            • Jenstnick

              She should have stuck with the cocaine

            • Verve

              Scientology: Making hot girls get fat.

            • joan nieman

              Lol! You made me grin ear to ear!

            • cs sarabia

              “Eight out of 10 Men Agree: Blown for Good, but in a Really Bad Way” (italicize “really”)

              I don’t mean “blown”as in mad, upset, or wasted.

              And I’m a girl.

            • Cat Daddy

              love your style

            • cs sarabia

              To the down vote above:

              I understand the down vote, but what else was Kristie offering or promoting in her many years old promotional picture as a svelte nymphette? Or in her more recent promotional pictures in which she seems to advocate gorging on enormous slices of cheesecake as she’s advertising her suction abilities?

            • cs sarabia

              That must be it. Thanks for the name. I’ll keep my eye eye out for it when I’m in the ethnic markets.

          • scottishinlondon

            I taught ESL too and at a party a Bulgarian student brought in some Bulgarian Cabernet Sauvignon wine which raised fond memories in me as I had drunk many of its ilk while a student myself in the early 90s. It was cheap and cheerful stuff with some sort of dye in it which (weirdly enough) made the wine red but turned your tongue blue. I had drunk far too much and I enthused over it saying, “wow, blast from the past, I drank so much of this stuff in Dundee when I was studying!” he said, “it is very good wine from Bulgaria”, I said (to my eternal shame)”no, it’s nice but very cheaply produced, it turns your tongue blue, look!” and stuck my (blued) tongue out.

            I guess the Greeks and the Bulgarians have a pride of home which is not really rational, in common. Greeks are also very patriotic and prone to announcing they have the best of everything too, in my experience

        • Ardent

          Cul de chèvre! Oh yes, how he must enjoy it. Thanks for the chuckle, Mark.

          • Gus_Cox

            With a side of pis de mouffette, mmm 😉

      • L Mignacca

        rubbing cheese on the neck…is a good way to fortify the perceptives…

    • Jgg2012

      How apropos. D-day started in France, and led to the elimination of Fascism in Europe. Now, France is the first suppressive country, and I think Davey and Laurisse are going to be hiding under a bunker soon (not the underground bunker) while their empire is destroyed.

    • Ten Aug

      Well to be fair Oceana does need enemies or the natives will get restless.

  • Go France! The cult is facing waves of lawsuits and it’s only a matter of time.

    On a side note: Mind helping out clear Craigslist of Scientology Scams? Join the effort at http://www.ScientologyScams.com

    • richelieu jr

      I have been doing this for a while, but only sporadically.. I could use some help!

      • There’s a group of us over at WWP that go through these on a daily basis. Check out https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/ or just check the site when you can and flag those. I try to have the day’s ads posted by 6PM PST.

        • richelieu jr

          Yeah, I’ve ben doing it ad hoc, but they’re pretty damn easy to spot!

      • Miss Tia

        There’s a lot of us who do it daily from the lists on WWP but we don’t usually comment about it. We need to ensure we don’t use any kind of programs or bots so that we are within CL rules. https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-45#post-2408089

        • richelieu jr

          I wouldn’t know how to use a bot anyway. I just kind of do it as a pastime, but I’m open to something more organized.. I don’t think we have quite the infestation you have…

          • Miss Tia

            The site they have uses a bot, therefore anyone flagging the links on their page, is engaging in something that is against CL TOU. I guess I should have been clearer in my comment and I apologize for that.

            • richelieu jr

              no apology necessary, but thanks for the clarification!

              I am, I admit, pretty net ignorant, which is kind of funny given my profession and that I am not really technophobe…

    • Miss Tia

      To ensure we stick within CL TOS, lists are usually updated daily on this thread here: https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/taking-down-co-on-craigslist-co-ads-on-craigslist.113779/page-45#post-2408089

    • DuckBenway

      You’re using scripts, scrapers and/or bots with which to compose your lists.

      This is a flagrant violation of CL’s TOU. Your site could just be a honey pot used to harvest IP addresses of WWP Members and Bunkerites.

      Your reputation on WWP has sunk to that of a flaming faggot and it got there in just over seven days.

      Advice to Bunkerites: if you go to this idiot’s site, go via proxy only. It could be a trap.

      • Milo MinderBinder

        Duck – you’re exaggerating – whoever is behind that website – I fail to see how this person is OSA. As for violations of CL’s TOUs….Scientology has been doing it for years. WWP peeps have been trying to flag CoS ads for years and were not particularly successful. I think it was only after TonyO published the Sacramento Org guide to CL, that the media and other computer savvy people began paying attention.

    • Milo MinderBinder

      Is this a new website? Totally cool. Normally Scientology ads on Craig’s List are hard to identify, because often they fail to disclose that they are Scientology related. They say “we are a non-profit organization that will help you with your depression without using drugs”….or something like that.

  • Cat Daddy
  • Remy

    The rest of the world is just trying to tie Scientology up with endless litigation! Those deep-pocketed “sovereign nations” have endless resources compared to Scientology! And their espionage departments are nearly as big!

  • Graham

    “Morice has argued that a second such conviction could even spell the end of Scientology in France.”

    Now that’s what I call Clearing the Planet! Vive la France!

    • DamOTclese2

      It’s almost enough to forgive them for… well for being French! 🙂

      “Europe: DONE!”

  • GSioux

    Again, “a big consolidation of events…” Seems there are many big reasons to ‘consolidate’ in Clearwater. ‘It’ is closing in. Escape hatch needed. Won’t be long. Paranoia takes its toll – not much frontal cortex going on! LRH escaped – Baby MissCalf will too!

    • vistaril_LOL

      Enemies everywhere Miscavige EVERYWHERE – “merchants of chaos” n’est-pas?

      many thanks to Jonny for getting this stuff out to the english speaking world.

      • GSioux

        C’est vrai, vistaril_LOL! Partout le monde – evasion impossible! So there! Stay in Clearwater with your valise packed and head to your off-shore accounts – if you can. That is the big vexing question, isn’t it.

      • DamOTclese2

        Now we get to see how many of David’s lawyers are shipped off to France to argue about how David has a Black Heart but is otherwise too ecclesiastical to commit organized crime himself. Something.

    • DamOTclese2

      Well this is going to drive David’s health in to the le toilatte to the point where he looks like death warmed over and…

      Oh wait. David already looks like that.

  • Sir_Real

    One domino at a time…..

  • John McGhee

    This is excellent news, Nice one Jonny. So, scilons, what was that about your unprecedented expansion??

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I think the expansion refers to the number of court cases.

      • joan nieman

        Yes it does.

  • Sir_Real

    Sacrebleu!

  • Miss Tia

    Go France!!

  • Remy

    MIVILUDES,
    MIVILUDES,
    shish kum bah!

    • Remy

      That’s the Mission interministérielle de vigilance et de lutte contre les dérives sectaires, i.e. the French “Interministerial Mission for Monitoring and Combatting Cultic Deviances”

      • Mark

        UNADFI, UNADFI, rah rah rah!

        • Remy

          I think we have a pretty good cheer going!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Yet another Breaking at Tony’s place. You had me at “the end of Scientology”

    A tip of the hat to Jonny Jacobsen once again.

    • Sherbet

      Party at richelieu’s.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        yes! Champagne, brie and croissants for everybody!

        • Sherbet

          Do you think somebody should tell him we’re coming?

          • Scream Nevermore

            No, let it be a nice surprise for him…

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Sure, he’ll love it! Is it above 60 degrees there?

            • richelieu jr

              Most definitely not!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              need fur coat, fur hat, fur sweat shirts and fur slippers. then I’ll be right over.

            • Priscilla

              7C/44F Paris at 1:00 am

          • DamOTclese2

            LOL! I hope he has room for us all! There’s (looking around) damn, there’s thousands of us in this bunker!

        • richelieu jr

          I’ve been expecting you! The more the merrier!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Will there be a parade or festival in the streets now? Do you still have a band? We will need music of course.

            • Captain Howdy
            • Qbird

              OOo-wee-OO Capt. Howdy, i can hear your color! fun.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Merci. What the hell Is that? I got whiplash.

            • media_lush

              … he was actually Belgian…. not that it matters

          • Casabeca

            We can bring Pouilly-fuisse, macarons, and a Sophie la giraffe for bebe!

            • richelieu jr

              My bébé has a Sophie!

            • Casabeca

              Parfait ;).

            • Ardent

              Gave a friend’s new baby a Sophie – no idea there was such enthusiasm. Happy to report it is a fave toy/teether and thing to throw. As to what to drink: I think Dom Perignon and truffles for the day the cult lies on the floor of ‘eternal destiny’ , twitching its’ last, and spilling OSA agents like maggots. Ahhh, quel saveur!

            • Casabeca

              So many great French beverages, I have enjoyed Veuve Cliquot but not yet Dom. So feel free to share your whatever in in your cave with us all. Yum.

            • Ardent

              I only once had a taste. It really was good.

        • joan nieman

          Oh! How lovely! I’ve got a paper plate here…..

  • Priscilla

    Well done, France!

  • Mark

    Sounds so much more… orotund when a fraud’s called a “Complicité de tromperie”. http://www.20minutes.fr/societe/1273325-20140113-eglise-scientologie-mise-examen-affaire-institut-aubert

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Sure do.

    • Modesto

      I think I’d like to commit that

    • Ardent

      I agree, Mark. It has that wonderful FULLNESS about it.

  • Scream Nevermore

    Allez la France!

  • AutOmatic
    • Anonymous

      Able Was I Ere I Saw Elba

      or perhaps,

      OT Was I Error Not Really

      • AutOmatic

        Quite astute, good sir, I too noticed that…strange coincidence indeed, or maybe no coincidence at all. 🙂

      • Robert Eckert

        Anelehts was I ere I saw St. Helena

    • Ardent

      I LOVE this image. Perfect. Just perfect, AutOmatic. I wish posters were made and plastered near the ‘Ideal Morgues’ everywhere. It is just obscure enough to draw the attention of a slight curious Sci-borg.

  • Jeb Burton

    Wont this just make them Martyr’s? I don’t think this will do any good. The scientologists will still practice, and the cult will have a fund raising issue ready made for them to fight religious bigotry.

    • Scream Nevermore

      I don’t think the French care – they just want them gone. What the rest of the world does with them is not France’s concern.

      • richelieu jr

        They were ahrdly a problem over her euntilt he tax break thing (not totally true, but still)… Now they’re everywhere, flouting the law and treating our State as a subsidiary to their cult.

        Martyrs? To whom? They already think they are, and anyone else who does has other problems.

        Signed,
        François Hollande

    • Remy

      If they can’t form public corporations in France, that goes a long way to remove the “iron curtain” (the combination of social isolation, threat of disconnection, financial destruction including slave wages and threat of freeloader debt, etc), plus the sale of their “products” would become black market. Without corporate regulation, it all becomes “squirrel” tech.

    • richelieu jr

      They don’t have tax-exempt status over here. We’re not morons!..oh, sorry….

      • 1subgenius

        No problem. We morons have a profound inability to recognize our limitations.
        So we would not have gotten the gist of your Gallic gibe, had you not pointed it out.

        • richelieu jr

          Yeah, it was labored…

          • 1subgenius

            Not at all.

    • Ardent

      That should be done in the USA IMMEDIATELY. But a certain gutless outfit seems to have been blackmailed into abject acquiescence. And getting Boehner to do ANYTHING in congress is like asking a tree stump to help you move a piano.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Remember what happened when the IRS did its job and scrutinized certain political organizations filing under 501c3? It was a made-for-Fox-News scandal. The same will happen if the IRS targets Scientology specifically. To many, the IRS is the lesser of two evils.

  • Imelda Marcos

    Paris Celebrity Center? Who do they expect is gonna walk in the doors there? Jean Reno?

    • richelieu jr

      Not sure I even inderstand this.. We have no celebrities?

      • 1subgenius

        Other than the ones screwing President Hollande, that is.

        • richelieu jr

          Ha! 1sub!

          Power is truly the ‘ultimate aphrodisiac’ as Kissinger said if that potato-looking guy who no one likes can bang starlets…

          • 1subgenius

            Although it doesn’t work in reverse (most of the time).
            You don’t see young hunks throwing themselves at Madeline Albright.
            I’d do her.

          • Ardent

            Yeah, strange, isn’t it?

      • Imelda Marcos

        I mean nothing of the sort. Speaking as someone born in France, I would imagine les francais to be particularly good at spotting bullshite.

    • 1subgenius

      I’m hoping for Gerard Depardieu with a full bladder.

      • richelieu jr

        Let’s buy him some of his won wine, shall we?

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I am naive but… are there any French Scientologists, celebrity or no?

  • Cat Daddy
    • Scream Nevermore

      That is the best national anthem on the planet!

    • Captain Howdy

      It’s not Edith Piaf, it’s Mireille Mathieu and it is the best version IMO.

      • Cat Daddy

        Thanks and I alweays search for the best sounding version of something unless a live version beats it

  • 1subgenius

    Petard.

  • Walter Mitty

    Thank you France! (picture – refresh)

    • valshifter

      if sciloontology is bad for the French, what makes it good for the American People?

      • joan nieman

        really.

  • Modesto

    Well, it looks hopeful but, coming from the nation that seems to regard the identity of the President’s lover as a legitimate state secret and really none of anyone’s business, it may be best not to get too excited just yet …

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    When Captain Blackheart ended off the New Year’s event video saying “Happy Trails”, I got a warm and fuzzy just thinking he was secretly saying “bye bye suckers” and would never be seen again. Then I thought, yeah, in your dreams.

    Now, maybe?

    • OrangySky

      He also said, in the IAS event, “This is my farewell message to you…..”

      Some Freudian slippage going on there, Davey?

  • richelieu jr

    I am so proud!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      We’re all heading out your way for a Humongous party.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Yup, we will be partying at your place, Richelieu!

        • OrangySky

          Hear that knocking on your window? That’s us. Let us in.

    • Priscilla

      as well you should be!

  • Andrew Robertson

    Oh dear. This could start the ‘Freedom Fries War’ all over again. Scientology will be gearing up its A-list movie stars to besiege the State Department to have France placed on the ‘Countries of Particular Concern’ list where freedom of religion is at risk. It worked with Germany when John Travolta graciously gave Sandy Berger, then National Security Adviser, his autograph in return for their support.

    http://www.lermanet.com/cos/meetthepress.htm

    Andrew

    • Sibs

      More reason to step up the pressure against the cult here!

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Can the best French actor even speak?

      • Captain Howdy

        And that would be?

        • Ardent

          Perhaps the late Marcel Marceau? He’d keep his trap shut.

        • Jimmy Threetimes

        • Cat Daddy

          That Russian guy

    • Mooser

      “Scientology will be gearing up its A-list movie stars to besiege the State Department…”

      And those would be…..?

      • DamOTclese2

        Um… Tom Cruise! Yeah! No wait, um.. John Travolta! Yeah! John Travolta! Oh wait.

      • Peter

        You beat me to it. LOL

      • N. Graham

        Bijou Phillips and Haywood Nelson?

    • richelieu jr

      Hell, if Germany can take it…

  • DamOTclese2

    “Europe: DONE!”

    • Ardent

      HA! Indeed.

  • BosonStark

    I thought the cult wasn’t banned on the last round of strong cases because of some stupid technicality. I don’t see how this can cause more than a wrist slap.

    • Tony Ortega

      If you go back and read our story about the fraud conviction being upheld, Jonny interviewed a French legislator who said an additional case going against Scientology could result in the organization being banned from the country permanently.

      • Cat Daddy

        We cats have short attention spans, thanks for putting up with us.

        • Mooser

          I see a guillotine severing the wires on an e-meter!

          • TXCowgirl

            Off with your cans!

            • Mooser

              Yes! Offex-vous avec the cans-cans!

            • TXCowgirl

              Let them Eat Beans!

            • richelieu jr

              ..et un peu de riz, n’est ce pas?

            • TXCowgirl

              Vraiment!

            • TXCowgirl

              Et peut-être un burrito a la Fort Harrison

            • Mooser

              Pardon my French, if you will.

            • Natalia M

              . . .

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Everyone’s cracking me up on this thread.

          • Ardent

            Whole dumpsters of e-meters being fed into a vast industrial shredder while Miscavige is forced to watch.

        • Baby

          Yes and babies do too.. sigh ( Hi Cat.. ) Hi all.. I’m pooped

          • Cat Daddy

            Hi Baby

          • Ardent

            Hi Baby. Work exhausting?

            • Baby

              Coluuuuuuuuuuuumbo.. I am so out of shape my body continues to remind me daily.. but that said.. I love it..

              ( Not my body, my job) xox miss you baby

          • OrangySky

            Miss ya Baby.

            • Baby

              OH Orangy.. I miss you too.. It is so weird.. My hubby wants me to quit my job.. because he said that I was more fun hanging out on the bunker! ( Swear to God)

              I won’t quit.. but will try and spend more time here.. xo love baby

            • Casabeca

              Good to see you Baby, always looking for you in the halls and the Bunker cafeteria ;).

            • Baby

              I know honey.. sigh.. I was hanging out with Johnny at the Car Hop.. woo hoo..love me..

          • joan nieman

            Good to see you Baby!

            • Baby

              Hi sweetie.. thanks honey..been working hard! xoxo good seeing you too..smooches

      • Ardent

        The permanent part is particularly satisfying to contemplate. Imagine all the people no longer under threat.

    • Boson, Didn’t have time to go into this last night, but there may actually be two laws that could shut down Scientology in the event of a conviction in this revived case, one of them of course being the controversial About-Picard law. If you want more detail on how this could happen, have a look at this piece I wrote following the 2012 Paris appeal court confirmation of Scientology’s organised fraud conviction:
      http://infinitecomplacency.blogspot.com/2012/03/fallout.html
      What is not clear to me, however is whether the 2001 About-Picard law can apply to a case dating back to the late 1990s.
      The second law that might apply is the one that somehow got modified two weeks before the organised fraud trial of Scientology began in 2009 but preventing the sanction of dissolution against Scientology being applied. But that penalty, for an organisation convicted of organised fraud, has since been reinstated. This law dates back to 1994.

  • Ardent

    Wouldn’t it be delightful to have the whole cult banned in France! What a fantastic result! Is this ‘death by a thousand cuts’ for the evil organisation?

    • DamOTclese2

      If it’s banned then customers will have to meet in secret to scrape off their space cooties.

  • Jgg2012

    Has Bert Fields called them Nazis yet?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That’s gonna confuse Lamont Jefferson, won’t it?

      • Ardent

        The Nazi bit or the ‘forbidden forever in France’ bit?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Nazi’s and the blackhearts.

          • Ardent

            Arrrr! Perhaps it will induce enough cognitive dissonance for him to recuse himself from the case. that would be sweet.

          • richelieu jr

            I have all their records!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              45’s or 78?

            • richelieu jr

              33 1/3, just like DM’s IQ…

      • DamOTclese2

        Send Jefferson to France to fight this thing! 🙂

        • richelieu jr

          “Down with this sort of thing!”

          • Cat Daddy

            “Carefull now”

        • cs sarabia

          Wouldn’t have Franklin been a better choice?

      • cs sarabia

        Lamont Jefferson doesn’t have the intellectual rigor or the ethical backbone to care about or be confused by the meanings of Nazism, Facism, Stalinism, racist Gaulism, or the Clams. They’re all well within the purview of the Law to him as they are very well-financed to pay his $1,000/hr fees.

        Regardless of how sloppy Jefferson’s services for pay are, (Yes, London was where the stalking and harassment took place! Yes, a defense mechanism IS an ACTUAL diagnosis from the outdated and not-so-recently-discarded DSM IV-R!!!), he has a “resume name” which probably appeals to Miscavige.

        Miscavige is probably too ignorant, ill-informed, and isolated to understand that a good lawyer has more to offer than a rebuttal based on appearances.

        • Cat Daddy

          Wallace hasn’t either

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          This is no time for sensibilities and common sense! (but thank you, I agree)

      • OrangySky

        I thought it was Cedillo who referenced the Nazis?

  • KNMF

    This calls for a sternly worded COS declaration of butthurt, signed by fading scientology celebrities from Hollywood. The Danny Masterson clique alone, will rip France a thousand new assholes.

    • DamOTclese2

      This calls for a few remaining Scientology customers to dress up as Nazis and parade around some governmental office or newspaper in France while crying about their butthurtz.

      • Anonymous

        “…dress up as Nazis and parade around some governmental office or newspaper…”

        I have never EVER understood this tactic, even when I saw it happening with my own eyes.

        How could this EVER seem like a good idea?

        • DamOTclese2

          It only works when the people dressing up are actual Nazis! and even then they’re always out numbered by protesters. Yeah, what a stupid stunt.

          • Anonymous

            Utterly incomprehensible.

            • Ardent

              Anonymous, I think it is a result of the kind of magical thinking they surround themselves with. They simply fail to understand or accept the reality everyone else agrees on. If Philip K Dick could see this going down…I wish he could, and write about it. It IS incomprehensible to anyone here in the shared universe.

        • OrangySky

          Someone in Scientology tried to take a very misguided stab at “irony.”

          Irony is definitely not their strong suit.

          • Anonymous

            Agreed…irony is hard to see in an environment of fanaticism.

            This particular stunt was pulled several times…not quite meme strength, but defintiely multiple occasions, on several continents. There were many things wrong with it IMHO, not the least of which was that it was the Scientologists that were in the Nazi uniforms…which was confusing to not only the target against whom the protest OP was intended, but also to bystanders who witnessed it occurring.

            It always backfired and yet….was repeated as an action in serial fashion. Generally when that was the case…Hubbard was ordering it. I do not have any proof (or even evidence) that he was involved, but it fits a pattern of stupid that could not be overcome by common sense in the local environment into which the activity was ordered.

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        Might I suggest that they try burning a cross instead? Its still a well known form of bigotry, but its originally from part of the US, like Scientology. Plus, they would avoid people drawing incorrect conclusion as Nazis also had their own form of “wogs” of whom they also tried to “clear the planet”.

      • Science Doc

        They can come out of the closet and goose step their way until they run into someone dressed up in a police uniform.

    • richelieu jr

      Let ‘m come- We’ll kick his frizzy ass back to the 70s…

    • Robert Eckert

      Juliette Lewis taking on Jerry Lewis

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        HAH!

      • Ardent

        HA! Wonderful image.

  • Science Doc

    We’re not far from the point where banning them will be redundant. Banning in the US would be like making it illegal to sell to VHS tapes of “My Mother the Car”. In France it would be like making it illegal to sell bottles of Boone’s Farm Rotgut for 200 Euros. No one there is buying that crap at any price.

    Get the people out of the Hole, stop the human trafficking, and ensure decent benefits and conditions for the people who insist on staying in. The product is completely unattractive to healthy westerners in the year 2014.

    Take my internet privileges? My hard-earned cash? You want me to buy a heavy book, and Kindle is not an option? Space aliens? Engrams? Stop taking my statins? No medical cannabis? You want to put software on my computer?

    You and what army? Better luck flossing a rattlesnake.

    Not a chance. Like Jacqueline Bisset said in her Golden Globe speech last night, “Go to Hell and Don’t Come Back”.

  • Science Doc

    We’re not far from the point where banning them will be redundant. Banning in the US would be like making it illegal to sell to VHS tapes of “My Mother the Car”. In France it would be like making it illegal to sell bottles of Boone’s Farm Rotgut for 200 Euros. No one there is buying that crap at any price.

    Get the people out of the Hole, stop the human trafficking, and ensure decent benefits and conditions for the people who insist on staying in. The product is completely unattractive to healthy westerners in the year 2014.

    Take my internet privileges? My hard-earned cash? You want me to buy a heavy book, and Kindle is not an option? Space aliens? Engrams? Stop taking my statins? No medical cannabis? You want to put software on my computer?

    You and what army? Better luck flossing a rattlesnake.

    Not a chance. Like Jacqueline Bisset said in her Golden Globe speech last night, “Go to Hell and Don’t Come Back”.

    • Artoo45

      I’m so glad you came out of retirement. The My Mother The Car analogy really made my day.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I’m still trying to figure out how you floss a rattlesnake. I don’t know, but it made me laugh.

      • Ardent

        Ashamed to say, I liked that show – but I was only a little kid…My parents would rapidly leave the room when it came on. I could never understand why. Now I do.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    The importance of the case continuing, is because Scientology’s management, in fact Watchdog Committee Member for ABLE will absolutely continue to press ALL of the Scientology “front groups” to continue inserting Hubbard’s “secular” (at least France recognizes “religious” claimed “tech” when Scientologists choose to instead dodge and call their “church” tech as secular, very confusing, and just par for the American founder of Scientology’s behavior, to pick and choose to call his “tech” in whatever way suits him); and for this reason, YES, a case against whatever Scientology continues to do, and they WILL continue to operate on dead Hubbard’s ‘scriptures’, because Watchdog Committee and the Exec Strata are USA based top management bodies [which by the way, will outlast Miscavige, and both these currently decimated and in-operational two top councils are still on the books, and are Hubbard’s long term administrative leaders to keep pushing his “scriptures” about pushing his “tech” into society!

    So yes, yes, yes, EU governments and lawyers, YES, Scientology will always keep plugging away, because that is their scriptures. Which means that EU government lawyers always being vigilant and legally stopping Scientology, in keeping with EU country laws, YES, the EU governements are right to deny Scientology (Hubbard the supreme con man religion starting fraudster) their cake!

    So yes, good on the EU governments and legal systems that can effectively shut down, this American “religion” founder’s dodging typical tactics to slip his ideas into society.

    If Scientology ever could produce the spectacular “OT” (superpowers) spiritual results, that would be one thing.

    But Scientology does NOT and can NOT, and has never produced real superpeople “OT” soul powered people, so fundamentally, Scientology, Hubbard’s whole enchilada, is a fraud!

    The human to human contact and placebo effect, and encouragement and fellowship, and co-help and support Scientologists give one another in their lives (minus the rip off fundraising that empties their wallets, and also their minds), fine.

    Good for France and good for the people there in official positions and good for people like Roger Gonnet and Jonny Jacobsen!!

    Chuck Beatty
    ex Sea Org, 1975-2003
    866-XSEAORG toll free advice phone line in the US

  • DamOTclese2

    Bring back Madame Guillotine!

    Avec, Monsewer Miscavige, all over I am looking somewhere for you!

  • richelieu jr

    I wonder what Karen KaPow! is thinking right now?

    • SandiCorrena

      I wonder if she has the rank to think?

    • pronoia

      Bitter de-frocked apostates posing as teachers on the fringes of the Atlantic.

    • DamOTclese2

      “I’m not getting paid enough for this” which is followed by “In fact I’m not getting paid anything for this!”

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      That it is really uncomfortable sleeping on the floor under that desk in the RPF trailer, and she is pretty sure Marc Yager is the one who keeps farting?

      • OrangySky

        !!!! 🙂 !!!! (<<< exclamation point tech in action)

    • DamOTclese2

      Oh! Maybe the stupid PR clown is thinking “What are France’s crimes? WHAT ARE FRANCE’S CRIMES?!”

      • richelieu jr

        Well, if she wondering about our crimes, the list is long, unfortunately? But REAL crimes not that Scilon nonsense!

      • N. Graham

        How many babies has France raped today?

    • Ardent

      Does she think?

  • Galactic Patrol

    This is most excellent news. Everyone here should be rejoicing at this breaking story. It is the second of the One-Two Punch for Scientology in France and most assuredly will help in getting Scientology eventually kicked out of France permanently.

    To any nay-sayers, consider this: whether this particular case at this particular time is the death blow for Scientology in France is irrelevant. The fact that it is happening now, when there is already growing media attention on the Rathbun case, only drives more nails into the Scientology coffin.

    What we want right now is alot of media attention on this case, combined with what is already happening with Rathbun’s case, to raise more public awareness of Scientology being on the ropes. This increased attention will make it that much harder for those still in to continue to lie to themselves about how much “wonderful expansion” is going on and they will question more and they will end up leaving. Every single bit counts. And this story may just be a bit, but it’s a very good bit indeed!

    • No it’s not! It’s a disaster! When the Marcabians return you’ll be begging Scientology to save your wog ass, all of you.

      Much more of this religious persecution and all of us Scientologists, all 12 million of us, are going to pack up and leav Teegeeack to its well-deserved fate. Then when the DC8 returns we’ll see who’s laughing.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Boeing?

    • Ardent

      Absolutely agreed, Galactic Patrol. As I said earlier, ‘death of a thousand cuts’, I hope.

  • DamOTclese2

    I would love to be the one selling lottery tickets to see who gets to be the one to inform David Miscavige of these developments. 🙂 I would buy 1,000 tickets myself for the chance if only to watch him clutch his chest and start searching for his blood pressure medication. 🙂

    • TXCowgirl

      You wouldn’t have to sell the tickets. The monies would automatically be deducted from the Sea Org-er’s measly wages. 1) Have the winning ticket, 2) tell Davey-boy the news, 3) go directly to the Hole.

      • DamOTclese2

        Darn it, I want to be the one that informs him! Maybe I can get a FAX number for his alcohol room, get in before everyone else.

        • Ardent

          I just pictured a glittering, tasteless gold and chandelier ridden ‘Liberace’ style room, with every shelf covered in either bottles of fine whiskey and cut-crystal glasses. And his royal Arseness stumbling in, tearing at his tie, and reaching for the nearest bottle.

  • Miles Biondo

    Zut alors! Do you mean to leave me stranded halfway up zis bridge?

    • DamOTclese2

      It would mean that if there really are a few remaining customers, they would have to go Indie, or they can do what everyone else does: Download all the “secret” documents off the Internet for free and continue “up the bridge” that way.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist
    • DamOTclese2

      They need to be wearing little chapeaus. 🙂 (LOL, My French sucks limes.)

      • Sandy

        Me too. 3 years in High School and I can barely count to 10. Pathetic!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Obersver is the Shoopstress around here. I am sure she will come up with the proper attire.

      • N. Graham

        Or berets.

    • Observer

      They’ll be forced to call them Theta Fries now.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Only On-Sauce Fries from now on! Super Fries all the way.

        • joan nieman

          Lol!

    • Science Doc

      I sent some French fries with Parmesan and truffle oil to my pie hole last night. Don’t think they’re coming back, even for funerals.

    • Jenstnick

      They will hereto for be referred to as Xenu fries

  • Well this is guaranteed to put Davey in a mood. Hope he doesn’t take it out on Guillaume Lesevre :(.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Guillaume probably doesn’t know his name by now, much less his native country.

      • OrangySky

        Might be time to drag Guillaume out of the Hole (Mike Rinder style) to deal with the “flap” in France.

        Naw. Remember what happened the last time Davey let an exec out of the Hole to work on a project?

        The EP of that decision is Mike Rinder’s blog – with a higher ALEXA rating that Scientology dot org.

        Guillaume will probably get his rice and beans rations cut and an extra slap, just for being French.

  • Couch_Incident

    Does the Freewinds call on any French West Indies ports? Be nice to see its travels restricted.

    • Science Doc

      The one time I stumbled upon that scow she was tied up at one of the Dutch ABC islands.

      • Robert Eckert

        They don’t seem to leave the Dutch Antilles any more.

    • Cat Daddy

      BOOKMARK AND FOLLOW

      http://www.marinetraffic.com/ais/details/ships/354993000

      Voyage Related Info (Last Received)

      Draught
      5.7m

      Destination
      WILLEMSTAD

      ETA
      2014-01-14 00:15 UTC

      Info Received
      2014-01-14 02:06 (9 ago)

  • media_lush

    aaah, zoze frenchies, allez les blues!

    “Parents raised the alarm after learning that students were being made to do cleaning duties at the school”… there’s one thing the French seem to have a real bugbear about is doing “work” for nothing…. I’ll try and track down the story that perfectly explains this I read a few days ago… in the mean time:

    have a new post up http://scientologybollocks.blogspot.co.uk

    • media_lush

      “A pub in Brittany has been fined by officials, who accused it of using punters as “undeclared labour” when one was seen taking empty glasses back to the bar. The social security agency URSSAF in Brittany, is demanding that the Mamm-Kounifl music-bar in the town of Locmiquélic pay a €9,000 fine after accusing the owners of using the customers as “undeclared labour” or “travaile dissimulé” as it’s called in French”

      …. refresh for full story

      …. see what I mean about how snippy ze frenchies can get about this kind of thing
      … just got the original source http://www.thelocal.fr/20131218/service-au-bar-lands-french-bar-in-hot-water

      • Ardent

        Travaile dissimulé, is the PERFECT description of the ‘religious’ work SeaOrg members are forced to do. Well found, Media!

    • Slave labor isn’t slave labor when it’s for a religious cause.

  • Observer

    Okay, several hours later and in a different thread, here it is.

    We literal-minded folk live in a world all our own.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Creepy good!

    • Science Doc

      Waiting causes itchy you know what’s, and scratching is a no no per ho’ number one.

      • Observer

        Snort!

    • Mark

      I am now going to have nightmares about e-meters in fishnet stockings…

      • Observer

        Excellent!

        • Mark

          Sadist!

          • Observer

            0:-)

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            We’re keeping an eye on this one, Mark.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Scientology can help you with that.

    • Observer, you make me angry with these shoops. Real angry!

    • Ardent

      And what the hell does ‘Mac Daddy’ mean, anyway?

      • Ten Aug

        The ultimate pimp… As in “handler” of prostitutes… If you’re a rapper you can get away with the term as an accolade within a lyrical verse.

        Grant is not a rapper nor lyrical. Rather he inadvertently compared his swallowing of David Miscavige’s latest ecclesiastical release as being the ultimate prostitution experience. Which is appropriate really.

        • Ardent

          That’s really quite hilarious! Thanks. (Smiling)

    • aquaclara

      Oh, this is excellent!

    • joan nieman

      That’s fantastic OBS!

  • France has a long history of not being fond of hypnotists, and using their courts to root them out of their country.

    Franz Anton Mesmer (1734-1815) was one of the first hypnotists who “was a German physician with an interest in astronomy, who theorised that there was a natural energetic transference that occurred between all animated and inanimate objects that he called animal magnetism, sometimes later referred to as mesmerism. The theory attracted a wide following between about 1780 and 1850, and continued to have some influence until the end of the century.[1] In 1843 the Scottish physician James Braid proposed the term hypnosis for a technique derived from animal magnetism; today this is the usual meaning of mesmerism.”

    He even had his own Tom Cruise celebrity Mesmerist: Wolfie Mozart!

    For more see the wikipedia entry:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Mesmer

    France ran Anton Mesmer out on a rail, just as they are FINALLY doing to L Ron Hubbard and Captain Blackheart Miscavige.

    I believe that Hubbard studied Anton Mesmer’s schtick. And I am sure that he was nervous when the Paris Org was set up for him. But he knew that his con was the long con, and that he would die long before they caught on to him, leaving Captain Blackheart holding the bag.

    Well done, France.

    Vive la logique et la pensée critique!

    Alanzo

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Happy to see you, Alanzo. and mesmerized at the history.

    • media_lush

      I believe his great grandson, Tony Le Mesmer, is still working today …..

      http://youtu.be/Cu4lB0DJXIc

      • cs sarabia

        Alan Partridge es un DIOS!

        Es todo.

    • Captain Howdy

      Allo Alanzo.

      • Allo, Howdy.

        Right bloody pissup we’ve got ‘ere.

        Focking frogs’ve got us on the run!

        Alanzo

    • Just wait until we get Tom Cruise to come to France to testify! The French will be begging us to take their money. Begging us!

    • Robert Eckert

      Long time no see! Hope all is well with you.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Good to see you here again, Alanzo!

    • PoisonIvyHerself

      Je suis extatique!

      Very nice to see you, Alanzo. Miss your thoughtful, insightful and poignant posts.

    • DeElizabethan

      Really nice to see you here again. Keep visiting, will you?

    • aquaclara

      Welcome back, Alonzo. Thank you for the interesting post.
      I very much hope France continues to be fed up with the antics of conmen.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Kim Jong-un is outraged over this, I hear, and has pledged sanctuary for David Miscavige. He also has offered a place in the North Korean gulags for any follower of Miscavige seeking a quality of life equal to the one he/she has enjoyed in the US and France.

    • Observer

      Davey should take him up on it. He’d be just about average height there.

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17774210

      • DodoTheLaser

        And they can play basketball with Dennis Rodman there and live happily ever after.

      • Ardent

        And apparently the food is about as good.

        • Captain Howdy

          I hear the dogs eat well.

          • joan nieman

            Indeed they do!!

  • Cat Daddy
    • DeElizabethan

      Sweet!!

    • Casabeca

      Elle est tres belle, tres, tres jeune ;).

  • Mark

    If Niblet Shortarse’s “speeches” are now due no human agency, but generated on the ‘Shermanspeak II’ gibberish-synthesiser, maybe Grant Cardone’s “thought-processes” are explicable too? (refresh):

    • Science Doc

      I tend to agree that this crap would be really easy to program.

    • Cat Daddy

      upvote the douchebag

      http://i.imgur.com/PdJs3Zv.png

    • Damn, that guy looks like twice the Douchebag I am.

    • media_lush

      I tweeted Joan Rivers the pic of her and this douche and pointed her to my site which is pretty much devoted to him today

      • Cat Daddy

        You Sir are full of Win

  • Okay, now you have done it. Now I’m annoyed. Real annoyed. Right here. Right now. You got it.

  • Science Doc

    Reputations aside, the French have always been very nice to me. While Berlin and London are two of my favorite cities, the people of Paris have always seemed to be kinder and more engaged, yet I speak enough German to get by and no French whatsoever. I get the fact they don’t like the cult, and I see that the Germans aren’t far behind. The Brits tend to suffer in silence.

    • Sandy

      My company (B4 i retired), had a plant outside of Paris and I went many times. Nicest peeps in the world. Altho, gotta say, one shop owner in Paris was so rude, I was totally taken aback! Such an American reaction…!

      • Casabeca

        I agree, very kind most of the time, one memorable jerk and lots of sweethearts.

    • OrangySky

      Only in America are we so f-ed up that we tiptoe around anything that even has the whiff of a “religion”, allowing those in it incredible leeway with our laws.

  • France? Is that next to Texas?

    • Science Doc

      No. You are thinking of Nextas.

    • OT8squared

      Captain Blackheart has never been to France or done any business there. In fact, France is just an implant, it doesn’t actually exist. (What kind of city would name their Cathedral after a midwest Catholic college famous for football?) Therefore, he should not be deposed in this lawsuit. (If that isn’t a strong enough argument, I can cite some more rejected proposals from an outdated diagnostic manual.)

    • Anonymous

      YSCOHB.

    • valshifter

      I would love to see Tommy D. ranting in French TV to a French reporter, “am angry really really angry”
      je suis fache vremont vremont fache.

  • media_lush
    • Hingle McCringleberry

      At least they’re Equal Opportunity family destroyers. I heard somewhere she was WAY in and he was all “well, as long as she shuts up around the house about it then whats a few mil for a bullshit school. . .”

      We should do a Kickstarter or something for reward money for the dude (or lady!) that knocks out Doober McStooge and brings proof. I had a dream the other night that I ran into him in a mall. Shit got done. And was real. So here you go SO or Scns with nothing left too lose! Got to be a lot of you! Think “When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong” from Chappelle Show and just sub in an RTC meeting. WOO TANG!!!!!!!

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        Terrible idea to start Kickstarter. Money isn’t the answer. Bad PR is taking them down, folks.

    • Ardent

      Hi Media, Just read your current blog with interest. Enjoyed the tangle Travolta’s ex-laywer got into. But I was particularly interested in the news about Bella and Connor Cruise. Is it possible Top Crumb is smelling the rot inside his pleasure-dome? Anyway, thanks for the link.

    • PoisonIvyHerself

      You got it right about Jada being the more hung ho Clam of the family. But once again, you gotta stop with the hyperbole, Lush! Will Smith’s career isn’t going anywhere for a long, long time. Please look at his foreign box office and pre-sale numbers. He’d have to do three more “After Earth’s” in a row for it to make a dent. And remember, in general, the public doesn’t associate him with Scientology because he’s always disavowed it when asked. Of course, it’s great that your blog and others keep educating people on his/her association with the cult. Personally, I think Will could succumb to pressure to leave because his long-term business partner and others who surround him are smart and sane (and not Scilons!), and he actually listens to them.

      • media_lush

        “hyperbole” is my middle name

        properly used in the right places it’s a very effective tool…. I like to think I know what I’m doing

        • PoisonIvyHerself

          Okay, I get it, I think…but truly, factually, statistically, TC and WS are going to be doing just fine regardless of CO$, for some time to come. I don’t like to perpetuate something that isn’t factually correct.

          Doesn’t mean the perfect storm – a leak of some dark secrets, another couch incident – couldn’t change that – look what happened to Mel Gibson and how fast he fell. But for now, Scientology isn’t hurting either one in the big picture. Tragically. It’s all about the overseas markets.

          • media_lush

            “Scientology isn’t hurting either one in the big picture”….

            disagree…. IMO it’s hurting Cruise big time…. MI5 people panicked and put out an exact release date for it , Dec 15th 2014 if I remember (no one does that)…. yet no one’s signed on for it, apart from that tame director… I’m still going out on a limb that it ain’t gonna happen, at least not with Cruise as the lead.

            …. and I guess we’ll agree to disagree when it come to reliance on overseas markets; I say that Hollywood is only really interested in the domestic figures when it comes to green lighting a tent opener sequel and when stars of Cruises’ calibre hit red in domestic markets their goose is cooked. …. and if you notice I reserve my hyperbole for sites other than this one.

            • PoisonIvyHerself

              Cruise’s reputation has taken a huge dive in domestic markets and more savvy places like the UK & France, but that is not where the big money is being made. It’s overseas. 80% of tentpole money is made there. You are correct to assume that Cruise’s fast-declining US popularity is a harbinger of his ultimate decline. So is the fact that he’s an aging action hero, by the way, who won’t let go of that identity and move into character roles. But he’s got a long, long way to fall. It’s all about the dollars when it comes to studios. And the data is irrefutable – Tom is still bringing in the bacon big time.

              And you’re quite misinformed about the “no one does that” re: putting out a release date for MI5/ tentpole feature. ‘Everybody’ does that! It’s absolutely SOP – release dates are how marketing schedules are made. This is how the studio promotion machine works And ‘everybody’ also changes/pushes back their release dates on a regular basis. It’s a complicated chess game that’s coordinated with the release dates of competitor’s films, or disappointing preview screenings, or simply delays in post production or need for reshoots. And MI5 people are not “panicking.” MI4 was a monster hit worldwide and the franchise is still considered a reliable cash cow. As for Cruise not being in the lead, there was talk even before MI4 that Cruise wanted to transition out of the franchise – hence the arrival of Jeremy Renner who would be ‘groomed’ as successor. After “Hurt Locker”, it looked like Renner could be ‘The Guy’ but when they dropped him into Bourne with a big thud, it seems as if his future as ‘action hero’ is in question. This, the studio still wants Cruise in the lead, again, because he is an instant worldwide draw where the REAL money is made – overseas.

            • media_lush

              The cut of the overseas market is significantly less… as, well, the lions share goes to the oversea cinema chains. I’ve been to Mipcom a couple of times and I was specifically curious about funding and asked, when I could, about where funding money came from in this day and age as we always saw dodgy blinged up Russians walking around the corridors. And I stand behind what I said that decisions for funding are made on domestic returns… NOT on overseas; so we’ll agree to disagree on that one.

              I have never seen a “specific” date given for a movie that has barely begun pre-production; granted they’ll say scheduled for a fall, summer, christmas etc release… but never an actual date. There was an amusing (for me) little piece awhile back where this very point was bought up to Simon Pegg and he raised his eyebrows and said “oh, really?”

              Please point me to where it says these guys are actually signed on; it’s only “rumoured” as far as I know. And Christmas 2015?…. over a year for post production?…. er…. don’t think so.

            • PoisonIvyHerself

              Lush. I love your blog and your insight and humor. I am sharing this info with you not to “agree to disagree” with you but to give you factual info from inside the industry. I am nobody important but I & Mr. Ivy (far more important than me) share the same agents & managers & lawyers not to mention close friendships & collegial working relationships with many A listers in TV & film both in front of and behind the camera. Collectively we’ve got 50 years of this experience between us and we work in this industry every day. I’m not trying to prove you wrong but just inform you. This is fact-checking, not opinion. I don’t like misinformation about my business or people I work with to be spread on fact-based blogs like Tony’s.

              I don’t know who you “asked” at MIPCOM, but MIPCOM does not deal in big budget studio films. It rarely deals even in high-quality indies. The dodgy blinged up Russians are par for the course at MIPCOM, as at AFM…Eurorash (or US-trash) trying to dredge up financing for independent films and distribution deals from overseas money. Even Cannes has a little of that sleaze factor going on around the outskirts. What happens at MIPCOM is not a reflection of the business of making studio pictures ( or even high-profile indies) in Hollywood.

              I was wrong on the 80%. From your very own BBC recently: “According to recent figures from the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), almost 70 per cent of the studios’ annual revenue from box office now comes from international markets.” http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20130620-is-china-hollywoods-future However, when you look at the totals on BoxOfficeMojo (very cheap to subscribe to), you’ll see some films gross even higher.

              To understand this fundamental change in the economics of Hollywood, which has affected me & my spouse and many of our friends, and to understand why actors like Cruise and Smith will continue to have power even as their domestic reputations are sullied, I suggest you read Lynda Obst’s new book about the current state of filmmaking crazy.
              In the meantime, here are some articles on where studios actually make their profits: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/magazine/how-does-the-film-industry-actually-make-money.html?_r=0

              http://www.economist.com/node/18178291

              http://www.forbes.com/profile/tom-cruise/

              http://www.businessinsider.com/overseas-audiences-helping-us-box-office-2013-3

              Hard figures for 2013: http://boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?view2=worldwide&yr=2013&p=.htm

              http://www.boxoffice.com/latest-news/2014-01-03-warner-bros-posts-record-year-overseas

              As for the idea that studios don’t set release dates years in advance, you are again misinformed! Usually studios will start by setting a rough date like “Christmas 2015” or “Summer 2014”, but soon after they’ll set a target day and date for their marketing department to be able to get working. These marketing budgets are in the hundreds of millions by themselves, which is why they are laid out like military campaigns WELL in advance of production, even. Your dismay over a movie allowing a year for post production? First off, a year of post production is about average for a special-effects driven film these days. Avatar was nearly two full years in post. In addition, more than just post goes on during that year. Marketing needs the film in advance for a million things, from test screenings, to MPAA ratings application, to overseas versions (dubbing, censoring, etc. etc.) Marketing on the ground campaigns begin months in advance.

              Also, directors and actors need to know release dates for their reps to sketch out availability for promotional appearances, which are often part of their contracts. Actors like Tom Cruise give 150% to promote their films and always arrange for gaps in their schedule around openings.

              Re: MI5 – it’s going into production soon. Check IMDB and IMDB pro. Also, the December 5 issue of Production Weekly (Trade Mag – need a description) announces filming to begin in early 2014 (no hard dates yet.) It has a release date of 12/24 in Hong Kong and 12/25 in the US, 2015.

              http://screenrant.com/batman-superman-mission-impossible-5-start-dates-2014-2015/

              http://screencrush.com/tags/mission-impossible-5/

              For other films that give day and date release dates well in advance, try: http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Fifth-Bourne-Movie-Gets-Summer-2015-Release-Date-40532.html

              http://news.moviefone.com/2012/07/10/the-hunger-games-mockingjay-release-date/

              http://www.movieinsider.com/m12312/x-men-apocalypse/

              http://www.movieinsider.com/m11902/batman-superman/

              Hope this helps.

            • media_lush

              I’m ex BBC, had my own production company with client ranging from British Airway to MTV… I also have a lot of friends still in the business and the PR world also.

              I’m still saying that none of the actors I mentioned are attached and asked you to provide a link… all I get is “rumoured”… no confirmed.

              A lot of the stuff being put out concerning Cruise is from that paid for PR web site the clams use. I mean, who in their right mind is going to have a Christmas release in Asia in 2014 and then wait a whole year before a US release….. really?

              …. lets just wait and see how MI5 progresses for now.

            • PoisonIvyHerself

              Whatever you say.

            • PoisonIvyHerself

              EDIT – The release – this is from the studio – is Dec 24 2015 in Hong Kong and Dec 25 2015 in USA, what’s strange about that?

            • media_lush

              my bad, misread

            • PoisonIvyHerself
            • media_lush

              given this is over a month old you’d think imdb would have him as confirmed rather than rumoured

            • PoisonIvyHerself

              Have you ever tried to change anything on IMDB? Generally they are up to the minute with the studios, you’re right – but I’ve also had trouble getting them to update info manually.

            • PoisonIvyHerself
            • media_lush

              I’ll look at this later….only had 3 hours sleep last night…. anyway, my prediction is that Cruise will “experience” some kind of accident on location or set and the film will be put on hold.

            • PoisonIvyHerself

              According to Televisuals, you might be able to drop by and visit Tom on the set!

              http://www.televisual.com/news-detail/Mission-Impossible-5-gears-up-for-UK-shoot_nid-3702.html

          • joan nieman

            Poison, I respect your opinion as you portray a good knowledge of the film industry. As you say, things could change by a particular incident e.g. Mel Gibson’s rant. Anything is possible.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Did they ever find those guys who were up to no good and started making trouble in his neighborhood?

        • PoisonIvyHerself

          Yeah. They’re hanging out at the LA Celebrity Centre.

          • media_lush

            I think you missed it

  • Sibs

    Really off-topic but something I’ve been thinking about with reading Marc’s book and having read Jenna’s. Maybe you’d call it a cognition.

    Around a year ago I was workshopping a drama pilot I was writing for a class about a teenage boy in Redneckville who starts a metal band as his ticket to get out (sick of being bullied and sick of being tethered in backwardsville, etc). And I got a note from one of my classmates who asked me if he wanted to get out so bad, why didn’t he just take out a loan, drop out of school, and leave.

    I guess this popped back into my head today because that note pissed me off on a deeper level, because – I know that world isn’t as crazy horrible as the Sea Org, it’s gotta be the same in the Scientology – even if things get really bad, it just doesn’t occur to a person to leave. And a world like Scientology that’s so isolated, it’s gotta be about “making it go right” and coping because you have nowhere else to go.

    Marc wrote (about Int): “The few that got away we would never see again. We would hear rumors about how they were in jail or living on the street. The ones who were caught would be made dishwashers or assigned to a job that no one would ever want to do or get assigned to the Rehabilitation Project Force.”

    Sorry this is rambly. I’m still trying to put myself into the mindset of a Sea Ogre, am I on the right track?

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      I’m sorry, this is not the response you’re looking for, but about that note: a teenager would never be approved for a loan just because he wants to get the hell out of wherever he’s living.

      • Sibs

        THANK YOU! Sheesh. Sorry, yeah, totally off topic, and I have nothing against the person who gave me that note.

        • Miss Tia

          Yep, I was reading thru some comments and I was gonna say the same. No way he’d be approved for a loan! Therefore, note invalid! 😀

    • woodrose

      I’d think it has to make a big difference whether or not the SeaOrger is a born-in. For the second generation, who join as teens and know nothing outside of Scientology, leaving has to be the biggest, scariest decision a person could imagine. They will lose everything they’ve ever known, including their family still in the cult. Whoa. Hard to contemplate.

      For those who are raised outside of Scientology and join as adults, I would think they would have memories of life outside the Scilons, and have family to go back to. For them, leaving would be scary mainly because of going home broke and starting over financially. Still it wouldn’t be as overwhelming a prospect as for the born-ins.

      It’s a sad situation for the born-ins, heartbreaking to think about. When we see the Sunday pics of young people in the SeaOrg on flyers, I feel so sorry for them. I assume most were raised in scientology and got the hard sell to join SeaOrg as soon as they were old enough, without even being aware of what else they could do in this world.

      • Ardent

        Absolutely, Woodrose. I certainly got that from Jenna’s book. The sheer fear of losing everything, especially, in her case, her husband (thank goodness he, too, held strong and fast!). I think the support system for those making the ‘big blow’ is in place, yes? Still, I agree it must be very upsetting for second-generation folks.
        I have often wondered (but do NOT need an answer for obvious reasons – yes I’m looking at YOU OSA-bot, in your smelly room) if there are safe-houses for the escapees. I hope so. They sure would need a LOT of warmth and help and sensitivity.

    • OrangySky

      Derek B would be a good one to answer this.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    With all the headlines already this year and it’s only January, we need to help Captain Braveheart with his embarrassing lack of official international scientology spokesperson. How can we have a Reckoning without one?

    I’d like to kick off a campaign to elect Grant Cardone for the job. Captain Braveheart deserves the very best and what is Grant but the bestest! The Captain needs you Grant. You’re the Only One who will do this job right! You’re the only one who ranks! I wonder if he’ll accept?

    Grant Cardone for Scientology Spokesman!

    http://i.imgur.com/U34wtCD.jpg

    • media_lush

      seconded with lulz

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        I also second the motion, with one caveat. Wife has a FUPA in this pic. Either the cops are PTS or she’s got a Withhold. . .

    • pronoia

      Correction. Not even January 15th.

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Seriously? Animal Control showed up before that picture could be snapped?

    • Ardent

      Can you imagine the cheerfully insane blather that would pour out of Cardone’s pie-hole? Oy!

    • pronoia
    • Sir_Real

      Is Grant C. a short arse like the Delusional Meanie?

    • OrangySky

      Thought it was Captain Blackheart?

  • Spackle Motion

    I wonder if this is related to the French government being very touchy and cracking down on their lackluster educational rules:

    http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21586572-state-primary-schools-are-abandoning-their-four-day-week-weird-about-wednesday

  • MaxSpaceman

    The Cult of $cientology Inc. The Progressive Elimination of $cientology Upper Management. Hemet, California. 2004.

    — The Beginning of The Hole —

    Describing what happened, Mike Rinder began relating Upper Management’s tasks, interacting with Captain David Miscavige, in this instance, the example being the speeches that each Exec. would deliver at Events. Up until that time, various Execs delivered speeches at each Event. [These can be found on the Interwebz.]

    As Mike Rinder tells it: “. . . Guillaume Lesevre, Marc Yager, Mike Rinder, Kurt Weiland, Ray Mitoff . . . Anyway these Events [the 5 big celebration Tent Events, wherever Venue they may be in] were always like a, a source of massive . . . flap. Miscavige was ‘never’ happy with ‘anything’ that ‘anyone’ ever did [each speech] at those Events – except for himself. So- and you know these speeches that were being delivered were being written for weeks and weeks and they’d get sent to him and he’d reject them, and he’d rewrite them and then he’d reject them again, then he’d rewrite them. And then, then he wouldn’t like how people delivered the speech. And then it would be like, Oh- you went too slow! I didn’t have enough time left!

    “And so, after that event- myself, Guillaume and Yager, Kurt Weiland and Ray Mitoff, he’s like- Fuck You All! You’re All a Bunch of Cock-sucking Assholes! Security!!

    ” ‘Take ’em back to the Base and lock ’em up in OGH!’ So- like, we were sent back to the Base before the end of the night. And put in Old Gilman House. And told that we were persona non grata. And that we were all SPs and we had to do A through E, which are the steps for a Suppressive Person.

    “And then- what happened was- at some point along the line we got moved out of OGH because more people kept getting added to this List of Suppressives that Miscavige had now- uncovered. The entirety of the top level of Scientology management was now- all SPs.

    “So we all got put in this ‘A through E Room’ is what it was called, the A to E room, where the real SPs were. But pretty soon- that filled up so much that it took over half the double-wide trailers: the WDC Conference Room and what had been the A through E Room. And it sort of expanded out [filling the rest of the space.]

    “That’s the time around when ‘The Musical Chairs’ happened. In that location.”

    So began — The Hole.

    • Silence of the Clams

      …and so begins a new Hole. But this one will find Captain Miscarriage scampering to find a chair to sit in. I really think the jig is up. Lawyers are finding workable arguments. Existing depositions are piling up. Ex members feel more willing to speak out. The volume of inside intelligence into this cult continues to grow and grow.

      Thank you for sharing this story. I hope the individuals who suffered through it and managed to get out feel a little solace in the recent wins. It’s “clear” there will be many more. And January isn’t even over…

    • Ardent

      Oh man. Just like I thought: locked up on a whim. Thanks for the post. Everything about this cult is creepy and an affront to human decency.

  • OT8squared

    We are the most ethical organization in the world. You can tell by how we always try to sneak our materials into the school curriculum under the radar. Being upfront about intentions is wog morality.

    • Ardent

      And then there’s that, OT8squared. The insidious nature of the beast. Hiding behind names – the shell game. Three-Card-Monte with your soul. Such amoral swine.

  • Ardent

    DamOTclese2 raised an interesting point down the thread a while ago. I wonder how many of us are here in the Bunker, over all? It is possible we number anywhere close to actual members of the cult in, say the Eastern US. Or Australia (that’s probably easy). I don;t expect an actual answer, but the notion is fascinating. If you consider people who are ‘members’ of other anti-sci posts like Mike Rinder’s Blog, and exscientologykids, and others (why we protest?) the numbers must be pretty large, and growing every day. I poked my head up several months a go after a fairly long lurk – and it seems we welcome someone new at least once a week. Just a general throw-open question. Any thoughts?

    • InterestedObserver12

      I’d be very interested in knowing how many of us are out here – and by “us” I mean people who dedicated ourselves to $cientology at some point in our lives but who have since left, after learning beyond doubt that we were taken in by an elaborate con. My definition of “us” purposefully excludes “independent Scientologists” who trace the failures of the cult back no further than LRH’s death and Miscavage’s take-over. Does the Bunker have such a list or know of one, Tony? I have no fear of the cult and would happily add my name and CV.

      • Ardent

        Don’t you worry about ‘fair game’? I would! I’m a never in, and still quite paranoid about the cult – but then I have NEVER trusted them since I first experienced the obvious BS firsthand.

      • InterestedObserver12

        Shortly after I left 25 years ago I did a one-man show that revealed all my dirt – and earned me great reviews and several awards. The cult has nothing on me that I haven’t already admitted to. F ’em.

        • Ardent

          Ah. Bravo!

      • Hubbub

        Coincidentally, I read about an ex list yesterday:

        https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/big-list-of-thousands-of-exes-who-have-spoken-out.57290/

        By the way, congrats on being out. your success and your fearlessness!

    • DodoTheLaser

      “I wonder how many of us are here in the Bunker, over all?”

      A map of the internet from 2005.

      • Ardent

        Hehe. Good one, DoDo. OT, ever see the amazing 3-d voyage through the known universe by, I think, JPL? I’m sure it is on YouTube. Incredible!

        • DodoTheLaser

          No, but I will. Thanks.

  • Slappy

    What would be the ideal battle-plan to ensure the termination of Scientology, in its present form, by the end of 2014? How about a campaign directed at practicing Scientologists to confront the overwhelming online “knowledge reports” from former Scientologists. The campaign could be called: “Look for Yourself”

    • Ardent

      I think it would be very difficult to wage an effective campaign without some serious finical backing. The truth itself is, as we know, easy enough to find, and prove. I would imagine in an ideal world, a series of short, informative TV spots, at all times of day. The ‘Look for Yourself’ spots could focus on the real people, with provable simple points that would be above reproach (any lawsuit would lose).
      I can imagine many TV ads that might gut the cult as far as public opinion is concerned – getting the point across to SeaOrg and other completely brainwashed (sorry Tony) members of the cult would be very difficult because they only watch controlled TV as a rule, so far as I can gather. (Jenna Hill mentioned being ‘allowed’ to watch some Dharma and Greg, once).
      If anti-Sci ;whales’ could be convinced to give to a real, responsible and answerable organisation that would set about telling ONLY the truth in TV spots, I think that could help break the back of the cult, at least in the US, where it seems to be most dangerous and is headquartered. Just an opinion – and some heavy wishful thinking. I’ve actually lain in bed daydreaming a LOT of these scenarios!

      • dmslappyface

        Thank you for your thoughtful response. We share the same daydreams. 🙂

        • Ardent

          Cheers. Now to find a very generous patron, set up a board, and go get ’em.

          • Free Minds, Free Hearts

            Ardent lay off, why are you so eager to get money? This is your second post on the topic. We don’t need another greedy scam, could never match the cult in that! This cult will fall on its own.

            • Graham

              The cult thrives on resistance. Funding some kind of anti-$ci campaign would be playing right into Slappy’s hands, giving him a visible enemy he can show to the faithful. As you say FMFH, the cult’s being taken down very effectively by The Captain’s own mistakes.

            • Ardent

              Look, please read the question, and then my answer, which is a scenario – a daydream. I never once ask for anything. Please calm down. Wouldn’t you like to see the TV putting the cult in it’s place? All I was saying, and trying to set up a reasonable answer to dmslappyface’s question. Ok?

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        No need for money. The interwebz are free. The cult is being taken down by Captain David Miscavge’s own mistakes. I would distrust anyone who tries to raise money to do it.

        • Ardent

          Yes, I agree. As above, I was ‘blue sky’ daydreaming, and nothing more. Really. It is obvious DM is an imbecile. He keeps shooting himself in the foot. Gotta love it. Personally, my bet is Texas will undo him, but the France issue will not help at all. Both are fascinating to watch. I wish Texas had a worldwide live feed!

      • Snippy_X

        This is not the place to fish for money or people’s personal information and YOU, of all people, are well aware of this. But somehow, I am not surprised you are suggesting this.

        • Ardent

          Not fishing for money. Answering a question. Read carefully. It is a scenario. Jeeze.

    • dmslappyface

      Can anyone direct me to a message board for Anonymous’ Operation Chanology?

      • DodoTheLaser

        Try to google it.

        • DeElizabethan

          That’s right bro, it may be on the fringe internet, but it is our friend. Google chanology and take your pick.

  • DeElizabethan

    Thank you Jonny for keeping on top of and bringing us this news. It sure sounds good and looks very hopeful.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Jonny you are a hero!

  • Yay! for Oliver Morice and the appeals court! Now we just need some actual progress.

  • Bill Lumberg

    “There are a lot of rumors about COB that aren’t true. He is a great man. Sure, he might have ruffled some feathers along the way and killed a person or ten, but at the end of the day he just wants to clear the planet and drink scotch. And we love him for that. I almost met him once. I saw him walking with his transcriber girl on a sidewalk at Flag. He is a wee little fella, barely able to see over the shrubs that lined the sidewalk. I think he must have been having a tough day because after I waived at him, he took a long drag off his cigarette, dove across the lawn and extinguished it on my forehead. Then he called me a Suppressive Cocksucker. It was a truly wonderful experience . . . and you better believe I kept that butt. I had it bronzed and wear it around my neck. He is an amazing, amazing man. I also had the honor to see him in person one other time. It was late one night and I was heading back to my shanty after three straight days of talking to a pencil. As I was walking and studying my TECH, a black suburban with the license plate “COB 4EVA” came screeching to halt just feet from where I was standing. Suddenly, two men came flying out the rear passenger side door. At first I had no idea what was going on, but then I saw HIM – my COB – appear like an angel through the open door. He was magnificent. At a loss for words, I watched intently as he proceeded to throw his Super Big Gulp all over the two men as they lay on the sidewalk. He was really upset about something. But the way he tossed those 64 ounces of dark, thetan-free cola on those Imperialist SP’s was truly magical. It was hard to tell what the problem was, but to this day I think it had something to do with the stack of phone books he was sitting on so he could see over the passenger side dash board. I say this only because after he threw four thick phone books at the men, he sunk so low into the passenger seat that all I could see was the top of his head and a pulsating vein on his forehead. He is a good man, my COB.

    • Missionary Kid

      Great snark.

    • DodoTheLaser

      So my friend was at the Twin Cities Ideal Org opening about 2 years ago.
      And she met COB. It went like this:

      COB: Did you get your copy of leather bound Dianetics?
      Friend: No.

      COB: No?!
      Friend: No.

      COB: Where are you from?
      Friend: I flew here (thick Russian accent and waving hands like a bird).

      COB: Hahhahaaaa! (everyone is laughing)
      Friend: Also I am a staff member.
      COB: Ok.

      True story.

      My friend above is out now, by the way.

      • DodoTheLaser

        And here is the book my friend didn’t buy for only ~$500

        • Snippy_X

          barf

        • Ardent

          Gee, what a bargain.

        • Sibs

          What the- sorry, this is my first time seeing this picture, I find it ridiculous, rage-inducing, yet not at all surprising that Scientology would try to frame Dianetics like a pulpit Bible.
          My phone wanted to say “Diabetics”, maybe I shouldn’t have corrected.

    • joan nieman

      Bill. that was absolutely hilarious! Good story!

  • Great White Clam
    • Anonymous

      Its not like he’s going to show up any other way. LMAO.

    • media_lush

      ha ha, that’s my shoop…. glad to see it travelling

  • Great White Clam

    More snark;

  • This book thing is painful. This paragraph isn’t even that intense of a memory but brought me to tears because it took me right to my Aunt Brenda. What the hell man. Why can’t I be a song writer or something. This is going to be late nights, nightmares and crying for months on end.

    “I learned how my dad decimated our relationship with his side of the family by stealing the business away from his brother and mother and selling it out from underneath them. I used to spend nights at my Uncle Brian’s house with my cousin Sean where we’d play computer games. He introduced me to Wolfenstein which was a precursor to modern day first person shooter games, as well as Doom which is a similar, but more popular game. He also had the coolest toys, my favorite one being his Voltron cats that assembled into the large robot. I’d spend time at my fraternal grandmother’s house as well. Where I got to talk to her pet parrots and eat her fresh made pecan pie. She had a tree out back. One of my favorite snacks was the Lil’ Debbie Oatmeal Pies she always kept in her pantry. I don’t remember her husband all that well because he died when I was real young. I do remember sitting on his lap in a rocking chair while he picked up whole peanuts out of a bucket on his left side and discarded them in the bucket on his left. They were those tin ones that the holiday popcorn comes in. Her house always smelled like cigarettes. The smell must have been embedded in every square inch from years before, because I never saw her smoke. I’ve always found the smell oddly comforting because of my memories from her house. I even remember the old, unused stand up ashtray she had. It was made out of bronze, I think.”

  • InterestedinCrazy

    Woo hoo…first mention in Irish press…broadsheet.ie

    I tweeted like a moro last night…lots of mainstream press will pick up broadsheet.ie articles so I hope to see this featured in more mainstream media after they’ve woken up and done a bit of research! I got a mention, too, at the end! That’s my twitter name if you want to see what i reported!

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/01/14/defiantologists/

    • Graham

      Keep up the good work InterestedIC. An 89% reduction in drug related crime?! If Slappy’s going to pull figures out of his ass couldn’t he at least make them believable? If they really were capable of such a massive and unprecedented impact then the world would be beating a path to their door. Shows how divorced from reality is Slappy and those around him.

      Keep us posted, as I’m guessing that several organisations mentioned by name will have something to say about this.

      • InterestedinCrazy

        i’ve tried to tweet or alert them but there are just SO many people who will not find his attempt at connecting with the irish people palatable.

        • Scream Nevermore

          The Ocean FM thing is interesting – COB caught out in a lie? Surely not??

          • InterestedinCrazy

            Radio station is researching it!

      • InterestedinCrazy

        Donneygall? Could he not find ONE Irish person to coach him on how to pronounce Dunney-gawl…???

        Argghhh…I’m still cross about this today!

        • Graham

          His pronunciation of Ha’penny Bridge was also a bit ‘off’.

      • InterestedinCrazy

        Irish Mirror takes it up, credits broadsheet, who I tipped off! It’s so exciting!

        Controversial Scientology leader hails Irish branch in New Year's message to followers http://t.co/1gmge5WFBR— Irish Daily Mirror (@IrishMirror) January 14, 2014

        • Jo

          Brilliant, thanks.

      • InterestedinCrazy

        My twitter account suspended for retweeting the articles so often? 🙂
        I think I’ve done enough now and hoping it will be picked up by the meeja here.

        • Scream Nevermore

          If you need anything tweeted while you’re suspended, let me know!

          • InterestedinCrazy

            can you check my request on wwp sci news forum? same nickname

            • Scream Nevermore

              Will do!

            • InterestedinCrazy

              I emailed newstalk with all relevant links…check out the comment some moron made about how great it is that drug crime is down 85% in Dublin!! It’s waaaay up, not down.

  • media_lush

    Here’s the Grant Cordone video he did with Joan Rivers….

    http://www.automotivedigitalmarketing.com/video/joan-rivers-interview-of-grant

    • Cat Daddy

      “How did you get so rich”

      • media_lush

        he’s Miscavige’s goon and get’s a major cut of all the reg money he extracts out of the clam whales

  • Is someone finally considering past conduct in a current court case? I love to hear that children are being represented in the courts, finally! Even if it’s not necessarily passing judgement on the case, as long as Scientology gets SHUT DOWN. I can’t wait to hear the Court of Human Rights ruling. With Scientology’s impeccable human rights record. Can Miscavige be deposed (or something similar?) in Europe as well? Maybe that’s the reason behind the Great Tent Migration of 2013.

    • Ardent

      I think, as he is head, or chairman, he should be able to be called. That would be fun.

  • media_lush

    new scientology celebrity piece up

    “When push comes to shove, it’s unlikely it’ll help you if the meter does turn out to be defective, but at least you have an official document that your lawyer will be able to fuck them over with in court when you do decide to wake up & join the rest of humanity in the real world.”

    http://scientologycelebrity.wordpress.com/2014/01/14/were-with-stupid-sartre-had-it-all-wrong-hell-isnt-just-other-people-its-scientology/

  • Krew13
  • InterestedinCrazy
    • Graham

      Great to see the Mirror pointing out the 85% drop in drug-related crime claim. I can’t wait to see how people with actual knowledge of such issues react to that one!

    • Graham

      Just noticed the free advert for the next Anonymous protest, at the foot of the Mirror article. Brilliant!

      Is there any way to view the ‘comments’? It looks like you have to have access to Faceberk and that’s on my “Can’t be arsed to go there” list.

      • InterestedinCrazy

        Yeah…my request!

      • InterestedinCrazy

        I’m not on FB either so I can’t comment or read comments either

      • Scream Nevermore

        Sam Domingo

        12:15 PM on 14/1/2014

        Funny. When I went to visit this magnificent bastion of Scientology the doors were locked and there were 3 scared looking Scientologists hiding inside because they thought the protesters outside were evil warlords coming to destroy them (or something). I don’t understand why a newspaper from a mainly Catholic based country is promoting a cult that carries out mass abortions on it’s staff in order to keep it’s workforce intact but then again I’m sure in the spirit of responsible reporting it’s perfectly willing to tell the other side of the story. Right? My email is firewitch888@gmail.com – feel free to contact me

        Pete Griffiths

        11:45 AM on 14/1/2014

        Nothing in this video is actually true. They had a film crew come from California and staged various events using the same people deploying 4 different changes of clothing to appear different. Check it out, normal clothes, then red T-shirts, blue T’s and green T’s. All to create a false impression that they are doing oh so wonderfully well, when the truth is they are doing terrible.

    • vistaril_LOL

      Comment on the article by Sam Domingo:-

      “When I went to visit this magnificent bastion of Scientology the doors
      were locked and there were 3 scared looking Scientologists hiding inside
      because they thought the protesters outside were evil warlords coming
      to destroy them (or something).”

      owned!

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Johnny Jacobsen Jingleheimer Schmidt! – His name is my name too!
    Whenever he’s about you can hear the people shout….

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    ah france is moving and soon belgium … we are expecting a lot from these cases in florida ,texas and california

    • vistaril_LOL

      my dream – clearing the world one country at a time – vive La France!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • InterestedinCrazy
    • vistaril_LOL

      nice work with the vid.

      • InterestedinCrazy

        It wasn’t me! But I agree! Great cameo of Pete Griffiths, too!

    • Seannie5

      LOL that is funny

      • InterestedinCrazy

        Yeah, I’d never seen it myself…but someone on the new thread posted another video I think by the same person and it’s probably a bit too confrontational for me!

        Each to his/her own.

      • Scream Nevermore

        Great display of confront and shatter – by the guy doing the filming!

  • valshifter

    Q. Is he inthe restroom? 6 A. Huh?

  • DodoTheLaser

    There was a movie in 1994, called “Dumb and Dumber”.

    Twenty years later, the sequel was made ” Dumb and Dumber To”

    Reminds me of Golden Age of Tech. Both One and To. And KSW.

    Out in November 2014.

    • Ardent

      I trust you mean “down and out” in 2014?

  • Observer

    OT, but Black Rob posted this picture of the Cardones douching it up together with Elena’s giant certificate.

    • Hingle McCringleberry

      Thats among the best I’ve ever seen.

    • Sydjazz

      Cringey

  • California

    Finally.

  • Gabbyone

    Behind in reading, so forgive this if it has already been posted, but Leah is going to be featured on Access Hollywood tomorrow and will discuss what it was like to leave scientology.

    • Silence of the Clams

      Access Hollywood? Well, that’ll be a great 15 second interview.

      • Gabbyone

        She addressed the depression that she experienced after leaving in the promo so at least she made the most of her 15 seconds.

  • Sydjazz

    Ahh another brick in the wall of dm’s jail cell. Well one can dream