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SCIENTOLOGY DROPS A BOMB ON MONIQUE RATHBUN’S HARASSMENT LAWSUIT

If it seems incredible that Scientology would so openly surveil the people covering a lawsuit about its surveilling of a perceived enemy, it’s important to remember that now, in its latest filing, Scientology is claiming that surveillance is practically a sacrament of its religious freedom.

Take private investigator David Lubow, for example. He’s been the chief guy for Scientology in recent years to head up its “noisy” investigations. If the church perceives that you’re an enemy worth worrying about, chances are Lubow will suddenly be calling up everyone you ever worked with, or showing up to interview members of your family. The tactic is meant to be as much psychological warfare as it is a method for gathering information.

As for keeping an arm’s length from him so that the church has some deniability about his actions, here’s how former top legal affairs officer and former church spokesman Mike Rinder described how he directed Lubow’s actions while the church claimed that he only worked through church attorney Elliot Abelson.

 

 
That David Lubow was actually directing the Squirrel Busters operation on behalf of the church was discovered by Marty Rathbun while the operation was still going on.

A freelance videographer named Bert Leahy worked for the Squirrel Busters for a few days, but got disgusted with the work and quit. Later he apologized to Rathbun, and said that a man named “David Statter” was running the operation. Rathbun realized that Leahy was describing Lubow, and Leahy confirmed after looking at a photo of Lubow that it was, indeed, the man who called himself “Statter.”

Statter, Leahy said, had told the Squirrel Busters that their real job was to make Marty’s life “a living hell” by following him around with cameras, never giving him a moment’s rest.

Now, in a declaration, Lubow admits that yes, he did organize and pay for the Squirrel Busters caper on orders from the Church of Scientology International. But he did it, he claims, out of religious outrage.

In 2009 through early 2011, Rathbun made many virulent and malicious attacks against the Scientology religion — of which I am a member. These included appearances in the electronic media through live interviews, interviews to print reporters and his own blog entries. Among public assertions by Rathbun, were … claims that he could provide services to Scientologists in a fashion different from the services the churches offered but supposedly more true to the religion — assertions that are very offensive to me as a Scientologist, to CSI and to any Scientologist. And, as noted above, Rathbun was engaged in delivering Scientology services and counseling at his office/home, for compensation, even though he had been expelled from the religion and possessed no religious authority to provide Scientology services to anyone. These actions of altering standard Scientology practice, and the delivery of altered Scientology counseling, is known in the religion as “squirreling.” In Scientology vernacular, Mark Rathbun was a “squirrel.”

So what did Lubow do, as an offended Scientologist? Well, he did what he’s already well known for doing.

In 2010 I interviewed some former co-workers of Monique Rathbun. The purpose of the interviews was to acquire information regarding Marty Rathbun, his finances, his activities, his associations and his mental state. I interviewed Monique’s ex-husband for all the same reasons.

But then, in 2011, came a special opportunity for Lubow to express his religious outrage.

That March, Lubow says that he had “learned that CSI was willing to provide assistance and some funding for Scientologists who wished to demonstrate against what were perceived as heinous acts by Rathbun.” So he met with Scientologists John Allender and Mark Warlick, and they hatched the idea of the “Squirrel Busters,” which would be part religious protest, and part documentary production.

Lubow explains in his sworn declaration that he was especially qualified for the assignment because he had previously produced an award-winning 2005 documentary titled Prescription: Suicide?

In fact, he writes in his declaration, you can look him up on IMDB, which he says lists him under his filmmaking nom de guerre, “David Statter” as “executive producer” of the film, which debuted at the Ft. Lauderdale International Film Festival that November.

IMDB does indeed list a “David Statter” as a writer and executive producer of Prescription: Suicide? However, IMDB’s page for the documentary itself lists no credits of any kind, but it does have a link to the film’s official website. When you go there, a list of the filmmakers includes Robert Manciero (producer, director, writer), Rich Samuels (producer, writer, editor), David Garland (production), Jace Veck (composer, arranger), Kara Vander Pyl (singer/songwriter), and Marc Haley (singer).

“David Statter” is not listed among the filmmakers.

The film’s website does confirm that it debuted at the 2005 Ft. Lauderdale International Film Festival and contains photographs and a press release from that occasion. But again, there’s no mention of a “David Statter.”

We’ve sent a message to the film’s director, Robert Manciero, to see if he will tell us what “Statter’s” involvement in the film was, and why he wasn’t listed on the film’s website.

Besides claiming to have operated the Squirrel Busters squad because of his background as a filmmaker, Lubow also takes aim at Bert Leahy, the freelancer who got fed up with the project and later helped Marty Rathbun discover Lubow’s involvement.

“Mr. Leahy turned out to be extremely unreliable and incompetent and I informed him after three days that his services were no longer needed, and paid him for his time,” Lubow writes, and he goes on to claim that Leahy lied when he said Lubow had told the team to “make Marty’s life a living hell,” and that Leahy had later tried to extort $20,000 in return for changing his story.

Like the others who took part in the Squirrel Busters crew and provided declarations — John Allender, and Richard Hirst — Lubow asserts that the Squirrel Busters, while showing up day after day on the Rathbuns’ cul-de-sac from April to September of 2011, never pointed cameras in Marty’s windows, never tapped his phones or his Internet service, and never listened inside his house with microphones. (CSI also denies that it had anything to do with the sex toy Monique received from an anonymous sender at her workplace, and it denied forging an amorous note to one of her co-workers with an order of flowers.)

But even if it claims that it never did anything illegal and never actually harassed the Rathbuns, the church’s sheer obsession with Marty Rathbun comes through loud and clear in the many exhibits attached to the motion. CSI’s legal director, Allan Cartwright, turns out to be an obsessive about everything ever uttered at Rathbun’s blog. He also attaches pages which make it clear that Monique Rathbun’s Facebook page is being watched perpetually. (Some of Monique’s friends may be a bit embarrassed to see their lighthearted comments now attached to a court document which is going to be pored over by this lawsuit’s many observers.)

Marty Rathbun probably does not need court exhibits to tell him that every move he makes online is watched carefully by the church. What was more surprising, especially for his wife Monique, was to find a remote-controlled camera aimed at their current property after they thought they had escaped the close surveillance of Ingleside on the Bay.

Steven Gregory Sloat, in his declaration, now admits that he was hired — by a private investigator named J.R. Skaggs — to get information about who was visiting the Rathbuns, “get pictures if possible of persons associating with him, and to meet Rathbun and to get to know him and, if possible, so he would tell me more about what his activities were at that location.”

To that end, Sloat mounted three cameras so they would look through trees to Rathbun’s driveway. The point was to record who was coming and going at the house.

But Sloat claims that the cameras were practically useless, apparently to temper the notion that he might have captured images of the Rathbuns during private moments.

These were cameras typically used in deer runs, had a focal length of about 1-20 yards and could not be adjusted. There was no zoom capability. Objects much beyond the focal length gradually became obscure. The cameras are the type typically used to photograph game, operating on a motion detector and taking a picture when something moved in front of the camera, and had the capability of sending the pictures via cell phone to a web site where the pictures could be seen.

Sloat complains that the “resolution was poor” in the camera images. While he was looking for places to mount his cameras, he found a deer stand he thought was on his land (the Rathbuns say it isn’t), and he wanted to know who had put the stand there. So Sloat mounted a camera and left a note, asking the stand’s owner to call him. But it was Rathbun who found the note and called him. Sloat admits that he spun a tale about using the property for writing a book.

Rathbun later set off the motion detector on a camera when he put tape over it. That image Sloat attached to the exhibit, and we’ve posted it here…

 
RathbunCamPhoto

 
As you can see, the image is actually rather sharp. And from the notations on the bottom border (“C900 PROFESSIONAL … RECONY”), we were able to determine that the camera was a Reconyx PC900 HyperFire Professional High Output Covert IR camera, which has the following specs…

— 3.1 megapixels, 1080P HD
— Color by day, monochrome infrared at night
— Up to 2 frames per second
— Memory card up to 32 GB (about 80,000 images)
— Battery life up to 40,000 images

So, despite Sloat’s sworn testimony, these three cameras could have, if set up properly, sent thousands of HD images of the Rathbun property to a remote website for viewing in Los Angeles or Clearwater, Florida, day or night.

We have to repeat again, these are stunning admissions for a church that has spent literally decades denying every accusation of abuse or retaliation thrown against it.

But will the Church of Scientology International falling on its sword with these admissions provide a way for it to upend this lawsuit?

 
[Next page: The Montalvo accusations]

 

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  • NormanTheGnome

    I truly hope the best for Monique in this case.its high time this Filthy Cult gets what’s coming to them and David “shit for brains” Miscavaige gets slammed so hard he cries for mercy…I don’t know about anyone else but ive had enough of Scientology making a mockery of the constitution and the judicial system.please someone make this the beginning of the end…I want my family back and this False Philosophy destroyed..sorry for the stern words but im fed up today.

    • Snippy_X

      Your indignation is righteous.

      • NormanTheGnome

        Thanks Snippy,sometimes its nice to know I can come here and my voice is heard and people feel the same about this Scam.im done with it..i really am.

        • Snippy_X

          It all leaves me wondering if anyone has any basic common sense anymore. What ever happened to “the spirit of the law” that was supposed to protect against this Alice-in-Wonderland confusional crap they are always pulling.

        • Once_Born

          I hear you.

        • GlibWog

          Norman.. I hope you get your family back soon.. sigh..((HUGS)))

      • Peter

        And fully shared!

    • aquaclara

      I hope you get your family back soon. It’s well past time for all the crap to end. What a huge abuse of the judicial system and of those involved in this case.

      • NormanTheGnome

        I hope so too,half my family are in..and deep!i do get to speak to them and on the odd occasion I see them.but it turns my stomach and breaks heart to know the truth that they’re being lied to and essentially enslaved..Im so glad ive sen the light and now
        know the abuses they hide.

        • aquaclara

          It’s good to have you here. It had to be hard to get to where you are now. I just want to congratulate you for persevering and reading. I hope your family members start to get there, too.

          There is so much we all still have to do. One day, it will happen. Keep the faith in the meantime….there is much more for those still in to see now than even just two years ago.

          • NormanTheGnome

            Thanks Aqua,Im glad to be here and hope one day my family might be here too.I’ve been a spectator to the Bunker for about a year now.but thanks to you and all the rest of these funny,caring and generally nice defrocked apostates and bitter enemies of the church ive decided to join the fun.hopefully my voice is heard and helps others to come out from under the covers too.

    • Cat Daddy

      Stern words are much needed

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USpuUodcOt0

      • NormanTheGnome

        I love this video,im sharing this to someone who needs to know the truth right now.thank you C.D

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      No apologies necessary. It’s bullshit and I am embarrassed this country lets it continue. Best of luck to you Norman. And keep yourself fired up. We need everyone’s best energy to keep the momentum on the side of what’s right and just.

      • NormanTheGnome

        I’ll be here to the bitter end and justice is served.thanks LWH. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Moorwalker

      All the hugs, Norman. I understand perfectly.

      • NormanTheGnome

        thanks Moorwalker.hugs back at ya. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • media_lush

    all this SLAPPY SLAPP SLAPP SLAPPING reminds me of my favourite Python sketch of all time….. the person on the right represents all the scientology lawyers…. the person on the left represents Judge Waldrip [how I imagine this case will play out next court date]

    http://youtu.be/i9SSOWORzw4

    • Robert Eckert
      • Snippy_X

        Respectfully beg your pardon, but the Brits take this one.

        • Casabeca

          Morris dancing too?

      • Casabeca

        Everything is besser vit leiderhosen.

        • Snippy_X

          Das leiderhosen ist gut, ya.

    • Elen

      I love that sketch!!! No time Tolooooouse…

  • Cat Daddy

    This one is for 1subgenius, OPand Angel voice reaction to it.

    “sarah moss 3 jaar geleden

    o man this is a trip i had no idea we were on you on youtube
    guys wtf who made this video to our๏ปฟ track??!! o man i laugh when i hear
    this.was my fav we did. we did not make this vid people. an im p2
    officially tellin you cuz im singin in this bitch.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q47bpBHdNf8

    ยท

    • 1subgenius

      Just happened to drop in and see yer post. Thanks.
      Vocal cracks me up every time. So sincere.

      • Cat Daddy

        Now she has a name

        • 1subgenius

          That’s nice.

        • 1subgenius

          When.to this is over I’d like to know who the fk Enturbulator is. Talented guy.

  • Too Much

    These shitting insane Scientology crims are demanding that sending dildos to people’s employers is protected religious speech.

    • Lisa

      They denied doing that

      • ThetaBara

        They deny EVERYTHING. If they deny it, they probably did it!
        Not that I can prove the dildo incident in a court of law or anything. But it certainly fits their M.O.

  • Too Much

    the church admits not only that Sloat was hired to gather information

    Does that mean that the insane crooks are going to be paying for that fucking asshole’s lawyers?

    • pronoia

      There was never any question about that. Either they pay or he flips. That is how fucking assholes roll.

  • pronoia

    Ha! just noticed that the squirrel busters landed in ingleside by the bay on April 18th. Hitler’s b-day.

    • Cat Daddy

      Big Thetan

    • Espiando

      Except that Hitler was born on April 20th.

      • Captain Howdy

        Okay E, let’s see how good you really are.

        My birthday falls on what was the most important day in the NSDAP calender.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Ooooh, I think I know….I will shut up though!

          • Captain Howdy

            Feel free. E probably took his happy pill and he’s in Valhalla.

            • Guest

              2/24?

            • Captain Howdy

              NEIN!

            • stillgrace2

              November 9th?

            • Captain Howdy

              JAH, das is gude Grace.

            • stillgrace2

              Vielen Dank. Kennzeichnung meinen Kalender zu feiern!

            • Captain Howdy

              Danke

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Shit….what is that Beck song….?

            • Captain Howdy

              I’m a boozer baby, so why don’t you fill me ?

            • Guest

              I demand the Captain Howdy youtube “nein”, bitte.

            • Robert Eckert
            • Guest
            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I just had to go pee. It was THAT good.

            • Captain Howdy

              One of my favorites.

            • noseinabk

              Love it! This is the song I play on My Mp3 player when the kids are getting on my nerves. I give them a warning that I am gonna play it if they don’t behave . They know that it just gets stuck in your head.

            • stillgrace2

              I am startled by the dav-ish-ness!

            • Jo

              Yikes, Robert was about to go to bed. Now I got to watch something stupid and fluffy to settle my mind.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              1/5

        • sugarplumfairy

          May 1? That glorious day in the early 1700s when Leopold I, the most formidable fashion designer in Prussian history, introduced the impressive and graceful Stechschritt (aka Goose Step) to the waiting runways of the Prussian fashion community..

          Happy belated birthday, Cap’n!

  • Too Much

    to get him to smuggle out to them several hard disks full of secret Scientology information.

    Well, there isn’t any. Everything about the Scientology criminal activities, human rights atrocities, everything about the policies, procedures, everything about the fraudulent bullshit that Scientology sells to its victims is well known, widely accepted, there is nothing that David Miscavige or his fellow shitting insane crooks can point to that is “secret” any longer.

    • AsthmaticDwarf

      Completely untrue, TM. Ongoing OSA operations, ongoing *everything* is secret.

    • L. C. Spencer

      Oh there’s lots, unfortunately. This wasn’t about “scripture,” which is indeed out there, but about daily operational stuff, staff files, emails, current plans, etc. In other words, office files. Which of course you’d expect to be chock full of illegalities, considering whose offices they were.

  • Too Much

    Headley had Windows 7 computers

    Is this a hole claiming activities that happened prior to October 22nd 2009?

    • Marc

      Just for the record, I had both Mac and Windows. I am pretty much all Mac these days…

  • Nellers

    Can anyone help me understand how they will be allowed to get away with the SLAPP motion when they are admitting to the harrassment, just calling it defense of their religion. Does free speech mean that you can target people as they do? This latest motion strikes me as very scary. If they win will they then be ableto target anyone who says anything negative about them? Will it not allows squirrelbusters to do whatever they want o anyone they want? I am now feeling a sick, trauma reactive response….. Not good:(?

    • Casabeca

      Read John P and others below. There is hope!

    • Noni Mause

      I understand your trepidation but, call me naive, I’m choosing to have faith that the justice system will see the absurdity of that argument. Having said that, it would allow us to found the new religious Order of Ortegans, whose religious right was to shoop $cn human rights abuses and DM mercilessly.

  • Hyperion

    Is there a legal term for doing something so damn obvious that any fool can see you are covering your ass?

    Because Exhibit 1, at the end of “Anti-SLAPP Motion, Part 1” is so damn obvious.

    The RTC holds exclusive rights to hunt indies for trademark purposes, but they relinquish that right to the CSI a month after they send in the Squirrel Busters.

    Hmmmmm…… sure looks like RTC started it.

    • Guest

      It’s called the Miscavige Effect.

    • EnthralledObserver

      You said that so much more coherently than I did… but this is what I meant. haha Good job!

  • Sydjazz

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yy7zrlp5lR4 hey kids don’t do drugs or scientology. Love you tory magoo

  • California

    Utterly amazing legal street theatre. DM and the rest are going down spectacularly.

    Hang in there, Mosie.

    • AsthmaticDwarf

      At the same time, C, Dave the Machiavellian Midget’s raison de’ รชtre here seems to be to play the religious rights card now, then rest assured that 9 years later, for example, in say 2022, $cientology Inc. will be going for a Supreme Court appeal vs. Monique/The Rathbuns. That’s 9 years of attention Monique, I’m sure, would rather not have to deal with. The objective of RTC’s Dave born-to-be-riducled Miscavige is to harass, not win.

  • Cat Daddy
  • David Rice

    Mob enforcers harassing victims is now “religious freedom?” Does the Mafia know this?

  • Leonato

    I think it’s interesting that the attorney announces his filing of the anti-slapp motion then tells the judge that his team wants to waive the benefits of the anti-slapp statute that is afforded his team; i.e. stopping the progress of the suit, and stopping futher discovery. He wants to make the motion, but doesn’t want it’s benefits???? Then why file the motion? It seems like he’s filing the motion just to gum up the works, not because he wants to truly afford himself of the benefits of the statute. Hey, sort of like bullying the court isn’t it?

    • Hyperion

      They are setting up some strategy; they can’t honestly believe such a foolish ploy would provide any short-term benefits.

      • Robert Eckert

        No, there is no strategy here. It is 59 days after the filing of the suit and the anti-SLAPP motion has to be filed within 60 days. They cannot talk their client out of filing this pig of a motion, and Davey is threatening to sue them for malpractice if they let the deadline go by, so they put the thing in, knowing perfectly well it is meaningless and harmful.

        • Hyperion

          Yes, but Miscavige didn’t think up the anti-SLAPP motion.

          The motion does frame the issue of whether Monique is a public figure.

          • Robert Eckert

            The anti-SLAPP is 100% Miscavige. I do not believe for an instant that the lawyers ever thought it would be a good idea.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Oh me too! This is like the all Dave channel!

            • Hyperion

              Well at least one thing is 100%, and that is we can all watch it play out in court, thanks to Tony’s journalism.

              Which brings up a different issue. Why is there NO news coverage on this outside of Tony’s reports? It’s a disgrace.

              Why can’t we get this journalism indexed on Google as “News”?

              I’m thinking along the lines of courtroom news, or legal news

            • aurora50

              Most ‘consumers of news’ have the attention span of a gnat?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              And that’s being generous.

            • Hyperion

              Please explain. How does interest in news translate in to decreased attention span?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Just riffing off of Aurora50’s comment…

            • Hyperion

              What were we talking about?

              Just kidding. I thought the Google indexing of Tony’s journalism as “news” was useful when he was Editor-in-chief at VV

            • Mr Childs of the Tampa Bay Times was mentioned. That made me happy.

  • Marc

    LOL!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      It is so messed up that he had so much support and couldn’t break the chains.
      That is fucked up right there!
      But that is the tail (tale) of this particular dragon.

      • aquaclara

        Hi, Bury! Hope the vacay is going well!

      • Snippy_X

        You found your way back from the wilderness! I was starting to miss you, BTN.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          In the heart of wilderness….and almost scared!!!
          oK, not quite.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Snapping any good picts you can share? Have you encountered any tree tech trying to block your view?

            • Jo

              I found a great photo, but its not appropriate? It’s a squirrel photo.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              It’s the Bunker. Anything is appropriate. Don’t be shy. Besides, if it’s the squirrel with the big “nuts”, we’ve all seen it before and no one got offended.

            • Jo

              Ha, ha. No big nuts, just a nice squirrel photo. Lol

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Awwwwww, that is very sweet. I shall call them Marty and Mosey. Little squirrel lovers.

            • Jo

              Still laugh when I think of your response, “what kind of tennis racket do have.” It was ages ago. Lol

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Something like this perhaps?
              *refresh*

            • Jo

              Nope, but impressed you found a squirrel with a racket. Used my last squirrel photo now. Well it’s not mine, I don’t know any squirrels.

            • L. C. Spencer

              Chipmunks! But yes, absolutely adorable.

            • Jo

              Chipmunks not squirrels? That joke was totally wasted.

            • L. C. Spencer

              But they’re SOOOOOOO CUUUUUUUUUUUUTE. They’re how squirrels should be. They’re Ideal Squirrels!

            • Poison Ivy

              Also, they sing Christmas songs. Led by a tenor named Alvin!

            • Aslansown

              Alvin, Alvin…ALVIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OOOOOOOOH KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

            • L. C. Spencer

              Hahaha, led ASTRAY by Alvin, that is…

            • Moorwalker

              They’re also called “ground squirrels,” so you’re safe ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Poison Ivy

              Chipmunks, not squirrels!

          • Snippy_X

            Well, try to remember where you buried your stash this year. Not enough big trees and too many little saps in the spring otherwise. P.S. Mr X sends his regards to Mr Nuts.

          • tetloj

            no banjo music?

          • Elen

            Well, if you count good wishes, positive vibes & lots of hoping for you two have the best time ever… you are not alone!! Don’t be scared!

            You have been missed.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Howdy! I Think maybe maybe email and all other stuff is working freely now.

        Been waiting to reg you! Guess what! In case you missed it, you can Still cough up some cash for the Super Power Building. Why, because the tent was too big for one lot so they had to make it two tents, two lots and that costs big bucks, baby!

        Oh, and you’re just in time for new fundraiser: Miscavige wants to book All hotels and motels within 5 miles of Super Tent and that’s gonna cost too! So much fun you’re missing!!!

        http://youtu.be/UQlFOX0YKlQ

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Damn….this vacation is really fucking with my mojo!
          But the leaves are pretty…..
          and I am still reading everything TO throws out there….
          Some habits CANNOT be broken…..

          • noseinabk

            You must be WAY north of me. In MD (near the PA line) My Oaks and Maple’s are still green.

            • Axton

              Still green in the Heartland

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Think altitude, not latitude.

            • noseinabk

              I think from what you mentioned in the past you know what it usualy looked like by this time of year. Years ago when you went through kennett square the colors would be fantastic.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Yes, the street I grew up on was amazing to drive along. Or out by one of the Dupont Estates. Soooo nice.

            • q-bird

              It snowed today here on the North Shore of lake Superior.
              Winter’s peeking out and saying hellOOooooo! Fair warning.

      • Poison Ivy

        Missed you sweetie pie! xo

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      wot?!

      • Robert Eckert

        He told some of Montalvo’s current situation, then thought better of it and edited it out.

    • Michael Hobson

      I sure hope it does not come out some day that Danny Montalvo was an OSA op from the beginning – aimed at the Indie Underground Railroad the parties named were running.

      • Robert Eckert

        No, what you see is what you get. The kid was their slave and never had a chance to grow up normal.

        • Michael Hobson

          That is not mutually exclusive with him having been an OSA op.

          • Robert Eckert

            You are displaying your usual lack of comprehension of how other people work.

            • Michael Hobson

              Mr. Eckert, people resort to Ad Hominem when they have nothing else to argue with. That having been said, I’d say the probability is pretty high that I have far more direct experience with Sea Org members and their mindset (“how they work”) than you, sir. Of course, I could be wrong about that.

              I was Sea Org staff in PAC Base (ASHO Foundation) from mid-1991 to Xmas 1995. Years before that, I was Sea Org staff at Publications Org US and Hubbard E-Meter from mid-1979 through May 1981 and then at INT Management Org in Clearwater for 6 months before being dismissed from the Sea Org.

              I only expressed one possibility. It would be very, very foolish to dismiss it out-of-hand, sir.

            • Robert Eckert

              No, you didn’t express “one possibility”: you expressed it as a certainty.

              It is because of your long time in the Sea Org that your ability to empathize with others is so atrophied. I have seen your interactions with others before. It is difficult of course for you to see yourself as someone sees from the outside.

            • Michael Hobson

              ” you expressed it as a certainty” … <— which is why I used language expressing an uncertain possibility like "sure hope" and "some day". Right.

            • Robert Eckert

              Pardon me, I misread your initial post as “I sure hope it comes out some day how he was an OSA plant from the beginning”: that is, I took you to be assuming as a given that he was an OSA plant, and expressing hope that it would all be exposed.

            • Michael Hobson

              I’m sorry. Perhaps I could have written that a bit less ambiguously.

            • Robert Eckert

              It’s OK, I missed a “not” which does rather change the sentence. Anyhow, I don’t think he volunteered to get jailed in LA indefinitely anymore than he volunteered to get his finger chopped off: he has been manipulated by Moxon etc. because he is a confused and troubled kid, for obvious reasons– but seeing his initial attempt to run away as part of a plot is just unrealistic.

    • Watergate

      He sounds like an odd, wounded duck.

  • I Love Robyn Marks

    I am a newbie here but I have been following SCN for 4 years, doing home work. Reading Tony when he was still with the “Voice”. DM is a control freak gone ape%^^7! Keep up the fight, and my heart goes out to anyone who could escape this Orwellian nightmare and come out sane.

    • Hyperion

      Great to have you here!

      • I Love Robyn Marks

        Been a Bystander too long. I am from Boston. They have both an Org and a Delphi school here. Creepy. I want to make sure no one else can be duped by this mind control-whack job. I am a science fiction fan. Nuff said. His books were mediocre at best. In the 80’s i saw the “Volcano” commercials. Even as a kid i saw through it. What has this washed up, has been pulp writer posibly know that we don’t. even then I knew he was Bullshit. (sorry for the curse)

        • Axton

          Cool post, thx

        • Poison Ivy

          Welcome, from a fellow Boston native! And Go Sox!

        • GlibWog

          You’ve been a lurker.. No apologies for the curse..ha ( that is mild as you know..)

        • Once_Born

          It’s way down on the list of Hubbard’s crimes and abuses – but it does annoy me that he gives real science fiction a bad name.

          Also, the “Writers of the Future” {awards} organised by the CofS don’t get half the (metaphorical) kicking that they deserve.

          Sigh Rant over… Welcome!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Welcome! Somebody check off another stripe on the headboard! ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • GlibWog

        Hey hubbie.. Where did you send your email ( Don’t put my e mail address up silly..)
        Do you still have my business card? you can send it there.. I would love to hear from you.. xo

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Not sure. I’ll have to look, but something I found in one of THDNE emails to us.

          • GlibWog

            I missed you so much…

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Miss you too you bossy ass bitch. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • GlibWog

              hahahhaha Very Funny Butt Plug

    • GlibWog

      Welcome..Welcome. Love to have newbies who were once Lurkers!

    • joan nieman

      Welcome I Love.

  • Matt H.

    > The next morning, I tried to access the hard drives on Tiziano Lugliโ€™s computer. However, it was a Mac computer and the hard drives were Microsoft based. Thus, they could not be opened.

    Is this supposed to have been in 2010? Because if so, the only way that makes any sense is if the Mac in question was very old; Mac OS has been able to read Windows-format drives for much longer than that. Probably not an important detail, but it doesn’t quite add up.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      yea, that didn’t make sense. Macs can read windows formatted drives no problem. It sounds like something made up by someone without experience with computers, trying to fabricate a case.

    • observe mention of encryption. If the drives were used in Windows with standard Windows encryption there’s little reason to believe that they could be read on a Mac.

      • Matt H.

        Ah, good point. The Windows built-in encryption software, BitLocker, definitely would render the drive unusable on a Mac that wasn’t also running Windows, if that’s the encryption mechanism that was being used. Even on another Windows machine, you would of course still need the password as well (assuming the drives were encrypted as removable drives; if not, there would be additional problems).

  • Tone

    Well at last the cult has left me fucking speechless!

  • aegerprimo

    I am not educated or experienced when it comes to law… but it seems to me this anti-SLAPP motion is similar to the tactic the Co$ is taking in France by taking a case to the European rights court?

    The link at ESMB where I quote some specific posts regarding this to clarify my question. http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?33546-Cult-drops-bombshell-in-Monique-Rathbun-case&p=863471&viewfull=1#post863471

    • without looking into your questions on ESMB (not a lawyer, either), I will point out that the lawsuit in France was about the day to day official business of the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology – selling books, courses, finding the ruin of the victims, sending people to sit in saunas with dangerous levels of vitamins in the body, etc etc. This may be on the edge of what most would consider “religious” but it is their regular day to day business and they have never claimed otherwise.

      The Anti-SLAPP angle, however, is claiming that what looks to the uninformed outsider like harassment is, in fact, religious expression. This is fairly novel, in that – up to date – only critics have been joking that the Co$ is the “church of the holy lawsuit.” (We disregard the claim that “fair game” was protected religious expression – from the Wollersheim appeal.) From now on, only ignorance is an excuse for journalists to not ask about hiding in bushes and filming the front door of ex-victims when a spokes-clam bloviates about the good deeds done in the community by the Co$ (see earlier this week, press release regarding tax exemption in the Netherlands).
      So, the difference is that from claiming that commercial activity was religious the Co$ has progressed to claiming that harassment is religious.

      • aegerprimo

        Thank you Jens. It seemed like the tactics were similar, but I see they are not.

  • Shannon

    When I saw the first bold statements at the top of the article I went, “Nope, nope nope nope nope” went and got lunch and a bottle of champagne before starting to read it. Glad I did. Holy shit. This is literally someone setting themselves on fire to prove intended arson. I really have no words.

    What I will comment on is, did anyone notice Judge Waldrip’s reaction when that slimeball put the anti-SLAPP box down on the bench? I would give my life savings to know what was running through his head at that very moment. That lawyer is a creep and you could tell by his introduction and presentation of the motion. Made my skin crawl. Bury or Hole or Miss Kid or someone, I need a hug!

    • Hyperion

      Yeppers, there’s a whole little comment section below saying he was covering his mouth to hide a smirk

      • Shannon

        EXACTLY! I am late to the party and just reading through now. but yes.

    • Snippy_X

      Yeah he’s creepy lawyer slime. I don’t do hugs so much, but I can send you some nested parentheses.

      ((((x))))

      • Shannon

        I send you internet hearts! (which I thought were kiss lips for so long because I am not hip and with it)

        <3 <3 <3

    • Robert Eckert

      “when that slimeball put the anti-SLAPP box down on the bench” he had the nerve to ask “Where should I put this?” I would have had a pungent response.

      • Shannon

        I would have been ok with him having to recuse himself because he accidentally lost control and bitch smacked him right at the bench.

    • q-bird

      there there – a biggo bear hug for ya – stay calm – truth is gonna win. hang in there Doll.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        q-bird, every time I see your avatar, I think of this album cover:

        • q-bird

          pretty. flyin’ high ~ wingin’ it. love it. Cool EL.

  • media_lush

    not sure whether Hubbard would think this a good book or a bad book…… either way it’s a wtf book

    • Moorwalker

      Can’t quite figure out why this book never made its way into my library.

  • Snake Plissken

    I think Miscavage has been watching too much of the government shutdown coverage on cable news. He’s convinced that he can get his ass handed to him then claim victory, and as long as his glazed over followers believe him … he thinks he won.

    • Hyperion

      Does he have followers anymore? He does have a tent.

      • Snake Plissken

        Believe it or not but there are idiots still donating money to his war against Hubbard’s imaginary enemies … and the real enemies his cult has created.

        • Hyperion

          The people that enter that tent will be seen, however few they may be, when and if the tent is ever used for an event

          • Snake Plissken

            He’s probably going to rent Chinese actors to play the part of Scientologists like the North Koreans did at the Beijing Olympics

  • EnthralledObserver

    This move just highlights just how much Makemerich does not want to argue the actual merits of this suit, that he is doing everything he can imagine to argue everything else in the hopes one will work and dismiss at least him, if not the whole cult, from Mosey’s suit and not have to even defend their actions. Evidence too strong for ya, Davey… awww… well I don’t blame you for trying to weasel out any slimy way you can.

  • Snippy_X
    • Hyperion

      Thanks for this, awesome!

    • KJP in Portland

      Snippy. A fine job again! Thank you.

  • whingeybingey

    Is there any way of tracing the sources of the saucy message and the sex toy that could definitively link that to the cult?

    • Poison Ivy

      WhereIsSHE gave me a little mini-course in how hard it is these days to destroy evidence. And recently another lawyer talked to me about how in this day and age, there’s almost always some sort of paper trail.
      Clearly CO$ would’ve covered their tracks well on this. But someone had to at least make a phone call to order the flowers; and someone had to pay for the sex toy. Somehow, somewhere, I would think there would be a trail.
      I would expect Ray J was hoping to dig this up in discovery…

    • Moorwalker

      They’re usually fairly careful about such things. The flowers were probably paid for in cash at a florist’s shop. And there’s probably a dildo tech storage room somewhere in Flag.

      • whingeybingey

        Thanks, Moorwalker!

  • Elen

    Forgive me if this is old news to you, but for some it maybe new, although it has been circulated around some other favorite $ci blogs …

    if you have not yet tired of reading legal documents, here is DMs deposition from Corydon v CoS, 1990…. I guarantee a chuckle or two….

    http://www.ami.com.au/~bradw/cos/Lisa/dm1.htm

    • Poison Ivy

      It’s appalling. And very, very telling!

      • Elen

        I see your response but the original post is gone! I am writing this to you PI to see if you can still see it in the regular line up…. right here it doesn’t even show to whom you & Snippy are responding & Ekhart’ s comment doesn’t even show up!!! What..?!?!

        • Elen

          Never mind… operator error, as usual…

    • Snippy_X

      What is that? A verbal dysfunction? Bizarre. He’s not wired right.

    • L. C. Spencer

      My greatest impression on reading this is “wow, so that’s what he’s like without a script, a podium and a backdrop.”

    • valshifter

      that was funny thanks, I never read that before . that deposition was like talking to a first grader.

      • valshifter

        Q. AND WHAT POSITION DID YOU TAKE IN PENNSYLVANIA WHEN YOU LEFT SAINT HILL IN APPROXIMATELY 1973?

        A. SCHOOL CHILD

  • Captain Howdy

    Boston Red Sox are going to the World Series!!!

    “Gigantic, Gigantic, Gigantic..a BIG BIG LOVE”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd34UjP6Q3Y

    • Shannon

      As a born and raised Mets fan I say YES! Suck it Yankees, suck it hard.

    • stillgrace2

      This should be an interesting Series!

    • I Love Robyn Marks

      Go Sox!

    • Poison Ivy

      We’re doing a little dance now too, Captain! Wish I were in my hometown right now; alas I’m a Yankee in the South for a couple more months…

      Cheers, fellow Bostonian…hoist a beeyah fah me!

      • Captain Howdy

        How about a triple pink lemonade & vodka?

        • Poison Ivy

          Vooh-ad-kah.

          • Captain Howdy

            Goodnite

            • Poison Ivy

              See yah.

            • Sherbet

              I’d hardly know you were a San Franciscan at heart, Howdy. Wicked pissah and wicked awesome. And, as Big Papi said in April, This is our effin’ city.

      • Sherbet

        On behalf of Boston, I accept your congratulatory dance, PI.

    • Sandy

      I live i in Mn – so Detroit is the Debil. Congrats!!!

    • Sherbet

      My nerves are shot after the ALCS.

      • Captain Howdy

        Goodnight Sherb and congrats..you deserve it.

        • Sherbet

          Yeah, I did it all by myself. I did go to 2 games this season, so maybe that counts.

    • KJP in Portland

      Red Sox works for me…

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    I’m going to leave a big stack these here, pre-signed for DM. *refresh*

    • EnthralledObserver

      He does seem to need it in writing… good idea… as ‘results’ just don’t seem to be registering for him.

    • KJP in Portland

      No shoop on that?

  • EnthralledObserver

    I have one question burning to be answered… do the $ci lawyers really believe they can in any way win this thing? Or is the way to their money drawing it out?

    • Espiando

      The way to their money is to do what their psychotic midget client says to do. And if getting the money requires making fools of themselves, so be it.

      This is so stupid it has to be a Miscavige idea.

  • Poison Ivy

    Oooooh ooooooh ooooh!
    MrPI – only an “armchair” Sci watcher, not a fanatic like moi, had a friggin’ amazing observation today:

    “Marty and Monique should declare that they have formed their own splinter sect of Indie Scientology, and among the most holy of their religious rituals and sacraments are these:

    * They must have absolute privacy. Their home is their temple.
    * They cannot be videotaped or photographed – it takes their soul

    Hence they can claim that THEIR religious rights and most Holy sacraments are being infringed.

    Actually, their religious rights and rights of association ARE being infringed, as Scientology and the Squirrel Busters are not allowing them to worship as they please and with whom they please in the sanctity of their own home.

    (As I wrote before, Scientology believes THEIR religious rights trump Marty’s religious rights because….TRADEMARKS! Of course, that argument has already been lost since every trademarked Scientology document is now on the internetz….)

    I’m still pissed over this. And really, I’m a bit fearful. Because we have a judge here who is smart and fair and is doing his sworn duty to look at the law and not the abhorrent behavior of the defendants.

    I guess I want someone to stand up and throw the damn book at them for pissing on our Constitution (COB’s disdain for our “Wog Law” is just so disrespectul and insulting), our Bill of Rights, and the entire judicial system. Granted, the judicial system is pissed on somewhere, by someone, every day. But never has it been so thoroughly defiled and diminished in such an arrogant and entitled way as it has by Scientology, starting with LRon and continuing to this day.

    • stillgrace2

      I hear you, Poison Ivy. This is the most irritating and annoying case of industrial strength narcissism!!!

    • joan nieman

      That is correct Poison. The same rights should apply to everyone.

  • NeverIn

    Will Scientology’s gamble pay off?

    No. They’re toast.ย 

    This is a Hail Mary pass, made by a narcissistic bubble-boy who believes in his own infallibility. But it will fail, because no amount of slave labor can fix it. The most expensive lawyers cannot fix it. PR cannot undo it. Nothing in his toolbox can make this go his way.ย 

  • El Con Blubbard

    The Scientology attorney’s are scum bags! I am certain that the laws of karma has it so that their KIDS get into Scientology very soon!! Then they will feel what the rest of us feel! Those assholes!

    • KJP in Portland

      As my late-dad would say about lawyers like them…money-sucking leeches.

  • KJP in Portland

    Ducks! 62-24 (((laughs)))

    • Moorwalker

      I always liked the Ducks, for no reason I can really explain, except DUCKS.

    • Robert Eckert

      Wolverines by 63-47 was even more nuts. I’m disappointed for the Tigers but I guess Boston needs it more this year.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        At one point Indiana came back to make it 42-40 Michigan. The Wolverines piled on late. Crazy game indeed.

        • Moorwalker

          The Michigan defense needs a good talking-to, after that scare.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            I’m a Buckeye, and as such I watch Michigan games closely, but only in the hope that I catch even a glimpse of an epic collapse. Long live Appalachian State.

            • Moorwalker

              Ha, then you were a happy man until the fourth quarter.

              I’ll come out of the video gamer closet long enough to admit to playing as Appalachian State when a friend of mine takes the 2002 Ohio State Buckeyes, just to make his inevitable humiliation all the sweeter.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Haha. Your friend must suck, right? Not that the 2002 Buckeyes were world beaters, they barely won that title game, but there’s no way that team loses to App State. Unless you suck at EA football.

            • Moorwalker

              He sucks and I remember the playbooks, so I don’t end up running the same plays over and over. The one thing I can’t stop sucking at, though, is passing on an option play. For whatever reason, my head just can’t wrap around that one.

          • Robert Eckert

            They got late interceptions, and finished the game with a sack. But yeah, most of the game they seemed asleep.

    • Moorwalker

      The Auburn-Texas A&M game was the most exciting one of the day, I’d say. Auburn pulled off a huge win there.

  • KJP in Portland

    62-38 final. 100 point game. Wow.

    • Moorwalker

      A lot of the scores today looked more like bad basketball scores than football scores.

      • KJP in Portland

        The teams sure do score more nowadays. This score could easily have been a college b-ball game. Same with Michigan’s score.

        • Moorwalker

          Why do you think that is? Is it because the offenses get the glory (and the alumni donations), so more attention both in recruiting and in coaching is paid to them?

  • Narapoid

    “Typically anti-SLAPP awards are granted in instances where the underlying claim is an empty pretext to shut someone up or intimidate them.

    And thatโ€™s why this action by Scientology is so bold.” Is it Bold, Brazen or desperate?

    Burn all the contacts. Lubow in this last expression has “earned” his retirement. Allender and the rest of the Voracious Monkeys?

    CSI is still on the hook for what is NOW publicly admitted Horrific actions. All to do what?

    Cut Miscavige out.

    He is killing Scientology and OSA doesn’t care. They are all owned by ykw. And he will throw them in front of the legal bus before he deposes and they will gladly do it because their child is in Sea org.

    • Poison Ivy

      The brand is permanently destroyed. Miscavige has forever left a stain on the Scientology brand.

      If this were a real religion, he’d be out on his ass (errrr….like the last Catholic Pope?)

      If this were a real corporation, there would be a board who would vote him off for tarnishing the brand and very likely devaluing the corporation permanently.

      But it’s not a real religion, and he’s Chairman of the Board where he’s the whole board.

      And yet Whales and naรฏve publics are PAYING HIM TO DO IT.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Hubbard truly set Miscavige up for a failure though. This is the end game.

        • Moorwalker

          It really is. The only salvation would be for a (gasp) ethical person to seize control, and there aren’t many of those left in the upper reaches. The ones who might — might — lay claim to it were disappeared years ago. And Miscavige is a scorched-earth sort — if he had to run, he’d leave the “church” in ashes.

          • DodoTheLaser

            The way I see it – if scientology wants to be seen as a religion, it should deliver its “religious” services for free. No “fixed donations” bs. Religion is free, scientology neither.

            My prediction – in 5 years from now, scientology will join the ranks of 20’th century New Age/magical thinking retirees. And at the very bottom, credibility wise.

            • Moorwalker

              I agree completely. Make the money from the books — that seems fair (and keep them at a reasonable price). But the auditing and courses should be free.

            • DodoTheLaser

              I really hope we are not giving them any good ideas.
              Because it actually could work in scientology’s favor.
              For another decade or two. May be?

            • Moorwalker

              HA.

              The thing is, who’s left? Who’s left who would make such changes and abolish OSA and RPF and all the other nastiness?

              I’d really like to know who Miscavige would want to see succeed him.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Good point. Tom Cruise? ROFL!

            • Moorwalker

              I seriously LOLed when Miscavige said he was the third most important Scientologist in the CoS. And Miscavige knows ever so well what an absolute ditz Tom is.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Naive I know, but I still think there’s a hope for TC turning around and bringing the whole gig down at some point. Talking about making amends project. Mission Impossible:7?

            • Moorwalker

              If Miscavige were brought down and the “church” pretty thoroughly discredited it might happen. But he receives so much special treatment inside that I’m not sure he’d give it up. If it really began to affect his career? Maybe. But I think he might even justify that away. If anything it really hinges on the fall of Miscavige and the failure of the next leader to gain his admiration and give him the full-on star treatment.

              Getting booed at the Dodgers game had to surprise him some. But I’m not sure he’d even be able to connect that with his being a Scientologist.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Tom distanced himself from scientology before.
              Plus he is stuck on OT VII for a long time.
              Plus the whole failed marriage thing x3…

              I think it’s not out of the question that Tom is lurking, as we speak…

            • Moorwalker

              He did distance himself before, but that had a lot to do with slamming the book on Mimi. For the last couple of decades Scientology has been the most stable factor in his life. Maybe if he realized that the only reason he’s even a VII is because he’s been kicked upstairs due to his fame he might rethink things some.

              It’s sleeptime for me. Always good talking with you, Dodo — have a good night ๐Ÿ™‚

            • DodoTheLaser

              Copy that, Mo. Same here ๐Ÿ™‚

            • Narapoid

              Moorwalker, my fellow pilgrim, I don’t think he cares who comes after him. Maybe the fire department? He wouldn’t call…

              But would he really care? He has no children, so far as I know. Everyone else except maybe Lou, (he will probably kill her before he is dead, to have a servant in the next life. A billion years is a long time).

              The legend is that Pat and Ann Broeker were the “Loyal Officers”. But did Hubbard really give a damn?

              He probably didn’t appoint them. He was too busy chasing BTs eating at his stinking carcass.

            • valshifter

              they should, but they don’t really have the intention to help anybody but to make money

        • Narapoid

          DM doesn’t have the brains. The nerve, gall…. Yep. But…

          I can hear him saying to himself: What does that bloated, drugged out old man have that I don’t? I saw his operations. He let his wife go to jail. So what if mine is “vanished”? He ruled with the brutal fist, so can I. Hell I WAS his brutal fist. But he couldn’t see that Broeker was weak. He could only have dreamed of my victory over the IRS.

          It gets blurry and uglier from there…

        • Snippy_X

          “Hubbard truly set Miscavige up for a failure”

          A chapter or two right here. Snake vs. snake.

          • DodoTheLaser

            My point exactly, Thank you.

      • Moorwalker

        That’s always been the way of it, though — the main loyalty is directed towards the man at the top. Hubbard WAS Scientology, though, and the loyalty to him was more genuine. Miscavige in the main commands loyalty through fear and through the admiration of sociopaths.

      • KJP in Portland

        He’s a stain alright. I see him every time I do the washing.

      • Narapoid

        But PI, When will they “get it”? So many have suffered. Have died. The new are trapped in their minds for the love of the dream. The vision of a world free of insanity. The world free. But hubbard’s antique tar pit…

        The older ones are trapped by their love of the young, the same dreams as the new. A whole life not sacrificed, but realized.

        Not sacrificed but realized. Not sacrificed but realized.

        To tell them different would be to make them “Wrong”. Tell that to the hostage takers in congress! Can you tell a tea partyer they are Wrong? It doesn’t seem so. They are cultists in they’re own right. Not to get political, but the similarities are undeniable…

        To know Scientology, is to know the nation….?

        God bless you Tony and the contributors and erstwhile pilgrims who find themselves here.

        The dream is OK

        Burn the Cult, Free the pilgrims!

        • Sydjazz

          Sometimes think being in scientology is like being in a violent marriage. You may want to leave but can’t

          • Narapoid

            Wow. It is, isn’t it? Just wow.
            TY

          • Moorwalker

            It’s almost worse in one way: Scientology drums it into your head that if you leave, you’re messing yourself up for the rest of eternity.

            • Drat

              Probaby, if you leave the tea party you’re letting down the nation and it’ll go to the dogs and your kids will grow up in a socialist hell…

      • valshifter

        he is the Chairman of the Con

  • DodoTheLaser

    So scientology is tax-exempt because it’s a “religion”.
    Yet scientology defines itself as a “religious applied philosophy”.
    Yet Hubbard said scientology is not a religion at all.

    Hmm…

    http://www.irs.gov/

    • DodoTheLaser

      Imagine scientologists learning one day that IRS revoked scientology’s tax-exempt status…
      After they were forced to watch COB’s “The War Is Over” event video bajillion times…
      Is ‘awkward’ even the right word for the above scenario?

      • Moorwalker

        You know, though, it would just cause most of the active remaining ones to huddle together and hunker down and feel even more persecuted and more furious.

        • DodoTheLaser

          I can definitely see that being the case circa 1980-90’s, or even early 2000’s.
          The Internet is a major game changer though, progressively.
          And like you said earlier – who’s left?

          • Moorwalker

            The internet’s been the biggest force against the CoS. I’ll bet the internet enemies list fills half a room.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Must be a big ass chart by now. The Ideal Tents true purpose perhaps?

          • Sydjazz

            The internet

        • phronsie

          I’m really okay with that. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Sydjazz

    Miscavige found. Taken from the joy of sect for those playing at home

  • KJP in Portland

    Eww. 100.8 degree temp. No wonder my cold sucks my jaw hurts my tooth aches. Yay. All the mucous too. I want this f-ing cold/flu/whatever gone! Time to get the antibiotic pills. Not a fan of but a necessary evil sometimes. I’m on the smarty pants phone and will read till I fall asleep (((hugs, hi5s)))

    • Sydjazz

      Hi kjp. Hope you feel better soon. Do you need a touch assist? Giggles

      • KJP in Portland

        I never had a sci touch assist ๐Ÿ™ is that where happy endings came from?

        • Moorwalker

          If you have a happy ending from a touch assist, it was Tom Cruise or John Travolta giving it to you.

          • Sydjazz

            Omg moorwalker we did it again. Lol

            • Moorwalker

              hahaha this could get scary.

            • Sydjazz

              We must be o.t 8 thanks to tony o’s lessons lol

            • KJP in Portland

              I only brought that up because several days ago someone made a funny crack about happy endings when touch assists were mentioned. It cracked me up.

            • Moorwalker

              I remember that. But let’s put it this way: if you were getting a touch assist, you’d know that no happy ending is humanly possible unless you’ve got some mighty peculiar fetishes.

            • Sydjazz

              Some do

            • Moorwalker

              “Feel my finger? Good.”

            • Sydjazz

              Touch assist is just a weird version of pull my finger?!

            • Moorwalker

              I blew before I hit VIII. I guess my “total freedom” came early, haha

            • DodoTheLaser

              Wow! How many years on VII?

            • Moorwalker

              I blew about a year after VII. I really wanted out before then, but because of having a close family member still in I kept hanging in and hanging in.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Good for you! Hope you are managing decompression ok.

              I know it can be a rough journey. Sending positive thoughts your way.

            • Moorwalker

              Dodo, I’m posting this later so mainly only you will see it if you check your Disqus (no reply necessary — I just didn’t want you to think I was ignoring your actual question) — I don’t want to give my exact number of years on it because, with that family member still in, I don’t want to be recognized by anyone still in who could make trouble (I’ve had trouble before). I try to keep a grip on what I post publicly just to keep dots from being connected.

          • KJP in Portland

            More eww!

        • Sydjazz

          Ok now we know where your head is at lol. Maybe jt does those kind of touch assists

          • KJP in Portland

            Eww!

    • Moorwalker

      We could have someone come over and give you a touch assist, hahaha

      Yes, time for the antibiotics. Feel better. Hugs right back.

      Edit: Syd, we were sharing a brain there for a moment, haha.

      • Sydjazz

        Lol moorwalker too funny

    • Narapoid

      I hope it isn’t an OSA postulate… Son’t forget to take your Niacin.

  • Moorwalker

    Time for me to find hay to hit. Hopefully tomorrow night my desktop will decide that the Bunker isn’t an enemy and that Disqus can actually be logged into. (It’s beyond frustrating when I can read what’s being said but not comment, ha)

    Have a great night ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Sydjazz

      Night

    • DodoTheLaser

      Thank you! Sleep well!

    • KJP in Portland

      (((Hugs)))

  • DodoTheLaser

    Reminder:
    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1943035967/the-tomkat-project-la-debut
    Three days to go, guys. 3 days.
    Everyone, please do what you can.

  • Interested Bystander
    • DodoTheLaser

      Epic awesomeness! Thank you!

      Can someone in Germany please ask Rammstein guys to perform a song or two while wearing Anon masks? I’m surprised they haven’t done it yet…

    • ThetaBara

      AUSGEZEICHNET!!!

  • DodoTheLaser

    Now, when RTC is in a corner – what will it do?

    Release The Super Power, of course!

    Because GAT II and “new” E-Meter is not funny enough.

    Oh my. Enjoy the show.

  • Charlotte

    The irony is palpable.

  • After watching Ted Cruz take our nation down with a cult about the size as Scientologist, it is clear that the smartest (and most well paid) lawyer wins.
    I live in Texas and we are pretty much the butt of the bible belt and we have churches with snake handlers and venom spewers on every block. And I can see the Xtionista’s being paranoid like gun owners that this might lead to church hassles.
    Isn’t it enough they are allowed a tax exempt status to preach “moral” political BS in church?

    • Guest

      You’re obviously trying to divert commentary about the topic of the above article into arguments about politics and religion as whole.

      Not cool.

      • It is clear I hit your religious bone. Please consider this. I don’t buy into any religion. I don’t consider Scientology and better/worse than being a Baptist. A cult is a cult. A religion is a religion. So perhaps YOU should be respectful of other view points. If you want to chat about bigotry, then perhaps you should start with the organizations that are tax exempt for spewing it.
        Sorry I don’t fall in the same line as your thinking. I enjoy coming to this site and I understand the purpose. But if you read your own words, are you doing the same thing as the Scientologist? One religion is RIGHT and everyone else is wrong? Could it be that they are ALL wrong?

        • Guest

          You’re off base on your assumption. I’m tolerant of people’s philosophies, whether they are religious in nature or as a non-believer position. I do care that you are giving the same argument that the scientologists use that scientology is no worse than other religions.

          It’s that type of mind set, that allows the cult of scientology to convince atheists that “they aren’t any worse than other religions”. They are worse; The C o S also stalks and harasses people who are critical about them including the proprietor of this blog. They love it when people like you defend them by focusing on the religious angle instead of the fact that they are a criminal organization set up to appear as a religion.

          Have you ever had a Baptist church or Methodist church hire private investigators to dig up dirt about you for long periods of time, follow you. go through your garbage, tell horrific lies about you to your neighbors, family , friends, employers, in court and on the internet?

          Have you ever had an Episcopalian church or Presbyterian church illegally gain access to your credit card and internet history to plant evidence on you and to keep track of your very move?

          Have you ever had a Catholic church or Congregational church have operatives move in to your neighborhood to befriend you, with the sole purpose of video-taping you on live feed cameras and doing whatever they can to utterly destroy you?

          This is what the above suit is all about regarding Monique Rathbun. No other church has as a church policy to do these things. The C o S does and it is what its founder L. Ron Hubbard considered a tenet of the “religion”.

          I recommend that you do some more reading from the past articles of Tony Ortega’s blog here and when he wrote his Runnin’ Scared blog at the Village voice.

          You are focusing on religion and not the criminal acts perpetrated.

        • NeverIn

          Baptist = Scientology? OK here is where we disagree, but Guest says it better than me.

    • stillgrace2

      Judging by your ratio of ‘number of comments’ to ‘number of up votes’, you are either an unpopular poster or you like to troll around. Why come here?

      • My comment is my comment. I am not that concerned with being “unpopular”. I decided a couple of years ago NOT to run for Underground Bunker Cheerleader. I am fine being on the cheering squad.
        Since it seems important to you, allow me to give you a UP vote and remember…GO BUNKERS GO!

        • stillgrace2

          Stay on topic, don’t get into off-topic political dramas, and/or troll and bunkerites may let you hang around. good luck.

          • Please see my comment response below. And rest assured I am NOT going to clear my view point with you or anyone who is more concerned with some idiotic rating meter. So why don’t you report my comment to the powers that be here and let them decide. But for you to demean and refer to me as a troll for simply not understanding my opinion or agreeing with it is ignorant.
            I tried to respond with a sense of humor but you find it necessary to spew about trolls, acceptance for bunkerites and my lack of popularity.
            I have yet to find a comment from you that contributes to this conversation You seem to just be taken with me.

            • stillgrace2

              Why post here? Why not post on the current thread?

            • Jgg2012

              I don’t think that they see Scientology as a Church. A Christian Church does not folow and harass critics. Waldrip has already said “so it’s not really a church, then”.

    • NeverIn

      Your comment is just unclear. I don’t understand this statement: “I can see Xtionista’s being paranoid like gun owners that this might lead to church hassles.” And in your last sentence, I don’t know who “they” are or what alternative to preaching politics in church would constitute “more than enough.”

      If you are saying that religious organizations have PLENTY of free speech leeway as it is, especially in places like Texas, and allowing them to harass people at their homes is WAY beyond that line, I agree with you completely. And if you are saying that a Texas judge might nonetheless side with them because of the pro-church-free-speech culture there, then I can see where you are coming from, though that would be a political position and not a legal one.ย 

      But I think it’s wrong for three reasons. First, this pro-church culture is, in terms of political power, specifically pro-Christian, and leans heavily fundamentalist/evangelical at that. Second, the same Texans are obsessed with protection and preservation of personal safety, property and privacy (the real root of the gun thing), and this trumps anything they would allow their church to do. Texans will identify with the Rathbuns before they identify with the CoS. Finally, this same political power in Texas loves an US vs THEM fight. But anti-CoS people are not any single, easily defined or identified group. We make a lousy THEM. Whereas Scientology is an ideal THEM – apparently atheist, explicitly non-Christian morals and ethics, and possibly worst of all: from California.

      • I live in Texas. When a murder involving gun’s happens and the subject of more gun laws are on the table, folks here go about saying that one minor gun law will lead to Obama going door to door to collect our guns. Same thing when it comes to religion/cult. While Texas Xtionista’s (Christian Extremist) may seen Scientology as a vile cult, they MAY fear that restricting them in anyway would lead to a closer look at their OWN religious activities. Activities such as every Sunday bringing Politics into the Pulpit and telling people how to vote if they want to get to their imaginary heaven.
        In addition to being a Texan, I am an atheist who views most organized religions as the root of most evil and many wars.
        So to put it bluntly….Scientology, Heaven’s Gate, Jim Jones, Catholic’s Baptist, or The Church of the Jedi……Six of one/half dozen.
        I sorry if my view is different but for someone to suggest I CHANGE MY view before commenting here ……..is a bit off putting, holier than though and incredibly hypocritical considering the subject matter.
        While I have seen almost every documentary ever made of the subject of Scientology and have seen video of Ms. Rathbun being harassed, I feel she deserves to win this lawsuit for many reasons. So while we are both in agreement with that, we simply have different ways of reaching the same conclusion.

        • NeverIn

          Jack, I’m glad we’re in agreement. And for the record, I did not tell you what to believe or suggest you should not comment. I also was not speaking to why I thought the Rathbuns should win (that seems obvious) but rather why I think they will. I have spent most of my adult life in Texas also, and I also personally reject organized religion in general (though I can appreciate its value to others). So my opinion on whether or not Scientology could win hearts and minds in Texas differs from yours, but my point of view is much the same.

          I value your opinion here, but I think we will be able to engage more meaningfully with you, if that matters to you, if your top-level comments are more clearly stated and more clearly related to the topic at hand.

    • Peter

      Gun owner? Paranoiid? Are you one of those antigun nuts??? LOL

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Submitted for your approval… A drunken Texan attempts to troll using a caricature of a drunken Texan as his model… The sign post ahead.. eat your weight in beef, eat for free… next sign… THE TEXAS ZONE..

  • Arthur B

    Isn’t the danger of the Church asking for ridiculous concessions to them based on their First Amendment rights that they’ll end up getting the same concessions extended to the squirrels?

    I mean, the entire basis of their argument here seems to be that their First Amendment rights require them to attack and squash the First Amendment rights of other people to practice their religion in a way the Church disapproves of. If the Catholic Church tried to sue Catholic splinter groups out of existence in the US they’d be laughed out of court precisely because whilst you can disinvite people from your Church, you can’t actually stop someone from practicing a religion.

    • Michael Hobson

      Yep. ‘xactly!

  • Scotty Lass

    Totally off topic here, but as I am reading todays blog via my smart phone, I clicked the link Tony has posted for us to read the Documents. Once a new page opens on the documents an Advert for $cientology runs a banner across the top of the page. Below are the screens shots I managed to get. Does anyone else recieve these adverts while reading Tonys blog?

    • NeverIn

      HAhahaha! I love the thought that Scientology is paying to show ads to Bunkerites.

      But then it makes me sad all over again for the poor schmucks paying Scientology.

      • Scotty Lass

        It is very sad and hopefully people don’t fall for their bs anymore…but really, do they actually think by advertising on The Underground Bunker will sway us follwers to join their CULT.

        • NeverIn

          They do not, and that ad isn’t technically on the Bunker. It’s the document service.

  • Jgg2012

    If you look at http://www.scientologymyths.info/david-miscavige/ you will again see that Miscavige is not only Scientology’s leader but is considered an indispensable person. No mention of Heber Jentzsch.

  • CJTX

    Interesting story!

  • peakofelephants

    Is it safe to assume that Allan Cartwright is related to Nancy “Bart Simpson” Cartwright?

  • peakofelephants

    “The cameras are the type typically used to photograph game”

    I’m not sure the best way to say “Hey, it’s not like we’re doing anything weird/illegal, we’re just a church” is to explain that you take the term fair “game” quite literally, as in “the most dangerous game”…