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U.S. SUPREME COURT DENIES SCIENTOLOGY IN FORCED-ABORTION LAWSUIT

Laura_DeCrescenzoThe U.S. Supreme Court has denied the Church of Scientology’s final appeal that would have kept Laura DeCrescenzo (pictured at right) from using evidence from her employment files in her lawsuit against the church that alleges disturbing abuse, including forcing her to have an abortion at 17.

Scientology had wanted the Supreme Court to review the constitutionality of California’s clergy-penitent privilege statute, under which the church was forced to turn over 18,000 pages of documents from Laura’s files compiled during the years she worked for the church.

The church’s petition was not among the small number selected by the Court from approximately 900 petitions that had been submitted for its October term. And so with the final appeal cleared away, DeCrescenzo can now make use of the evidence the church turned over earlier this year. But now she faces another daunting challenge in her four-year legal odyssey: the church’s motion for summary judgment, scheduled to be heard in Los Angeles Superior Court on October 23.

DeCrescenzo started working for the Church of Scientology at nine years of age, and joined its elite Sea Org at 12, signing its standard billion-year contract. For the next thirteen years, from 1991 to 2004, she worked in the Sea Org. Her schooling stopped, she worked 100-hour weeks, and she was paid about $40 a week. She married at 16 — common in the Sea Org — and got pregnant at 17, which is against Sea Org rules. The Sea Org takes total dedication, and that means there’s no time for raising a family. Like other women who have come forward, DeCrescenzo says she was forced to have an abortion or she would have been kicked out of the Sea Org and separated from her husband.

Five years after the abortion, DeCrescenzo faced another of the Sea Org’s hellish realities — the Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF), the Sea Org’s prison detail. Three years later, she was still stuck in the punishment program with no apparent way to get out of it. So she faked a suicide, gulping down some bleach. After that, she was kicked out of the Sea Org (which had become her intention).

The church then hit her with a $120,000 bill, called “freeloader’s debt,” that anyone who leaves the Sea Org faces. (It’s legally unenforceable, but Sea Org members are told that if they leave, they will be billed for all the Scientology services they received at reduced rates.)

DeCrescenzo filed her lawsuit in 2009, and in 2012, Superior Court Judge Ronald Sohigian determined that she was entitled to the documents that had been compiled in her “pc files” over the duration of her time working for the church. Scientology objected, saying that the documents were compiled during religious “auditing” sessions, and forcing it to turn them over would be like asking a Catholic priest to divulge what a penitent said in confession.

Unlike Catholic confession, however, Scientology auditing sessions and employment interrogations are recorded, with voluminous notes taken which are shared among numerous Scientology officials. In fact, Scientology acknowledged that the material in DeCrescenzo’s files was compiled and reviewed by some 259 “ministers.” For that reason, Sohigian decided that California’s clergy-penitent law didn’t apply, and the church couldn’t keep the records hidden based on the California statute, which requires that a priest or minister can only keep secret what a pentitent said if it wasn’t shared with a third party.

Scientology then appealed to California’s Supreme Court and then the U.S. Supreme Court, saying that the law was unconstitutional because it singled out Scientology for not treating confession the way Catholicism does. But as DeCrescenzo’s attorneys pointed out in one of their responses, even the Catholic church couldn’t keep information hidden when it didn’t abide by the rules of priest-penitent confidentiality — specifically in one case when information confessed by an abusive priest was shared between two diocesan officials.

Scientology’s appeal of Sohigian’s order failed to interest a state appeals court and the California Supreme Court. The church was then denied its request for an emergency stay by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy, and now the full U.S. Supreme Court has not chosen the church’s petition for its October term and has denied the petition.

 
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Laura DeCrescenzo can now make use of the 18,000 pages of evidence the church was forced to turn over in July. And she’ll need it, as she faces another tough hurdle in her case later this month.

We asked attorney Scott Pilutik to help us understand why the October 23 hearing is a crucial one, as DeCrescenzo attempts to win over a judge who has already decided her lawsuit has timing problems.

It’s been more than two years since Laura’s case was heard by the California Court of Appeals, so I suppose it would be helpful to reacquaint everyone, including myself, with what’s happened and where we are now. Recall that Scientology moved to dismiss Laura’s case on the basis that the statute of limitations for Laura’s claims had run, and the trial court agreed, suggesting that Laura’s claims began to accrue or “toll” in 2004/2005 and by the time she filed in 2009, it was too late.

Laura appealed on the basis that the statute of limitations should be tolled not from the time of the particular injuries occurred, but from the time she was first able comprehend the existence of the injuries. In legal terms, Scientology should be “equitably estopped” (prevented) from raising the statute of limitations defense because it was Scientology that caused the delay. By its coercion, intimidation, and the content of the releases and other documents it had Laura sign, Scientology deliberately led her to believe she had no claim.

The appeals court agreed with Laura, but an appeals court can only decide matters of law. The question of whether Laura’s reliance on Scientology’s representations of her having no claim was reasonable is an issue of fact, which can only be decided by a trial court. The trial court made no factual finding whatsoever as to Laura’s reasonableness, but that is precisely the question the appeals court has directed it to now answer.

Obviously, since it declined to even address the issue the first time around, it seems safe to suggest that the trial court didn’t think much of the argument to begin with. But if it is going to find for Scientology a second time it will need to at least explain why Scientology’s actions toward Laura (e.g., having her sign documents purporting to exculpate Scientology, claiming Laura owed $120,000 in freeloader’s debt, forbidding her from reading entheta that might alert her to the existence of her rights, threatened with disconnection, etc.) are of no matter with respect to the reasonableness of Laura’s belief that she had no recourse.

It’s also worth realizing that if Laura wins, and convinces the trial court that her delay in bringing the suit was reasonable, the case isn’t over but rather proceeds to the trial phase, where all the allegations she made in her second amended complaint — Forced Abortion, False Imprisonment, Deprivation of Liberty, Labor Law claims, Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress — can finally be heard. I suppose, though, that if Laura wins — if the trial court finds against Scientology on the issue of Laura’s reasonableness in delaying bringing suit — that Scientology would want to appeal such a ruling. But that’s perhaps getting ahead of the game a bit.

So, armed with 18,000 pages of evidence from her pc files, will Laura DeCrescenzo now convince Judge Ronald Sohigian that the amount of time it took her to file suit in 2009 was reasonable, when he was the one who decided previously that she had filed too late? That’s a daunting challenge, and we’ll be watching all the way.

 
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Leah_Remini_DWTSScientology Fighting to Keep Leah Remini out of Texas Lawsuit

On Friday, the Church of Scientology moved to quash a subpoena for actress Leah Remini before it has even been served. The church wants to prevent Remini from being deposed in the harassment lawsuit against the church filed by Bulverde, Texas resident Monique Rathbun.

Monique’s attorneys are trying to gather evidence for an October 18 hearing during which Scientology leader David Miscavige’s attempt to be removed from the lawsuit will be considered (Miscavige disputes the court’s jurisdiction over him and says he has nothing to do with the harassment allegations in Monique’s complaint). We’ve been told that Remini has been asked to testify because she has direct knowledge of Miscavige’s control over Scientology, and also of his interest in Monique’s husband and the main target of church harassment, Mark “Marty” Rathbun, who was once Miscavige’s top lieutenant. As we reported earlier, Leah Remini met with Miscavige in October, 2012, before her final decision to leave the church, which she had been a part of since childhood.

Monique’s lead attorney Ray Jeffrey will argue at a hearing before Comal County Judge Dib Waldrip tomorrow afternoon that his subpoenas to depose Remini and former Scientology spokesman Tommy Davis — which the church also quashed — should be reinstated.

 
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Jonny Jacobsen Counts Down French Court Decision

Our friend in Paris, British journalist Jonny Jacobsen, is counting down the days before France’s highest court decides whether to uphold a fraud conviction against the Church of Scientology in that country. Today, he begins a four-part series by tracing the history of the case which brought the church to this point. As usual, Jonny is rigorously thorough.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on October 7, 2013 at 09:40

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  • SandiCorrena

    Here comes Leah!

    • Aslansown

      I’ve already voted for her before I watched her dance!

    • Elen

      I was just going to post that!! Thank you!

    • noseinabk

      Luv the gold cat suit.

      • DodoTheLaser

        More updates, please!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Yeah Baby! Raaawwwrrrrr!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I wish you would get on the same schedule as us………..”old people”………..

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I would but you all take too long in the bathroom and it gets me all discombobulated.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              heh heh heh

              You know you love us!

    • Ruby

      do tell! I won’t see it til later…

      • Elen

        Do you really want to know Ruby?

        • Ruby

          I want to know what dance she did and did the judges like her. Thanks!

          • Elen

            Sorry it took me so long… this is old news now! I saw up above people have posted info. Wow! The bunker moves at the speed of light!

            • Ruby

              All good! Thanks, Elen!

    • DodoTheLaser

      How’s Leah doing?

      • SandiCorrena

        She rocked

        • DodoTheLaser

          Hell Yeah!!!!

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Fucking LOL…………”guest”‘, St. Claire and I have just fucking derailed the hell out of RADAR ONLINE.

    OK, People………fair warning….If St. Claire ever comes over here to post you all better be on your most empathetic and best “genuinely welcoming” behavior,
    I have been busting my ass on this particular Scientologist for a long time.
    IF….I can get him here…………show him why you are here and that we really care.
    And if you don’t. I will stalk you and be a pain in your ass!!!
    Just sayin.
    BTN……………out for now……..going back to help “guest”.

    • Ruby

      ooohhh…think I will head over 🙂

    • Elen

      Yay! You go BTN!! We will be good & kind…

    • Aslansown

      I always think of what happened with Tory — that it was Arnie Lerma’s kindness that led her to leave the church.

      • DodoTheLaser

        I think it was initially Andreas Heldal-Lund. But Arnie I’m sure helped tremendously as well.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreas_Heldal-Lund

        • Aslansown

          Oh sorry — you’re right! I’ll edit. Thanks!

          • DodoTheLaser

            No problem.

    • aquaclara

      Here. I saved a brownie for you. We are wearing our nice outfits, and pouring tea to welcome our newest guests. Welcome, and oh, there’s a wee nip in that tea.

      Thanks, BTN.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        No! Thank you for the nip…i was running on empty.
        UNIVERSE FORBID!!!

        • aquaclara

          Don’t worry! Yours is straight up. You did all the work. Cheers!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Dammit! Do I really have to wash my best underwear AGAIN?

    • Verve

      Sigh, I guess I can’t bring out the monkey horde for St.C then.

    • Mooser

      A little cryptic, but I get it. OK!

    • KJP in Portland

      Yes ma’am.

    • Eclipse-girl

      You and guest did a great job. S/he (I think of he) is participating.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        He just wigged on me…attack!!!! whoa! wierd.
        Good sign?
        maybe.

        • AngryElf

          Ok – went to ROL and followed your conversation. Nice job getting that train back on the rails. I don’t comment often so I probably don’t pose much of a threat (barring it isn’t late night and the there is still some wine left in the bottle) but if he ever shows up here I promise to put on my best southern charms and be sweet as pie. Think sweet tea, a rocking chair and me fanning myself while muttering, “Bless his heart.”
          Admirable work BTN – hopefully he will find a soft place to land here and know that most people in The Bunker genuinely care.

    • i-Betty

      100%. I’ll be looking out for him. It does look as though you might be close to getting him to check us out. Great work, Bury 🙂

  • aquaclara

    GO, Leah!!!

    Everyone, please VOTE!

  • EnthralledObserver

    Just finished watching Tory’s interview with Allison Hope Weiner… Makemerich is a “limp-dick who probably can’t even get it up”… lol… I’m feeling you, Tory, no really. lol
    Good job, hon!!!

  • Kangaroo

    It’s time for Dancing with the Stars in the Eastern Time Zone. Leah Remini has done her dance for this week. If you are inclined, please vote for her online at the ABC web site, via Facebook, and/or via phone at 800-868-3411. You can vote multiple times through each. 🙂

    • Miss Tia

      VOTE!!! 1-800-868-3411 GO LEAH!!!!! didn’t mean to shout, but y’all gotta call like 10 times and go to abc.com and vote 9 times!!!!

      • EnthralledObserver

        How long does it take for someone to get that sucker on youtube?

        • DodoTheLaser

          Not that long usually. I’m on it.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Awesome… 🙂

      • DodoTheLaser

        Every time you vote for Leah and Tony – 1 scientologist leaves their cult!
        Well, I made that one up, but I can’t be too far off! 🙂

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Nice thought.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Thank you!

  • SandiCorrena

    Next week they pick their own song that means something to them; I was daydreaming of George Michael’s Freedom (cause I don’t belong to you)! GO LEAH

    • EnthralledObserver

      “We Stand Tall”… tongue in cheek, of course… :p

      • AsthmaticDwarf

        Ok, EO – but only if everybody dancin’ is 5′ 2″ or shorter!!!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Umpa lumpas dance!

        • EnthralledObserver

          They dance it on their knees… :p

          • AsthmaticDwarf

            LOL!!!

          • Ruby

            And they haver to wear Hermes shirts

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              GACK

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              New Age of Gack?

      • Ruby

        Hahaha!!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      To be specific, it mentions songs inspired by their most memorable year……at least on the automated phone voting. Would that be THIS year for Leah? Whew, it could be a doozie!

      • SandiCorrena

        Katie Perry’s ROAR

    • DodoTheLaser

      That or Lisa Marie Presley’s – You Aint Seen Nothing Yet:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSSZVBkdHps

      • Rita Gregory

        OMG! that would be so cool! Davey boy would have a FIT!

      • SandiCorrena

        I texted her your suggestion

        • DodoTheLaser

          You did?!! Holy sweet Mother of God and baby Jesus!
          Thank you, Sandi!!!!!

          • SandiCorrena

            Tweeted I mean-it was a brilliant suggestion!

            • DodoTheLaser

              Oh, that is just as good, since she reads her tweets. I appreciate it.

  • IBBy

    I got my chores done so I can comfortably watch DWTS. I’ve got 2 lines I can vote from and a few facebooks as well *looks around shiftily* TEAM LEAH! You get yours girl, we’re behind you 100%

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’m having evil thoughts of going to the Clearwater Scilon Starbucks if she makes it deep into the competition and streaming it as loud as possible in there on my laptop. Is that wrong? Good, cause I know wrong.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Did I tell you I went and got a latte downtown the very next morning. heh heh.

        • KJP in Portland

          Were they still tailing you?, heh!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Nope, but don’t think I wasn’t looking.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I saw that yes. Love it!!!! You left your party swag at THDNE house. Old people…always forgetting shit.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            No shit. forgot my MUG and MY CD!!!
            I WANT THEM.

            Oh, and I will kick your young ass in a heartbeat dude!!!!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              No doubt! I’z sceeered.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Ok, got ya trained. carry on…lol

      • EnthralledObserver

        That is so wrong, it’s criminal NOT to do it!!!

      • Aslansown

        I would pay to have video of you doing that!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          If I could do it with a straight face, it would be even better to strike up a conversation with the Sea Ogres in there and act like I had no idea how wrong it was. “Say, have you guys ever seen this Dancing with the Stars Tv show? No? Really? OMG! Leah Remini, that actress who left Scientology is on it and she’s amazing! Wanna watch? Huh? YOU’RE a Scientolgist? No way! GTFO! Where’s Xenu?” You know, something like that, but I am a mess trying to pull pranks that involve NOT laughing immediately, so I could never do it, but I’d be glad be moral and tech support for a good actor.

          • Aslansown

            At that point you’d probably be surrounded by security and a Clearwater cop with lights blazing would come by and ask you what you were doing!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Not out of the realm of possibilities, but it is NOT a scientology owned(as far as I know) business, so I think we are good.

            • Aslansown

              OK – good.

      • KJP in Portland

        It would be even cooler if the local hangouts / bars put it on their big screen TVs for the patrons!

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        my goodness, I am enturbulated just thinking about it!

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          If she makes it to the finals, who will join me at the Starbucks? I’m totally serious.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I will!

    • Verve

      Don’t forget ABC’s website; you can vote 9 times there, too.

      • DodoTheLaser

        One would need to create an account with abc, but it only takes 2 minutes.

  • KJP in Portland

    It was a good first day on new job. Should go fine tomorrow as well. Felt kinda strange being up with the ‘day people’ again!

    Did I miss anything good today?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      2000 posts? Naw….

      • DodoTheLaser

        ROFL!

      • KJP in Portland

        Just a regular, snoozy day at The Bunker then!

    • Ruby

      Good for you!

    • EnthralledObserver

      Awesome… welcome to daylight. 😉

    • aquaclara

      Nice! Good luck this week!

    • Eclipse-girl

      Hope you are over the first day jitters. Congrats on the new job.

      • KJP in Portland

        (((hugs))) Thanks!

    • Verve

      Congrats on the job. I’m still looking.

    • IBBy

      grats! Somewhere down the line there was an interesting conversation about how we become less and less shocked by the weird stuff that comes out of the COS

  • SandiCorrena

    She is safe

    • Aslansown

      Yay! I don’t watch the rest of the show so I’m glad you told us!

    • Ruby

      Yay! I have not seen it yet, but glad do know that!

    • DodoTheLaser

      Heck yeah she is!

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    i will just leave this here cuz it is cute and there is a Squirrel involved.
    Oh and cuz I love Bert too.

    • GlibWog

      Oh Bury.. Gier Isene ( I said John McGee..) Damn of course I met Gier the other night..

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        HUH?

        • GlibWog

          I thought I was talking to you about him.. I must be mistaken..
          sorry.. Night sweetie..

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            You hittin’ the hard lemonade again?

            • GlibWog

              OMG.. I wish I had one right now.. Jesus H..

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              ditto

            • GlibWog

              Did you get my E mail Bury.. I feel better after seeing L Wrong and your avi right now..

              Just a Crap Ass day

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I will go look right now

  • media_lush

    No idea if this has been posted but this is the pretty cool cover of:
    Gier Isene: “Nineteen eighty four – My way into Scientology’s inner secrets – and out again”
    Regulars here will have seen his videos Tony posted here a couple of months ago. The books only in Norwegian at the moment but will soon be in English

    • Eclipse-girl

      down buried in the comment is a link to a review by Jens T. I think the review was on esmb.

      • media_lush
        • DodoTheLaser

          My Book Review (quoting with full attribution permitted and encouraged):

          http://www.humanistforlag.no/index.php?ID=Bok&ID2=174

          Geir Isene’s “Nineteen eighty four – My way into Scientology’s inner
          secrets – and out again” charts his journey into the criminal
          organisation known as the “church” of $cientology, re-tracing his
          childhood along the way and wrapping up with a post-script defining
          himself as no kind of $cientologist after having been out for four
          years.

          I have to declare an interest in doing this review, as I am a long-time
          critic of the Co$ and have never been in. I reckon that there are people
          for whom the language barrier is insurmountable – happily I can read
          Norwegian well enough to give a review (even if I have to admit that
          there might be an adjective or two I missed; this was not word cleared
          in any way shape or form), and I’m fluent in $cientologeese.

          Summary:

          Geir grew up happy, well looked after, curious and fiercely intelligent.
          By the time he was 18 he had fixed on ambitions in astrophysics after
          having had good long looks at the natural sciences, partly by
          gatecrashing Oslo university. Geir’s curiousity lead him to accept an
          invitation to watch the introduction film in the, to him unknown, local
          $cientology “org.” In relatively short order he was taking courses and
          getting tremendous personal gains. Basically, basic $cientology
          communication exercises made it possible for him to put aside a huge
          shyness and talk to girls (and more). From this new lack of inhibitions
          he built a career running an independent radio (about – and itself a –
          role playing game) which was a success. Some things had to give, he had
          to put a lot of time into being a staff member and he didn’t complete
          his university studies, but he was not only getting a lot out of various
          communication techniques, he also wanted to help save the planet and
          this turned out to be a $cientology speciality. Or so they said.

          Apart from an early flirtation with being on staff at the Oslo org, Geir
          was mainly active as a public $cientologist getting a senior position
          in the WISE company U-MAN selling personality tests as the basis for
          recruitment consultancy. He decided to stop fooling around and settle
          down, and shortly thereafter met a woman through his job and they ended
          up married with two children, she joining the Co$ at the start of their
          relationship.

          Geir’s path inside the $cientology machine was smooth, apart from a
          slight slow-down as he worked off significant debts he built up paying
          in advance. He managed to get all the way to OT8, in spite of the first
          “Golden Age of Technology.” Although he found the incessant “security
          checks” aggravating, he did not have a hard time with them.

          It’s important to highlight that Geir continued to experience
          improvements in his well-being as a result of doing $cientology. At the
          same time, he neither expected nor achieved reliable supernatural
          abilities / experiences. He right away decided that the space opera
          aspects of OT3 were not the crucial thing and the fact that he felt
          better after completing the course was what he wanted out of it.

          The tone in the $cientology organisation hardened about the same time as
          Geir attested OT7 and OT8. He found himself the centre of attention
          from the internbational leadership as a fundraising leader at the same
          time as the “ideal Org” programme ramped up. Optimistic is not the word
          to describe the expectations from those in the organisation who felt
          they could make demands of him (since, as an OT8, he could do ANYTHING),
          and he was shocked to hear that an early idea for obtaining a wildly
          expensive building was for Geir to phone a property owner and simply
          talk that owner into donating the building. Simple as that!

          Not only were the demands on Geir insane, the pressure to raise money
          was insane. Donation events where the dors were kept locked until the
          fundraising target was achieved made a lasting impression (but not
          enough to make Geir leave). One of the few – but no less heartfelt –
          regrets in the book is that Geir let himself be used to convince others
          to donate vast sums for projects / services which definitely were not
          worth it.

          Geir was one of the few OTs who knew more about computers than what LRH
          had told them, so he got to try to guide OSA through the politics of
          interacting with the Internet, with Wikipedia and with the EFF. In
          parallel with this activity, he was asked to volunteer for OSA to find
          out what was the extent and vialibity of criticism of the Co$ in Norway.
          As luck would have it, Norway had an established and very vital website
          – operation clambake – whose leader was able to withstand Geir’s not
          very elegant cloak and dagger infiltration attempt.

          David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige is encountered personally on the
          Freewinds at an OT8 promotopnal event very shortly after Geir attested
          that level. DM had decided that Geir was the new ED for Oslo org and
          Geir was so surprised that he hardly managed to point blank refuse. Geir
          maintained the refusal, with no particular ill effects, but noted that
          DM was hardly practitising the standard technology he preached when he
          proposed a radical reorganisation so suddenly. The doubts instilled
          during this meeting came to the fore later as Geir found out about the
          allegations of a culture of violence surrounding and perpetrated by DM.

          While Geir had not experimented with outside religions much during his
          early phase as a $cientologist, he met members of a new Hindu religious
          movement, “The All World Gayatri Pariwar.” He travelled to India, and
          lectured to a select group about $cientology, about the Hubbard view of
          reincarnation and about auditing. Geit was interested in the large
          numbers of scientists in this religion, and the fact that within much
          the same time span as the Co$ they have managed to grow a lot bigger. He
          also noted that the atmosphere was different from that in the Co$.

          Geir’s path to $cientology criticism started with being asked to find
          out exactly what was available on the Internet in terms of the OT
          levels. As an OT, he could go to places on the Internet where the less
          highly trained OSA staffers could not. Later, the summer of 2007, Geir
          was told that some US jourmalists were looking around for stories of
          David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige being violent. Geir dutifully found a
          few stories from earlier reports, but nothing current about Norwegian
          journalists being on this story. Geir wasn’t done, but spent several
          hours a night, summer 2007 – summer 209 surfing the web to find out more
          information. From his earlier personal introduction to heavy ethics
          (being yelled at and spat on by Sea Ogres), he did not find the
          accusations incredible. Rather the contrary. Finding out about Marty
          Rathbun’s defection and reading “the Truth Rundown” tipped him into
          actively finding out more and seeking out ex-members and critics. None
          of these activities were known about by the Co$ where Geir continued, if
          less enthusiastically then before.

          Geir and his wife made a joint decision to leave the Co$, Geir published
          his Doubt Formula n the Internet and the rest is the story about how
          Geir went from paying freezoner to enthusiast to the point where he
          describes himself as no kind of $cientolgist at all.

          My opinion:

          Geir’s passage through the Co$ was a lot less conflicted than that of
          most people who write books about it. What makes it interesting is
          partly the fact that very few OT8s have written about the experience,
          partly that Geir is very open about the fact that he had an easy time
          but at the same time that he was not exposed to all the really bad
          abuses in the Sea Org etc. His book does not accuse the Co$ of great
          crimes against his person, but notes many evil acts that stem from the
          fact that Hubbard defined a cult, not a religion (KSW and disconnection
          are repeatedly referred to as instrument and practise of a cult and as
          having been put in place as such by Hubbard).

          I can only bemoan the fact that Geir did take the bait at a time where
          he was susceptible and that no-one around him were able to point out the
          whole story about the Co$. I knew people who shared his traits of
          brilliance and curiousity when I was a student (even if I was not one of
          them), and I like those people.

          Geir’s book echoes with his initial uncritical acceptance of Hubbard’s
          teachings. He states himself that he doesn’t like reading a book from a
          critical angle because he then forces himself on the book. Well, I do
          disagree with some of the enthusiasm expressed – at the end in the
          chapter about what could be kept and what should definitely be thrown
          out from Hubbard’s teachings. As I come from a teaching family I can
          only agree that looking up words in a dictionary is not all there is to
          reading a book. What irritates me is that while Geir duly notes that
          understanding of meaning is curiously absent from Hubbard’s method, Geir
          does not make the full mental leap to describing “study tech” as a
          “thought stopping” technique designed to remove all desire to understand
          Hubbard’s writings in any way other than the one true way – KSW all the
          way. Other ex-members have gone into detail about how “Study Tech,”
          “Ethics” and KSW are not accidental pollutions of an otherwise pure
          fount of wisdom, but the very essence of a cult. Likewise, while Geir
          attributes early exteriorisation experiences to Hubbard being right, he
          curiously does not go into the possibility of the effect actually being a
          hypnotic state, induced purposefully by Hubbard (nor into the very
          simple procedures for finding out that there is, in fact, no such thing
          as a demonstrable experience of “exteriorisation with full perception” –
          or so says the Randi foundation and its million dollars).

          In conclusion, this book will resonate with many members and ex-members
          of the Co$. Geir writes in a direct and unaffected way, if he does not
          scale the heights reached n Jeff Hawkins’ book. Perhaps the message to
          take away is that this book describes how the cult-like mechanisms baked
          into Hubbard’s teachings – KSW and friends – did finally manage to
          drive away a devoted follower who had been fully content with the actual
          $cientology.” ~

          jensting

        • Eclipse-girl

          TY . Sorry about the mistake

  • DodoTheLaser

    Here it is:

    Leah Remini ‏& Tony – Cha Cha – DWTS 17 (Week 4)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmEULaEG8ic

    • DodoTheLaser

      They got 8’s again from the judges and we will see them next week!

      • Miss Tia

        yeah!!! every one still be sure to go to abc.com to vote for them and you call the # for up to one hour after air time!!!! keep voting!!!

        • Aslansown

          Woo hoo! Hey Miss Tia! Been doing any tweeting lately?

          • Miss Tia

            NO! I have not!! I have been busy with another CO$ endeavor currently and today I have to go run errands and have a doctor’s appointment early this afternoon. HOPEFULLY I can start tweeting again tomorrow! 🙂 I miss it! 😀

    • aurora50

      I LOVE how he partners her…watch how he adjusts to help her keep her balance and rhythm…made me cry!

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yes, great dancing chemistry and you can tell he really cares about her, show or not.

        • Aslansown

          That’s what I love too — he seems to really care about her. I’ve never watched the show before so I don’t know if he’s always like that, but he seems like he so wants to encourage her.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Exactly, you can’t fake that.

          • Kitty lover

            There is a special quality that Leah possesses. She seems tough as nails, but vulnerable at the same time. A real person, a good person with a loving heart. It seems like he wants the best for her. He has her back.

            Go Leah, in all your Fringe badness!

            • Aslansown

              You described her exactly as I see her too, and he really does have her back. With each score he squeezed her closer b/c he knew how disappointed she would be if she didn’t get a “9” …. This show is probably the best thing she could have done for her own self-esteem as well as just “getting out there”. I really hope she stays for a long time.

            • DodoTheLaser

              I subscribe.

        • IBBy

          Watching him partner her makes me want to go take ballroom classes. he makes it look enjoyable!

          • DodoTheLaser

            So true! Reminds me of the saying – “There are no bad students, just bad teachers”.
            Tony is definitely a good one!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Thanks. Watching now!

      EDIT: She has FRINGE baby! Lots of fringy stuff going on there. I wanna believe…..

      • DodoTheLaser

        My pleasure!

        • Kitty lover

          Thanks for putting that up. Voting complete for this kitty.

          • DodoTheLaser

            And thanks to you too, Kitty! 🙂

      • Jo

        You can’t beat a bit of fringe. Love your sense of humour.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Really? Are you mentally 13 also? 😉

          • Jo

            Maybe.

    • KJP in Portland

      She’s communing with us! fringe!

  • DodoTheLaser

    Hey guys, here the longer and a better quality video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoNvc2Xlxo8

    • DodoTheLaser

      Includes the training segment and short interview before and after the actual Cha Cha.

      • Aslansown

        I love what happens at the 2 minute mark while Leah and Tony are standing there. He’s talking to her and it looks like he’s really giving her a pep talk and building her up. I love it.

    • jeff

      Thanks DTL

      • DodoTheLaser

        No problem. This vid is MUCH better and longer.

        Leah is like an Egyptian Queen, she’s doing great!
        Tony Dovolani + Leah Remini = Win after win after win!

        • jeff

          Yes, but I actually think her dancing has gotten much better over the last couple weeks, which is not reflected in her stats. Three weeks in a row of triple eights.

          • DodoTheLaser

            I noticed that too. Even though I liked her wearing all black and dancing to Skyfall last week (and it’s still my fave so far), technically she definitely improved this week.

            • DodoTheLaser

              Going Gold this week is just as good actually, plus improved skills. 🙂

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Dodo, fuck egypt………………….FRINGE

          • DodoTheLaser

            Fine! Golden Fringe Queen! 🙂

    • NeverIn

      Thanks again this week, Dodo! She’s getting better – and funnier – every week.
      And thanks to Leah for the wink-and-nod fringe! We’re feeling the love out here. 🙂

    • EnthralledObserver

      Thanks, Dodo… I finally got to this. 😀 She did great. As Bury pointed out above somewhere, “fringes” how approps… :p

  • IBBy

    holy cow Leahs outfit is somethin else! get some wiggle in that walk!

    • IBBy

      also lol @ “omg i just had sex with your leg”

      • SandiCorrena

        She is sooooo funny!

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    FRINGE!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Right?

    • Aslansown

      That didn’t even hit me — hilarious!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        The devil is always in the details…………LULZ

        • Aslansown

          hahahahahaha!

  • Dee Fogger

    Derail re: Rathbuns suit and Miscavige saying he had nothing to do with anything other than ecclesiastical duties. Remember that ‘scathingly’ hilarious letter to Graydon Carter where they threatened to sue and never did? The one where his lawyers claimed “Mr. Miscavige is the leader of a dynamic global religion expanding across five continents. His duties are herculean and accomplishments monumental. He is not a “third wheel” to anything or anyone.”

    And this bit tells me that he’s in charge of everything not just RTC. “In just the past few years Mr. Miscavige has also personally led the Church’s 25-year program to recover all of its Founder’s writings and lectures on Scientology and to make all of the religion’s Scripture available to its parishioners. (cult site omitted) Mr. Miscavige also saw to the establishment of the Church’s all-digital religious publishing facilities, Bridge Publications in Los Angeles and New Era Publications in Copenhagen, Denmark. In 2011 he oversaw the establishment of a dissemination center for the production of materials used in the Church’s humanitarian programs.(site omitted). He also guided the Church’s recent acquisition of a full High Definition television broadcasting facility, previously owned by KCET, as part of the Church’s expanded media plan to establish a religious television broadcasting facility. Highlights of Mr. Miscavige’s myriad other activities on behalf of the religion HE SPEARHEADS may be found (my emphasis)…

    Since he is the acknowledged leader of the Idle Morgue project wouldn’t he be doing business with Texas through. at the very least, spearheading the Dallas Idle Morgue project and the Houston mission? His lawyers own words claim he’s the main in charge of everything to do with that project. “Is Mr. Miscavige asked something sensible such as “How have you managed to organize the largest ongoing Church expansion project of any religion today….”

    For those not familiar with this letter, here’s a link to go read. It’s a hoot!

    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-church-of-scientologys-rebuttal-to-vanity-fair-for-tom-cruise-article-2012-9

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      You are reffering to the Riffer Letter in the first paragraph……..chuckles

      • Dee Fogger

        Yup, that’s a thing of epic lulz..

        • aurora50

          and epic length…8 PAGES of lulz…oh, my gosh…just when I think there is nothing more to surprise me…the monumental waste of it…I sure hope it gets into the court record, the judge is going to need a chuckle…

    • Kitty lover

      Dave, Dave , Dave. You simply cannot have it both ways. Do you travel all around the world and handle all of this stuff (including Texas) or do you not?

      The Internet with its sox, the leaks that just keep coming, and all the eyes that are fixed on you.

      Boo!

    • Noni Mause

      Oh, lulzy goodness! So much to love about the Riffen letter. The hysterics seem to be driven by the outrageous gall of vanity fair to suggest that Mr M was considered to be only a 3rd wheel in TC’s r/ship – not a second wheel, and not the first wheel, where DM so obviously belongs. 🙂

    • Well spotted!

      Yes, we love Jeff Riffer’s letter (still on the ‘net, I believe) which states about apostates worth defrocking:

      “Not only did these actions not occur, but had they occurred at any
      Church, Mr. Miscavige would have been the one rectifying and defrocking
      the minister concerned.”

      That doesn’t sound passive at all… That sounds like the kind of person who would get personally involved if an ex-member started their own version of $cientology.

      • Dee Fogger

        Yes, that’s a very good point. Thanks to Riffer I’ve got an unfortunate mental image of the mighty midget defrocking some poor soul while simultaneously violently rectifying (which gets equated to rectum in this instance) them. Also, as the ecclesiastical leader he would be involved with everything related to the church since that’s the very definition of the word and the church doctrine includes the Fair Game policy per prior court arguments that all LRH wrote is doctrine. Therefore, as the leader he’d be the one to implement or approve policy.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      So on August 16, 2012, a lawyer for the CoS sends a letter stating that Vanity Fair will be in deep, deep legal trouble if they dare publish Orth’s scurrilous article.

      The article is subsequently published and 13 months later (and counting) the only deep, deep legal trouble connected to the CoS has NOTHING to do with Vanity Fair!

      • SLIM

        He sure showed them a thing or two…Yikes..

    • Nevermore

      That illustrates his 2 main problems – his vanity and his ego, neither of which will allow him to successfully pretend to be a mere ‘ecclesiastical leader’. No. He does everything, by himself, in the {church}, and by the gods he wants everyone to know that, because look at what a spectacularly great job he’s doing of it. All his letters and speeches are full of ‘Look at me, look at MEEEEEEE!’. Hopefully some day we’ll be looking right at him as they drag him off to a cell. I hate flying, but I’d cross the Pond to be there for that!

    • Sydjazz

      But he said there are no session reports. Wtf? All it says to me a million times is miscavige is god and you suck and you don’t have the fucking rank to say otherwise lol. And who is the guy he has a relationship with at vanity fair? The song your so vain is very apt for him

      • Dee Fogger

        Unbelievable, isn’t it? No session reports, no video, no gossip. They couldn’t function without session reports as Tony’s article above well demonstrates. They had to turn over 18,000 pages of these non-existent session reports.

        • Sydjazz

          Like a dog chasing its own tail. Thats what they look like to me now

  • DodoTheLaser

    Following Bury’s Cognition:

    • Aslansown

      Love it!

      • DodoTheLaser

        🙂

    • Jo

      No more dancing for me, night folks, sweet dreams.

  • aurora50

    1-800-868-3411 for Leah and Tony!

  • IBBy

    I always seem to go down the rabbit hole on Jonnys blog. So articulate

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Incredible coverage Tony!

    Everyone not a donor, ought to subscribe and click on the donate button at the top left! (I donate monthly using the auto monthly donate plan).

    Amazing coverage, excellent explanations of the cases.

    There’s never been anything like your coverage, day in, day out, like this, ever!

    That the US Supreme Court gave Laura okay to use her own pc files, that is staggering! That is the hugest loss in Scientology history! That alone is a huge huge precedent for now on! If Laura wins nothing else, that win so far is just a permanent good win for the future of anyone else asking for their pc files!

    • Elen

      May I just take a moment to say thank you. You articulate the plain truth so well. It is very helpful & freeing. I sometimes go back & review what you have written, so I am grateful it is available. Tony is a wonderful journalist & we are lucky he is so focused as well as meticulous in his reporting. He’s funny too! Your comments add so much.

      Thank you again for all you do to help others.

  • IBBy

    Nightly bunker hangover time. So much energy and excitement through the day and then bam, super adrenaline drop about this time

  • KJP in Portland

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz !!! (((hugs)))

  • Captain Howdy

    Goodnight…and talk amongst yourselves.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=291ET6Py6H8

    • Robert Eckert

      Ah, you managed to snag that Cooties from Outer Space picture!

      • Captain Howdy

        I had to download a special app to do it. And I thought “ooh, Robert is going to be so jealous” while I was doing it. I’m probably going to switch back fairly soon if you want it.

        • Robert Eckert

          Thanks for the offer, but I’ve never been one to switch around avatars.

  • Sydjazz

    I never knew there was a children’s rpf. And to have it happen not far from me? http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=78XZEPOhptA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D78XZEPOhptA

    • Graham

      Thanks for this Syd. As ever: $camatology, always worse than you think.

      Shocking to see this still happening now, and happening outside $camatology’s core territory ie the USA.

    • NormanTheGnome

      There most definitely was a children’s RPF..I was on it!at the age of 15 I was working hard Labour 8/10 hours a days then “studying” 3 hours a night.if I was in the bad books I couldn’t see my parents let alone talk to them AT ALL.I was made to run everywhere and made to feel less than worthless by the RPF Boson who took a keen liking to locking me in a closet for hours on end if I didn’t comply.,.looking back now I don’t know how I percervered.child resilience I guess..and the acceptance of thinking it was just normal soften the blow of insults and physical abuse..

      • EnthralledObserver

        Norman, the cult getting away with this kind of child abuse really pisses me off! I’m glad you were resilient enough to get through it, but it should never have happened in the first place. The bastards are coming down now, and in a way it’s their Karma for what they have done to thousands of children like you. Enjoy the revenge, even if it seems to drag on. 🙂

        • NormanTheGnome

          Thanks EO it means a lot to have a group of people who are on your side and will listen to your stuff..truthfully there were other kids on the RPF who had it worse than me.i was on the RPF for 8 months and it then was disbanned.i believe we were the last kids to go on in the late 90s,we were all sent back to the cadet org..but not with before forming strong bonds with each other and realising something wasn’t right with the ideals of the “church”.most of us our out now..but I think im the only one who made it to the Bunker…I hope The Scam soon crumbles and I can see my family and friends again free from the BS and outright Zombieness.

      • Sydjazz

        Oh you poor man. That is just awful. Thinking back when i was 15 i wasnt made to work 10 hour days i went to school rode my bike. *hugs* how have scions got away with this for ao long?

        • NormanTheGnome

          I know Syd,its atrocious really..i think a lot of it has to do with the fact that your made to feel like its normal and when you break free your in fear of losing everyone who you care for inside through disconnection so a majority of the exes (me included) keep there mouths shut or hide their faces to so as to not risk being hunted down or hurt more. :/

  • indie8million

    Hey Kids! Vote for Leah until 10pm Pacific only! Here is the direct link to online voting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lt6r-k9Bk6o You can vote up to 12 times here.

    You can also call this number up to 12 times PER PHONE LINE for Leah Remini & Tony Dovolani: (800) 868-3411

    You only have until 10PM Pacific so call if you can and please send this out to your pals.

    • indie8million

      Ha. Whoops. HERE is the correct link to vote online for Leah until 10PM Pacific tonight. http://vote-e.abc.go.com/shows/dancing-with-the-stars/vote/season-17

      A thousand pardons.

      • Dee Fogger

        At least it wasn’t something naughty. ; )
        ABC is going to access to my friends list, birthday and location if I vote via that link. I think I’ll stick to Facebook voting.

        • indie8million

          That thought crossed my mind too. haha I signed up directly through the website. Hope they don’t do the same to me! Just think, they’ll get a bunch of you guys. lol!

  • indie8million

    Hey there. Am I asleep at the wheel here? Didn’t I just post the voting numbers for Leah Remini? Which way did it go, George? Here’s the online link to vote. You can vote until 10PM Pacific. http://vote-e.abc.go.com/shows/dancing-with-the-stars/vote/season-17

    • indie8million

      Vote by phone up to 12 times per line until 10 pm Pacific, tonight. This is the same number to use for next week too. (800) 868-3411

  • V4Vacation

    Online voting for DWTS last 24 hours — from 8pm ET / 5pm PT to the same times on Tuesday night. 🙂 on Facebook http://apps.facebook.com/votedwts or ABC http://vote-e.abc.go.com/shows/dancing-with-the-stars/vote/season-17

  • Nevermore

    This is quite amusing, folks – shows how enturbulating just the sight of Chuck’s X-SEAORG phone number must be to the Kool Aid Drinkers…

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?3530-I-Am-Not-Anonymous&p=857631&viewfull=1#post857631

    • AsthmaticDwarf

      In case you don’t wanna click over to Nevermore’s link, there; maybe it’s too late, too early, whatever.

      • Graham

        Someone stole her sign. $cios reduced to using ‘petty theft’ tech now?

  • As someone who has never posted here before, l just want to address the comment talk about scrolling through all the comments and offer another view. I come here as someone who wa never in Scientology, but became interested when that UK journalist posted his YouTube videos showing how he was harassed by Scientologists and then his encounters with Tommy. It bugged the crap out of me how they haraased him and ultimately found Tony’s writings at the Villiage Voice.

    I don’t comment because I don’t feel I have anything to offer, but I am interested in reading the stories by ex members. I read this blog on a mobile device (which is becomming the trend on the internet) and Disqus is not really mobile-friendly. I cannot begin to tell you how long it takes to scroll through the comments to get to the ones on subject. Sometimes it takes 15 minutes each time I have to press the read more button and scroll because I have to do it so many times to find ex Scientologist’s stories on a specific post. Sometimes it takes so long that I give up. I have never been able to scroll through them all so I am missing more than 500 comments on every post.
    So maybe when commenters are thinking of their “Hugs & food” comments they might ask themselves before posting if it prevents a first time ex Scientologist from having their story seen in the comments because it takes too long to get to, is the comment worth it? Now I offer this with the scincerest feedback and hesitation because maybe after all you have been through youbdeserve to do whatever the heck you want. Blessings to you all… just food for thought.

    -C xo

    • media_lush

      “So maybe when commenters are thinking of their “Hugs & food” comments they might ask themselves before posting if it prevents a first time ex Scientologist from having their story seen in the comments because it takes too long to get to”

      ….eh? …. anybody who posts a comment will automatically see any response if they join disqus [and you can do that anonymously] so I’m not sure what point you’re making here? You can also collapse threads [to avoid all that scrolling].

      …. and if you’ve ever noticed you’ll see that any genuine first time ex scn poster gets an awful lot of positive attention and comments here

      …. or am I missing something?

      • EnthralledObserver

        I think Catherine is saying that if ‘she’ has trouble seeing all the comments because of all the extra chatter we all indulge in now, that a first time ex’s post might get swallowed and hardly seen. A point, but isn’t that helped by upvotes, making it popular on the ‘best’ list?
        And, what is this collapsing threads you speak of… how do you do that?

        • Dean Fox

          “And, what is this collapsing threads you speak of… how do you do that?”

          Specifically, how do you do that on a mobile device? I wasn’t aware I could do it on my PC let alone on a mobile.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Noni Mause above says how to do it on a PC… I assume it is the same for mobiles. But best ask her/him. I’m still learning too. Cheers.

          • AsthmaticDwarf

            Big problem, mobile devices and Pads. I know on Nexus pad and iPad, the Bunker is not friendly to making it through posts. As mentioned, there’s lots of problems on phones and Pads, simply because of the computer technology delivering the information from the time a user clicks something, till it hit that users screen.

            If I’m anywhere near my computer, I put down mobile device, or Pad, and use the computer, which handles the data stream from the Bunker Internet computer systems service to end-user devices.

      • Noni Mause

        How I read this was that what Catherine was saying was that as a non and a lurker, she doesn’t necessarily want to comment, but she is interested in hearing about the experiences that resulted in exes leaving the cult and feels that these can be hard to find amongst the hilarity happening between those who know each other really well here.

        Newbies who don’t comment don’t necessarily know how to work disqus to their advantage. I had no idea you could collapse threads, for example. That little tip is gold and I’ll probably try that out. Catherine, you click on the person’s name and then hit the minus button to the right to collapse threads.

        • EnthralledObserver

          Ah, ok… thanks for that, I’ll be using that too from time to time. Cool. Heh… you learn something new everyday.
          (I got this reply to the right person this time… lol)

          • i-Betty

            Hehe 🙂 Hover your mouse over a comment and you’ll see the little minus ( – ) sign in the top right corner. I’ve been collapsing each comment as I read it, almost like folding over the corner of a page you’ve read, so I can keep track of the comments I’m yet to read 🙂 Just click the + sign to expand the comment again if you need to. x

            • EnthralledObserver

              “I’ve been collapsing each comment as I read it, almost like folding over the corner of a page you’ve read, so I can keep track of the comments I’m yet to read 🙂 ”
              Oh, good idea!

            • Cheryl

              That is useful to know, I go to bed with a manageable amount of comments and wake up to well over 1000.

          • Graham

            Yes- useful. I’d been wondering what that minus sign was all about.

            Regarding ‘hugs and food’ postings: as a Never-In, from what I’ve read of $camatology those who have escaped have probably been deprived of hugs (Or any form of validation) and decent food, so a bit of friendly interaction on such subjects is surely understandable.

            • i-Betty

              I love this 🙂 It absolutely has to go in the scales when balancing the direction the chat should take in here.

        • ReneeG

          HOLY SHIT! You just rocked my world! I had no idea I could collapse threads.

      • i-Betty

        Yes, Lush is saying that first time posters do tend to get a lot of upvotes and welcomes, so it’s easy enough to find them by sorting the comment filter (at the top of the comments feed) to ‘Best’. 🙂

    • Exterrier

      Yes, I can see that. The chat room stuff is kind of fun, but it does get a bit cliquey here, and I, too, have had frustration in going through hundreds of sidebar conversations before finding the ones that comment on the topic that Tony posted. I almost kinda started one of those myself yesterday, and felt guilty about diverging off topic. Maybe we should bear that in mind…… and maybe there is a way to “have it all” through some sort of prioritizing or sorting function.
      Welcome to this site btw, Catharine. There are some brilliant comments to be found, and some great referrals to the other fine sites. The Ex member stories are amazing…. after I left the cult, it was shocking to read what had happened to the kids who were born in, and got dragged into the Sea Org. Reading this blog and the ex member and ex kids blogs has really validated my decision to leave, and also made me understand some of the pressures and humiliations that were being run on me while I was in. That is the therapeutic aspect of making fun of and snarking at ElRound and Miscabbage….it is not informative, but it really has its value to those of us who experienced the mind control directly….and some of it is so damn funny.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Ah, ok… thanks for that, I’ll be using that too from time to time. Cool. Heh… you learn something new everyday.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Oops, sorry, that previous response wasn’t meant for you…

      • AsthmaticDwarf

        Someday, the technology will improve to allow for branching — posts can then be “on topic” – directly relating to Tony’s posts of the day, and staying on topic of (all things) $cientology; and “off topic”, which will allow branching off the main “on topic” posting area into a branch, which will be exclusive to the social commenting, which makes the Bunker kind of a team, a family.

        Branching is a component of Game design. There is huge, multiple branching, to accommodate game play. So, to bring that concept into blog design someday would be grand.
        .

        • ThetaBara

          There already exist BBS software that allows for branching. DQ is a bit blunt, but it’s what we’ve got so we have to figure out how to work with it. I personally find that having responses to my comments mailed to me is a big help.

    • Nevermore

      Equally, the chatty stuff is part of what makes the Bunker’s atmosphere the kind of place posters come back to. Perhaps we should be looking to find an equitable balance.

      • i-Betty

        Agree wholeheartedly 🙂 I made a post last night about those of us (I am one of them) who tend to comment too much, and I said I would try to limit my posting, or at least be much more aware; but I wouldn’t change the atmosphere in here for the world.

        It’s been really hard just up-voting comments this morning rather than replying to them 😛

        • Nevermore

          Well, my electricity is about to go off for most of the day, so I won’t be here. That should keep the comment count down!

          • i-Betty

            And I’m off to work! Good luck, Never. Hope it’s back up soon 🙂 xxx

          • EnthralledObserver

            What a relief, we won’t have Nevermore clogging up the threads… :p
            jks, jks
            😉

    • Verve

      If you’re interested in exes’ stories, a good place to find them is the Ex-Scientologist Message Board. There is a whole section just for exes’ stories.

      http://www.forum.exscn.net/forum.php

    • Jeb Burton

      So you wish only the exes would comment here, to make it more convenient for you? Hell, most of the exes still follow the teachings of LRH, and only left because of DM. Being an extremely sensitive and compassionate person, I wish Bury the nuts and others would stop their personal attacks on me. But I wipe away my tears and soldier on. Im sure Tony prefers 2000 comments compared to 200. So go micro manage someplace else.

      • 4of 5gens

        I have always appreciated your comments Jeb, however, it is too difficult to find information from victims here, while the leaders of this clubhouse spit their drinks on their computers. Good luck.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Passes you a box of tissues 😉

      • Sherbet

        And a rousing “welcome to the Bunker” from Jeb. Sigh…honestly, Jeb…

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        “Hell, most of the exes still follow the teachings of LRH, and only left because of DM.” Where do you get your statistics on this? I don’t think its true. Personally I got out before DM and do NOT follow LRH teachings. You ought to distinguish between exes and indies, and not generalize.

  • i-Betty

    WE BELIEVE THAT DISCONNECTION IS CRUEL AND WRONG

    Helpline:

    1-866-XSEAORG – The call is completely free and can be made from any public telephone

    If you’re a Scientologist reading this and you are having doubts about your religion, whether it be the doctrine, the incessant, relentless regging, or the leadership, but are afraid to leave because it’s all you’ve known, or you’re afraid of what to expect on the ‘outside’, please give the number on Glibby’s sign (below) a call; it’s totally free. You can speak anonymously and in strict confidence to somebody who can help you, and will receive non-judgmental moral support, as well as real advice for setting up your new life and getting back on your feet.

    I promise you, the outside world isn’t the enemy. As in all walks of life, some people are idiots, but most people are kind, hard working, honest, loving individuals, just living their lives. Many, many people have already left Scientology and are living happy, fulfilling, peaceful lives filled with family and friends – old and new – who love them. They, too, felt your fears as they began their break away from the church. Some took a leap of faith and discovered that the landing was soft, welcoming and forgiving. Some needed to take baby steps. But they all moved in one direction: towards the door.

    For them, every day is now an adventure and they are the architects of their own lives.

    You may be feeling:

    Sadness and loss over saying “goodbye” to those ideals in the group you thought you could admire, the fellow members you thought were your true friends, or the time and money spent following something which turned out to be false…

    Fear, that this may have been your last hope for happiness, success, enlightenment, or your eternity; that you are no longer protected by the powers of your leader and are vulnerable to evil; that you will make bad decisions for yourself without the group’s guidance, or that you will be punished for leaving…

    Loneliness, at the thought of leaving intensive relationships, and now needing to reconnect with family and friends who live in a manner that your religion criticized…

    Confusion, about what to believe, and how to make good decisions for yourself and your future…

    Guilt, possibly associated with having broken ties to loved ones, or for having recruited others into Scientology…

    Shame, when realizing you were involved in an organisation that maybe made you behave in a way that you’re not proud of…

    If Auditing and Training are still important to you they are both available outside the church, but without any of the hoops attached which you are currently expected to jump through…it is cheaper, and there will be no sec checking.

    It might help you to hear stories from others who were in your exact same situation. There is a great website called The Big List That Left Scientology. Here is the link: https://sites.google.com/site/biglistthatleftscientology/ Click on the alphabetical letters across the top to find people you may have known, and to read some inspirational stories.

    Last, but by no means least, the Freeloader Debt is NOT legally enforceable – that means they can’t make you pay it.

    Call those numbers. It might just be the first step to the rest of your life.

    And call your family. Please. They never stopped loving you and hoping that one day you would come back to them. Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays are near. Give them a call, send them your love. No guilt, no shame.

    We wish you so much luck and love.

  • Krew13

    Tiny Fists must be in permanent meltdown mode with all these subpoenas he’s got his lawyers fighting. The prospect of Leah Remini testifying and Tommy Davis being cross-examined has obviously got the midget shitting his small boy pants. But I say to Monique Rathbun – why stop there? There’s no shortage of people they could call to the stand. Paul Haggis and Jason Beghe, for example, could provide devastating testimony. KMS – Keep Miscmidget Sweating.

  • Krew13

    I’ve only just got round to watching the Shrinking Cult of $cientology video. I recognise the old actor in it but can’t remember his name. Can someone help? He’s a great character actor and I didn’t even know he had been in the COS, let alone left it.

    • DodoTheLaser
      • Seannie5

        Is there a tv show he hasn’t been in?

        • DodoTheLaser

          Yeah, I know. Very prolific. Including Dianetics and Scientology films.
          Thank God he is out, still alive and speaking out.

      • Krew13

        Thanks. Now I know where I recognize him from. Thirteen Days and Mulholland Drive. Good guy.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Scientologists and their lawyers…

    But what does the Fox say?

    Ylvis – The Fox (What does the Fox say?) [Official music video HD]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jofNR_WkoCE

  • Krew13

    So is Tony going to be blogging from court today on Ray Jeffrey arguing for the subpoenas to be reinstated?

    • 1subgenius

      Apparently not, per today’s post about Burroughs. No doubt he will break in with any news.
      My guess is that Scientology’s big wad on this will be, “Boo-hoo see judge it’s all just for the publicity.”

  • Sherbet

    You know what? The dumping on Catherine below underscores the crankiness that’s going on, especially when someone refers — rightly so — to the overposting. That’s it for me, Bunkies. I’m going to be outta here for awhile. Carry on.

    • Noni Mause

      I don’t think there’s just been a dumping on, it seems there’s a bit of support for her position too. I hope she got that.

    • ThetaBara

      Jeb is angry. And rightly so – but it seems to me that his anger could be more focused. But, he’s new. And he lives in freakin’ Clearwater! Jeez, what a PITA that must be. IMHO, he fails to discern between indies and true exes. He also seems to think we’re all exes here, which, well you know that isn’t the case. He’ll probably get it eventually.

    • Guest

      Sherb, you are a wise woman and I want you to know that I have your back as I know you’ve had mine. You have always stuck up for others, even when it wasn’t the popular thing to do, and that means a great deal to all of us who have witnessed and felt your kindness and your voice of reason in action here, especially the Turtle -Z Busters.

      You were declared “Dame Sherbet” here and that title still sticks. It also means that even when you’re not logged into the bunker, you retain that title, and as you know; there is nothing like a Dame!

      I am now going to the store to buy some green sherbet in your honor.

      Love ya!

    • Ruby

      Sherbet…today is Wednesday, and I miss you

  • Jgg2012

    Re Remini: if she didn’t want to testify, SHE would be making the Quash motion, not the Church. She even has legitimate grounds–she has no contacts in Texas (unlike Davey, who sent the squirrel busters in) and could avoid being deposed, but is doing it voluntarily.

  • Aki Dai

    Someone might be wishing he had been more of a gemtleman to this lady, eh?