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Blood Relation, Blood Ritual: A Hubbard Family Occult Mystery

FoolDetail2Jon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and on Saturdays he’s helping us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet.

Jon, for a few weeks now we’ve been bugging you about L. Ron Hubbard’s interest in Sex Magick and Aleister Crowley (1875-1947), which predated his work on Dianetics and Scientology. We know you covered it in depth in A Piece of Blue Sky, as have other writers, such as Lawrence Wright in Going Clear. But we have a reason for bringing it up, and we thought you might ease us into the subject again.

JON: When I first went to Saint Hill in the mid-70s, I was befriended by a Crowleyite named Carlos. He told me that Hubbard had set up Scientology as a beacon for the “mages” — of whom, he assured me, I was one. The vast majority of recruits would simply be drones, who would do our bidding at some future date. I believe Carlos went back to heroin addiction, in preference to the state of OT. We only met twice, but it made me watchful. I had no interest in magic (or heroin, for that matter, contrary to OSA rumors).

When I left, I met Steve Bisbey, who ran the Advanced Ability Centre, East Grinstead, and Ralph Hilton, who set up his own independent auditing practice. Both had come to Scientology from Crowley, as many did, after the Sunday Times exposed Hubbard’s involvement with Sex Magick. I liked Steve, but he had never abandoned his fondness for Crowley, and, indeed, the last time we met, he told me that he still “loved” Crowley’s work. Steve was a standard techie. Ralph Hilton mixed Crowleyite ideas into his practice. He did not necessarily inform his preclears of this.

I very soon found myself poring over Crowley texts to try and understand Hubbard. I was surprised to find that Hubbard had taken more ideas from Crowley and the Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO) than from any other place — including the trauma of birth, the use of “past lives” rather than “reincarnation,” and the “creative processing” which is the revelation of the Philadelphia Doctorate Course and allowed Hubbard to do something after he’d given Dianetics away.

Along the way, I spoke with John Symonds, who was Crowley’s literary executor and wrote The Great Beast about Crowley. He loathed Crowley and helped me to steer through the OTO material, until I realised that the Babalon Working rituals Hubbard performed after the war with Pasadena rocket scientist Jack Parsons had continued to become Scientology — Scientology is a magical “working,” where Hubbard elevated himself by enslaving others. I think I was the first person to show that Parsons and Hubbard had actually done the eighth ritual of the OTO (OTO VIII). Authors both before and since fail to mention that Babalon Working is simply a version of the eighth ritual, which was made public in Francis King’s Secret Rituals of the OTO. That the ritual is evidently gay (in both the accepted and the South Park sense, really) also seems to be avoided, but, given Hubbard’s horror of homosexuality, this is an important point. Hubbard has since turned up as Robert Heinlein’s lover in that famous author’s letters, so I’m told. Too late for poor Quentin Hubbard, who lost his life to his father’s public homophobia when he committed suicide in 1976.

Crowley was upset at the “idiocy” of Hubbard and Parsons (he called them “louts” which was mistranscribed as “goats” and is usually quoted so), not because they were trying to create a demonic force in human form, as he himself had tried to do, but because they had jumped steps on his “bridge.”

THE BUNKER: In Blue Sky, you described the 1946 rituals of Hubbard and Parsons at length. We’ll just quote a brief description of them that Lawrence Wright supplied in Going Clear: “The ceremony, likely aided by narcotics and hallucinogens, required Hubbard to channel the female deity of Babalon as Parsons performed the ‘invocation of wand with material basis on talisman’ — in other words, masturbating on a piece of parchment. He typically invoked twice a night.” In Blue Sky, you write that another part of the ritual probably made use of a mix of semen and menstrual blood.

Previously, Jon, we had asked you about something called The Blood Ritual that was also in Hubbard’s papers. You briefly described it a few weeks ago when we were talking about the things Gerry Armstrong found in Hubbard’s archives, some of which Gerry passed on to the writer the church had hired to write Hubbard’s official biography, Omar Garrison. You said the ritual described in those papers invoked the name of a goddess that some of our readers insisted was a benign vegetable god or something.

JON: It’s also in Blue Sky. Omar Garrison came to see me in the early 90s, because he believed the cult was harassing him again, and he wanted them to know that if they continued, he would give material to me. He had come several thousand miles to make this point. In return, he showed me The Blood Ritual, which is an invocation of Hathor (some spell it Hathoor), the Egyptian goddess represented as a spotted cow or, more usually as a woman with a cow’s head (whatever turns you on. One obscure OTO text has a young man communing with the Hathor by having sexual intercourse with a cow).

Hathor is conflated with Sekhmet. The best description I can find comes from Murry Hope, in Practical Egyptian Magic, where she says: “Hathor (Athyr), who is associated with Aphrodite, was the daughter of Ra and carrier of his divine eye. Hathor was a dual-aspected goddess: as the benign, celestial cow she was said to nourish the gods, protect women, patronise the art of astrology and confer the creature comforts of life…But according to some authorities Hathor has another side as Sekhmet, the lioness-headed goddess. Perhaps the ancients were trying to tell us that energy can either heal and nourish, when used constructively, or break and destroy if used destructively…Hathor is somewhat enigmatic at the best of times. Some scholars define her in her dual role of the benign cow on the one hand and the avenging lioness on the other; other authorities staunchly claim that she has no connection at all with the lion figure which was an earlier version of Bast.”

In the simplest terms, Hathor represents nature. In Roman mythology, she is Diana (and thusly, Dianetics), who is best known for her casual unconcern for humanity, when she turned Acteon into a stag, so that she and her chums could hunt him down (her loving nature is represented by Venus, in the Roman system). It really doesn’t matter what any commentator believes Hathor is, was, or might be, just what Hubbard believed. It’s rather like the argument used by most historians that we should ignore the Nazi obsession with magic, because magic is nonsense. But Churchill kept an astrologer, to find out what Hitler’s astrologer was telling him. I don’t believe in magic, Egyptian or otherwise, but Hubbard did. He invoked Hathor as Diana, as “Babalon,” as his “Empress,” which is the Empress of the tarot, and Hubbard’s “holy guardian angel” (for which, see Blue Sky — “holy guardian angel” is a Crowleyite term).

When I first met Gerry, he told me about a scale he’d found in Hubbard’s papers, which belonged to the period between Parsons and Dianetics — around 1947. I asked Gerry about this, recently, but he couldn’t remember it, so I foraged through my ancient notes, and there it is:

God
The Fool
Fanatics and Zealots
The Wealthy, Financiers
The Intelligentsia
Labourers and Farmers
Animals

Hubbard believed he’d reached the level of the Fool. There is a fascinating digression about the Fool on the first Philadelphia Doctorate Course tape — and the alligator he mentions on the tarot card leads us to Crowley (the only tarot with an alligator on the Fool card). In the lecture, Hubbard informs us that the Fool is the illumined state, because nothing can affect the Fool — whatever you fire at him passes straight through. He gives this as an early example of what would become the Operating Thetan, OT.

 

"The Fool" card from Crowley's Tarot Deck -- note the alligator

“The Fool” card from Crowley’s Tarot Deck — note the alligator

 
Hubbard believed that the Empress dictated material to him, through automatic writing (it would explain his odd turn of phrase). He once told a follower that Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health was dictated by “the Empress.” Elsewhere, the Empress is called the Mother Goddess by Crowley. She is also equated with the “black goddess,” Kali, who feeds upon humanity and was worshiped by the Thuggees, who spent hundreds of years murdering innocents as sacrifice to her (until the British Raj exterminated them).

THE BUNKER: Hey, look what we found. It’s the excerpt from the first Philadelphia Doctorate Course lecture that you mentioned, which Hubbard gave on December 1, 1952. This is the portion where he mentions The Fool from the Tarot, as you indicated.

 

 
It’s always fascinating to delve into Hubbard and the occult. But part of our reason for bringing this up again, Jon, is that we wanted to talk about another Hubbard and some pretty odd activities.

L. Ron Hubbard’s youngest son, Arthur, 55, is an artist. We noticed that in 2009, under the name “A. Conway Hubbard,” he had a fascinating exhibit at the POVevolving Gallery in Los Angeles. The show consisted of a wide range of nude prints that made use of a rather interesting ingredient. Here’s the show’s own description…

The show, hosted by Actor/DJ Danny Masterson, will be the first exhibition by A. Conway Hubbard in nearly a decade and marks the artist’s first adventure into the world of drypoint intaglio printing.

The included works are the first that the artist has shown since formulating a special printmaking ink that uses blood as its primary ingredient. For this exhibition, Hubbard has printed each intaglio plate in varying ways using both traditional black inks and his specially created ‘blood ink.’

And some examples of Arthur’s work…

 
ArthurBI

 
ArthurBI2

 
See the full show at this nifty website. Jon, what thoughts do you have about Arthur creating nude prints of women processed with blood? Isn’t it a pretty peculiar choice for the son of L. Ron Hubbard?

JON: I think that Arthur felt that this was a way of personalising his work, but, on a deeper level, it is very curious. Hubbard had very little to do with any of his children, and Arthur was likely too young to have ever received instruction from his father. But there could be something horrid lurking in this. Magicians use blood and semen in their rituals (Crowley was particularly fond of menstrual blood).

THE BUNKER: These Hubbards, they’re something. And thanks again, Jon, for taking us into the history of Scientology and its weird beginnings.

 
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BirthdayCakeHappy Birthday to the Bunker!

The cats reminded us that it was a year ago that the circuits and vacuum tubes first hummed to life here in the Underground Bunker after we’d finished undocking from the Village Voice mothership, where we’d spent the previous five years.

We really weren’t sure how things would go when, with the help of attorney Scott Pilutik, we launched this experiment. Would our regular readers at the Voice find us? Would we stay on top of fast-moving developments in the world of Scientology Watching?

Well, it’s been a wild year, and the loyalty and participation of our readers has been truly humbling. We figure the best way to show our thanks is to bring even bigger stories, and we’re working on some humdingers. For now, where’s that bottle opener?

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 28, 2013 at 07:00

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  • onthefringes

    Happy Birthday!

  • Nevermore
  • JessicaSideways

    Proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that Atack has no fucking clue what he is talking about. Scientology is manipulative and controlling and you don’t need to bring in bigots like Atack to attack the OTO and tell all sorts of lies. This is modern day blood libel.

    Ortega, you’ll be judged by the company you keep. A pox on both your houses.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Jessica, sometimes you are an insufferable pain in the ass.

      • JessicaSideways

        Well, when bigots like Atack post blood libel, I do get to be a pain in the ass.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          You are sanitizing the OTO like most Thelemite’s do today.
          Go back to the roots of it all and get a clue.
          You are doing what all “religions” tend to do. You are rewriting history to make it less incendiary or pejorative than it really is/was.
          Quit blaming Atack for your sect’s past.
          It won’t fly here.

          You can pretend this shit was all rainbows and pink ponies but it was not born of that and neither was Scientology.
          GET REAL.

          And “blood libel”….just using the term here makes you sound ridiculous.

        • ReneeG

          Blood libel? Who says that shit anymore?

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            ^^^^^ Dip shit above?

          • richelieu jr

            Sarah Palin.

        • richelieu jr

          Jessica, I am sure you feel righteously offended, however ‘Blood Libel’ refers to one thing, and one thing ONLY:

          The lie that Jews killed and/or bled Christian babies in their rituals and to make bread. This is a conspiracy theory still openly espoused by many Arab states and the source of much anti semitism on the world. You may feel the OTO has been wronged, but it is nothing on the level of ‘Blood Libel’ or the Holocaust, another word that refers to only one ting and has had its meaning devalued.

          Real words and terms have Real World meanings, not Scilon ones; Don’t take my word for it, look it up in a dictionary.

          Sarah Palin made the same mistake and had to eat her words. Hopefully you’re a bigger person than her, unless it was your goat to come here representing the OTO as an anti semitic organization? I had certainly never heard that before, but there is much I do not know.

          • L. C. Spencer

            *applause*

          • Interested

            Well stated.

        • Espiando

          And if it’s your ass, it’s enough pain to kill an elephant. You know, the mammals with trunks that are around your size.

        • 1subgenius

          Other than that, how’s life going for you?
          Having any fun?

        • GoofusMcFloof

          Now’s a good time to announce that my new disc on the Blud label, “PreClear Pay In,” will be dropping Thursday at 1400!

          • Espiando

            So, do the pre-orders count toward this week’s stats or next week’s?

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            😉

        • DuckBenway

          Moonbats + Power Tools = It Never Ends Well.

          P. S. Happy Birthday Bunker and Bunkerites! <3

    • Once_Born

      A “Blood Libel” indeed? https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=blood+libel&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr&ei=eiJHUovDHIOGhQeLzoCYBg
      That’s quite a serious charge. Perhaps you would like to present some evidence.

      • JessicaSideways

        Did you even read the article above? The article above is evidence.

        • Once_Born

          I did read it.

          However, the article is a statement.
          If you believe that it is not only wrong, but also seriously libellous, you need to tell me why. That’s evidence.

          I really would like to know why is it a blood libel. Perhaps you could give give one example…

        • L. C. Spencer

          Yeah, you have no fucking idea what blood libel is. Go educate yourself and stop making an ass of yourself here. No one will take you seriously when you post stupefyingly offensive and ignorant comments like this.

        • Robert Eckert

          You are proving that indeed you are EXACTLY the same as the Scientologists. This is the identical tactic to the {church} comparing themselves to victims of the Holocaust.

    • Mark

      Are you an OTO member? Atack may have his faults when he strays away from Co$ matters (relying on slipshod hacks like Murry Hope & not reading Francis King properly) but he’s hardly a bigot, or guilty of “blood libel”.

      • JessicaSideways

        Not that it is relevant to what Atack said, but yes, I am an OTO member and yes, he is guilty of blood libel. If he said the same thing about Jews, then he would be criticised for blood libel just the same.

        • Mickey7

          You clearly don’t know what blood libel actually means, so one must assume you are a student of the ‘Sarah Palin School of Ignorant Hyperbole.’

          Being angry at Atack for what he says is one thing, but offending an entire race of people by misappropriating and misusing an offensive term is really out of line considering the absurd pettiness of the topic.

          • richelieu jr

            Hear, hear, Mickey!

            What the hell is is with loud mouth ignoramouses who want to play the martytr in misappropriating this term how about ‘libel’? or ‘it’s slanderous and untrue’?

            • Nevermore

              Still waiting on the evidence to indicate where what he said was libellous and/or untrue. ISTR this poster doing a similar drive by type attack which emptied the Bunker for a whole evening, several weeks ago. One would suspect it was done deliberately to disrupt the ‘happy birthday’ atmosphere, if one was of a suspicious nature.

            • Once_Born

              “[….] this poster is doing a similar drive by type attack”

              Interesting idea which is, as you say, supported by the total lack of any meaningful response.
              If so, it failed to disrupt anything (for me at least).

              Also, on the plus side, I was the only one who got a downvote.
              Yay me!

            • richelieu jr

              Quite. Having read Atack’s book and seen a lot f his documentation on the site, I must say the burden of proof would have to be on the shrill harpie… Still, I’ no expert, os after she reads the meaning of the term ‘blood libel’, I’ll look at her evidence…
              But, and I think you’ll agree with me here: IT WILL TKA EMORE THAN THAT TO BREAK UPT HIS GOOD CHEER!
              ALL THIS IN ONLY A YEAR!

          • Jerseygram

            ‘Sarah Palin School of Ignorant Hyperbole’…priceless!!

        • richelieu jr

          Only if he accused them of killing Christian babies to make bread and for rituals; You are seriously ignorant, sis.

        • L. C. Spencer

          You fail at community posting.

        • Mark

          And which OTO would that be? Grand Lodge USA?

        • stillgrace

          oh … and paraphrasing the infamous KA (Sweeney interview) may not have been the best choice.

        • Zer0

          “I have been over forty years engaged in the administration of the law in one capacity or another. I thought that I knew of every conceivable form of wickedness. I thought that everything which was vicious and bad had been produced at one time or another before me. I have learnt in this case that we can always learn something more if we live long enough. I have never heard such dreadful, horrible, blasphemous and abominable stuff as that which has been produced by the man (Crowley) who describes himself to you as the greatest living poet.”

          • grundoon

            Crowley paid him to say that.

        • Interested

          Good God, woman.! To use that expression is horrific. Do you actually know what it means?

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          NO JESSICA NO!

          Anyone who attacks Scientology is guilty of blood libel!

          You are guilty of blood libel and owe we in the Church of Scientology an apology!

          Well?

        • Cat Daddy

          Blood Libel ? what kind of disturbed language is that ?

        • Jon Hendry

          Er no, because there’s no suggestion that the blood was obtained without consent of the donor.

          The blood libel about Jews was not that Jews *asked around* for someone to *donate* a pint or menstruate on the matzoh fixins.

      • Kitz

        I too cringed at the mention of Murry Hope. Not a kemetic, but have heard enough grumbling from that area to know it was a bad choice.

    • Caroline Letkeman

      Symonds described the eighth degree working and Hubbard’s participation in 1973 edition of The Great Beast, pp. 446-7. Tony provided a link in his blog entry to a Scribd copy for download.

    • phronsie

      Inconceivable

    • Nevermore

      It’s a ‘plague’, not a ‘pox’. Common misquote.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Not in her vernacular.
        “A pox upon them” is the correct verbiage for Thelema.

        • Nevermore

          It was probably a misquote by whoever made it part of their verbiage!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Like all the made up words and misquotes in say……..scientology? LOL

            • Nevermore

              You might say that, but I couldn’t possibly comment… 😉

        • V4Vacation

          …but “both your houses” refers Mercutio’s dying curse to the Capulets and Montagues in Romeo & Juliet.

          • Nevermore

            Have to give them kudos for stealing their verbiage from one of the best! 🙂

      • Espiando

        Mary Moo-Moo up there is implying that Tony and us Bunkerites are having big orgies that aren’t in the service of Crowley’s writings, and that we’re passing sexually-transmitted infections to each other. Thus, pox on our houses.

        Petunia Pig doesn’t know we’re saving up the orgy for the day that Flag is bulldozed, and we’re going to fuck like bunnies on the ruins while DM is tied up and forced to watch. He’s really going to love the part where we’re going to dress Derek in his old Sea Org uniform, give him the rank of Captain, and then have him fondled by six oiled musclemen.

        • stillgrace

          You guys had an orgy and you didn’t invite me??

          • Espiando

            No, not yet. Only on the day Flag is bulldozed. And we’re all invited. To make the Indies happy and welcome, Rinder’s invited to give DM the first golden shower.

            • Johnny Tank

              Maybe that’s the reason for the plastic liner in the new tent…

      • V4Vacation

        …and i didn’t know tony had more than one house. is there another bunker somewhere? maybe closer to trementina? or are we, the readers, the other house?

    • You mean he hasn’t got the f…..g rank to say such?
      LOL, Jess, who paid you?
      Or who are you paying to?

    • Espiando

      The only reason that you joined OTO is that without Sex Magick, you wouldn’t get laid at all without anyone rolling you in flour and looking for the wet spot, you moronic heifer.

      Yeah, I’m pulling out the Fatty Fat Fat references with her again. No offense, EO or any other Bunkerite who might be Rubensesque, but we know that this is a hot button, and I can’t resist the big “DON’T PUSH” sign on it.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        You are so bad.
        My fat is jiggling I am laughing so hard.

    • Jerseygram

      Lies? You poor, poor, sad, pathetic fool.

    • Charles Manson

      jessica this blog talks shit about OTO. At the Spahn ranch no one dared to say nothing bad about Crowley who could spit menstrual blood. what do say bout that Jessica? because I ain’t looking back. know what I mean? people in society might be, but what does OTO have to do with Scientology processing? done both and on the lower levels it’s all engrams everywhere. then on the OT levels you find out that engrams are really entities, the bt’s. same thing but Ron Hubbard he doesn’t tell you til you get to OT that engrams are really entity clusters. By then, oh man, gotta get a blowdown on the meter to make them entities to blow. see, in OTO it’s banishing and summoning. But then Ron Hubbard makes OT only banishing. see? you’re banishing and banishing all the time and never summoning so it’s not OTO. different thing and OTO don’t use no meter. so yeah this guy has no clue. just he, he just looked at some tarot cards and that’s about all he knows from some hag cow goddess. blood libel now is another thing. sister jessica let me tell you about blood libel. sure as hell ain’t some dude on a website talkin’ shit about Crowley. also ain’t Omar Garrision saying how Ron Hubbard’s people was chasing him again. let me tell you Ron Hubbard’s people chasin’ you don’t mean shit and never did cuz they’re all punkass faggots, what you wanna worry about is if my people are chasin’ you! This piss ant Miscavige, a punk like him wouldn’t last here in the joint. know what I mean? he would get bent him over a bunk and his cherry popped on the first day so he ain’t nuthin to worry about.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Oh my god.
        This is fuckin great.

        All i can think of………..
        we are not worthy!!!

        • kickingit101

          SHHHWING!!!!

      • Johnny Tank

        You damn straight, cousin!

      • Espiando

        I rarely bow down to superior genius (nor do I rarely need to). But this one…consider me face down, pointing toward the California desert.

      • Donut

        Hey Charlie, you got out of the cult business while it was still hot. What advice would you give Miscavaige?

    • Zer0

      Buzz off. Go summon some demons or whatever you do.

    • 1subgenius

      Pox?
      Are you Jenny McCarthy really?

    • V4Vacation

      You know, I’d actually love to see you or anyone from the OTO join our discussion and offer their personal experience or thoughtful point of view. We like discussion here, and we do tend to respect differences, if you come in peace with an open mind.

      If you can move beyond gun-slinging and threats, and instead come to the table with an offer of personal perspective and experience, I know I for one would like to hear what you have to say about being in the OTO, what that means to an individual member or the group now versus the 1950s, and anything else you’d like to share that is not simply a defensive or offensive outburst. I respect your experience.

      And yeah, Ortega is judged by the company he keeps — it’s great company.

      Stay and hang out for awhile.

      • JessicaSideways

        You know what? I would love to believe that, if it weren’t for the ignorant, bigoted responses I got here in the comments.

        Y’all respect differences? Bullshit.

        In this comment thread, I have been fat-shamed, bullied, insulted and harassed just for pointing out Tony Ortega’s decision to have a bigot on this blog. Scientology is evil enough when you consider the facts, you don’t need to have actual religious bigots on here!

        If you honestly believe that the company here is great, I would suggest you actually read the article above and read all of the responses to my original comment.

        • Zer0

          Nobody liked that fat shaming episode, except for the weirdo that was doing it.

        • Robert Eckert

          Just like the time you were here before, you have contributed zero, zilch, nada, nil to the discussion except insults and accusations. You think Jon Atack said anything false? Tell us what you think is false, and what you think the truth is, and give evidence for your position. Instead you make an insanely inappropriate comparison to the “blood libel” accusations: most people are giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you are too stupid to know what that even means, although I assume you are just the same kind of person as the Scientology propagandists who drag in the Holocaust or Jenna Elfman screaming “baby raper!” at passersby.

          If you have nothing to contribute, then get the fuck out of here.

          • Zer0

            The freezoners are often attracted to OTO, or in some cases Magick is what attracted them to scientology. It’s not surprising they want to participate here. Kind of like Vinay, with his unique freezone/engineer amalgam of whatever.

        • V4Vacation

          One point I was trying to make is that you were attacked because you came through the door swinging insults and threats and little else. If you had come in peace to offer your different point of view, or presenting contrasting facts or ideas, that approach would have been more humanely received. That is all.

          Anyone is welcome to come in here and disagree or claim something written here is wrong, but then you must simply put forth your reasons and illustrate your side. If you come in on the offense, no one will listen, and some will default to defense. That’s human nature.

          You can’t simply attack this blog because of who the interview or story subject is. Your post wasn’t an offer of discourse, it was a drive-by insult. You can’t just yell out your window, Jon Atack is a bigot! And threaten a journalist with judgement and poxes and expect everyone to react with class and tolerance.

          There are some emotional hotheads on this thread sometimes, that is true. I’ve been reading this thread since 2008, and in the early days before the Holmes divorce, we had a lot of CoS old timers and some current Scilons who would come by with challenges and barbs. Some were attacked and some were welcomed and an open discussion was created. None the less, I still hope you come back and share your story, without blindly attacking first.

          • JessicaSideways

            I am not blindly attacking, the evidence is in the article and in the replies to my initial comment. Since you seem to be the only one replying with any semblance of civility, I will go into detail.

            First of all, Crowley was not a black magician and spoke out against black magick at every turn.

            Secondly, to say that Hathor is unconcerned with humanity is bullshit. Which is evidenced by how she was worshiped, the unique nature of her priesthood (in that it included both men and women) and her titles (Lady of the House of Jubilation and The One Who Fills the Sanctuary with Joy).

            Thirdly, yes the Nazis did have an obsession with magick – in that they threw magicians in the camps! Karl Germer, who became the Outer Head of the Order when Crowley kicked off, was in the concentration camps! The Nazi Party decidedly favoured the Roman Catholic Church, as evidenced by Hitler’s own biography (Mein Kampf) and photos of Nazi interaction with the Catholic church (which can be found at the US Holocaust Memorial Museum’s website). As the OTO is a secret society, per Catholic doctrine, one cannot be part of a secret society and a Catholic and until the 1980s, this was enforced by thread of excommunication. Evidence below:

            http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206
            http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0161.html

            Fourthly, I have done several invocations of Hathor, none of which involved blood.

            Fifthly, could Scientology be a magickal working, per Crowley’s definition of the word? Yes. But so is me making a sandwich. Or riding the bus. Or going to school. Here’s Crowley’s definition of magick:

            “MAGICK is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will. In one sense Magick may be said to be the name given to Science by the vulgar.” – Magick Without Tears, Chapter 1

            Finally, I will get to my story in the next comment, but I wanted to give you a few reasons why Atack is being willfully dishonest in this (and many of his other) article(s) concerning the OTO.

            • V4Vacation

              Interesting… Thank you.

          • JessicaSideways

            Now, my story of getting involved with the OTO. I was a student at a certain Buddhist college in Boulder, Colorado. I saw someone reading a book by Crowley called “Eight Lectures on Yoga”. Seeing as my major was Yoga Teacher Training, my curiousity was piqued and I looked up Crowley online. I got in touch with the local body of the OTO and was getting ready to see one of Crowley’s Rites of Eleusis being performed.

            Unfortunately, the local body folded but that didn’t stop my curiousity so I continued to read Crowley’s writings, study the rituals and even start performing them. I would start doing Liber Resh (a sun adoration) and the Mass of the Phoenix on a daily basis. I was even a student in the Argentum Astrum (in fact, I still am).

            Then, to my delight, the OTO came back to Denver and I have been participating in the OTO ever since. Has the OTO changed in the days since Crowley died and Parsons decided to give away all the secrets (including the ones to the IXth degree) to Hubbard? Likely. I remember hearing audio about how Lon Milo DuQuette modernised the rituals of the OTO. I do know that the OTO itself has been modernised to work in the modern day, with all of the modern day concerns.

            Now, as for initiation rituals, I don’t know much about them (seeing as I am a Minerval) but what I do know, I won’t say (unless, of course, it is public knowledge). There are reasons for this, the first being a matter of personal honour and honouring the oath I took (I think it is public knowledge that initiations carry an oath of secrecy). The other concern is this: those who are not interested in joining the OTO at all can look at the rituals (they have been published, though as to how accurate they are, I will not say). Those who are interested can also look, but I advise against it for this reason: initiation carries with it the element of surprise. It contains a message that cannot be communicated by mere sounds. Watching an initiation is hardly the same as undergoing one and it is because when you undergo that initiation, there should be that element of surprise that shocks your consciousness.

            Plus, I have met people who have been initiated into the higher degrees and they seem to have all ten fingers and toes and seem somewhat sane. 🙂 I don’t know what the initiations contain, but I am pretty confident that I will be a better person because of it.

            But, there is some blood consumption in some of the rituals. As a part of the modernisation in the OTO, the blood is burnt to ash and then baked into the cookie in accordance with official policy. People attending the Gnostic Mass are now required to take this communion, but they can bring their own “hosts” and they are notified of this ahead of time, so they can opt out before participating. But the reason why the blood is simply gnostic symbolism.

            Now, as for blood in Thelemic rituals, it is pretty much limited to use in a host (though there are others, as in the Mass of the Phoenix, which also uses hosts). There are some that don’t. You can see a list of Thelemic rituals here:

            http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Magick_in_Theory_%26_Practice#Rituals_of_Thelema

            Look out for Part Three.

            • Zer0

              “but I advise against it for this reason: initiation carries with it the element of surprise.”

              Sounds a lot like OT3

            • JessicaSideways

              I don’t know but I don’t think Crowley was into teh aliens. And before you bring up that picture of good ol’ Lam that the Typhonians use…

              http://ac2012.com/2012/10/20/lam-i-am/

            • V4Vacation

              And every other secret society, like the Rosicrucians or Masons, etc. Some feared persecution from government or village pitch forks, and others feared being revealed as con artists.

            • JessicaSideways

              Feh, it’s not like the secrecy helped them. Every nutjob picks on the Masons.

            • JessicaSideways

              And again, there isn’t that element of “if you read ahead, you’ll get pneumonia”. It’s more like the ritual won’t be as effective at communicating what it should if you know what’s going on.

            • Zer0

              Like skipping gradients?

            • JessicaSideways

              Fuck if I know. The OTO degrees are very vague in their outcomes. I do know that initiation isn’t a journey upward, it is a journey inward. Perhaps it has something to do with the three triads, with the initiate starting as a Man of Earth and then working her way up to “Lover” and then a “Hermit”.

            • V4Vacation

              Thanks for taking the time to share. I study religious culture in the US, but Crowley and the OTO is a subject I haven’t gotten to yet. Very cool.

            • JessicaSideways

              You know what, I tried. I tested you theory out… that I gave as much information as I could about why Atack was wrong and why the OTO is nothing like Scientology, that Thelema is nothing like Scientology and I write these long, detailed comments full of information that can also be researched, thus substantiating my earlier claims and what happens?

              There are people here who decide to lie and say that I confirmed Atack, simply ignoring or misinterpreting what I said to fit their own agenda and bigotry. There are people here claiming that Scientology and the OTO are in the same current despite evidence to the contrary. So your claim of “good company” has been refuted by the commentators here.

              I oppose Scientology because it restricts people, making it more difficult for people to do their Will. These people oppose Scientology, because it is another opportunity to bully someone. They do the right thing in the case of Scientology, but for the wrong reasons and it is evidenced here by their behaviour.

            • Zer0

              “These people oppose Scientology, because it is another opportunity to bully someone”

              I’m going to be a bit of a nag until you stop saying things like that. Sorry. You’re so wrong.

            • JessicaSideways

              Many of the responses to my comments here beg to differ.

              Unless of course, you are cool with bigotry, fat-shaming and willful ignorance.

            • Zer0

              Troll

            • JessicaSideways

              Oh, and name-calling. To further prove my point.

            • Robert Eckert

              It appears to be a perfectly accurate name.

            • Zer0

              No, it’s just pointing out a behaviour pattern. You’ve already played the name-calling card, several times. Fancy that you’re still trolling!

            • JessicaSideways

              If you believe that I am trolling, then you have some serious issues. You should see a therapist.

            • Robert Eckert

              You have proven his point, AGAIN.

            • Cat Daddy

              do you have a nice ass ?

            • Robert Eckert

              “There are people here claiming that Scientology and the OTO are in the same” Now that’s a lie. No-one here has said they are one and the same. They certainly trace back to the same roots, however, and you have confirmed some of the history. The evidence of your behavior is that there are psychological commonalities as well.

            • JessicaSideways

              You did. You should see a doctor about your short-term memory issues.

            • Robert Eckert

              Liar. Point to any sentence of mine that says any such thing.

            • Robert Eckert

              Rather than contradicting Atack, you appear to be confirming him.

            • JessicaSideways

              If you really think that, you are ignorant.

            • Robert Eckert

              You came in here shrieking about how he was “libelling” you to talk about blood (ignorantly using the phrase “blood libel” which has a very specific meaning) and confirm that of course blood is used in some of your rituals. You are being not only ignorant, but downright stupid.

            • JessicaSideways

              Oh god, is this a case of “I know you are but what am I”?

              Seriously?

            • Robert Eckert

              No. You make angry accusations, claiming that Atack was telling a lie, and then you prove with your own words that he was telling the truth. You are demonstrating a serious level of intellectual dishonesty and emotional instability.

            • JessicaSideways

              Considering that you are the one saying my accusations were angry (they aren’t), that I was being wrong for asserting the fact that Atack was telling a lie (which, at worst, he was but at best, being grossly misinformed and unwilling to check his words), that you misinterpret or misrepresent that what I said shows that Atacks lies were the truth (again, you don’t say why), that I am being intellectually dishonest (without giving a valid reason how) and that I am emotionally unstable (without demonstrating how, I think I am pretty calm considering all the crap people here have posted) – I think you need to check yourself.

            • Robert Eckert

              “Atack has no fucking clue what he is talking about. Scientology is manipulative and controlling and you don’t need to bring in bigots like Atack to attack the OTO and tell all sorts of lies. This is modern day blood libel.” is pretty fucking angry. You most decidedly have failed to substantiate one single thing that Atack said which could be called a “lie”; quite the contrary you have confirmed him on some points. Yes, you are being intellectually dishonest when you throw around accusations and do nothing to back them up, and your intense vituperations of everyone who talks to you is not a sign of mental health. What OTO has done to you is strongly reminiscent of the Scientology mindfuck.

            • JessicaSideways

              No, I have not confirmed Atack’s lies – again, you say that but provide no evidence.

              I have sufficiently backed up my assertions with the evidence, but you are being willfully ignorant, claiming that I confirmed Atack’s lies when I have done no such thing. As for my “intense vituperations”, you might have been reading the responses to my comments and mistaking them for my comments, because the truth is not an insult.

            • Robert Eckert

              ” I have not confirmed Atack’s lies” You have not IDENTIFIED anything as a lie on his part: you don’t even say what among Atack’s assertions you claim to be untrue. But from your stupid use of the phrase “blood libel” I took it that you were saying his claims about the use of blood in the rituals were false– and you yourself confirm that this is true.

              “you might have been reading the responses to my comments and mistaking them for my comments” What the fuck is the matter with you? I quoted verbatim from your very first comment here, before anybody had responded to you at all. You opened up with extreme noxiousness, exactly like the last time you came here. People respond to you negatively because you shriek, and fail to be convinced by your arguments because you make no coherent points. Your inability to understand how deranged you come across is reminiscent very strongly of mindfucked Scientologists:

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqVKmgrMsMo

            • grundoon

              As perhaps the only OTO initiate here, it is up to you to enlighten us, or not. By merely calling names, you leave us as ignorant as before. If you come here only to throw stones, while shedding no light on the subject, you earn the label of troll.

          • JessicaSideways

            So finally, where does this all boil down to? Frankly, Scientology (a) has no ties to the OTO and (b) has a divergently different philosophy than the OTO.

            First of all, I could leave the OTO today and no one will come pounding on my door demanding me to come back. That would be un-Thelemic, it would not be respecting my will. However, we have people here who say that people from Scientology follow and harass people who leave all the time.

            Second, right now, it costs me $288 dollars a year to belong both to the OTO (US Grand Lodge yearly annual dues) and my local body. I don’t have to pay anything extra for courses offered by my local body. I also don’t have to advance in the OTO if I do not wish to. I am not pressured to buy any books by anyone (most of Crowley’s works are available on the Internet) and no one is continually altering and republishing Crowley’s works.

            Thirdly, I do not even have to LIKE Crowley… and I don’t. It is like I told another member of the OTO, “I am in the OTO in spite of Crowley, not because of him”. This was before I took my Minerval and I wasn’t stopped from doing so. I wasn’t harassed in a tiny room for hours or made to write up what was wrong with me for saying such a thing. I can accept Crowley’s faults because guess what?

            Thelema ≠ Crowley ≠ the OTO

            Which brings me to my fourth point, it is not a requirement to be a part of the OTO to be a Thelemite and the OTO will not deny my being a Thelemite if I choose not to continue with the OTO. The OTO recognises that the OTO isn’t the only means by which one can be a Thelemite. Also, Thelema is not tied exclusively to Crowley’s writings and teachings and many people are seeing people offer new ideas and new ways to practice Thelema outside of the Libri of Aleister Crowley. And the OTO is not tied to Crowley’s wishes, as it is a living organisation. This is evident in the fact that money can’t buy you advancement in the OTO. There are time restrictions between the degrees you have a right to take (from Minerval to Fourth/Prince of Jerusulem) and the ones above that are invitation-only. I have no clue as to what mechanisms are used to determine who gets that invite and how but I am pretty confident that it has more to do with fraternity and character than how big someone’s wallet is or how strapped for cash the order is.

            Fifth, and finally, as a Thelemite, I am not restricted to practicing only Thelemic rituals or reading only Crowley’s works. I can read the Vedas, the Sutras, the Koran and the Bible and a whole host of other books. I can perform rituals as I will and as a Thelemite, working towards achieving the Great Work, I will write down the results and determine what worked and what did not. I can decline any ritual I do not feel advanced me and no one will harangue me and tell me that I am wrong. That is why the Equinox, Crowley’s Journal for Thelemic studies, bills itself with the Subtitle “The Methods of Science, the Aims of Religion”.

            In short, I am free to practice as I will and no ethics officer will breathe down my neck for doing yoga, no registrar will pressure me to buy something I don’t want and no midget full of self-importance will invalidate my progress.

            When it all boils down to it, yes – Hubbard did steal a lot from Crowley. But Crowley wasn’t the only one he stole from and I think his motivations have a hell of a lot more to do with enriching himself than as some sort of Thelemic working. That is what the evidence suggests concerning Hubbard’s motives. And to close my comment, I leave you with this quote, which I feel is truer to Hubbard’s intentions than magick.

            “Make money, make more money, make others produce so as to make more money” – El Ron

            • Zer0

              “Frankly, Scientology (a) has no ties to the OTO”

              I appreciate your earnest post, but you can’t be serious! ?

            • JessicaSideways

              I am, for all the reasons stated above.

            • Robert Eckert

              What you have stated above confirms that “Thelemites” and followers of Crowley can come in multiple varieties. Of course Scientology and the present OTO are not the same organization or connected in any way, but they are branches from the same tree.

            • JessicaSideways

              Perhaps so, but to compare the two as Atack does is as ignorant as Creationists that claim that evolution posits that humans and modern day monkeys fall on the same line, where they might be likened to cousins.

              I think the idea of ring species might be a good analogy too, as there is little convergence between Scientology and OTO because of the vast difference between the two.

            • Robert Eckert

              “Ring species” are cases where there is an absolute continuity and you cannot separate the two at any point, even though members from the far ends of the continuous band look different. Indeed Scientology and OTO are part of the same continuum, however little you like to acknowledge it.

            • JessicaSideways

              I don’t like to acknowledge it because it is untrue. Scientology and the OTO are not part of the same continuum and for you to sit here and say that, in spite of all the evidence, shows your intellectual dishonesty.

            • Robert Eckert

              OF COURSE they are part of the same continuum. They are both branches off of Crowley’s games. You have demonstrated that yourself.

            • JessicaSideways

              No, I have demonstrated the opposite.

            • Robert Eckert

              In what respect? Point to any sentence in Atack’s write-up which you consider mistaken.

            • JessicaSideways

              I did in the previous comments. If you would actually read them, you would know.

            • Robert Eckert

              I have read your comments. At no point do you indicate anything that Atack said which you purport to disprove.

            • JessicaSideways

              Yes, keep showing your intellectual dishonesty, it only proves my point more.

              I have tried, and tried, and tried, to show you the facts but you don’t want the facts – you are comfortable with your bigotry and only want to see the world as what you want to see. Maybe it was my naiveté that people are generally good and to assume good faith, maybe it was a vain hope that when confronted with the facts, you would either do an about-face or present information to me that would contradict my information and would result in further research and either me changing your mind or you changing mine by virtue of having better information.

              This much I will admit, I gave you too much good faith.

            • Robert Eckert

              We DO see the facts. You yourself said “Hubbard did steal ideas from Crowley” (that is a direct quote: I am screen-grabbing your posts in case you are the type to retroactively edit) which is all that Atack was saying; of course you add that Hubbard took ideas from a lot of other places too, and everybody agrees with that too, and LRH warped everything he took with his own selfishness. NOTHING THAT YOU HAVE SAID CONTRADICTS THE FACTS THAT WE ALL UNDERSTAND. You never had any cause to be accusing anybody of lying. And while of course you want to emphasize that the OTO you belong to is a totally separate organization from Scientology, that does not mean that there do not remain similarities from their shared heritage. Both of them claim to bring freedom to their practicioners, but turn them into noxious propagandists.

            • Once_Born

              Our cousins are apes (e.g. chimpanzees and bonobos) not monkeys .

              Monkeys have tails. Apes don’t.

            • Zer0

              I like discourse and exchange of ideas, but if someone is going to post that scientology has “NO TIES” to OTO then that is just plainly disingenuous.

            • JessicaSideways

              How so?

            • V4Vacation

              Awesome post. And I agree!

          • JessicaSideways

            So, as I tested your theory and disproven the notion that the people here are anything even remotely related to “good company”, I am leaving. The people here are incredibly fucked up and I think there is more than enough evidence to prove it.

            Per the people here, this is a place where confronting bigotry is unwelcome and trying to have an honest conversation is trolling. Talking to the people here is like talking to Christian Weston Chandler.

            Good riddance.

            • Zer0

              I thought you were going to stay and convince me that LRH had absolutely no connection whatsoever with Crowley and the OTO?

              Perhaps you are leaving because you were making false assertions?

            • grundoon

              So you won’t be back?

            • Nevermore

              Where did you try to have an honest conversation? You came in screaming about blood libel and a pox on everybody. You were asked which part of the article was false/wrong/libellous and so far have not responded, expect with more insults and self-made drama.. Great comm tech.

        • Cat Daddy

          heey hunni wanna do some magic stuff together ?

        • Nevermore

          Well, you know, you came in here shrieking insults first – what did you expect? None of us are in the ‘turn the other cheek’ camp. And you STILL haven’t pointed exactly what it is that Atack said that is so monstrously wrong. All you had to do was a quick cut and paste from the article, but no, that would have been too easy. And your repeated refusal to do it just makes me (and others) think ‘troll’. Back under your bridge, please.

    • Cat Daddy

      Can you ask the other Satanists here in my country to stop abusing and torturing children below the age of six to create multiple personalities please. Dated a girl who’s eyes turned to pitch black from bleu-green. One of her 3 submissive personalities. GOD DAMNED

    • Cat Daddy

      For your information and courtesy I made a thread in the Why We Protest section about rape. Concerning Satanism and ritual child abuse including OTO.

      Blessed be

    • Jon Hendry

      Atack mentions blood, but there’s no suggestion that the blood would have been obtained in any ethically objectionable method. Consent of the donor (or the donor being an animal, at a time when the treatment of animals wasn’t as much of a concern) means there was no blood libel.

      A blood libel would be if Atack suggested that OTO murdered people to obtain the blood. If Crowley or Hubbard or Parsons had mistresses or female followers who were willing to squat over a parchment during their periods, they were free to do so, and it’s not a blood libel.

  • HelenNPN

    This was simply fascinating.

  • dagobarbz

    Scientology has been putting on a helluva show since 2008. It’s like they pulled out all stops and threw rationality out the window when anonymous arrived on the scene. It seems like every year around January, something happens. Anonymous happened. Jett Travolta died. Debby Cook sent an email.

    The really crazy thing is, Scientology Inc. treated its new challenges like business as usual. The organization kept doing the things that worked in the past, failing to take into account the nature and numbers of new critics of the cult. All that happened was, cult behavior confirmed to anonymous that everything the OG claimed was true.

    Are we close to the final act? Not by a long shot. Look how the state of Georgia is handling Narconon. Despite the openly blatant fraud and dangerous quackery, the AG is damn near kissing L. Ron Hubbard’s ass. And don’t forget the state senator who suddenly did a flipflop over to Narconon’s side, in the middle of a publicity storm over numerous deaths at the facility in Michigan…

    Nah, the cult still has some juice and venom left. It’s not dead yet. Downtown Clearwater is, though. No hope for redevelopment now. Game over.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      You are right. Clearwater might as well pull up stakes and move all the City offices across the bridge to the Beaches.
      They are toast.

      • Nevermore

        Maybe they could redraw the city boundaries. Draw a ring round the $ciloon territories and declare them not part of the city.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Giant Wall…like escape from New York.
          Like Howdy said.

          • L. C. Spencer

            Fence ’em in like Mordor!

      • Eclipse-girl

        Didn’t someone put up a link yesterday that stated Co$ had purchased a large section of beach?

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          ? Don’t know about that. Just the new property which is close to waterfront…but not across the bridge at the beaches.
          Unless I missed something.
          I can’t see the cult trying to move across the bridge (no pun intended).

          • Eclipse-girl

            I hope I am wrong

      • 1subgenius

        Ummmm. Might I remind you that it’s all going to collapse very, very soon?
        And then Clearwater, and the rest of us can resume normal operations.
        You’re welcome.

      • Zer0

        I’ve heard it said that Clearwater has some of the best beaches in the world, and if it wasn’t for Scientology, the proximity of a historical downtown could make it a leading international tourist destination.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Valid points. BUT – it’s snowballing as never before. Also, Freewinds learned nothing from Titanic.

  • Shannon

    I’m a former village voicer who came over here when you left, wouldn’t of considered going anywhere else for my Scientology news and great conversation! Happy anniversary Tony please keep it up! *sparklers and streamers*

  • richelieu jr

    So, erm, according to Hubbard… Alligators ‘Bark’ at you?

    This neighbourhood is worse than I thought!

    • L. C. Spencer

      Ha, that stuck in my ear as well 🙂

  • Miss Tia

    Okay, I’m a total DORK and finally figured what I was doing wrong with disqus. If anyone wants to join in with SPs Who Care—to reach out to Sea Org members at missions to show them that SPs/Wogs care, I got disqus working, finally, on my site, so we don’t use Tony’s bandwidth for this and it’s not OT over here! I also have disqus set for no commercialism. http://misstia.com/wecare.html And anyone ever has another idea and wants to have a major OT discussion and not take up Tony’s bandwidth, just let me know and I’ll make you a page and put disqus on it and make you an admin.

    • L. C. Spencer

      You are terrific in so many ways 🙂 Thanks for all you do!

      • Miss Tia

        Aw thanks, I just try to help however I can! It’s easy to make a page and now that I know what a dorkish error I made with disqus, it’s easy to get that onto a site too! 🙂 More than happy to help however, as I unable to spare any money, so I try to make up for that in other endeavors.

        • L. C. Spencer

          Where did you learn to get good with disqus? Did you find a good tutorial?

          • Miss Tia

            Nah, actually it’s quite simple (after you realize it’s really simple! 🙂 I do html pages, and I just copied the code from the disqus page, plopped in my user name, uploaded it to my server, and viola! it’s there on your page!

  • loyalreader

    Happy Birthday Bunker. I guess you would call me a ‘never in’. But I have been reading every single forum, blog, etc. on CO$, or The Cult, that I can find. I was in a different cult and I guess for that reason, I am totally and completely invested in taking down the CO$. They kidnap, torture, fleece and blowup families. I do not at all understand why the US government has been turning a blind eye on this disgusting org.

    Kudos to everyone who escaped, strength to everyone trying to leave and an overwhelming thank you to all of you who are doing your best to bring this evil out into the open and hopefully, then into thin air.

    I am afraid. I read blogs from decades ago where people said, “they are finally going down”. Can this really happen? Will Mr. Miscarriage finally be brought to pay for his crimes? I hope so with all of my being. But I am afraid.

    • Eclipse-girl

      We all realize that Co$ has escaped many times in the past. We HOPE that we are seeing the end.

      Part of my hope stems from more the greater education of the public.

      Part of my hope stems from Ray Jeffrey being aware of the tricks of $ci-lon lawyer tech

      Part of my hope stems from my assumption that Marty Rathbun really does want to see DM Fail.

      Part of my hope stems from my assumption that Insurance Co and Credit Card Co.s really do not like being defrauded. They will do what is needed to get their money back, and they have they incentive to do the research into the corporate structure to get the triple damages and to prevent this particular cult from being able to rise again.

      • Sidney18511

        I will be really pissed if the insurance companies don’t go after them. As a small business owner I had to buy my own insurance for over 20 years and those weasels refused to pay for my 8 year old daughters bladder infection because she had one a year before and it was a “preexisting condition”, in fact, now that I think about it….they fought me almost EVERYTIME I had to use physicians services, they a like a cult themselves!

        • Eclipse-girl

          I am not fond of Health insurance co.s In general I describe them as bastards. I am hoping that they will not lose their tenacity when dealing with $cientology and and of it’s tentacles

    • SLIM

      Welcome Loyalreader…
      We have party favors for everyone..

    • Rita Gregory

      Welcome!

  • Bella Legosi

    One year down and a life time to go!
    😀
    Even if this cult crashes and burns I am sure there will be material to write about forevah! Crack a bottle! And finish your damn book! >P

    Thank you Tony for this very interesting post today!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      We still have 18 minutes before the official Bunker Birthday toast.
      So get ready!

      • GlibWog

        OMG I just came back… Yaya.. 18 minutes.. Woo Hoo..
        It’s like New Year’s Eve..haha

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Perfect timing Glibby!
          Just puuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrfect!

          • GlibWog

            OMG ..awwwwwwwww… that poor kittah

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I had to go fetch my glass….ready for count down…checking the world clock.

  • baddog5623

    nom nom nom

  • Kitz

    Happy Birthday to the Bunker! Thank you Tony for your integrity, and in depth reporting on this monster. May there be many more, but with a much better topic (meaning that the cos has gone down in flames).

  • GlibWog

    ” Happy Birthday to my Bunker Buddies.. Woo Hoo.. Tony Thank you Thank YOu…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMFwjgJnT0A

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Happy Birthday to “The Underground Bunker” and the should be a Pulitzer Prize journalist, Tony Ortega and all the Bunkerettes. Thank you for everything. I am always learning, and always need the lulz. In my favorite new Dali Wine Glass, a Toast to a raving best seller! The Hole

    http://i40.tinypic.com/313oac0.jpg

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      YaY!

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Happy Birthday to everyone!
    Newbies and cranky old timers too.
    This is so THETA!!!!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Was I supposed to bring my crank? Nobody told me we were wearing our cranks! Now where did I put my … what was I supposed to bring again?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        If you can’t remember what it was……….you have to take a drink!

        edit: I am pretty sure I am going to be in bed by 7!!!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Maalox smoothie or wine cooler? touch choice. can’t believe it’s been a year. I can’t wait till Tony’s book comes out. I know, I Just Know, like, pfffffft, WOw, kszzzbOom! It will be a real corker and winner too!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            You look great in that black turtleneck I just envisioned you in!
            hahaha

    • Semper Phi

      Way more theta than anything the cult ever dished out!

  • Candy Swanson

    HEAR HEAR! THANKS TONY FOR ALL THAT YOU DO! HERE’S TO ANOTHER GREAT YEAR!

  • Eclipse-girl

    Happy Birthday Tony and The Underground Bunker.

    Now If I could just post a Champagne Glass

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      The Golden Age of Bunker glasses…just happen to have some handy…

      http://i41.tinypic.com/2dv7xp3.jpg

      • Eclipse-girl

        TY so very much. Its perfect

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        All this needs is a tiny Davey in a “Scientology blue” suit standing between the glass stems like they were lilliputian columns.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I think of that ad with a the tiny guy on the desk trying to give orders.
          The tiny voice gives me the giggles.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          btw, did you see the 2nd tent pic that Sunny posted….poles went up over night! We could speculate for hours on that one! But she also mentioned black plastic liners put in over that big hole on the Outdoor Furniture Storage building lot being worked on. It’s too much, too much I tell ‘ya.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Yeah, I am wondering about the “hole” by the Fort Harrison. But that black pipe is telling me they may just be a drainage compliance issue of some kind.
            Now if it was yellow gas pipe……….I would get real interested, real fast!
            That would make me take a whole nother look at those “perceptics” contraptions.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              besides the pipes, today Sunny said they had placed black plastic liners, plastic bag like, over the hole, maybe more than one, but sounds like one was pretty deep. hah, now I’m thinking of that evil tree in the movie “Poltergeist” when it started storming like it had here and then the tree threw the kid off into the pool and all the skeletons popped up. How far down can you dig when you’re at 0 sea level? So what’s the 2nd tent for?

              Maybe he’s softening up and is going to provide seating for all the SP’s? I mean, we know he’s desperate to find warm bodies to fill seats. If we could have a tour to oily table, I’m sure he could fill the place.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Needs investigation I say!

            • Johnny Tank

              When shooting somebody in the head, cleanup is a lot easier if you put the plastic down first…

            • Eclipse-girl

              Have you been taking lessons from Dexter?

            • Johnny Tank

              Old mafia films 🙂

            • DeElizabethan

              One could look in some records to see what was there in earlier years. Seems to me it was some sort of garage where they fixed mechanical things. it was crummy that’s for sure.

        • Johnny Tank

          Or him standing behind them like they’re prison cell bars.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Even better.

        • Nevermore

          Or a wee Davey swizzle stick!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            He is just the right size!

  • TonyOrtega

    Thanks for all the good wishes. The cats broke out the Lagavulin 16 for the occasion. Tasty!

    • Nevermore

      My dad liked that when he was allowed to drink – enjoy!

    • Eclipse-girl

      Its a very Peaty single malt

      And have with a glass of spring water on the side.

      • Espiando

        The water’s the easy part, but what type of spring should you use? Would a Slinky ruin the taste of the scotch?

        • Fringelurker

          Anything as long as it’s not ice! Ideally room temperature water. As to a Slinky, it’d be fine as long as it’s plastic or metal coated plastic. A metal one might interact with the drink and give it a funny taste. (Or is “Slinky” meaning something other than the springy toy?DidI do a silly?)

        • Casabeca

          Ah, a Scotch sophisticate like myself.
          😀

        • Eclipse-girl

          Water from a natural spring, and creating a waterfall from the scottish highlands, of course 😉

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      YAY! Happy Birthday!
      Kiss the cats and rub wrinkly tummy.

    • 0tessa

      You are our hero!

    • Mark

      You have excellent taste in single malts, Tony. Cheers!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I was just thinking that he had better taste than Davey.
        Righto!

        • Mark

          Macallan is (mostly) overpriced vanity-booze in silly bottles.

          • 1subgenius

            Yer just saying that because….well, you kmow.
            You wouldn’t kick her out of bed for eating crackers.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            SP!

      • 1subgenius

        We better take up a collection so he can afford a whisky with more than just one malt, no?

        • Espiando

          CLICK LING! CLICK LING! TONY ORTEGA SINGLE MALT FUND! SCIENTOLOGY RAPED HIS CATS! CLICK LING! CLICK LING!

          (This ad was not authorized by t1kk or, for that matter, anyone with any vestige of sanity.)

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Have you taken your meds? If you haven’t…Don’t..
            Cuz you are killing it tonight!
            (Or maybe you are just killing me…I have a wierd sense of humor)

            • SLIM

              No…He’s killing me too…
              But yes…You are wierdish..
              In a good way..

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Ewww….you think I am wierd? KEWL.
              I am flattered!

    • Cat Daddy

      May you slay many more dragons upon your journalistic quest for thruth and valor

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        May the OSA be behind you and the Pulitzer down the road.

    • Kim O’Brien

      Cheers to you ! ( insert irish blessing here )

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        My friends are the best friends
        Loyal, willing and able.
        Now let’s get to drinking!
        All glasses off the table!

    • Zer0

      Cheers, Tony! Happy Bunker Birthday!

    • SLIM

      “The most interesting Man in the world”….
      I don’t always drink Lagavulin…
      But when I do…It’s because I’m having a wonderful fucking time…

    • 1subgenius

      Indeed.

    • stillgrace

      366 Thank You’s to you, Tony!

      I’ll just leave this here:

    • aquaclara

      The glasses are all poured, the party is in full swing, and the speeches are flying in fast and furious, to celebrate this terrific day.

      Tony, thank you for all your great work– all the long hours, the lost vacations we know you never took, the undercover investigations as you follow a lead, and for dealing with whatever crap the cult has dished out– all to craft an endless run of incredible stories.

      Most of all, thank you for the people you’ve introduced us to. Their stories have tugged at our hearts, made us mad, given us something to cheer and laugh about, or — most often, made us cry. You’ve been great at letting us all roar in with our own advice, even when we are quite wrong. Your work stands on its own, and I look forward to much more to come.

      The Bunker has grown, and we have added many, many more tents so everyone can join the party! We always have room for more!

      Enjoy your beverage, as we all drink and celebrate with you, for an outstanding year, and for another one yet to come!

      Cheers!
      It’s time for the fireworks to begin!

      • Robert Eckert

        “the lost vacations we know you never took” What do you mean? You know he got to see beautiful New Braunfels, Texas!

        • aquaclara

          🙂

        • SandiCorrena

          New Braunfels is beautiful but he was working too hard!

      • Interested

        Superbly written. Aqua And totally agree. Happy birthday Tony and the bunker..

        • marti

          Superbly written. Yes. Congratulations Tony.

      • Missionary Kid

        Cheers, and thanks for all of your measured, accurate reporting, putting up with all of our foolishness, at least trying to educate us, and providing a forum for us to direct our efforts and anger at the truly evil enterprise called $cientology.

        We hope you a happy and even more prosperous second year. You deserve to celebrate.

      • Aslansown

        I will have to say that your cats have excellent taste. Enjoy and thank you for your absolutely stellar reporting!

      • Exterrier

        Ditto, Aqua! Very well said, indeed. Tony has built a community here….who knew that would happen? A credit to all of you all here, and especially to Tony’s steadfastness and his persistent and thorough professionalism, which has set such an amazingly high tone to this whole endeavor.
        In fact, the whole thing deserves a GIANT WOW!

      • DeElizabethan

        Tony, thought to look into that Scotch and it is extra special! However I used to be scotch drinker many years ago and now settled for a bottle of TOMATIN 12, Highland single malt. boy, it sure is warming to the throat and easier on the calories than other alcoholic beverages that I drink so …. Here’s one for you darlin”. My cat said it is a good for me.

    • Fringelurker

      Pretty good choice! Not my favourite single malt from Islay (pronounced eye-luh.), I prefer the Bruichladdich (pronunciation variable) as the peaty-ness is less overpowering. It’s times like this that I feel blessed to live in Scotland.

    • Donut

      Good choice, Slainte!! Thanks for a brilliant year.

    • richelieu jr

      Tony O. doesn’t often rest on his laurels, but when does take a minute to look back on a job well done (as well as an obvious tail jumping back behind a lamp post even though he weighs at least 250 pounds and looks like an elephant hiding in a raincoat), he invites the cats and breaks open a bottle of Lagavulin 16…

    • Sherbet

      Thanks for all you’ve done. For those who ask, “How could people fall for a cult?” I ask a similar question: “How could one ‘unemployed writer from the fringe of the Internet’ seduce hundreds of people to worship at his feet?” And I know I do worship you, because you speak the truth. Wishing you the strength to carry on, Tony O, till it’s all over.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Sherb….You are worshipping false gods!

        Are you still on Percocet?

        Okay, Okay…TO is close to “worship worthy”……..(TO, please note for suck up points…I may need them later)

        But Sherb, “worship” is a word best saved for Taco’s.
        I thought we were “CLEAR” on this.

        You must go back and do the basics.
        That will be $250,000.00 dollars.

        Please make the check out to: BuryTheNuts.
        And throw a little Cilantro in the envelope.

        • Sherbet

          No Percocet today, trying good ol’ Tylenol instead with mixed results. I slept most the day and missed the festivities here. Tony IS worship worthy, as well as suck-up-point worthy. But since you got me at a weak moment, the $250 thou is in the mail, with Greek oregano and basil. I didn’t have any cilantro.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            The Greek Oregano and Basil saved you from the running program.
            Your foot can thank me later.
            🙂

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        People fall under Tony Ortega’s spell because they are SP’s who can’t think with the data! Fact: Virtually all of Ortega’s readership believes that the Moon landing actually happened and was not staged by the Psychs. But look at the shadows in the so-called photos! The Moon landing was as staged as Ortega’s blog!

        • Sherbet

          That’s about right. Guilty as charged, Gr8 One.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      We in RTC send Tony Ortega our best wishes for continued success as the #1 Cosmic Enturbulator in this or any other galaxy.

      Emperor Miscavige the Imperious is of course neither pleased nor amused.

      http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/KingDavid_zpsba827371.png

      • SLIM

        Hold on OTV111isgr88!
        First he was Captain….Then Admiral…
        Now he’s an Emperor?

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          A singular world figure who continues to be exalted above mere mortals, Emperor Miscavige was coronated on August 15, 2013: http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2013/08/15/david-miscavige-crowned-emperor-of-the-church-of-scientology/

          Like his interlocking boards of directors, Emperor Miscavige now has two large interlocking circus tents in Clearwater that will allow him to store hay for his 1,000 royal Super Power stallions.

          Life just keeps getting better all the time for Emperor Miscavige!

      • tetloj

        My favorite outfit yet. Has RTC considered a line of ecclesiastical dress up dolls? The type where the doll is cardboard and the clothes cut out from paper with strategically placed tabs to attach/hang the clothes?

      • Room 101

        This is the straightest looking picture of DM I’ve seen thus far

    • J. Swift

      Tony, Karen and I congratulate you on a blockbuster year of solid and outstanding journalistic accomplishment.

      You are a very rare and talented journalist whose work is breathtaking at times.

      And yet you make it look so easy.

      Your blog is so bleeding edge and disruptive that the Cult’s future is often created here. The Cult does not see or understand this fact.

    • pronoia

      Cheers! Best wishes and hers to looking forward to many many more moons of fine enturbulation.

    • Ruby

      Cheers!! To you Tony and to all my friends here! 🙂
      I broke out the Corona…cuz I am a beer gal thru and thru!
      Oh, and PS…I did make the 1 PM (4EPT) toast as well…I was just not on the computer then. 🙂

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Congrats on a great year, Tony. Cheers

    • Narapoid

      Congratulations and thank you for this awesome site and the terrific reporting. Your work is the singular clearing house for info and I hit it everyday. I started posting when you were reporting from Texas.

      Victor Smith’s posting last week moved me to tears and I am positive those peaking out from under the Miscavige tent will find the facts that the cult doesn’t want them to see. You are doing God’s work in saving the pilgrims.

      All the Best!

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Happy Anniversary Tony Ortega, Proprietor, Underground Bunker, and congratulations on your phenomenally successful year with your new blog!

      And Happy Anniversary to fellow Bunkerheads!

      And to the think, here are your parting words to us at the Village Voice, September 14, 2012:
      http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/09/scientology_watchers_a_message_from_tony_ortega.php#Comments

      “To the readers of this blog…

      …..I’ve decided to take advantage of this moment to change directions. Next week will be my last as editor of the Voice; I will be leaving to pursue a book proposal about Scientology in its time of crisis.

      …..I started writing about Scientology seventeen years ago, but in the last two years I tried a new experiment — blogging about Scientology’s many global controversies in a consistent, nearly daily frequency.

      ….Your tips and knowledgeable analysis have made this blog live and breathe. I regret that at least for now, this show is going off the air. But perhaps soon, as I pursue my new goals, I’ll be able to post a story here and there in another venue.”

      I quote and repeat, “post a story here and there…” ROFLMAO!

      And the rest of your story is now making blog history; not merely in the exponential growth in the caliber and quantity of brilliant and witty comments (from your Bunkerheads, as I like to think of us) but also in the caliber and quantity of sources from deep within the cult.

      It’s hard to believe that a mere twelve months ago, you put up your first blog post here in the Underground Bunker (with 96 comments) on Sept. 28, 2012. See http://tonyortega.org/2012/09/

      You have had phenomenal success because you are a phenomenal journalist, Tony Ortega!

      “You cover it deep and… do it with attitude.” – to (mis)quote you from one of your rare interviews. (http://100interviews.com/post/2957958443/26)

      During this same interview, you were asked, “What makes someone’s writing right for the Voice?” And your reply was, “Get to the point, don’t waste time and tell a compelling story… Have respect for the reader… have some narrative flair.”

      What a perfect way to describe your own qualities!

      But what also makes you shine, brighter than most of your contemporaries in journalism, is your strong sense of ethics; your integrity in researching the facts for a story and getting those facts from an impressive list of original sources, or as close to the source as is humanly possible; your, oftentimes, underlying moral outrage at the injustices perpetuated on your fellow man and your persistence in digging through the b***s**t to unearth the truth behind those injustices; and let’s not forget your determination to get the necessary facts to substantiate your description and retelling of that truth for us, your readers; and finally, as you put all those facts together, gathered from your reliable sources and your research, and assemble and shape a story for us that is as coherent, clear, and simply stated as you can possibly make it, you also manage to reveal the vein of humanity that runs through that story and the human spirit that is at the core of that story.
      And then, when it’s appropriate to do so, you will present that story with style and humor so that your readers can laugh or chuckle or snort or choke or spew or spray their morning coffee onto our keyboards!

      All that to say, Tony Ortega, you’ve got it all! All the characteristics and qualities I can admire in a journalist and a fellow human being.

      It is very late, and few of my fellow Bunkerheads (Bunkerites? Bunkerettes?) will probably read this, but I still would like to share with them the following story you told – as I’m sure they will be just as interested as I was to discover how long you been working as a journalist:

      ” ‘When I was in ninth grade, I tried to create a school newspaper. But my attempts at publishing were routinely thwarted because the administration at my small, private Jewish high school in South Florida didn’t want to risk angering parents or donors with a student-run paper.

      Every month, I’d assign articles to the few students that actually showed up to meetings. Then, I’d edit them, write the rest of the paper alone and print out copies in the library.

      I’d diligently submit the finished product to my school’s principal, wait a few days while she combed each page and then inevitably be disappointed when the whole thing was rejected.

      There was nothing particularly salacious in my makeshift newspaper. One article I assigned was to go across the street to the public high school and ask those students what they thought of us in our gated school yard, with an all-white population and starchy uniforms. The other was to survey the student body about gay rights. The last time I attempted the paper and was rejected was in December when I included “Christmas Eve” on a calendar. It was kind of pathetic.

      A few months later, I applied and was accepted (probably out of pity) to the local South Florida Sun-Sentinel teen journalism internship, where I worked for the remaining three years of high school and for two summers in college. I moved up to community freelancer when I was 16 years old. I remember waking up one morning at 6, driving to cover a junior ROTC training session and then going to an 8 a.m. biology exam right afterward, sweaty and exhausted.

      In college, I worked for my student paper and interned for the Boston Globe.’ ” (http://100interviews.com/post/2957958443/26)

      I want to say a sincere “Thank You” – for your dedication to your field, to your subjects, your subject matter, to the story itself, and to us, your readers. I wish you continued success.

      With deep respect,
      Cars

      • DeElizabethan

        This is one hell of a good piece you’ve written AIRC. Wow, you really laid it into a nice accolade for Tony. You’ve stated so well what we appreciate and know about him. You too, will excel in this field, to be sure.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Well, thank you Dee. You’ve really shocked me. I am so stunned. English is not my mother tongue and I always feel shy and embarrassed about posting anything here.
          So on that note, I’ll say good night and hope you have a lovely weekend Sunday.

          • Zer0

            You shouldn’t feel embarassed. I thought you were from the USA.

      • TonyOrtega

        Thank you, Cars, but I’m a Mexican kid from LA, not a Jewish kid from Florida. That story about starting a newspaper in school was written by the young woman who was interviewing me in that story. She provided a long anecdote about herself before getting down to our conversation.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          OMG! Now I know why I’m not a journalist and you are. I am so very sorry. It didn’t make sense at the time (the Jewish kid from FL vs the Mexican kid from LA) but I guess I somehow conveniently overlooked that fact as it sounded so much like you and was so charmed by the anecdote and was in a hurry to post before the end of your Bunker anniversary day. I will edit it out right away. My sincere and full apology Tony.

          I spent two days looking for your first Scientology story and that’s what I wanted to post but, without contacting you and spoiling the “surprise,” I went with that anecdote instead and hoped Bunkerheads would follow the link to the interview to get the rest of your bio. Damn and double damn.

          Oh and you prove yet another point I’ve been wondering about and that is, you must have been a great professor in your college career.
          Thanks again and I’m very sorry. I feel embarrassed and foolish. Jeez…

          Cars

          P.S. Correct me if I’m wrong please, but your first story about Scientology was this:

          http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/1995-11-30/news/hush-hush-sweet-charlatans/full/

          • TonyOrtega

            Yes, that’s it.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Thank you so much Tony for taking the time to confirm that. I appreciate it very much. I have deleted the anecdote, told your readers what I have done and about my original error, and apologized to them as well. If there’s more I can do to un-ring that bell, please advise.
              In hindsight, I’m glad that I could only post close to midnight (EST) last night so few people probably read it. I hope.

            • Candygram

              So you wrote for the New Times? I grew up in the Phx area and used to read that all the time.

      • DeElizabethan

        Funny that, didn’t take that part as being about Tony. Somehow thought it was about you. True it was late at night and after reading the accolade for Tony, didn’t pay enough attention. Thanks for clearing it up.

    • Missionary Kid

      Cheers, and thanks for all of your measured, accurate reporting, putting up with all of our foolishness, at least trying to educate us, and providing a forum for us to direct our efforts and anger at the truly evil enterprise called $cientology.

      We hope you a happy and even more prosperous second year. You deserve to celebrate.

      I accidentally posted this to aquaclara first, so I’m reposting it where it belongs: here.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Dear Tony and Dear Bunkerites!

      I made a caek, but my cats ated it, but I took a picture!

      Happy Bunker Birthday!!!

      [IMG]http://i41.tinypic.com/5fq974.jpg[/IMG]

    • AintMizBahavin

      as a newbie to the site i want to thank Mr Tony Ortega and the Underground Bunker Crew along with everyone else. i can’t and won’t say i know and understand. how or what any of you feel. what i can say is know how it is to be under the control of a narcissitic militant midget miscreant with dreams of grandeur and im so much better off meeting all of you. and Thank you for allowing me to join the Bunker Family as i call all of you when urging my family and friends to read up on cos Congratulations and IN MY BEST CHIPMUNK VOICE SINGING HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YA. HAPPY BIRTHDAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

    • GlibWog

      Poop I’m late for the party Tony Macroni.. xoxo and Hugs from Glibby..

    • Missionary Kid

      Hi Everyone, I’m going to post my lists here, so they don’t clog up later posts.
      DM NICKNAMES
      Deranged Demented Degraded Dave Rabid Savage Miscavage
      (dic)tator tot
      Angry Elf
      Ankle Biter
      Asthmatic Dwarf
      Bag Of Crap Chairman Of the Board: BOCCOB
      Big Bean
      Big Bean 2
      Big Being
      Bishop of bullshit…
      bitty boots
      Boss Miscarriage
      Bubba’s Ass Bitch
      Capo di tutti capi of all of Scientology’s tentacles
      Certifiable Oleaginous Bastard (COB)
      Chairman Mao Miscavige
      Chairman Maocavige
      Chairman Miscavige
      Chairman Mousecavige
      Chairman of the Bored Miscavage
      Chairmidget of the Bored
      Chairmonkey of the Board
      Chuckles the Silly Piggy
      COB, aka Cloacal of Bowels
      Corn on the COB Miscavage
      Court Ducker
      Curretted Own Bollocks
      Daft Davy
      Daft Misfit
      Dafydd*
      Dai Scwatbotwm*
      Dainty Miss
      Damage Mismanage
      Damsel Miscavige
      Danger Midget
      Dangling Modifier
      Dark Helmet
      Dark Lord
      Darth Midget 
      Dastardly Dave
      Dave Misbegotten
      Daverator
      Davey
      Davey Boy
      Davey Dimwit
      Davey Little Cockett
      Davey Micromanage
      Davey Minidick
      Davey Misbitch
      David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige
      David “Two Tents” Miscavige
      David Abortion
      David Makemerich
      David Miscariage-of-Justice
      David Misclampage
      David Miscmidget
      David Miscrab-itch 
      David Misscock
      Davie Miscabies
      Davy
      Davy Dinkyfuhrer
      Dawee
      Demented Midget
      Demented Midget
      Der Dwarfenfuehrer
      Der Kleinegrupenfuhreur (Der Kleine Gruppenführer)
      Der Leader
      Der Manchild
      Der Midget
      Despotic Dwarf
      Despotic Madman
      Devil’s Miscarriage
      Diabolical Davey
      dick tater
      Dickless
      Dickwipe
      DictatorALot (like SpamALot)
      Diddy Dave
      Diddy Davykins
      Dildo Dave
      Diminutive Manchild
      Diminutive miscreant
      Diminutive Mouse
      diminutive sociopathic tyrant
      Dimtard Mass-suckage
      Dimunitive Dimwit
      Dimwit Midget
      Dingleberry Meathead
      Dinky Makemerich
      Dinky McSavage
      Dinky Mindfuck
      Dinky Misconduct
      Dinkyfuherer
      Disconnection Dickie
      Dracula Miscavige
      Dribbling Dwarf
      Drivel McMidget
      Duke of Oil
      Durwood McDumbdick
      Dwarf Master
      Dwarf Megalo-man(iac)
      Dwarf Midget
      Dwarfenfuehrer
      DwarfenOz
      Dwarfish Malignancy
      Dwarfmeister
      dwergen fuehrer (dwergen = dwarves)
      dwergenfuherer
      Earl of thetandicks
      Ecclesiastical Dildo
      eccsleazeiastical leader
      El Davito
      El Dwarfo
      Enrique Entheta (family nickname!)
      Eric Cartman (ref: South Park)
      esleaziastical leader
      Evil overload
      Fearless Leader
      Fleet Enema
      Flying monkey
      Fork Tongue
      Fuckwit
      Furious Homunculus
      Furry Fists of Fury
      Gobshite
      Grand Poohbah and Ecclesiastical Scammaster
      He Who Must Be Blamed
      He Who Must Be Shamed
      He Who Should Probably Wear Lifts
      His Claminess
      His Holeyness
      His Imperial Teensyness
      His Midgetsy
      His Oiliness
      His Satanic Pantwetting Majesty
      His Soil-y-ness
      his wanna-be holiness
      Hollow Heels
      Homunculous Novis
      Homunculus Horribilis
      Igor to “Dr” L. Ron Crankenstein
      Imam of indecency…
      In Trouble In Texas
      jobbernowl
      King of Footbullets
      Lil’ Davey
      Lilliputian dingdong
      Little Bitch
      Little Bottom
      Little Butcher
      Little Dirk Digger
      Little Hitler
      Little Napoleon
      Little Tator Tot the Dicktator
      Littlest Caligula 
      Littlest Miscavenger
      lolliCOB
      Machiavellian Midget
      Makemerich
      Malignant Dwarf
      Maniacal Midget
      Mascagni
      McCalamity
      Mcmismanage
      McSavage
      McScabbitch
      McSlappy
      Merchant of Chaos 
      Mexican Midget Wrestler
      Micromeglomaniac
      Midget fascist pseudo pop-up pope
      Midgeteer
      Minister of Malice
      minute Miscavige
      Mis’dcourage
      Miscabbage
      Miscabitch
      Miscarriage
      Miscmidget
      Miscmunchkin
      Misdamage
      Mismanage
      Miss Cabbage
      Miss Carnage
      Miss Crab-itch 
      Missedcavige
      Mouse king
      Mouse-caviage, rodent king of the clams
      Mouse-caviege His hole-iness
      Mousekavige
      Mousyscabiage
      Mr. Cabbage
      Mr. Micromanage
      Ms Scabbitch
      Nincompope of Scientology
      Nipple Head
      Oil sucker
      oily fucker
      Omnincompoopitent
      Osama Bin Davey
      paper tiger shrimp
      pathetic psychopath
      Perp-squeek
      person of interest Miscavige
      Pie-face
      Pint sized pontiff
      Piscop of pissants. (Piscop=bishop in old English)
      Pissflapscavige
      Pocket Pope
      Poop of Scientology
      Pope of Scientology
      Poppet
      Priest of perversity…
      Prophet of Pain
      Pseudo Pope
      Pseudo-Pope of the Unholy Alleged Church
      psychotic munchkin dictator 
      Quark Brain
      Rodmeister
      Royal Douche nozzle
      Savage Miscavage
      Savage Shrimp
      Sawed-Off Cocksucker
      Scabbage
      Scientolonuts 
      scurvy rat
      Short Notice
      Shortarse
      Shortie
      Shorty
      slapping dwarf
      Slappy
      Slappy McNutts
      Slappy McPunch
      Small group leader
      Snortimer Pigglesworth
      SOB COB
      spokesmidget for Scilontoology
      Squatbottom
      Squirm Worm
      Squirrelscavige
      Tater Tot
      teeny little homunculus
      Teeny Weinie
      The Cheshire Cat
      the Choke of Scamatology
      The Dark Lord Chuckles The Silly Piggy
      the Dildo of our Disconnect
      The Elfish one.
      The ElfMan
      The Knight Who Says “Nix”.
      Tiny Boots
      Tiny Crackpot
      Tiny Cuntroller
      Tiny Dancer
      Tiny dick
      Tiny Dick(tator)
      Tiny Fist Fuckface
      Tiny Fists
      Tiny Terror
      Tiny Tyrant
      Tom Riddle (Voldemort’s real name)
      Toxic Dwarf
      Turd Pope
      Twerpus Humonculous
      uberwanker
      Urban Blight
      Vicar of victimisation…
      Voldemort
      Wankmeister
      Wee Davey
      wee sleekit Beastie (small, sly, wicked beast – Robert Burns)
      Wingnut
      Xenu’s Chew Toy
      Yardstick
      Zygote Munter

      *From a small Welsh tribe of idiots who sailed to Pagagonia in stone boats.
      “Dafydd” is Welsh for David (the ‘f’ is prounounced ‘v’ and the ‘dd’ like th in ‘then’)
      “Dai” is the short familiar version
      “Scwatbotwm” is probably how you’d spell Squatbottom in Welsh orthography

  • rayana00

    Be afraid scientology be very afraid Tony Ortega is here for a long run.

    Happy Birthday Tony and The Underground Bunker.

  • Bob Gravlin

    It is not absolutely necessary to truly verify the occult nature of COS founding, but it does lead credence to where the bitter fruit of this org comes from. As Jesus says “A tree is known by it’s fruit”. Clearly it is a Gnostic religion focused on human ego and human pride and every “Tower of Babel”must fall sooner or later!

    • Espiando

      The sheer number of metaphors being mixed in that statement is giving me motion sickness.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        So that was what was doing it? Thanks…I was too nauseous to figure it out.

      • Robert Eckert

        The Tower of Babel bears such bitter fruit because its roots are in the tentacles of the inky swamp.

  • Jo

    Happy birthday bunker.

    • Vinay Agarwala

      LOL!
      .

      • Jo

        Found it on a cool blog, that mentions Tony a lot, but can’t understand a word of it. Any one speak German? http://www.wilfriedhandl.com/blog/tag/michelle-shelly-miscavige/

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Oh shit. My husband just said the same thing and then showed me a youtube video in German.

          NEIN!!!!

          • Espiando

            You’ve already seen one. Only eight more to go.

        • Vinay Agarwala

          You can use Google translator very effectively. On ‘Google’ page click on ‘More” and then on ‘Translate’.
          .

          • Jo

            Thanks 🙂

        • Robert Eckert

          Largely this rehashes stories we know well. Here is a translation of a story from Germany which we haven’t heard:

          Barbara Angel: After the jungle camp and Wild Girls , the German actress now plays a role in the two-hour movie appearances can be deceptive – A look into psychiatry . The crux of the story behind the film is Scientology or its offshoot Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR – in Germany: Commission for violations of human rights against psychiatry – CCHR).

          Although Angel was even more than ten times mental patient, but now it comes from bad to worse-the corresponding article in Bild am Sonntag …

          and a blurb about a book I haven’t seen mentioned on the Bunker:

          Cyril Vosper: The long-term Sea Org member wrote about his time in Scientology or with L. Ron Hubbard and especially about the “art” Selbiger. Title of the book was The Mindbenders and here is the link … http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/vosper/

          • Jo

            I liked the photoshops, but then I’m easily amused.

          • 1subgenius

            Thanks for that.
            Needs to be re-coded into something downloadable, accessible, and readable.
            Sure, I’ll try.

        • stillgrace

          One of my favorite shoops, Jo!
          FYI: It was posted by “Jacky Blue Note” over at WWP on November 3, 2011.

          • aurora50

            oh, good. was feeling a little queasy to think that was DM’s head on Francis…funny how he has grabbed my heart in just a few months…I don’t even look at how many hopes he holds just now…so fragile…

  • GoofusMcFloof

    REPORT OF NAME CHANGE
    Despite the fact that Target Two poll numbers for our nu-trademark ™Scienetix™ are higher than a circus tent in a hurricane, the poll numbers here on planet Teeg are not so SUAV. For the 18 – 49 demographic among sekchekt, the name ™SciFientology™ is now the clear favorite by 62% of those who’ve had a meal in the last 24 hours.

    Surfwog consultant Smiffy concurred. “Dudes,” he said, balancing a battered OT IX skateboard on his scrawny shoulder during the last OT Committee meeting. “F’chrissakes! You-all got Xenu in your damn pocket! Y’all got space planes! Invasion fleets! Fricking electronic mountains! No goats, no burning bushes! You gots ta use that ace shit, not hide it! Play ta ya strength. Reverend Raygun plays wild in the street, yo.”

    Thus, the Tech for planet Teeg shall henceforth be called ™SciFientology.™

    (For org non-wog cogs trying to economize, continue to use your current stationery until it runs out but be sure to pencil in the additional “Fi.” [And to be clear, that’s SciFientology, not ScientFiology or ScientoloFigy. We hope that’s clear.]) Oh, and all debts incurred by a prior organization with a similar name will be ignored. Thank you. I’ll repeat the question…

  • I knew Arthur a little. He was and is a fascinating person. Extremely talented. He could make amazing sound effects like a tape machine rewinding backwards off the spool and water dripping from a leaky faucet. Neat, huh?
    As an artist, he is superbly talented. His paintings are very dark but extremely well executed. Extremely. Advice his dad gave him when he was staring out as an artist: copy a painting from each style throughout history, which of course was the time honored way of training artists. He did it and has become very successful. The paintings of the great spiritual leaders through history that appeared in the first What Is Scientology? book are Arch’s.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Interesting bit of trivia. Thanks.

    • SLIM

      Right Dan!
      Just like ole Hubbard…
      Stole everything from everyone all the time…

  • Sex magick and nekkid ladies: what a great way to celebrate the
    Bunker’s first birthday. Let me just pour myself a dram…Many happy
    returns!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      “Sex magick and nekkid ladies: what a great way to celebrate the Bunker’s first birthday.”

      I know…right?

      • Yeah, but the Glenmorangie is for special occasions.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Lol, that is so outta my league I can’t even pronounce it.

          • Just as well it’s not Bunnahabhain then, eh?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Ok, now you may as well be speaking Scientologese……..

              OH WAIT…That I can translate!

    • Espiando

      But you live in France. You do sex magick and nekkid ladies every Saturday night.

  • Johan

    Happy birthday everyone!

  • GoofusMcFloof

    Anagram Fun
    Anthony Ortega = Annoy That Ogre

  • Seannie5

    Just watched an interview with a contestant on one of those reality tv modelling shows. She said that by the time she was eliminated she had a hard time even thinking for herself because every decision was made for her – what she was to wear, how much make up to wear, how to stand etc, and then she was filmed 24/7. She was basically a nervous wreck. That was only a few months – but it says a lot about how fast that hold takes over you.

  • Vinay Agarwala

    The following for those who are looking at me as a Scientologist with their filters of hate, and can’t see anything but what they despise. I am not a Scientologist. I am a researcher basically.

    The purpose of a discussion is to learn by exchanging viewpoints. One uses experience and experimentation to obtain data and then brings it to the table to be discussed.

    The participants in a discussion focus on the subject and not on each other. A discussion is not a debate where one is in a contest to win argument against others. There is no need for sophistry. In a discussion there are no opponents. All participants are on the same side. On the other side may just be ignorance. In a discussion each participant’s viewpoint is bound to change and evolve as he/she learns from the data pooled together by all.

    Thus, a discussion is a cooperative effort. There is no reason to censor any data in a discussion. The data simply needs to be examined in detail.

    However, there are distractions that can keep one from discussing a subject. Such distractions may be introduced in the following ways:

    (1) Defending a viewpoint instead of looking at the inconsistency generated by it.

    Some people literally view God as a person who has created this universe. They completely ignore the inconsistency that a person has a form that occupies space, and that form and space are also things that are created as part of the universe. So, God cannot be a person and the creator of the universe. But such people, who believe that god is literally a person, would not like to discuss this inconsistency. They would simply insist that their viewpoint is right. They would reject others who think differently.

    (2) Focusing on participants instead of tackling the data being presented in a discussion.

    This is what happens in the situation described in (1) above. But otherwise too, any focus on participants rather than on the subject of discussion causes much distraction. Such an action may involve commenting on the perceived behavior and characteristics of another participant; and/or becoming accusative, emotional and combative.

    (3) Not providing clarification of one’s viewpoint in a disagreement, instead calling the other person wrong.

    In any disagreement effort should be made to clarify one’s viewpoint as much as possible. Not doing so, and simply saying that the other person is wrong, does not resolve anything. It only produces distraction.

    (4) Not caring in a disagreement if the other person clarifies his/her viewpoint or not.

    A person can be so convinced about being right that he would not even ask the other person for further clarification in a disagreement. He would not even listen if the other person offers any clarification. He simply would not engage in a discussion. This kind of behavior also produces much distraction.

    (5) Complaining that the other person is not answering their question.

    A person cannot see the answer even when it is given to him if he is already committed to another answer. An indication of that is this complaint that he is not getting an answer. The solution is for the person to honestly look at the answer that he has already committed himself to. Why is that answer adequate? Why is the other person’s stance being looked upon as “no-answer”?

    If he then finds an inconsistency, then he should bring it to the table for discussion. But as long as that person is justifying an inconsistency with an existing answer, no discussion is possible.

    .

    Thus, distractions to discussion come from a person who does not want to engage in the discussion in the first place. He could be treating the discussion as a debate, or he may simply want to be right. He has got his mind made up and closed. The above behaviors are indicative of that.

    http://vinaire.me/2012/07/16/discussions-and-what-needs-to-be-avoided/

    .

    • Ms. B. Haven

      Good points Vinay. Personally, I like your presence here and you sharing your experiences.

      • Espiando

        Yes, as long as he doesn’t cross the border into bloviation and break every one of his own rules, coming across as a stuck-up egomaniac who’s utterly convinced that he’s throwing pearls before swine and that the dirty, smelly proles that he’s come to enlighten are often too dense to understand anything he says.

        That behavior is strictly reserved for me.

      • Vinay Agarwala

        Thank you. I am not here to hurt anybody as some people seem to think. My primary interest is research into knowledge, which Hubbard also set out to do, just as many others did before him.

        Is anything wrong with that?

        .

        • V4Vacation

          I appreciate your presence here and respect the discussion points you made above.

          Could you illustrate some examples or evidence of any actual bonafide research that LRH actually did? Or did he just set out to do it, and then wander around as the star of his own private movie, living on everyone else’s dime?

          Whenever LRH spoke of his “research”, without any real specifics or evidence to back it up, the objective impression is that he was sailing the seas or hiding in a hotel/mansion/ranch, popping pills, drinking, and dreaming up his own fantasies (Marcabians) or stealing ideas from others and rehashing them as his own (OT levels).

          My point is that LRH’s behavior does not show him to have been a sincere seeker of knowledge, wisdom, enlightenment, or truth in any classical or modern sense. His behavior shows him to have been a parasite seeking methods of manipulation and oppression.

          I don’t think he can be compared to real researchers into knowledge, yourself included.

          • Robert Eckert

            “I don’t think he can be compared to real researchers into knowledge, yourself included.” I think LRH and Vinay are precisely comparable. What Vinay calls “research” also consists of nothing but dreaming up fantasies or stealing ideas from others and rehashing them without much comprehension.

          • Vinay Agarwala

            You are right. His only contribution seems to be generating popular interest in an otherwise esoteric subject.

        • AsthmaticDwarf

          Here’s some knowledge research, VA: “I had a pre-clear lift an
          ashtray about 3 feet off of a desk, simply by making all the particles of the
          ashtray receive the communication of gravity, and make earth receive the
          communication from all the particles of the ashtray. And gravity disappeared. I
          didn’t say, ‘a mockup of the ashtray’, I said, ‘the ashtray.’ ” — Lafayette
          Ronald Hubbard audio recordings

          • Vinay Agarwala

            He must have been tripping.

        • SLIM

          Hubtard…Research?
          Next you’ll be telling me he had no 2nd wife…

          • Vinay Agarwala

            Well, he didn’t. He only had a third wife. :p

    • phronsie

      Not obligated to read your mini-thesis, don’t suppose many came here for that, and when you equate your efforts to those of Hubbard, a well documented vicious unrepentant conman, you relieve anyone of an inclination to give your comments serious consideration or close review.

      • Vinay Agarwala

        Looks like my interest is very different from most people’s interest here.

        • Robert Eckert

          Finally you say something I agree with.

        • phronsie

          Yes, most people here do not seek in any way to legitimize to any extent the damaging works of Hubbard.

  • An Theta

    “I have only friendship for Jack Parsons” Oh, lrh. So many lies.
    Happy Bunker Birthday from a 2nd generation Sci critic. Those were some dark days between the Village Voice and landing here.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      but we lit candles 😉

      • Espiando
        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I.LOVE.HER!!!!

        • ze moo

          Mel got some sort of award from the CO$ in 98 or 99. Seems she and her then husband are Buddhists and they let the cult use one of her songs for some european pr stuff.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaqPwQTDHZ4

          • Espiando

            “I’ve got a pair of engrams from my mom, you’ve got some brand new cans…”

      • An Theta

        Aw. I thought of you, too, reading first thing this morning. I had problems cracking in to disqus since I am only a periodic poster, and it was making me nuts because I wanted to say so. Cheers!

  • Ms. B. Haven

    How auspicious! There are 666 comments as I post this. I was going to just do a little braggin’ because I thought that on the Bunker’s 1st birthday, I had gotten the ONLY down vote in response to zee mo’s response to Patty. Then I noticed that others in that thread also received down-votes and they were appearing right before me eyes. Way to go Patty, you must have struck a sensitive spot somewhere. I’m jealous.

    • DamOTclese2

      Oh my Xenu! This means something! 🙂

  • V4Vacation

    This post today is so, so good. It’s fun to revisit some original-gangster Hubbard facts and intrigues, after so much Miscavige drama and sad lawsuits and celebrity scandal. Thanks for the delicious history lesson, Jon & Tony! And happy bunker birthday to everyone here.

  • Brad Halsey

    get the FUCK out here, LRH was no HEROINE addict. Just SHUT THE FUCK UP, will you?

    • Nevermore

      Nobody said he was – he was into heroin, not heroines!

      • V4Vacation

        hahahahahaha ;D

      • Sherbet

        “Oh,” sez Emily Litella Halsey. “Never mind.”

    • TonyOrtega

      Try to read a little more carefully, Brad. Jon was referring to “Carlos” as the heroin addict.

      • Johnny Tank

        There seems to be a lot of tension in the bunker today. However, it’s good to get the agression out. Keeping it in isn’t healthy.
        I just personally wanted to thank you for doing such a great job, Tony. I spend way too much time here, but it’s the only place I want to be right now.
        Best wishes from Norway.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I think some people are crashers wanting to be a part of the party, but can’t figure out how to fit in.

          • Johnny Tank

            I hear they have some great courses for that on Craigslist…

            • Eclipse-girl

              That is funny

    • DamOTclese2

      According to Hubbard’s letters to one of his wives, he was addicted to “pinks” and “greys.” Godda love them uppers! Woo Hoo!

    • GoofusMcFloof

      I think that it’s been quite well established that Elron Hubbert was indeed a hardcore heroine addict. He succumbed surrounded by tottering stacks of old 16mm film canisters of every episode of the 1914 silent The Perils of Pauline and at least two copies of every episode of the 1933 sound remake. Eller had a big time heroine jones.

      • Zer0

        “I think that it’s been quite well established that Elron Hubbert was indeed a hardcore heroine addict.”

        Interesting. Is this a true statement? Is it supported by documentation?

        • Robert Eckert

          Note the sentence which follows. He has pulled your leg right off.

          • Zer0

            Post redacted

  • richelieu jr

    I stand behind no one in my appreciation fo Tony and his work here and elsewhere on this subject, but I think, a s we look back at this glorious first year, that we would be remiss not to thank the tremendous help he has had from his assistants:

    David Miscavige, L Ron Hubbard and the CoS, both famously and anonymously misguided.

    I don’t know if they’ll run out of feet or bullets first, but I’m laying money on feet… And one thing is for sure: I’ll be right here with you keeping score.

    • DamOTclese2

      Let’s bring David out here and give him a round of applause!

      David? David? Where are you? Come on out here, we’re not going to slap you with another subpoena. (Laughter)

      • richelieu jr

        Yes, DamOTclese2, let’s not forget to thank the ‘little people’, and by ‘Little People’, I mean, really, rally small… Smaller than Tom Cruise even!
        I mean, you’ve go tot hand it to Miscavige…

        Because if you don’t, he’ll take it anyway and put i the RPF? DI I say ‘RPF”.. Maybe I’ not telling the Hole story now, am I? Ha ha!

  • mook
    • Bury_The_Nuts

      AWESOME!

  • Jon Hendry

    Googling didn’t turn up any other references to Heinlein sexing up Hubbard, but I did find a mention of Hubbard having an affair with Heinlein’s second wife.

    • Jo

      In the profit movie, which is bad it’s so funny. Ron hypnotizes him, steals his, boat, money and wife but later he dumps her for something new and shiny.

      • Jo

        Meant Crowley, got confused.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          meant Parsons?

          • Jo

            Not sure what I mean anymore, gonna retreat from the wine. Lol

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              No don’t do that.
              We know who you mean…………lol!

            • Eclipse-girl

              DO not retreat. You need the wine. Just like I do

        • Eclipse-girl

          I hate Disqus

      • Jon Hendry

        I think that was Parsons. I don’t think Heinlein was into the occult stuff.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Having finally seen that movie through an Eastern European Youtube, I honestly thought the man who was cuckolded was supposed to be Crowley

        • Robert Eckert

          No, it was Parsons whose wife was stolen by LRH. That was Sara “I never had a second wife” whom LRH married while he hadn’t gotten around to divorcing Polly. She later tried to have him committed, and he kidnapped their daughter Alexis and hid her in Cuba to blackmail her out of that idea.

    • Ondine Green

      It’s in _Going Clear_, p. 317, reported as the claim of that very same second wife of Heinlein.

    • DamOTclese2

      Heinlein had some serious sex problems of his own, he seemed to have been obsessed with fucking his own mother and with endlessly trying to work the genetic aspects of incest in to his fantasy fiction. It always seemed to me that he was expressing his own sexual foibles in his fiction.

      • Jon Hendry

        Yeah, that really came out in his later novels.

        • Once_Born

          It seems that Heinlein developed a brain tumour. This affected the flow of blood in his brain, and was responsible for the distorted thinking that led to those huge, meandering, pervy, late novels.

          When the tumour was removed, his personality (and his writing) changed again.

          • Jon Hendry

            Maybe, but then, Phillip Roth wrote a book about 10 years ago that involves a dude eating a tampon, and otherwise is about an old professor having an affair with a student.

            Maybe it’s something about aging authors.

  • V4Vacation

    Here’s a throwback I think everyone will enjoy today. It’s a great article Tony wrote at the Voice in 2008 for LRH’s birthday, and I think it’s a fun reflection for today’s Bunker anniversary. http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-03-04/news/what-to-get-l-ron-hubbard-for-his-birthday/full/

    I’ve been a CoS watcher for a long time, since reading the infamous Time magazine Cult of Greed and Power article in 1991, and Mark Ebner’s Undercover article in Spy magazine (RIP) in 1996. After the internet, I discovered Xenu.net and other random writings. Journalistic investigations were hard to come by, and I was excited when Gawker and Defamer started reporting and/or snarking somewhat regularly in 2005 (you can search those sites’ archives for interesting reads fyi). Then I found the Runnin’ Scared blog at the Voice in 2008, and it’s been like Wog Christkwanzukkah almost every day since.

    Onward and Upward! (I mean, Straight Up and Vertical! & ML)

    • Zer0

      Heh, first thing I did when I took that link to Tony’s 2008 article was look at the comments…. and there weren’t any!!! That one was even before I started watching the cult, or around the same time.

      Love this quote:

      “What other “religion” wanted $100,000 and several years of dedication before a member learned its most basic beliefs? And Scientology can’t afford to be more forthcoming: Who would join if they knew they were going to spend that kind of money (and shun other family members and completely build their lives around Scientology) in order to rid their bodies of invisible space-alien parasites? No wonder such details aren’t mentioned during the most basic Scientology come-on, the free “personality test” you get in the subway.

      • Robert Eckert

        Comment threads really started to be a regular daily thing with the Top 25 People Crippling Scientology series (#25: Galactic Overlord Xenu) in fall 2011.

        • Zer0

          Yes, but there were some good comments dating back even to October 2010

          • Robert Eckert

            Before my time.

            • Zer0

              From an article that month (Oct 2010)

              http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2010/10/daniel_montalvo.php

              I found a comment from Marty:

              “Tony, Great translation of my blog Man. They charged him with Grand Theft, on the false swearing of Moxon as to the value of the hard drives. Moxon is gonna have some explainin’ to do when all is said and done. Marty Rathbun”

            • Robert Eckert

              Astonishing how the OSA used to dominate the comments.

            • Zer0

              I know! I forgot about those days, trying to run them out of the comment section. These days, they wouldn’t last a minute!

            • Robert Eckert

              But I see Rick Mycroft and The Hole Does Not Exist (not yet using that name, but using the avatar), and I wonder how many of the other names are aliases for posters still here (does Mark Stark = Boson?)

            • Zer0

              I think that was only the second article that got comments, probably fast forward to:

              http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/02/inside_scientol.php

              That may have been my first post (different name). Louanne was there!

            • Robert Eckert

              With the creepy-eyeball avatar! That would be the first article I read, though I didn’t read it until well after it had come out, and I didn’t start commenting (under the “bobx” ID) until sometime in Top 25. I see also in those comments the appearance of Karen dela C, who asks Tony to call her so she can share some stories.

            • Zer0

              The start of the Bunker! But it was built on the foundation of decades of research by Tony!

            • SLIM

              That’s the conclusion I came away with…
              Same person…

            • tetloj

              yep

            • V4Vacation

              So great! ;D

        • TonyOrtega

          Even at the Voice, there were almost no stories with fewer than 100 comments. But over several years, we switched commenting systems a few times, and often old comments would get wiped out. So if you look at anything older than two years old, you really can’t judge the real number.

      • V4Vacation

        Oh man, I didn’t even think to look at the comments! Off I go… ;p

        • Zer0

          There are none

          • V4Vacation

            Oh I meant I’m gonna look for comments on some of the juicy articles from like 2009-11. ;D I can’t remember when I started posting. I can’t even remember what the pre-Disqus thread server was. Whatever it was, I didn’t keep up my account there.

            • Zer0

              Livefyre! We complained so much about it back then! And your comments are all still there, don’t worry V4V!

            • V4Vacation

              Amazing! Thanks.

  • monkeyknickers

    I really REALLY did try to parse this Crowley/Hubbard thing out and follow the tangly thread situations here. But I cannot get past one concept without stopping, looking left and right, and sincerely wondering how anyone could take one word of this seriously. Because:

    .

    What.UTTER.HORSESHIT.

    Good christ these riDICulous men. “Guess I should run down to the local Magick Shoppe and stock up on menstrual blood and eye of newt and otter testicles and someone’s icky parchment semen so I can enslave mankind and rule the world. No seriously for real. This is the exact eldritch shit you need to become an all knowing, all powerful god. I read it in Good Housekeeping a coupla months ago. Oh! I MUST remember to cut out that meatloaf recipe on page 21 – WOW was that tasty. I never woulda thought to chuck in a can mushrooms.)”

    Jack. ASSES. Yeesh.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      It was toys for boys…(and girls) back in the day.
      Too bad they didn’t have the interwebz!!!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        or Bingo and Fish Frys on Friday nights.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Exactly!

        • Eclipse-girl

          FISH FRY ON FRI is still really really big in Wisconsin.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            It is still really big at the Vatican too.

          • Jo

            Weatherspoons do it here every fri, never felt brave enough to order it.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            So you’re admitting you have other fish to fry? hahaha I liked our Fish Fry nights at the Catholic community lots; everyone would bring side dishes. Small neighborhoods, not much on any of the 3 TV channels.

          • Missionary Kid

            And they’re good, too.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Have you had the fish boil?

            • Missionary Kid

              No, I haven’t Next time I go to Oshkosh, I’ll be sure to do it.

          • Zer0

            Beer batter perch, please!

            • Eclipse-girl

              We got that.

    • Mark

      • Espiando

        I will NOT create a fucking food safety plan for that. There are limits even to my skill in this area. And my stomach.

        • Mark

          When the so-called “OTO Grand Lodge” was trying to hold public Gnostic Masses a few years ago, the same problems arose (that and the fact that the High Priestess had to be naked). Hence this really ancient shoop.

      • Eclipse-girl

        sorry, i normally love your shoops and this one does make it’s point. But ……….

        • Mark

          Not guilty, E-G: not my work. It’s probably one of the earliest shoops made – about 15 years old (see my reply to Espiando).

          • Eclipse-girl

            I apologize for not reading your response to Espi. OTO advertises?

            • Mark

              As the McDonald’s of occultism the US ‘Grand Lodge’ (or ‘Caliphate OTO’) were once highly web-savvy, and used it as a recruitment-tool. Lately they’ve been getting more authoritarian, with “peer review” to censor what local groups & members can post – coinciding with a decline in members, making them into a sort of milquetoast Co$. Most Thelemites prefer to be independent these days – why pay membership-dues just to keep some ‘Frater Superior’ in luxury? See http://www.parareligion.ch/ for a lot more detail.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I already have issues with my OCD and investigation. I do not think I need to delve into their arena. Another fucking rabbit hole?

            • Mark

              Yup! I contributed to it, too…

            • An Theta

              Thanks for that link.

            • L. C. Spencer

              I found this entire comment fascinating but am especially impressed by your calling it “the McDonald’s of occultism.” That there is some world-class shade, sir.

      • An Theta

        Do you know if they come in a vegan version?

        • Sherbet

          Just chew the empty box.

          • Mark

            We once proposed that the ‘Caliphate’ OTO (the Californian lot) should market boxes of freeze-dried ‘Cakes of Light’ mix, if they were going to be holding huge public Gnostic Masses…

          • phronsie

            Be safer….

          • richelieu jr

            Nah, it only tastes like you’re chewing the empty box.

        • Eclipse-girl

          LOL

          • An Theta

            Glad my sarcasm came thru. Overly serious vegans give the rest of us a bad name.

            And perhaps I need to investigate if my joke is actually a niche market?

            “Are you torn between your spiritual and dietary needs? Now you don’t have to choose!”

            Then get a Kickstarter going…
            Also, the regular version as pictured above would be great to take to a Halloween party.

        • Mark

          They actually used to discuss that seriously back in the days of the alt. groups!

          • An Theta

            Ha. I really do like that. There probably isn’t much room for dietary choices to be considered in CofS, they being not so fond of personal choice in general.

    • Eclipse-girl

      TOTALLY agree with you.

      I will allow you to have one glass of whatever alcoholic poison (sipped thru dinner) in honor of this special occasion.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        just one!
        Enjoy!

      • monkeyknickers

        THANK YOU. I NEED BOOZE.

        The fetuses need a little dozing agent anyhow. 🙂

    • AsthmaticDwarf

      Hey! Yo!! MK!!! Millions of adherents worldwide take all our words seriously, when we’re the only business church on the planet that can offer you such Truths of the Universe as this:

      ” I had a pre-clear lift an ashtray about 3 feet off of a desk, simply by making all the particles of the ashtray receive the communication of gravity, and make earth receive the communication from all the particles of the ashtray. And gravity disappeared. I didn’t say, ‘a mockup of the ashtray.’ I said, the ashtray. “ — Lafayette Ronald Hubbard audio recordings.

      • monkeyknickers

        WOW.

        That is awesome.
        I’m not even joking.

        .

        And thusly, seeing the possibilities, I am going to disappear my rent bill for October using the power of earthly gravity and ashtrays. I’m scrunching my face as we speak. Three feet and rising!

        🙂

        PS How do you people know this stuff?! I am constantly in awe. Ferreals.

    • An Theta

      Well, to be fair, I can totally see why someone would wanna at least try a dabble in the sex magick with Jack (see photo below). Not only was he a smarty pants- a for reals rocket scientist, he was a hunk of hubba hubba. I’m 1.1 on the tone scale and even I can’t resist his (now otherworldly) charms.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        No shit. Jack was cool…and Hot………..but WTF…the people drawn to Jack…and even Jack….were drawn to Hubbard???

        His brainwashing skills were well honed by the time he got to Pasadena.

        • An Theta

          I try to rationalize the Hubbard humping happening after the booze and pills kicked in. Jack wooed them with his charisma (I would imagine). But, yea. *Someone* should delve in to some of those personal stories that must be fascinating from back in the day.
          *clears throat*
          I had on a lovey tin foil cap the other day, and something I read made me wonder if the hub knew anything about that garage incident.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            THE garage incident? curious…Where was hubs then?
            I think LA with a turban on his head.

            • An Theta

              The Big Bang Theory. I wish I could remember what I was reading. I’ll try to find it.

              A verdant plant is legal in my State and often erases memory’s finer details, but it sure sets a good mood for Bunker reading.

            • Once_Born

              “Strange Angel” by George Pendle is a pretty good account of Parson’s fascinating life (he came up with Jet-assisted take-off, as well as all the ‘Magik’ gobbledegook).

              BTW: Forgive me, but every time I think about Parsons’s demise I see Michael Caine in “The Italian Job”, dryly commenting, “You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors orf”.

            • An Theta

              Thanks for the recommendation. I haven’t gotten to that one yet, but “Sex and Rockets” by ‘John Carter’ (a pseudonym) is good, too.

            • Once_Born

              And I haven’t got around to “Sex and Rockets” yet.
              A pseudonym?… John Carter (of Mars)… that makes sense.

          • SLIM

            Ya mean when Parsons blew himself up…?
            He Blowed-up real good…

          • An Theta

            In hindsight, Bury, that first line is an attempt at clever but could be read as crass and insensitive. Ew. I’m sorry.

        • phronsie

          I think I remember seeing a picture of Hubbard in profile when he was a fairly young man, and there seemed to be a hint of lush pretty boy there, maybe a little over-ripe and nothing that really appealed to my taste, but I thought I saw it. It made me wonder if enough of that remained when he started manipulating and snake-charming people into his sway to sort of ease his way. Look at that Boston bomber; make a guy somewhat attractive, and there will be people who will glomp on no matter what damage is being dealt. Anyone able to post some pics of young L Ronny Hubbard?

      • Eclipse-girl

        I am not 1.1 on the tone scale. I can appreciate a beautiful woman

      • monkeyknickers

        HA!

        Who DOESN’T find a rocket scientist hot? Let’s form a club. !! 🙂

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Monkey…You know my Mom was one of those suckers? Right?

      • Eclipse-girl

        (((HUGS))) I have no idea what that means for you growing up.

        It is my bias coming through. I apologize

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          it is OK. i will tell ya later.

          • Eclipse-girl

            (((HUGS)))

      • monkeyknickers

        Which suckers???? She was an egomaniacal white man? I was gonna make funnies but I’m genuinely puzzled and I adore you so let’s just see.

      • monkeyknickers

        OH . . . . . she was wiccan you mean?

        • An Theta

          I like to imagine it was a little of something like this…

          • An Theta

            with a dash of this. But in a beautiful historic mansion in Pasadena and a few years earlier so even better clothes.

      • monkeyknickers

        Wait but really Bury . . . . your mama is . . . . . . ? Sci?

    • Missionary Kid

      Summary of LRH & Crowley: “What.UTTER.HORSESHIT.” Exactly.

  • robinlandseadel

    I’d just like to note that that’s one hell of a tarot deck. Just sayin’.

  • Vinay Agarwala

    Are some people here just for criticizing others? Is that some form of entertainment?

    .

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Seriously Vinay?
      You are starting to get on my last fucking nerve.
      Go commune with a rock or something.
      Or shut the Woo Woo up and just join the party.

      THIS IS NOT SHARTY”S BLOG!!!

      • SLIM

        He did the same thing on Geir Isene’s blog…
        Until Geir got fed up on his SELF-PROMOTION…

        • Eclipse-girl

          I really like Geir. He is articulate and compassionate. I may not agree with everything Geirsays. I think it would be easier to have a discussion with Geir than Vinjay

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Yes…Vinay is a “blog hopper”.
          And I have been quiet…which obviously…is not usually a strength for me.
          But I am going to take my Witch broom and drive him outta here if he doesn’t :
          1: Knock it off and blend in
          or
          2: JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ENTIRELY

          Ok, I am zen again.

          • DamOTclese2

            A blog humper? Sodomy alert! Whoop! Whoop!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Hey, what happened to the Birthday Party?!! I just stopped in to see how it was going. No Pooping on Tony’s Party today! Okay, I gotta finish trimming the yucca trees and planting a few mums. Have fun kids.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I will be nice to the POOPIE HEADS!

          I will be nice to the POOPIE HEADS!

          I will be nice to the POOPIE HEADS!

          I will be nice to the POOPIE HEADS!

          I will be nice to the POOPIE HEADS!

          I will be nice to the POOPIE HEADS!

          Until I decide not to be nice!
          hehehe

          • Eclipse-girl

            They are POOPIE HEADS. They came into the bunker and started acting in a bad manner. Who else is going to teach them how to behave?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Exactly!. And I called the Nurse Rached Hat here in the bunker long ago…

            • Missionary Kid

              Geez, Bury, you’d never have someone get a lobotomy, would you?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I would be the bitch who would happily stick the icepick deep into your frontal lobe MK…

              Just sayin………………………..

            • Missionary Kid

              Remind me not to piss you off. 😉
              That’s real clam ethics, huh?

        • Espiando

          This is part of it. It’s drunk pinata time, and Vinay’s the papier-mache jackass.

          • Espiando

            Okay, where’s the down vote coming from? Vinay, or some shit-in-the-streets Hindi that I offended? If the latter, you can take baths in water that doesn’t come from the Ganges, you know. Try it sometime. And brush your fucking teeth.

    • stillgrace

      Please go away.

    • Espiando

      To me it is.

      Go back to your country and try to convince seven hundred million people that shitting anywhere they want is counter-productive to creating a healthy society. Bitch.

    • Jo

      You sound like that kid from movie A.I.

    • Alanzo

      Hey – Vinaire is a friend of mine.

      Yes, he is a self-promoting, blog-hopping poophead sometimes.

      But I’m an attention-seeking blogwhore, who, per Mike Rinder’s latest positioning statement on me “… has been around forever and likes to make provocative comments on blogs. He has been banned from a number of them. .

      So let those with no Internet sin caste the first stone! (:>

      Alanzo

      • Eclipse-girl

        You have back. You have to let everyone hug you and pinch your cheek

      • SLIM

        I actually read that as…
        Rinderpest giving you some props…When I originally saw it…
        I think the veils on Mike are SLOWLY dropping…
        But what do I know..

        • Alanzo

          It’s not just anyone who has been given a positioning statement by Mike Rinder.

          That’s why I promote it widely to seek attention and cause upset where ever I go.

          Alanzo

          • SLIM

            Well then…
            Please DO NOT stop seeking attention…
            Cause I smile every time I see one of you’re many posts..

          • Jo

            You remind me of one off my brothers, not sure why.

        • richelieu jr

          Where can we see this Rinder ripping?

          • SLIM

            On his web site…..

            It was a few days ago…

            http://www.mikerindersblog.org
            Maybe a week….

            • richelieu jr

              Thanks, SLIM!

            • SLIM

              Moi pleasure!

            • richelieu jr

              Oops! Which post? I can’t wade thru them all!
              xo,

            • richelieu jr

              Oops! Which post? I can’t wade thru them all!

            • SLIM

              Now you’ve gone and done it….

              Just searched for last [seemed forever]…

              BUT…I found it…

              http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-is-shrinking/

            • richelieu jr

              THANK YOOOOOU!

      • Espiando

        I have no sin, so I can cast stones whenever I want, Alan. That’s the benefit of being at Cause Over Everything. I know that’s true, ’cause Marty said I was.

        The thing is, you piss people off who deserve to be pissed off. And the way you piss them off is by…cough, gasp…pointing out the truth. You rock boats over at Marty’s because most of the people there have done a wonderful impression of Ouroboros using their heads and anuses, and they’re never getting said cranium out. The ones over at Mike’s have achieved a little dilation, but a lot of the same woo-woos like Oracle have migrated over there since Marty because too intellectually challenging for them. In other words, you enturbulate for a good cause.

        We’re your real peer group, Alan, not them. Stick around here and join in the fun.

        • Alanzo

          I do feel more at home here. But Vinaire’s like spiritual brother to me. Where others become annoyed, I can’t help but understand him.

          Alanzo

          • Espiando

            Alan, do you know my posting history here? I’m a bigger provocateur than you are or Vinay is.

            The first time I went after our OTO troll, I did it by referencing that she was a sow with glasses. That pissed off about a dozen different people here when I wouldn’t stop referring to her lack of looks and excess of adipose tissue.

            I’ve gone pretentious-intellectual any number of times, including earlier today.

            I routinely downvote media_lush when she interrupts a thread in an article not about celebutards with more 140-character-limit dysentery from the fat fingers of Thar She Blows Alley.

            I’ve got into knock-down-drag-outs with any number of people here, including BTN, stillgrace, and Robert.

            Yet I’m still here, and, for some unknown reason, a lot of people like me. You know why? I’ve made it known that I can join in the fun, and contribute on-topic observations. I don’t come across as better than everyone else like Vinay or some other Indies I can name. I’ve also done my soul-searching on any number of existential subjects, including my sexuality, but I don’t blather on about it or make it the sole focus of my posts. If I did, I’m sure that everyone here would treat me with forebearance and patience at first, then lay the hammer down when the hammer was needed.

            You know what Vinay needs to do? Stay on topic and Focus On The Mission, not give indirect blowjobs to Hubbard as a fellow “seeker of the truth”. He needs to do what I did last week:

            Alan, I went full old-school troll and goatse’d this blog. And I did it alongside an inspirational message for Sea Org members. That, in a nutshell, is what this blog is about.

            • stillgrace

              You’re exaggerating again, dear. vis a vis “knock down drag-outs”.

            • Espiando

              You did go ALL-CAPS on me at one point. For this blog, that’s knock-down-drag-out.

            • stillgrace

              All-CAPS? Me? How many words? I be going back through my history to find that.
              I sometimes capitalize one word for emphasis. But I hate “ALL-CAPS” and will have to see it to believe it.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              she wins E. i got the mems!!!

            • Robert Eckert

              Oh yeah. I went all self-appointed cop on him.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              i remember grace and E…the beginning…..uh huh

            • stillgrace

              Did you ever see me go ALL CAPS? I stood up for Bunkerites he was bullying, that’s all.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              look down…

            • stillgrace

              Thanks.

            • Espiando

              No, I was talking about the “YOU DON’T SPEAK FOR ME!” screed.

            • stillgrace

              Well, that still stands. When you go all Gonzo on someone, and try to include the bunker, I will always complain. But you don’t do that anymore and I love you for it. And I stick up for you on other sites. But I still double-dog dare you to find a post of mine in all caps.

              I hate all caps. And I love white space. You will never find me typing a whole post in all caps. And you will always find lots of white space; no solid, impenetrable blocks of text for me!

            • Espiando

              And that’s why I like you. When you use the occasional word in ALL-CAPS, it means something. And I definitely appreciate good paragraph formatting.

            • phronsie

              Hmmm…you make me think; I never use a few words when I can use many; mostly because I have to hammer all around a point before I can hit it, even if I try to think it through before posting. And that breaking up a post with space; hmmm…that sounds like a good idea. Except when I’m posting from my phone — man, is that frustrating!!

            • phronsie

              You do make me raise an eyebrow at you at times, but then I find myself “up-arrowing” you; you can be an offensive bastard, but then I find myself “up-arrowing” you again. You seem to come close to or fully needing a smack at times, but then you make me smirk. Actually, I think you should make me ashamed of myself! lol

            • Nevermore

              Admit it, you enjoy the occasional spanking!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I am Mad at you Alanzo…You could have helped earlier!!!!

            • Alanzo

              I don’t understand.

          • Zer0

            Use Occam’s razor. Vinaire’s philosophy is far too Hubbard-like. Not enough economy.

      • Robert Eckert

        “Yes, he is a self-promoting, blog-hopping poophead sometimes” Well you see, Alanzo, here that is what he is always. If you say you have seen something else from him, we believe you; but we haven’t seen anything like that on the Bunker, and in particular on a celebratory day when we would rather have Alanzos and Midwest Moms dropping back in, we aren’t in the mood for crashers like him or Jessica.

        • Alanzo

          I understand.

          I have been an inner member of wolf-pack flesh-rippings, and been the subject of them, too.

          So, just trying to cause trouble, that’s all.

          Alanzo

          • stillgrace

            Hey Alanzo! Love you back in the bunker! Vinay is too self-righteous and holier-than-thou for me, but to each his own.

      • Jo

        I wasn’t throwing stones, just felt like I was answering a questionnaire.

        • Alanzo

          I think his question was one that any self-promoting demagogue might ask in order to stir the pot and get the locals going.

          When I first met Vinaire, I found him being ripped apart by a pack of Vedic bloggers over on Hindu.net, trying to turn them into Scientologists. This was more than 13 years ago. He deserved everything he got, of course, but it’s not like he created any of that unintentionally.

          He knows exactly what he is doing. And he is doing it on purpose.

          A part of me admires this.

          Alanzo

          • Jo

            It’s not a zoo here, prob a better way to find answers too his many questions. Didn’t pick a great night to start interagating people, he’s not that clever.

          • Missionary Kid

            Thanks, that gives me a more complete take on him.

          • Zer0

            No shit! If that isn’t the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long time! As in funny strange.

            So he really DOES know what he’s doing. Then I suppose he doesn’t deserve my sympathy anymore. Grrrrr….

      • Vinay Agarwala

        My saving grace is my autism. 🙂

        I don’t feel emotional. I find others to be too emotional.

        .

        • WhereIsSHE

          WOW. And all this time I was sure you were touting mindfulness as a solution to emotional problems.
          Turns out… you’re just autistic?
          CHEATER;p

          • Vinay Agarwala

            What is the difference? ;p

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              The difference is in how we relate to you man!!!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              CHEATING VINAY!!

            • Vinay Agarwala

              I think autism has its advantages. You can just follow what you like without feeling distracted.

            • Zer0

              You can just be an ass, and not care. Good for trolling, that’s for sure!

            • Vinay Agarwala

              All my life people have been frowning at me. For me that is part of observation to analyze.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              PHONEY alert!

            • Zer0

              Sympathy card, thrown twice

            • Robert Eckert
        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Vinay? really? are you autistic/aspergers?
          Shit man…Cool. I have two people who are EXTREMELY close to me who are also on the spectrum.
          This makes a HUGE difference.
          But you need to make that shit apparent!

          • Vinay Agarwala

            I have an autistic cat too!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I had one too. but the bitch died.
              I understand you more if you are being honest about this Vinay?
              If you are fucking with us…i will eat the placenta of your pretend beingness.?
              You got me?

            • stillgrace

              I don’t believe him or trust him for a second!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              yep Grace….I am with you.Like I said. i have two close friends on the spectrum….and Vinay just doesnt FEEL quite right

            • stillgrace

              Nope! I agree. Lots of asperger’s in the engineering world. Crazy but brilliant. This ain’t it.
              Signing off! Love ya!

            • Jo

              He’s a phoney, for sure.

            • aquaclara

              Alonzo spoke up for him. Added that he suffered a huge amount of abuse while in the cult. Maybe we keep this in mind?

            • Vinay Agarwala

              That’s what my wife tells me. And also my children. I think they all are normal and they frown at me quite a lot.

        • Zer0

          Maybe that’s why you are shilling for Hubbard, despite all the families his crap philosophy has destroyed?

          • Vinay Agarwala

            I am not.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              BULL SHIT!!!!

            • Vinay Agarwala

              I am just being honest with my observations. There is never anything that is just black and white. I see both sides.

            • Zer0

              Perhaps you just stumbled upon Hubbard, and because of your psychology, you are obligated to obsess over LRH and make a square peg fit in to a round hole. That’s fine, but you are spinning your wheels here.

            • phronsie

              Or have such an open mind your brains fall out.

      • Zer0

        Funny:) Nice to have you back!

        • Alanzo

          Thanks, Zer0

      • aquaclara

        Hey,Alonzo, You missed our comments here when that came out, all in support of you. We’ve missed you….

        Thanks.

        • Alanzo

          I did miss that.

          Alanzo

          • aquaclara

            Not hard to lose track among the billions of comments here lately. In sum: people surprised by the comments on Rinderblog, missing you here, hoping you are good.

            • Alanzo

              The thought that I would be missed, and there are people hoping I would be doing well somewhere on the Internet has had quite an effect on me. I woke up thinking about it this morning.

              You are continually reminded in Scientology of how unimportant you are. This is a running make-wrong of anyone in a higher position than you when you are a Scientologist. The artificial culture of Scientology itself reinforces this kind of thinking, as well.

              Even auditors and C/Ses don’t care about what you think about your own case. What you think should never be taken up in your auditing sessions, because you are obviously just spewing your bank and are not capable of accurate thought about your own case and who you actually are.

              I can remember an OSA Executive, who had specifically flown out from LA to the cornfields to personally deliver a message to me, standing in my living room and telling me how unimportant I was, as he was handing me the message that he had flown out to personally deliver to me.

              Whenever I would fall into the mistaken belief that Marty and Mike would fill in missing gaps for the critics that they have harmed in the past, I noticed that they would continually remind me that I was never important enough for them to actually try to harm me or my family – and that would be it. Even though I did have OSA Ops run on me and my family by the Organization they ran, I was never important enough to have Ops run on me by them. And that was their sole message to me. Never an apology for what their organization did to me or any new information, only that I was too unimportant for them to even know who I was, let alone for them to try to trick, lie to, or destroy me.

              So thank you, Bunkerites.

              It’s the humanity that human beings can generate that helps to heal a cult member.

              Vinaire was on the ship in the Sea Org with Hubbard and endured a huge amount of cruelty and abuse for which I have very rarely even seen him admit to, let alone complain about. He is a nuclear engineer by trade, with a degree from MIT.

              I hate seeing wolf-pack flesh-rippings and bannings on former cult members, even though they may have ignited them themselves. People who have been cast out tend to unconsciously test the patience of anyone who would cast them out again – just to steel themselves for the time when they will be cast out again.

              I seem luckier here than Vinaire is. People seem to care about me here.

              Thank you very much for making me feel welcome and important here.

              I’ll try not to make the mistakes that Vinaire has made so you’ll still make me feel important and welcome.

              Alanzo

            • DeElizabethan

              I really do understand what you’re saying, as I have felt the same way at times. Remember you come across with caring about people and not all ex’s do.

            • aquaclara

              What an incredible post. Can I copy it to today’s so people will see it? There is so much here. I will add some thoughts now, for you.

              First, you are VERY WELCOME here. You were here before me, and have contributed far more than I ever will. (When I dove back in last year and found the VV, I spent a lot of time enjoying the articles and comments, getting caught up). But more important, it’s not just me saying this. You are very much missed. And so, glad you’re back.

              Tony gives us lots of room here, and hopefully, for the most part, people are kind and supportive. We have a lot of hurt ducks in this pond, and many are still healing. Hopefully, we all learn and help more than anything else.

              I was appalled by the response to your very well said notes on the other blog. I couldn’t get the bluntness and apparent rudeness of their responses out of my head for a while. How could people be so mean, I thought? And then, of course, going back and seeing that you had written a gracious, lovely, more than generous answer in reply to the “Who are you” that had been served up. It is a huge reminder that we don’t know how damaged people are from their experiences in the cult. Every day, we see this. And what we say matters. Your experiences matter, and you are important. Damn cult.

              I think Marty and Mike are doing a great deal of good by being out, taking care of their families, often in challenging circumstances. It’s good now. I know there are a lot of expectations on them, probably rightfully so, but as a never-in, it’s easier for me than for others who have lived through it. The bannings and flesh-rippings, here or anywhere, aren’t good. I saw yesterday’s comments back on Vinaire, and since I couldn’t understand his comments, I just left them be. But there are some troll-spotters out there, and probably overzealousness that occurs.

              Keep calling people on it – . It is all too easy for us to forget, even for a moment, that there are many people who are hurt by this cult in far too many ways.

            • richelieu jr

              I missed you, even went by your site to see what was up. You do exist.

              J’ai un site donc j’existe: Le bunker se rend compte quand je manque à l’appel donc j’existe,
              Pascal

            • ThetaBara

              I’m a bit late chiming in here, but I too have missed your thoughtful posts.

      • Zer0

        “But I’m an attention-seeking blogwhore, who, per Mike Rinder’s latest positioning statement on me “… has been around forever and likes to make provocative comments on blogs. He has been banned from a number of them. .”

        Yeah, we were talking about your post here on the day you posted it.

  • WhereIsSHE

    CONGRATULATIONS/HAPPY BIRTHDAY, UNDERGROUND BUNKER!!!!!!!!!
    Sent you something to honor the occasion in hopes that you a) get shit-faced tonight, and then b) get your bad selves some delicious raw, anti-oxidant-rich vegan smoothies tomorrow to pump your bodies full of all the essential micronutrients you will need to bring us the Sunday funnies –and the “humdingers” we are all awaiting with bated breath!!!
    Thank you, Tony! Thank you, Scott! Thank you, fellow Bunkerites!!!!
    xoxo
    WIS

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      And thank you WIS…for all of your vegan smoothie, wine loving legal commentary. Which I appreciate in more ways than I can say.
      You are one rocking legal eagle girl!

      • WhereIsSHE

        ;****** smoooooooooch to you, Bury=)
        Your awesome sense of humor is one of the reasons I got HOOKED on reading the comments section in the first place=)

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          You poor thing…snorts.

          • WhereIsSHE

            See?!!!!!!!! haaaaaaa!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Ok, now you made me laugh at myself.
              And I am funny.
              Not funny HAHA.
              Funny weird…but you know…….hehehe

            • WhereIsSHE

              QUIT IT! I just snorted up some very expensive wine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ha!!!!!!!!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              If you are gonna snort wine…. the good shit is much better than this crappy Sutter Home that I am drinking.
              Snort away.

              Edit: Vodka to Wine?
              EEEEeeewWWWHHHHHH!

            • WhereIsSHE

              CURSES!
              You are bringing back a slew of memories of WORST-EVER-Sutter Home White Zinfandel-HANGOVERS from the ’80s=(!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              See there, some of us want to grow up………….but we are so damn cheap we can’t make ourselves comply!!!

              Edit: and BTW, they have a nice cheap pink moscato…(not too nice)…but not exactly paint thinner either.

            • Eclipse-girl

              do you still shop for furniture at IKEA?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Sighs,,,,yes.

              Edit: But I am REALLY Cheap…OK????

            • Eclipse-girl

              My (21 yr old) daughter makes me take her down to Shaumburg ILL (Chicagoland) to set up (EACH) new place. We lucked out this year as my car was in the shop over the weekend and they gave me a SUV loaner so we could take those LONG flat packs back to Madison.

              Ikea looks good, it just is not very durable. If You aren’t going it is fine. I haven’t moved in 20 yrs. I DREAD moving.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Moving is not an Option. I told Mr. Nuts (when he decided we needed to move to Uruguay)….that NO, it is not happening.

              I no longer have enough friends that are stupid enough to be bribed by beer and BBQ.
              I am stuck here ( in this house) till I drop the meat sack.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Uruguay, what was there that attracted the Mr Nuts?

              Mr Eclipse wants to go to Honduras (Roatan).

            • Espiando

              These days, there’s gay marriage and the promise of legal pot. But my Spanish sucks, so my target’s become Seattle. With the amount of coffee I drink, I’ll fit in fine.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Honduras (supposedly) has really good coffee.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              But the fuckin RAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • An Theta

              It’s true. That part sucks. But that’s why they made the good things legal, I think. So there would be something NOT to be depressed about.

            • An Theta

              Or you might consider a nearby city with all the same perks, but none of the Orgs:)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Google uruguay architecture.
              that is the answer.

            • Eclipse-girl

              We had to visit Barcelona to see Gaudi. I am not complaining. Got us up to Figueres to see the first Dali Museum.

              Some of that stuff if very nice looking. Is Mr Nuts a designer or an architect?

              Mr Eclipse thought about doing architecture but really enjoyed coding. He designs, just in a different way. And we have a basement full of cool tools so he can build things.

            • Zer0

              Uruguay! My next trip!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              it may be our next one…well, after scotland

            • Espiando

              You’re restimulating a lot of engrams regarding the Northwest Tollway and the Eisenhower by mentioning the Ikea in Schaumburg. Passed it hundreds of times, never been in.

            • Eclipse-girl

              MAN oh Man. Do not talk to me about the GD tollway . From Rockford to Elgin, CONSTRUCTION. 2 lanes only. it happen each way.

              I do not have a problem with state wanting the money, but I really like tickets more. Living in Wis, there is usually no need for an i – pass / EZ – pass

            • Espiando

              As a former resident of Rockford who commuted into the city a lot, I know. Oh, believe me, I know. When I lived out of state and went back to Chicago, I purposely avoided the tollways, because there was no way in fuck Illinois was getting any more of my money than they already got when I was here.

            • Eclipse-girl

              You have my sympathies living in Rockford.
              You also have my sympathies having to do stupid commute.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Forgive me for stereotyping, but aren’t your people supposed to shop at Ikea? Always looks when I go in there. Who am I kidding, I love to stereotype.

            • Espiando

              Just the opposite, actually. “My people” are stereotypically the ones with taste. Ikea shoppers are…well, the opposite.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Ha! Well, the boys here in Central Florida must be getting all their taste from the Mouse House they work for because they fill that place up every weekend.

            • Espiando

              Florida. Plus Disney. No more needs to be said.

            • Ruby

              Frugal. It sounds better. 🙂

            • Eclipse-girl

              I drink my share of white wine too. But Sutter Home??? ICK ICK ICK

            • stillgrace

              I’m drinking Beringer White Zinfadel right now. I know … I know. I let my friends choose the wine at restaurants.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Thank you Grace… I feel vindicated.
              I love you three times!!

              Edit: and that has a screw cap?
              which, by the way ..is a MUCH better preservative than Natural cork!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • stillgrace

              Right back atcha! Going now to pour myself another glass.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Ditto. lets get runk!

            • stillgrace

              Yeah! I love parties!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              me too… even though it is hard to get shit faced virtually. Although it does seem I have been able to pull it off a few times 😉

            • stillgrace

              Here’s a drunken confession. My ex owns one of the big wineries in CA.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              How cool. Can I at least have geographic area?
              napa
              foothills
              valley
              sonoma
              monterey?

            • stillgrace

              near napa … over the hill from.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              OTay!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              eagles fly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • stillgrace

              … and fish swim?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              You betcha 🙂

            • Jo

              Would have queued up too, in all weathers.

            • Ruby

              oh! where? I do some business with a winery near me.
              OOPS….just saw your answer to Bury below…not my neighborhood.

            • Eclipse-girl

              But we have fun trying

            • Eclipse-girl

              My rudely filled glass was filled about 5 mins ago. it will be my last for the night.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Ok. , nighty nite…lightweight!!! 😉

            • Eclipse-girl

              I have a football game to watch. I have had two martinis and a glass of wine before the rude glass

            • stillgrace

              Who is playing? College?

            • Eclipse-girl

              Wis Vs Ohio St at Ohio

            • stillgrace

              Actually, this came with a cork. At least it’s not in a box!

            • Eclipse-girl

              There are some really good wines that have a screw cap.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Agree!!!!

            • Espiando

              St. Julian in Michigan has a wonderful full lineup of wines, all of which come with screw caps. Highly recommended.

              Disclosure: Espi-uncle has a small farm near the winery which sells grapes to St. Julian, and he gets a grower’s discount my entire family takes advantage of.

            • Eclipse-girl

              what kind of grape can they grow in Michigan?

            • Espiando

              Apparently the soil and weather conditions in southwest Michigan produce a pretty good class of grape of various varieties. Good enough that Welch’s has a pretty big factory there to use the local crop in non-alcoholic capacities.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Bitch!!! give me your address.I am so sleeping in the spare room and we are going to see the family!

            • Espiando

              You can find me at:
              560 South Clark Street
              Chicago, Illinois

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Saves!

            • Espiando

              (You do realize I gave you the address of the derelict, purchased-nearly-a-decade-ago-and-never-opened Idle Morgue, right?)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Doesn’t matter…Is is there a place to sleep?

            • Eclipse-girl

              You have to bash down the plywood that is shuttering the doors and the windows.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Snort!

            • Eclipse-girl

              LOL. I did not not realize that. can I assume you are within 100 miles of the stated address?

            • Espiando

              Me and about ten million other people. Literally.

            • WhereIsSHE

              You and about ten million other people who are all smart enough to have avoided the “allure” of the Idle Morgue=)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Pokes U. You need to give me your address so we can go REALLY party
              BuryTheNuts@gmail.com.
              I am leaf peeping in a couple of weeks. headed yer way. we need to have a drink!

            • Eclipse-girl

              If it ever happens, We will try and make sure you hear of it.

            • Eclipse-girl

              IF and it is a BIG IF, we ever have a midwestern SP party, It should be done in Chicago.

              Aslansown lives there too. It is central to all.

            • stillgrace

              I love Chicago. I love a city that sets off fireworks twice a week off the Navy Pier in the summer!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I love the Navy Pier too!

            • stillgrace

              Absolutely. I love the Field Museum and the Museum of Science and Industry, too. Hey, I’m a geek, what can I say?

            • Casabeca

              I love Sue at the Field!

            • Jon Hendry

              I used to live at 525 S. Dearborn and later in the building just south of that. Used to love being right there for the book fair.

            • Guest

              Thank you!
              signed;
              The Guardian’s Office

            • ThetaBara

              Hey, speak for yourself! I was thinking of sending him a pizza!
              Unfortunately it’s been so long since I set foot in Chicago that I can’t remember what the good place was. And I don’t think Nunzio’s delivers.

            • Jo

              Mines has a screw cap, but it has a wee indent at the bottom. It’s that not the sign of a quality asda bottle reduced to £4, lol

            • Missionary Kid

              From what I’ve read, the screw tops are actually better at preserving wines than corks, which can introduce foreign organisms, so the rate of spoilage is reduced.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Beringer isn’t bad. Speaks the woman who hates paying more than $13.00 for of wine. Beringer is in my price point

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              here is a toast to cheap ass winos!

            • stillgrace

              Mr. Grace picked it out and brought it home for me. $4.99.

            • Espiando

              There is a way to make Sutter Home drinkable. One of my friends in the Army called my little concoction the Hurricane Blow: smooth going down, but hits you afterward:

              One glass white zinfandel or chablis
              One and a half shots dry gin
              One teaspoon Triple Sec

              It’ll make any rancid white worth the trouble.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I figured you more for a Scorned Housewife brand wino.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Bite me L. Wrong!!!!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Where?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              where would U like? LOL

            • Zer0

              How did you change your font color?

        • Eclipse-girl

          WIS< I love your legal prowess and keeping us on track. You are ALWAYS insightful. I am glad that you are her

          BTN, I just wish I capture the snark.

          (((HUGS))) to both of you.

          • WhereIsSHE

            (((((HUGS))) right back at’ ya, E-girl=)
            Love your insight as well=)

            • Eclipse-girl

              Ty, but i do not think I have earned such praise.

        • richelieu jr

          AHEM!

          French wines (and some Californians, Chileans and Australians and ONE Spanish) or GTFO!

          And bottle caps? You must be joking! The interaction with the cork is part of the point, as is some of the air leaking in!

          Forsooth and alackaday! Heathens!

    • aquaclara

      As I am two glasses in, I shall just echo Bury’s fab comments…. Thanks, WIS!

  • Ondine Green

    Something I’ve never seen dealt with anywhere: the origins of “Teegeeack”. No-one seems to have pointed out that, in WW2 era signalling, that would mean the letters “T-G-H”. I wonder what that stood for. “The Great Hubbard?”

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      could very well be.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I just thought the name was created because keys stuck on the typewriter. Your possibility is more likely

  • TendonProblem

    Happy birthday Tony!
    What are your cats names? And dog? what do they think of Hubbard?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      That is classified information!
      Who are you? what are your crimes.

      Welcome…………
      Maybe….

      • Eclipse-girl

        I was thinking of the JE question. BUT that really is is such bad taste…..

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          EG? I am so drunk I am lost?
          JE?
          I know this is gonna be embarrassing……

          • Eclipse-girl

            “Do you rape —-” maybe (and considering the amount of alcohol) i have the story wrong.

            Now that you make think, she and brohdi accuse the person in a tee shirt of such crimes.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,
              JE= Jenna Elfman.
              got ya. i was confused. Now I got ya.

            • Espiando

              The only celebutards that should be referred to by initials around here (when they must be referred to at all) should be TC and JT (and KP when in conjunction with JT). The rest of them are inconsequential and should be ridiculed with pertinent nicknames like Baby Raper and Thar She Blows.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              YAh!!!. That is why I was confused!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I shall try and remember that rule. I just hate typing because of my mistakes. It takes me several edits to get the comment right.

            • WhereIsSHE

              M****erF***er! THAR goes the rest of my wine!!
              “Thar She Blows”!!!!!!!!!!!! aaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              You drunk ass WIS. HUGS!!!

            • Eclipse-girl

              You always need to be prepared and have spare alcohol for those comments that make you spit

              I learned that from scouting

            • Missionary Kid

              Believe it or not, but I didn’t have the last two nicknames collected. I think I’d seen them, but I didn’t collect them. Thanks.

    • Espiando

      Ever since the judge’s dog incident and Mudkips, we don’t give out that kind of information on blogs that we know the Scilons read. They really do kill pets. And we like Tony’s pets.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Hey: You posted this many months ago:

      I don’t mind Jesus, but I don’t like his dad.

      So you get bonus points from me.
      DONT FUCK IT UP BUCKO!

      • Zer0

        Good memory, jeesh!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I warned you Z!!!

  • Eddie Wilson

    I have never been a member of COS. I am just a normal guy with a normal family in Nashville. However I have read this blog every day for the last year. I feel like I know the regulars here and thanks for allowing me to be a part of this family. I read every word Tony posts and most of your comments. Thanks for your passion and diligence. I keep waiting for Tony to come to Nashville so I can treat him to dinner!

    • SLIM

      Welcome Eddie…
      Take off you’re shoes and start posting..

    • Eddie Wilson

      Maybe I should come up with a fake name?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        too late?

      • Espiando

        You mean Eddie Wilson isn’t fake?

      • Eclipse-girl

        No. I didn’t use my real name because I use EG everywhere. Long story, not to be told now.

        • aquaclara

          We are a patient bunch, and ready with hugs, tissues, bad jokes, and either sympathy or bad language-whichever makes you feel better.

      • Zer0

        Not a bad idea, if you post regularly – some of the big fish have thousands of posts. For a rare post here and there, probably doesn’t matter.

      • 3feetback-of-COS

        I’m thinking “Eddie Haskell” ala Leave it to Beaver….

        • Ruby

          I thought of that too!! (before I saw your post…something about “Eddie”…I always think that! I must be dating myself….

      • Ruby

        Any relation to Willy B.?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      If I come to Nashville…will i get dinner?
      i will spend several hundred dollars in gas to get a free meal from a stranger with a similar obsession?

      🙂

      • WhereIsSHE

        you too easy, gurrrrrrrrrrrrrl;p

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          don’t make me come to ur house!!!!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          But she brings excellent clams, or mussels or oysters, so we usually wind up letting her in .. if she remembers the sauce and crackers too. We’re picky.

      • Ruby

        The West Coast welcomes you anytime! …with free overnight lodging to go with that meal!

    • Rita Gregory

      Welcome Eddie!

    • Eclipse-girl

      Welcome. As you know we make room for all. The snacks are on a table in the back. Grab a glass of champagne. I do not know how long that will last.

      • NOLAGirl

        I brought more drinks, we’re set for the birthday festivities. 🙂

        • Eclipse-girl

          TYVM. have a seat on the couch

        • DamOTclese2

          Funny, I’m getting my popcorn maker off the shelf, there’s over 1000 comments to read. 🙂

          • Eclipse-girl

            Please put plenty of butter on it.

            • DamOTclese2

              Well, I’m a vegan so I’ll have to get out the other tupperware containers. 🙂

    • Zer0

      Nice to have you here, Eddie!

    • aquaclara

      Love having you here, Eddie! Keep commenting, ok? We have lots of room….
      And Nashville is a fun place, so chime in with BBQ tips, too. Anytime.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Hmmm, normal guy, eh? Not so fast. We love sauce here. If you bring sauce, you’ll be extra welcomed here.

    • Ruby

      hmmm…you as a “never in”, being here and saying all those wonderful things you said about everyone here…that’s not normal…that’s what I call …very cool! 🙂 Thanks Eddie! 🙂

    • Poison Ivy

      Nice to meet you Eddie!

    • tetloj

      Welcome Tony! If you ever run into Nicole you’ll have a lot to share. From a normal Australian gal with a normal family, nowhere near a Scientology location.

  • Victor Smith

    Happy Birthday, Bunker, and many happy returns. Tony, you have to promise to stick around for the post-COS era, may it come soon. There will be as many stories to be concluded during that autopsy as there were after that other dictator was incinerated in his Berlin bunker back in 1945.

    And congrats again to Jon Atack for exposing some of the bloody stones in the foundation of Hubbard’s gothic cathedral. I wonder what I would have done had I, a 20-year old virgin just released from the Catholic seminary and in the city to study Communication Arts under Marshall McLuhan, walked into the New York Org in 1968 and been told that Scientology was a knock-off of the work of the “evilest man in the world,” the Great Beast 666 Hisself? Mama mia!

    Turns out, ironically, that 666 was not half as bad as the “lout” who ripped him (and Jack Parsons) off. I’ve read enough Crowley over the years to get that I’ll never understand him; even got through a pass of Moonchild without too many periods of unconsciousness (I know, I didn’t look up all the misunderstood words, and I ain’t about to). For those interested— and being somewhat acquainted with Crowley’s stuff seems important to those heavily indoctrinated in the cult, trained auditors for instance— Richard Kaczynski’s Perdurabo: the Life of Aleister Crowley (2012 Revised version) is a well-written and balanced biography, neither demonizing or deifying this odd character upon which, in my opinion, Hubbard tried to model himself.

    A last point, in addition to acknowledging Jon’s work that has saved us fellow seekers years of our lives, is to note how the greater and lesser egomaniacs of history have always sought to make themselves Source of all knowledge, trampling on the efforts of all who came before or appropriating earlier valid developments to themselves. We should have seen that ego was in play when Hubbard restarted the calendar, making AD no longer Anno Domino but After Dianetics. The totalitarian mindset led the Christian Roman Emperor Justinian to close down the classical Academy of Athens, caused the Library of Alexandria to be burned, on and on to Hitler and Stalin—with the human race condemned after each purge to dig themselves out again from the mud of ignorance. This, in my opinion, would have been the our fate on Hubbard’s “clear planet” were it not for the efforts of so many unsung heroes like Jon, Gerry Armstrong and Tony O, of course. I feel so strongly about this that I pushed the “Donate” button; don’t want the crew to run out of brew.

    • Jo

      Love your post.

      • Bob Gravlin

        And when COS loses it’s punch there will be much work to do to help persons who have been harmed by this cult.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Pray for them Bob.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            off subject, but according to Mikee, Friday night graduation was Cancelled, again, at the last minute (well, 3 pm Friday word went out). This was after all week all were told attendance was Mandatory this past Friday. Reason given: Basically, Dave’s busy.

            The plot thickens. mwah haha

            • Robert Eckert

              Do you think Davey finally slipped out the back?

            • Missionary Kid

              Nah, the punk’s hunkered down in his own bunker.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Is that why the Co$ is digging a hole in CW?

            • Missionary Kid

              Maybe, but it needs to be much deeper, to below the level of the water table, so he has to tread water.

            • WhereIsSHE

              The TOP songs playing on repeat in his bunker:

              The National-Afraid of Everyone
              Garbage-I Think I’m Paranoid
              Rockwell-Somebody’s Watching Me
              Barry Andrews-Win a Night Out With a Paranoiac
              The Kinks- Paranoia, the Destroyer
              Art of Noise (feat. Max Headroom)-Paranoimia
              Harvey Danger-FLAGpole Sitta
              James-Out to Get You
              Black Sabbath- Paranoid
              Radiohead- Paranoid Android (put into the mix by a cool SPy)
              Suicidal Tendencies-Institutionalized (also put into the mix by that same cool SPy)
              Minutemen-Paranoid Time (the cool SPy is on a roll!)
              Beck-Mutherfuker (“EVERYONE’S OUT TO GET YOU, MOTHERFUCKER”)

            • Eclipse-girl

              I would add THe Clash – Should I stay or Should I go

            • WhereIsSHE

              That cool SPy –who is a big Clash fan–will be more than happy to comply;)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Love that song!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am a BIG clash fan.

              I would offer London Calling or Lost in the Supermarket but they do not quite fit.
              Sandiansta was a great album

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              go straight to hell boy………………

              Mmmm….

            • Eclipse-girl

              good choice

            • WhereIsSHE

              Beck wrote a SPecial Scientology theme song for McMidget!!

              Lyrics to Mutherfuker:

              Yo homey don’t play that game

              Hey mister asshole, what’s your dirty hassle
              Sitting in your castle judging everyone
              You’re acting like it’s chill when the deal’s getting ill
              Why don’t you break your face on my head

              Everyone’s out to get you, motherfucker

              Total paranoia, trying to annoy you
              Everything I do is to try and fuck you up
              Screwdrivers drillin’ and I was such a spasm
              Dropped yourself on the situation, dude

              Everyone’s out to get you, motherfucker

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              U R SO CUTE!

            • WhereIsSHE

              I am rubber
              You are glue
              Everything you say bounces off me
              And sticks to you!

              (YOU are the CUTEY PA-TOOTIE=)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              LOL

            • Eclipse-girl

              If I were a Pa- tootie, i would sure as hell hope I was cute.

            • WhereIsSHE

              lol!

            • sugarplumfairy

              eggggcellent..

            • Espiando

              And when the Macallan kicks in, he gets wistful and starts in with:

              Gravitonas – Religious (just don’t tell him that the video has an Evil Psych)
              Lady Gaga – Bad Romance (Marty, Mike, Debbie…oh, so many…)
              Franz Ferdinand – The Universe Explained (ah, Ron knew so much about it…)
              Imagine Dragons – Radioactive (ah, Ron knew so much about it…)
              Nik Kershaw – Wouldn’t It Be Good (Ungrateful Sea Org bastards!)

              And then he passes out drunk, still holding his copper rods.

            • Eclipse-girl
            • Rita Gregory

              Gotta find the ear buds must hear bad romance NOW!

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Beastie Boys – Sabotage
              Aqua – Barbie Girl

            • Espiando

              Better Aqua track: Playmate To Jesus

            • Robert Eckert
            • Eclipse-girl

              Wasn’t Screaming Jay the source?

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwXai-sgM-s

              The DH and I LOVE CCR, by the way

            • Robert Eckert

              I was going to link that version but thought the CCR version more likely to be the earworm in people’s head:

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwXai-sgM-s

            • Nevermore

              I like Bette Midler’s version in ‘Hocus Pocus’!

            • sugarplumfairy

              Screamin Jay’s will always be the standard by which all others are judged..

            • richelieu jr

              Wonderful in ‘Stranger than Paradise”.

            • Poison Ivy

              F-ing great playlist, WIS! Perfect for dancing on the BUNKER’S BIRTHDAY!

            • Missionary Kid

              Dildo Dave has the self-destructive combination of hubris, lack of education, experience outside the cult, lack of realistic feedback, a need to dominate, belittle, and control people, and paranoia.

              Feed the paranoia, and he’ll collapse quicker. There is a danger that he will choose to take out his anger on those around him because he seems to accept no responsibility for his own footbullets.

            • Missionary Kid

              Feed the paranoia, and those songs will help.

            • EnthralledObserver

              There isn’t a lot left to think, is there?
              I mean, 13 lawyers have got the other thing covered… oh, wait…

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              No idea. I can’t imagine he wouldn’t be around to sop up every drop of glory for a magical mystery tour of historic signifcance, but the question lingers as to when. But I also have no seen or heard of any confirmation that he is still in town either. Everyone is on radio silenc.e

            • WhereIsSHE

              He must be in enturbulation overdrive from the 3 Ls:
              LEGAL, LEAH and LEAKS.

              (Sing this to the tune of “For He’s a Jolly Good Fellow:)

              For Dave’s in enturbulation
              For Dave’s in enturbulation
              For Dave’s in enturbulationnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
              From Legal, Leah and Leaks.

              From Legal, Leah and Leaks!
              From Legal, Leah and Leaks!

              For Dave’s in enturbulationnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
              From Legal, Leah and Leaks!!

            • tetloj

              ok…I’ve been sitting on this for a while to time to bring it out

              (London Bridge)

              Ronnie’s bridge is falling down
              Falling down, falling down
              Ronnie’s bridge is falling down
              My poor Davey!

            • aquaclara

              Great update, as always, Hole! I do wonder if Davey knows that there are far more here in our party tent than in his?
              Probably not.

  • Elen

    Thank you so much for your impeccable reporting. I lurked here (and at the VV) but you got me with the live blogging from Texas. I mentioned before that my first post was “Refresh!”

    Danke, merci and gracias! Oh! And Happy anniversary!

  • WhereIsSHE

    I totally forgot to add this: Jon Atack is my all time walking-encyclopedia HERO.
    Is there any Hubbard subject, no matter how big or small, this man has not given deep thought to and then read about, and read some more, and researched thoroughly???
    Jesus Christ, Jon. You have a SERIOUS mind, and I mean that as the highest compliment.
    Thank you for shedding light every week.
    It is never less than fascinating.

  • DeElizabethan

    Oh and a “Happy Anniversary” to you Tony and the Underground Bunker. Kudos to you for hanging in there when things were tight and for Scott helping. You’ve brought us the greatest blog and with one of the highest ratings. Your followers really have increased and love what you bring daily or more.
    What a team you have produced in one year! There are more peoples being educated about Scientology, it’s abuses and lies at lightening speed. I think of it as SP powers. That could stand for Smart People or Special, immaterial, as we will see justice served, since truth is more powerful than lies.

    • Zer0

      I always like your posts, DeElizabethan!

      • DeElizabethan

        Thanks, ZerO!

  • DeElizabethan

    The Philadelphia doctorate course was a good eye opener for me. Wish I had read it long ago as a scio many years earlier, when I had doubts. Well who knows. It did help me see him in a different light. Better late than never I guess.

  • NOLAGirl

    It’s wonderful to see on the one year birthday of the Bunker that so many more people, including myself, are logging in and posting. The support & honest (and sometimes hilarious) discussion here reminds me daily that there are, and will continue to be kind and generous people in this world.

    It’s just past 8 pm in NOLA and definitely time to raise a drink to Tony and you wonderful Bunkerites!!

    Cheers!!!

    • Eclipse-girl

      SOme of us have been raising our glasses for hours.

      • NOLAGirl

        I know, I’m late…but better late than never. 🙂 *raises a second glass*

        Hope you’re having a great night EG!! 🙂

        • Eclipse-girl

          I am. This is a great place to lurk during the evening.

          • Ruby

            I know! I love to grab a cocktail (my fancy word for beer) and enjoy the company! 🙂

      • DamOTclese2

        🙂 Darn it, everyone is way ahead of us Bunkerites out here on the Left Coast. It’s coming up on 7:00 p.m., I need to get busy if I’m going to every catch up. Um, I think I have a bottle of tequila somewhere, but it’s probably expired. I think I drink an adult beverage maybe once every 5, 6 years. 🙂

        • Ruby

          You missed the memo…we started at 1PM EST…4 our time, I am West/Left with you. 🙂 Cheers!

          • Eclipse-girl

            That was toast time, so that everyone could say they waited til the afternoon.

            Dam, if you don’t drink don’t worry. But I will be editing all of my posts at least 3 times to make it right.

            • Ruby

              I know 4pm was for waiting for afternoon…yet it was 1 for me….and I was more than happy to oblige! :)) I raised a glass with all my wonderful friends here. And ya know…I truly do feel I have many friends here. 🙂

        • aquaclara

          Does tequila expire? Really?
          🙂
          PS Don’t worry. We’ll wait for you to catch up! *tipping my glass in celebration*

          • Robert Eckert

            “Does tequila expire?” You can tell because the worm dies.

            • EnthralledObserver

              What if there is a version with no worm? I mean, I know we shouldn’t be imbibing in cheap liquor, but hey, not all of us have Makemerich’s coffers.
              P.S… I met my hubby over tequila… sweet Xenu, work the next day was horrendous!!!

      • WhereIsSHE

        WORD;)

        • Ruby

          ? what does that mean?

          • Eclipse-girl

            She agrees with the above statement..?

            • Ruby

              Thanks! And in that case…WORD. :))

            • WhereIsSHE

              You got it, E-g.

          • WhereIsSHE

            Per the Urban Dictionary (cuz it ain’t in no real-ass dictionary), it means:
            “Well said” or “Said in agreement”.

            You should check out the Urban Dictionary sometime, just for kicks.

            • Eclipse-girl

              but then I would be doing work, and word – sourcing.

              I think it is OK to learn from context. We may not get all 20+ definitions , but I enjoy reading without having a dictionary at hand.

            • WhereIsSHE

              Yeah, but the contextual examples they provide in the urban dictionary are sometimes priceless;)

            • Eclipse-girl

              I feel like Jenna Miscavige who would have dictionaries open to avoid being checked out.

              You are correct. I should be willing to verify my hunches. But then a get sidetracked and it can take a long time before I get back on track.

            • Ruby

              Good to know! I should have asked my teen son. 🙂

      • Zer0

        Word up!

  • aegerprimo

    Happy birthday UG Bunker!

  • Vinay Agarwala

    What I observe that some people when they are upset, they try to upset others.

    • Eclipse-girl

      You are admitting that you are upset with the Bunker.

      • Vinay Agarwala

        I love Bunker.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          you are full of SHIT!!!

        • Eclipse-girl

          No you don’t . You like creating mischief. If you loved the Bunker you would bite your tongue when writing a sarcastic comment because you know some individual would be offended, You would take time with your comments so they were well thought out and engage in a conversation. You would be articulate so all could understand what you were trying to say.

          • Vinay Agarwala

            I have given up on that.

            • Eclipse-girl

              You have given up on being intelligible?

            • deselby

              As far as I’m concerned the more people that read and post here, the better.

              So Vinay, if you want to be condescending and intentionally oblique while you try to promote your insane website to probably one of the most knowledgeable groups of people in the world regarding self-help scams and pseudo-scientific bs — go for it.

        • Espiando

          We all love Mark, but there’s not enough beard for all of us.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      VINAY…Look Directly into my eyes!!!

      Are you looking?

      NOW>>>FUCK OFF!!!!

    • Jo

      Your autism jokes ain’t funny. Dickhead.

    • Guest

      Sometimes people seem to forget that there are real people behind the computer screen names. Not everyone realizes that something that they say to someone else, whether in person, by telephone or text, or by way of pen and paper or computer, can hurt very deeply. Online, they can’t see the expression on someone else’s face or the tone of their voice, and tempers can escalate when the tone or inflection are misconstrued.

      I agree that some people lash out at others when they are hurting. I equate it to how a gentle family pet can bite their beloved owners when they are in pain. It is not with the intention to hurt others, but never-the-less, others can get hurt, and with technology so prevalent in daily human interaction, emotions are not always conveyed correctly, which can make things even worse.

      No one deserves to be treated as though their feelings don’t matter. They do matter! I hope that kindness will surround you in your real life and that those close to you treat you with consideration and respect. We all need that in our lives. A little kindness can go a long way!

      Peace, Vinay.

      • Elen

        I have never encounter anything other than kindness from everyone! I can duplicate posts, mis-state something, even misspell & I am grateful that not only am I corrected but it is always with kindness & good humour which is very much appreciated!

        So let me say not only happy anniversary to the Bunker but also to all the Bunkerites! Thank you for your warm welcome & kindness!

    • Nevermore

      What i observe is you talking down to people, and attempting to cloak yourself in a layer of unwarranted superiority and quasi-mystical ‘I know something you don’t know’. If you gave that up, some people might read your posts.

  • Brainslugged

    Many happy returns to TO and the Bunker. Thanks for an awesome year one.

  • DamOTclese2

    It really has been an excellent, awesome year. When Tony set the Village Voice lunch room on fire, stole the toilet paper from the bathrooms, and got shown the door, out in the wog world there was concern about who would carry on Tony’s tradition at the Voice.

    Turns out that Tony bought this old disused shelter and his avid (rabid, obsessive, loyal) fans joined him, and if anything the past year has seen the fan base increase. Tony has become the go-to person for all things Scientological, and given the always-hoped-for increase in criminal and civil silliness we can expect in the coming years, we might see The Underground Bunker needing to clear out some of the old WW1 canned goods to make room for more Bunkerites.

    What a fun ride so far!

  • NeverIn

    Happy Birthday! So glad to have found you!

    As for this Sex Magick shit, I… I got nothin’. My brain is not wired to absorb information this bizarre.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I know. It goes into the “bat shit crazy” aren for me

  • Rita Gregory

    OK, I have rum and I have coffee… any ideas?

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      Put the rum on ice and/or with coke. Save the coffee for the morning!

      • Rita Gregory

        No coke, no pepsi and I don’t want to drive 12 miles to buy any! Maybe the ice will have to do.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Ice and alcohol go well with one another. SIP. it is easy to gulp, if you are me.

    • Eclipse-girl

      would have the rum by itself, unless it is really bad, on ice. sip it.

      save the coffee for tomorrow.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Two teaspoons of butter.

      • Rita Gregory

        WTF! Everytime I up vote this it also down votes it? How the hell is that happening?

        • Moorwalker

          Had to give you a vote up because your furious confusion made me laugh.

          • Rita Gregory

            Time to start on the rum. 🙂

            • Moorwalker

              Cheers to you, and cheers to Tony and to everyone who’s hunkered in the Bunker for Year One!

            • Rita Gregory

              Cheers!

        • Eclipse-girl

          They just do not know. I mean I know. I know I know..HA HA HA HA HA

          Damn now All I can think of is Napolean XIV

          • Rita Gregory

            And you’re the only one who can help.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Because I am the only one old enough to know the source?

            • Rita Gregory

              Probably not, I think there are a lot of us more mature folks here.;)

            • Eclipse-girl

              NO ONE ELSE caught it.

            • Rita Gregory

              Ah-oh maybe we are the most mature people here. Here’s to wisdom!

            • Eclipse-girl

              “clink of glasses” I totally agree

            • Ruby

              count me in on that ladies!

            • Eclipse-girl

              There is always room for one more.

            • Ruby

              Thanks! 🙂
              I wonder sometimes on the ages here. Me…58 years young…:)

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am just a tad younger, but I had older bros. I think one of them still had his Napoleon XIV vinyl.

            • Ruby

              cool! And, despite the stresses a teen causes me, my friends say I am “well preserved”. Maybe they are being polite. 🙂

            • Eclipse-girl

              My only is 21. AND we did have issues during her teens. I think of it as being SURVIVORS

            • Rita Gregory

              Oh God yes. I had three girls and I think we should be proud if they survived and we did too.

            • Ruby

              Thanks for that! 🙂

            • Eclipse-girl

              Every one is different. every teen is different. I wonder if there had been another young person in the house how it may have changed the dynamics. But that is a what if.

              It took our girl living in her apartment for change to occur.

            • Rita Gregory

              I thought my oldest was gonna drive me nuts! Grew out of it in her early 20’s great young lady after that, middle child was mouthy but otherwise a dream, third child never gave me a moments worry over her behavior! Glad I got the challenging one over with first!

            • Eclipse-girl

              As a youngest, I learned that it was easier to toe the line, and be sneaky.

            • Rita Gregory

              I was the oldest and got caught every time I even thought about doing something wrong. My younger sisters and brother got away with murder.

            • Eclipse-girl

              As a younger sib, WE LEARN from your mistakes.

              My oldest bro was extremely confrontational. I learned to lie to my folks.

            • Ruby

              Yes!! That was my family! And just so ya know…everyday I thank God for my oldest sister and paving the way! She and I are wonderful friends!

            • Ruby

              I am also the youngest, and learned that too! :))
              So, I try to cut my guy some slack knowing that.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I understand that we need to let our kids “think” they are being sneaky.

              It is hard. Kids need to do STUPID things to grow up, and as parents we do not want our kids doing STUPID things. It is a balance. I do not judge.

            • Ruby

              I am now beginning to relate to that!! 🙂

            • Eclipse-girl

              Shit that was for Robert E.

              I messed that up

            • Rita Gregory

              56 and I love my crazy colored hi top reeboks and shall wear them until they come to take me away.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am younger than both of you, but not by much.

          • Eclipse-girl
            • Rita Gregory

              Thanks EG!

            • Eclipse-girl

              Thank “hearsay”

            • Rita Gregory

              Thanks hearsay!

            • Robert Eckert
            • Eclipse-girl

              And you didn’t do “I am the Walrus?”

              have a glass of whatever you wish

            • Robert Eckert

              I even back-played Revolution #9 which was weird enough forward.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I assume that TO has an earphone and just listens to the misc without watching the vids when he goes thru the comments.

            • Nevermore

              I listened to that during my second ever acid trip – that was v. freaky!

    • Ruby

      pour it over vanilla ice cream!

    • Zer0

      Hot coffee goes nicely with many alcoholic beverages

      • Rita Gregory

        Hot coffeee goes welll with just about anything. 😀

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Add butter and enjoy

          • Rita Gregory

            Yum BTN it’s good! Thanks!

      • stillgrace

        especially Bailey’s; my favorite. But lots of fat, sugar, and cholesterol, unfortunately.

        • Zer0

          Do some HIIT training, you won’t ever have to worry about those

          • Eclipse-girl

            I remember when, but You have to be in decent shape to start doing HIIT

      • Zer0

        Including beer. Try it.

        • Ruby

          Have to disagree with you there, and I LOVE beer and coffee…but NOT together.

          • Zer0

            I was surprised how much I liked it. Don’t ask me how or why it happened:)

            • Ruby

              Well ok then…I think I will have to try it! :))

    • WhereIsSHE

      Make a Pharisaaer!

      This drink was invented back in the 1800s. Some local pastor was a jackass who was always berating his flock their for “godless drinking”. In order to avoid his wrath, the congregation served a drink made with rum and coffee. The whipped cream on top kept the rum aroma from wafting through the air and upsetting the pastor, who received plain coffee with whipped cream. Do NOT stir the whipped cream (or you ruin the point of the drink).

      1 portion strong coffee (2 – 4 oz.)

      Sugar cubes

      1 jigger rum (or– ya know, MOER if you are serving it to ME;)

      Whipped cream (or whipped soy creamer if you are serving it to ME!)

      Fill the cup with coffee, sweeten to taste with the sugar cubes, then add the rum. Place whipped cream on top and serve immediately.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Would it work without the coffee? Just the Whipped Creme and Rum? I think I might like that one.

        • WhereIsSHE

          Well, it wouldn’t be a Pharisaaer, but.. it would work (if you were after a good buzz!)
          Me? I’d skip the coffee, sugar and cream, and just do shots of rum until I was good and buzzed enough to not notice that I was drinking just rum.

          We were in Jamaica this past Winter, and I can still recall the bad hangover from the rum we sipped at the behest of one of our traveling companions=(( OUCHHHIES, it was a rough morning on the tennis court the next day.

          • Eclipse-girl

            heck, most of the thrill of whipped creme is the texture. You do not need sugar for the texture. However, I am with you. I drink my liquors with no mixers (avoiding the sugar) . I prefer my wines at the appropriate temp for the wine.

            There is such a spectrum in rum. There are some 25 yr aged rums which are very good and minimize the hangover. Because of their price you don’t want to get drunk on them

    • Jon Hendry

      I used to enjoy earl grey tea, with caramel syrup, and brandy or cognac.

      Doesn’t really help you, though.

  • TheCommodeDoor

    Around 2006, I was picking up an order of business cards from a printer on Hollywood Blvd when I was approached by two young German girls in Sea Org uniforms. They had light blue blouses with a ribbon tie. At the time, I knew nothing about the Sea Org, and at first thought the were probably Air Force cadets in town for a USC game or something.

    Anyway, they were very young and told me that because they were shy, they had been instructed by a superior to walk down Hollywood Blvd. and just strike up conversations with strangers. (!) That got my attention – as that’s the LAST thing I would ever recommend my daughter (or any other woman) do. They never mentioned Scientology. They were just so sweet and innocent (naive). I’ve often wondered what may have happened to them. Do they ring a bell with anyone out there?

  • Illinoisian

    Happy Birthday to the Bunker and blessings on Tony and the light he shines into the dark and creepy places. Good health, continued energy and eloquence to all the wonderful, welcoming Bunkerites. (And may the hangovers tomorrow be minimal.)

    • Zer0

      Wonderful post!

    • Eclipse-girl

      Drink lots of water, people.

  • nottrue

    HAPPY BIRTHDAY dam i forgot whos birthday it is OH YEAH BUNKER

  • DamOTclese2

    Tony, This Guy’s Bunker was lame and a mess, I hope you’re able to get the cats to help keep your place clean. 🙂

  • Zer0

    How cool to have another 1K+ comments on the birthday of the Bunker!

    On this occasion, I would love the newbies to take a little time to go back and look at the treasure trove of Scientology investigations that Tony did back when he was Editor in Chief of the Village Voice for 5 years, a publication that was part of my daily routine when I lived in Manhattan.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Tony can’t get a break. Since Monique’s hearing there is no such thing as a slow day at the bunker

  • Kitty lover

    Happy Birthday Bunker! As a Never In, I found my way to The Bunker via the Village Voice. I started following the Scientology Meltdown during the TomKat divorce. (Red flag:how do multi million divorce proceedings resolve in 11 days…hmmm). Researched WWP, ESMB, Clambake, to name a few, for months learning the back stories of many ex-scientology members. Read the psychotic fair gaming, dissociation and dirty, unethical ways the Church of Scientology conducts business and treats their Sea org members. Read the way they bleed their parishioners dry. Read the way they prey on desperate families of addicts and offer bogus drug rehab treatments. The Internet is a beautiful thing!

    While I check in with the other Scientology Watchdog groups weekly, I NEVER miss a day of The Bunker. This place, for me, has become the GoTo place for Scientology news. I wake up, put the coffee on, shower up and start my day here. It’s all been said already, but Tony is an exceptional journalist. And,beyond that, he Is my hero for taking on this task of exposing the COS for what it is, a criminal enterprise.

    When my friends ask, and they do…”what is this fascination with this church”. I say, “This Cult and it’s pathetic piece of shit leader David Miscavige , is going to be dismantled and ground into dust in my lifetime. There is a path of victims that have escaped and some that don’t even know they are victims yet.” I want to support the efforts to bring that down. I did a lot of Craigslist posting about a year ago thru the efforts on WWP and am thrilled to see it’s started up here now. I donate as I am able to The Bunker. I speak to people in my life when I can about hurch.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Welcome KL. There is always room for one more. The snacks and beverages are in back, and the facilities are down the hall. You seem very educated about the cult and we will love your opinions and insights.

      • Kitty lover

        Thanks to all for the welcome. I am trying to add avatar and frickin can’t. Any tricks?

        • Rita Gregory

          As you can see by my avi I have no idea.:)

          • Kitty lover

            Lol! Yup, I am trying and it will not take anything…well, with the exception of black! And now I can’t edit posts either. Oh well, First World Problems. Have a good night, or day, depending where you are.

            • Rita Gregory

              You too.

            • Zer0

              Disqus can be temperamental. When in doubt, reload, refresh, reboot, or in worse case scenarios, use a different browser. I have found Firefox works better than Chrome or Internet Explorer, but at other times it’s a toss up.

            • Kitty lover

              Thanks for the suggestions zer0. I will check into Firefox mañana. Night!

            • Eclipse-girl

              Good night. sleep well.

            • Robert Eckert

              I see your avatar!

            • Kitty lover

              hi there. Yep, got part of it there. Night all. Up with the chickens to pour thru the Sunday funnies.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Glibby, got on my case about it. Did it today.

            • Rita Gregory

              Now I’m gonna have to pick one. Hmmmmm…

            • q-bird

              oh that’s the fun part – what image to use as a symbol for — You! ?

              🙂

        • q-bird

          you’ve gone to your dashboard at disqus.com right? hover on… your black square.. and click edit profile, click avatar – browse what pics you got on your ‘puter, double click the one you want – and then it lets you “size & crop” what have you…

          you’ve done this Kitty?

          • Kitty lover

            Q-bird, thanks for your help. I’m able to at least get some of the image I want. It will not resize no matter what I do. I’m ok with this for now. At least it’s better than the black avatar. Thanks for the help.

            • q-bird

              don’t know if you’ll get this message from here inside the dashboard (Tony’s web site went down in Mozilla – I’m on a satellite & foul weather may be affecting the signal) But! okay, good… I see bright colors there kitty lover!

            • Kitty lover

              Yes! We have bright colors…although can not get the entire image. It will not resize or drag to include the entire beautiful image no matter what I do. Oh well, I will mess with it more tomorrow.

              And you, you little minx, are showing off by changing your avatar! Night…zzzzz.

        • Eclipse-girl

          First have a file , a photo ready to use.

          The click on the non avatar. You should get all your posts and a button on the right that is EDIT PROFILE. click on that

          You should be directed to a page with several options. AVATAR being one of them

          Hope That helps,

          I am always running late

    • Rita Gregory

      Welcome! Bring your friends.

    • Ruby

      :)) welcome! great post!
      And btw…I am a kitty lover too. 🙂

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Welcome Kitty. You must have kitty picts, right? We kind of like em around here as I’m sure you’ve noticed.

  • stillgrace

    Just in case any of you missed Z’s latest post, showing his true colors:

    • Robert Eckert

      And tomorrow the paranoia will have passed, and he will pretend not to remember all this.

      • stillgrace

        I have an awesome montage of every X-rated and gruesome insult he has inflicted here to Bunkerites that I love and respect, if his memory needs refreshing.

        • AsthmaticDwarf

          Come back here, someday, StillGrace. I love your posts. You are important to many, many people, who are fighting in the little way we can the misogyny, contempt, and hatred pouring forth from the souls/spirits of the captured beings involved in Eller H’s elaborate con, perpetuated by the degraded being davey savage miscavage. Please come back someday. Love, A.D.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Then we shouldn’t let him forget it. There seemed to be more than the normal amount of punks and trolls today trying to spoil the celebratory mood. But what Zion posted is way past any line you could possibly draw. I’m sorry stillgrace

        • stillgrace

          Thank you, Jimmy. I’m not the only one that has been the victim of having things they’ve shared thrown in their face. He’s done this before.

        • Robert Eckert

          This is far far far from the first time he has had once of these outbursts.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            So why is he still accepted here? That is the worst personal attack I’ve seen here. To use a tragedy someone has shared as an emotional dagger when you feel insulted. That is a sign of borderline personality disorder. If the guy needs mental health treatment, I hope he can receive it, but that sort of bullshit should not be tolerated among any community of people, despite whatever demons he may have. He should just be ostracized and ignored.

            • Robert Eckert

              Tony did threaten him with ban the last time around.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              I’ve gathered that Tony doesn’t really ban or censor people here, which is good. What I meant was more along the lines of regulars ignoring his comments.

            • Robert Eckert

              He has threatened bans on very rare occasions (Greg Nietzky, our recent South African addition, was cautioned recently against making threats of violence), but I do not think has dropped the hammer even once. He has removed a few posts (obscene accusations made without basis). Generally the place relies on self-policing.

            • stillgrace

              No, he hasn’t. A couple of Z incidents ago, he came as close as he ever has to banning when he told Flunk (same guy, many socks) to “chill the fuck out.”

            • noseinabk

              Back in the VV days it got to the point that all the reply’s to his post would be “cool story bro” I wish we could all agree to go back to that when dealing with Zflunkwhatever, and Jessica, and people like Vinay. All they do is derail into long boring discussions that add nothing to the bunker. If your gonna troll at least be amusing!

            • Zer0

              Vinay is currently on my shit list

              How funny that I used to think that guy was sincere

            • stillgrace

              Yeah, that’s a tough one. He irritates me because he acts like he knows something we don’t know, and the problem is: we just don’t “get it”, and he’s so superior. Different situation than Z.

            • Rita Gregory

              “Enjoy my criticism” Was the one that got me. V just comes off as the bunkers superior.

            • noseinabk

              Jessica bothers me more. She likes to have those long ranting diologs of bullshit and magical thinking. Vinay? Any of us who have read MR’s blog blew him off long ago. I am disappointed that people think that Jessica is worth debating with because she try’s to refute magical thinking with…uuhm…magical thinking.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              You bigot. MY magic is more magical than yours.

            • noseinabk

              This is only one glass of wine.
              That is as far as my magical thinking is going tonight.

            • Zer0

              Agreed, she bothers more, a lot more

            • stillgrace

              I have to admit that after her first time here, I never read her posts again, so I am not current.

            • noseinabk

              Good for you. I think I lost a some brain cells reading her crap.

            • stillgrace

              I agree. And “cool story, bro” did get very old, very fast. That was TurtleZ. To be fair, Z has not copped to being TurtleZ, and so it’s possible that was a different troll. If the purpose of a troll is to disrupt the bunker, then I would say Z/Flunk/StillKeyedOut is definitely an embedded long-term troll. The only other explanation is some cyclic mental disturbance.

            • noseinabk

              I 100% believe that z is a case of mental disturbance. This time he lasted for about a month of good behavior. He also promised he would stop using all of his other names. If we could just get all the bunkerites to reply to them in the same way it would help allot.

            • stillgrace

              I’ve noticed the cycle for a long time, which is why I made a joke about the lunar psycho cycle. This was after he insulted SPF and Robert and more.

            • Jon Hendry

              I read one blog where they respond to their persistent troll with comments about pancakes, no matter what the troll was saying.

            • noseinabk

              Funny. That would drive him nuts!

            • stillgrace

              LOL! That would be difficult in this case, since the “good Z” posts rational, interesting stuff most of the time. Until he doesn’t. I’ve been around long enough to just know when the shoe is going to drop and he’s ripe to go off. He’s usually upset because he thinks people believe he’s still in, or they don’t believe he had genuine wins.

              It’s ironic, because I never made fun of his wins or accused him of still being in. I only rousted him by pointing out to him the error of his ways (with a cat meme, usually) when he went off the rails, and insulted people in the most horrible ways possible.

            • noseinabk

              That is exactly what he did to SPF and look a how long that bs lasted. As you know, once he targets you, he is gonna attack and play victim to you for a very long time. Ignore and let others answer those attacks.

            • stillgrace

              Well that’s just it, he gets away with it. No one holds him accountable, which is why I started teasing him with cat memes.

            • Nevermore

              Where I used to work, if someone sent out an email that derailed an otherwise sensible conversation, we all sent an email in reply that just said ‘Sylvester Stallone’. Can’t remember why poor Sly’s name was used like that, but yes, I agree we need some kind of phrase that equates to ‘either play nice or shut the fuck up’.

            • AsthmaticDwarf

              Let the Bunkerites resolve that Ziontolocyst / Flunk101 and any future handles it comes up with to post herein, be branded forevermore a troll/punk, not to be trusted, to be perpetually disrespected. So resolved.

            • ThetaBara

              I saw that, and still think he’s just nuts (or a partuicularly bad drunk). That said, I started ignoring his posts after an episode a while back and it has certainly made for more ARC for me! LOL, but seriously. One thing that unites us here is that we are passionate, and that can certainly be used as a lever. Whatever the reason, we are well rid of him.

            • Zer0

              To my knowledge, this place has always been self enforced. With one exception. A commenter was deleted by Tony for making an unfounded negative comment about Miscavige. Tony is always ethical.

            • Robert Eckert

              I know the comments (the kind of accusations which could have made for a libel case, given lack of dox) were deleted. I am not sure if the commenter was banned or just slunk away.

            • richelieu jr

              When was the last time, pray tell? Glad Tony came thru with the ban, just seems strange I missed this asshat totally…

    • MadMaxi

      Not cool at all. One can have fights, but to bring up something uber personal like that and twist it?! No, that is as low as the DM.

      Sorry, Still Grace.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Sorry I disagree with you.

        • stillgrace

          Please let the party continue. I didn’t mean to disrupt things. I just didn’t want him to get away with this. He needs to be held accountable.

          • Rita Gregory

            I’m sorry that was said to you Stillgrace, way over the line.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Sometimes the best thing to do is to walk away.

            I know that is hard, particularly if you have been targeted.

            YOU are the better person.

          • Jimmy Threetimes

            Absolutely he needs to be held accountable, and you did the right thing by re-posting it. Not everyone here digs through every single comment, and it’s best for that kind of scumbaggery to be exposed to anyone who would have missed it.

            • stillgrace

              He has a long history of editing his posts to remove or change the dodgy things he posts to people. I wanted this one on the record.

          • Eclipse-girl

            I am going to bed. It is past 11:30 pm my time. (((HUGS)))

            • Rita Gregory

              Night EG! Sleep well.

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Gnight E-g

          • Guest

            You are right about it being necessary for him to be held accountable. I have your back, Grace.

            Done.

            The Amazing Grace Defense Team has issued a response further up the thread.

            ‘Cause you is kind. You is smart. You is important! 🙂

        • MadMaxi

          Maybe I missed something, I did not go and read the original thread. All I saw was the above and the comment where he stated “Didn’t you have a suicide in your family recently?…” So based on that I think blaming another for the suicide of a loved one on somebody is sick, manipulative, and cruel.

          • MadMaxi

            No problem, I can delete my comment if it will cause upset in the bunker.

            • stillgrace

              I appreciated your comment.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Do Not bother deleting.

            I do not know the whole story either.

            I do know that I have interacted with StillGrace. I trust her.

          • Robert Eckert

            Once before, he recalled that I had mentioned having been through suicidal depressions, and expressed the hope that I would have more such thoughts.

            • Candygram

              Michael mentioned people that mine boards for data to harass and disrupt. This behavior rings that bell.

        • stillgrace

          With the spare time I have, I do four things. I read Tony’s articles. I educate Kerry Kennedy and her cousins about the evils of scientology. I do whatever I can to stop people from getting sucked into the con, through protests and work on craigslist. And I stick up for Bunkerites that are being bullied or insulted. I try to do it with humor. This is too much, however.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Educating anyone and everyone about the evil of this cult is wonderful

          • sugarplumfairy

            I love you for that.. I’ll never forget 7-14-12, when I went off on Turtlez and you had my back.. I’ve adored you ever since.. You’re smart and fair and reasonable and articulate..

    • SandiCorrena

      Gasp! Sooooo sorry!

    • Aslansown

      This is absolutely cruel and inhumane. I’m so sorry. Having dealt with something similar, there is almost nothing more painful.

    • Nevermore

      OK, can I use the ‘c’ word here??

      • richelieu jr

        No, you certainly cunt.

      • ThetaBara

        You could. But some of us will think you’re an asshat if you do.
        There are better insults that don’t denigrate half the human race. And that’s all I’m going to say about that.

    • sister wendy

      wow….

    • sugarplumfairy

      You can take the boy out of scientology but it’s a lot harder to take the scientology out of the boy..

      He’s hard-wired by co$ to fight dirty..

  • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

    Happy birthiversarry Bunker! I’ve been a TO fan since the VV days, and about a month ago remembered how much I enjoyed his articles and found the bunker.

  • Silence of the Clams

    Congratulations Tony. What you’ve accomplished in a year is impressive. Having never been in the cult, the jargon and mental gymnastics involved in following this particular cult is daunting. You, and your supporters, have been a source of great assistance and understanding. Unfortunately, it made me realize something I thought was devious and underhanded, was really much, much worse.

    Here’s hoping the posts next year tell of re-connection of families and JUSTICE.

    • Silence of the Clams

      oh…and fuck David Miscarriage

      • Kitty lover

        I love your avatar and name. Agreed, Tony has an amazing ability to cut through the SCI-jargon and the multi layers of info that is coming fast and furious and explain it in a way that is understandable for everyone. And, the Bunkerettes and contributors have made me laugh, made me and taught me a lot.

        Oh, and David Miscavige, Fuck You. You are a complete piece of shit.

        • Eclipse-girl

          yes, he is.

  • Snippy_X

    Happy #1 to the Bunker

  • Zer0

    I call 1400!

  • Caroline Letkeman

    Jon Atack: “When I first met Gerry, he told me about a scale he’d found in Hubbard’s papers, which belonged to the period between Parsons and Dianetics— around 1947. I asked Gerry about this, recently, but he couldn’t
    remember it, so I foraged through my ancient notes, and there it is:
    God
    The Fool
    Fanatics and Zealots
    The Wealthy, Financiers
    The Intelligentsia
    Labourers and Farmers
    Animals …”

    Gerry made a comment about his discussion with Jon about the above on his blog:
    Memories of memories of farmers and fools</a.

  • Zer0

    We haven’t had a truly malignant troll for quite some time. I think we got one now. The satanist chick, Sideways.

  • Aslansown

    What a day to miss — the first birthday of the Bunker. Last night I had to go to the ER with symptoms of a TIA. They still don’t know but it certainly seems like that’s what happened. I spent most of the day resting, dying to join in on the celebration.

    I sort of suspect that my addiction to the Bunker which keeps me glued to my computer while sitting on the couch gave me some kind of tiny clot due to being completely sedentary! (jk) Happy Birthday to the Bunker and to the absolutely stellar reporting by Tony.

    I’m just glad that Tony’s cats have such great taste in beverages to help Tony celebrate! 😉

    • Ruby

      Wishes for speedy recovery, Aslansown

      • Aslansown

        Thank you! Just hoping to get an MRI this week, although when this happened last year I was in the hospital for 4 days (and racked up a $40,000 bill) and every single test was absolutely perfect…I get the feeling they think I’m a hypochondriac, but I’m the farthest from that. In fact, I put off calling 911 for hours and finally a friend took me. It’s frustrating b/c I don’t think they’re really taking it seriously…

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Woah.. That is rather scary. Hope it goes well for you

          • Aslansown

            Yes, it is. I have a strong family history of TIA’s and strokes. Nothing is quite as scary for me as having a stroke. Give me a heart attack any day! Plus I live by myself, so I worry that if something happens I might not be able to call for help.

            Anyway thanks for all your good wishes. Hopefully they can figure out what’s going on.

        • Ruby

          Sorry to hear that…but don’t mess around with that stuff. Keep on the docs til you know things are ok. Best wishes

          • Aslansown

            Thanks! I’m not very assertive about things, especially when up against the “gods” of the ER and medical profession.

            • Ruby

              Well then it’s time you changed that. 🙂

            • Aslansown

              SO true! I’m old enough that I should just go all “crotchety old person” on these young docs, but when you’re the one lying there scared and they are the ones with the power, I kind of cave.

              Maybe next time I’ll log into the Bunker when I’m in the ER and get some moral support to go off on the doctor!

            • noseinabk

              YES! Do it!!

            • Aslansown

              I’ll hold my phone up to his face and let you guys just go for it!!

            • noseinabk

              I know what you are saying. I am a fierce advocate for others but turn into a wimp sometimes on my own behalf.

            • Aslansown

              I know! I think I get righteously indignant when I see someone I care about not treated well, but for whatever reason — brought up to be the perfect, compliant person or whatever — I just don’t feel capable of doing it. Also I have a psych history (those evil psychs) and that tends to make the docs think that it’s all in your head. I’ve seen it happen to others and definitely had it happen to me.

            • Rita Gregory

              They are people and people make mistakes. Stand up for yourself and don’t be afraid of the “gods”.

            • Aslansown

              Thanks! I’m really good at advocating for other people, but not myself. You guys are giving me hope that I’ll be able to do that.

            • aurora50

              Aslan. My sweetie pie and I both got the Big C within 6 months of each in 2006…there is a skill set that can be activated to engage your caretakers to care for you…it takes energy and attention.

              Here are some things I have learned along the way.

              Before you go in next, see if your hospital has a social service department; most do these days. Call and explain your need and ask for assistance. Be very clear, and calm and firm that you need a patient advocate with you to help navigate the system. Engage their desire to help you help them give you the best care the first time…
              but also, too…remember the whole country is making the shift to the ACA this week and nobody knows what is going to happen; especially if the government gets shut down, social services may be shuttered.

              My experience, Aslan, is that people LOVE to help others; but are a bit leery of taking on responsibility…so if you can be clear that YOU are responsible, but you are in need of a bit of help, magic fairies just show up!

              The other aspect is getting the attention and follow-thru from physicians and other caregivers; all of whom are slammed 24/7.
              My affirmation is “I am the boss of me; and you (doctor, nurse, specialist) are the high priced mechanic I am engaging to help me care for this fine fine machine.”

              And also, I dress the part of the owner of the fine, fine machine, that is just having a spot of trouble…
              even if it’s just a beret and a scarf…earrings and lipstick…it gets them looking at my face and helps me keep them focused on me and not the chart…

              and if it is known to you, Rescue Remedy Chewing Gum…amazing stuff!

              Please let us hear how you are doing tomorrow.

              Aurora

            • stillgrace

              Wow, Aurora, what a fantastic, helpful post. I copied it into a pdf, just in case I or someone I know ever needs it. Bless you. This is why I love this community.
              We should make sure Asiansown sees this, I don’t think she’s in the bunker right now.

            • Aslansown

              First of all, I’m so sorry to hear of your and your husband’s diagnoses. How are you doing now?

              Secondly, I love this post! Just like stillgrace said below, I’m going to keep it and re-read it and try to implement it. Just wonderful ideas and suggestions. (Love the part about dressing the part!)

              Never heard of Rescue Remedy — I’ll have to try that!

              Thank you so much. I’m blown away by the caring here at the Bunker.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Oh no! It’s terrible: the symptoms, the waiting for results and diagnosis, the bills… all of it… I am so sorry. TIA’s are frightening and frustrating. I hope you have friends or family to help you through. Stay with us and just read and rest…. you might not feel so alone? I’ve barely arrived myself and will forage through the comments. Don’t miss Tony’s celebration selfie – posted first under “Best” setting of Disqus.
          Hope you feel stronger soon.

          • Aslansown

            Thank you. In fact I felt bad about even bringing it up since I felt like I was trying to just get sympathy. But you’re right — it does make me feel less alone, which really helps.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Don’t feel “bad” as there is nothing “bad” about sharing the realities of your life with us. It’s a honor for us, in that you trust enough to tell us. You must have noticed that most of us talk about our lives and difficulties with each other here in the Bunker, even if it might be deemed “off topic.” I just wish I or some of us lived close by to help you or keep you company as you recover. It’s terrible to be sick and living alone.
              If it’s not too tiring, just keep reading. Or, just a suggestion, go to You Tube and watch videos or feature length films eve or listen to music videos.
              I am concerned about you.

            • Aslansown

              Now I’m on the verge of crying! What you said is so kind. (And if anyone lives in the Chicago area, I’d love to drag you along so you can help me stick up for myself! ) 😉

    • Kitz

      Speedy recovery and good health!

      • Aslansown

        Thank you!

    • Zer0

      It’s more common than you think, I know many professionals who have suffered the same problem from prolonged sitting. I set my iPhone to remind me to get up an walk every 20 minutes.

      • Aslansown

        Great idea! I need to do that. The ironic thing is that for the last 3 days I had finally gotten into walking for an hour each day, and then this happened!

        • Jon Hendry

          If you can afford it, try getting or making a treadmill desk.

          I have one of these for a treadmill

          https://www.lifespanfitness.com/workplacesolutions-treadmill-desk-and-bike-desk/tr800-dt3-treadmill-desk.html

          For the desk part, I made something out of a $50 wire shelving unit from Home Depot.

          • Aslansown

            I have thought about that a lot since I first learned of them. I’d love to do that. It would definitely help me lose the weight I recently gained. I may have to ask for that for Christmas due to the price, but they really intrigue me.

    • Kitty lover

      Take good care of you. A good reminder for those of us who sit for long periods of time.

      • Aslansown

        Yes — this can be an object lesson!

    • Rita Gregory

      Feel better and stay on those Dr.’s!

      • Aslansown

        Thanks for the encouragement, Rita.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Take care….and hope ya get yourself all sorted out.

      • Aslansown

        Thank you!

    • Nevermore

      Strange you should say that – for a few months I thought my hours spent reading here were to blame for the weird pains in my legs and feet. Turns out it’s psoriatic arthritis! 🙂 My dad had a TIA some years ago – mentally he was transported back in time – he gave his address as our old house, and the name of our GP from back then, who is now dead. He also couldn’t understand how his baby girl was now old enough to drive, though he did recognise us all. Took him a little while to get back to normal, But yes, rest up, but not too much! 🙂

      • Aslansown

        Thank you for your post. I’ve never heard of your condition…I’ll have to hearsay it.

        Thanks for caring. The Bunker is really amazing.

  • Whoknew

    Happy birthday, Bunker! Congrats, Tony, on an epic year of bravery, brilliance, relentless persuance of facts, and more. Some people can’t yet thank you for what you’re doing. For them I’ll thank you doubly. Thank you. Thank you.

    • Zer0

      Everyone will agree with you about Tony’s brilliance. But for me, what strikes me is his bravery. Tony’s bravery, along with many others, has been key to the mass exodus from the corporate cult.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Arthur’s dry point work is amazing!

    Happy Birthday to the Bunker. Yay Tony!

    Great story today Tony. It becomes ever more apparent that the core upon which Scientology was built, was Hubbard’s occult path to personal power. Thank you also Jon, great research and insight as always.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    Goodnight y’all. Between the three messes way down below with Vinay, Jessica Sideways AND Ziontoligist(FLUNK) my head is killing me.

    Happy B-Day Bunker and all you wonderful folks. See ya in the AM for hopefully a lighter, funnier day.

    • Rita Gregory

      Goodnight.

    • DeElizabethan

      They may have been a covert present for the Bunkers Birthday. From those that fear the truth and want to spoil the party. Knowwhatimean?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Could be Dee, could be……night night.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Good night. Don’t forget to recharge your batteries overnight 😉

  • Aslansown

    Thanks so much to all my virtual friends for your good wishes and encouragement to be a b**ch if need be to get the medical help I need! I do consider you friends after so many months of interacting and sharing things together. You have all given me a lot of comfort tonight and made me feel less alone. I need to go to sleep now, but I can’t thank you enough! <3 (Is that a heart emoticon? It's meant to be, but it looks like an ice cream cone!) Oh well, goodnight. See you in the morning! Thanks again.

    • Rita Gregory

      Night and take care.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Good night. I hope you feel refreshed after. If you are up to it tomorrow, post in the Bunker and let us know how you are doing.

      • Aslansown

        Thank you so much! I got to bed kind of late (being here at the Bunker) and woke up early so I’ll probably go back to sleep for awhile, but wanted to let you know I’m OK. Thank you for caring.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Hey great to hear from you! Fantastic! Sleep away… it is the BEST medicine for our bodies, brains, immune system, physical and mental health, and the other BEST part is that it’s free. So sleep away my friend, and keep checking in with one of us. OK?
          I, too, am rolling over and going back to sleep. Hee hee I had a late night in Bunker again, darn it and darn me for lack of self control 🙂

  • DodoTheLaser

    Because just one typewriter caek is simply not enough!

    Happy Bunker Birtday! Love to TOrtega & The Bunkerites!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Don’t worry, there are not really 1500 posts to slog through. Once you’ve skimmed right past anything to do with Vinay, Jessica sideways and Zion, you have maybe 1000 worth looking at.

      • marti

        It says 1548 right now @ 2:19 a.m. 9/29.
        And what are you doing up so late or up so early?

        • Nevermore

          1561 at 0846 UK time!

  • Noni Mause

    This shouldn’t just be The Bunkers birthday…. It should be officially announced SP day! Someone point me to a tree I can cut down…

    • marti

      Actually, we need to plant a couple of trees in CW.
      Near a couple of tents.
      With a plaque that reads from “The Bunker.”

      • Noni Mause

        *Giggles* Oh that would be just beautiful!

  • Theo Sismanides

    Diana (and thusly Dianetics)? I am sorry, obviously Mr. Atack does not have any knowledge of greek nor of any etymologies in english. By the way Diana in Greek is Artemis nothing to do with the root “dia”. My advice: pick up a good dictionary and clear up “dia” as from Greek. I advise to see all those words starting from “dia”. http://www.morewords.com/starts-with/dia/ Looks like Diana was very busy with words.

    • Nevermore

      He was talking about Roman mythology, not Greek. So Diana is correct.

      • Theo Sismanides

        Hahaha, can you guys think at all? DIANETICS is Greek. In Greek it is translated ΔΙΑ-ΝΟΗΤΙΚΗ. Means “through the Mind”!!! “Dia” means through in Greek. Open some dictionary and find out.

        • Nevermore

          I have no trouble thinking, thank you. I looked up ‘Scientology bore’ in a dictionary, and your picture was there – fancy that!

          • Theo Sismanides

            I don’t fancy anything! You guys are just biased and don’t wanna look further than what you are told. How do you call that. Dianetics is from greek dia (meaning “through”) and noos (meaning “mind”). Now that subjective unless one deals with biased people or morons. Pick up yours.

            • Nevermore

              Diana is ROMAN. Her name IS NOT GREEK. So, no matter what ‘dia’ means in Greek, it is IRRELEVANT, because Hubbard chose to claim a ROMAN goddess as the representative of the Egyptian Hathor/Sekhmet representation of ‘nature’ he was enamoured of. Probably because Hathoretics doesn’t really trip off the tongue. If you can’t or won’t understand that, then there is no hope for you.

            • Vistaril

            • Theo Sismanides

              Yeah, right. It should be Dianatics… ! How could I miss this? But Hubbard wanted to put all smoke around this thing so he pretended it comes from dia and noos which was just a pretense. Viva Dianatics the Science of the Occult!

    • Robert Eckert

      It doesn’t matter that Diana really has nothing to do with Greek dia-. What matters here is only that Hubbard confused them. He understood other languages as poorly as he understood science.

      • Theo Sismanides

        Your explanations are so provoking! You guys alter everything and are so biased. Good day to all!

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          That was Hubbard who altered everything, Theo.
          And YOU are biased.

    • L. C. Spencer

      You missed the point of the article in this. It’s not that Jon Atack “does not have any knowledge of greek nor of any etymologies in english.” It’s that L. Ron Hubbard himself did not have any knowledge of Greek nor of any etymologies in English. His writings are littered with this sort of lack of understanding. It’s on a par with his claiming to be a scientist, but then discussing the “gu-LAX-ee.”

      • Theo Sismanides

        So “DIANETICS” comes from “Diana”? I am sorry I am Greek and have had quite some studies in modern and Ancient Greek. Persuade those who are ignorant and want to be biased.

        • L. C. Spencer

          You continue to miss the point, I don’t know whether accidentally or willfully. NO ONE here is saying it is based on actual Greek, so stop arguing that we are saying that.

          The point is that HUBBARD decided to use “dia” in this way and then made up a backstory to fit it. He made it up. It doesn’t come from anything except his own brain.

          Also, it’s been repeatedly explained to you that the article referred to Roman mythology, not Greek, so your whole statement is irrelevant even so. I’m not even trying to argue with you, just clarify the contents of the article, so I don’t understand why you’re being so obtuse here.

          You seem to have nothing but M/Us with regard to Jon’s article and the subsequent comments. Go back and word clear it perhaps? Or perhaps a better dictionary…

          • Theo Sismanides

            Dianetics is greek, doesn’t have to do with any Roman mythology nor any Dianas. Any other “explanation” is just your fancy. I don’t need to wordclear the article of a biased journalist who wants to present one aspect of LRH as an occultist.

            LRH was a mystic and knew things that some people are not ever going to find out about themselves and life. But he didn’t just follow that track but gave that knowledge to millions of people now on this planet in a form that is easily understood but not by the many yet.

            The Fool of Tarot is Tone 45 on the Tone Scale and not everyone can be that. LRH was that and he did what he had to do even though the dogs and alligators are still trying to bite on a dead carcass of his. Keep on biting. You, Jon Atack, whoever wants. You will find nobody there but you might get some uplift maybe in a miserable attempt to change the route of history. Scientology is staying on this planet and it is going to change the way people see themselves and life.

            • L. C. Spencer

              Oh, dear. I don’t mind continuing this conversation, but I don’t see it going anywhere. I promise you I’m not trying to bite anyone, and wish you happiness sincerely. All the best, wherever you find it.

            • Theo Sismanides

              oh dear, if you are sincere accept then a simple fact if you can. The etymology of the word Dianetics has nothing to do with any mythology. It’s simple Greek. Period.

            • Guest

              I’m hungry for Greek food, now. Life is better with cheddar, but it’s even beta with feta.

            • Phil de Fontenay

              Where did you get the idea that The Fool of Tarot is Tone 45?

              The Tone scale I have only goes up to Tone 40 and I have never seen any mention of Tone 45.

              The whole idea of a fool being high on any scale is a bit of a stretch don’t you think?

              That’s like saying we should bow down and follow everything an idiot says… Just like the Sea Org are doing ~lol

            • Theo Sismanides

              If you feel an idiot says things and we just follow them, why are you asking about Tone 45? Just stay with the Tone 40 scale. That’s enough of an “idiocy” already.

            • Phil de Fontenay

              Theo, you said The Fool of Tarot is tone 45. I was just clarifying that data.

              The Tone 40 scale comes from Hubbard. Are you saying he was an idiot? You stated above that he was a fool.

              All I am trying to do is understand this kind of logic…

            • Theo Sismanides

              Phil, it’s now morning in Europe, I had some few hours of sleep so I feel more fresh and a bit more patient to answer to you.

              It’s true that with many people here we have opposing views. But that does not mean that we cannot understand what each other is saying.

              So about the Fool here it goes: First of all if you see the interview of Jon Atack it says right there that there is a passage in the 1st Lecture of the Philadelphia Doctorate Course where Hubbard presents the Fool of the Tarot as a representation of a Tone 45. If there is something close to 45 that is the Fool of the Tarot. Because he knows everything there is to it and does nothing about it.

              On that said I don’t understand how I stated that Hubbard was a fool. The “Fool” and a “fool” are two different things. Do not alter my words or misunderstand me.

            • Phil de Fontenay

              This is what you said “The Fool of Tarot is Tone 45 on the Tone Scale and not everyone can be that. LRH was that…”

              Why anyone would want to liken themselves to a card in a foolish game/fortune telling scam is weird!

              I have read the PDCs and they are so full of rubbish. Wasn’t it in the PDCs that he came up with Creative Processing and then later down the track found out it just bogged a case? But then there is a lot of that in Scn.

              I don’t believe Hubbard was a mystic at all!

            • Theo Sismanides

              If you had duplicated the PDCs then you would remember the concept of the Fool is in there.

              Understanding comes after Duplication in my textbook. And of course Evaluation (“they are so full of rubbish”) is the 3rd stage after Duplication and Understanding. But what am I talking about? 3rd stage? Let’s see first the 1st stage: Duplication.

              Now, that’s missing. And the reason is… Oh, I don’t have to talk about Word Clearing. Even Tom Cruise got that at a younger age. He might not have grasped the whole subject fully but he is trying. Some don’t even wanna hear about it. They want though to Evaluate big time.

            • Phil de Fontenay

              The concept of the Fool is foolish and Hubbard talking about it like it is some higher tone thing that he has achieved is just foolish. He really was a fool… and so are we for ever falling for his poor quality “borrowed” tech. It’s just that some of us have decided to stop being fools and see Hubbard for what he really was, a charlatan!

              I was auditing on staff for 22 years. It wasn’t until I “achieved” -HAH!- OT8 that I finally realized it was ALL just smoke and mirrors.

              But of course diehards like yourself will say “Oh, there must’ve been out-tech!” or some other “reason” NO! no other reason. It’s a mirage built with lies and deceptions and it’s all falling apart 😉

            • Theo Sismanides

              Phil I am sorry to hear about you being OT 8. I am not going to make evaluations and invalidations for you on this. I think you know better.

              The truth is I am not even up to Grade 1 but still I have my own reality having been in the Sea Org for 9 years.

              In any case since you have been an auditor you can understand more things than others.

            • ThetaBara

              The concept of the Fool has a lot more to it than dianetics ever did. FWIW.

            • Phil de Fontenay

              Well that’s not saying much! ~lol

              If I told you that I believe Dianetics has absolutely zero value then where would that leave the concept of the Fool.

              Pray tell, what does the concept of the Fool have?

            • ThetaBara

              Well, in tarot, the Fool has to do with beginnings (what the Buddhists call “Beginners’ Mind”) and with taking a leap of faith even though you’re not really prepared for what might happen next. Leah going on DWTS even though she has no previous dance experience would be an example. The Fool is numbered zero and is the only one of the major arcana to have made it into the modern playing card deck, where it survives as the Joker or the wild card.

              I should say that I have not studied the Crowley/Thoth tarot. I am a Ryder/Waite/Smith devotee and my understanding comes from that school. The Crowley deck just does not resonate with me at all and I know next to nothing about it. In any case, as a major, the Fool represents an archetype. When using tarot for divination (there are other uses) the meaning of the Fool card would also depend on where in the reading it comes up, and what the other cards are.

              I completely agree that Dianetics has absolutely zero value. It’s a bunch of made up bullshitness. The tarot is as much an art as a science – but whatever you may think of it, it is a system which was developed over years by many people who put real thought into it. That is far more than I can say for any of Hubbard’s claptrap.
              Does that answer your question?

            • theoracle

              “Why anyone would want to liken themselves to a card in a foolish game/fortune telling scam is weird!”

              There are more people into Tarot that Scientology.

            • An Theta

              Just curious if your comment is in defense of Tarot cards, then, or -benefit of the doubt- just stating what is probably true? (Tarot>Sci). Because you thought it was ‘hysterical’ and foolish that some of us were interpreting Hubbard’s written words from diaries and rituals to ponder ‘where he put his dick’ but yet Tarot is based in part on interpreting randomly drawn images. Is one ok but not the other?

            • Phil de Fontenay

              More people being into something doesn’t necessarily make it any good. I absolutely loathe fortune tellers.

              Tarot just started off as a normal card game. I guess the need for people to be told what to do and when to do it transformed it into what it is today… another sham!

              Remember when we used to cut open birds and analyze their entrails to tell the future? 😉

              Forget Scn, Tarot and all that crap. Just look into your own heart deep enough and you will have ALL the truth you need 😉

  • media_lush

    Boy, I pick a good weekend to visit my parents and miss all the crazy posters I’d have loved to engage with….. This pic goes out to our new troll poster of the week Jessica White Arse or something …..

    PS – happy bunker birthday, Tony!

    • Rita Gregory

      Absolutely a troll and proud of it! God I love “Hearsay”

      • L. C. Spencer

        Excellent! Trolls who troll with content like “blood libel” deserve to be called out.

        • Rita Gregory

          “Blood libel” put me over the edge! Did a little looking and lo and behold….

  • Eivol Ekdal

    Hmmm…

  • theoracle

    I have to say, this is about as close to ghost stories as one can get. Speculating on where Hubbard might have put his dick and imagining what “Hubbard was thinking”. Hysterical! “I think that Author felt” “but on a deeper level” ..”Hubbard thought”.. This is as mystical and magical as it gets. Like someone who picks up on pictures or thoughts from the dead or analyzes meanings from drawings. Laughter!!!!! Too funny! Makes the Long Island medium look amateur!

  • Squints

    Happy Birthday.

  • sister wendy

    yes- happy birthday, Tony:)

  • Mark Luskin

    Unfortunately very little of Mr Atak’s statements on the Ordo Templi Orientis or Aleister Crowley is correct. In some ways I would attribute a bit of this to Mr. Atak having been in contact with Mr Symonds, an at times terrible source about Crowley and certainly someone who never claimed to understand the emic reality of Crowley’s proposed magicoreligious system Thelema.

    The BABALON Working, from start to finish, involved a series of working included autoerotic VIII° OTO methods and IX° heteroerotic methods towards the creation of a Homonculus as per an article by Crowley and fictionalized in his novel _Moonchild_.

    There was nothing homosexual, in the sense of intercourse between Hubbard and Parsons, according to the records or any other indication. Such a claim is a projection on Atak’s part. Hubbard was present during the sexual sessions, relaying the imagery he was seeing, but was not engaged in physical contact with Hubbard during these events.

    Expect a larger account of Mr. Atak’s errors with corrections to follow. It will include footnotes for readers to verify my statements and refuse Mr. Atak’s misrepresentations.

    • TonyOrtega

      Can hardly wait for more corrections from someone who can’t even spell Jon’s name correctly. The anticipation is thrilling.

      • L. C. Spencer

        Not to mention that several disappointed commenters on this article seem to have missed the larger point of the essay, which is not what the OTO is really about, but what Hubbard thought it was about and what he took from it. And as we all know, he was incapable of borrowing without mangling.

        Oh, and HAPPY BIRTHDAY BUNKER!!!!! Congrats, Tony, you have done something tremendous.

      • Mark Luskin

        I typed in hast, but it doesn’t make his statements any more correct.

        The Babalon Working, the notes of which can be read at the following link, was an attempt at two things 1) get Jack Parsons a girlfriend and 2) get her pregnant with a “Thelemic Messiah” who would embody the force of Babalon. The Working’s first phase was in fact done autoerotically in the manner of the OTO’s VIII° “Secret Instructions” titled “De Nuptis Secretis Deorum cum Hominibus” while the second phase was done in the manner of the O.T.O.’s IX° heterosexual sex magic techniques. Nowhere in the record of the Workings is there any indication of sexual relations between Hubbard and Parsons though Hubbard was clearly present during Parson’s masturbation and later his sexual relations with Marjorie Cameron.

        http://hermetic.com/parsons/the-book-of-babalon.html

        The O.T.O. system was set up like Freemasonry from its 0° to VII°, with the subsequent VIII° (autoerotic), IX° (heteroerotic) and XI° (homoerotic) having no Freemasonic style ritual, but rather a set of “how to” papers. The fact that there was a sex magical element to the system was supposed to be kept from members below the VIII° and they would only be admitted past the VII° if they figured it out for themselves. The VIII° of the O.T.O. system in Crowley’s time focused on methods of an autoerotic nature, not homosexual, without any fixed ritual. This is evident by the technical papers mentioned above, Crowley’s own diaries, and subsequent secondary sources discussing the methods.

        In addition to the book by Francis King mentioned an even more complete set of O.T.O papers , including the degree rituals and the degree papers, were published as _O.T.O. Rituals and Sex Magick_ edited by Anthony Naylor, which was sadly suppressed in the courts by the O.T.O. International. This has not prevented this material form being released to easy availability on the internet however. Similarly the text Mr. Atack mentions, _Secret Rituals of the O.T.O._ edited by Francis King can be readily found online to compare variations in the documents.

        In terms of useful secondary material on the Babalon Working, John Carter’s _Sex and Rockets: The Occult World of Jack Parsons_ is one of the better. It does a good job of walking the reader through the O.T.O. methods being used and what the records kept by Parsons/Hubbard indicate in terms of what was taking place.

        Crowley’s dismissal of Parsons and Hubbard wasn’t because they were jumping along his “bridge.” He didn’t have one, and certainly there isn’t one in the O.T.O. system. rather Crowley tended to be very dismissive of everything his California O.T.O. members were doing, as detailed in Martin P. Starr’s _The Unknown God: W. T. Smith and the Thelemites_.

        • An Theta

          Thank you for coming back in a better mood without the attack on Atack and sharing your knowledge.

          • Mark Luskin

            Either Jon knows what I’ve written this already but can’t pass up a chance to imply, knowing it isn’t true, that Hubbard and Parsons were sexual partners, or he doesn’t know it isn’t true after decades of reading this material, which impugns his research tremendously. Either way it gets my hackles up a bit given how much credibility he is given by Scientology Watchers and how blindly his statements are taken as fact.

            • An Theta

              Look at that incredible smile. He looks like a kind and honest man. As LC Spencer says below, this is “not what the OTO is really about” but “what Hubbard took from it.” What would Atack possibly gain from hiding or creating ‘the truth’ as you see it? Mr. Atack’s focus is not on who Hubbard had sex with, but exposing his lies.

              He is likely as passionate and knowledgeable about exposing Scientology as you are about the OTO. And before you question Atack’s research, consider that there are many well-regarded Crowley followers and esoteric experts who openly admit how hard he is to digest. Finally, you cannot say “as fact” that they never had sex. That would be impossible for you to know.

              I thought that perhaps you were trying to take an educate-not-denegrate approach for your follow-up post so don’t make me look bad, and try to keep your hackles down. There are so many cool people here. (and don’t be homophobic, if that is what this is about)

              Note to self: I am so DONE thinking about lrh having sex. DONE. But Jack was hot.

        • Mooser

          Sounds like a big circle jerk to me!

    • An Theta

      The Affirmations of LRH:
      “(b) My mind is still brilliant. My memory unaffected by drugs or experience…
      “(d) That things sexual thrill me…That naked women and pornography excite me greatly…
      “(m) That I have only friendship for Jack Parsons…
      “(o) That I believe in my gods and spiritual things…
      “(p) That nothing can halt my ambitions…
      “(u) That my code is to be all things a “magus” must be…
      “(x) That my magical work is powerful and effective…”
      I interpret (m) ‘only friendship’ as Hubbard willing himself to deny his attraction to Jack while (d) reminds him it’s really the ladies that he’s hot for.

      Not arguing-I am no expert to be sure, but Babalon Working aside, who knows what happened? Not all the magikal ephemera from those days survived. And Crowley was openly bisexual, wasn’t he? Not that there is anything wrong with that. Right?

    • sugarplumfairy

      you lost me at “..the emic reality of crowley’s proposed magicoreligious system thelema…”

      seriously? reality?

      • Mark Luskin
        • sugarplumfairy

          I have no issue with emic.. But in relation to crowley, reality is antipodean..

          • Mooser

            I have no issue with emic..”

            I’m pretty sure he means “emetic”. It’s the only word which makes sense in the context.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol.. If used correctly, Crowley could put Ipecac out of business..

    • An Theta

      http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/02/scientology_and_4.php
      Also Tony has already covered at least some of the details you might be wanting to clarify.

    • Phil de Fontenay

      Wow! Talk about missing the point…

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        No shit, Phil!!!!

        • Phil de Fontenay

          😉

    • 1subgenius

      Please save your energy. Is there going to be a quiz?
      Let me guess: You’re right, he’s wrong.
      Amirite?

    • 1subgenius

      “Hubbard was present during the sexual sessions, relaying the imagery he was seeing, but was not engaged in physical contact with Hubbard during these events.”

    • Mooser

      “The BABALON Working, from start to finish, involved a series of working
      included autoerotic VIII° OTO methods and IX° heteroerotic methods
      towards the creation of a Homonculus as per an article by Crowley and
      fictionalized in his novel _Moonchild_.”

      You just sorta string words together at random, don’t you? Are you trying to impress very impressionable children?

  • ThetaBara

    Thank you, Tony! Hip hip HOORAY!!!
    Also much love to the Bunkerites. This place is awesome, and an amazing resource.

  • Tom Mellett

    Just came across this scholarly article in NUMEN: a journal of the history of religions, entitled

    The Babylon Working 1946: L.Ron Hubbard, Jack Parsons and the Practice of Enochian Magic

    It does refer to the embarrassment the CoS was feeling in 1969 when they tried to deny this aspect of LRH’s past.

    https://www.academia.edu/20431452/The_Babalon_Working_1946_L._Ron_Hubbard_John_Whiteside_Parsons_and_the_Practice_of_Enochian_Magic._Published_in_Numen_International_Review_for_the_History_of_Religions._63_1_pp._12-32

  • Lynette Byrnes

    Right on, Tony! Congratulations. This is like reaching Level OTVIII on the Merchants of Chaos bridge, yes? Thanks for bringing me into this fascinating world of Sci-fi-tology in such STYLE. I’ve been laughing at the cult since volcano ads of 80’s (even at 15 it was obvious to me it was a cult). But now I’m HOOKED on the eye-opening deplorable reality of this Iron Curtain criminal organization. Since “Going Clear” (which brought the sleeping activist in me to life ever since) my family “gets it” but they are satiated that society will eventually take care of it. I know it needs the constant attention you give it to keep us on their hienies on a daily basis. You’ve become my modern-day journalism hero. As a young kid in the late 70’s, I never thought ANYONE could top Woodward & Bernstein for me, but …praise be to the balls of Ben Bradlee…NOW THERE IS TONY ORTEGA! The U.B. – gritty, yet perfectly polished daily, fresh reporting. Ahhhh, breathe it in! Here’s to you Sr. Ortega!