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Shut-Down Scientology Drug Rehab Claiming It’s Full, Says Mother of Insurance Fraud Victim

Mary Morton

Mary Morton

Pete Combs of WSB Radio comes through again. Yesterday, we were both reporting that Scientology’s drug rehab program in the Atlanta area, Narconon Georgia, has worked out a deal with county and state officials which allows the facility to surrender its state license and in return is spared criminal prosecution for credit card or insurance fraud. One person Pete talked to was Mary Morton, whose complaints about the center sparked the criminal investigation to begin with.

Morton told Pete (and we have the audio, below) that when she called Narconon Georgia this week, she was told by executive director Jeannie Trahant that the facility was not taking new patients — not because it was closed, but because it was too full. Combs says he took those statements to Gwinnett County District Attorney Danny Porter who admitted that it sounded like Narconon was violating the spirit of the agreement, and if he found they continued to spread those kinds of lies, it could jeopardize the agreement itself.

Back in the spring, Morton told Atlanta media that after paying full price — $15,000 — for her daughter Emily to attend the drug rehab program, Narconon then began to submit bills to her insurer that totaled more than $160,000. As the state began a criminal probe, other people came forward, and eventually millions of dollars of suspicious billing were found before an April raid of the center by law enforcement officials.

Porter told us yesterday that despite the deal he cut with Narconon Georgia, his investigation is ongoing as his office pores over the thousands of documents taken in the raid, and he may end up charging individuals with wrongdoing. But Mary Morton told Pete how unhappy she is with the deal, and that when she called Narconon Georgia this week, she was told by its executive director, Jeannie Trahant, that it was too full to take new patients.

We have audio of that conversation. “I don’t feel like there’s any repercussions for what they’ve done, from the state,” Mary tells Pete…

 

 
We left a message with Jeannie Trahant at the Narconon Georgia telephone number, which automatically goes to voice mail.

Narconon Georgia attorney Brian McEvoy released this statement: “We are in full compliance of the agreement and will continue to be in compliance with it.”

When Combs asked Porter about what Mary Morton says she was told by Trahant about Narconon Georgia being full, the district attorney said, “It tells me that they may be in violation of at least the spirit of the agreement.”

He acknowledged that there may be some transition period to deal with as the facility closes down. But Trahant should not be misleading the public. “That’s something I would have to discuss with their attorneys,” he told the radio reporter. “I wanted to put them out of business as fast as I could.”

Porter said he intended to get a signed statement from Mary Morton about what she was told. “Then that may be a situation where I’m prepared to withdraw the non-prosecution agreement,” Porter said.

 
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Devon Newman in Court Today

Devon Newman, the woman who was Scientology’s Public Relations director for its Las Vegas Celebrity Centre until she was arrested for taking part in a bizarre plot to kidnap and kill a police officer, was in court today for a preliminary hearing, Nathan Baca tells us.

Baca, who works at KLAS-TV, says Newman was in court as a police officer testified to the plot to kidnap and kill a cop as part of a “Sovereign Citizens” scheme. From Nathan’s description, it sounded like the officer was repeating what we’ve already read in the lengthy arrest report, which we made public earlier. So far, Nathan says no decisions have been made in the case.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 26, 2013 at 17:30

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  • Watergate

    Classic Scientology “solution” — footbullets. Never, never, never say: “We were wrong. We were defeated. We are sorry.”

    Assholes!

  • Nevermore

    I don’t suppose it’s much comfort to Ms Combs that many people aren’t happy about this deal.

  • Sydjazz

    Why even cut a deal with them? They are crooks.

  • Miss Tia

    How many states do they have centers in? ALL need investigated because you know this is happening in all of them! And that agreement was the pits!

  • Sherbet

    Sleazeballs.

  • aquaclara

    wow. writing my letter to Porter now. Bye.

    District Attorney:

    Danny Porter
    770.822.8400
    Danny.Porter@gwinnettcounty.com

  • NeverIn

    Institutionalized pathological lying.

    • And I’m Cute, Too

      As it’s been said here sooooooo many times: “Scientology: Lying Liars Who Lie.”

    • Missionary Kid

      If it’s Scientology, they’re lying – one of the brilliant sayings that one of the Bunkerites came up with.

  • Aslansown

    New operating plan — get people on the phone, tell them this one is full — convince them to send their loved one to another Narconon in another area.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Exactly. And that’s why I didn’t like this deal either. Until and unless there are massive financial fines AND jail time, enough to get national media attention, then management will just do what every criminal business does and weasel out of the rules, changes business cards, names of officers, “official” addresses, phone numbers, shell games, always shell games.

      • Ian

        The track record of Scientology doing this is long. They cut a deal, throw some people under the bus, and claim loudly that the investigation cleared the church of wrongdoing and only found some bad apples – after all, the only charges ever brought were against named individuals! Hell, they even take signed undated resignations for all positions in advance. Hell, even LRH’s wife was thrown under the bus in *exactly* this kind of deal.

        This deal might be the best hand the DA could play, but to anyone with any background, it is obviously exactly the outcome DM wanted. If the civil cases go on, he can settle with the insurers with a non-disclosure clause, and everything is fine. Narconon goes on everywhere else.

        Very sad.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          What’s so damn hard to get through sometimes is that this operation is exactly like drug money scams, but in reverse in the most perverse way, and just as deadly.

          http://i41.tinypic.com/10z1kkm.jpg

      • ze moo

        While Gwinnett County and the State of Georgia may not be going after ‘corporate’ crimes, the FBI and Federal Marshal’s office may be aiming at NarCONon’s entire management. There are 55 or so dues paying NarCONon rehabs in the US. There are supposed to be 107 worldwide. Given the ‘hatting’ of simple Craigslist scams, does anyone think the credit card and insurance scam isn’t in use at other NarCONons? The FTC and FBI aren’t not that stupid, it may take time, but a federal level indictment is still possible.

    • Robert Eckert

      In particular I don’t like the referral to Per Wickstrom’s operation in Battle Creek, Mi (the new disguised name that Mary Morton couldn’t recall is “Forever Recovery”). People have been trying to shut that one down for a while. A friend of mine is a veteran of that place and tells weird stories about it.

  • NeverIn

    “We can’t take any new clients because… because we’re too… too FULL! Yeah, full, that’s the ticket!”

    • Robert Eckert

      Well technically, their legal capacity right now is zero, so if they have zero patients, they’re full!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyp9fh-u4w8

      • Eclipse-girl

        That is the type of logic that $ci-lons use, when they use logic.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          They don’t call it logic. They call it TR-L.

  • Jgg2012

    That’s why they cancelled the Super Powers opening for October 6th–they were too full.

    • 1subgenius

      Paging Yogi: “Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded.

  • Ruby

    Listening to Mary at the end there asking, “why do they get a free pass?”…. Brought tears to my eyes.
    I do believe they will eventually end up paying, but I just wish it was sooner rather than later.
    Thank you for speaking up, Mary. And thanks to Pete as well.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I do not think they will get the free pass now

      • Ruby

        I don’t think so either. I hope for Mary’s sake and others that justice moves faster.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I think we all know just what it is they are “too full” of…!

  • Eclipse-girl

    “Porter said he intended to get a signed statement from Mary Morton about what she was told. “Then that may be a situation where I’m prepared to withdraw the non-prosecution agreement,” Porter said.”

    Maybe Narconon – Georgia will be prosecuted after all.

  • Deeana

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/crime-courts/undercover-officer-testifies-sovereign-citizens-plan-kidnap-kill-cop
    Here’s a link to an article about the morning portion of the hearing taking place today in Las Vegas. Once again, no mention of Newman’s Scientology ties. She is said to be a “grandmother and a paralegal who came to Las Vegas from Las Angeles”.
    Considering that she maintained at least somewhat of a public profile as the Public Relations Director for the Las Vegas Cof$ – she was listed as a member of the Las Vegas Chamber of Commerce – one wonders why her public relations position is not mentioned in any article. AND she was advertising herself for weddings and funerals as an ordained minister with Cof$.

    • Sandy

      good job in the comments, Deeana.

      • Bradley Greenwood

        Pretty birdy…

        • Sandy

          Yeah – but is he spoiled? oh ya

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    It seems the GA prosecutor agreed to the deal as a way of “shutting down” Narconon GA quickly. I imagine Narconon threatened to drag the litigation out for years otherwise. The unspoken issue here is how much of a budget did GA have to prosecute this case as opposed to how much of a budget Narconon had? Narconon agreed to throw the employees under the bus, and the state jumped at that because the state assumed the individuals won’t have the resources to put up a fight.

    Why are we allowing justice to be sold to the highest bidder? The state and federal government no longer prosecute criminals on the basis of what the law demands. Now prosecution decisions are, for the most part, based on how many lawyers and how much money a criminal defendant can throw at a situation. If a criminal defendant is well-heeled, he/she/it often can “out-gun” the government which operates on a strict budget. In a nutshell, justice and the law no longer matter if there is a wealthy defendant. The answer to this is media attention. It is time to end this charade of justice on a budget. Narconon needs to be prosecuted and shut down. I know the prosecutor is getting the raw end of this deal, he did not set out to cheat the citizens of GA out of justice, but that is what is happening. The only way to stop this mess is to put a spotlight on each and every deal, and embarrass the government into doing the right thing.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Cities and states do not have the deep pockets that Co$ does.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Exactly, that is why decisions to prosecute or not prosecute or to take a deal are often made on the basis of how wealthy the criminal defendant is. That is not justice. It is a travesty.

        • Eclipse-girl

          It has been happening for a long time since the start of this nation

          For a short period of time (in the history of humanity) maybe for 100 yrs (18880 – 1980, approx) , Our government was not corporatist. That window appears to be closing.

          CO$, Narconon, IAS, RTC are all corporations. They are the same corporation. I had / have hope that insurance Co and Credit Card Cos would look into the corporate structure of CO$ etc and take them down. They want their money back

          • Robert Eckert

            Don’t kid yourself. The “Gilded Age” of 1880 is when the politicians didn’t even disguise that they were bought by the corporations.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I realize I took it back too far after it was posted. I almost put in a comment about TR being a great anti – corporatist. Perhaps the only one there was.

            • Robert Eckert

              FDR also severely weakened corporate power, although his major accomplishment on this line (establishing the legal right of unions to bargain with the companies– in TR’s day, remember, unions were largely treated as criminal conspiracies) is in tatters now.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I know. TR was first. I really wish he had won re-election with the Bull Moose Party.

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              This blog has the smartest people!

    • Richard Grant

      That is SO true.

      And yet the Church of Scientology may yet manage to defeat itself in this case — because it apparently cannot break the habit of lying, always lying, or making up “shore stories” if you will, even when a simple version of the truth would perfectly suffice.

      “I’m sorry, but we are not accepting new patients at this time.” No lie necessary. I mean Jesus, blame it on the bossa nova. Anything.

      But no. Something in the COS genome seems to default to lying, in every imaginable situation.

      • richelieu jr

        Exactly, Richard.

        This is the root of everything with them and the solution

        to every problem, another lie.

        Didn’t work?

        Lie again, like bigger.

        • Eclipse-girl

          more foot bullets are on the way

    • InterestedObserver12

      I absolutely agree. Forget fully funded government healthcare – give us a fully funded justice system.

    • Robert Eckert

      The “treble damages” provision in RICO was designed to give private plaintiffs (here, the insurance companies) the incentive to pick up the slack of bringing down large complicated corrupt organizations, in cases where prosecutors, because of the budget constraints you emphasize (JohnP has pointed to this important factor before), are wary of getting tied down in court for years. Some things only the state can do, however: getting Narconon to shut down immediately was one of them, and the DA thought he was at least getting that.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Ten -twenty years ago, the government’s budget constraints were not as serious, and large corporations were more routinely prosecuted. Ask yourself, how many Enrons has the government prosecuted recently? How many large corporations have been identified as wrong doers in the last ten years but have not been prosecuted? Answer: many.

        Unfortunately, there is no private, civil substitute for government enforcement of the law. While civil RICO looks good on paper, as do the False Claims Act, and other treble damages statutes, they are rarely successful in court. Also, although the False Claims Act has a higher success rate, that rate is related to whether the government agrees to stand in for the relator (the civil plaintiff). No private, civil litigation can really take the place of government prosecution.

        Further, if the health insurers and credit card companies are forced to bear the burden of the cost of litigation against Narconon, the other insureds and other credit card users, i.e., the consumers, will ultimatly pay the cost. I undertand why the GA prosecutor did what he did, but it is not enough. When citizens are told they can rely on private, civil litigation for “justice,” they are being led astray. Private civil litigation, even more than the government, is constrained by budget concerns. The big health insurers and credit card compnies will settle faster than the government did especially if there is a hint that the defendant has financial problems. Moreover, it is a fairy tale that all attorneys are wealthy and are able to bear the risk of contingency cases. More and more law firms are in trouble, and fewer and fewer attorneys are able to risk large scale contingency cases.

        Criminals have to be prosecuted by the government. What kind of justice system is it if serious crooks, like Narconon, can steal millions of dollars and not worry about their future? Moreover, Narconon might even be able to walk away from this GA situation with very little damage. While its general liability insurer is not required to pay for the lawyers to defend the company against criminal charges, generally, the insurer may have to pay for the defense in a civil matter
        (like it did in the Desmond case). At the end of the day, a handful of Narconon employees, who probably never received minimum wage and probably worked sweat shop hours, will go to jail because Miscavige will dump all the blame on them. Meanwhile, Miscavige and company gets to set up shop in another state while waiting 12 months to re-open in Georgia. Everyone walks away happy except the victims of Narcon, the poor schlub-scape goats who are in jail, and the U. s. citizenry that no longer has a working justice system.

        • Robert Eckert

          Very well said.

        • joan nieman

          How very depressing. What is needed is an overhaul on the entire justice system. There must be some clause somewhere that can be used against them, Who gets away with fraud under the disguise of a church with no medical background or any other expertise for that matter. Why do they walk away with a slap on the hand. The deaths in Narconon alone is a crime in itself. Then comes the fraud. Negligence etc. etc. It’s just so hard to accept that this so called religion can continue to lie and lie and lie!

    • Drat

      “Now prosecution decisions are, for the most part, based on how many lawyers and how much money a criminal defendant can throw at a situation.”

      Ironically, Hubbard said much the same thing about 50 years ago.

  • Tone

    The more they try to make it go right, the wronger it gets. Epic hubbardtek fail.

  • Ideal Borg Bunkerite

    Crazy Bones Jones Mrs Newman was licensed to perform Scientology weddings? I gather they’re just like regular weddings except that you sign an authorization to deduct funds from your bank account instead of a marriage license.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Narconon Georgia is too full and is not accepting new patients so please don’t bother calling.

    Super Power is too full and is not accepting new students so please don’t bother calling.

    Flag is too full and is not accepting new preclears so don’t bother calling.

    What you can do is donate money today, right now, to reserve:

    * A bed in Narconon Georgia

    * An Oiliness Table in Super Power

    * An auditor at Flag

    All facilities are on a “first come first served” basis so donate today to ensure your place in line.

    And yes, Fleet Admiral David Micavige will be speaking at graduation tomorrow night at Flag. Be sure to show up early to get a seat!

    Thank you Sir!

    http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/FADM11_zpsae7057c5.png

    • Eclipse-girl

      I am surprised he can even walk with that many fake medals on his chest.

    • D.Y.G.

      I’m really digging the “modern dictator” costume.

    • ze moo

      While the face is Davey’s, the actual uniform and medals are from a Russian Admirals actual uniform. It is apparent that Russia does not use metal detectors……

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        NO ZE MOO NO!

        The Russians copied COB! The Russians even tried to steal our Tech back in 1952!

    • Ms. B. Haven

      This is what is so irritating about scientology. There has ALWAYS been such an overwhelming demand for services from the public that us regular people can’t even find a parking place within a half mile of any org or mission on any given day. Please sir, when is the RTC going to make the tech available to those of us who really want their bridge more than anything else in the world. I’d stand outside the course room and study in the hallway if there was even room there. Auditing? Forget it, the lines are way too long. I’d join the Sea Org but there were those little experiments with LSD back in the 60s that keep me from being eligible. Besides that, I hear that there is little room left for more staff because every scientologist wants to be on the winning team that is doing something about the dreadful conditions on this dirt clod we call home. With this incredible demand for services, I bet that the registrars have just about the easiest jobs around. What I would REALLY like right now is a seat at this Friday’s Flag Graduation. Just a chance to be in the same room with Him and hear about the latest expansion news would be like getting an entire intensive. I bet he has a lot to talk about tomorrow and I won’t be there to get it first hand. I’ll be like all of the other DBs and have to get the scoop from Tony Orgega.

  • Kevin Woolard

    Still not convinced that there is a clear public commitment to cleaning this up. Until such time as someone is prepared to grasp that, behind the legalistic facades, the only reality is Dave+minions, they’ll be back – another year, another name …

    • Eclipse-girl

      However if the case does proceed and take years to pursue, it will keep DM enterbulated

      • Kevin Woolard

        Yes, I draw some comfort from that …

  • PinxEngrayz

    Just for grins, i called the Narconon Georgia number I found online.

    I asked first, “Are you a 12-step group?” The woman said no, then started asking questions. I said I wanted to be anonymous.

    She asked about my addiction, I said “Kinda everything.”

    But then she really zeroed in on the funding questions, asking, “Do you want privately funded, or government funded?” Trying to sound slightly stoned, I asked, “What’s that mean?” She said, “Privately funded means you would pay $20,000 to $30,000. Government funded means free.”

    I gave my best not-really-wasted-but-sorta-burned chuckle and said, “Well I guess free then.”

    “Here is a toll-free number for you to call for government-funded programs.”

    Then she hung up.

    And all I really wanted to ask was if Narconon Georgia was full.

    • aquaclara

      Beautiful call, even if you got brushed off at the end.

    • Robert Eckert

      When you said “I guess free” you needed instead to ask “Would insurance cover that?” and then you would have gotten the spiel.

    • PinxEngrayz

      You’re surely right, Robert Eckert. I did this on the fly.

      But I may try again from another number and a different tack.

      I think we should get a ton of people to start doing the same, see if we can’t catch them with their pants down.

    • An easy way to ask would have been the direct question: “I heard that Narconon Georgia is full, is this right?”

    • aquaclara

      But again, important. No one said they were closed. Thank you.

    • joan nieman

      Money talks…b.s walks. It’s all about the money. The money is their god.

  • stillgrace

    “Combs says he took those statements to Gwinnett County District Attorney Danny Porter who admitted that it sounded like Narconon was violating the spirit of the agreement, and if he found they continued to spread those kinds of lies, it could jeopardize the agreement itself.”

    Delicious!!!!

    • aquaclara

      already sent my note to the DA, but I should have added that they CAN send someone over there right now to cut the phone lines, remove the phones, disconnect the number directly, and then add cell phone surveillance of all incoming and outgoing calls. Oh, and add a nanny cam in the office.

      • Minion Gayle

        And NetNanny to the computers.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          hahahaha

        • aquaclara

          how could I forget the netnannies???

          • Minion Gayle

            I’m sure you would have remembered it.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I wish every legal firm that has to deal with scientology was well versed on Sociopaths in Business. You don’t leave wiggle room, not an inch, and you don’t leave vague orders and certainly not anything on good faith premises. Know that these types do Not learn from bad experiences, have no sense of empathy or responsibility and that includes following laws.

        Whether it is money or power or some other driving force, do not assume for a moment that caring about other people or groups welfare or best interests has anything to do with it. Some can be extremely cruel for amusement, others simply so careless to not even notice the destruction and trail of human misery they leave in their trail.

        Scientology isn’t just a criminal organization. It’s a sadistic, psychotic war machine.

        • aquaclara

          Such a great analysis. This is the part that we have to help them learn. The ramp up time hurts us on this side of the war.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I would think that lawyers would be well educated on this type because they must run across a lot of their victims.

    • Robert Eckert

      “if he found they continued”? Seems like they did not have another free bite of the apple coming.

  • Sherbet

    Tony, be sure to let us know what Trahant says when she gets back to you. (Insert snark indicators as desired.)

    • SandiCorrena

      she must have caller ID

      • Eclipse-girl

        He can call from a new disposable cell. TO is an INVESTIGATIVE reporter

        • SandiCorrena

          yes of course your right

  • SLIM

    My goodness…It never stops…
    The cherch of the loopholes and lies…
    Sickening how they seem to dodge some foot nukes…
    Found this old golden turd of propaganda on Dianetics…
    At the end is a ad for Narconon…Which the cherch has nothing to do with…
    Do any exe’s recognize these people?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM1yR-0hU6c

    • Robert Eckert

      Skip to 43:50 for LRH’s amazing development of Study Tech (the {only} weapon against illiteracy) and Narconon (the {only} cure for drug addiction).

    • Sarah James

      I love cherch, hope you don’t mind, I want to spell it that way from now on. I never thought they were a church and this takes care of my dilemma.

    • ze moo

      They seem to have mastered the ‘walking quickly with purpose’ that employs extras in movie crowd scenes.

      • SLIM

        Yup!
        That’s why these extra’s are all movie stars now..

    • Captain Howdy

      Good stuff. Thanks, now I can practice dianutty at home with the cats. I’m guessing the folks in the vid are actors.

      • L. C. Spencer

        And are those Larry Anderson’s dulcet narrative tones I hear? Can’t be sure, but it sounds like him!

        • Captain Howdy

          I don’t think so and I don’t think it’s Jeff Pomerantz either.

    • L. C. Spencer

      Oh, there’s that pesky unlicensed practice of medicine again!

  • anonymous

    Done.

    Dear Mr. Porter,

    I’ve been following the Narconon saga in Atlanta Georgia for some time now. On the one hand I’m relieved that their operation has been shut down there – thank you for the work you’ve done in that.

    But on the other hand, it does seem like a free pass to such a duplicitous organization. I can’t even fathom this latest news about the Executive Director telling a prospective client (albeit under false pretenses), that not only is Narconon Georgia STILL IN BUSINESS – Narconon Georgia is THRIVING – NO ROOM FOR ANYMORE PATIENTS RIGHT NOW!

    Don’t you find it incredible? It’s totally unacceptable.

    PLEASE – at the very least make them take down that number and that address so that NOONE can contact the remainder of this snake pit through the Narconon Georgia contact information.

    At best, please prosecute individuals responsible for the fraud AND dissolve the agreement to not prosecute the organization. Send a message that this MUST STOP and that you WILL NOT tolerate it anymore. Please.

    Thank you for your time.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    I am scared of Mary Morton! Tough woman.

  • BananaSplits8

    “Combs says he took those statements to Gwinnett County District Attorney
    Danny Porter who admitted that it sounded like Narconon was violating
    the spirit of the agreement“

    Bitch, please. Really.

    • Robert Eckert

      Yeah, I’m starting to see the DA more with your jaundiced eye than I was earlier.

  • Mary_McConnell

    Mary Morton is one tough cookie! Porter could learn a few tricks form her, lol

    • Bradley Greenwood

      As with all women… I am scared of her; Mary Morton could probably bite the head off Karin Pouw, and spit it at COB “Moonface”. 😉 I went car shopping last night, picked-out a nice car… my wife ended that manly sojourn in a hurry. Women: Obey them…it makes thing go smoothly. Learn that, DM.

      • Mary_McConnell

        LOL!

      • Eclipse-girl

        Sir, you are a smart man.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    Has the Stupor Power building even been “outfitted” yet? Anyone see the oiliness table slide in?

  • Captain Howdy

    Full of beans, full of prunes, full of shit, FULL OF IT!

    Scientologists lie more than the junkies I’ve known.

    • SLIM

      So true…
      I would rather hang with Junkies [and have]
      Then spend any time with active $ciloons…

  • GlibWog

    ***** Tony Clean up in Aisle One****

    Didn’t know if you wanted to know.. But there is a gentleman in the last thread.. who is calling for you.. Didn’t want you to pas it by..

    So far it’s just me and espi.. and you can imagine..

    The Gentleman is Joe Isuzu So just click on my avi.. and it will take you to it.. Glibby…

    • aquaclara

      ignore the troll. Espi sent him on his way.

      • GlibWog

        OKEy Dokey.. I thought maybe Tony knew him..

        *****NEVER MIND****

        I hope Tony doesn’t yell at me.. He is always Readin Me bout somethin..( tee hee..)

        • Eclipse-girl

          The only time I ever saw TO warn someone was yesterday when that person put up a second post about using violence on the cult.

          I can’t believe that you have ever had TO warn you about your behavior.

    • 1subgenius

      FYI: Tony’s email is posted if anyone really wants to reach him. Rather easy.

      • GlibWog

        Yes Dad

        hahahhahahaha

        • 1subgenius

          BTW, it’s done. See prior thread, if you can find it.

          • GlibWog

            Off to look…………thanks Sub

    • ReneeG

      Yes, Joe Isuzu posted his Tony smear in TWO comment sections. I think his MO is that he was trying to be the last post so it came out FIRST when you read the comments (if you have newest selected). I think he/she is also trying to go “under the radar” and hope we just won’t notice he’s posted this crap.

      • GlibWog

        Oh Yeah.. makes sense Renee… and big mouth me..hahahhahahhaha

    • Sherbet

      Wasn’t the original (TV ad) Joe Isuzu supposed to be a huge liar? That was his schtick, right? Hmmm…methinks the troll chose the wrong name to be taken seriously.

  • richelieu jr

    Colour me SO not surprised.

    Even when The WIFE of LRH plead guilty and stipulated dozens of pages of crimes (in other words, they couldn’t possibly have got caught any more red handed, even SCIENTOLOGISTS had to admit they had done wrong) they still managed to sell it as ‘Using xerox paper for unauthorized photocopies.’

    Thee judges need to understand what sort of organization they are dealing with. It is never, never NEVER just a bunch of ‘bad apples’ with Scientology. It is an Apple Blight factory that does nothing by make bad apples and infect ones that are already OK.

    Any given Scientologist (non executives, that is) maybe an alright person. It’s the ‘alright’ part that get hooked on the lies… The organization on the other hand, and the whole core philosophy and program is an evil, cancerous, life destroying, psychosis inducing, family destroying, mother, father, son, daughter killing, minority persecuting, lying, anti democratic, neo Stalinien, mouth which exist only to feed itself and try and grow..

    In its death throws it will only get more dangerous.

    Kill it, pull up the roots and destroy any off shoots like you would metastasizing cancer.

    • joan nieman

      Oh! Yeah!! I agree fully. Destroy the virus!

  • Eclipse-girl

    Here is My email to Mr Porter

    Hello Mr Porter,

    I have been following this case for a while.

    I was disappointed that the State of Georgie decided not to prosecute the corporation and go after individuals instead. My fear is that those who are behind Narconon will open up new rehab facilities under a different name. The crimes will be repeated and not discovered until more people die.

    What is the state of Georgia doing to prevent that?

    I learned today that when Ms Mary Morton made a phone call to Narconon – Georgia she was told it was full, and then referred to use a different Narconon Facility in a different state. I believe this is not allowed under the agreement you made with Narconon – Georgia when you agreed to drop prosecution against the corporation.

    Will you please reconsider your decision not to prosecute the corporation?

    Thank you for your time,

    • Aslansown

      Excellent email.

      • Eclipse-girl

        You have to do yours, too.

        • Aslansown

          You’re right — I will.

    • The problem is that the phone call was not recorded. I doubt Morton gets very far with her story.

      • Eclipse-girl

        If you listen, Mary Morton does claim to have a tape from a person who called her.

        I agree she did not get other stuff she needed on tape.

  • ze moo

    A scientologist who lies about things for their purposes? What’s so special about that? A NarCONon that is ‘too full’ to take patients will try to send them to another NarCONon? That’s just marketing. Georgia, grow a pair and take the handcuffs off the shelf and put them to work.

  • Synthia Fagen

    Too full of shit.

    • Espiando

      Sindy, you should know better than anyone that Scientology’s well of shit is bottomless. And very, very stinky.

      • aquaclara

        Espiando, we have need of some Anon treats….Can you take a screen grab of this and put it someplace safe. Oh, and tell the DA. their website is still up. http://www.narconon.org/drug-rehab/centers/georgia-rehab-recovery.html

        • aquaclara

          District Attorney:

          Danny Porter
          770.822.8400
          Danny.Porter@gwinnettcounty.com

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          They still have it up? Jezuz. This is an organization that shuts down entire international projects overnight without skipping a beat. Or disappearing any one they don’t like. They are the Last group anywhere that anyone should think “needs more time”.

        • Espiando

          There’s a lovely little extension for Chrome that does the job nicely. I got a screen shot of the entire front page and of the Norcross-specific one. If that hadn’t worked, I had a few other programs that would do the job.

          These bitches are now officially busted.

          • Aslansown

            I don’t know anything about how to do this….will it show the date that you captured it?

            • Espiando

              It won’t show it, but it’s in the metadata of the capture. It’s very difficult to edit metadata.

  • WhereIsSHE

    Per paragraph 2 of the NDA, NNGA agreed to surrender it’s license “[u]pon execution of this Agreement”.
    Jeannie Trahant signed the NDA on September 9, 2013.
    THAT WAS WEEKS AGO.

    And all Potter can manage, when informed that Trahart and her underling are currently telling a Georgia resident that the facility is “full”, and not that is it “no longer licensed” or “no longer an operating concern”, is that “it may be a violation of at least the spirit of the agreement”???

    No, Mr. Potter.
    It is a violation of LAW. Period.
    If they have surrendered their license in accordance with the requirements of the Agreement, how can they CLAIM to not be able to take a new “patient” for the reason that they are “full”?
    Clearly they are illegally holding themselves out as an active, LICENSED treatment facility.

    • aquaclara

      Your letter will be far, far better than mine was. Hope you tell him. Great stuff.

      • WhereIsSHE

        I am starting to wonder about the Gwinnet County District Attorney’s office.
        Do they have much experience in prosecuting white collar crimes, for instance?
        The complexity of such cases may be a factor here.
        Perhaps Mr. Potter does not feel his office is up to the task. Or perhaps he puts little faith in the citizens of Gwinnet County to understand the financial evidence. (I’m poking him here, because while most white collar crimes involve complex and difficult to explain/comprehend business transactions, in this case, it could not be easier to present the evidence.)

        He says he just wanted them shut down, ASAP.
        Well, you know what would have cut off their in-flow of patients ASAP??
        How about CRIMINAL PROSECUTION FOR RIPPING OFF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SENDING THEIR LOVED ONES THERE and/or RIPPING OFF THE MEDICAL INSURERS OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SENDING THEIR LOVED ONES THERE?
        And then… you could still get their license revoked, see to it that the appropriate individuals served time, and secure huge fines.

        People of Gwinnet County need to express their anger about this to their DA.

        EDIT: MARY MORTON is singlehandedly doing more than the Gwinnet County DA.

        • aquaclara

          I sent this to Espiando to see if he could take a screen grab and also keep it someplace safe, oh and send out. Wouldn’t this be more evidence that they haven’t stopped marketing at all???? It’s their website, still running. http://www.narconon.org/drug-r

          • Robert Eckert

            I saved in chunks (I am not the most tech-savvy) screen grabs of this subpage (the one that is specifically Narconon of Georgia)

            http://www.narconon.org/drug-rehab/georgia/

            • aquaclara

              You I love. Just love. Thank you! Espi picked a fine time to go to dinner.

            • Espiando

              Don’t worry, my dinner included a full serving of sauce. Captured and saved.

            • Espiando

              And since I wouldn’t be a good Anon unless I had dox…

            • Casabeca

              Brilliant Espi!

            • Sherbet

              Casabeca, haven’t seen you around much lately. Welcome back.

            • stateofcircle

              Speaking of MIA posters, where has FistOfXenu been? I miss them.

            • Robert Eckert

              FOX warned us he would be out in the boonies with little or no wifi for a while.

            • aquaclara

              Thank you. This is why we love you.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Did you get this one? It includes a testimonial from the Mayor of Atlanta!

              http://www.drugsno.com/

            • aquaclara

              Robert, I am going to try to put all the good factual stuff I see here in a written, expedited letter to the DA in the morning. My earlier email did not capture all this stuff. Who should I copy, besides tony and the radio station? Gov? Legislators? Insurance commish?

            • Robert Eckert

              If you have the insurance commissioner’s address, that would be good. I don’t know that either the governor or anybody in the legislature would be quite to the point right now.

            • aquaclara

              I can find that address – no problem. Thanks. There is a lot to say- I will work on it in the morning. Tks.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Here’s another, still up and running. Scroll down to see the testimonial from the Mayor of Atlanta!

            http://www.drugsno.com/

            • Douglas D. Douglas

            • Poison Ivy

              Ugh.

            • Robert Eckert

              I wonder just how many officials they have jollied into these photo-ops and endorsements. It is a reflection of how mindless our War on Drugs has become: I am sure the mayor (and those legislators, and whoever else) didn’t need to hear anything from them except “Drugs bad!” and they were eager to be seen to be on the “Drugs bad!” side.

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfT7K7WNpdQ

          • AintMizBahavin

            im not a ex member but im going to call them and see what excuse they give me to see if they give me the same story or something different.. as a recovering addict this makes me sick….. i’ve been clean since 95 but everyday its hell to stay that way without NOT getting the professional help needed to maintain that way

          • Guest

            Im going to call them and see what they say. im not a ex cos member but it will be interesting to see what story i get……

        • Aslansown

          I wonder if one of their good ones left a few years ago and now is representing scientology in this case — Brian McEvoy.

          This is what it says on his website:

          In 2004, Mr. McEvoy joined the United States Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of Georgia in Savannah. During his service as a federal prosecutor, he represented the United States in criminal matters involving bank fraud, mail and wire fraud, health care fraud, ….

          In 2007, Mr. McEvoy received special commendation … for his work prosecuting Health Care Fraud matters. In 2008, he was named as the District’s Health Care Fraud Coordinator and started the District’s first Health Care Fraud Task Force.

          • Robert Eckert

            See Still_On_Your_Side’s anguished rants on this topic: prosecutor’s offices are seriously underfunded all over the country, giving white-collar criminals a monetary edge. I have no doubt that McEvoy makes a much better living in the defendants’ bar.

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              Oh dear, I guess I will have to change my name to Still on Your Side, the Anguished Ranter.

            • Missionary Kid

              Call yourself anything you want. I appreciate your input.

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              Thank you MK,

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          If he doesn’t have experience in prosecuting white collar crime, he should have brought in a consultant. Government agencies do that all the time. If he didn’t know what he was doing, he could also have requested another prosecutor be brought in from a larger, more sophisticated jurisdiction. This also happens all the time. He has no excuse for allowing this case to get so far out of control.

          • joan nieman

            Oh! I so agree with you side.

        • joan nieman

          It makes one wonder what really is going on? Why are they always above the law? What secret bribes are hidden? It is despicable to say the least!

        • Poison Ivy

          Yep, with CO$ you have to go after the money. Cripple their money inflow and they pay attention – but ONLY then do they pay attention.

        • Dean Fox

          Might be the DA is thinking of the budget, max benefit & min cost with the objective of closing them down. The DA office’s problem is they’re not use to dealing with the devil. They thought they were closing them down and operationally they have but what has happened is that Narconon Georgia has become a facade to attract trade to other facilities, “We’re full (awesomely successful) but our affiliates in have some spaces left if you’re quick.”.

          There will be an argument now about advertising not mentioned in the deal, we turned over our license but you never said we had to take down the signs and close up shop. Not knowing the local law I have no idea if false advertising would apply; even then there is a jurisdiction issue because adverts on the web could still point to Narconon Georgia but on enquiry, the 800 number being routed to wherever (India?), people will be told it’s too full, big waiting list but we might have a space at so and so.

          The trick with dealing with the church of scientology is to think of every single wriggle move you can think of and assume they’ve thought of at least one more. In short don’t negotiate.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thank You!

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Thank you for getting to the heart of the matter! Imagine a sex offender who signs a plea agreement, then shows up at an elementary school. Did he violate the “spirit” of the agreement, or the law? Will the prosecutor hem and haw about it? No? Why not? Are Narconon’s victims not worth protecting?

      • EnthralledObserver

        What this behaviour is akin to is that sex-offender spying a helpless potential victim and calling up his sex-offender mate and tipping him off to the location of the potential victim – it is conspiring to offend!

    • Casabeca

      Can we get an AMEN!

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        amen!

        • Casabeca

          Halleluja! Btw I love your new name. J & D is awesome, but there is power in stating what you are working and hoping for.

      • Robert Eckert
        • Casabeca

          Beautiful!

      • SLIM

        rAMEN?

        • WhereIsSHE

          “On the seventh day of floating around infinite nothingness, after six days of rest, the FSM said, ‘Let there be a Universe, or something!’ And there was a Universe, or something not terribly far off. And the FSM saw that it was pretty damn good, especially the bits with a light sauce.”—the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

          Eight Commandments (“I’d really rather you didn’t”s)

          Pastafarians believe that the Great Captain Mosey was given ten stone tablets with various commandments on them, called the Ten “I’d really rather you didn’t”s. Captain Mosey brought them down from Mount Salsa, however, due to him having one (or five) too many swigs of grog, he accidentally dropped two of them. The following was what was on the other eight tablets.
          1. I’d Really Rather You Didn’t Act Like A Sanctimonious Holier-Than-Thou Ass When Describing My Noodly Goodness. If Some People Don’t Believe In Me, That’s Okay. Really, I’m Not That Vain. Besides, This Isn’t About Them So Don’t Change The Subject.
          2. I’d Really Rather You Didn’t Use My Existence As A Means To Oppress, Subjugate, Punish, Eviscerate, And/Or, You Know, Be Mean To Others. I Don’t Require Sacrifices, And Purity Is For Drinking Water, Not People.
          3. I’d Really Rather You Didn’t Judge People For The Way They Look, Or How They Dress, Or The Way They Talk, Or, Well, Just Play Nice, Okay? Oh, And Get This Through You Thick Heads: Woman=Person, Man=Person. Samey-Samey. One is Not Better Than The Other, Unless We’re Talking About Fashion And I’m Sorry, But I Gave That To Women And Some Guys Who Know The Difference Between Teal And Fuchsia.
          4. I’d Really Rather You Didn’t Indulge In Conduct That Offends Yourself, Or Your Willing, Consenting Partner Of Legal Age AND Mental Maturity. As For Anyone Who Might Object, I Think The Expression Is Go F*** Yourself, Unless They Find That Offensive In Which Case They Can Turn Off The TV For Once And Go For A Walk For A Change.
          5. I’d Really Rather You Didn’t Challenge The Bigoted, Misogynist, Hateful Ideas Of Others On An Empty Stomach. Eat, Then Go After The B*******.
          6. I’d Really Rather You Didn’t Build Multi-Million-Dollar Churches/Temples/Mosques/Shrines To My Noodly Goodness When The Money Could Be Better Spent (Take Your Pick): A. Ending Poverty B. Curing Diseases C. Living In Peace, Loving With Passion, And Lowering The Cost Of Cable. I Might Be A Complex Carbohydrate Omniscient Being, But I Enjoy The Simple Things In Life. I Ought To Know. I AM The Creator.
          7. I’d Really Rather You Didn’t Go around Telling People I Talk To You. You’re Not That Interesting. Get Over Yourself. And I Told You To Love Your Fellow Man, Can’t You Take A Hint?
          8. I’d Really Rather You Didn’t Do Unto Others As You Would Have Them Do Unto You If You Are Into, Um, Stuff That Uses Alot Of Leather/Lubrication/Las Vegas. If The Other Person Is Into It However (Pursuant To #4), Then Have At It, Take Pictures. And For The Love Of Me, Wear A CONDOM! Honestly It’s A Piece Of Rubber, If I Didn’t Want It To Feel Good When You Did It I Would Have Added Spikes, Or Something.

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      This is even worse than I would have imagined. I thought yesterday the agreement seemed rather wimpy, but would not have ever imagined they would keep up the phone line and web page for weeks and just use it for referrals.

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Free minds, Free hearts, CAN’T LOSE!

    • Bed Man Okc

      Right – now who can you prosecute that will allow for the end of Sientology………??????? Sorry – this is great – but nothing can really be done. Get a couple of soldiers whule the Captains and Boss are sitting well and securely separate from this disaster.

      Again, who ya gonna send to jail, that deserves it?

      • narCONon Int. We have already established that a narCONon in another state is involved, so this is clearly (sorry!) a federal matter. narCONon Int is the head of all the individual state narCONons. narCONon Int has an office in the same office complex as which other corporations?

  • richelieu jr

    Unless it is the ORGANIZATION that is on trial, it’s crimes rooted out and the tentacles of Hubbardism uncovered, exposed to sunlight and ridicule on a national level, then all you’ll get is a bunch of crooked Scientologists (the other types are ex-Scientologists and dead ones. Even the nice, well-meaning ones we know and love are guilty of lying to themselves and refusing to read and learn) in the clink with all the money long gone up a funnel so DM can use some extinct animal as lube on his solid gold sit-and-spin.

    The problem isn’t that a few miscreants cooke dupa snake-oil sca, it’s that few fools had their morality removed or bought off by a huge organization that wants to remove money from desperate people at any cost, even if it is in lives. Cut off a tentacle and it’l grow back or leave a secretary to refer you to another one.

    It’s like trying to take down the mob by breaking up Morrie’s Tuesday poker game. Morrie does time and it all moves next door to Dorrie’s for the duration.

    It’s all in a day’s work for ‘StupidMan’!

  • media_lush

    whatever scientology’s petards are they’re hoisting in turbo overdrive and seem to be accelerating

  • kickingit101

    For anyone that wants a laugh check out the latest cry baby response Kirstie Alley has about Leah being on DWTS. http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/09/kirstie-alley-angry-leah-remini-on-dwts-feels-betrayed/

    • Eclipse-girl

      paraphrasing the prior thread :

      I did not realize the all DTWS had to allow KA to vet all the contestants.

    • I still don’t understand the “we could care less” part. Why does the cult not correct the mistake? So they really mean it?
      I guess they only correct it internally to show the members how perverted the outer world is. Cult: “This is another evidence that all reporters are SPs! They build in such typos on purpose to make us wrong. Because they subconsciously know that WE are the authorities of the mind.”

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        It was discussed that this is a colloquial phrase. I am very familiar with it.

        • Aha, ok. But using a colloquial phrase not smart at all. Ron said to not create MUs when talking to wogs. This causes them to go down the tone scale.
          My teacher would have said: Documented stupidity.

    • Sarah James

      Thanks that was fun.

      • SLIM

        And you used Cherch….
        Yay….You go girl…

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The discussion thread on this item is BRUTAL. CoS has totally lost control over every aspect of PR these days. There is nobody home.

      • Aslansown

        I know – I was just over there. The best thing the “church” could do is tell Kirstie to stop talking.

        • Ruby

          Of course that would be the best thing. However, Kirstie is doing what David Miscavige himself really wants to do, but can’t. So this way, he can have her do it and then throw her under the bus for it when it serves.
          Does that make sense? Well…as far as the sense of Miscavige and Kirstie are concerned…

          • peakofelephants

            “However, Kirstie is doing what David Miscavige himself really wants to do, but can’t”

            Wear plus-size women’s clothing?

      • Robert Eckert

        I was going to add some Bunkerish comments but I see there is little need.

  • BananaSplits8

    Mr. Potter, do you qualify shaken baby syndrome deaths as “mistaken diaper changing priorities”?

    Something tells me such a thing would not be beneath you.

  • whingeybingey

    Well, this is a good start to your new leaf, Narconon! Brilliant as ever, I see!

  • Miss Tia

    my email to Mr. Porter (and yes, my legal name IS Miss Tia)

    District Attorney Porter:

    With all due respect Sir, I am very disappointed with the agreement your fine State came to with Narconon. Especially with the troubling reports coming to light today that they are telling people they are “too full” to take new patients instead of saying closed.

    I have no doubt at all of your sincerity and integrity of wanting them closed swiftly and in wanting to pursue charges against individuals involved–if your investigation warrants that. Though I must express that Narconon is a small branch of the giant Scientology tree that actually teaches it is okay to lie if it serves their purposes. They look upon rules and laws in what they call the “wog world” with disdain.

    Of course Narconon gleefully accepted your deal. What will happen though is that they will uproot that tree and plant it elsewhere, perhaps give it another name; but it WILL BE replanted in Georgia. How many souls lost is too many? We can perhaps shrug off the loss of money–though if it’s tax funded medicaid, state employment insurance, etc that is tax payer’s money that has been abused. But can YOU shrug off the loss of lives?

    Justice should be blind but this is not a court room. Please investigate Narconon fully. Look online and see
    what is happening in other states and countries at Narconons. Perhaps a federal agency should be brought in? But PLEASE consider prosecuting Narconon and dropping the agreement. It was a disservice to justice, even though I have no doubt your intentions were well meant for your community.

    Sincerely,
    Miss Tia

    • Unex Skcus

      Well done, Miss Tia. Your email is well-written, polite, and to the point.

      • Miss Tia

        Thank you!

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Very well said. Honey catches more flies than vinegar…

      • Miss Tia

        Thanks! I always try to be courteous and polite in my letters and emails! Now tweets–uh, I let my inner snark come out! 🙂

        • Aslansown

          Yeah — your tweets are hilarious!

          • Miss Tia

            Thanks! I gotta expand my tweet to circle I think (well aside from @scientology every day and I think the LA FBI office is now on my permanent tweet list! 🙂

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          I love your tweets!

          • Miss Tia

            Thanks! 🙂

    • Kangaroo

      Have others here already found that Narconon is still advertising that it has a Georgia license? See here: http://narcononworks.com/narconon-licenses/ It’s outrageous that Scientology keeps getting away with breaking the law. Over and over again…..in matters like this and other things too.

      • Robert Eckert

        Red-handed! Screen-grabbed.

      • Miss Tia

        They do it again and again and again. That why I think a FEDERAL agency needs to go after these __________s (I really can’t think of the right word now, so fill in your own! 🙂 There are suits against narconons in other states and in Canada. The same thing. They have destroyed so many lives, not just financially, but in the ultimate way—taking LIVES from vibrant people by their negligence in their desire for MONEY. How could anyone live with themselves knowing their ineptitude and negligence caused a person’s death? And then narconon (CO$) tosses ’em under a bus. And if you SURVIVE narconon you’ll find you’ve been subjected to the beginnings of CO$ brainwashing–taking advantage of people in those conditions.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          I know Miss Tia. It’s unconscionable. Truly.

          • Miss Tia

            Unconscionable sums it up very well!

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Very well-written letter, Miss Tia. Mine was not as polite.

      • Miss Tia

        Thanks! I know it’s difficult to be polite at times—believe me, I yell a lot at the monitor or think a lot of things, then I can type ‘nice’. 😀 Sometimes an impassioned not as polite email can get a better response because it’ll really catch their attention.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    So, Narconon, the scientology drug rehabilitation business operation in Georgia gives up it’s license, but still has an active telephone number, lies by omission to a prospective client searching for a local Georgia facility, and then sends them off to other Narconon setups for recruitment in other states.

    Unless I am mistaken, this is illegally operating. They don’t want to give up the income stream so they try to get the person to sign up with some other Narconon operation while claiming they are “full”, even though that very same person signed the Non Prosecution Agreement just weeks ago and knows they surrendered their license and cannot operate AT ALL.

    This is the “Acceptable Truth” and the “Shore story” in action. It is what they do. They always have some slippery internal interpretation of a law or regulation they have broken that they can use to justify business as usual. An ‘agreement’ with a scientologist is never binding. They always internally think of ways around it. Or just outright break it.

    Lying is a scientology sacrement.

    This woman called WEEKS later, right? So how many people calling Narconon of Georgia’s number have been sent out of state? How much money has been collected and sent uplines? Was this Trahant’s idea of a good thing to do or was it an order from ABLE or further up?

    She needs to be prosecuted, right now, and the ‘agreement’ voided.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      like cutting off just a tentacle. we know that. sigh

    • Sherbet

      Excellent, Michael, but narconon’s rep didn’t lie by omission. If Trahant had said, “No, sorry, we’re not taking anyone in at the moment,” that would be a lie by omission — deceiving somebody by not telling the whole story. Nope. The lying liar said they were “full.” At capacity. That’s a whole ‘nother kind of lie. Trahant’s response was an invented, scripted story. And it’s a despicable thing to do, to flash the middle finger at the law while continuing to prey on desperate people.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Yeppirs. And she even caught another lie when Michael from Forever Recovery? told her without any question that Blue Cross Blue Shield would cover the expenses. Mary Morton mentioned she thought they might be using a script. She should know that Everything is done by script. These people are not professionals and it is true in Any scientology operation. They have scripts for everything.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Agreed, it was lying and implying they were still in business. I agree, it’s invented and scripted. They only change when they are caught in the act.

        As Jimmy Threetimes said, the other Narconon phone now goes to Oklahoma. But only after the story hit the news and the bunker. And the Narconon rep in Ok. was not told Georgia was shut down and lost their license. Or was even lying about that.

        • MissCandle

          So they remain in operation — as a referral business.

          • If they take the 10% after a client called a phone number in Georgia and bought a package for “treatment” in Oklahoma, in what state are they operating?

        • Sherbet

          Law: You’re accused of doing X. But X is going to take a long time to prosecute, so just stop doing Y, and we’ll be happy.

          Scientology: OK, thanks for forgetting about X for the time being. We’ll consider the ramifications of ceasing Y, but, in the meantime, we’re going full throttle into Z. It’s a lot like Y, but a few states over.

          Law: Aw, gee, but you promised…

          Scientology: Hey, we have an agreement here!

          • Poison Ivy

            Perfect Sherbet!

      • Quite right, being “full” implies a running business, no two ways about it. If the letter of the agreement allows them to state to potential customers that they are operating, it’s not a very good agreement, is it? The spirit of agreements is what is referred to by the side of the agreement who did not get things their way…

    • Jane

      “Lying is a scientology sacrament” – profound – must remember that phrase!

      • Jgg2012

        It is. “The way to control people is to lie to them. You can write that in big black capital letters.” — LRH.

        • Robert Eckert

          THE WAY TO CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM.

          • Rita Gregory

            Used this quote in my post on Narconon Georgia FB page.

            • Aslansown

              They just took down the FB comments.

            • Rita Gregory

              Yes, I saw that. 🙂

            • Rita Gregory

              I wonder how long it would take to block everyone that posted something similar or if they even do block because I can still see their page.

        • deathtoallpoliticians

          correction, “the way to control STUPID people is to lie to them.” intelligence and schooling lead to critical, independent thinking that makes control impossible.

      • Narapoid

        I will remember that one Jane. Thanks!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The Facebook page is also active, and carries the notation “Always open.”

      • joan nieman

        It figures. They are too arrogant to admit defeat.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        I don’t have access to my computer right now or I would do it myself, but please consider doing a screen grab of anything you might find that shows they are still in operational mode and e-mail it to: Danny.Porter@gwinnettcounty.com

    • Once_Born

      I am still in awe of the idea that Narconon can steal three million dollars and then (despite the fact that the credit card companies have pretty good records that can be used in evidence) do not have to answer for that crime because they have agreed to close down – i..e. agreed to stop committing other crimes, some of which have resulted in the death of people in their care.

      Now it seems clear that they are going to treat that agreement with the sophistry and contempt they apply to any other {wog law} – and possibly get away with that, too.

      I suspect that everyone involved would be in jail, being prosecuted to the full extent of the law if this was not a Scientology organisation. The authorities worry that, if they take the {Church} on they are in for a deliberately protracted and dirty fight. In other words,those authorities are thinking, “Do I want to pick a fight with the church of Scientology?” Sadly their answer seems to be “not if I can possibly avoid it”.

      CofS tactics (use the law to harass) are still working, and will likely continue to work as long as they have the money to put those tactics into effect. What’s more, they don’t have to turn every prosecution into a three-ring circus to discourage prosecutors – just mount a huge effort now and again.

  • Dirndl

    Off Topic. Just because you all wellcome newbies on and on again. I want to say: Danke! You fringe-internet-group made me feel good about: donating to Tony, flagging some graigslist-Unsinn, annoying same german scilons and spreading the news… Got 2 people interested in following the unfolding story. You begin with tiny liitle steps, dont you?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      welcome. there are many here who will welcome your avatar, I mean Dirndl.

      • Dirndl

        Thank you! I wanted to encourage newbies like me to come out and participate without being afraid of the old guard – who are so frightening eloquently lead the debate.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Dirndl, this blog will be one year old on Saturday. So as far as “old guard” goes, there’s really not a very high bar!

    • Rita Gregory

      Welcome! Bring your friends!

    • Zer0

      Welcome, Dirndl !!! Nice to have you here. Thanks for your post!

    • Robert Eckert

      Herzlich willkommen, und vielen Dank!

      • Ruby

        What he said! (I think)

        • “Heartfelt welcome, and many thanks!”

          • Ruby

            Thank you for the interpreting. :))

    • Eclipse-girl

      TY for thinking of all the newcomers. We get caught up in the excitement and forget the new people come in.

      Welcome all. pull up a chair. There are refreshments in the back. the facilities are down the hall.

  • Jimmy Threetimes

    Calls to the Georgia Narconon are now being routed and answered by the Oklahoma Narconon. Guy who picked up told me he wasn’t aware that Georgia was shut down, only that they were fielding calls for them.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Did you get the name of the person you talked to?

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        He answered with only “Hello?” I didn’t think to ask his name. I’m not a journalist apparently. But after I asked “is this the Georgia Narconon?” He sort of chuckled and admitted that he was in Oklahoma. Then I asked about the forfeiture of license and his words were “as far as I know it hasn’t been shut down, we’re just handling their calls”

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Thanks. I think Aquaclara has Potter’s email address somewhere in this thread. If you don’t mind, every bit helps. tks

      • peakofelephants

        Obviously it was “Dana” lol

    • N. Graham

      Thanks for the info. I posted on their FB site.

  • Monkey see?

    NN Georgia needs to change or take down their facebook page. The “always open” is kind of creepy under the circumstances.
    https://www.facebook.com/narcononofga

    • Aslansown

      Can someone (Espiando?) make a screen grab of that?

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        It’s too long for just one screenie, but I took several

        • Monkey see?

          I pdf’ed it.

      • Espiando

        Got that too. I won’t bother posting it, since resizing it down to a realistic size to post her would make it really, really skinny.

        • Espiando

          Oh, hell, here’s the header cropped out.

      • AsthmaticDwarf

        Grabbed.

        • Aslansown

          Perfect! Thanks!

          • AsthmaticDwarf

            An alternate.

    • media_lush

      you can report it directly to Facebook [little gear icon under the main photo on the right] …. I said that this outlet has been ordered shut by Georgia local state government

      • Rita Gregory

        Thanks going there now!

        • Rita Gregory

          Reported.

  • Jane

    Scientology is legalistic. Abiding by the ‘spirit’ of an agreement is simply not in their vocabulary. Classic give an inch, they take a mile stuff…..

    • Sarah James

      Any lie, any dirty trick, any child they can take from a family and when you think they cannot go any lower…

    • Monkey see?

      THe agreement is that they turn in their license. The thing is, they never had a problem illegally operating an in-patient program under an out-patient license and doing all sorts of other illegal acts. I do not think they are above operating without a license. Why would anyone think NN would suddenly become law-abiding?

      • Robert Eckert

        The agreement is that they would not be prosecuted for any past wrongful acts, but of course it does not grant them the right to commit fresh crimes in the future. Operating without a license is a new offense.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Now my question is, can Narconon Georgia act as a Narconon Referral line under the terms of their agreement?

    • Sherbet

      I think we’ve established that any narconon can do whatever the hell they please — just like Mother Ship Scientology — until they’re caught AND made to stop. Being caught doesn’t guarantee stoppingness. And that’s the bottom line of the lrh apostles’ creed.

    • aquaclara

      We need more important notes to the DA.

  • N. Graham

    I just posted about the closing on the Atlanta Narconon FB site. Wonder how long it will last.
    https://www.facebook.com/narcononofga

    • Aslansown

      I saw that — I’m guessing it won’t last too long.

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        it’s gone now…

        • Aslansown

          Well, it lasted about an hour…this could be like the Craigslist project. Put them up and see how long they last!

          • Rita Gregory

            Going in again!

            • Rita Gregory

              Comment section not available for me to post new comments.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Hmmm.

              Another project for the Craigslist Quilting Bee?

            • Aslansown

              I see it when I click “see all” on the right.

            • Rita Gregory

              Not me, think I’ve been blocked.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I posted a while ago, but it is gone and I have been blocked.

      • Rita Gregory

        Me too. I reported the page to face book. Said it was still up and the facility had been closed for insurance fraud.

        • aquaclara

          🙂

      • N. Graham

        Ya, me too.

    • Miss Tia

      I’ll post a comment, I know it’ll disappear but I’ll still post some.

      • Aslansown

        You go girl!! 🙂

        Great comment! Let’s see how long it lasts!

        • Miss Tia

          I posted on every post to the one with the lady doing drug education in school and I got blocked. Well that was fun while it lasted! I don’t feel like exposing one of my sock accounts quite yet! 🙂

      • Aslansown

        It’s gone. 9 minutes — they’re really watching now.

        • Miss Tia

          wow, 9 minutes, yeah, someone is gonna have to stay up all night to monitor that page now won’t they?

          • Aslansown

            Hmmm….I guess so!

            • Mark

              I can still get at them via the ‘recommendations’ thingy. One star. Poor. Closed down…

            • Aslansown

              Good job! Let’s take bets on how long it will stay up.

            • Mark

              Now can’t comment on posts or ‘recommend’, but the two shots in recommendations seem to have stuck – plus added comments… P.S. Reported them to FB.

            • Rita Gregory

              I can’t do either now. But your recommendations posts are still there. 😀

            • Mark

              Now one’s gone… (good! that took them 25 minutes!)

            • Rita Gregory

              36 minutes and counting on the other one.

            • Mark

              Ain’t it annoying when the ‘tech’ don’t work?

            • Aslansown

              I see 4 of them!

            • Mark

              Good!

            • Mark

              That’s an hour of Bunker-power beating clam-‘tech’. Got an “about an hour ago” on my seditious {recommend}, and as it’s now gone 3:30am here, I’m off to bed blissfully happy.

            • Aslansown

              Goodnight. Good work! 😉

            • Mark

              Night-night & thanks! 🙂

            • Mark

              Eight hours later – IT’S STILL THERE! (Link to Tony’s story as well). Does happy dance 🙂

            • Casabeca

              Well done you…brilliant…you’re a star!
              Those are the UK compliments I know, so far ;).

    • Miss Tia

      Wheeee, posting a comment on every post! 🙂 Til they block me!

    • aquaclara

      So even the FB site is still up?! F***ing cult.

      Thank you. I do mean that nicely.

    • Poison Ivy

      Did you take a screen shot?

      • N. Graham

        I will next time. It only lasts a few seconds before it’s removed.

  • Aslansown

    On the Narconon Georgia FB page:

    Narconon of Georgia sent several staff members to the capitol before and during the event to educate lawmakers and other addiction treatment providers on the role they can play in reducing the drug problem in Georgia

    (photos of the event) https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151393685179291.495268.68292324290&type=1

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hmmmm.

      Maybe they need photos/links to the more recent interaction Narconon had with Georgia lawmakers…

      • Aslansown

        Good idea.

    • Just Dee

      This is very disturbing to me. Narconon educating lawmakers…. it just screams wrong to me, imo.

      • Aslansown

        Yeah. I hate seeing the picture of them “educating” in a school.

    • Poison Ivy

      FUCK THAT!! Where are the Georgia Versions of Ray Jeffreys in all this, getting in there and getting in lawmakers’ faces and informing them that it’s this non-medical quackery that is killing kids (and breaking the banks of their parents) in the first place?

      • Aslansown

        At least the guy in the blue shirt who’s at the booth in a lot of the pictures is actually a scientologist — his picture is the profile pic on their FB page. Maybe not many people came by. I’ve done literature booths many times for the non-profit I used to work for and we almost never got very many people to come over and engage with us.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    False hype lying shore story PR, is L. Ron Hubbard’s timeless technology his followers faithfully implement, keeping Ron’s con style alive.

    .

    • Jimmy Threetimes

      If you are going to pretend to be someone other than Vinay Agarwala, don’t post with the double newline followed by a random period.

      • Mark

        Wonder if that “random period” is Agarwala’s version of a bindi? Curious he always puts it on his bottom, so to speak…

      • Captain Howdy

        All you have to do is check the previous comments to see it’s Chuck. Sheesh!

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          I did after I posted and that’s why I felt bad. But I wanted to know what is up with the double space dot thing

          .

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Sample Vinay post:
          If everyone here wasn’t a stupid, fat American, they would understand Eastern philosophy and then understand how Bhudda would be a Scientologist today.

          .

          • aurora50

            The scan is quite similar in both posts…

            • Jimmy Threetimes

              Scan? There are scans??!

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            Are you sure Vinay isn’t the attorney, Dr. Gonzo, in “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas”? Didn’t he say “As your attorney, I advise you to join the Church of Scientology, that way you will never be fat or stupid or American”?

      • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

        I’m the real Chuck call me, 412-260-1170 if you wish.

        PS: I knew Vinay when I became a beginner Sea Org member at Clearwater, in Dec 1975. At that moment in history Vinay had been busted from the Flag Bureaux (management) and he was working as an excellent and meticulous “Word Clearer” in the Flag Service Organization’s “academy” training room. Vinay’s an MIT grad, he’s well educated, extremely articulate, and I’ve long respected his views, and as an ex Sea Org member himself, he’s been long posting on the critical chat sites for years and years, so good for him not being silenced. If you ask Vinay the right questions, one can gain a huge amount of Sea Org management and other history, he’s also an Apollo vet, and has history there to share, if asked!

  • Mark

    THDNE was talking about Narconon as if it were an octopus or squid earlier on. Oh yes – just the sort of creatures to inspire a gastropod like LRH:

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist
      • Mark

        Looks like something out of H.P. Lovecraft!

      • Verve

        Even Cthulhu finds $cientology “icky.”

    • Sherbet

      I think “furshlugginer” is going to become one of my favorite words, to supercede “frackin’.”

      • Mark

        Thank Harvey Kurtzman who wrote ‘MAD’ when it was funny; he also came up with “potrzebie” and “veeblefetzer”.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I grew up with MAD. I have a stack MAD from the 1970s

          Tho, I am more partial to a kraken

          • Mark

            Try pre-1955 MADs! They’ve been reprinted & there’s a DVD too.

            • Aslansown

              I love MAD too. My brother used to have a subscription – starting probably in the late 50’s. I still remember some of the satires of TV shows.

            • Eclipse-girl

              If you had those nags now, and reread the satire, you would realize How great they were.

              My bros never knew I took them with me when I went to college and they had no chance to steal them

            • Aslansown

              He might actually still have some of them! You’re pretty sneaky there with your brothers!

            • Eclipse-girl

              You do not know the trip the oldest 2 put on me.

              It is because of them I have a dark sense of humor. It is also because of them I have empathy for all victims.

              I feel no guilt, and NO ONE asked.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Back when i was a young pup I collected Mad, both the magazine and the comic book. And… I met Harvey Kurtzman!

              I had one grunch, but the eggplant over there…

            • Mark

              Ah, Roger Price & his droodles!

            • Eclipse-girl

              I was a Sergio Aragones fan

            • Eclipse-girl

              I remember the reprint MADs from the 1970s. I even have those issues.

              I will look for the DVD.

            • Artoo45

              Their parody of Tales from the Crypt is epic . . . it’s . . . it’s . . . Melvin.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I always thought Melvin came from Bill & ted

            • Artoo45

              Melvin is timeless.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              (Melvin is William M. Gaines’ middle name. Shhhh.)

            • Eclipse-girl

              I feel a bit sorry for him. Bu hey my granddads first name was Chauncy

          • cicely neville

            Quod, me vexari?
            I had a subscription in the 60’s. Should have kept them – I still laugh thinking of the 43-Man Squamish Team. And there were some sharp comments under that broad humor.

        • Artoo45

          William M. Gaines and Cº. had such a huge influence on my budding sense of humor. MAD was awesome in the 60s and early 70s. Who else’s first Spanish lesson consisted of “Mi tio es enfermo parra la carrera es verde?”

    • AsthmaticDwarf

      Oh Mark, man- you do rock !!

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      This is brilliant!

    • aquaclara

      Enormityness. Infestulated. Furshlugginer. Bollocks.
      I love that we share a common language.

      Brilliant, btw.

    • SLIM

      Don’t forget the other name…
      Meshugener…..

      • Robert Eckert

        That’s an actual Yiddish word (“crazy man” from the Hebrew with German grammatical ending tacked on, echt Yiddish) as opposed to furschugginer, which is a joke word that just sounds Yiddish.

        • SLIM

          May the schwartz be with you!

        • Mark

          Na, na, kinderlech: Furshlugginer is echt ‘farshluginer’ in Yiddish, ‘verschlagener’ in German, & means “sly” or “devious” in both.

          • Robert Eckert

            I sit corrected.

  • SLIM

    This is SO off-topic….
    But had to share..It bowl-ed me over….
    It might be applicable to the Cherch…In a way

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKLnhuzh9uY

    • Mark

      Chortle!

  • nottrue

    Danny Porter you need to take some tips from Ray Jeffrey. Your deal sucked. Narconon is already violating it.You have proof. Mary Mortons phone call.Withdraw the non prosecution agreement. Dont take the easy way out

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      There’s more– and it can be easily documented. Narconon Georgia has left all of their web sites up and running, complete with bogus claims and even their license. They are shameless.

      • Rita Gregory

        They have time to block comments on their FB page… so don’t tell me they don’t have time to take down the pages!

        • Robert Eckert

          Have you been taking multiple screen grabs of the Facebook page with the comments posted and comments then taken down? They may try to pretend they “forgot” about maintaining their web-sites, but this shows they are indeed paying attention to their sites.

          • Rita Gregory

            Thanks Robert! Finally learned how to do a screen grab. Hope others will do the same.

      • Whoknew

        Wasn’t there some baloney they said about continuing for six months? What they are allowed to continue was confusing to me.

        • EnthralledObserver

          The are to continue their community services – I am assuming they mustn’t charge for them, but I may be wrong – which are drug education services. They ought not to be allowed to do this either, let alone required to do it via the agreement, but that’s what I understood.

          • stillgrace

            One of these words just doesn’t belong:
            Narconon, community service, drug education

            • EnthralledObserver

              LRonny missed his childhood dose of Sesame Street.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          My reading is that they are required to do six months of community service. Personally, I’d send them to pick up trash on the highways, but I’d be afraid they’d figure out a way to scam money from passing motorists…

          • stillgrace

            Personally, I think any community service Narconon might perform, with the exception of picking up trash along higways, is just plain scary.

            • WhereIsSHE

              The f-ing NDA specifically defines the required “Community Service” as “outreach and educational programs designed to prevent adults from abusing drugs and alcohol”.

              I KID YOU NOT.
              This is so VAGUE that it can easily be interpreted to mean that they can (or MUST!) continue to REACH OUT to the COMMUNITY by promoting HUBBARD B.S. “TECH”.

              This is the most poorly crafted non-pros agreement I have ever seen.

            • Poison Ivy

              Yes, “Outreach and education” – doesn’t this DA realize that their version of “anti-drug education” IS WHAT HAS BEEN KILLING PEOPLE IN THE FIRST PLACE?!!!

              You and I are both YELLING WITH OUR CAPS!!!!

          • WhereIsSHE

            The Community Service Paragraph (#3) of the NDA is, perhaps, the most telling of the DA’s complete ignorance of NNGA/CoS PR and recruitment tactics.
            He agreed to have them continue their beloved practice of PREYING ON THE WOUNDED (and their families) as part of some perceived punitive requirement.

            This is akin to “punishing” Jerry Sandusky by “requiring” him to continue to privately “coach” vulnerable young boys in the showers of the Penn State locker rooms.

            It is OUTRAGEOUS.

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              Whereisshe, it is also extremely short sighted. As I said in the comment above, the state is opening itself up to lawsuits, the same way the state would have been sued if it had allowed Sandusky to continue to “privately” coach.

            • Robert Eckert

              It is terribly difficult to sue the state, regardless of the case.

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              Yep, Georgia starts with sovereign immunity, and, unless the immunity is waived by statute, that immunity gets weaker and weaker if it fails to act and that failure is not within the discretion of the state. Failing to enforce a Nonprosecution Agreement is generally not within the state’s discretion (it would make such agreements meaningless), and it is possible that individuals harmed by that failure may have a cause of action against the state. Jaycee Duggard certainly did in California when parole officers failed to do their jobs and visited the house she was held captive in dozens of times over many years without rescuing her. That failure to act cost California about $20 million.

            • Poison Ivy

              Exactly! Community Service to Narconons means “Oooooh! Yummy new fresh meat we get to recruit – and with the State’s permission!”

          • Whoknew

            Hahaha! Good grief…don’t let them pick their own method of community service. No community deserves that.

        • WhereIsSHE

          Take a look at the “SURRENDER OF LICENSE” language in paragraph 2 of the NDA.

          They were to surrender their license from the Georgia Dept of Community Health (which allows them to OPERATE AS AN OUTPATIENT DRUG ABUSE TREATMENT AND EDUCATION PROGRAM) “[u]pon execution of this Agreement”.

          The Agreement was executed when it was signed by Acting Executive Director of NNDA, Jeannie Trahant, (and NNGA’s attorney) on September 9, 2013 (or arguably when it was then signed, for the State of Georgia, by District Attorney of Gwinnett County, Daniel KJ. Porter, on September 16, 2013).

          FURTHERMORE, NNGA’s surrender of said license is a condition of gaining the benefit of the NON-PROSECUTION language in paragraph 1 of the NDA.

          “For purposes of finality under Paragraph 1, above, NNGA’s obligations under this Paragraph 2, shall be considered satisfied upon surrender of the said license.”

          So… either NNGA did NOT surrender the said license, and hence the non-prosecution language is NOT IN EFFECT, … OR… NNGA did surrender the license, but is violating state law by continuing to hold itself out as a properly LICENSED OUTPATIENT DRUG ABUSE TREATMENT FACILITY(which also violates the NDA), and hence, either way you slice it, they have broken the promise of the NDA (and not just “in spirit”, but in full force and effect).

          • Still_On_Your_Side

            By agreeing to the Non-Prosecution Agreement, the State of Georgia made a public covenant with the citizens of that state promising that Narconon would no longer pose a threat to them. By allowing Narconon to continue to operate, the State is not just allowing a blatant breach of the Agreement, it is opening itself up to potential lawsuits.
            If the state continues to take no action to shut down Narconon, including withdrawing the promise of non-prosecution, it shouldn’t be surprised if it finds itself a co-defendant with Narconon when the next victim decides to sue.

          • Aslansown

            I always look forward to hearing your legal info.

          • Poison Ivy

            WIS, did you write a letter to Porter letting him know (as a fellow attorney) how f’ed up his decision is?

            • Rita Gregory

              That would be awesome!

            • WhereIsSHE

              It would be professionally inappropriate for me to write Porter directly to challenge his authority as DA of Gwinnett County, GA, and personally inappropriate–or meaningless– since he is not beholden to me, as I am not a member of his constituency.

              I haven’t held back here though, and he is welcome to read and regard–or disregard–my point of view.

            • Poison Ivy

              I guess you’re right – I’m just blindsided by my righteous outrage today.

          • Whoknew

            Thank you, WhereIsSHE!

      • Jimmy Threetimes

        Their contact information provided by a simple google search of “georgia narconon” returns a number with a Georgia area code, that now redirects to the Oklahoma Narconon. The man who answered gave a strong implication that he was aware of trouble in Georgia, but stated clearly that as far as he knew, it was still open for business. Oklahoma is operating as a call center. He was either lying to me or was not up to date on the recent exposure of the non-prosecution agreement. It was clear when I called that I was dialing the Georgia number, and I inquired about the forfeiture of their license, and he still asked if I needed treatment and what sort of treatment I needed.

        I believe that it is a major violation of the spirit of the non-prosecution agreement for them to simply start referring patients to their sister organization in another state. An agreement to forfeit a license of practice should not allow you to shuffle your potential clientele to a different building in a separate jurisdiction.

        But this is nothing new. It reminds me of something I first read on xenu.net where a Narconon rep in the UK was fully aware that they had been shut down there, but tried to downplay it to a potential “customer” with the intention of having him visit a Narconon center in Holland:

        http://narcononfishing.wordpress.com

  • sugarplumfairy

    Off topic, but was just surprised to see Tony’s name on an arts site I read sometimes..

    http://www.classicalite.com/articles/2918/20130923/scientologist-tom-cruise-takes-daughter-suri-bungee-jumping-without-katie.htm

    • Robert Eckert

      It’s repeating the bungee-jumping story, which sounds unlikely given her broken arm. Since the picture released with the story shows no cast, and within hours of the story coming out a picture was released of Suri, with Katie in NYC, wearing a new bright-pink cast was release (evidently to rebut this story), Media Lush’s immediate instinct, that this story is complete bullshit, looks sound.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Thanks.. I read it because I saw TC mentioned, but I linked it because it referenced Tony..

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Haven’t caught up…but already agree!!!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      I have not seen one iota of evidence (so far) that this man has not disconnected from Suri.
      EVERYTHING since the split seems staged and trite!

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Don’t you appreciate the dilemma TC is in? He can’t Disconnect nor Blow – not when Suri is meant to be his next COB!

        Having both Hollywood AND $cilon PR handlers spewing out contradictory fiction, naturally everything seems staged, trite and beyond (most) people’s suspension of disbelief.

        The Vanity Fair cover below is proof/spoof of the cray, cray that is his life and people’s perception of it these last 8 – 10 years (well, in North America anyway).

        • Narapoid

          That’s just wrong;)

    • aurora50

      This is the place they reportedly went: http://www.lakeplacid.com/do/family-fun/boots-and-birdies

      From the pics, they do allow young kids on the bungees, cuz they are just strapped in and then jumping on a trampoline…there used to be attractions like it at the local county fairs where I lived when my kids were young. And if Suri’s injury is to one of the wrist-bones, for instance, there would not be a lot of restrictions on her activities…says the mother of a couple of young hellions; for 3 or 4 years one or the other flaunted a cast at the family reunion!

      None of this to discount any other info on Tom Cruise…I am really curious as to how he is going to jump (ha!) as all this plays out…John Travolta, too. Maybe it is just the characters he has played, and the reports I have gathered from recent video watching as I learn about CoS, but JT just seems so sweet and earnest…perhaps a bit dim? but with a truly good heart…

      Just wonder if they are paying attention…

      • media_lush

        I discussed this in detail when it came out… in a nutshell I said it was totally bogus…. no ‘responsible’ media outlet mentioned at all…. the pic provided was extremely fuzzy and IMO showed Suri from over a year ago judging by her size…. coincidentally the pic provided did not show her hand with the cast [which would have been pretty conclusive]…. it must be getting close to the Cruise vs Bauer Media showdown where he’s suing them for their claim he has abandoned his daughter……

        Incidentally Tommy Girls fan page tomcruiseforeverdotcom is saying he’s officially starting starting pre-production of MI5…. yeah right…. yet again no other media outlet has picked it up…. that must be seriously embarrassing for him, lulz

        • SLIM

          Is that an Alien about to spurt from his lower chest?

        • aurora50

          All of sudden, he’s old looking…kind of surprised…is that a shoop or really his torso?

          • media_lush

            it’s the scene when he escapes the Russian hospital in the opening scene in MI4… he climbs out the window and walks along the ledge….

      • Aslansown

        JT does seem like a good guy. The pictures of him with his son were so loving. Like media_lush says, he’s really under control by KP. I was also thinking recently that if he did leave, he would lose his daughter (and wife) to disconnection and I doubt he would be willing to lose another child.

        • aurora50

          and remember too, there is a new baby boy…born in a bit of unseemly haste, to my taste…and with questions as to his genesis, poor tyke…
          (I am kind of appalled I know this…)

          but, yes…your point is well taken…that recent video of him at some event at the CC seemed to show him in such tension…understandable…

          and his plastic surgery and hair work is so unfortunate…

          • Aslansown

            That’s right – I forgot about the little boy.

      • Deeana

        I suspect that both Tom Cruise and John Travolta fit the category of being “a bit dim”. This has been referred to over the years regarding each of them – sometimes obliquely and other times not so obliquely. Andrew Morton’s unauthorized biography of Tom Cruise didn’t pull many punches. For anyone who has not read it, he goes fairly in depth into the Cof$ connection.

        I don’t think being a rocket scientist (yeah, right LRH!) has ever been a prerequisite to becoming a movie star.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    As some of you here have discovered, Narconon Georgia is still maintaining their presence on the web. They are also patrolling their many sites, removing critical (read: truthful) comments as quickly as they are posted.

    BUT… they do NOT control consumer watchdog sites, rating boards, and discussion threads dealing with drug treatment centers.

    SO… here are some links to start out with. These comments will stand, so keep them on message, completely truthful, and TONE 40!

    http://atlanta.citysearch.com/profile/37310152/norcross_ga/narconon_drug_rehab.html

    http://www.bbb.org/atlanta/business-reviews/drug-abuse-and-addiction-info-and-treatment/narconon-of-georgia-in-norcross-ga-27050555

    http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/directory/narconon

    http://citehealth.com/rehab-centers/georgia/cities/norcross/narconon-georgia-atlanta

    http://www.kudzu.com/m/Narconon-Of-Georgia-Inc-20342336

    http://treatment-facilities.findthebest.com/l/3124/Narconon-Georgia-Atlanta

    http://www.treatment-centers.net/directory/georgia/norcross/narconon-of-georgia.html

    http://www.merchantcircle.com/business/Narconon.of.Georgia.Inc.770-379-0208

    http://drugalcohol-rehab.net/?p=250

    http://heroin.net/facilities/narconon-of-georgia-2/

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130520181539AAIsvzo

    There may be more out there. Happy hunting. And… happy posting!

  • Aslansown

    I have a feeling this film was made because people were afraid of the scientology connection with narconon….

    I hope this guy is actually a Christian pastor now and hasn’t been sucked into scientology after his time in narconon.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151255142799291&set=vb.68292324290&type=2&theater

  • SLIM

    More info that you would ever want to know about the Purif…
    Be aware when watching this….
    More bovine excrement per square pixel in the world….

    Lying Liar’s that Lie….On TV…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbMEG0976iM

    • Artoo45

      What a lying sack of shit this “doctor” is. And the interviewer, clearly never got past 6th grade science. Credulous ninnies, the both of ’em.

      • SLIM

        My sediments exactly….

  • Rita Gregory

    If anyone can comment on Narconon Georgia’s FB page. Please take a screenshot of your negative comment posted and if they take it down please take a screen shot of it gone. We can then prove they are maintaining their page and haven’t “forgotten about it”. Thanks Robert great suggestion.!

  • media_lush

    WOW!

    it looks like a disaffected teacher from Will Smith’s scientology school is going to spill the beans ……

    • Rita Gregory

      Ooooo delicious!

      • Artoo45

        I know a certain journalist who would be happy to speak with her . . .

        • Jimmy Threetimes

          Barbara Walters is extremely busy. I find it hard to believe she will find time for this interview. But it was a good thought, Artoo

          • grundoon

            No, a journalist.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      What? Where?

      Link?

      • media_lush

        it’s SP’s R Us facebook site…. I blocked out the posters name as I’m not sure if the group is private or invite only or not

        • Rita Gregory

          It’s also on Leah’s FB page.

          • media_lush

            well, there you go…… I wonder if this news has filtered down to Will and Jada Smith?

            ….. I think this has the potential to do more damage than Leah leaving when the general public REALLY get to find out what they do to kids

            • Rita Gregory

              The poster also talks about the “study tech” being forced on her. “I never became a scientologist – they put the pressure on and we had to feed the kids study tech…insane…!”

      • Aslansown

        I know — me too. You can’t see images unless you refresh, but if you refresh you lose where you were on the page.

    • stillgrace

      Wow! This could be huge. Thanks for letting us know!

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      The thing about Leah Remini is she is accessible, uncomplicated and unthreatening. She is America’s “best friend.” A lot of people are finding courage by watching her. It is interesting how many people I know that are now interested in knowing more about Church of Scientology abuse and harrassment.

      • edge

        I loved that picture of her walking with Blown For Good in her hand. Very clever middle finger to the Co$

        • AsthmaticDwarf

          Zactly. A middle finger straight up and vertical

      • Aslansown

        Exactly. I think she’s going to be a very powerful voice against the “church” even if she doesn’t go out and shout it from the rooftops. She’s been very smart in the way she’s handled the whole thing, just dropping a few sentences here and there. Plus….that BFG in her hand. Genius!

        • Drat

          People who shout stuff from the roof tops often just come off as hysterical. Much better the off-hand, revealing remark.

      • Narapoid

        She had K of Qs for 10 years, with re-runs its been there for what 13-14 years. How many Scientologists watched that show, proud to see a fellow church member and letting her into their home all those years. Laughing at her antics, loving her. Her blowing is shaking a lot more people than might be thought off the top.

    • Rita Gregory
      • media_lush

        …. I hope Tony can get her before Radar do

        • Rita Gregory

          Me too!

        • Aslansown

          Did you send his cats the link?

    • Eclipse-girl

      Its the principal.

    • Aslansown

      Excellent!

    • Aslansown

      In the Radar piece it said she signed a confidentiality agreement. It will be interesting to see what she says.

      • L. C. Spencer

        I’ve got my fingers crossed that maybe it was only binding as long as the school was in operation?

        • Rita Gregory

          I think the radar piece said it was “understood” she signed one. Maybe they assumed.

    • Looking forward to that! This problem is taken seriously enough by the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology that they have a person doing damage control on WWP – full time, not just Thursday late morning…

  • SandiCorrena

    It occurs to me DM & TC could use a number #3; a holy trinity if you will, and especially after seeing him EXPLODE on twitter tonight I think it should be Kanye! That’s all, I return you to your regularly scheduled commentary.

    • Aslansown

      Now I had to go over and look. That would be an …. interesting trio. I think he might give DM a run for his money (no pun intended).

  • aurora50
    • Robert Eckert

      The up-downs on the comments are interesting: 190^3v, 144^0v, 155^1v, 114^1v, 104^0v, 113^0v, 124^0v, 151^0v, 131^1v on the anti-Kirstie comments, 26^94v on a comment asking why Leah had to say anything. I’ve never seen such near-unanimity on the Mail comments as this consensus that Kirstie was being a jerk.

    • Eclipse-girl

      And all the commenters have no patience with KA

  • 10oriocookies

    I was told by a little birdie that there is still a program being run by the local scientologists at the aparment complex. Something Challenge is the name. I was told its not a Narconon program nor does it use the tech. It didnt add up at the time so I dismissed it. I’ll have to get more info.

  • SS

    These people would rather climb up a tree and lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth. To the media, to the courts, to insurance companies, to authorities, to the public, to each other, to themselves….. all they do is lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. And it’s perfectly OK to do so in the promotion of “the only hope for mankind”, Hubbard said so.

    I really love the fact that it’s open season in the media on these guys now and that their dishonesty (and other deplorable behavior) has resulted in the “church” being loathed by a now more educated public. But, I’m also ready to see some hard, tangible repercussions in the form of financial penalties and jail sentences.

    As this episode demonstrates, until a time that the authorities and courts hold these guys truly accountable for their actions, they will continue to circumvent and cheat. They have to….. it’s in their doctrine.

    • Sarah James

      Oh yes!

  • media_lush

    Jabba “She’s Gonna Blow” report…. looks like Kirstie is getting hammered from the twitter community again…. she’ll have to spend a few more $100 to buy some more followers as she continually appears to be blocking them

    • Eclipse-girl

      she always seems testy. It is hard but perhaps getting off of refined sugar ( and carbs) might help her mood

      • SLIM

        I think getting off $ciendollary might be more effective…

        • Eclipse-girl

          a better solution than mine.

      • kickingit101

        She needs to get laid, anyone want to chip in and see if we can get enough together to get her a male hooker for the night?

      • Tone

        It’s that OT snarl. They all get it. She’s been auditing BT’s for years and yet she’s still fat. The one cog they so rarely seem to have is that hubbardtek isn’t working.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Tory Magoo had 2 vids on why OT VIIs and VIIs usually are overweight. It was insightful to watch them. KA is an OT VII, right?

    • SandiCorrena

      I noticed she’s talking with the Leah stalker formerly Sheilaasayso or whatever her name was-now Sheila450 (LaraAyotte) the chick with the scientology kills brain cells facebook page.

      • kickingit101

        Yep I and several others were harassed by Sheila when Leah and Holly were fired from The Talk. She is psycho, the sad thing is she works as a hospice caregiver. I would not want her taking care of my worst enemy let alone a loved one. Her name is Sheila Marie Fleury here is her facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/sheila.marie.1217?fref=ts

        • SandiCorrena

          she blocked me on FB when I ID’d her on Leah’s FB page. I just tweeted her and KA that she should invite kirstie to like her “Scientology kills brain cells” page on FB since they’re such good friends and all….

          • kickingit101

            LOL, she has been stalking Leah around the internet for a couple of years. She is as vile and disgusting as Krusty. I made 2 videos in support of Leah and Holly and she immediately turned her attention on me and a few others. She went too far on one person and they called the authorities on her.

            • SandiCorrena

              she’s evil & a wannabe fo sho!

    • stillgrace

      I know this is mean, but when Krustie uses the acronym LMFAO, all I can see is “Laughing My Fat Ass Off”. Sorry, Poison Ivy, if you see this.

  • Aslansown

    Goodnight everybody! Gotta get up and walk early (I don’t dare start reading the Bunker first or I never get to the walking!

    • Rita Gregory

      Goodnight!

  • aurora50

    This is SO off-topic, but maybe it will be of use to someone…

    ta-da: http://dataferrett.census.gov/datasets.html
    It’s the Data Ferret(t)…a database search feature of the Census Bureau…slow and kind of dated, but lots of info there for the intellectually omnivorous!

    Enjoy!

  • Well, NN Georgia may be full, but they can still refer would be victims to NN shops in other states. At, what, 10% commission a pop? Sounds like the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology is showing its usual ability to follow an “agreement.”

  • aurora50

    ok…one more o/t, but kind of not: check out the image used by reddit to illustrate a topic, how to train your woman: http://jezebel.com/hilariously-bad-advice-on-how-to-train-a-woman-courtes-1403536435

    • aurora50

      am on my way to the Land of Nod, could be wrong about the usage there…could be Jezebel…but still…

  • Peter Robinson

    IANAL, and I am not an American citizen. Given the latter, it is probably weeing in the wind for me to complain to Attorney Potter. Given the former, I am not sure if it is valid to suggest the following, but what the heck!

    The suggestion seems to be that Potter went down the route of an agreement as opposed to prosecution of the organisation at least partly on the basis that the insurance frauds were not frauds but errors of over billing by individual staff members.

    Given the above I have two suggestions:

    1. That all of you who are U.S. citizens write complaining to Potter at the lack of intent to prosecute the organisation, including, if possible:

    2. If there is evidence, perhaps from the former Narconon employees who have bravely spoken out, that the overbilling was common practice at other Narconon facilities, and even if not written down, at least implicit policy, then the case for not prosecuting Narconon/scifiology is severly weakened.

    GO GET ‘EM!

  • Drat

    I guess the guys at Narconon will rate this as a win. Situations like this simply bring out a fighting spirit in people. They don’t cave in, they “make it go right”. They’ll feel really cool that they didn’t let the SPs “suppress” them and popped up somewhere else instead. They’ll get a kick out of the cloak-and-dagger operation. Lawsuits, failed or successful, simply harden people’s determination.

    Don’t get me wrong, lawsuits are a good source of distraction, bad news and potentially useful to the government in the long run. But right now I think membership attrition through blogs like Tony’s and Mike’s, ESMB, WWP etc. are the best bet.

    That, and keeping up the love for those still in. Might sound silly to some, but put yourself in their shoes for a minute. You think you’re doing right by helping Scientology, the weight of the world is on your shoulders but you carry on. Yes, your eye-sight has become somewhat myopic and you do not see that all pretence has been dropped and it is only about getting as much money as possible. But somehow you had a good intention and you see the world as a hypnotised and drugged madhouse in need of help. And you want to give that help and think you can. To be met with scorn and ridicule on this mission will simply prove to you how mad the world has become.

    Perhaps they can’t recognise love anymore, either, but I believe deep down we all recognise and want it. And real human caring beats cult love bombing anytime.

    (Btw, when I first saw the term “love bombing” I thought – they don’t do that in Scientology! Of course, the description was so over the top. Only recently did I suddenly recall graduation in this context. Being applauded for having helped. Getting commendations, being told I matter. Seeing those donation videos where everyone will “go crazy for money” – well, in their worldview, big pharma should be more than happy to pay for that! Super ROI.)

  • stillgrace

    Hello “Bunker Night Shift” and/or “Bunker Very Early Morning Shift”.

    This post is off-topic to Narconon, but germane to the Craigslist situation. I am asking for your help.

    I’ve learned a great deal about how craigslist works tonight with regards to flagging and ghosting. I was curious why it’s difficult for us to get the scios ads down, but they seem to have no trouble taking down our counter ads.
    So I did some research. There are reasons why this is happening. And there are steps we can take. I have an experiment that requires some help that I would truly appreciate.

    Over at WWP, CraigslistCo$slayer has created four new counter ads:

    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/grp/4093727750.html
    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/grp/4093735099.html
    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/grp/4093742221.html
    http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/grp/4093751480.html
    These have not been taken down by the scios yet. They will start trying to take them down in the morning, Pacific time.
    Here’s what needs to be done:
    1. Open each of the four ads with the above links.
    2. Flag each one with the “Best Of” flag (NOT the spam flag)
    3. Then open each of ads again without flagging and then eventually close them. The more times you simply “view” the ads, the better (5 to 15 times each would be great, however whatever you have the time and patience for will definitely help!)

    For anyone interested in the details, the link below explains how these actions will make it more difficult for the cult to remove the counter-ads, before we purchase the flagging software that DM obviously already bought for Dana and the others. Purchasing that software might be next step.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3ojt52C_kw

    Thanks for any help you can give and I will let you know if it worked. Thanks!

    • Sydjazz

      I’m on it 🙂

      • Peter Robinson

        done

    • Del Ling

      Done and done. 🙂

    • Cheryl

      Done!

    • noseinabk

      Done.

    • Graham

      Done and done x5. I’ll do some more as I get time during the day. You might like to re-post this as the day goes on, to keep it near the top of ‘newest’?

      A thousand thanks for this Stillgrace. I’ve promised myself to do one small practical thing each week and you’ve handed me this task ‘on a plate’ as it were, so I can tick it off as this week’s practical contribution.

      • stillgrace

        Thank you, Graham, noseinabk, Cheryl, Del Ling, and Sydjazz. Ilene is already up and trying to flag these down and she posted nine new ads already. She’s usually not up this early. I hope they let her get some sleep last night. The counter-ads still stand. Heh heh! Thanks again!!

        • Sydjazz

          Noo she has got them removed already?

          • stillgrace

            Sorry, she is getting help, probably from CL itself. Not giving up. Thanks for giving it a go!

    • Mark

      Done & dusted!

    • Graham

      Done x10, but now I’m getting this message:

      Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to sfbay.craigslist.org

      Did you mean: craigslist.­org

      • stillgrace

        The link is still working, I believe, There are probably multiple scilons currently trying to bring it down. They are in battle mode. Could be traffic issue? Thanks!

        • Graham

          Worked for a while. I did 18 rounds in all, but now getting this message:

          This posting has been flagged for removal. [?]

          (The title on the listings page will be removed in just a few minutes.)

    • aquaclara

      Went in and did them all with best of and opening. Plus a second round of just opening them. On one more open tour through, they are now showing as flagged as spam, and removed, however. I think their system starts at 8:00 am Eastern Standard Time, precisely.

    • Robert Eckert

      They’re all flagged for removal now.

  • Jeb Burton

    Is everything the cult does a scam? Unbelievable.As a resident of Clearwater, im pissed that the scions bought the property, was hoping for the aquarium, but I am happy that the Indies didnt get it. The last thing we need around here is more Scientologists, Indie or Corporate. They all still follow LRH.

  • Mark

    Tee hee! Eight hours after they deleted all the other rude things we said about them, Narconon Georgia still hasn’t managed to remove a little poison dart I stuck in their Facebook page:

    • stillgrace

      Awesome, Mark!

      • Mark

        Pure chance, more like. I think FB may have frozen the page after lots of us complained, and the Georgia clams hadn’t got round to deleting my last {recommendation} when it happened.

        • stillgrace

          Frozen at a mahvelous moment in time!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Facebook Recommendations are tricky to remove.

        • Rita Gregory

          Hey Mark! I don’t have time to look through this thread but I just dicovered the Face Book page is gone!!!!!! I reported it to FB last night so maybe FB canned em or the DA got pissed!!

  • AnonymousSP

    There’s a special place for Jeannie Trahant in Scientology’s hell.

  • Victoria Pandora

    That’s pretty bad when youtube dishes up as a similiar video to Mary Mortons report; Bill Clinton saying he did not have sexual relations with that woman. LOL. Liars lie.

  • Holy Cowberg

    Tony, how do I contact you with some info I have?

    • aquaclara

      If you go to the home page, Tony’s email is listed there, in the section about him. Easy!

  • DamOTclese2

    Technically, if the criminals have even one remaining customer, it’s “full” since the crooks are shut down.

  • DamOTclese2

    “…millions of dollars of suspicious billing…”

    Oh I love that. “Suspicious billing.” ROFL! Tony, you are class!

  • Larry Moore

    I have a feeling the government ‘officials’ are far more under the thumb (?) of Scientology Inc. than are the insurance lawyers. I’m not an attorney, and though the whole: ‘kitten gloves’ routine with Scientology smells bad.
    For example: The state CAN prosecute a corporation, but is choosing not to? How convenient for Scn. They ‘might’ choose to prosecute individuals? With all of the evidence of fraud? They might? Seems to me like somebody has somebody right where Ron Hubbard told them to put them. Under some type of threat of pain.

    Of course I could be wrong about my fearful speculation. Been around a long time, seen much. I am thrilled though with what is happening overall. And, anyone that thinks 2013 has been a whopper of a kicking ass on DM and his gang of Scientologist’s, well, wait until 2014 rolls around folks. No one in history has been able to shoot more foot bullets, more accurately, more consistently and leaving more damage than David Miscaviage. Period. The man is a master at self destruction on a global stage, given the chance. And we are obliging.

  • Narapoid

    This story seems to indicate that the Narconon group is looking to LURE Georgia’s rehab seekers out of state and that to me is in violation of it’s agreement. The GAVE UP their license. They LIED intimating that they are in gangbuster success and ACTIVE in Georgia, when in fact they cannot take new business there.

    If they have lured someone away from Georgia with the suggestion that they could come back when a bed is open, they should be sued and prosecuted.