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Making the Grade: Scientology Prepares Us for the Future

DocBrownClaire Headley is taking us on our journey to train as Scientologists. She and her husband Marc were Sea Org workers who escaped from Scientology’s International Base in 2005. She spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. Go here to see the first part in this series.

Last week, Claire, you introduced us to Scientology’s “security checks” — tough interrogations that all Scientologists eventually experience on their way up the “Bridge to Total Freedom.” Next on our way up the Bridge is Expanded Grade 3, which seems less menacing, but still carries some pretty steep prices.

CLAIRE: Well, after this and Grade 4 we’re on to Dianetics and the state of Clear…

THE BUNKER: In that case, where’s our checkbook!

CLAIRE: And this is what you get for your money: “Freedom from the upsets of the past and ability to face the future.”

THE BUNKER: What a bargain.

Up_The_BridgeCLAIRE: The focus of this grade is on one’s ability to experience change. Specifically, the theory is that all major life decisions are preceded by some event that one did not easily deal with. I don’t believe that’s a theory unique to Scientology. I’m sure there are parallels in psychology.

For example, someone goes through a divorce and then makes a major career change and moves to a completely new area, let’s say.

THE BUNKER: Sounds pretty common.

CLAIRE: The focus of this grade is to address and handle the upsets or traumatic events that took place prior to those major life changes. The focus is on one’s ability to accept change and not dwell on past upsets.

THE BUNKER: Those sound like common sense concerns, certainly.

CLAIRE: For me, this was a point where I resigned myself mentally to the cycle of “powering through” situations I ran into no matter how tough or overwhelming they seemed. And I’m not saying that was necessarily a good thing.

After all, isn’t a vital part of accepting change first evaluating, criticizing, and analyzing what went wrong? How one dealt with a situation and not blindly accepting change? Perhaps this was unique to my perspective, but “ability to experience change” for me, equated to accepting the hand you’ve been dealt here in Scientology.

THE BUNKER: Well, let’s look at some specifics from the grade. Here are some sample questions that you’ll be asked, over and over…

“What does another want unchanged about you?”

“Walk over to this spot. Now decide you have to appear there.”

“Find something about this universe you can accept.”

“Can you recall a time when others failed to change some energy in this Universe?”

“Can you recall a time when you failed to change another’s body?”

“What change of yourself have you avoided?”

“What have you not changed about yourself?”

“What could another make unknown to you about that (room object)?”

Except for the awkward wording, some of these could certainly make legitimate questions in any kind of therapy. But again, we wonder why it should cost so much money to be asked these questions, and about the robotic repetition.

Can you give us some sense of how this went when you experienced it?

CLAIRE: It was just more of the same, going through the motions because that’s what I had to do.

And yes, I agree with you in regards to some being possible therapy questions.

What I’ve never been able to reconcile, personally, is the fact that in Scientology auditing, they stress that you are never to evaluate for someone or tell them what to think about their case, and yet the steps that every single person needs to do are the same — this became a much more exaggerated discrepancy for me on the upper levels. But we’re getting to that.

THE BUNKER: In the grade material, we saw some references to exteriorization — when a Scientologist goes “outside” his or her body. Is that a key part of this grade?

CLAIRE: I don’t remember that being a focus at this stage. In Scientology auditing, if someone says they are exterior, the auditor will end the session immediately so the person can “enjoy their win.”

THE BUNKER: Note to self: When tired of auditing, claim to be exterior so auditor bugs off.

Claire, you figured that the last level would run about $30,000 in part because of all the sec checking. How about this time?

CLAIRE: No sec checking on this level, apart from the rudiment check for missed withholds at the start of each session. I’d estimate 15k as a fair average at this level.

COST THIS WEEK: $15,000

COST SO FAR: $103,197

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on September 3, 2013 at 07:00

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  • i-Betty

    Oh, Claire…the tedium! I can’t wrap my head around the fact that people actually pay for this stuff willingly (for the most part)!

    Thank you for another great masterclass 🙂

    • GlibWog

      Oh Betty you are welcome… Just send me the check and I will forward it to Claire…

      • i-Betty

        Bah, you’ll get cake and you’ll be happy with it! 😛

        • GlibWog

          oooooooooooh caek… Yes.. I will be very happy with it… Yum
          ( German Choch extra coconut Yippee)

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      My thoughts exactly! Thank you.

  • J. Swift

    “Find something about this universe you can accept.”

    Okay, I can accept that David Miscavige is an insanely violent criminal who belongs in prison.

    Wow! I blew charge on that.

    Thanks Claire!

    • InTheNameOfXenu

      Add Hubbard to THE insanely violent criminal who belonged in jail as well.

    • Cat Daddy

      Going up the bridge, on your way to OT 8 I see.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVAbr-af4-8

      • KJP in Portland

        Hey its Mr. Freaky Dude!

      • richelieu jr

        Say what you like, the guy is a real looker!

      • J. Swift

        No Bridge progress for me. The Church is not happy about the videos. Oh well. This is September and they are due for some serious surprises.

      • Phil McKraken

        You know, I finally figured out where that “stuck in an electronic incident” guy gets his freakout inspiration — http://movieclips.com/JTNvy-whats-up-doc-movie-howards-send-off/
        See the bit between 1:48 and 2:01.

        • GlibWog

          That is funny Phil you nailed it! How in the hell did you remember that… hilarious!

          • Phil McKraken

            I loved that movie at age 9, and never stopped loving it. I can recite practically every line of it.

            Hugh (Kenneth Mars): That story is about as believable as this potage au gelee.
            Judy (Babs): How would you like one sandwich de knuckles?

            • GlibWog

              hahahah that is funny… I love just classic movies that you can recite right along with them..

        • Eivol Ekdal

          he is good at unintelligible rants…
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8PLepHKj4k

        • Missionary Kid

          Edie McClurg is such a hoot!

          • Phil McKraken

            Uh… ahem… that’s Madeline Kahn.

            • Missionary Kid

              Damn. You’re right. The voice and hair is what fooled me.

              I thought that Edie’s voice was so distinctive that it was her.

              BTW, if you get a chance to see Madeline’s first movie, a crappy print of it is on the internet, but she plays a cigar-smoking lesbian in De Düva: The Dove. It’s a short that was nominated for an Academy Award.

              Tell me if you can understand the Swedish without the subtitles.
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X2QmLWWxq4

            • Robert Eckert

              I saw that! That and “Bambi Meets Godzilla” were the opening features for a $1 presentation of “Plan Nine from Outer Space” (which is a short movie so they added some fillers for the time slot).

            • Missionary Kid

              I went and saw Tommy at a second-run theater. De Düva was playing with it as a second feature, because Tommy was so long.

              When I got to work on Monday, I was talking with a co-worker, and he happened to see the same films. I asked him how he liked De Düva, and he said he liked it, “But the audience was so disrespectful” because they kept laughing.

              You know why. I’m not going to give it away to people who haven’t seen it.

            • richelieu jr

              You know, MK, for all the publicity you give that film, you should really get a percentage.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ll push it even though I don’t get any of the non-existent percentage. It’s one of my favorites: shot just as if it were an early Bergman film. Having Madeline Kahn (who I didn’t know then) in it is a bonus. I looked for the movie for 25 years. This is the best “print” I’ve found.

              Also, it’s a great parody of Swedes, and we need more fun made of us.

              My Swedish relatives didn’t think much of Bergman. I think he was brilliant, but knowing my heritage, I found a lot of what he did made me uncomfortable, because it shined a light on some of the darker corners of Swedish culture, so I understand their ennui.

              Maybe because both Bergman and Sven Nykvist were both the sons of ministers, I also relate to them. Sven is a MK, like me as well. I had a chance to hear him speak to some film students, but I had to go back to work before the Q & A, dammit.

              Story:
              The students told me later that Nykvist did a quick lighting demo, without a light meter. When they walked through the set afterwards with a meter and a model, everything was lit perfectly for the scene.

              Being a PK or an MK gives you a different attitude, believe me. I probably project some of that identification into Bergman’s films, although I didn’t know his dad was a Lutheran minister until years after I’d first seen his films.

              To show some of my tastes, another of my favorite movies is Being There. By the time it was released, I had lost respect for Peter Sellers because it seemed he was just repeating his shtick, so I didn’t see it until it had been out for a couple of years. I’d been a fan of his since about 1960, so I’d seen a lot of his work well before he got popular with the Pink Panther series. Shirley MacLaine is a hoot in that movie, too.

            • richelieu jr

              I love Being there and Bergman as well (not a Swede thought).

              I met Nykvist in Western Colorado in the late 80s totally by chance; He was very nice, self effacing and polite…
              A great talent..

            • Missionary Kid

              Bergman, as my impression in Sweden was in the early 70s, kind of a prophet without (or little) honor in his own country.

              The story I heard was was that his attitude towards the church first started to change when, as a boy, he happened into the church and saw his father and the organist getting it on.

              Nykvist not only talked the talk, but he walked the walk. The students were simply in awe of him, and it wasn’t just because of his reputation. He took time to teach while he was talking about his experiences. I seem to remember that he talked about wanting to shoot (or having shot) in Africa, where his parents had been missionaries and he spent time as a young boy.

              I love the quotes they have from him in IMDB. “Today we make everything so complicated. The lighting, the camers, the acting. It has taken me thirty years to arrive at simplicity.”

              “Light is with you – you do not have to feel you are alone.”

            • Missionary Kid

              Read my edited reply.

      • RMycroft
      • GlibWog

        I wonder if that guy is still around..

        • Robert Eckert

          George Bailey just hasn’t been the same since his wife disconnected.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IpGYROU3Vk

          • GlibWog

            Now that is funny Robert. I love this movie.. It is one that I was talking about that you can just recite right along with it..

      • Eclipse-girl

        I had seen the original (uncut) video. I like this one better.

      • BananaSplits8

        Seriously. Anyone know what happened to this scilon version of a Middle-Earth wizard?

  • Nevermore

    Seriously, after 5 minutes of that I would wrap an ashtray round their head. And that’s just for the awkward phrasing of the questions, not for the tedium and repetition, or the ridiculous fees. $ciloonery really is not the {religion} for me!

    • KJP in Portland

      Yes, {religion} in the appropo brackets!

  • Krew13

    I read about a guy who had an auditing session with Top Gun and he spent 3 hours being told by the short one to shout at a mug to move position, and then had to move it himself. In most places, that kind of behaviour would be grounds for committal to a secure psych ward. Which, coincidentally, is why Sciloons hate psychiatry. And it’s also why Top Gun’s career is in the toilet and has to rely on Mission Impossible sequels to have a hit.

  • Johnny Tank

    I ask myself these exact questions all the time. Nothing wrong with that, is there..?

    • Phil McKraken

      That depends. How much do you pay yourself for the privilege?

      • Johnny Tank

        Not enough, obviously…

  • So, a hundred thousand dollars well spent, eh?

    • BananaSplits8

      It’s disgusting. In the wog world, 100K buys you an impressive college degree. In scientology, the acquired knowledge barely qualifies you to operate a cash register.

      • RMycroft

        But if you want to work in retail, you’ll have to unlearn stuff like standing by the door and not letting anyone leave until they’ve given you all their money.

        • i-Betty

          You’re on a roll today, Mycroft!

      • KJP in Portland

        No sh*t…

  • Krew13

    A brilliant and accurate pisstake of fat prick Hubbard and the rest of the Sciloons
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEyXcrSH_Vg

    • Once_Born

      The only inaccuracy is that the actor is photogenic, engaging has a good suit and knows how to wear it.

      In contrast, Hubbard’s ‘dressing up and posing’ always reminds me of an embarrassing, talentless amateur actor who thinks he looks incredible, but is just not getting it right. Only a carefully prepared and vetted audience would take him seriously.

      I submit the following ‘Lord of Saint Hill Manor’ pose in support of my argument.

      • Robert Eckert

        What are the black gloves for? Why is he posing for a picture in a posture that totally rumples his suit?

        • Once_Born

          He seems to think that the gloves are very ‘English country gentleman’. However, in the UK they were actually associated with violent east-end gangsters (who wore heavy leather gloves to protect their hands, when beating victims to a pulp).

          • GlibWog

            How apropos

        • Once_Born

          The black gloves are probably intended to say ‘English country gentleman’. He obviously did not realise that black leather gloves were actually associated with East End gangsters, who used them to protect their hands (and prevent fingerprints) while beating victims to a pulp.

      • GlibWog

        Yep.. You supported it all right..

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    The trick is to think how happy you will be when the session is over. Then, like magic, your auditor will tell you your needle is floating and the session is over. This is what I like to call “magical thinking”. You’ll be OT in no time!

    My PSA I missed yesterday and also today’s:

    http://i41.tinypic.com/14e28o7.jpg

    http://i39.tinypic.com/24ya809.jpg

    • Nevermore

      I can barely contain my excitement!

      • KJP in Portland

        Rather, contain my excrement…

    • Phil McKraken

      The “No One Is Too Busy…” is the best one yet! It encapsulates so much in such a simple message. Poetic.

      • GlibWog

        Wow.. So Powerful Hole. .. Phil is right..

    • RMycroft

      “Auditing? Oh no, that’s next door. It’s being-hit-on-the-head lessons in here.”
      “What a stupid concept!”

      • Robert Long

        What was that, Meaning of Life? Gotta love the Monty Python references.

        • It’s from the Argument Clinic sketch:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

          • KJP in Portland

            Mr. Cleese forever. A nod to Mr. Idle as well.

            • N. Graham

              Good to give Eric a nod, but it’s Michael Palin and John Cleese, not Eric Idle. Gold star for liking Monty Python though.

            • richelieu jr

              Michael Palin, the nicest guy int he world

              (and a terrible Counterfeit Richelieu, if you ask me!)

            • Robert Eckert
            • richelieu jr

              Ah Oui, I did that crazy thing..!

          • monkeyknickers

            LOVE.

        • richelieu jr

          Difficult to tell Scientology’s PR department and legal strategy from the Argument clinic.

    • shasha40

      Oh, Hole , they’re Epic ! I Love Shelley’s. Wonder how many Scions get too say they’re too busy, too broke or any other reason why they can’t come to the Stooper Powerz opening ? {{ Hey Tiny Dick, you gonna let her get away with being ” too busy” to show up to your event ? Yeah , you can’t change her mind or anything …What a wuss ! }}

      • GlibWog

        ” I would like to thank my loyal, devoted lovely wife Shelly for her dedication to both Scientology and myself. She is currently working on the most sophisticated endeavor ever known to mankind.

        I have attempted numerous times to persuade her to take just one minute out of her schedule, just one moment of celebration and yet she resisted for the sake of all of you..

        ” YAKITY, SMACKITY.. BLAHDA, BLAHDA.. WHOOPY HO.. AND ETCETRA ETCETRA…”

        • KJP in Portland

          Etcetera barh hrumph…

          • Robert Eckert

            Or as LRH would say “and so on and so forth…”

        • Gus_Cox

          You know, GlibWog, you might have nailed it there. Dickwipe would say that and then present a little video of Shelly saying hello, and telling the enraptured audience at the Event that she was working really hard on some sooper-great stuff. That way, He could script it, and He would be certain that she says exactly what He wants her to say – while “proving” that she’s still alive and well.

          I won’t be a bit surprised if that is exactly what happens.

          • GlibWog

            OMG Gus..hahhahaha He’s probably reading us right now and thinking..

            ” THAT’S WHAT I’LL DO! ” Excellent!

            Why didn’t any of you CS think of that..I have to go to Ortega’s site and read some Effin Sps tell me what I should do! ” hahah

          • Missionary Kid

            That sounds about right.

            The only problem is, what’s he going to do with Laurisse Schtuppendwarf?

    • KJP in Portland

      It would be better if they just imploded in 32 days and save everyone from the hassle and the mucho-expensive gyro-ride.

    • Gib

      you forgot the cognition part. Like “oh, the room seems brighter”. Just had to mock-up some realization to end the session.

      Or how about the EP of Grade 1 which is “able the recognize the source of problems and make them vanish”,

      Here’s the cognition I had – scientology is the source of my problems. The organization created more problems for me than I had as a mere mortal. LOL

    • Jgg2012

      They just sold their Boston and La Mesa buildings, raising another $20million. I won’t be impressed when the biuilding they had to sell other buildings for is finally opened (if it ever is).

  • Krew13

    Sciloons didn’t like auditing being satirised! As the scene shows, repetition is the key to their brainwashing techniques.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hakQFZh8QpA

    • ze moo

      This vid from the Master is blocked in the US.

      • Krew13

        🙁

        Not to go all conspiratorial but I wonder if that’s because of the Sciloons?

        • KJP in Portland

          Shit, they’d litigate a turd if they didn’t like it. Sheesh.

          • Missionary Kid

            “They’d litigate a turd if they didn’t like it.” Goes on my list of things said about $ciontology. You’re on fire today. First, Skankatology, now this.

            • KJP in Portland

              It was that damn Tri-Met bus sign that I saw on the way home this morning. I couldn’t believe that our dear mass transit system sold advertising to the bastards. “What is Scientology?”. Lord, if only I could do graffiti on that sign…

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve started a list for replies to the question. It’s attached to your original post about seeing the ad on a Tri-met bus.

        • Interested

          Blocked in the UKToo -:(((

        • Robert Eckert

          What is weird is that the other “Master” clip (PSH as pseudo-LRH calling someone who dares question him a “pig fuck”) is fine.

    • KJP in Portland

      Hey that looks like the chiropractor cum scientologist that audited me some 35 years ago when I was a walk-in for that personality-test, whatever-test it was. I’m sure even at 17 or so, that I stymied them. They spotted ‘trouble’ and didn’t seem to bug me again!

  • sugarplumfairy

    The little being scientologists must be masochists..

    • Cat Daddy

      The Church of SadoMachochismology

      • Missionary Kid

        That’s an excellent new nickname. Here’s my list of Nicknames for the Co$, as it stands now:
        SCIENTOLOGY
        $cesspoolintology
        $ciloonery
        Bridge to Total Fleecedom
        Church of SadoMachochismology
        ClamCo
        Clamland
        CLAMydia
        corporate clamatology
        Hor$eShitology
        lurch of scientiotoly
        Para$ci-tology
        Para$citology
        Para$citology
        S-Lying-Tologists
        S-Lying-Tology
        Sacred church of Profit and Human Bondage
        Sciendollary
        scifiology
        Sciloontology
        Scumatology
        The CLAM SCAM
        The Clampire
        Turd-filled volcano

        Reply to this comment if you have one to add.

        • KJP in Portland

          My bad…sorry, you DO have ‘Skankatology’ already. I thought I had a goodie for the list. You beat me to it!

          • Missionary Kid

            No! It’s not, “your bad.” I stole it from you. That’s what inspired me to post the list this morning. 😀

            • KJP in Portland

              Lol! ok then! The cult does have that aroma about itself…

          • KJP in Portland

            Another ‘church’ name: Clamwitz

            • Missionary Kid

              What does the suffix -witz mean?

            • Robert Eckert

              I assume it is to echo Auschwitz, but it really doesn’t work unless the first syllable is also suggestive, as in an old nickname for the animator’s working rooms at the Disney company “Mouseschwitz” or my friend’s nickname for Coalinga, California “Cowschwitz”

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks, I’m waiting for KJP’s explanation. In German, witz supposedly means wise. In the Urban dictionary, it seems to mean “trend setter.”

        • sugarplumfairy

          Andrew came up with the best name yet for superpowers central: Flagwarts ..

          • Missionary Kid

            Thanks, I added it to the list.

          • KJP in Portland

            Nah, Flagwitz is more like it.

            • Missionary Kid

              Explain, please.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Hogwarts is where Harry Potter and friends learned their super powers.. Flagwarts is perfect to describe the school where the scientological big being-wannabees go to learn theirs.. wonder if they’ll get to fly brooms around that eerily lighted running track..

        • Graham

          I can’t see $camatology on the list?

          • Missionary Kid

            Done. Refresh.

  • Truthiwant

    By this stage in the auditing cycle, the auditing commands are becoming less mundane and more space opera orientated -‘change another’s body’ or ‘ change some energy in this universe’.

    Even up to ‘Clear’ nobody insists that you have to see yourself as some galactic being or even just as a Roman emperor or Napolean’s chef or whatever but there is a hint of going into past lives. Later on it is required. However, the silly thing is that you, as a pre-Clear, WANT to see yourself in some past life because, in a way, this is one of the reasons you got in to Scientology. Scientologists distinguish themselves from common wogs because they can ‘prove’ that they have lived millions of past lives.

    Honestly, the auditing by this stage is pure brainwashing and by now you have been exposed to Scientology for some time and probably already have a second mortgage on your house, so you feel that you must continue even if you have doubts. The pressure on you from the Organization is tremendous by this point, both financially and mentally. ‘We are the only group that can save the world’ or ‘This is your eternity’. It’s frightening.

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      I guess once you realize that 100.000$ has brought you nothing but a certain deftness with Co$ jargon and, due to the brainwashing, a thoroughly empty will of your own, you have only this tiny bit of personal pride to salvage: admitting you have been royally had would be the very last straw.
      I think that it is why so many exes cling to their ‘tech’ and become indies as a device to prove they are not total idiots.

      • Truthiwant

        Nobody likes admitting to have been duped. Some people even have a very hard time admitting to have been wrong about something. However, one of the most important factors about leaving Scientology is to admit to yourself that you have been wrong, duped and wasted a whole load of money.

        When I discovered this personally, after looking at the internet for two solid days, I sat back and admitted this and said out loud to myself “I deplore Scientology. Totally.”

        This admission and these words said out loud were very therapeutical for me and it was the beginning of a new era from that very moment. I felt fantastic. It was like waking up from a nightmare that had taken over my mind for years. And the strange thing was that it was SO easy to do. I simply admitted that I had been duped. After that the feeling was amazing. I felt free and it was a great feeling.

        I suddenly realized how bad the whole of Scientology really is and how the whole Organization is based on fucking up people’s minds. I realized that I didn’t have to make any more excuses for not going down to the Org to study and of course I realized all the nonsense that they talked about regarding ‘eternity’ is just that – nonsense. I also realized that I didn’t have to ever give one more cent to the IAS or Superpower or some other ridiculous money making project of theirs.

        Scientology wants to sell you freedom. The more you spend and the freer you supposedly become.

        The real truth is that the more you spend (in time and money) the more you are a slave to Scientology. Having been brainwashed for years, It is a wonderful feeling to ‘escape’ from this prison and be able to see the light again, which of course is the same light that was there before I ever entered the cult. I felt that I had returned to being ‘me’.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I am glad you were able to escape.

          • KJP in Portland

            Me too.

        • BananaSplits8

          It’s ironic how ex-scientologists describe leaving the cos as their biggest win of all.

          • Truthiwant

            Yeah, it’s true.

            An ex-Scientologist is not an easy person to be duped again. He’s got anti-duping antennas all over him after escaping from the cult. Once bitten twice shy would be an understatement!

        • KJP in Portland

          How quickly does the Cult bounce you out if you’re resistant or defiant at their brainwashing attempts? I’m just curious on this point. Nothing more.

          • Truthiwant

            I think I can safely say that this depends on how much money you have. If you have a big bank account then they will try to keep you in even if you are doubting them.
            I had a big account at the beginning but they took hold of that quite quickly. When I started to make problems and at that point I had no more money, they couldn’t give a shit about me and my situation. Maybe that’s just as well in the end. Who knows, if I had had more money, they probably would have got it out of me somehow.

            • Interested

              Shit. That is sad.!

            • GlibWog

              Ohhh Interested.. It starts off Sad,
              But ends up so Gloriously Happy!

            • GlibWog

              I am so proud of you Truth.. When you started the 2 day Search on the Net.. I can just hear you saying.. ” Wait…What? A Hole? Hub conman liar? and on and on.. What an eye opener..

              I can’t imagine how freeing that must have been.. Just Amazing. I could hear stories like this all day..

              and for lurkers out there.. You never know what will connect with them… Thank you for sharing..

        • Marie Claire Wolf

          Freedom is free as you have found out.

        • Xique

          Nobody likes admitting to having been duped. You can say that again. The reward in doing so is the getting back to being “me” part . Happy for you !

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          yay!

  • Krew13

    Not sure it’s a good idea to have that pic from Back to the Future. I know it’s just a visual gag in reference to the “future” aspect of Sciloon brainwashing, but to a casual observer who sees the pic at the top of the thread, it may look like poor Christopher Lloyd is a Sciloon, which happily he is not at all!

    • shasha40

      That’s why there’s the Lovely article to read . And if they don’t know what Tony’s blogs about it’s a catchy way to get someone’s attention so they will read and find out . : D

  • Krew13

    If Sciloons could travel back in time, you’d think Tom would’ve gone back and stopped himself marrying SPs like Nicole or Katie, and Kirstie would’ve gone back to stop herself turning into a fat useless hag, and Travolting would’ve gone back to prevent all those totally untrue and false allegations of inappropriate behavior at gay saunas that he never ever went to from emerging. For example, he could’ve stopped this photo being taken, which, by the way, does not change the fact that he’s a totally 100% hetero male. He was just kissing an old pal, like you do.
    http://anthonypeoples.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/travoltajeffkathrein.jpg

    • KJP in Portland

      …and his ‘moobs’ were sooo manly! (That was just a disgusting picture. If I were him, I would’ve paid MILLIONS to have that wiped off the Internet. He is starting to look real freaky (Sorry, my opinion, yes…but some of us were teens when he made the disco stuff. We thought Olivia was hot and he was what we should be…now turns my head and *coughs*)

  • Espiando

    “Can you recall a time when others failed to change some energy in this Universe?”

    Yeah, Chernobyl.

    Assuming that Hubtard The Nuclear Physicist wrote this checksheet, don’t you think he would have known that energy can’t change into anything? Of course, he was also the same one who came up with “MEST”, which implies that mass and energy are different things, and that space and time are separate. Wrong, Einstein. In fact, it was Einstein who showed that it was wrong.

    The next time an Indie says that Hubtard was the greatest genius of the 20th Century, I’m going to find that person, hunt them down, kidnap them, and do an Alex DeLarge on them until they cognite that he wasn’t.

    • Observer

      It’s too bad he died earlier the year Chenobyl melted down. Imagine all the lives and resources that he could have saved with his knowledge of nucyoolar physics and OT sooper powerz!

      • KJP in Portland

        The Soviets probably would’ve shipped him to the GULAG system…

        • Robert Eckert

          As a consultant in techniques for breaking prisoners.

          • KJP in Portland

            Good one! I didn’t even think of that angle when I typed that little sentiment about LRH.

      • kemist

        Knowing how much pain his heritage is causing right now, I would have encouraged him to take the place of the workers on the site, using niacin to get rid of radiation.

        Come on, you nucular fisicist, put your MEST body on the line to prove those OT superpowerz to us mere mortals.

        • Missionary Kid

          “nucular fisicist” Perfect. A new nickname for LRH.

      • RMycroft

        Scientology claims that they did save lives at Chenobyl.

        http://theapolloseries.blogspot.ca/2012/04/children-of-chernobyl.html

        • Observer

          Of course they do. *facepalm*

          • i-Betty

            “Twenty men from the Kaluga region subjected to fallout from Chernobyl completed the program, with measurements indicating that the program accelerated the elimination of the radioisotope Cesium-137 from the body, along with improvements in their own subjective feelings of well-being. The first to complete it, Dr. Nikolai Voronsov, now serves as spokesman for Human Detoxification Services International, and works to help others through the program…

            …Because of Mr. Hubbard’s detoxification procedure, he said, “It’s really a new era in drug rehabilitation.” Drug addiction, he added, long considered a fatal disease in Russia, no longer needs to be.”

            SOS.

            • Marie Claire Wolf

              Anything for a buck, as Dr. Voronsov would know.

            • Nevermore

              He’s the doc from The Simpsons, right??

            • kemist

              Think of the sheer amount of damage that pompous buffoon would have made had he successfully infiltrated the USSR.

              It could have surpassed the Lysenko disaster.

        • KJP in Portland

          …and once again, for the 5,000th time, they’re full of shit and their (about to be quashed) egos.

    • KJP in Portland

      We could just assemble 100-strong and just chortle at them? Do they have Orgs too? We could picket the indies too…

  • Racnad

    Awkward working is common in Scientology patter. I once listened to a take where LRH attempted to cure a sore throat by repeatedly asking “From where did you communicate to a throat?”
    I think the awkward language adds to the mystery. Awkwardness is similar to unneeded complexity, which people tend to confuse with brilliance.

    • Espiando

      “From where did you communicate to a throat?” Linda Lovelace could have answered that one.

  • RMycroft

    I see why David Miscavige couldn’t have just any old tent in Clearwater–he has to speak in the future tents.

    • 1subgenius

      That’s intense!

      • GlibWog

        You guys.. OK I’ll give you an upvote for Corn… I groaned, but I did NOT
        Snickersnort!

        • 1subgenius

          Have you gone camping recently?
          I think you may be a little two tents.

          • cicely neville

            Stop with your bad selves already. i haven’t had coffee yet!

            • KJP in Portland

              Cream? Sugar? 🙂

          • q-bird

            wanting needing some chuckles today — you 1Sub –&– you Mycroft… ;-} !!!
            intensive a.m. bantering…

            Top of the morning to ya darling dears.

          • GlibWog

            OMG… Yes.. I have gone camping recently Sub.. I was roasting my weinie in the fire..

            Then I left him there..

            • 1subgenius

              We had a whole pun thing going here, and then this.
              What was your intent?

            • GlibWog

              Hmmm My Intent.. OH I get it IN TENT ..
              Just seeking Con Tent ment

            • GlibWog

              OK… Who Downied me.. HMMMMMMMMMMMM I am keeping my eyes opened ..I got ways.. Ways I tell ya..

            • Robert Eckert

              1subgenius is being strict today. Apparently he only likes puns in which the sentence reads grammatically with both senses of the word. You could say, for example, that since the tent is being built by a conman, it is a con tent, and that is what “con tent” meant.

            • GlibWog

              ” I WILL GET HIM MY PRETTY… AND HIS DOG TOO! ”

              OK going to bed yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwn see you crazies when I awaken xo

            • i-Betty

              Sweet dreams, Glibby 🙂

            • RMycroft

              Tension, apprehension, and dissension have begun.

            • KJP in Portland

              Better than dissection and vivisection! (Glad Skankatology doesn’t own or have medical schools!)

            • KJP in Portland

              Fringes of the Inner Tents!

            • Robert Eckert

              I never roast my wienie in the fire. That sounds painful.

            • GlibWog

              bawwwwwwwwwwhahahahhahahah OUCH

            • KJP in Portland

              ROFLMAO!

          • KJP in Portland

            The tent shun is getting to me…

        • Observer

          I’m right there with ya, Glib.

          • GlibWog

            Obs.. It must be our sophisticated sense of humor… bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwhaha

      • KJP in Portland

        In tents!

    • i-Betty

      Will he be using high-tentsile steel pegs to secure his future tents?

      • Robert Eckert

        If somebody asks him about Shelly, will this make him more tents?

        • i-Betty

          I hope I’m pitching this at the right audience, as I tried to canvas opinion on this subject but they were poles apart.

          • Marie Claire Wolf

            Maybe just tent-a-tive…

            • 1subgenius

              Amateurs are requested to leave the thread.

            • BananaSplits8

              Don’t be such a malcontent.

            • Robert Eckert

              Armatures are requested not to get so wound-up.

          • GlibWog

            OOOOOOOOOOOOh good one Betty!

          • KJP in Portland

            Like X 2! Funny iB! (pitching…lol!)

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            I think you’ve got us pegged i-Betty.

          • monkeyknickers

            That one is my favorite Betty. FinESSE girl. That’s what you got.

            And who is downvoting the punning ??

            It’s like . . . the irresistible force. WE HAVE TO OKAY.

        • 1subgenius

          Certainly.
          If the structure does not withstand the weather that’s a portent.

          • q-bird

            yer killin’ me smalls… killin’ me…

            stop it.

            no don’t.

            • 1subgenius

              That reaction is exactly what puns are meant to elicit.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              If the pun does elicit, the pun is sufficient.

            • Robert Eckert

              If the pun is illicit, the pun elicits.

          • Robert Eckert

            If it rains hard, that will be a pour tent.

            • q-bird

              that’s it!

            • Robert Eckert

              It looks like a poor tent already.

      • 1subgenius

        If only there was a way to double downvote…..

        • i-Betty

          I smell discontent!

          • 1subgenius

            May I suggest googling the concept of puns.

            • i-Betty

              I’m an English teacher; I know what a pun is. I was just having some fun 🙂

              Fun is permitted. Fun is good!

            • 1subgenius

              An English teacher, forsooth!
              I defer to your expertise.
              But alas, I fear I have grown weary of all this clever word play, and must take my leave.
              Fare thee well all you erstwhile punsters. Proceed in my absence.
              By my absence ye shall know me even better.

            • Missionary Kid

              “By my absence ye shall know me even better.” Too bad that can’t be said about DM and his {chirch}.

            • KJP in Portland

              We’ll STILL see it in our lifetimes.

            • Once_Born

              Shakespeare visits a camping equipment shop, in the middle of winter, looking to equip himself for a family holiday next year.

              The salesman tells him, “you’ve come at just the right time, sir”.
              Why’s that?” asks Shakespeare, “well”, says the salesman,
              “Now is the winter of our discount tents”…

            • 1subgenius

              I am in awe, and humbled by your magnificent acuity.
              You, Sir or Madam, have my deepest respect.

            • GlibWog

              Bawwwwwwwwwhahahah AND WE HAVE A WINNER..

            • i-Betty

              Wonderful 😀

            • GlibWog

              I used to be a teacher..

              But Now I ain’t got no class.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Ya couda’ been a schola’, ya couda’ been somebody!

          • KJP in Portland

            iB gets an ‘uppie’ from me for that one!

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            I’m so wrong, but I saw this as the Imp-a-tent D(warf)-is-con-tent.

            • Kitz

              *Snerk* You are very wrong, but we love you anyway. 😉

    • 1subgenius

      Yes everyone, it is I doing the downvoting, policing the thread and exacting punishment.
      Attempt a pun at your peril.

      • RMycroft

        Or face the punishment?

      • GlibWog

        OOOOOOOOOOOh so it was you my friend..

        Et tu, Brute?

        • Robert Eckert

          He has certainly been a brute.

      • George Layton

        If their intent is to put 10000 people in that con tent, there won’t many of them that will be content.

        • i-Betty

          Love the Con Tent 🙂

    • Missionary Kid

      It would be interesting to know what the occupancy limit on a tent that size is, and if the fire marshal has the guts to enforce it if Co$ exceeds it.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      AND… if he built a whole colony of them under pressure, would it be intensities in tent cities?

      • richelieu jr

        Intestinal Fortitude!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      He’s already been in past tents, spoken in present tents and looks forward to speaking, as you say, in future tents but will he ever, ever speak in the perfect tents, past present or future?

  • aquaclara

    Since the checks are written ( and likely cashed as well) before the first class starts, someone could have been fooled into thinking they were getting some BIG, SPIRITUAL THING for their money. Especially back before the Internet. But today??? How do people fall for this?

    • shasha40

      They ” choose not to inform themselves of the readily available truth here on ” the Fringes of the internet . ” bol . that’ll never get old. ” finges of the internet !

      • GlibWog

        Yep.. Plus you know we are all Big Meanies..

        • Eclipse-girl

          Some people do not research or want to make sure they get both sides of the story. After all we are Big Meanies (TY for that one Glib)

        • KJP in Portland

          We’re the ones their moms warned them about!

        • Nevermore

          I’m a big meany who is also dependent on Big Pharma. And chocolate!

      • Observer

        If we’re on the fringe, where’s the center?

        • Ciru

          The official scientology website of course. I heard somewhere that it’s one of the most visited sites on the internet.

          • Interested

            Oh yeah! Ho hum.

            • KJP in Portland

              {Group Yawn}

          • KJP in Portland

            Who compiled those statistics? LOL!

            • BananaSplits8

              Well, first you eliminate all websites that start with the letter A through R, then T through Z…

            • Ciru

              Who do you think compiled statistics like that?!

              LOL @ the irony deficient person who down-voted my last comment. 🙂

    • monkeyknickers

      It’s an arms race between predator and prey.

      The con gets better. The cream of the recruiting crop rise to the top, and then float back down to the bottom with a new patsy in their jaws.

      • aquaclara

        I understand how people fall for the cult and the “miracle cure” gibberish that’s promised for every possible supposed failing in one’s life. The mind control is an awful and predatory thing. We see examples of this every day, and it’s just awful.

        Now we look at these classes that Claire is walking us through. In college, when you put money down for a course, you read the course description, talk to all the people you know, find out what the subject is, and see if the course is worth both your dollars and time.

        What’s the course description for each of these classes that gets people to willingly put down hard cash so readily? This is what I am now trying to get my head around – the hard money transaction for a course that really makes no sense.

  • Snake Plissken

    “Can you recall a time when others failed to change some energy in this Universe?”

    Why yes I can, it actually happens quite often,

    A Scientologist staff members walks into an org, flips the light switch and realizes the utility bill has not been paid.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Oh indies ….you got some s’plainin to do ….preferably in English

    • GlibWog

      A Freakin Men.. Not getting it?

  • KNMF

    Clarity is terrific. Throw out the cold medicine. Smash you glasses. You’ll notice that you now have perfect….

    …memory. That’s it, memory.

  • Lark Smith

    Oh my! Over a $100,000 to have your brains scrambled.
    “Perhaps this was unique to my perspective, but “ability to experience change” for me, equated to accepting the hand you’ve been dealt here in Scientology.” Ouch!
    Another thoughtful assessment Claire. Thank You.

    • 1subgenius

      Pay to have them convince you that you have problems only they can fix.
      Pay to have them cause you to have problems only they can fix.
      Pay to have them make the problems worse.
      Repeat.

      • Missionary Kid

        That went into my file of Things said about $cientology. Unfortunately, it’s true.

        • KJP in Portland

          MK…add “Skankatology” to your LRHexicon, please!

      • KJP in Portland

        A billion years and every penny that you, your family, your friends, your neighbors have. And, it STILL won’t be enough for those leeching bastards!

    • Mooser

      “Oh my! Over a $100,000 to have your brains scrambled.”

      These days, you can buy a used power-boat for about, oh, $50,000, have another $50k left for moorage and maintenance, and meet ten guys just like L Ron Hubbard drinking on their poop-decks at the Yacht Club every day.
      An alcoholic ex-Navy failure as an officer, posing as a know-it-all. Hell, we got a million of those up here.

  • Mark

    Oh dear. Best I could come up with, confronted by this extortionate, mind-liquidising tarradiddle. Hold onto your breakfasts…

    “Walk over to this spot. Now decide you have to appear there.”

    • GlibWog

      Maaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk! Grosse.. ( Funny.. and yes Snickersnort worthy..) hahahha

      • Mark

        “Grosse” as in ‘Grosse Pointe Blank’? – which I used to imagine was a film about a Canuck’s battle with particularly obstinate whitehead…

        • KJP in Portland

          Lol! I like to see ‘guy humor’ here, but the ladies prob will razz us good about the groase stuff. So, I keep it a low profile 🙂

          • Mark

            You’ve probably not had many female friends who were nurses.

            • Nevermore

              I always end up working in teams where I’m the only woman, so don’t mind me – I doubt you’ll say anything I haven’t heard or even said myself!

          • CraftLass

            I guess you don’t know the truth about women – when there’s no guys around, we tend to be far more disgusting than guys ever are. I say this as a woman who spent years as the only female on the road with many males, and “on the road” means “grossest humor ever” since you are always around each other and constantly need to one-up.

            We’re just better at hiding such behavior when both genders are around. 😀 It’s yet another form of conditioning, we’re raised to hide anything that might be “unattractive” from men lest we wind up old maids. The stupid thing is, I find most men like a woman who is just her honest self and can play the gross-out game as well as any guy a whole lot better than a woman who tries to put on her lady-mask. But that’s just my personal anecdotal experience.

    • Observer

      As malevolent luck would have it, I actually *am* eating breakfast. Thanks.

      • Marie Claire Wolf

        When visiting the bunker you must take precautions: eating and drinking while reading is at your own perils. 😉

        • BananaSplits8

          Yes, it’s one of those things we each had to learn through experience. Bless our hearts.

      • Mark

        Oh, I’m sorry Obs. There was lots of much worse stuff out there as usual (why the hell do people feel so proud of their dermatological problems?), but at least I found a {lovely} font called ‘Pustule’ which will come in very useful indeed for describing LRH & DM.

        • KJP in Portland

          Now THAT’S funny, Mark! I want that pustule font!

          • Mark
            • KJP in Portland

              I see it! Oh, that’s funny! I like it. Wonder what fun I can have with it, even on Facebook! *mischievous snicker*

  • shasha40

    I tried to get a life , I really did but I missed the Bunker TOO much ! LRH really was quite the writer… of stupid BS ! ” walk over to this spot, now decide you have to appear there.” {{{ OMX, it works ! I walked over here then decided I had to be there and I am ! Bring on the OT levels, I’m Already cause over MEST ! So many lulz to enjoy. Thank you, Claire , wonderful per usual .

  • 0tessa

    How would Miscavige answer these questions I think? Maybe like:

    “What does another want unchanged about you?” Eh…, nothing? No, kidding. I’m beyond changing. They know it.

    “Walk over to this spot. Now decide you have to appear there.” I’ m not walking over to this spot. Let’s go to the bar.

    “Find something about this universe you can accept.” Ah! That’s easy, nice question. The answer of course is Money! And Sex of course … or maybe power, yeah.

    “Can you recall a time when others failed to change some energy in this Universe?” Well, this happens all the time. Have you have tried to work with degraded beings?! Man, I tell you, they make me so angry.

    “Can you recall a time when you failed to change another’s body?” No, not at all. I mean just a little push every now and then, so easy to do that. Or I order some staff to do it for me. Piece of caek, really.

    “What change of yourself have you avoided?” Changing … myself?! Are you kidding? I just cannot change. Period. I won’t, as a matter of fact. Unnecessary too. My personnel has to change. I see to that.

    “What have you not changed about yourself?” That’s the same question, innit? You need cramming man. Report yourself immediately.

    “What could another make unknown to you about that (room object)?” Ha, nobody can hide nothing from me! Spies everywhere. They are my eyes and ears. Stupid question.
    Auditor: your needle is floating, Sir.

    • KJP in Portland

      Bravo!

      • 0tessa

        Those questions asked for it really.

  • scnethics

    I’m sure no one is surprised to hear that in hundreds of hours of auditing, I rarely had any real-life, useful realization. If I hadn’t had the OT powerz carrot dangling in front of my face, I’m sure I would have questioned the therapy, but as it was, this was the only “grade” I didn’t enjoy.

    It wasn’t just the lure of the make-believe states of Clear and OT. I also enjoyed the devoted attention and interest I got from my auditor. I had a change of auditor for this grade and I had the feeling she didn’t give a crap about me, and that took most of the pleasure out of it. So I guess the design of the auditor/PC relationship does fulfill a very human need, or capitalize on a very human weakness.

    • Missionary Kid

      They’re also depending on a certain amount of transference, but the new auditor didn’t establish a relationship, which is needed for effective counseling.

      • scnethics

        Indeed! I think the most common varieties of transference you see in scientology auditing are the association of the auditor with LRH (you sort of consider that they are channeling your guru) or sexual attraction, which I never experienced with an auditor, but is fairly common, and sometimes is acted on (strictly forbidden, of course). Before Jessica Feshbach was Tommy Davis’ girlfriend, she was his security checker!
        “Do you collect sexual objects?”

        “Can I be the next one?”

  • Poison Ivy

    Tony, was on the go yesterday and couldn’t comment on the amazing reporting you (and Bryan Seymour) did on the Manuela story. Heartbreaking, terrifying, and just so stunning. It is indeed shocking that in this day and age, with all this info around, people are still ignorant of the evil power of Scientology’s mind control “tech.” To be able to convince a talented young woman to give up her dream – with promises of stardom – just plain evil. It’s so heartening to see how all the exes rally around those who need help.
    The intervention was terrifying in Manuela’s shut-down responses.
    I love how Bryan Seymour understands all Scientology’s tricks – like the “guy in black with camera” and the calls to police – and exposes them. There COULD be a Scientology public SOMEWHERE who’ll see that and start to question it.
    I hope this story is a big part of your book!

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      I also was away over the weekend and read Manuela’s story only last night, poor idealistic girl has not a chance in hell being just the sort Co$ lusts for. Too sad!

      • Mooser

        “poor idealistic girl”

        Seems more like a girl who is looking for the main chance, but doesn’t know where it is. But where I come from, that doesn’t matter. Even if she is standing there, begging, “please take advantage of me” that doesn’t excuse doing it.

  • RMycroft
    • Robert Eckert

      GREAT takedown!

    • Mark

      Those A$60 ‘Power Bracelets’ ended up in my local 99p store a couple of years ago. Still didn’t stop me wobbling on my bike. Not going to the pub did.

  • Krew13

    I wonder if Top Gun is still going around saying “I want a girlfriend! Why can’t I get a girlfriend! I want the child slaves in the Sea Orgs to fix my motorcycle and plant lots of flowers in a field for me and my beard, I mean bride, to run through!”

    • KJP in Portland

      A bearded bride! Maybe that’s what the big, mighty TC is REALLY looking for! 😀

      • KJP in Portland

        I apologize (in advance here for being kinda juvenile), but every time I hear or read the name ‘Tom Cruise’, I think of doorbells…DING DONG!

  • media_lush

    Boy, oh boy….. the lulz are strong with this one:

    “Will Smith and Jada Pinkett are reportedly on the verge of a breakup, and there are some sources who are stating that it’s because Will wants to officially come out as a Scientologist and Jada is against this.”

    http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2013/will-smith-jada-pinket-smith-break-up-scientology-separate-split-scientologist-0903/

    • Robert Eckert

      Meh. The columnist admits that the rumors are probably off the mark.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I remember a statement he once made to his grandmother, that he would never leave the christian church she was a part of. Isn’t Jada a $cientologist? If these rumors are true she doesn’t want him to admit to being a $cientologist because his career will suffer? Kind of ironic, isn’t it?

    • KJP in Portland

      Bummer to Will’s career endurance. Guess I’ll have to boycott his ‘works’ too; just like I do with TC. But my wife says: “TC makes great movies”. I tried the Hitler and rebuilding depression-era Germany…she still didn’t listen. I repeatedly ask Mrs. KJP to read Tony’s blog. No luck yet…but I keep trying (luckily she has no exposure to the nasty virus, aka: $cientology)

      • Eclipse-girl

        Luckily my Dh doesn’t really care for TC movies. I think he has watched some of the MI series, but they have been free and no one has asked to see OBLIVION

        • CraftLass

          I think even the biggest TC fans avoided Oblivion. lol

          One of my few strong memories from elementary school is going to a massive sleepover – every single girl in my grade, probably about 30 girls, right when Top Gun came out on VHS. I think it was someone’s 10th birthday party. Anyway, a bunch of the girls insisted on watching it over and over and over. By the end of the party, I hoped I would never see TC again. I couldn’t figure out why all these girls had crushes on him and felt even more like the weirdo outcast freak that I was.

          I was a huge Ann Rice fan so I saw Interview, and got dragged to Jerry McGuire (sp?), but those were the only exceptions to my “no TC” rule.

          I’d love to boycott his movies over his {religion}, but I’d been avoiding him for so long it’s hard to see that even as significant! I just find him profoundly un-entertaining as an actor. Luckily, my partner seems to agree, too. Action movies devoid of plot or meaning aren’t really our thing, anyway.

          Now, Will Smith – he’s another matter. I hate the thought of him doing these drills or being a Sci-bot more than almost any celebrity. I had the pleasure of meeting him a few times and he is still the funniest person I’ve ever met. He was warm, open, not even slightly a diva, and seemed to live to make people smile, even the peons in his midst like I was at the time. Exactly the opposite of the indoctrinated personality behavior I have seen from other sci-celebs. Granted, this was a long time ago… But whenever I hear of his connections to this mess, it shocks me all over again.

          Granted, if even a quarter of what the gossip rags post was true, Will and Jada would have broken up about 250 times by now for about that many reasons. lol

          • BananaSplits8

            The only TC movie I’ve seen in the past 15 years is Valkyrie, and only because I wanted to see how Eddie Izzard would pull off dressing as a nazi.

            • CraftLass

              Hahaha! That sounds like a good reason. And what was your verdict? 🙂

            • BananaSplits8

              Short answer: the movie itself was formulaic, but the very talented ensemble cast (xept TC) was a pleasure to watch. I kept hoping for David Bamber (Hitler) to break into familiar Mr. Collins tics and rambles.

            • CraftLass

              Just looked up the cast, wow, that is a really good ensemble! Kind of unfair for TC to have top billing in that bunch. I get why, but still a shame.

            • BananaSplits8

              My opinion is probably skewed, but I really thought the cast gave this movie their all. Cruise comes off as showing-up-for-work-and-his-agent-will-do-the-rest.

            • CraftLass

              I’ve heard that comment about a few of his later movies, even from people who are big fans of his. Kind of reminds me of musicians who get rich and find they no longer have anything of importance to write about, since poverty and struggle are major inspirations.

              One of the great ironies of many art forms – success can destroy precisely what motivated you. As you lose grip with the real world you lose the perspective you need to be creative. I can imagine that actually believing in a false reality would only exacerbate such a state…

              When someone has had lots of success and still works just as hard and finds inspiration all around, that’s a real artist, regardless of art form. You know they have deeper motivations that have managed to survive. Art should always be something you *have* to do, not just want to do. Someone who feels that way would never just phone it in.

          • Eclipse-girl

            Brad Pitt and Kirsten Dunst were OK in Interview. TC was miscast.

            I like WS, too.

            • CraftLass

              Agreed. Didn’t love the movie, but it was good enough for a book I loved. I usually despise movies based on books and that one was acceptable, high praise from this fusspot. lol Never understood the casting of TC at all and remember the uproar over it well. I suspect the only people who thought he was a good choice were the ones who actually hired him. I knew a few people who boycotted the movie over his casting and it had nothing to do with his faith at all back then, just bad casting and a sign that those making the movie didn’t really care about doing a good job with a story that people were absolutely obsessed with at the time.

              As big as that movie was, I bet they would have made a whole lot more money if it they had just changed that one bit of casting. It wasn’t exactly a role that would draw the typical TC-movie fan, not much action and a whole lot of talking. lol

        • Mooser

          I saw some of “Top Gun” on TV. It was stupid, I turned it off. I wouldn’t know Tom Cruise if he was standing in front of me.

          Okay, sure, but do you know who “BIg John Patton” was? To each his own, around here Joey D is ‘top gun’

    • ze moo

      A puff piece with no real sourcing and pure speculation. I wonder if the bills for ‘after earth’ are due???

    • Mooser

      “Carleton” was the talented one on that show. What ever happened to him?

      • Missionary Kid
        • Robert Eckert

          IMDB is better than Wiki for getting a sense of how an actor is doing. Aside from the bio page I always like to look at the industry credits: he’s still getting work.

          http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005355/filmotype

          • Missionary Kid

            I agree about IMDB. I just happened to have Wikipedia in another window.

            • Robert Eckert

              Ah, I see. I accumulate so many open windows I get wary of opening a new one sometimes, lest I get so much clutter I can’t find the window I’m looking for. Anyhow, Alfonso was absent from the screen 2004-10 because he was getting gigs behind the camera as a director, which is all good.

            • Missionary Kid

              I have a shortcut that I have for news and information sites that I often use in my Bookmarks (I use Firefox). I have both IMDB and Wikipedia under that shortcut.

              When I bookmarked (or even later, when I figured out that I found I often used a site) I added “[” to the title. Then, when I want to go to one of those sites, I just type in [ in the search window, and the list comes up. I have dictionaries, Wikipedia, Operation Clambake dictionary, Urban Dictionary, Snopes, and other names that appear when I do that.

              I got lazy, and just happened to have a Wikipedia window open. To go to OCMB, it would have only taken two keystrokes more.

            • Robert Eckert

              I have Google Chrome, and it gives auto-suggests as soon as I type a single letter into the browser bar: “t” is enough to give me the option of tonyortega.org or translate.google.com, “i” gets me IMDB, “y” gets me YouTube etc.

      • media_lush

        When Will was promoting After Earth with his son Alfonso Ribeiro tagged along and they did the Fresh Prince rap and dance on the talk show circuit.

        • ze moo

          Perhaps Alfonso’s best paying gig this year. I saw them doing it on the BBC, just proved to me that I don’t understand rap.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    103K and I am not even a mo-fo Clear yet?

    • Eclipse-girl

      No. Do you still want to continue? Actually you will have to continue or at least be hounded and harassed to give us (Co$) more money as we want you to be a better person. We have your best interest at heart.

      • BananaSplits8

        And your really big wins are just around the corner…

    • q-bird

      sh*t no. not yet. there’s more in store…. deal with it. handle it.

      just one more… just one moar…

    • Mooser

      “103K and I am not even a mo-fo Clear yet?”

      And nobody has noticed there’s another mortgage on the house? Or that there’s no food in the fridge anymore? I just don’t get it! And just try and get large amounts of cash out of the bank, even if it’s your own.

      • KJP in Portland

        I wonder if they donate their food-stamps to the church too?

  • Illinoisian

    Having read Claire’s “Up The Bridge” segments and moved through various reactions (curiosity, astonishment, puzzlement, laughter, disdain), this is what I see (as a ‘never in’) in these lengthy sessions: The content/subject matter of the questions is important only as a means of keeping the rational part of the brain and the language centers busy, deceived and, ultimately, exhausted. So we have the awkward phrasing and the talking to objects, and the questions that require answers about events in the past. With the thinking/evaluating part of the mind kept busy with non-essentials (that are masquerading as the essential part of the process), the real lesson is being drilled through repetition — simple and immediate obedience to commands. The commands are a mix of requests that make sense, or seem slightly odd, and some that would be seen as absurd to a rested, fully functioning mind. Some require spoken answers and some require moving around, doing a task and/or interacting with objects, but the person being audited is obeying, always obeying. Many ‘obedience situations’ are drilled and tested for acceptance by the person being audited. Both people involved are bound by the dictates of the e-meter and the reading of the needle, so CO$ and “the tech” are the ultimate authority in the room and both people are repeatedly accepting that authority (and this is another type of obedience that is being drilled and tested for acceptance by both persons in the room). The mind of a person who ‘goes exterior’ has found a way to escape from the lesson and is having a spontaneous experience of its own which is not part of the scripted session, and that is antithetical to the purpose of the session so the session is ended. My final thought is that while these scripts seem silly, absurd and comical to visualize, there is a chilling aspect here and a frighteningly effective technique for conditioning that has been carefully crafted into the text, activities and pacing of the session. (And I suspect that some if not many of you have read up on brainwashing and mind control and find this pretty obvious, but it has come to me slowly with reading Claire’s accounts.) I can’t really laugh at a person yelling at an ashtray in an auditing session. I see someone caught in an absurdly cruel situation, being told, and believing, that they are learning to be more assertive and forceful while he/she is actually learning to obey, quickly and without question, even senseless and stupid commands.

    Sorry to be so heavy and serious. Mind is still soaked in yesterday’s stories of people caught in the cult.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I think you have noticed what many of us never ins. It is a form of brainwashing. The repetitive nature is hypnotic. The giving and taking of commands trains you accept orders no matter what. It also forms a sense of dependence on being told what to do , in my opinion. Their brain is slowly being turned to mush.

      Remember, the person isn’t even clear yet. They haven’t gone through the really crazy OT III stage where they learn about the galactic empire and Xenu.

      • Robert Eckert

        Your mind has to be really really numb to the craziness of it all before you’re ready for the Xenu. That’s why LRH warned so strenuously against looking at the OTIII materials too early: they could cause you to come down with a bad case of “WTF? I’m so out of here!”

        • Eclipse-girl

          Thats right. If anyone is exposed to OT III material without $cientology training, they would die

          • Graham

            “If anyone is exposed to OT III material without $cientology training, they would die.” It’s a tribute to the brainwashing that nobody died laughing.

          • Robert Eckert

            Back when I joined (on Tony’s old blog at VV) we used to have a lot of true believer Scientologists and one of them seriously tried to warn us all to stop discussing Xenu or we would get a terrible case of the flu. He knew! He’d seen it happen! What might be my first post advised him to read “Chicken Soup for the Body Thetan”; I have been told I still need to write that book, but alas, I have not gotten around to it.

            • GlibWog

              OMG.. Write it Robert..Write it!

              When I lurked over at VV I just remember both the Still In’s and the Indies comin in defending Old Hubs.. Man they would just bombard the place..

              I can’t believe I lurked so long without joining.. Disq made a big difference to me..

              I lurked Marty’s blog ( His old one) before he was on the one he’s on now.. I can’t stand to hear one positive.. NOT one positive thing about this evil cult..

            • ThetaBara

              OMG, Chicken Soup for the Body Thetan! You must, you must!

    • joan nieman

      Excellent perception of the mind set of Scientology, or, the tec of brain washing.

    • Interested

      Well stated

  • ze moo

    Claire remarks on how changing auditors was a very noteworthy event. The auditor-auditee relationship is built on a very intense trust. Switching that trust to another auditor is a very big step in ‘accepting’ and buying in to the con. The key to any good con is ‘setting the hook’. A skilled auditor knows when to give the mark something they want and when to set the hook to get what the auditor wants. The entry levels of auditing call for different skills then auditing for Xenu’s brain cooties.

    By centralizing the money making operations, Lroon disassociated the auditors from their cash flow and drove many away. Pissing off your salespeople is not the best way to get bodies in the door. $cientology is paying the price for wanting all of the pie, lack of new meat being seduced by skilled entry level auditors is slowly killing the con.

    Claire has spent over 100 thousand and hasn’t even gone ‘clear’ yet. She has been successfully been sold on the con. It is insidious and don’t think that you are immune to something like that. Turd polishing is a major industry and some are very good at it.

    • Mooser

      “By centralizing the money making operations, Lroon disassociated the
      auditors from their cash flow and drove many away. Pissing off your
      salespeople is not the best way to get bodies in the door. $cientology
      is paying the price for wanting all of the pie, lack of new meat being
      seduced by skilled entry level auditors is slowly killing the con”

      If I had the capacity to, and did all the work involved in “setting the hook” (and at who know what cost to my self-respect, which is marginal in any case) I’d want a good “commission” on the sale. And if I had what it took to do that, why wouldn’t I set the hook a little deeper and get money from the mark on the side?

      The ones on the top, well, megalomania is an old story, along with greed. The ones on the bottom are, to some extant understandable. But the ones in the middle? What on earth motivates them?

      • KJP in Portland

        What motivates them is to keep out of the RPF!

      • ze moo

        In the ‘old’ days (b4 the dwarfenführer centralized everything) auditors made good money at all levels of the con. Lroon started the centralization in 81 and slowing but surely auditing was done by direct employees of the mOrg. Those who brought the mark in usually got 10-15 percent commission on all payments the mark made. Everyone in the service process got some commission from the ‘customer’. It’s like Amway, but without the useful cleaning products.

        • Missionary Kid

          “It’s like Amway, but without the useful cleaning products.” Good one.

          • ThetaBara

            My first introduction to the crazy world of “scientology” was moving into an apartment which had previously been occupied by a scilon. He was smart enough not to give the cult a forwarding address, so we got all his mailings for the first GAT, cruises on their stupid boat, etc etc etc. We used to schmoke dope and laugh at their mailings.
            He also got crap from Amway. I figured he must have been dumb enough to fall for any scam that came down the pike. (But at least he was smart enough not to give them his forwarding address!)

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ll bet they tracked him down anyway, poor sod.

      • ThetaBara

        Mmmmmm, pie!

  • KJP in Portland

    Know what I saw this morning on the way back from work? A…”What is Scientology” ad on the back of a Tri-Met (Portland, OR) bus! I think the other drivers around me, as we stopped at the red light thought I was a rambling crackhead or something. All I could do was flip it off, give it a thumbs-down and shake my head negatively. Sure Sci, go ahead and try and recruit all the hipster, tree-hugging, eco-Nazi, recycle everything Portlanders. Wasting your money, you desperate scam organization. Everybody around these parts knows Skankatology is bad news…

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      Heh! hope you have calmed down a bit. We all feel the same way here, and I personally have let a few well chosen words take fake smiles off addled faces. It is hard knowing that the cult has billions of $$$ to fight, harass or {fair-game}, destroy, buy, and even kill with, so far, impunity. So lets hang in here solid!
      I salute you.

      • KJP in Portland

        🙂 Thanks Marie!

    • Mooser

      Yup, we’ve got a Scientology building in Seattle. Soons I get a bit of time (wait a minute, I’ll be in Seattle on Thursday) I’ll drive over and check it out.

      I’m pretty sure Washington State standards for drug-rehab places preclude Narconon, and our abuse and harassment laws preclude a lot of their “religious” activities. I hope Oregon is as lucky.

      • KJP in Portland

        I think OR and WA are pretty close on those laws.

    • Missionary Kid

      O.K. The question is, “What is Scientology?” People, help me out and reply to this comment. Let’s give some answers that would be great to add to the question:
      All lies.
      A big Scam.

      • Robert Eckert

        “What is Scientology?” The anagram generator tells me, “A holy twit cognises!”

        • Robert Eckert

          “Scientology” is “goy, in closet”

          • Missionary Kid

            Does that mean you’re a secret goyim?

          • aquaclara

            Yo! Gin closet!

        • Missionary Kid

          Chucklesnort Added. Refresh.

      • WhereIsSHE

        A dangerous, life-stealing cult, operating as a malevolent, greedy corporation, under the pretense of being tax-free religious entity.

        • Missionary Kid

          Since, I’m looking for short answers, I’m going to use all of them separately. Refresh and see how you like what I did.

          • WhereIsSHE

            Cool. Is there a way to refresh without having to scroll all the way through the posts to get back here??=(!
            I added some anagrams too, Kid.
            See if you like any of those.

            • Missionary Kid

              I have notifications come to me by email when someone replies. When I click on the Reply to… window, it opens up a new window on my browser, automatically refreshing the screen.

              I just go back to the original window when I want to resume where I’m at.

            • WhereIsSHE

              Thanks=)
              I just scrolled through. Good job, as always, Kid=)

            • Missionary Kid

              This blog is my first brush with Disqis, so I learned that the hard way. I’m glad to pass it on.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        That thing your mother warned you against and you didn’t listen.

        • Missionary Kid

          Done.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Toxic spew of Hubbard’s poo.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m looking for something that will get the public’s attention. That one goes on my LRH writing and speech list.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Ok.

            How about: It’s not what they tell you. or: It’s not what they say.

            • Missionary Kid

              Done.

        • Kitz

          Eeewwww…… I may just have to take back the second part of my earlier comment… 😛

      • sugarplumfairy

        A business disguised as a religion in order to avoid paying salaries and taxes..

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m trying to keep it short, like something that would stand out on a bumper sticker, so I changed it to, “A business posing as a religion to avoid paying wages and taxes.”

    • KJP in Portland

      I got a ‘downie’…lol! Hey, I served my country (as others did here) to have the right to not like them!

    • junojones

      They give me Tourette’s as well….

  • Imelda Marcos

    ‘Can you recall a time when others failed to change some energy in this Universe?” Aww, c’,MON. Hubbard was trolling people, wasn’t he? He said to himself ‘I bet I can get people to believe anything and take seriously anything I say.’

  • media_lush

    I thought the church NEVER sold any of its property? Does Tiny Fists need money quickly?

    http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Church-of-Scientology-Sells-La-Mesa-Land-for-93M-222163041.html

    • Eclipse-girl

      Maybe DM needs cash to fight the lawsuits and pay for PIs. Could the assets of IAS be tied up in such a way that there aren’t very liquid?

      • KJP in Portland

        Real estate isn’t too terribly liquid, but always increases (usually) and eventually sells, even if it’s a dog of a parcel, or building.

    • Robert Eckert

      They’ve unloaded buildings before. Ideal Org projects often involve regging the locals for enough money to buy one white-elephant building, then coming up with stories about how that building won’t do and regging them to buy another building, while the first building is sold off (sometimes for a “loss”: well, not a loss for the {Church} since they put no money in, and take all the money out).

      • KJP in Portland

        No kidding. They have so many variations on all their scams that even the Mafia probably studies them…

      • RMycroft

        I see that CoS has finally sold the land that the future San Diego Idle Org was on to a condo developer. Somehow I think that the $9.3 million for the land won’t be going to the San Diego org to buy another Idle Org location and I doubt anyone will be getting their donations back.

        http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Church-of-Scientology-Sells-La-Mesa-Land-for-93M-222163041.html

      • Missionary Kid

        For some reason, the term regging brings to mind a dreadlocked rastafarian singing reggae.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          That would be ‘reggaeing’. I would love to see a scientology registrar reggaeing a prospect in while decked in dreads and caftan.

          • Missionary Kid

            Chucklesnort

          • ThetaBara

            I’m sure that will be their next theme party.
            Which, of course, are completely out ethics as per LRH, but never mind that.

        • Captain Howdy

          “Geffery Chang & All Stars – UFO”

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhJQMmEqLTY

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s one big building on the property. I wonder what it was built as.

      • KJP in Portland

        Flagwitz!

        • The narrator calls one building “The original bowling alley”, but it used to be Coleman College, apparently a private or community college of some sort.

          Hello:

          Coleman University (originally Automation Institute of San Diego) was
          founded on November 13, 1963, by Dr. Coleman Furr. Coleman established a
          general education department offering courses emphasizing English and
          communication, mathematics, social sciences, humanities, and management.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleman_University

    • zoxim

      “Walking around the abandoned “future headquarters” of the San Diego Church of Scientology in La Mesa, California. They paid 9.3 million dollars for this place in 2008″
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRyBIBLKfPY
      They let the place fall into complete disrepair. A major eyesore.

    • media_lush

      Okay, so now something’s definitely going on ….. another scion property just been sold.

      http://www.bizjournals.com/boston/real_estate/2013/09/church-of-scientology-hq-sold-11M.html

      • Missionary Kid

        The real estate market is finally recovering, so they’re making money by selling. You’ll note that they only paid $440K for it in 1975, and they sold it for 10.5 million.

        They made nearly $265,000 a year on it.

  • Observer

    “Can you recall a time when you failed to change another’s body?”

    No, I think I can safely say that’s one area I have no trouble with.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Well, as a mom, I changed a lot of diapers. Does that count?

      • Observer

        If it doesn’t, it should!

      • Cheryl

        I was going to say that ! Although was going to use the term nappies.

        • Eclipse-girl

          Great Moms think alike

    • Interested

      Can you recall when you failed to change another’s body….. Help what does that mean?.

      • Observer

        IMO it’s just one of Ron’s nonsense questions designed to suppress critical thinking. Any kind of questioning of the meaning would at the least get the person sent for word clearing.

        • CraftLass

          How is it possible to not question the meaning of a question you have to answer?!?! How do you answer it? Or is the mysterious (to us never-ins) meaning related to something I missed in the earlier levels?

          This is where I get lost in this stuff, always. There’s always a question that I can’t seem to translate in each level, no matter how much I read on this topic or how much Claire is helping me try to make sense of any of it.

          Aaaargh. Scrambled brains for breakfast again!

          • Observer

            “How is it possible to not question the meaning of a question you have to answer?!?! ”

            Conditioning. That’s the purpose of all this–to stop the thinking/questioning process.

            • CraftLass

              On one level, I get that. But I mean literally and practically, how do people answer that question? Even with conditioning? Even without thinking? What could the answer possibly be? What sort of answer will get you on to the next question?

              I don’t think I’m expressing myself very well here. Brain knots this big can be tough to untangle. lol

            • Observer

              No, I do get your puzzlement, and I’m certainly not disagreeing with you. I still don’t understand how people can just accept these questions as if there’s nothing wrong with them, but I’ve resigned myself to the fact that they do, and figure something in the process has already quashed their ability to reason.

            • CraftLass

              It would be great to hear some sample/example answers from those who have done this level. Seems like this question has gotten a lot of us never-ins thinking pretty hard. Kind of the opposite of intended effect, no? lol

            • Captain Howdy

              There are no theologians in CofS. No one is allowed to interpret or tell a student what they think LRH meant.

            • Once_Born

              Perhaps you are at a loss because you are thinking of the question – answer sequence as a rational process. This assumes that (as in an exam) that the question is meaningful and has a valid, correct, answer. I think that the answers to auditing questions are derived from a different process – one where rational thought simply does not apply.

              What happens is you informally learn what is expected of you in auditing from the scientologists that you associate with, and you conform to this. The answers you provide to auditing questions are of the same character as the answer you provide to the question, “how do you do”. You have learned from the people around you what you are supposed to say (“very well. thank you”) and when you say this, everyone is happy. It’s not a meaningful answer to the question (you might feel terrible) but, in this context, it is the ‘correct’ one.

              Of course, the social-psychological process that brings you to the ‘right’ (meaningless) answers to the (meaningless) auditing questions is long, involved and complicated, consisting of the entirety of your Scientology {training} to date.

            • ThetaBara

              It actually IS training. That’s pretty much it.

            • CraftLass

              Actually, I was wondering what the sort of programmed, “very well, thank you,” answer might be, I realize the answer is not actually one that matters as an answer, per se. Really, just a curiosity, not very important.

              But love the discussion my inquiry got rolling! The discussion is actually of far more import than my silly query. lol

          • Mickey7

            Rules of grammar are entheta and should be ignored at all costs.

        • BananaSplits8

          The likeliest thing is Hubbard dictated those questions while out of his mind on booze and/or psych drugs; half the scilons pretend to understand the question and the other half unfortunately gives celestial importance to a drunk’s ramblings.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I agree with CraftLass. I would be asking about the unintelligible question itself. Great scads more money down the drawn for “word clearing”

          • Observer

            I bet you wouldn’t if you had reached this point on the “bridge”–you’d have walked out long before. Shelling out $15,000 for this crap after having paid nearly $90,000 for all the previous crap is, IMO, a strong indication that the hook is well and truly set.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Possibly I would have walked. But I still have empathy for those were sucked into this web of lies and deceit.

            • Observer

              I am 100% with you. Scientology, like other frauds, has an uncanny ability to target the vulnerable and suck them in. We’re all capable of falling for cons under the right circumstances.

            • Interested

              Are you sure? To be honest, with the love bombing, the promises made, and the slow and insidious brainwashing… The question is something I am glad I have not been put to the test. I have been conned, but by men who swore great love and devotion and then either coned me by saying their sister was dying of cancer or recently attempted to con me. And these are people I knew and trusted. Anyone can be conned by a good hustler and the regies are trained to be excellent hustlers as are the. Auditors.

            • Eclipse-girl

              NO, I am not sure. i did use the word “possibly.” I am grateful that I am a “never in.”

      • RMycroft

        Why don’t they ask practical questions like:

        Can you recall a time when you failed to change your underwear?

        • Interested

          Their brains don’t understand logic until they come out completely? Just watched an Anderson cooper video interviewing the head of the nutters against shrinks , CCHR. His name is bruce wiseman and it was posted on the 3 may2011. ( Sorry I’m useless at this computer stuff). Anyway listening to him talk, and Cruise also talk, and others I can’t name off bat, all they do is repeat the same phrases over and over again. There is no discussion because they are unable to hear anyone else’s words, all they can do is repeat robotically.. Shame…

      • ThetaBara

        Well there’s always erectile dysfunction…

      • GlibWog

        Ahhhhhhhhh they want you to think that everyone knows but you… ha

    • Aslansown

      The time I was a failure as a Weight Watcher facilitator?

      • KJP in Portland

        Ms. Alley?

      • Illinoisian

        I love this answer!

    • Poison Ivy

      Is this a question for plastic surgeons, or personal trainers?

      • BananaSplits8

        SPOILER synopsis below! since the above shop gives it away anyway:

        Aliens arrive on earth and provide the solutions to all the world’s problems (sound familiar?). Alien A leaves his codex at the UN. Decoders figure out the title says “To Serve Man”.

        For being such nice aliens, earthling au-pairs volunteer to go to their planet. At the end of the episode, decoders figure out the codex is a cookbook.

  • nottrue

    Find something about this universe you can accept. Thats easy. That hubbard was fucking NUTS

  • dwayners13 .

    Over 1

  • Mooser

    How is the money handles? Cash? Credit cards? Check? And what makes everyone so eager to keep on passing it up the pole, instead of keeping a nice big chunk for themselves?

    • CraftLass

      I’m guessing every form of payment is accepted, but I sure have read lots of stories involving credit cards, which makes it pretty hard to skim. Heck, out of credit? Well, your {helpful} reg will call the bank and get you a whole new line! Or figure out how to get you that fourth mortgage you’ve been {hoping for}! All while you are sitting in the Org! So convenient!

      Can’t squeeze the bank for more credit? Well, that’s okay, there’s gotta be a whale around somewhere who will loan you the money. And that way even the interest you pay is sure to go to your {religion} in the long run, so it’s {win-win}!

      Groan.

  • nottrue

    What change to yourself have you avoided. Well i hate when this happens

  • Sunny Sands

    Here’s a tent pic diversion. The fabric roof is almost finished.
    The latest is 2 of the guards at the Ft. Harrison hotel have black guard dogs. Protester Darth Xander put some pics of guards and dogs at WWP. Just be aware of it if any visit Clearwater for the festivities.

    • Observer

      Guard dogs? Is it wrong to hope that this particular manifestation of his paranoia comes back to bite him in the gluteus maximus in the most literal sense?

      • KJP in Portland

        Just bring a couple of steaks for the dogs, lol.

      • Mark

        Not at all, Obs. I’d be hoping that it’d tear his smug face off or fix its fangs in his gonads, but we’re not supposed to advocate violence here, so I won’t.

    • Mark

      Sunny, maybe I’m being obtuse or missing something here, but why do they even need this stupid erection?

      I’m sure it’s partly Davey Squatbottom needing to prove he’s ever so tough and clever by cocking a snook at the Clearwater local authorities, spending money like water, killing beautiful trees, annoying all the neighbours for weeks on end, &c, &c.

      But haven’t Co$ got a brand-new, huge, EMPTY excrescence/building just yards away from the rising COB-penis-substitute/tent, where they could far more easily hold their bloody stupid celebrations without nearly so much risk from the elements? (I’m hoping that depressingly clear sky in your latest picture just means the weather-gods are saving their worst for later).

      Could it be that the Super-Duper-Whizzo-Power Building still isn’t ready, after all these many long years, because Tiny Dick has (as usual) had to “do it all himself”, and (as usual) buggered it all up, because he is an incompetent dimwit who changes his mind as often as a lobotomised goldfish, constantly contradicts himself, and is in general about as much use as a chocolate teapot?

      Just speculating. (Aniseed is very effective at distracting dogs).

      • Sunny Sands

        The Flag (Super Power) building has 889 rooms and 42 bathrooms. I’m guessing they don’t have a room in there big enough to hold the crowd for the dedication (3,000, 4,000 people?).

        • Mark

          I’ll believe there wasn’t enough room when (if?) the “new” Flag opens.

          • GlibWog

            I will believe it when I see it!
            Also.. I am dying to find out how many people will show up.. and Who ..
            The usual brown nosers.. ( that just showed up for the Gala.. ugh..)
            So much shit going on.. Like Cruise? Hmmmmm ( I am sensing that he is Stepping away..)

            I personally feel that when he stepped away with NIC for how many years( ?) Scn was Fair Gaming him.. ( It was at this time that they Gay Stories really took off..)

            He came back into the fold. ( I can hear DM sayin..) We’ll find a wife.. ( Audition) and the Gay stories will go away..

            and then Cruise just went bat shit crazy with the Kool aid.. ugh…..

            But now.. I truly believe that Cruise realizes that being associated with Scn. is really Fuckin up his career.. ( And Life) but that’s just my opinion.

            • Missionary Kid

              As much as I think Cruise is a tool, the rumors about him being gay have been around for a loooooong time. Some of my gay friends have seen him at parties where, ahem, most of the people were male, however, they’ve never seen anything that would label him as such.

              I doubt that they are fair gaming him. He’s identified too strongly with Co$, and rumors and stories of it would be all over the net. You’ll notice Media Lush, who has his pulse on gossip, doesn’t mention it.

              After he dumped Nichole, the {church} conducted auditions, so I don’t think they were fair gaming him at all.

              I think that the only reason that Cruise went “bat shit crazy” was that instead of his normal media representative, he’d hired his sister, and she didn’t tone down his craziness, because she’s a clam. He had to can her because of the blow back. Since he’s got someone else, you’ll notice he’s keeping a low profile.

              As for missing the last event, he’s been making a film in England, I believe.

            • GlibWog

              The Fair Gaming him that I was talking about a long, long time ago.. You know when he was in ( MIMI) than out for I forget how long..

              No it was way before he dumped Nichole..
              Shoot.. I wish I had the time frame right.. he moved somewhere with Nichole and was brought back..

              Oh I know the gay rumors have flew around him for a long time.. I was just thinking out loud..

              Yep I know about the film in England.. and him firing his rep.. and all that.. ( I am nosey Nellie..haha trust me.. ) I am just curious if he’ll be at Sup Power..

            • Missionary Kid

              I doubt Cruise was ever fair gamed. His interest in Co$ has waxed and waned, but he’s never, to my knowledge, said anything negative about Co$ or disavowed it. He had a staff of clams that was reporting on him, and they probably worked to separate the kids from Nichole, along with the people who were outside while they were undergoing “marriage counselling.”

              If you’re a male in H’wood, the gay rumor has been floated, and I don’t pay much attention to them, unless someone I know has direct observation.

              I believe he’ll be at the Sup. Power. That’s too big an event not to miss, but I reserve the right to be wrong, and I’m hoping for major footnukes, which DM is bound to self-administer.

              Miscavage’s Law: If there’s a way of fucking things up, he will.

            • Nevermore

              Remember the stories about Tommy Girl and his liking for ‘wrestling’???

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup. That doesn’t mean he’s gay. Weird, yes, gay, not necessarily. I could be wrong, but there’s nobody come forward to claim they’ve been involved homosexually.

              Being small of stature makes it easier to make a lower weight class when you’re a competitive wrestler.

              While I wouldn’t put him down as a raging hetero, I’m not willing to put him in the gay category. He may be deep in the closet, but people who’ve seen him at parties where many of the men are gay, wouldn’t say he was, and they’d love to claim he was one of them.

            • Nevermore

              I’m with those who think he’s more asexual than anything else. His reactions to women are always slightly ‘off’. Except Nicole – I’m pretty sure that was the real deal.

            • Missionary Kid

              I think his reaction to Katie was also real. The problem is that $cientology fails in making a relationship work if either party has any doubts about it.

              The high profile members are treated with kid gloves, so a lot more is tolerated from them or their spouses. Eventually, since, Co$ insists on loyalty to itself over loyalty to a spouse, marriages fail if both parties don’t put $cientology first.

              I think the reason JT stays married is that he wants to have a family, and Kelly Preston provides the beard as well as keeps him in line, but that’s just an opinion.

      • Espiando

        It’s not the erection, it’s what’s being erected. If that sounds a wee bit filthy, it’s supposed to.

        The Big-Ass Tent was the symbol of St. Hill. St. Hill was, in a major sense, the symbol of everything that Hubbard stood for among Scientologists. It was his home, it was the place where most of the Tech was developed and piloted, its name lives on in the St. Hill orgs like ASHO, the big chronological study of All The Tech is the St. Hill Special Briefing Course, etc. It was Hubbard in a way that Flag never was and never could be.

        In the same way, the Stupid Power building is The Dark Lord Chuckles The Silly Piggy’s Place Of Power, the symbol of everything he is among Scientologists (or, rather, that’s what he hopes it’ll be). By moving the tent from East Grinstead to Clearwater, Chuckles is signifying that Scientology is now his. He’s acknowledging the Founder with the tent, but it’s now at His Place, not at Ron’s. GAT II and Stupid Power are his gifts to the world, with the connective tissue to Hubbard still there (since we can’t have Scientology without Source).

        If you want an analogy, in the Middle Ages, every church worth its salt had to have some relics to attract pilgrims and exude holiness. The Big-Ass Tent is a Scientology relic. The only way that Chuckles could out-do this one is to pull a Kirkwall Cathedral: have Hubbard buried beneath Super Power.

        • BananaSplits8

          “By moving the tent from East Grinstead to Clearwater, Chuckles is
          signifying that Scientology is now his. He’s acknowledging the Founder
          with the tent, but it’s now at His Place, not at Ron’s.”

          Or he’s simply acknowledging that bringing the tent to the States, within arm’s length of the Sea Oger army, is the best way he can pretend to fill it.

          • Espiando

            That too, but the symbolism is the important part. And Mark’s right about it being inept. How can it not be? Crowley was a master at using symbolism. When Parsons learned it from Crowley, the lesson degraded. When Hubbard learned it from Parsons, it degraded again. And when Davey learned it from Hubbard, it degraded totally into ham-fisted wank.

            • Phil McKraken

              “ham-fisted wank”

              You just took all the pleasure out of ham for me.

            • Robert Eckert

              As long as wanking still holds pleasure for you…

            • Missionary Kid

              “ham-fisted wank” On my list of LRH’s writings and speeches.

        • Mark

          You’re probably right about the supposed ‘symbolism’ – but even that’s inept, because conceived in the wee pea-sized brainlet of His Satanic Pantwetting Majesty. A tent’s not much use as a relic when they have to take it all down again afterwards – but by then it’ll have served its inane purpose.

          Stupor Powers as Shortarse’s “Place of Power” reminds me of Don Marquis’s Ode To Hollywood:

          City of sterile striving,
          Where brains have not begun,
          I sing thy Idiot Faces,
          Thy leagued Commonplaces,
          Bright in thy silly sun!

          Thy Ballocks have no Semen,
          Thine Udders have no Milk;
          Ever thou seekest Bliss
          With Hard-ons swoln with Piss;

          Thy Gods are Bunk and Bilk.
          Fertile in naught but faking
          Futile each season passes;
          And scrutiny discloses
          Thy most prodigious Roses
          Are really Horses’ Asses.

          Strange Cults are thine, strange Cunts,
          Dry Nymph and arid Venus;
          Or should a hymen bust
          ‘Tis but a puff of dust
          Powders the satyr’s penis.

          Diffuse, wide desert reaches
          Where no Mind ever wrought!
          Peer from thy cloudless skies
          Demons with lidless eyes,
          Scorching the buds of Thought!

          Thy passions all pretended,
          Thy pulses beat for pelf–
          But should more Irrigation
          Bring dustless fornication,
          Go fuck thy Suffering Self!

          • Missionary Kid

            Day of the Locust

            • Mark

              Especially the ending.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve only seen parts of the film, now I’m gonna have to see the whole thing.

            • Captain Howdy

              It’s great and the ending will bow your mind.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks

            • USA MRIID

              Must red the book “Day of the Triffids.” The movie does not encompass the core reasons why the plants took over, the book covers everything.

            • USA MRIID

              It’s a cookbook!!!11

            • Robert Eckert

              Scientology sometimes reminds me of Day of the Triffids also!

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng4E9cFiA8E

          • Missionary Kid

            “His Satanic Pantwetting Majesty” on the list of DM’s nicknames. The total is now over 160, with the different spellings. Yours are some of the best.

        • aquaclara

          This makes sense, and I will add two “push” factors to the mix, too. I think the ceding of St Hill is also due to a dried-up whale pool, plus a too-large-to-ignore “disinterested” crowd that fails to materialize at events. (even though we all know there are millions of Scilons in the UK hemisphere alone)

          We know MEST Baggage likes to move the goal posts on his units of accomplishment, so here, too, he is simply moving the tent poles at the circus…

          • Graham

            “he is simply moving the tent poles at the circus”.

            Is moving the tent round the Orgs $cientology’s version of rearranging the deck-chairs on the Titanic?

            Tick tock Davey! We’ve still not seen Shelly. And not seen Karin Pouw for some time. Nor Tommy/Thomas Davis. Nor you if it comes to that. What kind of crappy “church” is too frightened to have even one spokes-person come out and speak in public. If we looked up ‘spokes-person’ in that magic LRH dictionary of yours, what would it say I wonder? Not what the standard wog dictionary says it would seem.

            • aquaclara

              Yep – just like the deck chairs on that other Fail ship….and instead of a fine rendition of “Nearer My God To Thee”, Davey thinks he is marching in to the tune of the “Entrance to the Gladiators”, when it’s really just “Pop Goes the Weasel”.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Maybe he is on the ‘no fly’ list. So the event has to come to him.

      • Interested

        Deep chuckle..

      • Truthiwant

        Ass you say, I cunt understand why Scientologists want to cum to this event. They don’t need this erection, butt it’s hard-on them, particularly for the hard-core Scientologists not to have a big erection. Butt for the tent they would have the stars, including Uranus above them. Maybe they will move the event to Bangkok one day.

    • Interested

      Ooh, that will really fly beautifully if hit by a hurricane ! What fun!

    • Sherbet

      From this angle, it doesn’t look so big. Do you think it will be able to hold — what was it? — 8,000 scns?

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Sure, they can stack em up like the sea org bunk beds………or cord wood.

        • KJP in Portland

          But will they import the bed bugs and have rice and beans hors-d-oeuvres?

          • ze moo

            The bed bugs are already there. The Fort Harrison Hotel has enough for export.

            • Eclipse-girl

              That is just creepy and bad. You pay oodles of money for courses, for the hotel and then they have bed bugs. UGH

            • ze moo

              How would you like to pay top dollar for FLA hotel space and then be told it is in the Ft. Harrison? And you get sec checked if you book anywhere else…..

            • Eclipse-girl

              I know enough right now to stay far , far away from Clearwater. I feel a bit sad for the town.

              How about all of us writing up bad reviews about the Ft Harrison Hotel on Trip Advisor?

              I am quite willing to pay top dollar for a top dollar hotel.

      • Cheryl

        They use a different numbering system to us mere mortals.

        • Sherbet

          They’ll be awfully sorry if all gazillion-billion current scientologists do show up.

          • Cheryl

            What you mean all 10 of them!

            • GlibWog

              bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahahahhahahhahaha

          • Robert Eckert

            And then decide they have to appear there.

            • Sherbet

              I guess there’s no chance of that!

          • ze moo

            I hope they don’t preform ‘stomp’ at that show. Clearwater will fracture and sink beneath the sea. If they line dance, even Fla will throw them out.

      • Sunny Sands

        My estimate is 5,000. On the arenagroup website, they show a 50 x 130 meter tent they say holds 10,000. This tent is 40 x 95 or 3800 sq.meters. (if this IAS tent is the same IAS tent on their website). .65 meters/person into 3800 is 5846 people. Subtract for stage in front is approx. 5,000.

        http://www.arenagroup.com/cm/docs/products/tfs.pdf

        • Sherbet

          You’re very thorough, Sunny!

        • Silence of the Clams

          Yes, but does your estimate include body thetans?

          • Sherbet

            Or shooped attendees!!

          • Observer

            D’oh! I knew I should have read farther down before posting!

        • George Layton
        • GlibWog

          Sunny you are just such a dream to have in the Bunker.. Love it..

          Either way who ever arranged the tent will catch hell.. either too big or too small.. You just know it..

        • Missionary Kid

          Unless the side flaps are left open for fire exits, I doubt that the fire marshal will allow that density. I don’t think you can leave the flaps open in Fla. Even if the temperature is cool, the heat generated by a couple of thousand people will need substantial air movement, let alone air conditioning, in which case the tent needs to be closed. In that case, I estimate that he’ll only allow about 1.35 sq. m. (about 15 sq. ft.) or more per person.

          They gave a figure of 7,000 guests for a “weekend.” That is for multiple events, where they count each entry as one, not individual guests. If there were only two events, that’s a maximum of 3,500 per event. The picture of the Clam tent event probably has a much lower density. For an event for whales, they’re not going to pack them in. You might upset Tommy Boy.

          I’m willing to say that the maximum allowed will be around 2,000 people, especially if there’s any tables allowed.

          I reserve the right to be wrong.

      • Observer

        But it can hold an infinite number of BTs which, since they have been in orgs and taken services with their hosts, are no doubt eligible to be considered Scientologists.

    • nottrue

      Guard dogs can not stop the Squirrels From The Fringe

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Actually, just the thought of the Scientologist’s having access to dogs freaks me out.
        What are they going to do with them when the are done with them? Kill them and leave them in the SP’s driveways?

        • Sherbet

          It will be Rent-A-Cops and their dogs, no doubt. It’s all so funny. “We’re the world’s best, most fantastic, fastest-growing religion, and we’re full of concern for our fellow man. But come anywhere near us, and we’ll take your picture, refuse to speak to you, and maybe even sic a guard dog on you. But, hey, other than that, what’s not to love?!”

        • dbloch7986

          They are going to feed them to the Sea Org members?

        • Jo

          No don’t think those thoughts. Dogs surely have more sense.

      • Sherbet

        No, no, no. Squirrel BUSTERS have cameras. Squirrels have e-meters.

        • nottrue

          you are right. Had to change him to a wog squirrel.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      OSA has completely and miserably failed to protect the Church from all of you dangerous and deranged Suppressives. For this reason, COB has
      brought in some very mean and specially trained Russian guard dogs.

      All of you SP’s will stay away from COB’s giant new circus tent or else!

      http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/sadhu77/my-new-guard-dog-7.jpg

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        We are not scared! I have a zoom lens and a fast car.
        And some ketamine rolled up in some raw hamburger just in case the first two don’t work!

      • Captain Howdy

        “Sorry this person has moved or deleted this picture”

        Russian guard dogs? You mean like this?

        • sugarplumfairy

          dammmmmm.. What do you feed something like that?

          • Robert Eckert

            Whatever he wants.

          • Missionary Kid

            It’s a forced perspective picture. The dog isn’t that big.

            • Captain Howdy

              That dog stands six feet tall on it’s hind legs and weighs 200 lbs

            • Missionary Kid

              O.K., but I’m well acquainted with dogs that large (in size, Great Danes, in weight, Great Pyrenees and St. Bernards). That was shot with a wide angle lens, which makes close objects appear much larger (the dog) and objects further away seem much smaller (the woman, who is also probably small in stature).

              At the shoulder, a Great Dane, the tallest dog, is at most, a record of 44″ at the shoulder, and when they stretch out on their hind legs, their head is close to the 6′ level, I can attest, as I’ve looked up to them when they had their paws on my shoulders.

              Note, the dog and woman do not appear side by side.

          • Captain Howdy

            Pit bulls and russian convicts.

        • aquaclara

          Awwww. So cute. Is that a Newfie?

        • Nevermore

          OMG, it’s an Ewok!!

    • George Layton

      If you go down there be sure and take plenty of raw meat with you.

    • GlibWog

      Thank you Sunny…

      Guard Dogs.. Give me a Freakin Break. I am waiting for the news that a guard dogs have hurt a protester.

      AND I WANT IT TO MAKE THE NEWS..
      Jim Jones had Guard dogs.. around his ” Compound ” too.

    • Captain Howdy

      Tent Watcher, Tent Watcher,
      Peer through the veil,
      Witness the gloom,
      Of the scilon whales,
      Bring us the thing we’re longing to see
      The envy of all to be.

      • i-Betty

        *delighted applause*

      • Sherbet

        Bravo, Howdy!

    • Missionary Kid

      What’s the size of the tent? It looks like it’s 120′ wide. by 160′ long, or about 20K sq. ft. I’m wondering what the legal maximum occupancy is. The fire marshal sets it.

      That, of course, depends on the number and size of the exits. I’ll guess, to set a high number of people allowed, 10 sq ft./person, or about 2K people. That is, of course, if there isn’t a stage, in which case the number of people allowed will be reduced.

      If Co$ follows their usual pattern, they’ll cram as many people in there as they want. If they do, the fire marshal has police powers and can force them to reduce the number of people inside.

      Maybe Co$ just wants it to appear as if there’s a lot of people there by putting them in a smaller space?

      • Missionary Kid

        I finally went to the arenagroup site and got the info. The size is 40 X 95 meters. That’s 131 X 311 feet. I was off by a factor of two in the length.

        I still think they’ll only have about 2K people in the tent.

  • Cheryl

    The question about changing energy made me think about the old lightbulb joke e.g Q: How many Psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb? A: Only one, but the bulb has got to really WANT to change. I used this example to appeal specifically to any lurkers out there!

    So how many Scientologists does it take to change a lightbulb?

    • BananaSplits8

      50,000 dollars

      • Observer

        And you have to bring your own light bulb.

        • Cheryl

          Love it!

          • Robert Eckert

            Yeah, I was torn between answering “For $X I’ll tell you the punch line” or “All the light bulbs have been stolen anyway” and then I saw that I’d been beaten to both ideas.

    • Captain Howdy
    • Robert Eckert

      OK how about: just one, as long as he is a Class XII auditor fully hatted to blow the charge off the bulby thetans that are suppressing the light particle flow!

  • Mooser

    OMFG! Reading these two articles made me realize how eerily similar “auditing” is to the corporate training my wife was subjected to when she first joined the company she works for. It was all stuff like that, and nothing practical about work. But a lot of stuff about buzzwords and scripts would bend people to your will.

  • BosonStark

    Scientology has compared their escalating fee structure to the difference between undergrad and graduate work at university. However, the reason graduate school is more expensive is the quality of the teachers necessary to take on more complex or advanced subject matter.

    I’m not getting the advanced “technology” in these questions that warrants the steep price increase. I can seeing paying more to hop in a gyro or get oily on a table, but this?

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Thanks Claire and Tony for this series. It does much to reveal what the actual “boots on the bridge” experience is for scientologists.

    Re: Claire’s comment about ‘exteriorization ending the session’. Back in the late 1990’s when I was getting Sec Checks at AOLA, I suspected something was being done incorrectly because often in session I would originate, (Originate: to say some comment that is about a realization, something happening, etc., by the person getting auditing), that I felt I was going exterior.

    Always before when I had this feeling and said something about it, the session ended. However, in this series of sessions, this comment was noted, but the auditor, Felix Hackenberg, kept on with the session as if I had not said I felt exterior. So, even though I had this feeling, and felt good, having a ‘win’, Felix pushed me on through many hours of session, sometimes 5 or 6 hours at a time.

    It was only later when I really stopped trusting Felix and all scientology that I realized this was part of the “black scientology” that was being run on me, attempting to make me suicidal and crazy.

    • Sherbet

      When I was in junior high, I can remember being stuck in a very boring class, and I’d zone out and imagine myself outside the windows where the fresh air and fields were. Apparently, even in this state, I’d behave appropriately in class, because that dull teacher never yelled at me to wake up. My body was at my desk, but my brain was finding a more fun place to be for long minutes at a time. Not for a moment did I then, nor do I now, believe I was having some kind of metaphysical exteriorizing episode. I believe it was, pure and simple, daydreaming. The teacher’s subject matter and monotone caused my ears and interest to shut down, and I wandered off, mentally, in search of something better to think about.

      So — could exteriorizing be daydreaming in some sense?

      • Robert Eckert

        That’s precisely what it is.

        • aquaclara

          So leave it to LRH to create a money-making scam around daydreams…..

      • sizzle8

        Daydreaming is completely different. If you “went exterior” you would know it and remember it. Whether it’s hallucination or real, it’s a pretty dramatic and unique experience.

        • Sherbet

          OK. Can you describe it for me?

          • GlibWog

            Sherbet.. I have a severe panic disorder that God forbid I take Meds for ( Thank God)

            Before being put on medication in 2000

            I applied for a job .. $ out of my comfort zone and had to wear business suits because I was Admin. but thought I could handle it.

            Well, the First week I knew I was in Big Trouble. I had so much Stress that the entire side of my tongue was eroded with acid.

            My body chemistry had changed and Body Odor and Horrible Breath.. I am just not one to sweat.. and of course with the acid my stomach was on fire..
            I did NOT sleep and became OCD ( more than usual )

            ****** I was extremely intimidated by my boss who made me feel really, really stupid and inferior.
            She gave me an Order.. ( Like Go File This if you KNOW HOW TO ALPHABETIZE )
            and I walked away..

            and I remember looking ahead of me at this woman walking in a really beautiful Suit. It was a beautiful pin striped navy blue.. and I watched this woman walk down the hall way ..

            Noticing her hair.. and the way she walked.. and what was in her cart.. I thought to myself, ” She seems nice. I would like to get to know her. ”
            ……………………………………………..

            It was me! When I realized it I walked out the door and never went back. I went home got in the Fetal Position and stayed there for 2 days.

            Yes, I went out of my body… If you ever do… YOU WILL NEVER FORGET IT! That was in 1995.. I remember every detail..

            • sugarplumfairy

              I’m glad you’re out of that job.. You sound much happier now..

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am glad you are out of that place, too.

              When I have to deal with my SIL, I break out in hives ( on my hands).

            • Nevermore

              So remember, when you’re feeling down, that you look nice, and like the kind of person others would like to get to know!

              I have had OOB experiences, It was freaky. What freaked me out even more was that a friend apparently saw me during one. But it was when I was living in a haunted house, so quite a few freaky things happened then. And I say that as someone who didn’t believe in ghosts when they moved into said house!

        • BananaSplits8

          My exterior experience involved a judge acquitting me and thanking me for ridding the world of the now ex-husband.

        • Robert Eckert

          The only time I had the sensation of floating above my body and looking down on myself was when I took a tumble hiking in the Alps, rolled a long way, and broke my fall by landing in a patch of stinging nettles. I was rolling around screaming until I floated up out of the body and looked down and told myself, You fool, stop rolling around in them and just get up out of those bushes.

          • Sherbet

            I often feel, You fool, stop hanging around the Bunker. But it doesn’t “take.”

          • Captain Howdy

            Tumbling around the Alps looking for a life changing experience is why Keith Richards penned the immortal lyric “Never thought I’d look at a lear jet, when I could fly right at home”.

            Go on a speed run and don’t sleep for the better part of a week and you’ll be seeing helicopters and having OBE’s at a fraction of the price, especially compared to the scilon version.

      • Once_Born

        I would characterise “going exterior” as dissociation, induced by boredom and sensory derivation.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociation_%28psychology%29 describes this psychological phenomenon, which includes subjective experiences that sound a lot like {exteriorizing}.

        For example, feelings that the world is unreal, and that your reflection in the mirror is not you, but another body.

        Dissociation can be a coping or defence mechanisms helping to overcome, minimize or tolerate stress – including boredom or conflict.

        I’m beginning to think that this concept explains a lot about ‘Ronbot’ behaviour, and the puzzling way in which Scientologists ‘confront’ people in the real world without actually engaging with them.

        Perhaps Scientologists are {trained} to enter a dissociated state whenever they are challenged on the subject – they {confront} by wilfully absenting their personality.

        Ironically, when they think they are {confronting suppression} they are actually abusing a built-in psychological coping mechanism in order to avoid their belief system (which is pathetically vulnerable to questioning) being challenged.

        • Sandy

          Oh, Once Born. I would sure love to find out that is what’s going on with poor Dan Murnan – and not that he is just fried. :o(

          • Once_Born

            Mild dissociation is a psychological defence mechanism that most of us have benefited from, at some time in our lives.It enables us to distance ourselves from an impossible situation without ‘getting fried’.

            The ‘cure’ is often to remove yourself from that situation. Without the stress, you don’t need the defence. ‘Ronbot Syndrome’ can likely be relieved by leaving the CofS and rejoining the wider world.

            I’m afraid I am an English ‘never in’, and I don’t know offhand who Dan Murnan is. If you are concerned for him, there is always hope that he will find his way out and recover.

            • Robert Eckert

              Famously sad video of Dan Murnan:

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmkx0yRoU6k

            • Sandy

              Thank you, Robert. I didn’t know how to find that video back to show OB. Dan was in many early vids I watched and I always thought he was so handsome & it was such a waste for him to be trapped in this cult. But, when I saw that vid, I actually cried.

            • Unex Skcus

              When I first saw Dan Murnan doing his “what are your crimes” routine, I thought he was a creepy dingbat. Now though, especially after listing to so many experiences here at the bunker, I just feel very sad for him. 🙁

            • Eclipse-girl

              What I glean from your answers is that to save your sanity you should remove yourself from the stressful situation. What is the result if you are unable to remove yourself from such situations?

            • Once_Born

              I suppose this depends on the individual, and their situation. People vary in their response to stress, and being “[…] unable to remove yourself from the situation” can range from fear of friends disconnecting, to the abuse and physical restraint practised at isolated ‘bases’.

              However, discussions of ‘Sea Org Syndrome’ suggest that long-term stress (not to mention poor diet, lack of sleep and inadequate medical care) are not at all good for your mental or physical health.

              Nancy Many begins her book “My Billion Year Contract” with a marvellously honest account of a serious psychotic break which leads her to leave Scientology (the root cause of her distress). With family and professional support, she makes a full recovery.

              Lisa Mc Pherson represents the opposite extreme – someone who was totally unable to remove herself from the situation that brought about her psychotic episode – she was locked away in a room by people who did not have the slightest idea what they were doing. This, of course, ended tragically.

              Most people’s experiences will fall somewhere in between ( and include unhappiness and poor health) so I don’t know how to answer our question. I can only observe that long-term stress which you are helpless to control is bad for you – and just how bad depends on the individual.

              Sometimes, however, “unable to leave” might really mean that it is perceived as extremely difficult. The best advice in such cases has to be “go for it – get the hell out” and I wish there was support for people in such situations.

            • Eclipse-girl

              TY for answering. I have many (anti-)$cientology books on the reading list. And I will purchase them the give the authors the few pennies that I can. You did a good answering. TY for any and information you can add.

          • Robert Eckert

            Murnan was a boxer, so punch-drunk syndrome (cumulative effects of multiple concussions) is also likely to be a factor.

          • Captain Howdy

            The Dan Murman story was just gone over like a week ago.

        • Sherbet

          Once_Born, your sarcasm brackets notwithstanding, you reminded me of something. Years ago, I went through a period of panic while riding the subway, even though I had to do so daily. One evening, there was a problem with the subway system, and my train was stalled in a tunnel for over an hour. I experienced that kind of out-of-body thing, which (later, when I could think rationally) I attributed to my brain taking me out of an uncomfortable situation and letting me feel free. I don’t remember what I had in my mind at the time, but I distinctly remember “leaving” my consciousness. I think it was a security measure, my mind seeking a safe situation. There was nothing mysterious or spiritual about it. Just the preservation tactics of a neurotic mind.

          • Captain Howdy

            “I went through a period of panic while riding the subway, even though I had to do so daily. One evening, there was a problem with the subway system, and my train was stalled in a tunnel for over an hour”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM_vLbQ3_aw

            • Sherbet

              Funny! Where did you get that video of me??

          • Once_Born

            With respect, no – your experience was the “preservation tactics” of a healthy mind. Dissociation is there to help us cope with stressful experiences that we cannot take action to resolve.

            There is a fascinating case involving a man who was found suffering from total amnesia. It emerged that he had made a suicide pact with his terminally-ill wife. When she died, he could not go through with it. His amnesia was an extreme form of dissociation… but was it a mental illness? He made a full recovery, and his temporary condition may have preserved his life. I would argue that this was a sane man.

            The reason for the sarcasm brackets was to make the point that, when Scientologists behave robotically, they are using a dissociated state to escape the stress of having to defend what they know at some level to be an indefensible position. Their brain “takes them out of this uncomfortable situation”. They are not confronting anything – they are avoiding confrontation.

            • Sherbet

              Thank you. I sure didn’t feel healthy at the time, but, thank God, it’s all past anyway, although, in some cases, “what’s past is prologue.”

        • Kelly

          Dissociation is a common response to extreme psychologic or physical stress. It is also a component of some types of PTSD.

          It’s not something to be considered a “win” but rather an indication that your psyche is being brutalized by the auditing process.

          Experienced mystics and advanced meditators who are familiar with a variety of altered mental states generally agree the the “exterior” state is not necessarily a “good thing” but often actually a dangerous thing. (There is a very flaky term “permanent astral projection” which is bad, akin to not getting “unexterior” ever again, referring to insanity or death.)

      • sugarplumfairy

        My day-exteriorizing usually involves Johnny Depp or Orlando Bloom.. or both..

        =)

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          You naughty girl. 😉 Dirty pirate lover are ya?

          • sugarplumfairy

            I draw the line at Keith Richards..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I’m glad to see you have high standards. I’m high at the moment….5280ft high in Denver.

      • Unex Skcus

        I nearly ‘exteriorized’ permanently when I jumped out of a perfectly good airplane, and my primary parachute didn’t open.

        • Robert Eckert

          You really goofed the floof! Good thing you didn’t do a bunk!

          • Unex Skcus

            Good thing my reserve chute worked 🙂

            Still, also had to land in dense rainforest, as couldn’t make it back to the airfield on the reserve parachute. Got hung up in the top of the rainforest canopy. After a couple of hours getting me down, I sure enjoyed that first beer.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I don’t know. It wasn’t daydreaming for me. It felt like I was ’tilted’, like my relationship to my body changed. I was still sitting up straight, but felt like my body was bent over or that I had to bend over to get my ‘head’ where I was looking. Strange feeling, like not quite anchored anymore. Not ‘looking from a remote viewpoint’ like some report. BTW: David Mayo, I think, reported that Hubbard never, ever went exterior and had an out of the body view. He had what he thought was, and reported bright sun outside the auditing session room. The auditor looked out the window and it a pouring down rain.

        • Once_Born

          Feeling that your body does not belong to you is a classic symptom of dissociation.

          Can you actually ‘go exterior’ ? I remember that surgeons once investigated claims of near-death experiences where people claimed to have left their bodies and looked down on themselves. The doctors placed an object where it could only be seen by someone looking down from the ceiling.

          Unsurprisingly, nobody who reported ‘leaving their body’ could reveal what the object was…

    • Eclipse-girl

      I am glad that you escaped and survived.

    • Kitz

      Ditto what Eclipse-girl said. I’m also very glad that you are open about sharing your experiences and educating others. It helps others understand, still in lurkers think about what they are going through, new exes hope that they too can get through it, and helps you in your own recovery from the nightmare.

    • ThetaBara

      Glad you are out! Love your contributions here. You’re an asset to the home team.

    • GlibWog

      Damn Michael.. that is beyond horrible.. ugh.. Very Scary to mess with someone’s Mental Health.. as Scn does..

      but what was done to you and others just beyond the Pale.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        I agree. It’s unlicensed, untrained, damaging dicking around with peoples minds so someone can make a profit. That is all it ever was. That is all it ever will be.

        Sure, sometimes something happened that seemed of benefit. The key word there is “seemed”.

        Thank you. I’m glad I made it out and can still help.

  • stateofcircle

    I have been largely avoiding the Bunker for the past week or so due to my extreme sadness over missing Bunker Night at the TomKate project. I was ridiculously excited from the moment is was announced, got my tickets before I even finished reading the post which contained the announcement, and counted down the days. Of course, in my omnipotent bad luck, I was in Battery Park all that week running the very first job of my newly created company. Everything was going great, until 3pm when I received a call informing me that an employee on another job in CT ran into some last minute bullshit, and I had to cover it. I had my whole day planned precisely so that I could go home – which is a good hour away from Battery Park in traffic -, get all clean and gussied up (since the nature of my job/company requires me to be outside, sans makeup and hair, doing athletics), get Mr. State and head back down to the city. After finishing the CT job, which, while it went well for the clients, was a nightmare for me, and had me driving home in rush hour traffic. Going north. Through Westchester. By the time I got home, it was 7pm, and I was a tired, frustrated, sweaty, frizzy mess. I also discovered all tickets were held at will call until 730.

    You have no idea how utterly depressed I have been over this. I couldn’t even bring myself to read the story Tony posted about Bunker Night. I was nearly in tears just glancing at the front page. But, such is life and luck I suppose, and staying away for any major length of time is futile.

    Yesterdays story was so sad, gripping, upsetting, anger-inducing and, in true Scilon fashion, fucking insane. Like most of you, I don’t quite understand how someone can be lured in in this, the age of unparalleled access to information. I think I realized exactly why they bought the KCET studios, which, mark my words, they are going to do absolutely nothing to. They will never renovate it or even open it. It is the absolute perfect scam which, frankly, I’m surprised they didn’t come up with sooner. Since it’s been firmly established that the cult’s best Sea Org recruitment tactic is preying on the scores of people whose dreams have been shattered, talents wasted, and desperation so palpable that they have lost themselves and would do anything for any kind of break, help, opportunity, network or even just a friendly face, the KCET studios are nothing more than bait used to lure in all of the above-mentioned down-trodden would-be actors, writers, dancers and singers. When one buys a fully-equipped television studio, as well as a music studio, it is logical to assume one would then produce television (or movies) and music. Since we know that, in Scientology, nothing is EVER what it seems, and it is always worse than it seems, it will never be opened for the sheer fact that by Scientology just owning it, it has served it’s purpose. The mere ownership of such studios implies that there is actual opportunity there, made even more seductive with the “getting in on the ground floor” pitch, causing a person to – logically – think that, since they are joining before it opens, their opportunity is that much better, first because, since it’s not open “yet”, opportunity is wide-open (as opposed to an already established and staffed operation with limited positions and need), and second because there is a strong implication that, instead of just filling a pre-determined role, they can actually create something of their own and have a huge impact. The fact that it will never open is also perfect for the cult because it gives them more leverage and control over their brainwashed minions by holding it over their heads that their “crimes”, “flaps”, mistakes, stupidity, “out-ethics” and whatever other negative accusatory nouns you can think of are the reasons it hasn’t opened, that it’s their fault, and they will sadly believe it. As deplorable as it is, and as much as it disgusts me, it really is evil genius. And I fucking hate it. Sorry for the off-topic derail, I just wanted to share about this, and since everyone is over in this comment section now, well, here I am.

    As for today’s post…well, it’s par-for-the-course batshittery. Can someone explain to me the “…have you ever failed to change someone’s body?” question? I have a few theories, but I am mostly at a loss for this one.

    Hope all the North American folk has a great Labor (or Labour, for you Canadians) Day, and I am happy to have come out of my Bunker Bunker of Sadness to rejoin the fold.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Yay! I am glad you are back. And I am glad you told that story about TomKat because I have been waiting to ask you about it. (Not gonna do THAT now).
      I am very sorry that you missed it. I know you were looking forward to it.
      Heck, I am still looking forward to it and I have a snowballs chance in hell of seeing it.

      Again! Glad you are back.

      • stateofcircle

        You’re the best, Bury 🙂

    • Sherbet

      Aw, State, that really stinks. I’m sorry, but you sure gave it a huge try. I hope I get to meet The Proprietor one of these years, myself.

    • TonyOrtega

      We’ll have to come up with another Bunker night just so you can be there. We’ll get the cats thinking of something for us.

      • stateofcircle

        🙂 Thanks, Tony

      • Aslansown

        The cats are discussing what they want to do for the next Bunker night…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3U0udLH974

      • Eclipse-girl

        Anyway we can get a midwest meeting of the bunker?

        • Aslansown

          Yes, I thought I heard the cats (just below) mention “Chicago”…..

          • Eclipse-girl

            I can get there. Would love an evening or two in Chicago. Lets make sure it is not a football game with the bears against the packers. Perhaps a non conference game for the bears would eliminate other midwestern rivalries.

            • Aslansown

              Yeah — it can’t be during football.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Maybe the bye week for Chicago?

            • Aslansown

              I know nothing about football (except the names of the teams) so I don’t know when that is.
              I wonder if Tony has anything going on in the near future in Chicago? That would be a great time.

            • Aslansown

              We’d have to keep the location super secret, however…

            • Eclipse-girl

              Don’t worry about being un-informed. We each have our own obsessions. I agree if TONY would tell us when he was coming to the MIDWEST we should try an put on something.

              Buts its 10:20pm (CST) and no one else seems to be joining in. Perhaps we need to try this in the AM when others from the proud and polite midwest may be on?

            • Aslansown

              I agree. I think everybody is asleep (as I should be too). Do you want to put it up tomorrow a.m.? I won’t have a chance to do it until mid-morning.

      • USA MRIID

        I would come, but I have the state-mandated thing on my leg, I can’t go beyond my yard.

      • Cheryl

        Bunker night is going to have to go on a world tour, there area lot of us feeling very left out, there’s a mansion you can hire for functions in the UK , I believe it’s near East Grinstead!

      • Nevermore

        Something where us foreign chaps can Skype in!

    • aquaclara

      Sorry, State….Hope the events went well, anyway. Good luck with your new venture, and of course, welcome back here….
      We need you here!

      • stateofcircle

        Thanks, aqua 🙂

        • aquaclara

          You’re very welcome. I looked back, and you missed some teary days….plus some funny jokes and shoops.

          Replenish the tissues…there is more stuff ahead! In the meantime, I am enjoying the tent and circus chat….

          • Robert Eckert

            Miscavige Announces New Expansion Plans: Even More Lies Ahead!

    • sugarplumfairy

      No excuses! Absenteeism will not be tolerated.. This is your first written warning..

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y&feature=youtube_gdata_player

      • stateofcircle

        Uh oh….what happens after the third written warning? Do I get sec-checked by Espiando?

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          So that’s what they’re calling it these days….

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          No, the ladies get sec checked by BTN.

    • Robert Eckert

      Yeah, just yesterday I was talking about how Hollywood has so many many dreamers and so few actual slots that dream-crushing scams are as big an industry as actual production. For such-and-such a fee you will get a professional review of your [audition video / screenplay / modelling photos] by people who can put it into the right hands; just take this unpaid internship at our company and you will make tons of contacts [among other people who fetch our coffees and sweep our floors while dreaming of being discovered] and you’ll be promoted into a paying job soon [when your billion-year contract expires].

      • stateofcircle

        Yeah, I remember reading your comment and thinking to myself that, generally, many of the people who are charging for such things are just as unsuccessful as their marks, they have just figured out how to make money from it. It’s very sad, really. I dabbled in the entertainment industry briefly, purely by accident, and would never go back, mostly because I am just not the thick-skinned type of person for it, and, after spending a little time in LA in that world, you couldn’t pay me to go back (very sorry to all you LA folk here…it’s just not my cup of tea. I’m an east coast girl through and through). Thankfully the “show” I was “writing” for never got picked up, and I walked away without looking back. Thankfully that life was never really a dream of mine and I truly did just stumble into it with no intention of it happening, and I feel so, so badly for the hundreds of thousands of people who have their dreams crushed and talents shit on on a daily basis. Nearly everyone out there in that industry is a vapid, self-serving piece of garbage who view people as things to be used and discarded as needed, or wanted. It is easy to see how and why Scientology still sees success out there.

        • Jgg2012

          Yes, in LA there are 50 ways of saying “I’m not interested in your money” or “I’m your friend” an all of those people want one thing. Gue$$ what it is?

        • ThetaBara

          But… but… they don’t have freakin’ GOOGLE?!
          🙁

        • Robert Eckert

          “Thankfully the “show” I was “writing” for never got picked up” But it existed in your imagination for a little while. I’m sure it would have been great.

          I did dredge up the one little spoof movie that I did get to write and act in. Backstory: the Russian subtitles are for some friends in Georgia (ex-Soviet not ex-Confederate) not all of whom spoke English; they are also the targets of the in-joke where the Russian translation of the One Ring verse is said to be in “the Black Speech of Mordor” while the lovely Georgian script is called “Elvish” but Gandalf cannot make heads or tails of it.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0wyFANJFoM&list=FLOiazO1rIEDCdUekYvH7h9g

          • stateofcircle

            Yeah, it was sometimes fun in my imagination…but I quickly realized that, with so many hands in the pot, whatever goodness that was in my imagination would soon be hacked up beyond recognition, with dozens of people – “producers” (it seemed like everyone in LA is a “producer”), network pick-a-title’s, lawyers, other writers, more producers – changing, adding and taking away until it was almost unrecognizable. It sounds like your movie was more of your own vision, and I am honored to be able to watch it, Robert.

            • Robert Eckert

              Right, even if Spielberg produced “5 Emperors” (could anyone lesser be worthy?) he would make changes to my perfect vision of it. Since that won’t happen, it will always be pristine in my head.

            • aquaclara

              Well, there is some fun stuff here. I wish you luck with your dreams. It could come true.
              Either way, you are smart, sane, funny and cult-free!

          • GlibWog

            OMG this just gave me good bumps Robert.. How fun was that?

            You did a fabulous job.. and I laughed so hard when you said, ” How the hell do I know I’m not an elf..” Classic..

            I loved seeing what you look like too.. That was special.. ( Plus you are very handsome) Thank you so much for sharing.. How fun!

          • Eclipse-girl

            which person are you Robert?

            • Robert Eckert

              Gandalf. Jim (Aragorn) has decided he can’t act but has directed: there is a rough cut done but the sound needs cleanup; sometime this month I think it will be done. His film is about a “quant” (a species mathematical financial analyst that JohnP knows well) interviewing someone who turns out to be much more interested in stealing his girlfriend than in the job being offered; funny portrayals of nerdishness, corporate assholes, and awkward failures of romantic communication.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I didn’t want to embarrass myself. I liked you. You were funny. You have potential. Not that I would recognize you on the street. If you bring a big bottle of wine like that to my house, you can have dinner. Where those the runes from the book(s) on the paper (parchment) ? And what do the Russian subtitles say at the beginning of the film?

            • Robert Eckert

              The Russian subtitles say that JRR Tolkien left many unpublished stories in his papers (true) and that here is a Lost Tale of Aragorn and Gandalf.

            • Eclipse-girl

              TY for answering. I am ever so curious.

            • Robert Eckert

              The opening subtitles are all written as if this was going to be serious “Ever since Tolkien died in 1973, his executors have been preparing his lost tales… This tale is set in the year 2974 of the Third Age. Aragorn, returning from an expedition to the Mines of Moria, encounters Gandalf in the Elven settlement of Imladris, or Rivendell…”

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Thank you for having clothes on.

            • GlibWog

              Oh Quit it Hubbie

      • GlibWog

        OMG when I was young and dumb.. a Midwestern small town hick who moved to the city..

        I fell for the stupidest.. You should be a Model spiel ever! Went to the Ramada Inn.. A sweaty guy named Les ( How did I remember his name ) it was like 1972..

        He said that he was going to submit my pictures to a catalogue like for Business Suits..hahaha ( I fell for it.. How stupid..)

        Took my pictures of me in a Bikini.. ( for business suit model ( ? ) Thank God nothing happened.

        Just by the Grace of God nothing happened. He sent me the pictures and all I remember is that my feet were absolutely filthy.. hahahha

        I have never told anyone this story.. Good God .. The stupidity of youth.. ( ugh )

        • Eclipse-girl

          Confession feels good. You are anonymous here. I am glad that you weren’t hurt. We were all stupid and young.

          • GlibWog

            Eclipse.. Thank you..

            I think of it every now and then.. when I hear horror stories of girls going to meet someone on Craig’s list or something.. and they disappear.

            Did I luck out.. and I really listen to the ” UH OH ” voice in my Gut Now!

          • Nevermore

            When I was a Catholic, I liked the anonymity of confession, until the day my priest gave me my penance, blessed me, and said ‘and please pray for me, X.’ I just knelt there and said ‘how did you k now it was me??’ I was really indignant about it!

        • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

          Not long ago enough, I bought a slap chop from the TV. Two, actually. Had to get the cheese graters too. Paid full price. From that guy who was a scientologist at the time. I am an adult with a Ph.D. ( ugh )

          • Robert Eckert

            There was a company that used to sell nose-hair clippers in magazines, very cheaply, since their business was not selling nose trimmers at all. Their business was compiling a mailing list of people who seemed to have zero sales resistance, and selling that list to…

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Wow! Where can I get some of those nose clippers?

    • GlibWog

      Ugh.. What a nightmare state.. ( ; / ) All of us know how much that sucks.. ((( HUGS))) from all of us..
      ( Even 8 )

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Oh State, how tragic. I am glad you are back.

    • Missionary Kid

      I started to write that they’ll use the studios for some online “broadcasts” which will only go to clams, but then I remembered the leakage to sites like this, bringing plenty of lulz.

      Come to think about it, you’re probably right. They won’t do crap with the studio.

      The “…have you ever failed to change someone’s body?” is just one of those weird LRH questions. I think it’s there to make a person think that someone has control of MEST, including other people. It’s bullshit.

      I’m sorry you missed the Bunker bash. I’m close to the left coast, and I’m envious that you even were close. When you get a chance, I’m sure you’ll enjoy it.

      I see Tony is talking about another night.

  • MadMaxi

    Wow….never have I spent a hundred grand on anything. Not even my house. And for my seeking and learning my religion maybe a couple grand tops because I chose to travel and live-in a monastery across country. So had to cover travel expenses only, the spiritual teachings and guidance was free. These poor people that get tricked into this scam, my heart weeps for them. This is why as a never-in I have to help the good people enslaved to be freed so they may find true light and peace, in whatever little way I can.

    • ThetaBara

      Well said. Mr Bara and I have had numerous conversations revolving around why the hell I even care about this stuff. But I think he’s starting to get it.
      My favorite line was telling him that while he plays video games, I am fighting actual evil. 😉

      • Mooser

        It is a glimpse into another, and more terrible world. My gosh, what kind of an aching void do you need to find anything about Scientology attractive? And if people do have those aching voids, especially young people, why isn’t there something honest and empowering to engage them?

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    This just in: Scientology claims 10,000,000 members!

    Except, that’s in binary.

    • Missionary Kid

      I cheated and used a spreadsheet to figure out that 10,000,000 in binary is 128.

      • Sherbet

        And, of that, 28 left in the past year.

        • Missionary Kid

          Chuckle

  • Bradley Greenwood

    Original Super Power building revealed in Jamaica…

  • dbloch7986

    I wish I could hold an intervention for my brother. :/

    • Jo

      Never give up hope of change.

    • Eclipse-girl

      Plan it out well before it is done. Read the books, talk to various people, and try to keep your brother from returning. They need days away from the cult with good food and good rest before they may be able to processing information.

  • deanblair

    I was a Scientologist for 40 years but left the cult in 2009 and would never join again nor would I ever recommend it to anyone.

    The reason the questions are asked repetitively is because there is always more than one answer. As the auditor you want the person to look for all possible answers until he has a cognition and a release. Example “Find something about this universe you can accept.” Your first answer might be something like “planet Earth”. You are acknowledged and the question asked again. Your second answer might be “the sun”. Again that is acknowledged and the question asked again. Your next answer and subsequent answers might be something like “the ocean”, “the people living on the planet”, “space”, “my desk”, “death” and so on.

    At some point after looking at all of these things the person usually has a cognition or new realization about something and then a release after which the person feels happy and the process is ended. The cognition is usually something like “Hey, I just realized that there were many things about this universe that I was not willing to accept and it caused me a lot of grief but now I feel a sense of relief and feel like I could change things to turn out differently”.

    I have seen that phenomenon occur thousands of times in auditing and have experienced it myself. But then Scientology pushes you to go onto the “Upper Levels” called OT or Operating Thetan and that is just one point where I disagree with the whole subject. There are no OTS. None of the Scientologists I have ever met (myself included) have ever had any special super duper ability after having completed the upper OT levels even though that was what was promised and promoted. They can’t read minds, move objects by thought, leave the physical body and remotely view things, or anything else super duper.

    There are a multitude of things in Scientology that I disagree with but, the lower levels do seem to produce some neat results none of which are worth the amount of money one has to pay in order to experience it. Scientology is all about MONEY. If you don’t have money you are of no interest to them except to have you work in one of their organizations for pennies an hour.

    • Kelly

      One of the things I take issue with LRH about – he had bad intentions. He really didn’t want people to benefit from scientology. He wanted to subjugate them to his will. He started off from the perspective of a practicing satanist, so this should come as no surprise.

      Would you rather get a paltry win under the direction of a sociopath, or simply look elsewhere?

      • Captain Howdy

        People bandy about the term “Satanist” in relation to LRH somewhat disingenuously.. Crowley didn’t consider himself a “Satanist” and Hubbard was a dilettante poseur playing at what he perceived to be “Satanism”..

        A goodly portion of the internet sites I’ve encountered in my my readings and “research” in the last five or so years that try to paint LRH as a some kind of serious satanist have been born again christian sites, so they definitely have an agenda.

        Hubbard was about as much of a “real’ Satanist as Anto LeVay was and. it was all part of the geek show for the rubes.

        • Kelly

          I’m certainly not disingenuous. If he pursued the “left-hand path” and considered himself Satan (his son said so), then it wouldn’t be a misrepresentation to use that term, regardless of whether he was a “serious satanist.” Labels aside, he did see his subjugation of people as a quantification of his internal power… each enslaved mind as a type of spiritual trophy.

          • Eclipse-girl

            What I think Captain howdy is trying to day is so called “satanists” used that name to irritate and inflame christians. If you read the eleven rules of satanism, you may find yourself agreeing with some of the rules.

            http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Eleven.html

            I am NOT a satanist. Although some christians have accused all atheists of being instruments of satan.

            • Kelly

              I understand. The left-hand path has been “maligned” by Xtians. But, really, truthfully, reading all of Hubbard’s personal stuff, I belief he considered himself as such. He wanted to control, dominate, and subjugate. And this process of subjugation was key, in his mind, to his spiritual progress.

            • Eclipse-girl

              I am not an apologist for LRH or Anton LeVay. They each had their own motives to promote “satanism” and the idea of “magick” [I hate that spelling.]

              I was just trying to say that some satanists relish their role as rebels.

            • Robert Eckert

              “Magick” was Crowley’s spelling, to make it look old-timey, and pretend to be in continuity with ancient traditions, when most of the rituals and whatnot were invented yesterday.

            • Eclipse-girl

              TY for the added information. I do not know much about this stuff. It never interested me. I appreciate being informed.

            • Guest

              As did Hubbard. He fancied he was either going to be a hero or a criminal.

            • Eclipse-girl

              He was a criminal.

            • Guest

              And thusly, he was a utter failure.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Lets get the Co$ ruled as a criminal organization and wipe out its assets and give those assets to people who worked 5 / 10 / 20 + yrs for SO and let let have an IRA or 401K ( or whatever retirement funds are in their home country)

            • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

              Lord have mercy on my soul, those are my kind of satanists:
              http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/354838

            • Eclipse-girl

              I like them , too

          • Captain Howdy

            As Colin Wilson explains in his seminal work “The Occult” ,Satanism and Black Magic and the occult in general is a product of the 20th century. The notion of there being groups of organized groups of satanists and witches and warlocks before this time are mainly the product of propaganda and urban legends propagated by the CC and other Christian groups in order for the purpose social control.

            There are no verifiable records of widespread satanic/black magic practices existing in Europe prior to the 20th century. At least none that were “discovered “without the treat od physical coercion.

        • ThetaBara

          Yeah, but the point about his *intentions* still totally stands. Call him whatever you want. I call him a manipulative asshole.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I have had my share of therapy (yes, both with a psych and a mental health counselor. Yes, I have taken drugs prescribed by a psychiatrist) I believe I paid far less money with similar lasting results as the initial courses of $cientology. I no longer need the the meds. I no longer need the therapy. Neither of these people hound me for money or continuing therapy.

      • aquaclara

        Congratulations, Eclipse!! It sounds like you have bee through some very helpful and healing treatment, to offset the tough times. Wishing you all the best….this is such a nice story, and I am so happy for you!!

        • Eclipse-girl

          I would never wish my life / childhood on another person. Although, it was not as bad as others. My life is mine and made me who I am. I hope I have allowed my child to have less issues to deal with, although we all have issues to deal with.

          TY for the kind thoughts. I feel like this is a warm and welcoming place. I just want to help all those people who are trapped in insidious cult. TY Tony for creating a safe place for people who want help and people who want to escape damned cult.

    • aquaclara

      40 years. 40 FRIGGING YEARS. Oh my, oh my, oh my, oh my. What your life must have been like…..I can’t even imagine.

      First, can I say that I wish you much luck and all that is good in your life outside!?!? There must be an incredibly heroic and strong inner core that you hold, to help you know what to do, when to leave, and now, how to cope. Wow.

      Healing can take time. I wish you many, many sunrises and sunsets. Happiness and hope. Cake and cookies….

      (((HUGS!!!)))”

    • Jeb Burton

      I would contest your statement that the lower levels seem to produce “neat” results. i have been following Claires introduction to scientology series, i guess you could call it, and so far have seen no “neat” results.I and I think many others would say, what is this bullshit and what am I spending my money on? I think it takes a lost soul to swallow this mish mash of psuedo psychological mind control. But I have never been in the cult so I dont know what it is like once your in.

      • Eclipse-girl

        Have you ever needed any help? I have. The AUDITING used by $cientology has a psychological therapeutical bent. I claim that having a person listening to you, focused to you talking to you about hidden secrets, using the e-meter to detect those secrets (with holds) and continuing to pursue that issue is helpful and leads to breakthoughs / wins. I claim that ordering ashtrays, and others around may help some people become more assertive.

        I am NOT advocating the lower levels of $cientology to anyone. I just think there is a lot of psychology going on that pretty much guarantees that individuals will have “wins.”

        • Herod

          Are the sarcasm brackets missing?

          • Eclipse-girl

            No. Having read through the volumes of material that Claire has told Tony, AND having my own experience with therapy, I can see the similarities. What I am sure of is that good therapists / psychologists / psychiatrists know when the treatment is ending and do not pursue their client to make them into a sooper dooper human.

            I like humor and satire. I realize that the internet is not the easiest place for me to express my humor and satire.

        • Jeb Burton

          What if you have an ashtray that just wont listen? Its like my dog. It never does anything I tell it to do.

          • Eclipse-girl

            The way i read through material, the idea of shouting at the ashtray is to get you to used to shouting to get things “done right.”

            I claim that effective management (NOT SO crap) is getting people involved to want want the same outcome. It is not shouting at them for results. You make a request or delegate a job and the other person understands why it needs to be done.

            By shouting at ashtrays, you learn the SO / DM style of management which appears to be shouting / humiliation / physical beating.

    • Graham

      “The reason the questions are asked repetitively is because there is always more than one answer. As the auditor you want the person to look for all possible answers until he has a cognition and a release.”

      This is not unique to $cientology (But then nothing is). The classic brainstorming exercise has you asking the same question over and over, demanding that you spontaneously produce at least (say) 20 answers. Then another 20. And possibly even another 20. Next you review all the spontaneously produced answers to see which ones are workable, which unworkable ones have a grain of truth which could be worked up into something practical etc.

      A useful exercise which I use myself occasionally. The problem with its use in $cientology, from what I can see, is that they flog this same technique to death by using it relentlessly until it risks sucking all the life and creativity out of it. Amazing how LRH could create a self-help and personal development regime complete enough for people to buy into it, from just a few simple Counselling 101 techniques.

    • Sydjazz

      Can i ask what made you jump? Signed interested 🙂

  • media_lush

    a little thing from Radar.com

    • sugarplumfairy

      So satisfying to see the king of nuisance and harassing lawsuits get just a tiny little taste of comeuppance..

      • media_lush

        corrected

    • Aslansown

      I think your link should be radaronline.com … the link you gave goes to Florida weather radar (which does show some disturbance in the force near Clearwater……)

      • aquaclara

        A disturbance in the force…..yes!

    • Kelly

      Nice to see Radar gave the appropriate credit to Tony.

    • Aslansown

      It’s amazing how often radaronline has covered Scientology since Leah left, whereas TMZ took a very long time to even report that (and I think that’s the only thing they’ve reported).

    • Eclipse-girl

      DM can complain (whine) that he wants. What evidence does he have of harassment? This lawsuit? I doubt a judge would view serving papers on a single lawsuit as harassment.

      • Nevermore

        He’s probably going to submit MK’s list of our nicknames for him, and the names of all us bitter defrocked apostates operating on the fringes of the internet. We’re harassing him, don’t you know??

    • Guest

      He’s such a dickhead

      (image post)

      • Herod

        Ha ha!

      • 1subgenius

        Nipple head.

      • renaud

        would be funny to see that big gold book slam shut on his head, lol

      • Sir Hemet TC Burlwood, VIII

        Looks like one of dem flyin dickheads wit de golden rod wings.

  • Sunny Sands

    The Tampa Bay Times has a short article “Cretekos Blasts Scientologists Over Tree Removal”. We already know the contents of the letter because it was published here. The writer Mr. Frago responded to my email asking for a follow-up on the requirements to scientology to hold their Oct. 6 dedication in the tent. He says he is continuing to follow the issue.
    http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/baybuzz/cretekos-blasts-scientologists-over-tree-removal/2139814#comments

    • Eclipse-girl

      I hope Clearwater does continue to pursue it. Those were two old oak trees that deserved to be saved.

    • Graham

      “a church spokeswoman said it had acted much like other developers.”. So- they see themselves as on the same level as any other Joe, trying to make a buck? So much for being ‘the most ethical people on the planet’.

  • Cloud

    I’m not sure if I missed this somewhere along the way, but does Claire or any of the Formers know how long it would take 1) an average person with an average job who is dedicated to get to this point and having spent this amount and 2) what about someone well-off with money like that laying around? I’m curious how long it takes for this “church” to get $103,000 out of someone.

    • renaud

      They get a second mortage on their house and donate their child’s college tuition

    • Cloud

      What I meant is how long does it take people to get to Grades 3 and 4?

  • USA MRIID

    “Up The Bridge” has sexual connotations.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      “Up the Bridge” has dental connotations.

  • USA MRIID

    “In Scientology auditing, if someone says they are exterior, the auditor
    will end the session immediately so the person can “enjoy their win.””

    Of course the insane crooks still charge the rube for the full price, the full time scheduled.

  • Jon Hendry

    This is getting ‘spensive.

  • Sydjazz

    Went to the local second hand bookshop and saw a pile of unopened lrh audio books. Guess that means someone else has jumped ship 😀