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SCIENTOLOGY’S PRIVATE DANCER: A Story of Seduction, Intervention, and Betrayal

AS SEEN ON TV: The title image for Bryan Seymour's report on Today Tonight

AS SEEN ON TV: The title image for Bryan Seymour’s report on Today Tonight

The Underground Bunker has teamed up with another Australian news organization for an exclusive story about Scientology. In this case, we are pleased to have worked with Bryan Seymour of the 7 News program Today Tonight.

We coordinated with Seymour to investigate the story of Manuela Oliveira, a woman who had been a rising dancer building a solid television choreography career, working on such shows as The Voice, and The X Factor, and for such stars as Jennifer Lopez, Rihanna, and Paula Abdul. Three years ago, Manuela moved to Los Angeles from Australia with her boyfriend and fellow choreographer, Yannus Sufandi, as the two followed their dreams of breaking into Hollywood.

Two years later, their dreams were disrupted and Manuela had abandoned her relationship with Yannus. To her family’s utter surprise, she had given up everything to join the Church of Scientology’s strict inner corps, the Sea Organization.

In March, the Oliveira family sent Manuela’s brother, Mark, from Sydney to Los Angeles to meet with Yannus to investigate what had happened. The two of them conspired to lure Manuela out of Scientology’s Los Angeles headquarters and bring her to a meeting at a private home, where several well-known Ex-Scientologists were waiting for her. It was an intervention of a Sea Org member, a rare and emotional event that pitted a conditioned, robotic young woman against her brother, her boyfriend, and several people who were doing their best to talk sense into her.

And we were there.

In the last couple of years, we’ve been reporting non-stop on the numerous crises that grip Scientology: dwindling membership, internal splits, the meltdown of Narconon, the announcement of government investigations and the filing of dozens of new lawsuits from one end of the country to the other. But investigating the story of Manuela Oliveira — which contained some of the most unique experiences of our reporting career — made us realize that it would be a mistake to think that Scientology does not still have the power to lure in young people and convince them to give up their previous lives and their previous families. For some, the siren call of Scientology is as potent as ever, and that worries people like Australian Senator Nick Xenophon, who told us Manuela’s story concerned him greatly.

“It shows you the grip that Scientology can have on people,” Xenophon told us. “This is an organization that promises everything but in some cases delivers the opposite. It promises spiritual salvation, but instead puts people through a personal hell.”



Yannus Sufandi’s family moved to Australia from Indonesia when he was a child. Manuela Oliveira’s family had emigrated from Portugal. The two met for the first time in 2004.

At the time, she had just ended a seven-year relationship, and was looking for a new direction in her life. She took a dance class from Yannus, and before long they were dating.


As a couple in Sydney, Yannus and Manuela began to have serious success with their dancing and choreography. They were getting work on Australia’s So You Think You Can Dance, and Manuela became a judge on the Malaysian version of the show.

In 2010, they decided it was time to try the big time, and they moved to Los Angeles and applied for green cards. Making a living had always been a struggle, and now, even more so.

“It’s a process. You don’t just move to LA and get famous. There are ups and downs,” Yannus says. “In the entertainment business, you get knocked back a lot. There are a lot of rejections. It’s a grind and it’s a hustle, and it’s about knowing the right people.”

Still, their careers continued to improve. They worked together choreographing segments on The Voice and The X Factor, and each of them tried to branch out — Yannus with acting, and Manuela with singing and producing music.

Then, early in 2012, at a dance class, Manuela seriously injured a knee. It left her bedridden for weeks, and Yannus says it left her depressed. “She had an eye infection too. She was feeling down. She wanted to work on her music, but she was also feeling beat down.”

Her injury wasn’t the only thing that had been bothering her, he says. “Every man she met to talk to about her dancing or her music wanted to sleep with her. She was tired of it.”

While she was still recovering, Manuela heard from an old friend, a woman in Florida she had known in Australia. The friend told her that she was in Florida doing courses at Scientology’s spiritual headquarters there. She encouraged Manuela to look into Hollywood’s Celebrity Centre, telling her they could do “touch assists” to help her knee heal.

(“Touch assists” are a sort of faith-healing technique that Scientologists are encouraged to use. John Travolta recently was quoted in a Scientology magazine saying that he had eliminated the severe pain a man was feeling in his ankle after a car crash simply by doing an assist.)

After her knee was well enough for her to walk again, Manuela began making visits to Scientology’s Hollywood Celebrity Centre.

She began telling Yannus about the place, and also that Scientology had its own recording studio, Mad Hatter, which had been founded by Chick Corea.

At her urging, Yannus went with her to see the studio. By that point, she’d been dabbling in Scientology for a few months.

“She said she felt better and was learning something,” Yannus says. So he didn’t give it much mind.

Then, in November 2012, she asked him to come to the Celebrity Centre with her.

“She wanted me to check out the Purification Rundown. She said Kelly Preston was going to be speaking. I hadn’t really checked it out in the six months that she’d been involved. But I was creeped out. I didn’t like the pressure they were putting on her. They were calling her constantly,” he says.

In January of this year, he says, she made several visits to Mad Hatter Studios, and the Scientologists there showed her videos of past events, telling her that they wanted her to choreograph upcoming shows.

In February, she told Yannus that she wanted to “join the team” at Mad Hatter.

“What does that mean, ‘join the team’?” He asked her.

Yannus remembers that she told him she was finished with the music world, where producers just wanted to sleep with her. The Scientologists wanted to improve the world, not have sex with her.

He asked her again — but what does it mean to join the team?

“It means moving in with them,” she told him.

Yannus remembers getting emotional. He asked her if there was something wrong with him that was driving her to Scientology.


[Manuela’s online choreography reel — she worked with Yannus on The Voice and The X Factor.]

No, she assured him. There was nothing wrong with their relationship.

“They’re going to have a television station. They need choreography,” she told him.

In 2011, Scientology had purchased the old KCET studios, home to LA’s public television station. Since then, the church has said it has plans to launch its own TV station, but hasn’t provided any details.

“Who’s going to watch this TV station?” Yannus asked her. “Nobody’s going to watch that.”

She told him that gradually, it would catch on. And besides, didn’t he want to help people?

She had put him on the defensive. He said that he’d given donations to causes and expected to start a foundation once he hit it big.

“What about me and you?” he asked.

“She said, ‘Don’t look at it like we’re not together. Look at it like I’m going ahead, and you should go to the Celebrity Centre to find out what it’s all about.’ But I don’t want to study Scientology, I told her. But they can help you, she said. I said I had my own role models. Spielberg isn’t there. Denzel isn’t there. And I don’t give a crap about Cruise and Travolta.”

Manuela told him she believed God had sent her to Scientology.

Over the next few weeks, she underwent security checks at the church to make sure she had no connections to police or reporters. She was asked about Yannus and his connections. She began to talk about signing the Sea Org’s billion-year contract.

Yannus asked her to wait. He knew she had a gig in Las Vegas as a judge in a big talent show at the end of April, and she’d already been paid half her fee up front.

“I think they pressured her more and more. And so, suddenly, at the end of February, she said, ‘I think it’s in me. I wake up every day thinking about it.’ And she said she had to do it,” Yannus says.

On Tuesday, February 26, Manuela packed up her things.

“I couldn’t watch her pack. I had to leave,” Yannus says.

“I came back home that night and checked the mail. Both of our green cards had arrived. It was crazy. Surreal. Fuck, our green cards had come out, and that was the day she left.”

Yannus gets emotional talking about it.

“I love her and I trusted her. I was so confused. We were chasing our dreams,” he says. But then, he got angry.

“I wanted to know, what is this Scientology thing?”

He spent days researching Scientology on the Internet. “I was going through such an emotional roller coaster,” he says.

For three weeks, he read and read, and one day stumbled across the YouTube channel of Tory Christman, a woman who had left Scientology more than a decade ago after spending 30 years in the church.

He called her, and they spoke several times about what he was going through. She in turn referred him to Tiziano Lugli, a former Scientologist who was also an artist and music producer. Tory told him that if any ex-Scientologist knew what he and Manuela were going through, it was Tiziano.

Yannus also contacted Manuela’s family in Sydney, and found out that Manuela had told them only that she had started a job with a production company.

“She hadn’t told them it was Scientology. So I told them what it was, a religion, a cult, and that she was living with them,” he says.

Manuela called him, angry that he’d told her family about the things he’d read about Scientology on the Internet.

“But it’s all true, isn’t it? It’s true that I can’t be with you because I’m not a Sea Org member, isn’t that right?” he asked her.

She admitted that it was so. She couldn’t date him anymore as long as she was living on the base as a Sea Org member and he wasn’t.

“Well, don’t tell me I can’t tell them that. It’s the truth,” he said.

He spoke to her brother, Mark, explaining that after nine years, Manuela had simply left him. He encouraged Mark to bring his parents to Los Angeles to confront Manuela. But Mark told him that their parents weren’t up for it.

So, in March, Mark Oliveira flew alone to Los Angeles to meet up with Yannus.

They made plans to get Manuela out of Scientology’s base.



On Monday, March 25, we happened to be in Los Angeles when we got a call from Tiziano Lugli. The previous fall, we had spent time at his home studio, and that had turned into a pretty big news story. So this time, when he called, we were all ears.

It didn’t take him very long to explain what was about to happen, and we told him we were on our way.

Lugli and his wife Jamie Sorrentini Lugli live in a well-appointed home in the Hollywood Hills. She’s an actress; he was a pop star in Italy and now produces music in LA. They left Scientology about three years ago, and endured intense harassment for it — there were so many private investigators outside their home, following them wherever they went, Tiziano put together videos of what it was like.

After Yannus had talked to Tiziano about his situation, they came up with a plan once Mark Oliveira flew in. The day before, on the 24th, Tiziano, Yannus, and Mark had gone to the home of Young and the Restless actor Michael Fairman and his wife, Joy Graysen — both former Scientologists — and were joined by Tom DeVocht, a former Scientology executive who had largely run the church’s spiritual headquarters in Clearwater, Florida before his own defection in 2005.

They formulated a plan to get Manuela up to Tiziano’s house, where they would attempt an intervention.

On the 25th, Mark asked his sister to come out of the “Big Blue” complex on Fountain Avenue for lunch with him and Yannus. She agreed. And while he actually drove her up to the Lugli house, Mark let Tiziano know they were on the way.

We got there first. As we waited with Tiziano for them to arrive, we tried to think of a similar situation, and couldn’t really think of any. “Deprogramming” sessions had gone out with the 1980s, and we had no experience with an intervention with a Sea Org member — certainly not with an array of well-known former church members.

We held back, sitting in a corner after being introduced to Manuela — we wanted simply to watch, not to participate.

Meanwhile, around the dining room table in the Lugli house sat Tiziano and Jamie, Yannus, Mark, and his sister Manuela.

If she seemed confused, unsure of who we all were and what was happening, she didn’t really show it. She was dressed in her Sea Org outfit, with a blue polo shirt and navy pants, and a drab grey jacket. It was hard to reconcile her with the glamorous dancer we’d seen in videos. She looked more like she was going to be pumping gas.

And as Tiziano began to speak, she looked at him, expressionless, and began to utter a series of quick acknowledgements — yes, I see, I understand, right — just like Scientologists are trained to do.

DeVocht, Graysen, and Fairman had not yet arrived, and Tiziano had to keep things moving along until they did. He began a long dissertation about all the controversies that Scientology was involved in. And although she kept acknowledging everything he was saying with her yesses and I sees, it didn’t really seem to be going anywhere.

After a while, Manuela began interrupting, saying that she needed to get back to the base. She hadn’t signed out for a long conversation with people she didn’t really know.

The intervention seemed to be falling apart before it really had got going. Tiziano continued to talk about the things that someone like Manuela, still fairly new to the group, hadn’t been told yet about Scientology — that its increasingly expensive classes eventually had members learning about ancient galactic warlords and alien genocides and disembodied souls that Scientology charged up to a thousand dollars an hour to be exorcised.

What Tiziano was saying was true, but it didn’t seem to be the kind of thing that would get through to Manuela. After a while, it became clear that he was mostly stalling for time, and she was increasingly interrupting, saying that she needed to get back to the base.

Jamie Lugli then tried to get things back on track, and started to tell Manuela about some of the things that she and Tiziano had been through since they had left the church — following Scientology policy, their family members and friends still in the church rapidly “disconnected” from them. Her father, Jamie explained, had never seen the young daughter that she and Tiziano were raising, simply because Jamie had been “declared” a “suppressive person,” by the church — Scientology jargon for excommunication.


Mark Oliveira was taping the intervention with his smartphone. Later, he sent us segments from early in the conversation that he had taped. We’ve assembled some of it so you can get a sense of the feeling in the room. The first part is Tiziano talking about the things Manuela doesn’t know about Scientology; the middle section is Manuela saying that she could stay longer if she’d signed our for more than an hour; the final section is Jamie talking about disconnection in her family, and Mark can also briefly be heard.

Finally, the others arrived. DeVocht, Fairman, and Graysen took their seats, and Tiziano quickly brought them up to speed on what was going on.


Michael Fairman and Joy Graysen

Michael Fairman and Joy Graysen

Graysen and DeVocht immediately changed the tenor of the conversation. They engaged Manuela more, asked her about herself, tried to turn her responses into further questions. But again, Manuela said she hadn’t signed out from the base for something so long.

Then, Mark spoke.

Until this point, about an hour into the intervention, Mark and Yannus had said little. But now, Mark told his sister that she needed to stop talking about going back to the base and she needed to listen to these people, who had all spent 20 years or more in Scientology. Before she really dedicated herself to the Sea Org’s billion-year contract, she needed to know what she was getting into.

That’s when we noticed that tears were streaming down his cheeks.

The feeling in the room began to shift. Until now, Manuela and what she meant to her brother and to Yannus had been a somewhat abstract idea — now, it started to become clearer to everyone in the room what was really at stake.

And that’s when Yannus lost it.

For about the hundredth time, Manuela reacted to what someone had said by quickly, coolly, answering “I understand.”

Yannus pounded on the table, startling everyone.


“It was a remarkably emotional moment,” DeVocht told us this week as we discussed our memories of the event. “You could tell her brother was really worried about her. And then to see Yannus break down like that. It was horrifying.”


Tom DeVocht: "Here was this young couple, doing well, they're probably madly in love, pulled up stakes in Australia, and suddenly she's in a cult and disappeared."

Tom DeVocht: “Here was this young couple, doing well, they’re probably madly in love, pulled up stakes in Australia, and suddenly she’s in a cult and disappeared.”

“It was shocking when he did that. But I think it had been building up inside of him. Then he just sort of let it all rip,” Jamie Lugli tells us. “I was happy that he did that. It felt like it needed to be done. Somebody needed to crack her open, and it hadn’t been happening.”

But still, Manuela was unflappable.

She turned to her brother, and asked if he would go outside with her. The rest agreed it was time for a break. And they watched as Manuela, Mark, and Yannus made their way to the side of the Lugli house.

We soon noticed that there just happened to be a security camera aimed at the spot. We watched from Tiziano’s home studio as Manuela appeared very agitated, moving her arms rapidly as she talked to Mark and Yannus. Then, Tom DeVocht joined them, and her demeanor changed.

DeVocht has a very warm, comforting persona that seemed to reach Manuela. Before long, he had her talking at length about what she was experiencing at the base. And that’s when we noticed Manuela had begun embracing Yannus, and kissing him — she had not seen much of him after moving out of their apartment the month before.

With our smartphone, we captured some of the footage visible on the security cam. It gives an impression of how the talks outside the house were going.


“She seemed more comfortable in a one-on-one conversation,” DeVocht tells us. “I asked her, do you have your phone when you’re at the base? I turn it in every night, she said. Don’t you think that’s unusual? Do they go through your mail? I tried to point out the violations of privacy, that she was being watched all the time. I wanted her to take away that as she saw those things happening, she would think about what we’d told her.”

After a few minutes, Graysen joined them.

“When I got out there, we had broken her down a little bit,” Joy says. “She was more of a person, she wasn’t being as robotic. ‘I do want to know about this,’ she was saying. But she also kept going on and on about how she was going to be able to dance and sing in the Sea Org, and she was going to be part of a television show. We kept shaking our heads. But she said she had no problem with access to her cell phone. No problem getting time off if she asked for it. She could come back out and talk to us if she wanted to. But we kept saying, you’re never going to have this opportunity again.”

It was clear that Manuela was determined to get back to the base, and Mark and Yannus needed to take her there.

Tiziano admits that he felt defeated.

“I didn’t want to let her out of there,” he says. “I had wanted to convince her to leave the Sea Org, but we didn’t get there. She was like a robot. I was thinking, how do I break through this? How do I break through this Scientology insensitivity? She really did not understand what she was up against.”

As she prepared to leave, Manuela assured everyone that she actually had it very good at the base. The food was organic and good tasting, the work fulfilling. There was really nothing to complain about.

Mark and Yannus drove her back down the hill to the Big Blue complex.



A few weeks later, a Los Angeles woman named Beatriz Camarillo made a desperate phone call that rang through to a man in Pittsburgh named Chuck Beatty.

Beatty’s a familiar figure to the regular readers of this website — he is an ex-Scientologist who spent decades in the Sea Org, and endured its prison detail — the Rehabilitation Project Force — for seven years. Since leaving the church, he has made it his mission to help others leave the organization, and he runs a hotline, 866-XSEAORG.

After Beatty heard what Beatriz had to say, he contacted us.

Beatriz had called Beatty at her wit’s end. She told us that a couple of months earlier, she had taken in a new lodger in her house, which she shared with her two daughters, Iliana and Veronica Galvez, ages 20 and 21. Soon after the man moved in, he had begun telling the two young women about Scientology. He soon arranged to have them take some courses. And then, within just a few weeks after they had first heard about the church, Iliana and Veronica had signed billion-year contracts and had gone to live at the Big Blue complex.

Beatriz said her head was spinning, it had all happened so fast.

“They didn’t even give me the address. I went over there and said I want to see my daughters, they’re not answering their phones. They gave me a tour. And later, they took us to the place that looked like a temple and there were dorms in the back.”

Her daughters were brought out, wearing their Sea Org uniforms.

“They looked bad,” she says.

She had done some searching about Scientology on the Internet. “I tried to talk to them about this place, to tell them it was wrong. But they were against me. Every time I said something against the place they looked at me like they were mad. My God, I couldn’t believe this was happening to me,” she says.

But by the time Beatriz spoke with Beatty, she knew that her younger daughter, Iliana, was having doubts. When she told Iliana about Beatty, her daughter said she wanted to talk to him.

When we called Beatriz for the first time a few days later, Iliana had come home. Veronica, the older daughter, still refused to leave the base, saying that she was happy where she was.

“They told us to lie to you,” Iliana told her mother after she came home.

We asked to speak to Iliana, who sounded relieved to talk about her experience. She said she understood that, in hindsight, it did seem surprising that she had joined the Sea Org so quickly. But after taking a course with her sister, their supervisor had asked if they wanted to come work for Scientology and help people. Her sister Veronica loved the idea. Iliana was more skeptical. But soon, they were at Big Blue working on the “Estates Project Force,” a sort of boot camp for the Sea Org.

They were housed with four other women in a dorm room.

And one of them was Manuela Oliveira.

“She was a dorm I/C [‘in charge’]. She was in charge of making sure the room was clean,” Iliana told us. “She told me that her brother came to visit to try to convince her to leave. I told her my mom was against us being there. ‘My family’s against it, too. But you need this. It’s the greatest thing,’ Manuela said. She was nice and very outgoing. Sometimes she was a little weird. She was very by-the-rules.”

Iliana said that Manuela talked a lot about dancing at Mad Hatter studios, that “she wanted to use her talent there.” But there was one thing she didn’t talk about.

“She didn’t mention a boyfriend,” Iliana said.

We told her what Manuela had said to us at the intervention, that she had free use of a cell phone, that she could take time off when she wanted to, and that the food was good.

“The food was terrible. They expected us to work all day long, and with that crappy food, I felt exhausted,” Iliana said.

“In the morning we got fried eggs. No vegetables. Or we got scrambled eggs, but no fruit. There was granola, but it was the junk food kind. Some milk,” she said. “We were in prison. We weren’t allowed to talk to Sea Org members. The EPF stayed with EPF. We were told to smile, call them sir, and stay out of their way.

“At lunch it was crappy hamburgers, the patties were dry. And bad hot dogs. There was very rarely any fruit. Or they gave us crappy tacos. I’d get the runs or I was constipated. It would give me a tummy ache,” she said.

“I usually went to the canteen” — where some items could be purchased — “and I was surviving on almond butter and fruit. For dinner it was beans and rice. Refried beans and brown rice. Almost every fucking day. On Wednesday, we’d get a pot roast or something.”

Iliana’s account was very different than Manuela’s.

Iliana said there were many other reasons to be concerned about conditions in the EPF and the Sea Org at the Los Angeles headquarters. The work schedule was brutal, and went from 7:40 in the morning until lights out at 11:30 pm. They lacked sleep and were dehydrated, and Iliana says one older woman fell and broke a knee during the hard work.

“We had no time to drink water. We didn’t have time to go to the bathroom. The food was not nutritional. We were outside in the sun, working in a yard, cleaning off bird shit. It wasn’t like the happy place they had told us about,” Iliana says. “They show you these videos of setting a good example, helping the homeless, and other things. And yet I didn’t see them doing that. They told me to lie to my mom. They told me, ‘Tell her that you’re having a good time here and that we’re feeding you well.'”

But after her mother visited, they were told to write up reports about everything their mother had said.

“I didn’t know it was going to be like that. They make all these promises and never accomplish it,” Iliana says. “I tried running away but got caught. They told me if I wanted to leave I needed to sign some forms and it would take about two weeks. I thought, oh my gosh.”

Eventually, she wrote a “CSW” — “completed staff work” — asking permission to go home and take care of some bills. (Sea Org members must not have debts, a rule that helps them cut themselves off from the outside world.) The ruse worked, and when she got home, Iliana followed her mother’s instructions and called Chuck Beatty. She decided not to go back.

Not long after we spoke with Beatriz and Iliana for the first time, Veronica made her own escape from the Scientology complex.

She credited her mother. “She kept coming. She came every Sunday, and they didn’t like that. My mom would tell me what she had read about Scientology, and, well I guess it was the truth,” Veronica says. “I was connecting all the dots with everything I was seeing that was wrong. I had been closing my eyes to them, why things were like that.

“I really wanted to help people. I was seeing without seeing. But when my mom gave me this information, I was connecting the dots.”


Iliana (left) and Veronica Galvez

Iliana (left) and Veronica Galvez

Iliana and Veronica are very young, and they had joined the Sea Org remarkably fast. But just as quickly, they had made their way back out again.

Each of them, however, said that Manuela Oliveira had seemed very determined.




Mark Oliveira says that when his sister Manuela went into dancing nine years ago, the family was actually against it.

“My parents were a little weird about it. But you know what, Manuela succeeded. That’s when my parents started to realize, well, congratulations.”

“And to them, this [Scientology] is like she’s taking another big step. So it’s hard to go against her, because the last time she took a big step, she made it.”

A day or two after the March intervention, Mark got to see Manuela again. She didn’t bring up the intervention itself.

“She only said there’s a lot of people against the church. But there are people who support it. And that’s like any other religion,” he said. “She actually believes in spirits and past lives, and that makes it difficult.”

She told him that she also liked the people she had been meeting in Scientology.

After the intervention, Mark stayed around for several more days, repeatedly extending his flight, but eventually he had to return to Australia.

“I don’t feel like I’m going away empty-handed. I felt that I did everything I had to do. I tried so much, and I met so many people.”

He began sobbing during our phone call.

“I feel like I’ve done everything I can. I lied to her and got her to Tiziano’s house.”

He’d been second-guessing the way things went, and he admitted that it had been a difficult experience.

“I can’t tie her down, man. She’ll have to experience it. Let her hit her head against the wall,” he said. “The way she did this was a slap in the face to us. But you know what, I want her to be slapped by reality a bit.”

Since returning to Australia, Mark has been less communicative. He did send over portions of the tapes he made the day of the intervention, but otherwise he has stopped talking about his sister.

Yannus has remained in touch with Manuela, usually through texts. He has tried to maintain hope that she will change her mind about the Sea Org, or that the attention being placed on her will convince Scientology that she’s too much of a liability.

Tom DeVocht told us that he thinks Manuela kept her mouth shut about the intervention.

“I really don’t think she told anyone anything. At the least she would have been put on lockdown” if Scientology had realized that she had met such arch-apostates as the Luglis, Joy Graysen and Michael Fairman, and DeVocht.

“There’s no way she would have been able to keep talking to Yannus,” he says.

But once it becomes known that she has stayed in touch with Yannus, who is connected to so many prominent ex-Scientologists, will it make a difference?

“I think she stands a chance of getting kicked right out of there,” DeVocht adds.

Well, there’s no longer any secret that Manuela has drawn a great deal of attention. A few weeks ago, Bryan Seymour flew to Los Angeles and, with the help of Yannus, tried to interview Manuela. But she refused to cooperate, and even before Seymour’s story aired, she put together a “response” video to him just a few hours before this story was published…


Within just a short time — maybe only an hour or two — the video was pulled down, but we managed to get this still from it. In her response, Manuela (now not wearing her drab Sea Org clothes), said she was happy in Scientology and was still dedicated to dancing.

We hope Manuela restores her response, and then goes into more detail after Seymour’s story airs and this story is published.

Her decision to remain in Scientology is her own, of course. But with so much information available today about the history of the organization, its many controversies, and the realities of the life in the Sea Org, we can’t help being surprised that such talented young people, with promising lives ahead of them, choose to sign billion-year contracts to serve Scientology, lifetime after lifetime.

We asked Yannus: Was the intervention at the Lugli house a waste of time?

“Definitely not,” he told us. “We might not see its effect now. But we will see it.”

He hasn’t given up hope.

Statement by Scientology

Bryan Seymour received this response to his story from the church…

The Church of Scientology objects to the participation of Channel 7 in staged incidents that seek to manipulate the truth. This entire story is a propaganda piece fabricated by a small handful of antireligious zealots on the fringes of the Internet. You are well aware that you attempted to stalk and harass a member of the Church and are publishing untruths about her.

Scientology is a recognized worldwide religious movement with millions of members in 184 countries. The Sea Organization is the Scientology religion’s religious order, much like religious orders in other faiths. Voluntary participation in the religious services of Scientology is a matter of personal choice and is a fundamental human right guaranteed throughout the free world.

People interested in the truth should visit our website at
Karin Pouw

Church of Scientology


Posted by Tony Ortega on September 2, 2013 at 05:00

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  • nottrue

    I am so glad the Galvez girls got the hell out of that nut house. When Veronica Galvez said for Manuela to ” get out get out you can stay at my house” it just tore at my heart

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Aggressive hedonists and “casting couch” bullies are frightening and exhausting, especially for a young person in a country that is not her own. These bullies prey on the young in places like London, New York and Hollywood. While the majority of young artists do not allow this culture to destroy them, many spiral downwards as they accept more and more humiliation. The Church of Scientology finds these lost young people and like the evil “motherly” landlady with a serial killer son, it offers them a “haven” from the bullying, the hedonism and the decadence, and “promises” them that their careers will flourish. By the time the young artist realizes that she is in the grip of a monster one thousand time worse than any casting couch, she finds the doors are locked and she can’t leave. Not only that, but she may even find that Scientology has its own casting couch and now she has to “audition” for Tom Cruise and any other “big being” celebrity her pimp, David Miscavig, sends her to. This entire set-up is the essence of evil, and it is calculated and well-planned. The Church of Scientology has had over fifty years of experience in Hollywood, it knows every button to push, every platitude that is successful in drawing in desperate young artists. The irony, of course, is that since the Church of Scientology has been in Hollywood, New York and London for over fifty years, why has it been such a complete failure in stopping the aggressive hedonism and decadence it claims to oppose? Why are there more hedonists, more decadent producers and directors than ever in Hollywood? Why did Manuela face the same casting couch Marilyn Monroe faced 60 years ago? If Manuela had been a little older and a little less desperate perhaps she would have asked these questions. Instead, she is now locked in a the cage with an evil, hedonistic, little man controlling her every move and this little man may very well demand that she either visit some celebrity’s casting couch or start scrubbing toilets with a toothbrush.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    What strikes me is that Manuela had put up a very strong filter, as many scientologists do. The constant ‘uh huh’, ‘yes’, ‘I see’ is the deflection of information. It is an attempt to put a ‘full stop’ on the undesirable incoming communication. Manuela identified what was being done as an attack on her and was deflecting it as well as she could. It gets labeled “entheta” and marked “do not think with this, it is false”.

    In computer terms, the filter is directing the incoming information into /dev/null, an infinite bit-bucket where nothing is saved.

    What also strikes me is that it is the personal caring and emotional connection that gets past the filter, at least to some small degree. She still loves her family, she still loves her boyfriend, but they are overlaid with the labels and the mental note of “deluded”, “PTS” and other scientology terms that make it ok to disregard what they say.

    I remember feeling that way. Feeling that mix of sadness and determination because some of my family who cared about me were so misinformed about my decision to be in scientology, in the sea org. In a strange way, it boosted my dedication because the ‘degradation of the society’ had reached them and corrupted them, or so I viewed their objections. Their objections strengthened my resolve.

    It also caused me to, in my scientological mindset, to remember and invest in all the disagreements and upsets and conflicts I had had with them over the years. The identification of them as negative was thus bolstered by the negative experiences of them I picked out of my memories.

    Another factor is that on a basic emotional level, telling a scientologist about all the bad things that scientology does is, in scientology terms, ‘making them wrong’. You’re making them wrong for their decision to join this group. You’re making them wrong for misjudgment of the group. You’re making them wrong for caring about the state of the world and trying to change it. You’re making them wrong for trying to make a difference. You’re making them wrong for believing in something greater than themselves. This is all going to make them very, very, defensive.

    I’m not an expert. I only have my long self-examination of my own experience and what I can glean from how I got in and how I got out. I congratulate and appreciate very, very much the loving effort to speak to, to intervene with someone who had gone into scientology and try to get them to see it for what it is. But I know from personal experience how difficult it is to get past the filters and blocks. I know it from both sides. I know that it can fail easily. I know it can take a long time for the message to take root.

    I have no easy answer to the problem of getting past the scientology filter and the scientology shell personality and making contact with the real, original, vital person who is still there, with information they can accept and think with.

    Right now, looking back over my experience, I think these things perhaps work the best:

    Love. Just the untainted, pure frequency of love. Love gets past. Not “I Love you, but…” No, just “I Love YOU”. This is expressed with emotion, with delight at seeing the person again, with reminding them of good times and great times. Of shared laughter and shared tears. Without an agenda, without a subterfuge or motive. Just letting them know there is love and always will be love, regardless. Letting them know they always have a safe place in your heart and your home. Doing things with them that are fun, happy, carefree and not related to anything scientology penetrate and dismantle, if slowly, the view that only scientology has value. It shows by example there is more. It shows there is love and fun and purpose outside too. No contract or donation needed. By example, by demonstration, not words or argument.

    Speaking in scientologese. While a scientologist is programmed AGAINST the ‘wog’ world and it’s ideas, values and even language, they are programmed to ACCEPT scientology words and concepts. Scientology, while having a distorted view of values, history and humanity, is still a full-featured programming language with a logic and a structure. One of it’s attractions is that it is both idealistic and simplistic. It is a ‘way to view the world and to think with and operate within it’. Many of it’s concepts are attractive and make sense; the world does seem to work that way. The communication formula makes some kind of sense. The ‘ethics conditions’ make some kind of sense. Auditing makes some kind of sense.

    My point is a scientologist is running the ‘scientology operating system’, as J. Swift would say. It only really accepts properly formatted language as direct input. Anything else is interpreted through a translation process and checked for any non-conforming concepts before being passed on.

    But it is hard-wired to accept the language and concepts of scientology. That goes right through. So if you talk to a scientologist, and you want to get them to talk to you, especially ABOUT scientology, you have to format it in scientologese language and scientology concepts. Other wise it goes through the filter and into /dev/null.

    Because it is a full-featured programming language, scientology can be used to examine itself. Many concept such as out-ethics, off-purpose, withholding communication, the ‘missed-withhold’ phenomena, and especially ‘outpoints’ can be used to examine the internal landscape of scientology. Using the language and concepts of scientology, showing a scientologist in scientologese, the ways in which scientology in reality is far different than scientology in concept begins to cause critical thinking. Encouraging them to apply the data series or the ethics conditions to what they have seen and experienced themselves in scientology reveals to them a reality they cannot ignore.

    So, over the years I have written some essays that explore some of these concepts. They are available on the web. I think they might be helpful:

    “How to talk to a Scientologist” by Michael Leonard Tilse
    “How to get a Scientologist to talk to you” by Michael Leonard Tilse

    And this recent essay, despite it’s title, is my attempt to explore how I became a scientologist, and how I think many people are pulled into it. And also what the consequences of that can be for self, friends and family, employers and the general society:

    “Scientology is Evil and Scientologists are Dangerous” by Michael Leonard Tilse

    Any loving, caring attempt to get someone out of scientology will have it’s positive effect no matter if it gets them out immediately or if it plants the seeds that grow into an exit years from now. It is caring actions like those of Manuela’s family and friends and loving strangers that will always help, and that I applaud and support.

    • Casabeca

      I agree with you. Don’t sit across from her and criticize her, sit beside her, taking her side against the world, express unconditional love to her, and ask if her own dreams, goals and wishes are happening. Remind her she is smart and valuable. Is she being treated in the great way that she deserves? Does she get the money and respect she has earned? Remind her of wise decisions she has made in the past. IMHO antagonism does not work as well as staying on her side.

      • Semper Phi

        Not to mention that overt antagonism will result in official ethics cycles that will make the loved ones into eternal problems that have to be dealt with in handling after handling. That alone can cause distancing, since it’s so very much easier just to not have any contact with people who are even the least bit antagonistic. My family were never overtly antagonistic, and I can’t tell you how much time I still had to spend convincing ethics officers of that. But they never gave me any reason to avoid seeing them and never made a “fuss” that put me on my guard. Since I’ve been out I have wished a few times that they had slapped me upside the head and fought more to get me to see the truth and get me out sooner, but today’s story and the comments make me see that, for me, they played the whole thing just right.

        • Casabeca

          I bet they are delighted to have you back! To have a good family is to be very rich. IMHO.

    • 1subgenius

      Utterly fantastic essays.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Thank you.

    • CraftLass

      I found the earlier essays you mention pretty soon after I started looking into this stuff. Even as someone not looking to get a specific person out or anything, they were one of the major reasons I began to understand other things I was reading that were confusing to me. So, basically, they are just awesome pieces and thank you for writing them!

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Thank you. You are very welcome.

    • Artoo45

      Ugh. The phrase “making Scientology wrong” is parroted in the Landmark Forum. I got sucked into that by an employer back in my new-agey, magical-thinking days. There were actually some good things about the Forum, but the manipulation to become a salesman for more people to do the Forum turned out to be a nasty, persistent perversion of “enrollment,” one of their “distinctions.” Very creepy. When ever I would question or challenge Landmark in any way I would get an almost tearful “why are you making Landmark wrong?” The plusses of the Forum were very much like the “wins” one would get in the lower levels of Scientology, but Landmark is no Scientology. It’s a pale shadow of Scientology in the mind-control department. Though he pilfered from many sources including the cult, Werner was no Elron. Imagine that, even a used car salesman couldn’t sink as low as Hubbs.

      • CraftLass

        I once had a new/potential client who got sucked into that just as we were putting together our deal. Everything had been pretty much sorted out, then suddenly she invited me to a “graduation” event. We were becoming friends as well, so I was more than happy to support whatever she was up to and went. Turned out that it was Landmark Forum (which I had never heard of) and this event mainly consisted of being locked up in a room doing really stupid (to me) exercises with a group of people before the ceremony of “graduates” announcing their “wins”. During a short break after the ceremony, I was talking to some other guests and was shocked that some were calling the experience helpful and were considering signing up for courses. It seemed so obvious to me that this thing had a cult-like quality and their lessons were nothing but poor rip-offs of old philosophies mixed with techniques to send a person into a sort of temporary catharsis. I was very hippie-dippy at the time and open to all sorts of things, but I just saw red flags all over the whole event. No one has ever worked so hard to sell me something, ever.

        When I refused to be subjected to the second round of exercises or to even give them my email, my client gave me the hard sell then decided we shouldn’t work together after all, because it was imperative that the people she worked with were using Landmark. We stayed in touch for a little while and she got really into the whole thing. Every time we talked, she seemed less and less like the dynamic talent that I had wanted to work with. Sad.

        That was the closest experience I ever had to losing someone to a cult, and it was many years ago, but it haunts me as I learn about all kinds of cults and near-cults. I wish I had known more and could have done something to at least give her some solid doubts to chew on. Not sure the guilt will ever fade, even though I also know that I may not have been able to change anything even if well-armed with knowledge.

        • Kelly

          I secretly want to go to a Landmark forum and take bathroom breaks every 20 minutes. I would tell them I have an overactive bladder.

          • CraftLass

            Hahahahahahaha!! <3 Would love to see that!

        • monkeyknickers

          Do not even get me started on Landmark Forum.

          • Kelly

            Chime in, won’t you? I hear they lock the doors.

            • monkeyknickers

              Landmark is Scientology’s little brother, tho I didn’t know that when I had a room-mate start taking “courses” for 10s of thousands of dollars.

              France has had them banned. For good reason . .. . they are evil. And the reincarnation of Werner Erhard’s EST.



            • Kelly

              I really want to torpedo one of their “graduations” by coming and going as I please

            • monkeyknickers

              Word sister. I say we go together. Afterwards we can have a nice dinner. πŸ™‚

      • Chains of Mind

        OH Fuck! Landmark forum! I took the forum (pre-landmark days) at the very young age of 14 after my parents got sucked into it by a relative. Interesting experience I’m still digesting over 20 years later. It’s a very interesting study in mind control . In a matter of 3 days (4 days- two weekends in my case) they break you down and rebuild you as sales zealots. The product they sell is transformation. The transformation is turning you into a salesman for their product.

        The Forum leader establishes himself as the leader right off the bat. He/she makes it clear that if you are to stick around and ‘get’ anything out of the forum, you must do EXACTLY as told. Like, no shit. This is the ONLY way they can guarantee results! DUH! Your agreeing to be brainwashed!

        One of the first exersises is the leader telling you to stand up and sit down over and over again to the point of absurdity. Stand up..Sit down.. Stand up.. Sit down.. After several minutes of this, a fellow stopped complying. ‘What are you doing!’ shouted the leader. The man said ‘exercising my free will’. I thought: ‘nice, the leader will make a fine example out of him. Show us how this man not following the leader was a maverick, a free thinker, an attribute that we might learn though taking the forum…’

        Nope. The leader exploded into an angry rampage, lashing out at the man for not obeying. He was told to ‘get the fuck out’ and sent back to the table seating a few volunteers who kindly talked him into compiling with the rules and staying. How nice of them!

      • Poison Ivy

        I know several colleagues who did a lot of Landmark. “I’m not making you wrong,” was a hallmark of their conversation. I actually found that term somewhat a useful springboard a way to examine my own motives in a conversation. However I would never pay the thousands of dollars these people paid to learn it.

        • Artoo45

          Like I said, there were good things about it, but it was couched in so much jargon and was so inductive that I can’t really recommend anybody do it. I told a friend all about it before he went, the hard sell and all the regging and he still came out high as a kite and a freshly minted zealot for Landmark (it wore off).

    • Robert Eckert

      lbntl;draryr (long but not too long; did read and recommend you read!)

    • WildaBeast

      That is such a clear, wonderfully written and explained statement. I appreciate the time and thought it took you to write it. Especially, thank you for your points about speaking in Scientologese. It can be tempting, I think, for never-ins like me, to regard the…dialect? patois? jargon?…as being almost a parody of itself, or like Orwell’s ideal Newspeak, where you can’t engage in ‘bad’ thoughts because the concepts don’t exist in the language. Scientologese has a twisted brilliance to it, in that it pulls the people who speak it together. Even when Scientologese words do nothing but replace an existing concept in English, the shared use of new words for a familiar concept can be a strong bond among those who share the usage. Many Scientologese words seem to do more than that; they associate concepts together under one term that just aren’t necessarily associated with each other in English, ever. When you start thinking with words that do that, you alter the ways in which you’re thinking and perceiving. It makes perfect, perfect sense that speaking in the terms someone has gotten used to thinking in will get through to them effectively, especially if they’re telling themselves to reject everything that isn’t expressed in those terms. It’s something that never occurred to me and I’m very grateful you pointed it out.

    • Artoo45

      Wow, I just read your “Scientology is Evil” article over at OC. It’s one of the best descriptions of falling under their spell (or anyone else’s) I’ve yet read. Excellent, clear, compassionate and scary.

      • Kelly

        Link please?

    • DodoTheLaser

      Epic post, Michael! Thank you! I thought about it in a similar way, but you articulated it perfectly.

      Ironically, acronym for “Scientology Operating System” is S.O.S.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Thanks DodoTheLaser, “Save Our Souls” can mean something other than “Scientology on a Shingle”

        • Missionary Kid

          Michael, are you still interested in getting together in Portland in two weeks?

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Yes I am. That would be fun. Just let me know so I can arrange transport.

            • Missionary Kid

              To establish contact, email me at skepticalmissionarykid at Gmail dot com.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              You can use my email, It is well known:

    • monkeyknickers

      You’re smart.

    • GlibWog

      Wow..This just hit my heart big time. Thank you Michael..

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        You are welcome. I was in therapy once, for quite a while. One of my realizations was that even after all the crap I endured from my family and from scientology, I can choose not to emulate them; I can be kind. I choose to be kind. I choose to try to help. That is my lesson to myself.

    • cicely neville

      Michael – i found your essay late last night . Excellent, and harrowing. I hope it reaches many.

  • Missionary Kid

    Here are some factors that stand out to me.
    First, Manuela was in a foreign culture. The U.S. and Australia, while both similar in many ways, are also quite different from each other in subtle ways. Because things on the surface seem so alike, it makes the disorientation much less understandable to someone dropped into the middle of it.

    Second, (and this is in no way an attempt to blame Manuela), but Aussies have an open, direct manner that we Americans find charming. Manuela, aside from being an attractive woman, may also have been unaware of subtle signals that she was giving off that wouldn’t not mean anything in Oz, but which were unintentionally misinterpreted by us American male pigs as an opening to be hit on.

    Third, the injury left her with a need to recuperate, and a “touch assist” carries with it a lot of the placebo effect. She needed to rest anyway, and with rest comes recuperation. You can bet that Co$ took the credit for her natural recovery.

    Fourth, being a male, Yannus was probably not as sympathetic as she wished (as a woman would be) about the sexual harassment. Co$ probably exploited this.

    There’s an old saying, “The man wants a blue suit, turn on the blue light.” That applies to Co$ recruitment. Whatever the person they’re trying to recruit, they turn on the “blue light” that whatever your problem is, they’ve got the solution, and it’s “wonderful” love bombing. It’s such a {wonderful} experience that no one checks the internet to see what the downside is.

    • Spackle Motion

      MK, you are rather wise for calling yourself a “kid”.

      I can relate to your fourth point in a big way. I grew up/live in Los Angeles and experienced a considerable amount of sexual harassment in a bad work environment and I also had to take on a bitch persona to deflect unwanted attention when in places like clubs, bars, concerts, etc, which had the effect of making me feel like shit when all I wanted to do was to hang out with my friends and not be harassed. Men don’t usually understand this and most of the men that I complained to were confused why it upset me so much.

      Being in LA makes it worse because people start to make assumptions about you (“she must be an actress, so she’s shallow/easy/can be manipulated”) and I just got very sick of it all. I can really relate to Manuela’s statements about being sexually harassed when she was looking for work. That’s one of the reasons why I left for graduate school that was hundreds of miles away (only to find out that many people from LA also did the same thing). I hated that type of attention and saw it happen in entertainment circles first hand, which eventually completely soured me to that industry.

      But that part of Manuela’s story hit home for me. I’m sure it was much worse for her because she’s now a public figure of sorts. I would bet that Scientologists used that button on her, which can come to a great relief when you keep running into the same disgusting people who all want something from you. It takes wisdom and experience for men to finally figure it out, and many do not which is one reason why many middle aged men prowl for younger women.

      I hope she gets out. I feel really sad for her.

      • Missionary Kid

        The Kid moniker comes from being the kid of missionary parents. I’m 68. I also grew up in L.A., but have lived 100+ miles away (in different locations) for the last 50 years, with brief forays into L.A. to work.

        I don’t hang out in bars any more, but I think the problem with harassment comes from the selection of the bar. I’m male, but I discovered some neighborhood bars (not in L.A.) that a group of women could come into and have a drink and remain unhassled. The key word is local.

        One factor that also enters into the bar scene is that you often have Marvin Milktoast, who usually has the social awareness of Alan Harper fueled by alcohol who all of a sudden thinks he’s suave and irresistible.

        Manuela probably wasn’t prepared for the harassment, and hadn’t learned how to put on the armor that you learned to adopt.

        I hope she gets out, but the cult has to be aware of this blog, and will do more to isolate her. I have little hope for her getting out soon, unfortunately.

        • Poison Ivy

          Such harassment happens to every good looking woman and man in LA who interfaces with a certain level of successful, powerful person (I’m trying not to sound sexist but that harasser is 99.999% male).
          Not all powerful males in Hollywood are harassers. I’d dare to say certainly far less than half of them. This is important to remember. But there are enough of them out there to make it rough on young, ambitious attractive women and men.
          They exist on every level. Even lowly guys with only a little power (say, some sleazy reality show producer who gets to cast talent) can try to throw their weight around to get some free nooky.
          I mentioned above, this has always been the case in Hollywood, and ambitious actresses/singers/dancers are particularly vulnerable because a proposition plays into their need to be considered attractive, desirable and “hot” and can be taken as flattery. Throw that in with a promise of instant gratification career success and the belief (true or untrue ) that “everybody’s doing it” and that is a lot of pressure to do things that may be against your internal value system.
          It’s important to remember that sleeping with someone does not guarantee they will keep a “promise” to help you with your career. In fact, you may gain a short term advantage but lose long term respect permanently, if the news gets out.
          It is always possible to succeed and never give in to this. However, it can take longer. And it seems to me that Manuela was in a place of extreme frustration and maybe even depression.
          Sometimes when I’m feeling beaten down, I feel like “I just need a win to keep me going.” I’m not talking about a Scientology win – I’m talking about, say, a check owed me for six months finally shows up in the mailbox. Or something I produced gets a good review.
          I think Manuela needed a win as a sign she was on the right path, and Scientology manufactured something in order to get her to change her path.

          • Missionary Kid

            Well written, and true.
            The whole Hollywood/drugs connection has always been around, too, and that’s another pitfall for entertainers trying to make it. I include alcohol in the drug category.

            • Poison Ivy

              Yeah. In today’s post Claire Headley writes about “powering through” life’s difficulties using the Scientology “tech.” And she rightly says that “powering through” isn’t necessarily a way to gain wisdom or insight from the experience. Alcohol and drugs are ways to “power through” the really downright awful feelings that striving and getting nowhere can engender. “Takes the edge off,” as they say. Ironically, in my experience I’ve seen so many people who make it too quickly use alcohol and drugs as a way to camoflauge any self-doubt or feelings of not being ready for/prepared for/undeserving of success. The most balanced, happiest people I know in the biz who are really successful now are the ones who took a long time to get there and were able to integrate regular failure into their lives and still keep their self-esteem intact.

            • Missionary Kid

              I would add to that list of balanced, happiest people who have a good family support system, be it parents or spouses.

              Ron Howard seems to be one of those. Tom Hanks, too. I think it has to be tougher for female performers, because so much emphasis is placed on looks.

              Julia Robarts, Sandra Bullock, and Susan Sarandon seem to have well grounded personalities, and I would also include Goldie Hawn, in spite of her acting persona as a ditz.

      • monkeyknickers

        I work (and live) in LA. In one of the most misogynistic industries left in this country, and I have to say this has really never been issue for me.

        And as I was reading your post, I realized it’s because I AM a bitch. I fit right in. πŸ™‚

        But I’ve seen it, even with my own people. I had a producer once who was constantly hitting on the 2nd engineer during some sessions and I wasn’t having ANY of that. Same with another friend that’s just getting started in the industry.

        Honestly tho, I don’t see it as a huge . . . . . problem. I suppose because I’ve made my peace with this little reality. I DO wish I could run some kind of all girl hollywood training camp. It would last only 15 seconds and the single lesson would be:

        Tell them to Fuck. Off.


        I’m not even joking.

        • Robert Eckert

          “Tell them to Fuck. Off.” I am hearing that in the voice of Bob Newhart in the “Stop it!” skit

          • monkeyknickers

            Provide a link brother!

  • Sunny Sands

    Tent watchers’ update. More of the tent roofing is up. It seems to be made of fabric that is rolled up between the roof beams.

    • George Layton

      The weather still giving them hell?

      • Sunny Sands

        Nice weather today. It is prime hurricane season now, keeping careful watch daily at the National Hurricane Center web site

        • George Layton

          Thanks for the updates Sunny.

        • Artoo45

          I don’t want to see the Sunshine State nailed by a nasty hurricane, but maybe a small-but-powerful waterspout could make its way on land and happen across His Eternal Angriness’s (empty) tent, turn it into scrap and beat a quick retreat to Neptune’s deep.

          • Sunny Sands

            Haha, that’s what I was thinking. Something tropical, say around 60 mph. Also, let there be a lightening storm on the meeting nights. Tampa Bay is the lightening capital of the world and people who aren’t used to it find it unpleasant.

            • 1subgenius

              Lightning, I forgot about that and Tampa Bay.

              Beware the curse of “Touchdown Jesus”.


            • monkeyknickers

              This post made my day a whole lot brighter. Thanks, ‘Genius. πŸ™‚

            • 1subgenius

              It’s what I do.

            • monkeyknickers

              Oh GOOD. ! I’ll be counting on you.

              Are you a hitchens fan?

            • 1subgenius

              Should I be?

            • monkeyknickers

              Ummmm . . . . . it all hinges on this I s’pose: are you a religious person?

            • 1subgenius

              Let’s save Tony some bandwidth.

            • monkeyknickers


              Well then my luv. πŸ™‚

              You may or may not appreciate this:


            • CraftLass

              That sent me down a many-hours-deep rabbit hole. I now have a giant list of semi-local attractions that I *must* visit. Thanks! πŸ˜€

              Touchdown Jesus (and His… um… tale) is hilarious! And my partner said you solved a mystery he’d been wondering about for a long time, he’d heard it referenced by football commentators but never knew what it was. lol

            • 1subgenius

              Actually there is another, that is a football reference:

              The stadium is known for its view of “Touchdown Jesus”, a nickname given to the large mural entitled The Word of Life by Millard Sheetsof the resurrected Jesus.[5] Installed in 1964 on the Hesburgh Library, the mosaic wall looms over the stadium, mirroring the raised arms of a referee signifying a touchdown. The expansion of the stadium in the late 1990s partially obscured the view of the mural from the playing field. The Word of Life mural was a gift of Mr. and Mrs. Howard V. Phalin of Winnetka, Illinois.


            • CraftLass

              Ahhh, thanks, just passed that on to him. πŸ™‚

              And can’t stop giggling over the existence of multiple “Touchdown Jesuses”. Priceless!

            • Artoo45

              I live in Northern California, we almost never have electrical storms. I love them!

    • Victoria Pandora

      This shit is the exact opposite of burning man;) That is not really even a tent.

    • Mark

      Blast! The weather’s got better.

  • Madora Pennington

    People who leave the Sea Org and have Scientology critics to go to, are very, very lucky. I’ve seen people leave the Sea Org, and have to swallow all the abuse they took and are just crushed. Years later, they are still not going anywhere in life, totally afraid of the CofS, unable to come to terms with what happened to them because they cannot discuss it.

    The amount of lies people are told to get them to join the SO is truly staggering. The more truth you can get them about what the CofS is doing, the easier it is for them to see that these were lies. I’ve heard so many stories of people who didn’t leave the SO because they had nowhere to go. Manuela is lucky. It’s very hard for people to think when they are under-fed, sleep-deprived, over-worked, and regularly yelled at and lied to. The California prison system spends more per head per meal than the SO, unless you are David Miscavige. His weekly dining expenses are $3,000 – $20,000. That includes feeding his mistress, Lou.

  • Robert Robinson

    Stable datum: If Karin Pouw is talking, she is lying.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03


    When I was on the PAC RPF and having “blow thoughts” during a period on the PAC RPF (2000-2001-2002), believe me, Tony, I wanted to run out and phone one of the journalists working for the Weekly LA papers, and had you been there, and had I gotten my wish, you’d have heard from me years ago!

    It’s the weekly newspaper journalists who in my media reading experience were the ones who had the leeway to get the gory details right.

    In 1975, a Guardian’s Office Phoenix Org staffer (John Mattoon), when I first walked into Scientology, Mattoon had to give me clearance (okay to do services in the “church” at Phoenix) and he asked me pointedly: “Are you a reporter?”

    I said: “Should I be?”

    I knew someday, I just might be helping media like I am these last 10 years!

  • sizzle8

    When I was in and under the spell, anyone trying to tell me how bad it was would have been tuned out.

    The only thing that might have gotten through would have been Hubbard’s own words or talking to someone who had worked with Hubbard or who had the altitude (having been in a senior position) or maybe receiving a session from a well trained indy auditor.

    Those freshly in, who have the endorphins running wild of being in “a group that is going to save the world”, can’t be reached, one-on-one, by telling them something that is 180 degrees of what they are experiencing.

    That doesn’t mean that the facts from the fringe of the internet shouldn’t be spread far and wide!

    • Victoria Pandora

      Yes, I sort of fantasized about how many concise and hard hitting facts they could have presented to her. Coddling is for when you have more time, but there really is enough verifiable and damning information out there, I don’t see how… Oh hell, what am I saying? I totally see how she could justify it, “wogs are just reactive banks lying about the only hope for the planet.” Sheesh.
      I would think the would see the Lugli’s as her peers, they were a good choice.
      This will wear on her. I remember when I was in, and on the sweat programme. A close friend figured out my patterns… he knew I would be out of the building at 7AM, running. He would come everyday and drive alongside me, trying to talk. He tried to give me money, he begged me to go get myself a steak. (On the sweat programme? What an SP! lol.) Guess who I called when I needed help getting out? (His phone number was on the $20.00 bill.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Brilliant! They won’t throw away money. Bills with the note: Toll Free number (and Chuck Beatty’s ex-sea org hotline number) placed in the walking paths and shrubbery where the Sea Org’ers go might be a good vector.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Your friend was truly a good friend. There are really only three things you can do if a loved is deeply entrenched in a cult: give them money for food and personal items, not a lot of money, but enough so they have something to supplement a starvation diet; let them know you are always there, no matter what; and work like hell to expose and destroy the cult from the outside.

      • CraftLass

        That story is exactly the heartwarming, hopeful thing I needed to read right now. Thank you for sharing!

        So, so glad for you that someone cared that much and was so clever in reaching out to you. Brilliant, just brilliant. πŸ™‚

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        What a beautiful story and I am so glad you are out.

      • aquaclara

        Wonderful story, VP! And are you still friends now?

  • Synthia Fagen

    The only kinds of dancing done in the Sea Org is when they tell you to jump and how high. When the dream she worked so hard to achieve does not materialize, maybe then she will wake up.

    Thanks Tony and Brian. What a story.

    Yannus, Mark and the rest of the family, don’t give up – don’t ever give up.

    • 1subgenius

      I’m betting she’s already given up that dream for a “higher purpose”.

  • Scientia

    I’m sorry but I don’t see how a journalist chasing her on the street and sticking a camera in her face is going to help.

    I once had a similar experience to this lady and those involved took a similar stance. No, it didn’t work. It didn’t work because when you have been ensnared, ganged up on and then told you are wrong/brainwashed/ignorant or overwhelmed with horror stories impossible to fathom, the defenses go up and eventually the PTS/SP thought-stoppers kick in.

    Michael Tilse has written an excellent essay on this subject. It is as true today as it was when he wrote it. Anyone thinking of doing something similar to the above please stop and read this.

    • Eivol Ekdal

      I thought that was a bit harsh and unproductive at first. But, If it causes a ‘flap’ or speeds up the ‘honeymoon phase’ that Manuela is having at the moment, then good! I think of it as a form of tough love.

  • Kelly

    What proportion of the high level executives in Scientology are Sea Org?

    • Michael Leonard Tilse


      • Kelly

        So then very few have children, correct? Don’t you have to leave Sea Org if you have a child?

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Yes, very few have children. But some have children who were born before they joined the Sea Org or were born between stints in the Sea Org. Many children of people who were in the Sea Org then join the Sea Org.

          In 1977, when I first was in the S.O., there were lots of “sea org marriages” between sea org members and there was quite a few babies and small children in the L.A. pacific area. They even had a ‘child care org’ for a while. Which was a disaster.

          Around 1980 or so it became that S.O. members having babies would be posted (sent to for a job) at a lower level “Class IV or Class V Org” until their children were of ‘cadet’ age, 10 years or so.

          That then morphed to high level sea org members being pressured to abort their children as well covered by tragic stories from Laura D. and many others. Those who insisted in keeping their children were ‘off-loaded’ or booted out of the S.O. completely.

          With all the publicity about the abortions, they may have stopped that or been less insistent, and just off-loaded the offenders.

          “offenders” because the S.O. is for saving the planet and the universe, not having children. Having children in the S.O. is off-purpose and out-ethics. According to scientology.

          • Kelly

            When young people are recruited to the Sea Org, do they understand that the expectation will be that they never have children?

            I wonder if Manuela ever wants to have kids. It’s such a basic human drive.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              I don’t know what it is like now. I would expect that having children would be subtly devalued and the ‘saving the universe’ and ‘creating a society without war…” emphasized.

            • 1subgenius

              Like the Shakers, a self-defeating policy.

            • coonellie

              True, but at least the Shakers produced some beautifully crafted wood pieces.

            • Semper Phi

              And some lovely hymns.

            • Kelly

              I’ve always thought that lack of education would be the undoing of the Evil Cult. However, now it seems lack of progeny will contribute significantly as well. Amen to that, but I would hope the vulnerable young women in the S.O. don’t wish to have families. That would be heartbreaking if they did.

            • Eclipse-girl

              Perhaps I am wrong, I thought the shakers recruited older people. People who already had children or women past chlld bearing age.

            • 1subgenius

              Membership in the Shakers dwindled in the late 19th century for several reasons: people were attracted to cities and away from the farms; Shaker products could not compete with mass-produced products that became available at a much lower cost; and Shakers could not have children, so adoption was a major source of new members.


            • Semper Phi

              When I was on my auditing internship at Flag a few years ago, I audited some young SO members. At least one of them told me that she still hoped to have children, someday, somehow… I think I was pulling it as a withhold in session. So sad.

            • Kelly

              Very sad. If a lot of these young women are sucked in to the Sea Org in their early twenties, then they are being manipulated to avoid having children during the healthiest time to get pregnant.

              Similarly, Manuela is being kept away from her dancing/choreography at the worst possible time. It’s unlikely she can recover from such a brutally timed absence. Scientology probably ruined her career- willfully.

            • Semper Phi

              The girl I was auditing was a teenager. Let me tell you, auditing those kids gave me the iron-clad determination that I would never let my own child join the SO until he was 18 and out of high school. Fortunately, I blew before the sharks started circling.

            • Kelly

              I’m surprised they let SCN kids go to wog high school, let alone graduate! That seems like a sure way to loose fresh meat bodies – education.

            • Semper Phi

              My kid was in a Scilon school until it closed after his 5th grade year, and then he went to public school. (That was when we discovered how truly awful an education he had been getting, even with Study Tech. Or perhaps because of it… Anyway, that’s a story for another day.) Most clams seem to want to have their kids in clam schools, but they aren’t forbidden from sending them to public if there’s no alternative. Of course, the “dream” school is Delphi Academy in Oregon, which is basically a prep school for the SO or Class V staff.

            • N. Graham

              I know you don’t want to go into it in any great detail, but can you give a general idea what it was like for your kids going to public school from clam school? I apologize if it’s a sore subject.

            • Semper Phi

              I don’t mind talking about it, it’s just off topic for today’s conversation. However, I will say that at my son’s school, which was very small, almost every child was reading and doing math below their grade level, some of them several years behind. My son could not attend a private school that wanted to offer him a FULL scholarship, because he was so far behind that he didn’t meet their academic requirements. The state has curricular requirements that the school just didn’t teach. Also, Scilon schools don’t give homework, and kids move “at their own pace” on checksheets, so there is no emphasis on study discipline beyond making sure they don’t go past misunderstood words or lack of mass. My son still doesn’t “get” the purpose of homework and has struggled because he simply didn’t do his assignments. And I would say another key problem is that there is only an emphasis on each kid getting through checksheets (by Thursday at 2pm, naturally) and no attention given to academic curiosity or critical thinking skills. The fact that we sent our child to such a substandard school, having convinced ourselves that it was somehow better than the public schools, is one of the most damaging things from our time in Scientology.

            • aquaclara

              I am sorry that you, and so many others, don’t learn this until it is pretty late for your kids. What a shame…..

              At least you were able to get him into school at that point…..

            • N. Graham

              Thanks, I hope they are catching up now. How are math and science presented? Do they have textbooks for those subjects?

            • Semper Phi

              Fortunately, my son has caught up well, especially after a semester of math tutoring, and has done some time on his school’s honor roll. Some of the kids, however, moved on to a “home school” formed by one of the defunct school’s course supervisors, and they are continuing with the Applied Scholastics curricula. I supervised one of the girls when I was still on staff at the org, and she definitely seemed to be behind her grade level. Some of the other kids from that group have joined staff at the org, so basically I foresee them aspiring only to GEDs and SO contracts.

              As for the textbooks, my son tells me that they didn’t use books. The subject matter they were studying was contained on their checksheets. At another Scilon school he attended earlier, he said they had rudimentary texts, but then he left that school after 3rd grade, so they wouldn’t have had anything too complicated. Don’t know how things were for the older students at that school.

            • N. Graham

              Incredible. Glad you got them out of there! I’ll bet it wasn’t cheap either.

            • 1subgenius

              He lost his humanity long ago.

          • L. C. Spencer

            Michael, thanks to you and other veterans who continue to tell their stories here. So many of Tony’s readers are newcomers or wogs like myself (ex-cult, but not ex-Scien) who may or may not have a good full picture of the cult, or a frame of reference for what goes on.

            I know what it’s like to be brainwashed and to have to escape under duress and reclaim one’s life, and I’ve spent years studying about Scientology exactly because of this, and I feel I have a special interest in visiting the Bunker and other sites, but for those who are here simply because they’re intelligent and compassionate, it may be hard even to envision the crazy destructiveness that goes down. It must be hard even to imagine.

            I can’t tell you how much I respect those of you escapees who speak out. It takes tremendous courage and strength, which the cult had tried to take away from you. If you ever think you’re not making a difference, trust all of us here: YOU ARE.

  • Madora Pennington

    I know nothing about deprogramming, except that I read on Wikipedia that the first step is showing the victim what the group is really up to. Here’s what I would do (1) Feed the person a good meal, with fat, protein and produce, and yes, some Vit B and C (2) Let them take a nap if at all possible (3) having a lot of strangers there could be very humiliating, make this all about what the CofS is doing, and nothing to humiliate the victim at having been duped (4) show them the Truth Rundown from the St Pete Times (5) have a reel of YouTube videos ready that expose what the CofS is really up to, how they lie to the parishioners, what Narconon does, how Miscavige really lives, what is really done with donations.

    The victim is not an alcoholic who needs to be guided to admit that alcohol has made it impossible for them to run their life, they’ve only been fooled, and very cleverly, as have many intelligent and good people. I had one person tell me gently to “be careful” in Scientology. I was like, “Huh?” I had no idea what they were talking about. They should have just said, “You don’t know what these people are up to, just read the Time Magazine article and see what you think then, and here’s how the CofS sued time for revenege.” Yes, I would have read it. This was before the internet, when information was hard to get. OSA had destroyed ant-Scientology library books.

    You can’t underestimate how difficult it is to think clearly when one is malnourished and sleep-deprived.

    • BananaSplits8

      Girl had an hour.

      I’m not discrediting your point, just saying that much needed time was lmited in this particular situation.

    • 1subgenius

      The good meal idea is a total win, and so obvious.

  • J. Swift

    In purely physical terms, the Church of Scientology is composed of an extensive series of buildings requiring a captive “Slave Janitor Service” to maintain and operate. This “Slave Janitor Service” service is called the Sea Org. Virtually all of the jobs in the Sea Org are janitorial or cleaning jobs of some type.

    To feed and house this Slave Janitor Service, there exists a series of overcrowded stinking prisons and some cooks who feed them the cheapest possible food. Scientology’s overcrowded stinking prisons are called “Sea Org berthing.”

    Flag Land Base and Celebrity Centre Int’l are nothing more than hotels requiring a Slave Janitor Service + hotel and restaurant workers. L. Ron Hubbard liked the idea of a Flag Land Base so he could double-dip from parishioners by charging for both auditing and hospitality services. This is no different than Las Vegas casinos that operate hotels to make additional money on hospitality.

    Flag Land Base, CC, and the Ideal Orgs are nothing more than “rigged spiritual casinos” run by Scientology Cult crime bosses who use slave labor. The “wins” that happen in session can be invalidated by Church crime bosses in such a way that one must spend more money for repairs, clean ups, etc.

    In the Church of Scientology, no one is ever actually Clear or OT. Those states are purely fictional spiritual statuses granted in exchange for money. The buildings, auditing, and Sea Org slave labor offer Cult parishioners the apparency that actual “spiritual gain” is happening.

    However, if actual spiritual gain were being made then parishioners would refuse to do any Scientology services whatsoever when those services are based upon the human suffering, slave labor, and utter inhumanity of the Sea Org. This is why I have always viewed Scientology publics as self-absorbed hypocritical Cultists: They are willing to audit over human suffering and turn a blind eye to the inhumanity of Sea Org.

    If Scientology publics wanted to truly improve conditions, they would begin by cleaning up their own Church. They would demand a living wage and humane conditions for Sea Org and an end to Disconnection and Fair Game.

    IMO, Scientology publics pull in their own financial ruin — and utterly deserve it — because they empower the cruelty and inhumanity of Sea Org. In Scientology terms, Scientology publics have crimes against the Sea Org. Their crimes are to receive any services in the Church at the cost of the suffering and misery of the Sea Org.

    Here is a 2006 Sea Org ad that shows what “Sea Org” really wants: Slave Labor for its buildings and hotels.

    • Kelly

      But they get all their executives from the Seo Org too, I thought?

      • J. Swift

        Except for David Miscavige, everyone is a slave in the Sea Org.

        Therefore, a Sea Org executive, or “Cult Crime Boss” is a person willing and fully able to invalidate the spiritual status of any public Scientology in order to make more money or to punish that person.

        SO execs do this in order to save their own skins.

    • J. Swift

      Scientologist and Nation of Islam leader Minister Louis Farrakhan has spoken out for decades about the brutal slavery that Black people have endured for four hundred years at the hands of white people in America.

      And yet what does Minister Farrakhan do?

      He receives auditing from Sea Org slaves and then orders the entire Nation of Islam to enter into the Slavery Culture that is the Church of Scientology.

      The Scientology experience is so aberrative and cultic that Minister Farrakhan has become blind to his own condition.

      I would welcome the opportunity to publicly debate Minister Farrakhan on these matters.

      • Kelly

        Farrakhan also knows LRH was a notorious racist, and defends him.

        • J. Swift

          Where is the Promised Land?

          It sure as Hell is not in the Church of Scientology!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            So I been told….

        • marti

          Money talks.

      • 1subgenius

        Tried to picket Farrakhan’s last appearance in Detroit. Couldn’t get near the place for the mobs of people (Obviously he’s doing better than DM). And I didn’t feel very secure.
        Here’s what I had with me.

      • Sunny Sands

        The irony of this is that the very location of Flag 10 years prior to Hubbard’s arrival was a segregated society. Separate bathrooms, schools, sections of the public bus, the works. Scientology and NOI are trying to cancel the civil rights movement.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          But be honest. 10 Years before…almost everything was segregated?
          Not saying It was right. Saying it WAS at that time?????

          • Sunny Sands


    • aquaclara

      And they capture three phone numbers, an email address plus a physical residence. This isn’t even the application.

      This is from just a few short years ago….yet it reminds me of those mail back cards we saw in the 1970’s, where you noted your “career” choices….

      Ok, and while on the topic, is carpet specialist someone who runs the steam cleaner???

    • L. C. Spencer

      I wish I could give this as many upvotes as there are years in a Sea Org contract.

  • N. Graham

    There are lots of ex-SO here in the Bunker on the fringes of the Internet. After reading today’s story I am wondering-what suddenly made the people who got out after years and decades see the light? What was the final Tipping Point to finally say “enough of this bullshit!”?

    • Anon!

      Depends on the individual, one former SO I know quite well, was in PAC Renos and started… drumroll, please… thinking! In a phrase: cognitive dissonance. For my friend, the following is an example… While working on various assignments and what that may entail, the understanding I have been given is that it’s difficult to see how you could “pull it in” that thing you just fixed isn’t functioning correctly. For instance, if you are to hang a door and don”t have: a level, shims, etc. What one INTENDS the outcome to be and if that really functions correctly are not the same thing. I hope this helps.

      • aegerprimo

        Cognitive dissonance… yes. Then some of us continue with Scn after leaving the SO.

        • Anon!

          My friend did NOT continue with $cn and has received their goldenrod, proudly displayed in their home.

      • N. Graham

        Yes, thanks!

        • Anon!

          You’re welcome and I wish you the best in everything.

  • Robert Eckert

    I can almost see how this could have worked with me. Hollywood is a magnet for dreamers, and crushes most of the dreams. Only a few can make it big, and there are X times that many (where X is a number that is larger than you think) who are all convinced, at first anyhow, that they are destined to be among those few. She was surely the best choreographer the producers in Malaysia had seen; now she is one of many competing for a handful of slots. I am working on a screenplay– I know that I am a good writer, but, I am not young anymore, and while I remember that certainty I felt when I was young that I was going to set the world on fire, I did not get those early “wins” that would have fixated that certainty. I know perfectly well I have little chance of getting read by anyone who matters: they will say politely or rudely “No I will not read your fucking script” (title of a great rant linked to from here a while back) because there are thousands like me pestering them. What if I had written a script I was sure was great when I was younger, and had gone to LA? Well, there are people who will tell you that for a substantial fee they will give you a professional review; and those who will tell you that if you take an unpaid internship working hard for their company you will get great contacts; and suchlike scams. Once I had been burned like that a few times, and was pretty much out of money and hope, then somebody would find me on a day that my depression was kicking in, and…

    • Spackle Motion

      Word of advice to you Robert.

      Everyone and their mother, brothers, sisters, father, gardeners, maids, chauffeurs, grocery bag boys, car wash employees, etc have a screenplay out here. Getting a screenplay into the right hands is near impossible and the essay, “No I will not read your fucking script” spells it out exactly why no one wants to read anyone else’s script.

      I’ll give you some advice that the late Michael Crichton once gave a close relative of mine, who is a professional writer but wanted to write scripts. He said that the best way to get your story on the screen is to write a book, and mystery novels are the best means to that end. I think Crichton knew a thing or two about this, so I would probably go this route if I ever wanted to write for the screen.

      Oh, and Crichton also told my relative that he hated dinosaurs. Fun fact.

      • Robert Eckert

        I know. I have a buddy who directed a small film that will be released to the festival circuit this month or next, and hopes to build on the cred; he wants to base a film on some of my youthful adventures, a story that I just cannot write myself but he pumps me about it and is perhaps persistent to get somebody to do a treatment. So I wanted to try my hand at scripting again, but although I wrote a couple small-scale scripts years ago, one of which got partly used by a small film-maker, I just couldn’t help myself and wrote a cast-of-thousands big-budget type script that no-one will ever look at in a million years.

        • aquaclara

          Good luck! Sounds like there are some stories in you that are ready to come out!!!

          • Robert Eckert

            Yeah, I got the blockbuster script out of my system (well not really, but the synopsis is complete and I can tinker with the full treatment whenever I am in that mood again; I can see the movie in my mind’s eye, and that’s the real point anyway). So maybe now I can write some quirky little thing that friends of friends can make for a few thousand bucks, and make enough money on it to almost pay the few thousand bucks back, and amuse a few people along the way.

          • Robert Eckert

            OK, you only live once. I put the outline (one page) and synopsis (12 pages) in one big post (the full ~100-page thing doesn’t exist yet and may never be done) at
            for anyone who is interested. It is called “The Year of Five Emperors” set in Rome, 193 AD (yes, it’s one of those; too bad Cecil B. deMille is dead).

            • Nevermore

              My fave kind of film!

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        I loved that man, Crichton!
        His travels book was my favorite.
        Oh, and Air Frame wasn’t bad either……….
        Ah geez. I miss him.


    “She was dressed in her Sea Org outfit, with a blue polo shirt and navy
    pants, and a drab grey jacket. It was hard to reconcile her with the
    glamorous dancer we’d seen in videos. She looked more like she was going
    to be pumping gas.”

    What a nightmare. I knew that the crime syndicate still dressed up its marks in toy sailor outfits, but I didn’t know they did that to their victims so early, I thought they waited to swindle 4, 5 years worth of money out of the marks before dressing them up. How ugly. πŸ™


    Tony: “Ausralia” ? πŸ™‚ You typeo as well as I spell. πŸ™‚


    “..Iliana says one older woman fell and broke a knee during the hard work.”

    Guess who pays for the medical bills that the crime syndicate refuses to provide medical coverage for. (That would be you, me, the rest of us.)

    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      I am curious whether she was offloaded; it takes awhile to recuperate enough from a broken knee to scrub toilets, and it would be costly to keep feeding her.

      • USA MRIID

        I saw an old man get off loaded, he was in his 60s and had no money and could not do physical labor any more, he was doing something freakish outside when Keith Henson was protesting on the sidewalk. The old man was walking around literally talking to the outdoor walls of the business office, the he climbed up in to the Dumpster trash container in the syndicate’s parking lot and stood on the trash and just stood there, lost in what we called the “Scieno Stare.”

        Depending upon the age of the woman who broke her knee, if she was judged to be incapable of any further work, she was dropped off at the hospital and when she was released they would have informed her not to return.

        • phronsie

          Oh God, that is horrible.

        • aquaclara

          This is just appalling. Nothing about this cult is good for people of any age, but when you have no other options….wow. So sad.

        • Free Minds, Free Hearts

          OMG that is so sick and truly evil.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          Speaking of which……….Does anyone know current status on Damian Kevitt?

          • Semper Phi

            Yes, if anyone knows please let us know. I’ve been thinking about him quite a bit recently. I knew him at Flag. Such a nice guy and such an awful accident.

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          Miscavige may have a problem when the health insurance provisions of the Affordable Care Act go into effect in January 2014.

          • Ruby

            The only thing here is…as I mentioned yesterday…the “contracts” are worded such that a person is not an “employee”, but more an agreed volunteer. They do get minimum wage and have the other privileges of “an employee”. How does the Affordable Care Act affect this?

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              The contracts really don’t matter that much, what matters is whether the people are treated as employees, and there are various tests federal and state governments use. Church employers are covered by the Act. Based on how it has acted towards its “volunteers,” I imagine the church is spending bundles of money on figuring out how to avoid being covered.

            • Ruby

              Thank you…good to know. I, for one, would be more than willing to provide information as to the amount of work and time expected of these contracted “volunteers”. I did it for many years!

            • Robert Eckert

              Most of them do not get anything close to minimum wage.

            • Ruby

              oops…yes…that was a typo. I should know…I spent 23 years earning …next to nothing! I fixed it…thank you!

  • Deeana

    Oh, heck. I was hoping the story would be that Tommy Davis was going public about having quit the $ci cult! He was always one of my favorites, especially when he was losing his cool. Which you could see him trying SO hard not to do!
    Does anyone know whether Tommy is actually out or is he in “The Hole”?

    • Robert Eckert

      He’s not in the Hole, and he hasn’t left the cult. He is living in Austin with his wife, hooked up to some real-estate firm that doubtless is run by other Scilons. He is trying to be called “Thomas” Davis now, but he will always be “Tommy” to us.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Tommy on a good day.
        Other names on a bad day!

    • Eclipse-girl

      According to previous posts, Tommy and his second wife are in Austin, TX keeping quiet about their $cientology connections. It is assumed that Tommy’s Father ( a never in) got him a job that in (I think) money mangement / investment. I believe he now uses THOMAS as opposed to Tommy


    Manuela’s career is dead. She certainly must suspect that truth somewhere inside. Her career died the second she was lured in to buying frauds from the Scientology crime syndicate.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      I think she got badly burned out and was vulnerable to their BS. The only way she will stay in the cult is if she is dancing. So, if they assign her to cleaning toilets or anything not related to her dancing, I think she will leave. How ironic it would be if Katie Holmes’ Dizzy Feet organization offered her a dancing gig…..

      • Kelly

        That would be poetic justice. Wouldn’t it, Mr. Cruise?


    “He kill them wi’ their love.” — The Green Mile, John Coffee. These filthy Scientology criminals rook and swindle people by preying upon their desire to help others. Scientology as an organized crime syndicate is utterly ruthless, the equal to the Gambino and more traditional organized crime syndicates of the past and the present.

  • jeff

    Forgive me if all of you have seen this already (I’m kinda new around here), but this is a great predecessor to the Master. Although less well-acted, this much more closely follows the history of Scientology despite its altered chronology. Definitely worth a look, though:

    • Sidney18511

      Jeff, what is the name of this movie? I’m on an iPad and I am going to have to search for it. Thanx.

      • jeff

        The Profit (2001)

      • Robert Eckert

        The story of the first “clear” who couldn’t remember the color of L. Ron’s tie while demonstrating “perfect recall” is shown with a close adherence to the accounts of the actual event.

        • marti

          Yes. What a feral piece of clap LRH was. HRRrrmmph.
          “What color is my tie?”
          “Why, it has a yellow stain down the middle now don’t it?”

      • jeff

        I thought I replied already, but it is The Profit (2001)….I guess I really don’t understand Disqus.

      • L. C. Spencer

        That movie is called The Profit, a pun on “The Prophet” of course πŸ™‚ It really managed to do a lot on a very low budget. Many of those involved are ex-Scientologists who have risked a lot to show the cult for what it is. Here’s some background on the movie:

    • Jo

      This movie is in the top 10 worldwide banned movies, check it out on Wikipedia. Scientology got it banned. It’s not a bad movie, story is very close to any books you will read about LRH.

  • Karen de la Carriere

    Manuela will be gone in less than 3 years. Solid prediction. We were all determined and steadfast at one time Everyone has a threshold and tolerance level. The abuse, sleep deprivation, confiscation of all privileges and raids of your sleeping area by security “looking for contraband” increasingly reminds one of a prison environment………..There is an intense self-destruction inside the Sea org. This is not a scenario a dedicated and talented dancer can sustain year in and year out.

    High fives to Tony and Bryan Seymour
    β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜… FIVE STARS β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…β˜…
    ✩ β™₯ ❀ β™« ☺ ❀ β™₯ β™ͺ ☼ β™ͺ ☼ β™₯β™₯ !! β˜ͺ βœΏβ™žβ˜­β˜‚ βœˆβ˜ƒ
    β™₯β™₯ ✩ β™₯ ❀ β™« ☺ ❀. β™₯ β™ͺ ☼ β™ͺ ☼ !!

    Karin Pouw spouts Church of Scientology misconduct
    You are well aware that you attempted to stalk and harass a member of the Church and are publishing untruths about her.


    The entity that *STALKS* is the “Church” of Scientology, sending PIs, “journalists” and even dirtier PIs to stalk the neighborhood one livesin. Master Stalkers. The recently passed Jim Lynch came to my door 3x on a program run by OSA INT Intelligence, execution arm of David Miscavige. Publishing untruths is a Scientology trademark, witness the fantasy they publish in their hate pages.

    Karin Pouw is talking about her “Church”.

    • Tory Christman

      Yannus and to all who tried to help this woman, I’m So Sorry she is still under their spell. Please DO keep in mind it IS a “Spell” of mind control, peer pressure, and flat out BS and ALL of that eventually breaks down. My love to all! Thank you to Tony O and yes, to Bryan Seymour once again and the Today/Tonight Show! PEACE πŸ™‚

    • aquaclara

      Karen, you have managed to maintain your lovely, confident, warm and encouraging self, despite the crap the cult continues to dish out. Good for you! Thanks for sharing the truth far and wide.

      • Karen de la Carriere

        Thank you Aquaclara.
        It is shocking to me that virgin 20 year olds can be lured in and that they did not even
        think to Google “Scientology” before signing up for a *billion* years…..

    • Ruby

      I can’t believe I have not heard “deja poo” and it’s meaning before…but, this is so right on!! This IS what the cult is about on all their “new releases” and sales fronts.
      Love you, Karen!

      • Karen de la Carriere


  • aboutandout

    Here is my response to Powness….and I love being on the “fringes of the internet”

  • Kelly

    Since Manuela has no family in Scientology, would a strategy to save her be getting her kicked out? Wouldn’t that be fairly easy to do? Perhaps even deported. Better than a ruined life. Who has her green card anyway?

  • Jeb Burton

    Living here in Clearwater, I see hundreds of people everyday like Manuela. Im sure a high percentage of their families have tried some sort of intervention. It never seems to work. Most of the stories I hear of people leaving the cult have had something horrific happen to them, or they would of never left, and even then they still believe in the philosophies of LRH. I have never heard a story of an ex-scion leaving because of an intervention. Most of the people who leave just seem to get fed up with all the bullshit.

    • Ruby

      yes…it’s true that most leave on their own, being fed up with the BS…however, I am aware of 2 people who have left because of an intervention. So, altho the story did not end as we all wanted, with Manuela leaving right then and there…I am certain that what happened that day did make an impression on her and it will stick with her every time she see something that does not add up. The truth that those caring people gave her will hit her in the face every time the BS hits…and, sooner rather than later, she will leave.

  • marti

    What I am finding interesting is..Let’s see.. would, perhaps, an agent of Jlo might not have been sent to entice Manuela Oliveira into the esotericaness of the Sea Org? Just wondering. Nothing concrete. But…
    Whom to trust.. Hmmm.

    • TonyOrtega

      Jennifer Lopez is not a Scientologist, though her father is a longtime member.

      • marti

        I am aware of that. I’ll remove the comment. But who do you trust?

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Ok, Fringes of the internet was funny…but now it is just getting tired.
    Can’t Davey (I mean Karin)…come up with a new line?
    He (I mean she) is SOOOO boring me.
    Somebody please pass the new schtick!

    • marti


      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Not really Interesting. Margaret Cho does much better Drag than Davey!!!
        And she is funnier!

        • marti

          What in heavens name does that have anything to do with anything?

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Um nothing. Did you just fall off the BTN Derail turnip truck?

            • marti

              Good lord!
              Edit: Geez. You forgot to use the F word. Talk about Margaret Cho.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I got no lords or gods.
              I do have favorite eateries?
              Want to know the deets?

            • coonellie

              I got a Lord and a God and some favorite eateries…but they require plane trips and that just isn’t in the stars these days :(. Where are yours? (Besides, after all this time in the Bunker I know the food you like and I tend to salivate when you talk about what you want to eat…not what you allow yourself to eat ;).

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I had Japanese food tonight with Mr. Nuts and L. Wrong Hubturd!
              It was great…and I have enough leftovers for LUNCH!
              just sayin…………..

            • coonellie

              My next culinary experimentation will be making my own sushi and sashimi. I’ve got the rice, the bamboo mats for rolling, the dried seaweed and lots and lots of wasabi. Now, if I could just convince Mr. C that he actually wants to do it for me…

              I had homemake Mexican food over the weekend and it was DELICIOUS! Taco?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Just make sure you put the sugar in the rice. That makes All the difference.

            • coonellie

              Oh, I read that somewhere, thanks for reminding me! Does it have to be white, refined sugar or can it be something vegan? I’m hoping that Baby C will eat what I make, but she won’t if it has white sugar.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              You need to use short grain white rice or (sushi rice). Long grain is a FAIL.
              use the sugar, follow the recipe and only buy first class sushi grade fish!

            • coonellie

              Thanks! I bought sushi rice and white rice vinegar. I’ll need to buy sugar. I’m saving the fish for when I feel comfortable with rolling the rice. Here’s hoping it works :).

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              it will be great. Ok, it will kinda fall apart the first time because you won’t be “Rough Enough”…but You will catch on…

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I a soooooooooooooooooooooo predictable!!!!

            • coonellie

              But, with a lovely flair of colorful crazy that makes you almost irresistible!

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yeah, Cray, Cray is a given….but I am OK with that πŸ™‚

            • coonellie

              Well, if you need another day job, stand-up comic seems a great fit. I think Cray, cray is a prerequisite, along with salty language, a plethora of useful and useless knowledge and an eye for the totally absurd. I’d say you’ve got it nailed!

              (And, I better sign off as tomorrow is first day of school around these parts…sigh…I’m wishing for a longer summer).

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              have fun…I am 3 oz from bed too!

            • ThetaBara

              Psst! The easiest sushi to make is onigiri!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Woowoo! Home safe and sound. Great to see the pair of Nuts together!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              2 nuts for the price of one!

              Doublenut gum?



            • KJP in Portland

              Mr. Nuts = lucky guy πŸ™‚

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              But I still want Tacos!!!!

            • coonellie

              Hah! See my response below! Now, how did I know that? ;>

            • marti

              What the heck is a deet?

            • Kelly

              I speak jive. She means details.

            • Phil McKraken

              I was thinking bug spray.

            • marti

              OK Mrs. Billingsly.
              I love June Cleaver.
              (She never said the F word.)

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              I didn’t forget. I was being nice.
              But Fuck that!

            • marti

              D-MN. quit making me laugh!!

            • marti

              Gotta go. Tell you what. This post upset me this morning. I guess too much.
              How does Mr. Ortega do this everyday?
              My deepest regards T.O.

            • marti

              Espiando called me a “Stupid Cow” the other night with his silly rants. Toxic much Espiando?

              Krew13 in one of his remarks early today mentioned,”Miscmidget is an evil fucking cunt and I hope that megalomaniacal sack of shit stained vomit gets what he deserves.

              “evil fucking cunt”. hrmph. Misogyny much? Men don’t have “cunts.”

              So much for saving Manuela. Get real little Daveys.

              And you womyn put up with this? Really?.
              Where am I going with this? You tell me.
              See you in the morning.
              I’m sure I’ll still be “welcome”

            • Eclipse-girl

              I realize that Krew13’s comments were distasteful, but I thought from other comments that Krew13 was female.

            • marti

              That does not make it right.

            • Eclipse-girl

              No it doesn’t. I think Krew13 is just looking for the most offensive word the person can think of without necessarily thinking of the ramifications. the C word should not be used and maybe we can educate people that it offensive to women

            • Kelly

              You really have to take a contrarian approach to espiando. Be afraid if you like what he says.

            • marti

              Geez. Afraid of him? I feel sorry for him.
              I’m 62. Not afraid of anything.
              Just tired of no manners.

            • Robert Eckert

              Please slow down and try to understand what people are saying to you. Nobody asked you to be “afraid of him”. Nobody, least of all him, cares whether you are “sorry for him” either.

            • marti

              “Nobody, least of all him, cares whether you are “sorry for him” either.”

              Do you speak for everyone here Mr. Eckert?

            • Robert Eckert

              I have not seen a single person here solicit your personal opinions about other posters.

            • marti

              Nor have I seen a single person here solicit for you to speak for them on their behalf re: my feeling “sorry for him.”

            • Robert Eckert

              Just looking for someone to fight with? I am tired of you now.

            • marti

              “Just looking for someone to fight with? I am tired of you now.

              No. I was not looking for someone to fight with Mr. Eckert.
              You are the one who popped in.

              Shades of LRH you are. Blaming it on someone else.

            • Robert Eckert

              You began a stupid fight with Espy. When Espy was tired of you you started popping off at others. I popped in to explain to you that one of your attacks was based on a misunderstanding and you decided to start attacking me.

              Look: if you don’t like the f-word, then don’t use it. Simple enough? If you want to dictate to other people that they may not use the f-word, then fuck you and the horse you rode in on. You are not the owner of the place, nor the police.

            • marti

              “Look: if you don’t like the f-word, then don’t use it. Simple enough? If you want to dictate to other people that they may not use the f-word, then fuck you and the horse you rode in on. You are not the owner of the place, nor the police.”

              “then fuck you and the horse you rode in on”

              Really Mr. Eckert?!

              And I’ve never used the f word. It is simple. And you sir, “are not the owner of the place, nor the police.”

            • Robert Eckert

              “And I’ve never used the f word” So what do you care if somebody else does?

              “And you sir, “are not the owner of the place, nor the police.” ” I’m the institutional memory here. I have been on Tony’s blog nearly every day for over two years, through a lot of changes. A handful (tetloj, SPOnage, djj) have been with Tony longer, but off and on. I sometimes explain to noobs how things work here when they are unsure, as I explained to you that this is not the kind of place where people appreciate you slamming others for using ruder language than you like. You are the first noob to get all irate about it.

            • marti

              “I’m the institutional memory here. I have been on Tony’s blog nearly every day for over two years, through a lot of changes. A handful (tetloj, SPOnage, djj) have been with Tony longer, but off and on.”

              Well, I’m happy for you.

            • Mooser

              “I’m the institutional memory here.”

              Gosh, don’t wee know somebody else who always set themselves up as the arbiter? Now, what were that person’s initials? I know it started with an “L”…

            • marti

              “I popped in to explain to you that one of your attacks was based on a misunderstanding and you decided to start attacking me.”

              “and you decided to start attacking me.”

              Oh my gosh. I did not start attacking you.
              I didn’t start a fight with Espiando. He was quite disrespectful of Zero.
              You are saying I started a fight with espiando and that I started attacking you.
              That is so not true. You just keep turning everything around Mr.Eckert.
              Now I know your true nature.

            • Robert Eckert

              “You are saying I started a fight with espiando and that I started attacking you” You dredged up an argument you had with Espiando days ago in order to criticize him some more while he isn’t here to answer, as part of a rapid-fire series of posts on how you don’t like other posters’ styles. You were advised to take a “contrarian” view of Espiando and “only become afraid if you start to like his style”: you completely misunderstood that, boasting that “you were not afraid of him”. I gently corrected your misunderstanding, advising you to slow down and figure out what people are saying to you. You misunderstood that in turn, demanding to know if I was trying to “control” you. You then spend hours telling me what a bad person I am for explaining to you that in the culture of this board, no-one really likes a poster who can’t post about anything except how much you dislike other posters.

            • marti

              mr, Eckert. I see what you are doing.
              Never defend. Always attack.

            • KJP in Portland

              Kick his butt, Bob!

            • Robert Eckert

              Somehow I thought Marti was a “she”. Anyway, marti finally seems to be tired of it also.

            • marti

              “Please slow down and try to understand what people are saying to you.”
              Mr. Eckert, Are you trying to control something here sir?

              Nobody, least of all him, cares whether you are “sorry for him” either.

              So you speak for everyone here?

            • Robert Eckert

              “Mr. Eckert, Are you trying to control something here sir?” No, I was trying to EXPLAIN something to you. You misread a sentence telling you that you should be afraid for yourself if you start enjoying Espy’s way of talking, as telling you to be afraid of Espy. That was such a gross misunderstanding that I advised to start paying more attention to what people are saying before you shout back at them. You then grossly misunderstand what I was saying, so I repeat: please slow down and try to understand what people are saying to you.

            • marti

              “before you shout back at them”

              When was I shouting at somebody Mr. Eckhart? Indicate where I was shouting at someone please.

            • Robert Eckert

              Every post of yours for hours has been attacking someone. I don’t care what game you want to play.

            • marti

              “Every post of yours for hours has been attacking someone”

              You exaggerate sir.

            • Robert Eckert

              Oh? Point out a recent post of yours without some dig at someone or other.

            • Nevermore

              ‘Womyn’? Can’t speak for the others, but I’m a woman.

            • Ruby

              I think I have a girl crush. πŸ™‚

    • Unex Skcus

      Note that the domain “” appears to be available

  • media_lush

    Well, it’s been an incredibly aggravating day in the world of scion watchers. The genuine cognisance it gave me was to re-double my efforts to destroy this vicious cult. I like to think I do my bit and I know the regulars feel the same [meaning ‘their’ bit] and I think we’ve all developed a complacency that the the cult’s demise was a given and it’s ability to destroy new meat was pretty much impossible…. but wow!… this story is an eye-opener that there’s still a lot more to go.

    Whereas before I just disliked the scion celebs I now am starting to actively hate them.

    Whereas before I kind of ignored the drug rehab stories as I’m from the UK I am now going to actively look into what they’re doing over here.

    Whereas before I I would look at the numerous petitions against the cult in it’s hybrid forms and sign a few, now I will sign them all.

    Whereas before I considered emailing a few people in the public eye who seemed naive and unfortunate scientology spokesmen/women I will change “consider” to “shall”.

    I promise to do this with all my abilities and I promise to add the maximum lulz where I can!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      it does make you want to sigh and take a lil nap….

    • Kelly

      I even did a shoop and the story is so serious, I will save it.

    • Kelly

      Oh, yes, and thanks John Travolta for all your pseudo concern about “artists” in your recent speech. Why don’t you speak up for this dancer/choreographer whose dreams have been dashed, so she can clean your toilet at the Celebrity Centre! Great advocacy, JT, and same to you Tom Cruise! Fuck off, both of you

    • media_lush

      just a quick thing I did….

    • Cheryl

      Me too, we aren’t getting enough info over here.

    • KJP in Portland

      Lusher…We WILL see it gone in our lifetimes!!!

  • zoxim

    I see this cult (and others) as a kind of group psychosis. If you’ve ever tried to talk a schizophrenic person out of their delusions you know it’s like banging your head against the wall. It’s pretty much impossible to try to reason with them. The only way to make any headway is to take the person out of the situation they are presently in (in this case the group dynamic of scientology) for an extended period of time, certainly more than a few hours, and present an alternative. Hopefully they will then start to see past the delusion. The people that have escaped the hard core of scientology have either quite literally escaped because of the pain inflicted and found themselves in a situation where they had to interact normally with people again, or they’ve been thrown overboard and luckily found people who can help them see past the delusion. Some may retain vestiges of the delusion (i.e “free” scientology) but at least they are no longer being victimized.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I just realized: She doesn’t have her green card. It was issued, but unless Yannus gave it to her, she doesn’t have it. That could be an issue.

    The other is that she must have come into the states on an Australian Passport. It is known policy that the Sea Org takes away passports, to limit the ability of a person to flee. Could Authorities demand her presence and the Passport?

    An axiom I have long observed: To get anything to change in scientology, you have to create or threaten a ‘flap’. A ‘flap’ is any potential or actual bad Public Relations or Law Enforcement attention or action or calling anything about scientology to the attention of interested Authorities who have some legal power.

    The green card and the passport seem to me to have excellent ‘flap’ potential, perhaps enough to make her too problematic for the Sea Org to keep her.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Good points Michael, but I’m pretty sure her boyfriend gave her the green card, she’s entitled to it by law.
      Whether it’s in her possession or HCO has it is what I wonder about.
      Either way, their legal/OSA is pretty slick these days, mostly because of the outside pressure/PR issues.

  • DodoTheLaser

    The key ingredient and a common denominator, as far as people being sucked in scientology –

    Scientology preys on it in people and capitalizes on it.

    When one is desperate in their life, scientology comes along offering all the solutions on a silver plate,
    all one needs to do is to agree, adopt and join. Easy fix.

    Except it’s not. Time proves so. Manuela will be out before 2013 is over.

    Scientology does work. Just enough to suck some people in. But not enough to keep most of them.

    Hence, the sinking ship.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Scientology Law Suits In September
    Pay close attention at 2:22

    • GlibWog

      OMG… Yes.. Dodo… Make sure to post this later today when more of the Bunkerettes are awake.. Fabulous..
      Great advice.. Never thought of that.. Perfect… ( Hugs) Glibby! ( Love this video…)

      • DodoTheLaser

        Tory is good like that, dear Glibby.
        Sleep well and dream of beauty.

    • Mrs Libnish

      Love Tory! Love David Love! He, Bert and Colin did a fabulous job on Suppressa Palooza.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Just discovered a new song from NIN that I like and it seems relevant:

    Nine Inch Nails – Find My Way

  • Sydjazz if anyone missed this show it is on youtube already. πŸ˜€

  • Laura Cordova-James

    She gave up her career for a lie.

    • 0tessa

      Not only her career, but her love, her family and ultimately her life probably.

    • Deeana

      Actually, her decision – at least at first – seemed to be based on her own ambition. And after was it seven years with her boyfriend she basically tells him “Hooray for me and screw you!”.

    • Snake Plissken

      It’s the classic case of an aspiring actor who gravitates to Hollywood to become a movie star and end up as prostitute for a pimp who promised to make her a start

      Her ambition led her to a crackhouse

      She took a ‘personality test’ they found out what her ‘drug’ is and turned her into a crackhead.

      Now they’re pimping her out in the sea org, another casualty of Hubbard’s mindfuck

      She’s not the first person to choose an addition over their friends and family

  • Krew13

    Is it bad that I hope Miscmidget gets cancer?

    Of course not. He’s an evil stinking piece of shit who I hope gets multiple cancers and dies in agony. Postulate that, cocksucker.

    • Graham

      Yes it is bad. Don’t do it. My wife died of cancer and she was definitely one of the good guys. Cancer strikes where it strikes and I take exception to your trying to imagine that cancer could ever be targeted specifically at the evil. Grow up, and think before you type.

      • Krew13

        I meant was it bad that I hope Miscavige gets cancer. No different to saying I wish Hitler had died at birth.

    • Cheryl

      I’d rather that eventually the law catches up with him and he spends decades in prison. Seems a more fitting punishment , probably won’t happen but can always hope.

    • Mrs Libnish

      It’s a good possibility with no routine medical care and the smoking! I don’t think it’s bad. After what has happened to Kyle Brennan, Lisa McPherson, Andrew Jentsch, Annie Broeker, HIS OWN WIFE…the list goes on and on. I wouldn’t feel bad about it at all.

      • Mrs Libnish

        Let’s throw in that evil, fucking Narconon, as well. Yep….a slow and painful death is in order. If justice can’t prevail in the ten thousand law suits that CO$ is up against, then I hope Karma gives it to him, but good.

    • HelenNPN

      Sort of. You don’t want to become what you hate, and Miscavige loves to see his enemies destroyed. If you become shut off from your better self they are winning not you. Hard as it is, try to remember even disgusting human being Miscavige was born innocent and fell victim to Hubbard’s cult.

  • Krew13

    Ridiculing Sciloons is fun.

    • Mrs Libnish

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! “Bring us your internet”. I’m gonna have to use that one someday…

  • Krew13

    A truly heartbreaking but essential video that remembers just some of the many innocent, vulnerable people who’ve committed suicide because of Scientology.

    • aquaclara

      This is just so sad…..

    • KJP in Portland

      SHE (Lisa) is the very reason I became interested in the shenanigans of Scamtology some dozen or so years ago. My heart still goes out to her πŸ™

      • Krew13

        The blood of her and all the others who’ve died because of this demented evil pyramid scheme cult is on the hands of Cruise and all the Sciloon celebs who’ve turned a blind eye to the atrocities their “church” has committed.

        • q-bird

          not to piss you off anymore than you all ready always are Krew13… butt


          Here is a quote from a son about his father, LRH Jr. states :

          Well, he didn’t really want people killed, because how could you really destroy them if you just killed them? What he wanted to do was to destroy their lives, their families, their reputations, their jobs, their money, everything. My father was the type of person who, when it came to destruction, wanted to keep you alive for as long as possible, to torture you, punish you. If he chose to destroy you, he would love to see you lying in the gutter, strung out on booze and drugs, rolling in your own vomit, with your wife and children gone forever: no job, no money. He’d enjoy walking by and kicking you and saying to other people, “Look what I did to this man!”

          Evil smiling genius. It was this interview that made me feel exactly as you do when you post K, an anger so deep that there are no words foul enough to describe LRH.

          Did the son lie? Did his father?
          Who’s the Liar?

  • Nevermore

    Slept in this morning, what did I miss???

  • Kevin Tighe

    Manuela was recruited while working on season two of The Voice. Scientologist Juliet Simms was The Voice season two runner up. Juliet’s parents, Jeff & Natalie Simms, are well known Scientology recruiters (FSMs). Jeff once told me he wanted to move to Australia/New Zealand to do Scientology recruiting once Juliet hit it big.

    • aquaclara

      Such a scamming shame. thanks for adding to the story.

      • Kevin Tighe

        To be honest I don’t know if it really is part of the story. Perhaps Tony or the Australian reporter can call the Simms camp for comment.

  • Cymboli

    I’m finding it very difficult to feel sorry for Manuela. I certainly feel bad for her family and friends but she left a trail of hurt, pain and saddness in her wake without any remorse.

    • HelenNPN

      She is a victim of a very devious ruthless and manipulative scheme to deprive her of her money and free will.

  • Kevin Tighe

    I had a couple takes from this story:

    a. Scientology is recruiting non Scientologists into the SO. What does that tell you?
    b. It is truly amazing how Scientology simply does not give a shit about alienating dozens upon dozens of family and friends of recruits. For every person they recruit into the SO they create dozens and dozens of enemies.

  • SoMissDelicious

    I feel utterly drained after reading that story, partly because the way Tony writes just sucks you right in to the story, and partly because the story itself is just heartbreaking. I can only hope that someday she gets her head clear and comes out of there without too much damage. Perhaps shes on the interview list to be the next Mrs. Cruise?

  • SoMissDelicious

    In immersing myself in research on CoS lately, it seems like at their barest purest forms, some of the techs and processes could actually be helpful to someone needing to identify and process through traumas in their past. Just like therapy and hypnosis can be beneficial.

    The problem is, L Ron never intended it to be helpful. Its always been a scam. I think the techs are helpful purely by accident.

    How dare celebs like Travolta, Cruise, Alley, etc extol the virtues of a fucking lie. Do they not see that they are paying to have smoke blown up their ass? How much do you want to bet that they don’t get abused like the common org member on the street.

    Cruise especially, could have saved a whole shitload of attention being thrust onto himself and his precious crutch.. I mean church, if he had just kept his ass glued to Oprah’s couch and hadn’t hopped about like a fucking methed out monkey. No matter how good a movie is that hes done since, its a bomb because the general public stopped buying his hype.

    This whole damn pyramid scheme angers me to no end, destroying lives and fucking people up for money. Congrats assholes. You can go have your massive circle jerk around that illuminated pillar in your fucking castle.

  • Jgg2012

    It’s quite telling that they would recruit a celebrity into the SO. Pre-internet, they would parade her into the Celebrity Center, love bomb her, etc. but today that doesn’t work. She would go to the internet, talk to ex-scientology celebs and run. As noted before, they haven’t recruited any new celebrities recently; in fact, they are leaving faster tan they are coming in, so they have to resort to the SO for celebs. What next? Will Davey put his inner circle there so he can trust them?

  • Mrs Libnish

    I’ve copy pasta’d a lot of material from these comments. Mike, Chuck and Orglodyte have given invaluable information. I pray Manuela gets out soon and Yannus is there with loving, open arms to welcome her out.

    Thank GOD those two young girls got out. I can’t believe how quick and insidious the cult is.

  • HelenNPN

    For awhile I’ve been disturbed and wary about how much Scientology is creeping around the US production of So You Think You Can Dance. It is one of TVs most popular shows and has a massive loyal audience of young people not to mention all the young vulnerable talent that it attracts every year.

    Jenna Elfman was a recent guest judge, and Adam Shankman a prominent judge put Tom Cruise as the lead in his movie Rock of Ages. The producer Niles was apparently dating Priscella Presley for a time. Katie Holmes was a major supporter of their Dizzy Feet Foundation when she was in, and may still be. She also guest judged when she was in.