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Scientologists Say the Darndest Things In Their Disconnection Letters

Cindy_Plahuta_KaraWe’re still hearing from people about the Church of Scientology’s denials that it forces “disconnection” on members who have been excommunicated (“declared a suppressive person”).

Cindy Plahuta, of Colorado, has a sadly typical story of how she learned about disconnection. After more than 20 years in the church, she became concerned about things she couldn’t ignore — that the president of the Church of Scientology International, Heber Jentzsch, has reportedly been a prisoner of “The Hole” since about 2004, for example.

When Cindy asked her daughter, Kara Landry, what she thought about Heber’s plight, Landry reacted by turning in her own mother to church ethics officers. (Previously, they had been very close — that’s them in a photo taken on Kara’s wedding day.) Landry subsequently disconnected from her, and since then Cindy has heard nothing from her daughter, who works at Scientology’s South Coast Mission in Orange County, California.

Cindy’s doubts were only magnified by her daughter’s reaction. She subsequently sent an e-mail to former church executive Marty Rathbun asking for his advice. She attended an “independent Scientology” gathering (but wore a hat and sunglasses — she wasn’t ready to be publicly outed as a church doubter). And then, she and her husband Matt took a big step. They invited over Marc and Claire Headley and their children.

The Headleys had sued Scientology unsuccessfully, and were considered two of Scientology’s biggest enemies. They were under surveillance, and the church got photos of Cindy with the Headleys and their kids.

In Scientology, you can almost do nothing worse than schedule a play date with the Headleys and their demon spawn.

About a month after seeing the Headleys, Cindy and Matt received the following disconnection letter from an old friend…

Dear Cindy:

After our conversation today I went to the MAA to get ethics handling because I had some attention on what we had discussed concerning the people that have left the Church.

The MAA informed me that you have a connection to a known SP in Denver, that you are no longer in good standing with the Church, and you are pending a justice action. I found this out after I left a message on your phone that I had good news.

You and I have been close friends for so long Cindy that this is very difficult for me. However, I don’t want to jeopardize my standing with the Church and eligibility for Solo NOTS, or my relationship with my children and friends, and definitely don’t agree with the people that have left our Church. Therefore, I have no choice but to follow LRH Policy, which is very specific concerning this, and can no longer communicate with you until you get this situation handled.

I hope you will please contact OSA or the MAA here at Flag to get this resolved as soon as possible.

[MAA = Master at Arms; SP = Suppressive Person; Solo NOTs = New Era Dianetics for Operating Thetans, high-level church processing that is done alone on the e-meter; LRH = L. Ron Hubbard; OSA = Office of Special Affairs, Scientology’s intelligence wing.]

 
About a month later, Cindy and Matt got this letter from a friend who was so close, he had lived with them for several months when he needed a place to stay, and then had asked Matt to be the best man at his wedding…

I think I have enough data to understand why you feel the way you do and why you have decided what you have decided. I am not of any mind to argue or discuss this or convince you otherwise. Persuasion has never been a strong point with me.

You will not hear from me again after this email, so don’t feel concerned that I will be bugging you as time goes on.

It truly breaks my heart that this has happened. I have really enjoyed your friendships, all of you, and I have felt stronger knowing you were part of my team. You have decided not to be part of that team any longer, based on what you have heard and read. So I have lost some teammates. It happens. I can only continue to carry on, with the confidence that LRH did not choose the wrong man to be at the helm. I will continue to audit and contribute and sacrifice for what I feel is right for all, including you. The future will unfold inexorably and we will all be in it, as LRH says, “in a good state or bad”. I wish for you all the happiness you can find in this world.

I guess I would only ask you not to burn this tentative comm line by joining a group that is not RTC authorized; I am sure you know that a group such as this exists…You may also consider getting with OSA or writing all of this up in detail and sending it to RTC, Flag & FOLO data files and IGC. That’s really what you should have done in the first place.

Remember, when two facts conflict, either one or both of are false.

And…some final lyrics:

The tough got going and the going got tough
But you went ahead and ran away
Things got rough, you said you’d had enough
You told me that you couldn’t stay
I never thought
That you would get caught
In the web the spiders spun for you

Any further comm you may want with me will have to be done through a chaplain’s cycle at the org. I won’t open your emails or take your calls. I’m not disconnecting, because you’re not declared as far as I know. But I am disassociating until and if you handle this situation…

[RTC = Religious Technology Center, the controlling entity of Scientology; Flag = Flag Land Base, Scientology’s spiritual headquarters in Clearwater, Florida; FOLO = Flag Operations Liaison Office]

 
Cindy tells us she’s still stunned, two years later, that these two close friends turned on them so suddenly.

“I never had a phone call from the church. I never was asked about my views. These letters came out of the blue,” she says. “The church says there is no disconnection, but here I have these two letters. They were very good friends who turned their backs on us in an instant.”

 
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NatEnqCoverThe National Enquirer Lays a Turd

There’s so much in Scientology that is weird, wacky, disturbing, and alarming, we just don’t understand it when a rag like the National Enquirer feels the need to hype, embellish, and just get so much wrong when it writes about the church.

But this week, it really flubbed. We hear that it got its hands on some nifty new aerial photos of the Trementina Base in New Mexico, a property of the Church of Spiritual Technology, the weird entity we’ve told you about that has dug underground vaults in various places so the words of L. Ron Hubbard can be stored and survive a nuclear holocaust.

We figured CST is pretty weird on its own — especially since Trementina Base, in a remote part of the New Mexico desert, features a giant CST logo (it looks like interlocking rings) which can be seen from the sky. Dylan Gill — the only former CST employee ever to give a press interview — tells us the logo is there to help guide L. Ron Hubbard’s “thetan” back to earth once he’s ready to return after his death in 1986.

Now see, isn’t that wacky stuff? But no, the Enquirer had nifty new photos of the base and figured it need a big, showy story to go with it. Only, what it reported is almost certainly total nonsense. Let’s go through the first few paragraphs…

1. Says the Enquirer: “The controversial religion maintains a hidden vault that contains the darkest secrets of its most famous members, including Tom Cruise, John Travolta and defector Leah Remini!”

While confessional files of celebrities and all other Scientologists are maintained — and have allegedly been mined for material to smear former members — they are not kept in a “hidden vault” but in the church’s International Base, a 500-acre compound about 90 miles east of Los Angeles.

The underground vault in New Mexico is one of several that CST maintains for storing the writings of founder L. Ron Hubbard so that they will survive a nuclear holocaust. These are remote locations that are intended to operate with just one or two employees, and are not places where active files are being stored.

2. “The vault was housed in a mountain fortress disguised as a church ‘welcome center’ in a remote area of New Mexico, and The ENQUIRER has obtained ‘spy photos’ of the never-before-seen stronghold.”

Actually, the “vault house” is well known, and has been seen in many aerial photos before. It is neither a “fortress” nor a “welcome center” but merely a prop that is mostly empty and is used to cover up the opening of the underground vault at the Trementina base, says Dylan Gill. “The vault house is just to cover up the vault. It’s just a ventilation house is what it is,” he told us last night by telephone.

3. “Scientology experts say the vault contains audio and video confessions of members’ drug use, gay scandals, divorces, illicit affairs and other explosive secrets that could destroy their careers!”

It’s long been known that Scientology collects embarrassing admissions made by members during auditing, but the Enquirer has just one “expert” — Margery Wakefield — telling them these confessional files are being stored in New Mexico at the Trementina vault.

We telephoned Margery, a former Scientologist who never worked for CST, and asked her why she thought confessional files were being stored in such a remote location, something Gill denies, as well as people who actually worked with celebrity files. Margery said she had been told that by a CST employee she could not name.

While we respect Margery for the work she has done in past years, we think this is a very dubious tip she’s been fed. CST has nothing to do with sec checking or auditing, and its underground vaults make no sense for storing files that are readily available at the Int Base.

4. The Enquirer then quotes Las Vegas, NM police chief Tim Gallegos, who has visited the base and gives a more accurate description of it: “They’re transforming writing, speeches and videos onto paper and etching them onto titanium plates,” he said.

Actually, Scientologists were asked to donate to the project that would etch Hubbard’s words on steel plates to be stored in titanium containers that Gill tells us resemble banker’s boxes.

The visit to the base by Gallegos was not a “raid” (as the cover promised) and no celebrity files were “found inside” as a subhead asserts.

The rest of the story is fairly accurate — Auditing is videotaped, including the counseling sessions that Tom Cruise goes through, but somehow the Enquirer left out the best part. Former church executive Tom DeVocht has said that David Miscavige has played Cruise’s sessions — including his sex confessions — for friends, and has ridiculed Cruise behind his back.

Just to be sure, we asked a couple of other former church officials about the notion of celebrity confessional folders being stored at Trementina Base.

“It’s a complete joke. It’s someone’s wild daydream,” says Mike Rinder, the former top spokesman of the church. “It doesn’t make any sense.”

“Everyone knows that’s not true,” Claire Headley told us about the idea of celeb files being stored in New Mexico. And she should know. She actually handled the confessional files of Lisa Marie Presley, Kirstie Alley, Tom Cruise, and John Travolta.

“They’re not in Trementina,” she tells us. Like others, she says they’re kept at the Int Base in California. When Claire worked there, she regularly handled the folders which, she points out, were disguised with false names.

“Eve Darling,” for example, was the name on Lisa Marie Presley’s files.

She gives us another example: When Marty Rathbun was auditing Tom Cruise at the Hollywood Guaranty Building in the early 2000s, each night Cruise’s folder would go on “the run” — a Scientology van service — from the HGB to the Int Base for supervision. In the morning, the file would go back to Hollywood for Rathbun’s use.

Dylan Gill, who helped build the vault house that the Enquirer is gushing about, tells us that organizationally, it just makes no sense for CST to have, in New Mexico, files that belonged to the Church of Scientology International, a completely different entity. “It would be a conflict of interest,” he says. “There just wouldn’t be that kind of contact between CST and Int Base.”

But hey, those are some pretty nifty new photos of the Trementina Base. Expect to see them in some other places today.

 
UPDATE: As we predicted, the great new photos have showed up in the Daily Mail, which does a much better job with them than the Enquirer.

The only thing we’d add to the Daily Mail piece is that the structure they are calling a “welcome center” Dylan Gill tells us is the “LRH House.” Each CST location has one, and the idea is to provide a complete, ready-to-use home for Hubbard whenever he decides to return to earth.

 
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The Lori Hodgson Saga, Part Two

Karen de la Carriere, J. Swift, and Angry Gay Pope bring us the second chapter in their series on Lori Hodgson. Go here to see part one.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on August 16, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Observer

    Scientology: making normal human beings into complete and utter douchebags who quote lyrics in their disconnection letters. I hope the tide of discontent rising in the church reaches Cindy’s daughter, and soon.

    Tick tock, Davey, you pathetic little man. I can’t wait for the day when the National Enquirer is making up facts with which to embellish the story of your arrest, or of a mutiny of your underlings that pries you off your throne.

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      You are absolutely right, what stood out in reading that disconnection letter is this: ” However, I don’t want to jeopardize my standing with the Church and eligibility for Solo NOTS,…” it is so very selfish and entitled that it takes my breath away. I have always believed that since our friends and family are the center of our lives, that we should be empathetic, helpful and above all loving towards each other. That on the say so of Co$, your so-called friend values her NOTS (whatever gibberish ingestion that involves) over your of long-date close relationship angers and disgusts me.

      • Poison Ivy

        It’s the religion for narcissists. Take, don’t give. Me, not you. Get revenge, don’t forgive. The polar opposite of general principles of Christianity.

        • Studious Judious

          What I find amazing is the ability of the ‘tech’ to convert someone to a narcissist, who would normally be selfless and giving.

          To me that is the real evil of Scientology. The conversion of ruth into ruthlessness.

          • FistOfXenu

            Yeah, I knew Ruth since we were kids, then the cult got their claws into her and that’s that. I’ll never forgive them.

            • Poison Ivy

              We all have a dark, selfish side. All of us. Scientology turns selfishness and subterfuge into sacrament.

            • Casabeca

              So sorry to hear you we’re put through that…lifetime trauma for humans with feelings, but just business as usual for the cult. Ugh!

            • FistOfXenu

              Ummmm, I make bad jokes about things that make me that mad, sorry. Her name wasn’t Ruth. They twisted her anyways.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            The aberrated and reactive wog mind calls it ruthlessness. We in the Church of Scientology call it confront.

      • Orglodyte

        When I left, one of my close friends asked me why, and I wrote her a detailed letter. I never heard from her again. More than a decade later, she contacted me, finally out. Turns out she had kept that letter, and reread it, and considered it all that time. “I still have that letter, thank you so much!

        On a deep level, this poor guy may feel just the way you do, and right now they have him by the spiritual short ‘n’ curlies. It’s a really difficult position. It takes immense courage to decide not to disconnect, the enforcement mechanism has to do with the “whole agonized future of every man, woman and child on the planet.”

        I have unbounded respect for anyone who chooses friendship over that. The Remini family, OMG I’m getting tears right here in the cafe. I think it is very difficult for anyone who was never in to understand how courageous they have been.

        This issue has cracked many a bubble. So glad to see it coming to a head so publicly.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Love the avatar and nick.

        • cicely neville

          I hope you realize that your letter helped save your friend.
          Love is ALWAYS the answer. Human love will bring this cult down.

          • Orglodyte

            The Beatles were right, love is all there is. Now that’s a Universal Solvent! My friend and I are much more connected now than when we were in. May the day come soon when disconnection is extinct, and the writers of the letters in Tony’s post are reconnected, sheepish and joyful.

    • KNMF

      Funny things said while crossing the Bridge to Total Freedom:

      “I have no choice but to follow LRH Policy, which is very specific
      concerning this, and can no longer communicate with you until you get
      this situation handled.”

      • Observer

        But he’s disassociating, not disconnecting!

        This is why I don’t see how people can leave the cult but still revere LRH. All of this came from his diseased mind.

        • Poison Ivy

          Diassociating? Interesting choice of verb there…as this is indeed part of what seems to happen to victims of Scientology.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Yes, and the fact that the person did not notice the raw irony.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Climbing, not crossing.. In co$, freedom is an endless, vertical journey.. not a horizontal one..

    • FistOfXenu

      “embellish the story of your arrest”

      “It’s reported by 1 of NE’s sources in the prison that no less than 5 men all named Bubba have requested to have the tiny ex-leader of the cult for their room mate. Another source says the warden may auction Miscavige off between the Bubbas or else let them take turns with him! No official confirmation of this has been given yet”

      TICK TOCK DAVEY!

    • Candygram

      Ugh. I was going to pose the rhetorical question “is being a passive aggressive asshole an mandatory item on a disconnecting scilon’s checklist?” I notice that many of those letters start out ostensibly pleasant, say there’s no judgment, then proceed in the most annoying, in the most unimaginative way possible to cajole, disparage and condemn. Man, if I started out reading one of those letters with tears of sadness I think I may end its reading with at least a few tears of joy at ridding myself of such an asshole.

  • Missionary Kid

    The National Enquirer got it wrong, but just think about the attitude it reflects towards $cientology. The word “cult” is used for $cientology, on their front page, no less.

    Has the NE used this term on their cover before?

    • Robert Eckert

      I don’t know if they have used the word on their cover before, but they have called Scientology “Cruise’s cult” in headlines before, as in this review of Blown for Good years back:

      http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/authors-incredible-claims-cruise-cult-dark-secrets

      • Missionary Kid

        Thanks.
        My point is that this represents a lower and lower status for the cult in the public eye. Tick tock.

        • shasha40

          Time for an oldie but goodie , Scientology’s falling down , falling down , falling down. Scientology’s falling down , Tick, Tock , Tiny Dick . 😀

          • Missionary Kid

            I heartily approve your message.

            • shasha40

              I Love that song ! 😀

  • tetloj

    Disconnection is destroying a relationship, quietly and without sorrow. Both of those letters were no doubt written and sealed in envelopes in front of ethics staff.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      They sold their soul for a ticket to ride a bridge, a bridge they believe will save their eternity.

      They haven’t thought this through… who wants to live forever with no love, no compassion, and no sign of humanity, day after day, with only a screeching, rabid interrogation robot perched at attention at the first sign of a single, unapproved thought.

      That’s not the pinnacle of a spiritual journey. That is the epitome of demolition hell.

      It’s never too late to correct course. We are still here waiting for your return.

      • cicely neville

        Beautifully written and so cosmically true.

    • FistOfXenu

      Instead of disconnecting Cindy and Matt’s friend dissassociated. That only cancels a relationship like it never existed, silently and without grief.

      The contrast here is clear and it proves that the cult doesn’t do disconnection. So that’s okay.

      • Studious Judious

        Disconnection does not equal disassociation. Kinda like Scientology does not equal cult.

        • FistOfXenu

          Yup. And squirrel busting isn’t fair game. And David Miscavige isn’t bat shit crazy or power mad or deluded. And Liar Ruin Humbug wasn’t totally full of horseshit and a con man.

  • Sidney18511

    If only the members of the COS realized the power they would hold if EVERYBODY that was ordered to disconnect just said NO, I’m not disconnecting. I love this person and what you are asking me to do is wrong and if you insist I do this….I will walk away and practice scientology OUTSIDE of this organization. If they held tight to their words instead of shivering in their boots DM would soon realize that he would be a “leader” with no followers. The only losers in this game of chicken would be the COS, for EVERYONE else it would be a big WIN.

    • shasha40

      That would be so Awesome , but remember, they feel their mortality is tied to the church and the wog world is sooo horrible they will not last on their own without Scientology . And getting it outside the church would make them squirrels A maze of mind fucks, booby trapped every where you turn …

      • Sidney18511

        I know what your saying shasha, BUT the good news is that people are now beginning to find their way out if the maze. Long timers are leaving and in Leah’s case, taking their families with them. Maybe their tide is turning and the clock is running out on the COS. some are making it out and the mothers who have lost their kids must never give up hope.

        • shasha40

          I believe in being optomistic, hopefully the tide is turning . We’re good till BTN comes with her pin ! 😀

          • WhereIsSHE

            The tide is most definitely turning in the direction you optimistically hope for, Sasha.

            In case people missed this link that was posted in yesterday’s thread, I am posting it again, because it is right on point, and it demonstrates that not all who remain on the inside are as (severely) brain-washed as one might imagine:

            http://www.mikerindersblog.org/food-for-thought/

            I have read this letter several times now. It is THAT good.
            It gives me great hope, and not just for the end of disconnection and the end of Miscavige’s reign of abuse and terror.

            • shasha40

              Yes, I read it. It is very encouraging. Brick by brick , Scientology’s dying the death of a thousand cuts .

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            I am not bubble bursting today!
            It is all pink ponies and rainbows! that is my story and i am stickin to it.

            (notice how I slipped that ‘stickin” in there?)

            • shasha40

              What ??? Yes I did ! Lol

        • Once_Born

          The fact that people are leaving is good news. That some are successfully taking their families with them is better. However, CofS membership has always had a high turnover. In the past, new members were recruited at least as quickly as they left. Since then, however, conditions have changed.

          > Scientology {doctrine} and practice are no longer secret, and widely ridiculed.
          > The mass of negative material about Scientology that is now freely available must make the CofS recruiters job harder – even if they come across someone who has never heard of the {Church} that person can check it out online in seconds – and is used to doing so.
          > The Internet enables ex-members and critics to organise effectively.

          Among other things, too numerous to list…

          Perhaps disconnection is becoming nastier and more vengeful because recruitment has crashed, and the CofS thinks that making the disconnection process more cruel will deter existing members from leaving. With luck, this practice (like so many of Miscavige’s tactics) will prove counter-productive, and alienate more members than it retains.

          It is, perhaps, time to start to (strategically) wonder what will happen to institutionalised members when the last strongholds of the CofS dissolve out from under them, and they have to re-enter the real world. Could protest organisations be re-purposed to provide support and rehabilitation?

          • Missionary Kid

            Leaving Co$ means that there is less money coming in, so every effort is being made to keep them in.

            As people leave, those practices are being applied to a smaller and smaller group, it has to be somewhat jarring to the long term faithful to realize that there are fewer and fewer of their good friends are still around. The question on their mind has to be, “Where’d they go?” If they see a person who has left, and that person, contrary to doctrine, looks healthy and happy, it will dawn on them that at least one part of what LRH taught, is totally wrong. The questioning begins. Tick tock, Davy.

  • Bury_The_Nuts

    Those dweebs at Trementina should be etching Hubbard’s screed on tin foil so we can use it for the new hats we are all going to need thanks to the National Enquirer.

    • sugarplumfairy

      I wonder who’s locked up there having a psychotic break right now?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist
      • ze moo

        Thank the thetans you protected your cat. One can’t have enough tin foil when $cientology is around.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          That cat looks so happy to be the recipient of such loving care.

          (Our cat would chew our face off before being subjected to this indignity…!)

      • sugarplumfairy

        I’m pretty sure I dated that guy..

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          You too! Well, that’s it then. Tossing Valentine card in trash.

  • Kimberly Crawley

    I know this is off-topic. I want to publicize an anti-Scientology protest in Toronto.
    It’s noon, tomorrow, Saturday August 17th at the two week CCHR exhibit at 788 King Street West.
    Spread the word! We need good attendance. Thank you!
    See https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/planning-cchr-traveling-roadshow-august-17-30-2013.112965/

    • sugarplumfairy

      It’s right on topic..

      • Cat Daddy

        It goes with the Chanology Philosophy of “staying on target” good show Misses Crawley, Good show

      • InTheNameOfXenu

        Speaking off topics. I guess the Leah Remini defection is no longer news anymore? Boy, that was all we were blogging about last week and now nothing. It was exciting while it lasted.

        • ze moo

          Remini’s escape is still in the tabloids and will be for some time. Every time CO$ opens its mouth(s) it is being mentioned. The internet means you can never escape your past.

    • Missionary Kid

      Thanks for posting it. Anything that helps end the cult is appreciated.

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      Thank you for doing this, I wish you a very successful day.

    • aquaclara

      Good luck, Kimberly! Wish I were closer, but will be cheering you on in spirit!

    • FistOfXenu

      Protesting against Para$citology is never off topic! Not here anyways.

    • Stephanie

      Scientology is the Industry of Death!! Good for you guys for protesting at the CCHR “front group” of the Cult of Scientology. Soon – there will be Industry of CULT/Death exhibits around the globe with photos like Lisa McPherson, Kyle Brennan, Maria Pia Gardini and all of the other victims of Scientology’s Mind Control to death casualties!

    • USA MRIID

      When kicking clam ass, aim for the rectum! Good luck, everyone! Take um some piktutures!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      All good, Kimberly. Keep it clean, keep it respectful, keep it FULL OF LULZ!

      And we want photos. Video would be nice.

    • WildaBeast

      Hi, longtime lurker, never-in, Toronto resident here.
      Re: anti-Scientology protest:

      But…but…but…ahhhhh godDAMMIT! I have a roller derby game tomorrow, and we’re so short of girls we’re already subbing one in. As a result I will not be there. As a result of that I am now sad.

      However, on the brighter side: glad it isn’t being held at the Scientology building on Yonge Street. That place is literally coming apart at the seams, and dead empty/boarded up to boot. Protesting there would be mightily ineffective.
      Off-topic: Can anyone tell me if Toronto is on the list of places due for an “Ideal” Org? Or is it just that the cult is so dead here that they can’t keep a building open? Or (as seems most likely) both?

      • Robert Eckert

        “coming apart at the seam, and dead empty/boarded up to boot” sounds pretty Ideal to me!

        • WildaBeast

          @Robert Eckert – You just made me so glad I finished my coffee before I checked the new comments…this laptop is new and I don’t want to have to unstickify my keyboard so soon 😀
          @Studious Judious – that would be AWESOME! It’s a wee bit short notice to change up the location now, but I will absolutely see what I can come up with next season!

          • cicely neville

            Please do – if there’s still an org to protest at by then!
            MK had me spitting up too. Oh, what a vision – female pulchritude, speed and strength versus aging smokers…LOL!

      • Studious Judious

        But how epic would it be if the two roller derby teams decided to protest in uniform and on skates. Maybe even an exhibition.

        • Missionary Kid

          Can you imagine Co$ security trying to restrain the roller queens? I smile at the image.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Whaaaat?! Running around a circle all day when you could be saving mankind and our agonizing future? What did Ron say about that, Miss Derby? Oh wait ….

        http://i43.tinypic.com/dpwevk.jpg

      • AnonymousSP

        They have advertised the Advanced Org Canada on 3rd line in Mono for a couple of years. Last week or so, Narconon briefed town council in Adjala or somewhere near Mono for a new death by Narconon facility. You can swing by the CCHR exhibition on King St not only today… Just sayong.

    • ThetaBara

      Have fun! Don’t forget the chalk tech (and teh caek)!

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      What is the approximate intersection?

    • disqus_ZG5EZ9EVc7

      oh wow seriously? Didn’t think there were many folks from Toronto on this blog. I saw a Scientologist wearing a Dianetics t-shirt and handing out flyers at Queen/Spadina last weekend. It wasn’t going very well. haha.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      @ Kimberley Crawley: We in OSA are prepared to locate and shatter suppression in Toronto on Saturday. We will have Scientologist YoungKahn of the Nation of Islam do a live appearance where his musical stylings will draw away the crowds from Anonymous. How can people not appreciate Nation of Islam rap?

  • Sydjazz

    Now really who takes the enquirer seriously lol

    • Robert Eckert

      While the level of distortion in this story is typical, occasionally the Enquirer is on top of stories that other outlets miss, most famously John Edwards cheating on his ill wife.

      • I miss Weekly World News and Batboy with the other tabloids at the check-out counter.

        • Observer

          WWN may not be in print anymore, but it’s online.

          http://weeklyworldnews.com/

            • Observer

              Hahaha! omg, the shoop is priceless!

            • FistOfXenu

              If avatars here were just a little larger it would be worth me changing mine to use that. But the details will probably be lost at the size we have.

            • Captain Howdy

              I knew there had to be some reason I voted for the guy.

          • Captain Howdy

            I knew there had to be some reason I voted for the guy.

      • Aslansown

        Also, I think they were the ones who broke the story of Jesse Jackson’s love child.

    • FistOfXenu

      Wait – you mean it’s not all true what they write in there? Are you serious? Next you’ll be saying that Weekly World News is all lies too.

      What’s J and K supposed to read to get the latest intell about aliens?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I see what you did there. *refresh*

    • USA MRIID

      🙂 People take Fox “News” seriously. In any population demographic one will find there’s about 30% of them who will believe anything no matter how obviously false.

  • John Smith

    Eve Darling hmmm is this her then?

    http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/e/eve-darling.html

    Love to know the other celeb pseudenyms!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Hold the phones! He did the “Communicator’s Full Hat”?

      I did a short circuit seeing that one. Communicator is a scientology job position title. Lou Laurisse is David Miscavige’s “Communicator”. It’s somewhat like Executive Assistant. When you speak to someone’s “communicator” in scientology, it is considered you are talking TO the person they represent.

      This is Not the communication course at all.

      So it begs the question, who exactly is Tom Cruise’s boss? He is Whose Communicator? Certainly not David Miscavige’s Communicator…or is he? And if That is true, what are Lou’s actual duties or is she Communicator #2?

      This might answer the question for me of “Who’s Salutin’ Who?”

      http://i41.tinypic.com/2safiox.jpg

      • EnthralledObserver

        Er… Eve Darling is Lisa Marie’s pseudonym… did you think it was Tom’s?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Skipped coffee … yes, I did. Okay, so who was Lisa’s “boss”. I’m so confused now.

          • Robert Eckert

            It may be that it was the real Eve Darling, rather than Lisa Marie the fake Eve Darling, who took the “Communicator Hat” and that her boss is some “celeb handler” like Jessica Fishbach or Anne Rathbun.

        • BosonStark

          Tom’s pseudonym is Tiny Richard

      • q-bird

        oh I cannot tell you how much this image pisses me off!
        I mean very very very very pissed. right. the. fuck. off!!! EVERY time I see it.
        This is a {{{church}}] ?!!! AS IF!!!
        deluded bull-shitting egotistical ‘tards! foul unnatural pricks! kissing each other’s a$$!

        grandiose pompous play-acting self-centered predatory lying liars who lie…!!!
        hip hip hoorah all right. A special place in hell I wish for you LRH…….. YOU’RE DISCONNECTED.

        Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrghhhhhh!

        NOTE: I see/saw through this fake shit – I SEE!!! I saw the lie, {the show}, immediately – even before I knew anything at all about this criminal organization.

        I will never stop telling people about it.
        My RL initials are S.P. – I am a born SP.

        • Robert Eckert

          Well don’t hold back, tell us how you REALLY feel?

          • q-bird

            I guess I was typing out loud there Robert. An emotional outburst on my part; I usually keep my rants to myself. Mr. Q served in the US Army Special Forces ’67 – ’69.
            De oppresso liber. He does not talk too much about his experiences… but… well, I’ve known this man for 32 years now. And he tells me, saluting another human being is such an earned accord, a courteous sign of deep respect, rooted in honor. I find it not just ludicrous, but actually insulting & pretentious — infuriatingly presumptuous — that a measly play actor, a little pretty rich pampered boy and a freaky fucktard stud puppet of a {pope} in a fake military uniform saluted each other in this manner. My feeling is that they – NEITHER OF THEM god dammit – has earned the right to use this etiquette — THEY are not entitled.

            The vainglorious junior shit-head TC saluted the supercilious rat bastard DM first btw. The {flow of respect} went that way – fuckin’ A

            unbelieveable!

    • Marc Headley

      Eve Darling is a real person. She was my supervisor at Delphi LA. Eve is married to the brother of Lisa’s first husband, Danny. So really they were sister in-laws. Eve and her husband Thomas were witnesses to Lisa’s wedding to Michael Jackson. Pretty sure Eve even signed the documents that officiated the event.

      Tom Cruise, Kirstie Alley and John Travolta all have alias names on their PC folders. I think Beck does as well. The staff at Celebrity Center use these names when referring to them on lists and other documents as well.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Thank you for clearing that up!

  • chris

    I don’t get why a mother simply wouldn’t quit the church and take her children with her. Also, how could a responsible mother inculcate her children into such a wacky, dangerous cult, knowing its abuses and corruption? I hate Scientology but I don’t feel sorry for Lori or Cindy. If they were stupid enough to drag their children into the cult and let the “church” raise and indoctrinate them, then they only have themselves to blame.

    • BananaSplits8

      You obviously listened attentively to the video. /sarcasm

    • EnthralledObserver

      Lori was 13 when she was introduced, married someone ‘in’, and then her kids were adults by the time she decided to leave. This {church} counts on these circumstances to be in the power position and do its greatest damage.

    • Eclipse-girl

      I am a never in. But you sound a bit heartless.

      First, most parents raise their children with their religion. I was raised Presbyterian. It is one of prerogatives of being a parent.

      Second, have you had a time in your life where you were vulnerable? I have. I never fell for a cult, but cults do a lot of psychological programming on a person to make them feel loved, and wanted. $cientology is a cult.

      Third, parents and children are often separated. It is hard to gain physical custody of the underage children as they are in $cientology schools or sea org.

    • WhereIsSHE

      Man, chris…
      You’ve got a lot of catching up to do, and not just on the factual information available on how good, caring people end up in this horrific situation.
      The good news is, you are in the right place, if–that is– you actually care to become more educated on the hows and whys.

      As to some other catching up… here is a hint: compassion is a GOOD thing.

    • sugarplumfairy

      So, according to your logic, a person in an abusive relationship who has been groomed and conditioned to be victimized should remain the victim since they made the initial bad (and probably misinformed, since predators don’t present as predators) decision to interact with an abuser? Listen to yourself, Chris..

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Sounds like the Perfect candidate for sea org ethics officer position to me. I hear they’re hiring.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Hi, “chris.” Gonna go out on a limb here, but in reading over the seven comments you have made here in the last eight months, all you have done is dropped by, lobbed a set of loopy questions, and then failed to stick around and engage. Your questions seem… designed… to raise more doubts than concerns. (Anyone else is welcome to click on the name or avatar, and see just what I am talking about.)

      Maybe you are just clueless and somewhat disengaged with real people and how they react to real-life situations. Or maybe you are totally clued in, and somewhat disengaged with real people and how they react to real-life situations.

      Care to stay and chat a bit? Or do you have other, more pressing duties?

      • Observer

        Or maybe s/he is simply another troll who enjoys causing pain.

        • Robert Eckert

          No, there’s little of that; it looks more like Scientology is just something on the periphery of his interests, that he looks in on only once in a while, and that his bafflement about how anyone can get sucked into it in the first place is genuine.

      • FistOfXenu

        I don’t think his hat fits him right do you 3D? >:)

    • USA MRIID

      Problem is, the mother did not know at the time — or probably she *did* know but refused to internalize the truth even to herself. There is some blame for the mother in this, but it is the nature of criminal bunko frauds that ensures that people don’t twigg to the obvious frauds.

    • TheLurkingHorror

      Whether OSA, troll or just someone whose social skills are lacking, I appreciate the thoughtful answers you guys have given him/her. Good show.

  • shasha40

    From second letter, ” I can only continue to carry on with the confidence that LRH did not choose the wrong man to be at the helm .”
    I won’t open your e-mails , or take your calls . I’m not disconnecting because you’re not declared. ”
    ” Remember when 2 facts conflict either 1 or both are wrong .”
    So this is how the ” most ethical people on the planet ” choose to deal with differences of thought, huh ? Someone can take you in , in your time of need, be the Best Man at your wedding and you turn your back on them because you’ve been informed by COS that they’ve turned into 1.1’s overnight . Oh yeah , you’re not disconnecting, your just stopping all communication til they handle it . Is this part of COS’s new MO ? Plausible denial , we didn’t tell anyone to disconnect, nor declare anyone an SP. You see they wrote what they felt… with an Ethics and OSA officer standing above them . If that’s how ethical people behave , I Never want to be one .
    As for the Enquirer article …nevermind . I believe in getting correct info to be able to speak from a place of accurate knowledge , therefore I only read the Enquirer for shits and giggles !

    • Missionary Kid

      This ignores the fact that LRH never chose DM to be the new leader.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Bingo!

      • shasha40

        Yep, just goes to show how little history they know of their own church . I don’t understand how they reconcile where all the top management is at currently per LRH’s charts, that was to prevent any one person from having all the power once he was gone .

        • FistOfXenu

          Extreme example of the victor writes the history. DM vanquished all rivals for leadership (including LRH? – we’ll maybe never know unless maybe Shelly knows and she turns up again alive) so the history they know is what he lets them know.

      • KJP in Portland

        DM must’ve been a nasty little 26 year old fucker at the time.

        • FistOfXenu

          Sure why not? he was a nasty little 16 yr old fucker too. Fact is we can count on him always being nasty, little and a fucker no matter what age he is.

        • Eclipse-girl

          I think he has always been a nasty person

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I’ve heard his mom’s nick for him was “little hitler”, so yeah.

            • Veritas

              I wonder if things had been different, and Miscavige had been educated, if he would have harmed an “order of magnitude” more people than he already has

    • sugarplumfairy

      Good point.. I thought lrh chose Pat Broeker to be at the hlm?

      • shasha40

        Apparently , this gentleman and countless other Scions aren’t aware of this.How do they not wonder where all the Upper management went and only Tiny Dick is left standing ? That would make me want to visit the ” fringes ” of the internet to find out .

      • Studious Judious

        As detailed as Hubbard was about documenting how every aspect of the organization should be run, the fact that he waited until the last week of his life to describe who was to replace him makes me suspicious. I don’t know if the letter promoting the Broekers was authentic. DM said it was not. Surely as distrustful as the old man was, he knew there would be a power struggle. Hell it had already happened back in the early ’80’s.

        I wish I knew the truth, but I suspect that LRH really didn’t care what happened after he died.

        • ze moo

          Lroon left all his personal wealth to the stainless steel plate project. He does not appear to have left any money to his family. By leaving his money to the project, he ended one of the reasons the IRS would not grant 501c tax exemption, inurement.

          Funny how Lroons ‘last will and testament’ started the process of 501c exemption and cut out his family from any financial gain and solved one of Miscaviges problems, who was in charge. By claiming the COB of Author Services, he set himself up to pull all the strings and run everything. Like Joe Stalin, he used a central administrative job to run everything. During the Soviet revolution in 1917, no one wanted to be General Secretary of the Party, its was thought to be a dead end job with little room for real revolutionary work. Joe showed them, didn’t he??

          The Broekers were named ‘loyal officers’ before Lroon died, Davey had to contend with them in his power grab. He did the same thing Stalin did, sent them to Siberia.

          Funny how the last papers from Lrooon solved Davey’s problems, isn’t It??

          • Studious Judious

            That’s good to know. But I am even more confused now. Ugh…

            • ze moo

              Miscavige was named head of Author Services before Lroon died, Daveys job was to funnel all the cash to Lroon, hiding in the desert.

            • Robert Eckert

              All the money was left to CST for the archiving project. So, to get all that money out, Davey made sure he was head of Author Services Inc., which owns all the copyrights: that way CST has to pay ASI however much ASI wants to charge, in order to copy the holy words. Money is also funneled out through the construction companies which build the compounds.

            • Studious Judious

              That clears it up for me.

    • George Layton

      On the tone scale, is forced disassociation above or below forced disconnection?

      • FistOfXenu

        Impossible to answer since Para$citology doesn’t have disconnection and never did have. And they NEVER force any body, it’s a personal spiritual decision for each individual and there’s no pressure on any body ever. Didn’t you know?

      • shasha40

        That’s what I’d like to know.

  • villagedianne

    “You may also consider getting with OSA or writing all of this up in detail and sending it to RTC, Flag & FOLO data files and IGC. That’s really what you should have done in the first place.”

    Wow, just wow. Oh, and he’s not disconnecting, he’s “disassociating”. You know, because disconnection does not exist in COS.

    • shasha40

      {{ I wonder what disassociating means in Scientology ???}}

      • FistOfXenu

        Disconnection of course.

    • USA MRIID

      Forced disconnection is “voluntary,” don’tchaknow.

  • Cat Daddy

    BRB: postulating bloodcloth in Dave’s Brain

    • InTheNameOfXenu

      Now let’s not advocate violence, even in the spiritual plane 😉

      • USA MRIID

        No no. Let’s.

  • Papa Xenu

    I think if L. Ron Hubbard himself, came down to earth (with the aid of the interlocking circles) in the same “meat body” we all would recognize (yellow teeth & all) & held a massive press conference to confirm the policy of disconnection, the church (via Karen Pouw) would still deny that the policy exists &/or anyone has been forced to disconnect from anyone else. It would be considered entheta, black PR and LRH would be hauled down to the nearest ethics officer, initially labelled a PTS who is sooooooo out-ethics it’s not funny. If he refused to correct his statement through the correct & RTC approved com-lines, he would be declared an SP & bitter apostate who never really held any position of authority during his Sea Org. years. Pouw would insist he’s just part of the posse of lunatics & a shameless ‘self-promoter’ & everyone would be told to disconnect from him.

    • WhereIsSHE

      On the topic of those interlocking circles…

      Wouldn’t some super-powered-ultra-evolved-being–who allegedly survived on Mars, ALONE, for however long, doing more of that priceless “research”… be able to recognize the freaking EARTH, and then the UNITED STATES of AMERICA–and then …??? I don’t know.. The nearest smoke shop so he could run(fly?) in as fast as possible and get a fresh pack of Kools?? You know the first thing serious smokers do after a flight is rush to the nearest smoking area to light up!

      • Studious Judious

        (LRH enters wearing a glowing ascot, looks around suspiciously)LRH: Where the hell are my Kools?!
        Assistant: Ummm, well… smoking was banned in the year 2050 sir.

        • USA MRIID

          On the plus side, LSD and heroin are now considered breakfast!

      • USA MRIID

        I say we go out to the Mojave Desert and scrape out some of these logos also, confuse the insane fuck when he returns.

        • George Layton

          Add one of these.

          • FistOfXenu

            And how about a giant wanted poster for being a co conspirator in the operations against the US govt, and put it with LRH’s face on it? So he can feel right at home, still hunted.
            🙂

      • Missionary Kid

        I came up with what I call the sarcasm font. Some people like it, and others don’t. Of course, it’s not a real font, but it denotes sarcasm, and it’s easy to use. Example: {church} of $cientology.

      • Papa Xenu

        I’m sure there’s a perfectly good reason, involving the Van Allan belt, a wall of fire, but us wogs simply wouldn’t understand. That’s why the super power project is so important.

    • EnthralledObserver

      lol… probably right. :p

  • Mainly_lurking

    Have sent this to Tony and he may mention it later, but I wanted to post this now for your satisfaction of seeing it as the lead story, ’cause the Mail changes it’s lead pretty quickly sometimes. I think it is important that they are putting so much prominence on this story considering they are the most widely read media outlet online (for some unfathomable reason) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html and the link to the story itself for anyone who comes along after they’ve changed it’s position is this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395235/EXCLUSIVE-Pictured-close-time-Scientologys-secret-alien-space-cathedral-landing-pad-New-Mexico-desert-return-followers-Armageddon-Earth.html

    • Cheryl

      It’s the Mail’s usual look at the wacky Scientologists approach though. There was something similar in The Sun by John Sweeney, the press over here are more interested in the celebrity aspect, The Daily Mail apart from its obsession with immigration, devotes most of its online pages to celebrities, diets and other earth shattering news.
      I don’t know if its a combination of a bruising from The Leveson enquiry and our libel laws which make them unwilling to take a really hard look at all the things that we see on this blog and others.

      • Mainly_lurking

        Yes, but this time they are not actually making the celebrity angle the main focus of the story (they actually don’t even use the word celebrity once). I think they are also getting closer and closer as time goes on, to what passes as serious reporting for the DM, on the subject of Scientology.

        I don’t think the Leveson inquiry has much to do with it, particularly as the DM’s coverage has become greater recently, along with the general upward trend elsewhere in the last year or so. I think it is more that their stories are shaped by what their readers respond to, and mostly their readers respond to stories about celebrities or other lowest common denominator themes, so to me it is doubly interesting that they gave this story such prominence.

        I mean yes, it is the whole wacky Scio’s angle, but I have a feeling they are getting the feedback that people are interested in all aspects of the story about Scientology and if they can give them a few of this kind of juicy bait to start with, well we all know how addictive the research into this subject becomes 😀 . Along with the stories of celebrity and immigration xenophobia, their main bread and butter at the DM is the human interest story, especially those that tug at the heart strings such as stories of family hurt, and as others have noted elsewhere, there are so many stories in this whole subject, especially that kind of human interest click bait story, that it is like a goldmine for publications like the DM. And couple that with the growing realisation that the Co$ is relatively toothless these days, I honestly think it is just a matter of time before they start publishing stories like Lori’s above.

        • Cheryl

          Yes they aren’t saying that Cruise or Travolta are living there or all there auditing files are hidden there like the enquirer, but I still can’t get excited about The Daily Mail. If it was in the US it would be read by all those folks living in compounds with lots of guns waiting for the FBI come get them as part of some international conspiracy!! i just think the wacky angle is almost as bad as the celebrity one, makes them sound like the harmless nuts we know they are not. I would really like Sweeney or some ex scientologists to go to The Times, Guardian or similar and get some proper investigative journalism going. Even Panorama now is not the programme it was. I think if you asked Joe Public about Scientology in this country they would compare it to Jehovas Witnesses, Plymouth Brethren or even The Mormons.
          Sorry but i am just frustrated that all this info is here and in the UK we know very little.

          • Mainly_lurking

            I think the readership of the DM in the US is bigger than you think, obviously it is also dependent on having the internet, but I’d say most of the compounds you mention have some sort of internet. I can’t find the exact numbers, but this article should give you some idea http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16746785
            I think the percentage of people who know that much about the Co$ in the UK is pretty similar to the percentage who know the same about it in the US. Anyway, I hear what you are saying.

            • Cheryl

              That’s worryingly huge, especially given that the typical demographic in the UK is not a particularly liberal, free thinking individual.
              As i’ve said before i have only been reading about the subject for a couple of months, i’m a graduate,generally well read, Guardian or Independent reader and i will put my hands up and say that i thought The Scientologists were weird but generally harmless. I definitely didn’t know about all the issues around children in the organisation until recently or the disconnections etc.. How do we get all of this out and publicised over here

            • Cheryl

              sorry it posted itself before i finished. I hope you are right and it will be a gentle drip drip of information which will develop into a torrent, well just have to wait and see.

    • Robert Eckert

      The Mail story (nothing new except the pictures; distorted understanding of what Trementina is about) drew 681 comments so far, in nine hours, with 546 up-arrows for this comment: “Ha ha, ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha – space ship landing pad – ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” I don’t see any positive comments for Scientology at all, lots of J&D with occasional “aren’t other religions just as nutty?” remarks (that tend to get down-arrowed).

      • Mainly_lurking

        Yes, not a lot of new info but the pics are great and the DM’s readers really respond well to pictures ;-D By the way the story now also has over 1200 shares, and the comment “Remember folks, Tom Cruise actually believes this stuff ;-)” has got 1676 up arrows, so yeah, the celebrity angle and the kooky space aliens angle sucks them in, but at least they are getting sucked in now.

        • Robert Eckert

          Scilon trolls showing up very late to the party:

          “What I would like to know is who is behind these attacks on Sci. The Church may be odd but their spiritual practices are well known to be powerful and workable.

          – dwkeller , Sherman Oaks, United States, 16/8/2013 16:37”

          “They just opened a mega-Scientology place near me. People going in and out of it all the time, all day long. Another one opened in Nashville – and now this?. With so much bad press how are they growing so fast?

          – Doofus , Dallas, United States, 16/8/2013 16:36”

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Doofus. AT least they got that right…

          • Studious Judious

            Both of those just got down-votes.

          • Mainly_lurking

            What time was it then in Cali? They must have just come one duty 😀

  • Truthiwant

    Real friends are people that are there when you need them most. So, Cindy, when you needed those ‘friends’ a couple of years ago, you were counting on the wrong people.

    You have some good friends here on the Bunker and the Headleys I’m sure are really good friends. We listen, cry and laugh with you but never judge anybody because we understand what people have been through. Personally, included.

    It’s sad but that’s the way it is when you are involved with the ‘Church’.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Choosing your eligibility for solo nots over your mom.. selfish scientology makes me sick..

    • Captain Howdy

      These people don’t believe that they are related to each other is the same way we “homo saps” do.

      • WhereIsSHE

        Ummm… My head hurts just from trying to imagine 1. choosing to self-audit –which could be done as an independent, as far as I understand–over your MOM, and 2. not believing you are really related to your MOM.

        Sorry to those who read here and still tout the awesome benefits of the “wins”, etc, but… it turns out that you could actually cure all that ails you just by worshipping My Little Pony, and for a lot less money and hassle (or so say many Bronies!):

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=z3WAYqCy7CA

        • Studious Judious

          i give you points for mentioning Bronies.

          • WhereIsSHE

            Believing in the mantra “Friendship is Magic” –and actually BEING FRIENDS with those who share that belief–sounds a heck of a lot more sane –and far more likely to cure someone of suicidal thoughts and ideation.

            Disclaimer: I have never seen a single episode of My Little Pony.
            I grew up in the Scooby Doo era, and I still love a good villain confession of, “And I would have gotten away with it, too, had it not been for you meddling kids and your dog!”

            Can I get a SHOOP of the evil-Miss-Cabbage-villian confessing to law enforcement in front of Shaggy, Scooby, Wilma, Fred and Daffney??!

      • Roger Larsson

        Homo Novis
        don’t have to do any own thinking, all they have to is to attack the ones doing
        own thinking. If exploding stars have created us, why are some stardust and
        other nuclear waste?

        • sugarplumfairy

          very good question..

    • USA MRIID

      Not only that, Solo NOTs can be downloaded off of the Internet for free. Some how makes shoving one’s mother under the bus all that more reprehensible.

      • Missionary Kid

        {Oh, but the internet is filled with entheta. If it’s not official Co$, then it’s not to be touched or looked at.}

        Those are sarcasm brackets. {}

  • BosonStark

    Maybe when Hubbard’s thetan comes back he’ll want to have a look at some secret celebrity files, so that’s why they have to have copies stored there? I hope they have plenty of Kools on hand because the Travolta and Cruise folders can probably make for some particularly stressful ecclesiastical reading.

    They should carve LRH’s bust into the rock, so the Welcome Center could shelter visitors from the sight of it.

    • marti

      “They should carve LRH’s bust into the rock…….”

      A bust smoking a Kool so the circling vultures will have a perch.

      • FistOfXenu

        and a cyst on the forehead so pigeons have some place to land and crap in easy reach of his face.

  • Ivan Mapother

    The written clam word is not as entertaining as the spoken clam lingo. I guess my question is, does the cult have a course that teaches the clams how to speak to the wog world without sounding batshit crazy or is that just an aquired skill? When you hear them talk amongst themselves, it’s quite entertaining to hear about their mini-hats blowing charge. In public, they can sound pretty normal, with the exception of a pissed Jena Elfman.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    oh Trementina …rubs hands…I wonder if Chuck Dunigan is still caretaker and i wonder if he is related to the other Dunigan that tried to tackle someone in one of the Angry Gay Pope videos?

  • InTheNameOfXenu

    The Enquirer did report about John Travolta’s gay encounters in the past. They interviewed a gay porn star that Travolta had an affair with back in the 80’s before his arranged marriage with Kelly Preston. Travolta really has nothing to fear if he left the ‘church’. What are they going to black-mail him with? He’s already been outed. Most people know he’s bi-sexual. This is a well known fact in the Hollywood industry.

    • Eclipse-girl

      While most people could care less about a person’s sexual orientation, perhaps JT worries about his teen daughter and toddler son. Has the daughter been in $cientology schools or is she actually getting an education? Would KP prevent JT from maintaining contact with his children?

      • aquaclara

        JT is big enough that he could just tell Davey to go to hell. Then threaten him with a massive lawsuit for fraud if Davey so much as whispers anything about him.

        • Missionary Kid

          I think they’ve got him surrounded with too much CLAMydia for him to bail.

          • aquaclara

            That, and I think JT really, really believes this blatherscum. Which is sad.
            Because everyone says he is a nice person.
            I just don’t see how someone who is nice could possibly ignore all the evil and harm.

            • Missionary Kid

              I think that they’ve probably been feeding him $cientology lite. I wonder what will happen when some of the other clebritards becomes a real person and leaves and he’s forced to disconnect.

            • aquaclara

              …or when his marriage breaks up, and he is scorned by an angry ex.

            • Missionary Kid

              The clam runs deep with her. I think that she’s tasked with keeping him in, but that’s all speculation. Who knows what their relationship is?

              If a sex tape comes out with him, that might be the the straw that breaks the camel’s back, but I’ll bet he’s too careful to get caught with something like that.

            • BananaSplits8

              When the sh*t really hits the fan, I can’t wait to see the remaining celebrity clams disassociate themselves from “Miscavige’s version” of scientology they knew wasn’t right all along. TC’s job of it will be more difficult, but I am sure will be epic in its delusional assumption that the public and the internet are irremediably stupid.

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t think DM thinks the internet is stupid. He just doesn’t have any idea how to deal with it. He keeps making the same old mistakes. He, like LRH, is stuck in the 50s. He’s operating as if the general public hasn’t gotten wise to him.

      • USA MRIID

        “most people could care less”

        I think you meant “could NOT care less”

        • Eclipse-girl

          I stand corrected. I do not worry about any person’s sexual orientation as long as it with consenting adults.

  • Gerard Plourde

    Regarding the letter from Cindy and Matt’s close friend’s statement –

    “I can only continue to carry on, with the confidence that LRH did not choose the wrong man to be at the helm.”

    Something’s missing. Let’s see –

    “I can only continue to carry on, with the confidence that LRH did not choose the wrong man to be at the helm to carry on his lunatic policies and to continue his practice of fleecing gullible membership.”

    That should fix it.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      and just one other tiny detail … Hubbard did not choose Miscavige to be at the helm.

      • shasha40

        That jumped out at me too , but forgot how some of us are further down the hole than others. Good thing my fellow Bunkerites were on top of it . You guys are Awesome !

      • MarionDee

        Wow, I missed that! Thanks so much!

      • Veritas

        Exactly!!

      • Gerard Plourde

        It’s true that Hubbard didn’t choose Miscavige but I think it’s undeniable that Miscavige is the true heir of Hubbard, using all of the tools Hubbard developed to control the members.

  • MarionDee

    Cindy and Matt, I am so very sorry about the disconnections (esp. from your daughter) that you endure.

    Though the second letter has some sweet remarks about the writer’s loving past with you, I find the section provided to be terribly self-centred (as is most of Scientology): “I have felt stronger knowing you were part of my team. You have decided not to be part of that team any longer, based on what you have heard and read. So I have lost some teammates. It happens. I can only continue to carry on, with the confidence that LRH did not choose the wrong man to be at the helm. I will continue to audit and contribute and sacrifice for what I feel is right for all, including you.” Well, what a hero. And as for “with the confidence that LRH did not choose the wrong man at the helm”–that’s a tragic miscalculation. And song lyrics: really? Especially because there’s a billion of ’em, many on the theme of “I’m here for you, no matter what.”

    What bothers me is that there is a good person, thoroughly lost, inside the letter-writer. No, “lost” is the wrong word. Locked away, and the writer has lost the key. But, though it’s far from likely, he could find it: the world often moves in mysterious ways.

    Cindy and Matt, I will hope that this abandonment–especially by your daughter–changes. It took courage to share these letters. I hope that doing so didn’t make it more painful for you. Needless to say, you’ve found more courage within yourselves than most parents and parishioners are called to do.

  • sugarplumfairy

    I know the enquirer didn’t get it right, as usual, but is it wrong to lovvvvvve seeing that obnoxious cover proudly standing in the checkout aisle advertising the co$ crazy? Yesterday on the way home I stopped (for Haagen Dazs, yay!) and as I stood waiting to pay, an elderly man in front of me was reading the headlines and looked at me and shook his head.. “that’s some crazy stuff..why would anyone in their right mind ever join something like that?” it made my day..

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Haagen Dazs sprinkled with some crazy stuff. Sounds delicious.

      • shasha40

        Yum !

      • FistOfXenu

        Ah hell, now I want Haagen Dazs and there isn’t any for 50 mi in any direction.

    • shasha40

      Points for major dissemination , but they should really get their info right. And , no it’s not wrong to Looove seeing entheta regarding Scions . Your tale has me grinning from ear to ear !

  • Cat Daddy

    http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?s=85012d1bdc25aa6c5c7016f8c56d98e7&p=2172869#post2172869

    If the ground patterns are there to guide human beings back to that spot
    after a nuclear catastrophe, why did they use trees? I mean, if they
    get nuked their trail marker is gone. Don’t they realize this?

    • EnthralledObserver

      Hahahaha… because they are fucking idiots. I’ve said before there were massive plot-holes in LRH’s tales… and here again is another whopper – direct from DM himself!

      • Robert Eckert

        As battlefieldspork said about another of LRH’s tales: “There are not so much plot holes, as tenuous wisps of plot struggling to cohere in the shrieking void.”

    • shasha40

      I’m not sure they understand ” real science” , only lrh’s BS. So , no Tiny dick doesn’t have the knowingness to be aware of things like that. Lo

    • Studious Judious

      Not to mention that the patterns are so small that you pretty much have to already be there in order to see them. But in the world of woo woo, all logic is questionable.

      • Marie Claire Wolf

        No, no not woowoo, it is foufou stuff! 😉

      • marti

        Hey, you remind me of a man.
        What man?
        Man with the power.
        What power?
        Power of woowoo.
        Hoodoo?
        You do.
        Do what?
        Remind me of a man

        • Studious Judious

          I love to read about James Randi and his efforts to debunk all things woo woo.

        • Missionary Kid

          Ah, yes, a take on the Bachelor and the Bobby-Soxer lines, written by a much better writer than LRH, Sydney Sheldon. Actually, nearly everyone is a better writer.

    • KJP in Portland

      They’re nuclear-proof trees from Xenu!

      • FistOfXenu

        NO! I won’t take the blame for it. if I was willing to wreck the ecology of the area I’d send in beavers now to level them all.

    • lightblb62

      LOLOLOLOLOL…… coffee Alllllllllllllllllllllllll over the keyboard! DUH!

    • FistOfXenu

      Well they already tried breadcrumbs but birds kept eating them.

  • Krew13

    “I can only continue to carry on, with the confidence that LRH did not choose the wrong man to be at the helm.”

    That right there is the core of this problem. People who have been thoroughly brainwashed by a bunch of truly evil psychopaths into worshipping a dead, talentless, tax evading lunatic and his self-appointed successor who’s equally, if not more, batshit crazy.

    Now, what was it the Cruisemeister said about “Scientologists have the ability to create new and better realities”? Fucking fuckwitted fucker.

    • 1subgenius

      “I can only continue to carry on, with the confidence that LRH did not choose the wrong man to be at the helm.”

      Read a certain way, that is a true statement.
      LRH didn’t choose him, and he’s the wrong man.

    • FistOfXenu

      “Scientologists have the ability to create new and better realities”

      Sounds like he’s talking about people on acid having hallucinations.

      • Studious Judious

        I can agree with that, having done my share of hallucinogenics.

        However, I create a new and better reality every time I cut my grass, wash my clothes, make baklava.

        People also create new and better realities when they have children and raise them to love and respect one another.

        So I feel everyone has the ability to create new and better realities.

        • FistOfXenu

          I’ll go with that. And we’re gonna create another new and better reality by ending Para$citology and jailing Demented Midget.

  • Racnad

    One question that is sometimes asked is if Miscagive actually believes the whole Hubbard/Scientology worldview. The fact that they’ve spend all that money and trouble on the construction and maintenance of the CST vault complexes, which are designed to outlive Miscavage and offer no benefit to him at this time, suggests that yes, he does.

    • EnthralledObserver

      He does have to ‘pretend’ he believes, though… and where else could he dispense Shelly to?

    • Eclipse-girl

      I thought that DM never got past a certain level. I know he can claim anything he wants to.

      • Studious Judious

        DM is not a complete idiot. He is certainly an incomplete idiot. He at least knows that his form of abusive tactics work to control people. What he doesn’t realize is that it is a temporary thing.

      • Gerard Plourde

        For that matter, how far did Hubbard go in Scientology. He made the stuff up but how much if it did he really practice?

        • Studious Judious

          Hubbard was constantly being audited and auditing. Doing “research.” So, assuming that Clear and OT exist, Hubbard had achieved them.

          • Gerard Plourde

            Would an auditor dare to tell him he didn’t have a “floating needle” if Hubbard claimed he did?

          • BananaSplits8

            Maybe I’m not using the correct terminology, but wouldn’t he have figured out that voluntarily making the needle float was possible? Because he most certainly mastered the sh*t out of that art.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Oh for sure he knew the con he was running… though sometimes I think, especially toward the end, his imagination melded too well with his reality and he even convinced himself he was on to something. But yeah, he had to have known in the early days.

            • BananaSplits8

              Strange he didn’t write a 5 book series about it. Then again, admitting the e-meter could be tricked would be admitting to its flaws.

            • EnthralledObserver

              “Admitting the e-meter could be tricked would be admitting to its flaws”
              Er… I’ll fix that for you…
              “admitting the e-meter did nothing but measure galvanic skin response would be admitting to the con”

            • Studious Judious

              Or maybe becoming OT meant that you could lie all you want and fool the e-meter.

            • BananaSplits8

              As far as I’m concerned, and I’ve said it before, Hubbard frequently admitted to the con but worded it just so it flew over the faithful’s heads.

            • FistOfXenu

              Hold on there BananaSplits! Are you saying L Ron Humbug was a fake? a cheat? a phony? a horse shit artist? a con man? a Walter Mittie? How dare you!

              How dare you tell the truth about him after he worked so hard to tell so many lies? You don’t have the fucking rank to tell the truth about the cyst-headed horseshitting hypnotist from Nebraska!

              😛

            • BananaSplits8

              Yes, he was flawed.

              😉

            • FistOfXenu

              REPORT TO ETHICS! NOW!

              goes off to write KR

            • Observer

              He was a genius! A genius, I say!

            • FistOfXenu

              Obs, that is PERFECT! And DM as Eye-gor is great.

            • Mark

              And he had an enormous schwanzstecker!

            • FistOfXenu

              That would be 1 of the best lines in the movie if there wasn’t so many of them.

            • Mark

              I like “Put… ze candle… BECK!”

            • WildaBeast

              Looking at that gave me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside 🙂

            • Robert Eckert

              Is that a lamprey head?

            • Observer

              Yep. It seemed appropriate.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              He wasn’t perfect. There, that makes all that other stuff PERFECTLY FINE.

        • EnthralledObserver

          He was supposedly the pioneer… his {research} consisted of him literally clearing the path through, so it’s implied he ‘did’ all the levels (and potentially more with his ‘dropping his body) there were available to do.

          • Gerard Plourde

            Ok, but who was going to tell him he hadn’t achieved a level. Since we know that no one has ever been shown to manifest the attributes of a “clear” and Hubbard never demonstrated that he possessed them, we have only his word (for what that’s worth).

            • EnthralledObserver

              Yep, you are right – it is ‘implied’ he did them, so yeah, if he said he did, then the clams are supposed to accept that he had. Seeing as they were ‘made up’ by Hubtard, then we know he didn’t ‘really’ do them.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          For what it’s worth, Hubbard originally claimed (with great modesty) that he was not, himself, “Clear.” He said this was because he did not have the hours to devote to the necessary Auditing, as he was so caught up in higher research.

          • FistOfXenu

            But don’t people have to be Clear before they do the higher levels?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              My source for this is Martin Gardner’s Fads and Fallacies in the Name of Science (1957 edition of the 1952 book). He says:
              “As for Hubbard himself, he freely admits that he is not a clear. He decided, he says, to devote all his energies to giving dianetics to the world rather than spend more time having himself processed.”

            • Robert Eckert

              Ahh… it may well be that he played mock-humble in 1952, but changed after the invention of “Scientology” to replace “Dianetics”

            • FistOfXenu

              But where did Humbug say it? Not getting at you just wondering.

          • Studious Judious

            Once again, I pause in stunned silence.

    • 0tessa

      I don’t think he does. He does believe in making lots of money with it though. But he and his inner circle must know that in the end it is just nasty science fiction. They also know that at a certain time it must all end, but that does not really worry him, having money enough to last a lifetime. It is just one big show.

      • Racnad

        Then why spend millions on CST vaults and keep them secret?

        • It’s other peoples’ money, as far as he’s concerned. As long as he can live a life of luxury on the backs of the others, why not?

        • Veritas

          We don’t really know what he hides in there. It could be 50 year-old single malt scotch.

          • Captain Howdy

            Cash, gold bullion, weapons, bodies

            • Eivol Ekdal

              interesting guard tower on the LRH house in NM. Could not see that before on Google Earth

            • KJP in Portland

              I wish he could get Alabama prison time and spend time working on a chain gang.

            • 1subgenius
            • Veritas

              Yeah, I picture corpses in there.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Twinkies..

            • FistOfXenu

              Shelly? Dox about what really happened to LRH and Shelly’s mom and Lisa Mcpherson and a bunch more? Records of the ops against the IRS? Pix of the aliens that took his body over when he was a boy? Proof that he’s a 10 ft shape shifting lizard?

            • pronoia

              And food. And water

          • KJP in Portland

            …or 50 year old KY jelly…ewww…

            • KJP in Portland

              Or LRH’s yellow, rotten teeth as religious relics.

            • Veritas

              That would be worth a trip to Antique Roadshow!

        • Studious Judious

          I think he needed to show the congregation where the money that was being raised was going. Perhaps the stated cost is much higher than the actual cost. Who pockets the difference?

          • Racnad

            But the congregation doesn’t know about these places – just people who read Tony Ortega or tabloids which the congregation is supposed to avoid whenever Scientology is mentioned.

            • Studious Judious

              Hmmmm…I thought they knew that it was being done, just not where. I’m not sure of my position so I could be entirely full of shit.

            • Racnad

              Correct, they’ve promoted the “Tech Preservation Project,” but haven’t made the locations public. If there’re actually building vaults and transferring LRH works to titanium & gold CDs stored in nitrogen tubes rather than just throwing it in a shed behind the garage at INT where COB keeps his motorcycle collection and saying they built high-tech vaults, that indicates they take it seriously.

            • George Layton

              Does anyone know how much of this etching has actually been done? Might part of that be a ruse like the library books talked about yesterday?

            • Studious Judious

              Someone (maybe John P.) mentioned that if these existed that DM would love to show the congregation pictures and bring it up at the events. The fact that he hasn’t even mentioned any progress about it makes me think that it’s more fraud.

            • FistOfXenu

              Maybe he only shows it to certain people. “Hey Tom, wanna come see my etchings?”

            • WildaBeast

              Bahaaaahahahaha!!! /gasps and wheezes
              “Wanna come see my etchings?”, along with “Want to come up for some tea?” and “Sure, my U-Haul is just around the corner” is one of the phrases my wife and I use to joke about the stereotypical lesbian first-date sex. (We moved in with each other immediately after our first night together, nine years ago – we ARE the stereotype.)
              Anyway, +1,000 points. For leaders (and poster boys) of such a homophobic organization, Davey and Cruise seem to be awfully…INTENSE…about one another.

            • Snuzey

              The way Tiny Dick keeps updating the ‘tech’, taking out semi colons or whatever it was, even if they were started ages ago they can never get finished as they keep having to start again?

            • i-Betty

              Good point.

      • KNMF

        IMO Scientology needs stuff like fantastical projects, busy work and sinister enemies, to keep the mind control victims invested in the con.

        It is part of the mirage.

    • sugarplumfairy

      But a vault complex with an airstrip designed to outlive the ravages of the millenuims makes a great cover story to spend all kinds of money and trouble on the construction and maintenance of an impenetrable fortress that one deposed diminutive might escape to on short notice if need be..

    • scnethics

      Miscavige does benefit greatly. It’s a very nice home with a landing strip on 60 acres, so it’s nice real estate – one of DM’s penchants to be sure. Also, I imagine they raise considerably more
      money for the project than they spend on it. And, he’s surrounded by hard core believers, and they eat this up. As a
      public scientologist, I was briefed on this program in detail, and I thought it was a great idea. No one is ever told how much it costs, and I believe I was told the plates would be platinum. Imagine how much that would cost! So, in the mind of the public, it’s another explanation for how the church always needs money – or else!

  • aquaclara

    Watching this video from J., Karen and Angry Gay Pope, I

    • Marie Claire Wolf

      Words fail me to real say how much I admire what Karen, J, Swift and AGP are doing. To give voice and face to these survivors and victims is a very precious documentation of the suffering inflicted by the cult of $cientology. Their video work is historic and can testify as to the sheer greed and depravity ofCo$.
      From the very bottom of my heart: THANK YOU VERY MUCH

  • Cat Daddy

    http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10023470498

    “maybe the Mormons will buy it after the scientist fold”

    • Robert Eckert

      “and among their food stocks is an abundance of Coco Puffs”

  • Studious Judious

    I often think of the movie The Green Mile when I read about Scientology’s policy of Disconnection.

    When John Coffey says, “He killed them with their love.” I realize that the CoS uses peoples love of one another to coerce and control, to the point of destruction.

    And when some reach that breaking point where their own integrity overcomes the fear of Disconnection I can hear John Coffey saying “I’m tired, boss. Tired of bein’ on the road, lonely as a sparrow in the rain. I’m tired of never having me a buddy to be with, to tell me where we’s going to or coming from, or why. Mostly, I’m tired of people being ugly to each other. I’m tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world every day. There’s too much of it — it’s like pieces of glass in my head, all the time. Can you understand?”

    So OSA, there’s a fucking metaphor for you.

    Scientology I dub you Homewreckers!

    • KJP in Portland

      Amen SJ!

    • lightblb62

      Perfect. ( I loves me that John Coffey.) He done reached his point….and there are a lot more who are getting there every day. And I agree with so many of the statements over the last few days.. if more and more inside just said :No!” “I’m tired of people being ugly to each other”… Goodbye. Wow that would be awesome. Like a national Dance Day eh? Have an International “We are DONE Day”.. a mass exit. That would be awesome….. one can dream eh?! lol I can just see it. Next Thursday at 2pm.. every single person in every org, mission, the Base, Hemet.. they drop whatever they have in their hands, whatever they are doing.. and they walk out. Delish.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Wouldn’t it be lovely for some doubting individual still inside to issue an order to the masses disguised as ‘Command Intention’ to do just that…
        One can dream…

        • lightblb62

          That is pretty funny EO – lovely thought. lol (Careful now.. you might be giving someone an idea……one can hope)

          • EnthralledObserver

            😉 Precisely… you never know who is reading here these days…

        • Robert Eckert

          Operation Valkyrie is now in effect!

          • Missionary Kid

            And it will have the same metaphysical result. A huge number of declareds. The group will get SMALLER, Smaller, smaller.

            • BananaSplits8

              What was that percentage of world-wide SPs Hubbard said were roaming around? Scientology is to humans what water is to Gizmos, so it seems.

    • cicely neville

      You said it. I’ve thought of John Coffey’s words too. They apply perfectly; that is exactly what the cult does.

    • GlibWog

      Awww Stud your words are beautiful.

  • 1subgenius

    Seen through the eyes of a journalist, the Enquirer story is horrific.
    But it contains some truth.
    1. There are files from auditing sessions, that contain information that the cult uses against them.
    2. There is a “secret” vault.where cult gibberish is etched onto titanium plates.
    3. Scientology is a weird and scary cult.
    The Enquirer isn’t journalism, its entertainment.
    If a few relevant facts slip in about a criminal organization, I approve.

    • BosonStark

      Hubbard’s gibberish is on steel plates which are kept in titanium cases.

      • sugarplumfairy

        so the laughs can live on forever..

      • 1subgenius

        Edited, thanks.

      • Sidney18511

        That just goes to show you that this is a cult with MORE money then brains.

      • FistOfXenu

        “Hubbard’s gibberish is on steel plates which are kept in titanium cases”

        Yup. Pull that idea out of the cloud of crazy called the National Enquirer and think about it all by itself and suddenly, well damn! Some body supposedly bought a shit load of steel and etched it with the most useless insane diarrhea that ever squirted out of a human mind. And they put it all into titanium storage cases and hid them in a nuclear bunker.

        What. The. Fuck.

        • Poison Ivy

          I just hope there isn’t a nuclear holocaust. Well, of course I hope that for the obvious reasons….but CO$ has just given me another one. WHAT IF HUBBARD’S WORK WAS THE ONLY LITERATURE TO SURVIVE?
          Can you imagine the last vestiges of mankind, generations later, finding the vault and the works of Hubbard?
          They would indeed be seen as a viable “Bible.”
          My God! Then the planet would indeed be “cleared” (Cleared of all intelligence and common sense, that is.)
          Will someone PLEASE build another couple vaults and fill them with titanium versions of books by the current crop of biology/chemistry/physics Nobel Prize winners? By Darwin? By Einstien and Shakespeare? Oh – and EVERY DAMN BLOG ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY EVER WRITTEN BY TONY ORTEGA?
          Please build the new vaults within shouting distance of the CO$ vaults, only make them easier for the survivors to get into. Oh – and put a big sign on the door: DISREGARD OTHER VAULT AND ITS CONTENTS.

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Rant alert!

            You are really pissed about that burlwood pen? aren’t ya?

            • Poison Ivy

              You betcha sweet bootie I am!

              I’ve been drooling over that pen every since Tony first wrote about it!

          • BananaSplits8

            Observer and I considered the matter last week. A titanium plaque with “pwned” on it. It’s all settled.

            I suck with posting pics. I hope Observer reads this and posts it again.

          • ze moo

            Calm down, watch the movie ‘book of eli’ and be comforted. The CO$ ‘bunkers’ will not out live the stink Lron and Miscavige left on them.

          • aquaclara

            This is delicious. Of course, a TRULY GENEROUS church would think about saving something precious that is NOT ABOUT THEMSELVES!

          • TheLurkingHorror

            “I just hope there isn’t a nuclear holocaust. Well, of course I hope
            that for the obvious reasons….but CO$ has just given me another one.
            WHAT IF HUBBARD’S WORK WAS THE ONLY LITERATURE TO SURVIVE?”

            Well, it might give survivors something to laugh about, at least.

  • Veritas

    “You and I have been close friends for so long Cindy that this is very difficult for me. However, I don’t want to jeopardize my standing with the Church and eligibility for Solo NOTS”

    There is a reason it is difficult for you. That’s because it’s insane.

    Your Solo NOTS won’t make up for it, sorry.

  • deselby

    So the preferred method of disconnection is the singing telegram?

    • tetloj

      oh my! What a theta line of work that would be.

    • USA MRIID

      Candygram for Mister Mongo!

      • FistOfXenu

        “Clam-d-gram for Mister Mongo!”

        Fixed. 🙂

        • USA MRIID

          Snap snap snap!

      • Missionary Kid

        It brings to mind the land shark from SNL.

        • GlibWog

          bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhahahahhaha

          • Missionary Kid

            Candygram!

            • GlibWog

              Plumber!

            • Missionary Kid

              I can’t remember all of the words used to get someone to open the door.

    • FistOfXenu

      I really want to ^ this about a dozen times. You mean like this?

      “di-i-i-i-i-s-connected
      you and me we’re disconnected!
      don’t you write to me any more!
      don’t let me see you standing at my door!

      di-i-i-i-i-s-connected
      you and me we’re disconnected!
      no more telegrams or notes or calls
      you’re off my comm lines once and for all

      di-i-i-i-i-s-connected
      you and me we’re disconnected!
      it’s all your fault because you broke ARC
      now you’ll die alone and in the dark!

      di-i-i-i-i-s-connected!
      di-i-i-i-i-s-connected!
      di-i-i-i-i-s-connected!
      you and me we’re di-i-i-i-i-s-connected!

      • cicely neville

        Totally brill. Now how do I get it out of my head?!

  • Quote of the day goes to Tony Ortega “In Scientology, you can almost do nothing worse than schedule a play date with the Headleys and their demon spawn.”

    • Observer

      But they’re such adorable demon spawn!

      • The Church of Scientology picks the nicest people as enemies doesn’t it?

        • Doug Parent

          The Church of Scientology MANUFACTURERS it’s own enemies. Straight up the line. Every enemy” in Scientology is a direct result of their attacks or suppression of the persons “dynamics” or someone they know or care about. Flat out, it’s a mindless machine that idiotically munches people up with their internal “justice” system. Those who get back up off the floor and fight back were usually the cults most ardent supporters. ANY SCIENTOLOGIST who is on the fence can continue their DOUBT formula by looking at the statistics of Independent Scientologists that were once in the church. Chances are they were high producers, highly trained and effective people who were attacked for trying to make things go right.

        • FistOfXenu

          And it makes enemies of the nicest people.

        • Robert Eckert

          With enemies like this, who needs friends?

      • Poison Ivy

        I wonder if Golden Age Productions is planning a Scientology-themed remake of “The Omen,” with those glorious Headley children as the antagonists?

        • cicely neville

          Snickersnort

        • BananaSplits8

          But in the scieno version, the Headley kids fry the goldfish and eat them!

          • sister wendy

            naw- they’d just keep taking Calmag drink and throw up coffee

        • Casabeca

          The kids lines in the film would be chilling. “Hello Gran, how are you?” “Wanna play together?” “Let’s play making books like my daddy and write down stuff we remember!” “Will you please be my friend forever and ever?”
          Thank heavens they have great parents (and many fans already).

      • cicely neville

        Ah, but the adorable ones are the worst!

  • Synthia Fagen

    We love you Cindy. You have such a lovely daughter. One day (soon) she will know just how AMAZING her mom really is and what she had to sacrifice to keep her own counsel — something taught and not at all applied inside the cult. When Kara (as well as Cara) finally allows herself to think for herself, really think for herself, she will have an overwhelming resurgence of her own power and a love for you that will never again be sullied or severed.

    Cindy, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for enduring the excruciating pain this must cause you in order to ultimately hold this cult accountable for all who they harm. You have shown such courage and integrity. You have stood up for others. You have my utmost respect and love.

    • i-Betty

      Who could say it any better than Synthia has? I can’t add anything except that I send my love and support (to ALL of you ex-ladies – hear them roar!) and, on your sad days, remember that you are making a better world for Kara when she escapes.

      Lots of love, Betty xxx

      • Sidney18511

        And the ex moms must never forget that EVERYDAY people are “waking up” and walking out of this destructive cult and one day their children will join the mass exodus and reunite with them. Never give up hope. Never.

      • Synthia Fagen

        Awwww, thank you. 🙂

    • cindyplahuta@msn.com

      Thanks for your support! One of the good things that happened on after I left the Cult was that Sindy and I contacted each other after many years of not seeing each other. Mainly because of distance. She has been very supportive and listened to me when I needed a friend. And a much better friend than those that so quickly thru me under the bus.

      • Synthia Fagen

        I hear ya Cindy. It’s really impossible to be a good friend to someone while in the cult. My more people speak up, the more the cult will apply their draconian tactics the more people will eventually see through the BS,

  • Ruby Grapefruit

    One scilon “friend” of many years sent me a disconnection email with a sad face emoticon on it. I’m not losing too much sleep over that one.

    • Sherbet

      That’s almost funny.

    • Veritas

      The value of human life and emotional connections, reduced to a “sad face emoticon”, courtesy of LRH:(

  • Sunny Sands

    Another great contribution from J. Swift, AGP and Karen. You show another view with the juxtaposition of Christian beliefs with scientology doctrine, and it was well done.

    • Illinoisian

      I found this piece (from 1999) while looking up the reference to the “NOTs Scholars Home Page” referenced above (I got lured away by the intriguing titles) that points up the differences between Christian beliefs and COS doctrine in yet another way– by analogy: “If Christians Were To Use Scientologist Methods.”

      http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/NOTs/discussion/christian-analogy.html

    • J. Swift

      Thank you Sunny Sands. We hope Christian bloggers share it within their Faith communities.

  • Silence of the Clams

    So the National Enquirer got it wrong; well who cares? I’m glad they did. This unintended black PR went quite nicely with my eggs and toast this morning.

  • FistOfXenu

    Quick hello to every body. I’m just sitting in this cafe while Mrs FOX does some shopping and skypes the grandkids. The longer she takes the longer I get to stay. 🙂 Good to see you all and see that the cult’s master plan of self destruction is going flawlessly and flublessly.

    • Sherbet

      Hey! We missed your wit and wisdom, but I’m glad you’re relaxing and having a good time this summer.

      • FistOfXenu

        Thanks Sherb. I have to admit I’m feeling a lot calmer in my natural habitat. I need to be around trees. It’s too bad you can’t get the Bunker in a forest but generally I don’t miss electricity and all that stuff.

        • Sherbet

          I know what you mean, FOX. I need to sit on the shore and recharge my batteries. Scientology saps the spirit.

          • George Layton

            When you see an Ocean wave, don’t forget to wave back.

            • Sherbet

              Ha! That would keep me very busy, waving, waving, waving.

        • BananaSplits8

          “I don’t miss electricity and all that stuff.”

          Obviously you have short hair.

          • FistOfXenu

            High and tight. Still high and tight. But Mrs FOX keeps her hair long but she manages it real well. I tell her she should write a blog of beauty tips for the wild but she says how would she maintain it without the internet and anyways most women that get bent up about beauty tips don’t care much for living in the wild so what’s the point? She says they’ll rough it a week or 2 and then go home and get back to how they like things so she doesn’t see the point.

            Me I just like living simple and wild. And lucky for me I found a wife that agrees.

          • FistOfXenu

            High and tight. Still high and tight. But Mrs FOX keeps her hair long but she manages it real well. I tell her she should write a blog of beauty tips for the wild but she says how would she maintain it without the internet and anyways most women that get bent up about beauty tips don’t care much for living in the wild so what’s the point? She says they’ll rough it a week or 2 and then go home and get back to how they like things so she doesn’t see the point.

            Me I just like living simple and wild. And lucky for me I found a wife that agrees.

            • Veritas

              Do you live in the wild?

            • FistOfXenu

              As much as possible. It feels better.

    • aquaclara

      Thanks for the postcard, FOX!! Come back soon!

      • FistOfXenu

        Thanks aquaclara. It’s always good to be with you guys. And it’s turning into a real visit. Mrs FOX decided to add her sister and a few other people to her skype list before we go back. And when her and her sister get talking … well, I’ll maybe have to have lunch without her. But it’s good, I get to catch up with people a little and I’m trying to get highlights of this week’s stories too.

    • i-Betty

      Happy holidays, FOX and Mrs FOX 🙂

      • FistOfXenu

        Thanks! Not really holidays though i-Betty. It’s how we normally live. The last yr and some we’ve had personal stuff keeping us living citified and in 1 place. Now that we can travel more again and aren’t tied to civilization so much we can gradually get back to some kind of normal life except we can’t disappear for months and months at a time like we did before. That’s good. I’m getting a little old for that life now.

  • Studious Judious

    I can’t imagine how guilty I would feel if I Disconnected from my loved ones, and then years later realized they’d been right all along. It would take a lot to overcome that feeling of self-loathing.

    • Sherbet

      It’s good the Remini family left en masse to avoid future complications. Solidarity gets in the way of the cult’s divide-and-conquer M.O.

  • Tony DePhillips

    The disconnection letters are hard to read. These people who claim to be able to confront anything and are becoming all powerful just shrivel up and hide from these “evil” SP’s. IF these “OT’s” were so strong couldn’t they just comfortably listen to what an “SP” has to say?

    • Sherbet

      I agree, Tony. When I was a kid, I wasn’t allowed to stick my nose into a church of another denomination, presumably, so Strange Ideas wouldn’t seep into my head. If one’s faith is strong — even in scientology — what does any church have to fear from outside sources? That’s the revealing bit: A scientologist’s faith can be strong, but the “religion” itself is built upon a weak foundation of wet Charmin, and it can’t withstand outside scrutiny. People who disconnect are simply doing some ecclesiastical form of sticking their fingers into their ears and saying, “I can’t hear you!” You know; like a 5-year-old would.

      • Cher

        Sherbet- My thoughts exactly. I grew up catholic and went to catholic schools. One of the nuns at the school decided to leave and get married and although the other nuns were sad they all maintained contact with her.

        I was also very vocal about my feelings about the church actively shielding child molesters and putting them into new parishes and letting them offend again. And even though I openly and quite loudly told a few bishops and cardinals that I thought they were just as guilty of those crimes, if not more so, I’m still a catholic in good standing. And you know that wouldn’t be the case in CofS.

        If their teachings are so true and their “church” so damn good they shouldn’t be worried about them talking to people who left or have been critical of it? I think they know their teachings and the whole CofS culture can’t withstand any sort of scrutiny. They absolutely piss me the hell off

        • aquaclara

          Same here, Cher. Furious over the Catholic church, but still a Catholic. We won’t discuss donations at the moment, I will admit. My fury is not something that will ever go away. But I am still Catholic.
          As a kid in Clearwater, all of us dropped by other churches with our friends. Somebody’s playing in a bell choir or recital, youth group activities, or because a friend was celebrating a special event. Likewise, they joined us for CYO events, the occasional mass, dances, volunteer events, Christmas celebrations, and fundraisers for our own youth group.
          The priests and ministers also all knew each other. There was a church league soccer league, too. I remember the kerfuffle when the Scinos tried to join. Did not go over well at all. It was already well understood that the Scientologists had a reputation for treating kids very badly, and for aggressive recruitment into the cult, where (it was rumored) you disappeared forever. That battle went on for a few years, as I recall.

          • Cher

            I feel the same way; it doesn’t matter how furious I am or that I don’t agree with a lot of church policy( birth control and gay rights) I’m still a catholic. And honestly, I know quite a few priests who think the whole birth control issue is antiquated and should be changed.

            As a kid we did the same thing too. Nobody ever thought twice about going to another church to watch events or do activities. A lot of the kids at my school weren’t even catholic and they weren’t treated any differently than the kids that were Catholic. I think that is why I have such a hard time swallowing the whole CofS bullshit.

            Interesting story about the church soccer league. You know that just burned the hell out of CofS. I LOVE it! Ha

            • aquaclara

              Oh, the church soccer league nonsense went on for years. The COS fought it heavily. But all the ministers and priests knew, even then, the difference between a cult and a faith. They were concerned about protecting all of us from the cult, rightfully so. Not worried about the influence of other religions….

              The list of church policies I disagree with is too long to list here, and I know many priests who feel the same way, too. A close friend of the family commented that back when many joined, it was also to avoid the draft, especially in a family with several boys. Jobs weren’t plentiful, either, in some places. And many families didn’t have the money for college for their kids. So it was just expected for some of them.

              No one is going to disconnect from us because of what we believe in, or sec check us to make sure we believe in only one set of rules. Thankfully.

        • aboutandout

          I agree with all of your comments. I too grew up with going to other churches. Socializing back and forth. It was wonderful. I am also old enough to remember the very first joint church service between the United church and the Catholic church in our city. It was a huge event that the 2 churches were doing a service together and I was part of making that history. But it was not always as open.

          I grew up in a household where my mother (not my father) reminded us all the time that she would be extremely upset if any of us “married a Catholic”? Personally I could never figure that out and was too young to worry about the threat…lol. I did however end up getting married to a Catholic and she never followed through with her threats because times changed. I did not face disconnection which was her ultimate threat.

          The point with COS is, times change, life evolves. COS continues to apply methods and standards based on the 1940’s / 1950’s the church has never evolved. They live in the past.

          What I find difficult to comprehend is how can you live one part of your life in suppression yet hold down a full time job in the real world??? That one has always puzzled me.

          • Claude

            Aside from acting, they don’t tend to be very useful to society. Greta Van Susteren, for example. Well, I guess she acts, pretending that faux news is news.

      • Observer

        Instead, they pay through the nose for “confront and shatter suppression” training, which of course in Scientology’s Opposite Thetaverse boils down to “run away and disconnect.”

        • Illinoisian

          This one always triggers a deep and irrepressible laugh response in me. I think it’s their skinny little legs and bent knees.

  • TheWidowDenk

    I had a friend who, through her friendship, helped me out a lot after Dr Denk passed in 2004. You know, someone to talk to, someone who cared, and someone to keep informed of my plans. This was a long time friendship lasting over the year of relocating and selling the house, getting me through the rough spots of having lost my husband and post (job), and four years of getting the business affairs settled. I discovered the Independence field in 2010, and liked what I saw and heard. I posted online as “Hallelujah.” In April 2011 I made a statement online and revealed my identity as TheWidowDenk. Immediately after posting my story, I sent a copy to my friend to let her know my position. I have no issue that she disconnected from me as I gave her the choice. I doubt it was enforced upon her, simply her decision based on the actions I had taken to achieve independence of the “church.” To this day, I like to think both our decisions are what are best for each of us. Speaking for myself, I hold no animosity but miss her friendship deeply. I continue to disagree with the enforced disconnection as described in online and print media, and continue to fight this aspect of the “church’s” actions.

    I’m super busy today so please don’t take any lack of further comments on my part as neglect. Rachel

    • TheWidowDenk

      Sorry, that down vote was done by me. I accidentally hit up vote and thought if I hit down vote it would cancel. It didn’t. Sorry ’bout that.

      • TheWidowDenk

        Yes, it did cancel. Now, the pot’s right.

  • Mary_McConnell

    It would not surprise me if the audio and video tapes of sessions of celebrities are sent to CST’s Trementina Base in New Mexico, while the folders themselves are sent to the archives at Int Base. The dryer conditions and airtight space in New Mexico would be conducive to such. Perhaps this is what Margery meant?

    • TonyOrtega

      “Tapes?” What century is this, Mary?

      • Robert Eckert

        In Scientologyland? She meant the Dictaphone belts and daguerrotypes.

        • BananaSplits8

          Yeah, like the ones on the DC-8-like thingies.

          • aquaclara

            Like roll down the window, ring someone up, and other silly things we still say!

            • BananaSplits8

              Yeah, that and spontaneously say you’ll be taking a piss while it rewinds.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I work in a recording studio and we all say so-and-so’s record too.

        • Once_Born

          It’s a nice thought that even digital media degrades with time and neglect – and the huge (and growing) quantity of records that the CofS (some, surely, still in the form of legacy media) is probably neither properly preserved nor catalogued.

          Although {celeb} files likely receive better treatment, the records of any given rank-and-file member must be difficult to find, and possibly decayed.

          May they all rot, crumble and corrupt.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          I am sure they still use mimeograph machines too.

          Scientology: Analog in a digital world.

          No wait…..Even that is giving them to much credit technologically.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Auditor: “I’m sorry, but could you please shout your sex crimes a little louder so the Edison cylinder machine captures a good recording?”

    • ze moo

      I would expect everything from 78 rpm record players to i-pods at the Trementina base. Thank the stars that future civilizations will be able to hear Lron on 8 track tape. Somewhere in that bunker, there is a hall of electronics that won’t work in the future either.

  • USA MRIID

    “excommunicated” — That’s the term that *all* for-profit corporate businesses use when their customers stop handing over their money. Yep. Excommunicated. I have to laugh.

  • USA MRIID

    “Landry reacted by turning in her own mother to church ethics officers.”

    Like something out of Nazi Germany or Pol Pot Communism.

    • WhereIsSHE

      Or like the ending to “Invasion of the Body Snatchers”.

  • USA MRIID

    “but wore a hat and sunglasses”

    What? Guy Fawks wasn’t good enough? 🙂 Good grief, what a night mare. She handed over her money for 20 years and when she mentions just one of the many human rights crimes that Scientology commits, her own daughter terns her in to the Nazi SS.

    You know the irony? She’s responsible for getting her own daughter turned in to a mindless programmed robot that turned on her while at the same time her daughter did her something of a favor by helping to show her that she had been swindled like a clam for 20 years.

    What a nightmare.

  • USA MRIID

    “Scientology’s intelligence wing”

    ROFL! Tony, look at what you just said. LOL.

  • USA MRIID

    “with the confidence that LRH did not choose the wrong man to be at the helm”

    That was David Mayo, ya frothing idiot. The current shitbag lunatic criminal “at the helm” is a crook that hijacked the criminal enterprise from Mayo — which is one of the major reasons why people have stopped being customers of the criminal enterprise.

    • Poison Ivy

      Yes, I say that too : “I can only continue to carry on, with the confidence that LRH did not choose the wrong man to be at the helm. ”

      He didn’t “choose” Miscavige, EVER! Miscavige was like the 20 year old mistress who “falls in love” with the 90 year old millionaire a few years before he croaks. He snaked his way into Hubbard’s inner circle – by ruthlessly destroying everyone else in his way. Mayo, the Broekers, everyone with whom Hubbard might’ve entrusted his legacy (had he been so inclined – I suspect he was too much of a megalomaniac to be able to imagine his empire under any other leader) were all done away with. It was a palace coup.

      These people are brainwashed idiots. Cindy and Matt, kudos to you to be able to see through the lies despite everyone and everything pushing you not to. You are in a better place, with far better people.

      • USA MRIID

        And it worked perfectly, David was never legitimately suspected in Hubbard’s supposed “self medication” that contributed to the old conman’s death, and yet even if David didn’t kill the old man, David walked away with literally $billions$ with his “palace coup.” Just like any Gambino Mafia internal war where the most vicious and insane criminal emerges victorious.

        • Missionary Kid

          At the time, there was also a huge tax burden hangning over the cult. If they had to pay it, it would nearly have bankrupted the cult. In essence, DM also inherited a huge liability.

      • Observer

        Hahahaha, Davey is Anna Nicole Smith to Elron’s J. Howard Marshall. There might be a shoop in there somewhere …

  • Andrew Robertson

    “I don’t want to jeopardize my standing with the Church and eligibility for Solo NOTS”

    These courses must be terribly important to warrant a family disconnection.

    So what are the NOTS? Fortunately Dave Touretzky has assembled a page explaining how they will not only ensure one’s spiritual eternity but also clear the planet!

    ‘The NOTs Scholars Home Page’

    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/NOTs/

    Andrew

    • pronoia

      Yeah, notice the me me me, my my my tone scale.

    • USA MRIID

      Exactly, I also noted that the Solo NOTs are available for free on the Internet. This makes the “disconnection” loon’s stupidity twice stupid.

      • Veritas

        Excellent point indeed.

  • nottrue

    Im looking for a young hubbard lookalike with a photographic memory and great acting skills to send in and take over the cult.of course i will be his lieutenant but its hard to find someone that ugly.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      If Hubbard were to actually come back, Miscavige would have him in jail/ in the hole/ beaten up and locked in a shed in the NM desert/ or shot- pick one.

  • skippress

    Looks like everyone is leaving out the most important thing of all about these “LRH houses.” Namely, is there a fresh pack of Kools on the desk in his office, as was required when he was putatively alive and had an office set aside for him in every organization, just in case he decided to drop by? This would be very important, particularly after a nuclear war, because as we know – since Hubbard told us – smoking cures cancer. And by golly, there’s cancer after nuclear wars. I hope some of our fearless correspondents can provide this information soon.

    • Poison Ivy

      I’m surprised the tobacco companies didn’t jump on Hubbard as a post-mortem spokesperson years ago.

      • WhereIsSHE

        Unlike Hubbard, the tobacco companies knew that their products could CAUSE CANCER, and most definitely understood that their products could not CURE IT!

    • Sherbet

      Skip, I read someplace that the Kools were removed from the offices some years ago, presumably, because of a more enlightened attitude about smoking. Maybe somebody can confirm.

      • ze moo

        I think more likely that the kools were stolen every night by the help.

        • Sherbet

          And by “help” you mean everybody.

          • FistOfXenu

            “Help” like in “Ol’ Man River”. “you and me we sweat and strain, bodies all aching and racked with pain”. The slaves.

      • Semper Phi

        A friend whose dad was in charge of such things at the Stevens Creek Org told me that his dad was told to stop putting Kools in the LRH office, because the Old Man had given them up. I don’t remember if he told me what year that was, though.

    • TheWidowDenk

      1976/1977 LA Org on 9th Street, Los Angeles. I don’t recall seeing a fresh pack of Kools on the desk in LRH’s office.

      • Andrew Robertson

        I have seen references that suggest L Ron Hubbard stopped smoking in the late 1970’s.

        Andrew

        • Missionary Kid

          When were the references written? They could well be historical revisionism on the part of $cions. After all, didn’t they do that with everything about his history?

      • Orglodyte

        I recall the Kools at my org as of the early ’80’s. I seriously wonder if they inspired the CST symbol. The big circles are supposed to be to attract LRH himself; maybe he figured he’d have a serious nicotine jones by the time he made it back to Teegeeack.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Yes, Kools and the ashtray had to be on the desk whenever a White Glove was ordered for a Sea Org’s LRH Office, at least I can confirm up to mid 80’s.

          I ran down the rabbit hole, however, to search for Picayune cigarettes. So far all the references I’ve found, which are few, state these were discontinued some time in the 60’s. Maybe he found a warehouse of stale leftovers. There Does seem to be a Picayune brand of tobacco which is now used for pipes.

          Hah! Here’s a reference to the pipe tobacco calling the former “Cult Cigarettes”.

          Well, isn’t That perfect?

          http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_can_you_buy_picayune_cigarettes

          Oh, and Picayune’s were tear your head off Strong cigarettes, so if Hubbard was smoking them to cut down, that would be the last brand you would want to puff, so for him, the Gaming King of Opposites, it makes perfect sense.

          http://www.cigarettespedia.com/index.php/BrandPicayune

          http://i39.tinypic.com/2rmun1c.jpg

          • Orglodyte

            King of Opposites, I love it! One of the most Orwellian things about him. I wonder if anyone has ever said more things that were the precise opposite of the truth. We always deliver what’s promised. The only game where everyone wins. Who said it here? In Scientology, every day is Opposite Day.

          • TonyOrtega

            I saw those references on the ‘net to Picayune being defunct since the 1960s, but they didn’t seem very authoritative. It was Jim Dincalci who told me — and who witnessed it personally — that Hubbard, in the late 1970s, had given up KOOLs for Picayunes. I don’t think he’d be off by a decade.

            • WhereIsSHE

              I’m amazed he didn’t switch to Belair, with the “piece of blue sky” on the package and all:
              http://www.cigarettespedia.com/images/8/84/Belair_16.jpg
              (plus the fact that Belairs, like KOOLs, are menthol)

              Never heard of Picayunes/didn’t even know they existed until just now, reading here about Hubbard making the switch to them, but I like the idea of him purposely switching to a brand whose names means “of little value or importance”, “petty”, “trivial”.

            • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

              Tony,

              Ask Steve Sarge Pfauth. If LRH stopped smoking, or not, in the end, and when exactly.

              Sarge would have been buying Ron’s cigarettes, Sarge would know for sure.

              Chuck

          • ze moo

            The menthol in kools was supposed to rot your lungs out faster then plain tobacco. Switching to plain tobacco may have extended Lron life by a few years.

    • TonyOrtega

      We learned in our obit of Kima Douglas that in the late 1970s, the Commodore gave up KOOLs for “Picayune” brand cigarettes in an attempt to cut down smoking. But we suppose it is the KOOLs that LRH will always be associated with.

      http://tonyortega.org/2013/01/26/kima-douglas-1942-2013/

  • aquaclara

    The Trementina Base photos are good…and the reader comments about the “space ship landing strip” are pretty funny.

    • Robert Eckert

      The pictures may not even be new, but culled from the aerial photography done by this local station five years ago:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGyWfQyORgw

      • TonyOrtega

        The photos are new. I talked to the reporter who was responsible for them and sold them to the Enquirer and DM.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          DM? hah. Hope you overcharged in that case.

          • TonyOrtega

            I had nothing to do with them. I just talked to the reporter who was involved.

            • Sherbet

              Miss Grundy here. I suggest you amend your second sentence as follows: “I talked to the reporter who was responsible for them and who sold them to the Enquirer and Daily Mail.” It reads funny as-is.

            • WhereIsSHE

              But Sherbet… I mean.. Miss Grundy;)…his grammar is correct as it was written.

              The “sold them to the Enquirer and DM” would only have related back to Tony as the subject (“I”) had he placed a comma between “them” and “and”.

              As it is written, the “responsible for them” and “sold them” are compound predicates which relate to the indirect object (“the reporter”). (I think;)

            • Sherbet

              I know it’s correct, but can you see how it could be misunderstood? I still would stick a “who” in there to be really clear. But this is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things. Carry on.

              Signed,
              Miss Grundy

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I’ve been getting a lot wrong today and it’s only my second day of No Bad Carbs week. sheesh.

            • Sandy

              Carbs are bad?? Say it ain’t so!

            • sister wendy

              they cause massive engrams….fat belly engram, heart failure engram, blubbery butt engram…..

            • Robert Eckert

              {Auditing can help with that}

            • sister wendy

              I knew there was something I forgot to work out in session;)

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I thought the same thing, but then again, I just overloaded on some carbs. Mmmmmmmmm!

  • USA MRIID

    “tells us the logo is there to help guide L. Ron Hubbard’s “thetan” back
    to earth once he’s ready to return after his death in 1986”

    The insane conman visited Venus and the Van Allen Belts (once he first heard about them and dropped some primo quality LSD) but yeah, after the endless drugs and alcohol punctured endless holes in the insane conman’s brain, I could see how the stupid fuck would need some help finding the toilet leave alone Trementina.

  • ze moo

    As the UK’s other large paper, The Sun, has erected a paywall, who speaks for the UK? I suppose the Daily Mail will do, though I am fond of the BBC’s web site.

    The circles in the desert are from the Kool cigarette logo. This way the space traveling engram that is Lroon will be restimulated to land there. Wait a minute, wasn’t $cientology supposed to cleanse your mind of such ‘stimulations’??

    Laura Prepon is getting some ink for perhaps leaving “Orange is the new Black” netfilx show. Supposedly her lesbian drug addict character is not up to $cieno ‘standards’. I doubt that, she worked with Chelsea Handler on her short lived TV show last year and Handler is one of the few to make fun of the clams. Any association with clamdon has become reason for tabloid attention. I sort of like that.

    http://www.newnownext.com/is-laura-prepon-leaving-orange-is-the-new-black-because-of-scientology/08/2013/

    http://www.tvpredictions.com/answerwoman285081613.htm

    • Cheryl

      I think all of us in the UK need to start lobbying public broadcast institutions like the BBC and Channel 4 to do more on the subject, not just a couple of sentences in a news bulletin. Also the more reputable press not just the DM and the Sun which are both really rags even if the DM has a huge online following.

      • Nevermore

        How many of us in the Bunker are Brits?

        • Cheryl

          There seem to e a few of us.

          • Nevermore

            Well, I’m happy to hassle the Beeb. And we could try local TV stations in areas where there is a $cio presence. We can get that info off their official site. The Telegraph and the Grauniad might be the papers to go to. And the Metro, which had a large readership, because it’s given away on buses!

            • Cheryl

              I did send a tweet to The last leg as well on channel 4 #IsItOk to ask where is Shelley? but no response!

  • pronoia

    Oh Lord! Those pictures of Trementina are wonderful, and to see them splashed all over the “my mother is the spawn of an alien” Nat Enquirer and the Daily Mail is perfect.

    Lori Hodgson. What can I say — what has happened to her is any mother’s worst nightmare,and I hope that her children can wake up and have the courage to just leave. If Marc and Claire Headley, who were also raised in the sea org can do it, they can as well.

  • Sidney18511
  • Sidney18511

    Just thinking what a shame it is that the helicopter that flew over that base didn’t have some “truth rundown” brochures regarding Shelly and all the other recent media news that they could of spread like snow all over that damn base! Dontcha think?

    • TonyOrtega

      There are only one or two workers there. Lot of effort for two CST workers.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Party pooper. 😛

        No more effort than those folks out there putting LRH’s word salad on stainless plates for eternity.

  • i-Betty

    The latest video 🙁

    I didn’t expect to cry at the end when that beautiful choir music played. I think it was listening to the purity and the beauty of a best friend’s love put into words, and comparing it to the ugly truth of what has been done to so many families like Lori’s and Synthia’s and Cindy’s and, of course, Karen’s; suddenly it was too much and I was just crying and crying. I’m having a really bad scientology day. I can’t bear the sadness and the loss and the cruelty. It seems never-ending sometimes.

    How do these mothers cope? How do they get up in the morning and face the day ahead without their children?

    I hate you, scientology. I hate you and ALL you stand for.

    Love to all of you, and love to Beth. What a friend.

    PS. I can’t cope with it today, and I’m away this weekend, but I will be back in a couple of days and I will be ready again. Love to you all xxx

    • Sherbet

      That’s the best thing to do, Betty — just get away from it, the Bunker, the tabloids, the Huff Post references. We’ll see you when you’re ready.

    • aquaclara

      More hugs to you, I-Betty. I feel the same way. The tissue box that sits right next to my computer is now empty. The song has been in my head all morning. Suppressa Looza interviewed Kyle’s mother Victoria and for her, too, another mom to hold in our thoughts.
      Sending love to all the moms and dads hurting today. And special thanks to all the great friends who stay connected.

    • FistOfXenu

      i-Betty. It can be pretty rough here some times. Have a few days of peace and don’t think about this stuff. Take care of yourself.

    • Poison Ivy

      We Love You Betty!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Be well Betty. We’ll save a few snickersnorts for ya.

    • GlibWog

      Awww Our sweet Betty. you have so much love to give. When you are ready you just come back and we will all be waiting for you. Love Baby Glibby
      *******I HATE YOU SCIENTOLOGY I HATE YOU AND ALL YOU STAND FOR! ******

  • Veritas

    Disqus isn’t working for me today (I can only see a fraction of the posts) so this may have been posted already:

    http://www.mikerindersblog.org/beggars-banquet-update/

    I have to admit, I really like Mike’s blog, and it’s nice he gives credit to Tony’s reporting.

    “As time goes by the “reasons” to give become more and more “creative.” It’s like a convention of snake oil salesman gathered around a table — those with the best (most pathetic?) pitches will get to eat from the ever-diminishing amount of meat left on the few remaining carcasses. As the salesman get hungrier, their pleas become louder, more frequent and more insane.”

  • nottrue

    Im a tough dog but the Lori Hodgson video made me weep

  • aquaclara

    Cindy and Matt, I am so sorry about the loss of your friends, and most especially, your daughter. It is unimaginable that this can go on, and I just wanted to send hugs your way today. I pray that your family returns to you soon.

  • Kimberly Crawley

    @WildaBeast Because tomorrow is only the first day they’re showing their “Industry of Death” propaganda, it’s not the only day we’re protesting. Please come whenever between the 17th and the 30th you’re willing and able!

    Thank you everyone here for your emotional support. If you can’t be in Toronto, please pass the message on. I have connections to the Toronto Police, so uniformed and plainclothes will be there to try and protect us from “fair game.”

    Unlike the LAPD (Shelly’s missing? NO, she’s FINE!), the “TOPD” has a very negative opinion of the Co$, and at previous T.O. protests, their attitude has always been, “protect the peaceful protesters from the Scilions.”

    The RCMP and CSIS are doing a thorough investigation of the Co$ in Toronto, and that’s all I’m allowed to say about that.

    • Studious Judious

      Thank you

    • cicely neville

      Oh Kimberly – I love my Canadian neighbors, love love love you. The RCMP rocks!

      • nessness

        thank you for the love, but the RCMP – in big trouble, really not rocks, check out the lawsuits, the death of the polish immigrant in the Vancouver airport, many deaths in custody…. the horsemen have some explaining and some serious coming to grips with reality to do. But cheers to the Toronto PD, nice to see they are getting it. I’ll be with you in spirit, although across the prairies in person.

    • KJP in Portland

      Bless you.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Alright! Upstate New York gettin’ it done. 😉

      • sugarplumfairy

        John P would be proud..

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          My exact inspiration.

    • GlibWog

      Kimberly.. be safe sweetie.. and Thank you.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    Cindy’s friend makes clear that Cindy and her children remained close until they were in 18 and 20. Giving a child that kind of loving, long term relationship, in a loving home, serves that child well his/her entire life. As the lights dim in Miscavige’s “prison camp,” those members with somewhere to go, will go there. I have no doubt that Cindy’s children will find their way home in the not too distant future.

    • WhereIsSHE

      I think you meant Lori.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Thanks for catching that, I corrected the comment

  • Nevermore

    Disqus, I hate you! That is all.

  • Satansthetan

    If you audit yourself (solo NOTS) do you then have to write down everything you said and let higher ups review it?

    • dbloch7986

      Yes. Solo Auditing is done with the cans in one hand separated by a piece of plastic (that costs $50). You write everything down with the other hand.

      There are two extensive training courses (the Solo Course and OT VI) that ‘teach’ you how to audit yourself.

  • Satansthetan

    or are you aware all is being taped and or videoed?

    • 0tessa

      Yes.

      • Satansthetan

        Yes to you have to report on your own session or awareness of taping or both?

    • dbloch7986

      Yes most Scientologists know they are being video and audio taped. Back in the day the microphone was hidden behind the e-meter “shield”. Now they have upgraded their technology so you hardly see it. Scientologists are told they are recorded so that if “anything goes wrong” in their session, it can be looked back on.

      Anytime you walk onto Church property you are on video tape from just before you enter the door until you leave. Cameras are hidden everywhere. Scientologists are so used to it that they don’t even think about it. Plus the cameras are strategically hidden.

      • Satansthetan

        Thank you for explaining that! One more question whenever you have time, what are twin sessions? (Have a friend who has been a public for ages who never tries to convert me but does sometimes marvel aloud at the merits of his “religion”, and has recently shared he is doing these twin sessions)
        Also congrats for shaking off the shackles and blowing, that must have been grueling. Lets hope soon a whole lo of them regain their reason and return to this wonderful, imperfect yet marvelous world of FREEDOM!!

  • Jvm3

    In the second disconnection letter, the guy is under the impression that LRH “chose” Miscavige to succeed him. Everything I’ve ever heard says this is not true, that Pat Broeker was the likely replacement and Miscavige strong-armed his way to the top. But does anyone here know exactly *how* this went down? Was there ever any sort of vote for COB? Is there even a board to be chaired? I’d love to learn the actual story.

  • FistOfXenu

    I’ll say good by for now, my fellow Bunkerites. It’s been great being here so much of today. I’ll be back. My better half sends a mighty big howdy too.

    • Sherbet

      Hope to see you soon. Did you bring His Eminence along with you? Haven’t seen richelieu around for awhile, either.

      • Captain Howdy

        The rumor is that France has a holiday that lasts the entire month of August and everybody goes to the beach. Hmmm, I wonder if the Germans ever heard about this?

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Yeah, it makes them delirious with the idea that France is “easy pickins’ ” Just kidding y’all….

      • FistOfXenu

        As far as I know I don’t know anybody here except here. He’ll show up.

    • Studious Judious

      Enjoy the great outdoors, I’m jealous.

  • Mark

    I can’t help feeling there’s an advertising opportunity being missed here:

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      E Ron in the sky with diamonds!

  • Cat Daddy

    http://libertydwells.com/showthread.php?17764-Brit-Paper-Exposes-Scientology-s-Secret-Lair&s=0f6d32d01633d5da2c16b6465e6327a8&p=160252#post160252

    “I wonder if the circles with the diamonds symbols signify L. Ron’s fond
    remembrance of a hooker he frequented while imagining up Xenu and the
    Thetans?

  • Wheres Shelly

    The two interlocking circles at Trementina Base constitute a sacred geometric shape known as the Vesica Piscis. This extremely potent symbol has an intriguing history and represents the womb of the universe among many other things. Within the vesica can be found the triangle, the tetrad, the square, the pentacle, and many more polygons, making the vesica a true symbolic womb. Pythagoras referred to it as the ‘measure of the fish’. So does Miscavige know his symbols or is there another hidden hand at work here? I suspect the latter.

    The glyph is not restricted to any religion or belief, in fact it is used more frequently than not in heraldry, decoration, Freemasonry* and all major religious art around the globe, routinely as a frame for holy figures.
    The Pope wears a hat shaped like a fish called a mitre, it’s correct title being ‘fish head mitre of Babylon’ which is where his religion descended from – Ba’al worship which is really sun worship, of which Christ is a solar symbol moving through the astrological houses.

    Interestingly, it is often employed due to its pure symmetrical mathematical structure, whereby it can be read as a point of reference by an electronic surveillance device such as sensors, radar or other technology and dates back beyond Pythagoras.

    And what’s significant about that? In earlier times, this glyph was associated with the Goddess Venus, and represented female genitalia and regeneration or rebirth in general. Early depictions of Christ depict him as an infant within the vesica (In this context, it is usually referred to as a mandorla, meaning ‘almond shaped.’), which represented the womb of Mary, and often, the coming together of heaven and earth in the body of Jesus (part man, part god).

    As such, it is also a doorway or portal between worlds, and symbolizes the intersection between the heavens and the material plane. Thus we’re back to the extraterrestrial connection again which explains a lot about Mr. Miscavige.

    • Poison Ivy

      Ironic, that the symbol used to signal Hubbard’s return would signify a cosmic womb. Given that wombs in general seemed to give LRH the heebie jeebies.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        BAAHAAAHAAAA!!!

      • George Layton

        Maybe it was put there to repel him instead.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I’m extracting from the whole enchilada: “Fish Head of Babble On”

        but I could tack on “From Sector 33 of Heebie Jeebie”.

    • BananaSplits8

      I suspect you gave it more thought than Hubbard did.

    • TonyOrtega

      CST was incorporated while Hubbard was still alive. And the closest El Ronito ever got to extraterrestrial contact was that time he surfed the Van Allen Belt on benzedrine. Nice try, though.

      • Missionary Kid

        Since Hubbard was not small of stature, I think he should be called El Ronillo, while his successor should be called El Davito, or little Dave.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          how about
          Ai! Perdito!

          • Missionary Kid

            I’ll add that one too.

    • Missionary Kid

      To be a skeptic, just look at he front of Kool cigarettes.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KOOL_Milds.png

      • ThetaBara

        That doesn’t necessarily mean it isn’t also an ancient symbol, though.

        • Missionary Kid

          Agreed, but I believe that Hitler didn’t adopt the swastika because it was an ancient symbol. It’s believed that he saw it in the wood carvings in his church as he sat in the choir loft.

          I think that the linked circles have a much simpler explanation as well. LRH stole things from all sorts of sources. He was also lazy. He may have known about some of the mythological basis for the symbol, but how much was he really into mythological symbolism? I think he borrowed symbols, then used them wherever he wanted.

          The Kool package fits Occam’s Razor, but that doesn’t mean it’s the correct reason.

          • BananaSplits8

            In the 21st century, I think Hubbard’s chosen screen name would’ve been “TheresACupOfCoffeeInFrontOfMe”

          • ThetaBara

            That’s why I said “also.” 😉 There are symbols and geometric designs that appear over and over again, across cultures even. It’s quite fascinating.

            • Missionary Kid

              We’re on the same page.

        • ze moo
          • Mark

            • Gerome

              Love that!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Thanks. Was looking for that the other day. Love it.

          • Missionary Kid

            AMEN!

    • Mark

      I think you’re multiplying your hypotheses unnecessarily, apart from the radar-sensor point-of-reference idea, which would certainly fit in with Hubbard returning in his flying-saucer!

      Vesica Piscis means ‘fish-bladder’ in Latin, because fish’s swim-bladders are usually ovoid in form, and while it is a decorative shape of undoubted antiquity, probably had no more (and no less) symbolic significance than other motifs: egg-and-dart, key-pattern, &c. It’s only the central () -shaped part of the Sciloon ground-markings that’s a vesica.

      The fish-shaped bishop’s mitre relates to the ichthys, the fish-symbol used by Christians during the Roman empire’s persecution of the early church, and not to any putative Baal-worship. That canard originates in Alexander Hislop’s delightfully loopy but hugely inaccurate book The Two Babylons which is an extreme Protestant attempt to prove that everything in Catholicism was pagan – even the cross. The Pope was traditionally represented as wearing a triple crown or tiara rather than a mitre – as in the ‘Pope’ Tarot card.

      Still, you might just be on to something; perhaps there are extraterrestrial forces at work in fashion-houses and hospitals too!

      • Robert Eckert

        The bishop’s mitre appears to have originated with the white peaked crown worn by James brother of Jesus as the leader of the original community in Jerusalem. It was a style of royal crown found from Anatolia, as in this Hittite example

        http://users.stlcc.edu/mfuller/mare/279hittiteYazilikayaBigFigure195.jpg

        or the “Phrygian cap” which became a symbol of liberty but was originally a royal crown

        http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Bust_Attis_CdM.jpg/220px-Bust_Attis_CdM.jpg

        down to Egypt where it was half of the “double crown”

        http://www.ancientegypt.co.uk/pharaoh/explore/images/double.gif

        However, it has nothing whatsoever to do with Babylon (essentially EVERYTHING that Hislop says in his book is false; like Joseph Smith, he could not even seem to say anything right by accident). James wore it as the heir of the Davidite lineage, in contrast to the Herodian kings who wore the “circlet” style of crown.

        • Mark

          I read Hislop for the giggles, especially in the acres of italic and exclamation-strewn footnotes, and the supposed ‘etymologies’, which are a Freudian hoot. The best one I’ve found so far is “it is generally acknowledged that TART signifies going around, or coming across.”

          • Robert Eckert

            If Joseph Smith was the 19th century’s L. Ron Hubbard, Hislop was the Erich von Daeniken or Zachariah Sitchin

    • dbloch7986

      I think Mark made a better point down there with this strange connection to KOOL cigarettes… You know, the ones that Hubbard smoked?

      Interlocking circles form an aesthetically pleasing shape. Just like red, white and blue form an aesthetically pleasing color combination. Just like cars that are sloped towards their rear ends are aesthetically pleasing.

      Everything symbolizes something. But the symbolic nature is in the eye of the beholder only.

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Exactly!
        Occams Razor!
        Don’t expect LRH to understand or relate to anything besides the Kools.

    • J. Swift

      Wheres Shelly, an excellent short essay on the Vesica Piscis. What I can add is that the Church of Scientology is expert at the theft of potent esoteric and mathematical symbols, among them the circle, triangle, the Cross, the Fibonacci sequence, the Vesica Piscis, etc.

      Hubbard took sacred symbols cataloged and discussed by Aliester Crowley, Manly P. Hall, Masonic authors and other writers and symbologists for use in Scientology iconography. Hubbard then copyrighted these ancient symbols to complete his theft and desecration of ancient symbols.

      If nothing else, the landmarks at Trementina, Twin Peaks, and Capitola can be used when COB and his guests fly in by helicopter to take a tour.

      http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/sadhu77/article-0-16D65117000005DC-525_634x523.jpg

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Nice picture. DM ducking to go under the blades? Seriously? Bwahahahaha. And why are the ladies laughing? Because of where DM’s left hand is?

      • Claude

        “Scientology is expert at the theft of potent esoteric and mathematical symbols…..”

        Stop. Full stop.

      • Missionary Kid

        I would think that they’d fly in using a fixed wing aircraft.
        I’m betting that picture was not taken at Trementina.

      • Claude

        Everyone is wearing heels, except the actress

  • DamOTclese2
  • Observer

    From the South Coast Mission’s FB page. If they won the Birthday Game, I doubt they have the means to pay a receptionist $10 an hour now (unless the missions are run very differently than the orgs).

    • sister wendy

      Isn’t it just more fun?!?!!!!!!!! PRETTY SOON THEY WILL JUST BE USING ALL CAPS!!!!!!!!!

      • Observer

        Exclamation marks are so theta!!!!!!!!!!

        • sister wendy

          !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Mark

            ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡AYAYAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            • sister wendy

              ok- well I think we’ve just cleared everyone’s engrams with that round

            • Robert Eckert

              Are the inverted exclamation points entheta?

            • sister wendy

              no- that’s his foray into magical thinking;)

            • Observer

              Show-off!!!!!!!!!

          • Observer

            You are super theta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • sugarplumfairy

      Bait and switch in action..

    • KJP in Portland

      I’m more than certain that the “Pays $10.00/hour” posting language was to conform with California labor law requirements and nothing else.

      • Observer

        I agree.

  • TheLurkingHorror

    Ugh! It just makes you want to scream at these people, “Use your brain,
    THINK for yourselves!”, but it wouldn’t do any good. It always makes me
    sad to read these letters, but THIS is what people really need to know
    about this organization. The disconnection and other abuses. People need
    to know about the coercion involved that can make people do these
    things that they would never dream of doing otherwise. The Xenu thing is
    amusing to the general public, but they tend to think it is just a
    wacky but innocuous belief. It gets their foot in the door, but letters
    like these are the things they really what they need to see. Thank you,
    Tony, for putting it all out there. And thanks to Leah Remini it is
    starting to get the publicity it deserves. Thanks to all of you brave
    souls who help bring it to the light of day.

    (sorry if this posted twice. Blame it on Disqus). 😉

    • sister wendy

      the letters are so hard to read, aren’t they? You just WANT TO SHAKE THE PEOPLE UP (say as if you are shaking up a cocktail, it’s more fun). The only way I can think of to respond is to say: “Hey, Bozo! I DID the homework you FAILED to do! YOU are out-ethics! Get your ass in gear and look for yourself!”

  • Cat Daddy
  • media_lush

    just a tiny little soupçon from todays Dlisted

  • Observer

    So Mr. Observer just got home from work, and as he came in he singsonged “I got you a preeeeeeesent!” Three guesses what it was. I can’t believe he actually bought it!

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      A copy of the Enquirer. Or a newer version of PS?

      • Observer

        It’s not just the Enquirer–it’s the Secret Scientology Files edition of the Enquirer! (FTR, I would never in a million years have bought it myself.)

        This is extremely out of character for Mr. Observer. He would always get the Weekly World News though.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          What did I win?

          • Observer

            A shiny new upvote!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Bah Humbug! I want a shoop in my honor. I can get upvotes all day if I just type F$$K DM.

            • Observer

              Okay, okay … I’ll think of something

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              That was too easy…..hmmmmmm. What to ask for next? 😉

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              If they are easy,…always go for a loan….

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Excellent. You are now my “manager”. What’s your fee?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              How much do you have in all accounts and on your credit cards? Can we get that credit limit raised. Here, i have the card swiper in my purse,…hand over the plastic.
              And let me see your teeth….

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Downvote for regging me.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Upvote for not being a sucker!

      • Observer

        Are you still here?

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          YO!

          • Observer

            It’ll be up in about 20 minutes. I think you will be pleased.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Thinking little blue pills thoughts about “up in 20 minutes”…..yeah, I’m 13 inside my own head.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Oy Vey…..
              Whacks you…SPF style!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Hey, the Cardinal isn’t around, so somebody has got to fill the Bunker perv role, right?

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Yah! Where the fuk is he????

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              He’s French, it’s August. Enuf said.

            • GlibWog

              Jeeze are you guys having a party? I am just getting caught up!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Shit, from the looks of it, you’ve been here all day. I’ve only been posting for a few hours at this point.

            • GlibWog

              Nope.. Actually been sleeping most of the day Mr. Wrong… I’ve been over to Rinder’s snoopin and here and there. I love to watch Youtube Videos of protests..

              ( Gawwwwd I have to get a life..ha) but it is so much fun… Such is my life ( I don’t drink, don’t chase men, and don’t gamble..) it’s my only vice.

              Damn I wish I still smoked though.. ( I really don’t ) but these E Cigs are not Quite the same as a good old Marlboro light! sigh

            • Claude

              LOL. Americans like to brag about their cars. The French like to brag about their vacations.

            • Observer

              K. Refresh. It’ll be up at the top.

            • Bury_The_Nuts

              Why cant I like this more….it is Fuckin funny!!!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            Ooooh, you got a O shoop? U gonna be famous?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Yep, and I did it all by myself. No managerial help needed. Youz off the case woman. I’m disconnecting.

    • sister wendy

      I have to say I love how Tom’s face is looking puffy.

      • Observer

        I don’t know if he got surgery, or had some kind of non-surgical procedure, but it looks like his face has been laminated.

        • sister wendy

          looks like slight bloating to me….an allergic reaction to too many clams

      • Sidney18511

        I KNOW!!! I started noticing the puff about the time Katie left him.

        • sister wendy

          alcohol will do that;)

    • Ruby

      What a guy! Lucky girl.

      • Observer

        Indeed! 🙂

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      You got yourself a trophy husband!

      Hey, that was so thoughtful. You lucky girl. Breakfast in bed ….next?

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Haha…that is awesome!
      Mr. Nuts caught me the minute I walked in the door and wanted to know if I had heard of the secret base in New Mexico (gasp!).
      Apparently he read the entire Daily Fail article!
      I was so impressed.

      • Semper Phi

        I sat next to a woman on the subway this afternoon who was reading the whole article, not just looking at the pictures. Heh.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          How cool. As much as I have mixed feelings about the more tabloid type articles….my inner J&Der kicks in and I say fuck it. The shit is just too funny.

          Too bad it had such an evil dark side that needs more exposure than those celebrity idiots PC folders.

          • Nevermore

            I suspect ridicule leaves Little Boots purple-faced and incoherent with rage – being written about in The Enquirer must be as ridiculous as it gets!

        • sugarplumfairy

          she’d have been awestruck if she knew who she was sitting next to, Semper..

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            No kidding! I was!

        • Robert Eckert

          Even men read the article, despite the complete absence of tits in the pictures!

          • Bury_The_Nuts

            LOL, Mr. Nuts just asked me AGAIN if I read the whole article. DUH!

            Who is this man?
            Apparently he doesn’t even know me!!!

      • Ruby

        wow….another lucky gal!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Yeah, my close friends all ask me if I’ve heard such-and-such about whatever the scilon scandal of the moment is. Duh! Of course, you’re not gonna scoop ME. I read the Bunker.

    • Nevermore

      Not quite a gift-wrapped bottle of Chanel’s finest, but it’s up there!

  • sister wendy

    regarding the Headley’s: Go Devil Spawn, Go!

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Those are some damn cute demon spawns those Headley’s made!

      • sister wendy

        aren’t they! Devil spawn with cuteness….this could be a reality show…too cute demon spawn

  • Jeb Burton

    Are all these ex-scientologists saying that when they were in, they never disconnected from anyone? Everyone one of them seems to have a sad sorry of disconnection and are shocked their life long friends and family have disconnected from them. And it is truly sad. But I wish you would ask them Tony, have they ever participated in disconnection themselves when they were in? its hard to believe all of the scientologists you talk to have never done it themselves, when it appears to be so widespread. LRH himself said “failure or refusal to disconnect from a SP is a suppresive act in itself”.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Yeah, not sure why they all have the “I’m soooo surprised my friends disconnected from me” attitude. They all knew it was an ongoing policy. I too feel terrible every time I read one of the these letters, but damn, head in the sand much?

    • TheWidowDenk

      “Are all these ex-scientologists saying that when they were in, they never disconnected from anyone?” Nope, not me. However, the last time this kind of thing came up in my section of the universe was 1985. I believe the SP declares and subsequent disconnections have accelerated in more recent years.

      “Everyone one of them seems to have a sad sorry of disconnection and are shocked their life long friends and family have disconnected from them.” The published ones give that impression, yes. I’m not shocked, probably more surprised.

      “But I wish you would ask them Tony, have they ever participated in disconnection themselves when they were in?” Yes, I have.

      “its hard to believe all of the scientologists you talk to have never done it themselves, when it appears to be so widespread.” It is widespread from what I’ve read online. This is at wild variance with how it used to be in the “olden days.”

      “LRH himself said ‘failure or refusal to disconnect from a SP is a suppressive act in itself’.” I’m thinking this is a relatively correct quote although I didn’t research it. However, and this point has been made before, one cannot verbally declare someone an SP and enforce disconnection from said SP. One also cannot publish an issue that says someone is an SP without ensuring the person gets a copy. Many declares are being made without the due course of justice and then, of course, the enforced disconnection comes in. That’s what you are reading about.

      • Missionary Kid

        I believe that it’s because there are so many fewer $cientologists left and that the disconnections are probably proceeding at the same rate, that it becomes more noticeable to people who are still “in.”

      • Bury_The_Nuts

        Thank You Widow Denk for verifying the obvious!!!!

    • Ms. B. Haven

      I used to be ‘in’ and I never disconnected from anyone. That said, I was also an ethics office in a mission for a while and I certainly encouraged others to disconnect if they were connected to an ‘SP’. I think it is just about impossible to have been a staff member and not committed some outrageous acts against ones fellow man. It’s just the nature of the beast. I could spend a lot of time telling stories of some pretty nasty things that I did. So what. If you’re human you have done some pretty nasty things in your past that you certainly regret just like the rest of us. The difference is some of us have learned from our mistakes and are trying our best not to do those sorts of things again. Some of us who were ‘in’ are here to take responsibility for our past actions by owning up to them and making up the damage where we can. Some of us just want to tell our stories in hopes that we will get thru to others who may be struggling and provide some sort of support in what ever way possible. When I broke free, I did it pretty much on my own. It would have been easier with some help. So, just because I was once ‘in’ and make a lot of mistakes and bad choices, doesn’t mean that I am going to be carrying around that corpse of regret forever. Time to move on, help others and live life.

    • Claude

      Are you saying there is something wrong with ex-scientologists? Give me a break. They got out.

  • Xique

    Dear Cindy I’m not disconnecting bla bla bla . But I am disassociating bla bla bla .
    What a jerk.

    • sister wendy

      totally! Dork friend!

    • Nevermore

      Yeah, either be a real friend and tell the {church} to feck off, or be a $ciloon friend and disconnect. Don’t try to sit on the fence!

  • Jeb Burton

    If that was my daughter, I would be having a disconnection party. Not exactly a heartbreaking story of disconnection.

  • Unex Skcus

    I’m really worried about the landing strip at Trementina Base. It’s only a mile long, and I don’t think that’s enough for a DC-8.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Its OK…”those” DC-8’s don’t have wings anyhow….they just tuck and roll.

    • Missionary Kid

      Who says he’s coming back in a DC-8 style craft?

      I think it’s possible to land one there, but it would probably need to be a cool day, because with an altitude of 6300 ft., the hotter it gets, and the faster the airplane has to fly just to stay in the air.

      I doubt if the runway could handle the weight of a DC-8. By the way, even though the airport is listed
      as San Miguel Ranch Airport, with the identifier of NM53, and the GPS coordinates are listed, and it’s on all the charts, the listing has the following notation: Additional Remarks – OWNER
      DESIRES ARPT NOT BE CHARTED
      Airport Ownership and Management from official FAA records
      Ownership Privately-owned
      Owner:
      SAN MIGUEL RANCH
      PO BOX 2534
      LAS VEGAS, NM 87701
      Phone
      505-641-5340
      Manager:
      LINDA DUNAGIN
      PO BOX 2534
      LAS VEGAS, NM 87701
      Phone
      575-641-5340

      Both area codes are New Mexico, but Linda Dunagin’s number is for an area further east.
      Is she still a calm? Does anyone know her?

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    Just phenomenal reporting Tony!

    Such important evidence, for you to publish recent disconnection letters!

    The letters reek of the coercive awful choices that the Hubbard rules subject the members to.

    The Hubbard crank pseudo-therapy and the secret (no longer) exorcism (OT levels 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7) are all free on the internet anyways, to anyone who still wants to look up what the supposed spiritual goodies are at the end of the Hubbard rainbow.

    Quitting is free, and lets one look on the internet for free and see all the Hubbard secrets, all free and leaked!

    • Claude

      Ditching ones family for fear of missing out on Solo NOTS, is behaving insane to learn more insanity. And, as you point out, it’s all free for anyone to access.

  • sister wendy

    ok- my mom moved into a hospital bed today, and went from being completely mobile to being in a wheel chair for all movement. I’m watching her lose her independence day by day and am reminded viscerally how short life is and how important love is. Life is too short to make disconnection breaks….it is so not worth it in the end. It makes me so sad to think of these people believing with their whole hearts that their eternity will be compromised if they don’t break with a person they love. I can’t believe I ever thought that. It’s just fucking stupid, is what it is.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Awww Wendy, sorry to hear it. I have been through it with both of mine (parents) and it is a difficult thing. I wish you strength and peace.

    • Sandy

      sister girl, my mama (age 94) is now in a wheelchair & assisted living. It is hard. All this just happened in January. Dammit. My Mom always took care of EVERYTHING, and I always counted on her to take care of me – sounds dumb, but it’s true.

      • Missionary Kid

        In Transactional Analysis (yes, I know it’s dated, but the terminology is useful), we exist in 3 states. First, as a child to our parents (or other adults), then as an adult to other adults, and, hopefully our parents, and, when we have children, we take on the role of parent.

        Some people never leave the child-parent role in dealing with their parents. Usually, relationships become more of an adult-adult relationship as one matures. The state that I don’t remember TA covering is when the parent becomes elderly. Then, it is often necessary to assume the role of a parent to one’s adult parents.

        That can be hard on both the child and the parent. Some parents are very resistant to giving up any freedom, even though they are not physically able to do what they want. For a child, making the transition is difficult because they often see their parent as this mighty force, as they did when they were a child.

        I think it’s more difficult to be a woman taking care of her mother than it is for a man to take care of his father, but that’s just an opinion based on my own experience.

        I wish you the best.

        • KJP in Portland

          I felt this one. I lost my Dad in March. The last few years were more like a me as parent type of relationship 🙁

          • sister wendy

            Much love to you….

        • sister wendy

          I’m amazed at how much this is in fact like caring for a young child (my dying mother). But there is that lack of convenience of having them be small and easy to hold and change;)

          • Missionary Kid

            Yup. Most people don’t realize that until they actually do it. Bless you.

      • aquaclara

        Thinking of you, too, Sandy. Love to your mom. It’s your mom. She is everything….and so good you can be there for her.

      • sister wendy

        It’s a hard transition, isn’t it? After coming back here to do this for my mom, seeing and hearing all the stories other people are dealing with, I think it is fair to say that this country is not at all prepared to deal effectively with the elderly and aging parents. It’s really really hard….

    • Missionary Kid

      My thoughts are with you.

      • sister wendy

        🙂

    • aquaclara

      Hi, Wendy,
      Wishing you all the best.We are saving your seat for you….whenever you’re ready. Your mom is so lucky to have you with her. It is hard to watch your mom slow down, but she is able to relax and take it as it comes, knowing you are there with her. Hearts and flowers and cake to you both, as you find new ground.

      As a daughter, I appreciate how much of our life is spent redefining our relationship with our mom. My mom lost her mom so early, so our relationship, even long distance, is even more of a gift.

      I am so appreciative of all the moms out there-today, we saw some of the best moms in action. I think we need to celebrate them every single day here on the Bunker.

      Take care!

      • sister wendy

        Thank you….I was thinking the long distance relationship I’ve had for all these years has helped me manage this better than if I’d been in the same country all these years. I’m grateful I never disconnected!

    • GlibWog

      Oh I am sorry Wendy.. It is so freakin difficult to watch parents who were once so full of life in their declining years.. ( HUGS)

      • sister wendy

        Thank you…it is. I hate it, actually. I know it’s part of life, but it’s so painful. Auditing did not prepare me for this;)

    • Nevermore

      I feel for you Wendy. My dad’s slowly going down the same road, and has been asking me to give him ‘pills’. He means all of them at once. It’s tough. 🙁

      • sister wendy

        Haha! That is hard! I’m so sorry for you. Hearts and love to you! So far my mom hasn’t asked for extra morphine- after she found out she couldn’t o.d on the current formula, she just self regulates for now;)

  • J. Swift

    Wow! The runway at Trementina has more ruts in it than David Miscavige’s face:

    http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/sadhu77/article-0-1B4CE204000005DC-674_470x423.jpg

    • KJP in Portland

      Slaves don’t build runways worth a sh*t, eh?

      • Missionary Kid

        A lot of that cracking is caused by the fact that at that altitude (6300′), there’s a lot of freezing and thawing in the winter, on top of the fact that the UV light is stronger at that altitude, which degrades that surface. It looks like they’ve at least filled the cracks. I’d land on a runway like that in a plane with enough power to get out of there.

        What I’d like to do is make a screaming pass down the runway at low altitude, making sure that I was flying a plane with the 6″ ID number on it and not on a flight plan, transponder off. That would wake them up and ratchet up their paranoia.

        Edit: it took heavy equipment to build it, but I’ll bet they did it on the cheap.

        • KJP in Portland

          Oh yes, I took that into account. I was a Navy weatherman and have maintained a keen interest in geophysics these past 25 years. But, being a construction accountant since leaving the service, I noticed that they POURED those slabs one at a time. Really, really odd; as if they mixed their own concrete on-site. But in the end, I just HAD to make a cheeky comment about how $ci likes to utilize their labor.

          • Missionary Kid

            I appreciate your cheeky comment.

            For some reason, by the color, I assumed the surface was not concrete, but the cracks make it look like concrete sections.

            The official listing shows it to be asphalt. If it was concrete, they probably cheaped out on the rebar. I think they had a problem getting the asphalt trucks out there to lay down the runway in one continuous build.

            You can explore the listing here: If you click on the aviation chart, it becomes a sectional.

            http://www.airnav.com/airport/NM53

            • KJP in Portland

              “Owner desires airport not be charted”. LOL! Of course!

            • Missionary Kid

              I asked elsewhere if anyone knew who LINDA DUNAGIN was, who’s listed as the airport manager.

            • Robert Eckert

              Presumably the wife of the guy who beat and almost killed Scott Campbell.

            • Missionary Kid

              Nope, I don’t think so. Those two were both from L.A., apparently. Scott said they were Ben Stringer and Kevin Popovitch.

            • Robert Eckert

              My bad, then.

            • KJP in Portland

              Regarding the ‘mud’ hence my comment that they HAD to hand mix and pour the mud on site. And, look at how many squares there are! OMG! Those poor Scion slaves probably worked on that for years. Poor bastards. All for $6.52 a week in ‘allowance’. Grrr…

            • Missionary Kid

              I just took a closer look at it from Google Earth, and the runway is make up of 6 parallel asphalt strips. It definitely isn’t concrete.

              There’s what looks like a hangar on the apron, with a car parked in its shade. Either the apron is newer than the runway or it’s better constructed.

              It’s a good place to stash an airplane.

            • J. Swift

              The Church of Scientology wastes a lot of money on stupid and self-destructive activities such as harassing former members or critics. The empty Ideal Orgs are a big waste of money. Conversely, the Church goes as cheap as possible on crucial things like payroll, the runway at Trementina, or the lack of emergency lighting at the Complex.

              Qamdo Bamda Airport in China sets at 4,334 meters (14,219 ft) above sea level and is in impeccable condition. Given the Church’s wealth, it shoulde easily be able to have a good sturdy runway built that can handle thermal cycling. The strip at Trementina doesn’t even seem to have expansion joints.

              Here is the strip at Qamdo Bamda; compare it with Trementina:

              http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n196/scienowriter/9-Qamdo-Bamda-Airport_zps0fa8bba3.jpg

            • Missionary Kid

              I agree with your assessment of how Co$ spends its money, but the field at Qamdo Bamda is really a military field so that China can fly in troops to subdue Tibet and or bring in Chinese officials. I’m sure that the runway is built to handle heavies. It is the longest paved runway in the world, for now. Pilots who fly in are required to carry around oxygen masks and cylinders while on the ground to make sure they aren’t affected by hypoxia.

              Have you been to the San Miguel Ranch strip, or do you know who Linda Dunigan, the manager is? I got the information off of AirNav: http://www.airnav.com/airport/NM53

              As I posted to KJP, looking at the ranch runway on Google Earth, it looks like it is composed of 6 asphalt strips. The crack filler that they’ve used, I believe, makes the runway look much worse than it actually is because they overfilled the cracks to make sure that they were sealed against water getting into the cracks to prevent them from being expanded by the expansion of freezing water..

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Great analysis. Never been to the Trementina airstrip, but I have flown over it in a private plane as a passenger during my travels to New Mexico.

        • KJP in Portland

          Could always strafe it? (if empty)

          • Missionary Kid

            No, I don’t want to suggest any violence. They’d have to get my tail number to find out who I was. Dropping something would bring out the feds, and you can be sure that DM would do that.

            • KJP in Portland

              I’m not proposing that. It was just a deviously fun thought 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              Understood. Co$ uses posts like that to infer that we’re a violent bunch. I want to give them no ammunition.

        • J. Swift

          The landing strip is called the San Miguel Ranch Airport on charts. As you mention, the high altitude and thermal cycling is brutal on the landing strip.

          A friend of mine in a Gov’t Agency had it overflown a few years ago in response to an “Official Request” and concluded there was nothing at Trementina of interest.

          http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e235/Swift77/Drone.jpg

          • J. Swift
          • Missionary Kid

            That drone is photoshopped into the picture. Here’s the airnav listing for the airport: http://www.airnav.com/airport/NM53 Have you ever known the supposed manager of the airport, Linda Dunigan?

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              Yes, it’s photoshopped and several years old. It is a representation of an X-47B overflying Trementina. As for Linda Dunigan: I don’t know her.

              Many names of people in Church records are out of date, purposely obscure, or are non-Scientology attorneys, etc. You can look at CST filings and most of those people shown as officers are long gone.

              The Cult does not want any outsider to be able to get any information on internal Church matters. This Cult of Scientology wants information on everybody but does not want to give out any information on itself. This is why the Church of Scientology is regarded as a paranoid and highly secretive Cult. The Cult has has secretive bases and an intelligence arm. This is all very lunatic but true.

            • Missionary Kid

              Holy Shit, Batman!! A straight answer from OTVIIIisGrrr8!
              I figured that Linda Dunigan was someone obscure. Her phone number and area code are for Eastern New Mexico, while the area code for the landing strip is for Western NM. They both have the same last numbers, which is odd. Maybe both are fake.

            • Andrew Robertson

              Are you feeling unwell OTVIIIisGrrr8!? Or have you crossed to the Dark Side on the fringes of the Internet?

              I shall of course, have to write a Knowledge Report on your recent posts and send it to RTC or my next sec check will be full of rock slams thus imperiling my spiritual eternity.

              ML

              Andrew

  • media_lush

    another celeb to start hatin’ on?

    I noticed this post on SP’s R Us and wondered if anybody had more recent or accurate info…. back in 2004 hardly any of us wogs knew the hidden horrors so I’m surprised that she still seems to be defending them….

    [on a personal note it’s a shame as I really like her in The Larry David Show and some of her liberal views amused me…. ]

    • KJP in Portland

      Looks like Ms. Janeane (look I’m special; hence the odd spelling of Jeannine, etc) needs to get her head out of her ass before what career she does have goes the slippery-slope way ol’ TC’s has…

    • media_lush

      thank you for the downvote, downvote person…. lulz

  • SandiCorrena

    Kirstie tweeted about an hour ago “one of the saddest days of my life…and so unnecessary….” – wonder what that’s about? So many things to wish it was-maybe JT blew?

    • Claude

      Perhaps she was admitting that she is, indeed, so unnecessary?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Maybe not JT, but she had to disconnect from someone else new.

      • Robert Eckert

        Lisa Marie? She tweeted a while back that she wanted Lisa to talk to her (they were friends at one time), but Lisa seemingly ignored her, and perhaps Miscavige has made it official that Lisa is an un-person.

  • DeElizabethan

    How sad for friends to have to disconnect from one and be so blind as to call it disassociating, like it’s not the same thing.

    Not sure if it’s posted but the mayor and city manager of Clearwater need to be educated. Help!

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/humani…ning-of-long-delayed-flag-building-in/2136935

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Link not working for me Dee. What was it?

      • DeElizabethan

        Yes it was. Just tried your link and it worked. (?) Thanks

      • Claude

        Doesn’t work for me either, I get the TBT website, but no article

  • Observer

    This shoop is in honor of L. Wrong Hubturd for, um, something.

    If you weren’t here when I found the background, it was an actual Scientology book display for What is Scientology? And here I thought they weren’t capable of subtle understatement.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I love that movie. Kubrick is my all time fav.

      • Observer

        None of the stills from the actual movie worked, unfortunately.

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          Nah, this more cartoon looking version suits the point better anyway.

      • Andrew Robertson

        According to Ken Adam, Stanley Kubrick was stressful and demanding to work with but I’m glad he did especially for ‘Dr Strangelove’:

        ‘Kubrick recalled by influential set designer Sir Ken Adam’

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-23698181

        […]

        Steven Spielberg told production designer Sir Ken Adam his work for Stanley Kubrick’s Dr Strangelove included the best movie-set ever built. Kubrick’s dark comedy is now regarded as a Cold War classic. Fifty years on, Sir Ken remembers his time working for Kubrick as a magnificent adventure – if you could take the stress.

        […]

        Andrew

        • Captain Howdy

          Definitely in my All-Time Top Ten.

        • Claude

          I read that special effects experts still can’t figure out how he did that zero-gravity rotating tube-tunnel scene in “2001.” I love that movie, when I am feeling very patient.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            I’m pretty sure it’s revealed in some of the extra material on my DVD. If not there, I know I’ve seen it somewhere.

            In the real year 2001, the movie got remastered and released in true 70mm format in several places that still have the playback capability. I did not make it to a showing. Too bad.

            • Claude

              It just occurred to me that the music could be revamped- the images would stand up well, even with a new score (but I liked the original score, too)

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Interesting you should mention redoing the score. There WAS an original score before Kubrick tossed it at the last minute for the pieces we are all used to hearing.

              http://www.allmusic.com/album/alex-norths-2001-the-legendary-original-score-mw0002285661

            • Claude

              Was it better?

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              IMO, no. Those tracks are so implanted with the visuals, that for me, it’s perfect as Stanley created it.

            • Claude

              It is quite timeless, and perfect, as is….
              I might consider changing the choral work related to the moon artifact

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Too creepy and dissonant for ya? You can listen to clips at the link I provided.

            • Claude

              If you are referring to the standard release, then yes, the choral work was creepy around the moon artifact, and actually I would be cool with it, dissonance is fine, but the volume really gets high at some points

    • Captain Howdy

      Major Miscarriage…”Yee-Haw!”

  • Gus_Cox

    “Eve Darling,” for example, was the name on Lisa Marie Presley’s files.

    That’s odd. How then are Eve Darling’s folders labelled? Eve Darling is a real person, a Scientologist who used to work for Lisa.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      For real? Dox?

      • Observer

        Marc Headley posted the same thing earlier. Eve was his supervisor for awhile.

        • Bury_The_Nuts

          thanks o!

    • Garry Scarff

      Eve Darling Keough is Lisa Marie’s ex-sister in law, married to Thomas Keough, Danny’s brother. Eve & Thomas are in Sheridan, OR working at the Delphi School.

      • KJP in Portland

        Oh that’s right, the Sci Nuts bought that monastery. I could see it up on the hill every time we went to the beach at Lincoln City.

  • media_lush

    pic popped up on reddit….. caption competition?

    • media_lush

      due to ongoing defections OSA wasn’t always able to train up Tommy Girl’s handlers to the required standard

    • Robert Eckert

      Auditions for Tom’s fourth wife are not quite going as planned.

    • Barb Murray

      It is only a matter of time until Scientology implodes but Tom is not smart enough to understand that and get out in time. It may be that he just can’t resist getting his sadistic jollies from the Sea Org slaves he shares with Davey. It’s shocking how delusional Tom is to think he is respected by tiny Dave. The countless witnesses to Dave’s ridicule of Tom and his frequent sharing of Tom’s auditing “secrets” should give him a clue, but his ego just won’t allow him to believe it. No intelligent person would even want Dave’s respect, but poor unstable Tom lives for it and just can’t get it. I am so sad for Suri – when she is old enough to understand what her dad is part of and has gotten his older children into, it will break her heart.

  • Sibs

    Completely and totally off topic (but I had to get this out somewhere):

    So I’ve been going on a reading binge ever since the article yesterday about the books in libraries, and I just got through reading about Lisa McPherson’s treatment in Janet Reitman’s book. aoaegrhilagerhiluarglaegragrg fahalhuargliuhargluraglag Words aren’t enough to describe how angry and disgusted I am right now. And all because DM stupid’s ego was on the line. Who was it who said that Scientology’s always worse than you think? Uggggggh, so true. I think I’ll go throw something now.

    • Claude

      It kind of makes your brain melt when you realize how extremely very bad it is, and then it is probably even worse. So many lives ruined, so many families disconnected. And Tom Cruise approves of this. Maybe that’s why his movies flop now.

      • Sibs

        Seriously. Like, that there were (are? reasons why I should keep reading) so many more people who went completely insane and just disappeared.

        • Claude

          I don’t know how much you know, but I have read every detail of Tony’s posts for years (and all the comments), and SCN is ALWAYS worse than you think. Even when you think it couldn’t get any worse.

          • Robert Eckert

            Even when you adjust your thinking to take into account that Scientology is worse than you think, it’s still worse than you think.

      • KJP in Portland

        Maybe Cruise will finally get Fatty Arbuckled out of Hollywood in the next couple years. He’s becoming a huge liability and that should soon show in box office receipts. If not now, or 2015, it will in five years. That is my guess.

        • Claude

          I’m not proud that I saw that movie Oblivion, but I spent the whole movie thinking, “this wouldn’t be so bad, if it weren’t for Cruise.” He sucks.

          • KJP in Portland

            And I hold the (dubious) distinction of being a Navy crewmember onboard the ENTERPRISE in August 1985 when he cam on board to film all the Top Gun crap. Went to sea for 11 days to film that thing. Am I owed residuals?

            • Claude

              Great story!! I’m sure the Bunkerites want more details! Or preferably, a novel. “11 Day Cruise with Cruise”

            • KJP in Portland

              I covered it before. They shot several of the carrier scenes on the ship. I was 2 months away from getting out. I saw him from a distance a few times. I worked in the Weather Office. He had a large coterie around him constantly. Several shipmates said to me that he acted like an arrogant, egotistical, pampered little dick. Even today, on Facebook, yacking with my old Navy buddies, we still talk about him from time to time.

              I saw the movie once or twice. He’s about 3 months older than me. All things I ever heard about leaving our girlfriends and wives for 11 days was what a d*ckhead he was. In fact, at the time, he wouldn’t have been the minimum age to be a fighter pilot at all. He might have been a fresh butter bar, but not a full Naval Lieutenant. Always struck me as bogus.

            • Claude

              LOL, that’s hysterical! Too bad he’s short enough he probably didn’t wack his head on any hatches!

            • Nevermore

              [Trekkie is envious you served on the Enterprise. Not even having that oik Cruise on board can tarnish that!]

    • Sibs

      Alright, words are coming back to me now. I mean, she died of something so basic that like… if one person had the actual know-how or the guts to take her to a doctor, she could have gotten better. And she must’ve been in so much agony. I just tried reading again and got through one page of cover-up and evidence hiding and I don’t know if I can read any more tonight.

      • KJP in Portland

        She is the reason I started reading up on $cientology some ten years ago. I soon developed a vehement stance toward that racket they call a church. They’re a f8cking insult to real churches.

    • KJP in Portland

      Definitely with you in solidarity on that one.

    • Cher

      I know! I find myself getting so incredibly angry over the things they do and get away with. It absolutely infuriates me beyond words

  • TonyOrtega

    Midnight post coming up for the night crew….

    • KJP in Portland

      Midnight EDT?

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Dammit man! I was getting ready to cut off for the night. Now I’ve got to pop another blue pill to stay up long enough.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      That is so NOT RIGHT!!!!
      Edit: was SSSSSSSOooooo Passing out!!!!

      • Einstein

        Tough luck. Take a cold shower and get over to the new post

    • Claude

      No way, you have got to stop being so prolific!

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Standing by sir.

    • Rita Gregory

      Yay!

  • Claude

    So, did anyone post a link to the trementia flyover set to “third world man” yet?

    • Claude

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biLE4UR-C7M

      It’s awesome, great view of the base

      • Robert Eckert

        This is what I was looking for when I found and linked to the old broadcast by the New Mexico TV station, somewhere downthread.

  • Einstein

    New post up

  • Snippy_X

    How many have this ruin – they stay in because they have “confidence that LRH did not choose the wrong man to be at the helm?”

    Yeh and conquerors never rewrite history either.

  • mt1000

    and more fun . . . .

    http://tinyurl.com/lhv4nsc

  • Barb Murray

    My heart goes out to Cindy. Knowing that her brainwashed daughter is at the mercy of a psychopathic dictator must be terrifying. You can clearly see in that disturbing wedding picture that Kara is not healthy, mentally or physically. She has the same empty stare and grimace frequently seen in scientology kool-aid drinkers. I wonder how long she will be allowed to stay married, and when she will get her first visit to the hole? Kara, you’ve turned your back on family that loved you, and possibly your only chance of escape. Good luck, Kara, you will truly need it.

  • Spike Robinson

    I don’t know if anyone else has suggested it here yet, but Cindy has found a YouTube video with her daughter at a friend’s wedding and is asking people to comment on the video, asking Kara to call her mother.

    Here is the link:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsjG54iuQAs

  • Adrien Marcel Drea

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  • Adrien Marcel Drea

    they also stalks mùe to my home