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VIDEO: Scientology Told Google’s Sergey Brin It Wanted Only “Good” Search Results

Geir_IseneGeir Isene reached Scientology’s heights — Operating Thetan Level Eight — but the Norwegian has left the church and is now providing startling insights about his time in the organization.

Recently, he came to the United States, and has made a series of videos with former church member Karen de la Carriere. In the first video, he reveals that he was brought in to educate top Scientology officials about the Internet, and learned that they had met personally with Google’s Sergey Brin, asking him if it were possible for the search giant to filter results so that only positive information about the church would be returned on the word “Scientology.”

You can imagine how that went over…


 
Isene also says that he begged the church’s officials to give him a full day to explain the Internet to them before they met with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which had regularly criticized the church for its stands against Internet freedom.

Isene says that the time he spent with them was crucial, because they were “clueless” about Internet culture. That primer helped the church “bury the hatchet” with the EFF, he says.

Apparently, the church is missing Isene’s counsel, because just a few days ago, the EFF put the Church of Scientology into its “Takedown Hall of Shame.”

 
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Jonny Jacobsen

Jonny Jacobsen

NARCONON RUNNING INTO MORE TROUBLE — THIS TIME OVERSEAS

Scientology’s drug rehab network, Narconon, is reeling from patient deaths, lawsuits, and government investigations in several US states. But it’s also running into problems in other countries — in Canada, for example, health officials shut down a Narconon facility in Quebec.

And now, health officials in the Netherlands have responded to complaints by taking a hard look at a facility there.

That news reached the US yesterday in somewhat garbled form. So we asked our good friend in Europe, journalist Jonny Jacobsen, to look into things and help us understand what’s going on. Naturally, he came through.

Jacobsen lives in Paris and writes at his excellent blog, Infinite Complacency. And here’s what he sent us…

 

Dutch health officials have put Narconon’s operations there under six months of enhanced supervision because of concerns about patient safety.

The Heath Care Inspectorate (IGZ) announced its decision in a statement posted on its website Monday, after a series of spot checks on Narconon’s operation raised the alarm.

Two unannounced visits early this year by the officers from the Health Care Inspectorate (IGZ) turned up deficiences that a subsequent inspection in May revealed had not been corrected.

So the IGZ has imposed the following restrictions:

— Six months of supervision, which may be extended;

— a ban on admitting patients using addictive drugs;

— all new admissions must first be examined by a doctor (and Narconon has to provide documentation to that effect)

The Inspectorate posted a copy of a letter it wrote on May 24 to the director of Narconon Netherlands, Joanna Kluessien, in which it set out these restrictions.

The one-month delay in making this decision public was because Narconon had tried to block its publication, as the letter itself makes clear.

The supervision decision and the restrictions that go with it were made after surprise inspections in February and March of this year, at the Narconon centre in Zütphen, about 30 kilometres (20 miles) northeast of Arnhem.

These inspections had themselves been prompted by anonymous complaints about Narconon which the Inspectorate had received the previous year.

After those visits, the IGZ drew up a list of changes it wanted made and met Narconon officials in April to deliver its report. The changes involved appear to have included restrictions on the kind of work Narconon was permitted to do.

The IGZ carried out a third surprise inspection on May 16 to see if Narconon was respecting the terms of the previous month’s report: it concluded that it was not.

Narconon had tried to defend its position in a response sent on May 21.

Narconon’s understanding of the restrictions placed on them in the April report had been that they could not treat patients suffering from physical withdrawal symptoms.

There had apparently been some difference of opinion over a patient admitted on May 15 suffering from a cocaine addiction.

Narconon did not think that someone who had recently been taking the drug qualified as the kind of patient they were not allowed to treat because — according to them — cocaine addiction did not involve physical withdrawal symptoms.

Perhaps most importantly, the letter also seems to suggest that Narconon has been ordered to hand in its WTZi certification: its authorisation to function as a care institution offering services covered by Dutch health insurance. Narconon had not been quick enough in complying, said the IGZ letter.

So that rather sounds as if Narconon has lost a major part of its cash flow: with its accreditation pulled, it can no longer receive health insurances payments for the services it offers.

The IGZ said that it was imposing the six-month period of enhanced surveillance in part because of the results of the May 16 inspection and Narconon’s failure to respect the restrictions imposed earlier.

As the IGZ press release put it, they had doubts about the “willingness and ability” of Narconon to comply with the terms it had set out.

The more intense supervision, again using spot checks rather than preplanned visits, is to ensure that this time, Narconon does as it is told.

And under Dutch law, the decision to impose this supervision is not subject to appeal. So there.

 
As always, we’re glad whenever we can think of an excuse to get Jonny involved in The Underground Bunker.

 
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In Utah, Scientology Answers Accusations About a Ponzi Scheme

Last month, we wrote about an unusual bankruptcy in Utah which had sprouted a lawsuit with accusations that investors had been swindled in a Ponzi scheme run by members in — and for the benefit of — the local churches of Scientology.

We now notice that the churches have answered those allegations, and with a response that calls the allegations of a plot to defraud investors a story that “strains the outer limits of logic.”

In essence, the churches argue that just because some of the defendants in the lawsuit are Scientologists, that doesn’t mean the church was involved in what transpired. We have the response, and we look forward to your thoughts on it.

 

Bee/Bagley Lawsuit: Scientology Answer

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 26, 2013 at 06:00

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  • Observer

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Hahahahahaaaa! This is my favorite video so far! No doubt the request–which I can’t help but think was a thinly veiled demand–to only show good search results for Scientology seemed perfectly reasonable to the clams. Could they *be* more out of touch with how the world actually works? And the thought of LRH as a computer genius and database guru!! Hahahahahaha! How could he be if computers collapsed in neurotic fits every time he walked in the room? Oh, and Geir Isene is hot.

    “Narconon did not think that someone who had recently been taking the drug qualified as the kind of patient they were not allowed to treat because — according to them — cocaine addiction did not involve physical withdrawal symptoms.” That statement alone should be enough to get NarCONon banned. It shows the depths of their ignorance and quackery. And it’s always a pleasure to hear from Jonny.

    • Sherbet

      It’s funny that both of us homed in on the same bit of silliness, Observer.

      • Observer

        It’s appalling!

        • Sherbet

          What is it they say about great minds?

          • Observer

            😀 I meant NarCONon thinking cocaine withdrawal has no physical effects is appalling, not the fact that we both jumped on it.

            • Sherbet

              What? You’re critical of narconon’s expertise? Silly gal. They’re the authorities, are they not? TC said so.

            • Observer

              You know what idiots we wogs are.

            • FistOfXenu

              Nope. No idea. I think I’m too idiotic to know it. 😛

          • richelieu jr

            “Great minds travel in the same direction but weak minds travel in packs”

          • FistOfXenu

            That they wouldn’t wouldn’t be caught dead in $cientarCONon?

            • Sherbet

              But that the Bunker is overflowing with ’em.

    • Bella Legosi

      I figured it would have to take more then one day to explain the interwebs to these douche bags!

      • richelieu jr

        Nah, he was just explaining the idea that some people might not want to lie and cheat and hide things and truly want the net to be a resource for learning not just a giant propaganda machine..

        The Net, they’ll never get it– It’ll get them, hopefully…

        • FistOfXenu

          For sure that’d take more than 1 day to explain. And they still wouldn’t get it.

          Reality is Suppressive!

          • richelieu jr

            Reality does have an undeniable anti-$cientology bias…

        • Bella Legosi

          HA

          The Net pretty much has them! You know when a lion takes down a gazell? There is that moment where the lion and gazell are thrashing, the lion has the gazell by the throat. That is where I see Co$, in terms of information on the internet. Co$ is the poor gazell fighting the jaws of a lion, gasping for breath. A colorful lesson in futility!

          😀

          Have I mentioned how much I love my visualizations?

        • Bella Legosi

          HA

          The Net pretty much has them! You know when a lion takes down a gazell? There is that moment where the lion and gazell are thrashing, the lion has the gazell by the throat. That is where I see Co$, in terms of information on the internet. Co$ is the poor gazell fighting the jaws of a lion, gasping for breath. A colorful lesson in futility!

          😀

          Have I mentioned how much I love my visualizations?

  • Sherbet

    “Narconon did not think that someone who had recently been taking the drug qualified as the kind of patient they were not allowed to treat because — according to them — cocaine addiction did not involve physical withdrawal symptoms.” Translation: The patient had money and was, therefore, welcome.

    • Missionary Kid

      *Laughing* You provided a translation that Google translate couldn’t. Thank you.

    • FistOfXenu

      You left off the rest of the translation: what NarCONon teaches make people so ignorant they can’t find their own asses with both hands a map and a hunting dog.

      • Sherbet

        Laughing here, too. It doesn’t matter whether the patients can find their a$$es, as long as they can locate their insurance cards and checkbooks.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          also, they can only Know something from Hub’s tech and he said, Omfg, Ignore The Man Behind The Curtain”

          • Sherbet

            Wait. Are you saying there’s a connection between narCONon and the cos? Nah, two different things, sez Gary Smith.

            • Observer

              And if you can’t believe El Pornstachio, who can you believe?

            • Sherbet

              See? We don’t always need to indicate snark font. The Bunkerites get it.

            • Missionary Kid

              You certainly don’t need it when you’re that obvious!

            • richelieu jr

              Ah yes, “El Pornstachio”! He needs TP, for… there isn’t enough pay in a SeaOrg envelope to get your own and it’s stropped being furnished on the 7th floor bog of Big Blue…

              I _(name of $cion here)_ do solemnly promise to clear the planet and save the Universe by only wiping myself with squares of weeks-old, previously cleared of Entheta, old Pennysaver newspapers for the next Billion Years, or until David Miscavige grows a heart, or L Ron swoops back from whereever he’s been dipping his beak, whichever comes last.

            • FLUNK_101

              All he wanted was TP for his …

            • FLUNK_101

              maybe this one’s clearer

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Gary Smith is ths guy who pulls curtains.., u mean That guy?

        • Poison Ivy

          It would be funny if it weren’t so life and death serious to the addicts/alcoholics.

          • Sherbet

            Darn right, PI, which is why there’s going to be great rejoicing when they all go out of business.

        • richelieu jr

          Of course they can’t. They were removed for ‘safety reasons’ the second they arrived on site…

    • Captain Howdy

      Stimulants i.e cocaine, crack, meth are physiologically addictive, but not physically so. Most detoxes don’t even admit coke or meth addicts, they go straight to rehab.

      • Sherbet

        You think narCONon really gave it that much thought, Howdy? Someone shows up with money in hand, and the sauna door opens wide.

        • Captain Howdy

          Oh, no doubt it was all about the money. All I’m pointing out is that technically they were correct in asserting that a cocaine addict wouldn’t be going through physical withdrawal..

          • Sherbet

            One point for narconon. They got something right, probably purely by accident.

          • Missionary Kid

            They may not be going through physical withdrawal, but I sure as hell wouldn’t want to have to deal with someone with coke or meth in their system who is hallucinating and freaking out.

            That’s a potential danger to themselves, staff, and other people in rehab, isn’t it, or am I misunderstanding things?

            • Captain Howdy

              First sentence from the Wikipedia article about cocaine dependence:

              “Cocaine dependence (or addiction) is a psychological desire to use cocaine regularly.”

              Opiates, alcohol, tranquilizers and barbiturates are physically addictive. Stimulants are not.

            • Missionary Kid

              I understand about the physical addiction, but what about a person who has a full dose in their system who is brought in, and pissed that they’re there, as well as being paranoid about their surroundings?

              I’m not talking about withdrawal symptoms, but behavior while high.

            • Captain Howdy

              That’s what dual diagnosis facilities are for.

            • Missionary Kid

              Knowing how greedy NarCONon is for patients’ money, I can see them taking someone in who hasn’t been properly diagnosed, and they’re waiting for the doctor to show up, and he’s delayed.

              I am talking about a worst case scenario. NarCONcon has a detailed checklist for admission: Money, check. Admit.

            • FistOfXenu

              I’m with you on this MK. The facts don’t matter here. And being careful to get qualified medical advice don’t matter here either. Just ask Lisa McPherson. Oh wait.

            • Missionary Kid

              Exactly.

            • richelieu jr

              Back when I was taking (shooting for a few months at the end), I remember being told and telling everyone that Crystal wasn’t addictive at all… That was the official line then.. Now we know that it is, as you say, Physiologically addictive, and as only another addict can know- So fucking great when you’re on it that OF COURSE you want to do it again.. That’s what people don’t understand; It just seems sleazy and sad from the outside…

            • stateofcircle

              The thing with psychological addiction though, is that it can be as bad or worse than physical addiction. Obviously the health risks inherent in physical addiction are such that if a heavy heroin or oxy addict just quits cold turkey, their body can go in to shock and they could die. But psychological addiction can and does cause addicts to have thoughts of suicide and/or hurting themselves, the end result of both being the same, death or physical harm. Wen coming off of drugs, the thoughts that go through a persons brain are intensely emotional, and are all over the spectrum in terms of negative, harmful thoughts to positive ones. Anyone who has suffered this or even depression know how utterly debilitating your mind can be. Also, and I’ve discussed the ‘placebo effect’ before in other circumstances (and believe it is a very, very real thing as countless studies have shown), but psychological dependence alone can cause someone to feel physically sick. Granted, the body is not chemically dependent on the substance at hand, but one may feel many of the physical symptoms of withdrawal. Obviously physical addiction is incredibly dangerous and the “worse” of the two, especially since psychological addiction can be a packaged deal with physical, but when it comes to how the person feels when withdrawing, the experience can be just as shitty, if not shittier.

              I am really enjoying this thread. Cap and rich, thanks for sharing.

      • Missionary Kid

        What about someone still on meth that freaks out? They may not have the physical internal effects of the addiction, but they sure as hell can do some major physical damage to themselves and others fighting their imagined demons.

        The level of restraint required is not appropriate for a rehab facility.

        • Captain Howdy

          I was a hardcore meth head for about 3 years and I never “freaked out” like I was having a bad acid trip. When you come off of meth all you do is sit there and cry and wish you could die for a few hours and then you go to sleep for about 24 hrs.

          • Missionary Kid

            What if someone is on meth, having just administered a dose to themselves just before they’re taken to a facility and feels threatened? What about someone who has taken bath salts?

            • 1subgenius

              They generally kill some stranger and eat their brains.
              Good times.

            • Captain Howdy

              All they found in the Miami zombie’s system was THC.

            • 1subgenius

              Not referring to him, in particular.

              Locally, beating your family to death with baseball bats is de rigueur.

              But all in all it generally does not end well.

          • richelieu jr

            I was on Meth for nearly three years and I was very tired had headaches and was depressed for nearly two years… But no DTs, that sort of thing…

            My dealer was right up Franklin from the Celebrity Centre, as it happens!

            • Captain Howdy

              Being a speed freak is a nightmare. When I quit doing meth and became a junkie I was a much happier person…for a little while at least.

            • richelieu jr

              I enjoyed them both very much actually… I got more done on speed, though…
              Glad I’m off them both though. 20 years now.

            • Captain Howdy

              I still indulge in opiates occasionally — without feeling the need to go on a run. Just thinking about meth makes me feel nauseous. Shooting meth had a different effect on me than taking amphetamines orally. I would sit in the corner and stare, tweaking so hard I couldn’t even speak. My friends would laugh at me. Good times.

            • richelieu jr

              When I sniffed, I never took enough to get high, only enough to be energetic and not have to sleep…
              When I shot up… That rush was the greatest feeling I’ve ever had…

              The endless hours looking for crumbs of the stuff you think you left somewhere and obsessing over details aren’t my cup of tea..
              And I suppose I indulge in opiates all the time, actually– I’ve been on Morphine following an auto accident for 7 years now… Al the side effects and none of the fun!

            • 1subgenius

              Reminds me of a guy who told me, “I take vicodin for the pain. And for the pain I hit myself with a hammer.”

            • 1subgenius

              Couple of friends in college would shoot up anything.
              In addition to whatever drugs they did, if they wanted to get drunk they’d shoot booze, if they had a cold they’d shoot cold medication, etc.
              Allegedly just to freak out a social worker they dragged their works through dirty water and shot that.
              Good times.
              One dead. One dad.

      • FLUNK_101

        Cocaine addiction is the same as any other in the sense that you build up a tolerance to it, and you crave it when you stop.

        • Captain Howdy

          You build up a tolerance to any drug you use on a regular basis, like aspirin for example. I’m not denying that stimulants are addictive, it’s just that there’s more than one kind of “addictive” at play here.

          • FLUNK_101

            First of all, thank you for sharing! I like the real life stories you tell.
            Some of it may be technical, but the link I provided has a lot of interesting information about addiction:
            “Drugs of abuse – cocaine, alcohol, opiates, amphetamine – all commandeer the brain’s natural reward circuitry.”
            “Alcohol and nicotine trigger the release of the brain’s own opiumlike molecules.”

    • richelieu jr

      $cientology: lie, lie, lie. Cheat and steal until you get caught, then lie, lie , lie, blame it on someone else. Agree to do better don’t- Presume you’ll get away with it until you get caught, then lie, lie, lie (repeat ad infinitum, ad nauseum)

      What is scary s for how many decade this has worked; It’s like the wife wondering how her husband can lie to her for the 200th time… Well, there were 199 other times sweetheart, and you’re still there so…

      $cientology has an addiction to lying. It needs to hit bottom and go cold turkey.

      • Sherbet

        JT should start the ball rolling by publicly withdrawing support for narconon. But we know that won’t ever happen.

  • jensting

    “These inspections had themselves been prompted by anonymous complaints
    about Narconon which the Inspectorate had received the previous year.”

    Which is how it’s done. I salute resourceful Anon

    • Thanks.

      I really hope this will inspire more readers of this blog and Anons to report their local Narconon to authorities. Every single Narconon is extremely vulnerable right now, but they aren’t going to fall all by themselves. People will still have to step in and file complaints with their own Health Inspection to get the ball rolling. What the Dutch situation has learned us though, is that the complaints needn’t come from former patients. When done correctly, it is sufficient if they come from outsiders.

      I tried last year to get an activist thread going on WWP in which I included some (hopefully sound) advice on how to get your own Inspection to take a hard look at Narconon as well. It didn’t really take off at the time, but hopefully this news will inspire a few more people to take action as well. The link is at https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/report-your-local-narconon-chapter-activism-thread.104125/

      And the video with Geir is abolutely hilarious!

      • Sherbet

        I loved what he said about lrh and computers.

        • richelieu jr

          All the more devastating for being so understated.

          I would love to know why he left CoS, because here is what get sme:

          There are so many talented, intelligent people in $cilontology. many of them are talented pros… Yet- Hubbard hold himself out as an expert in so many areas, that many of them much overlap with people’s true area of expertise. Had I heard he was a genius film maker/musician/Photographer, I would have been out of there the next day,because PLEASE!

          Why do they go on presuming that he might be wrong about say, computers, but he much certainly be totally great at Nuclear Physics ans Space Travel. Somebody has got to be waking up to smell the blarney, no?

          • Sherbet

            Oh, I think there’s a lot of smelling and stinking going on, hence, the current cos exodus. The best thing lrh did for scn is to die. If he were still around, the old fraud would be more vulnerable to exposure. As a dead prophet, he can do no wrong.

          • BosonStark

            My basic understanding, from reading Geir’s blog in the first year or so, is that his main wake-up was when he realized David Miscavige wanted him to take a more active role in clearing Norway by taking charge of the Org there, which would have involved putting his computer business and family to the side, to some degree or totally. That made him start reading more information on the Internet and questioning some of the “data” the cult was putting out.

            Running an Org was not on Geir’s mind at all as something he wanted to do and he didn’t like the pressure of being urged to do that. He should thank David Miscavige for drowning him in Kool-Aid and helping him wake him up.

            As a public clam, Geir probably never caught the Sea Org type fever of the necessity for total world domination “before it’s too late.”

            I imagine he could have easily overcome the cognitive dissonance about Hubbard’s computer policies by his knowingness that Dr. Hubtard died before the Internet was born.

            • richelieu jr

              Fascinating! Thanks, BS!
              I should really read his blog… What is it called?

            • And I don’t rent cars!
            • richelieu jr

              Thanks!

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              You know something? The gratitude actually flows from me to you as I had his site long ago, forgot to bookmark it, and your question just now made me google it and find it again. It such a rich blog. I believe you are an artist as well, if memory serves me, so you will especially enjoy it.

            • richelieu jr

              Artist I don’t know. Artistic perhaps. I am am Director and musician..

            • stateofcircle

              I thought you were a lawyer for some reason. Mais je me sais rein, je suis in amèricain stupide.
              (7 years of French class and all I pretty much know how to do is insult myself and order food. Amurica, fuck yeah!)

            • richelieu jr

              Don’t worry, language teaching is much worse here in France, i can assure you. We learn about as much, but it takes ten years do do so instead of a semester, or whatever you’re required to do over there…

            • Geir Isene

              Here’s the story of me meeting Miscavige:

              http://elysianchakorta.wordpress.com/2009/08/21/when-i-met-david-miscavige/

              It will be told better in an upcoming video.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Wow. There’s nothing like the Big Boss man telling his assistant to whisper in your ear “I’m Tracking You” to wake one up.

            • BosonStark

              Oh, reading that again was funny. Maybe your thank you note should go to the two Swedes who meatballed Miscavige with the certainty you were the ideal clam for the ED of Oslo Org. I think you probably would have been out of the cult in a few years anyway, but it really is the classic pattern; something happening to you personally that was disturbing or shocking. Looking forward to the coming videos.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        applause. yes yes yes. however much work, however many docs or people, however much time you Think resolutions should take, it is usually 10 to 100 times more than your estimate. when someone tells you Every voice counts, remember this!

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        Thanks for this inspiring reminder that even one lone voice can have a profound impact; be it through f2f, personal letter, email, twitter, relevant blog comment, formal complaint form, education, etc.
        Also, in today’s instantaneous everything, people need to be reminded that the gears of bureaucracies, institutions, and governments are slow and ponderous but as in the children’s tale of the tortoise and the hare… we all know who ends up victorious.

  • Noah Miller

    I knew that Hubbard was way into this idea of computers being ELECTRONIC BRAINS! But I had no idea he wrote some sort of policy on computing. I’m intrigued. Anyone have any clue what he was referencing? I would love to read some fifties technobable.

    • Missionary Kid

      When you see the big computers, with their flashing lights and spinning tape drives and noisy teletype machines in 50s movies, you are seeing the extent of LRH’s knowledge about computers. The fact that your dumb electronic watch has more computing power, and your phone has orders of magnitude more, are things that LRH couldn’t foresee, because he was a copier, not a thinker.

      • Sherbet

        It didn’t stop him from writing policy on computers, though. Never at a loss for words of phony wisdom, that lrh.

        • Missionary Kid

          If there was something that he believed he could control an attitude about, he wrote policy. The amount of hubris is incredible.

          It is like a deaf, and blind man trying to back an 18 wheel truck into a loading dock, saying,”I know exactly where it is.”

          • Sherbet

            Well said, Kid.

          • Observer

            And Scientology’s badgering of Sergey Brin was merely carrying on the grand tradition.

            • richelieu jr

              Yes, the tradition of shakedowns..

              “Eh, nice Internet you’ve got here! Be a shame if something were to.. ‘appen to it!” (knocks over vase…)

              They were just trying to deal with the Net like they’d dealt with all media and protests before, intimidate, harass physically and legally, try and come to an agreement, bribe, frame for terrorism….

              Next step was probably to infiltrate the company or something…

          • Sherbet

            Presumably, Kid, nobody would be foolish enough to take a ride with a blind 18-wheeler driver. Yet thousands have jumped right onto lrh’s bandwagon with its blind, deaf, and possibly psychotic driver, and paid for the privilege.

            • Missionary Kid

              P.T. Barnum’s saying about a sucker being born every minute applies.

            • Sherbet

              Yep.

            • richelieu jr

              I did meet a Swami in India who asked me what I did and I was telling him details aout my personal projects and he would say ‘I know!” and nod, confirming what I was saying. The same thing happened when my girlfriend began discussing nuclear reactors (whe was a physicist… He even argued with her at one point…

              Arrive without traveling
              Do all without doing
              Know all without knowing…

              or in L Ron’s case

              Lie without trying
              Do all with slave labour
              Know nothing and bloviate

              Abscond without paying
              Get degrees without Graduating
              Sink subs without finding one…

            • Sherbet

              Your Eminence, I’m literally laughing out loud. Can you hear me in France? I’m THAT loud.

            • richelieu jr

              Thought I heard something…. turned out to be the pipes, though…

        • Missionary Kid

          If there was something that he believed he could control an attitude about, he wrote policy. The amount of hubris is incredible.

          It is like a deaf, and blind man trying to back an 18 wheel truck into a loading dock, saying,”I know exactly where it is.”

        • richelieu jr

          I’m sure he knew much much more about computers than he did about say, Venus or history…

          • FistOfXenu

            Don’t count on that cardinal.

            • richelieu jr

              Well, I imagine he’d seen one. That’s already more…

            • FistOfXenu

              I bet he saw a history book once. And maybe saw Venus in the sky too. 😛

        • richelieu jr

          Did he have any other kind of wisdom? Besides teeth I mean…

          • Sherbet

            Not even sure he had wisdom teeth, judging by the ones in the front.

      • FistOfXenu

        Liar Ron Humbug was never a guy to let his deep and extensive ignorance get in the way of having an opinion and inflicting it on the world.

        • Missionary Kid

          To add: The clams blindly following that opinion as gospel make them more and more vulnerable to foot and ass bullets or falls into precipices.

        • richelieu jr

          Indeed, FoX, that was pretty much his job description and raison d’être…

      • FistOfXenu

        Liar Ron Humbug was never a guy to let his deep and extensive ignorance get in the way of having an opinion and inflicting it on the world.

      • richelieu jr

        Those teletypes, and clanking, flashing machines are what I imagine the inside of Hubbard’s head to look like…

        ‘Entheta! Does not Compute! Activate evasive discourse program E373AlphaBravo…. Activveate sphincter, dialate… Spread Gluteus Maximus and extract new ‘Data’.”

        • Missionary Kid

          Perfect. I can remember teletypes being used with computers, as well as being used in Flight Service Stations just for communication well into the 70s. Weather forecasts and terminal reports came in on them. They had some unique symbols that were used just by pilots. I still use them for writing down weather reports because they’re quicker to write than writing words.

          • Teletypes were integral to what is known popularly as “The Red Phone” between the US and the USSR after the Cuban Missile Crisis, and I’ve read that they’re still used in many Third-World countries for communication.

            • Missionary Kid

              The ASCII code used on teletypes is what morphed into the code that keyboards and the internet uses now.

          • stateofcircle

            I know teletypes and telexes are slightly different (telex transmitting the messages via phone networks point to point), but I’ve read that the cult used telexes far after they rendered obsolete, and may even still be using them. Since Lroon most likely considered the telex the pinnacle of information technology, and unfortunately did not live to see the Internet age (which he obviously would have created if not for those pesky BT’s injecting him with psych meds), I would guess their stupidity about the Internet stems from this fact, since Source already discovered things like the telex, and anything else is a fad at best, thus having no real need to educate oneself on other technologies.

        • FistOfXenu

          LRH’s personal research methods for discovering $cientology:

          [URL=http://media.photobucket.com/user/da_4runner/media/Bush%20Funny%20Pics/bush_headupass.gif.html][IMG]http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s248/da_4runner/Bush%20Funny%20Pics/bush_headupass.gif[/IMG][/URL]

          (I’d shoop the face if I knew how.)

    • Racnad

      I’ve heard of the something called The Data Series, where LRH supposedly wrote All Anyone Needs To Know about the subject of computers. I’m curious to read this. Has it been posted anywhere?

      • richelieu jr

        Yes, he did publish everything he knew about computers.. You can find it on the head of pin, somewhere in a nuclear-war-proof locker….

        Obviously, I don’t know, but it sounds like exactly the sort of book Miscavige has been ‘disappearing over the last few decades… There’s a list of them somewhere, and some clips on YouTube you could check out…

      • FistOfXenu

        I read it once. It says “FFS stay away from computers!”

        • richelieu jr

          Yes, Hubbard may not have seen the advent of the Net but he was hip to all that FFS, YSCOHB and IIRC-style lingo…

          Strangely YOLO seems to have passed him by (until he found out the hard way)….

      • Geir Isene
        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Thank you…it’s always helpful for those not familiar to read what scientologists obey, and believe, are crimes and unethical. It is why I and so many of us out here are keeping wary eyes on those who are out but still plan on using this “ethics/justice” system in their lives, and our neighborhoods. This Is indeed, Why.

          “Seducing a minor” is on the same level of severity as “Not using a computer once it is installed”!

          “Withholding vital information from the Church is as bad as first degree murder? And worse than seducing a minor?”

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Committing a problem!
            Ruhroh. Guilty.

    • stateofcircle

      Yes, it’s called the Information Technology Study And Statement on Computer Amelioration Methods

      ITS A SCAM for short.

    • Geir Isene

      Check out Hubbard’s perspective on the importance of computers (grab a barf bag first):http://isene.me/2013/06/05/ethics-review-holy-shit/

      • stateofcircle

        Thanks for the link, Geir. I’m a little confused though, this link is to a post about ethics, I don’t see any mention of computer or technology?

        • Geir Isene

          Excerpt from that post:

          How about the real, juicy stuff, the crimes? Hold onto your hat, because here’s where it gets weird.

          Crimes:

          Failure or refusal to acknowledge, relay or execute a direct legal
          order from an International Board member or an assistant board member

          Refusal to uphold discipline

          Not using a computer once it is installed

          Failing to keep a computer clean and in repair

          Misfiling in a computer

          Seducing a minor

          Issuing any Scientology data under another name

          Committing a problem

          Holy shit! “Seducing a minor” is on the same level of severity as “Not using a computer once it is installed”!

  • baddog5623

    I am starting to think the cults behavior in relation to Karen’s sons death is now comming back to bite them in the ass.

    • q-bird

      ALL the shitty things they do SHOULD come back & bite them in the a$$ – hard!

      • Observer

        Here’s hoping the gluteal mastication will continue for a long, long time.

        • FistOfXenu

          I read that wrong the 1st time and thought for a minute we went back to talking about LRH and Jack Parsons again. Now I read it again I’m with you. They ALL need a 1000 yr contract for “gluteal mastication” from DM and TC right on down.

        • FistOfXenu

          I read that wrong the 1st time and thought for a minute we went back to talking about LRH and Jack Parsons again. Now I read it again I’m with you. They ALL need a 1000 yr contract for “gluteal mastication” from DM and TC right on down.

          • Sherbet

            Make it a billion year contract for the sake of parity.

            • FistOfXenu

              You’re right of course Sherb. Don’t know what I was thinking. Mercy’s very low on the tone scale isn’t it? I’ll just go grab my credit card and KR myself.

    • Sidney18511

      They really did mess with the WRONG woman!

  • Bella Legosi

    I love it when I see RICO and Co$ in the same sentence………I think I shall take up prayer again, so that it might actually stick!

    • FistOfXenu

      Nailing these bastards with RICO would be so sweet!

      • richelieu jr

        Nailing them with actual nails would be even sweeter…

        • Sherbet

          ix-Nay on the iolence-vay. Tony doesn’t like it in the Bunker.

          • Captain Howdy

            Thanks, Moe.

          • richelieu jr

            oke-jay. I couldn’t nail up a poster without doing my thumbs in.

          • FistOfXenu

            But we’d do it non violently. You know, we could hook up all the nails to an e-meter and it could just be another kind of sec check. “Flubless Connection Sec Check (TM)”. They’d love it.

        • FistOfXenu

          Except it would feed their martyr complex. We already had them comparing themselves to the 6 million Jews that were murdered by the Nazis. You wanna hear them babbling about how they’re being crucified just like Jesus too? Screw that. But maybe we could figure out a way to make copies of their RICO convictions and roll them up real real tight and use them as nails…..

          • richelieu jr

            OK, I’m in!

      • Bella Legosi

        Would it be sacrilege to pray for the destruction of a modern “religion”? >D

        Ahhhh RICO………that would be awesome, prolly wishful thinking, but damn it I like to think anything is possible, especially with RICO!

        Come on NSA, FBI, nail these bastards to the wall already! Can you imagine how much revenue the government could get if it confiscated all RTC assets, holdings, property, ect! I bet if the hammer was brought down on this cult and they were raided, proper, there would be a lot more we don’t know about that would come to light!

        • FistOfXenu

          You ask questions about praying you want a theology guy. But RICO, why not? And raids, why not?

    • richelieu jr

      RICO… Suavé…!

  • 1subgenius

    A top EU officer has just issued an opinion in a Google related case that there is no “right to be forgotten” on the internet.

    • FistOfXenu

      Yup. $cientarCONon is the 1 reason I can think of to reject the right to be forgotten. On the other hand wouldn’t it be great when we finally bury this evil cult once and for all, if there’s no obit, no gravestone, just a party to celebrate the end with video replays of DM doing the perp walk, and then – forget about them.

  • Bella Legosi

    So I am on page 7 of the lawsuit answer…………can I please have my Patrick Bateman moment???? PLEASE?

    Some of the defendants were $cientologists, some defendant’s were at one point officers of $cientology, and one defendant owned property that housed one of our churches, but damn it the church couldn’t, wouldn’t have done anything illegal……….I mean to imply that would “strain the outer limits of logic”! Don’t you know $cientologists are the only ethical people on the planet!

    Could it be logical that these people were being regged to DEATH and in order to satisfy the Money Moloch Machine they cooked up a legit sounding Pozi Scheme? That’s pretty fucking logical……….just saying……..my god the arrogance is ALMOST unbelievable.

    I HATE BANKRUPTCY………..I failed that class with a flying, capital, F and really don’t feel bad about it! Bankruptcy is a lawyers job! I won’t touch it with a 20ft pole!

    • Sunny Sands

      I found it difficult just to get past the Introduction. For lawyers to use narrative and emotional language in a court pleading seems strange. I previously worked at a circuit court where short and succinct seemed to be the norm.

      • Bella Legosi

        Co$ legal documents are always colorful……..I’ll give them that. I love reading this stuff. The more dry and tedious; the better!

      • Sherbet

        I half-expected to see the snark font indicator in the document. The snottiness came through loud and clear. What a devout church it is…

      • richelieu jr

        Could it be that these docs are somewhat for internal consumption as well?

        I can see those opening paragraphs, laid out ina glass display case on the ‘Road to Legal Freedom’ exhibit in the Miscavige Museum of Moronic Mummery on HWood Blvd…

  • J. Swift

    Geir Isene is a very dynamic, impressive, and intelligent man.

    When he told my wife Karen and I over dinner that he had worked with OSA on Scientology’s internet problems, I knew we had to interview him.

    The part about OSA asking Google to change its search results in favor of Scientology is stunning.

    This request alone proves that the Church is arrogant, ignorant, and unreal when it comes to the internet. The Church has never had even the slightest clue about what the internet is or does.

    Karen and I very much appreciate the fact that Geir and Anette changed their plans to make these interviews happen. There are about nine more short interviews with Geir and they are all superb.

    Geir is so good on camera and Jason Barclay is doing a great job producing these interviews.

    On a final note, the Cult needs to grab hold of the nearest volcano and hang on for dear life because Geir has a lot more to say — and this includes discussions about Anonymous, Andreas Heldal-Lund, and more!

    • Observer

      Oooo, can’t wait!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        also, he took pics on his US tour with meme “making outmin front of churches” .

    • Poison Ivy

      This is amazing stuff, J! Great work!
      To both you and Tony, I would love to hear the story of Geir’s Scientology journey, how he made it all the way to OT 8 (and how much it cost him!)…and what exactly broke the spell for him.

      • Sidney18511

        I believe that Geir is going to be releasing a book soon.

        • Geir Isene

          He is 😉

          • Poison Ivy

            Congrats Geir!

      • InTheNameOfXenu

        It must really kill them(the cult) that one of their most high-level OT8’s just walked away from all their bulls**t.

        • Missionary Kid

          I think the only thing they regret is that they’ve lost the income.

          • InTheNameOfXenu

            You’re right. If Geir were still in the cult he would have to redo all his levels and buy 2 new e-metes and the Basics book package. That’s $150,000 easy right there.

      • richelieu jr

        @BosonStark:disqus says he’s got a blog, so…!

      • Geir Isene

        This should help explain my initial reasons for leaving the church:

        http://dl.dropbox.com/u/73825672/GeirIseneDoubtCoS.pdf

        The straw that broke the camel’s back was my meeting with David Miscavige in 2006. This story will be told in an upcoming video Stay tuned.

        • Poison Ivy

          Geir, what an honor to “meet” you! You are so impressive in your video; Scientology was indeed fortunate to have your smarts and class and skill set. However, like all good things, they squandered it. I’m excited to learn more about your journey in and out of the cult…hope you’ll have a nice chat with Tony as well.

          • Geir Isene

            Excellent chat with Tony. He is a straight shooter and a very intelligent guy.

        • Unex Skcus

          Looking forward to your next video Geir!

    • richelieu jr

      Really an excellent get, J. Very informative and your bet so far IMHO..

      It would be nice to have some hard dates on this stuff, time of meeting, etc… As is we only know that the ‘Church’ was having problems with Netizens in the late 90s…

      Keep fighting the good fight, my friend! You are growing as film makers and we need you!

      • Geir Isene

        Late Autumn 2001 😉

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      To quote Observer, “Oooo, can’t wait!”
      That’s a very enticing trailer you’ve written.
      Once again, thanks for your time spent in the bunker yesterday/last night; patiently explaining difficult to understand concepts and investing in my education in all things Co$.

    • InTheNameOfXenu

      The cult is out of touch with reality. They are stuck in the Hubbard reality bubble circa 1952 and cannot move on from there. Since Hubbard died before the internet boom, he had nothing to say about it so the cult members can’t understand it.

      The internet is what is ultimately doing in Scientology. Because of the ‘net the truth about the evil of Scientology and Hubbard is exposed. Who would want to join an antiquated 1950’s era self-help cult anyway?

      • richelieu jr

        But Hubbard was Whole track and even saw the future!

        • Geir Isene

          Interesting how Hubbard didn’t foresee the Internet even with grand whole track recall.

          • richelieu jr

            Yeah, funny, innit?

    • Nice work on this! I’m really not surprised that they tried this with Google. “Clearing the planet” transcends trivial wog business ethics and laws for these guys. I sent a link to this story to several prominent search engine marketing professionals and blogs. I’d love to see this to get wider exposure in that industry. Attempted search engine manipulation by corporations like this is a big deal.

      • DodoTheLaser

        I bet they had a code name for it too, may be something like “Operation Clear Google”. FAIL.

        • It would have been hilarious if Google had hit the Scientology site with a manual penalty as a punishment for blatantly trying to manipulate the search results. And yeah Google does this on occasion. Google John Chow.

    • jensting

      Yes, I would like some more, sir!

      Thanks for the nice work and thanks to Geir for speaking up.

    • Geir Isene

      Thanks J. It was great meeting with you. You are an amazing couple. Love’ya to bits.

      Looking forward to the remaining videos getting produced.

      • J. Swift

        Geir, we greatly enjoyed meeting you, Anette, and Brendan.

        I would like to do a few more videos with you on Scientology and the Internet. This is important as part of the history of Scientology’s war against the Internet.

        Karen and I would like to interview anyone who has pertinent knowledge of Scientology and the Internet.

    • stateofcircle

      Wait a minute, you and Karen are married?? I’ve been reading about this shit for years, how come I didn’t know that??

      • i-Betty

        Yes, J. Swift and Karen de la Carriere are husband and wife 🙂 xxx

    • FLUNK_101

      [ If you asked an OT to mock up an apple, s/he would imagine a beautiful, shiny red apple. It wouldn’t be a bad apple, because a bad apple is NOT what they postulated. That’s the way postulates work. That’s the way the universe works! WHY ISN’T THAT THE WAY THE INTERNET WORKS?!? ]

    • It was so much fun shooting videos and hanging out with you guys!
      The INTERNET is the Church of Scientology’s biggest ENEMY.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      In Marty Rathbun’s 3rd book, the best so far from him, he tells of how in the early 1980s Scientology had hired quite an assortment of the best at that time activist attorneys. There was a falling out though, when top officials in Scientology blatantly similarly arrogantly couldn’t get why these lawyers didn’t just accept Hubbard’s orders and do what Ron said, within Hubbard’s time limits.

      Hubbard was scathing and impatient with attorneys, who tried talk some sense to him. “GO losers!” (Guardian’s Office losers) was the fad condemnatory label used.

      This today OSA arrogance comes ultimately from Hubbard. Miscavige has been the delivery ramrod of Hubbard’s arrogance for over 3 decades now.

      .

  • HartleyPatterson

    The ‘good apple, bad apple’ affair Geir refers to was I assume the Church’s attempt to block xenu.net from Google Search on copyright grounds. Google initially caved in on this one, but after pressure from the internet freedom community they added the present system whereby pages blocked after DMCA complaints are linked in Search to
    http://www.chillingeffects.org/
    where details can be found. Looking there today, guess which bad guys are on the front page? Yes, it’s SCIENTOLOGY! 🙂
    This is IMO typical Church behaviour. Wiser, pragmatic people such as Geir can keep the insanity at bay for a while, but eventually the fanatics or DM step in and exercise their Ron given powers to screw things up.

    • Poison Ivy

      Ron the database visionary. *Face Palm*!

      • Observer

        I don’t think Ron would do very well these days. Despite supposedly being a visionary, he couldn’t come up with anything truly forward-thinking. For example, his description of the alien Marcabian Confederacy, where they wore fedoras and had a culture almost identical to contemporary America, except it was in worse shape. Really, Ron? That’s the best you could do?

        IMO he could in no way have adapted to the rapid changes we’ve gone through in the last 20 years. He was just too hidebound and inflexible a personality, except when tap-dancing to cover his voluminous backside when his “tech” didn’t work, of course. He tried to force the world into his mold rather than adapt to change. If he were still around it’s the computers that would be giving *him* neuroses.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Lol, since I’m reading Neil Gaiman’s latest, I couldn’t help remembering one of his Dad’s not so well known write ups for the Hub. This gives you an idea of how Hubbard envisioned he could use computers to his advantage. “Operation Cat”

          “Operation Cat (September 16, 1975) was a plan to “make a mockery and hold up to ridicule the computer, the security services and authority [sic]
          in relation to FOI [Freedom of Information]” by “plant[ing] grossly
          false information in governmental agencies, especially security services
          files, for later public retrieval and ridiculing exposure.”[6] The objective was “to hold up the American security to ridicule, as outlined in the GO by LRH.” Written by David Gaiman,
          the Deputy Guardian for Public Relations Worldwide, the plan called for
          Scientology “to take a cat with a pedigree name, or some such and to
          get the name into a computer file, together with a record whether it be
          criminal social welfare, driving or whatever; and to build the sequence
          of events to the point where the creature holds a press conference and
          photographic story results.” The “production targets” of the operation
          were to plant dossiers in four US government agencies, hold a press
          conference and achieve four national media articles and 50 local
          articles by February 20, 1976. The planning document for the operation
          was one of those seized by the FBI in its July 1977 raids against
          Scientology, and was subsequently entered as “Government Exhibit No. 5″
          in the case against Guardian Jane Kember and other senior GO staff.[7][8]”

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guardian%27s_Office_operations#Operation_Cat

          • Captain Howdy

            So cartoonist Jim Berry did one cartoon that mildly poked fun at scientology, as well as others, and they decided to try to destroy his career?

            That’s taking petty viciousness to a whole new level, even for scientology.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              capn, This is the sole reason for Jokers and Degraders issue, the day humor was banned. what is delicious about that caper is that they were so busy conquering SP cartoonist, fewer on guard elsewhere, hence the snow white famous raid. now That’s funny.

          • Observer

            Scientology: the Keystone Kops of cults.

            • FistOfXenu

              Yup

            • Observer

              *snicker*

        • dagobarbz

          To be fair, none of his contemporaries envisioned an internet linking ordinary citizens from all over the globe.

          Orwell had his one-way tv watching you, but that’s more the NSA vision of the internets. Literally NOBODY came up with anything like this until it actually happened.

          • Observer

            True, but none of his contemporaries claimed to or encouraged their fans to believe that they gadded about the guhLAXy developing supernatural powers and were the only hope for humanity. I expect more from Source.

            • dagobarbz

              Shoulda picked a better Source, eh?

          • Captain Howdy

            It was the U.S military and Berners-Lee.that came up with the internet and WWW.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Al is soooo confused right now.

          • jensting

            True, but the empathy box in “do androids dream of electric sheep?” is way more interesting…

          • Robert Eckert

            E. M. Forster foresaw it in 1909. “The Machine Stops” has that strange mix of short-sightedness (flight is by dirigible balloons, and the great challenge is to fly fast enough to match the rotation of the earth) and spot-on insight (people are so consumed with talking to each other on the net that they scarcely engage in physical activities at all anymore and find the suggestion that they should rather insulting) that you find in the best guess-the-future sci-fi. It is public domain now:

            http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/prajlich/forster.html

            • richelieu jr

              Read it as a freshman at University… Hadn’t thought of it in relation to the Net…

  • Jonny Jacobsen

    A quick update on the Dutch situation.

    I’ve been corresponding with the person who reported Narconon to the Dutch authorities – let’s call him
    Dutch Suppressive Guy.

    While he confirmed that the loss of WTZi certification means they will not be able to offer services
    covered by Dutch health insurance, he did not think it would have a major impact on their cash flow.

    They only registered last year, he explained – and he reckons that was on the prompting of Narconon
    International. But since they do not have that many Dutch patients, he thinks the loss of the accreditation will have only a limited effect on their income, as I speculated in the piece I filed for Tony.

    In any case, he adds: “I also had already alerted health insurers about Narconon’s fraud problems
    elsewhere, so I expect they’d get probed if they tried to make claims.”

    DSG also reckons that he was not the only person to have alerted the authorities to potential problems
    about Narconon. The last complaint he had filed was on December 29, 2012 and the inspectors went in on February 28 of this year.

    Certainly it’s clear from the relevant threads at Why We Protest that there has been some serious
    international brainstorming going on for some time now.

    Time permitting, I hope to publish an extended version of the piece filed above over at Infinite
    Complacency, tonight or tomorrow.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      so…do I deduce that most of their customers are from where? and on a cash basis?

      • Jonny Jacobsen

        If you look at the link in my story to Kluissen’s “I am a Scientologist” cookie-cutter home page, you’ll see she includes a success story a clients from Croatia. I think the Narconon Netherlands site does too, if memory serves: and I saw a mention on the message boards that there were some English clients: but I’m still looking into this.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Thanks. Joanna Kleussien also promotes on her FB that “Professionals Without Drugs” group, all scientology members, and most “groups” mentioned are various Narconons around the world. Their web page seems to be defunct though.

          https://www.facebook.com/groups/195582170464837/

    • richelieu jr

      Super boulot, Jonny! Merci!

    • I actually like Dutch Suppressive Guy much better than my current handle, but http://www.scamofscientology.nl/ happens to be my website and I wouldn’t want to waste an opportunity to plug it, would I?

      Regarding the demography of patients – I am not entirely sure about that, but many seem to come from Eastern Europe. A girl who died in their care in 2007 (OD) was from Hungary.

      Regarding their income streams, I think their income from Health Insurers probably was indeed limited. However, a more significant income stream is called the ‘Persoons Gebonden Budget’, or Personal Budget. This is not paid for by commercial Health Insurers but a government insurance scheme called the AWBZ, which would roughly translate to Law Special Healthcosts.

      So would Narconon perhaps commit fraud with the AWBZ?

      (drum rolls)

      (DUM dum DUM dum DUM)

      Of course they would!

      At least, that is what somebody is claiming in the comment section of one of the media articles from yesterday. So what can I say….

      To be continued!

      • Captain Howdy

        I remember reading something a few years back that CoS got caught by the Dutch government trying to use various front groups to get money funneled to it.

        • You may be referring to the fact that their fraudulent tax-exempt status was removed by the tax authorities last year. Scientology itself was denied tax-exempt status in 2004. They then created a bogus foundation, managed to get tax exemption for it in 2008 and started funneling all their money through this foundation. This worked until 2012, when it was removed after questions were asked in parliament.

          • Captain Howdy

            Yeah, that was it. Thanks.

      • 1subgenius

        Who’s awesome?
        You are.

      • richelieu jr

        Close but it’s:

        (drum rolls)

        (DUMB dumb DUMB dumb DUMB!)

      • aquaclara

        Thank you, SOS,

        You have the cattle, the spurs AND the hat.* Tremendous job. The story here and back at WWP are terrific.

        *if translation is needed, just think of John Wayne.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      If you also have time, could you kindly remind us here in the Bunker that you have published an extended version? Thanks… in advance and in anticipation.

      • Jonny Jacobsen

        I’ll post a reply here when it’s up: but it’s looking more like tomorrow than tonight…

      • Jonny Jacobsen

        As requested: have just posted an extended, updated version of the post here at Infinite Complacency. jj

    • aquaclara

      I love that Narconon news is always breakthrough news lately. This is a fascinating story, all the more because it’s true. Jonny, thanks for researching and covering this piece, as well as presenting it so that we could all follow it. Hats off to the Dutch authorities who don’t stand for any BS. And because we’re all tired of endless Scilon appeals, that last line is a gem. “So there.” Ha!

      Looking forward to more…and hope you’re enjoying a lovely day/night in Paris.

  • richelieu jr

    What year did these Google meetings take place? This lacks context….

    • Geir Isene

      Late Autumn 2001. Several meetings after that. My OSA stratigic advices ended in 2009 just a couple of months before I left the CoS. More on that in a later video.

      • richelieu jr

        Thanks, Geir. That helps a lot.

        Been checking out your blog..

        Quite interesting, I’ve downloaded your books as well…

        Thanks! You have a unique point of view!

        • Geir Isene

          Thank you 🙂

  • richelieu jr

    What year did these Google meetings take place? This lacks context….

  • Poison Ivy

    According to Narconon: “cocaine addiction did not involve physical withdrawal symptoms.”

    Oy.

    Tom Cruise: “WE are the authorities on getting people off drugs.”

    Jaw-dropping.

    • Dean Fox

      You have to understand that according to scientology those “physical” withdrawal symptoms are actually the result of bad body thetans that need auditing, or engrams on the reactive mind to those lower than OTIII. 😉

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        that’s right. I’m trying to remember if there is something in the HubTek where he claims that people aren’t Actually addicted to drugs, they are addicted to (insert mental image pictures, or BT’s, or some other nonsense)

  • Racnad

    So Scientology doesn’t want to be portrayed as against Freedom of Speech on the Internet? This reminds me of a story about the “father of public relations”, Edward Bernays, who once met with a CEO who laid out his PR goals, that last of which was “I want people to stop thinking I’m a son of bitch.” When Bernays came back with his recommendations, the last item was “Stop being a son of a bitch.”

    • richelieu jr

      Beautiful.

    • Geir Isene

      At one time Gloria Idda tried to convince me that the CoS was the real champions of freedom on the Net. A tough sale that…

  • Ms. B. Haven

    I scanned through the legal document regarding the bankruptcy case in Utah. I don’t understand legalese, but I sure as hell wouldn’t want those guys for attorneys. But, maybe that’s the best they could do considering the clients they have and the circumstances those clients got themselves into.

    I know a couple of the defendants named in the suit. Mike Wright, Cindi Wright, and Greg Madsen. I did courses with them in the 70’s. Mike was a 20-something go-getter, a very ambitious entrepreneurial type who was always looking for ways to make money and it seemed like he really enjoyed what he was doing. He was an enthusiastic scientologist who got his wife, mother and sisters into the ‘church’. He was never the staff member type though, he was too busy and energetically focused making money. His wife Cindi was a school teacher and involved with scientology ‘study tech’. If I remember right, she started an Apple School or some such name, that was associated with Delphi or Applied Scholastics. I didn’t know her well and only met her a couple of times. She was also not the staff member type either. She was more content to spread the word by being a teacher. Many of the members who had kids were connected to Cindi in some way through her teaching activities. I took some courses with Greg Madsen but didn’t know him well. He was kind of quiet and didn’t seem like the staff type to me although I think he did some part time staff work for a short period.

    I remember these folks as some very good people that were fun to be around. They were dedicated scientologists minding their own business and not the extremist types most of us are familiar with. Sounds like things have changed a bit over the years. It is amazing how scientology can take some normal, energetic young adults and turn them into greedy money grubbing shills that will stop at nothing to ‘help their church’. Of course this could be anyone’s story even if scientology weren’t part of the picture, but with the linking documents in the original story that Tony provided several weeks ago, it is pretty clear that scientology is heavily and directly involved in this whole scam. Let’s hope that the judge sees it that way too.

    The sad thing here is that if scientology takes a hit as it is very likely to do, my former acquaintances will be taking the fall for them. Scientology will not hesitate to throw them under the bus as ‘out-ethics’ rogues acting on their own and bringing harm to the ‘church’. That could be a good thing for them though. At that point, they will have an opportunity to get back into the good graces of the ‘church’ by applying those infamous ethics formulas (and ‘donating’ busloads of money). If I remember rightly, one of the formulas asks, “find out who your friends are”. Let’s hope that they wake up and find out who their friends really are.

    • Dean Fox

      The sad thing is those folks you knew will likely throw themselves under the bus for the church of scientology believing of course that it’s for the greatest good for the greatest number of dynamics.

      • richelieu jr

        INstead of for the Greater Profit of the Shortest Member of the Great Beings Club

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I had to laugh when I saw they used the term “Outer Limits”. There could be an entire series Just on scientology’s monsters and aliens and shape shifting creatures that play key roles in the history of their scamology.

      [IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/18j3hi.jpg[/IMG]

      • richelieu jr

        DO not attempt to adjust your legal system.. We control the vertical and the horozontal…

  • Dean Fox

    Having skim read the legal document I get the feeling the church of scientology’s reply doesn’t so much answer any of the changes made against them rather it simply rubbishes them. Example:

    “To the contrary, Plaintiffs’ 32 pages of tables summarizing “documentary evidence” purporting to support the RICO claims demonstrate this fact. (Complaint pp. 59-91.) Notwithstanding the detail contained in the single-spaced 32 pages of tables, Scientology is mentioned only three times.”

    All this states is that the word scientology only appears 3 times in the table. This has no bearing on the quality of evidence the documents referenced in this table may provide.

    Question is will the court see through this weasel “logic” or fall for the documents dismissive tone; I wonder if the person who wrote it studied Neuro-Linguistic Programming or simply believe that if they keep making vacuous statements about the complaint being rubbish for long enough the court will believe it.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      Thank you for doing the hard work of plowing through and summarizing the Co$’s legal brief for those of us who are not lawyers or no longer have the heart nor stomach to read through yet one more of these.

      As to if it’s author studied NLP or “simply believe that if they keep making vacuous statements about the complaint being rubbish for long enough the court will believe it.” => my money is on the later.

  • Marta

    Quote of the Day: two word summation by Jonny Jacobsen, “So there.”

  • Racnad

    Geir mentions meeting with Aaron Mason. I knew him from Apple School, and I know he was editor of the ironically named “Freedom Magazine” around the late-1990s. Now I see he was once a prisoner in “The Hole” (http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/08/scientology_concentration_camp_the_hole.php) Does anyone know more about Aaron or where he is now?

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    To give you an idea of how crazed these upper management execs truly are, and why, here’s a piece from BlownForGood (Marc Headley) about Gloria Idda, Sci Web Master (and apparently also Net Porn Police). These people are not just in a bubble, they are in an asylum inside a bubble. Seriously. Oh, and I have spoken about the ridiculousness of some of these former staff who now open up “business/website/techno expertise” businesses and fail the moment they lose too many scientologists as customers. Many will promote they are experts on Google algorithms and SEO tech. Only in their own minds and PR brochure. It’s almost as if the Hubbard Way is the way of fail.

    http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=18511

    • 0tessa

      The Sea Org is a real ‘Barmy Army’ if you ask me.

      • FistOfXenu

        As well as a Slavy Navy

  • Kim O’Brien

    DOMA struck down !!!! YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      By Justice Kennedy

      • Kim O’Brien

        interesting prop 8 ruling

        • Robert Eckert

          5 Justices basically said they didn’t want to hear the case at all, 4 that they wanted to rule on the merits. It was a weird breakdown (Roberts for the majority joined by Scalia and 3 of the Dem appointees; Kennedy for the dissent joined by Thomas and Alito but also Sotomayor) and the text of the opinion is all about under what circumstances they do or don’t want to hear appeals about state ballot initiatives: they didn’t like getting the English Only case from Arizona some years back, argued by the committee that put that piece of crap on the ballot, since the state officials didn’t want to defend it; the majority said this is the same, but the dissent said it is different because the California Supreme Court was specifically asked whether the ballot-initiative proponents had standing to defend the initiative when state officials wouldn’t, and said yes they did.

          The practical effect is that the District court ruling, striking down Prop 8 and re-legalizing same-sex marriage in California, is back in force with no stay (marriage licenses may be issued today; some county clerks may refuse to do so and start some new round of litigation). The majority said there was no question that “respondents had standing to initiate the suit in district court” (that is, the couples who were refused the right to marry did have an injury to complain about, and the District was right to hear the case) but “petitioners had no standing to appeal” (if the state officials did not want to reverse the District court outcome, these ballot-initiative proponents could not). This guarantees that the issue will be back to the Court: the outcome does not apply to any state but California, and does not address the Equal Protection argument at all.

          This is somewhat frustrating for those hoping to get a sweeping ruling on the merits of the issue. But to judges, these procedural questions of “standing” are important, if not on as personal a level as the substantive question to the couples seeking marriage: courts are jammed with garbagey cases; the Supreme Court gets a hundred times as many “petitions for cert” as it can grant; judges want some rules that tell would-be arguers that they should get out of the courtroom. From their perspective, what this ruling means is: yes, at some point we will hear the merits of the Equal Protection argument on the same-sex issue, but we would rather hear it when we have some more competent representatives to argue the other side (the anti-equality side was really pathetic in this round).

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Thanks for the breakdown.

            • Robert Eckert

              I was mistaken about “marriage licenses may be issued today”: the Supreme Court ruling is not “final” for 25 days and the stay will not be dissolved until then.

  • richelieu jr

    Hey, can anyone “RCOMPS” is?

    And why Miscavige would have been going crazy over it?

    As far as I can see it has nothing to do with Hollwyood Blvd….

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      “RCOMPS” is probably the inside sea org abbreviation for “L. Ron Hubbard Compilations unit”. Chuck Beatty would know best about this, but IIRC it is the unit that oversees and does the research and compilations of Hubbard works into books, issues and other items. They seem to have all the original files and anything issued as L. Ron Hubbard’s is given their ok first.

      • richelieu jr

        Thanks, Michael, that makes perfect sense!

  • Bradley Greenwood

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jHlIjBk-ss

    Maybe you have seen this… but it is new to me. It’s dramatic and pulse-pounding.

    • 1subgenius

      Who is being chased? Is it Tiziano?

      • Captain Howdy

        Yeah.

        These assholes are zooming around L.A, breaking speed laws, playing silly games about make believe bullshit, and some kid or old lady is going to get killed. Don’t play the game.

      • Bradley Greenwood

        That was the impression I got, but I am not certain.

      • richelieu jr

        I would have taken a big roll of duct tape and just taped the idiots into their cars until they could call for help…

        Or painted ‘I am a Private Eye Spying for Scientology’ on their car (or attached a sign to that effect…)

  • JonathanRoberts

    The days have long ago passed when a scientology search would turn up anything positive.

  • TickTockDM

    Scientology does not control the message about Scientology and it must never be allowed to do so.

    • Espiando

      Oh, I don’t think they will. Anon said it best back in 2008: We run this. We still do. We always will.

  • Jason Barclay

    Btw Geir’s blog is at http://isene.me/scientology/

    Thank you all for your awesome comments and feedback! I was really happy to be able to edit this. =D

    It’s awesome to know we have such a strong and intelligent community willing to speak out against the church and act likewise 😉

    • Robert Eckert

      Good to see you with a smile on your face, Jason!

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    These past few weeks my life hath overfloweth and I have only been peripherally trying to keep up with the march toward $cion demise and Bunker chat. Now that I am catching my breath, I took a step back to gather what is in MissCabbage’s in box. $cientology is a hydra-headed monster; I am verklempt that we are fighting so many national- and international-level battles on so many fronts:

    1. Laura DeCrescenzo’s lawsuit re forced abortion and folders release
    2. Garcia fraud lawsuit (Federal)
    3. Class Action lawsuit against NarCONon for fraud and RICO
    4. General NarCON Arrowhead and Georgia troubles–investigation, legislation, and regulation
    5. Cracks on the NarCONon front overseas
    6. EEOC lawsuit against the Miami chiropractor
    7. Utah ponzi scheme lawsuit
    8. Series of Karen de la Carriere and AGP videos
    9. “Scientologists at War” documentary
    10. Marty’s book, “Memoirs of a Scientology Warrior”
    11. Bizarre Yuliya Keaton Sea Org infiltration
    12. Will Smith’s fail and the “Cheer Up Will Smith” shtick
    13. Shooping of Portland Idle Morgue opening
    14. The appearance of a steady stream of new anti websites (e.g., ScientologyCelebrities)
    15. Continuous leaks and features at Tony’s
    16. Continuous leaks and features at Rinder’s
    17. Ongoing Anon activities

    What am I missing?

    Given the little furher’s proclivity for micromanagement and foot bullets, I am taking great joy in the flailing (and failing) tactical responses. And ALL of it is playing out on the Internets with the world to see! What is particularly satisfying is watching how local scuffles so quickly turn into national features now that the media is opening up about cult activities. This summer is certainly shaping up!

    Here is a shout out to everyone who has picked up a weapon (metaphorical, Tony!) on each of these fronts. There are too many heroes and soldier to name, but please, keep on and keep strong!

    • TonyOrtega

      Sheesh. I’m exhausted just looking at that list. And if you only knew what was COMING!

      • Espiando

        If it’s as powerful as you’re implying, Tony, I know what’s going to be coming: me.

      • Robert Eckert

        You’re such a tease, Tony!

      • Sherbet

        24. Tony’s book.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Yipee!!!

      • And I don’t rent cars!

        What do you mean you’re exhausted just looking at that list?! You’ve been reporting on ALL of it and more!
        No wonder you use the imperial “we” – there must be at least a dozen of you in that there Bunker of yours Messieurs Ortega! Word on the street is that you have a cloning machine between the coffee and scotch machines.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          Tony should be exhausted! That list should be the “What I Did On My Summer Vacation” school report–and it’s not even July yet!

          • aquaclara

            Methinks only the Bunker kitties are getting any sleep at the Ortega household. Did you see today’s posting times? Of course, we are so rewarded with all this stuff.

            What did we tag June, anyway? Juniciuos? I can’t recall. It’s about a billion posts down (might have been last week…).

            • Sherbet

              Junedicious, maybe, with all the judicial goings-on.

            • stateofcircle

              Real conversation recently in the stateofcircle estate:

              (Scene: mr. state and I on our respective recliners, me with the iPad, he with Xbox, our dog Stella put her paw on the iPad and awakened that stupid bitch Siri)

              Mr. S.: ” We should teach Stella how to use the iPad if there’s an emergency or something”
              Me: “Haha, yeah…I’m not sure what emergency can be solved with the iPad though..”
              Mr.S.: “I dunno, she can get Siri to call the cops.”
              Me: ” I guess….”
              Mr. S.: “You’d probably just teach her how to pull up the Bunker.”

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              So, does she? Too cute. Looks like dad (I think it’s the tongue)

            • Sherbet

              Mr. State was probably only slightly joking.

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            Actually, I wanted to add that your list is great, useful, and gives hope. I, too, wanted to start a list – a list of the signs that we were witnessing the end of this cult.

            On the other hand, sadly and disappointingly, I have noticed that historically this prediction has been gleefully made many times now, starting in the 70’s, if not earlier. As impressive as your list is, I’m starting to despair that trying to peck this beast to death is just not enough; even the thousands of cuts and wounds inflicted by the exes seems to not have delivered the fatal blow.

            Other than the IRS rescinding it’s 501(c) tax status or Homeland Security charging them with human trafficking or other Federal department charging them with felonies on a grand scale, which would all take greater political will than the U.S. seems to have, I lack the imagination to envision what it will take to finally end this nightmare.

            I do believe, however, that the cast of characters in the final act of this tragic play will be a very close to the source whistleblower, many lawyers, bureacratics, and a fearless politican or two. And oh yeah, I forgot, one f***g fearless journalist – whose name remains elusive at the moment ; )

            So on that nearly depressing note, here’s the start of my list:

            1. Instead of opening more Idle Morgues, the Co$ has a fire sale and unloads vast numbers of properties in its real estate portfolio. As we now know, Tommy Davis and his {healthy} wife have already been put in place to handle this.

            (Thanks BTN for the {healthy} wife reference.)

            2. The Freewinds is no longer in its traditional docking place and DM’s absence from Int Base is suspiciously prolonged and unexplained. J. Travolta’s plane is not at its usual hangar and has been seen loaded up with an extraordinarily large number of heavy old 1950’s style suitcases.

            3. ???????

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              3. The number of declares, under-the-radars, and blown folks. Check out Rinder’s today for some guesstimated stats: http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-the-number/

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Thanks. Will do.

            • Missionary Kid

              Mike assumes that the defections are more or less linear. I maintain that soon they will be like a body in free-fall. I also maintain that as the membership shrinks, since it has such a cumbersome administrative structure, that more and more of the work will fall on fewer and fewer people, and that it will cause even more of the overworked to blow, especially as they notice absences of others around them.

              Let the acceleration of defections begin!

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              His post wasn’t just about defections–but about declarations and other casualties. Don’t think he is saying 30 plus percent loss in just 4 years is linear!

            • Missionary Kid

              I remember reading an average of something like 9% each year for 3 years, looking at things one way. I guess I should clarify linear. What I meant was that the percentage of defections has remained constant. That, of course, means that the defections are not linear.

              My theory is that there will really be a tipping point, which I would call an acceleration of defections happening. I believe it will happen because the Co$ has a very unwieldy organizational structure. This is because DM is such a control freak.

              Control freaks do two things to keep control: keep organizations in turmoil and make sure that decision making is not distributed. Both are the things that drive people out of organizations.

      • Jgg2012

        “Celebrities leave Scientology in droves”
        “Miscavige drinks the kool-aid”
        “OTIX released–says OTI-VIII were just a joke”
        ok, maybe not, but its always enough to keep me coming back

        • Espiando

          OTVIII already handled that. It says that OT I-VII was a joke, and you were the joker and the victim.

          • Jgg2012

            I thought it said Christ was a pedophile? Anyway, one more:
            “SCIENTOLOGY BANKRUPT”

            • Espiando

              No, the “Christ was a pedo” thing was the R6 implant. The one that says that all religions were mocked up.

            • Jgg2012

              I thought Christianity / Christ on the cross was the implant, and the real Christ was a pedophile?

    • aquaclara

      18. Finding Tom Cruise a girlfriend of scilonic persuasion}
      (said in only half snarc).
      19. The SooperPowerz building
      20. More Anon activities
      21. Wondering what will come out next from the Tampa Bay Times. The silence must be killing him.
      22. Keeping Shelley quiet and hidden
      23. The release of GAT 2 and the new emeters, since there is a chance no one has opened the boxes in years.

      • Jgg2012

        Where is the first perfect clear?

        • aquaclara

          Oh, Davey’s ready for this one. It’s available to the highest bidder. Looks like one of these meritorious momentos…

          • sugarplumfairy

            Brains, heart, courage.. the prize at the end of the yellow brick road..

        • FistOfXenu

          With Jason Beghe’s “motherfucking OT”?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      This is Why i ask Observer to create a Scientology board game so we can keep tabs on who is on first…

    • Captain Howdy

      Between reading your comment and Robert’s SCOTUS comment, I either need to lay down or go get a drink.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Lay down..

        • Captain Howdy

          Baaaah! life’s too short. Plenty of time to sleep when you’re dead. 🙂

          • And I don’t rent cars!

            OK then. Play dead for the afternoon.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              And no, not the Grateful Dead.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              On second thought. Play Dead. Be Grateful.

            • Captain Howdy

              You sound like you beat me to the packie.

      • sugarplumfairy

        =)

      • FistOfXenu

        Why not do both?

    • Sherbet

      If you started your list in January, you’d have several anti-scn books hitting the market and Nancy Many’s story on national TV, and couple of TC bombed movies.

    • Jgg2012

      You ain’t seen nothing yet.

  • Espiando

    One correction: anon.fi predates Anonymous by nearly a decade, and, of course, has nothing to do with Anonymous but everything to do with anonymity. anon.fi was shut down in 1996 thank to the Scinos. Today, it’s regarded as the ancestor of Hushmail.

    For sauce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penet_remailer

    Other than that, everything about the video made me laugh my ass off. No wonder we had no problem with them in terms of the Net. Typical Sea Org; they put people in charge of things who know absolutely nothing about them. Of course, Hubtard never wrote up a hat for the Net, so Gloria Idda and her idiot husband Gavino were lost. Damn, Geir, it must have been like trying to teach eight-year-olds quantum mechanics. I’ve conducted some training classes for clueless individuals in my time, but this must have taken the cake. And, as we all know, the cake is a lie.

    Terrific work by the Dutch government. I’ll give a cheer of “God save King Willem-Alexander” while smoking a joint and looking at porn.

    As for the fraud case, I’ll just repeat what I said in re the first story: it’s Utah, the fraud capital of America. Scams are part of the landscape there.

    • And I don’t rent cars!

      So this is the backgrounder to Miss BloodyButt! (Correct me if I’m wrong.)Thanks for providing that little nugget. Now I finally know why he was targeted. Crazy stuff by crazier people.

  • Jgg2012

    I am glad to see the Netherlands, Australia and Belgium taking on a criminal organization which the world’s most powerful country is too scared to take on.

    • 0tessa

      Don’t forget France and Germany!

      • richelieu jr

        Mais, oui! Vive la France!

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          Mais n’oublions pas, Vive Richelieu!

          • richelieu jr

            Célà va sans le dire, noblesse oblige…

            • Sherbet

              Jeepers, I can understand all this French, and I’m YEARS out of high school. Mlle What’sHerName would be proud of me.

            • And I don’t rent cars!

              Lucky you. I had Soeur What’sHerName.

            • Espiando

              I had Freres for high school, but considering my language choice, I actually had Brueder.

    • richelieu jr

      Not to scared so much as self-neutered…

  • Roger Larsson

    Space
    heroes improved the communication technology with satellites. Computer heroes
    improved the communication technology with operative systems. Ron Hubbard’s heroic
    achievement in the improvement of the communication technology is questioned in the world.

  • aquaclara

    Geir, love this video – can’t wait for the rest!
    Google probably has a Hall of Ridiculous where this stuff lives on.
    The heaps of irony over the EFF action to begin with make me laugh.
    COB finally gets an award for something, after all the church’s fake trophying all over the place.
    Geir and company post a video on the internet about, well, Scilon’s problems with the internet.
    The entry in the Takedown HOS is for a parody that everyone but Davey found funny- especially funny knowing Davey doesn’t ever laugh.
    That the Hall of Shame award wasn’t for something crooked, like misleading websites or shoop-inflation.
    That Anons who brought lulz to Scilon-fighting in the first place are quite possibly still laughing over all this mess.
    That the parody showcased the destruction of the only teflon Sci-lebrity left in Hollywood.
    Aah…that magic moment when Davey learned about {winning} entry in the EFF’s version of the Razzies. That had to be a {good} day on LRH Boulevard.

  • Geir Isene

    Hi,

    It’s been a busy afternoon and evening here. Got back from the movies with my kids and a rather big snowball was already rolling down the hill. Here and Slashdot and then bigger media showed interest.

    Trying to read up on the comments here and elswehere. Did a post on this on my own blog where I noted that the OSA meeting happened in late Autumn 2001:

    http://isene.me/2013/06/26/cos-internet-war/

    I was helping out OSA EU from 1996, spying on critics, trying to infiltrate Andreas (of xenu.net), giving advice. But that meeting in 2001 started my work with OSA Int. It culminated with giving OSA a strategy on how to handle the 2009 Wikipedia ban before I left the church about two months later. More on this in an upcoming video.

    Thanks for all the comments. Will run through the comments now and answer what I can.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Aha! the Scientology Space Odyssey 2001. It’s all making sense.

      Need more popcorn for next installment.

  • AnonymousSP

    Bravo for posting cult-related legal documents.
    Miscavige, you keep on running but in the end, you just can’t hide.

    Welcome to the internet.

  • SP ‘Onage

    Wow. Thank you, Geir and Karen. OSA is so busted!

    General rule about the Internet is when you try to control it, you flirt with the possibility of becoming the target of some very powerful people who navigate this cyberspace.

    RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMBLE…hear dat?!

    Mount St. Scientology is erupting Epic Fail, again. Hahahah…ha!

    • Espiando

      Here’s the one problem they had: for all their Hubbardian emphasis on games, they failed to realize that controlling the Internet is a game. And if they were familiar with computer games at all, they’d know that there’s always a Final Boss waiting for them. The Final Boss of the Internet has no head and wears a black suit, and they foolishly thought that the same tactics they used to get through the rest of the levels would work in the Final Boss Battle.

      Epic Fail, indeed.

      • stateofcircle

        They are leveling down.

      • Geir Isene

        They have faced several level bosses already and lost to a few of them. But I somehow doubt they have met the final game boss just yet…

        • Espiando

          Geir, I was making a reference to a common phrase among Anons: “Anonymous is the Final Boss of the Internet.” They’ve met us. They’ve lost. And I can’t wait for your upcoming videos that discuss what you told them about us in 2008, and how they ignored you, to their peril.

          • Geir Isene

            Right. I believe there will be a new level of public outcry that will be yet another, bigger level boss 😉

      • SP ‘Onage

        Yep! Even if they use cheat codes they still won’t win the battle.

        Scientology vs Internet = Popcorn 😀

  • TonyOrtega
    • PreferToBeAnon2

      whoa! you just made my heart skip a beat! 🙂

  • Zana

    Cocaine doesn’t have withdrawal symptoms? Is that true? Are they serious?

    And…”they had doubts about the “willingness and ability” of Narconon to comply with the terms”….somebody is going to end up in some kind of Hole. Yeegads….!

    This is RICH! Thank you!

  • sugarplumfairy

    Gee.. I never finished reading this after I got distracted by Kennedy’s decision..

    Hmmm, co$ mixed up in a Ponzi scheme.. There’s a shocker..

  • DodoTheLaser

    Nice to see Geir here.

    We need more OT VIII’s in The Bunker sharing their insights.
    Even though we already have a few, and some Class XII’s.

    The irony.

  • Jason Barclay

    Yeah I was also floored to hear Geirs story. The Church could have easily fixed many of their internet problems but in the end “knew best”