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True Confessions of Ron Miscavige Sr., Father to Scientology’s Ultimate Leader

TrueConfessionsOfAKidLast week, we reported the surprising news that Ron Miscavige Sr., father to Scientology leader David Miscavige, had begun to emerge into the public eye in a rather unusual way.

We learned last summer that Ron had escaped from Scientology’s secretive International Base east of Los Angeles after reportedly spending many years of his life there. And “escaped” was the word that Ron himself was using to describe it, we were told. We hoped that he would soon talk publicly about what made him run away from the organization his son lords over, and also how he managed to get away from Int Base, with all of its layers of security.

But for now, Ron has written a short book about his childhood experiences, and he’s also been posting videos demonstrating exercise equipment that he markets through the Internet.

Previously, we showed you a glimpse of his “Exer-Genie” videos. And now we’ve received a copy of his childhood memoir, True Confessions of a Kid, which checks in at 112 digest-sized pages.

It’s a slim volume, to be sure, but we did enjoy these short glimpses of life in coal town Pennsylvania during the Second World War.

Growing up in Mount Carmel, Ron lived close to a wooded area the kids knew as “the green” where he had some of his early adventures. One involved setting a smoldering fire in an oak tree’s knot hole which turned out to have dire consequences for the tree and for a nearby house.

There are numerous stories like that in the book — kids looking for excitement and getting more than they bargained for. Ron seems to marvel that he even survived his childhood, the way he goofed around with sticks of dynamite and a .22 rifle that had a tendency to explode in his face.

But we found even more interesting the tales of his early years as a trumpet player in bars — as early as fifteen years old, he was playing professionally and buying beers for a dime a glass.

Ron seems to skip past his Marine years — perhaps he’s saving those for a future volume — and finishes the book with a tale about his days working in a plant that put oil under extreme pressures, and nearly blew up a town.

For Scientology watchers, we only spotted a few tell-tale signs of church vocabulary in the book. But for historians researching the Miscavige family tree, there are a few nuggets here that might prove useful.

Ron Miscavige can tell a tale, and he’s got a healthy sense of humor. Now, if we could just get him to tell us about his life playing trumpet for the Church of Scientology and living out at Int Base. And we can’t wait to hear about The Great Escape. Give us a call, Ron!

Here’s another look at Ron and his Exer-Genie…

 

 
 
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More Footage of Portland from Mark Bunker

Saturday was one of the wildest days we’ve had here on the blog. The day before, Mark Bunker had told us he had secured an amazing location from which to film Scientology’s “Ideal Org” opening in Portland, Oregon. He sent us a photo of the podium where things were going to happen so we could see just how good his vantage point was. We kept that secret, salivating for the next day’s festivities. But just a few minutes before things were supposed to start happening on Saturday afternoon, Bunker called us and let us know that Scientologists had intimidated a building owner so much he had rescinded Bunker’s permission to use his perch. For the next couple of hours, Bunker scrambled to find other locations where he could film the event. Every once in a while, he’d call in and we rapidly put what he told us up on the blog.

Eventually, he found a balcony about a block away where he was able to film Scientology leader David Miscavige speak at the event. But even there, a church operative, John Allender, did everything he could to disrupt Bunker. Now, Mark has put together a rather disturbing video where you can hear him battling with Allender, who is trying to reach Bunker’s camera.

Allender, of course, is already well known to the readers of this blog. In 2011, he was one of the initial “Squirrel Busters” who followed Lori Hodgson to Marty Rathbun’s home in Corpus Christi and began a bizarre five-month siege of the place. We called him a goon then, and it looks like he hasn’t changed his ways…

 

 
Bunker is looking into further fallout from his trip to Portland. He was telling us that there still may be consequences for the apartment dwellers who helped him do his filming, and for the parking attendant who was duped into helping out Scientology’s intimidation squad. Nice guy, that Allender.

Bunker has posted additional videos from Portland to his channel this morning, including David Miscavige speaking (with poor audio), an appearance by Bunker on the Lars Larson radio show, an appearance on the Terry Boyd radio show, and a lengthy and weird conversation with a woman outside the Ideal Org itself.

We had no idea that an Ideal Org opening could be so entertaining. So where’s the next one?

We checked Scientology’s website, and it lists five cities that will soon host Ideal Orgs. Does anyone have an idea which might be first?

Columbus, Ohio (Go, ‘Lumbus!)
Birmingham, England (And here’s the video describing this 33-million-pound project.)
Budapest, Hungary
Copenhagen, Denmark (Isn’t there already an Advanced Org there?)
Manchester, England
Montreal, Canada (Hey, that’s David Love country!)

Scientology’s ambitious plans also include three new Advanced Orgs! These are special facilities that can deliver the lower OT levels. (Only the Flag Land Base in Clearwater, Florida can deliver OT Levels up to OT VII, and OT VIII — the highest level — can only be achieved on the cruise ship the Freewinds.)

One AO would be the first on the African continent, in a location between Johannesburg and Pretoria.
Another is planned for a location near Toronto.
And a third is going into a shopping mall in Mexico City.

That’s a lot of purchasing of buildings, renovations, and fundraising. And still, there’s no real sign that the membership of the church is growing. (Actually, there’s plenty of evidence that it’s rapidly shrinking.) What is Miscavige thinking?

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on May 15, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Observer

    Oooo, I’m in striking distance of Columbus … that opening could be an adventure, if Davey hasn’t cut and run before then.

    It’s too early and I haven’t yet had enough coffee to enturbulate myself with Squirrel Buster #1’s creepy evil. Mark Bunker has some cojones, that’s for sure.

    • 10oriocookies

      meet you there.

      • Observer

        You’re on!

      • VickiStubing

        I’ll just have to join y’all, if only to shake Eric’s hand (and maybe give him a big ol’ bear hug). I don’t think my Ideal mOrg is EVER gonna open, sigh.

        • DeElizabethan

          Mine neither and I’d go down there in a minute. I’m happy if they don’t and hope I’m still alive if they do. Fail!

    • q-bird

      and not only that! He is also an extremely kind, big-hearted, entirely sensible dude too!

    • N. Graham

      Might have to go to that one too. I don’t think they will ever open the Detroit Ideal Org.

      • Pinkhammer

        Let’s hope not! Maybe they’ll start folding before then… At least they’d have a very difficult time closing down Jefferson Avenue to the public!

        • 10oriocookies

          We definitely WANT to see them try to close down Jefferson. Imagine John Allender going up against some of the locals. That would be hilarious.

          • Pinkhammer

            =) That would be worth seeing!

      • 10oriocookies

        I will surely make it to Detroit for an opening. Grew up at 19 and Schoenherr (dont try to pronounce if you dont know how, it will hurt your head).

        • And if you get “Schoenherr” then say: Gratiot! Lahser! Cadieux!

          • 10oriocookies

            Groesbeck

            • Hamtramck for the win!

            • 10oriocookies

              I was going to say Big Beaver for the win!

            • 10oriocookies

              I mean 16 mile rd

            • 10oriocookies

              I really meant Metro Pkwy

            • Guindon had a cartoon that only a local would understand. A man is leaning out his car window talking to a giant beaver who is saying “16 Mile… 16 Mile… I know it’s around here somewhere.”

        • Pinkhammer

          It’s hillaious to see the GPS try to cope with lots of those east side streets!

  • FistOfXenu

    Wow! So Ron Sr. started life as a normal human being with a real childhood doing the kind of stuff you did back then before kids grew up with TVs and Gameboys and computers and all the rest. So how the hell did he give the world a kid that acts like he never had a single day of normal real life? If somebody pushed a button behind DM’s back and it made him shut off I wouldn’t be surprised. His dad is at least a human being. Ron Jr. is like the 1st very short prototype of Lore. How’d that happen?

    I don’t want to be too hard on Ron Sr. because every parent has his regrets but did he ever realize he was raising a bratty little bully that thought the world owed him?

    • Observer

      What did Ron Sr do to screw Davey up? He got involved with Scientology. Davey didn’t have a chance at a normal childhood. He spent some of his formative years under the personal and malignant influence of L. Con Hubbard. That, coupled with his apparently inherent instability, pretty much destined him to become the vicious tyrant he is today. That’s not an excuse. He could have chosen to go a different route, but lacks any moral compass except Elron’s “ethics”.

      I doubt Ron Sr had any idea what a monster his son would become, however. What parent would be able to envision such a thing?

      • FistOfXenu

        Don’t get me wrong. I’m just trying to understand how the guy turned out like some kind of evil android. I’m not blaming Ron Sr. for anything except turning the kid over to Liar Ron Humbug. That was batshit crazy though I guess it didn’t look so bad at the time. But I thought that wasn’t til little Davey was almost a teenager? So he had some normal years 1st. Was his asthma so bad he couldn’t live like a real boy or something? That could explain a lot.

        • Observer

          I think he was born with something wrong in his head. If he’d had actual help instead of being exposed to Mankind’s Greatest Friend he might have turned out okay.

          • Del Ling

            I agree, his tendencies to violence and his pure sadism just found the perfect outlet. He might even have been a very high functioning person and have learned to control his behavior….

            • Poison Ivy

              He could’ve ended up a lot of places where those tendencies would be advantageous – organized crime, bouncer, repo man, law enforcement (apologies to 99% of cops – I have cops in my family). Of course if he kept the violence part in check and picked up a little education, he could’ve made it really big as a Hollywood agent (apologies to our agents), a Wall Street broker (apologies to JohnP), sales, and other professions where super narcissism and some sociopathic traits actually help rather than hurt.

            • Del Ling

              I wonder if one could – in a way – consider him the essence of what you become in scientology, as much as LRH is the essence of creating it. In a way DM is the extreme version of the Homo Scientologicus LRH envisioned, free from guilt, treating everyone as criminals if they think/look/feel wrong etc.

            • Poison Ivy

              Good comment.

            • N. Graham

              Don’t forget crack dealer.

            • At least the crack dealer offers something in exchange.

        • I’ve read that L. Con’s messenger girls on the ship could be mean in the way they delivered the messages. He knew how to twist the soul of a child.

          • Captain Howdy

            If you watch the Aaron Saxton video(s) on youtube he explains how much power the CMO’s have, and how they are allowed to terrorize pretty much whoever they want.

            • q-bird

              yep Captain ~ http://youtu.be/AqzT8ZOD6mc to begin.

              oops – i accidentally clicked on an advert. ‘what is scion.’ shoot!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Hey Q! Thanks for my AV…..I saved it so I can change the words to suit my mood.
              You rock.

            • Captain Howdy

              You need Adblock-plus.

          • FLUNK_101

            They were trained to deliver the message in the same tone of voice as Hubbard’s. If Ron said something in an angry tone, so did the young lady in hot pants.

        • IIRC an article on a study done on serial killers / sociopaths like Ted Bundy there were three things that almost always were somewhere in their backgrounds: Sexual abuse (of them), physical abuse (of them) and head injury.

          Not discounting that genetic or pre-natal neurological defect might also be present.

      • richelieu jr

        What I’ve yet to hear adequately explained is what Wright references in his book, and Marty has spoken of- Little Davey (in the young sense) was being given all sorts of advantages, even though he was failing his audits and even assaulted an auditing subject at one point This was as a kid and young man… Clearly someone was protecting him and saw some advantage in advancing a boy wonder’ so quickly..

        That couldn’t have helped. From the very beginning the nasty little POS was learning that his actions had no consequences and that he was better than everyone else…

        • Observer

          I wonder if that’s Elron’s doing. He may have admired Davey’s overtly brutal behavior since he was more of a snake-in-the-grass type who had others do his dirty work.

          • Captain Howdy

            I think it’s mostly the height thing. It really messes with a man’s head from what I’ve seen. I had a friend who was short and he committed suicide, and I’m sure his height played a part in that.. Most of the bullies I’ve seen in my life were short.

            • Poison Ivy

              A lot of short guys channel it into other areas besides megalomaniacal sadism. My Mom was the first person to point out to me how many actors are really short.

            • Captain Howdy

              Sophia Loren standing in a hole so Alan Ladd could be taller than her pops into my head.

            • Then there’s Tom Cruise, who channeled into both acting and megalomaniacal sadism.

            • Observer

              Yep. I have a male relative who is my age and topped out at about Davey’s height. When we were kids the taller I got–and I was always significantly taller–the more of a living hell he made my life. We’re good now though.

        • Poison Ivy

          Even Jenna says he could be charismatic. But as for how he turned out so messed up, there’s the short thing, the asthma thing, and of course, most sociopaths are born as well as made.

          • FistOfXenu

            I practically expect charisma in a sociopath. Their charm button. Doesn’t change the monstrosity that happens when they hit the off button. It’s gotta be rough getting older and seeing your son’s become COB.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I practically expect charisma in a sociopath.

              As well you should! It is usually part of the package.

      • Michael Barger

        From a psychological point of view there is the possibility that DM is a clinical psychopath, and there is research that suggests that psychopaths are born with defective brain structures.

        If this hypothetical possibility is correct then neither Ron Sr nor Scientology are responsible for his personality and character.

        In other words even had the family not entered into Scientology there is the possibility he would have become a more garden variety psychopathic con man in a different career.

        The behavior of his twin Denise has not been reported as psychopathic though it is clear from her deposition and others in the Kyle Brennan wrongful-death suit that she lied repeatedly about her involvement in his death.

        Ron Sr and Ron Jr have now both left Scientology, which suggests to me that DM is unique in his family with a personality disorder for which unfortunately Scientology provides a free rein.

        • SciWatcher

          This is the sense that I have of DM.

          • Poison Ivy

            I don’t know if Hubbard ever would’ve been ‘normal.’ Seems as if he was certainly narcissistic and a compulsive liar as a kid. However, sometimes it’s hard, with kids, to separate the “liar” part from the “imaginative” part, and clearly LRH was both. I think the Affirmations are interesting to read in that regard. Hubbard had some sense of self-awareness, clearly, or he wouldn’t have been telling himself in the affirmations that he really shouldn’t exaggerate so much. Maybe you’re right, with the right medication and some serious therapy, he would’ve been somewhat better…but he was pretty warped. I think it would’ve been hard to teach him empathy or humility.

        • Observer

          Not just free rein, but influential contacts and huge, ill-gotten financial resources as well. This can’t end in anything but disaster for someone.

          • grundoon

            There’s already a trail of bodies.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              And it sure would be nice to see that trail dead end soon.

              And no, the pun was not intended.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I agree with you and can tell you from personal experience that a sociopath just “is”.
          It is not fair to blame parents for that.
          They usually blame themselves enough over something they had no control over.

          • Poison Ivy

            True. Ever read The Bad Seed?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              No, but one was planted next to me once!

              πŸ˜‰

              I bought a metaphorical chain saw and took care of it.

            • Captain Howdy

              Was that you speaking or the percocet?

      • NoName

        Li’l Davey was a fucked up kid even by Scientology standards. Who ever heard of sucker punching a preclear before Davey came alone?

      • “That’s not an excuse. He could have chosen to go a different route…”

        It depends where you stand on “free will” but many would argue that a choice is exactly what he didn’t have. Miscavige’s actions have been precisely determined by a combination of his genetic disposition and the effect of every external influence on him since birth. In order for him to have behaved any differently from the way he did, all other things being equal, you’d have to posit some agent external to his physical brain (a thetan perhaps :D) that influenced his actions. This sort of dualism is exactly what Christians , for example, rely on to explain why a perfect God allows people to do awful things.

        It doesn’t mean that Miscavige shouldn’t face consequences for this actions, but in an enlightened society, those consequences wouldn’t be purely retributive in nature.

        • Poison Ivy

          Retributive. That’s a word I haven’t used in a long time; thanks for reminding me of it. It’s a great one.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          But the Christian view is not that “free will” is a lack of choice. No matter what the influences/circumstances/genetic disposition, ultimately every action you take is your choice. And every choice has a consequence, for good or ill.

  • FistOfXenu

    Mark Bunker’s footage is more disturbing. Allender should’ve been dragged away in cuffs for trespassing and menacing behavior. He threatened a woman? OTVIII my ass.

    • The most disturbing part about Allender’s behavior is that the more OT Scientologists become the more and more they become mentally disturbed. Their minds are slowly decayed by the processing, not fixed. Allender probably wasn’t entirely sane to start with, but his descent into madness can be at least partly attributed to Scientology.

  • Missionary Kid

    Obviously, Co$, with it’s penchant for paranoia and secrecy, hates Mark Bunker. Just the fact that they had as many people as they did who were ready to rush the Outdoor Store in Portland to get Mark kicked out is testament to that.

    What is so dangerous about someone doing a video of a ceremony of group opening a “church?” Why is there so much fear of outsiders?

    • sharon brown

      Exposure to the Truth .

      • Missionary Kid

        Exactly

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Yes. That. Truth and light are anathema to the CoS.

    • yeah, I heard people were caught trying to take photos of the dali lama and they were harassed and almost pushed off buildings. NOT

      • Missionary Kid

        Yup. The Dali Lama doesn’t attack. That’s all that Co$ does.

        I remember a bible verse that I memorized as a kid: “And men loved darkness because their deeds were evil.” That sure fits the Big Cockroach, DM.

  • 10oriocookies

    Dear John Allender,
    Fuck You.
    Eric

    • Missionary Kid

      What Eric said X10.
      What does it feel like, being such a tool? Oh, that’s right, Co$ teaches you not to feel.

      • FistOfXenu

        And that toolness is an OT power.

        They start teaching toolness right at the very beginning. “TRs” isn’t “training routines” it’s “toolness routines”.

        • FistOfXenu

          Sorry, I couldn’t help myself:

          • Sherbet

            Oh, you COULD HAVE helped yourself, but we’re glad you didn’t. (BTW, if that sign were real, scns would even understand what it means. I think they’d take it as a compliment. Toolness — sounds good and sciontoliffic.)

            • Captain Howdy

              You meant “tooliness”, right ?

            • Sherbet

              That makes it clearer and more DM.

            • FistOfXenu

              Better? πŸ™‚

            • Sherbet

              Works for me, o FOXy one.

            • Flubless, flawless tool routines.

            • LOL!

  • 10oriocookies

    Dear David Miscavige,
    You need bigger heels, the ones you use barely get you over the podium.
    Eric
    PS Fuck You too

    • Missionary Kid

      Amen.

  • Perhaps Ron Sr and DM were exercise buddies out at the Int base. They both seem to have an interest in it. The fact that Ron Sr. seems to have a strong marketing bent makes me think he will spill the beans and write a book, unless he’s already been paid off not to do so. I think Marc H. was offered money not to publish his book.

    That Mark Bunker video is chilling where you hear the exchange between him and Allender. John is a bully, and he’s obviously been getting away with it for a long time. Mark needs to have back-up when he doing his filming, someone to call 911, even if he’s on private property. Or even his own private rent-a-cop.

    • Del Ling

      Agree on the backup. I think Mark was taken by surprise by the violence. My guess is that Slappy (or someone close to him) realized that he would have to clearly see Mark all the time during the speech across the street and that provoked the whole thing.

      Backup and a thorough briefing of all involved parties (owners of buildings etc). A backup location similarly secured in advance. Hindsight works every time…

    • villagedianne

      LRH does not look like he execised a day in his life. Guess he was too busy exorsizing (BT’s).

    • I think Ron Sr. is taunting Davey by NOT writing a tell all book. Hey, Ron Miscavige wrote a book everybody run and hide, oh wait, it’s about his childhood. Hey there are YouTube Videos by Ron Miscavige, quick everyone watch them for hidden content. What better way to keep Davey boy running for the toilet? Just when Davey thinks he’s safe and Ron Sr. won’t do anything, THEN he can write the book.

      • grundoon

        If DM is true to form, he’s still keeping Pat Broeker under 24 hour surveillance even though Pat has had zip to do with Scientology this century.

  • TickTockDM

    Perhaps the next ideal org will be in Bulawayo, Zimbabwe?
    http://www.newsday.co.zw/2013/05/15/council-evicts-church-tenants/

  • Del Ling

    full of PRUNES? Is that some sort of slang?

    • Missionary Kid

      It’s an old expression, like full of beans, which is a more polite way of saying full of shit.

      • Del Ling

        Ah, thanks. Old expressions like that are hard to get in a language you’re not native in.

        • Missionary Kid

          English was a second language for both my parents,even though my mother was born and raised in the U.S.

          The third was Chinese.

          I asked my father which language was hardest to learn. He said,”English, by far.” Yes, I know, there are many different dialects in Chinese, but I’m talking about the Mandarin he spoke with the natives.

          We have so many words and phrases that come form other languages, as well as all sorts of idioms (Edit: Also often borrowed) that it can be very hard for a non-native speaker.

          Spelling is another PITA. You’ll notice that when we have “Spelling Bees” that the children are allowed to ask what language a word originally came from. It’s because words in English that have been adopted usually follow the spelling rules of the language of origin.

          • Del Ling

            I only know of Spelling Bees from movies. I don’t think such a thing has ever existed where I live, probably because the number of words are far fewer since the outside influences into Scandinavia has been so much smaller. We’ve had a very rigid standardized spelling for a long time and only some groups of words imported from mainly French and German. (More recently from English, of course.)

            Nowadays, the kids here actually start to learn a bit of English in preschool. Back when I was little we started at about 11-12 years old. Also since we subtitle movies and TV instead of changing voices most everyone understands a lot of English.

            We do have the interesting language feature where we can (in theory) create words that are however long you like…

        • “Prunes” are commonly eaten as a laxative by those who are constipated. “Beans” are notorious for causing flatulence. Thus the use of those two in euphemisms.

      • media_lush

        not really; “full of beans” means a lot of energy…. little Johnny is full of beans today. Although the Urban Dictionary lists it’s second definition as “full of shit” I have never, ever heard that usage…. check out the up and down votes and most people agree with me

        • Missionary Kid

          With all due respect, to the urban dictionary, you have to realize that I was raised NOT to use swear words – and darn and heck were considered to be verboten, since they were contractions for damn and hell. Is that strict enough for you?

          Yes, a popular usage would be for a kid with a lot of energy.

          On the other hand, when someone would say something that was out of line or outrageous, or a lie, one might say, “I think he’s full of beans.” It was a less confrontational way of saying, “I don’t think he knows what he’s talking about.

          Ya gotta realize I’m in my late 60s, and I grew up around a lot of very strict Christian adults who were substantially older. They would also use the phrase for a wild kid, or one who had a lot of energy, but no focus. It had a flexible usage.

          I realize that both I and our language have changed. I didn’t bother with the urban dictionary, but answered simply from memory.

          Edit: There’s a lot of phrases in English that have different regional or sociological group meanings. There’s a lot of phrases I’d never heard of until I lived in the South or met New Englanders after living in the Midwest and California.

          My answer was simply from my experience. Your mileage may vary.

        • GalacticGreg

          Lush- what’s your e-mail address. I have something that could make a cool post. Wanna shoot it over to you.

          • media_lush

            Just add @hotmail.com to my handle here

  • richelieu jr

    Wouldn’t it be great if that kid had had his testicles ripped off in a bizarre gardening or biking accident? No suffering mind you, and full sexual function and pleasure, just no swimmers capable of crating the deformed midget we know as DM..

    Ahh.. A boy can dream, can’t he?

    • sugarplumfairy

      But then we wouldn’t have Jenna.. And we love Jenna..

      • richelieu jr

        I must say, he book really knocked me out. Even if someone weren’t interested in Scientology, I would recommend it… She is someone who has an absolutely singular story to tell…

        So glad she got out and is enjoying real life and her family (I was shocked to find that her adored in laws also require all their employees to study Scientology.. Shades of a certain lawsuit?)

    • Del Ling

      I think LRH and the CMO would have spawned some other dictator. Maybe not as openly violent and sadistic though. Could have spared a lot of people a lot of suffering I guess.

    • FistOfXenu

      As much as that appeals in some ways I’m not sure about it. I wouldn’t like to punish the father for how his son was gonna turn out later. That reminds me of a TC movie and that’s never a good thing. Sterilizing a guy painless or not is suffering. And at least Ron Sr. had another kid that didn’t turn out batshit insane and like SPF now we have Jenna. Life’s a bitch and that can work both ways.

      Anyways I think most parents (me included) have suffered because of our kids already even if they turned out real good in the end. πŸ˜› Imagine how Ron Sr. must be feeling? He gave the world the Stalin of fake religions and he did it by letting the Lenin of fake religions take over raising him. That’s gotta hurt. We have hindsight and he didn’t. I lean to going easy on him at least until I know more. The guy’s gotta be in pain there. I just wonder why the kid’s such a dipshit.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Good post FOX!

        • FistOfXenu

          Hi BTN! Thanks. I have to admit there’s part of me that looks at Ron Sr. and Davey and then looks at me and my kids and I think “that could’ve been me and how would I live with myself?” I mean, the guy had to escape from his own kid. All the facts we can see say it wasn’t really his fault except for being conned by Liar Ron Humbug and there’s a lot of people that sailed in that boat. He wanted the best for a son he didn’t know how to help. But I bet it still hurts like hell if he lets himself think about it.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I bet it does too.

      • richelieu jr

        UNless I hear Ron Sr say publicly he’ snot OK with everything, I see no reason to accept that he’s not.
        He’s old. Every right-thinking member of his family is out. If you don’t speak up you are part of the problem.
        Glad he’s out. Glad he had a cool childhood. Thousands of other kids (including some in his own family) did nat have/are not having healthy fun childhoods because of him and his twisted son.
        Man up grandpa… I don’ think its-‘ scute how much fun you had in the old days. Read Jenna’s book– Sound like fun to you?

        • aquaclara

          Hard to do all this when you are a parent. I think we have to give him room. It had to be almost impossible to accept all that we imagine happened. Parents cannot be in the position of also holding the objective point of view.
          He has to hold some tremendous hurt inside. I would simply love for Ron to trust Tony enough to answer just a few questions or provide a bit of insight as to what happened to him.

  • richelieu jr

    I am one of the people who didn’t get the emails…

    And I can’t tell you how hurt I am that you all got together and chatted without me….

    I certainly hope you didn’t enjoy it.

    • Missionary Kid

      What are you, a $cion?

      Sorry, that was supposed to be a joke.
      We missed you, but now that you’re here, have at it.

  • richelieu jr

    England and Hungary are possible for me, depending on when they happen… How fun!

    • VickiStubing

      Oddly enough, I have a friend in Budapest. Wish I could hop over and greet Wee Davey with you. I’d love to enturbulate him on two continents!

    • Del Ling

      KΓΈbenhavn is possible for me as in travel over the day – if I have an income at the time… The other European sites could be nice vacations.

    • sister wendy

      Switzerland is possible for me…

      • richelieu jr

        Is there one in Switzerland? Me too!

        • sister wendy

          yes! They’ve been trying to open an “ideal org” for almost ….hmmmm…..15 years now;) We even donated money to it when we were in. I think it may never happen, but it’s on the list of “happening now” in Basel. There’s a great short film in French about the state of Corp Sci here. They have the new building picked out and everything;)

          • richelieu jr

            Do you have a link? I speak French (obviously)

            • sister wendy

              just a sec…..

            • sister wendy
            • sister wendy

              It was “exciting” for me to see;) I know those people. But such a completely different feeling from now when I’m out….

  • media_lush

    Another church refurb in Zimbabwe of all places, and a rather strange quote:

    “A group of people who were nearby and identified themselves as members of the Church of Scientology said they wanted to renovate the building before they moved in.
    β€œWe are still discussing this as the members of the Church of Scientology, we do not want media coverage, so will you please leave,” an unidentified female member said.”

    …. well, we all know what to do when they don’t want ‘media coverage’, eh?

    http://www.newsday.co.zw/2013/05/15/council-evicts-church-tenants/

    • Captain Howdy

      Zimbabwe? Is this D.M trying to accomplish what his “father” didn’t by finally conquering Rhodesia? I’m guessing if this is true that the Zimbabwe org will be the permanent “hole” for all major league S.P’s, seeing as how Zimbabwe is a complete hell hole as it is.

      • Poison Ivy

        Where is John P on tracking down DM’s secret escape lair? Could it be in darkest Africa? Does he fancy himself the great White Hunter come to finally conquer this unruly civilization? I would love to see COB go nose to nose with some of the warlords down there. I imagine it would not end too well for COB.

        • Captain Howdy

          Robert Mugabe would literally eat Slappy for breakfast.

          • FistOfXenu

            Maybe not. Mugabe might be more civilized than DM. But I bet he could find a few big cats that need to eat.

            • Captain Howdy

              Mugabe has killed more people than ever were in scientology. And that’s a conservative estimate.

            • FistOfXenu

              I know, but how many did he eat? πŸ™‚

            • Captain Howdy

              A slew and a kitten kaboodle to boot!

            • FistOfXenu

              Really? I missed that part. I knew he’s a beast but I didn’t hear about the cannibalism.

          • Johan

            I almost wish he would try to throw his weight around there..because, yes Bob will chew him up and spit him out

            • stateofcircle

              You know, DM and Grace Mugabe have a lot in common…they like to spend a ton of money on clothes and real estate, and beat people up. Oh and you know, stealing all the power for themselves at the expense of their people.

        • aquaclara

          I envision Davey ultimately hiding in plain site in Hollywood, near his buddy TC, right where Angry Gay Pope can haunt him forever, and not too far from where WBM can nicely “bump” into him now and again. I envision more lovely man-on-the-street interviews by Mark, where he can ask Davey about the weather….and other things.
          *evil grin*

  • OTWhat?

    Allender is quickly becoming the poster boy of Scientology.

    • ThetaBara

      Yeah, he’s a right Tommy Davis junior.

    • FistOfXenu

      He needs to be 1 of the FBI’s poster boys in the post office

  • N. Graham

    Mr. Miscavige must be saving his Scientology info for a later book also. That one could be a best-seller!

    • Del Ling

      Not so sure, it’s a very difficult thing for a parent to write a book critical about a child. Even more so if he feels guilty over what eventually became of DM…

      • N. Graham

        He’s not proud of his son, the Pope?

  • Truthiwant

    The end of Mark Bunker’s video on John Allender…

    “This is a shining example of what it means to be an OT EIGHT”.

    No, that should read OT HATE.

    • Michael Barger

      Can anyone confirm whether Tom Cruise has become OTVIII yet? Thanks.

  • media_lush

    I don’t know whether its just an iPad thing but the ABC story from yesterday seems to have removed ALL comments. Can somebody double check?

    • AnonymousSP

      comments are still up

    • Sidney18511

      did you hit the navigation button on top then the “view full site”(or something like that) then search Scientology?

    • aquaclara

      My iPad doesn’t show the comments, either. However, they are still there if you can look from a regular screen. Please note that it appears MANY comments have been removed, with just a tiny handful that bear a note indicating such.
      I posted three comments, and all have been erased. No bad words were used, but I did call out ABC for their actions. Looking more closely through the list, I don’t see as many names as I thought I read yesterday.
      There are still 220 comments on the site – not bad.

  • Captain Howdy

    I listened to approx 18 minutes of the D.M speech, and from what I could make out he was talking about all the supposed opposition and bigotry the church faced back in the 70’s, 80’s. He uses the words “brainwashing” and “deprogramming” a few times. To bad the sound wasn’t a tinier bit better because it wasn’t the usual numbers nonsense.

    In the first couple of minutes you can hear the tussle between Bunker and Allender. Allender screams a profanity at someone and then he tells Scottie, the person who invited Bunker in, that he hates tattoos and that anyone who has one shouldn’t be there, to which Scottie replies “but I live here”. At least that’s what I thought I heard.

    • Bob

      CH, Where is that located? On Bunkers site? I would like to listen.

    • The “I hate tattoos” guy was another tenant shouting out his window. He said he was filming the whole thing but unfortunately he was just bluffing.

      • Captain Howdy

        Thanks for the clarification.

        • georget1952

          I was waiting for that, when I saw her going round and round with Mark in the first couple minutes of the video. I was hearing the carnival music in my head that Mark used when Mary did that with him years ago.

      • Poison Ivy

        Great stuff Mark. Hope you’re rested and recovered from the ordeal today.

    • FistOfXenu

      You got that far? That’s what I call stamina.

  • Marta

    “The sound was turned down.” ….and the crowd can thank Mark Bunker for that blessing.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Mark Bunker’s bravery, stamina and steadfastness in his seriously heroic effort to expose co$ for the fraudulent, abusive entity that it is never ceases to amaze and impress me.. I made another donation but I wish there were other ways we could help.. I hope and pray he has plenty of backup..

  • richelieu jr
    • sugarplumfairy

      That’s just frkng weird.. I hope the kid is NOT into scientology and wants to distance himself from it, and not vice versa..

      • Poison Ivy

        That would be pretty cool, if he wanted to get out from under the CO$ thumb.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Yep..

    • media_lush

      As one who follows the underbelly of the media sites there was a lot of chatter that its not so much Will who is pro Scientology but more so his wife, Jada (see her recent appearance at scions anti-slavery front thing I put up on my blog). Enty pretty much stated that a lot of their recent troubles were down to her insistence on keeping the kids going to that Scientology school and the general belief of scientologists to give their kids free rein and not punish them. It’s funny that they both supposedly say that they don’t believe in punishing their kids; behind the scenes I reckon there’s a lot of tension when one parent does and the other doesn’t.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Very well said..

      • Captain Howdy

        Yea, that emancipation thing screamed “big being tapped in little body” to me when I read it yesterday

        • FistOfXenu

          He shouldn’t eat so many big beanz. That’s where all the hot air we heard comes from.

        • Poison Ivy

          The Smiths live on a highly guarded compound the size of a small village tucked into the mountains on the eastern side of Malibu. I’m surprised Jaden just doesn’t move to one of the guest houses.

          • Captain Howdy

            Somebody suggested the same thing in the comments section of the article I read yesterday. I’m guessing he wants his own castle so he can be the superstar big being that his whack job parents have ego stroked him into him obviously believing that he is. That kid is creepy and a future disaster of some kind.

  • RE: “Montreal, Canada (Hey, that’s David Love country!)” I’ll be checking out the empty Org building again in about 10 days and send you an update. I doubt Montreal will be next up, but hey’, who knows for sure what’s up with $cientology next?

    • aquaclara

      More excellentness from the north. Looking forward to your notes.

  • They are so proud of their Ideal Orgs that they will go to great lengths to prevent people from seeing the opening ceremony or providing free publicity!

    • Missionary Kid

      Oh, the irony!!!

  • Observer

    Can anyone point me to a good, clear pic of John Allender? I feel a shoop coming on later …

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Will this work?

      • Observer

        Hahahaha!

      • Ms. B. Haven

        Nice try BTN2, but you got a picture of the wrong end…

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Damn, you are so right!

      • SS

        That one really made me laugh my ass off – thanks.

      • Johan

        The ass is a lot cuter than Allender….

    • Captain Howdy

      Somebody beat you to it.

      But I’m sure you can do better.

      • Observer

        That’s genius!

        • Captain Howdy

          Credit goes to someone calling themselves “Sponge” on WWP.

      • Michael Barger

        San Jose South Bay Statcrashers approve of this shoop.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    For shit sakes bunkerites…I can’t leave here for a minute!

    You guys had way too much fun without me!
    (good on you!)

    • Sherbet

      The moral of the story is, don’t leave here for a minute!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Hey, I spent 7.5 solid hours totally drugged up (OK, that part was really cool) yesterday in a dentist chair.
        Then I tried to read the bunker when I got home but I was still totally drugged and eventually just passed out.

        • Del Ling

          Drugged up AND thought it was cool…. So where should we deliver the truckload of niacin? You booked your month in the sauna in advance I hope.

          (Hope your teeth got better! 7.5 hours!)

          • BuryTheNuts2

            How do you think they turned out?

            • Roger Larsson

              Kool cigarettes cure lung cancer and the ones opposing this statement kill smokers of Kool. Religion is opium to people.

            • Ivan Mapother

              You pathetic whore. Tommy would ask you to file down that incisor and you know it. You are just trying to enturbulate him because your audition went south. On the positive side, he had to love the eye brows.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Actually, I did up the eyebrows deliberately. I been trying to capture Capt. Howdy’s heart for like, ever.
              Think this will do it?

            • Captain Howdy

              Sorry, I don’t do fake brows as well as boobs.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Damn!

            • FistOfXenu

              What?! You went to Tom Cruise’s dentist? What were you thinking?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I wanted a “movie star” mouth!

            • Kind of came out like ‘deliverance’ “You hav a purty mouth”

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Well, ….at least it was a movie!
              πŸ˜‰

            • Sherbet

              No, she went to “Dr.” Nobbe, the scn chiropractor. He can’t get anyone to staff the office anymore, since that little EEOC incident, and he sort of goofed the floor while he was manipulating Bury’s bones. This is the result.

            • That is…. disturbing….

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Are you rescinding your invitation for me to stop and say “Hi” when in Corvallis?

              Damn, I was already packed MLT!!!

            • No, no. Go ahead and come on. I’ll stock up on toothbrushes…

            • InTheNameOfXenu

              She/he looks like she/he finished the Super Power Rundown. Way to go Hubbard! Another win for $camology!

            • He/she was doing the oilyness rundown when she/he slipped did a face plant on the toothiness table.

            • i-Betty

              The oiliness rubdown.

          • Sherbet

            I want to see when Bury turns blue from niacin! Pix, please!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              RED, I can tell you from true life experience. Freaking bright RED.

            • Del Ling

              I tried…. The blue one is more fun I think.

              That pic… I understand why it took 7.5 hours to get there, assuming any sort of normality as a starting point.

            • Sherbet

              Love both of ’em, Del!

            • Poison Ivy

              That reminds me, where is Tory lately? I miss her drop-ins.

            • Sherbet

              She popped in yesterday or the day before.

    • Captain Howdy

      What’s your excuse?

      • FistOfXenu

        Yup. We need a note from an adult. And no forging the signature! Or else you’ll have to stay after in Mr Ortega’s office and write lines.
        “I must not play hooky from the Bunker” 1000 lines!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Oh My…..you just restimulated my entire childhood!

  • Ze Moo

    I can’t see anyone bothering the apartment dwellers who helped Bunker. The video is shot and nothing good can come from harassing them. Oh yeah, given past performance of the cult, it could happen. Hopefully we will hear if anything happens.

    John Allender would get his ass kicked if he tried anything like that on me or anyone I know. And then he would be arrested. Mark Bunkers self-restraint is amazing. I still don’t understand why Portland media have almost ignored the visit of Miscaviage. One of the TV stations has done stories on anonymous protests at the mOrg, why ignore the last weekends fun??? I guess they think any publicity is good publicity…..

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I still don’t understand why Portland media have almost ignored the visit of Miscaviage.

      ^^^ because in the big scheme of things (outside of those of us with knowledge)
      …David Miscavige truly is a “nobody”.

      • claybonnyman

        Your point re Portland media, along with one above noting the disparity between Co$’s “pride” in its Idle Morgues (I learned that here and it tickles me every time I think of it) and attempts to limit public knowledge about them, make me curious as to whether they offer press passes to local media. I’m guessing not, given Hubbard’s disdain for media.

        Anybody know?

        I have worked in media for most of my life. With any other religion, getting coverage for dedicating a new temple or church would be considered manna from heaven.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          It is all about appearances with Scientology.
          Smoke,… meet mirror.

          Almost everything they do is really to keep the current clams in line.

          Oh, and of course to badger (recover) one into going back on lines about once every six months.

        • stateofcircle

          I’m actually pretty pleased that there was no coverage of the event. Obviously it wasn’t important enough.

          If Scientology had millions of members as they so claim, especially in the US, especially-er in a city so central and important to them, the media would be covering it, as it would be of interest to millions of people. But since it’s only of interest to a few thousand people at best, why bother covering it. Just my two cents…

    • FistOfXenu

      1st thing, kicking Assender’s ass proves nothing. He WANTS that. I mean to say DM wants that so he can feed bullshit to the press about persecution of his thugs and then sick his law whores on you. Jerks like Assender are drilled to provoke people to hit them. He knows where the line is and he won’t cross it because he wants you to do that.

      2nd thing, no matter what really happened when you hit him the $cientarCONon law whores would tie you up for years trying to prove that you started the fight and you should go to jail. Even if Assender hits you 1st DM’s law whores would start by suing you for attacking Assender’s hands with your face. Unless you had back up filming the whole thing and unless they got a good video of Assender starting it all you’d go broke before you won.

      3rd thing, if you wrestle a pig, even if you win you still end up covered in pig shit. Mark Bunker is a class act and knows that. Just think, Assender failed to stop the filming and failed to get Mark Bunker arrested or thrown out of the building. He crawled back to DM full of FAIL. Probably shitting himself all the way back. Don’t worry, he got his ass kicked all right. He went back to the Demented Midget and got the shit knocked out of him for failing.
      “Assender: FLUNK!” Shoop THAT.

      4th thing, there’s an exception to everything. IF you have good back up getting everything on video and IF it’s real clear that you have a right to be there and IF you make it real clear to Assender that he’s trespassing and IF he somehow loses control and kicks off and does something way over the line on camera so you have to defend yourself or somebody else from real harm, then IF he ended up unconscious on the floor even though you only used minimum necessary force so it was easy for the police to cuff him when they get there, you’d probably get away with it. But that’s a whole lot of IFs. Unless he puts somebody in immediate danger it’s not worth it.

      Don’t get me wrong. I’m not too nice to knock the guy senseless if he does real hurt to somebody. The guy’s a 24 carat rat bastard douchebag and there’d be real satisfaction in jacking up his jaw. But if your legal grounds for it aren’t water tight the price for that pleasure’s too high. This way, we sit back and enjoy the thought of him explaining to DM that a “degraded SP” like Bunker has more confront than DM’s OTVIII full time bully. Then we sit back and imagine DM’s reaction to that explanation.

      Ah, life is sweet!

      • DeElizabethan

        Fist- Great post!

        • FistOfXenu

          Thanks!

      • stillgrace

        FOX, I really appreciated your post. Thanks for reminding us that the asshat is purposefully attempting to cause people to lose it. And thanks for that sweet moment of savoring the asshat’s FAIL.

        • FistOfXenu

          Thanks Grace. I know I spend a lot of time blowing off steam here and generally ranting joking and degrading. If I didn’t I couldn’t stand being here. But I also try to post 1 thing ever week that could be worth the time it takes to write it and read it. I feel like I owe my fellow Bunkerites that much.

  • InTheNameOfXenu

    Looks like John Allender went on the Atkins diet ’cause he’s looking slim. Unless, of course he’s on beans and rice only. Seriously, what a creep! This is the best OSA has to offer as far as intimidation. He reminds me of the old fanatical G.O. people. I wouldn’t put it past him to kill someone’s pet, burglarize, or even kill an ‘SP’ in the name of $cientology. What a piece of S**T!

    • Missionary Kid

      Don’t insult shit.

      • InTheNameOfXenu

        Oh yeah, you’re right…

    • Captain Howdy

      John Allender is definitely Tex Watson, Larry Layton (Peoples Temple assassin) material.

      • InTheNameOfXenu

        When the chips come down Allender would be the one to pull the trigger. Miscavige must really like this bull-dog. Oh shit! I just insulted bull-dogs.

        • Poison Ivy

          I can just hear him; “This one’s gonna need Allender.”

  • Ze Moo

    The only Portland area article on the new mOrg.

    http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/blog/real-estate-daily/2013/05/scientologists-finally-settle-in.html

    MSN covers the photoshop. Some nice comments. When MSN covers it, you know ….well you just know

    http://now.msn.com/scientology-photoshop-job-suspected-in-image

    • Del Ling

      Louanne is in the comments, I just got to quote, it’s priceless:

      “Those who have been there know that there were more than 2,500 people present. Fact is: the photo was not manipulated. Another fact is: those “journalists” who picked up the story should be ashamed for their complete lack of research skills. One such “source”, the Daily Mail, already pulled their article. It was false, and that was easy to see to anyone who knows how to do wide angle shots. Yes, for those slow on the uptake: it means, the photo was NOT manipulated. With a little research you could have prevented lying to the world.”

      • Sherbet

        Louanne doesn’t see the irony in her last statement: “With a little research you could have prevented lying to the world.”

      • Observer

        “One such ‘source’, the Daily Mail, already pulled their article.” She left off the end: “… after we activated our army of 200 British clambots and lawyers and ordered them to harass and threaten the Daily Mail in ways that would be illegal here in the US.”

    • Captain Howdy

      MSN: “Using photo manipulation that even Tom Cruise would likely
      critique, the Church of Scientology released a photo of a recent rally
      in Portland, Ore., that looks like it was created with the Photoshop
      skills of a graphic designer riddled with thetans.”

      Fuckin’ A MSN!

  • I see this book by Ron Sr. as catharsis It looks to be like he is trying to get himself grounded in a more sane time of his life. I do not expect him to write, or say, much or anything about Scientology; I am sure he wants to not think about all those wasted years.

    • FistOfXenu

      Interesting thought Bradley. That makes sense to me. Thanks.

    • I was thinking the same thing Bradley, about Ron Sr. just wanting to be grounded and focus on the other parts of his life. Although… I have a feeling that given enough time he may eventually write about his Co$ experience. He seems to have an interest in writing and speaking from my own experience it takes YEARS to process what has happened after leaving a cult (as so many of you know – sadly). For me it was eight years after leaving a cult before I felt ready to write about it.

      I want to keep an eye on what Ron Sr. does. He may surprise us yet!

  • “If you build it, they STILL won’t come”.

  • California

    Somewhat off-topic but Trish Bascom did her best, from Oct., 2002-April, 2004, under orders from the late SFUSD Superintendent Arlene Ackerman, to quash any investigations (journalistic and otherwise) into Narconon Drug Education in the SFUSD (and elsewhere) and then to punish people who wanted Narconon Drug Education stopped: http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/6-charged-with-stealing-SF-school-funds-4515540.php and http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-six-charged-with-diverting-sf-school-funds-20130514,0,4606750.story

    And this is how all of her nefarious doings ended: bracelets, arrested for felonies and major time if convicted…..

    AND the “Nuremberg defense” (I was just doing what I was told) did not work for any of the six SFUSD employees. Higher ups in the SFUSD food-chain who must have known about the scam during that decade (2000-2010) disavow any knowledge. I do not believe them.

    $15M and counting…….

  • MrMojitoRisen’

    About the Ideal Orgs: is it possible that DM is building up a real estate portfolio under his control, which can be sold off any time the donations and course fees dry up? If I recall, the Ideal Orgs belong to Corporate Scientology, not the local “congregations.” A billion dollars worth of buildings would sure be a nice cushion to fall back on. When DM decides to sell, he can whip up a rationalization for doing so, and anybody who complains or gets in the way becomes a SP — no problem!

  • Xique

    Mark Bunker showed enough kindness towards this woman outside the Org that I do believe that she , in the end, kind of fell for him. Sort of in the same way that Tory fell for Andreas’ kindness and sincerety. Let’s hope for her sake that she watches his film, Knowledge Report. Mark, you’ve done an excellent job at making an actual connection with her. You may be the very life line she’s waiting for, really.
    Thank you Tony, as always.

    • Poison Ivy

      Where is the video link for that?

      Just tried to watch a little COB. Just the annoying cadence of his speech gives me hives.
      Watching his face, though, he really is pleased with himself, isn’t he?
      He has absolutely no thoughts or cares about what he looks like to the outside world.
      That is not self-confidence. That is delusion.

      • i-Betty

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMPeX2blT9E – After a while she actually began to grow on me a little. It was fantastic watching Mark work his magic on her. After 10 minutes he had her genuinely laughing with him. πŸ™‚

    • DeElizabethan

      I really hope she does look up the Freedom mag that Mark told her about with the pic shooping and she didn’t believe it. Good one Mark and you were very kind which threw her off.

  • Ciru

    I have a video editing request. Can someone (with WBM’s permission) make a sped-up version of the Miscavige speech video without sound. He’s doing the three repeated hand positions thing again and it would be hilarious to see it at 10 or 20 times the original speed. You get a slight idea of it by running your mouse pointer along the time bar at the bottom of the video (he looks like a weird marionette) but a full size version would be epic.

    • VickiStubing

      I second that request!

  • Vistaril

    Heh! Google: scientology + photoshop = 662,000 results 0.15 seconds

    . . . okay, okay, some of the results don’t refer to the Portland shoop, but its always fun to have another look at the headless man EPIC fail from 2000 (thanks Arnie). Now, what was that about doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result . . .

  • aquaclara

    Mark Bunker’s videos make great watching, just adding to the continued drama of this Org opening. He was so nice to the woman who showed up outside the org, who was obviously deluded in more ways than just religion. Just wait until she finds out that the building isn’t theirs to keep. She’ll probably cry, but just maybe she’ll remember how nice Mark was. Funny how in the beginning, she pretended not to know his name when all along, of course she did. Were the two guys in white polo shirts in the background also Scions?
    Lars Larson radio interview is excellent. With all this, I can’t wait for his documentary.

    • Del Ling

      I just watched about half of it, but I thought it was really amazing how she knew so much about Mark. ‘Oh you lived i SD before, I thought you came from the west coast’.
      And she says that he’s creepy.

      • Sidney18511

        And she implied that he is gay. That must be what they tell everybody about Mark. He is so great at planting seeds of doubt!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          “He is so great at planting seeds of doubt!”

          Not that there is anything wrong with that!

  • David Sheern

    I work near the new Portland org. Now there are loads of scilon women at the nearby food carts every day at lunch. All in there matching pantsuits. They don’t seem to be from Portland cause they’re usually asking where things are. Not sure how they afford lunch on their SO salary or volunteer status.

    • Have you seen any non-scilons going in to check it out?

      • David Sheern

        No. I walked by there for the first time yesterday over lunch. Saw a couple of staffers looking at L Ron’s office and one staffer fiddling with one of the video displays. But all quiet otherwise.

        • I get the feeling that if a newbie actually went in there, a giant swarm would surround the poor fellow until he fled.

          • aquaclara

            Oh yes. But don’t you just love the visual of the staffer fiddler with the video displays? BORED, ARE WE?

        • aquaclara

          Truly LOVE the reporting. Thank you! This is gripping.

    • 1subgenius

      Keep us updated, OK?

    • Sherbet

      “loads of scilon women” — I thought all orgs were practically empty. I don’t understand.

      New motto: Scientology: Come for the auditing, stay for the fashion.

      • Poison Ivy

        LOL & spit take on that one.

    • aquaclara

      Excellent recon. It will be interesting to see how long the blue-suiters remain – a few days, a week, or a semi-permanent assignment to handle the “overflow” crowds after Saturday’s grand event. Surely if 2500 showed up, then the expectation is that all 2500 will make their way over to the building this week for whatever it is that they are doing in there, right? The town’s foodtrucks must be booming! (Actually, no snark, I would like to see the food trucks do well, but just maybe not so much from the blue-suiters).

      We need a contest for whomever spots the first fundraiser going on at the org, post-opening.
      Will there be costumes? A funny theme? A fake deadline for some commemorative event? Will it be this month, or do they get a bit of a break after all that rush to open?

      • I’m hoping some of the video protestors in LA will contact some of the 12 story management building staff who know the whole history of the movement’s ongoing statistics, and urge them to defect and debrief the outside world on the raw movement statistics.

        We need fresh statistics from some savvy Programs Chiefs from the HGB (12 story management building on Hollywood Blvd) to defect and spill the beans on the real statistics these last 20-30 years.

    • Captain Howdy

      Man, those are the fattest clams I’ve ever seen. Obviously they’re not on the sea morgue diet.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      We in RTC investigated and found that Portlandites eat hot dogs and hamburgers when they are not drinking huge amounts of coffee or shooting equally huge amounts of heroin.

      To match their Reality of Portlandites, therefore, we in RTC have sent our plumpest Sea Org members to establish area PR control at the level of the hot dogs and hamburger stands.

      Once the Church wins at the fast food stands, public opinion will change so that Portlanders clamor for Scientology and are in a frenzy of hatred against our enemies.

      Stats are already trending in this direction, for since COB RTC David Miscavige passed through the filthy streets of Portlandites in his royal motorcade, over 750,000 Portlanders have purchased a Scientology book, signed up for a beginning course, or joined the IAS.

      Now please clear the street to make way for COB!

      http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/motorcade_1125054i_zpsf655567c.jpg

    • The are Sea Org uniforms, so they likely are Missionaires sent to ensure parts of the Portland Org are being established correctly.

      Missionaires get food allowance to ‘eat out’ when on mission. One of the perks of the Sea Org is going on missions, and getting a food allowance to eat normal food during your mission.

      Mission in this definition means the mission impossible two or three person troubleshooting several week long trips to lower churches, to revitalize and move personnel around and jazz the church up.

      • aquaclara

        Great inside scoop. Portland will continue to permeate the conversation here foursome time, I think. Has there been an org opening this fascinating up til now? The exchange of comments adds so much! Thanks, as always!

  • Watched the video of the conversation between WBM and Gwen. Bunker is so patient and wise in the ways of letting the covert hostility of the scientologist pass right by him. He has superior TRs!

    I loved how Gwen tried to pump him for information and tried to get him angry. She tried to frame that she walking up to him and engaging in aggressive conversation was somehow HIM being harassing. Nice try but no cigar Gwen.

    This is really a great study of the verbal techniques that OSA staff and operatives are trained in to gather information, intimidate, control the flow of information, deflect inquiry and attempt to cave in their target.

    You could take this video and break down each exchange into what technique she is using and what the purpose of it is. It provides a blueprint of their strategy. And the nice abrupt non-segue change of the attack line when she didn’t get the desired reaction was quite revealing.

    I thought it funny that she seemed to be scraping the bottom of her bag of tricks by the end of the interview. And betrayed that she wasn’t just having a conversation at the end. The crossed arms and the fixed, dedicated glare said “I’m not moving”. It just made her look passive-aggressive in her intent to keep Mark fixed in one place and unable to do the filming he was trying to do. At least she came uptone talking to Mark. I think she finished at Antagonism.

    Congratulations to Mark for planting a series of logic bombs in her head that will haunt her until she begins to wake up. And she REALLY didn’t like him mentioning the BTs. She started looking around to see who heard that and lost her cool.

    • grundoon

      “You could take this video and break down each exchange into what technique she is using and what the purpose of it is.”

      Sounds like another great Tony Ortega interview series!

      • Davka

        I think that’s a great idea!!

    • DeElizabethan

      Excellent observation!

    • Ruby

      All so very well stated, Michael. I thought it was especially funny when she tried to accuse him of harassing her and that he was guilty of trespassing …on a public sidewalk! Too funny!!

  • African Princess

    Greetings from Africa all you amazing Bunkerites! As a regular lurker, I am in awe of your efforts (sorry for you ABC), your commitment to expose this dreadful cult, your humour. What a great bunch of people. With the news of an Advanced mOrg planned for South Africa, and news of Co$ in Zimbabwe – I figured it was time to stand up and be counted (albeit in disguise!). I am ready, when necessary, to join forces with others here and start rallying our troops! Thanks again Tony, Mark and everyone else – for all you are doing. Amandla (power) – to the Bunker!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Yipee and welcome. And what a perfectly regal and dazzling disguise you have chosen.

      • African Princess

        Thank you BTN2… and what an honour to be welcomed by you – one of my favourites!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Aw shucks. (blushes)

    • Sherbet

      Welcome, Princess. Is the cat house-trained? Never mind that; is the cat hungry?

      • African Princess

        Hi Sherbet… the cat is wild and glorious… and on the prowl – but in defense of the downtrodden, especially the victims of Co$.

        • Sherbet

          Good! cos (read: DM) could use a bite in the fanny.

          • aquaclara

            Because he cannot run fast enough!

        • Bella Legosi

          I love kitty’s. Especially the ones from your continent!
          If I had my way I would have a pride of them myself, but then I would prolly get mauled/eaten while cuddling momma kitty’s kittens, then it would make the news, and I would be an asshole for having them in the first place!
          πŸ™
          One day Bella will have a pride of lions, gators, and Honey Badgers in her imaginary underground bunker in Alaska. hmmmmm maybe I should set up a go fund me account!
          πŸ™‚
          Welcome again!

          • African Princess

            We are very proud of our beautiful wildlife… but yes, probably best to let them run wild! πŸ˜‰ Come and visit y’all! πŸ™‚

          • BuryTheNuts2

            You will also need to borrow Sarah Palin’s tanning bed for the gators.

            • Bella Legosi

              Shit get I would have Sarah Palin and her litter of gun toteing Alaskans to secure my back 400. She can skin the moose meat! But, I would have to live with a born again Creationist! They suck and Alaska is filled with them! Oh well, was a nice thought!

    • Johan

      Welcome! Also from down South, we’re you ever ‘in’?

      • African Princess

        Hi Johan… never in – but always had half an eye on cults in the past. Got hooked on Tony at VV after the TomKat story hit. Were you ever in? And are you still in SA? From Zim originally???

        • Johan

          In SA, started reading COS stuff bout a year ago after stumbling on Tom Cruise’s vid, down the rabbit hole ever since. So never in, and always wondering where the SA exes are, COS has a real low profile in SA compared to Us and UK. Am surprised there are any in Zim, there must all of 10 members!?

          • African Princess

            I’ve driven past the mOrg a couple of times – but not had any contact here with anyone else re Co$. The only connection I have is via the Bunker. No idea about Zim but am sure that it is pretty insignificant. We will have to make sure it stays that way – before it disappears altogether! πŸ™‚

    • aquaclara

      This is a lovely note! Great to hear from you!

      • African Princess

        So great to feel connected and welcomed already. Thank you.

    • Poison Ivy

      Welcome – the Bunker conquers another continent!

      • African Princess

        Hey PI… thank you. YEAH! Africa is ours!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Yeah, screw upright and vertical when you can be horizontal ….and possibly napping!

    • Bella Legosi

      Welcome!

      Here is a peice of caek! However due to not having the proper permits it’s BYOB!

      πŸ™‚

      Look forward to your participation! We are a fun bunch! And our humble pie is surpriseingly sweet too!
      *I have had a couple slices myself! πŸ™‚

      • African Princess

        Thank you Bella… yum! πŸ™‚

    • Del Ling

      From one lurker to another, good to see you!

      My cats are bit smaller, but they are convinced that they’re just like that one.

      • African Princess

        Hey there. There is a great pic somewhere of a tabby cat staring into a mirror… and seeing a magnificent lion sharing back. Love it! Good self image!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          ROAR!!!

          • African Princess

            YAY! Exactly… and I love what it says! Thanks Bury – perfect motto for the Bunker… and to the Scion visitors here – come on out… be courageous and experience wonderful FREEDOM!. πŸ™‚

      • i-Betty

        Welcome to you, Del, and also to African Princess. It’s lovely to meet you both. πŸ™‚

        • African Princess

          Hi Betty… great to meet you too.

    • ParticleMom

      Welcome to the party! I’m late, as usual.

      • African Princess

        Thanks Mom… feeling very welcomed.

  • Ze Moo

    Gwen Barnard (Portland CO$ Exec Director) is a ‘reasonably’ polite person, she’s going to get into trouble for her ‘confront’. “We’ll always have Paris”??? Mark you are hilarious….

    There are 3 addresses for Portland CO$. Most are listed as owned by ‘church of scientology’. The new mOrg is listed as owned by Church of Scientology Portland.

    I am trying to come up with a name for the decoration scheme that is the Ideal Org. How about ‘barnes and noble baroque’?

    • Observer

      Retro Marcabian?

      • Espiando

        According to L. Ron, the Marcabians were already pretty retro to begin with. Marcabians would probably think that Mad Men was a documentary.

    • Wouldn’t it be great if that one remark form Mark was what it took to shake her lose!

      “We’ll always have Paris”???
      and the memories come tumbling in of how much more wonderfully life felt the first time she had seen / heard of the line.

  • 0tessa

    It looks to me that this OT8, John Allender, has become a real robot. A crazy robot. He has got rid of his ‘body thetans’, but the most dangerous one of them remained: Miscavige. Miscavige turns people into robots. Like a true SP by the way does with people in his environment. No matter how OT you are apparently, you will be turned into a robot. So that’s the ultimate product of Scientology: robots.

    • Truthiwant

      I don’t know where this guy John Allender is coming from. There are various possibilities:

      1) He really believes in the teachings of Scientology and because of this thinks that he has the right to harass anybody that goes against these teachings.

      2) He doesn’t really believe in the teachings of Scientology or maybe he does but he is getting paid good money by Miscavige to harass people and that is fine with him.

      3) He believes in the teachings of Scientology and is so brain washed by now that he doesn’t even realize that he is harassing somebody.

      4) The guy is just a complete ass hole.

      5) The guy is a complete ass hole but is getting paid good money by Miscavige and is totally brain washed by Scientology.

      • Observer

        I vote for #5.

        • Truthiwant

          Well done!!
          For that you win a pair of John Allender Mafia style shades.

      • 0tessa

        I think nrs 1, 3, 4 and 5. Nr. 2 also, except for the first part, because he believes in the fairytales for Scientology. He definitely comes from the Scientology Implant Station.

        • ‘He definitely comes from the Scientology Implant Station”
          oh sheesh! so the aliens have landed!

      • El_Jeffe

        #5 Hits the nail right on the head!

      • grundoon

        John Allender is OT8 and therefore the direction of money flow is from him to David Miscavige, not the reverse.

        Any large sums paid out by the Miscavige regime are always to non-Scientologists and ex-Scientologists. Even most of the gifts to Tom Cruise, like renovating his private airplane hangar, are paid for by Tom (the materials, not the Sea Org slave labor).

        • Truthiwant

          If you’re right that would make point number 6.

          6) The guy is a complete ass hole and is paying money to Miscavige for this privilege and is wetting himself wondering when his boss will release OT IX.

      • stillgrace

        I read somewhere (in the last few months) that Allender (a true and genuine OT VIII asshat), had actually fallen on some financial hard times. Apparently, his wife divorced him, and he went to Oregon to live with his son for awhile. I’ll see if I can retrace my steps and find the info again.

        I haven’t found the information I was looking for yet (it was on a message board), but I did find this!!

        This was filmed at the Los Gatos org in San Jose, CA (COS is geographically challenged, especially in the Bay Area). At the end, Allender walks to the southside parking lot of the org, the actual org is behind him. It really is a nice building.

        Watch him dissolve from a bullbaiter to the epitome of asshattiness at about 4:50. What a vicious piece of work this one is.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBnel4Zs3c4

        • Captain Howdy

          He acts like he’s drunk. Maybe there’s something besides water in that bottle?

        • LisaIsRemembered

          What a hateful asswipe.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I posted this in a previous thread, but wanted to say it again here.

    I am concerned that the CoS will want to make trouble for the nice people who helped Mark Bunker. It would be a good idea, I think, if some messages of support were sent to the management of the apartment building. Here is the address:

    The WestShore
    222 Southwest Pine Street
    Portland, OR 97204

    This is actually a public assistance property, which means that the residents will not have the resources if the CoS does target them. The management, REACH is a community building organization that has spent 30 years creating and managing housing for people in often desperate straits. Here is the address for REACH:

    REACH Community Development, Inc.
    4150 SW Moody Ave.
    Portland, OR 97239

    I cannot help but contrast REACH with the CoS, who has spent the last 30 years harassing people, acquiring ever greater sums of money, and creating grand structures which serve no purpose other than as a desperate effort to prove that they are a legitimate “religion.”

    • Captain Howdy

      Well, on a positive note I do know that you can’t sue people who are on SSI. The only people who can garnish SSI payments are the IRS. I gleefully remind bill collectors of this when I actually answer the phone because I want to enturbulate them.

      • Bella Legosi

        Nice! My friend tells collectors that he died from a massive heart attack while getting the money orders!

        Good to know tho I am not on SSI or SSD. I just get FS πŸ™ I am what Rommney says is “the 47%”

        • Captain Howdy

          Bill collectors are scavengers trying to collect on a debt that some company/corporation sold them for pennies on the dollar. And the thing is these corporations write the loss off their taxes. It’s a scam all the way around.

          • Bella Legosi

            In complete agreement. Sometimes I like to say, “Hold on a minute…..” and then press random numbers for like a minute and then hang up

    • Instead of the COS helping these people out like a normal church would, probably some of the desperate staff will try to live there.

  • Aslansown

    Did anyone else notice that partway through Mark’s video, someone pulls the curtains down in the two windows behind the woman. I was wondering if that’s so that he couldn’t film in there anymore. That whole encounter was just so odd….she was pulled out of a seminar because people were scared that he was filming them (and harassing them)…. And it really was creepy that she knew where he’d lived, etc. Mark really did do an exceptional job of trying to disarm her and remained pleasant the whole way through — meanwhile my blood pressure was rising just listening to her.

    • Sherbet

      If you have your BP meds in front of you, watch Bob Minton being harrassed on the streets by scn bullbaiters in Florida. The man held his cool. Unfortunately, there was a twist in the tale of the Minton story, but the man was a champ while he was walking a picket. I don’t have a link; maybe someone can find a good one.

    • Ruby

      Yes, I did notice that too on the window shades…had posted a comment on that before I read yours. oops.
      They are totally scared of big, bad Mark and so they send out Gwen to scare him away while they pull the window shades. Good example of confront , eh?

  • Observer

    ..

    • Sherbet

      Observer, you may have outdone yourself!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        It’s the chest…It’s definitely the chest!

        • Observer

          I thought the shaved legs were a nice touch too. You just know Davey is a metrosexual. *snicker*

          • FLUNK_101

            The waxed eyebrows are nice, but how about a bowl of fruit on his head, or a shot from behind where we can see his ass-crack?
            And that throne is tacky. A nice rattan chair would be much better.(Sorry, I’m feeling very bitchy today.)

        • Sherbet

          I think the tattoo is of TC’s face.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Or LRon’s ass (I mean Dianetics).

            • Sherbet

              No, the tat looks too small.

        • Sherbet

          I haven’t seen a sunken chest like that since Pirates of the Caribbean.

    • FistOfXenu

      Observer, that’s genius. I think you’ve captured the man’s thetan.
      snark alert there, before anybody starts on how there’s no such a thing as thetans.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        There’s no such thing as thetans?
        Say WHAAAAaaa?
        Next thing you know you will say there is no such thing as engrams…..or…or….Marcabians.

        • grundoon

          I know there are Marcabians. They’ve posted here.

      • Observer

        Thanks!

        You know what the really creepy thing is? Allender’s face has exactly the same proportions as the snarling wolf’s. All I had to do was superimpose his face and do a partial opacity erase over the wolf’s eyes and fangs.

        • Truthiwant

          He also has that cold expression that a wolf has when hunting.

        • Sherbet

          I think Johnny got hold of Captain Howdy’s turkey leg.

          • Captain Howdy

            Nobody gets hold of my turkey leg…least not for free.

    • Captain Howdy

      I told you you could do better and you did.

      • grundoon

        Cap is cause over MEST today.

    • stillgrace

      That is SO funny! Genius.

    • hogarthian

      oh god….. that’s very funny!…. and just perfect.

    • And if he gets taken to court…
      ‘Peter Sellers- pink panther- “I thought you said your dog doesn’t bite!”
      “That’s not my dog!”

      • hogarthian

        Bloody hell! that is my all time FAVOURITE pink panther line!

  • Jgg2012

    “five cities that will soon host Ideal Orgs” does anyone realize that they are shutting down faster than they are opening? As to Ron Sr., this is the first time I’ve ever heard of an adult escaping his own son.

    • FistOfXenu

      That got me too Jgg. I tried imagining being scared of any of my own kids. I tried imagining my father being scared of me or my siblings. It’s too crazy to think about.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        And yet it happens. a LOT.

        • FistOfXenu

          I hear you BTN. Guess I’m just lucky. My family and other people I know we just don’t work like that. I’ve only seen it from a distance. But it’s always a tragedy. And looking at $cientarCONon we just see it time after time how they rip families to pieces not being able to trust each other and not being able to take care of each other and not being able to put each other 1st over the cult.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Catch up with you later (more Dentist!)

    I have turned into Andrea Doven….
    My life is nothing but drilling and drilling and drilling……

    • Sherbet

      Good luck!

    • Observer

      Hahaha, zing!

    • Captain Howdy

      Make sure it’s safe.

    • FistOfXenu

      It could be a big plus if they find oil. You could supply our oiliness table at wholesale prices. πŸ™‚

      • hogarthian

        Nah, not a chance. If they find anything it’ll be vodka. πŸ˜‰

        • FistOfXenu

          A vodkaliness table? How’s that as much fun as an oiliness table?

          • hogarthian

            Can it be a ‘vodkoiliness table’ then?

            • FistOfXenu

              Not sure how it’d work but we could try it. Can you get drunk through your skin?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              No! However,mucous membranes do tend to absorb ……….

              ………oh, nevermind,

            • FistOfXenu

              I think I see where this goes. I guess it’s a worth a try. πŸ˜‰

    • stillgrace

      On a related note, only because I just got back from my dentist’s office (thankfully NO drilling). I took advantage of my location to check out the “Dianetics” site I wrote about back in the December/January timeframe.

      At that time, Google Maps announced the Dianetics location at 10 Jackson Street in Los Gatos, CA. I wrote about checking out the location. They appeared to be moving into one of the upstairs units, but there were no signs up, or identifying information at all. I only saw one guy (definitely Scilon) and he darted out of sight quickly.

      Well, I am happy to report that the students of Los Gatos High School (across the street) are apparently safe from CoS. Someone else has moved into that particular unit (and even put a sign up). No sign of the cult, completely gone. Just to make sure, I called the leasing agent and talked to another tenant. When I asked her if there was a scientology presence in the building, she said “oh my, heavens no”.

      Satisfying morning.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        And 1980’s era Maxi Pad commercials popped right into my head!
        Imagine that!

      • That 7-11 parking lot, full of high school kids grabbing their Red Bull fixes on lunch break, would probably not have been a great recruiting ground for them anyway. A lot of those kids already have, shall we say, good “confront”.

    • Bella Legosi

      Before you gas someone out, you should totally do your best Dr.Giggle’s laugh! lol or hum some Little Shop of Horrors? jk

      Things I think of!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        hehehe.

    • hogarthian

      Poor Nuts!…. I’ve had a niggle in my wisdom tooth for months and just cannot psyche myself up enough to have it out. Good luck!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Get thine self fixed you silly!

  • dwayners13

    Ah, the infamous Squirrel Busting, documentary making John Allender. You may remember him from such hits as, “Paddle-Boat Pirates”, “Camera Heads vs. Marty Rathbun” & my favourite “Squirrel Stalker -Texas Ranger”. I thought after the embarrassment he caused the church in Texas, Miscavige would have banished him to the hole for the next billion years. Either John completed steps A to E, confessed his crimes against Miscavige &/or Davet-Boy is getting REALLY desperate for OSA Goons, (I mean agents). If Johnny really is OTVIII, why didn’t he just use his powers to exteriorize from his meat body & handle Mark like only an OTVIII can. I mean seriously, what’s the point of spending 500 thousand to acquire these powers if your not going to use them to confront & shatter suppressive beings like The Wise Beard Man. I actually feel a bit sorry for the poor fellow, can you imagine the pressure he was under from Miscavige to ‘handle’ Bunker. And for heaven sake, somebody give that poor guy a sandwich.

    • Ruby

      Remembering Allendar video fame…there is also my favorite, “Car Wash”.

    • I just had a thought. How is an OTVIII, exteriorized going to handle a foreign meat body, when he can’t even handle his own?

    • grundoon

      John Allender swings a big dick – as he sees it – but in reality he is totally ineffective.

      Scientology’s overt goons exist to draw your attention away from their covert goons. And to rattle you so you’ll make mistakes.

      David Miscavige will be as surprised as the rest of us if Allender actually accomplishes anything. DM’s idea of a fun time is laughing at his minions making utter humiliated fools of themselves for his pleasure. He lets Allender off the leash just to see what stupid thing he’ll do next.

  • ThetaBara

    The Gwen Barnard interview was fascinating (especially compared to 40 mins of Slappy without sound). And I kind of love her sweater.

    • That wasn’t a bad jacket at all, although I can’t imagine it in Portland heat unless there has been an extreme temp drop from the weekend.
      In ’85 the people who came up for the crusade from SO-CAL almost dropped all the way down the tone scale because of that Portland humidity, lol.

  • Snippy_X

    Why Copenhagen, Denmark?

    NARCONON EUROPE
    Norregade 26, 2
    DK-1165, Kobenhavn K, Denmark
    phone: +45 33 91 88 25
    fax: +45 33 91 88 30
    e-mail: info@narcononeu.dk

    Narconon Denmark – “newly renovated” after being shut down for violations.
    Γ…mosvej 73
    Skellingsted
    4440 MΓΈrkΓΈv, Denmark
    New email: info@narconon.dk
    New website: http://www.narconon.dk/

    Old email: info@narkobehandling.dk
    Old website: http://www.narkobehandling.dk

  • Mark Gwen is pegging you at 1.1. to antagonism, so she is really trying to act bored. You know if all the $cns. even tried to communicate as much as she did here, they wouldn’t be in the mess they are in. I am really interested to hear how this is HER building. Oh, I am sure it is HER building when the rent is due or they run out of toilet paper or light bulbs. But we know who the deed belongs to, she’s either lying or doesn’t understand how the complex and completely CORPORATE structure of the billions in reserves CO$ works.
    Speaking of that building, it looks pretty shoddy up close. Really, from the concrete to the bricks, pretty bad.

    • Ruby

      You are right about the “boredom” act, very much so an act…as sometimes she was giving the stink eye at the same time, showing her true colors.
      At about 21 minutes into the video, they put the window shades down so the camera can no longer look into the lobby. Hiding? Or maybe to cut the sunlight, but, it seems it was lightly raining.
      Good job Mark. Very interesting to see.

    • SP

      It is amazing that she talked for so long. He was so patient! Was it just me or did she seem most visibly upset when he pressed on discconeciton from families? As though the story she told herself and tried to tell him just got shot down when he said he interviewed people who lost their kids and spouses. She started wiping her glasses and they changed the subject. I wonder if she has some doubts herself and wouldn’t be so surprised to see her blow in the not too distant future. Or is that just wishful thinking on my part?

      • sister wendy

        I think she can’t leave until he does. I think she’d get into trouble leaving him out there on his own. If you watch them dance around details neither of them give on, she’s trying to get him to say specifically when he’s going to leave. And he doesn’t. If he said: “I’m leaving at 5 pm”, she could go and come back at 5 pm to see if he is still there. But he doesn’t ever specify. She makes a couple of turn arounds like she going to go, and he draws her back in. I think this is because she knows she’s not supposed to leave him out there… just from what I’ve seen in the past…imho

    • She said that she owned the building at some point didn’t she? She is one of the outer layer contributors to the org I believe. I really don’t think she will be sent anywhere. I think she really is trying to save the planet, help the people, raise the consciousness of the beings here. think about what you know, the reality you have come too believe, and then turn the thought around. I can’t believe she is in it for the money. I might believe it has become her reality.

  • Bella Legosi

    I am telling you that asshole John should have been arrested for criminal trespassing, assault, and harassment! Had I been that apartment manager I would have really stuck it to them for gaining access to a restricted access building. That type of crap doesn’t fly in the ones I have lived in and in fact John should be put on an Exclusion list for all apartments in the Portland DT area! People have gotten on those lists for less.

    The fact that they gained access to this building and were harassing the tenant and his guest (not to mention the feelings of the other residents who live there that witnessed this bizarre display) should reflect on that manager’s job. I will say she did a damn fine job in the video of standing up to this asshole.

    The parking attendant should have lost their job over this. They essentially impersonated the apartment manager, allowed complete strangers in to a residential building with restricted access. This should not have happened, and I do really hope that Mark, Scotty, and the apartment manager have made some stink over this.
    Especially if this was HUD housing Normal condo restricted buildings have their own rules, but in a HUD setting you are on federal property and have to abide by rules and standards set up by the government, because in essence you are on federal property/private property. That is why HUD gets away with yearly inspections of one’s apartment and the rules they implement. It is quasi private property when it comes to HUD.

    I don’t know if Scotty’s place is HUD (there are many dotted in downtown) but if it was, the actions of Co$ should be answered for and any harassment documented. I am willing to help should they need someone to take some heat off of them. I know a thing or two about living in those buildings, I used to caregive for a client on NW 23rd.

  • hogarthian

    Well….. I’ve just now had time to watch the ‘lengthy and weird conversation’ and I have to say, I found it very, errrrr, well, lengthy and weird I suppose.

    What a lovely woman, seriously. There ain’t too much wrong with her (well, apart from the fact that she’s living in a brainwashed state of denial). I got a strong feeling that she wanted to stay there, that she was genuinely curious, in that stilted, sci way…. but still curious. And she wasn’t rude at all, apart from the prune thing which, on the chart of insult hierarchy could be classed as but a flesh wound. I’ll say this though, she’s in a fucking shitload of trouble, bless her.

    • TheLurkingHorror

      I can’t view videos because my slow connection is SLOOOOOOOW. Maybe someone here could give a play by play, or at least a little synopsis of them for the benefit of us slowbees. Thanks to anyone who wants to take up the challenge.

      • hogarthian

        Jesus!….. It’s 37 minutes long! ok, here goes….. excuse lack of punctuation:

        Mark filming org from outside
        grey haired woman of a certain age emerges wearing a tablecloth (with aplomb, I might add)
        woman accuses mark of harassing her
        mark denies it, says he’s filming from a public highway
        she says he’s making her feel uncomfortable
        he says she approached him (which she did)
        discussion about signing lease over to church once paid for and renovated
        she claims no knowledge of this, says it’s ‘hers’
        long bit about mark being full of prunes … which is a polite way of saying full of shit, apparently
        discussion of photoshopping of portland crowds for opening… she says she ain’t seen it
        she reveals that she knows where he lives
        she knows him
        she says the word ‘generality’ (I think she means ‘generalisation’)
        she accuses him of being paid to watch them, he denies it
        she reveals that she knows his historical geographical locations
        she asks him about his work
        she takes her glasses off and cleans them
        she reveals that she’s familiar with marty’s and mike’s blogs and that she thinks that they’re boring (i’d have to agree)
        mark asks about the rpf, she says that the people she knows that have done the rpf have said that it was beneficial and that they felt ‘spiritually rehabilitated’, she hasn’t herself done it though
        she says sci’s know everything about other sci’s…. the gossip, in other words
        she says that disconnection is the decision of the individual concerned, cannot be forced
        it starts to rain

        she takes her glasses off and cleans them, again
        she says that she, personally, would encourage members to maintain communication with loved ones
        mark says he knows of people for whom that isn’t the case
        I’m bored now.
        She was flirting with him throughout. She laughed a lot, mostly forced, but there was some real laughing in there too. Mark was fabulous, he thanks her and suggests that she may have had a nice time talking to him. She doesn’t confirm this assumption, but her body language and tone of voice suggest otherwise.

        Will that do?!

        • TheLurkingHorror

          “Will that do?!”

          Wow, yes! Very well done. Thanks!

        • ParticleMom

          You are so right, she was flirting. She clearly was attracted to him and did NOT want to end the conversation.

        • ThetaBara

          Ladies and Gentlemen, that was Gwen “Prunes” Bernard, of the OSA.
          And I actually kinda loved her sweater.

    • SciWatcher

      If Birmingham opens between this October and next April, I’m there! Haha

    • ParticleMom

      I agree, she wanted to talk more and she is now in big trouble. I almost hope she is – what a contrast it would be be: The SP was friendly and fun and the OT punishes her. Perhaps it will open her mind the same way Andreas changed Tory’s.

      I’m ready to welcome her here. Good work Bunker πŸ™‚

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    Mark, you have the patience of a saint. Thanks.

  • media_lush

    I doubt I’ll ever come across John ‘Don’t Call me Psycho*’ Allender but I’ve prepared a way to deal with his style of attack.

    Here are a list of questions I’d rapid fire at him no matter what he shouted at me:

    Is it true you’ve seen David Miscavige naked?

    I understand the way he is is because… you know… (now hold up your pinky finger and wiggle it)

    Can you confirm existence of the COB and Cruise sex tape…. it’s all over the internet you know

    Have you heard the rumour that Danny Bonaduce is claiming to be the secret love-child of Hubbard and is going to stake a claim to the church

    You do realise that I have at least 3 separate hidden recording devices on my person

    Rumour has it that someone in OSA has made a copy of your PC folder and is going to blow

    [to be continued]

  • hogarthian

    If anyone wants to hear Mark Bunker again, or missed it, it’s here:

    http://kpam.com/page.php?page_id=114
    It’s split into two parts:
    Monday, May 13th 2013 3pm (38:41)
    Monday, May 13th 2013 4pm (39:04) (he reads my email at 20.27!)

    • SciWatcher

      I listened to both, and I heard your quote! Brilliant!

  • DeElizabethan

    Tony, I’ve checked Disqus and not know why I’m not getting any notifications after commenting.

    • 1subgenius

      You broke it. This is why we can’t have nice things.

      • DeElizabethan

        You found my crimes, geezh!

        • 1subgenius

          Cheers.

  • I think it takes even more courage on Ron’s part based on Dave Miscavige being his kid. I also know from being therefor 15 years that Ron had it worse because he was Dave’s dad. The Cons outweighed the Pros big time. I also will admit that I purchased the book AND the Exer-Genie. I always try and support anyone who leaves in any way I can. When you are at the Int Base, you are constantly being told that if you leave – YOU WILL FAIL. The common dialog is that you will either end up being a bum on the street or at best, flipping burgers somewhere. For most people, if they can get out of the funk that place leaves you in and decompress quick enough. they will do just fine. Pretty sure that Ron is well on his way.

    I do not think I have had the pleasure of meeting John Allender in person. I think he may have been camped outside my place in Burbank at least once or twice but he never approached me in person. After seeing him in a few videos here and there I have decided that he must be twins. No one person could be that much of an asshole.

    It is also interesting to note that these squirrel busters come and go but Bunker lives on year after year and keeps on keeping on.

    Tony – Please do a story on the woman Mark Bunker interviewed outside the Portland Ideal Org. It is full of awesome and Bunker shows how it is done. Also, she is probably getting the “we own all your bases” talk from Davey right now!

    • hogarthian

      ‘full of awesome’ is my new fave expression.

    • 1subgenius

      “he must be twins. No one person could be that much of an asshole.”

      I’m so going to use this line.

      On another note, they must be spread pretty thin if Allender is the “go-to guy” for special ops.
      He and his fat fuzzy Squirrel Buster friend.
      They got no one else? Heh.

    • Gus_Cox

      “I have decided that he must be twins. No one person could be that much of an asshole.”

      Man, I’m so glad I wasn’t drinking coffee when I read that! That is fucking funny!

      And thanks for the post.

  • stillgrace

    A quote from John Allender in an email to local scientologists, asking them to become temporary Santa Clara County employees to distribute fliers designed to dead agent Anonymous:

    “We can live in a society that has been told what to think about us or we can go tell the society what to think.”

    source:
    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?16342-What-is-John-Allender-up-to-at-Bay-Area-orgs/page4

  • DeElizabethan

    Tony, Bunker techs. Thank you, I am back on getting my notifications.

  • Mark Bunker should send that woman a gift basket of California prunes.

  • Gus_Cox

    Hey, Allender: Eat Shit and Die.

  • Rene Trujillo

    Hubbard’$ heART failed him!