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The Secret to Scientology’s “Wins” Revealed?

The ultimate auditor?

The ultimate auditor?

Welcome to our ongoing project, where we blog a 1950 first edition of Scientology’s bible, Dianetics, with the help of ex-Scientologist, Bay Area lawyer, blogger, and author Vance Woodward. Go here for the first post in the series.

[ALSO TODAY: A federal judge tells Narconon to go fish; an update on the Oklahoma drug rehab bill; more American press outrage about Scientology in Vietnam; and Irish protest against Tom Cruise!]

Vance, now we begin Book Three, “Therapy,” and switch gears.

First, there’s a brief chapter in which Hubbard assures us that what we’re about to learn is worthwhile and effective. And also, he points out, it’s something for the masses.

To emphasize that notion, Hubbard engages in some very characteristic anti-intellectual grousing. If it were up to the professional classes, he complains, nothing as complex and useful as Dianetics would go unlegislated into nonexistence.

To cement that idea, however, Hubbard provides a thumbnail description of his therapy which we found very telling…

Such laws would put all men of good will who lend a sympathetic ear to a friend’s troubles inside the barbed wire.

Do you see what he almost did there? Hubbard comes awfully close to revealing what the “wins” and “gains” of Dianetics and Scientology are really all about — a person lending a sympathetic ear to a friend’s troubles.

Of course, if he continued down that line, Hubbard might have to admit that wrapping his talking cure in science fiction hoo-ha like engrams and the reactive mind was just a way to make people more suggestible to magical results.

Instead, Hubbard thunders against the pointy-headed regulators…

Dianetics is not psychiatry. It is not psycho-analysis. It is not psychology. It is not personal relations. It is not hypnotism. It is a science of mind and needs about as much licensing and regulation as the application of the science of physics.

Well, you just know when Hubbard gets this emphatic, pretty much the opposite of what he’s saying is true. And sure enough, Scientology auditing does have elements of hypnotism and psychoanalysis, and has nothing in common with a legitimate science like physics.

Or have we simply become too cynical this far into the book, Vance?

VANCE: I first read Dianetics when I was fifteen years old, and this type of thing sounded great. Here we have a science. So, it’s reliable. And it’s relatively easy to learn. I desperately wanted it to be true. I wasn’t looking for a get-rich-quick scheme. I was looking for an escape-my-self-loathing-and-depression scheme. This Dianetics stuff sounded like just the thing I needed. Talk about desperation.

And I was thinking of this as a career. I could quickly learn to be an auditor and then make a living helping other people. Compare that to going to university for twelve years to become a psychiatrist, the only benefit of which is prestige. Hubbard’s anti-institutionalism definitely resonated in my juvenile brain. Hey, how hard can it be to help people overcome their problems and change their minds for the better? I really had no idea! But notice how Dianetics doesn’t merely prey on people’s desire for answers to their own personal problems. It preys on people’s desire to help others. For whatever reason, that seems particularly evil to me now. If only the Internet had come around ten years earlier, my life might have been quite different. Oh well, things are looking good now.

THE BUNKER: There’s another short chapter that follows, “Release or Clear,” and the thing we found most interesting in it was a lengthy definition of a clear…

A clear, for instance, has complete recall of everything which has ever happened to him or anything he has ever studied. He does mental computations, such as those of chess, for example, which a normal would do in half an hour, in ten or fifteen seconds. He does not think “vocally” but spontaneously. There are no demon circuits in his mind except those which it might amuse him to set up — and break down again — to care for various approaches to living. He is entirely self-determined. And his creative imagination is high. He can do a swift study of anything within his intellectual capacity, which is inherent, and the study would be the equivalent to him of a year or two of training when he was “normal.” His vigor, persistence and tenacity to life are very much higher than anyone has thought possible.

Well, already we’re seeing the goalposts becoming fuzzy. Earlier, Hubbard had said the clear never catches colds or other “psycho-somatic” illnesses (which is just about all of them, in Hubbard’s view). Now, a clear is someone who is “self-determined” and has an active imagination. Suddenly this is feeling a lot more like a motivational seminar and less like a course in miracles.

VANCE: Yeah, even at the best (worst) of times, I always felt shortchanged by Hubbard’s description of a clear. I was looking for a definition, as in a bright-line test that would tell us (a) who is a clear and (b) who isn’t a clear. Hubbard’s description of a clear doesn’t get us there. And so we’re left wondering what a clear really is.

Nevertheless, this is where I went with it. I figured that Hubbard’s description of clear goes far beyond my abilities. So, I knew I wasn’t clear. And yet he promises that his techniques will bring a person to the point of having these abilities (at the very least in that person’s own estimation if not objectively). I must admit that, after making a decades-long, financially ruinous attempt at achieving clear, I’m having doubts about the effectiveness of Hubbard’s techniques. Sorry if I’m dashing your hopes.

When you consider the super-abilities that Hubbard assigns to a clear, I’m completely mystified that anybody would ever allow themselves to be called a clear, much less claim it for themselves. In other words, for somebody to claim being clear, they’d either have to be delusional or a big fat liar! I’m glad I never split from reality that preposterously, not that I didn’t try my best. (Hey, if you don’t allow me this little happiness, I got nothing.)

THE BUNKER: OK, well we definitely have two weak chapters to begin the section on therapy. Let’s hope things pick up next week!

Next week — Dianetics: Your Life Was Ruined Before Birth by Your Parents and Their Dumb Culture

 
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FEDERAL JUDGE JAMES WHITTEMORE TELLS NARCONON TO GO FISH

Judge James Whittemore

Judge James Whittemore

There’s been an interesting conclusion to a Florida lawsuit that we’ve been keeping an eye on. The Tampa Bay Times wrote about it yesterday, but as in other stories by the newspaper, they’ve left out the most interesting character in this little drama: wealthy “super powered” Scientologist, Kurt Feshbach.

We’ll try our best to quickly recap the lawsuit and its rather surprising end. Kurt Feshbach is one of three brothers who made up one of the most legendary families in Scientology. Wealthy and notorious short-sellers in the 1980s, the Feshbach brothers gave millions to the church, and were rewarded with first crack at the “Super Power” rundowns being developed in the early 1990s. Skip to 2008, when Kurt started up a new Scientology-based drug rehab facility (Narconon Spring Hill) in Hernando County, Florida, on three acres of land he owned through his company Toucan Partners, LLC. Tax filings show that Feshbach left his position as president of Narconon Spring Hill, but the facility still pays him rent ($180,000 in 2010). Narconon Spring Hill is a modest operation, with room for only 22 beds and annual program revenue (in 2010) of $1.3 million. (By contrast, the flagship Narconon operation in Oklahoma generates about $10 million in annual program revenue.)

In 2009, Toucan Partners and Narconon Spring Hill sought county permission to expand. When the county refused, Toucan and Narconon sued, claiming discrimination against people with disabilities (meaning the addicts in the program). We became interested in the case when we found out that Narconon’s attorneys were trying to keep the jury from hearing about Narconon’s connections with Scientology and the deaths at the Narconon facility in Oklahoma (the first request was denied, the second granted). On January 1 of this year, a jury found that the county had indeed discriminated against Narconon Spring Hill, but not against Toucan Partners. And although the plaintiffs had been seeking millions in damages, the jury awarded Narconon Spring Hill only $74,000. County executives couldn’t hide their relief that the amount was so low.

Now, federal judge James Whittemore has finalized the case by further refusing Narconon’s request for injunctive relief — the drug rehab center had reasoned that since it had proved discrimination, the judge should award it the special permit to expand that it had originally been seeking. But Whittemore denied that request, saying that Narconon had violated local rules by not properly seeking the injunctive relief. Apparently, it was Toucan Partners that had asked for the special permit to be granted, but Toucan, the judge pointed out, had lost. And Narconon couldn’t be awarded what Toucan had lost. One attorney friend tells us it looks like a rookie mistake by Narconon’s attorneys, and Whittemore appears to be the kind of judge who doesn’t like rookie mistakes.

In fact, Whittemore is the same federal judge who is hearing the Luis Garcia fraud lawsuit against the Church of Scientology, and as we reported earlier, Whittemore has already proved to be a no-nonsense type with little patience for Scientology’s traditional court shenanigans.

The upshot seems to be that Narconon Spring Hill (which has been renamed Suncoast Rehabilitation Center) comes away with the small $74,000 award, and will now have to apply all over again to the county for permission to expand. But in the time since it last made that request, there’s been a tidal wave of bad publicity about the Narconon program and how it operates, and that news apparently seems to be getting to Florida officials. It’s an interesting situation, and we’ll keep an eye on it.

Here’s Judge Whittemore’s order…

Toucan vs Hernando Final Order

 
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Oklahoma Drug Rehab Bill Update

We talked yesterday with Oklahoma Rep. Jason Murphey about the current situation with legislation that could be troublesome for Scientology’s flagship drug rehab center in that state. On Tuesday, we reported that Senate Bill 295 had passed the House’s Public Health Committee and is headed for a full House vote (it had previously passed unanimously in the State Senate). While the bill was in the Public Health Committee, however, it picked up an amendment by Rep. Doug Cox, who is a physician. Murphey tells us that Cox had concerns about how the bill might affect faith-based rehab programs, which is why he amended the bill. (Narconon, despite its connections to the Church of Scientology, claims not to be a faith-based program.) Murphey also explained that Rep. David Derby introduced a House-based bill (HB 2215) that is a mirror to the original Senate bill. Either bill may eventually become law, but Murphey says he expects the Cox-amended Senate bill to go to a House vote in the next two weeks, and then go back to the Senate for another vote. It’s a complex process, but Murphey says he’s confident the state will have a law that will help state regulators tighten up the rules of Oklahoma’s drug rehab centers.

In the meantime, McAlester News-Capital reporter Jeanne LeFlore has pried a precious response out of Narconon Arrowhead CEO Gary Smith about the maelstrom his facility finds itself in…

Narconon Arrowhead’s CEO says he doesn’t understand why legislators are giving “so much attention” to a bill that gives the state oversight of his facility and others like it.

Narconon Arrowhead CEO Gary Smith said Wednesday his organization has no problems with Senate Bill 295.

“However we do not understand the amount of legislative attention that has been spent on (the bill) when you consider the number of critical issues facing Oklahomans that require legislative solutions,” he said in a statement.

Ah, Gary. After three deaths and the launching of local and state investigations, as well as ten lawsuits and fervent action in the state legislature, it’s a little late for the “what’s the fuss?” ploy.

 

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Once Again, Scientology in Vietnam Alarms the American Press

A tipster pointed out that the Associated Press has a story out today about Scientology’s “Purification Rundown” gaining a foothold in Vietnam. It looks to us an awful lot like a similar story that the New York Times produced last year. In both cases, the stories are harsh, with strong language about the quack science in the purif’s notions about “detoxification.” The AP’s story makes no bones about it — this is bogus nonsense that is being pushed by the Association for Better Living and Education in order to help spread Scientology in that country.

But here’s our question: If the AP and the Times are clearly outraged that Scientology is targeting a few hundred people in Vietnam, why are they both so bad at covering what the church is doing to thousands in this country?

 
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Sam Domingo, Unleashed!

Former Scientologist Samantha Domingo just pointed out on Facebook this rather amazing image of her that was captured yesterday at the premiere of Tom Cruise’s new movie Oblivion in Dublin.

Sam_Domingo

[The photo was taken by Brendan Donnelly for Demotix.com]

And Pete Griffiths performs rather brilliantly on a local radio show…

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 4, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • Snippy_X

    No wonder Gary has no problem with this Bill. It LOOSENS the requirements on rehabs! Who isn’t exempt from this Bill? That would be a shorter list.

    Exempt groups added by Senate:

    6. Faith-based, nonresidential recovery programs;

    7. Residential recovery-based programs with a resident capacity of less than twelve; or

    *Exempt groups just added by House:*

    8. Residential recovery and recovery support programs that are not collocated with certified treatment programs. !!!

    However, the Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services shall offer *voluntary* certification for those resident recovery and recovery support programs that are not collocated with certified treatment programs that desire Department certification.
    ——————
    collocated past participle, past tense of col·lo·cate Verb
    (of a word) Be habitually juxtaposed with another with a frequency greater than chance:

    ““maiden” collocates with “voyage.””.
    ——————
    WTF WTF WTF?

    • TonyOrtega

      As I pointed out in the story, Murphey says Cox wanted to keep the bill from having unintended consequences for non-Narconon groups. I think it’s pretty clear that these legislators not only want the law to target Narconon, but ONLY Narconon. You have to think Narconon’s attorneys will make a stink about that eventually.

      • Snippy_X

        Doesn’t this added line make Narconon exempt?

        8. Residential recovery and recovery support programs that are not collocated with certified treatment programs.

        • TonyOrtega

          I don’t think so, but I’ll ask Murphey. There’s still a ways to go before this thing is finished, and Murphey seems pretty outraged about what happened at Arrowhead. He’s not interested in Narconon slipping through this.

          • Snippy_X

            That’s comforting. It’s hard to tell where these legislators are coming from sometimes. I worry they are just trying to write the laws so the state cannot be held accountable if it doesn’t enforce its own laws or some other non-upfront reason. If he is genuinely outraged, maybe they will be able to fix it. Thanks, Tony.

            • Bella Legosi

              Legalise can be a treacherous and tedious mistress. It’s all context and interpretation. But, if you keep an objective mind and place yourself in the shoes of an attorney or legislator (sometimes one and the same) it can get a bit easier. However, keeping an objective mind in regards to Co$, Narconon, and any faith system is VERY HARD. Especially when you see the glaring hypocrisy and dangerous practices of those systems.

              I wouldn’t ever let Narconon get away with the negligent homicide of my child. Not for one iota of a second! When I read about Stacy last summer my heart broke for her and her father, then to read about Alexander? I was truly mad as hell. I know a bit about caregiving and pharmaceuticals and none of these guys should have died. There is no reason for it and for Narconon to attempt to say other wise will only add to the contempt and eventual destruction of this psudo-self help fraud.

            • Snippy_X

              Agreed and well put. The legalise gives me panic attacks, whereas common sense, basic ethics and basic science would have had them shut down ten years ago.

            • Bella Legosi

              lol no worries, I get the panic’s too when I dork off on statutes and amendments. It really helps to read it a couple times and to have another to discuss materials with. Sometimes when I read legalise I think I had my “mind blown 50ft out of its self”, but then I realize I read it in the wrong context.

              K SugarPlum I said it for today 🙂 Now, where is my clay? I must make models of my craziness or it just won’t “stick”

            • sugarplumfairy

              Clay is the gateway drug.. just say no..

            • Bella Legosi

              oh my I am gonna have to use that sometime in my future. It’s not recommended, but saying shit like that to any therapist would make them be like “WTF?”

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              No law will protect Narconon from lawsuits for wrongful death, credit card fraud and insurance fraud. I am just surprised the Feds haven’t jumped in. They are usually involved when insurance fraud pops up. There may be some rumblings that we just don’t know about.

        • HeatherGraceful

          I think the distinction between recovery and treatment means that NN’s program will be exempt if they keep the sauna program on a separate property. The sauna program will only be exempt if it’s faith-based, which is how the CoS got away when the health authorities in Canberra tried to ping the CoS over the Purification Rundown. They said that the purif has no health effects.

    • California

      I do not know if the Bill is phrased this way but it seems that what is wanted by some of the authors is to set up a list of exemptions to the new MH/SA laws/rules/regs mandated under Obamacare (under guidelines that were set up in 2009) and are now being implemented across the U.S. I think that the rehab programs that do not want to be in compliance with with the new MH/SA laws/rules/regs (Narconon included, I assume) are politicking to have those provisions modified….. how much modification that is allowed, I do not know.

      While I think that Murph is truly dedicated, I am worried about some of the proposed provisions are not in alignment for what he wants which is a firm handle on Narconon’s deceits about being tied with Scientology and, until the Narconons are shut down, a firm supervision policy by the state of Oklahoma, with teeth.

      Right now, the12-bed capacity, for example, would allow Narconon to be more profitable than the 6-bed capacity. But, of course, does not touch the $10M annual income for Narconon Arrowhead when it is close to operating at full capacity. According to Luke and others, it is not now, nor has been for a while, close to full capacity.

      The issues around insurance reimbursement fraud seem to be very pertinent and amenable to faster action, as do the investigations into the deaths at Narconon Arrowhead, including Murph’s daughter.

    • Bella Legosi

      I believe the aim of this bill was to at least make Narconon acknowledge the fact that they are Scientology. Cuz had they been up front about Co$ there would have been many a parent in OK who would disregard their “90% success rates!” as the lies that they are. Also, make it harder for the fraud to be perpetrated and applied to an otherwise unwitting and vulnerable population.

  • Bella Legosi

    “needs about as much licensing and regulation as the application of the science of physics.” Have to agree with the Wizard of the Mind LRon on that.

    What Vance touched on today is kinda what I was trying to touch on with Bob the other day. Dianetics is a glorified self help system and nothing more. And I think today is going to be a great day for Bunkerites in the comment section, especially with the definition of “clear”! K guys let the entheta begin. My keyboard needs it’s coffee too 🙂

    • Artoo45

      As Lawrence Wright determined toward the end of his writing Going Clear, Dianetics and Scientology are just Hubbard’s megalomaniacal attempt at fixing the shitbox that was Hubbard’s own psyche, writ large and monetized.

      • Bella Legosi

        hehehe 😀

        • Artoo45

          And if I may say so, you sir, were on fire today comment wise. I award you one internets.

          • Bella Legosi

            Yay…..gonna use this token well! 😉

  • Observer

    “Well, you just know when Hubbard gets this emphatic, pretty much the opposite of what he’s saying is true.” Yes yes yes!! (Psst … you got hit by a rogue autocorrect or something–it should be “prey” in Vance’s first paragraph.)

    At least we know there’s one ethical judge in Florida. Running scared yet, Davey? This was small potatoes, but it doesn’t bode well for your preferred legal tactics in the Luis Garcia case.

    “Narconon Arrowhead’s CEO says he doesn’t understand why legislators are giving ‘so much attention’ to a bill that gives the state oversight of his facility and others like it.” Maybe because they don’t like their citizens turning up dead at bogus rehabs? Or they don’t like being lied to? Or possibly because they have something against unwittingly facilitating insurance fraud through lack of oversight? Your days are numbered, Pornstache. If the state doesn’t get you, Little Davey will. Maybe you and Mary Rieser can compare notes in the Hole.

    • TonyOrtega

      Fixed. Thanks!

      • Observer

        There’s still a “preys” needed. 😉

        • richelieu jr

          ‘Praying’ and ‘preying’ are often confused when it comes to $cientology I find…

    • Bella Legosi

      Pornstache lol poor Gary he still doesnt get it does he? How on Teegeeack did this man ever get a license? What a f**kin stooge.

      There was an artical out of Corpis Christi TX about the Feshbach’s, Tommy Davis’ move to TX, and a little background info on the family company. Were they the inspiration for the Boiler Room?

      • TonyOrtega

        Link?

        • Bella Legosi

          Trying to find it now……came across it about 2 months ago when I googled “scientology” in the news sect.

        • Bella Legosi
          • sugarplumfairy

            “…Behar…went on to describe the brothers’ financial success and wrote: “They say …they owe it all to the teachings of Scientology…”

            Now THAT I absolutely believe.. Nothing is illegal, lie your ass off, people are there to be controlled, annihilate your enemy.. the feshbachs are true scientologists..

            • Bella Legosi

              Yeah a bunch of Gorden Gecko’s under the influence of bad science fiction!

  • richelieu jr

    It is quite amazing to hear this hokum placed on the same footing as a legitimate science like Physics… For one thing, no one is supervising how you ay study or use physics (unless you start messing around too much with heavy water, enriched uranium and radioctivity, that is..)

    • Artoo45

      Heavy water is one thing but don’t forget heavy gravity. Like the Fifth Invaders, I like a nice light gravity sun myself. Easier to park the ol’ saucer . . . wait. That sounds kind of nasty . . .

    • Observer

      You just have to smoke enough to run the radiation out, and you’ll be fine.

      http://www.qotd.org/search/single.html?qid=69938

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    The story of the Clear Definition:

    All of The Hub’s miraculous promised results of any step on his vertical bridge are just another one of his Affirmations, also referred to as his Admissions. It is a To Do list for his psychiatrist. This is a laundry list of what ailed him and what his imaginary voices (BT’s) were pressuring him to do, “There are no demon circuits in his mind …to care for various approaches to living.”

    His lists of Affirmations/Admissions were a long and ever growing list, which is another reason why the bridge ladder kept getting higher and longer (as well as the $). An example is “My mind is still brilliant” or “That my magical work is powerful and effective” and “That I do not need to have ulcers any more.”

    And that is the story of Why the definition of Clear (and OT) was forever changing and vague:
    Hubbard’s self diagnosis and self medication as a non licensed, uneducated psychiatrist didn’t help cure a single ailment, so he changed the definitions in his chase to become “normal”. Each time he failed, “normal” became a negative attribute. Dianetics and Scientology is Hubbard’s self diagnosis and self medication list. What dopes we all were. Who knew we were supposed to be auditing Him? lol

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmations_%28L._Ron_Hubbard%29

    • The reason the definition of clear changed over time is because they were unable to produce people who met the earlier definitions. This happened until the “natural clear” person of the late 1970s when it because someone with a F/N when the possibility of being clear is suggested. Since then, “clear” is merely a title bestowed as a reward for donating enough money and sufficiently going with the program.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        heh. Thank you for your astute addition. There are always multiple layers of answers in scientology, and only one question: Cash or credit? I was at least three different types of clear in total. hah. That’s because I didn’t get auditing. Wot? That’s right. Evidently I wasn’t biting, so finally I was labeled as whatever the latest version of clear was so they could bounce me up to the OT Cha ching levels. Remember, I was a sci fi fan back then. I was also on the road touring gigs then, so it was hard to catch me.

    • Midwest Mom

      Holie, you would be pleased to know that in the college town where I live, there aren’t any Dianetics or Hubbard self-help books in the bookstores. They don’t carry them, because of limited shelf space and because no one is interested in them. There’s a plethora of self-help, inspirational, and religious themed books on the market, so Hubbard’s books aren’t shelf-worthy.

      The downtown bookstore has only one copy left of Jenna’s book. It was in the “Recommended Reading” display in the front of the store. 🙂

      • BosonStark

        Good to know the Hubbard flowage has dried up in the UP, but was it ever there to begin with? That’s something about Jenna’s book though.

        • Midwest Mom

          Hubbardology never took off here. People here don’t trust men with cravats to begin with, especially those who speak gobbledy-gook and use e-meter machines. There are a lot of Finns here, and the Keeweenw is the sauna belt, so the Co$’s pronunciation of sauna as “saw-nah” doesn’t fly here. Everyone in the U.P. knows that if you don’t pronounce it “”sow-nah”, well, you just can’t be trusted.

          Also, Finnish saunas include cedar bow smacking and conclude with running outside and rolling around in the snow or jumping into the closest lake, pond, river or the granddaddy of all lakes, chilly Lake Superior, sans bathrobe. (I’m not a native Yooper, and I don’t take saunas – I’m a rebel.)

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Cool! and Jenna is on fire!

        • Ze Moo

          I am still seeing interviews and stories about her and the book everywhere. Yesterdays treat was from Ireland. Her book has been out 3 months and its still getting ‘ink’. Makes me smile….

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Lisa Pulitzer knows her stuff. Plus having the promotion and distribution power behind the pub house makes all the difference. So proud of Jenna. I’ll bet her family is too. Well, except one.

      • I went to check out Jenna’s book at the county library coop yesterday. All 20 copies were checked out and the reserve list had 35 names on it.

        • Midwest Mom

          Wow! Fantastico!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Ditto that Fantastico. Her publicist and publishing house are doing a great job.

  • Midwest Mom

    I just saw a teaser for Luke and Eric’s piece on tomorrow’s Rock Center during the Today Show! They used the word “Courage ” for their speaking out, and that is absolutely true. Yay Luke and Eric!

    • hogarthian

      I’m probably going to honour Luke and Eric by staying up all night to watch live from ENGERLAND! They should be well proud of themselves, I’ve only ever done that for the oscars. 😉

      • Shannon

        Can you watch live on the website or something? I’m not in the US…

        • hogarthian

          I don’t know yet Shannon…. but I’m prepared to virus my laptop up the yingyang trying!

          • i-Betty

            LOL! Then I shall, too 😀

        • Midwest Mom

          NBC tends to put their pieces on their website after they have been broadcast on T.V..

          • Shannon

            *Monty Burns voice* Exxxxxxcellent…..

    • Hi lady 😉 nice to “see” you again.

      • Midwest Mom

        Hiya! You caught me in my workout clothes, so I don’t look very glamorous. 🙂

    • MarionDee

      Yes, it’s a level of courage I’ve never been asked to reach, and could never reach.

      Also, can I just add that I find Tony’s headline FEDERAL JUDGE JAMES WHITTEMORE TELLS NARCONON TO GO FISH strangely hilarious.

      Of course, I’m sick, but I don’t think that’s the reason.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Let’s hope Whittemore keeps his dog indoors..

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I was thinking we should market a Scientology Fair Game Protection Kit, which naturally would occur something for the dogs. Oh wait, pets are a Bbbbbillion $ industry all on its own. Okay, one for wogs, one for dogs.

      • Bella Legosi

        I was thinking the exact same thing the other day……except I got no doggies…..just kittys and Uncle Cosmo help the poor SOB that trys to harm them cuz they are going to need it should I ever find out someone took my pet out. What a sick and twisted thing to do, even for cultie Kool Aid drinkers. Can they not be above Dahmer or Bundy? Well Ken Mox obviously can’t……..oh I would give him an engram that would last 4 billion years if I ever got a hold of him alone in a windowless room

        • Artoo45

          Uncle Cosmo. Awesome, and so much shorter than “invisible man in the sky.” Love. It.

          • Bella Legosi

            I know……I got that saying from my Catholic Momma (when she wasn’t so Catholic)!

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        That’s a great idea. Funny but useful, and it could come with a T shirt that said FAIR GAME” with the x and circle over it, and on the back a picture of a huge crowd of people and the slogan “We’ve got her (or his) back, so back off, Davey.”

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    What happened to the Feshbach’s Super Powers? Shouldn’t they just, you know, Know, that they don’t need to add no stinkin’ beds or even patients. Why not just get Gary Smith’s list of medical coding and count your druggie BT’s as patients? If the insurance company’s get nosy, just send them a copy of your BT’s PC folder as proof of the miracle cures from their sad story of addiction.

    Jeez, how come Gary is smarter than a Feshbach who is Super Powered? And what’s going to happen to a rookie mistaken lawyer hired by scientology now that he has failed? Will he be stalked, harrassed, lied to and utterly destroyed? I’ll say it again, Miscavige is going to have to follow his strategy of Only hiring real professional wogs for his dirty work because he Knows a scientologist will just screw it all up. He needs to google “professional criminals for hire”. I wonder if the mafia is having mass layoffs like the rest of the country.

    • Bella Legosi

      oh to be a fly on that courtroom wall! Now I have a reason not to hate Florida as much as I do!

      Speaking of……with the deaths in OK and GA how many more are out there? Especially in Florida. I say this because although Florida is beginning to curb the pill mill industry, that state is home to 50% of all Oxycontin written in the US. (disclaimer: I am not saying the whole pharma industry is some evil agenda lol but I have a real hate on with Purdue Pharma who since 1996 has addicted an entire generation and destroyed countless lives with their lies and fraud) With those numbers you are going to have one hell of an addicted population. It is scary to think that there are people out there physically addicted to opiates and opioids be hoodwinked into Scientology’s absolutely FALSE beliefs on physical addiction and placed into “isolation” and denied for real medical treatment. I can’t think of anything more toxic going on inside a place where you are supposed to be CARED FOR. When I read Tony’s story on Stacy last summer I told my ex, “The floodgates are beginning to open! This is going to have dire consequences for Scientology as a whole. I hope the victims family’s sue the hell out of NarCONon and get backed up by some of Narconon staff!” He didn’t think anyone inside Narconon would speak out at the time………but they did and still are!

      Go Luke and Eric! For serious, what they are doing may seem like nothing to those who do not keep up with Co$ news, but they are getting the word out and nothing could be more dangerous to Scientology then everyday people being informed when they would otherwise be ignorant of such evil.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Of course the whole pharma industry doesn’t have an evil agenda, but there are enough abuses to give the oh-so-ethical folks at the CoS the ammunition to keep duping the rubes. Sad that that the scios will point at a few abusers as PROOF that the whole system is evil, yet will skedaddle away from the highly placed abusers in the CoS with the claim that they are nothing more than an anomaly. Or apostates. Or whatever.

    • N. Graham

      Miscaviage needs to just do it all himself, since he is the only one who can get it right.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Except for legal, and accounting, he has … and look how well that’s working. His demolition derby is hilariously horrifying but happily succeeding.

  • Sherbet

    I don’t know why the Sonya Bianca failure didn’t put the lie to clear once and for all. How did lrh recover from that public faux pas? I don’t get it. There is no clear, it doesn’t work, and it never did. It couldn’t be, um, clearer than that.

    • Observer

      He was an expert con.

      • Sherbet

        Tar and feathering should have been legal back then, and we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

        • Bella Legosi

          Why waste tar? I vote ducking chair 🙂

          • Sherbet

            Good choice. Or running the conman out of town on a rail.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Hey, it almost worked on Venus!

          • N. Graham

            I think LRH should have been the first to be overboarded.

            • Midwest Mom

              …and the last.

    • Ms. B. Haven

      I think that Vance said it quite well, “this type of thing sounded great. Here we have a science. So, it’s reliable. And it’s relatively easy to learn. I desperately wanted it to be true.”

      That was pretty much how I looked at it myself when I was ‘in’, especially at first. At some point you have to put the blinders on and just keep hoping that this stuff is workable. Some of us were foolish enough to do this for years. Others figured it out and woke up much quicker.

      Here is one of my experiences early on. Some of you will remember ‘Standing Order Number One’ I believe it was called. It said, “you can always write to Ron”. When I was first in, Ron was nowhere to be found. He was off doing research (gone into hiding). Being a very naive youngster, I figured I would write to Ron just for the hell of it. I didn’t have anything important to say, so I asked him something about knowing how to speak Japanese (he had made that claim in one of his writings). I actually got a letter back and he replied that he once knew Japanese, but had since forgotten it. Big Red Flag. Here was someone who was supposed to be light years beyond the state of Clear with perfect recall, and he couldn’t remember any of a language he claimed that he once knew. I was desperate for this stuff to work, so, even though I was a bit deflated with his response, I kept soldiering on. Further, to show how naive and blind I really was, I thought that Ron had actually written the response to my letter. Christ, I might as well have still believed in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus. And one wonders why it is so difficult to get thru to someone who is ‘in’.

      • Artoo45

        Though I was never “in” (I hated Hubbard and his con) I fell for myriad purveyors of new age magical claptrap and alternative medicine in my youth. I know what it’s like to desperately want something to be true and torture reason and perception to make it appear to be so. Most of these follies were utterly harmless, but some could have been deadly. Turns out you can be very smart and a totally shit critical thinker. Patience and kindness with oneself are required in the aftermath.

      • Sherbet

        Ms. B, great story. I’m reminded of all the doomsday cults who find themselves on the exact announced date of the expected apocalypse…and it doesn’t happen. Do they disband and say, “Woops! BS alert! False prophet!” Nope, in your words, they soldier on. Desperation pushes them to believe that somehow, somewhere, sometime, it’s all going to fall into place, and THEN the world will believe.

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          How right you are. LaRouche apparently predicted a stock market crash would happen on a certain day a few years ago. The stock market went up dramatically that day instead of crashing. What did LaRouche do? He claimed Wall Street held the chart upside down so the world wouldn’t know LaRouche was right!

          • Midwest Mom

            I think that’s what happened when my typing teacher graded my papers and entered them in her gradebook, back when we used manual typewriters. She must have been holding my papers upside down and entered the wrong percentage!

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              Hmmm, MM, maybe you have something there….(BTW, it’s great to read your comments again!)

            • Midwest Mom

              Thank you! It’s great to see you, too! (I’m especially glad that I can type this on a computer keyboard instead of those old, sticky, manual typewriters!)

            • Trustmeonthis

              I was SO offended that they made me take typing in jr high or high school, whenever it was. “I’m not going to be a SECRETARY! Why should I leard to type?!” I said in my snotty teenage voice, over and over.
              Well, guess what. I used to have a fancy tech job and I still type more than I drive, or cook or do algebra (or other stuff they made me learn). LOL.

          • Sherbet

            lrh would have been amused.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        We humans are highly evolved animals. We can delude ourselves in a myriad of ways.
        But eventually, we figure things out. Unfortunately the incredible ability we have to conceptualize can be our greatest internal friend……or enemy.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Oh come on. You gotta BELIEVE. The Old Charlatan laid that failure to rest ON THE SPOT. After poor Sonya’s complete inability to perform on cue, Hubbard explained that was ALL HIS FAULT. When he called her out to the stage, he said, “Will you come out now.” And (he went on to explain), by saying “come out NOW” he had inadvertently “frozen” her in present time, rendering her incapable of demonstrating her awesome powers as a Clear.

      It’s all so simple when you understand it. Simple, simple, simple.

      • Observer

        Speaking as a wog, I’ve never been rendered helpless by anyone’s careless turn of phrase. It would seem that being Clear is something of a liability.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I’ve heard it works on a lot of rock n roll groupies. Bass players especially seem to have the knack of turning a phrase into a, well, after hours date on their helpless chicks. This is true, scientific fact.

          • Observer

            So Clear = groupie, or is it groupie = Clear? Hmmm …

          • Trustmeonthis

            You had me until you said “bass players.” LOL!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Okay, while my better half is not in the room, I’ll add drummers to the list. But they only attracted blondes. I don’t know why. Drummers are too cantankerous to ask.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            date? is that what you called it?

        • Midwest Mom

          Since there is no song on You Tube called “Wog Talk”, I thought of this song. “Girl Talk”. Written by Elvis Costello, performed by Dave Edmonds and Rockpile. Bonus: Nick Lowe!

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fpW1thGues

      • Sherbet

        Thanks, DDD. Oh, I get it now, and that’s a perfectly plausible explanation as to why the Clear was temporarily Unclear. Shades of Tinkerbell: I do believe in imaginary things! I do believe in imaginary things!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Except this time when you clap your hands, the fairy dies.

          • sugarplumfairy

            aaaarrrggghhh!!!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              It’s okay. It was Ron’s tooth fairy.

            • Explains what happened to his teeth.

            • Midwest Mom

              Rim Shot!

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Actually, I believe this is the only recorded example of LRH taking responsibility for anything. Of course, he WAS facing an auditorium full of hostile potential marks…

  • sugarplumfairy

    Yay, Sam Domingo!!!! That is truly impressive!!

    • Midwest Mom

      Major props to Sam Domingo! It’s nice to see her courage in action!

    • Midwest Mom

      Major props to Sam Domingo! It’s nice to see her courage in action!

    • Way to go, Sam!!

      Since Scientology cured Tom’s dyslexia, he has no excuse for not being able to read that T-Shirt!

      Alanzo

      • Bella Legosi

        LOL

  • California
    • Midwest Mom

      When do you ever sleep? You are amazing!

    • i-Betty

      Already done. And for anyone else wanting to know who to complain to, this link will take you directly to Cornwall County Council’s Schools Service e-contact form. You can email them from anywhere in the world as they only ask for name, email and telephone details (and those are only optional).
      https://www.cornwall.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=27705

      • California

        Thanks.

  • Mary_McConnell

    The Bunker, Vance and Dianetic Clear: Best of series! We all wish the internet existed as it now does 10 years ago, but hopefully this article and series on Dianetics will help prevent many from falling for the baloney.

    Kudos to Judge James Whittemore! Toucan Ptrs, Feshbach, Narconon Spring Hill dba Suncoast Rehabilitation Center (which has not been legally renamed Suncoast Rehabilitation Center – it’s only a registered fictitious name) got what they deserved and no more. Now let’s see them try again to get approval. We are one step ahead of them!

    It makes me sick to think that the Purif is ‘gaining a foothold in Vietnam’. Interesting how they failed to note tht this program is the sauna equivalent of the Narconon program, where people have become ill and some have died. Thank you to the tipster for alerting The Bunker to this article and situation.

    I love Jeanne LeFlore of McAlester News Capital. That PR baloney from Gary W Smith of Narconon Arrowhead is just a meager attempt to minimize the ultimate outcome of the law, which us definitely not in Narconon’s favor.

    Samantha Domingo! Great role model for critics. She gets ‘why we protest’ and puts it into action. Imagine if we had 100 other exs like Sam and Pete Griffiths and crew out on the front lines protesting on a regular basis?

  • Mary_McConnell

    The Bunker, Vance and Dianetic Clear: Best of series! We all wish the internet existed as it now does 10 years ago, but hopefully this article and series on Dianetics will help prevent many from falling for the baloney.

    Kudos to Judge James Whittemore! Toucan Ptrs, Feshbach, Narconon Spring Hill dba Suncoast Rehabilitation Center (which has not been legally renamed Suncoast Rehabilitation Center – it’s only a registered fictitious name) got what they deserved and no more. Now let’s see them try again to get approval. We are one step ahead of them!

    It makes me sick to think that the Purif is ‘gaining a foothold in Vietnam’. Interesting how they failed to note tht this program is the sauna equivalent of the Narconon program, where people have become ill and some have died. Thank you to the tipster for alerting The Bunker to this article and situation.

    I love Jeanne LeFlore of McAlester News Capital. That PR baloney from Gary W Smith of Narconon Arrowhead is just a meager attempt to minimize the ultimate outcome of the law, which us definitely not in Narconon’s favor.

    Samantha Domingo! Great role model for critics. She gets ‘why we protest’ and puts it into action. Imagine if we had 100 other exs like Sam and Pete Griffiths and crew out on the front lines protesting on a regular basis?

  • N. Graham

    If I’m not mistaken, ten years ago would have been 2003, and if I recall correctly, the Internet was in full swing by 2003. The Internet boom had come and gone, Google was king of the search engines, Scio Sitter was on many a Scion’s computer, and many of the anti-Scientologist websites were present. So actually I don’t think 10 years would have made much difference, Internet-wise. Twenty or even fifteen years ago would be a more apt time unit to refer to, when the Internet was truly in its infancy.

    Ya, what IS all the fuss about in Oklahoma? It’s not that they suddenly woke up and realized that the quack medicine, phony registered, non-supervised drug rehab was actually dangerous and that people were dying…oh wait. I guess that is what happened. Never mind.

    It is commendable that a Florida judge is finally seeing through the Scientology shenanigans.

  • Interestingly, applications of parts of Scientology are partly responsible for my becoming a non-Scientologist. If you have some sit-down time with a Scientologist, here’s an interesting thing to try:
    1) Have them word-clear the term “Scientific Method”
    2) Provide an example of how the Scientific Method is used in Scientology
    3) Provide more examples until the end phenomena is reached.
    Three possible end-phenomena:
    1) The Scientologist screams at you.
    2) The Scientologist reports themselves to ethics for PTS handling.
    3) The process of becoming a non-Scientologist begins, or moves forward if it has previously began.

  • BosonStark

    As nutty and flexible as I have been in the past at times, the “clear” attributes alone would leave me skeptical starting in the 60s, which is when I first peeked inside Dianutty in a store. I never bothered looking for it in the library. I probably thought it was too much on the fringe for the library to carry.

    My reasoning was that by the 60s, if being a Dianutty clear were anything like Hubbard claimed — by the cover it seemed to be suggesting it would unleash a volcano of human ability and powerz of the mind — then much smarter people than myself would be buzzing about it constantly. There would be college courses offered in Dianutty. In other words, I didn’t know enough about it to pick up the “us against the insane, institutionalized world” aspect of it.

    I could see how someone might dabble in the Evelyn Wood speed reading course, or something that promised gains in one small area but Dianutty seemed over-the-top in promising EVERYTHING. Scientology, in general, strikes me in that way too. Sure, they find a person’s ruin, and I understand how that kind of thing is appealing to a desperate person but don’t they look around at some point, and notice, for example, how no chess masters are using Dianutty?

    Talk about word clearing, I think learning the word “panacea” in the fourth grade or so, cleared me of falling prey to Scientology, but it certainly helped I had no one around me, for pretty much my whole life, who was extolling the wonders of Scientology.

    I think one of the most important reasons that the Internet will kill this scam is that it presents an individual with the opportunity to get a consensus on something that seems to promise something, especially when it seems to promise too much. Unfortunately, using the Internet as a source to seek reliable information is beyond most of the public. People are deceived too easily and don’t yet understand how to use the Internet to find reliable information.

    • Midwest Mom

      The fact that Scientology isn’t growing in the U.S. is significant. I have never seen the commercials which are discussed on this site (such as the Superbowl Ad), since they are only aired on local affiliate stations in limited markets, and not nationally. The number of people who don’t see these ads is far greater than the number of people who do.

      The sock puppet strategy of the Co$ to “handle” comment forums relating to online articles and blogs is wasted effort and humorous, since statistically speaking, most people who link to an article or blog site choose not to pay attention to the comment section because of time limitations or lack of interest in the opinion of others. The socks aren’t doing the Co$ any favors with their commentary and their use of goofy propaganda and nonsensical statements and attacks, since to non-Scientologists, their statements are so odd, they don’t accomplish anything except raise red flags to the Co$’s outlandish tactics.

      The Co$’s negative reputation is at the point of no return. Through the tireless efforts of many in linking the Co$ to its many so-called secular front groups, it will be difficult for the Co$ to remain under the radar.

      • Trustmeonthis

        Welcome back, Mom!

        On sites with an active commenting community, the socks are obvious to most participants, so even if people do read their stuff, they tend to mock it.

        My own strategy is to try to be nice and disagree politely, because I don’t want to be responsible for someone getting slapped or tossed into the hole. I also try to mention that freeloader debt is not legal, and/or that there are people who are willing to help them get out. Who knows, maybe some seeds of doubt are being planted by my words. I’d love that, although of course there’s no way of knowing.

        • Midwest Mom

          Thanks, Trusty!

          I have always admired how you mention that the freeloader debt is not legal and how you use use a compassionate voice. It would be nice to know how many people have been able to re-evaluate their lives in Scientology’s grip because of the kindness of people like you.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Of course there was no one around you extolling the wonders of Scientology. This is true for most of us. I have friends and acquaintances in just about every religion you can name, from Roman Catholic to Mormon to Buddhist to Science of Mind. But I have yet to ever meet anyone who identified as Scientologist. That alone has led me to believe the current stats on dismal membership numbers. They just aren’t out there.

      (Fun exercise– ask among your friends and acquaintances if any of them “know” a Scientlogist. Invariably the reply will be, “Sure. Tom Cruise.” But when it comes to an actual person in their life… nada.)

      • Observer

        I actually do know one (or more like was acquainted with one) from high school, a long time ago in a ga-LAX-y far, far away. I found out about her Scientologism during a nostalgia-driven Google session. I was sad because she was such a sweet, kind person. I hope Scn hasn’t killed that in her.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          It isn’t dead, but it may be dormant.
          That can always change.

  • i-Betty

    Please could I ask my fellow beloved Bunkerites, if they have a moment, to subscribe to Karen de la Carriere’s new Youtube channel, Surviving Scientology? The link to all the videos is here: http://www.youtube.com/user/SurvivingScientology

    Miscavige is so afraid of Karen, and it would be lovely if he could see the community of critics supporting her new venture. With love, Betty xxx

    • DeElizabethan

      Yes! Karen is becoming a heavy hitter – right in his face.

  • Tomato Thetan

    Just a quick thank you for not making us look at that horrendous Feshbach pregnancy picture again.

    • TonyOrtega

      Don’t think I wasn’t tempted.

      • Midwest Mom

        I knew it! (And stop snickering.)

        • Ze Moo

          Once seen, it cannot be unseen.

    • DodoTheLaser

      No wonder, John P. is nowhere to be found today.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        FEAR?

        • DodoTheLaser

          He’s undergoing “Model’s Rundown” to compensate.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            No wonder he is not here!

    • Bradley Greenwood

      It’s burnt into my retina.

  • Ze Moo

    Usually, the scamotology lawyers are better then the ones representing Toucan/Spring Hill. Forgetting which corporate entity you’re representing is not the work of a ‘Clear”. Judge James Whittemore just did his job and applied the law. No thanks or adulation required. Now, if Florida wants the rest of us to forget about the Florida jokes they will get a clue from Oklahoma and regulate their rehabs.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Usually I would agree with that sentiment about applying the law, but not in this case. Narconon played the discrimination card and there are cases involving racial discrimination where courts have imposed injunctions against “future” discrimination. The judge could have gone in that direction, ignoring the fact that Toucan lost, if he were at all sympathetic to (or frightened of) Narconon. After all, how many weird judicial decisions have we seen? His order clearly shows he is ticked off, he says that Narconon demonstrated only one instance of discrimination, and he said he was not about to reward a losing party. He seems to be a straight shooter who holds lawyers to a high standard and doesn’t like it when they waste his time with bad arguments.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    I was wondering if there’s a different definition of Clear for celebs and special people.

    Let’s ask Erika Christensen, featured Clear in the latest scientology celeb mag, what Clear is like:
    “You feel like yourself. That may seem like a funny thing to say, but it’s so profound. Maybe you’re not aware of the fact that you don’t feel like yourself but al of a sudde you do and you go, “Whoa! Awesome. I feel like myself! And I like myself!”

    Hey, Erika, that’s like, you know Awesome!!!!! Also, it’s perfectly clear now.

    [IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/ljzo7.jpg[/IMG]

    • Midwest Mom

      I personally think that she is being possessed by Pauly Shore. Poor thing.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        “Funny… but so profound”… and you thought of Pauly Shore? Sure you weren’t “in” just a trifle too long???

    • TonyOrtega

      Great headline.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        heh

  • pronoia

    Sort of kind of off topic but there is an odd “picket” every morning on 3rd ave in front of the post office building on at 55th street, which is also the corporate headquarters of Forest Labs, makers of lexapro and other “psych” drugs. They’ve been there a few weeks. At first they had an inflatable rat so I thought it was some kind of union thing, but as time has gone on, I am beginning to “smell” CCHR or something akin behind it. The inflated rat is gone, but there is a big plastic coffin there everyday and he same 3-4 guys are always there handing out fliers (and schmoozing with the regular passersby) and shouting slogans about how forest labs kills kids. Always there between about 8 – 10 am. Don’t know if they hang out later, as I am at work by then!

    If anyone has any insight into whether CCHR has targeted Forest Labs?

    • Would be lulzy to protest next to them with a big arrow on a sign pointing at them just saying scientologists…. Doubt they’d continue after that.

      • pronoia

        The thing is, to find out if they are scientologists. Then it would be a blast! I can’t tell from their cheap flier who they are. But it sure seems like something CCHR would do to get their stats up–the rhetoric is about right too. All they while obfuscating that they are scientologists.

        Edit: The “protest” is specifically targeting 2 drugs: Lexapro and Celexa, and the “protests” is that they are being prescribed to kids (this is where I get wary about assuming it is CCHR as there are others–including the doj–who have concerns about kids and perscription drugs).

        Just found 2 links (warning–CCHR sites) which are interesting.

        http://www.cchrint.org/2010/09/16/1000-a-pop-how-forest-labs-bribed-doctors-to-prescribe-antidepressants-to-kids/
        http://www.cchrint.org/2011/08/01/bitter-pill-for-chief-of-forest-labs/

        http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2011/March/11-civ-270.html

        • If they’re shouting about psych drugs killing kids it’s pretty much 100% them. Wish I was still living in New York the anti scion protestors there are hilarious. If you’re so inclined you might want to pop along to the scion Org and mention this to them – they’re normally on the opposite side of the street sometimes singing disgustingly funny songs, I’m sure they’d enjoy a change of venue for a day or two.

          • pronoia

            I joined NYC merriment a few times back in the early paranoid (NYPD said no to masks) days of anonymous protesting from the cage on 44th street. One time Jason Beghe joined us. Fun times!

    • TonyOrtega

      Sounds very much like what was happening a few blocks away back in 2011: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2011/07/tom_cruise_not.php

      • maybe it’s time for the Norwegian chicken approach/attack

      • pronoia

        Interesting – has a similar feel as that one. I will stop tomorrow and talk to the guys (one of them likes my anonydog who goes to work with me) and see if they have a clue who they are working for and snap a few pictures.

        • aquaclara

          “anonydog” – nice! It’s time to update my St Patty dog…we skip silly Easter Bunny and all the other holidays. Thanks for sharing the cute photo of your dog.

  • HeatherGraceful

    Sam is ferocious!

    Faith-based programs should only be exempt if they are clearly and prominently marketed as being faith-based and that is communicated to the relevant client.

    The CoS got away when the health authorities in Canberra tried to ping the purif as a health service by saying on oath that it was a religious service that had no health or therapeutic purpose.

    It would be trickier for them to make that claim for a NN program, but they are sneaky.

  • FLUNK_101

    Auditing isn’t not necessarily the soul-damaging thing soul Scientology watchers think it is. At least in the beginning it isn’t …

    A lot of the time, auditing does nothing at all – no effect. But, when it “works,’ it can make you feel quite relieved, or ecstastically happy. And then the feeling wears off.

    I think, for there to be a lasting benefit, you’d have to leave Scientology right after you’ve had your “win!” Because the longer you stay “in,” anything you thought was good about it is used to control you.

    I didn’t stay in for very long, and I didn’t spend a lot of money like some people did. I attested to “Clear,” which is total bullshit, and after that they treated me like they owned me.

    I was born with an exceptional memory, so when a person like me is “Clear,” they try to use you as an “example.” All in the name of getting your money. All in the name of Hubbard’s desire to dominate and control.

    When you first get into Scientology, any “wins” you have are used to gain your trust. It’s a new and creative twist on something very old – “the confidence game” played by con artists. And later, auditing is used to reinforced “magical beliefs.”

    Intuition is something you can’t control. It arises from your subconscious. I read Malcom Gladwell’s book, “Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking.” In it, he explains that intuition is based more on our experience and feelings than our own consciousness thought. I think once you start having “wins,’ it messes with your intuitive thought processes, as well as your expectations from Scientology.

    In some ways, it’s a brilliant con, but I suspect much of it was stumbled upon by accident. The nonsensical writings of Hubbard do not explain why so many people got into it and spent so much money on it.

    Maybe someday someone will write a book called, “The Brain of a Scientologist.”

    I’m waiting!

    • The Brain of a Scientologist…. whilst not strictly an oxymoron it’s pretty damn close. If you stick it in google images you get an interesting selection:

      • FLUNK_101

        Thanks, ML. You crack me up, and I love your avatar. Sometimes I download images I want to save, and your avatar is already in my collection … along with your image of Tom Cruise as a woman! Keep up the good work.
        Flunk

        • I put in “Same person. No difference at all” into the blog search and got 4 hits…. if you can be a bit more specific which one you think it is I’ll post the direct link…… interesting that your post got 2 downvotes after you added my link…. heh!, I reckon some OSA bots checked it out and felt compelled to downvote here, lulz

    • Trustmeonthis

      I may be splitting hairs, but you can actually become more intuitive by paying attention to and following your intuition. 🙂

      • FLUNK_101

        Hmmm … I think I can trust you on that.

      • Missionary Kid

        My intuition tells me, you’re right.

        • Midwest Mom

          I didn’t refresh my screen before I posted, so I didn’t see your comment. Great minds think alike! 🙂

          • Missionary Kid

            How do you know how I think? You must be clear. 😉
            Actually, I consider it a compliment to be put anywhere close to your greatness on this list.

            • Midwest Mom

              It’s my intuition. Just like my intuition tells me that you hum while you grocery shop.

              No greatness to be found here! If I find it, I’ll let you know! 🙂

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t hum, but I do compare prices.

            • Midwest Mom

              I never thought that I hummed until my son pointed out that I was humming along to the muzak playing in the store. (It was “True” by Spandau Ballet).

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m not the hum-along type. If the stores have muzak, I guess I blank it. They do have announcements about specials. Just as annoying.

            • Trustmeonthis

              Can’t blame you for that! It’s a great track.

      • Midwest Mom

        Trusty, my woman’s intuition tells me you’re right!

      • Yogi Berra: “You can hear a lot of things just by listening!”

        • Trustmeonthis

          My fave Yogi Berra quote is this: “It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”

        • BuryTheNuts2

          True that.

    • Midwest Mom

      Z, Have you ever heard of the book, “Explaining the Brain: Mechanisms and the Mosaic Unity of Neuroscience” by Carl F. Craver? Craver is an associate professor of Philosophy in the Philosophy-Neuroscience-Psychology Department at Washington University in St. Louis, Mo. and is currently researching deficits in agency and moral reasoning in people with amnesia..

      Coincidentally, he is also a former classmate of mine. I haven’t read his book, though.

      • FLUNK_101

        I want to know that I am eating as I type this, and it feels good to break bread with you, Midwest Mom.

        Thanks for the book recommendation. I read one review and I will look into it further.

        My favorite authors for cognitive science are Dennett, Damasio, Hofstader … and Roger Penrose!

        At this point I think I know enough about the brain to say with total certainty that I know next to nothing at all!

        I started a book by Eric Kandel, “The Age of Insight,” but I haven’t finished it yet … I need to get back to my reading.

        your friend,
        Flunk

        • Midwest Mom

          I am more interested in the neurological fields in relation to genetics and traumatic brain injury. I have narcolepsy and my son is still recuperating from repetitive TBI’s, the most recent having been right after this past Thanksgiving.

          Philosophy is essentially a set of beliefs held by a person or group, and can be debated, since it isn’t based on absolute certainty. When it comes to the treatment of the brain, I place my faith in the medical field. I have seen how my life has changed for the better because of medication, and have seen how others have been helped in the same way in the treatment of epilepsy, depression, Parkinson’s disease, and other neurological conditions.

          I have never taken drugs to escape from reality, or for fun, but I take medication to lead a normal life so I don’t fall asleep doing normal activities. It’s not fun falling asleep when you’re driving or riding a bicycle, in the shower, or grocery shopping.

          With brain injury, you have to deal with trying to retain lost abilities and memories and retraining the brain to compensate for what it has lost and also how to deal with everyday problems, frustrations and taking steps toward those goals one day at a time.

          I guess this is why Scientology confuses me so much. I don’t understand why people who are aware of modern advances in science, technology, medicine, and other fields can’t see that Hubbard was a story teller; not an expert on the human mind, science, or improving relationships.

          • FLUNK_101

            Thank you for your response.
            Yes, brain science has been a life saver for many.
            Eric Kandel was on TV the other night, talking about Obama’s Brain Initiative. It was very inspiring.
            My interest is more focused on the subject of consciousness itself. Even though it’s not completely understood, I find any new knowledge in this area to be very interesting.
            The Enlightenment philosophers that influenced the our Declaration of Independence and The Constitution were always talking about things like reason, and free will. It wasn’t until Freud did people start looking “beneath the surface” to understand human nature. Kandel’s new book, “The Age of Insight” really gets into this idea, and follows it through to present day brain science.
            Your question of how does someone get into Scientology when they are aware of modern science is an intelligent one. I have thought long and hard about that myself. You can’t really understand that from the viewpoint of “it’s all a bunch of bullshit.” It takes a more nuanced approach that involves both objective and subjective realities. And when you talk about people getting into Scientology, for the most part, that’s something that happened a long time ago, before the Internet … I don’t really want to get into it now, but like I said, that’s an excellent question.

        • Also good is “the gift of fear” by Gavin
          (Blank right now). It is about listening to your basic unconscious awareness of what is around you. Not ignoring the “warning bells” if there is danger or something not right.
          I found it helpful in my understanding of what seemed in Scientology to be ‘OT’ perception.

          • FLUNK_101

            Interesting. I’ll look into that.

    • sugarplumfairy

      “maybe someday someone will write a book called ‘The Brain of a Scientologist.'”

      c’mon.. that’s just too easy.. challenge me, love..

      • FLUNK_101

        LOL!
        I forgot that you have an honorary PHD on the subject..

  • BosonStark

    Very sharp thinking on Pete’s part in his answers to the radio host who played a little bit of devil’s advocate on the issue of celebrating Tom Cruise.

    Maybe one day Cruise will score a hot date, whom he kind of rejects at one point, and instead of slinking off, she’ll give it to him straight about his abusive Xenu cult in public before a circle of reporters. As Pete mentioned, Cruise thinks he’s using his super powers to avoid “entheta” but in reality, it is just the privilege of being in the protected bubble world of the superstar, where those you communicate with are either employed by you or want to gain something in social or career status by associating with you.

    Unfortunately, with Cruise, that includes almost everyone who is allowed to interview him. He’s going to be especially careful about making a fool out of himself, like he did with Lauer. Instead he’s going to stick to good humored fluff, to not hurt his box office. I think for Cruise, it’s going to be about not rocking the boat for the rest of his life.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    In the same recent Celebrity Centre magagzine, Travolta is still being used to shill for the “L Ron Hubbard Detox Program”. But I noticed their public officials PR is three years old. Joe Talley, Fire Captain, Ocala, FL, and Joseph “JR” Haggerty, Nev Dept Public Safety, did their programs in early 2010. I wonder how many of their physical symptoms are back now and if they are still helping to promote this quackery, or if they’ve heard about the deaths in Narconon or that delicious email from Gary Smith about how public officials are to be manipulated.

    I did notice this part of the article and thought it may be more pathetic attempts to PR the Detox/Narconon disasters: “Since 1981, health care practitioners have utilized this LRH detoxification technology…” Health care practitioners? Can we see your license, please? Or how about names? No? It’s almost like they’re hiding something. Hey John, where’s hiding on the Tone Scale again?

    [IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/f6smq.jpg[/IMG]

  • jensting

    I like judge Whittemore. I hope his pets have locking gas caps… The seemingly intentional obfuscation (who is suing whom and why? narCONon? a shadowy company owned by a financier, WHAT?!?) didn’t work for the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology this time. Let’s see what happens in the future when more judges look at this…

    And love the protest in Dublin.

  • Sherbet

    Howdy, where are you? There have been all sorts of things to celebrate here in the Bunker, plus there’s that Yankees 2-game loss to the Sox to smile about.

    • Captain Howdy

      Howdy is doing the Defenestration Rundown in order to blow charge on the morose delectation engram that is the key O/W in his Inactive Mind i.e He hit the Wall of Firewater and came out the other side with the Irish Flu.

      P.S- I hope the underground bunker is “nucular” proof cuz Kim Jong-Un is going to be gunning for Anonymous now that they hacked his shit and according to David Cammoron it’s a “fact” that N.Korea has missiles that can strike the U.K and the U.S.A …ANYWHERE!

      Hi Sherbert

      • Sherbet

        Ah. ‘frowing up, eh? Welcome back to the land of the living. I’m glad to see you again.

      • Midwest Mom

        My mom has a bomb shelter at her house that you access from an outside bulkhead stairway. It’s being used as a wine cellar, now.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Good to see preshow coverage of the Rock Center’s Narconon coverage with Luke Catton and Eric Tenario on Friday evening.

    http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/04/17600743-scientology-linked-rehab-narconon-under-fire-from-two-former-executives?lite

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Nice link. Beautiful pictures.

  • DeElizabethan

    Great news all around. Love the pic and idea of the the ultimate auditor!
    Thanks Tony.

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Even as Dianetics is the subject of criminal Joking & Degrading on this blog, we in RTC are proud to announce that http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/FAMNOIMedal_zpse94d1f02.pnghas been awarded the Nation of Islam’s highest medal — and here we speak of the Dianetics Auditor’s Star.

    Although no public pictures of Fleet Admiral David Miscavige and Minister Louis Farrakhan exist — and this for a mutually good reason — Mr. Fara khan awarded the Fleet Admiral the Dianetics Auditor’s Star today in an invitation only ceremony at Celebrity Centre International in Hollywood.

    Attendees included American Idol runner up Stacy Francis, Narconon Arrowhead CEO Gary Smith, and actor Gary Busey, a recent Book One completion.

    Please join we in the Church of Scientology in once again rising to our feet to applaud His Magnificence, Fleet Admiral David Miscavige:

    http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/FAMNOIMedal_zpse94d1f02.png

    • Observer

      COB’s looking a little rough. Perhaps if he got a more competent makeup artist?

      • Ms. B. Haven

        Looking rough? Reminds me of my ex-father-in-law’s expression, “rougher than a cob”. He was an old midwest farm boy who grew up without indoor plumbing. When the Sears catalogs ran out, corn cobs were used to take care of one’s personal business in the privy.

        • hogarthian

          LOL! Up in the north east of England we say “rough as a badger’s arse”. I am now officially rephrasing it to “Rough as a midwest farm boy’s arse”

          • i-Betty

            Hahaha!

          • Midwest Mom

            I have a good mind to get a trademark for that phrase to wipe it from existence. You should be hearing from my lawyers, Poppycock and Balderdash, tomorrow!

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          @ Observer: Fleet Admiral Miscavige’s makeup artists are very competent at troweling pancake makeup onto his face thank you. Nevertheless, and of more immediate concern, is the Fleet Admiral’s high performance hair appliance, especially in high winds.

          Because the Fleet Admiral is diminutive and wears a daring executive “high lift” pompadour, the combination can be dangerous in winds above 20mph. In such conditions, a hair piece acts like a kite or a wing. Each year dozens of short men who wear such aerodynamic hair appliances are toppled and injured in high winds.

          We live in unpredictable times and weather. For this reason, the Fleet Admiral’s staff of meteorologists has become more important than ever in protecting him from ill-fated winds.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        As Captain Howdy so descriptively phrased it, Fleet Admiral Miscavige also hit the “Wall of Firewater“.

        The Fleet Admiral emerged very knocked out but alive with the Irish flu.

        Nevertheless, and quite unlike the common inebriate, Fleet Admiral Miscavige is researching the upper level bands of Firewater.

        Accordingly, thee Fleet Admiral has made increasingly frequent incursions into the first and second Wall of Firewater, this in an effort to breakthrough to a state of Blackout wherein the Universe of Suppression in which he seems to be trapped these days as-ises for twelve or eighteen hours — and therein the Fleet Admiral finds surcease from the non-ending Psych Suppression which he alone must battle on the Cosmic level.

        • Chocolate Velvet

          OTVIII, you are being a little loose with your COB’s secrets lately.

          It makes me wonder. Are you having blow thoughts?

          You are, aren’t you? It’s ok, you can confide in the Chocolate Velvet. No one else will know. Help is available…

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Do we need to stash a motorcycle in the sage brush?

        • TendonProblem

          Otvii you are getting better and better. Lol

      • sugarplumfairy

        He looks pale, too.. tanning bed must be on the fritz..

    • Midwest Mom

      I can’t think of a better spokesperson for Scientology than Gary Busey. Congratulations, boo. 🙂

      • N. Graham

        Or Mel Gibson.

    • Is it the medal with the face palm on it?

    • pronoia

      OMG – is that a recent picture? Beginning to look mighty rough around the edges which is of course accentuated by the died, blown out hair style.

    • Ze Moo

      Does Turkey know their national symbol is reversed on his neck? They might get pissed about that!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Nice try in deflect tek, OTgrrrrr. How about the details on the Real story?

      I wasn’t buying the story Farrakhan might be turning his marks, I mean people, over to Miscavige to become sea org trained staff. Now I hear something that totally seems more plausible: Louis wants to build his Own “mecca” and not in Clearwater, FL, but home base, Chicago. Robert Robinson states in his The Examiner article (with link to the actual Fark’n speech video): “He now wants to build an Org (Scientology for church), in Chicago to rival the Mecca of Scientology in Clearwater,Florida.” The Louie vs Davey smackdown.

      Hoo boy. Imagine asking for a refund in That spaceship port! Imagine the IAS vulture regs invading Louie’s customers’ contact list. And here I thought the headline about Anonymous and North Korea was the one “shudder, then shutter” news I need to Not Think About this week. Hooboy.

      http://www.examiner.com/article/louis-farrakhan-has-sold-out-the-n-o-i

      • Midwest Mom

        Holie, Thanks for being so good natured about Karin Kung Pouw’s comment the other day on the April Fool’s Day post linking you to Courtney Love. 🙂

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Wot? I’m a voluptuous rock star? Cool. And I can drink like a fish now? Wayyyy cool. Drugs, meh. I’m so high on life, I need a ladder to get down to bed at night. Also, my knees are too crickety to catch me if I fall in a blackout. When you get my age, you can only dream of being a bad girl. So thanks!

          • Midwest Mom

            You have a new nickname: Jacuzzi Girl. Own it!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Funny….that drink was my made from scratch veggie juice with a scoop of something like Lucille Ball’s vitameatavegamin in for extra fiber. I just like to keep OSA busy keeping notes…and wondering. I guess I am a bad girl after all.

      • Was the DM’s kkk hood sticking up in the background of the video or was it juat a cone head?

      • Captain Howdy

        Good find.

  • As to outlawing conversation, lending a friendly ear to someone in need, what is left out of this is the context of hubbard’s aims for Scientology: taking over the field of mental health entirely. So under the Scientology ideal, it would indeed out law and put behind barbed wire anyone who dared to ‘lend an ear’ without them being a scientologist and a licensed ‘auditor’.

  • i-Betty

    Yay! Just watched the preview of Friday’s Rock Centre. I’ve only heard Luke speak so far, and he comes across brilliantly, but both Luke and Eric look great. Such good looking men. I am very proud of them both, and really look forward to the full programme. 🙂

    • Observer

      They *are* hotties, aren’t they? 😉

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      And Luke has a made-for-TV announcer Voice, doesn’t he? Maybe he’ll get offers!

  • i-Betty

    I just adore how much Pete Griffiths sounds like John Lennon 😀

  • EnthralledObserver

    I have fantasies about cornering Tom Cruise and asking him curly questions or hitting him with emphatic statements that force him to ‘hear’ me… that might spark some independent thought. Heh, but who am I kidding, if Katie couldn’t make him hear then nobody will be able to, surely.
    It made me feel bad for the Irish that they celebrated Tom’s ancestors and their accomplishments and therefore attribute them in some way to HIM. His own extrodinary accomplishments as an actor/entertainer have been far overshaddowed by his seedy and shady involvement with a poisonous and dangerous cult and Tom’s unusually intimate ‘friendship’ with the cult’s evil leader in my opinion, therefore I don’t think his ancestors will be that pleased with his choices.
    “Show me a mother-fucking CLEAR!” So Pete says in that interview that someone has put up $1 000 000 prize for being able to demonstrate CLEAR abilities… and no-one in (or out of – Indies) this money-hungry cult has attempted to claim it??? Heh… well that says it all right there, innit?

    • Observer

      You misunderstand–they’re just being modest. While it’s perfectly all right for a Scientologist to look down his or her nose at wogs and use/abuse them in any way he or she sees fit, it’s unforgivably bad manners to show off Clear or OT powers, even when invited to do so. Elron said so.

      • EnthralledObserver

        And, of course, that isn’t purely a matter of ‘convenience’, is it? No, of course not! I think we should raise the stakes – outlaw ‘payment’ for Scientology services unless someone can ‘prove’ results.

        • Observer

          A matter of convenience? [Scarlett O’Hara voice] Why, whatever do you mean?

          • EnthralledObserver

            Taxes are a ‘convenient’ way for the Government to raise funds for the betterment of the community, right… now there is an actual way for Scientology to ‘help’ in the community.

            • Observer

              Stop talking like a rational human being!

            • EnthralledObserver

              Haha… forgive me, it is my greatest folly.

            • Sherbet

              I’m not clear (pun intended) on the details, but it seems to me the Amazing Randi has offered $1,000,000 for a verifiable demonstration of paranormal powers. Not so sure scientology’s OT abilities come under that heading, but I don’t think the guy who found his pal’s $20 bill needs to apply.

  • I was just browsing Marty’s site and he was bragging that he was Inspector General for 17 years. and this gave him great insight to peoples minds. I didnt realize he was in government, and this is truly impressive. What? He was Inspector General of Scientology? What the hell does that mean? Was he shooting for Secretary of State of Scientology?

    • Captain Howdy

      Inspector General of $cientology is comparable to being the Toastmaster General of the United States, a position best exemplified by the late (comedian) George Jessel. The main difference is Jessel made people laugh, where as Marty made people cry, generally speaking.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07iv2TDhjvI

  • DodoTheLaser

    Off Topic: Tom Cruise in Moscow 2 days ago, telling Russkies how Apple’s IPhone was inspired by Minority Report sci-fi tech stuff. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2302435/Tom-Cruise-given-heros-reception-fans-Russian-premiere-Oblivion.html

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Tom Cruise being interviewed by Steve Jobs: “Steve, you ignorant slut, you don’t Know sci-fi tech stuff, I DO!”

      • BuryTheNuts2

        The battle of the black mock turtlenecks…

        Jobs would have ate his ass for lunch!

        • DodoTheLaser

          Both of your comments ladies, are even funnier than Tom’s statement!

          Thank you 🙂

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          JT would have liked to watch that!

      • The Dakini

        JOBS calmly takes in TOMMIE’S frantic temper tantrum.
        Slowly, JOBS walks over to the wall, where a cotton cord is tauntly afixed to the gleaming white walls.
        He has been here before, he knows this foe is no match for his intellect.
        This little person is not the first he has encountered in his life.
        Suddenly with a lightening flash and a smile, JOBS thin fingers grasp the cord….
        …with the deadly silence of a tiger, he yanks it.

        TOMMIE then realizes his mistake.
        He may be some sort of big being. But he is no god. His Super Powers have no effect here.
        Gravity is the universe’s keeper.
        The floor opens in an upshot of flames and TOMMIE, for the first time in his life; can only go down.

        • The Dakini

          I only hope my punctuation is correct Tony. My only desire is to make you proud.

    • Huff Post picked it up directly …. way to go to piss off the Apple fanboys [of which I’m a proud member] http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/04/04/tom-cruise-minority-repor_n_3013326.html

  • DodoTheLaser

    Hubbard humblebrags in 1958 on how he still hasn’t produce a single Clear:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IePFWmbHBo
    P.S. Dianetics was published in 1950, with “many Clears produced before”.

    • Captain Howdy

      What’s that red dot floating around Hubbard during the lecture? Is it one of his body thetans, or is it Christopher Walken up in the balcony with a high powered rifle trying to save the world ?

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Hope this isn’t a dupe.
    But I found it kinda funny…in a icky Hubbardian kinda way.

    http://www.columbiaspectator.com/2013/04/04/cc-first-year-receive-hubbard-award-next-week

    • DodoTheLaser

      “An earlier version of this article referenced a planned meeting
      between Chen and L. Ron Hubbard. Hubbard, being dead, will not be at the
      awards ceremony. Spectator regrets the error.”

      LOL

    • sugarplumfairy

      “NB: Are you a fan of L. Ron Hubbard?
      Sida Chen: I haven’t read any of his books. I’ve got to do that. Since I’ve been doing art, I haven’t had a lot of time to read sci-fi. I really plan to read his books. Hopefully I can read them on the airplane ride.”

      LOL.. boy, is she in for a treat..

      • BuryTheNuts2

        How many times you reckon that plane will need to circle the planet before she has had enough?

        • Captain Howdy

          Keira Knightly ?

        • Captain Howdy

          Keira Knightly ?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            No one.

            • Captain Howdy

              No, it is Knightly. I know that photo well.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Ok

          • sugarplumfairy

            Turkey bear!!

    • Snippy_X

      “They are taking us to L.A. for a workshop next week, so that we can learn. ”

      Save a soul and warn this poor girl in the comment section not to go.

      What is this idiotic newspaper?

      “Correction: This interview has been condensed and edited for clarity An
      earlier version of this article referenced a planned meeting between
      Chen and L. Ron Hubbard. Hubbard, being dead, will not be at the awards
      ceremony. Spectator regrets the error. “

  • Missionary Kid

    Tony, (off topic) I knew that I’d read in Wikipedia that A. E. van Vogt had what was, in essence, fair game practiced against him, but that reference is not in Wikipedia today. Here is the former entry. I’m not sophisticated enough to see who did the editing, but here’s the earlier version.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A._E._van_Vogt&oldid=417456087

    • TonyOrtega

      Back in February, I asked Jon Atack about rumors of Van Vogt’s harassment, but Jon said Van Vogt told him that wasn’t true. Could someone at Wikipedia be paying attention? http://tonyortega.org/2013/02/23/scientology-mythbusting-with-jon-atack-fair-game/

      • Missionary Kid

        I well understand that Jon answered it, and he’s probably correct, but that entry was changed two years ago, just after 6 Mar. 1911. My question should be, “How did that get in there in the first place, and why was it taken out?”

        Anti-$cientologists usually aren’t that sophisticated or vengeful to make up stuff like that. Supposedly, van Vogt had Alzheimer’s disease, so perhaps the version that was originated as a result of the disease.

        Van Vogt worked hard to cover the debts that LRH ran up with Dianetics, so he could have been anger or bitterness that led to such statements.

  • Chocolate Velvet

    LRH, sliced and diced and set to a beat = lulz! If you haven’t seen this, check it out:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=KpHhJKeTYxI

  • DeElizabethan

    Absolutely love the picture of Samantha Domingo with such a good strong expression.

    Your headline FEDERAL JUDGE JAMES WHITTEMORE TELLS NARCONON TO GO FISH is so cool and even if he is just doing his job he’s cool too.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Darn! I’m giving up on the comments; Disqus is not working for me and I’ve tried two different browsers. If there is anything hot going on, can someone leave a message for me at the Rodeo? I can only get a few comments at a time and can’t scroll through them. Also, everything seems to be dated 3 days ago.