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Scientology’s Version of Family Values: The Group is Everything

GroupthinkClaire Headley is taking us on our journey to train as Scientologists. In 2005, Claire and her husband Marc escaped from Scientology’s International Base after many years as “Sea Org” workers. She spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. Go here to see the first part in this series.

Claire, you’ve taken us through Scientology’s staring contests and the beginning of its snitch culture — when you were asked to turn in, at only 10 years of age, people who might be disloyal to the church. So what’s next?

CLAIRE: Next for me was the Personal Values & Integrity course, which included “overts and withholds” and The Way to Happiness.

But on a side note, I thought I would point out something. Because I grew up in Scientology, even at 10 I already knew all the terminology and basic concepts when I was taking these courses. The experience might be somewhat different for someone who had simply come in off the street.

THE BUNKER: That’s good to keep in mind.

CLAIRE: So Personal Values & Integrity course is your first introduction to O/Ws – overts and withholds, or, to the world outside, moral transgressions against the codes and values of the group of which you are a part.

This is where you’re first introduced to the idea that critical or bad thoughts come solely and only from your transgressions against the group.

In other words, the only reason you’ll ever have a bad thought about Scientology or anyone in Scientology is because you have done something wrong.

THE BUNKER: And almost as bad as committing a bad act (the “overt”) is hiding it from Scientology and not admitting to it during auditing (the “withhold”). In fact, not giving up that secret has grave consequences, isn’t that right?

CLAIRE: The Overt Motivator Sequence teaches you that any time something bad happens to you, you have “pulled it in” — you committed a crime or a transgression and therefore karma comes knocking at your door. That’s the reason the bad thing happened to you.

This is also where you first learn about justification and natter. “Natter” is when you talk bad about others, also stemming from your transgressions.

THE BUNKER: So once again, you are being conditioned to believe that the group is everything, and identifying who or what may be harming the group takes precedence over your own troubles.

Up_The_BridgeCLAIRE: As a child learning this, the most destructive part was that it was made to seem bad to think critically about things — and thinking critically is a basic part of any good education, and in my opinion a really important step towards learning to think and evaluate for yourself.

Personal Values & Integrity is also an introductory course, so we’re still at baby steps here, not yet to the point of the “KSW” [“Keep Scientology Working”] approach to training Scientologists. But we’ll get to that.

For someone new, chances are that this will be their first experience with an O/W write up — a very common tool used in Scientology.

This is where you write up your transgressions, including writing time, place, form, and event, and by doing so will bring about an “as-isness” — in other words, you will relieve yourself of the burden of your transgressions and feel better for having confessed.

Doing an O/W write up is part of the course. Other than that it’s the same as the previous course — essays, demonstrations and a few drills to practice application of the theory.

THE BUNKER: Claire, we managed to get our hands on a checksheet from this part of the training. Can you tell us about some of the material in it?

CLAIRE: There are common L. Ron Hubbard quotes used during one’s training as a Scientologist, often repeated over and over in different forms. Today, you also learn these with “patter drills” — where you say the quote out loud to a wall, over and over again until you can do that perfectly to a pass from the supervisor. This type of drill started in 1996 as part of David Miscavige’s “Golden Age of Tech.”

But back when I was doing the course the following were some of the quotes I learned and had to drill with, write examples of, and write essays about.

For instance, from the checksheet: “A Scientologist who fails to use Scientology technology and its administrative and justice procedures on the world around him will continue to be too enturbulated to do his job.”

The point is that you are indoctrinated from the outset that the only solution to any problem you run into in life is solved exclusively in Scientology.

But Scientology accepts people of all denominations, you might say? True, but that’s so they can get people of other denominations through the door. Thereafter, gradually at first, and then forcibly later on, other denominations are referred to as “other practices” and are considered as a sign that you are PTS — a Potential Trouble Source connected to someone who is a Suppressive Person. This, for example, is where Penelope Cruz hit a brick wall in her progress in Scientology, since she did not want to give up practicing Buddhism.

Here’s another example: “Walk around the org or outside and spot where several people are on the tone scale. Do this until you are confident that you can obnose where a person is on the scale. Do not ever tell a person where you think he is on the tone scale (that would be an evaluation); make the obnosis and keep the results to yourself.”

This is a common drill that is done often as you progress through Scientology. The Tone Scale is detailed in Hubbard’s book Science of Survival. Each tone level is detailed, starting at 40.0 Serenity of Beingness, all the way down to -40.0 Total Failure (Death is 0.0). This is where homosexuals are pegged by Hubbard as 1.1, Covert Hostility.

So again, right off the bat, anything other than a straight “clean” human being is already being severely dealt with in terms of progress in Scientology.

THE BUNKER: In Lawrence Wright’s Going Clear, he describes Tom Cruise being assigned to do this exercise by his auditor, Marty Rathbun, who sent the actor out with his handler, Tommy Davis, to sit in a car at a Home Depot parking lot and judge the “tone level” of customers leaving the store.

CLAIRE: That’s right. Now here’s an example of the instruction to write up your overts and withholds (and again, as a comparative note, I can tell you with positive certainty that anyone who has been in Scientology for any length of time has done hundreds of O/W write ups — I started at age 6 in the Cadet org):

“Now write up your own O/Ws with C/S OK. Start with the first dynamic and get all O/Ws off. Then the second dynamic, etc., and through the rest of the dynamics. Do them per the W/H system. These O/Ws are totally confidential to your supervisor and C/S, no one else. They will not be used against you. The point is, that this is your chance to come fully clean. After the O/Ws are complete, present them to your supervisor. Then get an exam and write a success story. The write up goes to your pc folder.”

“C/S OK” means case supervisor authorization. A case supervisor is the person who supervises your case — when you start in Scientology a pc folder (preclear folder) is made for you, and thereafter notes of anything you do auditing or in regards to your “case” such as auditing sessions are recorded in detail. The case supervisor has to give authorization for an o/w write up.

You have to write up your transgressions to a “floating needle” on exam or meter check. The idea is that if you’ve “come clean” and confessed to all your crimes and transgressions, then you will have a floating needle when you pick up the cans of the E-meter.

THE BUNKER: Wow, that’s a lot to take in, particularly for a 10-year-old. But we can see how the conditioning is getting ramped up, week after week. And how about the cost, Claire?

CLAIRE: As I recall, the course pack was $50 and the course itself was $200. We’re still at the introductory level here so prices haven’t started sky rocketing as yet.

COST THIS WEEK: $250

COST SO FAR: $600

 
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THE VOLUPTUOUS HORROR OF KAREN BLACK’S CANCER

Karen_BlackWe’re fans of Karen Black, a singular actress who is mostly celebrated for her remarkable work in 1970s classics like Five Easy Pieces (for which she was nominated for a supporting actress Oscar), The Day of the Locust, and Nashville.

She’s also a longtime Scientologist, and last year, on April 15, we saw her take part in Scientology’s science fiction awards show, Writers of the Future. What we didn’t know was that she’d been fighting cancer for a couple of years. In November 2010, she was diagnosed with ampullary cancer (a form of intestinal cancer). Since then, she’s had successful surgeries, but the disease keeps coming back. Now, her husband Stephen Eckleberry has gone public with her ordeal in a GoFundMe site seeking to raise money so Karen can go to Europe for a two-month experimental treatment.

We’re hoping the best for Karen, and it’s good to see her fans have already exceeded her funding goal.

And we’ll take this opportunity to remind you that Underground Bunker favorite Kate Bornstein is also fighting cancer, and the many people who love her have been contributing stunning amounts to her GoFundMe campaign — we hope to see her reach her funding goal very soon.

 
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BATTLEFIELD EARTH, THE COMIC BOOK

Scientology never gives up, you have to give them that. So even though the movie version of L. Ron Hubbard’s 1980 novel Battlefield Earth has gone down as one of the worst big-budget movies ever made — and a disaster for John Travolta and the church — that hasn’t stopped the church from thinking people actually want to see this book in another form.

Yesterday, websites that cover comics erupted with laughter when it was reported that three well-known artists have agreed to turn Battlefield Earth into a graphic novel.

We can still hear Travolta’s voice in our Terl action figure: “Exterminate all man-animals at will!”

 
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SMERSH Madness: Sowing the Seeds of World Domination!

As we announced on March 1, we’re joining bracket fever with a tournament like no other. It’s up to you to decide who should be named the new SMERSH, the traditional nemesis of Scientology. Cast your vote for who’s doing more to propel the church down its long slide into oblivion!

Our second regional final, to determine the champion of the Athena bracket!

HeadleysVsGerry

Marc & Claire Headley detailed their harrowing escape from Scientology’s International Base in Marc’s 2009 book, Blown for Good. They sued Scientology and lost, it’s true, but few couples have done more to expose the hardships of the church’s fanatical inner corps, the “Sea Org.” Also, they keep having kids, which is in part a way of thumbing their noses at Miscavige, who denies SO members the right to have children. (Previously: The Headleys defeated Luis Garcia in the first round and Katie Holmes in the Sweet Sixteen.)

Gerry Armstrong has paid a terrible price for a simple act: he wanted the Church of Scientology to be more honest about L. Ron Hubbard’s actual history. The former church worker was hounded by Scientology lawyers with the help of credulous courts to such a degree that he lives in Canada because he can’t set foot in the United States. All of Hubbard’s biographers, from Russell Miller to Lawrence Wright, owe a huge debt to Armstrong for finding and securing crucial original documentation of Hubbard’s life. (Previously: Armstrong defeated Jenna Miscavige Hill in the first round and the Ex-Scientologist Message Board in the Sweet Sixteen.)

 
Go to our March 1 post for the latest tournament results.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 26, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • Sidney18511
    • 0tessa

      Thanks for this link – very interesting. Religious Trauma Syndrom exists and a specific Scientology Trauma Syndrom. So, (ex)scientologists are not PTS, they are STS. A big difference.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thank you. Sounds like a good read for all Recovering Scientologists. It sounds like she has got all the right pieces to the puzzle. She understands those most likely to be traumatized are people of passion and actually hold integity high. She doesnt bash religion, she explains the destructive control methodologies and many of the common points.

      This is long overdue in this century. Abuse, crime, destruction of the human spirit should no longer be protected under religious robes or any other disguise.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0VYLFdhzZ8
      ever seen the rapture prank video?

  • Observer

    I didn’t like this one at all. 🙁 I reluctantly went with Gerry, again because the of the dox he liberated, which are still doing damage to the cult. The Headleys’ story complements his work. They’re all chock full of win.

    “These O/Ws are totally confidential to your supervisor and C/S, no one else. They will not be used against you.” Lying liars from Liartown. Of *course* they’ll be used against you. And forcing children to do this is yet more child abuse.

    I am truly sorry to hear of Karen Black’s illness, but at the same time hope that in the face of the utter failure of the “tech” and her OT “powers”, this will be a wake-up call. It’s better out here, Karen. Hoping for your full recovery.

    • FistOfXenu

      WHAT? You mean $cientarCONon tech can’t cure cancer? She’ll have to use big pharma tech and other SP stuff like real medical treatments?

      Karen, it’s time to leave DwarfenOz and come back to Kansas. I wish you well.

      • Missionary Kid

        DwarfenOz goes in my $cion expression collection.

  • John P.

    My head hurts every time I read about things like the overt/motivator sequence, which seems to be a key to the Scientology mind control trap — not only do you “pull it in” with bad stuff if you do something bad, but you will apparently actually imagine something bad happening to you if it doesn’t actually happen. Example from the cult’s web site: Bob hits Joe. Either Joe hits Bob back, in which case Bob “pulled it in” or Bob will imagine that he got hit by Joe if Joe doesn’t hit him back. This is where you start to get divorced from reality in a big hurry.

    Speaking of divorced from reality, the news of a “Battlefield Earth” graphic novel is interesting. Well, at least when this flops, it won’t garner as many headlines as it did when the movie flopped. But I can just imagine how this went: at some point, Miscavige asks his minions, “what are the cool kids up to these days?” and one of his minions says, “they seem to be reading a lot of graphic novels these days, sir.” So he figures that this will be an important new recruiting tool, since all those DVD’s and video screens in the expensive new Ideal Orgs aren’t exactly packing them in off the streets. So he goes out and hires a couple of well-regarded but financially struggling comic artists (is there any other kind?). Next step: micro-manage every detail of the process, having them re-draw every page several dozen times until they either quit in disgust or the project takes 14 years to finish. Final step: have Bridge Publications call each of the (by then) 832 remaining cult members and require them to buy 50 copies apiece. Then, if anyone is still in the cult, start planning for a graphic novel version of the Ron-o-pedia.

    • Johan

      Heh, I think making BE a comic book is fitting, it’s the only genre where a corny story like that might work, however with lil Davey micromanaging it, it’s basically guaranteed to fail – assuming he’s still aiming at anyone outside lala land….

      • stanrogers

        Moebius could have pulled it off (and made it a much better story) but he dropped the body last year to research comix tech that goes far beyond drawings on physical pages in a MEST universe.

      • SFFrog

        I don’t think a protagonist called “Johnny Goodboy Tyler” works in any medium.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          But I did realize the smersh fist belongs to Psychlo!

    • One of the consequences of the overt-motivator sequence is that Jews were responsible for their own deaths in the Holocaust.

      See Ask The Scientologist on “What’s Wrong With The Simon Wiesenthal Center Honoring Tom Cruise?”

      http://askthescientologist.blogspot.com/2011/04/whats-wrong-with-simon-wiesenthal.html

      • aquaclara

        …which is absolutely horrendous and unspeakable. Thanks, Damian, for pointing out this distinction. Lest we forget for even a moment,it is ALWAYS worse than we think. And as Claire shows, it all starts with shaping how kids are to think.

      • What about the people in the World Trade Center and the planes that crashed into them? SP convention or innocent victims of psychiatry?

        • FistOfXenu

          Both of course. Psychs made the attacks happen and the people who died there pulled it in by being such evil SPs. How do I know they were evil SPs? Because they were their in that place that handled all that money but they weren’t giving it all to $cientarCONon and they weren’t all $cientarCONonists. Some of them even used “other practices”, you know, like there were Christians and Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists and Sikhs and maybe even some doctors and psychs in those buildings. Those evil SPs get everywhere and they just pull in death and destruction where ever they go.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Let’s consult the new handy dandy Venn Diagram of Irrational Nonsense, shall we? Hmmm, there are other conspiracy theories in there, not specific to WTC, but overall, yes! It qualifies!

          http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Uo7D8b5VgnM/UU756FnR60I/AAAAAAAAEcs/1FnzP6D1VxE/s1600/VDOIN0.D.png

      • Captain Howdy

        “Ask the Scientologist” by “Just Bill” is one of the best and most undervalued spots on the internet for understanding how the “tech” works. If you want to supplement your sci knowledge with what you get
        from Tony et al., that’s the place to do it.

        And I’ve had a scilon tell me in no uncertain terms that the Jews were responsible for what happen to them during the Holocaust, when I put that question to them. This occurred right after they told me that Carmen Rainer was in fact responsible for being molested by her step-father when she was a little girl.

        • FLUNK101

          Hubbard mocks the Jews in the book “Introduction to Scientology Ethics”, p. 175:

          “I found out that only those who sought only peace were ever butchered. The thousands of years of Jewish passivity earned them nothing but slaughter”

          • Observer

            Vile, evil old blowhard. (Hubbard, not you.)

          • John P.

            Yes, apparently, Hubbard was sharing more of his “research,” casually tossing out a turd of anti-Semitism as if it were based in science and logical thought. And he probably did so not because of some deeply held racist beliefs but because claiming it was the result of “research” was an attempt to make him seem smarter to his audience. Today’s poster child for Hannah Arendt’s concept of “the banality of evil.”

            • FLUNK101

              Thank you Mr P.
              You know, I never heard of Hannah Arendt or the “banality of evil” before. I read about her in Wikipedia:

              ” … she coined the phrase “the banality of evil” … She raised the question of whether evil is radical or simply a function of thoughtlessness …”

              My mind started making connections! From the “radical” influence of Aleister Crowley, to the “thoughtlessness” of Hubbard … and then back to you, JohnP! (I couldn’t help but notice that Hannah Arendt is buried at Bard, you incorrigible Steely Dan fanatic you!)

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Hey, I thought it was called a “cognitive miser”?
              That is what I started using on my resume!

            • John P.

              Arendt buried at Bard, holy ground for Steely Dan fans? Wow! That’s a new one on me. But apparently, since she died in 1975, and they left in 1969, they didn’t overlap on campus. That’s a good thing otherwise I’d have to go through the Steely Dan lyrics looking for clues to arcane hints in the lyrics that dealt with her philosophical theories.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lrh wasn’t thoughtless.. He put plenty of thought into his evil plan to enslave scam victims in order to turn them into willing, partnering perpetrators in expanding the scam.. his science fiction may have been banal, but his evil was genius..

            • FLUNK101

              Hi SPF.
              I think I understand what you mean when you say “LRH wasn’t thoughtless … his science fiction may have been banal, but his evil was genius.”
              I used the word “thoughtlessness” (in quotations) because I was quoting Hannah Arendt, and what she said about “the banality of evil.” I was responding to JohnP’s comment that Hubbard was “Today’s poster child for Hannah Arendt’s concept of  ‘the banality of evil.'” Perhaps JohnP could explain it better than I, but I think the idea is that evil people suffer from a form of “thoughtlessness,” in the sense that they don’t think or care about others!

            • Jgg2012

              I think he also said the Nazis only killed a few thousand people.

          • Captain Howdy

            The really disgusting part of it for me is that Co$ and their minions are the first in line to go Godwin on somebody or some country.

            “The church is notorious for tenaciously attempting to silence its critics and for equating any criticism with religious bigotry. It even compares the plight of Scientologists to that of Jews in Nazi Germany.” – Tori Marlan, Death of a Scientologist, Chicago Reader August 15, 2002

            • FLUNK101

              Unbelievable!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Agreed (about Bill). I always think of Mr. Bill when I read over at his place.

        • By the same token is the Church of Scientology responsible for the FBI raids and crackdowns by other governments?

      • jojo neal

        “Ask the Sci” is one of my favorite spots. Bill is a true gentleman. His articles are full of common sense and kindness.

      • thats what got me kicked off of Martys site ..or a couple of posts after that . One of those indie twats over there actually wrote that Hitler did the Jews a favor . I lost it …total crickets from people over there on hid blog . It was gross

    • And it will be a thousand-page comic book since every bit of Hubbard’s deathless prose must be memorialized. Which will be a good paycheck for the artists, although I have to feel sorry for the acres of trees who will give their lives in such a pointless sacrifice.

    • grundoon

      The Psychlopedia (h/t Bob) is already a comic book.

  • LongNeckGoose

    I did suggest the graphic novel idea to somebody at Bridge many years ago, but I don’t think it’s going to do them much good now. Face facts, Davy boy: L. Ron Hubbard’s name is mud. Their best bet at this point would be to make “L. Ron Hubbard’s Battlefield Earth: The Musical” using the music from the Space Jazz LP. It might be the funniest production since Mel Brooks’ “Springtime For Hitler.”

    • Missionary Kid

      “Springtime for Ronnie?”

      • FistOfXenu

        And JT to do his part again but do it as a stoned hippie singing about “the flow-ahhhhs”.

        • Missionary Kid

          And DM financing it by selling 1000% of the show.

    • Exterrier

      Brilliant Idea. A musical. My medium. I would not base it upon Battlefield Earth, but instead use Richard lll, with the dancing dwarf as the warped, murderous monarch standing alone at the end, wondering how he’d pulled it in. But there have to be Psychlos in there somewhere. If it scripted like the Battlefield Earth movie, there will be room for anything we want to toss in, with no editing or continuity required. Maybe D.M. Could sing What Kind of Fool Am I as the spaceship scoops him up at the end, and he is imprisoned for eternity inside a sealed mountain. More coffee, please!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Confession can be good for budened souls.
    Sec checks are good for Miscavige’s holes.
    Children’s Writeups are good for Recruiter controls.
    O/W reports are good for for Davey’s Retirement Fund Goals.

    • Sherbet

      THDNE — Poet Laureate of the Bunker.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        😉

    • Missionary Kid

      Oh, that DM would retire – but he won’t. I think he sees himself AS $cientology.

      • Sherbet

        Retirement = euphemism for going off and sneaking into his hidey-hole.

        • FistOfXenu

          Wouldn’t it be fun to figure out a way to turn his hidey hole into The Hole? Make it exactly like The Hole so he’d recognize it for what it is with one difference. Put a mirror in it and over the mirror put the words “you pulled it in”.

          • Sherbet

            Bars on the windows! And ants! I love it!

            • FistOfXenu

              And NO oiliness table!
              And no posing with TC in leathers on motorbikes. And no scotch.
              But maybe we could spring for a pole to run around in the desert sun.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I work for a Utility company. Consider the pole a donation!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              How about a giant corkscrew. Do they have one of those curly poles?

            • FistOfXenu

              lol. I think we might have to chain DM to the pole so I’ll get a chain from a chain locker. poetic justice.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yes oiliness table – with rancid oil. He won’t be able to get the taste out of his senses. Then add the ants.

            • jojo neal

              MK, you are…..perverse….!

            • Missionary Kid

              Why, thank you.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            ^^^^loves this!

          • Missionary Kid

            😀

          • Missionary Kid

            I see the Dimunitive one as more of a Götterdämmerung type, where he’d try to go out in a blaze of glory. I don’t think he cares about the members of the Co$, because he just wants everyone else to feel his pain.

            • FistOfXenu

              I see him as goddamn wrong too.
              Sorry MK, it had to be said.

            • Missionary Kid

              NAN (No Apology Necessary). That’s a bon mot.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Isn’t that was he’s been doing for years? He sleeps behind thick cold walls with armed guards and bodyguards. He hides behind dark tinted windows in bullet proof vehicles and more beefy bodyguards when he sneaks in the back stage door for a few events per year. He can’t eat his gourmet fare without taste testers to detect a poison. He flies in his pamper jets with his steely eyed bodyguards to a rust bucket ship, flanked by loyal out ethics sniffers and commando door openers.

          He lives in his own self made prison hole in terrifying technicolor. He knows if he drops his mask for just one moment in front of his slaves, they will devour him without a flinch. He dons his Armani and tells himself it is the most important shield of armor, not from the hungry, seething zombies outside his castle, but the scary, screaming monster inside. Who’d want to retire? lol

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Thanks. This post made me feel all gushy gooey good inside.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Roasting marshmallows at the frozen stadium, are we? lol

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I sure may be! The game is at 7:00. I see alcohol in my near future!

            • FistOfXenu

              BTN, I’m trying real hard to imagine you feeling gushy gooey good about the Demented Midget. I think my head is going to break. Can I stop now?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I was only gooey about how pathetic his life really is!
              And that is about the first and last time you are going to see me gooey or gushy!
              Strike that image please! Forever!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist
            • BuryTheNuts2

              Ah shit!

            • FistOfXenu

              Thanks! You have my gratitude for the next billion yrs and I’ll sign a contract for that.

          • Missionary Kid

            His worst enemy is himself.

            • FistOfXenu

              For now but we’re working on it right?

            • Missionary Kid

              The best thing is to help him to destroy himself. It’s the one time where I’m more than willing to help him out.

            • FistOfXenu

              I’ll go with that MK.

          • Sherbet

            Oh, jeepers, now I feel so sorry for him! Nah… The upside of his life is the adulation he gets (or thinks he gets) and the power. That must make it worthwhile for him to live in his prison of perks.

            • Chocolate Velvet

              The last thing the angry dwarf wants is sympathy. He’s a big being, after all, and at cause over planetary clearing!

              Which is why I take every opportunity to loudly declare my pity for that sad, deluded pile of damaged fragments of a human being.

              Poor COB RTC David Miscavige! So incompetent! And abandoned by his own father, judged by his mother to be a dictator and a monster. No wonder he sucks so bad at his job. I sure wouldn’t want to suck like that! What a pitiful excuse for a leader…

            • Captain Howdy

              Yes indeed CV, COB has taken suckiness to a new level and a new art form.

            • Chocolate Velvet

              Yes. It’s the only thing he’s truly good at. Other than throwing tantrums, apparently.

            • grundoon

              David Miscavige is at cause over planetary cleaning, by hand with toothbrushes and no sleep. The one who cared about clearing was the last fellow, you know, Snagglepuss, oh what was his name, Don or Raon or something like that.

            • Chocolate Velvet

              You have a point. Nothing ever seems to be clean and polished and perfectly painted enough to please the little dictator. He is quick to assign a toothbrush detail as “correction”. Then, having someone lick a floor “clean” takes it to a whole other level of crazy.

              That other fellow, ol’ whatshisname, seemed to love the green more than the clean

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist
          • Captain Howdy

            You’re on a roll, Hole !

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              it was the zombies, wasn’t it? needs scary background music

            • Captain Howdy

              Take clips from zombie movies and use “We Stand Tall’ as the audio.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I’m not that techno. I’ll bet FreakE or anons in some corner have done this already?

            • Tomato Thetan

              “We Stand Tall” already looks like a zombie movie.

            • Observer

              Performed by the Camazotz Chorale, featuring Big Being #2 as IT.

            • grundoon

              The remake is never as good as the original.

            • FistOfXenu

              Just plain creepy, Captain.

            • DMSTCC
          • jojo neal

            This^^^^ Dead on, THDNE.

      • FistOfXenu

        I see him as ASS $cientology = self-auditing by sticking his head up his ass and trying for 58 percepts of his bowels. I’ve watched videos of him and tried to tell myself he’s not the Dubya of $cientarCONon but he’s not even as smart as 1 of the 3 Stooges. At least LiarRon Humptydumpty could bloviate. DM can’t even do that. Last couple of times I saw him in a video clip I kept trying to see behind him to see whose hand was inside the sock puppet.

        • Missionary Kid

          No, he wasn’t looking for the other 58 percepts, he was looking for the hand, too.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Battlefield Earth…the Comic?

    But… but, but There Is No humor allowed in scientology. I’m wondering if this is Miscavige’s swan song gesture, the jokes on you, I am the Joker kind of message. I smell Win in a twisted, Streisand meets South Park kind of collision.

    Unless DM plans on selling gold embossed, signed by the joker, I mean Pope, himself, at this week only package price of $1, 000, 000, and he’ll throw in all that bridge crap for free, and 2 slaves to turn the pages.

    • Roger Larsson

      To make light versions of original versions seems to be $cientology’s strategy. Xenu light and Battlefield Earth light can sell more in a similar way as Coca-cola light and Pepsi light. It’s to have people to laugh with $cientology than at $cientology, but will the stratagy work?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        About as well as “new coke” did!

        • Roger Larsson

          So, the stragtedy works?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Only at total failure.

            • Roger Larsson

              To make light versions of the Xenu story and Battlefield Earth = Failure

              Thanks 🙂

            • Observer

              Fail Light is still fail.

  • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

    No voting for me this time. All three of them have behaved heroically. I might vote at one minute to midnight if I can produce a tie.

    By the strangest coincidence, I have worked with Joe Pruett (Battlefield Earth comic) many times. He is a decent and honest man. I don’t know the other two. Joe has been a publisher for years, with a small but important company called Desperado Publications. He has also written an X-Men title, but not regularly. Small comic companies have not done well in today’s economy. It is nice to see that Joe has pulled a diamond (OK, a zircon) out of the mine and is part of a project.

    Also, please understand this– comics are a niche media today. Comics can be printed on demand and sold a few at a time. Comics can go to press with a run of less than a hundred. Many are printed in black and white because the publishers can’t afford colour. Also, many projects are announced and never go to press. Did Yogi Berra first say, “It ain’t til it’s over”? Comic artists have adopted it as their own. On the other hand, Batman titles and X-Men titles are printed on slick paper and can sell over a hundred thousand copies.

    Claire’s account brings back memories of my own indoctrination. Here is the scary thing– Hubbard’s ideas are not without merit. He noted that people can be too cynical, apathy is not a good trait, once you say something bad about someone there can be a tendency to falsely justify the statement.

    For some people, especially young people, these can be new ideas and it is easy to think that Hubbard had come up with one of those “breakthroughs” that Scientologists talk about all the time. In fact, one of my friends was taking a first year psychology course when we were being inculcated. Psychology had a parallel for each concept. The cult wanted her to drop the course. She wouldn’t. She was declared suppressive.

    Also, and more frighteningly, Hubbard was an absolutist and gave these factors far more weight then they would ever be given by a psychologist. So instead of creating someone who can “think for themselves” Scientology creates a zombie who thinks he is being told secrets about the meaning of life that make him superior to the wogs.

    I am literally getting angry and sick (but not low tone) just thinking about it.

    • Missionary Kid

      Propaganda mixes truth with lies so that the lies seem reasonable.

      As an outsider, I’m interested to see the terms “black” and “white” PR. To me, PR’s purpose is always to make a particular point of view look better, whatever the shade. Calling it black or white does add the underlying motivation to the term.

      The reason that courses are given in Co$ is not only to shape definitions and underlying assumptions about human behavior in its unique way, but also to start the process of isolation from the rest of society. Of course Co$ doesn’t want someone to take even a simple intro psychology course.

      No other ways of looking at things are allowed. Someone might start to question LRH, and that is not tolerated.

      • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

        At the time they had a term, I don’t remember the exact word or words, but it meant, “Mixing disciplines”. We weren’t supposed to mix disciplines and that is what taking a psych course was. My friend was thrown out but she wasn’t upset about it. The rest of us weren’t into it so deeply that we would abandon her and she knew it. Her mother was upset though, that Scientology would try to alienate her daughter from those who loved her. Her mother went down to the cult office and I do remember the exact words she used. She told the person in charge, “You can kiss my ass, you can kiss my ass while I am sitting on the John”. Imagine that scene.

        • Missionary Kid

          Your fiend’s mom sounds like a pistol.

          False concepts fade away when exposed to better concepts. Can’t have that in $cientology, because outside of the screwy internal logic, it fails.

        • Captain Howdy

          Ha, Ha..Mothers Against Dianetics = M.A.D

    • villagedianne

      A “smug zombie” who thinks he knows all the answers.
      Well said, Korgo.

  • Sherbet

    I keep meaning to ask — what’s the graphic on the “Bridge” book/DVD that Claire is holding? It looks like a child’s potty to me.

    • Sherbet

      Well, it does, Down Arrow Person. What is it?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        http://www.amazon.com/Instant-Solution-Wireless-Network-BR100/dp/B000X1TS54

        But I wasn’t the down arrow! Somebody must need more coffee.

        • Sherbet

          Ooooohhhh! Thanks, BTN. It must have been someone commenting on my ignorance. And there’s plenty of that!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Well its too early to be so rude. Why didn’t they just give you some information.
            They need to write up their overt!

            • stillgrace

              I received a down vote yesterday. I cherished the moment!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I get enough of them that the gild is off the lily! hehehe

            • stillgrace

              Hello E! So sorry I enturbulated you. LOL! Hey, when are you going to make my head explode? You promised and I’ve been waiting. Get on it!!!

      • Observer

        That might have been me. I fat-fingered the up arrow and accidentally gave you a down.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Pick up the cans!

          • Observer

            Nope! I’m suppressive … and I *like* it!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Yeah!!!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              congrats!!!!!!! you have spit out the OT 40 cognition. Your certificate will be mailed as soon as we receive your success story and all your banking and credit card details.

            • FistOfXenu

              Pick up the cans. I am not auditing you.

        • Sherbet

          Since it’s gone, this whole thread is a moot point!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Naw…It will make someones head hurt…which means we WIN!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist
      • Sherbet

        This is why my son calls me a Luddite.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          You’re good. This is odd looking and unless you knew the Sonos product line, many wouldn’t recognize. At first, I thought it was some new fangled version of a guitar bridge piece. Just love the look on Claire’s face, above all.

          Too bad we didn’t do a massive clay demo of “Personal” (Duh!) when we had to do those Personal Values courses, taken a panorama video pic of it (not that they existed then…hey, this is My dream), and whenever Ethics Dogs came snoopin’ around or barking orders, we could have just flashed the video across our tablets (pc’s didn’t even exist then) and shouted back (Tone 40 of course): “What is your MU?!!”
          South Park style daydreams.

          • Sherbet

            That’s like the old “If I could go back to high school” fantasy, where I’d be assertive and bold and finally get even with the old cranky gym teacher who taught by humiliation. (Bitter? Me? Bitter?)

    • It’s the potty thetans again!

  • AnonymousSP

    I’m in concert with Gerry Armstrong and will support him to the end. His battle has been great and ongoing for a long time. There are still exes who spread black PR against Gerry….

    • RMycroft

      If you want the most Epic amount of entheta in a single picture:

      http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h233/RogerRamdrive/2010-09-25_13-26-36_539.jpg

      • Sherbet

        I hadn’t read Nan McLean’s story before. Wow! Fair game, indeed.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Did you read about the mock funeral?

          • Sherbet

            Yes. Horrifying and spiteful!

        • RMycroft

          Yep, it doesn’t get much worse than a mock funeral procession down the main street of your small town. (Oh wait, this is Scientology, it’s always worse than you think.) See her videos on YouTube.

      • AnonymousSP

        Thank you for this pic of two beautiful ex-$cilons who are truly helping the world become a better place.

  • COB should buy the rights to this excellent comic book about Scientology’s disconnection policy.

    It’s in ‘Manga’ style and if he would employ the writers and bring them up the ‘Tone Level’ a bit they could revitalize Bridge Publications and make Japan the first ‘Clear’ country!

    The links are in the first post in this thread on ESMB:

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?21579-Comic-series-about-Scientology

    Andrew

    • Fourth post down by ‘Vir” has a link to a slide show version in a slightly smaller format.

      http://img201.imageshack.us/slideshow/webplayer.php?id=disc1en00.jpg

      Andrew

      • sugarplumfairy

        Wow!! JapanAnon has co$’ number..

    • Captain Howdy

      Thanks Andrew. The link to download the 1st edition pf “Disconnect” in English works, and it looks great — the only thing missing is the octopus sex. Sadly, the other links are dead.

      • FistOfXenu

        Don’t you mean octopus pain? 🙂

        • Captain Howdy
          • BuryTheNuts2

            Why the hell am I so curious?
            Why did I look at this?

            Why am I not as horrified as I clearly should be?

            • Captain Howdy

              “Why am I not as horrified as I clearly should be?”

              That’s ok, it gets worse. Look up “Hentai” on wikipedia. The Japanese are word beaters when it comes to peversion.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              NYTM!
              Kidding!

  • Sherbet

    What a way to raise a child – make him believe he’s bad, defective, wrong, sinful. Any church, organization, or parent that does this is, indeed, creating dysfunctional children for one selfish reason or another. In the case of cos, the reasons are partly financial.

    • Missionary Kid

      Look up original sin, and the reason for baptism. They’re founded on the basis that mankind (and women) are essentially evil.

      • Sherbet

        Mother COS sets the stage: You are sick, you are wrong; come to me, and I’ll help you fix it. Nobody should teach a child (or adult) that he’s less than human. Doesn’t matter if it’s a religious thing or a parental thing. It’s a great way to start a child on a lifelong trek through psychotherapy. In the case of the alleged church, it’s a great money-maker. Every time a person thinks he’s cleared the bad stuff, cos decides there’s more to be fixed. Space cooties upon space cooties, and dollars upon dollars. Sick.

        • Missionary Kid

          On top of that, Co$ intentionally moves the goal posts, so that there’s always something further to pay for.

          The concept of the sinful nature of man is much more subtle than what Co$ hands out. At least in Christianity, a child is born without sin.

          • Sherbet

            Yes, I agree MK, and I know your background has colored your feelings about sin, faith, religion. it’s a personal thing, and we all have to arrive at our own conclusions, IMO.

  • villagedianne

    Apologies, but I wanted to publicize a film coming out about another group. Truth be Told, a film by Gregorio Smith about Jehovah’s Witness practices. JW’s also practice a form of disconnection, discourage higher education, etc. Film premieres in Brooklyn tommorrow, at Cobble Hill Cinema. here are links:

    http://www.hereliesthetruth.com/

    https://www.facebook.com/events/121760178004716/permalink/138555649658502/

    Full disclosure, I, villagedianne, am a background actor in the film.

    • Missionary Kid

      Yup, the JWs have disfellowshipping, their form of disconnection. Again, the threat of it is used to keep people in line and to prevent JWs from entertaining another point of view.

      I dated a former JW for a while, and I was surprised that she wasn’t disfellowshipped, in spite of the fact that she left by divorcing her deacon (?) husband.

      • Captain Howdy

        I spar with an Amsterdam scilon on youtube who was in the JWs before he became a clam. I can’t even imagine that. I call him “cult baby”.

        • FistOfXenu

          “Out of the frying pan..”

        • Missionary Kid

          I eat JWs for breakfast, if I don’t have anything better to do. They don’t know anything about the bible other than what they’ve been told. The history of how it was written and translated is far beyond their comprehension.

          A start is Misquoting Jesus. The reason that they don’t like for the followers to get any higher education is that they might learn something that contradicts what they’re being fed.

          • CraftLass

            Ha! I do the same thing with them. Most people are annoyed when JW’s knock, I turn it into a fun sport. 😀 Nice to meet someone else who enjoys it! I don’t get visited anymore, wonder if I’m on some heathen list with them or something. lol

            Seems like the ultimate red flag for a controlling group is a disdain for higher education. It’s usually something they wear proudly, unlike a lot of the warning signs, which come after indoctrination has already started breaking one’s will down.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I found that if you tell them you worship Satan they tend to bugger off quite expediently!

            • CraftLass

              That’s a whole different sort of shocked face for them than my usual method of refuting their claims using Bible quotes, I suspect… lol

            • I try to convince them that THEY are worshipping Satan. See, Satan cleverly disguises himself as a counterfeit Jesus to sucker gullible people like them…

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Counterfeit Jesus would be a good name for a band!

            • Missionary Kid

              What usually happens is that the door to door salesmen, as I call the door knockers, get caught up in talking to me. After a while, the sales manager comes along to see what’s holding them up. Fairly quickly, since I can’t be “closed” or, at best, listed as a prospect, they will get the salesmen to wrap things up and split.

              At least if you leave the JWs, they don’t try to ruin your credit or screw with you. They just ignore you.

              I have a good friend whose parents converted to the JWs after they were in college. Now, years later, his mother lives on his property. He’s glad, because the JWs keep her busy in her old age, and they look after her. Since he was never in, they live him alone, and she doesn’t have to be involved in disfellowship with him.

              Co$ doesn’t look after its aged, does it?

            • CraftLass

              Ha! I’ve never had a manager come looking. I’ve even had some spend a few hours with me. Maybe they’re spread a little more thin or realize that my uber-Catholic city isn’t worth 3 people. They always seem to be in pairs that are easily sucked into long discussions on faith. I see talking with them as a public service, holding them up. 😉

              Yes, at least they do take care of their aged instead of taking all their retirement money and spitting them out, cutting them off from anyone who might actually help them. That makes JW’s WAY more worth respect than Scilons. The way a community treats elders is very telling.

            • Missionary Kid

              Maybe they spent that much time with you because you invited them in.

              I’m sure the rest of your community would be grateful if they knew of your sacrifice.

            • Captain Howdy
            • CraftLass

              LOL!!! That is hilarious, thanks!

              The most quick fun I ever had with door knockers (these weren’t JW, some smaller sect I can’t recall) was when I told them I love the Bible because I’m a big fan of fiction that has lots of details and background, like the Silmarillion. No offense to any Christians here, but my tactic did chase that pair off pretty quickly. There was actual running involved. lol

            • John P.

              My favorite door knockers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTw1lzxTAis. I can have fun with this sort of knockers all day.

            • CraftLass

              🙂 I think you’d have trouble finding anyone who would disagree with you on that one!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Grandma! Hey, can I hire her?

            • Missionary Kid

              Many years ago, I had a friend who lived on the second floor in an apartment building with an inside staircase that ended outside his door. That was at one end of the hall. To go up or down, anyone would have to pass by his door.

              On weekend mornings, the JWs, a couple of middle-aged ladies, would come to his apartment house when he was trying to sleep. They would go past his door to the other end of the hall, and start knocking on doors, and he could hear them working their way towards his, knocking on every door.

              Repeatedly, he had told them to leave him alone. Finally, one morning, he got pissed off enough and, while they were at the other end of the hall, walked out naked and said, “Can I help you ladies?”

              They went screaming past him down the stairs, and he wasn’t bothered again.

      • jojo neal

        They do disfellowship and it’s pretty ugly, but not as vicious as disconnection. They do still talk to each other (tho there’s probably a lot of emotional blackmail involved.)
        Their “translation” of the bible is a hoot – it was done by a committee, not one of whom had any Greek or Hebrew. And like the scilons, every word is taken literally literal in the most literal way, or else. Seems to be a cult trait. Tho JW’s are not quite a cult; they’re considered a “post-christian subgroup”.

        • Missionary Kid

          I think they’re borderline. My girlfriend was pretty much untouched, as far as I could see, but there could have been some things I wasn’t aware of, since I was going through my own problems at the time.

          They really do think it’s all exactly the way Jesus intended the word to be.

    • noseinabk

      JW’s not only practice disconnection but some take a portion of your pay. A man I know was told to divorce his wife of 20 years because she had no respect for the church, smoked , cursed, drank and disagreed with the portion of his paycheck he was “encouraged” to give.

  • aquaclara

    I’m going with the “happiness is the best revenge” vote. This vote’s for the happiness the Headleys share today, and for escaping the hell that came before. Claire showed us the side of the cult that utterly devalues the existence of children, families and love, speaking about evils within that are not as apparent from outside of the cult walls. And then flipped it all around, and showed everyone the real world on the outside–beautiful children and a loving family.
    For Marc, well, I just finished reading Blown for Good. An incredibly gripping account. At what must have been a huge personal cost, Marc spoke up and wrote in a way that let many readers experience just a bit of that life, and for showing that escape is possible. Marc, you’re a gifted writer. I hope you have another book in you.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Movie!

      • aquaclara

        Wouldn’t it make a terrific movie…a seven-Kleenexer, for sure. And since we know a few actors/actresses we would NOT cast….

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Too lazy to find it now but I believe Marc talked about the possibility. It would SO make a terrific movie.

  • Ohh, the Overt Motivator Sequence. That’s when I was bullied in elementary school, and my mom asked me what overts I committed on the bullies.
    We love you Marc & Clare, but Jerry’s work was the foundation of the big three books of the 80s (Messiah or Madman, Bare-Faced Messiah, and Piece of Blue Sky), as well numerious court cases, magazine articles and web sites.

    • Tomato Thetan

      Racnad, what an awful thing to say to a kid who’s being bullied! The mom in me wants to wrap my arms around the elementary-age you. Thanks for crystaling what’s so horrible about this cult!

    • FistOfXenu

      Yup. Armstrong did all that. Honorable suppressive super WOG that he is. It’s gotta be Armstrong today.

      • Tomato Thetan

        I’ve voted in every match-up so far, but I can’t seem to make my finger choose one over the other today. Tough one.

  • F_Randy_Hullabaloo

    Headlys, Headlys, Headlys, Headlys, Headlys, Headlys, Headlys, Headlys, Headlys, Headlys, Headlys, Headlys, Headlys, Headlys, Headlys, Headlys, Headlys!!!!

    • Sherbet

      Hey, who are you voting for, F Randy?

      • F_Randy_Hullabaloo

        The Headleys, of course, and you can just call me FRH

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Now see….I would have answered Debbie Cook.

        • Captain Howdy

          “F Randy” is more fun to write, sorry.

          • F_Randy_Hullabaloo

            You can call me F Randy, you can call me FRH, but ya can’t call me a Scientologist

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Karen Black was hot back in the day. And a damn fine actress.
    Those slightly crossed eyes always made her unique.
    Hope she does OK.
    Wish she had not have given so much of her life and money to Scientology.

    • Sherbet

      I remember seeing her on a talk show about 25 years ago, and she was so vague and spacey, I wondered if she was on something. Now, I think she was just uncomfortable, but I wonder why scn didn’t give her more confidence and poise. I’m not being snarky; she clearly was not a happy guest on the show.

      • stillgrace

        I thought she and Scott Wison were the best part of the movie-version of Fitzgerald’s “The Great Gatsby”, the one with Robert Redford and Mia Farrow.

        • Sherbet

          Oh, yes! I’d forgotten! I always think of Five Easy Pieces, and her character was so pathetic.

          • Observer

            She’ll always be the woman terrorized by that creepy doll in Trilogy of Terror to me.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Bingo

          • Captain Howdy

            She was great in “The Day of the Locust'”, and there’s always “Trilogy of Terror” and “Burnt Offerings” for ghouls like me.

            Get well soon Karen and leave the insanity behind.

            • Sherbet

              You do seem to walk on the dark side, Howdy. I’ll bet you could write a book, or at least a pamphlet.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              The way to hell…and loving how you got there?

            • Captain Howdy

              I could write an encyclopedia.

            • Sherbet

              Ha! And send it to every library in the world, whether they want it or not!

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              No Cap’n! A musical.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Aaaaaaaaaaaggggghhhh!!!!!! Why did you make me watch that??

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1pnFLT_k5A&feature=youtube_gdata_player

      • stanrogers

        A lot of the actors i know are comfortable being anyone BUT themselves. (They are disproportionally represented, almost to the same degree as LGBTs, in the Twelve Step world.) That may be why they’re easy prey for Scientology as well.

        • Sherbet

          Well said, stanrogers.

    • Bob

      I have a theory regarding the numerous OT and PC clams that have contracted or are contracting cancer. Simple. 24/7 stress.
      Once you fully commit to the world of Psyentology you have the constant stress of living a lie. What you observe and what you believe no longer mesh. For me that equals contant stress at a subconscious level.
      That’s why so many ex’s speak of the great relief they have experienced when the wake up. Stress changes your bodies ability to fight off infection and alters your endocrine system. It is not a proven theory but there sure seem to be a lot of Scnrs who got cancer or are contacting it. Many of them are good people who die young.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I tend to agree with you Bob.

        • Bob

          It comes from my subjective experience but also watching a number of friends and associates die. Not fun and a damning indictment against the church.

      • FistOfXenu

        I see where this goes Bob. I don’t know what science says about it but I can see the point in a way. I think it’s also because a good $cientarCONonist doesn’t spend enough time getting regular check ups and by the time they figure out they got cancer it’s too late and anyways, doctors are out tech aren’t they?

        • Captain Howdy

          Plus a lot of them smoke like chimneys and because they believe L Ron’s B.S, they think smoking prevents cancer.

        • Bob

          FOX, the way it works is you have to see a medical officer if you are auditing on any line. They are really adamant that you do see a doctor if there is any possible health issues. They got in so much trouble because of the past deaths and illnesses they are very cautious now. That does not mean that clams follow what the doctors prescribe. But now doctors are considered part of any program.

          • FistOfXenu

            Okay, so that’s a small improvement over what I saw.

            • Bob

              I am sure the word came down to cover there asses.

      • Exterrier

        So true….I have watched it happen personally. Especially to OT 7’s. the famous “held down 7’s” from dianetics. And then there are the suicides.

        • Missionary Kid

          What? There are suicides? An OT7 would NEVER do that, after all, they’re superior beings.

          Sadly, that’s snark. It just shows how deep the lies run into the depths of a person’s being, and how much they have learned to devalue themselves in the face of Co$.

        • Bob

          I figured I was not the only one who saw that. LOL. The irony of the held down 7. One of the crimes of the century. Promising what you don’t deliver.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Excellent hypothesis..

        • Bob

          Thanks. I have speculated on how many people I know who might still be around if they did not have that stress.

    • FistOfXenu

      She has eyes like my girlfriend in high school. Wonder what she’s doing now?

      • Sherbet

        Sea Org.

        • Missionary Kid

          Oooooh. Snap!
          Best laugh all day.
          Thank you Sherbet.

          • Sherbet

            You’re welcome!

        • FistOfXenu

          That would be even worse than where she was heading when we split up. She was engaged to a connected guy.

          • Sherbet

            Uh-oh.

            • FistOfXenu

              Yup. Sometimes you just know it’s time to take a step back.

    • noseinabk

      The article I read today said she was seeking treatment in Europe and her husband would not elaborate Why not? I dont know why anyone would disagree with the latest, greatest researched treatment not yet approved by the FDA if it was the only hope. So, what treatment is she fundraising for? This is the difference between what Auntie Kate raised and her fund.

  • stillgrace

    Reading about overts and withholds reminds me of the time when I read Lisa McPherson’s O/W’s, especially the ones right before she died. I experienced incredible sadness, reading those O/W’s. I remember understanding how and why she lost her mind. There was no possibility for a shred of her self-esteem to exist after what she endured at the hands of David Miscavige, who personally supervised her case in the months before she died.

    According to Pierre Ethier, the writing of a scientologist’s o/w’s was originally meant to last for a short amount of time. She was subjected to weeks and weeks of forced writings of all her “failures”. Ethier talks about her “missing” folders, and how if RTC (read COB) REALLY wanted those folders, he would have made sea org members stay up all night for weeks searching for those folders until they were found.

    Of course, now we know for sure that Marty Rathbun had her folder contents destroyed. Why? Because the folders provided solid evidence that David Miscavige was personally responsible for the mental deterioration and subsequent death of Lisa McPherson. His incompetence directly caused her to die, something (at least for now) he completely got away with. DM is incompetent, evil, and in power – a deadly mix.

    Source material:
    http://www.lisafiles.com/scn/ethics/ow/index.html
    http://www.upperbridge.org/macp.html

    Please note: Pierre Ethier is a Class XII self-described “Scientology and Freezone Whisteblower.” He still drinks the LRH kool-aid. However, he reveals insights into the O/W process that are valuable.

    • noseinabk

      Thanks for posting those links. After scanning through the lisafiles, I just cant finish reading. But I will another time.
      Heartbreaking.

  • Mrs. V.

    I think of all the problems I have with scientology, and there are too many to count, this practice of everything that happens to you is your own fault bothers me the most. I think it’s the basis for everything that’s wrong with the cult, regardless of whether it’s “corporate scientology” or the indies. The whole concept is the most creepy, controlling, bullshit, money making scam LRH came up with, and it’s why I don’t fully believe that he was crazy and believed his own bullshit. It’s just too manipulative to come from someone who really believed that he came up with human-kind’s only form of salvation.

    • Missionary Kid

      LRH had a lot of practice scamming people out of money. $cientology was the result of a perfect storm of the right time and place, and discovering that by cloaking his lies as religion, he could gain traction and make money. I think this is “Stuff that Must Have Happened” catches his spirit very well. http://www.cracked.com/video_18426_ayn-rand-5Bplaceholder5D.html

      • Mrs. V.

        Oh yeah, I realize that he was a grifter for years before he founded his “religion” but sometimes when I read his writings or listen to him speak, I wonder if he believed what he was saying and was bat-shit, or if he knew exactly what he was doing. I vascillate between the two very often.

        • Missionary Kid

          I think he vacillated himself. He was self-aware enough to tailor his words to his audience, but I think he got caught up in his own bat-shit craziness and started to consider it gospel at times.

          • Mrs. V.

            I think you’re right. I never thought of it that way and it makes complete sense.

          • Mrs. V.

            And yes, that video is great!

          • CraftLass

            When you live in a world you have constructed where no one contradicts you, you usually start believing you really are right about everything. You see this in celebrities who have gotten so big they no longer have a single real friend left and their behavior and air of entitlement get completely out of control. Everyone needs someone to tell them the uncomfortable truths about themselves. Most of us have at least one family member or good friend who will do this, but when someone discards the people who really care about them personally, not as a celebrity/guru/leader/whatever but the person he or she is with all the positive and negative attributes, they have no one to reflect their true selves. I suspect this happened to LRH as his totalitarian control grew and he retreated into his cloistered existence surrounded only by True Believers. He rebelled and ditched everyone who had ever cared about Ron the Man, not Ron the Source. So, whatever he felt about his “religion” in the beginning, why wouldn’t he come to believe his own lies?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Very well done!

            • CraftLass

              Awww, thanks! 🙂

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              “When you live in a world you have constructed where no one contradicts you, you usually start believing you really are right about everything”

              I see being ever more true for der Dwarfenfuhrer. Except he is no slick, con-man, rather he’s a true believer who’s allowed to manifest the worst of their traits all day every day. I think he truly believes every word that he says. Or at least believes the lies he tells are for the greater good and all that nonsense. Just like Rinder, DM has been in this since his childhood and was even taken under the masters wing, so he buys at all hook line and sinker. If he’s ever convicted of any crimes, I believe he is so deluded that he’ll sound like that rat bastard Sandusky, who till his dying day will be convinced he did no wrong. DM will die thinking he failed(in this lifetime) and the planet will be lost of all hope….until he and LRH return.

            • Missionary Kid

              I volunteer to flush his ashes down the toilet.

            • CraftLass

              Agree, and with DM, he didn’t even have to go through the process of building it the same way, just cast out those who might give him anything but a rousing “Yes, Sir!” He came into that power at such a young age, too. He has no way to have any form of mature comprehension of any of what happens around him, he never even had the opportunity to learn any adult coping skills. It’s not exactly surprising, the more one learns DM’s history, the more obvious that it is that his maturation stopped by the age of 12. And there’s a reason that it’s really hard to find people willing to teach middle school… That is a most annoying age of rotten behavior, bullying, entitled attitudes, and immature outbursts. I can’t imagine the inner hell of being stuck at that age eternally.

              There are no excuses good enough for what he has done, but it does seem that he started as a kid with major issues and then his parents made just about every wrong choice possible and the folks at Saint Hill exacerbated every issue even before he was given the amount of power he wound up having before LRH died. A perfect storm to create a true madman.

            • Missionary Kid

              Excellent points.

              DM is just the logical successor and heir who knocked off anyone who would compete for the fealty of the minions. Unfortunately for the clams, he was even more isolated from reality than LRH.

            • CraftLass

              HA! Just saw this after posting my comment just below (great minds!). At least LRH had lived in the world before he got power and had some actual life experience. DM didn’t stand a chance of being anyone else but the dictator he is, he doesn’t know any other way to think. NOT an excuse for him, but I’m with his niece in wondering who he might have been if he’d just grown up in South Jersey getting knocked around by even bigger bullies (you just know he would have been beaten up a LOT if not in a position of power, he was already violent before Co$ came into his life) and having to cope with the real world.

            • Missionary Kid

              Different people learn different coping skills. I have a friend who, until the senior year of high school, was the shortest kid in our class. (He’s now my size – normal height, but overweight). He coped by deflecting attention from himself and never playing the victim. His wit and straightforwardness also helped him.

              DM is the classic passive-aggressive. I’ll bet he was a classic milquetoast until he got authority over others. All the time he was probably undermining whoever was in his way. Now he fears that anyone under him is doing the same, so he operates by keeping everyone under him off balance. The conflicting orders and unreasonable demands are a way of saying, “Prove you love me by taking my shit.”

              I don’t care if he didn’t have an appropriate upbringing. He’s making the choice to be an asshole because of his fears.

            • CraftLass

              From what I’ve read, he was having violent outbursts before he was exposed to Scn. According to Wright’s book, originally they were a product of people touching him during an asthma attack, which the guy who talked to Wright (can’t remember the name offhand) about this pointed out is not a normal part of asthma. As soon as he got to Saint Hill he was a bullying git to everyone around him. The thing is, he was more than allowed to get away with a lot of bad behavior, which reinforced his violence, I’m thinking. Knowing the area he was born in fairly well is where I got the notion that just a few outbursts from him would have gotten him in trouble with people who would have no issues with kicking his butt. I’m completely anti-violence, but maybe he could have learned from such experiences. Unfortunately, what actually happened was the opposite, he was given a position that gave him full power to abuse almost anyone, even before he took over.

              I do think you are right that he fears the very things in others that are his own failings. I also think that if anyone really stood up to him he would crumple. It’s a shame that no one has really been able to do that. It’s an even bigger shame it didn’t happen many, many years ago.

              I’m completely in agreement with you that it doesn’t matter what his upbringing he was, he is entirely culpable for what he has done. It doesn’t excuse a serial killer that his parents abused him into fulfilling his sociopathic or psychotic desires, either, but in both cases, it sure makes for interesting study for anyone interested in human nature and how we become the people we are.

            • Missionary Kid

              One of the blogs I came across claimed that DM somehow quashed a criminal charge against his father, then got his parents to divorce and his father to sign his billion year contract. That could be just idle chatter, but the person claimed to have been there. He couldn’t figure how the charge disappeared.

              I should have bookmarked it.

            • There was insufficient evidence and all charges were dropped.

              ‘The known facts are that Ronald Miscavige Sr., a salesman, was charged in May 1985 with criminal attempted rape, indecent assault and other charges stemming from an alleged incident at a King of Prussia apartment complex on Oct. 9, 1984.’

              There’s an interesting biography of David Miscavige here with the case mentioned about three quarters the way down the page:

              ‘From here to Scientology: Worldwide leader David Miscavige’s Philly-area roots’

              http://articles.philly.com/2012-01-03/news/30583520_1_david-miscavige-scientology-lrh

              Andrew

            • Missionary Kid

              That’s a good source, but the blog I read had the person in the room or close by when father and son met, and it was from their viewpoint.

              Of course, the church’s tactic is to attack, deny, attack, lie, attack, ad nauseam.

            • Exterrier

              Yep. Richard lll, the Scientology musical.

            • Missionary Kid

              Shakespeare was right all along.

            • A medieval proverb: “The poor Emperor has mustard on his nose, and not one friend to tell him so!”

            • villagedianne

              LRH did this to himself by alienating his early fellow researchers, appropriating their work as his own, and declaring himself the only source of truth. Check out the free e-book on the link below titled “The ESMB Posts”, a compilation of posts written by Alan C. Walter, an early crony of Hubbards:

              http://www.paulsrabbit.com/

              Even L. Ron Hubbard Jr. said his father stole most of the Tech from others.

            • CraftLass

              Thanks for the link and info! The progression of LRH through those early days is fascinating. But, yup, there we go again with how isolating yourself is the perfect way to start really believing your own crap. Or at least that your crap don’t stink. And you have to remove anyone you stole ideas from, right? Otherwise, your authority is diluted. Ugh.

              Everyone talks about possible diagnoses for LRH but I’m surprised OCD doesn’t come up more. Not just because of his obsession with cleanliness but OCD can make a person really obsessed with more esoteric things. Everything I’ve read about the Apollo days just screams unchecked OCD.

              Gotta make some more time for Paul’s Rabbit Hole, keep finding such good stuff! Thanks again! 🙂

          • FistOfXenu

            “He vacillated himself”
            You mean when he was studying physics in his bathroom right?

            • Missionary Kid

              He probably had a class in self-vacillation that he gave himself when he was in the bathroom.

          • Exterrier

            Exactly,exactly.

    • Missionary Kid

      LRH had a lot of experience working cons. Finally, when the times were right and he turned his lies into a religion, he found he could profit from it.

      I love this viewpoint: http://www.cracked.com/video_18426_ayn-rand-5Bplaceholder5D.html

      • Sidney18511

        That video is marvelously funny.

    • villagedianne

      The idea that we create our own reality is pretty common in spiritual circles, nothing new there. It’s all tied up with Karma and what we came here to learn in this lifetime. The idea behind “The Secret” and other like practices, is that if our thoughts create our reality, then changing our thinking, and our underlying ideas about life, can change our reality. But it becomes a big negative when it is used to assign blame, either to onesself or others. Once you use this idea as a stick to beat yourself up or beat others up, you’ve gone over to the dark side.

  • FistOfXenu

    By the way, when is somebody gonna tell DM that the reason all this is happening to him is because of HIS O/W? He’s pulled this in on himself and $cientarCONon. LRH created this cesspit of clusterfuckedness in the 1st place and DM expanded it straight up and vertical. DM, what really happened to LRH? What really happened to Lisa? What really happened to Shelly? WHAT ARE YOUR CRIMES? We are not auditing you.

    • Missionary Kid

      Miscavage’s Law: If there’s a way of fucking things up, he will.

      Scnethics Corollary: The amount of lies told by $ciontology are inversely proportionate to the size of the group spoken to.

    • Exterrier

      Ha ha…..funny but tragic and right on. But wouldn’t it be fascinating to audit him. Naw, I’d sooner dive into a pit of caramel coated eels!

      • Missionary Kid

        That’s the same as diving into his mind – without the caramel.

    • Good question for Scientologists: Does Ethics apply to DM? Has he ever been Sec Checked or assigned a lower condition?

  • jensting

    it’s an interesting challenge to keep chosing between such eminent fighters against the criminal organisation known as the “church” of $cientology. I’m going to have to go with Gerry just for being an older guard. Oh, and Marc, we’re waiting for that second book! 😉

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Movie Script!

      • I will tell you this about BFG – THE MOVIE. At least two very well known Screenwriter/Directors have read the book. That’s about all I can say about that.

        I also have at least TWO more books coming if I can find the time… The first is BFG Part II. It picks up right where the other one ended.

        The second new book is my favorite and the best middle finger book ever. It will be awesome. Not sure anyone will want to buy it, but it will still be awesome!

        Looking to crank both out this year…

        • Oh yeah, Scilons know about BFG movie stuff too. I think that is why they wanted the rights…

          • Captain Howdy

            “I think that is why they wanted the rights…”

            Whaaaat ? Feel free to elaborate. Pleeease !

            • Observer

              If I recall correctly, signing over the rights to BFG were included in the “church’s” conditions for waiving the $42,000 in court costs.

        • sugarplumfairy

          “…the best middle finger book ever…” I love it..

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          “The second new book is my favorite and the best middle finger book ever. It will be awesome. Not sure anyone will want to buy it, but it will still be awesome!”

          You are officially BFT now….Big Fuckin’ Tease!

        • Exceeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllent!! 🙂 Let us know when we can pre-order um 🙂

  • Ze Moo

    Well, Lron ‘confessed’ his o/w with things like ‘I masturbate too much’ and ‘I am attractive to women’. The group think is a mental trap that, if taken, gives you a loyal minion. If you say ‘screw this’, you aren’t fodder for the scam. In the hands of skilled, experienced brain washers this can be a hard hurdle to get past. As numbers of loyal sci-minions decrease, the danger of running into skilled experienced brain washers drops significantly. The ‘you pulled it in’ is just another guilt trap and method of control. How are you responsible for 9/11? The crash of a airplane or your sports teams latest loss? The more you get into such thinking, the more divorced from reality you become. Carried to the logical extreme, you get disassociated schizophrenia.

    • Missionary Kid

      Disassociated schizophrenia: $cientology

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Scientenia Syndrome

        • 0tessa

          Or maybe just simply and correctly: the Scientology Syndrome.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            facing of the palm. I can actually see this becoming a clinical term before too long.

      • 0tessa

        Also: Post Scientology Trauma Syndrome.

      • Trustmeonthis

        You forgot “at a premium price.”

        • Missionary Kid

          Thanks. Perfect.

          Disassociated schizophrenia at a premium price: $cientology

    • FistOfXenu

      Wait, you just connected Ron masturbating too much with pulling it in. Really?

      • John P.

        This is just elementary Newtonian mechanics in action. Remember, “for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.” Apparently, Hubbard discovered that first you “whip it out,” then you “pull it in.”

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Thanks to you two, I am getting way too much LRH imagery.

          How am I going to make ^^^ this go away!
          And if either of you tell me I pulled it in…I am punching somebody!

          • FistOfXenu

            You pulled it in. *ducks*

            • BuryTheNuts2

              WHAM!
              Damn it I missed!

            • FistOfXenu

              Whew! that was close! You’ve got some swing there BTN. you should play for the Yanks. That’d also get you in the locker room with DJ..

          • Captain Howdy

            You are getting sleepy BTN…..tonight when you look at Derek Jeter’s ass, the mental image picture of LRH spanking his thetan will be all you can visualize…I now command you to..WAKE UP !

            • BuryTheNuts2

              OK, Bucko! Now you done crossed a line!
              No, you crossed THE line!
              ARGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
              I AM RUINED!!!

              I am melting………………

            • FistOfXenu

              But now that we’ve found your ruin – “$cientarCONon can handle that”

        • Sherbet

          Bang bang bang.
          “What are you doing in that bathroom???”
          “I’m just studying physics, Ma!”

          • FistOfXenu

            “My thetan’s about to go nuclear”

            • Sherbet

              And here I thought my post was way too crude for this blog, and FOX comes along with that naughty remark!

            • FistOfXenu

              Crude? We’re here talking about a cult founded by a guy that sat in a room with another guy and instructed him how to wank. A cult founded by a guy that connects sex and pain and treats sex like its the root of all evil. A cult that asks people to write confessions of every time they wank and all their sex fantasies and every time they have sex right down to time and place. A cult led by a jerk – no a jerk off – that tells people off by accusing them of giving blowjobs on Hollywood Blvd. A cult that takes 1 of the most beautiful things in life and acts like its disgusting and degrading. Does that about cover it?

              I think you’re okay with your comment Sherbet. People that respect sex as a beautiful thing can’t ever be as crude as the Ron and Dave Show.

            • Sherbet

              Thanks, Fist o’. I feel better now. And, man, your comments are right on the money.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Well, when you put it like That. Too true. Let’s not forgot Davey the Pervert (inherited genes?) who likes to gather up his little soldiers late on frosty nights in the burly wood fireplace, all nestled cozy in their blankies, sipping on steaming cups of rice water, and then reciting bedtime stories straight out of Tom Cruise’s confessionals (just the juicy parts). And then … scooting them all off to two hours of sweet Forbidden dreams, which will be tortured out of them the next day and become tomorrow nights’ “Bedtime Stories for the Holy Volunteers”.

            • The Vatican manages to guilt-trip people about sex so much more effectively without coming across as nearly so crass.

            • Trustmeonthis

              They’ve had a lot longer to perfect their act.

      • Ze Moo

        Is it disassociated schizophrenia or Lron masturbating?? Only the engram knows for sure. Me, I just wanted a slightly more erudite way of calling Lron a jerk off.

        • FistOfXenu

          If you mean was it him screwing himself the answer’s yes.

      • Trustmeonthis

        Sounds more like pulling it OUT to me!

  • Espiando

    I actually thought about this vote overnight, which is more of an indictment of me than anything (yes, I brought it in). The best revenge, as the saying goes, is living well. Marc has had a successful book and another on the way. Claire’s doing great on her columns here. H1, 2, and 3 are there to show DM every day that SPs can flourish. We’ve responded to this quite well. I’m sure that DM is still in shock that the Headleys got the snarkiest fifty grand in history to pay off his insistent collection notices. I love them, and we all love them.

    But Gerry really suffered for what he did, all in service to the truth. Without Marc, we probably wouldn’t have known about the Hole. Without Gerry, we wouldn’t have known the truth about Hubbard. The latter is infinitely more devastating to CoS than the former. Remember, we’re voting for SMERSH here, what CoS believes to be its enemy. They’ve demonstrated for three decades that this is exactly what they feel Gerry Armstrong is. Yeah, I may be voting for tenure rather than potential, and it’d be wonderful to look back twenty years from now to see the boys following in Marc and Claire’s footsteps and doing great things, but in 2013, Gerry is not old news, and still has enturbulation to give. So Gerry it is, with a big groveling apology in the direction of the Headleys.

    As for today’s Clairegasm, oh, I’m so glad that I didn’t get involved. Combine my O/W potential with the Catholic “confession is good for the soul” ethos, and I would have spent months writing stuff up. The only positive is that I might have driven my C/S around the bend, especially given my verbose writing style. My PC folder would have required entire forests to be cut down and a large warehouse to store.

    • FistOfXenu

      “Clairegasm”! Very funny but something I wish could’ve stayed between her and Marc. My imagination is too creative.

  • SP ‘Onage

    It is a shame Karen Black has cancer and I wish her well, but what makes her any different than any other scilon celebrity that is willfully ignorant? I am sure she has heard the rumours or read on the internet about scientology.

    She was a scientologist when operation code-named “PC Freak Out” happen. No critic of the church has suffered more than Paulette Cooper.

    I am pretty sure Karen Black read about the 150 FBI agents armed with search warrants and crowbars that raided Scientology headquarters In Washington and Los Angeles July 8, 1977. She must have been aware of the bust, it was big news at that time and in all the papers.

    And, she was well aware of Anonymous in 2008 in this interview with the Chicago Tribune.

    “Karen Black reflects on her life and career”

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2008-09-19/features/0809171015_1_horror-films-five-easy-pieces-screen

    Like I said, I wish her well and pray she wins her battle against cancer. I loved her in “Five Easy Pieces.”

    • Sidney18511

      I have great empathey for anyone, anywhere who gets an illness such as cancer, but there is something that just sticks in my craw when it happens to a celebrity Scientologest, who had the money and the freedom (unlike SO members) to make better decisions. I am referring to Karen Black. Not Aunt Katie.

      • SP ‘Onage

        I agree. Many of my relatives have died of cancer. I wouldn’t wish cancer on anyone. I wonder if the blue asbestos on the Freewinds ship has anything to do with so many scientologist’s getting cancer?

        • Sidney18511

          Have about the emeter and it’s electrical charge running through a body for hours at a time, year after year?

          • John P.

            The current from the e-meter is direct current, either 3 volts or 5 volts, and the total current is measured in milliamps. You can’t even feel it, and it is absolutely not harmful in any way to humans. The e-meter is a highly sensitive circuit that detects the current transmitted through the body and amplifies it millions of times to get it to where it moves the needle on the meter. It is just like the tiny current that an EKG machine passes through your body to measure the electrical conductance of your heart — EKG machines are heavily regulated and undergo massive safety tests by the FDA before approval; if the e-meter were dangerous, then there would be no EKG machines, either.

            For electricity passing through the body to be harmful, one needs many millions of times the total current that you’d get in an e-meter. Wall current in Europe is 220 volts. If you got a full load from a residential circuit, you’d get 30 amps, which at 220v is almost 7 million milliamps of current. Also, AC is infinitely more dangerous than DC, so that much DC would be a hell of a jolt but isn’t always fatal.

          • SP ‘Onage

            I think it is only prudent to have your exposure minimized to electrical current, even low doses. We have enough free radicals constantly bombarding us. I sure as hell wouldn’t add more by using an e-meter on a daily basis. I still think it’s a pollutant capable of interfering with basic body processes at the cellular level, especially someone using it for hours at a time, year after year, like you said.

  • I have to vote based on damage going forward. Gerry did a lot in his time, but Headleys are just getting started.

  • Artoo45

    Pitting a Gen I critic against Gen III is always tough. The critics from earlier eras suffered mightily from phalanxes of sleazy lawyers, Eurgene Ingram and his goons and indifferent friends and family who would eventually just think that you were an obsessive nut. Nobody would believe that a church would behave in such nefarious ways, so support was thin and the battle loney.

    Today, thanks in large part to the heavy lifting done by the first two Generations, blowing is much easier, and there’s a crowd of well-wishers on the outside who see you as brave and heroic for making your escape. This is in no way diminishing the very real loss and suffering that goes on to this very moment in the cult. Brainwashed is brainwashed, abuse is abuse, and the conditioning runs deep even after one leaves.

    It reminds me of the difference between being a Vietnam vet and an Iraq/Afghanistan vet. The Vietnam vets came home and were ignored or spat on as baby killers. Today, military folks return to at least a very public campaign of “Support Our Troops” even though the actual support from the government is thin gruel indeed.

    My vote went to Mr. Armstrong, even though I think Marc and Claire are doing more real damage at present, the damage he did is a gift that keeps on giving.

    • Captain Howdy

      Beautiful comment.

      • Artoo45

        Thank you, Captain, FoX and Aqua. It is amazing how the constant pressure over the years combined with the arrival of the internet’s vast soap box has changed the landscape for critics of the cult. Tony’s work chronicling this movement will be invaluable to students of history yet to be born. But I’m expecting that there will be more awesome entheta from the earlier generations . . .

    • FistOfXenu

      Thanks Artoo45. I’m glad people like you are here to say what I’m thinking because it never comes out as good as I mean it to.

    • aquaclara

      Hip, Hip, Hooray, Artoo! Truly love what you captured here.
      “Today, thanks in large part to the heavy lifting done by the first two Generations, blowing is much easier, and there’s a crowd of well-wishers on the outside who see you as brave and heroic for making your escape. This is in no way diminishing the very real loss and suffering that goes on to this very moment in the cult. Brainwashed is brainwashed, abuse is abuse, and the conditioning runs deep even after one leaves.”

  • N. Graham

    This match is again one tough cookie. They all deserve commendations.

    I object when I hear that Battlefield Earth was “one of the worst big-budget movies ever made.” I think there can be NO DOUBT that it is the very worst. It would also rank worst with small-budget pictures like Plan 9 from Outer Space. Just think-it starts out about as literally dark as a movie can be. You have to strain to see what’s going on until your eyes get used to the dark. And consider lines like where they are discussing man liking rat because they see somebody eat one out of desperation. You can’t write stuff like this and expect anyone to take it seriously unless you are Elron.

    AND-this movie came out in the pivotal year of 2000. What with the arguments about the new millennium beginning in 2000 or 2001, Battlefield Earth can be considered THE WORST FILM OF TWO MILLENNIUMS!! It will have to be at least 1000 years until a film can be close enough to boast that achievement.

    • Plan 9 from Outer Space should not be dissed.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Thank You Snippy!
        A classic!

      • N. Graham

        Don’t worry, Ed Wood ranks high on my All-Time Favorite Lulz. Whenever I hear the words Glen or Glenda or Orgy of the Dead or Jailbait or Bride of the Monster, a tear glistens my eye. Of course, if Ed were still around today, the unemployment problem would be nothing like it is now. He had the knack of giving the unemployable a job! From Bela to Tor and Criswell to Vampira, Ed helped keep the wolf from their door, even if he insisted on filming it while wearing angora.

        • Captain Howdy

          You have excellent taste. Ed Wood and Russ Meyer are Kings on my planet.

          • Poison Ivy

            I had a feeling they’d be up your alley, Capt!

    • Poison Ivy

      “Worst Film of the Two Millenniums” – great moniker!

  • Sidney18511

    With all this cancer happening in the land of Scientology, I am leaning toward the thought that the E-METER is contributing in some way. I know that one ex who is a prolific critic has info regarding this on his website, his last name is Lerment (or something close to that).
    Not to mention the constant stress of guilt, financial and disconnect worry plus their belief that Scientology and not the medical field can cure everything, these people are living in the perfect cancer storm.

    • Espiando

      Uh, no. The e-meter doesn’t have enough juice going through it to give cancer to a compromised mouse. It’s barely an effective lie detector. Arnie Lerma is a sweet guy, but the cult drove him into Crazyville a long time ago.

      • Poison Ivy

        I think the stress of endless sec checks, the feeling that you can’t trust anyone, the being on-edge all the time, plus the incredible mental gymnastics it takes to wake up to massive and overwhelming cognitive dissonance each day are enough to cause disease. Add in the sleep deprivation, poor nutrition and other deprivations that Sea Orgers undergo and you’ve got a recipe for instant cancer, IMHO.

  • Sidney18511

    Found this interesting article regarding “Religious Trama Syndrome” and how it causes mental disturbance and illness.http://www.alternet.org/belief/religious-trauma-syndrome-how-some-organized-religion-leads-mental-health-problems?akid=10240.243298.wPSUkv&rd=1&src=newsletter814863&t=4&paging=off

  • I have been hitting the virtual abstain button fo some 10 days now.

  • Karen Black always gave me the willies

  • Observer

    Off-topic, but it looks like Big Being #3 has either had some work done or has been hitting the Botox. He looks … different. And shiny.

    http://tinyurl.com/cqlud3e

    • Ze Moo

      With equal amounts of steroids. The angular face is often a dead give away for steroids.

      • Observer

        I wonder if he’s sprucing himself up for the next episode of “Who Wants to Marry a Big Being?” tryouts.

      • Poison Ivy

        Yes, definitely steroids. I’m sure he’s been on HGH for years (very big in Hollywood.) I don’t think it’s botox; botox only does so much. I think he had a very good facelift maybe some fillers but not much -he doesn’t have the filler “puffy” look – and probably a pretty serious chemical peel.

  • Cymboli Starsong

    Yeah, I just have a hard time feeling sorry for celebrity scientologists. Maybe that makes me callous and cruel but there it is. The money and influence from celebrities like Karen Black have propped up a criminal enterprise bent on abuse, extortion, fraud and tax evasion for more than 50 years.

    • Missionary Kid

      It fits with Wright’s description of $cientology as having a 3 tiered system: The clams, the executives at the top, and the celebrities. The celebrity centres (I hate that spelling – it’s so pretentious) really must be set up to insulate the celebrities from the clams.

    • i agree. I also have a huge problem with Scientologists who become celebrities because they were stupid enough to be in the cult for twenty years and yet still follow the teaching of LRH. Marty Rathbun, Mike Rinder, Karen #1 to name a few. We would not know of these people if they had not been crazy enough to be in it for so long. They cant wait to run to the camera. At least the Headlys have told us its all bullshit. There is a big industry for ex corporate scientologists to write books and have blogs to make money. The indies will buy whatever their selling.

    • Poison Ivy

      I’m glad Karen Black’s friends came through with money for her treatment, and it warms my heart that people are so generous when they learn someone who has entertained them is in need. But you know, there are so many more millions of Americans in the middle class who don’t have money for the health care they need, even with insurance. My own cousin and her husband will now be in debt for the rest of their lives because of her (blessedly successful but intense and expensive) pancreatic cancer treatments. The fact that Karen Black’s husband is asking for money on Go Fund Me – well, I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of dollars OR MORE these two have poured into the church over the years. That’s the reason a successful actress who for years was paid handsomely at the top of her game (and still collects residuals in dribs and drabs); who has a really good health insurance coverage through SAG, now can’t afford her own medical treatment. Because Scientology took it all – and now that she really needs it, COB ain’t giving a penny back.

      • Sandy

        wow, PI. You said what I was thinking, but so much better…..

  • I voted for Gerry!

    • Sherbet

      That was a sweet thing to do!

    • N. Graham

      I saw Gerry was ahead and voted for you because I wanted it to be close-as it deserves to be!

    • FistOfXenu

      Hot damn you gotta love a community of people that vote for each other instead of being cut throat about it.
      Nice one Marc!

    • Poison Ivy

      You are a class act, Marc. Tony Ortega tortures us with these “Sophie’s Choices” every day!

  • Besides, I am already “BFG” and not interested in also being SMERSH! Just sayin’…

    • aquaclara

      BFG. Carrying on the tradition, I think that should be the next award….multiple winners allowed. Gold medals all around!

    • Jenny Tetlow

      Yep….the ‘big friendly giant’ of SPs

    • I know the arguments of the respective merits of each contender for the prize. In my opinion both Gerry and the Headleys should get my vote.

      But as this is both impossible and stupid as it would cancel out what tips the scales? Well, not wanting something is a certain way of getting it! And Marc doesn’t want to win. And Claire has given no indication that she covets the award.

      So, being contrary, I shall vote for Marc and Claire, as as seeing them both on the stage at the presentation ceremony in the prestigious Ruth Eckerd Hall weighed down with both the BFG Titanium Illustrious Patron of Merit and the SMERSH Golden Cross of the Redemption of Valour would be a stirring sight.

      This is true.

      ML

      Andrew

  • sugarplumfairy

    Woohoo!!!! Auntie Kate hit her goal of $100,000!!!

    • Sidney18511

      And it only took 5 days!!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Fantabulous!

    • Captain Howdy
    • SP ‘Onage

      Yes!!!

    • Poison Ivy

      So wonderful! She deserves it – hope this takes the pressure off her and she can now focus on just getting well!

  • I am grateful to you but nobody can understand unless they lived it.

  • Headleys Vs Gerry? Oh my Gawd! Well, as I’ve said for some time now…my guess is this will boil down to the two greatest merchants of Chaos: David Miscavige and Gerry. If Gerry had not done what he did…years ago….there’s a good chance we would not even know each other, let alone be having this contest! So as much as I adore the Headleys, quote them all the time, promote Marc’s book: BlownForGood—-Gerry gets my vote, and he deserves it all the way. Thank you, Gerry, for ALL that you have put up with to ensure the truth does stay out. And thank you to ALL who have also helped in exposing this insidious organization. Thanks, Tony O! You ALL ROCK! 🙂

  • DodoTheLaser

    Going to vote on upcoming SMERSH blog post with the pic I just made.
    It’s so amazing, powerful and dangerous at the same time, it might heal one from a deadly case of pneumonia.
    You’ve been warned. Be prepared.

  • Mary_McConnell

    Thank you, Claire! As always, telling it like it is!!

  • Joshua Lilly

    “Now write up your own O/Ws with C/S OK. Start with the first dynamic and get all O/Ws off. Then the second dynamic, etc., and through the rest of the dynamics. Do them per the W/H system. These O/Ws are totally confidential to your supervisor and C/S, no one else. They will not be used against you. The point is, that this is your chance to come fully clean. After the O/Ws are complete, present them to your supervisor. Then get an exam and write a success story. The write up goes to your pc folder.”

    What the HELL does that paragraph mean???