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Early On, Scientology Turns You Into a Snitch

Ah, the good old days...

Ah, the good old days…

Claire Headley has started us on our journey to train as Scientologists. In 2005, Claire and her husband Marc escaped from Scientology’s International Base after many years as “Sea Org” workers. She spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. Go here to see the first part in this series.

Claire, after the introductory Communication Course, there are apparently a number of different paths that a beginning Scientologist can take as they begin a trip up the Bridge to Total Freedom. For you, the next step was a course called “Overcoming the Ups and Downs of Life,” and you estimate its price at between $100 to $200. Can you set the scene for us? How did “Ups and Downs” unfold for you?

CLAIRE: At this point we’re still in the introductory course room with a course pack, checksheet, and your study materials. During the course you learn the meanings of basic Scientology terms, do drills, and write essays to apply the materials you are reading to your life.

For example, you study the characteristics of an antisocial personality (not yet referred to as a “suppressive person” or “SP” at this point) and you would then write an essay about the people you’ve known in your life who have displayed those characteristics. You would describe what those people did that demonstrated those particular traits.

THE BUNKER: Wait, we’re only a few days into our Scientology career and we’re already SNITCHING?

CLAIRE: Well, at this point, it’s still a very gentle approach, because at this early stage in your career, you’re probably not labeling yourself a “Scientologist” yet. The groundwork is still being laid, so to speak.

But even at this early stage, because I’d grown up in the church, I knew that potentially there were some very serious consequences on the horizon.

Up_The_BridgeI first learned about “Disconnection” at age 7. My best friend Susie was the daughter of Morag Bellmaine, one of the infamous missionaires who showed up in Europe in 1983 pretending to be with RTC and, under that guise, obtained copies of the OT levels for the independent movement of that time (Jon Atack writes about this in A Piece of Blue Sky). I very well remember how upset Susie was that she had to disconnect from her own mother. It was extremely shocking to me at that age. I can remember having the idea that Morag, who I’d only thought well of up to that time, had turned into some kind of witch. It was obviously not the case, but that’s how my 7-year-old mind processed the information.

THE BUNKER: Wow. Claire, let us try to translate for the newbies: Scientology has experienced breakaway movements throughout its history, but particularly in the early 1980s when L. Ron Hubbard had gone into hiding and a young David Miscavige started coming down hard on the old franchise concept of missions. Disaffected members wanted to form their own independent Scientology groups, but needed to get their hands on the church’s secret upper-level materials (there was no Internet in those days with such files floating around.) So some of these independents sent in a sort of commando raid to grab those materials. As you point out, Atack does a really good job covering all this. Anyway, the point is that Morag would have been immediately branded a Suppressive Person — an enemy of the church — and her own daughter would have been forced to cut off all ties to her in order to remain a church member in good standing.

CLAIRE: Even back then, I remember deciding I would never lose my mother at any price.

So by the time I came to study the “Ups and Downs in Life” course, I already knew what was coming. And I was just doing the course to try and please my parents and get them off my back about doing Scientology.

THE BUNKER: That sounds like a lot of pressure for a young kid. So what was the course like?

CLAIRE: It takes about six study periods. Each study period is 2 1/2 hours, and you’re required to do at least 5 periods per week. So 6 days. I took it when I was 10 years old.

Writing the essays, I struggled with describing someone as an antisocial personality. As a child, I thought it was mean and pointless to label people that way. My mother used to ask me pointed questions when I was sick, and I absolutely hated it. One time I just started crying and asked her to leave me alone. Another time (when I was in the Cadet Org, a sort of junior Sea Org) I’d broken my collarbone due to a seriously neglectful situation where I was sleeping in a dorm with 25 other girls.

So I wrote my essay about the school bully. It was detached from my life so that I didn’t get anyone in trouble, and yet was an “out” for me to get through the course.

THE BUNKER: So you found a way to snitch without compromising your own values too much. What was the environment like for this course?

CLAIRE: When I did courses in England, I was studying in a large room. You are not allowed to talk to any other student, unless for the express purpose of doing a drill, or getting a checkout, etc. The supervisors enforce that rule. It was sort of like a library, and you were generally working on your own.

For drills, you’d go to the practical course room with another student (and only when authorized by the supervisor). That room is very different. It often gets extremely noisy, with TR-0 Bullbait going on.

I always felt intimidated going on course as a child. Checkouts were hard and flunks were massively humiliating. So I always just tried to buckle down and get through it.

At the beginning of each study period they call roll, to account for everyone who is supposed to be there. Students who are late are sent to ethics; repeat offenders are made to do ethics conditions and amends.

At the end of each study period, they call a “That’s it” and tell the students to clean up, put away their materials and prepare to end the study period with a round of applause to L. Ron Hubbard’s picture.

At that point, they ask for students to share wins they’ve had. I always found that intimidating too, since sometimes there would be more than 100 people in the room.

And then everyone would stand up and give a round of applause to Hubbard.

Again, I always felt uncomfortable with that too. I didn’t see the point at all.

Today, introductory courses like this one are studied in a separate, more lax courseroom. A new person today wouldn’t have quite the same experience I did in 1985 when I was doing this course at age 10.

THE BUNKER: We’ve read accounts by other people who said that at this early stage they were still very skeptical about becoming full-blown church members. You grew up in it, were you wary about where this was going?

CLAIRE: Yes, I’d say at this point I was feeling skeptical, and on the other hand, it was mild enough that I could accept it, and it’s what everyone was doing. Plus you’re hearing about everyone’s great successes, and you’re getting tons of encouragement from all sides.

I’d say the genius of the approach, like it or leave it, is the gentle approach at the outset. Obviously if someone sat you down and told you what was to come (possibility of disconnection, control, how much money you’re going to spend, not to mention Xenu and all that), you’d get out of there in a hurry. But it was never like that. And keep in mind, most adults entering Scientology are at a low point in life, and that’s how they’re convinced to start at all. At least by my observation. Hey, we can help you feel better after your marriage ended or your boss was mean to you, or whatever.

THE BUNKER: Anything else you want to add about this early course?

CLAIRE: I think the only other thing to note is that right at the outset, you begin to get pushed that you should use Scientology to handle any situation in your life. It’s gradual at first, but soon it becomes much more demanding in terms of commitment and cutting yourself off from the outside, “wog” world.

THE BUNKER: What a whammy to put on a 10-year-old.

COST THIS WEEK: $150

COST SO FAR: $350

 
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SMERSH Madness: Sowing the Seeds of World Domination!

As we announced on March 1, we’re joining bracket fever with a tournament like no other. It’s up to you to decide who should be named the new SMERSH, the traditional nemesis of Scientology. Cast your vote for who’s doing more to propel the church down its long slide into oblivion!

Continuing with the Sweet Sixteen! We have another tough match.

KatieVsHeadleys

Katie Holmes changed everything. When she surgically removed herself from her marriage to Tom Cruise, she sent a clear message that she was fully aware of Scientology’s potential to cause her trouble. Not only did she outwit the church, she created a new media environment that has not dissipated: from supermarket rags to business publications, everyone wants a piece of the Scientology story. And as her daughter Suri grows, Katie’s vigilance is going to keep that story on the front pages. (Previously: Katie defeated David Edgar Love in the first round.)

Marc & Claire Headley detailed their harrowing escape from Scientology’s International Base in Marc’s 2009 book, Blown for Good. They sued Scientology and lost, it’s true, but few couples have done more to expose the hardships of the church’s fanatical inner corps, the “Sea Org.” Also, they keep having kids, which is in part a way of thumbing their noses at Miscavige, who denies SO members the right to have children. (Previously: The Headleys defeated Luis Garcia in the first round.)

 
Go to our March 1 post for the latest tournament results.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on March 19, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • 1subgenius

    The difference being between consciously “doing something” as opposed to what you did having an unintentional effect, the Headley’s get my vote.

    • whingeybingey

      Yep, same.

    • Observer

      I hadn’t read this before posting mine. I feel the same way.

    • That sums things up really well. Now if Katie ever writes a book where she details how she had to wear a David Miscavige mask during sex… she’s got my vote then!

  • jensting

    Snitching on each other is one of the ways in which victims of totalitarian systems are broken down. Orwell writes about it in 1984, and Solzhenitsyn in “The Gulag Archipelago.”

    • richelieu jr

      Jim Jones did it too, as did Mnason.

      And the whoel group confession thing is a big, big factor in removing free will… I’ve done abit of hypnotism and one of the biggest factors inthose shows yous ee is that there is enormous psychological pressure not to fuck up the show for everyone and ot go along. In fact, this force IS hypnotism… You are convinced to play along,there fore you ARE hypnotized; I am not kidding, this is the secret.

      You could refuse (and a certain percentage do), but you choose not to. This surrender of free will is central to hypnotism and, I suspect, in that dreaded process with the loaded name ‘brainwashing’

      (it is interesting to read in Sweeney’s book how much eh believes in brainwashing , ans in fact felt it was happening to him… Not only that, he felt he was cracking, and that it might work. Then when you see the text messages between Miscavige’s cut out and Tommy and Rinder, you see them saying ‘It’s working, he’s gonna crack. We’ll break him’.. And they were right. Call it what you like, it is real and is consciously used by the Scilons, Even ‘nice guys’ like Marty and Mike…)

      • Trustmeonthis

        Fascinating insight into hypnotism and how it works. Thanks for posting that. I seem to be one of those people who can’t be hypnotized – lucky for me!

        • Poison Ivy

          I’m supposedly one of them as well, though oddly I seem to be able to put myself into trance-like states when I’m writing.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Likely because you are the one controlling it.

        • I’m another. A couple hypnotists have tried.

      • Captain Howdy

        Manson would break the new girls in by giving them LSD and making love to them, telling them to imagine he was their father.

      • Exterrier

        Very telling observation. We are already brought up and conditioned not to mess it up for others. Already half way to being brainwashed….The Emperor parades by naked and we don’t want to spoil the parade….but the little boy does not “know” to be so polite. Attesting to mandatory “wins” constantly reinforced the self violation of your integrity, til it became normed into you. There is so, so much to hypnotism. A good wikipedia browse through Ericson, and the links, will amaze anyone. There are tricks and mysterious mechanisms, but the one you mention above has to be crossed voluntarily, and often is. No mystery to that one.

    • Casabeca

      Brilliant observation

  • EnthralledObserver

    I um-ed and ah-ed for a few minutes before going with Claire and Marc… as much damage as Katie taking a stand and leaving, taking Suri with her has produced, it’d be nice if she weren’t ‘finished’ with her story. I rather suspect she is bound by several gag orders etc that she had to agree to in order to get Scientology and Tom to settle so quickly and leave her alone, but… well, I just wish the whole sordid thing would leak anyway.
    Claire and Marc’s stories are great… and get told over and over, and new ones come out all the time, and they really hurt these Scieno characters and their credibility, so my vote went with them. After all, who doesn’t want to hear about the dirt and embarrassing tales involving TC…

  • Observer

    Headleys all the way! They’re actually *doing* something. Katie’s effect on Scn was a by-product of her rescuing her daughter and herself from Big Being #2. Commendable as that is, it’s the Headleys’ hard work that gets my vote.

    My heart is breaking for 10-year-old Claire and all the other kids who never had a choice. Hubbard was utterly despicable.

  • mirele

    Claire and Marc FTW! We wouldn’t understand Katie Holmes without Marc and Claire.

  • My childhood occurred in a very different world than Claire’s, but I find it fascinating to compare our respective experiences.

    In my era in New Zealand, learning was by rote, tables up to twenty times, spelling, grammar and understanding the definitions of words was mandatory and discipline was established by corporal punishment. Strapping on the hand at primary school and caning on the bottom at secondary school. Snitching was a cardinal sin, and if you were punished unfairly and the real culprit didn’t own up then you got your gang to exact vengeance after school and in private.

    But I enjoyed my childhood and would have hated growing up in the oppressive atmosphere of the Sea Org.

    Not being able to go to to the Public Library after school and stagger home with a vast armful of books, bicycling out to Wanganui Aerodrome every Sunday morning to fly my model aircraft, playing cricket and rugby and roaming the hills.

    I feel so sad for kids who didn’t have the choices I had. What a bleak world they must inhabit.

    Andrew

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      scientology is even more terrifying than Nuns with Rulers.

      • richelieu jr

        My nun had a thimble which she kept on the middle finger and she would come up behind you and CRACK it down on your head if you were daydreaming. It doesn’t sound like much, but it hurt like bitch, I can tell you…

        • Missionary Kid

          That makes me glad I was raised a :Protestant even though I’m no longer one. 😉

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Ouch. Yes, I’ve always suspected nuns had their own Crack Tech. Some you could almost admire for their imagination if it didn’t hurt so much. We were very well behaved students.

        • CraftLass

          I am so glad my Catholic education began after any sort of physical punishment was outlawed… One of the nuns I had was from those days and she’d just smack our desks with a ruler. That was scary enough! You could tell she was angry she couldn’t hit our hands with it. She’d tap it on her leg and grimace at us. I still have nightmares about her, imagine if she was allowed to punish us as she wanted? Fitch from Harry Potter always reminds me of her, the way he goes on about the “old punishments”.

          Oh, the things we do to children!

    • richelieu jr

      My childhood was different as well, suburban, relatively well-off, split between two countries and always on a 17+ hour flight to see the ‘other’ parent… Hard in its own way, but quite easy compared to some of the poor kid sin Sea Org, or making shoes in India, for example…

      I found Marc’s book fascinating for a number of reasons, but I really jumped when he spoke about growing up across the street from young Beck and Channing Hanson, because I knew them pretty well, after, probably from about 19 years ol on.. Interesting to have this window on them at such a young age…

      (fun fact: Channing was always ging ona bout inventing a religion and was big on that whole ‘dischordia’ thing.. Beck was..well, Beck. It’s not an act. And in the years I knew him he enver once spoke to e about Scientology. I found out with the rest of the world…

    • Poison Ivy

      In Jenna’s book one of the many heartbreaking things she wrote was how “word clearing” killed her love of reading. Criminal.

      • Exterrier

        Good point. I saw that first hand. I got recruited into volunteering for one of those Study Tech outreaches where parents bring their kids and you are to coach them on reading….using Ron Materials, like the basic study manual. Although there is validity to the point of making sure you understand what you are reading, and use of dictionaries, it was easy to see that the endless drubbing of kids with this pedantic method would destroy curiosity, and turn reading from being a self guided adventure, like Andrew from NZ above describes in his boyhood, and like I had experienced, m.u.’s and all….it was obvious that it would just become another task controlled by guilt and and rules and the oversight of watchful eyes. Poor Jenna, and so many others. So they had me coaching this one little boy, whose mother was hosting the event, forcing him to read the boring basic study manual…. As I watched his mood plummet, I asked, “So what do you like to read?” He eagerly told me about his monster books, and I told him to bring that down and read it to me. Well, he rocketed up to his room, and pretty soon he and I were having a blast reading something he was interested in….the only coaching duo in the room that was happy and doing well. Needless to say, the “supervisor” of the outreach discovered what we were doing, and I was asked to leave. It was just not Scientology. Poor kids.

  • Gordon Freeman

    “All persons who we bring to this place are washed clean, Winston. By the time we are finished with them, there is nothing left in them but sorrow for what they have done, and love for Big Brother. Isn’t it touching to see how they love Big Brother?”

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Chilling passage.

      • Captain Howdy

        “1984′ is my all-time fav and the last time I read it I found myself pretty much agreeing with O’Brien’s pov..muhahaha !

        ” O’Brien silenced him by a movement of the hand. “We control matter because we control the mind. Reality is inside the skull. You will learn-by degrees, Winston. There is nothing that we could not do. Invisibility,
        levitation-anything. I could float off this floor like a soap bubble if I wished to. I do not wish to, because the Party does not wish it. You must get rid of those nineteenth century ideas about the laws of nature. We make the laws of nature.”

        Hubbard’s favorite porn, I’m sure.

        • FistOfXenu

          O’Brien was obviously OTVIII. Maybe higher. And he’d done Super Powerz. That’s why he was so oily.

        • Ironically, I read 1984 and Animal Farm while I was a Student at Delphi Oregon. I found them in the Library there. This was my inoculation against being absorbed.

          • Captain Howdy

            They had a library at Delphi with wog books that weren’t “The Art of War” ? Freaking unbelievable ! Especially Orwell. Did they have “Down and Out in Paris and London” to get you use to being poor and hungry in the Sea Org ?

            • I believe many of the books were from the collections of staff members. I also read a lot of science fiction paperbacks I found. There was even a book on growing marijuana!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That marijuana book was mine! I was wondering where I had left it.

    • DMSTCC

      I remember this from Supertramp’s: Brother Where You Bound more than 1984

  • Note step B of the requirement to get back into the cult’s good graces:

    ETHICS SUPPRESSIVE ACTS SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS THE FAIR GAME LAW

    LRH:ml.cden Copyright (c) 1965 by L. Ron Hubbard ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

    A. Tells the person or group to stop committing present time overts and to cease all attacks and suppressions so he, she or they can get a case gain;

    B. Requires a public announcement to the effect that they realize their actions were ignorant and unfounded and stating where possible the influences or motivations which caused them to attempt to suppress or attack Scientology; gets it signed before witnesses and published broadly, particularly to persons directly influenced or formerly associated with the former offender or offenders. The letter should be calculated to expose any conspiracy to suppress Scientology or the preclear or Scientologist if such existed;

    B(1). Requires that all debts owed to Scientology organizations are paid off;

    C. Requires training beginning at HAS at their expense if Division 4 (Training and Processing) will have the person or the group members;

    D. Makes a note of the matter with copies of the statement and files in the Ethics files;

    E. Informs the Chairman at Saint Hill and forwards a duplicate of the original copy which shows signatures.

  • FLUNK101

    It’s hard to imagine studying Scientology at age 7. That’s young. And having to deal with disconnection?
    Hubbard ‘s desire to dominate and control knew no bounds.

  • 1subgenius

    “Also, they keep having kids, which is in part a way of thumbing their noses at Miscavige…”

    (And incredibly cute kids at that)
    The Headleys are usually pictured with the biggest smiles. More thumbing of the noses.
    Living well is the best revenge.

    • richelieu jr

      Thery are once cute-as-hell family, you gotta give them that!

      • Observer

        I’m pretty sure Marc would prefer “ruggedly handsome”. lol

        • sketto

          After reading Marc’s book and his story about his high-speed motorcycle escape, I think “bad ass motherfucker” would work too.

          • Missionary Kid

            Marc Headley, B.A.M.

  • Nero

    Actually Life Improvement Courses cost something like $25-50. The Success Through Communicaton Course (STCC) is about $100.

    Keep in mind that most new people don’t take the STCC as their first course since it’s considered a slightly higher gradient than what a new person might be able to handle, and also it takes most people a few days or longer to get through it.

    For their very first course, it’s usually one of the Life Improvement Courses, which can be completed very quickly, or the Personal Efficiency Course, or the Dianetics Seminar. All of this depends on what the individual communicates to the registrar. If they say they are very shy and suffer from stage fright, the registrar would recommend STCC. If they say they can’t hold a job and they get sick a lot, they’d go with Ups & Downs in Life. And so on. They’ve come out with several new Life Improvement Courses over the years to widen their appeal.

    Usually, a new person won’t even bother finishing their first introductory course because of the strict rules of the course room, or because they find the material too boring and patronizing. It doesn’t help things much either when the supervisor and the rest of the students do the Hip Hip Hooray thing, clapping to LRH’s portrait (which they’re not even supposed to do in basic course rooms).

    • Captain Howdy

      “Usually, a new person won’t even bother finishing their first
      introductory course because of the strict rules of the course room, or
      because they find the material too boring and patronizing. It doesn’t
      help things much either when the supervisor and the rest of the students
      do the Hip Hip Hooray thing, clapping to LRH’s portrait (which they’re
      not even supposed to do in basic course rooms).”

      Thanks, I think that pretty much explains why most folks don’t stick around for the re-make/re-model.

    • Bob

      Yes, the structure weeds out those who dislike a regimented environment.

  • Unex Skcus

    I was rather surprised that Holmes got the vote over David Love. David has done, is doing, and no doubt will continue doing, a lot to expose Co$ and Narconon. Holmes did nothing but look out for herself and her daughter (which of course, is not a bad thing, but…) . Marc and Claire by a country mile; for their courage, and because their happiness as a family must be driving the dwarfenführer beserk.

    • Katie did damage, no doubt, but she has done as she is ever going to. The Headleys are the gift that keeps on giving. I also voted for David in the previous, and vote for the Headleys this time. It was a mite unfair of Tony, though, to give Claire a kind of home-field advantage by having this matchup come up on one of her days to contribute to the column.

      • TonyOrtega

        Yes, it is an unfair advantage. And I thought about it for about 5 seconds as I was preparing this post and realized the juxtaposition of the story and the SMERSH matchup. And then I went on to more important things. Heh.

  • Nero

    “(there was no Internet in those days with such files floating around.)”

    The Internet did exist back then, Usenet having been established in 1980. Obviously, it wouldn’t be until commercial access to the Internet was available around 89/90 that the general public could begin making use of it.

    What is interesting is that no one back then thought to share and distribute Scn materials on BBSs, which were very common and widely available.

    • richelieu jr

      Yeah, but you had to know about it and it wasn’t nearly as user-friendly as email…

      • Ze Moo

        Ah, the halcyon days of dial-up with 1200 baud modems. One had to be fairly technically minded to ‘surf’ the bbs in those days. The modern internet didn’t begin until AOL(91 or 92) and Netscape (94) started up. By 95 you had dial up almost everywhere and the internet was off and running.

        • richelieu jr

          I came on about the time of Mosaic.. Sheesh, remember that?

          Here in France we were even further behind because we couldn’t give up our precious Minitel…

          • Trustmeonthis

            Bahaha, minitel! They tried to roll out in SF, but the proprietary box guaranteed its failure.

        • Trustmeonthis

          You forgot Mosaic!
          When that came out, it was obvious that everything was going to change.

        • My awareness of the evil side of Scientology began around ’91 in London thanks to AOL and the very ‘Theta’ Scientology forum on its religious section. (The only other Internet choice in the UK at that time was Compuserve.)

          The fanatical zeal of those Scientologists discovering the Internet in its nascent state was repellent. If they could have got their hands on Mark Ebner they would have ‘hammered him into a ‘state of non-existence’ with the same vicious glee of their forebears in Salem in 1692.

          It became very clear to me that the Scientology organization was capable of warping people’s nature and injecting evil into their souls. Destruction of lives, relationships and prosperity was Scientology’s hallmark then, just as it is now.

          Andrew

        • ParticleMom

          Before AOL there was Q-link, which I connected to through an 300 baud modem on a Commodore 64.

    • Before something could be posted to a bbs, there would have to be a copy of it. Students on the advanced levels were not allowed to take the materials home, and I’m sure they didn’t have digital copies on computers equipped to connect to BBS’s. It wasn’t until the late 1980s when the OT Materials became evidence in court cases that they became readily available.

    • John P.

      With 2400 baud modems circa 89/90, it would have been difficult to exchange such materials. Even with increases in modem speed shortly thereafter to 9,600 baud or 19.2, it would have taken hours to download PDF files. By the way, Acrobat, the software to generate and read PDF files was not delivered until sometime in 1993 or 1994. So the only way to share that information via the internet would have been text documents typed by hand from the source materials. And without a standardized format to capture scans, it would have been possible for the cult to have denied that the materials were real. The fact that the OTIII material is in Hubbard’s own handwriting makes it pretty darned hard for the cult to deny it credibly (except to their own members).

      As someone who lived through the rise of BBSs in the early 1980s and through the rise of the Internet (as a user and as an investor) after that, I think you’re overstating the case that the technology before the World Wide Web and broadband would have been able to get the crazy out into the sunlight. Putting bit maps on Zip drives (remember those!) wouldn’t have worked either, even though that technology had enough capacity to hold scanned originals.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    I am trying to process the fact that Claire could smell the stench of what she was being force fed at such a young age. Her internal moral compass was strong enough at seven to know something was not quite right. She rather feeds Hume’s notion that morality is based on sentiment as opposed to simple reason; due to her age alone. That right there says a lot about how horrific Scientology really is. No seven year old girl should ever be put in that type of a position.

    I realize it happens way more than it should, both inside and outside of Scientology.

    But damn!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Aww, somebody lurves me.

      Muah’!

      • Captain Howdy

        “I realize it happens way more than it should, both inside and outside of Scientology.”

        One example is home schooling, where it’s perfectly legal to “brainwash” your kid(s) into believing the earth is 6,000 years old and evolution and the big bang are “lies from the pit of hell”.

        • Missionary Kid

          I have an acquaintance who was home schooled (not for religious reasons). The gaps in his knowledge match his parents’.

          What? You’re trying to say the earth is only 6,000 years old? What about all those previous lives and Thetans coming here millions of year ago?

    • FLUNK101

      I was thinking about how the mother asked Claire “pointed questions” when Claire got sick. In other words, who is the SP that made you sick? Can you imagine how frightening that would be to sick child? 
      Bertrand Russell and Alfred North Whitehead (and other writers as well) have noted that we humans have a tendency to divide the world up into “things” and what those “things” do. This is reflected in the subject-predicate nature of our language.
      It’s easy enough to comfort a sick child with the idea that we all get sick sometimes. But to ask the child to search her mind for the evil person she knows that caused her to be sick puts that child in the middle of a witch hunt when she should be recuperating. 
      And yeah, it’s amazing this young lady had the instinct to tell her mother to leave her alone!!!

      • Poison Ivy

        Yes, this is what strikes me as well. In Claire’s report, above, and in Jenna’s book, it blows my mind that these children who were taught practically from birth that Scientology was the only way STIll had an instinctual aversion to what it was asking them to do. Bury writes: “This rather feeds Hume’s notion that morality is based on sentiment as opposed to simple reason; due to her age alone. That right there says a lot about how horrific Scientology really is.” Absolutely. I think there is some combination of sentiment and reason involved, but these children’s gut feeling is that what they are being taught is wrong. That is impressive…I wonder what distinguishes the Claires and Jennas from the Giovani Ribisis and Tommy Davis’, who seem to buy into the ‘ethics’ part right off the bat?

      • Yes, it is the exact same thinking that unfortunately still survives in backwoods parts of Africa (sometimes it crops up in Latin America too), where the communal response to an outbreak of sickness is to find the “witch” who cast the evil spell. Some unpopular woman is then harassed or killed.

  • Sherbet

    Katie Katie Katie! She’s the ex of Mr. Public Face of the Church, and her escape from Loonyland was an eye-opener. How many people thought scientology was just some 1950s goofiness until her defection hinted at cos’s dark side?

    This takes nothing away from the Headleys, but their story was known only to insiders for quite a while. Katie’s surprise blasted open the door to the media, and they ran away with it — magazines, ezines, late-night talk shows, network exposes, tabloids.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    This contest keeps sucking more and more, but I finally realized that there are sentimental votes, and then there are votes for the foundational veterans of Smershdom as opposed to newcomers. There’s another scene that comes up at times about affecting scientologists to leave or preventing wogs to enter.

    The main nemesis to scientology is truth in whatever form that truth takes. I agree that Katie Holmes has been silent and may just have had her daughter in mind, but look at the power and money pot she had to go up against. And since the contest is not about who Intended the most damage, I’m looking at the floodgates her actions opened up around the world of revelations about human rights abuses and crimes, the RPF, life for a scientology child, but most of all, the whole subject of disconnection in scientology.

    For those who’ve waited what seems like an eternity for the media to cover the true horror story of scientology, every week more and more of the dark and disturbing damage scientology does to a child and parent was exposed for the first time, and that includes links to reference for curious researchers and stories like the Headley family as well as every single contestant on the bracket list. I’d guess 98% of those who read the stories, it was their first time and commented “I never knew it was this bad”. How many new readers to the Bunker alone arrived via Katie?

    Tony is correct when he said Katie changed everything, intentionally or not. Every one who put out their story or created forums for information, or filed their facts on the internet, that entire wealth of true facts built brick by brick was exposed to all because of Katie’s media blitz. It was the key that unlocked Alice in Wonderland’s rabbit holes that lead to the wailing wall of broken hearts and shattered families. Katie dethroned scientology’s top lure over four decades, Tom Cruise, and innoculated untold millions of parents around all of Teejeack and millions of children are sleeping safe and sound because of a little princess named Suri.

    • Sherbet

      THDNE, I agree a zillion percent.

    • Captain Howdy

      Except for Tom Cruise, no one has brought more negative attention to scientology than Katie Holmes. Whether it’s intentional or not is irrelevant.

    • As i read the posts here I feel out of place somewhat. I never paid much mind to Scientology as i thought it was a celebrity religion. The first time I really started to look into it was when a Vanityfair article caught my eye*(October 2012) about Katie. In the article Blown For Good is mentioned and i bought the book. I might be the newest newbie here, oh sheesh maybe the only one. Anyway I started looking into this on the net and reading other books, Going Clear, Inside Scientology, Messiah or Madman I even tried getting through Dianetics. So yeah I have to agree that Katie woke some of us up to the insanity that has been going for so long and is still going on. As i have only been aware of this site for a little less than two weeks now i haven’t voted on any of these (even though i did say i voted for Debbie a couple days ago at the end of a spoof story, and by the way I hope i didn’t offend anyone with that here, it was just for fun. Just reading those few books I would get angry and upset and the spoofs help to dispell that.) It is rather frightening to think that so many here have lived a life wrapped into Scientology for so long. So i want to thank everyone here and out there working so hard to wake the rest of us up.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        First, welcome to an endlessly fascinating subject.
        You will never be the same.
        And it is always worse than you think.
        Which is why we are so irreverent.

      • Welcome to the Bunker. You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave. (Eagles lyrics represent the Dark Side of the bunker). See the glory of, the royal scam. (Steely Dan lyrics are the Bright Side).

      • Sokramor

        The Tom/Katie situation was the start of serious Sci watching for me, too. Here in Germany, they’re rarely in the news, and I knew already that something was fishy about the whole organization, but I never cared that much. This changed when I discovered the Village Voice and, there and here, so many intriguing (and terrifying) stories and fascinating reports that I can’t just “not care” any more.

      • hogarthian

        Hey!… you’re newer than me! It’s great here. You have found a place where your fascination can be made manifest. And the Bunkerites are just peachy (tough, but very peachy). 😉

    • Bob

      Very well put. Extremely articulate. Unlike a tiny Tot I know.

    • Del Ling

      I believe miss Holmes (or her father) was a lot more clever behind the scenes than most gave her credit for. I do have a tendency to see patterns where none exists, but my take was this:

      The trip to New York and change of body guards etc was, of course, planned for some time. The opening given by her handler (Tommy Davis wife?) not being there as well as TC himself being away and busy for an extended period of time gave the opportunity to act. I believe the press was fed information daily by someone inside Katies team to ensure good press for her and scientology being brought front and center of the split. They cleverly used the facts that Scientology and TCs involvement is so controversial and LRH policy regarding children is enough to scare any sane person. Having good relations to the press (including giving photo ops) also gave them another line of defense against PIs as was demonstrated.

      The combined effect – highlighted scientology and TC being extremely busy (and he can’t really afford more bad press) ensured a quick settlement. My guess is that a deal also was struck so fast because miss Holmes and her dad was very well prepared and offered a deal (my guess would be main custody of Suri and keeping her out of scientology in exchange for no money involved and a vow of silence). I bet slappy slapped a lot people for what happened and TC most have gone ballistic, but their hands were practically tied.

  • dwayners13

    Considering that Clair & Marc turned down Miscavige’s offer to forgive their debt (incurred from the lawsuit) if they agreed to spy on Marty Rathbun, I’d say the couple overcame the ‘snitch training’ they received from the church.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Indeed!

  • FistOfXenu

    Katie proved that despite any allure and career benefits of being with Tom Cruise and all the dangers threatened by $cientarCONon for leaving him, a mother’s love and protectiveness for her kid can be more powerful. She deserves something for putting Suri’s future above everything else.

    But I have to go with the Headleys on this. Sorry Katie, they meant to expose $cientarCONon for the nasty criminal mob it really is; you hurt them big time but that wasn’t what you meant to do it was just the side effect. So I chose the Headleys instead of you. But you still have those beautiful eyes. 😉

    • richelieu jr

      Career benefits? You must be kidding! She was doing much better before she hooked up with shorty– He talked her out of doing The Dark knight, for chrissakes!

      • FistOfXenu

        Fair enough. But he would’ve looked like a good idea before he went postal on Oprah’s couch. Until the last few years he would’ve had some pull in Hollywood.

        Your comment makes me wonder why TC didn’t want her doing The Dark Knight. It’s not like anybody cracks jokes about $cientarCONon, at least I don’t remember any.

        • richelieu jr

          Maybe little Tom didn’t want anybody overshadowing him? (so to speak ;-))

          • Missionary Kid

            Your “overshadowing” comment caused the tune of “We Shall Overcome” to pop into my head with the words, “We Shall Overshadow” instead. I know, it doesn’t sound good, but the idea does.

            • Ze Moo

              I think one of the reasons katie left was that she was not allowed to grow as an actress. Tommys ego couldn’t stand her getting more attention then he got. The ‘big being’ stuff gets old very quickly……TC has reached the place in his life where a reassessment is in order. I wonder if he has the mental agility to find scamatology is his biggest problem?

            • Missionary Kid

              Scamology does every thing it can to avoid introspection – it could (and often does) lead a person out of the cult.

            • Bob

              MK, Again I must disagree. Scientology is ALL about introspection. You are required to introspect almost immediately when you do your first course.
              And the church has set up a whole division(Div 5) called Qual to correct itself. And I hear that DM personally trained all the chimps and gorillas who man up the International Division. I think the symbol for that division is the three sitting Gorillas, each covering a different sensory organ.

            • Missionary Kid

              Here’s only one problem with $ciontology: they make up their own definitions or redefine terms to fit their world view. Admittedly, what follows is from Wikipedia, but at least it has footnotes so you can look up the citations yourself to check them. I don’t have any of my college basic psychology texts any more, but this is the commonly held psychological definition.

              I’ve put what I consider the important part in caps that they choose to leave out when they taught you their definition:
              Introspection: “This article is about the psychological process. For other uses, see Introspection (disambiguation).

              Introspection is examination of one’s own conscious thoughts and feelings.[1] In psychology the process of introspection relies exclusively on observation of one’s mental state, while in a spiritual context it may refer to the examination of one’s soul. Introspection is closely related to human self-reflection and is contrasted with external observation.
              Introspection generally provides a privileged access to our own mental states,[2] NOT MEDIATED BY OTHER SOURCES OF KNOWLEDGE, so that individual experience of the mind is unique. Introspection can determine any number of mental states including: sensory, bodily, cognitive, emotional and so forth.”

              What $cientology does is NOT introspection, but a guided experience. They provide “the other sources of knowledge” so that the individual thinks and interprets their “introspective” experience the $cientology way. It is a subtle form of brainwashing. At the end, they tell the person that those are really their thoughts that they’ve been experiencing.

              They’ve subtly loaded the dice in their favor.

              No wonder they hate “psychs” and try to keep their victims (clams) away from psychology as it is understood in the rest of the Western world. If one really studied psychology, they’d find that the definition and means of introspection is different than Co$’s perverted one that they use to control people. Co$ doesn’t allow a person take their own path of self-discovery, because it would possibly lead them away from $cientology. True introspection requires honesty with oneself, and honesty is the last attribute I would give to Co$.

              What this redefinition of terms does is causes the person who’s adopted the Co$ definition to do is misinterpret what they hear from the rest of the world. They fill people with false information.

            • Bob

              Thanks for taking the time to answer an otherwise frivolous comment on my part. You made a very good point. not sure if you have done much auditing. It is directed but with no evaluation or comments on the part of the auditor. But you are right that there is a certain amount of training required before you audit. But again some fundamental auditing requires very little pre programming or none at all. But in the broad definition of introspection Scn makes you look inward albeit it is directed.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’ve got a long post to reply to you, but I’ve got other stuff to do, so I’ll be responding later.

            • Bob

              Sure. I appreciate the time you take to share your POV. It is very enlightening for me.

            • Missionary Kid

              This is my personal viewpoint. My knowledge of psychology and psychiatry comes from only one college course, but that is supplemented with a lot of reading and contact with professionals as well as patients. I am not a health care professional, but I have worked with them. (My friends jokingly may say that I need a lot of help from them. After reading this, you may agree.) 🙂 I have also never been “in” $cientology. I use the dollar sign because money is its objective.

              Psychologically, we all have a difficult time looking at ourselves, because we erect a lot of unconscious barriers and defense mechanisms. That’s what therapists are for: they help us pierce the veil of self-deception. At times we also avoid talking about painful events when we need to examine them to progress in our lives, so at times we need to be challenged on them.

              That part LRH got right when he borrowed his ideas from psychiatry and psychology and recast them in his own 1950s and earlier mythology and attitudes. What he got wrong is that his methods, (“tech”) are unique and they alone can lead to personal breakthroughs that will give the person new freedom and help to save the world because they are so special.

              Using Hubbard’s methods, the therapist, who he calls the auditor, is the one who determines the
              best course of treatment, instead of doing it mostly in conjunction with the patient like the rest of the psychological treatment world.

              In $cientology, there is no guarantee of confidentiality or code of ethics to prevent information from being passed on to others. In fact, private confessions are used against a person who tries to leave, to keep them under the thumb of Co$.

              My view on the history of psychology:
              In prehistoric times, (and in primitive societies) people described the different parts of the personality as spirits or devils that inhabited the body. Freud, in his study of the mind, postulated the unconscious as the part of the mind that one can’t see in themselves, and gave names to concepts he developed to characterize them, such as ego, id, and super-ego.

              He also came up with theories of personality development. His terminology was a means to describe how the emotions and the mind work. They are only tools and and they gave a common vocabulary and framework for the study of the mind. They are only constructs, and terminology for explaining human behavior. Freud also developed some means of therapy to help people deal with their problems.

              Since Freud, there’s been a lot of scientific research on the human mind, and there’s been a lot of different therapies developed to help a person to cope with the world around them. Psychologists are not authorized to issue prescriptions, but they sometimes work together with physicians and psychiatrists to give a patient drugs as tools to function better. The idea is to help them so they eventually don’t need drugs, if possible.

              $cientology:
              People are lured into $cientology by the natural curiosity everyone has about themselves. That’s why a “personality test,” or free auditing is offered. In this stage, information is gathered about the person that is then fed back to them in a way that resonates with what they already know about themselves. What is then offered is a means to a better life, even super powers when the person learns to rid themselves of what is holding them back by following $cientology.

              Upon being introduced to $cientology, everyone is urged to take courses which are portrayed as the means for self-improvement. The real purpose of the courses are to steep a person in LRH’s unique definitions of human behavior and psychology, give them a taste of some progress, and, ultimately, lead them to the science fiction world of L. Ron Hubbard where they spend a lot of money. [What follows is not from personal experience, but from what I surmise] At every turn after some class or session, the person is urged to declare a “win,” or express progress that they got out of the session. Even if there has been little or no progress, this puts the person in a state of mind that is positive towards the experience. Everything is geared towards the person wanting and spending more.

              Tied in with the redefinition of psychological terms is also propaganda about conventional psychological therapy. Any and all past abuses of psychiatrists and psychologists are cited, tagging them with the term, “psychs” and omitting the fact that many of the incidents occurred decades before, some well before LRH even came up with the idea of Dianetics and are no longer practiced, or even considered ethical.

              The fatal flaws in $cientology are there because everything came from L. Ron Hubbard,to put is mildly, was a teller of tall tales, a pathological liar, and a con man. All its premises are based upon his weird ideas anchored in the 1950s and earlier. I cite attitudes toward homosexuality, sex, alcoholism, and drug addiction. The part of the physician’s oath that says, “First, do no harm…” is non-existent in $cientology. It is all about the money.

            • Bob

              My point of view having experienced many different facets of the church including close up with the Hub. It started out in one direction with some good ideas and noble intentions. But it was founded half on bedrock and half on quicksand. Does not make for a stable outcome. It is now topsey-turvy and going down hard. But before it goes down it will have damaged many people.
              I was one. I am recovering slowly. Part of that is seeing what I personally got that was good and what was really bad. MK, Thanks for taking the time to go into detail regarding your POV. I gain more balance from the positive and alternative dialogues I have had on the blog.

            • Missionary Kid

              The problem with any cult or group that isolates its followers psychologically is that when a member leaves, they discover there’s a lot of information that they’ve been given is wrong, some subtle, and some not so subtle.

              What makes things very difficult for the person new to the outside world is that not only is the information wrong, but the framework they’ve learned to put this information in is flawed so that they process the new information wrong.

              That’s what so pernicious about $cientology: when people are introduced to it, they are provided with definitions that are contrary to those commonly in use in the rest of the intellectual world, or that only have meaning in the context of $cientology.

              As a result, when a person influenced by Co$ and a wog are talking, each often understands what the other is saying in completely different ways than what it is intended.

              It is difficult enough to reintegrate into the rest of the world without not only having to learn new terms, but to unlearn false ones.

              Good luck.

            • Bob

              Thanks. so far it has been a joyous affair being out. What caused a great deal of stress for me was constantly going back and forth between both worlds but being grounded only in the Scn mind set. It is so much easier now knowing that a lot of the premises are took as totally true are false or unproven.

            • Missionary Kid

              I get angry at LRH and $cientology because they’ve taken people with perfectly good motivations and bent them to their evil will. DM is a logical result of someone raised in this system: evil from the beginning who had little chance of turning out positively.

            • Bob

              So do I. More so the current regime. Not sure though if DM would have turned out any better. Probably only would have effected less people.

          • FistOfXenu

            You think TC might be afraid of Batman? I feel a movie plot here. The key scenes are all with TC playing one of his roles and getting his ass kicked. All of a sudden Batman swoops in, picks up TC in the palm of his hand and hides him in his utility belt and rescues him.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Thanks for your stories, Claire, of scientology through the eyes and mind of a child. That kind of stress should never happen to children and another reason for U.S. lawmakers to revisit and rethink the whole issue of religious cloaking vs. human rights. Claire’s right when she says so many are lured in via some vulnerable point or low time in your life. The Ups and Downs I particularly remember. I was worried if I wrote anything down that some people would be arrested. That never happened.

    Then I began to get pains so I was sent off to get touch assists in another area. Eventually felt better, and sent back to course. But they came back, this time, hard. More assists, eventually they subsided. Now this would be what scientologists would call a “win” and hang on to this as truth for forever. The truth was it was a natural ebb and flow of what was happening physically with me at the time, Not assists. It was the first, but not last, time I came within minutes of dying due to scientology quackery. That was the truth, not a belief, as told by the Emergency Room surgeon.

    This is why scientology is harmful, yes, even the intro courses, for the reasons Claire states above, including being sent to ethics, or students sent to assists. Scientologists are not licensed to diagnose or practice Anything, but they not only believe they are, they believe they are superior. There is nothing that is Not harmful in scientology. None.

    • Missionary Kid

      I guess it could be said that $cientologists are trained to misdiagnose everything to humiliate, browbeat, guilt trip, control, and force conformity. The big problem is, the world doesn’t work that way.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        most believe they have special knowledge and miraculous skills. everyone has Their personal crossroads moment when they decide to be willfully ignorant and therfore irresponsible, even criminal for some, or they leave. those who stay fit your description.

        • Missionary Kid

          I think it takes special courage to leave and to take responsibility for actions taken under the thumb of Co$, then to go on and help others escape.

          The Nazis thought they were special, too.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Katie’s a mom and she did an awesome job of saving her daughter, at least up to this point since the battle probably isn’t over as long as dad and step-sibs are still in..

    But Katie’s responsibility doesn’t end with her own child.. It takes a village, and Katie is shirking her global responsibility if she doesn’t do whatever she can to protect the rest. If she knew her own daughter was at risk, she knows other people’s children are at risk.. I don’t care what she signed, she could still do something, even behind the scenes, to bring down co$ and it’s death grip on some families.. And who knows, maybe she is.. doubtful, though..

    Marc and Claire are the opposite.. After what they’ve been through, no one would blame them for keeping their heads in the sand.. Instead, they’re out there swinging.. Gotta frking love that..

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      So how do you know she isn’t doing something “behind the scenes”?

      • sugarplumfairy

        Like I said, maybe she is.. But if she were, wouldn’t we see some ripples in the universe?

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Flag is so desperate for cash, they are now Simultaneously threatening lower orgs for staff trainees as well as the former staff student as well. That isn’t a ripple, that’s a flood. lol

          • sugarplumfairy

            Yep.. and we know where co$ ends up going when they need fresh low-paid raw meat.. third world countries all need to batten their hatches..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Been happening for some years with the same results as businesses who outsource non english, foreign culture, staff desparate to upsell.

            • Captain Howdy

              Hey, a free trip to America and free rice and beans probably sounds pretty good to a fairly large segment of the world’s population.

            • sugarplumfairy

              And then they get here.. and the slavery begins.. And look at those faces in the photos Derek posted.. They’re even more vulnerable than the kids born into co$.. Anybody who is capable of doing something to stop co$ should be doing it, including Katie..

            • Captain Howdy

              And as soon as they get here their passports are taken away and they become indentured servants who don’t even have to be indoctrinated because they have nowhere to go. And most of them come from dictatorships to some degree, so it’s a completely vicious circle.

      • Sherbet

        I hope she’s got the first draft of a book written.

        • Observer

          *delurks*

          Oooo, I want the Ron series! Think of all the shoop materials … you can email me at bunkerobserver *at* yahoo.com. I’ll delete this when I hear from you. I doubt scilons are frequenting something this old, but I’d rather not take any chances.

          *relurks*

      • SandiCorrena

        That’s what I think; she going to study law right? Didn’t I read that; maybe she’ll pay it forward by helping other trapped spouses?

        • Trustmeonthis

          I saw that item a while back, but it’s just gossip with no named source. I seriously doubt that she wants to spend years in law school while being a single mom. Does she have an undergrad degree?
          I don’t think she’s done yet, though. It’ll be interesting to see what she does next. She hasn’t even been out for a year yet!

          • Sherbet

            I think the first thing Katie did, post-divorce, was drop the word “amazing” from her vocabulary. In interviews she was always gushing that Tom was amazing and marriage was amazing and Tom was an amazing husband, father, and actor, and traveling the world with Tom was – you guessed it – amazing. It all rang a little fake. No, a lot fake, as we found out.

            • Trustmeonthis

              I honestly think she was suckered. I know people say it was a fake relationship all along, but I think she fell for the lovebombing, and then found herself trapped.

            • Sherbet

              I agree, Trustme.

            • Poison Ivy

              Agreed.

            • Captain Howdy

              I’m guessing she’s substituted “amazed” for “amazing”, as in: “I’m amazed I stuck it out that long without losing my fucking mind”.

            • Sherbet

              Ha! Good one, Captain H.

            • Missionary Kid

              It was amazing that she got away as cleanly and quickly as she did.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Actually, I bet pulling that off took a helluva lot longer and much more cagey manipulation and subterfuge than any of us may ever be aware of.

            • Captain Howdy

              It was rumored that Katie and her father had been planning it for at least a half of year and that a wog friend switched Katie’s phone with a throw away pay as you go phone when the friend payed a visit. I guess Tom and staff were monitoring her phone calls.

            • Missionary Kid

              Just the phone calls? I’ll bet they were reporting every move she made. Now THAT’S acting.

            • Missionary Kid

              I agree. I’m willing to bet the machinations Katie was involved with would make a SMERSH spy proud.

              I think she got a lot of help once she reached out from family, friends, and other victims of Co$. If Nichole was involved, she (Nichole) had to be extra careful because I think she still hopes to reconnect with her kids.

              This may be gossip, but when Tom and Nichole were undergoing counseling, supposedly the $cions watching the kids were telling them what a terrible person Nichole was. That sounds typical of $cion tactics: divide, conquer, and hold hostage.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Actually those conversations with the kids took place when Marty Rathbun was auditing Tom.
              Tommy Davis was left with Connor and Bella so he could work on them about Nicole being an SP.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks for the correction. Has Davis surfaced again?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Naw. He is living in his Austin condo hiding behind Jessica and likely sucking his thumb and crying a lot.

      • AnonymousSP

        Betcha there are a lot of CelebAnons.

        • Trustmeonthis

          Anon should open its own Celebrity Center! Because all Anons are equally famous!

          • Missionary Kid

            A bon mot! 🙂

    • Sherbet

      Plum, I agree that the Headleys have guts. Gotta love that and gotta love them. But I still have to go with Katie, who was, back in June/July, The Church’s Worst Nightmare. Look what she did, and to whom! DM’s BFF, out there in public with embarrassing egg on his face, Mr. Scientology, divorced for the third time, and, this time, cos was seemingly at fault. Oh, she’s a big enemy of cos, all right.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Yah, she is.. I voted for Katie too, for the same reason.. But she does still irritate me.. She’s in a position to do more.. Remember when she joined that Catholic church in NYC? That simple act caused a stir.. She could be doing all kinds of things like that every day to keep co$ under the gun.. She could be hinting to the press that it’s been years since she’s seen her friend Shelley Miscavige.. The press would jump on that and make life a living hell for tiny fists.. Oh well, I can dream..

        • Captain Howdy

          I think right now Katie’s main goal is to get Suri reacclimated to the real world and to not give Tom and Bert any ammo for a new custody suit. Can you imagine if Katie got caught smoking pot or something else fairly innocuous to most sane people ?

          • sugarplumfairy

            Yah.. And I have a feeling she’s going to be a handful at some point..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I’m betting on Suri to be the first to write up a KR on Tom Cruise.

    • Captain Howdy

      I’d bet the farm that this isn’t the end of the battle for the mind of poor Suri. This was only round 1. Things will get ugly, real ugly..further down the road.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I agree with you there!

      • Sherbet

        If Connor and Isabella were to leave the church, that could be the death blow to the public face of scientology. But we know they won’t, because, not only are they indoctrinated into scn, Daddy has lots of money to buy lots of toys for them. Did someone say Connor has a new Lamborghini?

        • Let’s also remember that the treatment they receive is most likely not the same that regular members get.

      • sugarplumfairy

        yep..

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Katie’s lawyer has better savvy than Tom’s lawyer because his really works for Miscavige’s best interests, not the childs.

    • CraftLass

      I’m kind of curious about what the future will bring with Katie. It seems like there is a pattern with many who escape the clutches and that pattern includes at least a year or so of silence. Katie’s case is vastly different from most in many ways, but until more time has passed I can’t judge her for not doing more. Focusing on protecting Suri and carving out a new life for both of them has to come before risking more. Considering reports and pictures of a body double for Suri (I don’t usually trust tabloid reports, but it’s an interesting development if accurate), there is a definite sense of danger surrounding that poor little girl, perhaps immediate danger.

      It’s odd, if you think about it, Katie and Suri are two of the most-watched people in the world. If the CoS was to actually try something serious it would be the ultimate exposure of the evils. I also suspect that if she spoke out too much right now it wouldn’t be as well-taken by the public as her silence. Her silence makes people curious and look into the story for themselves, if she spoke up about what she knows it would be either a) just taken at face value and satisfy the curiosity; or b) erroneously dismissed as the complaints of someone “bitter” (to use one of KP’s favorite words). She’s in a tough position. Even with the quick divorce settlement she might be a bit stuck until she gets Suri past the age of trusting her parents implicitly, too. TC is still part of Suri’s life legally and I hate to think of what she hears when with him or his handlers. If Suri sees her mother talking out too much about Daddy’s friends at this precarious stage it could actually send her spiraling into their web. We don’t know the family dynamic, we can only speculate. The sad truth is that, unless TC actually lives 100% up to his precious religion’s own policies and disconnects, Suri is vulnerable.

      In the end, anything Katie says or does won’t have as big an effect as the waterfall of media generated about Scientology due to her defection and the manner in which she made it happen. She gave the media much bigger balls, the same people who clearly feared doing anything are now chasing down leads and getting stories out that would have languished not so long ago. Actions speak louder than words but I love the mountain of words generated by her actions.

      That said, the Headleys are heroes of mine, Katie is not. It’s such an apples-and-oranges vote here! Katie accidentally pushed at the dominoes while the Headleys are throwing all their weight into it.

  • BosonStark

    Katie is the ultimate SMERSH operative — probably funded by big pharma to bring down the cult.

    • Sherbet

      Any wife of TC, living in the Cruise compound, with TC and his sci-bot family, surrounded by sci-spies as household staff, has to have been on meds. Katie probably had to hide Paxil behind the toilet tank, but who could blame her! Go, big pharma!

    • Missionary Kid

      I read that supposedly Katie used a burn phone to talk to Nichole Kidman for advice, get help from her parents, and talk with her lawyer. None of the spies in the household even had a clue she was getting ready to leave. Ya think somebody spent some time in the hole over that?

      By leaving, she screwed Co$ big time. It seems that to buy her silence, they settled FAST.

      Now that’s a SMERSH operative.

      I still voted for the Headleys for getting out under more trying circumstances. Their example paved the way for many others.

      • Trustmeonthis

        Katie has dome way more damage just because of her high profile (and her ninja skillz in getting away). But the Headley’s will win, because emotional voting.

        • Poison Ivy

          Ditto. Plus the Headley’s are still at it. Katie, by necessity, has withdrawn herseld from SMERSHizing and enturbulating, at least for the time being.

          • FistOfXenu

            She’s a sleeper agent in deep cover. When the time is right….

        • Missionary Kid

          I voted for them because of the many people who have found their way out because the Headleys led the way.

          Katie is helping to keep people out of Co$ evil web. In many ways, her actions just highlighted Tom’s whacky ways.

          Tony is wicked smart (and a bit perverted) in the way he structured this. It sure got our attention and got us writing, didn’t it?

  • FistOfXenu

    I think I see something even nastier than the snitching part. They’re teaching you to look at people and label them as bad. They give you a list of qualities and they teach you to see them as something nasty about somebody you know. It looks like a small step but if they don’t teach new members to label 1st they can’t count on people snitching. So they teach you to do it once, then little by little they teach you the habit of looking at people you know and trying to recognize how how anti-social they are. Next thing you know they’re telling you about SPs and ethics and KRs for when somebody in the cult might be out-ethics.

    • dbloch7986

      And what a better time to teach someone to label people than when they are a child? Scientology teaches people labels so that they don’t have to think for themselves. They can use the labels that the cult teaches them to allow the cult to make decisions about people for them.

      • Captain Howdy

        “Give me a child for the first seven years, and you may do what you like with him afterwards.” — Jesuit Maxim

        I’d always thought it was a Mussolini quote.

        • Missionary Kid

          Was he educated by Jesuits?

          • Captain Howdy

            Good question.

            • Missionary Kid

              I looked it up. He was sent to a boarding school run by Salesian monks, who are followers of Don Bosco, but was kicked out for unruly behavior.

            • sugarplumfairy

              My 3 brothers went to a catholic high school named Salesianum.. None of them became dictators.. so far, anyway..

            • Missionary Kid

              Don Bosco was the founder of the order. Mussolini was bright, but unruly. My dad, as a missionary used to quote that Catholic saying. Didn’t work for me, and I spent far longer being raised as a fundamentalist Protestant. In fact, it was my inoculation and probably why I dislike $cientology so much – because of the dogma.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Don Bosco is a hero to catholic school children.. But sounds like we both turned out ok..

            • Missionary Kid

              I’m an Pastafarian, and very happy as one.

            • sugarplumfairy

              mmmmm.. sounds delicious..

            • Missionary Kid

              Oft times, it’s consumed with beer.

            • FLUNK101

              Beer from a “beer volcano?”
              What is it with these new religions and volcanos?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              College recruitment plan?

            • Missionary Kid

              Not restricted to college. Some of the Pastafarian sects even include a stripper pole.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I think you are just obsessing over my kinky boots!

            • Missionary Kid

              I am obsessing, but that’s another sect, the Linguinians, I believe.

            • Missionary Kid

              Ours is a different type. We erupt with joy. Ours doesn’t kill anyone, just beer and pasta.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              All of our Catholic priests (and even cardinals) came with beer. Those who indulged in home visits did so if there were shots of something or other available as well. Of course, they were all Irish except one. So we made him an honorary Irishman. Got many a discount on number of Hail Mary’s and Our Father’s on the Penance list/Penalty Box.

            • sugarplumfairy

              lol.. Nuns, too.. On holidays, my dad used to drop cases of beer off at the convent.. The nuns lovvvved my dad..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              You gave Nuns with Rulers cases of beer? That explains everything.

            • sugarplumfairy

              The rulers weren’t loaded..

            • sugarplumfairy

              The rulers weren’t loaded..

            • Captain Howdy

              “Don Bosco is a hero to catholic school children”

              Yeah, they even named a drink after him.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Now I want chocolate milk..

            • Missionary Kid
            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol.. When you wake up in the morning, never know what youre going to learn that day.. One of the many reasons I love this blog..

            • Trustmeonthis

              Many of us here are living proof that it doesn’t always work. Thank the FSM!

            • Poison Ivy

              That’s a relief.

            • sugarplumfairy

              They are kind of bossy, tho..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Delaware by chance?

            • sugarplumfairy

              Yep..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Small world. I too am originally from DuPontville.

            • sugarplumfairy

              DuPontville.. the good ol’ days..

            • Espiando

              Mussolini: educated by monks. Stalin: educated in a seminary. Hitler: thought about becoming a monk when he was in school. Miscavige: product of Study Tech. Connect the dots.

              PS: I plead immunity to Godwin’s on this one.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              You forget a Big Being: Tom Cruise, seminary.

            • Espiando

              I ignore the existence of Tom Cruise as much as possible. And who the heck is down-voting us in this sub-thread?

            • Missionary Kid

              Yeah, let us know why you’re voting this frivolous discussion down.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I understand your wisdomness. And, don’t know. Davey?

            • Espiando

              My wisdomness is to not grant the two midgets beingness. Do unto others as they actually do unto too many people out here.

            • Missionary Kid

              I’d never heard of Godwin’s Law. Thanks.

        • MissCandle

          “Train up a child in the way he should go. Even when he is old he will not depart from it.” Proverbs 22:6.

          • Missionary Kid

            The quote is probably a corollary.

      • DeElizabethan

        I think it is one of scio’s worst actions, that is in teaching children these things. At least an adult can take some responsibility for their own actions later, but a child thoroughly brain washed with this crap has a much bigger ruin to get over. Very sad and should be illegal.
        Kudos to you Derek and the Headleys for getting out and helping others see the abuses. <3

    • hogarthian

      That’s exactly the point I made yesterday. It’s an accurate and important one. The first rule of any totalitarian regime ‘divide and conquer’. Bastards.

  • dbloch7986

    Claire,

    I’m not sure if you read/comment down here but I just wanted to share. I was maybe 11 or so when I did the Ups and Downs in Life course, like you. I was mad at my parents for some reason on the day that I did the essay. I think it was because they sided with my sister in a fight or something. I remember writing that essay about them, saying they had all the antisocial characteristics. I never realized why until just now, but I was quickly pulled aside into a room and had someone talk to me one on one about it to see if I was lying or not. It makes more sense now that I look back on it.

    Not only is there a soft approach in the beginning but everyone shows you what appears to be genuine concern about your quality of life. This is before that concern turns into guilt tripping turns into control.

    I did another course it’s called “Personal Values & Integrity”. This is where you do your first “Overt & Withhold Write-Up”. That is basically a written confession. That’s the first time I had to confess to looking at pornography at age 13 and masturbating. To some old man that was supervising the course room. He told my parents and my dad used to harass me about it every time I was on the computer doing school work. It was mortifying. I was so embarrassed about it that it may have been more traumatic than my Sea Org experience.

    • Missionary Kid

      Confess, so we can hold it against you! I was in a relationship like that once. It put me on my guard, so I couldn’t be honest with that person.

    • Bob

      A great way to start on the bridge. With focus on the negative. And no trust.

      • hogarthian

        Bob, shut up man! Bridge Schmidge…. there’s no good way to start on the bridge, and I’d strongly advise you to start burning what remains of yours, today.

        • Bob

          I comment was directed at Derek. And I gather he understood what I meant. But since it is hard sometimes to convey sarcasm or irony in a comment I see you took me seriously. It’s not the first time my comments are taken literally. Comes with the territory.

          • Captain Howdy

            You’re doing just fine Bob. Sometimes folks get a little over zealous around here.

            • Bob

              Thanks CH. it is hard to hear snickers over the Internet. That’s why we have various icons and acronyms. 😉

            • hogarthian

              I like Bob. My concern for him sometimes bursts forth as aggression. It worries me that what he concludes, from dbloch’s post, is something along the lines of “That’s awful!, the bridge deserves better than that”. But I’m not too worried, he spends enough time here to know what the craic is.

            • hogarthian

              Or maybe he WAS just being sarcastic and ironic?

            • FistOfXenu

              Well hog, you COULD read Bob as saying he thinks the bridge deserves better but I don’t think that really fits with all the other stuff he’s posted here. But if you assume sarcasm and irony that fits in with other stuff he’s posted.

            • Captain Howdy

              Plus you all need to realize that Bob is still in CofS and he may be an important “source” for someone around here.

            • Captain Howdy

              That’s a bingo !

          • FistOfXenu

            Hi Bob. I wish Tony could put up a special page someplace with the last 4 or 5 conversations like this. Then you could just post the link and people could read the whole explanation. Anyways, I think your point was right. $cientarCONon doesn’t make anything better by teaching people to be paranoid about the people around them.

            • Bob

              FOX, that really makes sense. Since there are many regulars. It is important that more new people come to read Tonys blogs and also post. If he had some area that had continuity that would help new people to understand the spirit of the blog and commenters. I think you have to treat the subject with some humor as it is sometimes so outrageous and nasty it would way us all down if we could not poke fun at the perps. I paranoia was first there with Hubbard and is worse now. Some of his concerns were very real. It is all in how you handle the dark side of this planet.
              Starting anything new with built in fear doesn’t sound that successful no matter what it is.

      • dbloch7986

        That’s the way that Scientology controls people. It makes you afraid of everyone and everything so that you won’t look beyond the cozy walls of Scientology for fear of being sucked into the darkness and evil that awaits you.

        Actually it’s quite nice out here. I don’t have to live every waking moment in fear of Ethics. But then again I know that is something that Scientologists find pride in.

        • Bob

          Yes, we take great pride in being the most ethical and fear driven group on the planet. I can testify to that, Halelujah!

          I know before I had the ultimate WOGnition that maybe there was something truly wrong with the church and possibly not me, I was a seething mass of paranoic fears. And I do not exaggerate. But I did not see it at all.

          I can only imagine what an ordeal it was for you as a young person who was brought up from day one in that environment. I suspect that you wake up every morning now with the realization that you have another brand new day filled with friends, freedom and true positive possibilities.

    • hogarthian

      That’s fucking appalling. How to scar a child for life, in 3 easy steps. You poor sod! Still, I’ve watched some of your videos and, thankfully, you seem to be doing great!!

    • Espiando

      You know, until the Christian Church went bonkers concerning sex in the late 11th and early 12th Century, even they regarded a thirteen-year-old masturbating as something normal. Technically, it was a sin, but it received the most lax of penances (most of the era’s penitentials, written guides for priests on what penances to give particular sins, make this clear). Scientology should know that masturbation in an adolescent is caused by the thetan reacting to its changing environment by asserting its natural condition of adulthood and preparing the meat body to achieve its single purpose per Dianetics: survival, by passing on its genes. Shame on them.

      That being said, it wouldn’t be the whole sex obsession that would have had me leave had I decided to enter. It would have been the word clearing. I regard that as an attack on my intellect, which is something they would have gone after in TR0-Bullbait.

    • Ze Moo

      So much for the ‘sanctity of the confessional’. Just shows that the whole thing is about control.

  • The photo caption of the full courseroom reading “Ahh, the good old days” is telling. I remember during the 1970s the orgs in Los Angeles were bustling in the evenings with students who had day jobs and took Scientology courses & auditing in the evenings & weekends. They were crowded and had a lot of activity. When I’ve passed by orgs in recent years they look deserted. They may have noce signs & video displays, but I no one seems to be around except for the idle staff or Sea Org member at the reception desk.

    BTY, like Claire & Jenna, I also took Scientology courses at a young age – in my case a “children’s” version of the Communications course in 2nd Grade (around age 7) and the communications course in 6th Grade (about 11). I don’t have time to post about that now but maybe I will sometime.

    Here’s a shot of the NYC Times Square Org a few years ago. I guess there’s no one around that part of NYC 😉

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      All of those bags of soda cans prove just how many people were in the NYC Ideal Org for the IAS event. The Org was packed and we collected millions of dollars. New OTVIII Grant Cardone was the keynote speaker. Grant explained why you are either a criminal or a liar:

      http://youtu.be/6dhdEFnsxkI

      • Sherbet

        Actually, a homeless person collected all those cans to cash in, and some overzealous reg convinced the man to donate them to the cos.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Yes, well, the homeless really need to step up and help the Orgs.

          Scientology kept its exchange in by giving the homeless person a copy of The Way to Happiness. We also encourage to find scrap metal and copper to sell. We suggested utilizing unnecessary street lights, city buses, etc. as sources of scrap metal revenue for the Ideal Orgs.

          • Sherbet

            Good idea. We can all start the revenue drive by removing and scrapping unused metal and copper from every empty org or cos mission, all over the world. There must be hundreds of cos buildings that have gone unused for months, if not years. Maybe our Florida friends could see what’s scrap-worthy within the Stupor Powers building, which, as we all suspect, is likely to remain empty forever. Maybe even the drywall is saleable, and I know the church sure loves to boast about its drywall square footage. There’s a LOT. Cha-ching!

            • You start dipping into my drywall, you’re going to have a fight on your hands. I claim all the drywall when Flag Mecca goes toes up. I have a very special use in mind. I’m thinking of a cask of amontillado scenario, iykwim.

            • Sherbet

              Gotcha. Nix on the drywall. The oiliness table probably has better scrap value, anyway.

            • About that oiliness table, I wonder if you can heat that up to 375°. You could fry up a big batch of crawfish tails or something in there. Maybe with the enrober attachment, it’s donut-ready.

              Now, what are we supposed to do with that giant Festivus Pole? Aha! An Airing of Grievances is definitely called for.

      • Ze Moo

        Cardone looks like a user of anabolic steroids. The may help with muscle building, but they shrink your testicles.

  • richelieu jr

    Boiling a frog comes to mind, at least the old adage… Never tell the frog about Xenu or bank drafts and regging right away…

  • Ze Moo

    TonyO, your braketology is very nasty today. Blown For Good was the first anti-scieno book I read. Mark’s writing style was so impressive that I knew scamatolgy was evil. That said, Blown for Good did not achieve the mass effect and ‘downstat’ that Katie Holmes achieved. It has been 9 months since she split and TC’s reputation is now being tied to the minions of Lron more then ever. More people were educated about the Sea Arrgggghhh and disconnection and brainwashing then ever before. Katie wins just by the numbers.

    Claire Headleys stories about growing up in scamatology really shows how to warp and control children and adults. Its like Guardasil for the brain.

  • LongNeckGoose

    Hubbard got the basic idea of “suppressive persons” by reading “The Mask of Sanity” by Hervey Cleckley. Copies of the physical book are rare, but a pdf version can be found on line. A recent popular book on the same subject is “The Sociopath Next Door” by a psychologist named Martha Stout. I took the course many years ago and got the Hubbardized view but not surprisingly, I got a better picture by reading books by professionals with actual academic credentials.

    • Missionary Kid

      Wait a minute! The Hub had credentials: a PHD: Piled Higher and Deeper.

      • Bob

        You are incorrect. It is a real PHD in Indoctrinology. Where do you think he got the name for his church.
        To his dying day Hubbard was a master Indoctronologist. The irony is he got his degree at George Washington University. The home of the truth. The special curriculum is only given to those who show an aptitude to found a religion. Many great evangelists graduated with a P.H.D in Indoctinology. 🙂

        • Missionary Kid

          To pass his boards, he had to be examined by a proctologist…

          • Bob

            Yes, you are vey knowledgeable in the area. To graduate with honors you are required to wear a special insert to monitor your most intimate thoughts to make sure you are fully trained in the skills of Indoctrinology. The board is required to have a record of “the inside poop” for that full semester. Hubbard passed with flying colors. Mostly shades of brown.

            • Sherbet

              Bob, you are getting braver and braver (and funnier, too). I hope cos never checks the history on your computer.

            • Bob

              Thanks. Well, from what I have heard that is illegal. But that never stopped them before.

        • Poison Ivy

          I don’t think he got his degree. I think he dropped out.

      • FistOfXenu

        Funny, I thought it stood for “Phony Hubbardist Degree”. I must be slipping.

    • Trustmeonthis

      I’m reading that sociopath book right now. Depressing, but informative.

      • Poison Ivy

        Describes about every third person I’ve worked with in Hollywood.

        • Trustmeonthis

          Only one in three? 😉
          I totally thought it was going to turn out that one of the dodgy characters in your (terrific!) book was going to turn out to be in cahoots with another, but then it occurred to me that in LA lots of people are grifting one way or another… so why would they be connected?

          • Poison Ivy

            Ohh I can’t wait to hear the details of your theory (email me via Rodeo!)

    • Poison Ivy

      Marty has “The Sociopath Next Door” on the top of his reading list on his blog. Interesting fact, that.

  • Jefferson Hawkins

    That picture at the top of your post is a movie set, created inside the “castle” sound stage at Golden Era Studios. All of the people you see in the picture are Gold crew, acting as extras. They are not studying, they are posing. And there you have Scientology in a nutshell.

    I think the lowest pit in hell should be reserved for people who indoctrinate children into Scientology’s mind control mechanisms.

    But child or adult, one of the first things they indoctrinate you into is the idea of “SPs” and the shunning mechanism of disconnection. It’s a key part of their arsenal. They know you are going to run into criticism of Scientology so they have to convince you early on that anyone criticizing Scientology is a bad, evil person that you should avoid and never, never listen to. It’s the first step of mind control: information control. They convince you to avoid any information critical of Scientology “for your own good.” It’s a neat trick, especially while telling you at the same time that Scientology is all about “thinking for yourself.”

    • stillgrace

      Well said, Mr. Hawkins! Thank you for your inside information and explanations.

      • Roger Larsson

        Yup, who wants to see a cult making children paranoid?
        Awareness! In a movie? Actors directed by Hubbard? Gosh, it’s the truth!

        Scientologists are just actors in a play.
        Directors write the story actors act inside. When the movie is done actors moves on to
        new projects to be actors in.
        Directors are Gods; they are Dictators and actors not making it in their projects have to
        pick their packing and try their luck somewhere else.

        • stillgrace

          For some reason, your reply made me think of Mark Bunker’s Crazy Mary, formerly of Clearwater sidewalks. Her performances at bullbaiting always reminded me of an actor in a show.

          • I couldn’t agree with you more, Jeff, re children! Jenna’s book truly shows how low they can go! Her stories are amazing. Re the photo ops, I was in quite a few at Flag. One…when the “New OT 5 Rundowns” had just come out (1990’s) and peeps were actually (again) excited, filled with HOPE that SOMETHING would fix this OT 7 disaster train we were on. What did GOLD do? Handed us pieces of paper of what to say: “Oh my! The leather in the new couches smells so nice”. I remember being “in” and thinking: “What kind of moron came up with THIS idea? Argh!

            And my vote? Headleys ALL THE WAY!! Love you, Katie, but Marc and Claire have done WAY more damage in the time they’ve been “out”. I’m sooo happy you’re free, Katie, if you read this. Please write your own book—that would put one more HUGE nail in the coffin. 🙂

    • Bob

      I have seen this time and time again. It has ruined many lives when they first get into the cult. Very,very good point!

    • aquaclara

      Jeff, you win the quote of the week, month and year for this.
      “I think the lowest pit in hell should be reserved for people who indoctrinate children into Scientology’s mind control mechanisms.”
      My vote goes to Claire and Marc, each of whom, on their own, should win this bracket for all the excellent reasons posted here already today: the rock solid inner compass, the masterful escape, the lawsuit, their willingness to give up their kids’ toys to avoid engaging with Cavey (oops, Davey. It fits, though, so I’ll keep it.) The losses they have suffered from disconnection. That video made me cry. The book. The help they have given others trying to escape. And of course, for the happiness they have created in their life together. That’s the big win! Thank you for not giving up, Marc and Claire.

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Jeff, you worked for the Church so we in RTC never cease to be amazed when you ridge on all things Scientology, particularly our acting skills. Acting, or rather the telling of acceptable truths, as you know, is a key part of the Tech . For example, here is a New OTVIII weatherman telling an acceptable truth to wogs:

      http://memeblender.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/i-lied-guy-weather-foreast.png

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Why would a New OTVIII weatherman give an inaccurate weather forecast to millions of people in a crowded in a metropolitan area?

        The answer is simple: When the downpour occurs. Scientology body routers on the streets will route all of those publics into the Ideal Orgs for shelter.

        Then, as Claire is sharing, dutiful Scientologists will get them to buy a book or take an inexpensive Scientology introductory course.

        This is for the greatest good.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I think you are all wet!

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Wetness is good.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              True!

            • DeElizabethan

              BTN speaks Truthness!

            • Observer

              Not as good as oiliness.

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              The world never truly knew oiliness until Scientology appeared.

            • nessness

              ness was never ness enough until scientology “appeared”

    • dwayners13

      So basically, Scientology tries to shield you from their biggest threats . . . reality, truth, facts, logic, reason & common sense.

    • Puppetmama

      I thought the picture had to be staged. Too much red white and blue. Scientology: an American pastime. Gag.

    • Exterrier

      Yes, the Ups and Downs in Life Course was insidious. Very unsubtle at the end, because it had you write an essay about someone who suppressed you as a kid, which would often be a parent or sibling or someone close, and then on the last page or so, tied that in unexpectedly with the idea that anyone who disagreed with Scientology was also one of these Suppressives. I was on a business entry line at a Wise college when they had me do this course. When I saw that it was trying to separate me from my father or other relatives who may have made me feel bad at times, but were otherwise close to me despite their own flaws and insecurities or mistakes, I told them that it was not acceptible for me to categorize them in the manner Scientology wanted me to. So I asked for my money back from that course, and said I would do another one instead…..pointed out their “True for You” quote to back myself up. Geesh, they had to have special people from higher organizations come in and interview me twice before they finally gave in. I could tell that this was an important course for THEM, and not the simple self improvement course or business course that they had told me about. And once they had you seeing yourself as victim of these suppressive people, Ron suddenly asserts as one of the characteristics of a suppressive is the rejection or criticism of Scientology… as you pointed out. Not very subtle, but certainly insidious. Don’t ask me how I still, despite seeing this, dropped my “ten foot pole” and got involved with the Church a year or so later at Celebrity center….and almost in the Sea Org. It had to do with a divorce, depression, falling in love with a fanatic, and some sort of “wins”…… But all the cult signs are there right away for you, including the Ron photo on each wall, the chainsmoking staff, the constant applauding of Fearless Leader…… We are all susceptible at some point for some reason…there are a lot of smart and good, or formerly good people still in there.

      • Exterrier…I know this was to Jeff, but I’m just going to add my two cents, if you don’t mind. Amazing that despite your run in at WISE, you still got suckered “in” at Celeb Center. It’s true—they get people when they are either weak, or even quite successful but fearful of staying successful, and nail them. Thank GOODNESS you did NOT join the Sea Org!! A huge part of Cults is the group agreement. To anyone who doesn’t quite get HOW this could happen, please type in “mind control” in YouTube and listen up. There have been some excellent experiments done in the past, showing the scams and how they work on your mind. Try “The Stanford Experiment” for starters. And then the “Milligram Experiment”. Loved your description of the cult signs: LOL sooooooooooo true.

  • Sidney18511

    Off topic, but this is great. Check it out when you get a chance. Found it on the esmb.

    http://www.ranker.com/list/the-13-scariest-scientology-conspiracy-theories/robert-wabash?page=3

    • sugarplumfairy

      Heath ledger is a huge stretch.. There’s enough true crazy in co$.. No need to invent it..

      • Sidney18511

        Yeah, that one was over the edge. But all the 12 others are on the money.

      • Captain Howdy

        Ha Ha.. scientology killed the Joker !

        Everybody knows it was the Olsen twins.

    • stillgrace

      LOL. Now I know why conspiracy theorists get a negative rap. Too bad, because when there REALLY IS a CONSPIRACY, people tend to discount it, despite overwhelming, hard-core evidence to the contrary. Sheesh. Life in America.

  • 1subgenius

    It is not in Suri’s best interests for Katie to “do” anything. Even covertly.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Sounds reasonable and sensible and safe.. And the children from Thailand and South America at this very moment are prob in Clearwater enjoying their 15 minute lunch before their afternoon chores and their evening “classes..”

      • I hear and second your compassion for the children in the Sea Org but I think that we overestimate Katie’s influence if we think that she could have an impact on the practices of DM and company with respect to them or that she would not face unmitigated “Fair Game” if she crossed or brought embarrassment to TC.

        • sugarplumfairy

          I agree.. But on some level, i know for absolutely sure that Every tiny action Katie takes could have an impact.. She could make a well placed innocuous comment that could keep co$ in the spotlight for days.. Ok, my work is done here.. I’ll stop beating this horse..

          • Let’s also remember that every tiny action we do has an impact as well. We may not be Katie or Tony or the Tampa Bay Times but our witness against the abuses to people we know also helps to dry up potential resources.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Gerard (Gerard is the patron saint of mothers, btw)

              Nobody gives a hoot what I have to say about co$.. But if Katie, when asked by a reporter if she misses anything about scientology, were to mention that she misses a good friend she made there named Shelly and worries about her because she hasn’t been heard from in years, that would resonate..

              I get what you’re saying.. It’s not Katies’s job to do anything more than save herself and Suri.. but I wish she would.. nothing dangerous.. nothing heroic.. just something..

            • hogarthian

              Yup, anything would be good!

            • Thanks for the nod to my patron. If you’re familiar with his biography you know that Gerard was a Redemptorist brother in Southern Italy.In the great scheme of things he was pretty insignificant. His presence to people in need made him a saint. In the same way, your presence on this site validating and supporting people like Marc and Claire Headley gives them the strength and knowledge to carry on in the face of DM’s Office of Special Affairs and the rest of Scientology.

              I also wouldn’t say that Katie Holmes doesn’t have any obligation beyond saving herself and Suri, but as your post points out when it comes to Scientology and it’s “Fair Game” policy it’s hard to name an action that she could undertake that isn’t dangerous or heroic.

          • Captain Howdy

            Tough crowd today, eh ?

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol.. I hate it when I’m confronted by good sense and wisdom..

            • Captain Howdy

              Yea, it completely throws off my timing.

            • sugarplumfairy

              It’s been my observation that nothing throws off your timing..

          • Sherbet

            Yeah, I give up, too, SPF. I was interpreting “nemesis” as a “big ol’ damaging annoyance that gave cos a black eye from which it won’t recover.” The voting masses’ interpretation is “person(s) who are working the hardest to topple the cult.”

            Either way, cult gets obliterated, and I’m all for that.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Yep..

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Lol, Sugar, I was saying exactly the same thing you are when the news first hit. Then I watched daily the major media anchors chatting about, hey, what’s an RPF or SP and each day I cheered. Now I look back and realize Katie had to spend a long time and network with intelligent professionals, and plan and replan and organize and replan some more to pull off what she did. So let’s just say we all agree that in her spare time between PTA meetings and Sunday mass and managing new business and careers and decorating new homes, family picnics, etc., she might be planning and Not letting anyone know because, well, stealth sure worked mighty fine so far.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Very good point, THDNE.. very good point..

            • Ze Moo

              Who, in the middle of the night, does Miscavige fear the most? Katie Holmes, she could bring unwanted attention to any aspect of scamatology by just using the correct words. Did she suffer like the Headleys? No, but it became oblivious that TC was a dick and a 3 time loser.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              good imagery, Ze Moo! Miscavige sweating and bolting upright in the middle of the night (or morning) visited by Ghosts of Ex Wives Past. bwahahaha Every night is Xmas Eve at DM’s chain-rattling castle. I like this a lot. Is that bad?

            • Ze Moo

              Your glee at COBs sleepless night sweats is simply suppressive. And appropriate karma. God, I spend too much time at ot8iiiisg8……….

              I think Miscavige really fears Tom Cruise deciding that his career would do much better if he publicly quit a la Paul Haggis. That would make the littlest wicked witch of the west explode and cause a coup in the ranks of the faithful. It would be so much fun to watch…..

            • Missionary Kid

              5 cents. The psychiatrist is in. “Who, in the middle of the night, does Miscavige fear the most?”:

              Himself.

            • Ze Moo

              The sociopath fears being found out (of anything) the most. Miscavige probably fears being ‘betrayed’ by his ‘friends’ and yes men the most. Hitler, with the Russians 3 blocks away, didn’t obsess on his mistakes. He obsessed on how the german people let him down. Transference is too common among sociopaths. Not quite worth 5 cents, maybe 2……

            • Ze Moo

              The sociopath fears being found out (of anything) the most. Miscavige probably fears being ‘betrayed’ by his ‘friends’ and yes men the most. Hitler, with the Russians 3 blocks away, didn’t obsess on his mistakes. He obsessed on how the german people let him down. Transference is too common among sociopaths. Not quite worth 5 cents, maybe 2……

            • Missionary Kid

              Your two cents worth is always welcome.

    • Captain Howdy

      Precisely. And who knows what Katie may have revealed in an auditing session. Perhaps that she and Michelle Williams had a torrid affair going on when making “Dawson’s Creek” ? One can only imagine.

      • Poison Ivy

        “Perhaps that she and Michelle Williams had a torrid affair going on when making “Dawson’s Creek” ? One can only imagine.” And I’m sure you do, Captain! 😉

      • stillgrace

        LOL!!! I don’t think anyone is imagining that, except maybe you, wink wink, Captain!

        Edit: OOPS, didn’t see your reply, PI. It showed up on my screen after I refreshed. We thought alike on that one!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Lol, I was just about to go there too….and I saw PI’s response.

      • hogarthian

        “Perhaps that she and Michelle Williams had a torrid affair going on when making “Dawson’s Creek” ?” … well I certainly hope not, two lovely girls like that? whatever next?! 😉

  • DeElizabethan

    Claire, I certainly can relate to your early training even though I was an adult. I too, right from the start didn’t like the hip, hips for LWrong each day as it was bizarre, to say the least. I never got with the program in that respect, but like a good sheep, or monkey, do as others to fit in. Thanks for your interesting stories.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Saw you in the Darth Vader/Hubbard b’day after party at Flag video, lookin’ good and suppressive waving Jenna Miscavige Hill’s book in front of the party goers.

      It was sad to see some of the women dragging their kids and infants in to the evil hole #12 known as Flag. All that seems left besides the crims and psychos are the 2nd and 3rd gen family lines. I see some of their Facebook sentiments and cringe how utterly heartless and mindless and cruel some of these young adults have turned out as a scientology product. The video reminds me that all that are left are these Wannabe Famous Stars of The Rich and Clueless, Scientology Style, the Housewives of Flag in the VIP Section, the I know every inch Wives Club, all circling the drain, dragging their children in tow.

      What I am wondering is what is in it for the teenagers and 20 somethings now? Their parents are the whales who can buy off the Sea Org recruit wolves. I don’t believe narcissim is contagious, is it? The arrogance on the kids’ facebook pages is appalling as well as their instant Snap judgments of unfriending and disconnecting on a whim, rumor or just a bad day. It’s like the fanatic element has now reached a 3rd round of reduction, you know in cooking onions or veggies, you keep adding a little liquid, simmering, reducing it down to an entirely new form and new state of isness. Are these the fanatics that will inherit the inevitable downfall or will they be the ones to unwittingly bring it about?

      Do you have current insight or knowledge of what’s happening in last episodes of The Lost Family?
      http://youtu.be/on43DPUHbck

      (also, good one AMAX, on this pic this weekend in front of the Still Not Open Super Powah building.
      [IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/2ex35ag.jpg[/IMG]

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Oh god. On the opposite spectrum of wealthy scientology Country Club whale mothers and their Unfriendly pods flaunting their Rodeo Drive rags and bags, just finished reading this story from Carol Nyburg Vedder who came Out after 26 years at Flag as a major staff figure and mother of 2. It is very detailed about the life inside those walls and what went on in her mind year by year, step by step into an insane world, and what Lawrence Wright adequately but not quite succinctly points out as prison of one’s own belief. Carol did Not believe in what was happening to her and her family and her friends and associates, and yet … she carried on.

        Jeez, Homeland Security. What more does it take to amend your own rules and guidelines? This is a story of Not an immigrant from a third world country, but an American woman who was so thoroughly tortured via sleep and nutritional deprivation and every method known to mind control manipulators who got to a point that she was only mildly and momentarily distracted when her children were suddenly gone, then her husband, her mother left alone in dire straights, and Carol lived the life of an abused woman in extreme, a slave enraptured in a web of terror spooned out in daily dripping doses. What is your definition of Human Trafficking anyway?

        Would love to see a Bunker interview on this one, particuarly zeroing in on the 21st Century Scientology Family. Wow.

        http://www.scientology-cult.com/carol-nyburg-vedder-is-out.html
        “My 26 years in the Sea Org”

        • DeElizabethan

          Wow, Carol Vedder really had a story to tell with so much insight, and did it so well. I was fascinated by it and couldn’t stop reading. Wow and nice to hear the success of her being out!

      • DeElizabethan

        Since I was away from the scene for so many years and only put in a year awhile back Ididn’t get but some glimpses. I have no idea or knowledge about the Family. I like your knowing how all the clubs work and that was interesting and think you got a good grasp, better than I would and thanks for that insight.

        Back when, it was eye opening after being invited at first to sit up in the front row by a new friend, they certainly get good pictures of you.Only the whales sit up front and the rows are marked by the $$$ signs, actually the prestige signs, unless a guest, and those seats are saved for them.

        I eventually preferred sitting in the back so I could watch all goings on, plus a video screen gave good view. Camera’s are scanning the audience at all times and really have to look to see the cameras. I spent one whole event watching them move around, fascinating.
        Saw several young children and teens and they looked at Jenna’s book, more than average adults. So a plus I guess. More people looked at the book or heard the name mentioned and it was better than any sign at this event. Class act, fancy cars and evening gowns, actually not that many whales, thanks to Xander.

        Amax is such a cool lady and that huge sign is fantastic. Those like myself don’t hide identities because they know who we are, but the masks are fun and used for lutz.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Tks. Wow, they actually have $$ rows? hahahaha. How crass. And cameras scanning would give me the creeps. That is interesting that the younger ones still have the nerve to look at a book! But hey, you are a friendly looking SP after all. And, the whales were given a special side door entrance or something because Xander protesting at the main entrance? I’ll bet they are told some PR reason “You have your own Special entrance because you are so Special” heh

          • DeElizabethan

            I also added nicely that “it’s OK to look” to people. But most hadn’t seen this before and wondered what book we held up and looked at it.
            The main entrance was the only one where the whales could get valet parking. Otherwise we didn’t cover the back where most SO members would go in from Oak Cove. Many others parked across the street and they were taken in at the garage but we could go there and show book.

  • Sherbet

    I had decided to take a break from scn books, since reading them is a mixed experience: loving the candor, but discouraged that so many abuses have remained hidden so long and are still going on. These books (and even this blog) can be somewhat depressing. But I’ve gone back on my resolution, and I’ve got to read the Headleys’ book now. So many of you have recommended it, and Marc and Claire seem so articulate and warm, I feel like I know them already.

    • Trustmeonthis

      Me, too (have to take breaks from all this depressing entheta) and I am falling behind with all the new books coming out! BFG is really good. You will enjoy it. It has a happy ending. 😉

    • The Dakini

      You’ll love it. It’s a wonderful read and Marc is a fantastic storyteller. And it has a happy ending!

  • Sherbet

    .

    • hogarthian

      Beautifully put.

      • Sherbet

        That’s all she wrote.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Bravo Sherbet! Could not have said it better myself!

      • Sherbet

        I have a way with punctuation.

  • Espiando

    How Vapid Katie managed to beat the man who punched the hole below the waterline of the SS Narconon, David Love, in the first round is 1) a travesty and 2) a testament to the sad celebrity obsession in our society. Now we have the chance to collectively do our conditions to amend for this. This double dose of Claire today shows where your vote needs to go. Do it.

    • sugarplumfairy

      She’s not vapid.. jenna elfman is vapid..

      • BuryTheNuts2

        No, Katie is not vapid!
        Although she was acting vacuous during the entire beginning years of her “romance” with the “big being”. Or maybe her minder Jessica Rodriguez was just auditing her into a mind numbing “amazing” stupor.

        Jenna Elfman doesn’t deserve description by any respectable “V” words. (even venal, although I am tempted)

        • hogarthian

          She’s far from vapid. She just spent a while being hypnotised….. snake from The Jungle Book styleeee “trusssssttt in mmeeeeee”.

        • sugarplumfairy

          She was in love.. Love makes women stupid and men smart.. I learned that on Seinfeld..

      • Espiando

        No, Katie is vapid. Elfman is stupid. There’s a difference.

        • Captain Howdy

          She wasn’t too vapid to get away from Vapidman and Vapidland.

          • Espiando

            Only because her daddy and her lawyers got her out.

            • stillgrace

              You’re not giving Katie the credit she’s due. I escaped from someone in a similar surprise fashion years ago. I had lawyers and good friends, and that helped, but ultimately it was my “mission impossible”. I can’t think of anything I’ve ever accomplished that was more difficult.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I’m so glad you’re ok, stillgrace..

            • stillgrace

              Thank you. sugarplumfairy. No matter how bad things get right now, I always feel better, remembering that I am free.

  • Mrs Libnish

    I admire the Headley’s to no end, loved the book and can’t wait for Claire to continue her blog. That being said, I had to choose Katie. The way that she split the sheets had me thinking to myself…”self, what is with this Scientology thing that made Katie leave Tom like a physically abused spouse? Two divorce lawyers, an apartment in New York and throw away phones….WHAT is going on?” I’ve barely come up for air since….

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Just in case Katie is lurking on a coffee break: It’s not lookin’ good on the vote count so far. How about a leak, just a little bitty morsel for the win?

    • Captain Howdy

      I will provide a FREE link to the now infamous Holmes/Williams SEX tape to anyone, if they vote for Katie (and can prove it)

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Nah, it looks like its going to go with the American Idol kind of sympathy and/or popular vote. Hey, if I was voting in that vein, I’d be cheering for Claire all day long and show Katie my dust.

        • Captain Howdy

          I totally understand why people are voting for Marc and Claire, but like you said, according to the rules Tony laid down, it’s not suppose to be based on who your “favorite’ is.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            But my husband says Now I understand the whole bracketology passion of sports which I’ve never played. doh. I used to say, “but hon, it’s just a Game”. Always learning.

  • ParticleMom

    It always amuses me when Tony feels compelled to note that there was no Internet in the early 80s. Then it makes me feel old.

  • Sunny Sands

    test

  • GrandEclectus

    I’m disgusted and repulsed by this. I thought they wouldn’t start the Hubbard worship so soon.
    If I were just taking these courses, I’d run ay this point, maybe demand a refund.
    Well, I’m on thr Bridge …straight up…blah!