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Blogging Dianetics, Part 5: Your Mind is a 1950s Computer

DianeticsStandardWelcome to our ongoing project, where we blog a 1950 first edition of Scientology’s bible, Dianetics, with the help of ex-Scientologist, Bay Area lawyer, blogger, and author Vance Woodward. Go here for the first post in the series.

We’re now entering Book Two, which promises to take us into the nuts and bolts of dianetic theory. And it begins with Hubbard describing to us how the human mind works — that it has three divisions, and in this first chapter he is going to explain how the analytical mind works.

The analytical mind, he explains, is the “I”. It’s the awareness we have as a self. When we’re conscious and thinking, it’s our analytical mind that is helping us make decisions.

And remarkably, the analytical mind works just like an error-free computer, analyzing data stored in massive data banks, never making a mistake.

Gosh, that’s a keen idea, and we figure it must have sounded downright spiffy in 1950, when this book came out.

After briefly noting that he’s just developing an analogy (you know, musing again), Hubbard makes more fabulous claims of certainty:

The action of the analytical mind — or analyzer — is everything anyone could want from the best computer available. It can and does all the tricks of a computer. And over and above that, it directs the building of computers. And it is as thoroughly right as any computer ever was. The analytical mind is not just a good computer, it is a perfect computer. It never makes a mistake. It cannot err in any way so long as a human being is reasonably intact (unless something has carried away a piece of his mental equipment).

In 1950, when this book came out, how many readers had any idea what “all the tricks of a computer” were? But Hubbard goes even further. Not only does he imagine some super pentium chip in your head flawlessly carrying out instructions, but the human mind also has giant “memory banks” which faithfully record every sensation and thought with perfect fidelity.

As earlier, Hubbard is asserting — without any evidence to back it up — that inside of each of us is some superhuman entity (which now resembles a computer) that has been obscured because of our “aberrations.”

But Vance, we have to ask, do Scientologists today understand that L. Ron Hubbard based the ideas in this book on the barest understanding of computing as it existed in 1950? And that his simplified calculation — that the unaberrated human mind is “error-free” and works perfectly until those darn aberrations mess things up, is once again a supposition that he provides no evidence to back up and no way for an independent researcher to double check?

VANCE: It’s tough to say what Scientologists think because discussion and speculation are prohibited in Scientology. Any discussion of Scientology risks polluting a Scientologist’s mind with “false data” and “out-tech.” And so discussions of what people think about “the tech” are nonexistent. As a Scientologist, the information comes from LRH’s lips and fingers to your ears and eyeballs. To know what Scientologists think, you have to pick up clues from periodic oblique comments. The impression I always got is that most Scientologists think that the particulars are unimportant. In other words, Scientologists are perfectly willing to accept that the material is made from 100 percent (error-free) brain farts. The only question that matters is, Does it work? Just don’t answer that question negatively, not if you want to stay out of Ethics trouble.

Now, if you actually managed to verbally corner a Scientologist, I think the average one would concede that the error-free-computer analogy is a slight exaggeration because, after all, LRH says that “absolutes are unobtainable.” (And as with any cult ideology, there’s always an out, many outs.) Scientologists don’t give a hoot whether any establishment-qualified clinical trials had ever been done. Even to ask about something like that would be a near blasphemy insofar as it would reflect some skepticism about the Man’s claims. In one of his early lectures, LRH claims that he cleared an unspecified number of people. Unfortunately, their case histories got lost (no explanation is given). Oopsy-daisy. And so, those original Clears all got lost from the scientific record. Bummer. But it proves that LRH did clear people. Right?

So far as Scientologists are concerned, if LRH says that it works, then it works. Period. So what if he didn’t write down any research notes? The stuff works. That’s what’s important. Oh? It doesn’t work? Who says? Who got to you? Who’s been talking to you? Where’d you get that false data from? You better keep you eye on that guy. He’s not looking out for your best interests. Scientology WORKS!

THE BUNKER: We’ll have to take your word on that.

Next week — Blogging Dianetics, Part 6: Reactive Mind Games



On Wednesday, we told you that Atlanta’s media is circling the sinking Scientology drug rehab facility in that city like sharks, and that WSB radio’s Pete Combs had reported the latest — that a new state investigation into fraudulent insurance charges was being added to the list of Narconon Georgia’s many woes.

Yesterday, WSB-TV’s Jodie Fleischer dug into the details of the new allegations, and found that the state’s probe will be a criminal investigation.

No word yet on which individual may face criminal charges, if any, but with only days before a wrongful death and civil racketeering trial begins on February 11, Scientology’s problems seem to be metastasizing.

TOMORROW — We start a new feature with none other than A Piece of Blue Sky author Jon Atack!


Posted by Tony Ortega on February 1, 2013 at 07:00


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  • mook

    Misscavige’s #1 ass kisser Grant Cardone still proving that he’s an asshole. If his donating all of his $$ to the cult, how could he have bought a $50 million property (unless Misscavige bought it for him). Marc Headley also reveals that Mr. Cardone might have a Viagra addiction

    • BuryTheNuts2


      That video was beyond assinine!
      They need to make MOAR!!!

      Scientologist’s are the best advertisement for Chanology there is!

    • monkeyknickers

      This is the awesomest thing I have ever seen. No one delivers as much ass-clenching cringe as Scientology. I’m gonna go watch it again!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I have to go back and keep watching it too.
        That is some funny stuff.
        What Dorks!

  • Video on Narconon investigation is awesome! Mother pays NN $15, then they bill the insurance co. $166K, including $58K for doctor visits. Patient never saw a doctor! Apartment costs each patient $1600 per month, four to an apartment, that’s $6,400 a month per apartment! The Scientologists who owned that apartment complex were making a killing. Also great how the investigative reporter notified the state, and they opened a fraud case. Possible jail term 2-10 yrs if they can pin down who’s responsible (hmmm, like who just got fired :-).

    • mirele

      Wow $6,400/apartment…that’s better than shoving six college students into a 3 bed apartment at Breed’em Young University.

    • jensting

      yeah, but could Mary Rieser really have shredded all those documents on her own? In that many states?

    • I wonder if that $6,400 a month covered the availble party drugs or did you have to BYOB?

      • Poison Ivy

        Wouldn’t be surprised if the local dealers were on retainer.

    • John P.

      It sounds like having a Scientologist own the apartment building they use is a nifty scam — undoubtedly, the cult member who owns the property sends most of the exorbitant rent money back to the cult as a “donation” and it does not show up on the IRS Form 990 that the Narconon office has to file with the government. I had looked at the 990s for a couple Narconons a few months ago and it didn’t look like they were forwarding that much money for the cult (perhaps 10% of revenue if I recall correctly, plus another 10% to 15% going to recruiters. But if half the $30k goes to the landlord who in turn passes most of that to the cult, then the cult is getting a lot more money per capita than I had previously thought. Note, however, that this mechanism only works when the cult doesn’t have its own on-site residential facilities (which it does at Arrowhead OK, Nevada, Watsonville CA and others).

      • Ze Moo

        You can be sure the Delgado’s, got their cut before it was sent on to Scieno central. Apparently ownership and control of this property was the big deal in the divorce of Dan and Maria Delgado, the owners of the apartment complex. Income from this end of scam was important to the ‘ideal org’ they were trying to build. The descriptions of the Delgados make me think of the bad tv ads and websites extolling the ‘cash flow business’. Someone besides the tenants was getting screwed by the Delgados.

        I don’t understand how NarCONon got away with billing for a doctors services without using the doctors provider number? The doctor would have received a statement re their services and billings each month. They would have known they weren’t getting paid for these services. The only way they could have gotten away with this is by having their own provider number and agreement with the health insurance company. A well placed employee in the insurance company may have been a conspirator in this scam. Either the doctors were getting a kick back under the table (Hello, IRS??) or the fraud has a lot of co-conspirators.

        • I think you’re onto something with the “well placed employee” in the insurance company. That is, after all, the historical pattern Co$ has used ever since the Snow White days.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Think of the tax money all their tax-exempt scams have screwed this country out of.. We need to hit them where they live–

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Once those bank records are opened to investigators, there are probably many more scams that will be found. Narconon seems to be completely ignorant of the law. It submitted insurance bills, apparently without the doctors’ knowledge, for exams never took place. It kept money that should have been reimbursed to patients for payments covered by insurance. It submitted bills for hospitalization when it wasn’t licensed for residential care. I won’t be surprised to learn that Narconon paid referral fees for patient referrals from medical centers or doctors who had a financial interest in Narconon. (Those kinds of payments are called ” kickbacks” and they are legal.)

        With the intense pressure from Miscavige to make money, these kinds of scams are inevitable.

      • monkeyknickers

        Maybe it’s the on-site residential Narcon-orgs that came up with the whole insurance scam protocol, then. I can’t imagine that it went unnoticed at Narconon Int that Atlanta was pulling in such a shitload of money based on the off site housing scam. They’d have been had to catch up stat-wise SOMEhow.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      And Narconon billed for “partial hospitalization,” when it wasn’t licensed for residential treatment, and they never informed the insurance company that the mother had paid a “copayment” of $15k. What bothers me in addition to the billing fraud is under the law, the insurance company is required to send notices of payments and denials to the insured. They also would have sent a reimbursement check to her. The mother seems never to have gotten any check or notices. I wonder if Narconon forged her signature to submit a request that the check and notices be sent somewhere other than to her?

      • richelieu jr

        Sorry, that was for “Party Hospitalization’ as in, DM parties (and so do all the counselors) while your kid gets hospitalized.. It’s a standard clause. Nothing to worry about.. Sign here, Mrs…

    • richelieu jr

      Do you have any idea how much heroin 4 people in a cheap apartment can go through in a month? Just supplying them must have cost… oh…. did I say ‘heroin’? I meant.. niacin…

      Hey look- I just sweated out red White and Blue! I’m Clean! Clear! And Free at last! (don’t look at our books! They’re not done cooking yet!)

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I love it when you have had caffeine!

        • richelieu jr

          Caffeine… yeah, that’s it!

        • richelieu jr

          Actually, I will come clean–

          I am a new dad, for about 12 hours now…

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Awesome, congratulations!

            • richelieu jr

              a bit tired an ambivalent at the moment, but he is beautiful!

          • Fantastic news, congratulations!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Criminal investigations, Jon Atack, and Jenna Miscavige Hill just around the corner.

    Flapuary 2013 has begun!

    • LOL! At this rate we’re going to have to rename every month.

      • stillgrace

        How about ZAPril for April? I like Smarch or Smarsh for March.

        • Oooh. I like that. MAYngle for May?

          KKA for June. Katie Kicked Ass. Debbie Cook’s email may have started 2012 off right, but Katie Holmes ninja divorce moves are what started the media feeding frenzy and their decreased fear in publishing anything negative about the cult.

    • BLAMuary – you start my year off right!
      FLAPuary – you are my valentine!


      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        I’m stumped on March, though, A. I just know you can do it!

        • Ciru

          Smerch in honour of the Orders of the Day.

        • How about SMARSH in honor of LRH’s arch enemy, SMERSH?

        • scnethics

          How about “OUCH”, since it’s going to be painful. Or “Zorch”, as in “my zorch hurts” (this is from scn course), or “Beware the Ides of Zorch, Slappy.”

          • BuryTheNuts2


        • N. Graham

          Perp March?

  • jensting

    Criminal charges are the way to go. The authorities in Georgia really should get acquainted with Arnaud Palisson’s work. Also, they should start asking themselves questions about where the money went…

    Just because the IRS is happy to sponsor David “he is NOT insane!” Miscavige’s lavish lifestyle with taxpayers’ money, doesn’t mean that questions should not be asked about what becomes of the proceeds of fraud.

    • Still_On_Your_Side

      Insurance fraud investigators always follow the money trail.

    • Ze Moo

      NarCONon paid at least 10% of the gross receipts to ABLE and therefore central CO$. Davey had better get his check book out, he’ll be writing a refund soon. Probably refunds to every insurance company that every paid a bill to NarCONon.

      As Mitt Romney said, ‘corporations are people too’. Georgia can find that NarCONon of Georgia is a criminal enterprise and shut it down. But only if the state Department of Health doesn’t get there first. You can bet the shredders are working overtime to cover up the Sterling ‘consultant’ who recommended the double billing scam.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Enron is a testament that shredders get caught, and the lawyers get sanctioned, if not disbarred. Narconon GA has been the subject of a state legal investigation. Its lawyers were required to tell it to preserve evidence. Spoliation of evidence is a serious offense. Good bye Kendrick Moxon?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Who’s the Sterling consultant?

    • Valhalkarie

      I’m starting to think our government officials that could stop this are getting rich off of scientology ias,like mabe the ias is a secret account for gov. Officials. There is no explination why our gov,would allow this for one more day,jim jones had a few family members complain there Fam was not talking to them,they have that plus soooo much more in complaints on scientology. Something stinks

  • Observer

    “The action of the analytical mind — or analyzer — is everything anyone could want from the best computer available.”

    So then LRH’s mind had a tiny fraction of the processing power of the simplest computerized device we now have and his programming was on punch cards. Explains a lot, actually.

  • SFFrog

    What I find interesting is that early science fiction’s view of how computers worked turned out to be exactly how the human mind works. How prescient is that?

    • Computers are a whole track dramatization of the reactive mind. All the things that we build our societies with are just dramatizations of our R6 banks, and nothing more. Why do you think they wore Fedora hats on Marcab, and Xenu flew us all here in DC-8 airplanes?

      OK, now you are cogniting. You’re welcome. I can feel everyone’s long fall blow downs from here.


      • SFFrog


      • BuryTheNuts2

        Did we collectively break the e-meter?

      • Captain Howdy

        LOL what happened ? Did Frog’s comment restimulate your bank ?

      • Poison Ivy

        What’s a long-fall blow down? That’s a new one for me.

        • Ziontologist

          “What’s a long-fall blow down?”
          The needle on the e-meter is “falling”, or going down, supposedly because you are releasing “charge” from your mind. Think “sense of relief”.
          “Cogniting” is having a realization, and you’re needle is floating! The needle floats back and forth across the dial. The “floating needle”, or “F/N” indicates that you are released from your negative emotions, or reactive mind. If this realization is accompanied by a profound sense of relief, that could account for a long fall blow down in the process.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Ivy, it sounds to me like it’s the same thing that happens after you get a bad haircut at your salon.. You’re checking it out in the mirror, not quite sure what the problem is, but knowing something just ain’t right, and your errant stylist is calling in reinforcements to tell you how perfect the cut is and how absolutely smashing you look.. In other words, blowing smoke up your new ‘do..

        • It’s when the needle on the emeter falls to the right all the way to the edge, and in order to get the needle back into the center of the dial, you have to move the tone arm down. It sometimes corresponds to when the preclear is having a big realization about something.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Hubbard’s theory on Consciousness! WOW.

    Last week when I was at lunch with Steven Pinker and Daniel Dennett, those two crazy kids were arguing about every little nuance of the mind and how she works.
    Why, at one point…I thought they were going to get into a fist fight over linguistic cognition’s as related to music.

    I now realize that if LRH had been there, he could have sorted them both out and got them on the right path.

    All they really needed was Dianetics!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I like this quote by Danny boy (remembering the Sea Org symbol is a Sea Horse).

      “The juvenile sea squirt wanders through the sea searching for a
      suitable rock or hunk of coral to cling to and make its home for life.
      For this task, it has a rudimentary nervous system. When it finds its
      spot and takes root, it doesn’t need its brain anymore, so it eats it!
      It’s rather like getting tenure.”

      • BuryTheNuts2

        It’s rather like getting tenure.

        ^^^ YOU ARE MY QUEEN!

      • Captain Howdy

        Is that the genuine version of OT VIII by any chance ?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Dennett’s quote certainly works nicely for that doesn’t it.

      • sugarplumfairy

        Thanks for that.. My new insult for obnoxious coworkers will be sea squirt.. They’ll never know what hit ’em..

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Oh, you do that too?

    • Ziontologist

      My thoughts exactly, BTN.

      “The analytical mind, he explains is the “I”. It’s the awareness we have as a self. ”

      So ,when I’m not being analytical, there is no self? I go unconscious?

      Sorry I missed that lunch date with Pinker and Dennett. Those guys are thinkers who like to go deep, but be careful … all they really want to do is bury their nuts!!!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Hey, if its true for me…right?

        And Pinker might have a shot!

        • Ziontologist

          Watch out for that Pinker. My sister was supposed to meet him for coffee, but not only did he not show, he sent Noam Chomsky as a replacement!

          • sugarplumfairy

            Ok, who are you and what have you done with the real ziontologist???

            • Ziontologist


            • sugarplumfairy

              Kudos on the Noam Chomsky comment.. That was pretty darn funny..

    • John P.

      Stephen Pinker has garnered many awards for his original research. But he is honored for another accomplishment: he was the first member nominated by a panel of seven distinguished members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science to the The Luxuriant Flowing Hair Club for Scientists, an offshoot of the spoof scientific journal “The Annals of Improbable Research”. The activities of the LFHCfS can be followed at: So that must have been a tonsorially fascinating lunch, as well as a scientifically cogitating one.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        “a tonsorially fascinating lunch” hehe

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Well before I go look at this link…..DAVID CHALMERS had Better be there or I am sending them a nasty letter!

        And lunch was STIMULATING…. Just wait till you see who I can “postulate” for dinner!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Thank you…
          Chalmer’s is there…..but without a picture….damn it.

  • California

    February is starting off as great as January ended! Ya-Hoo!

    Go Niners!

    • Poison Ivy

      California, is there a comprehensive list of Narconon/Scientology related rehabs – since the new strategy is to call their centers something else? This should be sent to all major insurance carriers.

      • California

        Dear Ivy:
        I have a list of the Narconons in various states and will post it again today.

        The morphing of names is a challenge and I will to put the “new” names with the “old” names.

        I had published a previous list here at the Underground Bunker a few weeks ago…. and I do not think it has changed drastically…

        What a 2013 we are having!

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        Wouldn’t they have to sign new contracts with them and wouldn’t the insurance carriers recognize the address and state license numbers? I think changing their name is to scam the public, the insurance carriers are only just waking up the scam. Every time a cult goes nuts for money because of someone like Miscavige, it ends badly. There are going to be a lot of people going to jail. I hope they don’t all martyr themselves to “save” Miscavige.

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          One more thing: For a map as to how the prosecution of Narconon will go if Miscavige has his way, look at the LaRouche case. The transcripts are online, as are commentaries from ex-members trying to save people who are still in. There are also many articles in the Washington Post and New York Times about the case.

          Lyndon LaRouche ordered his organization to make money and more money. Fundraisers were “regging” senior citizens and others for many millions of dollars, much of it in short term loans. The government caught on to the scheme because LaRouche brought lawsuits for defamation against NBC and others, and in discovery the defendants demanded and got financial records. They took one look at the records and contacted law enforcement. There was a raid on LaRouche’s headquarters and LaRouche and others were indicted. LaRouche tried to get prosecutors to go after his followers not him, and prohibited his followers from making plea bargains. He went to jail for 5 years, and almost all the people who were offered 30 day jail terms as a plea bargain turned it down, on orders from LaRouche, and on average served 7 years each.

          This should be a cautionary tale for members of the church. Miscavige has no loyalty to either the church or its members. He is only interested in himself. He will demand that Reiser et al sacrifice themselves for the “greater good” of the church. At least one of the attorneys in the LaRouche case tried to get the court to find his client incompetent for not wanting to defend himself at LaRouche’s orders. LaRouche, and that client, slammed that attorney as “evil.” LaRouche’s victims did not get their money back, LaRouche had spent it on estates, horses, wine cellars, clothes for his wife, first class travel etc. Ex-cult wife has posted that her ex-husband was forced to squat in abandoned buildings, and as a reward for his years of service LaRouche told him and other long time baby boomer members to “commit suicide.” Many of those baby boomers had gone to jail for LaRouche.

          Miscavige will try the same thing. He will demand that Rieser et al sacrifice herself for him, as he represents “the greater good.” After they serve their lengthy jail terms, Miscavige will declare them an “SP” because they will be too old to work and too poor to be useful.

          • Remember that L Ron got his own wife among others to take the fall, and unlike Lyndon managed to avoid any jail time for himself, though his last days in the desert amounted to a self-inflicted prison.

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              Probably how Miscavige will handle it as well.

  • I hope every state with a Narconon is watching this closely.

    • Dean Fox

      I hope the insurance industry starts doing its own investigations in to any payments they’ve made to Narconon and other Hubbard based drug rehab centers.

      • My guess would be that within twenty minutes of the first phone call, they were all starting investigations. It’s a small community and they’re all about holding onto their money.

      • Still_On_Your_Side

        I am sure they are, as well as the federal government. This is an area they are comfortable with, it has nothing to do with religion.

  • InTheNameOfXenu

    Reading Dianetics back in 1989, I was young and naive. I had no knowledge of psychoanalysis or psychiatry, so my mind was fresh to be imprinted by Hubbard’s Gobbledeegoop. I bought his crap, because I had nothing to compare it to. To be honest, I did get something out of Book One Auditing. Since it was based on abreaction therapy, I did get stuff off or ‘blew charge’ as Scientologists would say. However, it was af fleeting experience. If engrams are recording of pain and trauma, then just being at a Scientology center I was being bombarded. Getting regged to death, then joining staff I accumulated a lot more painful experiences than what I experienced previously.

    • Captain Howdy

      Congratulations and I’m glad for you also.

    • monkeyknickers

      I’m glad you’re out too! Not an easy thing to do . . . you have a lot of moxie. 🙂

      • InTheNameOfXenu

        Thanks. I met my best friend there. He was involved for 13 years. He was the only one there that I could confide to about all the wrongness and contradictions. He finished his contract and never returned. Two of his friends did the same who were in it for a long time. 4 people, including myself, ‘blew’ for good and that was way back in 1990. Can you imagine how many people have left since then?

  • The Mission Spork guy, commenting on one of LRH’s more baffling explanations of a sci-fi gadget: “L. Ron Hubbard and science go together like manatees and treadmills.”

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    When I was still getting sci mail, I was stunned when I saw one full page ad. The picture was just a computer and monitor on a desk, but it looked like Wes Craven had personally set the mood lighting. I had to look at the content. Evidently Personal computers were evil. Who knew? I’m sure it had nothing to do with the fact that at that time the cheapest models ran around $3,500 to $6,000. Hubbard, though now fish food, evidently still needed All your money.

  • Vistaril

    I’m lovin’ this series. As L Ron Hubbard reiterated, an edifice constructed upon a dodgy foundation is itself dodgy, and there is little more dodgy than Dianetics and Scientology. That Scientologists themselves don’t realise this is due to all sorts of things but Lance points to one of the fundamental reasons when he says:

    It’s tough to say what Scientologists think because discussion and speculation are prohibited in Scientology. Any discussion of Scientology risks polluting a Scientologist’s mind with “false data” and “out-tech.” And so discussions of what people think about “the tech” are nonexistent. As a Scientologist, the information comes from LRH’s lips and fingers to your ears and eyeballs. To know what Scientologists think, you have to pick up clues from periodic oblique comments. The impression I always got is that most Scientologists think that the particulars are unimportant. In other words, Scientologists are perfectly willing to accept that the material is made from 100 percent (error-free) brain farts. The only question that matters is, Does it work? Just don’t answer that question negatively, not if you want to stay out of Ethics trouble.

    The “false data” and “out-tech” come from “verbal tech” which is defined in item 24 of the Keeping Scientology Working Series (aka “HCOB 15 February 1979, (Reissued 12 April 1983) – Verbal Tech: Penalties). There are six definitions, the fifth of which is:

    . . . interpreting them [tracts of “scripture”] verbally for another [person]” . . .

    . . . yep, that’s right, its is a Scientology crime for a Scientologist to even tell another Scientologist what a piece of tech, or any of it, actually means. L Ron Hubbard says that if a person doesn’t understand something then that person has gone past a word they didn’t understand and must return to the “source” documents and read them over and over and over again, word by word, until such time as there is no further misunderstanding. Talk about a literal approach!

    It gets worse. Because it is not possible in Scientology that L Ron Hubbard could ever be wrong about anything, the concept of “understanding” morphs into “agreement” because, “reality is agreement”. In short, as any Scientologist will tell you, unless you agree with something it doesn’t exist – what’s true for you, and all that. This gently introduced but thorough mind fuck results in the most hilarious of outcomes. Going back to “dodgy foundations”, lets consider one of the Scientology Axioms:

    Space is a viewpoint of dimension

    . . . obviously, this is an utter nonsense. For a start, how can “space” be a “viewpoint” of anything? Next, the statement is a logic fail in that it uses insufficient subordinate clauses to define the term. Its exactly the same as saying “a motor car is a brake pedal of a steering wheel” – i.e., meaningless. Yet, all Scientologists “agree” with it, The fun starts when Scientologists outside of the cult begin to talk about what that Axiom really means. Read any of the various discussions scattered across the interwebs and you will see that there is actually very little agreement about what it means. Particularly revealing are the discussions about what the state of “Clear” or “OT” “really” means. As per L Ron Hubbard, because there is so little agreement none of those things are real!! Thus, Scientology disappears in a puff of its own logic.

    : )

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I <3 this!

    • ‘The “false data” and “out-tech” come from “verbal tech” which is defined in item 24 of the Keeping Scientology Working Series (aka “HCOB 15 February 1979, (Reissued 12 April 1983) – Verbal Tech: Penalties”. There are six definitions, the fifth of which is:

      . . . interpreting them [tracts of “scripture”] verbally for another [person]”’ . . .

      A great way of controlling people is to keep them from communicating with each other.

      • Vistaril

        And a great way to stop people communicating with each other is to inject fear. As well as there being harsh penalties for “verbal tech”, Scientologists are also told that they at risk of losing any gains they have made in Scientology if they discuss “their case”. This stricture prevents Scientologists talking about their Auditing experiences and learning how they were both the same historical character. Tory Magoo tells a a great story about this – short version: she ended up in a coffee shop with three people who were all, IIRC, Jesus in a previous life time.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          “There is the whole Stasi-like system of “Knowledge Reports” where
          Scientologists spy on Scientologists – even children on their parents.”
          Last night I couldn’t sleep so I watched that German film that someone posted a link to yesterday–it really hit home about the KRs and spouse-turning-against spouse. Honestly, as a Jew hearing the German accents against the backdrop of these Nazi-like activities made my stomach dine on itself. (Please don’t flame me for that–Germany is a fine country with great people and good beer–just drawing specific parallels about $ci bots and a point in history.) As for me falling asleep after that… not so much.

          • Poison Ivy

            That was a powerful film. Very simple, very well done.

          • Ze Moo

            These days, there are more nazis in the US then in all of Europe. The spying of neighbor against neighbor has been a feature of Stalinist communism and nazi political life since both political systems were invented. Communist China and North Korea are the only countries that have widespread practice of informers these days.

            If you want to lose sleep thinking about the Nazi era, watch ‘Sophie’s Choice’ or ‘Schindlers List’. The nazis killed 6 million jews and millions of others. That’s maybe 10 million stories to get mad about.

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              France, and I believe also Germany, don’t have Whistleblower Laws because it involves turning in fellow citizens, like the Vichy government and the Nazis demanded.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Prefer, I’m not Jewish but I had the very same reaction..

            The aberrant checks and balances that hubbard built into his scam to maintain control of his faithful are consummate techniques of intimidation, coercion and exploitation.. and obviously very effective ones.. He was an evil, plum-nuts asshole, but he wasn’t stupid..

        • Poison Ivy

          This also explains why, when asked to explain their Scientology beliefs, the Tom Cruise’s and John Travolta’s of the world will always say some variation of “The best way to learn about Scientology is to read about it for themselves; to go into a Center and investigate, etc.” If you asked a Christian to explain the basis of his beliefs, he might say, “We believe Jesus Christ was the son of God made human, who came to earth to teach his wisdom and then died for our sins. We try and follow the lessons he left us in the Gospels.” You will NEVER get a Scientologist to explain his/her religion that concisely, because as you say, above, it’s sort of prohibited.

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            I never realized that discussion of it was prohibited — I knew that comparing “whole tracks” and discussing what goes on in auditing sessions are verboten. I guess that partly explains the nonsensical way that MissCabbage answered Koppel’s questions on the Nightline interview. Then again–not really. He’s a cretinous thug with or without the LRH blather.

            • Vistaril

              Yep – true, although its not “sort of prohibited” it is expressly prohibited, complete with eternal damnation for those who disobey. The reason for this is that “wogs” and under-prepared fellow Scientologists lack the required “reality level” to form “agreement” with the the central and essential teachings. That missing “reality level”, L Ron Hubbard teaches, means others are at severe risk and might even die if they are exposed to the processing which has to be done as one draws near to the pinnacle of Scientology. For this reason, it is for the “greater good” that Scientologists lie about their teachings and, instead, are trained to present a prepared series of diversions and “acceptable truths” when pressed for answers. They genuinely lie for our own good, they believe they are helping us by doing so, and practise hard to be as convincing as they can. (cf: TR-L).

              Needless to say, L Ron Hubbard knew full well that Scientology would be exposed for the criminal conspiracy to defraud that it is if the truth were told. Can you imagine David Miscavige telling Ted Koppel: “after paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for the information, an Operating Thetan must sit alone using an e-meter while communicating telepathically with the spiritual bodies of aliens brought to earth 75 million years ago in DC-8 shaped UFOs by galactic overlord Xenu and stacked around volcanoes which were blown up with hydrogen bombs, their thetans then collected with a special ribbon in the sky before they were forced to watch giant movie screens for 36 days during which false data, including Christianity, Islam and Judaism, were implanted.”

              When it comes to Scientology, it always helps to go “early similar” when looking at what goes on today. Fer sure, David Miscavige behaves abominably, yet nothing he says or does is outside of L Ron Hubbard’s “scripture” and/or own personal example. Even the violence that goes on at RTC stems from L Ron Hubbard’s written instructions to David Miscavige in 1983. At that time, most of the International management (Exec Strata and CMO INT) had been removed from post and were being held in what has since become “The Hole”. Among those L Ron Hubbard was most annoyed with was John Aczel. David Miscavige was sent instructions to, first, spit in John’s face and then slap him. Others aside from David Miscavige, including Denise (Larry) Brennan, also received instructions from L Ron Hubbard to spit on their fellow Scientologists. So, yeah, David Miscavige is a cretinous thug but, I suggest, its because of the L Ron Hubbard blather.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              Agree with that. Here is a case in point–a link from yesterday–on Clambake from a woman who has quite a story to tell ( :

              The “research” consisted of Black Dianetics being run on me, along with
              the liberal administration of Phenobarbital, Vistaril, Morphine and
              other drugs that I was never sure what they were. Most of the
              “processes” were not on the meter. They consisted of people mentally
              attacking me, usually several at a time, which is why Sweeney’s book
              gave me nightmares. It brought it all back to the surface.

              is where it gets really strange and why I say only those who have been
              there will believe it. One day, a short young well dressed punk named
              David came in with three other people who seemed older than him. I was
              22 at the time, so the kid would have been 17, but he looked about 14 or
              younger. They proceeded with the “process”. This time the group spent
              their time telling me that I was a degraded being and that they were
              big beings, that I did not belong in their space, that I should go jump
              off the balcony of my apartment right now as I was contaminating the
              entire Guardian’s Office simply by my presence.

              The young punk
              Dave was particularly nasty, his face screwed up in rage. About 25
              minutes into it, this little kid (he was 5’2″, I was 5’10”, jumped on me
              and started pummeling me with his fists, giving me a black eye. The
              other guys with him raced to pull him off me, as they were supposed to
              only yell at me, get in my face, but do nothing physical at all. Before
              they could do anything, I actually laughed at his attempt to intimidate
              me and threw him off me, slamming him to the floor. He stood up and
              spit in my face and stormed out of the room. This ended not only the
              “process”, but the entire experiment with me.

              It is my
              understanding that I was one of about a dozen people on whom these
              processes were being run at the time. We were the guinea pigs to test
              reactions so they could do things to people like Paulette Cooper (sorry
              Paulette, really, truly, sincerely, I’m sorry for having anything to do
              with it).

              Mary Sue came to visit me the day after that incident
              and told me I had been pulled off that project and that they were
              putting me on a more important one. She told me that Ron was
              researching a way to reverse the effects the drugs had taken on my body
              and I would be handled when the fix came. In the meantime, I was to
              marry a man they had handpicked for me as I needed to appear to be a
              stable housewife for my next assignment. When I asked her why I
              couldn’t just pretend to be married to the man I didn’t even know, her
              ludicrous response was something to the effect of “we can’t be telling
              lies, we have to tell the truth about all things.”

        • Ms. B. Haven

          Once Tony & Vance have covered the territory in ‘Blogging Dianetics” I think it would be a great idea to blog some of these outlandish concepts, policies, bulletins, etc. that those of us who were ‘in’ all took as gospel at one time. Once out, and it is ok to actually have a civil discussion without fear of reprisal, this nonsense can be seen for what it really is; unsubstantiated, unscientific codswallop. (did I use that semi colon properly???)

          • Ms. B. Haven

            On second thought, it would be better to just have the cult implode asap so these topics would become fodder for historical discussions or just become dim memories of trauma that we fortunately survived…

        • InTheNameOfXenu

          Ah knowledge reports, I remember that nasty business. This systematic reporting on your family and neighbors was used extensively in Communist countries. In Cuba there is a ‘chivato’ or a spy in every block keeping an eye and reporting any deviations. My short tenure as a Scientology staff member exposed me to this. My parents coming from a communist country told me these stories growing up. When I saw knowledge reports being written it was dejavu. Hubbard developed the same control machinism that communists then fascists used.

          • My friend was a kindergarden student in Cuba. She told me her father was arrested due to remarks he made and she repeated at school.

        • N. Graham

          A friend and I took a meditation class together and the teacher gave each of us our own personal mantra which he told us never to reveal to anyone. Years later we compared-yes, he gave her the very same personal mantra as he gave me. As long as you don’t talk about it, the secrets stay hidden.

    • Poison Ivy

      This is why you can go insane when a point such as this is debated on Marty’s blog.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Divining the entrails? What could be more fun?

    • Ziontologist

      “how can “space” be a “viewpoint” of anything?”
      For what it’s worth, this is a variation of the idea that the spirit existed before there was a physical reality.
      Kind of like God saying, “Let there be light.” Only it’s the “being” having the “viewpoint” that there would or should be space, or what we know as “dimension”.
      Didn’t you listen to the PDC (Philadelphia Doctorate Course) lectures? Some Scientologists really contemplate this stuff. Or was your involvement more as a staff member?

      • Only it’s the “being” having the “viewpoint” that there would or should be space, or what we know as “dimension”.


        • Ziontologist


          There’s a book by Stephen Hawking called The Grand Design. In it, he ask why there is something rather than nothing.

          • Yes, I understand the basic principle. “Let there be light”, Big Bang Theory, etc. I don’t understand your sentence, or how the basic principle related to what Hubbard wrote.

            • Ziontologist

              Scientologists believe they are immortal spiritual beings, or “thetans”.
              A thetan is described as a “nothingness”, meaning it is not of the physical realm.
              And, at the same time, a thetan has the ability to “postulate and perceive”.
              So, if a thetan decided to postulate and perceive space, it would be assuming a “viewpoint of dimension.”

            • Vistaril

              That hardly makes the Axiom concerned a “self evident truth”. If nothing else, L Ron Hubbard was a writer and, one would think, he would be clear about what he meant when setting down the Axioms. These are not Articles of Faith or Meditations, but Axioms, you know, like science and all that stuff.

              You make reference to Axioms One and Two. Perhaps you could help me with them. If there is such a thing as a static and if it has the ability to consider, what could it possibly consider in the total absence of anything to consider – no mass, no motion, no wavelength, no location in space or in time?

            • Ziontologist

              Excellent point, Vistaril.

              It reminds me of something I read in “The Feeling of What Happens” by Antonio Damasio. He says that for consciousness to exist, there must be a stimulus. No stimulus, no consciousness! In other words, consciousness only exists when there is something to be conscious of. But even in a sensory deprivation tank, there are still stimuli. Even a memory … but there has to be that “something there” to be conscious of, or else there is no consciousness. This fits with the evolutionary view that consciousness evolved to enhance the survival of an organism. Not only does the world exist, and not only do organisms exist, but by becoming increasingly conscious, organisms are able to respond intelligently to our surroundings. As Damasio so artfully said, consciousness is essentially an answer to a question that was never asked …

              Scientology says the opposite, that consciousness exists in the abstract, as pure consciousness. That it has no mass, motion, wavelength or location in space or time only signifies it’s independence from the physical reality. In the form of “theta” or “thetans”, consciousness is the true source of reality. Consciousness exists first, and then it “postulates” (creates) and perceives anything and everything else.

              In quantum science, it is said there has to be an “observer” for the world to exist the way it does. Even Marty jumped on the quantum bandwagon, because he believes it confirms his Scientology beliefs – that first there must be an observer (thetan) before there can be anything else.

              Einstein said, “I like to believe that the moon is still there even if we don’t look at it.”

              So much for the axioms being self-evident!

              I believe that I am conscious … I think that’s self-evident. I think we can all agree that we are conscious, and I thinks that’s a great place to start for any kind of philosophical discussion.

            • Vistaril

              Indeed. René Descartes summed it up beautifully. However, consciousness cannot exist within Scientology’s Axioms because consciousness (as humans experience it) requires language and language requires time because without ordered context there can be no meaning. Accordingly, in Axioms 1 and 2 the static cannot have consciousness because there is no time.

            • stillgrace

              Why did you edit out the condescending “Feel better now?”

            • Ziontologist

              I didn’t edit it out … but I wondered if I should leave it in …

              I was apprehensive. I’m very sensitive, and this can be a hostile blog.

              I don’t mind answering a question if a person is sincerely interested. And some people are truly interested in what I have to say.

              But there are others who are just out to give me a hard time. And I don’t remember “stillgrace” ever coming to my defense. In light of that, please don’t accuse me of being condescending.

              It’s a lot of fun to think about Scientology as the stupidest thing you ever heard of, and then laugh about it. I like to do that too.

              But that doesn’t tell you what it’s like to be a Scientologist.

            • stillgrace

              I understand that you want me to think your comment “Feel better now?” wasn’t condescending.
              I disagree.

              The sentence that you wrote (that was questioned) was “EX-Scio Hubbardese-style crap” and you got called on it. I don’t think anyone felt bad before your explanation (just confused), so you swooping down to explain it with your $cio-wisdom, didn’t warrant a “Feel better now?” It just seemed arrogant.

              I certainly understand how you could disagree, but at least you wondered if you should have left it in. Maybe there’s hope yet for your social sensibilities. Imagine how different your post would been if you had ended it with “I hope that explains what I was trying to say.” or something like that. Just a thought.

              I understand that you want the community here to forgive and forget the large quantity of rude and offensive comments you’ve made here and at VV under numerous screen names. It’s difficult to trust an abusive sock puppet that keeps coming back to start over, despite the apologies. I hope YOU understand.

              I understand that you are trying to start fresh again. I wish you luck with that. I think you’ll have better luck if you can tone down the Tom Cruise-style arrogance: “You don’t know the inside dope about scientology. I do.”

              I understand that you probably will disagree with my assessment and may feel compelled to argue the point. Please don’t. Change my mind by consistent respect for all posters. Again, I wish you good fortune. For now, however, I note the words written across the cover of your very thick folder: “Grave reservations.”

            • Ziontologist

              Thank you for speaking your mind and saying exactly what you think. I respect that.

              But I don’t agree.

              If I wanted to start over I wouldn’t posting as Ziontologist.

              I myself have endured a “large quantity of rude and offensive comments”, and no one has ever recanted or apologized in any way, except for JohnP.

              Perhaps you think it’s OK to degrade ex-Scientologists who speak their minds because, after all, they’re full of “EX-Scio Hubbardese-style crap”. You may hate Scientology, but you are directing your hatred at the wrong person.

              “‘Feel better now?’ … just seemed arrogant … but at least you wondered if you should have left it in.” Yeah, I thought about it. I decided that if it were me asking a question about the Scientology belief system, and someone responded with a Stephen Hawking quote, asking me if I felt better now, I’d laugh.

              And thanks for the hilarious comparison to Tom Cruise! LOL!!!

            • stillgrace

              Nope. In general (not singling you out; don’t get defensive) I just don’t like know-it-alls that talk down to people. Cruise is an example of that. I have three friends that are ex-scientologists and one still in. None of them speak Hubbardese. Of course, only my friend ‘still in’ is an operating thetan. He’s still a treasured friend. Once when I wanted to show him something about music on the internet while at his house, his net-nanny block popped up for some unknown reason. He seemed embarrassed. We don’t talk about $cientology. I respect his choices. Plus, he’s a great and talented guy.

            • Ziontologist

              I have never, ever talked to down to anyone on this blog who didn’t cop an attitude with me first.

            • stillgrace

              Well … thank you for not getting defensive.

            • Ziontologist

              I edit my posts to better express myself.

    • BosonStark

      It also splains why there are so few concepts written by Hubbard, e.g. “space is a viewpoint of dimension,” that are that concise. He didn’t want to be quoted too easily, or for people outside to discuss what were his ideas. Mostly, he wrote in long, rambling sentences, that members find majestic and deep. It preps them for doing things like,”Touch the wall.” “Thank you.” To me Hubbard’s writing sounds bloated and fake, but I guess maybe it helps some people assign their own meaning or understanding?

      The stuff he really wanted members to take to heart, was for-internal-use-only thought stopping garbage about dynamics, KSW and SPs.

      When I first thumbed through Dianutty in a store, nearly a few decades after it was written, I thought that if there were something of value in all that gibberish, we would have heard about it already, or someone would have tried to write about it in a more comprehensible manner. You wouldn’t have to go off to the Dianetics Institute, or whatever, to learn it. I knew it was supposed to be something you could do at home.

      E=MC squared was difficult to understand too, but I think there were even contests for people to write about it in a manner that would be comprehensible to the public. No book or articles were written that tried to explain the revolutionary ideas or “technology” that Hubbard came up with. You were just supposed to dive into the nutty all by yourself, and then it’s like, “Where do I sign up?”

      Another tip was the number of copies I saw in used book stores, sometimes for 25 cents. It was always there. If this information were so exciting or vital, why would people discard the book, especially when it didn’t seem like a thing you could commit to memory. The volcano on the cover just screamed SCAM.

      Of course, I admit, I grew up in a completely Dianutty-free environment. I understand how different it might have been if people I knew or admired were excited or transformed by it.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        Having never read Dianutty, was there ever an explanation in its contents about what that volcano on the cover is supposed to mean? Were folks to recognize it intuitively it from our whole track experience? Or are our thetans supposed to cognite it or something? If it wasn’t explained, I’d love to hear Jeff Hawkins’ take on that.

        • BosonStark

          Hawkins has explained it just as you mentioned — about awakening the whole track. The more obvious metaphor in an advertising sense, is awakening the explosive power within the individual — gaining new abilities or unleashing unlimited potential. At least, that’s how I saw it. And I found that to be a little bit over-the-top. Also, the volcano wasn’t on the cover for a while, so how could people be drawn to it before that?

          When you think about it though, when a clam reads OTIII, the volcano must be about the only thing that is familiar in the context of Scientology. Ah ha! It all fits together now! Ten minutes later — WTF?

          They may as well put a DC-8 or a picture of Xenu on the next cover. Time for a change.

  • Mind as Suoercomputer – It’s nothing short of amazing to see Hubbard’s total lack of even a rudimentary understanding of computers. This corresponds to his ignorance of space as well (the surprisingly warm Van Allen Belt, for example). He styled himself a science fiction writer and could not bother to get his facts straight.

    Narconon – This Georgia investigation could have big ramifications. Although it appears that Narconon steered clear of Medicare and Medicaid patients and the attendant Federal oversight, they have now apparently defrauded corporate America. If this type of billing is the norm expect investigatins to open up in other states where Naroconon operates. This is not going to be pretty.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I think it is going to be really pretty!
      It is all about perspective. hehehe

      • Or to quote LRH “Space is a viewpoint of dimension.”

        • BuryTheNuts2

          And I am three feet behind my head.

          • The Dark Avenger

            I hate to be a nitpicker, but bugs are usually associated with software.

            • Ze Moo

              In the very early days of computing, at the Bletchley Park code breaking facility, actual mechanical relays were used. On occasion actual bugs got stuck in the works. Intel and AMD have made cpus that couldn’t do floating point math correctly. Software was issued to fix that bug. Almost all ‘bugs’ these days are software derived.

              The freeware market sometimes has some interesting stuff, but you better know how to check it for viruses and malware. Safe computing isn’t easy these days.

              For someone with all his incredible ‘knowingness’, Lron doesn’t remark about software at all in Dianutty. Everything he talks about is hardware related. Why?? Because the term software didn’t come into widespread use until the 70’s. In essence, all of the auditing and studying of ‘wit and wisdom’ of Lron is Scamatologies software. In the modern world, software gets the occasional upgrade, changing any of Lron ‘thought farts’ is verboten. In the real world, any computer or software that doesn’t have an upgrade path is doomed.

              Lron’s attempt to define human memory and processing was always doomed to failure, the tools to look at brain structure and chemical analysis of what is actually going on is still being developed. All you can say is Lron didn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground.

            • You’re right about the use of the term “software”. I took a programming course in high school in 1970. The computer we used was an IBM 1620. It was the size of a credenza and had a whopping 16 kilobytes of memory. The vocabulary at that time included programs, compiler decks, punch cards. We used the term software in a general way to describe these components but would mostly talk in terms of programs.

            • The Dark Avenger

              I’m not surprised by the Blenchly Park example. but I thought that the term was coined because of Rear Admiral Grace Hooper, as detailed here.


              Lron’s attempt to define human memory and processing was always doomed
              to failure, the tools to look at brain structure and chemical analysis
              of what is actually going on is still being developed. All you can say
              is Lron didn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground

              I remember a children’s encyclopedia from the early 1910s showing the human brain as working something like a telephone exchange, that’s probably the best analogy one could’ve used in the early ’50s to explain how the brain works.

            • 1subgenius

              Thanks for the Grace Hopper link.

            • The Dark Avenger

              Yes, she’s one of the great unsung heroines of American technology and science, IMHO.

            • Ze Moo

              Grace was eventually recognized for her contributions. The navy made her a vice admiral (sure beats a simple ‘commodore’). 60 Minutes did several stories about her and she got to do the lecture circuit for a few years before she died. The navy named a destroyer after her. Her bug story was the first ‘bug’ published. Bletchley Park was a secret until the early 60’s.

            • John P.

              My favorite Adm. Hopper quote: “With this new programming technology, business users will be able to write their own applications and will not have to rely on professional programmers.” She said this in 1954 and was talking about COBOL. I recall reading this a long time ago, and after a brief stint learning COBOL, was struck by how wrong it was even though it came from someone so eminent. I have since tried via Google to track down the verbatim quote with a source reference but have been unable to do so. If I were able to do that, it would be a great cautionary tale about overestimating the rate of progress in software development technology.

            • The Dark Avenger

              I hadn’t heard of the Bletchley Park story until now. It’s kind of funny they waited for so long because those machines were probably like Model T Fords compared to the mainframes in use at that time.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist


            • John P.

              The first “bug” that interfered with the operation of an early computer was taped to the notebook that served as the system log. It’s now on display in the Smithsonian. I don’t recall the precise species, but it appears to have been a moth. However, this should not be taken as supporting evidence for any guessing that early computers were made of wool.

            • The Dark Avenger

              Yep, that’s all in my link.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              I love this blog!

            • stillgrace

              In the early days, input to a computer was either elaborate switch/cable configurations. See photos of the Eniac below. Later, punch card systems were developed to input and process data.

              The origin of the word “bug” is disputed in the industry. One popular theory is from the Eniac days. The Eniac was developed by the government to calculate artillery trajectories for the war effort. Since there were no solid-state transistors in those days, vacuum tubes were used as switching elements in the circuit design. The 18,000 vacuum tubes used in the Eniac glowed and become very warm, thus attracting moths that banged into the tubes, sometimes causing problems. Moths were “bugs”.

            • The problem with “bugs” was much older than Eniac. Edison too found insects attracted to the warmth of his circuits. It is not certain when the phrase “getting the bugs out” or “debugging” was first applied metaphorically to eliminating design problems with the circuits.

              I attended a gathering a couple years back at the Computer History Museum (homepage ) of the surviving members of the IBM 1401 design team (video at ).

              The 1401 was the first mass-produced computer to use von Neumann’s “stored program” concept, which had been considered impractical because memory was so expensive: it used little magnetizable donuts with three wires going through them (location 359 would have #3 among the ten “hundreds digits” wires, #5 of the “tens digits” wires, and 9 of the “ones digits”; you would send a signal through the three wires simultaneously and only the donut where the three intersected would respond) and this stuff was hand-sewn. I worked on a 1401 when I was young, and when we upgraded from 8K of memory to 12K, we were in hog heaven.

              Francis Underwood, the charismatic team leader (50 years later, all the team members still seemed in awe of him) talked IBM into making this thing because the old style of computer, controlled by plugboards in the front, was running into fundamental difficulties. You would program a sequence of arithmetical operations by plugging the outputs from one unit into the inputs of another, but it was getting to the point where half the circuitry was just for safety to prevent the machine catching fire if you accidentally plugged an output into an output.

            • N. Graham

              But Ron knew all about computers. I found this on the Internet so it must be right! He could create those double digit datums and five digital problems, not to mention the two-factoral ones better than any one! As John P. mentioned, he could give a computer a neurosis! According to the video, he could even make it psychotic!

            • I have two core memory cards I bought on eBay for cheap. Core memory was before my time, but I find it fascinating to be able to hold volatile memory in which the bit-storage locations are visible and tangible. One of these days I’ll frame them and hang them.

    • Poison Ivy

      Do we know for a fact they didn’t dabble in a little Medicaid fraud?

      • We don’t and I’m probably giving them too much credit in saying that they may have actively avoided it. At the same time, government funding for inpatient drug treatment has taken a huge hit over the last 30 years and what money there is to pay for it isn’t much, so I think that it’s unlikely that Medicaid fraud occurred. The Florida situation might present a possibility of Medicaid funding since that treatment was court-ordered and stipulated the treatment be inpatient.

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          It doesn’t matter, health insurance fraud is a federal crime.

    • John P.

      When you note the date of Dianutty (1950), let’s look at the state of computer technology back then. RAMAC, the first disk drive, with cheap random access storage, wasn’t delivered until 1956; I don’t think the patents were even filed at that time. About the only storage you could get other than the vacuum tube registers themselves in 1950 was either tape (not random-access), punch cards (which wear out and are not random access) and mercury delay lines (a truly bizarre invention which was marginally cheaper than vacuum tubes but was incredibly toxic).

      The point is that it wasn’t until the late 1950s and early 1960s that artificial intelligence theorists were able to start thinking of computers as able to automate functions normally associated only with “intelligence.” The hardware architecture and capacity simply wasn’t there. So Hubbard had no basis in fact for the claim that the mind worked like the computer. At a guess, he probably lifted the idea from other SF writers who were thinking along these lines. Arthur C. Clarke was writing about computers in the early 1950s — see his 1953 classic short story “The Nine Billion Names of God,” among others, and he probably had a good understanding of computer technology as it existed, given that he had done some engineering work on radar during WWII, and ended up developing the concepts for geostationary communications satellites, which he proposed in 1945.

      My suspicion is that Hubbard adapted his fantasy about what computers could be from other SF writers (my knowledge of the Golden Age of SF is not that comprehensive, so I don’t know all the writers who may have been writing about computers at that point) rather than from actual understanding of the field. His story about meeting early computer pioneers and crashing their system by asking it a question that caused it to develop “neuroses” is undoubtedly a fabrication given the ludicrous assumptions he makes about how computers worked.

      But why would this become a central tenet of Dianutty? I think this is because religion-as-personal-power would seem to revolve around the idea that you have innate powers and have lost them, or forgotten how to use them. In other words, “wisdom of the ancients.” That’s necessary to convince people that achieving super powers is really, really easy. He just happens to have come up with a wholly modern way of expressing the old scam: that you have super powers that have been taken from you; sign up for our courses and you will get back what was rightfully yours.

      • As usual, your insights are illuminating. Almost 70 years on we tend to forget that the initial machines were little more than calculators designed to execute mathematical functions quickly and completely unable to be assigned more than one task at a time. They possessed a fraction of the memory available on a mobile phone (a flip phone at that). The true object for Hubbard was to gain control of people through the lure of offering personal power. Since magic, astrology, the occult and alchemy were out of fashion in the post-war era, what better way to hook the susceptible than to treat it as science.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        This book I’ve been reading is fascinating and dripping with details about how Hubbard operated, where he got many of his “ideas” from, how his mental state deteriorated, naughty out ethics, etc. This isn’t just about Heinlein, it’s about the whole grand of writers and friends in military, govt. and other areas, and how the sci fi writers got all their information. It’s another eye opener.

        Robert A. Heinlein: In Dialogue with His Century: Volume 1 (1907-1948): Learning Curve

      • Ze Moo

        Arthur C Clarke was one of the most prolific and accomplished writers ever known. The ‘Nine Billion Names of God’ correctly stated what computer are good at doing. They maintain lists and information about items in that list.

        Only in the last 10 -15 years has architecture and programing reached the ability to simulate ‘thinking’ or do ‘artificial intelligence’ types of tasks Face recognition is one of the best examples of the current state of ‘artificial intelligence’. It takes a huge code base and fast processors to do facial recognition correctly.

        I have widely read sf from the so called Golden Age. Few of those authors knew what day to day uses for computers were and most of them use it as a platform for robot stories or cautionary tales about supercomputers taking over the world. Isaac Asimov’s 3 or 4 laws of robotics may the best example of a good idea that doesn’t have a platform yet.

        Robert Heinlein did a short story about ‘ancient mind powers rediscovered’. I think it was published around 1957. I never understood why Heinlein liked Lron. Nothing in that short story or novella could be associated with scientology.

      • He may have been influenced by A.E. van Vogt’s 1948 “The World of Null-A”

        “The opening of The World of Null-A sets out one of these
        grand van Vogtian schemes. A thirty-day competition is
        being held in the city of the Machine, and the results
        determine nothing less than people’s future careers and
        financial prospects. Thousands of people are participating,
        and each day the contestants are tested in a series of
        games set by the massive computer that runs the city.
        With each passing day, more and more contenders are
        eliminated, and only a small cadre remain, battling for the

        Van Vogt was involved with Dianetics early on.

        And, frankly, I think Hubbard probably got a chubby thinking of himself in the role of the Machine.

  • Ms. B. Haven

    These two articles tie in nicely. Mary Reiser, who is mentioned as the ED of Narconon Georgia, is a member of the local OT committee (and at least a New OT VI completion herself according to OTs being far and away more advanced than mere Clears must therefore be operating like super computers instead of the clunky old ENIACs of the 40s & 50s. In Mary’s worrisome disclosure, “Things That Shouldn’t Be”, known as Exhibit A (2 days ago in the Bunker) she reveals that maybe there might be a few bugs in the hardware that could be causing some trouble.

    Perhaps when she is called to the witness stand in either a criminal or civil case she will get a chance to find out who her friends are. Nothing like a court room to setting to work on those lower conditions you know. If she decides to take the fall and do some time, a la Mary Sue, she will find out who her REAL friends are. Nothing like a lonely cell mate to bond with while those ‘other friends’ on the outside get away with the goods.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Oh she is definitely going down–and I am praying it won’t be alone. Last night, after I watched that German film (see my other comment this morning), I thought I would tire myself with some reading. Soooo… I went back to re-read her two depositions in the context of the Things That Shouldn’t Be doc. I wonder which is worse–the Hole or prison? And nope, that didn’t help my sleep situation either.

  • BosonStark

    Not only was Hubbard’s conception of the computer/brain analogy primitive because computers were primitive in the 50s and Hubbard’s understanding of them limited, his whole concept was very Freudian and MEMORY centric, with little emphasis on consciousness, heuristics (experienced based techniques for problem solving, learning, and discovery), and sensory input — although I guess the latter is supposed to be covered in the “perceptics” stuff. How that integrates into Dianutty only Xenu knows? I suspect Hubbard outlined a few incoherent things about the Super Power rundown and Miscavige paid someone off to cook it up. This will be proof that Hubbard didn’t spend his last years drooling and babbling incoherently. Proof at last!

    Becoming desensitized to traumatic memories through talk therapy and “blowing charge” is distinctly brilliant and in the full domain of Dr. Freud, not Dr. Hubtard. Other stuff can be traced to people like “the map is not the territory” Korzybski.

    The concept of a semen or fetus being able to hear words spoken in the environment and comprehend them clearly is silly. This explains why no one outside the cult quotes Hubbard’s ideas or “tech.” It’s the damn placebo effect, and it works! Is it the most reasonable and healthy way to apply the placebo effect? Hell no!

    • Sidney18511

      one thing I never understood. Many times Lrh said that a theton when in the process of looking for a new body will find a baby being born and enter the body at birth. How does he explain pre-birth engrams when obviously the infant was theton free? I know I spelled theton wrong.

      • BosonStark

        Maybe in looking for a new body, the theton has to find a doll body baby with the Helatrobus implant, instead of a theton? This may involve a trip to the implant station on Mars? Makes sense.

        • Poison Ivy

          My head hurts.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          I wonder if the thetans there have improved upon their railway safety procedures. Anyone?

    • The “cannot err” stuff sounds ripped from popular late 19th-early 20th century cults. Like everything else, Hubbard stole it and made it stupider. (And considering the stupidity level of the original, that’s saying something.)

      • BuryTheNuts2

        One of my favorite Hubbard ‘quirks’ is that he thought his writing was capable of killing a man or making him extremely (physically) sick.

        Why just observing the strung together words of his literary genius could put you in Mortal Danger! He was THAT powerful. People keeling over left and right, and flinging themselves out windows and $hit.

        He was a wing-nut on a stick!

  • BosonStark

    There’s been some very bright people in Scientology, like Vance. Do they ever relate what was brilliant about any or all of Hubbard’s thinking to the public? No, because it isn’t allowed even to discuss these things with a spouse. “Read a book by Dr. Hubtard. Find out what is true for you.” You may bring up some things with an auditor who will assign the proper course, rundown or security check. Please see the registrar.”

    Then the bright people come out, only when they wake up and leave the cult, and talk about it or jump out a window. The rest are too busy getting trophies and upping their status to the IAS, feeling so “sane,” like Anne Archer. Haven’t you ever wanted to be sane? Do Sciloontology!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      One of the things that has always fascinated me about Scientology is the (suspected) IQ mean of it’s population.
      I would love to see an actual study done.

      • Vistaril

        There was a study done in 1953 at the University of New York. Harvey Jay Fischer tested Dianetics therapy against three claims made by proponents and found it does not effect any significant changes in intellectual functioning, mathematical ability, or the degree of personality conflicts.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Interesting. But my meaning (or thought) is that Scientology seems to attract some very sharp individuals in the first place.
          Like the correlation in Intellectual curiosity to IQ. And does that intellectual curiosity have bearing on what would attract someone to it initially. I personally suspect it would.
          I could be totally off base in my thinking about that.

          • Poison Ivy

            I think it attracts curious, questioning people – and as you say, Bury, intellectual curiousity often correlates with intelligence. What’s amazing is, while curiosity is the draw, Scientology then goes about killing off any last shred of intellectual curiosity the person might have. Ah the endless irony.

            • BuryTheNuts2


            • PreferToBeAnon2

              I agree BTN and PI. Aside from the jaw-clenching Sci logic and cognitive dissonance displayed over at Marty’s, I am impressed with their level of discourse. But then… the brick wall. What is interesting is Marty trying to re-stimulate that intellectual curiosity with the introduction of other philosophies. It’s a head scratcher watching that go down.

            • Poison Ivy

              I stuck it out through a few of those posts the other day while waiting for a video download. I must say, Marty – though still a Hubbard devotee – is trying to get people to integrate Hubbard into a larger tradition of religion, philosophy and psychology, and so many of his commenters are still stuck in the “No, Hubbard is the only one who knew anything” routine. (Then comes the endless niggling over policy….it’s really hard to read.)

            • Still_On_Your_Side

              I think Marty is trying to get people to understand that Hubbard drew his work from other traditions and philosophies, including Freud, and they want no part of that. What Marty is trying to do, I believe, is use logic to get people to see that, unless they think Hubbard is a god, they have to understand the other philosophies in order to understand Hubbard. I think he is being pilloried for that. What I don’t understand is why do people, who have changed dramatically and are no longer the same people they were when they were in the cult, argue so strenuously that someone like Marty must not have changed? I find that very disturbing.

              I also can never understand how people can worship Hubbard for being such an ” intellectual” “free thinker,” yet condemn members of the church or Indies who are intellectual free thinkers. Sort of like a Christian that condemns forgiveness and charity, but proselytizes Christianity for its doctrine of forgiving and charity.

          • We listen to and remember the ex-Scientologists who are more bright. Also, they have to exercise their brains to get the heck out of Scientology. There are also some extremely dim people who are attracted to the cult, like Tom Cruise and certain other celebrities.

            Intellectual curiosity + lack of critical thinking skills = perfect cult victim. I’ve known a few people who were highly intelligent in some ways, but their critical thinking skills (aka street smarts, common sense) were near-nonexistent. They could argue themselves into and out of literally anything, because they had no bullshit-o-meters. And because they’d always been told they were so smart, got great grades, and could baffle nearly anyone with their rhetoric, they also thought they were more able to find The Truth than pretty much everyone else. I think of it as “College Sophomore Syndrome”.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              You had me at Tom Cruise.

          • Ziontologist

            “Scientology seems to attract some very sharp individuals …”

            Hubbard took those “very sharp individuals” for fools.

            I know I’m repeating myself, but Hubbard once made a sarcastic remark about IQ tests. Hubbard said the problem with IQ tests is that they only measure how smart you are and that, even for smart people, there should be a separate test, a “stupidity test”, to measure how stupid you are.

  • 0tessa

    Quote from Rabi, published in Scientific American, 1951, p. 57:
    “Thie volume (Dianetics) probably contains more promises and less evidence than any publication since the invention of printing.”
    Quotes from Peck, The American Journal of Psychology, 1950, pp 477-478:
    “The whole project (of Dianetics) was irresponsible by accepted scientific standards” and: “Hubbard’s science fiction writing prepared him for a ‘nice ignorance of reality”.

    • BosonStark

      The Rabi quote is a classic and the only real enduring statement of what Dianutty is, that says it all. What I find too ironic, is the extreme to which Hubbard convinced his followers of the concept of “sanity” and how wogs were insane and that only Scientology could create a “sane” world. Of course, as we know now, “sanity” and the feeling that one isn’t quite sane, was Hubbard’s “case.”

      After receiving several nutty letters from Hubbard, the FBI made the annotation “appears mental” in his file.

      Scientology Orgs themselves are not just churches for disguise, they’re really “islands of sanity,” also for disguise.

    • Ziontologist

      “Hubbard was a deeply disturbed man — a pathological liar who steadily deteriorated from a charming rogue into a paranoid egomaniac “unable to distinguish”, as (Russell) Miller puts it, “between fact and his own fantastic fiction …
      … Mary Sue learned she had once been D. H. Lawrence. Ron revealed he had written The Prince but “that son-of-a-bitch Machiavelli stole it from me”. During an incarnation on another planet, Hubbard said, he had managed a factory that made steel humanoids.”
      -Martin Gardner

  • Truthiwant

    Slightly off topic…

    I saw that on Amazon a new book (only 34 pages long) has just come out about scientology. It’s
    called Insider’s Guide to Scientology by a certain John Cruise. It’s free to
    download on to your Kindle ( but you don’t need a kindle to download it. You
    can download to your PC using Amazon’s free software).

    The book very briefly describes what scientology is and it’s beliefs and it goes on to talk
    about why people protest against it. It is reasonably accurate in a very brief
    sort of way but the creepy part, I think, is the last chapter which is
    entitled “How does someone convert to
    Scientology”. In three pages the author
    tells you the various ways you can begin
    to get involved with scientology. Those last 3 pages are really spooky. I don’t
    know if Mr. Cruise has done scientology or not. I get the feeling he hasn’t but
    he is jumping on the band wagon as it seems that everybody has to write about
    scientology now. This sort of book is a “NO” because it is not possible to
    write about scientology in 34 pages and finish off the book telling the reader
    whether they should join the group or not.

    • sugarplumfairy

      It’s probably a scam to get their stats up.. With all the curiosity lately about scientology, they offer something free and quick to read.. Critics, reporters, watchers, etc. download it cause it’s free and co$ announces a huge new interest in scientology e-books.. Yay!! A win!! They’re such scheming a**holes….

      • I was thinking along the same lines.

      • Ze Moo

        I have seen an odd pattern of tv ad buying for the CO$ since the new year started. Usually during popular tv shows around 8-9pm I am seeing the ‘what is true for you’ commercial. With the Atlantic advert and the constant ads on Google, you’d think the CO$ was looking for new meat. MIscavige hasn’t cared about stats since he took power. Why now?? Lawrence Wright has started his book tour, meet him in Boston or any large city for your autographed copy. Is Davey just trying to counteract all the press Wright has stirred up? What will Davey do for the rest of the year, there are so many anti-scieno books coming out.

    • I’m guessing there must be some sort of connection to the COS because of the use of the cross and the linked triangles. Both are almost certainly trademarked by the COS or one of it’s entities (the RTC perhaps). I doubt Amazon would risk being pulled into a copyright infringement suit.

  • Ziontologist

    “TOMORROW — We start a new feature with none other than A Piece of Blue Sky author Jon Atack!”

    Thanks Tony. I am looking forward to that!

    The other day (Lawrence Wright’s Scientology Book Gets Some Thrashing from Cult Expert Steven Hassan ) you posted a link to an interview with Atack.

    What an amazing and informative video!

    The best way to put the Scientology experience behind you is to see it for what it is, and Atack really “gets it”.

  • dwayners13

    So let me get this straight, Scientology teaches you to think for yourself, just not when it comes to Dianetics, Scientology or anything else Hubbard said, wrote or did. Basically the church’s motto is, “what is true for you, is what WE say is true to you”. I’ve always thought that was rather odd. A religion that claims to teach people ‘how to know’, however that tenet doesn’t apply to that religion.
    I guess if you want to create a religion, it would be beneficial to ensure your followers can never, ever question your words or action. As for Dianetics being a science, it lacks a few essentials, for example actually proving your theory/hypothesis, then there’s the whole scientific method thing (details, details) & that annoying thing about being able to question the actual theory & method in which it was constructed.
    I will give Hubbard credit, the whole concept of scientologists not being able to do their own research (ie., on the Internet, news papers & books about Scientology not written by LRH) as it would prevent them from thinking for themselves is a good way to control information. Apparently the more you know, the harder it is to think for yourselves. I guess it would be a good idea if you were lazy, that way you don’t have to bother thinking, just find out what Hubbard thought & go from there. Perhaps Hubbard knew knowledge is power, & if your starting a cult, the last think you what is to give your followers power.

  • Poison Ivy

    From the mouth of LRH himself: “It cannot err in any way so long as a human being is reasonably intact (unless something has carried away a piece of his mental equipment).” Uh…need we say more?

  • Talking about how your brain REALLY works…. here’s a great little video

    • Ziontologist

      Fast and slow thinking! This explains why smart people make stupid decisions. They were too lazy to think it through. It’s called Dysrationalia.

      BTW, there are many neural networks in the brain that have their own logic. Making a moral judgement based on emotion involves a different neural network than making the same moral judgement based on logic.
      There’s a classic thought experiment about a train killing 5 people standing on the tracks, unless it takes a different route , where only 1 person is at risk. Most people would rather see 1 accidental death than 5, but they would have great difficulty if they actually had to kill 1 person to save 5 …

      • John P.

        Cool article. Thanks for passing it along.

        This explains why smart people make stupid decisions.

        And that is a neurological phenomenon that underpins the basis of our success in the markets, here at Global Capitalism HQ. While we like to think we are way smarter than the average bear, realistically, we figure that if we are no smarter than anybody else but we make stupid decisions 20% less often, we will end up with significantly higher returns than our competitors.

        And it’s really cool that modern neuroscience understands that the brain is able to use many different types of thought processes (which correspond in some respects to different algorithmic architectures) to achieve a result. It seems really hard to do this with a computer, but I wonder if “Watson,” the IBM machine that was used to beat humans on Jeopardy, did something like this — had multiple algorithm architectures and a voting mechanism to determine confidence levels to the extent that various algorithms converged.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          And all I got was this stupid T-shirt that says: I am a cognitive miser!

      • ” Cognitively too lazy to think it all the way through.”

        Or rushed so that they can’t. Like the stupid facebook things that say “Click in 3 seconds to see what happens!”. Or stores running a Last Chance sale, or infomercials with a countdown timer on screen as if there’s really a limited time offer.

        I kinda suspect that’s why staff and such are worked so hard. Keep them busy and they won’t have time to think “What the hell am I doing this for? This is bullshit, I’m out of here” before the next little addictive “win” can be doled out to make them think it’s worthwhile.

  • N. Graham

    Screw ‘Em Again
    (with apologies to Steely Dan’s “Do It Again”)

    Ron Hubbard wrote Dianetics

    So that he could save mankind

    With verbal athletics

    That subjugate the mind

    And he charged a pretty penny

    To drink the knowledge cup

    And he knows there aren’t too many

    Who can tell he made it up.


    You go on, Ron

    Screw ‘em again

    Get meat bodies in the orgs

    You go on, Ron

    Screw ‘em again…

    While his research was all phony

    His greed was always there

    As he pitched the flock baloney

    He charged them for the air

    And he said you can’t get rich

    Writing sci-fi for the masses

    You need a religious pitch

    To be rich like Onassis


    You plot on, Ron

    Screw ‘em again!

    Up the bridge for OT powers

    Plot on Ron

    Screw ‘em again!

    So you say they all have free will

    While you shut down every thought

    And you take a pink and grey pill

    And drink rum on your yacht

    Your next book is a wild one

    While Fair Game brings pain and sorrow

    You won’t care what you have done

    When you’re just dead meat tomorrow

    Scam on, Ron

    Screw ‘em again

    In the Mars Implant Station-

    Scam on, Ron,

    Screw ‘em Again!

    And try to sue our mothers

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      That’s pretty good! By the way, I thought Steely was going to have some new stuff out. I remember JohnP (I think) talking about it and kept looking for it around Christmastime.

      • 1subgenius

        Check out Donald Fagen’s latest “Sunken Condos”.
        Haven’t been able to stop listening to it.

      • John P.

        The December event was Fagen’s solo “Sunken Condos” project. There are persistent rumors that Steely Dan will be recording together soon, but my sources (who are extremely well plugged in to the normally quite secretive duo) say that nothing’s happening at the moment. They’re sufficiently perfectionist in their tendencies that they’ll release stuff when they’re damned good and ready. There were rumors early in 2012 that the next Steely Dan album would be summer 2013, just in time for another tour, but I am skeptical. I also don’t have any definite word on 2013 tour plans just yet.

  • dbloch7986

    I think a much more interesting thing than calling the mind a computer is the comparison between the modern day map of the universe and a single neuron. It’s fascinating.

    It made me so sad when I tried to discuss stuff like this with other Scientologists and they just blew it off because, “It’s not tech.” I think it is the intellectual side of me that refused Scientology. It still makes me sad to know that Scientologists are closed off from beautiful things like this.

    I tried to show my family the light all the time. I tried to expose them to the real world as much as I could. Scientology programming is so insidious that it prevents Scientologists from even looking beyond Dianetics and body thetans into the beautiful and fascinating parts of the world we really live in. They are transfixed by the false ideologies of a greedy sociopath.

    We know so much more about life, the universe and our own planet than we did back in the heyday of Scientology. It’s disheartening that all those Scientologists are missing out on it.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Derek, keep on trying!!!

      “I think a much more interesting thing than calling the mind a computer
      is the comparison between the modern day map of the universe and a
      single neuron. It’s fascinating.” Mapping the universe is till in its infancy… but have any good linky’s?

      Poor Hubbard and his punch-card mentality. What do you think he would have made of hanging chads?

      • dbloch7986
      • dbloch7986

        They’re trying to figure out the law of nature that causes things to grow the same way a brain does. Apparently there is some law of nature that causes information to spread in the same pattern no matter what scale it is on.

        Wouldn’t it be fascinating if the entire universe were a gigantic fractal of a neuron in some giant brain. Could you imagine? Or if tiny universes were contained in each neuron in our own brains?

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          Are you a Talbot fan (the holographic universe)?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Yes, I can imagine that.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Just read this yesterday. Here ‘ya go. (Next time a reg comes within striking distance, now you’ll know what to do: stay perfectly still!

        • Still_On_Your_Side

          I am not a scientist, unfortunately, but I believe Quantum Physics postulates something on the order of “tiny universes” in each cell of our body, which is how we control the world around us.

        • Something similar is the way that slime molds can discover a shape that is similar to a computer-generated optimal path (the ‘traveling salesman problem’ of finding the most efficient path that covers all points on a trip), or a path that has been developed by humans over time, such as rail networks in the UK or Tokyo.

          Neat stuff, certainly.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    With the Internet, and the eyes of the world on Georgia, there will be no successful payoffs to stymie the investigation as there was with the McPherson criminal investigation. It was smart of Rieser to wrote that contemporaneous memo, otherwise, in all probability, Miscavige et al would use her as the only scapegoat.

  • Chocolate Velvet

    Tony O, are you an OT? I was just wishing you would do a series with Jon Atack! Seriously.

    Can’t wait to see what the two of you have in store.

    • dbloch7986

      Definitely OT phenomena

    • Trustmeonthis

      Way to postulate, CV!

  • AstroLadyBoy

    A few months later Morton, visiting her daughter, was confronted by then-clinic director Mary Rieser, who told her United Health Care had yet to reimburse Narconon.

    “And I asked her, ‘If they reimbursed at all they would reimburse us, because we paid in full,’” Morton told the AJC. “And she said she wasn’t aware of what our contract was.”

    Later that day Rieser told Morton not to worry – Narconon would cover the costs of the doctor’s visits.

    “I just thought that was very strange,” she said.

    When Morton got home she pulled up her account online.

    ( From the Atlanta Journal-Constitution)

    I just love that Mary blew this whole thing open herself lol lol lol!

    • 1subgenius

      While the authorities have their heads up their asses.

  • Jgg2012

    Can you imagine how much better the world would be if we just blindly accepted everything LRH said? Smoking is good for you, everyone should take Dianezene, etc.

  • monkeyknickers

    When I read excerpts by Hubbard, from Dianetics or anything else he’d written, I occasionally come-to and realize: jesus, this guy is totally just TALKING OUT HIS ASS. It’s meaningless. In the words of Christopher Hitchens (tho he was talking about Falwell at the time), Hubbard should rightly have been “out on the street, yelling and hollering with a cardboard sign and selling pencils from a cup.”

    As the child of a pathological liar, I can tell you – they make it up as they go along. There isn’t a whole bunch of forethought or planning. A general vision, a desire to be important and lauded maybe, but that’s it. The intervening time between lies is spent putting out fires or re-framing said lies so they seem 1) true and thus 2) carefully planned and ‘researched’ and intelligent. Or they are pre-emptively striking out at folks who might point out that they are . . . .. ridiculous. They are some of the most defensive, hostile, and hair-triggered people you’ll run across – they have to be, elsewise you might notice that they’re spewing nonsense . And they ABSOLUTELY rely on the good grace and manners of others to back down, or simply not call them out at all.

    The more I read . . . . I don’t think Hubbard had a master plan, aside from wanting people to notice him – no kind of Bobby Fisher like strategy thinking 239 moves ahead at all times, bending people to his will thanks to an impressive understanding of human nature.

    I think he was full of horseshit and insecurity. And then he just got “lucky”.


    Who’d take orders from a YuckMouth in a sailor costume unless they were WAY bamboozled by a pro fibber?

  • scnethics

    Vance explains how things are among scientologists so well.

    That video…that investigation…WOW! With a potential fraud of $166,000 per patient, I think insurance companies will be investigating all Narconons, right?

    • Ze Moo

      This is where all the shredding of documents is going to wack the cult. Without paperwork to prove the doctor ‘saw’ the patient, how are they going to prove the bill is legitimate? If they produce the paper, the fraud will be proven, if they don’t prove it, the bill is bogus.

  • mook

    on ESMB, Arnie Lerma reveals the Scientology connection to Ronnie Chasen’s still unsolved murder

  • SP ‘Onage

    The silly lies that come out of Mary Riesers mouth.

    “I’m telling you, I do not represent this as inpatient. How could I get away with that? Somebody comes in, they’re not going to see beds,” said Rieser.

    But state records showed 21 out of 28 patients told inspectors they were part of Narconon’s residential program. The housing portion cost patients $1,600 per month, and they were assigned four to an apartment in Duluth.

    “How could I get away with that?” You’re not going to get away with it, Mary. Insurance fraud is a VERY serious crime! Let me tell you why.

    Insurance fraud occurs when people deceive an insurance company in order to collect money to which they are not entitled. This particular fraud is a crime in all fifty states, and the majority of the states have established fraud bureaus to identify and investigate fraud incidents. In most states, fraudulent claims can be either a felony or a misdemeanor, depending on the nature and extent of the fraud committed. Certain types of fraud, such as health care fraud, are also crimes under federal law.
    Insurance companies can also commit fraud by improperly denying a policy holder or health care provider a benefit that is due.

    Fraudulent insurance claims affect society as a whole, not just insurance companies, and for that reason, it is punished harshly. According to the Coalition Against Insurance Fraud, fraud schemes steal at least 80 billion dollars per year in the United States. The costs are ultimately borne by policyholders and consumers, because insurance companies charge higher premiums to cover their losses from fraud. Individual and business premium rates go up, and businesses often pass along the increased costs to their consumers.

    Well, Mary and anyone else involved. Best thing for you to do is turn States witness and go into the Witness Protection program. Unless you think 10 years in jail sounds like a better plan.

    • Whoknew

      Omg. Please turn State Witness! Best case scenario for you! Witness protection program would be a dream compared to whatever you’re going through now, and will.

  • Scientia

    “I think the average [Scientologist] would concede that the error-free-computer analogy is a slight exaggeration because, afterall, LRH says that “absolutes are unobtainable.””

    This is not, for the most part, how churchies think unfortunately. In the Co$ absolutes aren’t just obtainable, they are easily obtainable – and it makes life incredibly simple (at the likely expense of compassion, a thirst for further knowledge and a deeper understanding of the world). The more “on board” one is with the church the more likely one thinks in black and white. “ALL illness is due to a PTS condition”. “The ONLY reason people give up is because of M/Us”. “People ONLY criticise because of their O/Ws”. “There is an EXACT state of being called ‘Clear'”. “Scientology is the ONLY workable route”, blah blah blah. The more zealous Hubbard grew, the more absolutistic his claims became. The church does not encourage members to see or think in shades of grey, especially within the SO. Grey is considered “doubt”. Or worse, namby pamby, panty-waist dilettantism. Logic, even the Hubbard kind (IVL) just doesn’t even compute.

    • John P.

      My favorite Hubbard absolute: In explaining why “touch assists” are the Most. Important. Medical. Discovery. Ever., Hubbard says, “Every single physical illness stems from a failure to communicate with the thing or area that is ill. When attention is withdrawn from an injured or ill body areas, [sic] so are circulation, nerve flows and energy.” HCOB 25, August 1987 Issue II. Yep, cancer, Alzheimers, everything else comes from blocked nerve flows. No such thing as germs, viruses, genetic predisposition, environmental toxins, or anything else that I vaguely recall reading on a couple of occasions might be involved.

      Medieval thinking again… this might as well have been the “four humors” model of disease that was the norm in the 14th century, despite the fact that we were well into the 20th century when he wrote that.

  • Isabella Cruise tries out purple hair, looks to have lost some weight and to be less nervous than during the last episode of the ongoing soap opera:

    • BuryTheNuts2

      She looks lovely. Me likes it.

  • Sidney18511

    Does anyone know if the insurance company can go after narconon, and bring their own court case?

    • The insurance company should be able to take them to court for fraud.

    • N. Graham

      Yes, happens all the time.

  • Hi there! You know? I’ve a question to ask…. I’ve been half-assed reading your postings re Dianetics…. where are the quotes or statements from people who use Scientology, yet are not affiliated with the church proper? It reads like a nose-thumbing, to me. I mean, are you really seeking journalistic integrity, or just elbowing the “church” in the ribs? There are broad statements that Scientologists believe one way or another… yet, I don’t necessarily believe that way, and I think there are more than a few of us who don’t. For example, the statement that Scientologists believe that if Mr. Hubbard says it’s true, then it’s true to us, no questions asked. Well, that’s not true for me. I work in nursing, and I use critical thinking every day. I have to see something to be true for myself for me to accept it as truth. I went Clear outside of the church, and am now reading Dianetics again. When the definitions of Clear are read in the context of their placement in the book, I believe I have those gains. If their taken out of context, not so much. It’s all about potentials… not absolutes. Then, there is the vernacular of the 40s and 50s to wade through. When I’m working on my Master’s degree, I’d like to create some experiments to see what’s actually happening in the brain during auditing. I know I am Clear, and I’d like to see if there is a physical difference in brain function. There have been some Buddhist monks (I believe) who agreed to brain scans while meditating. I don’t know why we haven’t done the same with auditing! It wouldn’t invalidate my understanding or experience at all if nothing were to happen, but I for one am extremely curious. Anyway, those are my $00.02. Enjoy the day! Bryan.

    • Truthiwant

      Hi Bryan, I see this is your first post, so welcome to the Bunker.
      You say you are Clear. I am intrigued by your statement “when the definitions of Clear are read in the context of their placement in the book, I believe I have those gains. If they’re taken out of context, not so much”. What do you mean by “taken out of context”?
      Having been a scientologist myself for many years and with a certain amount of experience in the subject, I can honestly say I have never met a Clear as defined by L. Ron Hubbard. Maybe you are the first one.
      People on this blog don’t tend to find Hubbard such an astounding person, so maybe the comments about Dianetics slightly reflect this.

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    NEWS ALERT from David Love in Canada: Narconon Victims – Government Class Action Possible

    “For any victims who were lured to any Narconon in Canada by this
    unrealistic success rate, there is an avenue of redress by filing a
    simple complaint to the Canada Competition Bureau for program fee
    refunds and compensation. The victim does not have to be a Canadian
    citizen. Patients from the USA and other countries who attended a
    Narconon in Canada qualify…. And not just for being lured to Narconon by the false success rate,
    but also not receiving the qualified and professional services that were
    promised is “False or Misleading Representations” under the Bureau’s

    Go Canada!

  • Kevin Hogan

    Did you guys for get, he had all this figured out before incarnated. He was budda right? I once heard on a tape that he spoke with God and he was a pretty nice fellow (Chuckle) and the the whole “congress.” laughs like they are all in on the joke. I watched recently on the TV that scientists are coming around to the idea that the universe wouldn’t exist if we didn’t observe it, didn’t the old man say that in the 60’s or something? I’m so confused!