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AUDIO: Full police interviews of Scientology spies and their stalking of Ron Miscavige Sr.

SilencerWe’ve been hearing some brief segments of the police interviews of the Scientology spies who were arrested in Wisconsin in 2013. Now, we have the full interrogations of Dwayne and Daniel Powell, who were being paid $10,000 a week to stalk Ron Miscavige Sr by his son, Scientology leader David Miscavige.

Ron escaped from Scientology’s secretive International Base in 2012 and he went to Virginia to stay with his son Ronnie Jr. Then he moved to Wisconsin to be closer to the family of his wife, Becky. He had no idea he was being surveilled so closely by his son’s private eyes.

Then, in 2013, the Powells were stopped by police and they were found to be in possession of an illegal silencer, a PVC tube for a rifle that was part of a considerable arsenal in their vehicle.

With Dwayne facing ten years in prison for the silencer, the Powells spilled their guts about who they were really working for and why. Through an intermediary, they said, they were actually working for David Miscavige and the Church of Scientology, and they were paid to watch Ron.

We’ve now obtained the interview with Daniel and Dwayne, in four parts. Give them a listen and let us know your favorite details.

Here’s Daniel Powell’s interview.

 

And now his father, Dwayne Powell, in three parts…

 

 

 

 
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Bonus photos from our tipsters

Denice Duff’s caption: “Representing the Volunteer Ministers as a first responder at the #mwvoad conference in Salt Lake City with Communications Chairman from Texas Nikki Beneke and government division of emergency management of Utah Joe Dougherty”

 
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Scientologists are using social media more than ever. Drop us a line if you spot them posting images to Instagram or Facebook!

 
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‘The Unbreakable Miss Lovely’ appearance dates

May 16, Santa Barbara Humanist Society (with Paulette Cooper), 3:00 pm
May 17, Center for Inquiry-West Los Angeles, 11 am, CFI Orange County (Costa Mesa), 4:30 pm (with Paulette Cooper)
May 20, San Diego (tentative)
May 22, San Francisco (with Jamie DeWolf and Paulette Cooper)

July 12, Washington DC, Center for Inquiry

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 20, 2015 at 10:20

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  • Diane

    LOL, that kid on the tape doesn’t miss much, does he?
    Kid: “Ya’ll are getting at that the church wants him hit. I can tell.”
    Cop: “A truck full of firearms will lead us in that direction, yes.”

  • Mockingbird

    I love when the cop says “What kind of dark secret world did you get yourself involved in with Scientology ?” . This should be edited and mixed for a song . It would be hilarious .

  • Guest

    Lively discussion today, juicy stuff. But I do suggest focusing on the “real enemy”. Judging and doxing the Powell clowns is pure distraction. Private investigation is unsavory work, but people do far worse for that kind of money. Specifically, David Miscavige does far worse. Keep reminding yourself that it is DM who continues to keep SO as slaves. It was DM who paid the Powells more than 250 Sea Org workers put together.

  • TheMirrorThetan

    That kid talks way to much in a police interview.
    He is too stupid to keep his mouth shut and say the minimum.
    Good luck them both getting much work after this.
    Stick your blood money toys up your arse too you dumb brainless stupid shit-head.

    • Scream Nevermore

      He’s going to have to sell his precious ‘toys’ after this, methinks.

      • TheMirrorThetan

        Good. And I hope they get to feel what it is like to be spied on and harassed by dodgy money hungry wanker investigators like themselves.

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        That whole thing happened in 2013. Who knows where them two PI’s are now. Unintentionally, they did us all a great service.

        • Scream Nevermore

          According to LinkdIn, there’s a Daniel Powell in Florida who claims to be a prophet – maybe he learned something from working for Scamatology??

          • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

            Lol! Nah, they probably opened a gun shop somewhere.

        • Victoria Pandora

          Dwayne’s FB page shows that he plays online gambling all day.
          He lists himself as retired.
          He posted a photo in March, of his new car and truck.
          The odd thing about the photo is how prominently the Oregon license plate was displayed.

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  • Hingle McCringleberry

    Hey Kids!!! Missed you all very much for the last week, but I’m now safely home from Star Wars Celebration Anaheim! I’ll have a bit more tomorrow, but suffice it to say that the new Galactic Empire (or, as they’re called in the new movie- The First Order) has done a WAY better job following the same Nazi blueprint that the Hubster set up for the Co$. LRH/Miscavige would be the shittiest Sith Lords ever!

    • Mymy88

      The Hubster! LOL… First time I’ve heard that one. Welcome back.

      • Hingle McCringleberry

        Thanks! It was a massively positive and fun experience, that I didn’t realize that I really needed after spending 40% of my daily internet time here for two+ years. I took two of my employees with me and we had a blast. These new movies are going to be off the chain, and I’m not just saying that as a massive star wars nerd.

        • Mymy88

          I’m looking forward to seeing what the great new catchy sayings and quotes will be from them. Exsqueeeeeze me lol.

          • Hingle McCringleberry

            My favorite part was the new droid- BB8. First, it’s a girl droid, which is neat, but it’s totally practical. Saw it with my own eyes. She’s smaller than R2, and the base is a sphere, with an R2 style head on top. She rolls around in an omnidirectional way with a series of magnets and ball bearings inside a separate sphere inside the main sphere. I got to look at the patent documents in the Jedi Lounge. Would absolutely not have believed it wasnt CGI if I hadn’t seen it, but sure enough! They’ll make a billion on the toys if they can mass produce it, so I guess that’s why they put the R&D money in. Too bad Davey has been caught up on semicolons. He could have really done something cool with that money. . .

        • Scream Nevermore

          I’m looking forward to seeing Han, Luke and Leia again – the new guys, not so much.

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    For the record, Neurotology Music Video – SNL had 1,333,007 views so far.

    • Mymy88

      Well good because it’s the funniest thing EVAAAAR! Wow, I’m still amazed at the stellar and amazing job they did. I sure would like to know who clued them in on everything and all the subtle things. That was so incredible. I wonder if it was a lurker or someone that actually participates in scilon critic blogs, especially this one!

  • anoni81b4u

    David Miscavige read this book!

    • Mymy88

      Does that mean something like taking the song out of childrens’ hearts? Or does it have something to do with snitching? Or am I so off base that I’m a idiot! lol

      • anoni81b4u

        “sing like a canary” is a saying used when a crime suspect gets scared and wont shut up!

        • Mymy88

          Oh okay. I remember hearing that referenced a lot in old GANGSTERr movies. Perfect reference lol.

  • Kristin Rawls

    John Travolta was on Letterman last night. He was not asked anything about Going Clear or Scientology, and he also carefully orchestrated the entire thing to make sure that didn’t happen. First, he cut off Dave and offered an “homage” to their friendship, and just gushed over how great he is. Then he made it known that his four and a half year old son was waiting backstage and listening to everything — and then Kelly Preston tried to bring him out and there was this whole kid drama…. It struck me as extremely manipulative, like he’d planned everything in advance to make sure he could control the conversation. And it’s not like Dave did much to combat this — he just fawned over Travolta’s 5 airplanes, but at the same time… I’m not sure what he could have done once it became clear that the kid was there. It was so disappointing, since that’s the first thing anyone should be asking these people if they invite them to their shows at all.

    • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

      It was PR control/safepointing, indeed. And it was obvious.

      • Kristin Rawls

        Yeah, embarrassingly obvious, I thought.

        • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

          Yes. I saw the part with his little boy.

          • Kristin Rawls

            The more I think about that, the worse it seems…using a small child as a shield against possible difficult questions.

            • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

              My impression too.

    • Miss Tia

      well he COULD have prevented having that happen in the first place—it is his show….it’s obvious he was okay with it….that’s seriously fucked up on his part…..he’s retiring, have some balls dave…..

      • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

        Good Morning, Tia.
        At least they squeezed in “I can see clearly now” tune when Travolta showed up.

      • Mymy88

        I agree.

      • Kristin Rawls

        Yeah, I thought that too, but I didn’t expect much from him.

    • Steve Bazemore

      I’m not surpirsed. When I found out there would be an appearance on letterman, I immediately forgot, and didn’t even look to sneek when letterman comes on as I knew he would NEVER embarrass Or challenge Travolta. No one will, his interviews are probably so carefully selected that neither him or Cruise will ever be put in a position to be asked about the charges in Going Clear, or anything negative about their so called religion. its my opinion they will go down with the sinking ship and take their knowledge, complicity and secrets with them until the day they die.

      • Kristin Rawls

        I think you’re right. I can imagine Stephen Colbert doing it, but probably not once he’s at the helm of this particular show.

    • Juicer77

      Dave is on auto-pilot until retirement. And was before, if you ask me. When he had any guest on younger than age 50, he would ask grampy-type questions and look around the room or at his notes while they answered. Stunningly awful.

      • Kristin Rawls

        Yeah, it seems that way. I hardly ever watch the show, but I wanted to see Amy Schumer, so I DVRed this time. And I was hoping he’d say something since they did have a couple of jokes about Scientology after Going Clear. But it was definitely a cowardly exchange on both sides.

  • http://www.tonyortega.org/ DodoTheLaser

    I miss Howdy and he liked this song. Also, where is Baby?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYd57rkvnpQ

  • Jonathan Cummings

    Damn you for publishing this today. It is almost 4 in the morning and I cannot stop listening to these police interviews! If Scientologists cannot see what a paranoid psychopath their dear leader is than I guess only video of David M beating the shit out of a Sea Org member will convince them of his evilness!

    • Steve Bazemore

      Lmaoo I feel ya

      • Jonathan Cummings

        4:33 AM Still listening…..

  • Steve Bazemore

    Love how Dwayne Powell said that Ron miscavige is simple minded and he’s making sure no ex members or news outlets are taking advantage of him… That he’s being followed for his own good… Interesting.

  • Kristin Rawls

    “Can I talk to my dad [so we can get our story straight]?” Oh yeah, this seems completely legitimate.

  • Kristin Rawls

    “In Florida, you can’t get firearms. It’s so hard to get firearms…” Um… FLORIDA. This kid sounds like a genius.

  • Steve Bazemore

    In the last audio file, Dwayne Powell seems worried that if he gives police access to his phone that he will lose his (very lucrative) job with the “reps” and that he will never work again for giving up confidential information. I’d be interested to know now that the news of what happened is out AND now that the complete audio of his interrogation is out as well, if he has been able to work in his field, or what is his status? Obviously, they let him off easily as per the previous articles concerning these people, but where are they now? Wonder if HE is being followed now?

    • Peggy oh!

      He let his PI license expire after the incident, according to the LA times article. Now that this is big news, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if powells sr and jr end up in a shooting “accident.”

  • Kristin Rawls

    I’m very impressed with these particular cops’ interrogations, and the fact that they don’t come across as even a little bit intimidated by any of this. It’s nice when Scientology gets caught doing something shady far away from California, where fewer people give a fuck about the church’s intimidation tactics. And I have to imagine that, as people with the same skills as these guys, these cops are also thinking, “What the actual fuck?” when they hear about these ridiculous wages. You know, as city or municipal employees.

    In the recording: “My dad is like my best friend.” How heartwarming, these two.

  • Kristin Rawls

    The son says, “The owner of Scientology is David Miscavige.” That’s an interesting way of referring to a religious body, now, isn’t it? Businesses have owners, but can you imagine saying, “The Pope is the owner of Christianity”?

  • Kristin Rawls

    Talking up how his father wanted to call 911, as if this is a shining testimony to his strength of character. You know, wanting to do what anyone else would do if someone is actually having a heart attack in their midst.

  • Jonathan Cummings

    Even the PI knows when asked by the cops is Scientology a religion or corporation he says corporation! Come on IRS!

  • Jonathan Cummings

    ‘Oh my God” Dwayne says knowing the 10 g’s a week are going to be gone now that the police know who is client is! The cops are not being paranoid either.

    • Kristin Rawls

      It’s $10,000 a week, not month. And yeah, it doesn’t sound like these guys have saved much money. Because they “like to collect things.”

  • Jonathan Cummings

    Dwayne forgot that when you dance with the devil (David Miscavige) you get burned! It is just a matter of time. I do not feel bad for him because he knew what he was doing and who he was working for.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      Taking money from the cult leader who has the power of the purse that spreads wealth (dupes’ money) on the PIs, it’s a really sad comment on one of society’s “money flows.”

      From cult dupes’ pockets to PIs via a paranoid cult leader worried and deluded that his reputation can be protected.

      The cult dupes’ money gravy train for PIs!

      The money ought go back to the poor dupes is what I concluded, not to PIs and lawyers protecting the cults continued duping the public who are so duped they might never wise up.

  • Kristin Rawls

    Dwayne doesn’t seem to know which of his guns are loaded or not. GUN SAFETY, people — keep a running tally of which guns are loaded, oh my god… Especially if you’re driving them around with you across the country.

    • Kay

      Yup….I found that sort of astonishing myself. Not only did he not know which of his guns were loaded, or how many he had, he also was going to give a fake gun that looked very real to his 16 year old son. That is how some kids get shot by cops…they have real looking phony guns. What a doofus this guy is, truly. He shouldn’t even be allowed to own a gun.

  • Kristin Rawls

    Seriously, though, it’s pretty amazing to hear both of them talking about how hard it is to get guns when they’re residents of one of the states where it’s easiest to get guns in a country where it’s much easier to get guns than most…

  • Kristin Rawls

    “Oh god, I never realized how bad it looks, [to have this giant cache of weapons] in my car.” Okay, Dwayne, you dumbass — I don’t know if I can finish listening to this. I figure he’s probably playing dumb on purpose, but JESUS…

  • Kristin Rawls

    This cop cracks me up: “What kind of super dark world IS this that you’ve got yourself involved in? Scientology… Tom Cruise…”

  • Kristin Rawls

    Cop: [sighs loudly] “In our general discussions, let’s just use the term weird. This whole thing is just weird.”

    • Ardent

      Loved it!

  • Kristin Rawls

    DING DING DING!!! Cop: “Kind of similar in structure to a drug organization, you’ve got the big guy at the top and a lot of filters in between. You know what I mean? I would even be willing to say that maybe there’s crap going on here that you’re not even aware of.”

    Edit: I really like this cop in particular. I hope someone who hears this takes him out to dinner. He just gets straight down to it.

    • Ardent

      Yeah, that was an amazing moment. I wonder if Dwayne suddenly had a light-bulb appear over his noggin? And Dwayne had already had that disturbing call from David Miscavige regarding David’s father. Perhaps he finally realized that his plum job of tailing and 80-year-old man was suddenly much less pointless and far more nasty than he had thought?

  • Kristin Rawls

    Anyone else notice how deeply concerned Daniel is about Dwayne’s well-being, while Dwayne is mostly worried about what happens to himself? I realize he faced much more serious charges, but it still seems pretty telling.

    • Ardent

      Kirsten, I did hear Dwayne worry aloud to the detectives that his son would be upset and concerned about his health. I think he mentioned this twice, and wanted to be sure they got in touch with Daniel to let him know he was OK.

  • lmnop

    “…gps tracking is legal as long as you put it on in a public place… as far as I know…”
    I wonder if this is true

    • screwsci

      they tracked themselves….I suppose that data was transmitted to their client?

  • lmnop

    This is going to make my question for Congressman Brad Sherman at tonight’s town hall meeting by phone about getting a congressional investigation to revoke the tax exempt status of the church very strong now that I can point to these recordings being made public, especially where they discuss this team of PIs getting $250K/year to follow his dad and other teams assigned to different people who might speak out against the church (time code 35:30). Also, what about former members’ first amendment rights?

    I hope I get to ask, wish me luck! Still have to formulate my question….

    • Peggy oh!

      Last I checked there were 52 weeks in a year so over a half million to follow Ron Sr. And this doesn’t count the extra PIs or the pay to Roeffler

  • lmnop

    Took some notes, noticed Tony said he hadn’t had a chance to listen, maybe these loose time codes and notes could be helpful:
    Tape 1 Daniel Powell (son)

    22:32

    If we lose this job we’ll lose everything we have.
    our cars
    We’re collectors

    I have a monster truck

    5 third generation cameros

    a corvet
    2 motorcycles

    2 houses

    with our bills the way they are

    police officer
    our concern is that we have a hit man stalking someone

    why are there a bunch of license plates in the car from different states
    steal front plates from rental cars

    silencer
    guns

    31:00

    been working for the church 7, 8 or 9 years

    33:30
    I don’t want to know much about it, I don’t want to know if I’m doing something wrong

    35:30
    there are different teams of PIs on different people

    36:30
    where do you think the money comes from? Tom Cruise, he’s pretty much funding all of this

    37:40
    David’s dad having heart attach story, if he dies, he dies, don’t intervene. let him die story

    40:50
    just you guys quarter a million a year

    Dwayne Powell tape 1
    5:30
    you’re in custody for obstructing,
    6:25
    been PIing 5-6 years
    7:25
    reads rights
    8:05
    what’s with the guns in the car
    8:40
    7mm rifle
    22 rifle
    9:00
    magazines for other rifles
    9:25
    22 has flash suppressor, strictly a flash suppressor
    10:05
    who made the white suppressor, that you’re calling it
    10:55
    several baffling within the pvc
    12:00
    what other weapons do you have in the car
    22 smith and wesson
    glock 9mm
    7mm rifle
    usually kept the rounds on the sash
    don’t know if rifles were loaded
    doesn’t remember if glock was loaded
    15:10
    rented that car for a month
    son has his own vehicle, a nissan suv charcoal rental
    16:00
    was looking for houses in neighborhood, trying to figure out where they’re going to land, looking to buy it for myself to live close to my subjects
    16:36
    are we at PI work where you buy a house by yourself
    they told me to find something close, to rent or buy
    17:40
    I’m not a terrorist
    18:00
    I only do corporate work, say the president of coca cola resigns, I make sure he’s not going to work for pepsi cola
    18:39
    I’m hired to protect trade secrets
    sometimes I follow people until their dead
    The company I work for is huge
    19:10
    That’s for a steep price
    19:24
    repetive pictures of a little old man,
    looking at the houses in the neighborhood, making sure he wasn’t paying too much
    20:15
    I’m to take care of the old man
    recording off record end of tape

    Dwayne Powell Part 2
    1:00 do you usually travel armed?
    yes, but only for target shooting

    1:20
    only working 1 PI case right now

    1:57
    if your job ended today, where would you go home? Tennessee, but currently moving to Florida
    address of tennessee home and mother’s address too during remodel, waynesborough
    4:00
    You have a hotel room in Gainesborough, why do you carry all these guns around? Don’t want to leave in the hotel room
    pitbulls in the hotel room

    5:20
    can we go into the hotel room to make sure there’s nothing else to be concerned about?
    just let me call him first, don’t want to freak out my son

    6:10
    we’ve had two mass shooting in the state since august 2012

    6:50
    why gasoline in the orange juice bottle? to remove glue from velcro strips on dash
    orange juice bottles are designed for acid

    7:39
    you’ve got magnetic tracking devices? We track ourselves

    9:25
    looking for houses for myself via the client

    9:50
    the other PI FIRM (terry roford) he works for, the ones hired by the client, Terry __________

    10:25
    son daniel’s cell phone number, forgot it

    11:25
    super dark secret world you got yourself involved in, Scientology, Tom Cruise

    11:55
    our concern is a year from now someone is going to say that we didn’t …

    12:20
    signing something

    13:15
    i want to straighten this out, I don’t want you to think I’m a terrorist
    end of tape

    Dwayne Powell Part 3
    We have your cell phones, need passwords, have a lot of confidential stuff on them

    00:45
    the subject doesn’t know he’s being followed, you originally said that you were following this person for his own good. Why don’t you tell us straight up why you’re following this person. make sure he’s not embarrassing your client?
    ex-members are trying to make friends with him, trying to draw him away from my client

    2:28
    why it’s necessary to have the trackers

    2:50
    do you have listening devices currently where he is residing? yes.
    What’s the purpose of that?
    ??? not sure what was said here

    4:45
    you pulled the trash here? yes. who do you ship it to? no one, I just keep it

    5:15
    what is BP? Battle Plan.

    5:30
    find a house for $100K and buy it
    becky wants a more expensive house
    becky’s last name is miscaviage, they are legally married (to ron, dave’s dad)

    6:40
    this has been my sole case… I started in April?

    7:15
    this whole thing is weird, as this is laid out to you as a job, what’s your take on it? The pay is good. About $10K per week, includes expenses

    8:00
    I take care of my family, have less than $1,000 in bank. Sometimes Terry pays me right away, sometimes he stretches it out.

    8:35

    9:00
    Scientology is a corporation

    10:05
    to an outsider, it’s look like you’ve been hired… dog barking… the face of it, you have all these firearms, following this person for last year plus, that’s your entire job, put trackers on his vehicle, follow him all around. we wouldn’t be doing our jobs,… is it that far fetched that if he steps out of line that you’ll pull the trigger?
    that’s why we’re asking for the passwords to your phones
    we don’t know you

    12:10
    oh, god guys, I completely understand

    12:24
    we’re not going to be looking at your contacts and calling them, we want to verify that there’s nothing sinister afoot, why you’re following this guy

    12:55
    oh my god, (heavy sigh)

    13:30
    you got to trust us here.

    13:49
    do you think, let’s say, the old man decides to open a church of his own and you report back and his son finds out about it, they’re spending a whole lot of money to keep eyeballs on him all the time, if they think he’s threatening them, they’re not going to have you shoot him?
    No, they would never do that.

    15:02
    But you don’t know the client, there is a middle-man between you and the client.
    Have you ever talked to David?
    Roffle hires you, attorney hires roffle,
    Kind of similar in structure to a drug org, big guy at top and lots of filters in-between
    Maybe there’s crap going on here that you’re not even aware of
    Are you being pawned yourself?
    This case has become your life, right?

    16:10
    this is the first decent paying job I’ve ever had, from nothing to having a career
    was previously a fire fighter, paramedic in Florida, paid emt, volunteer firefighter

    17:10
    passwords to your phone? Dwayne struggles with this.

    17:50
    agrees to give passwords to phone

    18:23
    I’ll give them to you

    19:20
    this is going to ruin me… i’ll never work again… confidential texts back and forth, who I talk to

    19:59
    what discussions concern you?

    20:15
    We don’t publish,… if there’s no crime

    21:54
    we don’t have to release anything as long as a case is open

    22:20
    we assume the worst and de-escalte from there, we have to prove that youre not doing what it looks like you’re doing.

    23:25
    what is scienology’s concern that he’s doing anything? Why that amount of money and resources? What could he possibly be doing that could cause scientology harm?

    24:10
    just supposed to report back, what he does and who he talks to, just supposed to plant friends to lead him in a positive direction.

    24:50
    that’s why they wanted me to buy a house near him

    25:22
    they wanted me to find someone, they wanted to use me on another case

    26:00
    what are they so worried about, what are they so paranoid about?

    26:40
    password? still thinking about it?

    27:45
    so you and son were surveiling him?

    28:34
    knowing what we know now, what happens if Ron one day is found dead somewhere because somebody caused his death intentionally? What happens?
    obviously it’s law enforcements charge to find out what happened
    in his case… inevitably it would come back to this whole scientology mess… so anyone involved with anything as it pertains to ron ends up on a suspect list, is that somewhere that you would want to be? Why would they want to spend this amount of resource?

    30:25
    a father and son would normally want to communicate wih one another conventially?
    I ask you again, are you in the middle of something that you’re not even aware of?
    I don’t think so.
    But you don’t really know, you know you’re getting paid $10K a week

    32:00
    questions aobut house and realtor, following target and realtor around

    33:45
    so you followed him from whitewater today…. then to realtor’s house, then client went a different way? Who then followed your subject?
    so you have times where you haven’t fully followed him?

    35:05
    Danielle is on his way here, he just wants to confirm you’re ok.
    did you tell him to leave his gun in his truck? why would he bring a gun into a police station? he can get a little hysterical.

    36:15
    That’s definitely a possibility and one that we would welcome, you’re telling us that you mean the subject no harm is comforting, but in law enforcement we have to verify everything, we have to check all of your communications with the people who hired you to make sure there aren’t any coded messages, that there aren’t any indications of violence toward him, it would relieve a lot of our anxienty.

    37:05
    don’t you think that if we called who hired you, it would blow you out of the water entirely? This is an easier way of verifying (access to his cell phones) without actually communicating with anybody.

    37:45
    please ignore how many girlfriends I have.
    we’re not the girlfriend police

    38:06
    I have specialized training in firearms, that pvc pipe has all the marks of a silencer, has all the earmarks….
    (denies it’s a silencer) For you to say that it’s actually louder, I find that hard to believe
    (Keeps denying it’s a silencer) police say they will test it and measure loudness

    40:25
    we have to agree to disagree, that is not designed to be a flash suppressor

    41:00
    I’m just a PI guys

    41:22
    when did you get these firearms (answers)

    42:45
    dick krause discussion, he’s a farmer, owns a restaurant, eat there alot, go out there to shoot

    46:10
    did ron ever notice you were following him (points out he’s seen him in different states)

    46:40
    I’m just a PI guys, I’m not a terrorist….

    46:50
    when we look at the commications, what kind of communications?
    they ask me who he talks to
    Do they ask you to put a tracker on him, is that something that you do without being told to?
    yes.

    47:44
    they send in other people to intervene
    have you seen them intervene
    yes

    48:25
    so he’s on the run?
    no, he’s not on the run, he talks to david his son all the time

    50:00
    what am I being charged with?
    I guess you’re trying to force a hand…
    what charges am I looking at
    that’s kind of pre-emptive too… more discussion about they have to verify

    51:40
    looking at drivers license, dwayne scott reed, what the back of it?…
    just stuck it on there so I could get into the protest
    why did you get a credit card in that name?
    that’s just a under cover name that I use.
    How did you get a credit card in that name?
    I just added it as an additional user

    53:25
    please eat something….
    if I eat something, I’m going to throw up

    53:50
    what states were you travelling?
    California, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Virginia, Wisconsin
    this has been going on how long?
    a year plus

    55:40
    how many days do you estimate those guns have been in your car
    I send stuff home and they bring stuff back to me all the time

    56:30
    you had five guns in your car, it’s not something you can forget

    58:35
    come on guys please? i’m just a PI…
    end of tape

  • lmnop

    Dwayne Powell tape 1
    5:30
    you’re in custody for obstructing,
    6:25
    been PI-ing 5-6 years
    7:25
    reads rights
    8:05
    what’s with the guns in the car
    8:40
    7mm rifle
    22 rifle
    9:00
    magazines for other rifles
    9:25
    22 has flash suppressor, strictly a flash suppressor
    10:05
    who made the white suppressor, that you’re calling it
    10:55
    several baffling within the pvc
    12:00
    what other weapons do you have in the car
    22 smith and wesson
    glock 9mm
    7mm rifle
    usually kept the rounds on the sash
    don’t know if rifles were loaded
    doesn’t remember if glock was loaded
    15:10
    rented that car for a month
    son has his own vehicle, a nissan suv charcoal rental
    16:00
    was looking for houses in neighborhood, trying to figure out where they’re going to land, looking to buy it for myself to live close to my subjects
    16:36
    are we at PI work where you buy a house by yourself
    they told me to find something close, to rent or buy
    17:40
    I’m not a terrorist
    18:00
    I only do corporate work, say the president of coca cola resigns, I make sure he’s not going to work for pepsi cola
    18:39
    I’m hired to protect trade secrets
    sometimes I follow people until their dead
    The company I work for is huge
    19:10
    That’s for a steep price
    19:24
    repetitive pictures of a little old man,
    looking at the houses in the neighborhood, making sure he wasn’t paying too much
    20:15
    I’m to take care of the old man
    recording off record end of tape

  • lmnop

    Dwayne Powell Part 2
    1:00 do you usually travel armed?
    yes, but only for target shooting

    1:20
    only working 1 PI case right now

    1:57
    if your job ended today, where would you go home? Tennessee, but currently moving to Florida
    address of tennessee home and mother’s address too during remodel, waynesborough
    4:00
    You have a hotel room in Gainesborough, why do you carry all these guns around? Don’t want to leave in the hotel room
    pitbulls in the hotel room

    5:20
    can we go into the hotel room to make sure there’s nothing else to be concerned about?
    just let me call him first, don’t want to freak out my son

    6:10
    we’ve had two mass shooting in the state since august 2012

    6:50
    why gasoline in the orange juice bottle? to remove glue from velcro strips on dash
    orange juice bottles are designed for acid

    7:39
    you’ve got magnetic tracking devices? We track ourselves

    9:25
    looking for houses for myself via the client

    9:50
    the other PI FIRM (terry roford) he works for, the ones hired by the client, Terry __________

    10:25
    son daniel’s cell phone number, forgot it

    11:25
    super dark secret world you got yourself involved in, Scientology, Tom Cruise

    11:55
    our concern is a year from now someone is going to say that we didn’t …

    12:20
    signing something

    13:15
    i want to straighten this out, I don’t want you to think I’m a terrorist
    end of tape

  • lmnop

    Dwayne Powell Part 3
    We have your cell phones, need passwords, have a lot of confidential stuff on them

    00:45
    the subject doesn’t know he’s being followed, you originally said that you were following this person for his own good. Why don’t you tell us straight up why you’re following this person. make sure he’s not embarrassing your client?
    ex-members are trying to make friends with him, trying to draw him away from my client

    2:28
    why it’s necessary to have the trackers

    2:50
    do you have listening devices currently where he is residing? yes.
    What’s the purpose of that?
    ??? not sure what was said here

    4:45
    you pulled the trash here? yes. who do you ship it to? no one, I just keep it

    5:15
    what is BP? Battle Plan.

    5:30
    find a house for $100K and buy it
    becky wants a more expensive house
    becky’s last name is miscaviage, they are legally married (to ron, dave’s dad)

    6:40
    this has been my sole case… I started in April?

    7:15
    this whole thing is weird, as this is laid out to you as a job, what’s your take on it? The pay is good. About $10K per week, includes expenses

    8:00
    I take care of my family, have less than $1,000 in bank. Sometimes Terry pays me right away, sometimes he stretches it out.

    8:35

    9:00
    Scientology is a corporation

    10:05
    to an outsider, it’s look like you’ve been hired… dog barking… the face of it, you have all these firearms, following this person for last year plus, that’s your entire job, put trackers on his vehicle, follow him all around. we wouldn’t be doing our jobs,… is it that far fetched that if he steps out of line that you’ll pull the trigger?
    that’s why we’re asking for the passwords to your phones
    we don’t know you

    12:10
    oh, god guys, I completely understand

    12:24
    we’re not going to be looking at your contacts and calling them, we want to verify that there’s nothing sinister afoot, why you’re following this guy

    12:55
    oh my god, (heavy sigh)

    13:30
    you got to trust us here.

    13:49
    do you think, let’s say, the old man decides to open a church of his own and you report back and his son finds out about it, they’re spending a whole lot of money to keep eyeballs on him all the time, if they think he’s threatening them, they’re not going to have you shoot him?
    No, they would never do that.

    15:02
    But you don’t know the client, there is a middle-man between you and the client.
    Have you ever talked to David?
    Roffle hires you, attorney hires roffle,
    Kind of similar in structure to a drug org, big guy at top and lots of filters in-between
    Maybe there’s crap going on here that you’re not even aware of
    Are you being pawned yourself?
    This case has become your life, right?

    16:10
    this is the first decent paying job I’ve ever had, from nothing to having a career
    was previously a fire fighter, paramedic in Florida, paid emt, volunteer firefighter

    17:10
    passwords to your phone? Dwayne struggles with this.

    17:50
    agrees to give passwords to phone

    18:23
    I’ll give them to you

    19:20
    this is going to ruin me… i’ll never work again… confidential texts back and forth, who I talk to

    19:59
    what discussions concern you?

    20:15
    We don’t publish,… if there’s no crime

    21:54
    we don’t have to release anything as long as a case is open

    22:20
    we assume the worst and de-escalte from there, we have to prove that youre not doing what it looks like you’re doing.

    23:25
    what is scienology’s concern that he’s doing anything? Why that amount of money and resources? What could he possibly be doing that could cause scientology harm?

    24:10
    just supposed to report back, what he does and who he talks to, just supposed to plant friends to lead him in a positive direction.

    24:50
    that’s why they wanted me to buy a house near him

    25:22
    they wanted me to find someone, they wanted to use me on another case

    26:00
    what are they so worried about, what are they so paranoid about?

    26:40
    password? still thinking about it?

    27:45
    so you and son were surveiling him?

    28:34
    knowing what we know now, what happens if Ron one day is found dead somewhere because somebody caused his death intentionally? What happens?
    obviously it’s law enforcements charge to find out what happened
    in his case… inevitably it would come back to this whole scientology mess… so anyone involved with anything as it pertains to ron ends up on a suspect list, is that somewhere that you would want to be? Why would they want to spend this amount of resource?

    30:25
    a father and son would normally want to communicate wih one another conventially?
    I ask you again, are you in the middle of something that you’re not even aware of?
    I don’t think so.
    But you don’t really know, you know you’re getting paid $10K a week

    32:00
    questions aobut house and realtor, following target and realtor around

    33:45
    so you followed him from whitewater today…. then to realtor’s house, then client went a different way? Who then followed your subject?
    so you have times where you haven’t fully followed him?

    35:05
    Danielle is on his way here, he just wants to confirm you’re ok.
    did you tell him to leave his gun in his truck? why would he bring a gun into a police station? he can get a little hysterical.

    36:15
    That’s definitely a possibility and one that we would welcome, you’re telling us that you mean the subject no harm is comforting, but in law enforcement we have to verify everything, we have to check all of your communications with the people who hired you to make sure there aren’t any coded messages, that there aren’t any indications of violence toward him, it would relieve a lot of our anxienty.

    37:05
    don’t you think that if we called who hired you, it would blow you out of the water entirely? This is an easier way of verifying (access to his cell phones) without actually communicating with anybody.

    37:45
    please ignore how many girlfriends I have.
    we’re not the girlfriend police

    38:06
    I have specialized training in firearms, that pvc pipe has all the marks of a silencer, has all the earmarks….
    (denies it’s a silencer) For you to say that it’s actually louder, I find that hard to believe
    (Keeps denying it’s a silencer) police say they will test it and measure loudness

    40:25
    we have to agree to disagree, that is not designed to be a flash suppressor

    41:00
    I’m just a PI guys

    41:22
    when did you get these firearms (answers)

    42:45
    dick krause discussion, he’s a farmer, owns a restaurant, eat there alot, go out there to shoot

    46:10
    did ron ever notice you were following him (points out he’s seen him in different states)

    46:40
    I’m just a PI guys, I’m not a terrorist….

    46:50
    when we look at the commications, what kind of communications?
    they ask me who he talks to
    Do they ask you to put a tracker on him, is that something that you do without being told to?
    yes.

    47:44
    they send in other people to intervene
    have you seen them intervene
    yes

    48:25
    so he’s on the run?
    no, he’s not on the run, he talks to david his son all the time

    50:00
    what am I being charged with?
    I guess you’re trying to force a hand…
    what charges am I looking at
    that’s kind of pre-emptive too… more discussion about they have to verify

    51:40
    looking at drivers license, dwayne scott reed, what the back of it?…
    just stuck it on there so I could get into the protest
    why did you get a credit card in that name?
    that’s just a under cover name that I use.
    How did you get a credit card in that name?
    I just added it as an additional user

    53:25
    please eat something….
    if I eat something, I’m going to throw up

    53:50
    what states were you travelling?
    California, Florida, Illinois, Indiana, Virginia, Wisconsin
    this has been going on how long?
    a year plus

    55:40
    how many days do you estimate those guns have been in your car
    I send stuff home and they bring stuff back to me all the time

    56:30
    you had five guns in your car, it’s not something you can forget

    58:35
    come on guys please? i’m just a PI…
    end of tape

    • screwsci

      interesting that he used the word “target” at 32.17

      • Ardent

        Both he and the cops use ‘target’. I really think that’s PI – speak for the person under surveillance.

        • richelieu jr

          When I did it, in the 80s for a couple of week, the term was ‘mark’ like in con jobs…

  • Ardent

    Just about through the first interview with sonny-boy. I have never been so creeped-out in real life before. This is chilling and utterly disturbing. Scientology is an evil, evil organization.

  • valshifter

    A crook working for a crook!
    Why sooooooooooo may guns, why so many license plates, why the silencer, the gasoline bottle, low end hotels. I would love to see those emails, the reports to the king pin. He describes scientology as “A CORPORATION”, obviously when he was hired the middle men most to have told him who was he working for….. “a corporation” no mention of a church at all.

    • Victoria Pandora

      Yeah, the father by way of explaining said he mostly did corporate work. Like if a Pepsi executive retired, Coke might have him followed.
      I like how that one cops imagination went so far as to ask; “So, what if Ron showed up dead one day, what would you do?”
      I think if nothing the else that officer was very suspicious of Dwayne’s client.

      • Ardent

        That was my reaction, too. I think the detective is very intelligent. He has surmised he’s dealing with a pawn (he even says so in a question) and was quite obviously suspicious of the client, far more than the PI.
        But the guns…Weird. On the other hand I don’t really think these guys were hired to kill Miscavige senior. I think they’re just gun-happy nit-wits.

    • Ardent

      I believe the gasoline bottle story. That actually makes sense to me. The guns I am having increasing difficulty with.

  • Kay

    I am rather fascinated that DM would hire two P.I.’s who, according to the father’s audio interrogation tape, had never worked as P.I.’s before. You would think he would hire experienced private investigators since he was forking over so much money to guard himself against potentially catastrophic leaks per his own father. For that much money, he could have hired any P.I. in the country, or since he’s so greedy, he could have just used his own P.I.s who are scientologists and paid them Sea Org wages. The reason they got arrested is due to amateurish behavior, i.e. traveling with an arsenal, owning a silencer, (LOL at the “flash suppressor explanation) and skulking around a neighborhood so obviously that someone called the cops. Of course, I am enjoying the fact that they did, because this is a great story that will never go away. Those interrogation tapes can never be refuted, although I’m sure CoS will try. Like many other posters, I was disgusted with these “P.I.s” whining over losing their lucrative income and subsequently their many vehicles and toys…all paid for by violating the civil rights and privacy of an elderly man.

    • Scairp

      I’m sure they looked for people exactly like these two clowns. They would never engage anyone with brains to do this kind of underhanded, malevolent activity. I can’t imagine anyone with any brains would do what they did and then act like they’re just caught up something bigger than themselves.

      • Ardent

        Agreed. The misery and fear in Dwayne’s voice convince me that he, at least, was never in contention as a hit-man.
        “Guys, I swear, I am not a terrorist.” Ah, Dwayne, that’ll teach you to drive around with so many weapons in your car, skulk around houses, etc..

      • richelieu jr

        You guys are missing the bigger picture. They get seen, bigger pro takes out dad with a high powered rifle with a silencer and then guess who gets picked up with same?

        If they’d only kept their mouths shut, that man might be dead and they’d be looking at Life at best, as they been seen with the exact means the guy was killed with on such-and-such a date.

        This isn’t someone hiring the 3 Stooges to chase ghosts out of their apartment here.

        • Peggy oh!

          Exactly!

    • richelieu jr

      I think you are making the mistake of assuming that Thing 1 and Thing 2 where the only ones watching.

      Sound like couple of Oswaldian Fall-Guys to me.

      • Kay

        hmmm….quite possible.

  • Ardent

    Well, I just got through it. the misery in Dwayne’s voice was so complete. In my opinion, the silencer was most likely the dumb-ass ‘cool idea’ that he and his son came up with regarding the .22 rifle. I believe them when they say they like shooting, too.
    I think they probably had those cops convinced pretty early on that they were not a hit-squad. My impression was that the detectives fastened on to their client and the bizarre amount of money and effort being spent to spy on a old man.
    Of course the arsenal was distressing, and as they said, they had to really look into that. However, the real interest seemed to develop over the intent of the surveillance. It was a good ploy to ask Dwayne what would happen if Miscavige’s dad showed up murdered one day. Who would be on the suspect list? No wonder Dwayne gave up on the mobile phone codes.
    The entire episode displays very well that sordid and relentless side of the cult and its’ leader, David Miscavige.

    I have come to the conclusion, and I wonder who else feels this way, that David Miscavige is insane. I do not mean la la la la insane, I mean ‘functionally’ mad. There is something profoundly wrong about the man.

    • Kay

      I agree with you. I don’t think these P.I.s are dangerous…I just think they are dumb. Miscavage is evil, dangerous, and seemingly devoid of any conscience. That makes him scary.

    • Skabetti

      True. I think extreme narcissism like DM’s makes people act in crazy ways, first because they believe they’re above it all and second, because they’ll take an insane risk to cover their asses. Sci-fi-entology is a house of cards these days.

    • richelieu jr

      Ardent you are far too smart to have only ‘just’ come tot his conclusion.

      • Ardent

        Thanks. Yeah, I just didn’t want to hop up and down yelling: Loony! Loony!
        I’m too polite sometimes, I guess.

  • Skabetti

    Officer: “Are you a member of this group?”
    Powell: “You’d never get me to go near them.”
    Officer: “Is Scientology a religion?”
    Powell: “It’s a corporation.”

    • richelieu jr

      Interesting how those with only tangential experience of the ‘church’ understand it better than 99.999% or OTVIIIs..

  • Skabetti

    There’s so much incriminating collateral damage here. “Don’t mention all my girlfriends,” and “Becky is taking advantage of Ron. She wants to spend his money on marital assets so the kids can’t get his money when he dies.” Part of the entertainment value also is that the main police questioner sounds like John Goodman. I wish the recordings were longer!

  • Bert Allen

    I think lies were told regarding the collection of phone calls and emails. You can’t conduct surveillance of someone by repeatedly pulling up next to them or standing over his shoulder without being made.

  • Tory Christman

    OMG! Thanks, Tony for posting this! WOW. My favorite is Police: We’ve been talking to your father. …We’ve been talking, He’s laid out details to us of what he’s doing, why, for who”.

    Son: “This is confidential and he won’t be telling anyone what, why or for who”. LOL Ok :) If he does…we get sued.
    Police: First off: You’re not calling SHIT here.
    Son: Whose he working for?

    Police: C of $ via PI retained by attorney who is attained by “David” (Miscavige)
    Kid: I’ve been worried about my Dad all day.

    Police: The Information you give us is not going to be broadcast anywhere”
    Kid: Ok, I can tell you what you’ve seen are collectables.
    Police: What firearms do you know of.
    Kid: 22 and 22 assault riffle.
    Police: continues…….Do you remember the white tube. He said you know about that. Kid: No I don’t. Police: He said you know…what is that designed to do? You’re a gun fan…that’s what concerns me. It suppresses sound.

    “What about the white one (gun)…what does that sound like?” Kid: “Nothing”. (Silencer). Police: “So we have guys following an old guy around, and they have a silencer. And he doesn’t know he’s being followed. That’s why we’re involved”. JEESH, “dave” FTF?

  • outraged

    I don’t understand how a police interview can be made public. Is this common?

    • outraged

      Finally listened to all four videos.

      These cops are spot on. They have no illusions about the cult even though they have no clue what the hell Scientology is all about.

      “..like a drug organization, big guy at the top, filters in between.”
      “This whole thing is crazy.”
      “What could he [Ron] possibly do that would cause him [David] harm?”
      “Is this an organization of paranoia?”
      “What happens if Ron is found dead somewhere and someone caused his death intentionally.”
      “A father and son would normally communicate with one another conventionally. They apparently do not have that kind of relationship.”
      “Are you in the middle of something you are not even aware of?”

      This is the last thing in the world that Miscavige would want to go public. He must have busted up someone or something. Also hard not to wonder what has happened to Dwayne & Daniel after this audio aired.

  • missing in action

    Now I want to know what Farrakhan is gong to do.

  • Gregory Judkins

    Derek…quit the Q and A and get back on the subject. What does the legitimacy of PIs have to do with the subject being discussed. Sounds like your trolling bud…maybe working for someone we should know about?

  • Michelle D

    “Is Scientology a Church or a corporation?” “It’s a corporation.” “I’m a corporate PI, to make sure trade secrets…” That’s good to know, since they area tax exempt corporation now. Then he goes on about the father “being feeble” that other ex scientologists will take advantage of him, that his own wife is taking advantage of him? I on’t know about the rest of you but Ron doesn’t seem feeble at all to me, he escaped, he wrote a book.