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Spying, intimidation, and ruin: Two lives caught up in Scientology’s notorious ‘Fair Game’


[Gregg Hagglund, right, on the picket line in Toronto]

When you’re the target of a Scientology “noisy” investigation, the thing that’s the most unsettling is the not knowing.

Whether you’re a former member of the Church of Scientology, or you’re someone who investigates and writes about the organization, or you’re just a curious citizen who wants to disseminate information about Scientology’s controversial practices, you may find that your family members, your co-workers, even people you went to school with you haven’t talked to in many years are suddenly hearing from private investigators asking for information about you.

And the many people we’ve talked to who went through it tell us that what nags at you — and what Scientology counts on, say its former spies — is for you to be left wondering, who are these people looking into every aspect of my life?

Very rarely do we get a full picture from both sides about Scientology’s many legendary retaliation operations. In our 2015 book, The Unbreakable Miss Lovely, we had some success not only finding new details about the harassment campaign experienced by journalist Paulette Cooper, but we also talked to numerous people who had actually taken part in those operations.

Now, we have another opportunity to see and understand Scientology’s “Fair Game” with new clarity. And that’s because the man who investigated and harassed and tried to intimidate a Canadian man named Gregg Hagglund on behalf of the Church of Scientology has given up his secrets about those operations.

And that’s because he died.

His name is Peter Ramsay, and for many years he was a volunteer for Scientology’s Office of Special Affairs who took very seriously his role as a spy and dirty tricks operative, which is spelled out in detail in his personal papers. Ramsay died on April 26, 2013, and we’ve mentioned him a couple of times here at the Bunker. His son, Jonathan, who was never a Scientologist, has tried to get the church to return money to him that his father had on account and will never use. Helping him with that is Peter’s brother, Rob, who reached out to us with questions about Scientology.

Then, in December, Rob Ramsay did a remarkable thing. He sent a message to Scientology attorney Gary Soter, offering to return to the church all of his brother Peter’s personal papers, including sensitive documents that showed years of Peter Ramsay’s spying on Gregg Hagglund.

Soter didn’t respond.

So, instead, Rob turned over those documents to us. And now, after interviewing Hagglund and Rob Ramsay and others, and going through Peter Ramsay’s personal papers, we’ve been able to piece together this examination of a Scientology Fair Game operation from both sides.


[Gregg Hagglund and Jennifer Plesch, in 1973. They were married in 1975.]

When William Gregory Hagglund was born in Edmonton on May 5, 1951, the news was related to his father Melvin Hagglund in an interesting way.

Melvin was a soldier stationed at Resolute Bay, an outpost famous for being among the most northerly and isolated settlements in Canada. Gregg’s mother, Wilma, could only get word to her husband by ham radio, to let him know that their third child had come a little early.

Pleased to hear that he had a second son, Melvin wanted to hear from the infant himself.

“Pinch him,” he said to Wilma over the radio. And Gregg obliged with a yelp.

With his father in civil service after the military, Gregg moved around a lot as he grew up. By grade 10, he had attended 13 different schools. And after school, at 19 he ended up in Resolute Bay himself working for the civil service, and found that his father was well remembered there — he got to ride a snowmobile that had his father’s name on it.

Between his work in the civil service and some gold mining he did on the side, at a young age Hagglund found himself weighed down by money. He decided to go to college, where he met Jennifer Plesch.

They married in 1975 and moved to Toronto, where Gregg got a job at a unique game store, “Mr. Gameways’ Ark.” It was part of a small chain of game and hobby stores that were growing in popularity, and Gregg invested most of his fortune in it.

His timing seemed to be perfect. Gameways’ Ark was booming in part because it had a special deal with the makers of Trivial Pursuit, which was becoming a phenomenon. And Gregg found that the store was a great outlet for his geekish creativity. He built at the store a full-scale replica of the bridge of the Starship Enterprise, and it became a local hit, especially with Star Trek: The Motion Picture coming out in 1979. (Also arriving that year was Gregg and Jennifer’s son, whom they named Christopher.)

And then, just three years later, the store came crashing down like a decloaked Romulan Warbird. Hagglund was wiped out in the store’s demise.

He had lost $1.2 million, and he was only 30 years old.

Hagglund then made forays into the early online world, and tried to make a go in CGI, but eventually he settled into a job in the cable industry. Jennifer, meanwhile, was teaching as they worked steadily and paid off debts.

Then, in the early 1990s, the Hagglunds dealt with more difficulties. Jennifer turned out to have a tumor on her brain that, although benign, needed to be removed. And the only way to do that was for surgeons to temporarily remove her face.

She came through it, but both of the Hagglunds were deeply affected by it. And one way they coped was through their adventures in spirituality.

The Hagglunds had experienced what Scientologists might call a cognition. In fact, what they discovered for themselves has a parallel in one of Scientology’s most central concepts.

Gregg Hagglund believed that he’d lived before.


[Gregg Hagglund, at the helm of his own USS Enterprise]

“I have absolutely no scientific proof that what I believe is true,” Hagglund says as he explains that unlike Scientology, he calls his ideas faith, not science.

“I’m never going to say that I have scientific proof of what I believe,” he adds. “I believe that I have access to continuing living memory of people who lived in the time of Atlantis, going back 15,000 years. We believe that’s the basis for reincarnation.”

In the mid-1990s, the Hagglunds formed what they call the Temple of At’L’An to promote their beliefs, and Gregg began thinking about writing a book.

Familiar with how the online world was developing, Gregg wanted to see what was being said about religion in that world, hoping to get some ideas for how to aim his book in the best possible way.

That drew him to the Usenet, with its many discussion groups, including vigorous debate about religion. And that’s how he ended up one day in 1996 at the Usenet group alt.religion.scientology.

ARS had been created in 1991 but had caught fire a few years later and by 1996 was the busiest place to find news about what was happening in Scientology, including the church’s attempts to suppress discussion about it online. In 1995, a Scientology attorney had even tried to have ARS removed from the Usenet, which only made it more popular than ever. Meanwhile, former church members had used ARS postings to put secret Scientology teachings online, and Scientology had used a legal scorched-earth approach to get those teachings taken offline, even going so far as to convince law enforcement agencies to raid the homes of some of the people who had been making the postings.

In other words, Hagglund had no idea what he was walking into.

“It took me hours to look through various threads. It was fascinating. I began to realize that there was a real contest between people who criticized Scientology and the trolls and the people opposing them,” he says.

“I made a comment or two about it. Within moments, I got responses saying I needed to educate myself,” he says with a laugh, remembering his time as a typical “newbie.”

“It looked difficult to me. So I said thank you, not interested.”

Hagglund could see that ARS was a tough playground, and he wasn’t really interested enough to do the background work to hold his own there. He probably would have walked away and forgot about ARS.

But the next day, when he dialed in to his Internet provider, he was in for a shock.

“I got email bombed,” he says. “I was downloading emails for hours. I had thousands of messages. I had to call the Internet provider. They stemmed the tide at their end, then they cancelled my email account and I had to start over.”

Over and over, he was receiving a message that told him that he had no right to comment on Scientology, and it suggested that he go back to ARS and apologize for saying anything at all. It also told him to keep away from, a website that had been started that year by an engineer in Norway, Andreas Heldal-Lund, who was amassing a huge collection of damaging information about Scientology.

“That really pissed me off,” Hagglund remembers about the email attack. “Until that moment, I didn’t give a screw about them. But I thought, what a bunch of arrogant shits.”

Gregg reacted to being told he should stay away from by reading everything he could find at the site.

“I realized that Scientology was a group of proto-Nazis who wanted to control the world,” he says. “Lives and livelihoods were being destroyed. Scientology was destroying a lot more than it was creating.”

Gregg steeped himself in Scientology jargon, trying to become proficient in it. And after he’d done that, and with advice from his son about how to protect his computer, he was ready to dive back into ARS.

“I got another email bomb, but this time it was bounced off,” he says.

And that’s how Gregg Hagglund, believer in past lives and avatar of Atlantis, went to war with Scientology on the Internet.


[Picketing the Toronto org, circa 1998]

As Gregg Hagglund’s transformation into a critic of Scientology began, Scientology itself was plunging into a crisis.

On December 5, 1995, a 36-year-old Scientologist from Dallas named Lisa McPherson died after being confined for 17 days at Scientology’s holiest place on earth, the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater, Florida. (See our series about Lisa’s final days.)

A year later, news of the death finally reached the press, and then began to turn into the worst Scientology media nightmare in years. The church itself was indicted on two criminal charges and the family of McPherson filed suit against Scientology.

As the McPherson matter blew up, pickets were being held outside the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater. At the same time, through the Internet Gregg had gotten to know an ex-Scientologist in England, Roland Rashleigh-Berry, who had been roughed up during a picket there. Those incidents led Hagglund to decide it was time to take his fight against Scientology beyond his computer screen.

“I decided I would picket too,” he says. “But I didn’t want to do it alone. I posted on ARS that if anyone wanted to join me, I would be picketing the Toronto org on a particular day.”

On May 10, 1997, Hagglund made the first of what became monthly pickets that stretched over the next five years.

“I ended up with a core group of three guys and myself. And Scientology had 30 people out there to quell us,” he says.

Today, in the wake of the 2008 Anonymous protests, Scientologists usually scatter when picketers show up. But in the 1990s, they were much more aggressive, as can be seen in videos taken during that time by people like Mark Bunker.

In Toronto, Hagglund says they were yelled at by Scientologists at the org, and the church members tried to convince police to arrest them.

“This was back in the day when Scientology reacted in a very in-your-face style,” says Ron Sharp, who learned about Hagglund’s pickets through ARS and joined him soon after they began. (At the Underground Bunker, Ron goes by “RMycroft.”)

“It was street theater. We’d walk up and down with signs. We’d hand stuff out. Then they started handing things out. Fliers with our pictures on it that said ‘These people are not what they seem.’ They were accusing us of taking pictures of their children and posting them on the Internet. But kids were in the photos because they were using children to promote Scientology in their events,” Sharp adds. (Hagglund says the website that contained photos of children didn’t last long. He took it down in 1998 because he couldn’t maintain it.)


[Scientology counter-protest flier, 1997]

Scientologists weren’t the only ones taking notice of the pickets. Hagglund says local business owners couldn’t help being interested. And after the third monthly demonstration, Hagglund found himself invited by a salon owner to a local business owners’ meeting to give a presentation about himself and the Temple of At’L’An.

Hagglund says he knew that Scientology’s local spokesman, Al Buttnor, was a regular at the meetings, and he knew Buttnor would be surprised to learn that he’d been invited. Hagglund decided to play it up as much as he could.

“I showed up in my temple collar. Buttnor just about shat bricks. Everybody at that meeting were just killing themselves,” he says, remembering how much the other business owners were enjoying it.

“After the meeting, Buttnor followed me out and said he wanted to talk to me. I stopped at a street corner under the full light for safety. He asked, What the fuck do you think you’re doing?” Hagglund remembers.

Hagglund played his part to the hilt, telling Buttnor that he was going to rent a vacant storefront and he’d use it to put out literature about Scientology. “And we’d have e-meters and we’d show people how they actually worked,” he says with a laugh. “None of this was even possible, but it got him so upset. ‘You can’t do that! That’s religious bigotry!’ he said. And I told him, ‘But you’re not a religion, you don’t have charity status.”

Scientology had not been granted tax-exempt status in Canada as it had been in the United States in 1993. “In Canada you have to have religious charity status to call yourself a religion, I told him. So Buttnor answered, ‘We’re going to have that, we’ve applied for it.’

“Boom!” Hagglund exclaims, remembering what a bombshell that was. “First thing I did when I got home, I looked into it. I knew how Ottawa worked because of my dad.”

With his father’s background in the civil service and his own years in it, Hagglund was familiar with how government worked at the capital. He knew that the government could never say publicly that an application had been made by Scientology for religious charity status, or that it was reviewing one. But now that Buttnor had blurted out that piece of information, Hagglund knew he had an opportunity to do something about it.

Asking around at ARS for advice about how to gather background information on Scientology that he would need, Hagglund was referred to University of Alberta professor Stephen Kent, who is one of the foremost scholars on Scientology and has one of the largest document collections in the world. Kent in turn introduced Hagglund to Nan McLean, who had spent a few years taking courses at the Scientology Toronto org in the late 1960s and then had become one of the best known critics of the organization.

“She connected me with a network of people all around the world who began sending me documents. I mean, these were originals!” Hagglund says. “It was a very exciting time.”

With advice from his father, Hagglund worked to put together a comprehensive document arguing why Scientology’s application should be denied. When he printed it out to submit to Revenue Canada, it filled three separate binders. Hagglund remembers that it took about four months to assemble after that night Al Buttnor had revealed his secret.

Hagglund not only submitted his three-volume brief, he was asked to give a presentation about it and was surprised when 30 people from Revenue Canada came to hear it. Hagglund used Scientology’s own internal documents to show that it was a moneymaking operation, not a religion. He says his audience seemed particularly interested when he showed them a Scientology chart that said the purpose of an org was to produce satisfied customers. “There was nothing about religion anywhere on it,” he says.

Scientology’s application for charity status has never been approved. And Hagglund has been told by government sources that his three-volume brief was a major reason why. And more importantly, Scientology itself was convinced of it, Hagglund says.

Hagglund had graduated from being a vocal critic at ARS. He was now becoming a real problem for Scientology in Canada.


[Peter Ramsay, left, with his brothers Rob and Ian, just before Peter went into Scientology]

Peter Ramsay was so sharp, and so talented, he skipped two years of public school growing up in Ontario and then, in his teens, picked up the classical guitar in addition to his piano training.

To his younger brothers, Ian and Rob, he was an overachiever they wanted desperately to be like.

Peter had been born on June 19, 1949 at Sarnia General Hospital in the western Ontario town on the southern end of Lake Huron. Ian was born in 1952, Rob in 1956. Their father worked for Ontario Hydro, the electric utility, and mom was a nurse as the family moved to Toronto.

Peter became so proficient at the guitar so quickly, by the time he was about 19 he fell in with a group of top Toronto studio musicians who played with singer Peter Shields in a loose funk group known as Simon Caine.

The group’s drummer, John Savage, was into Scientology, and introduced Peter to it. As Peter’s music dreams faded and he got work in the building trades, his involvement in Scientology grew.

“Peter was having problems with anxiety. Scientology seemed to help him,” Rob Ramsay tells us. And though Rob was very young — only 15 — at Peter’s urging he took some courses in 1971. Peter even encouraged his youngest brother to get a job working on the staff at Scientology’s Toronto org.

“I brought home a form for my dad to sign, but he refused. We got into a big argument about it. Thinking back, I dodged a bullet there,” Rob says with a laugh. He didn’t explore Scientology any further. (Later, he started a long career at CBC Radio.)

Peter’s interest in Scientology only deepened. The church is where Peter met Suzanne Fortin; the couple were married and then had a son.

Later in the 1970s, Peter also had some success interesting his brother Ian in Scientology. Ian paid $1,500 for three “intensives” (12.5-hour blocks) of auditing, Scientology’s version of counseling. In addition, Ian paid $100 for an introductory level called the Hubbard Qualified Scientologist course, planning on taking it later.

After his auditing, Ian felt that it had been a waste of time and decided he didn’t want to have anything more to do with Scientology. But the church was already notorious for hounding people about taking more courses, and Ian was receiving a steady stream of annoying phone calls and letters.

Fed up, he knew that if he demanded a refund on the money he’d paid for the HQS course, he’d be “declared” a “suppressive person” and the church would leave him alone. So that’s what he did, first requesting his money back in a letter to the church, and then filing for his $100 in small claims court.

Wait a minute, we told Ian. You actually sued the Church of Scientology? There’s not a lot worse that a person can do as far as Scientology is concerned, we told him, and the repercussions for Peter must have been immense.

“Peter was visibly and verbally upset with me,” Ian replied. “He could be declared if I continued with this course of action.”

In court, Ian not only demanded his money back, but he also wanted the church to provide a letter saying it wouldn’t punish Peter for what he had done. And in court, he won both. “It was a pretty easy go of things. The church had a money back warranty,” he remembers.

Ian says the judge wrote out the agreement stipulating that the church not retaliate against Peter (as well as some others), and both sides signed it.

“I felt elated,” Ian says. “Not only had I successfully severed all ties with the church — they would never again be phoning, writing, or showing up knocking on my door — but I had managed an agreement wherein Peter and other friends had been protected.”

But things didn’t turn out that way. Peter, he found out later, was punished, and probably repeatedly so for years afterwards.

“He was terrified by this concept of me suing the church. He let me know I wasn’t his brother any longer,” Ian remembers.

Meanwhile, both Ian and Rob came to understand that Peter had not only become very dedicated to Scientology, but fairly early on he began volunteering for its more unsavory operations.

Ian says that he became aware that Peter was volunteering for Scientology’s notorious “Guardian’s Office,” its spy unit that in the 1970s was infiltrating and burglarizing government offices in the US, Canada, and other countries, following the outlines of an operation Scientology’s founder, L. Ron Hubbard, called the “Snow White Program.” (The Guardian’s Office was disbanded by Scientology in 1981 after the Snow White Program resulted in a 1977 FBI raid of the church’s facilities in Washington DC and Los Angeles. Eleven top GO executives were convicted and went to prison as a result. We haven’t found evidence in Peter Ramsay’s papers that he was involved in any Snow White Program operations, or that he had volunteered for the GO, as Ian was told. Peter’s papers are filled with references to the work he did for the GO’s successor, the Office of Special Affairs.)

Rob remembers that his brother was becoming something of an enforcer for the organization.

“What I remember is that there was someone well known in the Toronto church who had quietly left and went to the ‘freezone’,” Rob says, referring to people who practice Scientology’s processes outside of the official church. “Peter went out and set the guy up to reveal what he was doing, and then he turned him in to the church, calling him a ‘squirrel.’ Peter’s friend who got him into the church was mystified by that.”

“He wasn’t a vindictive or mean individual, he was just enforcing church policies,” Ian adds.

“In my mind, Peter needed Scientology to work to handle his anxieties and all of the problems he had. And in his head, someone was trying to take that away from him by criticizing Scientology, so that’s why he went on the attack,” Rob remembers.

“We’re a close-knit family, and prior to joining the church Peter was a pretty straight guy,” Ian says. “He was very generous, and he always helped people.

“But he certainly changed.”


[Peter Ramsay and Suzanne Fortin on their wedding day.]

In Peter Ramsay’s papers, there’s a certificate for reaching “Clear,” a major intermediate goal for a Scientologist progressing up the “Bridge to Total Freedom, Scientology’s increasingly expensive rubric of courses and counseling. There’s also a document showing that in 1991 Ramsay was subjected to a “board of investigation” to determine if he would be “ineligible for training or processing.”

Like so many others who had dedicated themselves to Scientology, Peter found that his very progress on the Bridge was being threatened by some perceived deficiency. Scientologists in that position, who get assigned to a lower “condition,” must then work their way back into good standing.

They can do that in a number of ways. For some, that means volunteering to do work for a particular Scientology division. In Peter’s case, as the 1990s continued, that meant volunteering for Scientology’s secretive Office of Special Affairs.

A year later, in 1992, he was given a special commendation by OSA for his work helping the church’s intelligence wing.

Peter Ramsay, Toronto public, is hereby very highly commended for his work for the Office of Special Affairs over the past year. As a bonus, Peter is awarded the Hubbard Key to Life Course. Per HCOPL ‘Staff Member Reports,’ his ethics file is to be cleared without comment. This commendation has been approved by CO OSA Canada and CO All Clear Canada.

That commendation didn’t spell out what Ramsay was doing for OSA. But another one, given to him four years later in 1996, alludes to Peter’s work helping with an important propaganda project the year before.

In 1995, Scientology Canada had reason to be very worried about its image.

Twelve years earlier, in 1983, the Toronto org had been invaded in the biggest police raid in the country’s history. Six years after the FBI raided Scientology over the Snow White Program in the US, Canadian authorities came down on Scientology Canada with similar allegations — that in the late 1970s, church operatives had infiltrated and burglarized Canada’s law enforcement and other government agencies in order to steal and destroy official documents.

A year later charges were filed, and a trial in 1992 resulted in convictions against the church itself and one of its officials.

Scientology — the organization itself — had been found guilty of a felony. And now, in 1995, an appeal was winding its way to the nation’s supreme court, and Scientology wanted to have some influence on it.

According to his OSA commendation, Ramsay helped research a 1995 pamphlet, “A Conspiracy Revealed,” that Scientology’s Freedom magazine put out, providing the church’s slant on the Snow White prosecutions, that the church was being victimized by a cabal of biased law enforcement officials in bed with former church members.

Although Ramsay got his commendation, the pamphlet apparently didn’t have much effect. In 1997, the high court upheld the convictions, as well as a libel judgment against Scientology, which had smeared the prosecutor, Casey Hill, who eventually collected more than $4 million from the church.

“Every aspect of this case demonstrates the very real and persistent malice of Scientology,” the court said as it upheld the verdicts.

It was a thorough thrashing by the country’s highest court. But Scientology never gives in. It always gets even.

And so Peter Ramsay moved on from propaganda to another role for the Office of Special Affairs.

It was time to Fair Game a man named Gregg Hagglund.

[Continued on page two]


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  • Narapoid

    So much to do and not enough time to read!! Tony pointed out that he had another multipager….. another spy story.

    Boy, the Guardians Office of Special Affairs could learn a lot from these stories. But when will they realize they are felony-bait?

  • This is Leather Bound edition of the Bunker with a lot of time consuming study putting together some valuable Toronto history. Two thumbs up and a salute to Tony.
    In the 1980s, the Cult rampaged Fair Game acting like cock of the walk. “The planet is ours for the taking” Sea Org members told each other. LOL.
    On page one of this report Tony O mentioned Prosecutor Casey Hill who got caught in the cross fire.
    This is the story of mad dog attack on a Prosecutor.
    I can name 20- 30
    anonymous phone calls to “DESTROY HIM UTTERLY” being played out for malicious,
    revengeful and ATTACK purposes by the CULT. The maliciousness and vengefulness
    of the *religion* makes it Taliban Scientology.
    The “Church” is a tax free 501C3 with bucket loads of money $$$$$$$$ to pay
    Lawyers and Private Investigators to act with such venom. They waste Law enforcement time pursuing bogus phone calls. They are TAX
    FREE and do not contribute to the city budgets from when comes the payroll of
    these Law enforcement officers.
    This is a very dark side of the Church. It designed to manufacture CRIME,
    create black and false propaganda, even to the depths of trying to get someone
    committed to a mental Asylum.

    Every now and again their Black Ops blow up right in their face. Prosecutor
    Casey Hill of Toronto, Canada showed what could
    happen when Church attack went wrong.

    In March, 1983, three buses of cops raided the offices and, from the pile of
    documents, Scientology and 18 people were later charged with infiltrating two
    law firms, the College of Physicians, the OMA, the Canadian Mental Health
    Association, the Ontario Provincial Police, the Metro Toronto Police,the
    Attorney General of Ontario and the RCMP.

    After losing in court, Scientology then went after an Officer of the Court,
    Prosecutor Casey Hill. Scientology sued the
    Prosecutor, claiming he misled a judge and tampered with documents.

    For the next 7 years the “CHURCH” of Scientology went into a rampage to
    DESTROY the Prosecutor.

    “Scientology decided that Casey Hill was the
    enemy and it set out to destroy him,” the court ruled. “It levelled false
    charges against him. It persecuted him on these charges. In summary, the
    evidence suggests that Scientology set upon a persistent course of character
    assassination over a period of seven years with the intention of destroying
    Casey Hill.” The character assassination meant fiddlesticks. Casey Hill continued winning
    without even counter-punching.

    The jury award that was upheld in this appeal was the largest libel award in
    Canadian history. The Church of Scientology were found jointly liable for
    general damages of $300,000 Aggravated damages of $500,000 and punitive damages
    of $800,000 making Scientology’s total liability $1,600,000. Eventually with
    penalties and other costs, it amounted to $4 million.

    This was the RESULT of Result of jury award of general, aggravated and
    punitive damages. upheld by their Supreme Court.

    In 1991, Prosecutor Casey Hill won
    $2.1-million in damages, against the Cult of Scientology, the largest libel award ever in Canadian History. He
    gave the “Church” a black eye for the 7 year campaign to “DESTROY HIM UTTERLY”.
    ($2.1 million was significantly a lot more more in 1991 than it is

    He not only survived the rampage, he got promoted and is now a Judge. The Honorable Casey Hill.

    • MissCandle

      Wow. Thanks for the epilogue.

    • Mockingbird

      What about the infallible Scientology technology he had to face ? How did it lose !!?

    • salin

      Never heard this story before (still a relative newbie). Great write up. Thank you Karen – and like too few stories it ends with some poetic justice.

    • Wow, glad she won. With your stories Karen, I understand the bull-shit briefings we used to get. And crap, all the all-nighers to handle a made-up Hill-10 to distract us.

    • Bavarian Rage

      Hee! Hee! These stories (involving a few SPECIAL, heroic people) make me giddy that Canada has KICKED Scientology’s ASS to the curb! I never knew why Canada remained largely unscathed by Scientology despite being the most logical geographical target. The line of our national anthem “Oh Canada – glorious and ($cn) free, Oh Canada, we stand on guard for thee…” takes on a new meaning – with warriors like Gregg H on frontline offensive, and Hnr. C. Hill who “took one on the chin” in order to return a crushing blow. I have no words…

      ETA: Thank you for the education.

  • Mockingbird

    OT just found an article on standing up to white privilege without losing yours.

    • daytoncapri

      M bird, I read the article. Too much truth in it. In 1970, I was one of only three whites who marched in silent protest with the black students (in college in Ohio) in response to the Jackson State massacre. No pride in that statement, as I often acted like the article described in my life.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    David Miscavige, this is going to sound weird, but hear me out. If you ever decide to write a memoir, I think Tony Ortega should be your guy. Despite it all, you have to admit, he’d be unflinchingly fair. And gets to the bottom of whatever he sets to. Think it over….he’ll be waiting for you.

    PS. Don’t worry, even if Lou tells him you’ve got a small pee pee, he won’t publish it.

  • MaxSpaceman

    You can’t make this sh1t up. Fantastic story. Across years and years. It’s like True Crime.

    The sad sick truth is that there must be thousands upon thousands of individual stories this detailed and convoluted: Sceintology vs. individual; Sceintology vs. groups; Sceintology vs. corporations; Sceintology vs. national/intl’l. organizations; Sceintology vs. everything that is not for Sceintology.

    • 3feetback-of-COS

      yep. In addition to the early and unnecessary deaths, thousands of lives and careers diverted into scientology for nothing!.

    • flyonthewall

      Scientology vs Ultimate Warrior

  • That sad picture of old Peter, all scratched and bruised, almost blind and out of his mind is an addition to a big gallery of Clears and OTs who wasted their lives for scientology. May they be a lesson to those currently involved.

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I think that photo will haunt my dreams. Super sad and creepy.

      • I know. It’s really a face of scientology, if you think about it.

        • aegerprimo

          And… those eyes. The crazy staring eyes, a result of being involved with Scientology.

          • The Old Man was his role model. To the very end.

            • aegerprimo

              So very sad.
              Another example of how Scientology destroys everything it touches.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              The longer you stay hooked up to the parasite, the more you are drained of your own humanity. It’s so like Invasion of the Body Snatchers in that way.

            • Misguided “Tone 40” determination, all the way until crippled and blind.
              Ironically, both Hubbard and Ramsay were trying to say something about failing at the end.

    • dchoiceisalwaysrs

      And put on a source of information like uhmm the Underground Bunker

  • Mockingbird

    A porn site has banned North Carolina for their prejudiced law. Will Scientology ban us as Tommy Davis calls us bigots!?

  • amber_b_b

    I think this is the best article I’ve ever read here. Why isn’t this a book? Write a book about this. This is good stuff!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      movie movie!

    • This place is a source for books, documentaries, tv shows, movies, articles,
      songs, poems, shoops and comic strips. Please, keep contributing.

  • My name is Larry Lester
  • MaxSpaceman

    Portrait of, “A Clear.”

    One of the higher states of being. Achievable through your becoming
    a member of, The Church of Scientology.

    • Eileen

      Plus, blind due to untreated cataracts.
      Wow, another version of LRH’s end.

    • salin

      I have been haunted all day by this picture since I saw it early in the morning. Out of context, it doesn’t mean much – dude could have had an accident. But in the context of our Proprietor’s it is a sad end phenomenon.

      Tragic story – which captures the ugly dynamic that can take over where one – in service to this malignant system – is both a victim and a victimizer. And in the end the toll taken out by the havoc wreaked on others is visited upon the self in terms of health and mental stability. I hope that when folks may copy this image in the future – it is always linked to Tony’s in-depth story.

      • MaxSpaceman

        A picture about “being clear.”

        Sociologist Roy Wallis noted, “Being Clear meant being able to do all those things which one could currently not do, and to which one aspired so desperately.”[4]

        • salin

          I agree. The picture disproves that claim of clear.

          But, I hope it doesn’t become a meme – without the context of the story (even just a link) because it goes so much deep on how this is not ‘being clear’.

          Dude create tragedy in other peoples’ lives, and lived a tragic life – both as a result of the involvement in Scientology and the pursuit of ‘going clear.’

    • Kay

      So sad.

      • MaxSpaceman

        If available at the time, he would have been right off to Clamwater FL for

        the Super Power Rundown.

        • Kay

          Probably true, unfortunately.

    • amber_b_b

      It’s impossible not to feel sorry for this horrid, horrid man. The Odious Mr. Ramsay indeed!

      • Eileen

        Not impossible.

        • salin

          The power of double negatives. Our proprietor wrote an article that made it ‘not impossible’, but at the same time not hiding the odious behavior that wreaked such havoc on Greg’s family’s life – and likely other CoS targets lives.

    • Dave In Ajax

      looks like vitamin B deficincy

      • MaxSpaceman

        looks like Scientology training and processing

      • MaxSpaceman

        Refresh [ F5 … ]

  • ScreamingTomato

    Scientology never fails to take every opportunity to fail to disappoint.

  • Kay

    I just ran across this online….I clicked on a link to Phil & Willie’s billboard story in US magazine online. The story gave the info most of the news stories had, but then here’s what followed: (my apologies if anyone has already posted this)

    UPDATE: The Church of Scientology sent Us Weekly the following statement from the CoS in response to the billboard:

    “The billboard in Echo Park is simply the latest in a series of publicity stunts by Phil and Willie Jones to stalk and harass their adult offspring, Mike Jones and Emily Jones, both of whom are members of the Church of Scientology.

    Mike and Emily are both married and are in their 40s and 30s respectively and have made this life and religious choice knowingly and as a matter of their absolute free will. They are well satisfied with their choices and the Church stands by their decision.

    Phil and Willie Jones raised their children in Scientology and were completely satisfied with the religious choices of their son and daughter. It was only after their own recent expulsion from the faith that the Jones parents launched a vendetta intended to harass their son and daughter into giving up their chosen faith.

    For the past several weeks they have been working with a reality TV producer staging stunts intended to bring pressure on Mike and Emily to abandon their faith, including trying to get an LA area billboard company to post their billboard somewhere in the LA area. They finally found a small sign in a rundown area of Echo Park.

    Clearly there is no fact checking with billboards. The Church’s response is as we have been saying:

    “It is shameful that two people desperate for publicity would hook up with a reality TV producer to shamelessly exploit their two adult children over their choice of faith. It is equally despicable that these individuals would use a private family matter to promote anti-religious hate and bigotry.”

    • Kay

      P.S. This is also written rather poorly….the second to the last paragraph looks like its a statement from the magazine writer, then it goes back to CoS statement.

      • salin

        great catch, by this time I have started skimming the CoS response. But the addition to this response is significant and needs attention. Kudos, Kay!

        • Kay

          Thx !

    • Frodis73

      Hmmm, i have not seen or heard Phil and Willie to ask the kids to give up scientology…they asked them to please call. I know we all wish they would wake up and leave the church, but that is NOT what the billboard is about. Scientology, lying liars that always lie. smh

      • Kay

        Absolutely…also, the part about “staging stunts” with a “reality producer”. Ridiculous.

    • salin

      Extension to their solely hostile earlier PR response look at the paragraph that starts with “Phil and Willie raised their children in Scientology and were completely satisfied….”

      We need to pay attention to where this appears in more recent comments – and note the difference that includes both a humanizing first sentence of that paragraph, an then a sentence with extremely hostile language “expulsion… vendetta… harass…” and when responding – point these out and counter the extreme language to the actual language of the billboard – and of Phil and Willie in the various news accounts.

      • Kay

        That is a good idea. It appears that they keep editing, expanding and re-submitting their comments…probably to satisfy TPTB.

    • J. Swift

      They finally found a small sign in a rundown area of Echo Park.

      Corrected to read:

      They finally found an outdoor advertising company that was not intimidated by the Church of Scientology’s baseless legal threats and attempts to kill Free Speech.

      BTW, the Los Angeles Times and local media needs to inform Echo Park residents that the Church of Scientology considers Echo Park to be a rundown area. This insult to Echo Park is especially odd considering that the future SFV Ideal Org is in a rundown area of North Hollywood.

      Miscavige and OSA come across as a collection of bitter old deluded cultists who are hiding one central fact: The Church of Scientology will not allow Phil and Willie Jones to speak with their own children. This is all about Disconnection and the Cult is trying to spin it. No one in the media is buying the Cult’s usual stupid and vituperative nonsense. Once again, the Church of Scientology is hopelessly trapped by its own depravity; known sadists can never manage to lie convincingly about how peaceful they are.

      BTW, 400 people at the grand opening of the Atlanta Ideal Org. LOL. This is Scientology failure writ large.

      • Mockingbird

        If Miscaviage can only get 400 people for a grand opening that is pathetic. Time to promote the benefits of Scientology to the world

      • Kay

        That is SO true…if I lived in Echo Park I would be very annoyed. I think they think they can just say anything and people will buy it, regardless. I think those days are long gone.

    • Dice

      The chearch is running out of arguments so they are still in the loop of repeating the same lies in the hope they will become true!

  • Liberated

    This is such a good story, I love reading first hand accounts of real people that went thru these real horrors and let the rest of us hear the truth. I love Tony for making this happen. The more this ruthless group is exposed the better. I couldn’t help but notice the parallels of that poor fella Ramsay. and Hubbard’s descent into madness in their final days. Uncanny.

  • Kay

    Just barely had time to sit down and read today’s post. That is really a comprehensive and well documented article. THAT was a lot of work…I am impressed. (applause)

  • Susan black

    I hope gregg’s brother and sister read this story.

    • Frodis73

      Me too!!

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    One of our local news stations/websites has an “Everyday Hero” feature every single day. It’s my go to for a “not everyone is an ogre” fix. Thought this might be a good day to end off with a share of today’s hero:

    Everyday Hero: Pre-teen sells lemonade to raise money for bikes for homeless children

    “Think back to when you were a child and you received a bicycle for Christmas. A happy memory right? A St. Petersburg girl is trying to give that feeling to as many homeless children as possible. Everyday Hero host Bill Murphy has her story.”

    • salin

      Thank you for sharing this. 🙂

  • JanInThePan

    WOW. Now this is journalism.

  • daytoncapri

    Fantastic article Tony. Fair game is not always on the radar in scn discussions, yet you, Paulette, and many others live in it. Words fail me, except to say thank you.

  • salin

    Evening reminder for readers to recommend this in-depth, and deeply complex article.

    Instead of aurora’s here is a NASA skywatching website shot of a Thunderstorm with what looks like tornadic activity in the distance – because this is week has been sending this kind of week in the direction of Co$.

    • Juicer77

      Whoa! Down in the left hand corner… Is that a little tiny man running away in a panic?

  • Susan black

    Thank you Canada for showing us how to do it right.

    • Dave In Ajax

      as far as handling scientology, my fellow canadians got it right, the only other thing we do well is play hockey 😉

      • Mockingbird

        Don’t forget the Canadian Ballet !

      • Glen

        This year, NHL wise, not so much.

  • MaxSpaceman

    Counter PR from the Cherch of Sceintology to the current deluge of the severely damaging worldwide media attention on the awfulness of L Ron Hubbard, his businesses, and their entire operations globally.

    But– maybe their effort is a little “off” – catch this, if not been posted yet.

    “Read Laura Prepon’s Insane Interview In Scientology’s Celebrity Magazine”

    Laura Prepon’s baffling Scientology tell-all: ‘Honestly, I’ve become more me.’ ”’ve_become_more_me

    • Susan black

      May the lovely Laura rue the day she gave that silly interview. Embarrassing!

      • MaxSpaceman

        “Science of Survival is a great book!” — Laura Prepon 2016.

        Laura Prepon is insanely saying this is great:

        “In any event, any person from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale should not have, in any thinking society, any civil rights of any kind, because by abusing those rights he brings into being arduous and strenuous laws which are oppressive to those who need no such restraints.”
        – L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, 1989 Ed., p. 145 [The “Tone Scale” is Scientology’s measure of mental and spiritual health.]

        “There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the Tone Scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the Tone Scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow.”
        – L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170

        “The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower bands of the Tone Scale from the social order would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered.”
        – L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 170

        “A Venezuelan dictator once decided to stop leprosy. He saw that most lepers in his country were also beggars. By the simple expedient of collecting and destroying all the beggars in Venezuela an end was put to leprosy in that country.”
        – L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 171

        Unfortunately, it is all too often true that suppressors to a creative action must be removed before construction and creation takes place. Any person very high on the Tone Scale may level destruction toward a suppressor.
        – L. Ron Hubbard, SCIENCE OF SURVIVAL, p. 159

        • Mockingbird

          What is a little Genocide between friends !?

        • LongtimeLurker

          F***ing Danny Masterson.

          Why couldn’t he have focused his clammy Scientology recruiting mitts on Ashton Kutcher, instead of Laura?

          • Frodis73

            Lol. That’s funny. I actually think he tried really hard but Ashton was smarter than that…and that’s saying a lot.

        • 3feetback-of-COS

          An Einstein she is not!

    • Flying High

      Max, The real beauty is that the Counter PR simply is not working. The first interview has 1564 replies. And just like we read the reviews (replies) on products before buying them on-line, so do the public and here are the types of feedback they are openly posting where it’s more harm to them from this point on.

    • 5 Feet Long and Luminous

      I remember when this hit the internet. I enjoyed my ringside seat watching Ebner take down her fangirl apologists on twitter. It was a fun day.

    • Kay

      Wow what a bunch of …….word salad !! (I was going to say B.S.) I’m so excited that I know now that there are such things as mis-emotions !! (eye roll)

      That was just embarassing, truly.

  • daytoncapri

    Click on the heart, folks.

  • LongtimeLurker

    This Tony guy can write.

    Also “…the store came crashing down like a decloaked Romulan Warbird…”

    Love it.

    • Frodis73

      I wanted to sqeee! and hug Tony for that line.

      • LongtimeLurker

        Closet geeks unite.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        me too

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    What a riveting long article!

    What a treasure.

    ARS early internet newsgroup critics deserve so much praise and thanks.

    What a great tribute article to Gregg Haggland, especially the detail of the paperwork document of 3 binders that Gregg put together and gave the Canadian officials, Scientology on Scientology.

    That was such a major historical good deed by Gregg Haggland for all of Canada!

    • Yep. This is how Canada was cleared of Scientology.

    • madame duran

      When someone takes that line from Canada’s national anthem seriously (“Oh Canada, we stand on guard for thee”), this is what happens.
      One instance where I can proudly say, “CANADA ROCKS!!!”

  • Kim O’Brien

    I watched the movie ” The Crow” last night and then had a dream that Howdy was back .

    Hellloooo symbolism

    • LongtimeLurker

      I read a recent interview with Michael Wincott, the actor who fired the shot that killed Brandon Lee on set (it wasn’t his fault, the armorer screwed up).

      It was interesting and terrible. It radically affected the rest of his life, as you’d expect.

      Including regular nightmares that he still has 21 years later.

      • Frodis73

        Hey, I just read that too!

        • LongtimeLurker

          I can’t even imagine.

          Just check the weapon, right?

          • Robert Hanna Moore

            An unusual chain of events rendered the gun lethal, but in a manner that could be easily overlooked if you were handling it by the standard manual of arms. A weapon firing blanks should receive special scrutiny if you intend to point it at an object you do not wish to destroy.

            The expert left and the layman remaining in charge did not perceive the danger. I miss Brandon Lee,

            • LongtimeLurker

              I’m not saying it was easily avoidable. But the few times I’ve been on a set with firearms or similar practical effects it seems to be SOP to dry fire into the ground before reloading.

              Which might have avoided his death.

              On the other hand I could be misinterpreting what I saw.

            • Robert Hanna Moore

              You were correct, it was easily avoidable. I was thinking the layman may have had some firearms experience that was conditioned around normal firearms safety, not the greater care required on a movie set.

            • LongtimeLurker

              I hadn’t considered that. He was probably absolutely “IRL firearms” experienced and did what he thought was right.

              Terrible for everyone.

      • Jack99

        Got a link to that interview?

        • LongtimeLurker

          It was on Ye olde paper. Now if I can remember which magazine, I’ll see if it’s online and link.

          Let me get back to you.

      • Juicer77

        That poor man. 🙁

        • LongtimeLurker

          I know. And the armorer who messed up. Everyone really. Terrible.

    • Nat-leficent

      Has it been a year already?!

      • Kim O’Brien

        the 1 year mark was in March

        • Nat-leficent

          Damn. Time flies.

        • TexasBroad

          I went back to the post the day Tony let everyone know a few weeks ago and saw the comments from his IRL friend. Touching.

    • MaxSpaceman

      God, if only

  • sizzle8

    Normally the proprietor serves delicious caek or scrumptious hors d’oeuvres.
    Today he has served a seven course meal, including steak and potatoes and exquisite gravy.

    • Mockingbird

      I am stuffed.

  • aquaclara

    Tony might just need to sleep for a week after this story– he’s pieced together details of people and events that have taken center stage in the Scientology wars.

    I applaud our heroes in the Old Guard, especially you spoke out before there was a Anonymous, Foolish. Tom Cruise, Going Clear, or even Tony Ortega.

    We need an Old Guard theme song. Brilliant, fearless work.

  • J. Swift
    • Mockingbird


    • Kay

      Since this is my second viewing of this picture of Peter Ramsey. I looked at it more carefully this time and I can’t quite figure it out. That is more trauma than a simple fall IMO. He has a big knot on the far right side of his forehead (his right, not ours), along with a big fresh scrape on the Left side of his nose (not to mention multiple scrapes and varoius ages of bruising) How could he have fallen down in a way that he impacted the left side of his nose the same time as the far right upper lateral portion of his forehead? Plus, the scratches on his face go in all different directions. That thing on his chin looks like a large abcess that has not been treated. If he had come into any ER I worked in, we would have called social services (for elder abuse or neglect) unless whoever brought him in had a REALLY convincing story of how he sustained all of this trauma.

      • Kay

        (P.S. Why is the picture taken in a home rather than a hospital or doctor’s office? Weird.)

        • Juicer77

          According to the story, they were documenting the damage for possible legal action. They would take a picture without cleaning him up, and I’m guessing this photo is the first good, close-up look his brother saw. He may have been taken for treatment after this photo was taken, we don’t know.

    • Supper Powers

      I’m having SSR withdrawals. Can you help?

    • Draco

      Same old scientology routine: Use, abuse and discard.

    • Baby

      Tragic.. very very sad.

  • beauty for ashes

    Watching I am Cait, the girls are at Caitlyn Jenner’s former conservative college. A question from the audience of students, ” How did you transition and keep your relationship with God, in terms of religion.?”
    Kate Bornstein answers, ” My daughter is a high ranking executive in the church of Scientology. And to scientologists, my trans~ness is proof that I am an evil person and should not be talked with, so I haven’t seen her since she was 9, she is now 42, 43 years old……I haven’t completely given up hope? I haven’t, and especially getting some strength from the women I am traveling with now, and just being able to say this to you. Look for the heart of the doctrine you’re following, and if it is at all mean, think twice before following it any further, Thank You”
    <3 <3 <3 Kate! Besides the fact she also in this episode teaches Caitlyn to be less offensive politically, She is steadily growing into someone I greatly look up to for inspiration. Anyway had to share!

    • LongtimeLurker

      As someone who has deliberately avoided the reality TV / tabloid storm around this, but now wants to have his cake and eat it too…

      If you can be bothered, what’s the short version of Caitlyn’s offensive politics?

      • beauty for ashes

        She’s republican, and argues a little bit viciously. Very black and white thinking.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Thank you. Thought so, just checking.

          It always amazes me.

          Yes, moderate Republicans can be (somewhat) embracing of alternate lifestyles, but there’s a good chunk of the more extremist supporters of that party who would think Caitlyn is aberrant, or even evil and dangerous to society.

          I’m certainly not saying people should only vote based on what’s good for them in their current situation, but don’t delude yourself about the reality of your default political party.


          • beauty for ashes

            I’d hope that things are changing, and there is less rooms for judgment. I actually cringed when you wrote “alternate lifestyle”. For most it is the only choice for survival.
            (I don’t think you meant anything by that, I literally just haven’t heard that in so long, and have been immersing myself in looking at the issues of LGBT community)
            I mean I played a young man in a play, which I thought was going to be awesome. Until I was DIE~ing to put makeup back and assume my gender at the end of everynight. A few months of this really put things into perspective for me. Also a class in college. Anyway, didn’t mean to go off. It’s just an issues close to my heart.

            • LongtimeLurker

              Yeah, I originally wrote a whole sentence there, but it read badly and I lazily dropped it for “alternate lifestyle”.

              I agree with you that it’s mostly not a choice.

              But even if it was *always* a choice, it shouldn’t be judged or legislated against, imho.

              And the Tea Party, Limbaughs and O’Reillys aren’t where one is gonna find the most support.

            • beauty for ashes

              Oh my god, right? Rush Limbaugh! LOL

      • littlefish

        Additionally – although she has transitioned and this places her in a marginalized group, she has benefitted her whole life from the privilege of being a relatively wealthy white male, so she tends to think that everyone can pull themselves up by their bootstraps because of that experience. Even though not everyone starts on equal footing. She also erroneously believes that welfare makes people lazy while in reality welfare can keep other trans and genderqueer people alive since many states still allow discrimination in hiring for those sorts of things.

        • LongtimeLurker

          Don’t even get me started on bootstraps, welfare and blind privilege.

          Thanks for the info.

    • Frodis73

      I do hope those ladies open her eyes.

    • Ella Raitch

      Love me some Aunty Kate

      • beauty for ashes

        IKR? 🙂

  • Frodis73

    Hey, what is the name of the movie with Steve Martin that sort of mocks scientology?

    • Helen Van Patterson Patton


      • Frodis73

        That’s what I was thinking, but I wasn’t sure. If it is, it’s now available on netflix. I have never seen it, so will have to check it out.

      • LongtimeLurker

        The cult in it is called Mindhead.

        Their unofficial motto is a rapid chant of “keep it together, keep it together, keep it together.”

        (Edit – meant to reply to Frodis. IPad mini + big hands = wrong person.)

    • Liberated

      Bowfinger—–it’s hilarious. The cult is called “Mind Head”

    • Frodis73

      Thanks everybody! I’m off to watch it now. 🙂

  • Jimmy3

    Oh damn..
    There’s more pages ?

    • LongtimeLurker

      Spoiler – if you stay in Scientology too long, it works out badly.

      • Jimmy3

        Hey buddy… I don’t care how long you have lurked. Don’t invalidate my wines.

        • LongtimeLurker

          My bad. Your wines are my favorite.

          • Jimmy3

            Love you Longtime, Lurker

            • LongtimeLurker

              Champagne comedy, sir!

            • Jimmy3

              I put a comma between your name and made it resemble a common slur
              Pass me that bottle

            • LongtimeLurker

              Speaking of that bottle, I’m having trouble getting served at this cafe / bar.

              I think its because I have a large wound from my eyebrow up to my hairline from last Friday night.

              See, the alcohol induced injury is interfering with my ability to get more alcohol.

              I could view this as The Universe trying to tell me something, but I’m gonna take it as a challenge instead.

            • Juicer77

              You two are making me snortle!

  • Saint

    Thinking today of some of the OG critics, especially those that posted at back when using your real name was the default position and the full might of COS could focus on a critic like the Eye of Sauron. It’s that type of bravery today we read about on this blog. But I am also thinking about the bravery of people whose first step, although it may appear small to outsiders, is huge. Huge to them, huge as to what it took to get there, just…huge. I’m also thinking today of those people who were not scientologists, but people who loved those who were scientologists, and were negatively impacted by COS policies. Not just disconnection, but as in today’s story, fair game and “third party tech.” I really really hope that Gregg’s siblings read this blog today or tomorrow or next week. This is appalling, and they should feel very sad. But it is never too late to change your mind.

    • salin

      I wish I could upvote your words many times.

    • Juicer77

      They were (and are) so brave, and risked so much. All honor to them.

  • MaxSpaceman

    It is ‘so’ time for “Ruthless: Scientology …

    • Kay

      I can hardly wait until they start interviewing him on TV after the book is released ! That will be really interesting.

      • MaxSpaceman

        Perhaps he and Dan Koon’ll appear together. For the book tour. And the television.

      • Intergalactic Walrus

        David Miscavige’s birthday is on April 30th. 20/20’s interview w/daddy airs on the 29th and the book is released on May 3rd. Sounds like this could be one hell of a birthday for COB! Hehe

      • Liberated

        I can’t wait either. Lil’ Davey is gonna have a hard time refuting daddy’s story,–I mean, who are people gonna believe?

        • MaxSpaceman

          “Never refute, always attack.” – L Ron Hubbard’s dictum’s will be followed. One of Hubbard’s initial instructions was to– look for the crimes. So Dave will regurgitate anything criminal in his dad’s life from the 50s thru whenever.

          Hubbard created the directive “never defend, always attack” just because of your statement about “the hard time refuting…”

          Hubbard never allowed that and never did it. Dave, like any clever leader say of the old KGB, for example, in the old Soviet Union, had to be a good follower of the deviser (in KGB example, Beria) of the directive.

          Dave will have hundreds of people working on attacking, not refuting.

        • The fact that he will never appear in person to defend himself won’t help either. His father will be the only person whom the public will even hear.

    • InterestedObserver12

      What’s with the “Not for sale outside the U.S.” crap? I publish on Kindle and sell worldwide and it’s not a big deal. I WANT TO BUY THIS BOOK!!!

      • MaxSpaceman

        Not gonna happen (for a while at least). They won’t publish in Great Britain (or any foreign territory), as they didn’t publish “Going Clear” there. For what, nearly 3 years…

        • TexasBroad

          It’s time for a Bunker app! Willing buyers can paypal willing Bunkeroos to buy and ship.

        • I just logged onto Amazon .com (instead of my more usual and pre-ordered ‘Ruthless” from there. No problem. I’ve done this before and it always works. The only drawbacks are that the shipping costs can be high, and it can take a week or two to arrive (although sometimes US –> UK delivery is faster than local. Go figure).

          Also, libel law in the UK just had a major overhaul. Those days might not be altogether past, but the law is now a lot less susceptible to abuse. If “Ruthess” does not appear in a UK/Commonwealth edition, that’s likely because publishers have decided that its appeal to too specialised to make money.

      • Draco

        I just pre-ordered from South Africa at just over $14. Go onto your Kindle and see what it says there.

        • InterestedObserver12

          Thanks for the heads up. I just pre-ordered for $13.99CND (about $10.50 US) on!!!

          • Draco

            Yay. I know what we will all be doing May 3rd 🙂

        • InterestedObserver12

          Thanks for the heads up. I just pre-ordered for $13.99

      • Juicer77

        What country are you in? I can purchase copies from the US and forward them on.

      • Ella Raitch

        I have preordered from Australia

    • Enturbulated Masterbator

      And I just downloaded a book about Alaskan wolves that says it takes 8 hours to read. Now I am certain to never finish it. But I cannot wait to binge read Ruthless.

    • Draco

      Pre-ordered 🙂

  • Robert Hanna Moore

    So, this is the bunker, I like it.

    • MaxSpaceman

      (courtesy of John Lennon Music, the Estate of)
      So here’s the Bunker
      And what have we done
      Another year over
      A new one in its run

      And so it’s the Bunker
      I hope you have fun
      The near and the dear ones
      The old and the young

      A very merry Bunker
      And a scrappy new year
      Let’s hope it’s a good one
      With love and good cheer

      And so it’s the Bunker
      For weak and for strong
      For rich and the poor ones
      The world is so wrong

      And so here’s the Bunker
      The dark and the light
      For fellows and gal pals
      To fight the good fight

      A very merry Bunker
      And a scrappy new year
      Let’s hope it’s a good one
      With love and good cheer

      So here is the Bunker
      And what have we done
      Another year over
      A new one on its run

      So this is the Bunker
      Hope you all have fun
      The near and the dear ones
      The old and the young

      A very merry Bunker
      And a scrappy new year
      Let’s hope it’s a good one
      With love and good cheer

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist


    • Juicer77

      We’re a saucy bunch. 😉

    • Draco

      We like it too 🙂
      Welcome, Robert. Make yourself comfy.

    • Baby

      Welcome Robert.. You will fit nicely hear.. Most of us are dog lovers.. oh and cat lovers.. Looking forward to your posts.

      EDIT: hear=here..ugh

  • Snippy_X

    They have to be completely predictable, because their “scripture” demands it, yet the rigidity of their paranoia and their viciousness still takes me completely by surprise. It’s so bizarre.

    • All together now: $cientology – it’s worse than you think!

      • Snippy_X

        Every time!

    • Dice

      your right about “completely predictable” Most of us knows exactly how, when and where they will show up and give them a surprise party!

      • Dice


  • TexasBroad

    A comment recently posted on Phil and Willie’s GoFundMe site…
    Michael Crook
    3 hours ago
    Remember the days when people were too proud to ask complete strangers for money and looked after themselves and
    their own affairs instead of begging others for help? I sure as hell am beginning not to.
    There is no way to reply to a comment there, so here I will just say – Michael, you get a bonus point for not starting with “I’m not a Scientologist, but…” It doesn’t redeem your comment. First, their “own affair” is the loss of their children because of undue influence and enforced disconnection, a tragedy that, because it is shared by so many, is not their own affair, but a cause that binds and has turned similarly suffering strangers into friends, a practice so reprehensible that it has turned many more of us, personally untouched by it, into strong supporters in the quest to reunite these families! Lastly, please think about anyone you once cherished that are now out of your life because they disagreed with the church and CALL THEM.
    Edited because I am blind without my contacts!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      This is rich, considering the number of VM projects lately that have turned to crowd-funding. Especially considering that the CoS is sitting on billions of dollars. Scientology Ethics: It’s not what you think it is.

    • Linda Clement

      Well said!

  • Sid (Phil Jones)

    Just finished a radio interview with a Sydney, Australia program. He was an excellent interviewer and didn’t stray off the topic with crazy questions. He was pleasant and compassionate. We covered all the important stuff.

    On Wednesday is a TV interview with Channel 9 Australia.

    • TexasBroad

      You must be exhausted Phil – ((hugs)). Glad you liked the interviewer! Wonder if we can view it in the states?

    • MaxSpaceman

      Bang! Zoom!! To the moon, Phillip !

    • Dice

      Australia is entering the Philboard experience and they show up on my numbers!
      Hope you get some rest..

    • Juicer77

      You’re doing so well, Phil. So much good will come of this, I’m sure of it.

    • Linda Clement

      International! I knew it! Phil and Willie, you are just superb!

      • The story has already appeared in almost every major UK newspaper. It’s going to go global. At this point it just takes a little time for the dominoes to fall.

    • Ella Raitch

      Who was it Sid? What station?

  • Warrior

    “I showed up in my temple collar. Buttnor just about shat bricks. Everybody at that meeting were just killing themselves,” [Gregg] says, remembering how much the other business owners were enjoying it.
    In fact, Buttnor did sh*t bricks. Here is documented proof. This is Al, sitting in his office, making a report to DM. 🙂

    • TexasBroad

      You took his photo over the top of the stall?! Hee Hee hee. Chuckles for the OG, along with my salute and respect!

      • Warrior

        I wish I had taken this photo, but I can’t claim credit for this jewel. 🙂

        • TexasBroad

          Claim credit for the salute/respect then…and pass my delight to the photographer.

    • Juicer77

      SO. FUNNY. XD

    • Ella Raitch

      Giving birth to a new OT level

  • Dave Reams

    I feel bad for Peter Ramsey. A loyal serving member of the most ethical fellowship on the planet who suffered the end of his life blind and cancer ridden not supported and cared for by his fellow Scientologists.

    To the OSA reading this: What is going to happen to you become older and experience illness and disability? Is there a Scientology Health Care system which will take care of you? A Scientology home for the elderly?

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      OSA can’t see that. They cannot Imagine themselves possibly being in Peter’s place. Just as Peter could not see himself in the place of the “degraded beings” that he saw going before him.

      To a committed Scientologist such as an OSA personnel, these diseased and dying Scientologists, no matter who they were or what they did to help Scientology back in the day, are degraded beings who “pulled it in.”

      Just as their now juniors and up and coming OSA members and Sea Org Officers will in turn tsk-tsk at them. Remark the sad state of these new “degraded beings” declined in years, sight clouded, overwhelmed with un-nulled lists in answer to an eternal “why?” for their abandonment. Dying in pain, alone in the dark. Just as those they had abandoned.

      Karma is a bitch. You ain’t getting off that wheel OSA. Gaze into your future and despair.

    • Liberated

      What, you mean CO$ doesn’t offer a pension plan or retirement benefits?

      • madame duran

        They probably don’t believe they NEED old age pension, health care, disability coverage or retirement savings because their thetan is strong enough to handle or bypass all the inconveniences that beset elderly wogs. Their imprisoned minds cannot admit they’re just like everyone else and the tech doesn’t change reality. They’ll continue to deny their bodies the food, rest and care it will need to live optimally. It’s sad how many Scientologists will ignore practical, basic needs in order to cling to a fantasy.

        SCIENTOLOGY PUTS ITS OWN MEMBERS AT RISK THEN ABANDONS THEM WHEN THEY INVITABLY BECOME TOO OLD, SICK OR WEAK TO BE OF USE. Is that your version of compassion or love, lurking Scientologist? Is that your idea of “fair exchange” after years of dedicated service? Leave the cult NOW while you still have breath.

      • Dice

        a trillion year old Thetan don’t need a pension plan and their body they can just dispose at the nearest parking lot.

    • Dave Reams

      I also feel bad for Gregg Hagglund! His family name was Anglecized from the Swedish “Hägglund” (“Bird-Cherry tree meadow”) to “Old hag meadow”. (sorry Gregg 🙂

  • Dice
    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      I posted that earlier and meant to email you to make sure you got, but then, doh, I forgot. Glad you caught it anyway. Yay!

      • Dice

        I am following Leah since last time i saw she did you a favor by retweeting your tweet about the billboard. Then i forgot to thank you 🙂 because when she do that, you can see the effect directly on the GoFundMe page and thats what it’s all about! -Traffic!

  • Flying High

    Here is the real state of affairs on Toronto Org a year ago where a new year of tax bill is just about due on top of the back taxes owed. Also some great comments are included by Tony in this article:

    • Draco

      I just checked it out on Google Maps. Street-view starts in 2007 and goes to Sep 2015. Somewhere between 2012 and 2013 it goes from what looks like something is happening inside, to a pile of junk. Mass walk-out after Debbie Cook’s email? Or was that 2011? Hard to keep up! The other address given for scn in Toronto, shows a tiny building with a sign that says “Scn 3rd floor”. And they want to go from that to this enormous building? Snort!
      Oh and it was supposed to be done and opened in 2015, according to the spokesperson of scn. In none of the street views is there any evidence of any renovations happening to the building.

  • Eivol Ekdal

    I think we are going to need a bigger bunker.

    • Draco

      Jeeez… we just got new couches and stuff. Maybe we should have a fundraiser so we can build an annex. The theme for the fundraiser will be “Come as your favourite scientologist.”

      • Dice

        with new memes and pink banners 🙂

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    A post for the late night Bunkeroos, and then I am off to bed. This was inspired by the sliding doors aspect of this story. Two young men, full of promise, whose lives intersected. Choices and consequences. The living and the dead.


    • Frodis73

      I love this! Stark differences.

    • Draco

      Yup! Fastest growing religion in the world. Also the only people with real answers to the big questions. The way to happiness. Teaching MILLIONS around the world how to flourish and prosper using LRH’s Admin Technology.
      Scientology certainly changes things. For better or worse? You be the judge.

    • Dice

      Perfect! I can use that

    • FredEX2

      Wow, those photos illustrate so clearly the destructive aspect of Scientology. From youthful promise…to destruction, it destroys everything it touches from the inside out. When I visited the Toronto Org on Yonge St in 2007…it was fairly run down and seemed a bit dark and cluttered upstairs…but it still had some activity…a few Scientologists…which seemed to be mostly a couple of Sea Org and Security. I had to wait while Security got the ‘OK’ for me to go upstairs, and even then it was with an escort. Met one Sea Org person upstairs…nobody else there. I was in Toronto for the only Scientology Conference that I’ve ever attended at the invitation of Owen Starkey. The Org there wasn’t impressive at all…and clearly even less so now. It appears to be closed.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        If only a couple Sea Org and Security were there, then the Toronto Org didn’t exist. That’s not an org by any definition whatsoever. Sounds like yo bumped into the morgue’ caretakers!

      • The “temporary” org is the third floor of this building (longer back than it looks):

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          holy …

        • littlefish

          What street is this on in TO? & the cross street?

        • Qbird

          Oh this is not so very ideal.

        • Johnny Tank (Forever Autumn)

          Here are two pics from Google maps streetview as of May 2015 (F5):

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist


  • Frodis73

    Finished Bowfinger earlier…I really liked it and the sci stuff was pretty funny. I also noticed that Marisol Nicholas was in it! I wonder if it was before or after she got involved. She wasn’t really known then (not that she is now either though!) and I don’t think she said more than 4 words. Good movie; I’d watch it again.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Love that movie!

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      It remains the best movie about Scientology.

  • OOkpik

    Today, Tony’s article and the comments have been fantastic. It will take me a while to get through all of the comments, but I don’t want to miss a one.
    Hope you don’t mind if I just drop today’s eagle update here before getting back to work. Ta.

    At the Washington Eagles nest, Pappa Eagle does the best he can to keep the two rapidly-growing eaglets warm.

    • Dice

      Thats a very good picture!

      • OOkpik

        Thanks, Dice.
        I was horrified at the mess I made of the comment.(fixed) Must have hit my head on something. 🙂

        • Baby

          They are getting so big OOk.. going to bed..yawwwwwwwwwwn

          • OOkpik

            Sweet dreams, Sugar.

            • Baby

              Oh that’s cute.. I’ll use it on my grandkids..never heard that before sweet owl..xo

            • OOkpik

              Like Miscavige and stats, I make ’em up as I go. <3

          • salin

            So big, and so quickly – wow.

        • Dice

          I didn’t noticed anything “horrific” about your comment – It was a very good Comment And a Very good Picture. It goes very very well with the picture – Look! he keeps the nest so clean j/k How do you know it’s papa Eagle?

          • OOkpik

            Thanks for your kind words.
            Male eagles are smaller than the females, and he has a smudge on the top of his head. The eaglets are too big now for Mamma to sit on too.
            Both parents are equally good at caring for their young. Its a great thing to watch. 🙂

            • Dice

              Yeah! keep us updated – i personally like it when bunkerrites doing daily updates on some specific topic they follow closely.

  • Jerseygram


  • richelieu jr

    @RMycroft, I already dug you, but now I know YOU ROCK!!!

  • Gregg Hagglund

    Thanks Tony for the time you took, (several hours on the phone), to talk to me and try to understand how I fell down the rabbit hole of ARS and survived all that OSA could send against us.

    The Pickets would have been nothing much except for the exemplary and brave people who joined me in protesting the content and conduct of the Cult of Greed and Power. Ron Sharp, Chris Wood, Alan, and so many others made it possible to continue when I was, at times, disheartened by OSA planned actions against me and my family and this band of friends I led.

    I am no longer an active critic of COS. The generous pension given to me by the ARSCentralCommittee ( which does not exist) has helped my family in ways I do not care to mention…..

    I see many others are striking back against COS, including some high ranking COS members who cursed me out on more than one Lisa Picket in Clearwater, back in the day. I can only imagine how satisfied ex-scns must feel. It is they who actually endured the crucible of fear the COS lives in, I and my family were only burned by it.

    For those who have lost track of me: I am indeed still living and still driving a school bus to make ends meet.

    My wife and I are comfortable and our children are incredible successes.

    I have read many of the responses to your story and to so many I wish to say: Thank you for reading and understanding my motivations, trials and successes in my past struggle with COS.

    For those who care to know: Temple of At’L’An remains as a quiet presence in a largely chaotic and violent world. One day that book I promised to write about it will explain what it is and why it may be important to others.

    For OSA:

    Yes I know who may of you are in Canada,and I feel sad for you. I especially feel for the new batch of Sea Orgers who are as lost as a small boat in a big storm. They really should be given a break from washing all those floors in the Ideal Org you got some poor gumby to pay for. After all, the floors are almost always spotless anyways since they are rarely walked on.

    So for Dan Bryenton, Gwen Jones, Brian Macpherson and the rest of the OSA directed Parishoners you should know that I forgive you for the things you said and did.

    However, I don’t forget.

    And you should note that once you learn to ride a bicycle or walk a tight-rope, you keep that skill. (And yes, I know that is a two way street.)

    I remain,

    Gregg Hagglund SP7
    aka TorontoSP

    Scientology Management does not always tell truth;
    Scientology Management has condoned, conducted and been convicted of illegal, unethical and immoral activities;
    Some Scientology Practices are dangerous to participants health, either physical or mental or both;
    Scientology Management and L.R. Hubbard lied about Hubbard’s life, history and accomplishments;
    Despite the pseudo-scientific claims of Hubbard no Scientology or Dianetic process has *ever* been clinically *proven* to work as claimed.

    I have been circulating the above, in one form or another since 1999.
    Were the above not true, then they would be defamations of Corporate Scientology and we all know Co$ has the money and the lawyers to force me to retract or cease to utter or print them.

    But the above *are* true.
    And the first four are enforced by *current* Co$ policies.

    • Observer

      You have more than earned a peaceful retirement! Thank you so much for speaking up when so few were doing so. Respect.

      • salin

        Many thanks are sent Gregg, with deep appreciation.

      • Gregg Hagglund

        Thank you for your kind words. Please remember I did not operate by myself, besides the stalwarts who came to the pickets and endured the desperate, ( mostly verbal) attacks by the OT3 Goon squad, there were many others working in the background, including inside the Org itself, for whom I can never thank enough.
        Remember that SCN s are not permitted to access the Internet because of all the Meme shattering Entheta?
        You might like to know Little Davey was so outraged by what happened up here he mandated, MANDATED! local OT3’s like Dan Bryenton, Gwen Jones and others, to try to attack me and the other picketers online on ARS. They eventually posted, by direction, under their own names. I do not think they were permitted to read the newsgroup, just the replies ( I imagine heavily redacted) to their posts. Peter did not even own a computer.
        At first the OT3 Goonies were posting formula letters, pre-written by OSA. One day, I believe IIRC it was Dirty Dan who posted a letter without filling in the blanks. So it contained some supposedly nasty insult and then a space that said “Put SP Name here”. LOL This was peppered all thru the posting! LOL. Shortly after that the Goonies actually began to write their own replies and accusation/threats. You could tell, as they wrote exactly like they spoke.
        I do not think at any time before that were any SCNS other than inner most OSA operatives permitted to post personally on ARS.
        After the visit by the lawyers and Police to Janet Leveau, the Goonies stopped posting, iirc.
        One of the reasons the street thugs COS sent against us were all OT3 and higher was our flyers. The XENU flyers, containing the Xenu story in paraphrase. I would also often read the original as a performance piece and let anyone read it, while I held it tightly.
        They were very unhappy with us because. over the years, we distributed many thousands of the flyers locally.

        • Observer

          “Put SP name here”

          I’m going to be laughing about that one for a long time!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Many here will tell you, this is pretty rare: I have no words.

      • Qbird

        It is an honor to ‘meet’ such a brave person.

    • Glen

      As opposed to the destructive policies and actions that mafia$cientology unleashes, you have actually made the world a better place by shining a light where it needed to be shined. Thank you. All the best to you and your family.

    • SucculentDuck

      Legend. You are a bus driver in more ways than you know – you have taken all of us to school. I’m still at the tryouts over here, hoping to get picked up by the minor leagues, someday … you, sir, are in the Hall Of Fame. Congrats, for all your success and continued happiness!

      • TexasBroad


    • Free Minds, Free Hearts

      Thank you Gregg, for all that you have done and endured. I am so gad you and your wife are well and our kids are grown up and doing well too. This was a fascinating and disturbing story.

    • aquaclara

      I’m honored to shake your hand, Gregg, buy a round or 7 of extremely good beverages and dinner, and look forward to buying your own book one day. Watching Scientology invade and take over Clearwater was sufficient to show me how much damage this damn cult can and will do to people. You survived and continued on.
      You’ve given thousands of parents and families their kids free from a cult life, shaken the scam tree to its roots and ensured that Canada, well, WINS.
      Thank you so much for protesting, documenting, enduring far too much, and for the graciousness you’ve shown to those who fueled the flames. If you come to Philly or we somehow find ourselves at an event together, I will make good on my promises. You totally rock. Now, can you not be a stranger any more, and pop in here when you have some time free?

      • Gregg Hagglund

        I well may drop a comment or two in the future.
        In all honesty in the past I have tended to obsess about the COS. Read far too much, seen too much of the scorched earth and ruined lives COS leaves behind.
        The overwhelming intellectual urge to make the COS pay for what they have done to me and those I know and care about and the thousands I don’t know, but still care about is almost
        a kind of addiction. One I do not intend to feed willingly.
        However Tony’s excellent work is worth reading and I may offer my 2 cents now and then.

        • Kestrel

          Your experience and insight have already proven invaluable. Again, thank you for standing up.

        • aquaclara

          That tending toward an obsession is something that, well, pretty much everyone here can understand. So I know, breaking away can be remarkably freeing. I remember when I left Clearwater for school that somehow, outside of there (and some pockets all over), trying to counter Scientology wasn’t so much a thing. Even now I have to tell people that Scientology has dark, evil roots that do touch areas here, and so it should be a concern to everyone.

          Going back for a moment, I’ll tell you that I saw far too many business owners, families, city officials like Gabe Cazares, journalists at the Clearwater Sun and the St Pete Times (now both the present Tampa Bay Times) and so many others face ruin, smears, threats and personal attacks. All the while, parents were outside the Fort Harrison just trying to see their kids, much like Phil and Willie. It rips me to shreds.

          You, and Ron, Chris, Alan and others didn’t back down. Shifting gears to the present, I hope you stay safe, continue to cheer on those who follow your rather large footsteps, and blow us a nice kiss every now and again. This movement is gaining momentum, and well, you deserve a great seat at the party when it finally implodes. Some of us have simply been observers; you took this on as a fight to be won. Take the bow, keep driving the bus and drop by whenever you can. We love ya.

        • Bavarian Rage

          RESPECT! You are the “who” behind why my city and province remains Scientology-free. I had no idea of the sacrifices you (with the support of others) made to protect our country from the the scourge that is Scientology. A true veteran of a different cloth. An honour to meet you, good sir.

          Many of us here are couch potato addicts. Your addiction moved you to obsessive action that shaped a corner of history. You have more than earned your rest.

  • Asillem4

    Simply amazing read. Please publish a collection of your blog posts on Amazon Kindle and educate the masses. Make it a series.

  • Aquaman

    Does anyone know where I can find some punk ass little internet kid named flyonthewall??? A dolphin told me that he was on this site trash talking me. Saying I was no good? That all I do is chat to boring fishes all day?

    Let me tell you something, bitchonthewall. When I find you, you will wish you could be chatting to boring fishes. Because you will be sleeping with them.

    • Dice

      We gave him the front page to sit on!

    • gtsix

      Fly sleeps with fish?

      Does Mrs. Fly know about this? Oooh, off to write the KR. Stats!

    • flyonthewall

      No need to get bent out of shape Aquaman. You’re a public figure and are thus fair game to criticize. I’m not the first or the last person to voice such an opinion. I don’t really get your abilities, big deal. I also haven’t read much of you either but I do respect you as a superhero and an iconic DC character.

      I thought you’d have thicker skin tbh. You’re a superhero for christ sake man! What kind of example are you setting for the kids talking like that and threatening mere mortals like myself? Smh. I’m really disappointed in you Aquaman. This is not your finest moment.

    • Qbird

      He’s on today’s thread, Chicken-of-the-Sea Aquaman. You got something to say to him, go over there ~

  • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

    Just re-read from beginning to end. Best Bunker article ever.

    • aegerprimo

      I just re-read it too!

      • Andrea ‘i-Betty’ Garner

        I’m stunned at the calibre of commenters! Set comments to Best – it’s amazing.

        • aegerprimo

          Going to check them out now. Didn’t have time yesterday.

        • Skabetti

          Will do. Thanks!

  • richelieu jr

    “At the time, I thought Peter was an annoying, buzzing, evil little thing,” Hagglund says. “Now that I’ve seen his papers, I don’t think he was evil. He fell into evil ways because he wanted to be accepted by other people.

    “I don’t like what Peter did, and I didn’t like Peter himself. But I don’t think he was unlikeable. It depends on where you’re standing.”

    — Exhibit A in the exhibition, “Gregg Hagglund, You Are a Bigger Man than I.”

    One thing is for sure:
    Scientology, the House the Ron Built, is nothing if not a Victim Factory.

    Even Miscavige is one.

    It is no excuse for the crimes committed, but reasons and causes are not the same as excuses.

    Had Hubbard never lived, David Miscaige might be just a wheezing little prick making his wife and family members miserable instead of so many others.

  • Xique

    That is one wild story! Thank you Tony O for your terrific work, it’s all so fascinating, and truly frightening at times. I’m a Fan!

  • phoebequeen

    Wow. I haven’t read all text yet, just wanted to say how great this is. Wow.

  • Xenu Ate My Baby!

    What an amazing narrative of decades of abuse in nearly every form imaginable, by this church.
    Tony, I wish I were a person capable of slathering effusive praise, because this is such a powerfully written account of the Fair Game practices we all know are still practiced.

  • Alex De Valera

    Fascinating story Tony. Thank you.

  • White Black

    Anyone curious about Scientology was a lunatic in the first place.

    • Dibythesea

      Then why are you on a $cientology watching blog? Curious much?