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Jeff Hawkins on Scientology’s brand of court martial — the ‘Comm Ev’

Tom_Cruise_AFGMJefferson Hawkins was once the top marketing executive for the Church of Scientology and helped it reach its greatest extent with the famous “volcano” TV ads in the 1980s. He’s told his tale of getting into and out of the church with his excellent books Counterfeit Dreams and Leaving Scientology, and he’s helping us understand the upside-down world of Scientology “ethics.”

We’re nearing the end of this series, Jeff, but you’ve saved one of the best for almost last. We’ve always wanted to know more about Scientology’s brand of court justice. Tell us about it.

JEFFERSON: We’re now on Chapter 12 of Introduction to Scientology Ethics, and we’re going to be taking up every Scientologist’s favorite subject — Comm Evs! Of course, I’m being facetious — I think every Scientologist, and certainly every staff member, has their own horror stories about Comm Evs. It’s a system that is particularly prone to abuse and misuse.

THE BUNKER: So explain to us what a Comm Ev is.

JEFFERSON: A Committee of Evidence, or Comm Ev, is Scientology’s equivalent of a civil or criminal trial. Hubbard describes it as

A fact-finding body composed of impartial persons properly convened by a convening authority which hears evidence from persons it calls before it, arrives at a finding and makes a full report and recommendations to its convening authority for his or her action.

It’s interesting that Hubbard says, in his introductory remarks:

I have been working for some time on a system of justice acceptable to Scientologists and have evolved one in “Committees of Evidence.”

A couple of points on this: first, the system isn’t and never was acceptable to Scientologists, something Hubbard himself admitted in a 1970 briefing to the Guardian’s Office:

…This, of course, requires something that is very unpopular, which is a Committee of Evidence.

Second, he didn’t work out the system. It’s basically the military system of courts martial, which Hubbard was no doubt exposed to while in the Navy. The main difference between the Scientology system and the military system is that Hubbard removed most of the safeguards that protect that system from abuse.

THE BUNKER: A military system really has a different purpose than a civil system — to a large degree it’s designed to maintain order and discipline.

JEFFERSON: Exactly — which is why it probably appealed to Hubbard.

THE BUNKER: So walk us through some of the similarities and differences.

JEFFERSON: A Comm Ev, like a court martial, is an ad hoc tribunal appointed to look into a specific justice matter. The Comm Ev is appointed by a “Convening Authority” (and that term, by the way, comes straight out of military justice terminology). In the military, the Convening Authority is a senior officer. In Scientology, the Convening Authority is always a senior Scientology executive.

The Convening Authority appoints the members of the Comm Ev: a Chairman, a Secretary, and two to five Members. Here’s a key difference: in a General Court Martial, there is a military judge, a prosecutor, a defense attorney, and five members. In a Comm Ev, there is no defense attorney, and no prosecutor. In a Court Martial, the defense attorney and the accused can challenge the composition of the panel with cause. In a Scientology Comm Ev:
Interested parties and witnesses may not object to any membership or composition of the committee, it being taken for granted that the convening authority has been as impartial in this as is feasible.

Get that? No one can question the composition of the Comm Ev because it is “taken for granted” that the convening authority is impartial and fair. Since when did a justice system “take for granted” that those in power would never, never abuse that power? It’s a recipe for disaster.

THE BUNKER: Particularly since all of the members of the Comm Ev would be, one assumes, under the command of the Convening Authority.

JEFFERSON: That’s true. At the very least they are junior to the Convening Executive. In the military system there is some provision for this, as it is recognized that the court martial members are under the command of the Convening Authority. So they are required to take an oath of impartiality to swear that they will not let their decision be influenced by the convening officer. And the convening officer is prohibited from illegally influencing the members. Scientology has no such safeguards.

Another difference is this: In a criminal jury trial, the decision as to guilt or innocence requires a unanimous decision on the part of the jury. In a military court martial, it must be a two-thirds majority. In a Scientology Comm Ev, it is decided by a simple majority, and the Chairman can break a tie. So in a Comm Ev of, say, seven total members, three could believe the accused is innocent, and he or she could still be found guilty.

THE BUNKER: So how does a Comm Ev go about its business? How does it proceed?

JEFFERSON: First, the convening authority issues what is called a Bill of Particulars, which lays out the charges against the accused. This document also names the Chairman, Secretary and Members of the Comm Ev. The Committee then meets in a timely manner and gathers evidence.

THE BUNKER: And how do they do that?

JEFFERSON: They call for Knowledge Reports about the matter and read through all of those, then they often interview people involved, including the Interested Party (or Parties). It’s interesting that originally, there was no requirement that the Interested Party be present during the proceedings, but that changed when Hubbard later announced that

…all investigations include confronting the accused with the accusation and where feasible the accuser, BEFORE any disciplinary action is undertaken or any condition assigned.

After that, it was required that the Interested Party be present whenever testimony was given, and they also had to read any Knowledge Reports that the Committee had gathered.

When they have all the evidence, they write up a document called “Findings and Recommendations.” This summarizes all of the evidence they gathered, and lists out the punishments or penalties they are recommending. This then goes to the Convening Authority, who approves and issues it. The Convening Authority can lessen the recommended penalties, but cannot increase them.

THE BUNKER: So what happens if the Convening Authority disagrees with their findings?

JEFFERSON: Here we come to one of the major flaws in the system. What’s unstated here is that the Convening Authority can reject the Findings and Recommendations back to the Committee. It’s like any other “submission” in Scientology. It is sent up the lines with “Completed Staff Work” and it can and does get rejected, often many times. The Convening Authority also has the power to disband a Committee of Evidence and appoint a new one if he feels that the Committee is not “active in the prosecution of its business.” The bottom line is that the Convening Authority has the final word. If you don’t find what the Convening Authority wants you to find, you won’t get it approved.

THE BUNKER: So it’s really a sort of Kangaroo Court.

JEFFERSON: Pretty much so. Our modern legal system has evolved to prevent the sorts of abuses that were rampant in earlier centuries. Courts were often used as tools of state control. Where the state controls the machinery of justice, the potential for abuse increases. They can stack juries, unduly influence judges and so on. All of the legal safeguards we have developed are to prevent this sort of abuse and injustice. It’s ironic that Hubbard brags about the superiority of his system to “wog” law while basing his own system on military tribunals — and at the same time knocking out many of the time-honored safeguards of even that system.

There are other forms of justice procedures mentioned in the chapter, which I won’t bother to detail here — Boards of Investigation, Courts of Ethics, Ethics Hearings, Chaplain Courts. They are all run on more or less the same lines. A Court of Ethics, for instance, is the equivalent of a Summary Court Martial — presided over by a single officer. All of these have pretty much the same flaws as the Comm Ev.

Anyone who has been on staff will have their own horror stories about Comm Evs and other Scientology justice procedures and how they are manipulated and abused. I hope some of our readers will share their own experiences.

THE BUNKER: We do too! Let’s hear it, gang.

 
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Barbara_CordovaA call from somewhere

We heard from Arlene Cordova yesterday, and she gave us an interesting update on the story we wrote Tuesday about her daughter, Barbara Cordova Oliver.

We heard from a large number of people after our story came out that they had known Barbara or had information about places where she might be. Barbara had been a well known figure at Scientology’s Hollywood Celebrity Centre until she had a mental breakdown, was hospitalized, but then was removed from the hospital by her Scientologist husband, Robert. Arlene hasn’t seen her daughter since December 12, and hadn’t heard from her since a January 5 phone call.

Yesterday, she told us that Robert called while she was out, and he left a message. “He said that Barbara is having good meals, she goes for walks in the country almost every day, that she’s seeing a medical doctor, and that things are fine,” Arlene says.

“In the background I thought I heard Barbara say hello, but she never got on the phone,” she adds.

Arlene says she tried to trace the number that the call came from, but learned that it was from a throwaway MetroPCS phone.

“They’re using throwaway phones. They could be anywhere,” Arlene says.

We’re glad that our story apparently put enough pressure on them to try and contact Arlene. It’s also good to hear that Barbara appears to be with her husband.

We’re going to stay on this story.

 
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Roz Cohn needs your help

Roslyn Cohn contacted us, looking for some help. You’ll remember her great one-woman show about Scientology, “diffiCULT to leave,” which she allowed us to premiere here at the Bunker. Well, one of her co-writers on that show, Jake Anthony, is going through a terrifying health crisis.

Although he’s only 36, Jake was felled by a case of pneumonia, and he’s been at death’s door for several weeks now. He was fortunate that a student of his, concerned about Jake’s silence, broke down his door and found him unconscious on his bed and barely breathing. Doctors now expect him to recover, but it will be a long, slow process.

“It would be so kind of those of you who enjoyed “diffiCULT to leave” for free on YouTube could find it in your hearts to donate to help Jake in his fight,” Roz says. “Without him, there would be no show.”

A GoFundMe has been established for Jake. Please consider donating something.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on January 23, 2014 at 07:00

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  • Simi Valley

    A Scientologist can ask for a Comm Ev to be convened to investigate and hopefully correct an injustice. As a staff member in the Sea Org, I did so and found that it turned into a disciplinary Comm Ev. The chairman of my comm ev proceeded to recite a litany of negative things about me. This was a nightmare, one of many I experienced in my short time in the Sea Org. I’ve heard from others who had the same experience.

    • Patty Moher

      The last thing you ever want to ask for is a Comm Ev to correct an injustice. Comm Ev’s are considered to be massive Dev-T by staff members. They have to be held off production or study time and require more work for an already overworked, sleep deprived staff member.

      You will be taught a lesson, don’t ask them to admit they did something wrong, if you do you will be punished and the comm ev will be about you and how you are out ethics. SOP for the cult.

      • Simi Valley

        It won’t happen again!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        This is an important factor about the Comm Ev’s. Sci Comm Ev’s make a kangaroo court look fair and balanced.

    • Peter

      The system is very simple, SV. If the Convening Authoity believes it (or needs you to be so) you are GUILTY as charged. The actual comm ev is a major coverup to give the impression of justice, but it is a sham from beginning to end. I was once comm eved, found guilty, then a very brave higher authority cancelled the findings as off policy. The Convening Authority then set up another comm ev, this time suborning perjury from one of the witnesses who had earlier testified FOR (truthfully) me and he did a 180 on his testimony. Nailed. And that was back in the “good old days”. It can only have gotten worse since.

    • DamOTclese2

      It sounds like something straight out of a Communist or fascist third world dictatorship.

      • joan nieman

        Yes it does.

    • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

      I worked in Senior HCO Int for 5 years, and at Senior HCO Int, we/I was assigned numerous “Review Committees of Evidence” and “Boards of Review”.

      I was chairman on these, and was expert in resolving people’s messed up ethics scenes.

      The only loophole to use, is a Hubbard loophole, and one has to basically kiss ass to the abusive system, and at the same time compile up a list of your contributions in the past, and do this in practically a saintly neutral manner, and not show any iota of anger towards the idiots who can’t see you were right all along, if you were.

      You have to let all the messed up incompetence of the idiots in the Sea Org and staff execs who are “stable terminals” who have incompetently dealt with you, you have to just be saintly with them.

      And you have to show piles of your past actions, and do so without making the idiots look like idiots in any way at all.

      And you have to admit where you did wrong, also in a saintly fashion, without showing any “make wrong” of the idiots and be simple and clear, not be confusing, and be sincere in what you admit you did wrong.

      But you have to show all the good you’ve done, and pile up all the years of good you did.

      Because the bottom line will be if the good you did outweighs even the “bad” the idiots think or even can prove and which you admit you did.

      The LRH bottom line quote about justice, is the one loophole that worked, I walked a number of people through using this loophole, but the downside of using this loophole successfully is that it gets you back in good standing and back into the group, and you are better off being OUT of the group!

      Winning against the Scientology/Hubbard injustice system, is a loss to you. It’s best that you lose to the system and get the heck out!

      The loophole is that it’s pretty easy to show that your worth, your contributions to Scientology, have NOT been taken into account, have not been weighed, in your favor. Hubbard says that if your worth isn’t weighed, even if you are proven guilty of the ethics offenses, then that’s not justice.

      The Board of Review criteria include one point saying if a justice action was “off policy” then it can be overturned.

      How I helped people overturn their unjust Scientology experiences was this Board of Review criteria loophole, and the policy quote from Hubbard on it being required to take into account the person’s worth.

      Of course, when people are unjustly wrongly tagged “bad” by Hubbard’s system, they are in fact not having their worth weighed properly.

      But again, it’s best to lose to the Hubbard system, and get the heck out of it!

  • D.Y.G.

    I had a feeling Barbara Oliver (or her husband) would make contact with the mama after Tony put a spotlight on her disappearance. I’m glad it was successful, even if there are still so many unanswered questions.

    I can’t imagine being so paranoid I’d need to call my mother-in-law with a throwaway phone. Wow.

    • Modesto

      Exactly. It makes it difficult to take all the stuff about meals and walks in the country at face value.

    • NoName

      Is she sure that was a hello and not help? Jus’ sayin… I don’t mean to be so dark and pessimistic, but this is the cult we’re talking about.

  • SciWatcher

    Interesting about the throw-away phone. I wonder if they are using that to hide their whereabouts from Arlene–or from the COS.

    • D.Y.G.

      Oh, without doubt it is to hide their whereabouts from Arlene. The call is to prevent more police intervention, and probably to shut the mama up so she’ll stop talking to Tony.

      • DamOTclese2

        It doesn’t matter, the minute the cell phone was used, records of the location were stored. If needed the FBI can retrieve the call records and locate to within some 50 feet the spot at which the call was made.

        • D.Y.G.

          Ya, I know police can triangulate the location via the cell towers and GPS tracking if the phone has it enabled.

          What I was getting at is that they’re trying to pacify mama with this phone call so she doesn’t get the police involved again. They’re definitely going to try to hide location from mama and whoever she’s talking to so they don’t show up at the location.

    • SandiCorrena

      Especially with him referring to a medical doctor

      • SciWatcher

        Yeah, that’s what made me think of it.

      • Observer

        Unless he was lying. Because, you know, that’s what Scientologists do.

      • chukicita

        That doesn’t necessarily fill me with confidence. Dr. David Minkoff, a Scientologist who is somehow also a medical doctor, had his license suspended for a year after prescribing valium and chloral hydrate for Lisa McPherson: http://www.sptimes.com/News/080401/TampaBay/Doctor_in_Lisa_McPher.shtml

        • RMycroft

          But wait! There’s more!
          Public never warned about dangerous device November 19, 2007, Christine Willmsen, Seattle Times

          • chukicita

            Ooooo! Thanks, RMycroft! That article about a quack therapy device that Minkoff used has this interesting section (emphases mine):

            “Weeks later, BioMed IRB discovered a more serious problem at a study site, Lifeworks Wellness Center in Clearwater, Fla.

            During a review of clinic records, the IRB learned about two patients whose deaths had not been promptly reported. A woman with cancer and a man with heart disease and chronic renal failure had died several days after receiving PAP-IMI treatments.

            The review board determined that LifeWorks’ president, physician David Minkoff, had failed to properly report the deaths.

            The delays — one of them five weeks — made it difficult to determine if the treatments had caused or contributed to the deaths. The review board, as required, alerted the FDA about the lapse.

            In a letter to the review board, Minkoff wrote that the “treatments had nothing to do with their demises.”

            During the study, Florida health officials suspended Minkoff’s medical license. They determined that he had prescribed medications inappropriately to a woman in 1995, according to the FDA and the Florida Board of Medicine.

            Minkoff didn’t return phone calls or e-mails seeking comment.”

            I wonder who those patients were, and why it took so long to report their deaths?

            • Betsy

              Minkoff’s claim reminds me of Michael Jackson’s doctor and his defense. I would think the delay before reporting the deaths would be a huge red flag to legal authorities. Isn’t there some law against hanging on to a dead body that is known to be dead for…ulp…five WEEKS??

            • Betsy

              Minkoff’s claim reminds me of Michael Jackson’s doctor and his defense. I would think the delay before reporting the deaths would be a huge red flag to legal authorities. Isn’t there some law against hanging on to a dead body that is known to be dead for…ulp…five WEEKS??

            • Robert Eckert

              They weren’t really dead, they were just pining for the fjords.

            • RMycroft

              It’s all a government coverup. They’re really pining for the fnords.

        • scnethics

          At the time Lisa McPherson was killed, Minkoff was working as an ER Doctor, and at the same time was the owner and chief quack at Lifeworks Wellness Center. As an ER Doctor, he practiced real medicine and apparently did so with skill as he held that job for a long time. It’s further evidence that smart, educated people are not immune to cults (or other quackery).

    • El Con Blubbard

      Remember…”Phones a psychotic because they have no memory”…L Ron Hubbard

      However, Mike Rinder’s phone debunked that piece of “tech” now, didn’t it? LOL

      • kemist

        Curious.

        Mine has 32 GBs of memory. Does it means that it’s sane nao ?

      • joan nieman

        Yes El Con ! All his ignorance has turned on him! Good old Blackberry phone!!

    • Observer

      Maybe they learned a little something from Katie Holmes.

      • joan nieman

        Maybe!

    • kemist

      If they were hiding from COS, why would they need to call Arlene from a throwaway phone ?

      • Betsy

        That struck me immediately. That one feature is enough to make me disbelieve all the rest about her taking long walks and so on. If that were so, why keep her location secret? At least why go to the trouble of using a throw-away phone? It almost SCREAMS “Big Lie going on here!”

      • Betsy

        That struck me immediately. That one feature is enough to make me disbelieve all the rest about her taking long walks and so on. If that were so, why keep her location secret? At least why go to the trouble of using a throw-away phone? It almost SCREAMS “Big Lie going on here!”

      • joan nieman

        yes. That is a good point kemist.

  • Observer

    “Scientology justice” is an oxymoron if I’ve ever heard one. It sounds like “witch hunt” would be far more accurate.

    • Pepsicat

      I’m glad you used that word “witch hunt” because there’s a massive witch hunt going on now in Clearwater – people getting declared without comm evs, getting declared for not disconnecting from those who have been declared, getting declared for just expressing doubts, etc.

      • Missionary Kid

        I’m wondering if the same is true in Hollywood. There has been some evidence of it, but is it “massive?”

        • Cece

          MK – note all the new names on the blogs. There are a lot I have not seen in the 3 years I have been following. A LOT. 🙂

          • Missionary Kid

            There has been a lot of new people joining because of the general publicity about Co$. TC started a lot of the ball rolling against Co$ when he did his couch jumping, then his attacks on Matt Lauer and Brooke Shields. Anonymous and Xenu.net provided a lot of the impetus. Katie’s divorce from TC did a lot recently to speed the public awareness.

            I don’t know how many new people are exes that have just recently bailed, and unless they reveal themselves, I’m assuming they’re off the street. This site is not a half-way house. If you’re reading here, you’re usually OUT or never-in that got curious because of some idiotic thing that Co$ has done because it’s Co$.

            The one person who is on their way out is Bob, and he’s been here periodically and openly for a number of months. I have only been here for a few months myself.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        A new round, eh? Thanks, this is good to know. It means GAT2 was as disastrous as I thought it would be and now signs are coming in of the snowball effect. Are these primarily public or are staff getting the same wake up call as well?

        • El Con Blubbard

          Friends have reported re: going to the Org to watch the GAT II event. They stated that it is very well done and if they still were drinking the Kool-aide, they would take another gulp and get all excited about GAT II – but they KNOW, so the propaganda is not working on them. Staff members are told to watch the GAT II event 2-5 times over and over….to really get fully indoctrinated so as to squeeze a few more years perhaps of free labor from them…and friends report a nasty shift of “valence” from the die hard Scientologists! One friend had not been to the Org in 2 years – she was shocked as to the “condition” and nasty valence her good friends were in!!

          The Orgs are empty, the course rooms vacant – this is the last chapter of the Golden Age of Fail for the Church of Scientology!

          If you want to buy some real estate – watch these cult owned properties going up for sale (the REAL reason for the Ideal Org Campaign! Nice assets to sell as the ship sinks),All intended to keep the “show” on the road a little bit longer..

          You may get a good deal…it was not the Organization’s money – so they don’t care if they sell at a loss!

          As long as David Miscavige has a game to play – he will always survive and everyone else is at risk! You are expected to DIE in the attempt …but COB won’t die in the attempt – he won’t even get deposed and will spend millions to keep that from happening…. see, from COB’s viewpoint – COB is too precious – he is the biggest being on the planet and the only one along with Tom Cruise that can save it.

          • Snuzey

            I love the fact that Scavage buys as much property as he can, thus tying up the money for absolutely nothing. When we see them really starting to sell them off…. thats the final curtain call in my book. They’ve finally run out of their liquid assets.

            • MaxSpaceman

              Captain David Miscavige doesn’t spend money for any of the properties – the locals raise the $$$, pay for it and transfer the property to $cientology Inc’s Landlord Office.

              When Dave sells any of it, it’s all profit, as he spent $0.00 to get it.

              The exception to this rule is New Zealand. $cientology’s Davey Miscabage bought it with chirch money. http://idleorgs.com/

          • joan nieman

            He just knows. Not.

      • Ten Aug

        If this is true, and I don’t doubt it is, then the many predictions that the super power/GAT do over debacle would be Misavige’s last great hurrah are true. I hate jumping on the “end is nigh” band wagon but it is so damn tempting to do just that.

        If you have any specific evidence perhaps you could get it to Tony?

      • HillieOnTheBeach

        How could Miscavige possibly figure that the proper response to his church in crisis where members are increasingly disaffected and leaving in droves is more declares!?

        Wut?

        A state of panic is never a good time to make decisions.

        • Pepsicat

          You’re assuming Miscavige is sane. He’s not. He’s extremely paranoid. He used to go out to movies and restaurants around Clearwater – alone. I once saw him enjoying a movie in a local theater alone…that was Apollo 13. Now, according to Rinder, he never goes out alone, in fact, he never goes out at all for fear of someone coming up to him and either handing him a subpeona or fear of someone challenging him in public.

      • Once_Born

        From an outsiders perspective, what is remarkable about this behaviour is its intellectual poverty. Addressing the problem of a shrinking membership by expelling members is self-evidently counter-productive. The CofS desperately need to adapt.

        Granted, they are constrained by the fact that they cannot modify the words of ‘source’, but there are still ways to change direction, and to innovate – for example, Hubbard wrote so much ‘stuff’ that, someone in all that verbiage, there must be justification for a new scam.

        From Miscavige’s point of view, it would be well worth trying. Some Scientologists might object, and leave, but the organisation is already haemorrhaging members, so it can’t hurt to try – and if he got away with it, it would give him greater freedom in future.

        The fact that this does not seem to have occurred to Miscavige underlines his lack of imagination and isolation from reality.

        The lemming population is in crisis – so they vote to solve the problem by running over more cliffs.

        • Betsy

          The Mormon Church survived because it DID adapt: the manifesto forbidding polygamy, God’s great change of heart about allowing black men the priesthood, and…will women be next?

          Given the presence of the LDS Church in the US Power Chain, we should all hope fervently that DM does not have an awakening about his lemming problem.

          • Once_Born

            If the Mormon Church can sell the idea of God changing his/her/its mind (I’m omnipotent and omnipresent – what was I thinking) it’s perfectly feasible that the CofS could reinterpret the word of ‘Source’ to suit them.

            While I don’t think Miscavige is capable of this, a successor might be – so you are dead right – we should hope that he remains in charge at least until the CofS is past saving.

            • Verve

              If $ci changes that much, then most of the abuses will go away. If $ci doesn’t change that much, then it will keep withering until it finally craps out. {Source} and Little Boot’s policies have to be totally discarded if $ci will last past 20-30 years. I give that time frame just based on the reputed monetary reserves Mini Booty has accumulated.

            • Once_Born

              Somehow, I doubt that Scientology can fundamentally change.

              Most other new religious movements were created within a larger tradition (for example, Mormonism exists within a Christian tradition). When the charismatic founder is gone, that tradition provides an example of a more moderate stance (so that “most of the abuses go away”).

              Scientology is unique. It is, fundamentally based on pulp science fiction elevated to myth and is the creation of one individual. It exists within no tradition. Even UFO cults share very few similarities.

              If it tries to moderate it has to find its way to a successful new identity with no guidance at all from a pre-existing tradition. The chances of a new management being able to pull of such a creative coup would be low, even if they did not have to start with a public image that ranges from amusement to contempt.

              It would take a remarkable new charismatic leader to guide them out of this wilderness. While this is possible, I think it’s unlikely.

              The money can protect them from the law, to some extent, but it apparently can’t bring in new members – and an organisational collapse can take place even when they have millions in reserve.

              Finally, no-one really knows how much money they do have, or how quickly it is draining away.

              My bet would be for a organisational collapse (there is no-one in the orgs and they are doing no business) within 10 years, possible sooner.

            • Verve

              I agree with you, O_B. I can’t think of any leader that could pull $ci out of its pit at this point- too much press and knowledge has been available to the public at this point, and my guess is that more of the abuses will come to light in the near future.

              I agree, in the information era, something like $ci can’t last much longer. It got away with a lot of its crap earlier because no one would hear about it. Now, with Tony, Mike and Marty, Anonymous, ESMB, etc. it can’t do a damn thing without it being known.

              It’s just too bad it will take time to watch it fall apart.

      • El Con Blubbard

        I have many friends tell me recently that they are getting really strange questions from staff via e-mail…

        like “do you have an upset or disagreement with Management or COB” are being sent via e-mails to those that are not showing any “interest” or are telling staff “I have a huge Scientology debt I need to pay off – that is why I am not going in”…

        The actual truth and REALITY – everyone is leaving in droves but forced to stay under the radar due to “disconnection” COMM EV’S and other enforced punishments.

        NO one is allowed to have any disagreements with anyone or it is a high crime….and the “write ups” go in the shredder unless the Organization needs money – then they file them in your Ethics Folder to pull out when they need to extort money for “saving themselves” and their stat!

        Scientology truly is the “science of lying” – you have to lie if you are out…you have to lie if you are in…always in the best interest to survive and cover your ass!

        Think about it – it isn’t to “save the planet” – it is to save yourself…and the lies become bigger and bigger until no one remembers what lies they said to who or when or why…so they just stop talking or thinking for themselves.

        I must admit – I am a liar on the subject of Scientology. I don’t want any harassment or disconnection with friends and family – so I LIE and by nature of the TECH, one must lie! Enforced lying tech by El Con Hubbard!!

        It is just KSW – See how Scientology works when standardley applied? Total SMASH to everyone including David Miscavige – in the end – everyone loses~!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          These are the exact same survey questions that went out during The Great Escape of 82 – 84, sniffing out “counter intention to management”.

          We know how well that band aid helped in stemming the hemorrhaging of both public and staff.

          GAT2 is at least the 3rd do over for the members still in. The mandatory do over from the bottom up including student hat, and the $10,000 to cough up just for the meters should pretty much have all 2 or 3 people in the org at a grinding halt. My best guess is that the whales are just saying no to the endless requests/demands to act as loan central for others who already owe them from the last do overs. And if the matriarch or patriarch of these veteran families aren’t the ones waking up, their grandchildren are saying No F’n way to the sea org or to draining their inheritance to the local IAS vultures.

          Wholesale declares is the signal that indicates the orgs have lost all control. If this is happening in Clearwater/Flag as well as LA., then it means the sea org orgs are also in distress. I am looking to hear reports of sea org staff leaving. Already so understaffed, it won’t be like the 80’s, it will mean orgs actually closing down one after the other. Clearwater and LA bases seem to already being consolidated and will be the last lights on.

          • Observer

            ..

            Edit: Sorry about the multiples. Only one showed in the image screen in the reply box. Let’s have a round of applause for the highly functional and reliable Disqus, shall we?

            • joan nieman

              That is so appropriate OBS! Good shoop as always!

          • Betsy

            The last sentence must be the fervent prayer of the residents of Clearwater. Does this mean that the hotel and restaurant parts of these things are also emptying out? Or were they always just patronized by the Kool-Aid Krowd?

        • El Con Blubbard

          2 down arrows – Mornin OSA!! Can I get one more so I can get out of “normal”? LOL

          Why don’t you identify yourself? Why the secrecy – if you are upset about something I said in my post, let’s here it! You can make up a name for yourself…but at least tell us what the down arrow is all about. I am very interested!! Truly!!

          What got you interested in Scientology? How does that seem to you now?

          Where from do you hail? Where are you on the Bridge? What is your IAS status? How many family members and friends do you have that are on staff or in the Sea Org?

          You can say anything here – the E-meter does not work. Just think good thoughts when you are getting sec checked and you will bypass any reads…..mock up a beautiful picture and be in it while the sec check is going on. Then – envision the Auditor in a clown uniform….complete with BIG red nose…have fun with it …don’t take it seriously.

          If you want to leave – let us know. We will help you!!

    • Robert Eckert

      An old saying, also used as a title for a book about court-martials: “Military Justice is to Justice as Military Music is to Music.” I think we can equally say “Scientology Justice is to Justice as Scientology Music is to Music.”

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZd7MzF1RlA

  • Espiando

    With one of the bases of Scientology being “you took it in”, any CommEv that comes out with a verdict of innocent is violating KSW and any number of tech references. The defendant HAS to be at fault in order for Scientology to be correct, and we all know what’s best for the greatest number of dynamics, don’t we?

    Describing the Scientology justice system as a “kangaroo court” is a mortal insult to courts and to all marsupials everywhere.

  • Truthiwant

    Here’s what happened to my Comm Ev…

    I had for many months been criticizing Saint Hill for what I believed was bad or incorrect auditing. I had made this very clear to Saint Hill and I obviously got them annoyed. I objected to the way they were treating me and, to cut a long story short, the result was a Comm Ev.

    As many of you here know, I live in Italy and when Saint Hill told me that I had been summoned for a Comm Ev, I told them that I could not come to Saint Hill for it. This, however, was not a problem for them and a couple of days later I got a phone call and with no prior warning, I was told that I was to have the Comm Ev, right there and then, over the phone.

    The Sea Org Executive told me that their own phone was hooked up to an external speaker and that there were four other Sea Org members in the room that would be witnesses to my declaration. I obviously had never experienced a situation like this in my life but I trusted them at the time.

    I spoke very well, telling all the reasons to why I was rightly criticizing the auditing cycle. I knew that everything I said was correct and truthful. I was then asked a few questions, and that was it. The Sea Org Executive told me that the Comm Ev was over and that the outcome would be communicated to me once the committee arrived at a verdict.

    The next day I was declared a source of trouble type D!

    The most ethical people on the planet had probably decided beforehand the outcome of the Comm Ev, I think. By that time, I had become an undesirable person for Saint Hill and it was their way of telling me to abide by the ‘rules’ of the Church or f— off.

    In the end, after quite a long time, I decided to f— off. It was the best decision of my life!

    • El Con Blubbard

      I was told Ethics was to put the person “at slight gentle cause” and the person was to come to their own conclusions. I was so excited about Scientology Ethics.

      Soon, I saw exactly how this Organization operates and that is to put everyone at BIG HARD CORE EFFECT using Registrars, Sec Checks, Videos of Gloom and Doom, “The Pyschs are out to get us” and the constant lies about expansion and clearing the planet!

      I noticed the bribery of Opinion Leaders so they would speak at the events intended to trick the clubbed seals into believing this person just walked into the door and initiated waxing enthusiasm for the Cult. When I saw one of these Opinion Leaders READING THE TELEPROMPTER at a Ideal Org Grand Opening – I was sick to my stomach! These speeches were written BY Scientology!

      I also noticed the covert methods of invalidation and nullification to everyone, especially the staff and Sea Org. I noticed when a staff or public member left – a rumor would be going around as to “they were a Psych case”, “they left town”, “it’s their case”, they were “Illegal PC’s”…they were a “Drug Case”, “financial irregularities”, PTS etc….and I heard stuff like that about active staff members too. I heard about a long time auditor and the fact she never went above Clear because she was a heavy drug user and cannot go any further this lifetime!

      I “obnosed” that Scientology did not use their own tech when it came to obtaining and keeping money, which I realized was more important to Scientology than human life. Cash is the God in Scientology Religion!

      I obnosed LIES, EXTORTION, LIES and COVER UPS and then using the ‘tech’ to protect those that lied so the Organization gets to keep the money always! Slick, Lawyered-up contracts presented for signature AFTER money is on account….designed so the Organization always wins…the staff member and public always lose. The lies that are told as to why the “lawyered-up” contracts – The SP’s have tried to destroy us and we have to protect Scientology and YOU DON’T get a copy, you don’t get to have legal representation…you SIGN it and trust us. Then if one ever wants to leave because they found out the whole thing is a scam – Scientology Organization gets to keep all money on all accounts everywhere. It is a high crime to sue Scientology and file complaints to AG, IRS or other legal entities to protect the public against these criminal methods from Non-Profits! HOW CLEVER!!

      Due to already having “self-determinism” long before I walked into that cult and refusing to be part of this “pan determinism” of robotism and cultie-ism, I left the Church of Lie-en-tology and am so happy I did!!

      The “Ethics” in Scientology is used to hide the crimes and minimize them. It is also used to maximize the “crimes” that person has done and make up the damage to the Organization, not the people involved. (LRH even said “what you did was terrible….what we do just needed a cram” in his Aberrative Personality tech).

      The MAA’s at Flag comb through Ethics Folders and bring up overts from long ago – then assign the lower condition and degrade the person and inform them they have to pay $$$$$$$$ in order to get out of that lower condition…in order to get in session (this is Extortion and is a felony in the US and other Country’s).

      One thing we can all count on….the Criminal always gets caught and this Organization is criminal and it is getting caught!

      Thank God for the internet and those who were in, know and are exposing what they know!

      • joan nieman

        Your story ends with a finality, a decision you came to and released the bonds of the cherch. It is criminal that they keep your money but you are more important and you are here now.

      • Good lord, El Con, how did you miss it? It’s to put the person at “slight mental pause.”

    • joan nieman

      Good for you Truthi! You are free now.

    • Madora Pennington

      I got a PTS D for criticizing horrible auditing. Princess Alicia Petit did a Quentin – falsified worksheets, and yes, this was investigated and acknowledged. However, no mandatory declare and expulsion for Princess Alicia. Her daddy is in good standing with COB, harming people at CCI.

      Yes, it is a crime to complain about your auditing.

      Very proud of my PTS D. When the most sinister of organizations calls you a troublemaker, it is a compliment.

      • Cat Daddy

        “Princess Alicia Petit did a Quentin”

        Kima Douglas on Quentin:

        “This kid was a miserable, miserable boy. He was good at the tech. His
        father crucified him – had him com-eved [tried in a Scientology court], thrown
        in the RPF [forced labour], declared out-tech [heretical]. He was not a boy
        with a manly demeanour. He was a little kid out of his depth. He knew he could
        never compete with his father. He was in a no win situation. Hubbard put him
        into isolation after a suicide attempt, then put in the RPF.”

        http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/miller/interviews/kima.htm

        • Betsy

          Karen de la Carriere has a wonderful video about Quentin and his suicide. I can’t find it…maybe you can?

  • MO Mom

    Pneumonia sucks. Had it a few years ago and would not wish it on anyone. Took me over a month to get back to normal after I got rid of it.

    If I ever was normal, for the smart asses out there.

    Get well soon, Jake.

  • anonmonkyoutube

    Because the COS likes to speak in a language heavily fortified by military terms I decided to call my recently developed Smart Weapon the ‘Word Bomb’ (If Hubbard can make things up so can I!).

    The purpose of the Word Bomb is to tie up OSA staffs’ time by way of ‘word clearing’ (their term).

    A Scientologist is not allowed to go pass a word they don’t understand. They must go through a process and get a full understanding of the word and all definitions.

    An example of a Word Bomb (google ‘Complicated words etc’).

    Then list the words here (I hope this is ok). For a bit of extra fun you can add a made up word! Or even add a few extra letters to an existing one. (Hee hee)

    Anyway my theory is if this process takes OSA staff away from what they are doing ie harassing ‘WOGS’ We all win!;) Sure their stats will go up clearing. I hope you share my enthusiasm!

    Best

    Anonmonk

    Ablutophobia.

    Ailurophile

    Amalgamation

    Antidisestablishmentarianism

    Dermatoglyphics

    Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia

    Keratoprosthesis

    Leukopenia

    Sesquipedality

    Zeugmatography

    Acetaminophen

    Acetohexamide

    Acetone

    Acetylcholine

    Acetylcysteine

    Acetylsalicylic

    • John Smith

      This reminds me of this from Blackadder!

      http://youtu.be/hOSYiT2iG08

      • anonmonkyoutube

        Love it! Love it! Love it!

      • Missionary Kid

        For those of you unfamiliar with Blackadder, in this scene, under the makeup, you’ll see Rowan Atkinson, who became world famous as Mr. Bean, and Hugh Laurie, who us Americans best know as House, M.D.

        • Modesto

          And Robbie Coltrane is probably best known as Hagrid from the Harry Potter movies

          • Espiando

            But none of them have knighthoods. Tony Robinson does.

    • Shirley Eugeste

      Sounds like a job for Twas Brillig and the Slithy Toves…

      (I get all mimsy just thinking about it!)

    • Missionary Kid

      If you edit the list and repost it, the line spacing will disappear to subsequent people refreshing or logging on.

      • anonmonkyoutube

        Is this right? Have edited lines out?

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s why, when I first publish a list, I don’t put the list in, unless it’s short, then I have people refresh. If you refresh and take a look at your list now, it is one long paragraph. If you push return after a word, a new line starts with no line spacing when you save the edit.

    • El Con Blubbard

      Mamihlapinateapai

      Clue – this can lead to “Bi-Blubbard Disorder” in Scientology!

    • Shirley Eugeste

      “One other person is typing…”

      Dactylic trimeter?

      Heck, throw in all literary/linguistic terminology. I’m betting there’s not a lot of good old iambic pentameter (etc) in the curriculum at Delphi.

      Or complimentary schismogenesis. (The best kind of schismogenesis!)

      • Shirley Eugeste

        Or pretty much any of these:

        http://literary-devices.com

      • Robert Eckert

        One other person is typing a Homeric dactylic hexagram.

    • aegerprimo

      Here is oneof my favs. This is a real word…

      Esophagogastroduodenoscopy

      • Missionary Kid

        It’s no fun if you have to undergo one. 😉

      • John P.

        Sounds like they go in from both ends. I can hardly wait until I’m old enough to have one included in my annual physical exam. The thing with the rubber glove is awkward enough.

        • aegerprimo

          It’s EGD for short… and is through the mouth to examine the esophagus, stomach, and first part of small intestine. The – colonoscopy – goes through the anus to examine the entire large intestine (aka colon). I am not old enough, nor do I have any gastro-intestinal conditions. As an OR scrub, I have participated in both endoscopic procedures, and the patient is usually put under twilight anesthesia. It can be uncomfortable for the patient, but he/she will not remember it. The “rubber glove” exam that men undergo is to check the prostate to check for benign prostate hyperplasia. Have fun with that when you reach 50 John!
          (sorry for the derail.)

      • sugarplumfairy

        Ouch..

    • kemist

      That’s a bit like a xml zip bomb.

      But it’s more efficient to use something recursive. You could use recursive acronyms like GNU (Gnu’s Not Unix).

    • Mark

      Fnurd (sometimes spelt “fnord”).

  • PRenaud

    Concrete evidence that Barbara’s husband is hidding what’s happening to her… he probably does not want to be convened for a “Comm Ev” cause he knows that it may destroy him.

    • Pepsicat

      Oh he’s fucked already – he ended up on Ortega’s radar and that will be enough to get him declared, with or without comm ev.

      • George Layton

        COS knows that money that could be used for professional mental health care should really go to the shortest dynamic.

  • Lord Xenu, OT XV

    Roslyn, call an ambulance to pick up your friend and take him to the hospital, if that has not happened yet. Don’t be concerned about insurance if he had none. By law, the hospital has to treat those in need of life-saving care.

  • Missionary Kid

    There are two huge additional differences between military justice and Co$. First, there is oversight by all three branches of the government, and there is always the political course available to complain to one’s congressman or woman or to the press.

    In Co$, there is no oversight, and to go external with complaints is verboten.

  • Missionary Kid

    Vote on what you think the outcome of the Mosey Rathbun’s trial. I was so entranced with the events yesterday that I forgot to post the link to the unscientific survey at http://tonyortega.org/2013/12/15/sunday-funnies-scientology-celebrates-the-holidays/#comment-1167327042

  • Missionary Kid

    Com Ev: It’s always about your $cientology “crimes,” It’s never about $cientology or bigger donator’s mistakes.

  • NOLAGirl

    I’m so glad Tony is staying on Barbara’s story. That call didn’t inspire a lot of confidence. Her poor mother, I don’t know if she reads here but if so, I hope she knows that so many are thinking about her and hoping for a good outcome.

    Another great explanation from Jeff. Thanks for helping never-ins like me understand all this craziness.

    • Madora Pennington

      How evil to call from a throwaway phone, and not let her mother talk to her. Good luck, Barbara, on surviving Scientology alive.

  • Missionary Kid

    I’m sure that most of you are familiar with the lists that I’ve compiled over the last several months. For those of you unfamiliar with the ones I’ve published, for the key, go to http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1147415730

    • aegerprimo

      I love your lists MK!

      • Missionary Kid

        Thanks. They were originally compiled for my amusement. Eventually, I’ll have to cut back, but what is there is a substantial body of the work of Bunkaroos.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Hope you caught John Sweeney’s “potty mouthed psychopath” from yesterday.. I thought that a particularly entertaining moniker for his holiness..

      • Missionary Kid

        Sure did. Thanks.

  • RMycroft

    “He said that Barbara is having good meals, she goes for walks in the country almost every day, that she’s seeing a medical doctor, and that things are fine,”

    A real MD medical doctor, or a naturopath or chiropractor or such?

    • Shirley Eugeste

      And “good meals” is newsworthy? Shouldn’t that go without saying?

      Reminds me of Tommy D announcing that he didn’t swear.

      • Ciru

        I never #*@%#ing swear!

        • Missionary Kid

          If you did, it would make me angry, real angry, so watch your damn language!

          • joan nieman

            Right here, right now….

            • Missionary Kid

              ;-))))

      • Imelda Marcos

        No way. He cracks me up.

      • Suzy

        Yes I would think “good meals” would be kind of a given, unless the specter of a starving and dehydrated Lisa McPherson was hovering over your situation. I wonder who wrote his script.

        • RMycroft

          {Lisa McPherson was an exception. Scientology never does that. Well, hardly ever.}

          Former Scientologist shares familiar tale of force-feeding December 5, 1998, Thomas C. Tobin, St. Petersburg Times

          • Suzy

            That is a horrifying account. In the nursing profession we go to great lengths to prevent aspiration of food into the lungs by patients who are at risk. It sounds like these Scientologists were force-feeding an unconscious woman, a sure way for food to get in her lungs. The food then causes irritation, infection and inflammation and results in aspiration pneumonia.

            • RMycroft

              It’s an area where the “absolute certainty”, that Scientologists brag about in success stories, can be deadly. As well as the reenforcement the Bystander Effect and Obedience to Authority. And unfortunately, people completely out of their depth, are bad at recognizing it.

            • ze moo

              Like a 12 year old ‘medical officer’?

            • Betsy

              That’s a good point. Force-feeding is an awful idea. When a friend was unconscious in intensive care, the problems of aspiration were top on the list of things the IC professionals worked to avoid.

            • joan nieman

              Yes, Suzy. In all my nursing years, I would never force feed. In the hospital, she would have had an i.v. put in to take care of her nourishment and hydration issues. Medication to help stabilize her mentally . All her needs for recovery would be taken care of. Instead, she is locked in a room with no one to talk to and allowed to deteriorate and finally die. Terrible and inhumane.

        • Betsy

          That’s a great point. Which would be kind of a long-shot admission of guilt about Lisa McPherson.

    • Betsy

      I’d like to know that too. More likely the latter, or a nurse.

  • Shirley Eugeste

    and maybe she’s “seeing” a medical doctor the same way someone lost in a desert might “see” a shimmering oasis in the distance?

  • kemist

    ESMB back up for those interested.

  • Shirley Eugeste

    Is this a medical doctor which I see before me,
    The handle toward my hand? Come, let me clutch thee.
    I have thee not, and yet I see thee still.
    Art thou not, fatal vision, sensible
    To feeling as to sight? or art thou but
    A dagger of the mind, a false creation,
    Proceeding from the heat-oppressed brain?

    • RMycroft

      But screw your Scientology to the stinky place, and we’ll not fail.

      • Shirley Eugeste

        Screw Scientology. Exactly.

    • Science Doc

      Macbeth

      • Shirley Eugeste

        Dipshit Miscabeth, Thane of Entheta?

        • Science Doc

          All hail Miscabeth, thou shalt be Pope hereafter.

  • Ten Aug

    Comm-Ev = Waste of time… rarely occur these days and as Jeff pointed out the “findings” are rejected until the “correct” verdict is found. Nowadays their “justice” system is far more black and white… Your in (paying up and keeping quite) or your out (not paying in and asking questions).

    Cordova – A throw away phone? I don’t recall that being a part of any “type 3 tek”… I do recall Katie Holmes successfully using one though.

    Jake Anthony – Had pneumonia myself. Not fun. Get well soon my friend.. small dono made… hope you reach your target.

    • Victoria Pandora

      same thing happened to me. i got pnuemonia, and was eventually too sick to try to comtact a dr. my live in boyfriend was an “upstat” auditor at the org, doing the greatest good for the greatest number. a friend who had somehow extracated himself called to check on me… i told him if he came over i would not be able to lpen the door. yep, he had to break in. one more day and i probably would have been dead. it took at least three months to recover to anything approaching normal. so sad… once pnuemonia really gets hold of you, you start waiting for the day you feel well enough to get to a dr. that day doesn’t come. without intervention you really will just die. think jim henson:(

  • Sunny Sands

    That phone call from Robert Oliver sounds like “good roads, fair weather”.

    • Bury_The_Nuts

      Yeah,…..nevermind the psychotic break in the background…..

      • Victoria Pandora

        Translate,”walks in the country” to “running around a tree 12 hours a day”.

  • Ms. B. Haven

    Way back when, I joined staff at a mid-sized Mission to become an ethics officer. I was a young, fresh faced, enthusiastic recruit who really thought that I could do something within scientology to change the world. Well, at least improve the situation locally. When I signed on, I knew that the Mission was doing okay, but the staff were living below the poverty line and most of the full timers were on some sort of government assistance just to keep some food on the table. The part timers were moonlighting at other jobs and were sort of looked down on as not being as dedicated as the full time staff.

    I really thought that all I had to do was get trained and start applying ‘ethics tech’ to the whole staff and the entire situation would quickly turn around and staff would be able to make a decent living. By doing this I was also sure that this improvement in circumstances would allow me to easily recruit even more staff and away we would go, on our way to becoming a Class IV Org where we could deliver some real auditor training and have a tremendous impact on the community.

    I quickly learned that this was not to be the case. While still wearing my new set of rose colored glasses I thought that I was doing something wrong by not getting ethics in on those around me. In hind sight, it is very clear that the reason I was unable to do my job as an ethics officer was because the stuff just doesn’t work. It’s as simple as that. Sure some things work for some people some of the time, but you could say that about almost any subject. I found that ethics is only there to keep people in line with threats, both subtle and overt. The most overt of these threats comes via a comm ev. Mr. Hawkins explains the basis of a comm ev very clearly and there is no need to expand on it except for one point. The ‘convening authority’ does have the final say and it is basically just orders from above regardless of the comm ev’s findings. The comm ev itself is just a formality. It would be much more efficient just to issue an order. The common denominator that I found in my experience is that just about any ethics issue comes down to money. Someone can be a complete asshole committing crimes left and right and it doesn’t matter as long as they have the money to cover their misdeeds. There are countless examples of this that have been relayed through the Bunker and other critic sites. In scientology you can do all the ‘right’ things and get steamrolled if you haven’t got sufficient resources. With money, all you get is a hand slap and you’re good to go. I have NEVER seen it go any other way. NEVER. The best thing I ever did was wake up and get the hell outta there. The next best thing I am doing is trying to wake up some of those that may still be in and sitting on the fence. If you’re on the fence, you are on high ground and can see more clearly than most. Take some advice from Hubbard hisself (even though he probably ‘borrowed’ the idea), Look, don’t Listen. Everything you need to see with your own eyes is right in front of you.

    • 0tessa

      Thanks for sharing.

    • loriisfree

      It is also true that if your stats are up you “can get away with murder” without as much as a slap on the hand! The person who reports an “upstat” (which includes giving large “donations”) individual is the one investigated and subjected to a comm ev. My ex did horrible “forbidden” things to me that could have resulted in arrest and jail had I reported it to outside authorities. He acknowledged what he did and…. because his stats were up (donated $85,000) I was the one nattering and enturbulating! Justice?…. ha!!

      • Andrew Robertson

        From ‘Source’ himself:

        “When people do start reporting a staff member with a high statistic, what you investigate is the person who turned in the report. In an ancient army a particularly brave deed was recognized by an award of the title of Kha-Khan. It was not a rank. The person remained what he was, BUT he was entitled to be forgiven the death penalty ten times in case in the future he did anything wrong. That was a Kha-Khan. That’s what producing, high-statistic staff members are – Kha-Khans. They can get away with murder without a blink from Ethics…. And Ethics must recognize a Kha-Khan when it sees one – and tear up the bad report chits on the person with a yawn.”
        HCOPL 1 Sep 1965, “Ethics Protection”.

        Andrew

        • Mrs. V.

          Shudder.

        • Cat Daddy

          Many abused Scientology kids suffered. Sharone talkes about it in her story

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JUUzC31uLk

          • DeElizabethan

            First time seen, thank you!

            • Cat Daddy

              Glad that posting this still is relevant for new eyes to be seen

          • AutOmatic

            Thanks for posting this, these people’s stories affect me greatly every time I see, hear, or read about them. The things that LRH and his madness put people through are horrifying. The sheer courage of people like Sharone to speak out and tell their stories is heroic. I can’t imagine living through something like what she lived through. I sincerely hope that one day this so-called “church” and it’s policies of human abuses/rights violations will be dismantled, vilified, and made illegal the world over. May those who have been, and are being harmed by this organization receive all our love, support, and blessings.

            • Betsy

              Ditto, I can’t say it nearly as well, but that’s exactly what my reactions are here, every day.

            • Cat Daddy

              ditto

    • K2P2

      Thanks for sharing MsB- and for me, as a never-in, this is most important when you say:

      “The best thing I ever did was wake up and get the hell outta there. The next best thing I am doing is trying to wake up some of those that may still be in and sitting on the fence. If you’re on the fence, you are on high ground and can see more clearly than most. Take some advice from Hubbard hisself (even though he probably ‘borrowed’ the idea), Look, don’t Listen. Everything you need to see with your own eyes is right in front of you.”

    • loriisfree

      Along with money getting someone a free pass on ethic handling goes an “upstat” person. I found this out the hard way. My ex’s stats were up when abused me horribly in ways that were both illegal under the law but under “church” definition of aberative behavior. Like a good kool aide drinker I thought the justice system inside would “handle” him. Wrong.

      He readily admitted what he did, and, because his stats were in affluence (AND he spontaneously donated $80,000 toward the next status) absolutely NOTHING was done…. to him. Not even a finger wag!! That was when my senior informed me that when a scientologist’s stats are up he could get away with murder and not be punished! WOW

      Me, I was hauled into ethics, accused of nattering and given a non enturbulation order! Boy, were my eyes open then! Why I stayed another 3 years I’ll never understand but thank God above for Anonymous and others for screaming out loud enough to wake me up!!

    • Betsy

      One thing that has struck me (as a never-in) is the complete pointlessness of “Knowledge Reports.” As Jeff Hawkins says, they can be used against the person on trial; or they can be branded a “lie” and used against the reporter. In a real-world situation (ideally, of course) something like a “knowledge report” would presumably be checked and submitted or not submitted to the court depending on its truthfulness. That check-and-balance isn’t even a pretense in what I am reading about here.

      • Lady Squash

        “That check-and-balance isn’t even a pretense in what I am reading about here.” You are correct Betsy. There are no checks and balances. The whole thing is such a joke, a cruel joke actually. Knowledge reports are supposed to be “just the facts” and are supposed to be based on SCN ethics code violations. But the Ethics Codes are often vague and open to interpretation and the KRs are most often a “he said, she said” matter. It’s a sham, a pretend justice system, just like it is a pretend religion and LRH had a pretend past. It’s all smoke and mirrors.

  • RMycroft

    Here a section of a 90s membership contract for the Celebrity Centre. Apologies for the fuzziness. Since everyone has to sign a contract to be on course anywhere in Scientology, there are probably crisper versions with similar clauses on the net.

    • Suzy

      RMycroft – documents! Love them, thank you.

    • Observer

      Those lying liars who lie! That whole first sentence of 9. is designed to mislead people into thinking they have no recourse other than Scientology’s “arbitration”, which is just as above board as its Comm Ev process. Laura and the Garcias are proving it’s a lie. If that sentence were true, their cases would have been thrown out of court by now.

      • RMycroft

        I believe the Comm Evs are part of the “Ethics, Justice and Binding Religious Arbitration system”.

        • Ruby

          yes, they are.

      • Ruby

        I believe also that with the Garcias, part of their request is for $$ that was left on account…they had not officially enrolled on the service the money was allocated for, so, they did not sign any agreement contract for THAT money.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Binding religious arbritration. wot? I forget the legal term, but basically these contracts are so overweighted entirely for one party and against the other, they would be considered not enforceable.

      So this is where that “ecclesiastical” term came from. Wondered about that. Makes sense it comes from legal deception.

      When I first heard that people could buy their way out of ethics, I knew the inevitable slide into tyranny had reached its tipping point. It serves as an effective wake up call or at least red flag for many.

      • Robert Eckert

        The legal term is “unconscionable”

    • RMycroft

      The document is originally from Roger Gonnet’s wonderful collection of documents, but darned if I can find it right now. So here’s a temporary link to a copy:

      http://173.206.189.58:8088/files/PDFs/CCCONTRACT.pdf

      Scientology is a master of the genre of horror legal contracts.

      • Betsy

        Thanks, you are a mine of useful sources!

    • Silence of the Clams

      “I understand and acknowledge that because of constitutional prohibitions which forbid governmental interference with religious services or dispute resolutions…” Utter bullshit.

      “The church shall designate an arbitrator”. Oh, well how nice of them. This insures a fair trial I’m sure.

      So people have to sign one of these to be on course. And I assume that means they are “newbies” at this point (and If I’m wrong, sorry). If that’s the case: why the fuck would anyone sign this? Someone hands you this and you don’t run screaming from the building?

      I’ve been following this stuff for a long time and I’ve heard the rational for how people get sucked in. I get it and I genuinely feel for those that have had to suffer because of these pricks. But when I see something like this it’s hard to imagine there was any rational thought in signing it.

      • Missionary Kid

        There isn’t any rational thought. The decision is borne from emotional manipulation.

    • Meccaanon

      This is nonsense. The rules of an organisation do not supersede local, State or Federal laws or regulations (if located i n the US.)

      Last I heard, Scientology does not have any sovereign territory such as the Catholic Church has in Rome.

  • Imelda Marcos

    So, along with the other influences Hubbard cribbed and/or stole from philosophies around the world, I’m assuming he got Comm Ev from the Red Guard: http://eightarms.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Victim-of-the-Cultural-Revolution-2.jpg

    • Couch_Incident

      I thought of the Soviet troikas meting out “justice” under Lenin & Stalin – usually a rubber stamp process.

  • Davka

    I am not usually a long commenter, but I have a few thoughts I feel compelled to share. Please skip if I rant on too long.

    Having represented clients in a courtroom, I know all too well the imperfections of our “justice” system, but I am absolutely floored at the draconian, Big Brother, Star Chamber like qualities of these proceedings. Good Lord, are these people serious? Is this a justice system? I have read enough here at the Bunker and Marty and Mike’s to understand how and why things get here, why people submit themselves to such things, but good night nurse! It boggles my mind to think that actual legal precepts have been so sorely twisted and abandoned in the name of LRH’s bastardization of the military justice system.

    I have been a non-practicing lawyer for a long time, in part because I realized I didn’t have the fire to be a litigator – I’m no Ray Jeffrey. But I do know many honorable advocates – who are truly officers of the court, and they would be apoplectic to know what this “justice system” is all about. I know a lot of people here are not so hot on lawyers, but my kind truly is not all bad (insert agreement to disagree here, fellow Bunkerites:)

    Oh, I’d love for there to be a reason for Judge Waldrip to hear about a Comm. Ev. Or watch Lamont Jefferson or Cedillo have to defend or explain that one. Geesh.

    Finally, when I read that this series is almost over, I was so sad! This is one of the best series I’ve read here. Heck, even Marty is linking to it on his blog and inviting his readers to take a look.

    Ok, long comment over. Back to my coffee….

    • kemist

      If Jefferson or Cedillo had to defend Comm-Evs, they’d simply say it’s a “religious” system. Or something CEOs do. Or is it something only “ecclesiastical CEOs” do ?

      I’m getting confused about this Miscavige’s titles. Pope, COB, CEO, captain… It’s as if he’s trying to claim all the titles in all organizations everywhere as long as it means “boss”.

      • Ruby

        “the Boss”…he uses that one too. He was referred to as the boss in the video of Debbie Cook signing her exit papers, as well as one of the lawyers using that term in an earlier proceeding somewhere here.

      • aegerprimo

        Nail. On. Head. Kemist!
        I’m surprised DM has not used Capo di tutti capi or Master of the Universe yet.

        • Betsy

          Or just plain “God.”

        • kemist

          I don’t think he has the insight to understand how it underlines, in bright flashing font, just how much of an insecure little twerp he is.

          Hubbard was the same.

          I read the recommendation letters and articles he wrote for himself using his influential friends’ identities and they are utterly ridiculous. How can somebody be so unselfconscious as to write such ego-masturbating dreck about themselves ?

      • Free Minds, Free Hearts

        One of the radio shows in Ireland covering the fiasco this week referred to him as “the boss man, sounds robotic…”

    • Missionary Kid

      Like most things in Co$, it’s a perversion of common societal rules and organizations, but the vocabulary words are retained, and their meanings changed. It’s all done for control of the individual by the COB.

      • Davka

        Absolutely – but it’s breathtaking in its scale and scope, it is literally the world turned upside down. Like an episode of Star Trek or Doctor Who when they visit some alternate dimension – or Bizarro world in the Superman comics.

        • Missionary Kid

          As someone put it, and I collected on my list of things said about Co$, “It is ALWAYS opposite day in Scientology!”

      • Priscilla

        True, Missionary Kid! But when it suits them, they use the ‘wog’ justice system. Here, they insist on full justice for themselves, which includes the power to inflict their version of justice on their ‘parishioners’ and anyone else they have set their sights on.

        • Priscilla

          Hmmm, was I unclear or did I annoy a co$ volunteer/employee?

    • ze moo

      The come ev and clam refund procedures will get a going over in the Garcia case. I foresee much derision when the court sees that ‘justice’.

    • Mrs. V.

      Very nicely said.

    • sugarplumfairy

      I’ve said this before because unlike you, I speak even when I have nothing to say.. You don’t say much, Davka, but when you do, you nail it..

      • Davka

        Thanks SPF! I think you underestimate the contributions you make – I always look forward to reading your comments.

    • El Con Blubbard

      Davka – YES – this is what attracted me to Scientology. I know the justice system in the courts sucks…it is insane…so when I came upon Scientology Ethics (I am finding that difficult to put those two words together Scientology + Ethics = oxymoron LOL) – I was very excited!!

      That excitement did not last long. It is so much WORSE than the wog justice system! It is cruel and inhumane all designed to keep the Miscavige Show on the Road!

    • Betsy

      Slightly on the topic of yesterday’s courtroom antics, I’m really baffled by the continued behavior of the CO$ and DM attorneys, who are keeping up idiotic efforts that simply anger Judge W. Is this because they really are forced, as long as they are on the job, to do what DM tells them instead of his taking their advice?

      Of course we can’t complain, as it is bending the whole thing more and more in the right direction. But in a “normal” trial, if the attorney continually badgered and annoyed the judge, wouldn’t his client have grounds for an appeal in that he had been represented badly? Oh, oh…that isn’t the idea, is it?

      • Cat Daddy

        It’s more that if they piss off the judge to the extent that he looses his cool than they might have someting.

        • Betsy

          Oh dear. I hope Judge W. is practicing Mindfulness and/or taking Valiums.

          • Cat Daddy

            I think he is fully aware by now, He has turned out to be a giant amongst men.

            • Betsy

              You’re right…so far Judge W. rules!

        • Once_Born

          Agreed!

          Whatever this court decides, it seems clear that the CofS will appeal, so that their hired gun (shame on him) can do his best to strike its decision down.

          In the meantime, they are fundamentally trying to do the same thing to the judge that they did to John Sweeney. why else would they:

          1) Pursue so many daft arguments and pointless appeals if not to annoy him (and to force him to make as many decisions as possible so that they have more potential appeals)
          2) Pay to have a ex-supreme court judge in the court (rather than just reading the transcripts) if not to put the judge under pressure?

          The position of the CofS is, on the face of it, indefensible. The only way they can wriggle out of this case is by neutralising the judge – put him under pressure, so that he makes a ruling that can be appealed or (ideally) make him lose his temper so that he has to remove himself from the case altogether.

          So far, so good – but the poor man is going to require superhuman patience.

          • PraiseBeToXenu

            I’m totally sure they will appeal. After all, these are some of the most highly-paid lawyers in the country, working full-time for a client that has almost bottomless funds. Anything to win, and to show a wog or BDA who’s boss. But take heart: I’m also totally sure that it will never get anywhere. If they do piss the judge off enough, he could jail them for contempt. In fact, it won’t surprise me one bit if he ends up jailing Davey Whose Still in the Fake Navy (Billy Joel reference, for those who don’t know). For either trying to skip out on being deposed, or for one of his inevitable episodes whenever he is dealing with actual people!

            But anyway, my money’s on DM demanding an appeal when they inevitably lose the case, and when they have to make restitution to the Rathbuns. At ANY cost, and against all advice, including from his own lawyers. But again, it won’t get anywhere.

  • EnthralledObserver

    We don’t have ‘throwaway’ phones in Australia. All phones require a SIM card which needs to be activated, requiring the ID of a person over 18. And all calls from a phone give the approximate location of where the call was made and who it was made to. I don’t know if that is an overall good or bad thing, but Arlene would know where her daughter was under similar circumstances in Australia.

    • Betsy

      Once more Australia triumphs in the good sense competition.

  • 0tessa

    Scientology ethics, be it Comm Ev, whatever, is a gotspe.
    The whole of Scientology is a gotspe.
    It is only about money.
    Always.

    • Robert Eckert

      I thought it was a goatse

    • Missionary Kid

      I had to look up gotspe.: A grave insolence, a brutality.

  • Ruby

    I have had several experiences with Comm Evs, on both the receiving end and giving end. What Jeff describes here is exactly what I went thru. And as Simi mentioned below, one can request a Comm Ev to sort out an injustice, however, it will turn into just the opposite and impose even more injustice.
    There is also a policy by Hubbard where he states that because the Comm Ev is a justice action by the group upon the individual, if the individual straightens up and gets his own ethics in, you do not need to carry on with justice actions, and thus canceling the comm ev procedure would be fine. Well…good on paper, but does not happen in practice. On both of the Comm Evs that were called on me when I was on staff, I had already assigned myself lower conditions, received sec checks (at MY expense), did many hours of “amends” and retrains on materials (at MY expense), before the Comm Ev was even convened. Yet, somehow it was always necessary to keep going on that Comm Ev route to make sure I really got the point of how bad and horrible I was for…get this…regging people for services and letting them know at the time that we had some bills to pay, so it would be really good if they could pay now. Yes…I received a comm ev for that on one occasion.

    • Observer

      Honesty is out ethics!

      • Missionary Kid
        • Ruby

          definitely! Good one from Obs!

      • Ruby

        omg…you are so right!
        And on the other Comm Ev I received, circumstances had to do with expressing a disagreement with an order a “senior” management person gave me that I would not do. It was off policy and I honestly stated that. But, I was accused of mistrusting management and trying to undermine a senior executive, etc. Prior to that, I did not mistrust management, but that experience opened my eyes to now begin looking at what was really happening.

        • Betsy

          It sounds as though the simple TRUST that members have in the structure and in the leaders is one of CO$’ most potent weapons.

          • Ruby

            Yes, Betsy. For me, in those earlier years, I hadn’t really thought much about “trust” as it was really more a matter of just seeing that policy and tech were being followed. If it wasn’t, you wrote it up to get corrected, and “trust” was not the issue. Somewhere it came to be that if you questioned an order, suddenly it came to mean that you obviously “mistrusted” the person. To me, the 2 did not have to relate. Well, that’s what gets run in on the members now and in my opinion, opens the door to BLIND trust.

            • Once_Born

              It seems that this another case of the redefinition of common words. They tell you that they tell you have to ‘trust’ that policy and management are effective – but that really means that you are required to have blind faith.

              Trust is mutual, and has limits. What the CofS requires is a one-sided, unthinking, commitment – and if you waver, they will use a show trial to demonstrate that, “the party is always right”.

        • joan nieman

          In other words the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        War is Peace, Google is Hearsay

    • joan nieman

      Ruby, it is ridiculous in any way you perceive it. Glad you are out and here in the Bunker!

      • Ruby

        Me too, Joan! Thanks. 🙂

  • Shirley Eugeste

    Chocolate? What chocolate? I don’r know what you’re talking about. (So sayeth Kid Chocolate Face.)

    A lesson in the importance of maintaing plausible deniability:

    http://tinyurl.com/kneyppx

    • Shirley Eugeste

      “Guest?” Disqus, you wound me. After all we’ve shared…

      • Missionary Kid

        Huh? I don’t see guest. All I see is Shirley Eugeste. Seems like Disqus is playing with you.

        • Shirley Eugeste

          I feel so marginalized…

          • Missionary Kid

            What I meant was, when you post, I don’t see “Guest.” I see “Shirley Eugeste.” Is that what you meant?

            • sugarplumfairy

              I see “guest” for the original comment “Chocolate…”, but I think it’s fixed now and Shirley need no longer feel marginalized.. She’s official now..

            • Mrs Libnish

              I still see “Guest”

            • Missionary Kid

              Did you refresh?

  • chukicita

    Is Barbara Cordova Oliver in Tennessee?

    Four WInds Ranch was/is located in Texas and is/was licensed by RTC and CSI. THe below link is to a thread on WWP where this ranch is discussed. Someone else brought up on the thread a similar ranch in TENNESSEE. Maybe it’s been repurposed from stashing failed Sea Org kids to stashing psychotic breaks?

    https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/four-winds-ranch-dumping-ground-for-failed-scientology-kids.56454/

    “It is variously listed at 461 Cedar Crest Lane and 416 Cedar Crest Lane Woodbury TN in their icann registrations. They have some license or other that lists them at 220 sunshine lane.
    Their hideously long domain names are lifecenterforanewtomorrow.com (proxy, bitches) and theranchwherefreedombegins.com (also proxy). It looks like some sort of half-assed teen bootcamp complete with luxury housing. See also: a shed.

    When they aren’t busy warehousing problem kids, they flog herbal medicine for animals elsewhere on the net.”

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Details were noted the other day. I was surprised to find they were still open, but one of their staff, Chris Hollenbeck, Supervisor, still has it as his place of employment on his FB page. Not sure about that ranch for the kids.

    • Tony Ortega

      I called the guy who runs the Woodbury place Tuesday in an update to the story.

      • Robert Eckert

        Tory called them up too, not asking about Barbara but as if interested in placing someone there, and found the guy quite candid about how he relies on “Hubbard tech”

        • Betsy

          I missed this message…was it on the Bunker? Hubbard tech. How comforting. Let’s all stop worrying. Brrr.

    • RMycroft

      From their National Provider Identifier, the address seems to be 220 Sunshine Ln, Woodbury, TN.

      I didn’t have TheRanchWhere… Tentacled now.

    • grundoon

      2009 WWP thread on Life Center for a New Tomorrow

      • chukicita

        Yes, I’m aware of that. I thought it might be germaine here for a few reasons – one being that there’s a facility in Texas that was licensed by RTC and CSI within the past couple years (who doesn’t do business in Texas again?) and, separately, that this facility in Tennessee seems to have moved from teen bootcamp to drug rehab. Given the similarity between the facilities, I wondered how many of these there are (remembering the Mace Kingsley ranch also), and if it’s possible that another use for them might be a place to “treat” psychotic breaks among adult staffers or other Scientologists.

    • Snippy_X

      It’s 17 deg F in Nashville right now. It’s been like that all week. A bit chilly for “walks in the country.”

  • aegerprimo

    Kangaroo Court…
    (refresh)

  • BosonStark

    I wonder if Tom Cruise Comm Evs himself. He’s mentioned that he puts ethics into himself and others. He could appoint body thetans to serve as his tribunal.

    Christians have Judgement Day, but for clam staff and Sea Org, every day is judgement day. How can they stand it?

    • Betsy

      Several upvotes for this. This whole scenario reminds me of the Costa-Gavros film, the Confession, about the show trials in Eastern Europe previous to a huge Soviet purge.

      The purged high-ups appeared over and over to confess incredible things. This really happened. Most of them must have known they would be executed after their “confessions,” yet they continued…one can only imagine that they had become so saturated with judgments over the years that it seemed “right” to them.

      In the ads the talk about freedom and liberation from sorrow is so dominant. Then the reality.

      • The classic novel on show trials is “Darkness at Noon”, by Arthur Koestler. It’s not a long novel, and is a stunning work in its’ own right.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkness_at_Noon

        • Betsy

          I’ve been hearing about Koestler and this novel in particular for years. It sounds like it’s time to put it on the pile…(I even have a copy!) Thanks for the reference…

          • Koestler was an interesting chap. I also recommend his biography of Kepler from “The Sleepwalkers”, it has been published as a separate book.

            • Betsy

              That one I hadn’t heard of. But reading about Kepler is something I wouldn’t mind doing. i’m kind of embarrassed not to have read Koestler. One of my family members was kind of a Koestler fanatic as a young man. (That’s how I come to have Darkness at Noon.) Thanks again!

              I think the state of the people who were put through the purges must have been very similar to what Scientologists talk about in the Comm Evs. Last night I was reading in Jon Atack’s book about the Mission Owners who were disenfranchised very brutally when Miscavige et al were moving into power, while Elron was busy shedding his body. He talked about a “gang sec-check” that one guy was put through. It must be similar to brutal interrogations everywhere. They didn’t hurt him physically, but by the end he was agreeing to pay all kinds of outrageous sums for his out-ethics views. Apparently they locked him in a room and a group of them screamed accusations and “questions” at him non-stop until he folded.

              It’s good to know about all these methods, whether they crop up in cults or political systems or whatever. Elron seems to have been well-informed about brutality of various kinds. Maybe he also read Koestler…? Jon Atack’s book is just one shock after another.

        • jeff

          Arthur Koestler also wrote “Ghost in the Machine” from whence the Police appropriated the title for their third record.

          • Robert Eckert

            Koestler did not invent the phrase, which was a standard way of referring to “Cartesian dualism” (mind =/= body) among philosophers, particularly those critical of the dualist picture.

            • stanrogers

              No, but he did write a particular book having that phrase as a title, that being the book from which the Police took the name of the album. It’s not about origins of phrases or etymology, it’s about what Gord, Andy and Stewart were reading at the time. Oh, and the phrase itself is far more recent than Cartesian duality, originating with Ryle in 1949.

            • Robert Eckert

              Ah. I didn’t realize you had heard that the Police were specifically reading that book. I thought you were just assuming that was where it came from.

  • Dr_Orpheus

    In the military, a higher rank means the defendant is less likely to be convicted and will probably get a shorter sentence if convicted. In Scientology, the top banana gets total immunity, and everyone else is presumed guilty.

    • Missionary Kid

      But in the military, higher rank also means that there are standards that do not apply to enlisted men. There is the catch-all of Conduct Unbecoming of a Military Officer.

      The ending of a career can be very devastating to a person whose identity is as a military officer.

      • Robert Eckert

        Ask General Jessup

        • Missionary Kid

          Which case are you referring to? A lot of allowances are made in the military for length of service, as well as whether you went to a service academy. In some ways, that makes bad behavior more egregious, IMO. Withe rank comes responsibility.

          • Robert Eckert
            • Missionary Kid

              I can’t speak to the legal inaccuracies of the film, but, as a former Marine, the actions and protocols are so inaccurate, I haven’t bothered to watch it in total.

              The reason? As a Marine or a part of the naval services, one never salutes unless one is under cover (hat) on. That’s a part of your DNA. I happened to catch the end of the film when I was waiting for it to restart. I ended up hooting and laughing at the supposed Marine saluting without his piss cutter, aka, fore and aft cap on.

              The fiction of the Caine Mutiny was better constructed.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Pfffft…The only guiding factor is the money. For staff, it would be who makes the most money for the area directly, so usually it is the regges that are protected. Oh, they usually are the ones most directly involved in financial fraud. That’s convenient! For public, it’s who either makes the most money for the area by personal donations or by bringing in customers who make major donations. These would be the FSM’s usually, just another title for salesmen. Sci salesmen makes commissions, even staff, so there is no question who gets the best treatment, the best “justice” outcomes, and the best protection

      If anyone tries to argue that scientology is not about the money, I just point out who in practice gets the best of everything inside that world, the auditors or the salesmen?

  • Brian Thomas Lambert

    I was comm eved twice. I was never informed that it was ocurring. I really didn’t give a shit because I quite. Then they kicked me out. Oh! The pain:-(

  • RandomSP

    I have been at both ends of the Comm Ev stick. I received one and sat on one as a board member. As far as the receiving, it was a demeaning and embarrassing experience. Rather that confine themselves to the so-called “crimes”, the board canvassed my fellow staff to “write up any knowledge reports” they could think of on me. Those were reviewed along with older material in my ethics folders that represented private material that was “entrusted” to the organization with the tacit understanding that there was some confidentiality. Again, not material related to anything that the board was allegedly convened to address. As regards sitting on one, I felt it was clearly a kangaroo court and expressed my sentiments if not in those exact words.

  • DamOTclese2

    For David Miscavige’s Comm Ev and SP Declare, Here Is A Link. David is legally (in the Scientology circus) not even allowed to be a customer leave alone the top ringleader.

  • Espiando

    So where’s Marco? It’s Jeff Day, and Staturday to boot, so that means that Marco has to come by clad in his latest socks to Dead Agent Jeff and say that he’s willfully misinterpreting the Infallible Textual Diarrhea of Hubtard. Could it be that CommEvs are so offensive that there’s nothing in the procedure that’s considered worth defending? Could it possibly be that we’ve stumbled across the one thing in Scientology that’s so utterly horrid that Goat-Fucker won’t rush to justify it?

    Considering that in that pile of inhuman behavior are things like Disconnection, the Introspection Rundown, the blatant thievery, crush-regging, gang-bang sec checks, etc., it seems like it’d be weird to draw the line at CommEvs. But that’s SignsOfSuckAss for you.

    • DamOTclese2

      “SignsOfSuckAss” — ROFL!

  • Espiando

    So where’s Marco? It’s Jeff Day, and Staturday to boot, so that means that Marco has to come by clad in his latest socks to Dead Agent Jeff and say that he’s willfully misinterpreting the Infallible Textual Diarrhea of Hubtard. Could it be that CommEvs are so offensive that there’s nothing in the procedure that’s considered worth defending? Could it possibly be that we’ve stumbled across the one thing in Scientology that’s so utterly horrid that Goat-Fucker won’t rush to justify it?

    Considering that in that pile of inhuman behavior are things like Disconnection, the Introspection Rundown, the blatant thievery, crush-regging, gang-bang sec checks, etc., it seems like it’d be weird to draw the line at CommEvs. But that’s SignsOfSuckAss for you.

  • Meccaanon

    “Second, he didn’t work out the system. It’s basically the military system of courts martial, which Hubbard was no doubt exposed to while in the Navy. ”

    I want to make one correction here and not a minor one IMO. The US Navy has more than one Judicial process. Com Evs most resembles a “Captain’s Mast,” not a Courts Marshall.

    – from Wikipedia;

    A mast is a non-judicial punishment (“NJP”) disciplinary hearing under which a commanding officer studies and disposes of cases involving those in his command.

    *Make inquiry into the facts surrounding minor offenses allegedly committed by a member of the command;

    *Afford the accused a hearing as to such offenses; and

    *Dispose of such charges by dismissing the charges, imposing punishment under the provisions of military law or referring the case to a court-martial.”

    (my take) a Mast is the Navy’s way of keeping junk off of the Court’s Marshal docket. Basically; enlisted people get hauled before the “Old Man” for Unauthorized Absence, Fighting , Drunk and Disorderly or just disrespect or a senor officer and the like. This formalizes discipline without actually delving into criminal process like a Courts Marshall would.

    • Espiando

      In the Army and Air Force, a Captain’s Mast is called an Article 15 hearing. Thanks to a vindictive sergeant I served under (total prick, still want to find him and piss on his corpse/grave), I was hauled in front of one of those once. What I went through does not resemble a CommEv. It was me and the unit’s lieutenant (not even the unit’s CO). And if I decided to fight it, I was the one who could request a court-martial. Unlike a Scientologist hauled in front of a CommEv, I had rights.

      • Meccaanon

        True, A CommEv is more like a twisted version of a Mast or Article 15 (thanks BTW, I’d forgotten what the other US services called that.)

  • Meccaanon

    “Second, he didn’t work out the system. It’s basically the military system of courts martial, which Hubbard was no doubt exposed to while in the Navy. ”

    I want to make one correction here and not a minor one IMO. The US Navy has more than one Judicial process. Com Evs most resembles a “Captain’s Mast,” not a Courts Marshall.

    – from Wikipedia;

    A mast is a non-judicial punishment (“NJP”) disciplinary hearing under which a commanding officer studies and disposes of cases involving those in his command.

    *Make inquiry into the facts surrounding minor offenses allegedly committed by a member of the command;

    *Afford the accused a hearing as to such offenses; and

    *Dispose of such charges by dismissing the charges, imposing punishment under the provisions of military law or referring the case to a court-martial.”

    (my take) a Mast is the Navy’s way of keeping junk off of the Court’s Marshal docket. Basically; enlisted people get hauled before the “Old Man” for Unauthorized Absence, Fighting , Drunk and Disorderly or just disrespect or a senor officer and the like. This formalizes discipline without actually delving into criminal process like a Courts Marshall would.

  • DamOTclese2

    It’s basically the military system of courts martial, which Hubbard was no doubt exposed to while in the Navy.

    Yes, when you attack Mexico you’re gonna have a bad day — and get called up in front of your commanding officer to be informed that the United States is not at war with Mexico and shelling the Coronado Islands must await formal declarations of hostility.

    Yeesh, Hubbard was a dumbass.

  • DamOTclese2

    It’s basically the military system of courts martial, which Hubbard was no doubt exposed to while in the Navy.

    Yes, when you attack Mexico you’re gonna have a bad day — and get called up in front of your commanding officer to be informed that the United States is not at war with Mexico and shelling the Coronado Islands must await formal declarations of hostility.

    Yeesh, Hubbard was a dumbass.

    • HillieOnTheBeach

      Dumbass is right. Can you imagine the diplomatic contrition that surely followed?

      • DamOTclese2

        Would have been far worse had the island been occupied by humans rather than goats. The dumbass also showed deck hands how to assemble the deck gun since, you know, only Hubbard knew how to do anything, and the stupid fuck shot up his own boat’s antenna mast.

        • HillieOnTheBeach

          Lol. I’m not familiar with the details of that event. Do you know offhand where I can read a detailed version of it?

          • DamOTclese2

            You can get it at Ron The War Hero which we attempted to get self-published yet never managed to. Chris Owen wrote this.

            • HillieOnTheBeach

              Thank you!

            • aurora50

              Thanks for the link! I love this part:

              ‘Consider this officer lacking in the essential qualities of judgement, leadership and cooperation. He acts without forethought as to probable results. He is believed to have been sincere in his efforts to make his ship efficient and ready. Not considered qualified for command or promotion at this time. Recommend duty on a large vessel where he can be properly supervised.’
              (Source: L. Ron Hubbard fitness report, 29 May 1943-7 July 1943)

              That must have STUNG someone with an ego the size of LRH…wonder if all the Navyish accretions to CoS…the ‘Sea Org’, the uniforms, the ranks, the ‘discipline’ as mentioned by Jeffrey, were in retaliation? Talk about ‘Daddy Issues’!!

            • Missionary Kid

              They weren’t in retaliation, they were representative of his self-delusion and hubris.

            • Doug Parent

              Who ever wrote that fitness report on Hubbard probably had missed withholds or even whole track overts on him. (wink)

      • ze moo

        In May of 1942, Mexico declared war against the Axis powers. They were an ally and the Corranodos were used for bombing practice by US aircraft. Lroon just didn’t follow procedure and get permission to do what he did. He besmirches the good name of asshat.

        Mexican forces saw combat against Japan with an aircraft squadron in the Philippines. I am unaware of any other combat, though perhaps 1/2 a million Mexicans or US born Mexicans fought in American uniforms.

        http://latinamericanhistory.about.com/od/thehistoryofmexico/a/09mexicoww2.htm

    • Missionary Kid

      If it had been peacetime, he would have been subject to a court martial. The Navy was busy doing other things at the time.

      • DamOTclese2

        At the time the Navy was scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for anyone who had been on a boat before, I think maybe. I mean why else allow such a dumbass on board?

        • Missionary Kid

          The fact that he had at least a passing idea of what college was, and he had been affiliated with the military in some capacities before WWII gave him more experience than most people. That, plus his bluster and bullshit, got him a commission higher than as an ensign. Of course, in his mind, he probably thought he should have been an admiral.

    • ze moo

      The shelling of a Mexican Island and encroachment in Mexican territorial waters did earn Lroon a court martial or something very close to one. Xenu dot net has a scan of the outcome, though it does not appear to have been a full court martial.

      http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/warhero/images/summary3.gif

      There is no official record of any disciplinary action against Lroon. But he did get a Board of Investigation into the Coronados incident.

      http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Cowen/warhero/coronados.htm

    • kemist

      Or wasting time and money dropping depth charges on magnetic deposits.

      What an herro Hubtard was.

      • DamOTclese2

        Oh yeah, what a dumbass. It was the harbinger of things to come, the clown dragged in other people in to his delusions, a great deal of money was wasted trying to support the insane loon’s stupid delusions.

      • Once_Born

        I wonder if “the battle of the magnetic deposit” was altogether stupid.

        After using up all of his depth charges, Hubbard could return to port, without having had to engage a real enemy.

        I vote for cowardly and shrewd.

  • DamOTclese2

    The husband says that she’s “seeing a doctor.” Anyone else wonder if that’s a Scientology dimwit and not an actual real medical Doctor?

    • sugarplumfairy

      Well, we kinda know for sure that it’s not going to be a licensed psychiatrist or psychologist, which is the thing she actually needs..

    • Suzy

      It might be a teenage Sea Org “hatted” as a medical officer. Or a chiro.

  • Jon Hendry

    Hey shoopers,

    I didn’t see if anyone did this yesterday, but there needs to be a “Mosey Rathbun Has A Posse”, along the lines of the Shepard Fairey “Andre The Giant Has A Posse” posters, and similar things like

    http://images.artnet.com/images_US/magazine/reviews/davis/davis3-22-09-3.jpg
    http://craphound.com/images/kitfisto.jpg

    • VickiStubing

      “He IS the posse!”

  • Doug Parent

    Regarding Comm Ev’s. My mother was tried TWICE in this Kangaroo style court. Someone further up the chain of command had it out for mother, deciding she was an SP and refused the findings of the first Comm Ev that was held at the San Diego Organization. (The first Comm Ev decided she was not an SP.) “Justice” or what I laughingly refer to as justice in Scientology DOES NOT EXIST. Rather what they specialize in is Injustice and Insanity. After the Cult declared my mother an SP, within two years everyone in my family and also my entire family of in-laws left this nutcase organization. Hubbard’s justice system is seriously flawed and wide open for abuse. “Misapplication” is commonly cited for reasons or justifications for abuse but if you look at the statistics of the organization overall you will see the trend. The organization itself is “PTS” and in the valence (identity) of the Miscavige who copied the worst aspects of Hubbard with none of the good. Good riddance to the Church of Scientology and good riddance to Hubbard’s brand of justice. Doomed from the beginning and in a death spiral out of control this cult is TOAST. Tick Tock.

    • SS

      In that case, Doug, your mother’s farcical trial actually turned out to be a blessing in disguise for her and your entire family. Great to hear of another instance in which the whole family just left instead of disconnecting from the declared relative.

      • Doug Parent

        Thanks. Indeed this turned out to be a true blessing. All told about 12 people ended up leaving the cult as a result of this SP declare on my mom. Leave it to this group of fanatical robots to do themselves in. I hope everyone single person in this organization wakes up and fully takes responsibility for the damage they have caused or supported. A lot of people have a very long road back up to being decent honest ethical beings again. It’s never too late to take your life back again.

        • Verve

          12 people freed from the insanity. I loathe what you, her, and the family had to go through, but you are all out now. I wish you and yours all the best going forward.

  • Doug Parent

    I remember Barbara Cordova well from the 80’s when I was living in LA. She was idealistic, naive and I think she was looking for some success as an artist herself but with marginal talent she must have decided to substitute her own goals for the goals of others in the same field. Too bad I hope she makes it out someday before it’s too late.

  • DamOTclese2

    Scientology advertisements bringing in the new customers. Yep.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Has anyone even heard of Any Comm-Ev’s in the last 3 years? I remember as far back as 5 years ago a member said she had waited a year and a half to hear back from IJC and it was basically a form letter she got back. She was a long term member so she understood when I reminded her that long a reply is a No Report Report, meaning no one is actually holding that post. I doubt any of the kids at Flag or in LA even know these policies at all. Anyone actually seen whoever is named as current International Justice Chief? I’ll bet not.

    The ethics and justice system is designed to collapse within itself and that is what it has been doing. Same as any of the auditing processes. Veteran scientologists have been declared or pushed out because they DO know the policies. Children of the corn, the current sea org staff, have all been made salesmen first, and whatever else second. It is a vulture sales organization and the only real ethics code is don’t get caught.

    • joan nieman

      Indeed THDNE. Exactly.

  • ze moo

    In other ‘what is clamatology’ stories it is apparent that Lroon had a mommy problem. He stated that all mothers do abortions on themselves and are the cause of various engrams that plague us.

    It appears he had daddy issues too. His lack luster navel career left him wanting to emulate the navy that correctly classified him as a putz who needed close supervision. The organization of the ‘chirch’ shows so many attempts to copy and use military doctrine that were perverted into a control mechanism to ‘make money’. How much of clamatology was crafted to impress and please his father? Daddy died in 1975, so he had lots of time see the empire Lroon built.

    http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/bfm/bfm01.htm

    • Gene Trujillo

      Hubbard apparently felt that he was the target of attempted abortions by his mommy. He referred to attempted abortions as “AAs”. I think this distrust he had with his mommy is what gave him the feeling that he must be in control of everyone everywhere in the whole universe. People with mommy issues should not be leaders.

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    The lawyers for scientology in New Braunfels, TX are getting a toxic taste of what Captain Blackheart probably considers to be how justice should roll in the courtroom. That’s why it sounds so twisted and perverse and downright crazy. These lawyers do not realize if they are taking instructions from their client, then they are applying scientology justice and ethics policies according to this maniac’s personal version of same.
    Hope they continue with this plan!

  • George Layton

    I am not sure if this has been linked below. This I copied from ESMB.

    Bonnie is struggling a little to post here, so forwarding this:
    Quote:
    Hello Everyone,

    Good to be back here with you all again. As always I need your help. *Escape* has come to LA so we can offer our help in freeing Barbara Cordova. Barbara’s plight is something that has burned brightly in our hearts since her frantic attempt to escape was brought to our attention by her family. Our years of litigation taught us that what had happened to Leisa Mcpherson should be exposed and compelled us to carry on to make her voice heard and to make public the abuses she suffered. !Upon hearing that Barbara is being treated in the same life threatening manner ,we made the decision to come and to say to Scientology THERE CANNOT BE ANOTHER LEISA! There are so many families we have helped whose grief for their lost loved ones remains tangible. We can’t bring back those who have lost their lives but we can fight for those who have the right to be free. We would like your help in organizing a demonstration to be held on February 1 at the Scientology buildings which surround L.Ron Hubbard Avenue. With the help of some creative friends we have created a T-Shirt which reads
    Free Barbara on the front and on the back Not Another Lisa and the words Ask Us Why. Everyone can create and make a similar version. We need your help in any way that touches your heart.Please send your ideas and offers of assistance to FreeBarbaraNow@gmail.com and most of all come join us on February 1st and bring a friend, Thank you for being there for us.

    Love,Richard and Bonnie WoodsBarbara Cordova 2.jpg

    Guess whos visiting free Barbara.jpg

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Bonnie ! ! ! ! Heloooo, old friend. I think i helped in your escape. I’m the songstress, hint. I am SO glad to hear you and Richard have a hand in this. If she is in that Woodbury, TN scientology place, it is not good news because it means she is there for introspection rundown, for mental disturbance. I do hope that Arlene and any other family with check with the local hospital and give them contact info. Also request a welfare check with local authorities. Also, perhaps mental health clinics and specialists in the area, let them know what’s going on and give contact info.

      Not in the LA area or you know I would be there! I’ll try to think of what else….
      and thank you all!

      PS: Any Nashville Anons still around? Some boots on the ground would be helpful.

    • D.Y.G.

      Wait, what? What’s this about a frantic attempt to escape? Is that why Barbara went to her mother’s house?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Bonnie’s helper organization, that helps families escaping from scientology or under stress from the organization is called “Escape”.

        http://www.escapeint.org/homepage.htm

        • D.Y.G.

          Ok, I got that part. This is what confuses me —

          “Barbara’s plight is something that has burned brightly in our hearts
          since her frantic attempt to escape was brought to our attention by her
          family.”

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist
            • D.Y.G.

              Yes, I’ve read that. It reads like they were moving back and forth from Clearwater to LA, for whatever reason neither place was working, and she came to her mother’s and had a psychotic break. I definitely didn’t get “frantic escape” from Tony’s articles and that’s why I’m asking for clarification.

            • aegerprimo

              Yeah, I did not get “frantic escape” from Tony’s articles either.

            • D.Y.G.

              Ok, thanks for the input. I thought I had missed something important somewhere.

              I don’t really want to speculate, but if you add “frantic escape” to the mix it changes everything.

            • Betsy

              This concerned me too. I hope somebody identifies the source and whether it was true or not.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      can you repost the jpg’s….they aren’t coming through here.

      Also, Have You Seen this Woman? with her picture and contact info in the local Woodbury and region Press, local TV station, Facebook, etc.

      • George Layton

        here we go

  • nottrue

    I see scientology is useing Katie Holmes Tech. The throwaway phone

    • Cat Daddy
      • Observer

        Her parents must’ve been frantic when they saw pics like this.

        • Cat Daddy

          Glad she got out beforeremature aging of the body became permanent. And for Suri of course.

      • George Layton

        Tom looks healthy. I see this and think about auditing practices and psychic vampire comes to mind.

        • Cat Daddy

          Tom had his wife in heavey detox Scientology way

      • sugarplumfairy

        I reluctantly opened this because I was afraid you had posted that horrible, haunting picture of Lisa Mcpherson.. I’m so glad it wasn’t..

  • WG

    I don’t think our current (wog) court system is anything we should be too enamoured with either.

    Scientology Justice = stack the court against you
    + no double jeopardy protection?

    Wog Justice = stack the laws against you
    + make everything prohibitively expensive
    + mandatory minimums
    + politicized judge appointment process

    On second thought they both suck 😉

    • kemist

      But, on the other hand, you don’t get automatically punished for making accusations against superiors, and it doesn’t start with the assumption that you’re guilty.

      I think I still prefer wog justice, however imperfect.

      I also think religious justice systems are bound to create abuse and should not be allowed. Equating crimes with your creed’s version of sins is a recipe for disaster.

  • Sunny Sands

    Here are a couple of pics from Clearwater today. One shows the tent lot has a white fence surrounding it now. The other shows the Coachman building, which is the building that had the termite tent on it last week. There is an elevated platform doing work there. I didn’t see anyone going in/out of the Flag building. They usually have sea org at the main entrance and south entrance to open the door and greet customers.

    • aquaclara

      Thanks, Sunny. I love seeing your snapshots. That empty lot, as unattractive as it is,is so much nicer than the tent. They have truly folded up that thing and moved on.

      Did you see many buses out today?

      • Sunny Sands

        They had several large Flag busses parked in the driveway between the tent lot and the parking structure. I saw a couple of the smaller busses tooling around downtown.

        • DeElizabethan

          They now line up for drop off and pick up on the south-east corner of the Mecca building. One can see them in the am and at night or in between since they take them to the Sand Castle or to their berthing.

    • Mark

      That crane at the Coachman looks like it’s moving stuff too big to be got in or out by hand – maybe they need to get behind and under the bulkier fittings inside to remove all the corpses of the fumigated vermin? With Davy’s Huge Tentrection gone (where? back to Saint Hill?) at least there’s one less looming fane cutting off the daylight in Clearwater!

    • RMycroft

      Unless they’re planning to celebrate Dead Hubbard Day XXIX tomorrow, what other events will they be using the tents for? I seem to recall that their permits will be up soon, so I guess they’ll be packing up Real Soon Now.

      • Sunny Sands

        All the tents are gone now. I’m looking toward them using the tents again next fall in a different location. There is something going on at the tent lot, they have one entrance open big enough for a large truck to enter/exit, and a truck looked like it was getting stuff out of the parking garage to take down there.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Maybe they’re collecting all Blackberry’s on the planet, dig some more holes and bury them. heh

      • Betsy

        Har! Now that sounds like a GOOD holiday to me!

  • Mark

    This whole CoS {justice} business has a distinctly Holy Roman Empire ethos to me. An early form of Comm Ev was the officially-sanctioned vigilantism called the “Vehmgericht” in mediaeval Westphalia – a court of self-appointed judges, supposedly acting on the Emperor’s behalf, that often conducted its business and executed its sentences in secret (usually by hanging its victims at dead of night in the middle of nowhere). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehmic_court

    And Knowledge Reports? Austria-Hungary was also the original home of “official denunciations” – a practice continued in Nazi Germany and in the GDR, where people were actively encouraged by the authorities to spy on each other as a means of social and political control. http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/217/articles/96JMHGellatelyGestapoStasi.pdf

    • Sunny Sands

      Self-appointed judges trying and executing by hanging their victims in the dead of night in the middle of nowhere. Sounds like some post-Civil War areas of the southern U.S.

      • Mark

        The spirit of Judge Roy Bean lives on (though I see he only ever sentenced two people to be hanged, and one of them escaped).

      • Berlioz started an opera on the subject, it was never performed but did survive as a few pieces including this overture:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnKSfq9heeo

  • Bruce Hines

    Barbara Cordova Oliver may or may not be with her husband. If she is receiving the Introspection Rundown, she would not be allowed to see him and he might just be making a PR phone call. It is significant, I think that she did not speak to her mother on the phone.

    • Betsy

      That struck me too. In any normal situation, if the person about whose welfare the call was taking place was present and able to talk, it would be normal to put the person on the phone, if only to say “Hi, I’m OK.” The fact that this didn’t happen makes the whole call suspicious to me.

  • Shirley Eugeste

    More subtle, nuanced prose from the wordsmiths at Scientology. Grab yer buckets…

    http://www.lifecenterforanewtomorrow.com/testimonials.htm

    • sugarplumfairy

      Very interesting.. No psyche drugs.. A “supervisor” seven days a week..

      “…The main focus is to provide an environment that is peaceful and safe, where people can rest, destimulate, gradually calm down, regain their senses and with some help perhaps recover the social skills necessary to function successfully in life…” I’m hoping this doesn’t mean being locked in a room, supervised and fed and watered by someone who won’t speak to you..

      • Davka

        Egads. If someone is truly mentally ill, say schizophrenic with auditory hallucinations, an appropriate dose of haldol or zyprexa is going to do a lot more good.

      • D.Y.G.

        Yeah, and “supervisor” can mean anything.

        This is especially poignant (found in the service agreement) —

        “1-
        I understand that the Life Center is neither a medical nor a
        psychiatric facility. The Life Center does not offer medical treatment
        of any kind and does not use psychiatric or psychology treatments.”

        • sugarplumfairy

          $2,000 a week for a bed.. Vitamins extra..

          • D.Y.G.

            The vitamins are included, along with meals. The supervisor and staff are people who will listen to you, help you feel at ease, bring you three meals a day, but not actually counsel you in any way (probably because they have no license to legally do so). And of course, they do not at all guarantee that any of this bullshit will help at all, and there are no refunds if it doesn’t.

            3- I understand that clients are sometimes very difficult, having either
            psychotic tendencies or because of having taken too many drugs are
            generally in a less than optimum condition, mentally or physically. I
            understand that the Life Center does not guarantee or promise in any way
            that the client will feel better and will improve. Drugs may sometimes
            damage the brain and physical structure of the body to a point where no
            recovery is possible. The Life Center will do everything possible to
            help the client have a better life, feel better and by doing so, it is
            possible that his condition will improve.

            8- I understand that the Life Center will provide standard vitamins but if
            the client requires extra supplements or extra vitamins, treatments,
            etc. I will be paying for such in addition to the cost of the service.

            9- I understand that the meals provided by the Life Center consist of food
            bought at a regular grocery store. The Life Center will do its best to
            provide nutritious food and complete meals. If the client requires
            special food or all organic food which cost extra then the Life Center
            and I will discuss a proper financial arrangement.

            I would guess that going to the beach for a week would be as successful. Probably cheaper.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I hope she survives her stay there..

            • D.Y.G.

              Me too!

      • Shirley Eugeste

        It’s all such blatant, manufactured hogwash… aimed at the desperate and the..well…unsophisticated? Uneducated? Unsuspecting? I hope there’s a special circle of Hell for the charlatans behind the hoax.

        Actually, it looks like Dante has it pretty well covered. Anyone feel like filling in an Inferno diagram with Scientologists?

        http://www.parseerror.com/vis/inferno/

        • sugarplumfairy

          Aimed at all takers.. That website was very carefully worded to mislead even the savvy..

    • Sidney18511

      When I took a look at that yesterday it struck me as some type of “replacement” for their doomed Narconon facilities.

  • DeElizabethan

    I’m happy to say I never went through any Comm Evs, but then I was a public. When I did return for a year I was having so much trouble in ethics office that at a point, I demanded one. Of course it was ignored and after many months finished up. Then it became my next goal of, how to get out of the control of the organization and finally did, using Debbie’s letter as support. This was before I became internet savvy!
    I had seen others experience Comm Evs at my Org in Miami and they were always hushed up and dreaded.

    Roz Cohn. I’m so sorry for your co-writer Jake’s health problem. Small donate done!

    • joan nieman

      DeElizabethan it is so good to have you here in the wog world! That is a big success story. You got through the wall of fire!! Yay!

  • Gene Trujillo

    I have always considered “Responsibility of Leaders” to be Hubbard’s answer to Machiavelli’s “The Prince”: a treatise on amoral use of power. I remember reading it and thinking to myself “Didn’t he just authorize killing people as long as it can’t be traced back to him? Holy crap, I don’t think I support this…” The REAL responsibility of a leader, when they find themselves “leading” a toxic group like CofS, is to STEP DOWN and let others take over who aren’t embroiled in the toxicity. That’s what a responsible leader who cares about the organization they lead does.

    • Panopea Abrupta

      Hubbard said he wrote it but Machiavelli stole it from him.

      • Gene Trujillo

        lol I am surprised he didn’t claim to be Machiavelli in a past life…

  • Bruce Hines

    I received several comm evs during my 24 years in the sea org. I was also a member or chairperson of comm evs against other people. The silliest one I had was while I was on the RPF’s RPF. In 1998, I had graduated from the RPF after three plus years on it (with Wiebke Hansen as my “twin,” the German lady who had been the head of the organization in Hamburg and was the subject of the German tv documentary, “Missing in Happy Valley”). Shortly after I was back at the int base, I had a run-in with David Miscavige. Such encounters were sometimes referred to as “a bad comm cycle with COB.” Within hours I was taken back to the RPF, which at the time was at the property the Co$ used to own about 5 or 10 miles from the int base. I was put on the RPF’s RPF. I was given a comm ev for which the members and chairperson were RPFers and the convening authority was the RPF I/C, as I recall. I would have had to complete the RPF’s RPF program regardless. I think the purpose of the comm ev was to show the other RPFers that I deserved to be sent back to the RPF.

    • Observer

      Was there any such thing as a good comm cycle with COB?

      • Bruce Hines

        Ha, ha! Rarely! I’d actually had one a few days prior.

    • Davka

      It’s like theater of the absurd, except instead of waiting for Godot it’s waiting for common sense.

      • Shirley Eugeste

        Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are So Dead

        Six Lawyers in Search of a Clue

        End of the World (of Scientology) with Symposium (and Champagne) to Follow

        • Stand(in the Hole where you live)

        • Once_Born

          Who’s afraid of Slappy Miscavige?

          • Shirley Eugeste

            Oh my gosh. Liz’s Martha is basically just a curvier Miscavige in drag.

    • Hubbub

      I’m curious, what was your run-in with DM?

      • Bruce Hines

        Well, it’s a little complicated. After getting off the RPF, I was in the process of routing back in to CMO Int. (Sorry for the jargon to those not familiar with it.) I was sitting in the double-wide trailers, where CMO Int had moved. Before that move it had been in Del Sol for years. These trailers later, evidently, became the location of the hole. I was sitting there reading the strategies and programs that were then extant, as required by the routing form I was on. With me was another person who had very recently graduated from the RPF, a Swiss guy named Guido. Suddenly DM walked in followed by Greg Wilhere and a couple of other people. He instantly seemed displeased with me and he started asking me a bunch of questions. It was only much later that I realized that I had failed to stand up and come to attention when he entered the room. So I was on his bad side from the get-go.

        • sugarplumfairy

          If you had stood, he’d have been pissed that you’re taller than him.. You’d probably still have been sent off again.. What a little nothing he is..

        • Observer

          Arrogant little popinjay.

          • Bruce Hines

            Popinjay. Yes indeed. I like that!

        • aquaclara

          24 years in the Sea Org, as free slave labor, no sleep, 3 years in the RPF, several Com Evs and someone gets upset, oh, wait, the CAPTAIN gets upset that you didn’t stand up.
          WTF.
          I’m angry for you. Sorry you had to deal with all that bullsh*t.

        • SciWatcher

          Guido the killer pimp?

        • Hubbub

          Wow. Punishment on a whim like that has to make the average person afraid of his/her own shadows. Thanks for sharing the story. Glad you were able to get out.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Jeeeez, Bruce.. I’m sooo glad you are out and FREE.. Good god, that man needs his comeuppance..

    • D.Y.G.

      I received several comm evs during my 24 years in the sea org.

      This cracked me up almost as much as reading about a guy who has been declared an SP 4 times. I’m not really laughing because it’s funny, it’s because the entire thing is just completely ridiculous.

      Bruce, you sucked as a Scientologist, which must mean you are a pretty decent human being. 😉

    • 0tessa

      The amount of crazyness does not cease to amaze me.

    • Sidney18511

      Your story makes me wonder if ANYONE ever did their time in COS without being comm ev’ed? Sounds like everyone had their day in”court”

      • Bruce Hines

        At the int base, where everyone is in the sea org, I did not know anyone who had not been comm ev’ed, usually several times. I suppose there are public scientologists (those not on staff whose job is to give money) who have not received a comm ev.

    • Gene Trujillo

      Wasn’t Wiebke Hansen the ED of Hamburg when it was the top Class V org on the planet? I heard one of the reasons she was removed from post was that she insisted on trying to make sure her staff were decently paid so she was a squirrel. I’ll have to try to find that video, initial searches are fruitless.

      • Bruce Hines

        Yes, she was the ED. Try this link:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLx2yGvOq1g

        • Gene Trujillo

          Thank you!

          • Cece

            Gene, do you know Larry Trujillo? If so and you know where Marie might be pls email me. cecegangle@gmail.com. I had a dream about Marie last night and searched for her a few hours this morning with no luck. Thx

            • Gene Trujillo

              I’m afraid I don’t know him but I do know who you mean. I heard the name while I was in and it always stuck out to me because I had an Uncle Larry Trujillo, now deceased. However, the Larry Trujillo in CofS is no relation, sorry.

  • Jeff, here is a point you left out, which is at least as important as everything you did say, which is spot on: that point being that a Comm Ev is completely Dev-T (developed and unnecessary traffic) for anyone unlucky enough to be assigned to one. They are a pain in the ass. They always meet after normal post hours which means on one’s already way too short sleep time, they are always done in a rush because the Convening Authority wants a head on the pike right the fuck now and when you meet with the IP everyone is always totally out of sorts. It is even worse for the IP, of course. Oh, and anything LRH said about justice was tempered by his dictum that you had to take into account the person’s good points and contributions. Those were invariably wiped from memory by the bloodthirstyness of the moment. In the end, LRH was right about one thing; man cannot be trusted with justice. The SO proved that in spades.

    • Cat Daddy

      Yup he proved himself right by example: L Ron Hubbard the Child Abuser

      David Mayo

      “The length of time for children would vary, but
      no one was there less than a day. The average was a week or two. Three
      weeks was about the maximum. Age didn’t matter. The youngest kids were
      5, 6 or 7. Old, young, men, women, big, little; it wouldn’t matter because
      to Scientologists the being is ageless so you don’t think in terms of
      how young or old someone is.”

      • MaxSpaceman

        to Scientologists, ‘the being’ is ageless so you don’t think in terms of how young

        The diabolical L. Ron Hubbard – the degraded debased individual that he was – with that statement handcuffed each $cientologist into a prison of the mind, making any decision about the young into a group (Scientology) decision, eventually leaving each member compassion-less. When your mind is twisted to look at a 7 year old and have no sympathy inside yourself, in their hour of need, your child, another’s child, then you are lost. And have turned into an ‘in-human’. Void of empathy. Less than zero humanity.

        • Betsy

          You would think that anyone who could remember his own childhood would have a little sense left about what it is to be that dependent on others and unknowing about adult realities. But…oh, I forgot. Little Elron was reading Shakespeare at 3 and busting broncs at 4. So I guess he was never a child.

    • aquaclara

      ‘….were invariably wiped from memory by the bloodthirstiness of the moment.”

      Just pausing and taking a deep breath here to take this in.

    • cdub

      They were such an incredible waste of time for no worthwhile result whatsoever that, as experienced staff, we all complicitly avoided convening, attending, or engaging in Comm Ev’s entirely. Maybe it was left to the newbie staff to attend them, I don’t know.
      My favorite though was just after I joined staff and I’m reading these findings and the subject of the Comm Ev was found to have gone squirrel hunting instead of working at the org for a dollar a day. Squirrel, as in the bushy-tailed rodent, not the heretic!

  • ze moo

    http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Judge-to-Scientology-Leader-must-testify-in-5166735.php

    mysanantonio has some nice quotes from yesterdays court room action.

    • Couch_Incident

      Did you notice the SCN commercial running in the upper right?

    • Mark

      “This story as originally published mispelled David Miscavige’s name.” (Snigger).

      • Observer

        Millions of people know how to spell his name correctly!

        • Robert Eckert

          But most of them prefer to use one or another joking and degrading nickname instead.

      • Once_Born

        Sometimes, when typing a comment too quickly, I get his name wrong and the spell-checker suggests “Miscreant”.

        • Betsy

          Choke! Big sploosh of coffee!

  • Kim O’Brien

    I have been gone for a bit . Came home from work today for a gear down . Waving hi to all .

    Psst …Barbara …call your mom…let yourself hear how much she loves you ..you deserve it

    • Robert Eckert

      Hey Kim, you’ve missed some fun!

      • Kim O’Brien

        can you give me a short / sweet wrap up ?

        • Robert Eckert

          No, I really can’t, it’s been kind of complicated. Court day was frustrating because we didn’t hear until the end, so maybe you’re better off than we were since you just have it all set out there for you at once.

  • nottrue

    Whats happening to Barbera is so close to what happened to Lisa it makes me so angery

  • George Layton

    THDNE this belongs to you.

    Darling Songbird.
    It made me weep to read your post and yes being here has its cost but the overriding memory I have is coming with Richard to hear you sing, dancing to your beautiful tones, and your kindness in taking me in,the fun we had in your house ,when the risk to you to hiding me was so high .So you are in our hearts and thoughts always and we value your help.Can you PM me with your contact details.

    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?34649-Bonnie-(Escape)-needs-our-help-to-FREE-BARBARA

    • sugarplumfairy

      We knew our dear Hole was special..

    • aquaclara

      What a lovely note to THDNE…..I’m sure she’ll be around here soon to see this herself.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks George and Aqua for pointing out her note. Some days I wonder what the hell I am doing back in this mess and a name comes across my monitor screen. Like Bonnie. These were the kind of friends I hung out with back then. Firecrackers, smart, sharp, hilarious, deeply compassionate and …. flawed. We all had some kind of flaw or we wouldn’t have been there more than a month. So they remind me why. It’s just the kind of people we always were, long before scientology and stronger despite scientology. I barely remember that great escape, just snatches of moments while we were are bobbing up and downstream of those turbulent times. Thanks for the pic, too. That devilish smile I would recognize under any hat! Sent an email.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Thanks George and Aqua for pointing out her note. Some days I wonder what the hell I am doing back in this mess and a name comes across my monitor screen. Like Bonnie. These were the kind of friends I hung out with back then. Firecrackers, smart, sharp, hilarious, deeply compassionate and …. flawed. We all had some kind of flaw or we wouldn’t have been there more than a month. So they remind me why. It’s just the kind of people we always were, long before scientology and stronger despite scientology. I barely remember that great escape, just snatches of moments while we were are bobbing up and downstream of those turbulent times. Thanks for the pic, too. That devilish smile I would recognize under any hat! Sent an email.

  • Great White Clam

    The “upside-down world of Scientology “ethics” is the most perfect phrase describing the $cilon twist on ‘justice’. I would read “‘$cilon Ethics:’ A New Twist On Justice” if it were written.

    And not to derail, but I heard some chatter over on ESMB about Wallace Jefferson possibly attempting a Writ Of Mandamus in the Rathbun case. I know the $cilons have tried this in other cases. Has any mention of this been made in The Bunker today?

    • Cat Daddy
    • Robert Eckert

      They threatened that back when Waldrip first ordered the Miscavige deposition last month, but although Waldrip gave them a week to pursue it, they filed nothing at the time. Lone Star writes on the ESMB thread (see Cat Daddy’s link) that Nick (the local journalist who fed Tony the blow-by-blow yesterday) has been told Wallace Jefferson definitely intends filing the thing in the next couple days.

      Lone Star has the impression that this filing would stop the case dead while the appeals court chews on it. To be more precise, if the appeals court granted the writ of mandamus or issued a stay pending their hearing, that would stop anything at Waldrip’s level. But: just filing a petition doesn’t; a “petition” is not like an appeal by right; the appeals court can just give a one-word “DENIED” with no reason stated at all. Perhaps Wallace thinks he has too much “rank” for them to brush him off like that.

  • MaxSpaceman

    If you question the medical practices inside The Cult of $cientology Inc. and talk questioningly, even, to other members and staff, you are bound to be told to follow the prescribed course of action or else.

    And if you happen to have an impaired child, then the consequences of believing $cientology can leave your family with a loss like Jett Travolta.

    You hear that self-satisfied sanctimonious John Travolta in an interview [on a red-carpet-type of setting] saying, paraphrased – There wouldn’t have been the loss of Elvis, Marilyn, that wouldn’t have happened if they’d had scientology. Oh, oh really. Oh- okay Travolota. And your own son?

    • Phil McKraken

      But you know the answer to this riddle already. The Tech is 100% effective when applied 100% correctly. One misstep though, and Blam-o! This Scientology is volatile stuff. It’s like juggling with nitro-glycerin: If you don’t drop any of the vials, you get to live forever. But then, no one ever does.

      • aegerprimo

        At least doctors claim that they PRACTICE medicine. They never claim that a treatment works 100% of the time on 100% of people.

        • Tory Christman

          True, aegerprimo. However now due to people like myself fighting them for YEARS and YEARS(30 to be exact) re medical conditions and medicine, they have signs around every “org” here in LA: “IF YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL CONDITION: SEE A DOCTOR” Also, good ol “Dave” has now removed ALL Of the “EPs” (End Phenomena, what you are supposed to achieve with either auditing (counseling) or training. So they are working hard to cover their asses. “The tech” still remains the same, where Hubbard insists a person should be able to handle just about anything. If they can’t…they are “PTS” (Potential Trouble source), Low on responsibility, Need more auditing or training, or are “Out Ethics”. Having run *that* drill for 30 years….7 on their second to the top level, I can say without a doubt: If you’re hoping to “Fix” ANYTHING Stably with $cientology: RUN FOR THE HILLS.

          • Graham

            “IF YOU HAVE A PHYSICAL CONDITION: SEE A DOCTOR”

            Is this not a corruption of Scientology doctrine? In Scientology is there such a thing as a ‘physical condition’? I thought Scientology shared with other New Age ‘woo’ the idea that everything which happens to you is your “fault” (though never stated that baldly!) and “so-called” physical conditions will disappear with right thinking and correct application of the tech.

            I’m not complaining- great to see someone in Scientology applying a bit of common sense, if only to cover their own backsides. However it does seem to make a mockery of what $cio tech is supposed to be all about (If I’m understanding it correctly as a never-in)?

            • aegerprimo

              Check out Tony’s recent post about PTSness. In a nutshell, if you are sick, you are PTS. A member of the group does not want to be “trouble” to his/her friends (the group), so will refrain from admitting illness or seeking medical help in order to not let down the group or get sent to ethics for handling. This is a BIG DEAL in Scientology, and Tory has often explained this using her own personal experiences.

              http://tonyortega.org/2013/12/06/how-does-scientology-take-over-a-mind-jefferson-hawkins-tells-us-about-pts/

            • Tory Christman

              Correct, aegerprimo! (And Tony, thank you for continuing to expose this). Being “PTS” Means you are a Potential Trouble Source and you get that way from being connected to an SP. To most of the world, now, “SP” is a joke. However “in” $cientology it is no laughing matter. There is a group covert ‘shunning’ that happens, sort of as one thinks of a Leper. It is a fear that IF they are too close with someone “PTS” they could also become PTS, and on goes the circus of BS.
              Imagine being a parent of a child with a physical condition of Epilepsy where medicine TOTALLY controls the seizures. Then hearing from your daughter “Dianetics and vitamins will fix this”. The fierce anger in my Moms voice I can hear to this day, once she realized “They are GOING TO KILL YOU TORY!!” Thankfully, thank GOD and my Mom she stayed on top of it. And thanks to my Dad and Mom for my courage to fight for my life, despite Hubbard’s BS “Tech”. This and the kids committing suicide, and $cientology breaking up families are the 3 KEY reasons I speak out, to this day.

            • MaxSpaceman

              This is the diabolical element of $cientology as it results in human suffering untold, uncounted for, un-imagineable in scope and severity. A personal torture, prescribed by Ronald Hubbard, for all members of his “belief system” $cientology Inc.

            • Tory Christman

              Thank you, Max….THANK YOU ALL. As someone who has lived through these horrors, you have no idea the joy it has brought me, since DAY ONE on the Net after escaping out, to have BACK UP vs SHUNNING. In July of 2000 Bob Minton handed me a laptop and said: “Start telling your story, they don’t know who *you* are”. I began …my 1st post out: “Magoos WORST NIGHTMARE” and it was all about Epilepsy, how I could name on 1 hand the people I could say that word to, how awful it was, etc. Within minutes of it being posted *someone* came on to totally put me down: “Magoo, IF we had a ship and could only take 21 people, do you honestly think we would take someone with YOUR physical condition?” I’ll never forget it. I sat back and went *BINGO!* As I now knew…..there were (and are) critics out here who would be able to SEE their insanity and thankfully had the courage to say something AND DID. Oh how freeing that was and still is, to this day! I love you ALL 🙂 Tory/Magoo

            • MaxSpaceman

              So great that you got to get to that in your life, out of the Trap to Total Imprisoned Belief.

            • Tory Christman

              This has been an evolution, for sure, Graham. “In the old days”…yes, Hubbard said “OT’s” were “Cause over Life: Matter, Energy, Space and Time”. He also said originally a “Clear” had a perfect memory, perfect IQ, No Somatics, No pains”. Well, have you (or anyone) ever met ANYONE like that? Neither had he. And when the 1st “Clear” Demonstrated at the Shrine Auditorium, in Aug of 1950 ..that they could not remember the color of Hubbard’s TIE on stage,http://www.xenu-directory.net/practices/clear1.html soon after arrived the Top Sekret OT Levels. LOL. Yes, it IS contradictory to much of “The tech”…but one HAS to evolve when trying to rope people into $$$$ and MORE $$$$$.

            • Graham

              Yes- any cult has to evolve in response to the realities of life, if it’s not to die. What strikes me about this is how crudely done it is. If the scriptures originally said you don’t need doctors then any change from that position in something claiming to be a “religion” would normally be signalled by some kind of ‘revelation’ or an announced re-working of the scriptures.

              Slappy hasn’t got the creativity to dream up some ‘spiritual’ rationale for changes- he just slaps a notice up on the wall. To me it shows a contempt for the sheep, that he can’t be bothered to actively evolve the ‘scriptures’ to give a rationale for the changes, and also shows that he’s just hell-bent on raking in the money whilst covering his arse legally and who cares if it holds together as a consistent pseudo-philosophy.

            • Tory Christman

              Graham…where it ALL breaks down is $cientology has no “Scriptures”: PERIOD.
              They have “policy” and each policy has a right side and the exact opposite for IF they need that. This is something it takes some time to “get”…as both *seem* to Fit. They don’t. They are merely there for when one Executive needs them. The people? See The Truman Show: that IS $cientology. They cannot see the walls. 🙂 Happy Soon to be Friday!

            • Betsy

              .

            • Betsy

              Sorry. Mistake.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Run, because even though they cover their arses, Tory, you know how dangerous it remains! A *danger* – you can wind-up dead, as Jett Travolta.

            • Tory Christman

              As my brother told me, over 15++ years ago: “Tory, you and I are 1 year apart. I know ONE person who is dead of my friends. EVERY TIME I TALK WITH YOU ANOTHER SCIENTOLOGY FRIEND OF YOURS HAS DIED. He was trying….slowly trying…to help shine the light. It helped, it really helped.

            • OrangySky

              That’s sobering, Tory. xo

          • Betsy

            Even though the signs are up, do they make it actually possible for people to do that? So many people seem to be completely dependent on the CO$ buses to get places; not to mention that staff (as I understand it) have no insurance and probably almost no cash or money in the bank. Am I right in thinking that in spite of the signs it would actually be difficult to impossible for a staffer to get actual medical help unless they actually black out or have a crisis in a public place?

            You must have had some terrible experiences with untended seizures. I have a mild brain-wave disorder (narcolepsy). The idea of trying to survive in the Sea Org without medical help OR at least sympathy…shudder.

      • Mooser

        “If you don’t drop any of the vials, you get to live forever.”

        Jack Parsons was this close. But it wasn’t in his nature to be satisfied with 100,000,000 years, he wanted it all.

    • Tory Christman

      The day it was announced his son died, I made a video: A message to John Travolta. I had helped supervise him years before when he got “Welcome Back Kodder”….and had watched the situation with his son. Due to my having Epilepsy, I KNEW how awful people with physical conditions are treated, so I wasn’t surprised that John always tried to keep his son’s Autism something else. Once I made that video, I had 38 calls the next morning from media around the world. I did interviews every am, lunch and I did Australia and other countries in the PM. It helped begin the snowball, and oh has that come to be true! When OSA kept picking on me for speaking out, THAT is what began “Tick Tock, Tick Tock …Time is on *our* side! Happy Thursday before 2:00 !! 🙂 Tory/Magoo~~Your local, friendly SP!

      • Priscilla

        You have worked tirelessly to speak up about the abuses in $cientology, Tory. Thanks for ALL you do.

        • Tory Christman

          Thank you, Priscilla: It HAS been a lonnnnnnng haul in some respects, but over all, it seems like yesterday that I escaped out. Hearing from people that saw my videos and from that began to LOOK and from that they got free…..that helps me, daily. (And I meet new peeps, happily, every day now —at least every week. 🙂 Thanks to ALL here and every single person who has helped shine the light on these snakes: Sunshine Disinfects! 🙂 Thanks, Warrior, for posting that a skillion times re sunshine. It’s SO true.

      • Shirley Eugeste

        Hey Tory… please allow me to introduce myself. I have enjoyed your many posts and videos and have great admiration not only for what you’re doing, but also for the grace and humor with which you do it. As a member of the Seizure Sisterhood, I know all to well that even the nicest, best-intentioned, and most intelligent people can have a whole lot of trouble differentiating between the neurological and the psychiatric. Both are entirely legit, both can be tricky – but not necessarily impossible – to manage, but they are entirely different. I can only imagine how difficult it must have been for you to deal with a seizure disorder, with all that entails, in the mad mad mad mad world of Scientology. (BTW, have you read “The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down” by the wonderful Anne Fadiman? Highly recommended.) Anyway, I’m glad you got out, glad you’re OK, and glad you’re doing what you do.

        Also… it still cracks me up that the not-so-super powers that be in the CO$ couldn’t have come up with a different name for the new “Super Power” nonsense. Did they forget that the letters “SP” were already in use, in a rather significant way? There must have been some might loud forehead slapping when it finally dawned on them that they’d given their top level the same initials as their bottom level. Way to go guys.

        • Tory Christman

          Excellent points, Shirley—thank you! Yes, it was amazingly difficult and is terrific to be able to talk about it and have people get it. Thank you!

  • Tory Christman

    $cientology “Justice” is to Scientology members what the KKK used to be for black folks: Preplanned horrors. In $cientology…. the innocent hoping for help ends up royally screwed while all around (“Friends” who SHOULD stand up and say s/t and/or help you out) look away. Survival Strategies did one on me (A W.I.S.E. company) TOTALLY doing it the opposite of what “policy” says even. ALL looked away as Dan Owen (wife Jane—said he was “Kha Kahn”…meaning no one could touch him) ran this screw job on me. WISE did not care. These were “Trained Management Consultants” who literally not only looked the other way while Harvey (One of the 2 bosses) had meetings with the “Committee” (I never got to speak with). Here’s an article I wrote on Scientology Contradictions–it’s long and has many key points). http://www.scamofscientology.nl/pagina26.html Also, before s/one is Declared SP, per policy a number of “Ethics actions” are supposed to take place. I had NONE. Apparently now that has become “standard”. Way to go, “Dave”!! He and Tom Cruise are THE best people destroying C of $ the fastest of any 2 peeps on the planet, imnsho. Love to ALL, Tory/Magoo

    • Cat Daddy
      • Betsy

        Oh man. That poor lil teddy.

    • Missionary Kid

      “Scientology “Justice” is to Scientology members what the KKK used to be for black folks: Preplanned horrors. — Tory Christman” is on the list of things said about Co$. I had to remove the dollar sign off of $cientology for alphabetizing reasons. http://tonyortega.org/2013/10/12/tomkat-project-in-los-angeles-heres-your-chance-to-help-the-show-get-to-tinseltown/#comment-1144801640

      • Mooser

        As I recall (and I am old enough to recall this quite well), before the federal government outlawed racial discrimination (to the still-not-over-it butthurt of “conservatives”) it didn’t take the KKK to administer injustice to African-Americans, the State courts of many states did a fine job of that with no help from any NGO’s.

        • Missionary Kid

          Yup. The fact that a few conservatives marched with MLK overlooks that fact that most of them were totally against anti-discrimination laws.

          “You can’t legislate morality” was one of their rallying cries. It was true, but you can legislate behavior. They wanted things to stay the way they were because they’d always been that way.

          • Mooser

            What is so disturbing is that being opposed to the Civil Right laws is the basic, primary complaint of conservatives. That was the point, say “conservatives”, at which the “jack-booted thugs” put “government on out backs” and “took away our freedom”. What is disturbing is that they obfuscate that message, so by now, people don’t know what “conservatism” is really all about. It is about restoring segregation, and sexual discrimination. The fact that equal rights are mandated by law is the basic complaint of conservatives. But by now, that is much easier to hide behind a host of subsidiary complaints and a lot of blather.
            And they wanted things to stay that way because they derived a significant monetary and political gain from segregation and discrimination. Besides, they simply don’t think democracy can work if somebody isn’t getting screwed, good.

            • Mooser

              “You can’t legislate morality” was one of their rallying cries.

              Gee, I remember it as: “Segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever!”. I mean, who could forget that? No wonder so many people named their babies after him!

            • Betsy

              Boy, can I remember hearing that one. I grew up in a very conservative (lots of Birchers!) place. That one was spouted over and over as though it were some nugget of original brilliance each time.

    • Betsy

      Thanks particularly for this article. Lots of good things in there that I had no idea about and will be happy to send to people I know.

  • Tony Ortega

    NEW POST UP!

  • Cece

    Well I’ve had several as well as a few RPF assignments with-out one. The only point I think worth bringing up is the flaw Jeff mentioned – There is no-one assigned to assist you. No lawyer not even a friend to bring with you.
    The entire action is invalidating and even if one deserves a comm-ev or has requested one the mood is full of judgment from start to finish. The persons who joined staff wanted to help for heavens sake. If in fact anything needed correction it rarely took such force. Looking back the persons who maybe could have used one were the one ordering. It actually is painful still to think of the injustices not just to me but what I saw happen with my friends so best I keep working on my furniture I’m building 🙂
    PS There is little love there ~ how this church thinks it is going to bring sanity to the planet when it can’t bring it into it’s own heart, Sad.

    • Cece

      I think maybe invalidation weather done to one or seen one to another or done to ones self causes cancer. I know it causes bodily pain and tiredness. I think free radicals which then to balance themselves (electron wise) attach to (attack) good cells. I’m not a -doctor nor have I ever had cancer but I have a feeling it has something to do with the cause along with other more physical things like toxins. I do know it is hard to live with invalidation. The worse part of my children being disconnected from me is the thought that they think the lies told them (dug up from my church files) are true. I’m not sure I ever even yelled at them more then once or twice – I didn’t need to they were good kids.

      • MaxSpaceman

        So sad to hear of your children remaining disconnected from you, CC.
        Make that furniture beautiful ~

        • Cece

          Thanks MaxSpaceman, I had to cry for a bit after thinking about that but that was for me which had been suppressed. Everyday I cry for others, so many many others are undergoing the same. At one time the church did have a lot of members. If one only takes the AOLA mailing list of about 40k and figure 75% gone and each with maybe 5 effected that = 375,000 the figures get higher and then there is the rest of the world. It is not a small problem and we all seem somewhat connected even if it’s the pain one gets from the empathy for another. It needs to be fixed and that is what Marty, Mike, Karen. Jeff and the rest are doing. I’m not a writer but a pretty good story teller so I’m just waiting till I figure out how and I will speak out loud and clear! Oh and that furniture is turning out really nice. I ordered drafting task chairs and have made counters all around looking right out the widows to the beautiful land outside with the coyotes, bobtail and quail. Makes me stand taller 🙂

          • MaxSpaceman

            Hope you share a link to you story right here on The Bunker someday !!

            • Cece

              Max interesting you would say that. My brother showed up today completely surprised me from Sitka Alaska to Acton CA! His wife is an English teacher and she spent a lot of time talking me into writing a book. She will edit for me. I want it to be an adventure story. I don’t want to do it for money but maybe, just maybe my 2 kids who think I’m an SP will read it. Even if one person read it and learned from it it will be worth it. So I have that duty. Thank you for your encouragement..

            • MaxSpaceman

              Beautiful!! Hope to read your adventure one day ! Best of good luck ~

        • Cece

          Wow, I answered you but it doesn’t show?

          Thanks MaxSpaceman, I had to cry for a bit after thinking about that but that was for me which had been suppressed. Everyday I cry for others, so many many others are undergoing the same. At one time the church did have a lot of members. If one only takes the AOLA mailing list of about 40k and figure 75% gone and each with maybe 5 effected that = 375,000 the figures get higher and then there is the rest of the world. It is not a small problem and we all seem somewhat connected even if it’s the pain one gets from the empathy for another. It needs to be fixed and that is what Marty, Mike, Karen. Jeff and the rest are doing. I will do more after I fix myself up a bit more 🙂
          Thank you for your care.

          • MaxSpaceman

            Good luck with all !

      • OrangySky

        So sorry, Cece. Stay strong…I believe they will come back to you. Kids only get one Mom, and deep in those cells of theirs, they know it.

  • Mary_McConnell

    Message to all – #1 from Roslyn Cohn re: ‘Roz Cohn needs your help’ ( she has problems using Disqus so I am posting it for her)

    Thanks for your concern all. Jake has been at
    Cedars in the ICU since Jan. 16. They have him in an unconscious state
    so that there’s no anxiety about what is going on. He had swine flu,
    double pneumonia complicated by Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome. No
    picnic. They are going to keep him sedated for at least another week.
    They just want his body to heal and they are a great team at Cedars so
    he is in good hands. He will need extensive Rehab after all this. I
    know Jake would be so grateful fort any help you could offer. It’s his
    voice you hear singing the “Star Trek” intro and my accompanist in the
    show. Jake and I wrote together for 8 months and then would bring it to
    Joshua for tweaking, lyric changes and then we’d go back to the editing
    process. I could never have done the show without them. Your help is
    very much appreciated! Love, Roz”

    • Mary_McConnell

      Message # 2 from Roslyn Cohn: Update and Thanks

      “A big thank you to those who have donated! The donations are coming in and I see names I recognize from here!! I am so grateful to you all for stepping up and helping. Your thoughtfulness means so much to me. Jake is now at 40% oxygen which is an improvement!!!! Please continue to keep in in your thoughts and prayers and if you have not already donated, please consider giving a few bucks to help him. You all are so appreciated!!

    • Robert Eckert

      Better in Cedars than in the former Cedars!

      • Mary_McConnell

        Yup!

      • richelieu jr

        You mean ‘Cedars Cianide’?

  • richelieu jr

    To paraphrase Groucho, “Scientology Justice is to Justice what Military Music is to Music.”

  • Oh, what’s the big deal – you haven’t lived until you’ve been CommEved. It’s every $cientologist’s chance to feel like Captain Queeg, or if you’re female, like Humphrey Bogart in drag. Elwrong just came up with the term “Committee of Evidence” because he thought the fun-sounding “Kangaroo Court” would only be understood in Australia, and he had worldwide ambitions.

  • BeenThereDoneThat

    Comm Ev = Kangaroo Court….. great description!
    Having been on the giving and receiving side of these, Jeff does a good job of analytically describing how these crazy things work. One thing I’d add – these are typically done “after hours”, meaning after a very long day. Though they are taken very seriously, all involved are very tired and frustrated about having to participate as opposed to getting some sleep. Also a lot of times justice is handed down from “on high” such as an immediate RPF assignment, then a Comm Ev is convened to justify the assignment. That was how things use to be, I’m not sure DM even participates in the charade anymore. Jeff’s point about the “Convening Authority” having the final say once it is CSW’ed up lines is how I became part of the SP club. Hubbard didn’t agree the findings and tersely fired back that I should be offloaded and declared immediately, not RPF’ed. All I can say is…. thank you!!- I was blind, but now I see….Amazing Grace!

    • DeElizabethan

      Thanks for sharing. I too am glad now that we now see and with Amazing Brace to. So be it!

  • Lady Squash

    I am not sure I want to revisit the occasion of my comm-ev but here goes. I was at the time a true believer and was devastated by the Findings. None of it made any sense to me. The Convening Authority was the ED of the Org who had it out for me because I was asking too many questions and making waves. The “evidence” was a very untruthful KR that she had written on me and a Cram (study correction order) written on me when I was first on staff. There was no crime other than being a rabble rouser and no evidence and I was nonetheless found guilty. I was devastated. I felt my peers whom I liked very much had turned on me. I also understood that they had no choice. It was a horrible time in my life and was the beginning of the end.

  • AintMizBahavin

    i hope no one takes offense to this. for those who know of me you know offense is the last thing on my mind… nor am i a troll. im a never in who hates cos because its the biggest bully in the world. with the militant midget at its helm. with that said. i have a question….. once again please do not take offense. but i have wondered why no one questioned the money aspect of lyingtology.. by money aspect i mean if we were dropped off here by aliens millions of years back. and evolved or whatever lie lrh told. why did it never cross anyones mind to question why he needed to be rich while keeping them poor? i’ve read many stories here , on operation clambake, and other sites about the fund raising, about the harassment to take these courses, about how they have forced people to take out loans, mortgages, etc to give to give to lrh. again dont get me wrong i understand we are all looking for something to make sense to us to give a meaning to our life. and i do not judge any of you. im actually proud to know of such intelligent, strong, funny,and awesome people like all of you and that is what makes me ask the question why some would go into bankruptcy to lose everything they worked their lives for to give to a lying, pathetic, closeted homosexual like lrh? why would he be allowed to separate you from not only your money, but your family and friends ? i also wonder why no red flags went up when he wanted to know everything about your private, lives. and to be honest it astounds me that people would tell these strangers their most deepest, damning secrets with no qualms. with no thought as to wonder why is that necessary to my spiritual growth? lrh took parts from the book of enoch which was removed from all bibles along with quite a few other books, he also took pieces of history that was altered by nefarious polietrickers and fanatical priests along with some parts from the military, and other parts just made up.

    the reason i wonder is because i always assumed that when it came to religion and spirituality we were all looking for love, peace, joy, and happiness. but nothing about lyingtology espouses any of those emotions, thoughts or feelings. and i also wonder why a few hundred of all of you didnt get together and whoop lrh and the militant midget back into their daddies sperm cells…especially once the truth began to come out…. cos would have no need of sp, or to do any of the illegal crap they did. if they were legitimate they wouldnt care if anyone decided to leave nor what they had to say, if they were doing right.

    just some thoughts that run thru my mind from time to time….

  • nottrue