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Indie Scientologists Try to Spoil “Super Power” Release as it (Supposedly) Nears Debut

SPMotionIn January 2012, we spilled Scientology’s “Super Power” secrets — hundreds of never-before-published renderings of what the church’s monster new building in Clearwater, Florida was going to look like, from its basement to its executive offices on the seventh floor. Of particular interest were outlandish contraptions like the Smell Wall, Oiliness Table, Pain Station and other oddities on the building’s space-age fifth floor, where the “perceptics” of Scientologists would be tested.

But seeing all that strange equipment made us wonder: what was the “Super Power Rundown” itself, the special processing that needed a city-block sized, $100-million-dollar edifice that has been under construction for 15 years? What unutterable secrets would be going on in that building? Fortunately for us, a man named Dan Koon gave us a glimpse of some of those secrets.

And now, more than a year later, Dan Koon is spilling the rest of those secrets for the public’s consumption.

Last January, Dan told us about just one of the numerous processes in Super Power, something called the “Bright Think Rundown.” We were stunned to learn that this expensive experience (high-level Scientologists will be charged something like $1,000 an hour for this counseling) will consist solely of an “auditor” asking a subject repeatedly the same question, over and over again: “Where would you be safe?”

Dan suggested to us that after you have to answer that question for hours and hours, your mind starts to come up with some pretty creative answers. But still, that sure seemed like a steep price for something so simple.

Anyway, this week, Dan revealed a 119-page, super-detailed description of the entire Super Power experience (which does include the Bright Think Rundown), and made it public on Andreas Heldal-Lund’s website, Operation Clambake (xenu.net), which since 1996 has been one of the best sources of information on Scientology.

It’s a fascinating document, and we encourage you to go through it and report your favorite items in it. (Much of it will feel familiar for those of our readers following our series on Scientology training, Up the Bridge, with former Scientology executive Claire Headley.)

More importantly, why is this material coming out now? That’s easy: It’s Independent Scientology’s middle finger to Church of Scientology leader David Miscavige.

To understand that, you just need a quick primer on Super Power’s background. Back in 1978, Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard conceived of Super Power as a series of processes to sharpen the senses of burned-out Sea Org employees, members of Scientology’s inner elite who dedicate themselves utterly to the church’s cause. Many Sea Org members had been running afoul of the organization, getting themselves assigned to the Sea Org’s prison detail, the Rehabilitation Project Force. (Numerous historians have pointed out that hundreds of Sea Orgers suddenly found themselves on the RPF’s grim manual labor details just as the church needed a huge renovation done of its new headquarters in Los Angeles, a very convenient coincidence. But Koon assures us in his introduction that Hubbard was actually surprised and upset that so many Sea Org members had been assigned to the RPF. Some will find that a hard story to swallow, we predict.)

For whatever reason, Hubbard designed his series of processes and some initial work was done on them in 1978. But then, in 1980, Hubbard went into seclusion and died six years later. It wasn’t until 1991, Koon writes, that work began to compile and revive what Hubbard had in mind for the full process. We’ve spoken to former Sea Org member Chuck Beatty in the past, who says he was part of the crew who built some of the odd contraptions to help with the “perceptics” portion of the rundown during this testing period at Int Base in California in the early 1990s. (He told us about building a giant chair, for example, which was part of some process about understanding your actual size, or something.)

As Koon indicates, this was still a project for helping staffers sharpen up, and not really something for non-Sea Org members (or “publics,” in Scientology jargon). An exception were two of the Feshbach brothers, who were rewarded for donating a million dollars each to the church’s coffers with a run through the Super Power processes, Koon says. Matt Feshbach was then profiled in a magazine saying that he had achieved superhuman abilities after going through the Super Power Rundown.

At about that time, meanwhile, David Miscavige conceived of a new fate for Super Power: He would make it something for publics to experience, for a (very high) price. In the mid-1990s, plans were made for a massive new facility that would become a mecca for the religion. (And for years it was actually referred to as the “mecca” building, something that only changed recently.) Ground was broken in November 1998, and the building, sitting across the street from the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater, Florida, is still not open.

But over the last 15 years, as the Tampa Bay Times showed, the unfinished Super Power Building proved to be a very lucrative fundraising tool as Miscavige pressed wealthy donors for more and more money to get the building done. Earlier this year, Luis and Rocio Garcia filed a federal fraud lawsuit against the Church of Scientology, alleging that the Super Power Building was specifically used to fleece them of many thousands of dollars.

Meanwhile, over the last few years, as a growing movement of former church members has formed a vocal “Independent Scientology” movement, they have repeatedly ridiculed the Super Power project, saying that Miscavige can’t afford to open it because it would only expose how anemic the church is today and unable to fill the giant building with paying customers.

In recent months, however, Miscavige has made more noise than ever that the building is going to open “soon.” He’s been encouraging members to come to Clearwater to go through rapid preparations for Super Power — which has many of them redoing earlier levels of training (and paying for it all over again).

The carrot that has kept these high-level church members forking out more and more money for donations and for repeated training is Super Power itself. It’s a tantalizing prospect for many Scientologists — that they could finally get inside that building, and pay huge rates to finally get their hands on processing that they expect will give them super powers.

Which is why, with the opening of the building supposedly imminent, the independents are trying to spoil the party with Koon’s publication. Relying on Dan Koon’s memory of working to develop the processes years ago, the indies are putting on the Internet, free for anyone who wants to view them, the secrets of Super Power that so many Scientologists are anxious to pay big money for.

And much of it is extremely underwhelming.

For those who are familiar with Scientology “technology,” what Koon has put online looks very much like other low-level Scientology training. More moving objects around, moving people around, touching walls, answering endless interrogations, and other repetitive tasks.

Mike Rinder, Scientology’s former top spokesman, says it only reinforces what a boondoggle the Super Power Building is…

What I consider a “boondoggle” is the fact that what was intended to be a program to rehabilitate incorrectly RPFed staff (it should probably be called the “RPF Rehabilitiation Rundown”) has been turned into the solution to everything from clearing the planet, to giving OT VIII’s a new carrot, to raising hundreds of millions of dollars for an insane building that is not needed at all. It’s exactly the description of a boondoggle — “the term for a scheme that wastes time and money.” As Jeff Hawkins said, it’s 95 percent marketing (quoting Miscavige).

Former church member and prominent independent Steve Hall sent us these thoughts…

I’m very happy to see that Dan is recompiling the Super Power materials so anyone can download them at no cost. I’m sure the veins in David Miscavige’s neck are popping to hear it. LRH said in 1978 that Super Power was soon to be released. Miscavige has delayed it for 35 years, promoting the lie that he needed a whole building first. But the building was just an excuse to distract attention from the death of Lisa McPherson. Then it became such a colossally fat cash cow he never wanted the collections to end.

Then comes Dan who releases the materials by himself at no charge to anyone. No building. No millions of dollars.

As I’ve said from the start, getting rid of David Miscavige doesn’t fix all the problems of the Church of Scientology, but it could at least open the door a crack for someone to fix the problems. And even if that never happens, exposing predators is simply the right thing to do.

It’s a matter of protecting the public to warn them of danger. When a sink hole opens up in the street, someone has to put up a barricade and a detour to keep people from crashing into the hole. With the Church of Scientology, it’s a long way down because the combination of brutality and reverse Scientology is lethal.

 
Lethally boring, maybe. When we looked through all 119 pages, we couldn’t help thinking how long it would take to get through every exercise, and answer every question — and with that high-priced meter running. As actor and former Scientologist Jason Beghe and others have pointed out to us numerous times, a trip to “Flag” in Clearwater ends up costing you much more than the hourly auditing rate. While you’re trying to get through that interminable set of checksheets, you’re paying to stay in expensive lodging, and for meals, and for extras — nothing in Scientology is free, even when a problem in your auditing occurs and suddenly you’re put through a “False Purpose Rundown” or some other interrogation before you can get back to the thing you came to learn.

We recently talked to a former high-level church member who went to Flag, was forced to go through interrogations that weren’t planned, and ended up spending $300,000 for the privilege. And Scientologists who are eager to get into the Super Power Building will be expecting to pay top dollar.

Anyway, we’re looking forward to your thoughts on Dan Koon’s big effort. For those curious about doing Super Power at a cut rate, he’s provided a valuable service. And for those of us who have always wondered what will go on in that building, he’s given us a seat on the front row. Thanks, Dan!

 
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Scott and Karry Campbell on Their Hellish Treatment at “Big Blue”

These installments from Karen de la Carriere, J. Swift, and Angry Gay Pope just get better and better.

 

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on July 10, 2013 at 06:00

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  • Karen de la Carriere

    “Freedom” is a buzzword in Scientology Inc. The Bridge to total *Freedom.*

    *Freedom* as a Spirit, *Freedom* from the Past, *Freedom from anxiety*

    *Freedom* from all your woes is heavily pitched in their glossy flyers and SOLD to the flock.

    But as any staff member, Sea org member or Scientology public will tell you, it is a blatant LIE.

    The truth is that SCIENTOLOGY Inc. = ENTRAPMENT. The only WILL imposed is the WILL of the *Church*. Less and less power of choice and freedom to make any choices.The deeper down the rabbit hole, the more trapped ~~ til the only way out is to depart. The church is totally dominant all the way threatening to take away you ETERNAL *FREEDOM* !

    The rank and file sign up for Spiritual Advancement, but what they get is an increasingly ABUSIVE Boot camp ! Enforced thuggery and sadism does not go hand in hand with advancing spirituality ! And instead of advancing *Spiritually* the abuse is advancing *physiological* abuse ~~ sleep deprivation, confinement in spaces, sleeping under desks, rice and beans diets, confiscation of all mobile devices, I-phones, I-pads, no access to Internet, radios, tvs, magazines and increasingly less and less contacts with the outside world, including relatives.

    Probably nothing bothers me more that the imprisonment, incarceration, lock down and held against will that Scientology Inc had done with impunity for decades.

    A security risk of any sort is held against will in captivity as in KIDNAP, HOSTAGE a Prisoner, (against the person’s will.) They have done it for decades. They get away with it on a “Religious” loophole.

    Scott Campbell was sniffing around at FREEWINDS, before his mental breakdown. He knew something was *wrong*. Something did not add up.. This “story” of OT VIII to be delivered on a ship that was empty for long periods of time made no sense. Clearwater had enough real estate to administer that……

    Only later did he discover the TRUE INTENT of “Church” of Scientology ship FREEWINDS. Scott shared with me ~~Tax Haven. It is the IAS head office and headquarters. So all the money scammed for the International Association of Scientologists, is tax free, as it has no country, no government, but “registered in Panama” ship- it floats free off tax obligations to any country.

    • FistOfXenu

      Funny how they love words like freedom and free, but when they get their hands on you, there’s no freedom and nothing’s free.

      • Poison Ivy

        Or rather, the only “Free” in Scientology is “Tax-Free.”

        Hear that IRS? FBI? Time to do something right?!!

        Huh? What did you say?

        Oh, sorry. I didn’t get that. I was listening to those very loud CRICKETS.

    • Vistaril

      Everything you say is true and also completely in full accordance with L Ron Hubbard scripture.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Ouch!
        And also true!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Yes, and there are still enough of us around to verify that. The Only thing that has changed is the Money Flow Chart. It changed over to IAS Magical Mystery Tours and Castle in the Sky Building Fund. His Sea Org “project” turned out to just be his Collection Dept, and the G.O. just morphed over to the OSA Mafia Enforcers. Just name changes, that is All that ever changed.

        • ze moo

          The Hubbtard called that ‘admin tech’.

    • stanrogers

      As a wiser man than me wrote, “Freedom’s just another word for ‘nothing left to lose'”. I didn’t know it was about Scientology.

      • Missionary Kid

        Maybe you can write a song to go along with it.

        • Roger Larsson

          Freedom
          from freedom??? A free wind is a bought wind.

          Chorus, we are free and still alive, how about that…..

          • Missionary Kid

            Roger, “Freedom’s just another word for ‘nothing left to lose” is the hook for a very popular song, sung by Janis Joplin, entitled, Me and Bobby McGee.

            It is an American cultural reference, and I was kidding him about taking lyrics from a song..

            I like your try. “We are free and still alive” is something that every ex can celebrate.

            • Roger Larsson

              I made freewind to a reality in scientology. I have never lived this life, this life and so on in a never ending chorus.

            • Missionary Kid

              That reflects $cientology’s way of doing things, over, and over, and over. Good.

            • Roger Larsson

              In Tony Ortegas “cult” People goes free, free and free.

            • Missionary Kid

              And, if we pay, it’s only voluntarily, so the cost is really free, free, free.

            • Roger Larsson

              I’m not a rapper. $cientology makes no harmonies.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              I’m hearing a Randy Neumann parody: “Cult People”.

            • Roger Larsson

              He didn’t sing, did he?

            • stanrogers

              Just want to make sure here that Kris Kristofferson gets the actual credit for writing the song. Janis just wailed the hell out of it.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks, I neglected to point that out.

            • Xique

              Kris Kristoferson wrote the song that Joplin made famous, I believe.

            • Missionary Kid

              Yup, Stan Rogers also pointed it out.

              I should have included that.

      • FistOfXenu

        Well Para$citology sure works hard to make sure the members have nothing left to lose, I’ll give them that.

    • ze moo

      As a ‘religious’ organization, IAS is not subject to US taxes at all. Moving the money offshore allows the clams to not report any of the money to the IRS. Even non-profit ‘religious’ organizations have to report their financial operations. The Freewinds is just a cloak to hide money from everyone, especially the clams. Davey’s nest egg has to sit somewhere…..

    • KNMF

      “…put a sign at the crossroads, that points deeper into the woods,
      you say ‘THIS WAY LIES FREEDOM,” and you see, you’ve promptly trapped a
      lot of people.”

      – Hubbard

    • InTheNameOfXenu

      Karen, ‘Freedom’ is a word that Hubbard redefined so as to suit his personal needs and control individuals. So to this day the perversion of the word ‘Freedom’ is continued within corporate Scientology. The only way to freedom is to leave the cult entirely. Your videos are very informative and are waking up many people still within the cult to open their eyes and look. Bless your heart.

    • Dean Fox

      In Scientology entrapment IS freedom…

      • DeElizabethan

        Yes, freedom from your families, society, truth, money and your true self.

  • Observer

    You predict correctly: Hubbard’s (inventor of the RPF) supposed surpriseness and upsetness that so many people were slapped into the RPF just in time for renovations is *very* hard to swallow. Did the Hub instantly pull all the innocents off the RPF? My educated guess is NO.

    • FLUNK_101

      Hubbard expected things to get done, no matter how unrealistic the goal. Sea Org staff are under incredible duress to “make things go right,” no matter what the cost. I don’t know for sure, Observer, but I think it’s possible it was someone else’s decision to get the renovations done by putting more staff on the RPF.
      Of course, you are right that Hubbard didn’t care about the suffering. Much of Scientology is derived from the work of Aleister Crowley … it was Crowley who said, “Compassion is the vice of kings.”

      • Observer

        I absolutely agree someone else could have made the decision. What galls me is that it sounds like Dan Koon is trying to make Hubbard sound “compassionate” toward his slave labor force.

        If LRH had truly been a compassionate human being he would never have come up with the RPF, fair game, disconnection, overboarding, making people push peanuts around the deck of the Apollo until their noses bled, the suppressive person “doctrine”, etc. He would never have kidnapped and then disowned Alexis as his child (though it was lucky for her that he did). He would have loved Quentin regardless of whether he was gay. The only person L. Ron Hubbard had compassion for was L. Ron Hubbard. The fact that he was kind and fatherly to a few people in no way redeems him from his cruelty toward others.

        • FistOfXenu

          No tangents there Observer. That’s right on the money (to say it in terms LRH and DM can understand).

          Anyways, LRH didn’t do tangents. I bet he sucked at geometry just like he did at physics. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • FLUNK_101

          Excellent observation, Observer! It’s Hubbard’s lack of compassion that makes all of Scientology pure evil. It’s like reverse alchemy – taking something that makes you happy, something golden, and turning it into lead.

          • 0tessa

            ‘Lack of compassion’ in Scientologese translates as ‘unreasonableness’.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Reverse Alchemy. Very nice Flunk! I’m gonna use that for my middle-age-but-still-younger-than Rush tribute band.

        • enoughofthissh…

          Right on.

        • FistOfXenu

          Every time we want to just talk about somebody else doing it we have to remind ourselves of Humbug overboarding people without caring if they were too old or too young to take it, and imprisoning kids in a chain locker, and all the rest of it. The guy was a sadist with a thin vineer of charm so people would think it was okay for him to abuse people.

          • Observer

            I read a witness’s account of an overboarding where Elron was smirking away as he watched. I’ll have to see if I can find it.

            • Vistaril

              L Ron Hubbard actually filmed some overboarding for later viewing. Check Hana Eltringham Whitfield’s accounts for the details. Evil cult leader was evil.

            • Observer

              I wish I could say that surprises me.

            • Vistaril

              L Ron Hubbard’s Scientology in action . . .

            • Observer

              While looking for it I found this article. Very interesting, even if a couple of small details are wrong (missionaries instead of missionaires, for example). Apologies if it’s been posted before, but I hadn’t seen it.

              http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8766181/going-overboard/

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              never saw this. tks.

              I’m still rolling my eyes reading Rinder say people are exaggerating, that it was never really, you know, life threatening, nobody died after all, I’m paraphrasing. I hope Mike grows up a little faster now that he’s a married man with children to raise.

            • DeElizabethan

              Again. Maybe this second time has to better than the fist since he is more mature and wiser.

        • Peter

          Ah, Quentin. I was very fortunate to have him as an auditor. Kind, sweet, loving, VERY funny. One of the great highlights of my time in. And all he really wanted to do was become a pilot! Loved flying. Wherever he may be, I send him love and best wishes.

          • FLUNK_101

            A friend of mine twinned with Quentin on a hard TR’s course in Vegas. He loved Quentin.
            Some Scientologists had high hopes it would be Quentin to replace Ron, when the time came.
            The story I love to tell is when my friend asked Quentin what Hubbard was like at home.
            Quentin said his dad like watching the Beverly Hillbillies.

        • LRH did not come up with the idea for the RPF. Ken Urquhart did.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Thanks for the Day-ta Dan!

          • Observer

            Thanks for the correction.

            Still, at the very least LRH implemented it–not what I’d call a compassionate decision.

            • DeElizabethan

              Liar Hubbard had ideas from many others, but he was the boss who wrote or OK’d the policy and therefore the responsible one.

          • Vistaril

            L Ron Hubbard just wrote the every-increasingly draconian scripture including the RPF’s RPF and the children’s RPF.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Joe is correct. And so are you! Is there Anything Hubbard didn’t um “borrow”.

              I will say that the RPF hasn’t gotten so much worse from what I have read in Miscavige’s hands. There Were time limits on the thing originally but that is when it was meant for criminal types. Now I know what you’re thinking….shouldn’t scientology officers send criminals when they are discovered in their midst to jail? But wog justice is evil.
              But the time limit was there so if the criminal didn’t snap out of it, the reasoning was, why waste any more resources on him or her?

              But then the Renovations came. Then, the time limit became when the renovations were finished, although not admitted at the time. Miscavige seems to have carried on this tradition but then withdrew the time limits, just kept them on as handymen. He also established it as a way to get his rocks off as pervert and sadist. I couldn’t believe it when I read that people were being held for years, years!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Sorry, you don’t know what you’re talking about. There’s a few thousand of us who lived to tell the truth. Hubbard was a sadist among his other charms. The RPF Renovation period didn’t happen just Once, in one location, it happened Every Single Time major renovations needed to be done and in happened over and over in Los Angleles, in Clearwater, and in England and Australia and and…. there are more than enough people who worked side by side and carried out Hubbard’s Orders. There are also piles of Flag Orders that verify what he knew and when he knew it.

        • villagedianne

          Miscavige does the same thing. I’ve read that he’ll put people on some arcane punishment,and then be shocked, shocked, when they are still on this punishment months or years later.

        • FLUNK_101

          So sorry, H!

          But I acknowledged Hubbard’s lack of compassion, didn’t I? And I said I really didn’t know who ordered those people onto the RPF.

          “Sea Org staff are under incredible duress to “make things go right,” …I think it’s possible it was someone else’s decision to get the renovations done by putting more staff on the RPF … you are right that Hubbard didn’t care about the suffering.’

          I was never on staff like you, Hole. I never went though what you went through. Sorry if you thought I was being glib.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            No problem, flunk. I threw in that Glib part as joke, but I don’t do sarcasm fonts because I’m that lazy. It’s just that Hubbard not only Knew, but orders came from him. For those of us who found this out later, it was The shock of shocks you have to get through.

    • Poison Ivy

      It’s the old “Plausible Deniability” routine.

    • AnonymousSP

      “…the Hub”
      LMAO

      • Missionary Kid

        Here’s a few more names I’ve collected of of this blog for his evil highness:
        The Hub
        Etron (turd) ร  la Persil
        Liar Ron Humptydumpty
        Liar Ron Humpty
        Fat Fraudster
        L. Con Hubbard
        Hubtard
        Liar Ron Humbug
        Tubbard
        Marquis de Fraud
        Blubbard
        Flubhard
        Blubtard
        “Dr” L. Ron Crankenstein.
        Dr. Scrubbard
        Liver lips and a sebaceous cyst
        Hubbard the hole.

        • FistOfXenu

          Strangers visiting here might think we don’t like the guy or some thing.

          • Missionary Kid

            {Oh, no! We LOVE the Hub!!!}

        • Poison Ivy

          The Hubster.

          • FLUNK_101

            I like The Hubster. I also like Jon Atack’s dry and sarcastic “The Great OT.” It “cuts to the chase,” if you know what I mean.

            • FistOfXenu

              I like The Great OT too. Trouble is, in my head it turns into “The Great BloatTee”. And then I think of fish. And then I think of what they did with his ashes (if they were telling the truth).

              The bloater:
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloater_(herring)

          • Missionary Kid

            I thought I had that one, but I didn’t. Added.

        • Observer

          I submit for your consideration a typo I made this morning: Hubbarf

          • Missionary Kid

            Added.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I don’t really like name-calling, but I will from time to time refer to him as Dear Founder, as opposed to Miscavige, who I refer to as Dear Leader. This, of course, based on North Koreans being forced to refer to the Kims as “Dear Leader.”

          • Missionary Kid

            I understand the antipathy to the name calling.
            He is, of course, the person in charge, who tends to micromanage the evil that is the Co$ as such, I hold him responsible for all the evil that continues.
            For me, that means that I’m going to give him and to collect very negative names.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              My antipathy is toward name calling in general. Not to say I don’t indulge from time to time…

            • Missionary Kid

              I think I understand. For me, I just get so angry at the actions of the {church}, it’s leaders and founder that, with the bitter taste that leaves in my mouth, I almost refuse to use their proper names and titles.

              For individuals that I’m writing to, I try not to use any ad hominem attacks, so I try not to indulge in name calling.

              That almost sounds like a contradiction in my actions, but that’s how I tend to operate.

    • Phil McKraken

      I don’t see the problem here. From what we know about Hubbard, he could very easily have ordered all those poor fools to the RPF and also be shocked that so many innocents were on the RPF. His was a mind custom built for extreme cognitive dissonance, which is why all Scilons are expected to suffer the same malady.

  • Bella Legosi

    Speaking of RPF…….has anyone noticed that the second episode of the new season of Arrested Devlopment has George and Oscar Bluth offering the “sweat amd squeeze” for thousends of dollars. The paralles between that situation and what SO are put thru is keenly subtle. I was wondering if anyone else saw what I did!

    • Sherbet

      Yup, and I mentioned it several weeks ago.

      • Bella Legosi

        No. I envaded your thinkingness and remotely implanted that idea just to see how well it would be recieved! Of course Iwas only following orders from Captain and Fist!

        ;P

    • Robert Long

      Later in the season, Rebel Alley says she tried to delete her Facebook account but “it’s easier to leave Scientology;” later still, George Michael’s privacy software runs afoul of Anonymous. It’s a good show.

      • Bella Legosi

        Nice! I only watched episode 1 & 2 before I went home to my non-Netflix having household!

  • Sidney18511

    Best. Video. Yet!

  • Brian

    I hope and pray for a quick demise of this evil ‘church’.
    Dave, and all you agents spying on tsunami heading your way, here is what’s coming: all the force of the legal world world that you have used to expload theta lines is spring loaded to recoil back on you with the ferocity of the evil you have perpetrated.

    OSA agents, you have allowed yourselves to be self hypnotised into fighting shadows of enemies not real.

    You have allowed yourselves to be overwhelmed by the tyranical personality of David Miscavige. He rules by punishment and fear. Is that why you got into Scientology? To be abused by someone and call it being helped by him? By being punched in the face or stomach and blame yourself for it?

    You have been tricked into thinking you are doing good!

    Somewhere inside you, you KNOW! You know something is not right. There are people out here who will help you. You must grant yourself beingness and escape as hundreds have.

    Miscavige is not right in the head. Look up the definition of sociopath in the dictionary. Sound Familiar? It is not evil to know what you know. It is evil to always blame you for someone elses abuses of you.

    Miscavige is going down not because the world is full of evil. Define sociopath and know what you know. Your friends await you.

    • Peter

      Beautiful post, Brian. Bravo!!!

  • FLUNK_101

    Thank you Tony for bringing things like “the Smell Wall, Oiliness Table, Pain Station and other oddities” into my life. It has to some of the wackiest, stupidest stuff I ever heard of, and it’s perversely fascinating.
    As weird as Scientology was to begin was, it has actually managed to become even weirder … it’s become a caricature of itself called “Super Power.”

  • FistOfXenu

    I tried to take TonyO’s invitation to read Koon’s explanation of Sooper Powerz, and now I know I wouldn’t want to be a para$citologist if they were paying me the $300,000. I stayed awake for a couple dozen pages before feeling like I was losing the will to live. Good old Humbug jolted me back to snark with “โ€œWhat would happen if you were apathetic?” I had the cognition at that very moment if I was answering that question to an auditor my answer would be “don’t know. don’t care”. And just then with that big win came another. Mrs FOX set the pancakes on the table and I poured us both another cup of joe. No apathy about that.

    • FistOfXenu

      PS- I keep seeing “Hellos and okays to any pictures” Anybody can tell me what that means? These are pictures you come up with when your answering the questions? And you actually say hello to them or what? And why? And what’s an “okay” here?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Fork over a few hundred thousand dollars. Then…it will all make sense.

        • FistOfXenu

          You’re the 2nd person regging me today? Ain’t happening.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            it’s that damn internet thing again, isn’t it?

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        ‘pictures’ most likely means ‘persistent mental images’. Sometimes they won’t go away and are bothersome.

        Hellos and okays is a process of that name. I used to use it on headaches and injuries. It is classified as an ‘assist’. You can do it out loud, or ‘telepathically’, I.E.: In your head. Goes like this:

        (locate the picture, image or body part, whatever)

        “Say hello to it.”

        “Have it say OK, to you.”

        “Have it say hello to you.”

        “Say OK to it.”

        Then start from the top and repeat. It’s a loop. Keep going until something changes for the better.

        It’s a communication process, the stuck picture or whatever should leave or diminish.

        You can send the $ to my paypal account.

        • FistOfXenu

          You regging me, Michael? But thanks for the info. Can’t say I’ll be saying hello to stuff in my head any time soon. But I might try it with Mrs FOX when she gets back just to see how that works. Do I have to use the word “hello” or can I use “how YOU doing?”

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          I’m sorry Michael, but this is just insane stuff. It’s like something right out of One Flew Over the Coocoo’s nest. Now I have an image of Danny Devito yelling HELLO, OK, HELLO, OK rather than “hit me, hit me” during the card game. Maybe if I say hello and Ok enough it will go away.

    • Bella Legosi

      I am relagated to my phone today ๐Ÿ™ that reading is going to have to wait! I am sure I shall recieve an excellent primer from all you Bunkerites tho!

      • FistOfXenu

        Maybe not from me. From me you’ll get snark except when I sink to the depths of surrealistic ridicule. What I’ve read so far tells me these sucke- I mean, cult members – aren’t going to turn into Superman from doing this. Hell, they aren’t even going to turn into Clark Kent.

        • Bella Legosi

          See! I am learning already and getting a preview of the tidium!

          Bware someof the most dispicable crap is contained in boring and tedious writing! But I should stow my excitement. Hub can be the most self deluded and boring writer ever!

          • FistOfXenu

            Speaking of that I found this throw away in PAB 146:

            “When I say or ask, “Is the preclear’s thinkingness under control?” I want you to understand that it is less under the preclear’s control at any time than under the auditor’s. The auditor can certainly control the preclear’s thinkingness better than the preclear can. But before you can do this you must first get the preclear’s body and attention under control.”

            It’s that assumption that the auditor is the person that can and should control the preclear.
            KEEP YOUR DAMN AUDITING HANDS OFF MY ATTENTIONNESS AND BODYNESS AND THINKINGNESS YOU FREAK!
            There. I feel better now.

            • Bella Legosi

              Ooh I reallycant wait to disect this! Thank you!

              Thinkingness……..its words like this that make me think tgat Co$ is an evil, failed, Dr.Suess cult! How is putting ‘ness’ at the end of words helpful!? It sounds sooooo uneducated and very unoriginal………oh wait…….thats right Hub made up that word! Silly me!

            • FistOfXenu

              Now write up your win and take your credit card to the Regging Officer.

            • Bella Legosi

              NO!

            • Mark

              Well, not until you’ve rerun “doingness and beingness” again because of an M/U on your last TR. After me now: “Do-be-do-be-do, be-do-be-dum-dum; do-be-do-be-do, be-do-be-dum-dum…”

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I think the only repetition you’ll get Bella doing is bongingness.

            • Peter

              Why are you insulting Dr. Seuss??? LOL

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Insultingness bad.

            • Observer

              Nix insultingness.

            • Bella Legosi

              lol touche!

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              Holy shit! What kills me is that LRH actually articulates this and his other evilness… writes it down ever-so-clearly, and folks under the spell not only lap it up, they pay for it.

            • Vistaril

              Absolutely. Scientology is so much about control. In the hypnosis auditing session, L Ron Hubbard talks about “owning” the PC and “playing his reactive mind like a film”. Of course, “the reactive mind has no rights”, so control over others extends well beyond the auditing sessions. The philisophical basis for this can be found in scripture such as HCO POLICY LETTER OF 21 FEBRUARY 1961 Issue II CHOOSING PE AND REGISTRATION PERSONNEL, which states, inter alia:

              Control = Income.

              When you have people who cannot control people on PE and Registration posts, your income falls or vanishes.

              This comes about from the state of “self-determinism” in the society today. What with advertising and stepped-up political and economic controls, the “selfdeterminism” of the general public is only reactivism.

              As any control we exert upon the public brings about a better society, we are entirely justified in using control.

              The best control, for PE and Registration purposes, includes the greater good of the applicant. Therefore, KNOWINGNESS must be included with control. One must discover what is best for the applicant and then control him into obtaining it. Leaving it up to his “self-determinism” is really leaving it up to his reactive mind.

              With our current rundown of processing (SOP Goals), any staff member will sooner or later get his or her control button freed up. But if there are financial emergencies, as these affect all staff, the entire staff should be tested out for knowingness and control and those members who are best at it should be placed in Registration and the PE Foundation.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              And there you have it. The Vulture Culture of Scientology Salesmen, and FSM’s (also salesmen but not staff, they worked the field, meaning at least it did mean members who weren’t actively in the org doing something). And now the IAS has morphed into something worse than a vulture. I don’t even know what concept word would describe them. Fanatic + vampires?

              Every fanatical group has that same two clauses:
              “we are entirely justified” “greatest good”

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I’m thinking Lex Luthor.

    • Captain Howdy

      Pancakes vs Insanity..hmmmm?

      • FistOfXenu

        Tough choice huh?

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      The only time I enjoyed being a guinea pig for one of Hubbard’s pilot programs was The Happiness Rundown. It put me firmly on the route to Exit. That’s why it was modified later on. Staff realized No Way they could be happy in hell. When I was sent to the RPF for the crime of wanting to Exit, I was put on the Running Program, now called in Super Power lingo the “Cause Resurgence”. Well, I am going to take a pretty fair guess that That program as I did it had been drastically altered too because it helped me and some of the other RPF’rs on it with me to Cause us to really get through the Exit Door.

      And some of those Justice questions on the Super Power rundown are going to burst an awful lot of bobblehead bubbles when they are asked (at Thousands of $$ an hour) to think about injustices and unfairness they have experienced….bwa haha.! I wonder if there will be security guards at every exit door of the Super Power Building and if Miscavige will have to outsource the job to wogs?

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Ohhh, Ohhhh! (raises hand), I got an idea for the perfect rundown: “spot an outpoint in scientology” “spot an outpoint in Ron”. Run alternate repetitive to EP. Exteriorization from scientology with full perceptions.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Package it up in pretty golden bows and sell it to the whales. Evidently, they’ll buy Anything!

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        “And some of those Justice questions on the Super Power rundown are going to burst an awful lot of bobblehead bubbles”
        I am really hoping that is the case–the ultimate foot bullet! Ok, Bunkerites, what cartoon am I thinking of where the giant foot comes down with a loud boom and an echo and smashes the poor folks?

        • Kitz

          Isn’t that in the opening for Monty Python’s Flying Circus? Or it is at least connected to it. Love that show!

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            that’s it! thanks!

            • Kitz

              You’re welcome! Every once in a while the couple of brain cells I have fire correctly. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Sssshhhhhhhhh! Don’t help them. The cult doesn’t realize what YOU know.

  • Bella Legosi

    I wonder if being in bed with NoI is the reason Super Power is no longer reffered to as “Mecca”?

    • Poison Ivy

      That and general anti-Islamic prejudice in the US these days, no doubt.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      there’s an SPF joke in there somewhere.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Yippee! Scientology “power” tools!

    • Observer

      Starring the Big Beings as the tools with the powerfulness superest toolness!

    • FistOfXenu

      Should we call in Tim Taylor and Al Borland? “More power!”

  • Bella Legosi

    I have to give the Indies some respect for putting this on the net. By doing so they have to know that more people will jokeand degrade it; then take it seriously. But it shows that at least with the Indies they can handle some J&D without legal action or stalking. I do understand the motive that by releaseing this info really is a middle finger to Co$! I support anyone who gives this cult the middle finger! Cant wait to read it!

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Absolutedly…they deserve credit here. And what can Miscavige do? Sue? That would mean DM would expose himself in a legal court room as having changed and altered Hubbard’s Super Power “tech” and committed fraud to the tune of hundreds of millions of Dollah’s. hahahahahahaha

      Checkmate! It’s a thing of beauty it is.

      • Bella Legosi

        *giggling maniacally* Great point!

        However, you should not underestimate a person or group that is cornered! Sun Tzu said, “Don’t fuck with those who have been beaten into a corner. They turn into raging animals capable of defeating you!” Okay……okay that was Bella’s translation! >P

        Here are some upbeat visual aids!

  • FistOfXenu

    โ€œCan you find a nothingness somewhere around you?โ€ Asking this is begging for it. Just begging.

    Correct answer: “No, David Miscavige isn’t in the room with us” unless he is. Then you just point at him.
    Seriously my big problem with this is I’m just not taking it seriously. Sorry but reading this just makes me want to mock the hell out of it. Practically every question could be a straight line.

    • Bella Legosi

      ;D Bellas Eskimo Jedi Knight Wizard skills called the potential jokeing and it not being taken seriously earlier!

      And I am a self taught Wog and didnt have to spend one dime!

      • FistOfXenu

        “These ARE the jokes you’re looking for”

    • Observer

      How can you not take COB’s ecclesiastical genius seriously?! He is a very dignified and religious ecclesiastical leader!

      • Bella Legosi

        You forgot the “lady parentheses”
        {}
        ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • FistOfXenu

          I think Obs left the {} off deliberately in case we think it’s a snide insinuation about DM’s {masculinity}.

          See what I mean?

          • Bella Legosi

            Ahhhhh clever!

        • Mark

          Ecclesiastical leader indeed! Miscarriage is a real “front-bottom brackets”!

          • Bella Legosi

            Oh you joker and degrader!
            ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Observer

          But I was serious! No, really!

          • Bella Legosi

            lol the internet lost in translation monkey strikes again!

            • Observer

              The truth: it’s all snark.

      • FistOfXenu

        Obs there’s nothing funny about making me laugh until I almost get toast up my nose.

        • Observer

          Oh yes there is!

          • FistOfXenu

            Watch your back, Obs.

      • enoughofthissh…

        Ready for the tanning bed!

      • Lilaeth

        I think I’m going to throw up….

        • Observer

          Here’s the context. I don’t know if that will make it better or worse.

          • Lilaeth

            I’m going to print that out and stick it on the fridge door – I need to lose a few pounds!!

  • BuryTheNuts2

    “Lethally boring, maybe.”

    No kidding, TO. I read part of it yesterday and while I got a few chuckles, mostly my brain seemed that it was overheating. Because I was yawning a lot.
    I musta had a M/U!

  • Andrew Robertson

    Do Independent Scientologists follow the ‘Ethics Conditions’ as defined by the Founder?

    . Power
    . Power Change
    . Affluence
    . Normal Operation
    . Emergency
    . Danger
    . Nonexistence
    . Liability
    . Doubt
    . Enemy
    . Treason
    . Confusion

    If so, then Dan Koon is in a position of ‘Power’ with his magnificent explanation of the Super Power Rundowns.

    And though I don’t have any right to do so, as ‘Impersonation of a Scientologist (without authority)’ is a crime according to HCO PL 7 March 1965 Issue III, JUSTICE OFFENSES AND PENALTIES, though fortunately not a high crime, I would also assign the ‘Power’ condition to Karen de la Carriere, J. Swift, and Angry Gay Pope for their wonderful videos!

    Andrew

    • FLUNK_101

      Thank you Andrew for assigning a condition of power to these people who know what it’s like to be put in a “lower condition.”

    • Xique

      I was just trying to remember which was lower , confusion or treason. You put this up just for me. I was always in confusion when I was on staff. Nothing made any sense to me, I was a lousy Scientologist. This makes me feel good now that I’m out of there. Hindsight is 20-20, I wasn’t confused in the least, just made crazy by it all.

    • DeElizabethan

      Good one! Yes, they are in power and {now you are in treason, heh!}

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Back to Qual, the whole lot of you!

        It’s Power Change. I can’t believe I still know this crap.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    I say we light a fire under that oiliness table and fry up some breakfast chimichangas!!!

    • FistOfXenu

      I’ll settle for a 2nd plate of Canadian bacon.

      • stateofcircle

        Fascist.

        • FistOfXenu

          What? I can’t help it. I like Canadian bacon with breakfast. I like Spam too and succotash and I know people think I’m weird for it but I do.

          • stateofcircle

            Eh, I like that corned beef hash from a can, so I can’t really talk. It’s my disgusting little secret.

            • FistOfXenu

              I’ll make you a deal. You leave my Canadian bacon and Spam and succotash alone and I’ll leave your canned corn beef hash alone.

            • stateofcircle

              Deal.
              But Spam?

            • FistOfXenu

              Sorry! That’s my disgusting little secret.

              http://youtu.be/anwy2MPT5RE

            • ze moo

              Spam,like many ‘mystery’ meats, is wonderful concoction of chemicals and unidentifiable meat parts. Scrapple is a similar product. Ever wonder what animal parts are a ‘slim jim’??

            • FistOfXenu

              There are some thing that are just better not thought about. Ever wonder what’s REALLY in your hamburger? Or meatballs? Or sausages? Or hotdogs? We grind our own beef so we know that part. But for the other stuff we just trust our butcher or some factory and we don’t think about it. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Poison Ivy

              That reminds me of when I was in college. Fish Friday at the dining hall often served up a concoction called “Sea Legs”. It was a lot of unrecognizable fishy things blended and disguised by a very thick pasty cream sauce.

            • Missionary Kid

              What about mystery meat?

            • junojones

              Until recently I worked in a college cafeteria. ‘Sea Legs’ are “healthier” now. They just put the fake crab/fish melange on the salad bar with no sauce. We had a bit to get rid of before semester break, so the salad lady coated them in mayo, threw in some green onions and sold it as ‘crab salad’. It blew me away that people would buy it…

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Mmmmmmm, scrapple. I used to love it as a kid. Grandma would slice it thin and get it all crispy in the frying pan. Then when I was about 10 I made the mistake of looking at the package while she was cooking it. List of ingredients was frightening. Never wanted it again!

            • Captain Howdy

              Fried spam, eggs and tater-tots. It’s grrrrreat!

            • Sherbet

              Do you cover it with cheese, or are you watching your cholesterol?

            • Captain Howdy

              No cheese. That’s a bit too rich even for my degenerate tastes. You?

            • Sherbet

              Cheese but no tots. Sounds good, though. My arteries are clogging just thinking about it.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Usually this gang doesn’t get the munchies until late at night. What, did you all skip dinner last night or does reading the Super Power issues make one hungry. Of course, I am eating lunch at the moment, an hour earlier than usual. Hmmmm

            • stanrogers

              Not as good as Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, Spam, bacon, eggs and Spam.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Me too! Smothered in Hatch New Mexico green chili with an egg!

            • Kitz

              Nothing better than New Mexico green chile… Made myself ill on the stuff when I visited Alb, but damn did I enjoy the misery. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • BuryTheNuts2

              My sister ships me a big box every year and we roast it on the grill and then freeze it.

              I am totally out and the harvest isn’t until August!

            • Kitz

              Eeks, that is a tragedy! I was down there the first part of Sept. and the smell of roasting chiles in the air was amazing.

              Hopefully the harvest isn’t completely destroyed by the drought… My friend said that the Middle Rio (? I think) was completely out of water already.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              FREAKin yikes!!!

              I cannot live long without New Mexico Chile!

              This will seriously devastate my chicken embryo consumption…

              This is like the universe would be urging me to end cycle!!!

            • Kitz

              I’ve been considering having some shipped up from the Church Street Cafe in old town Alb. I liked it the best out of all the places that I just HAD to try their chile.

              http://www.churchstreetcafe.com/

            • BuryTheNuts2

              You are killing my diet right now.

              I want green chile posole stuffed into a fresh NM sopapilla.

            • Kitz

              I’d {almost} kill for one of their Navajo tacos…. Methinks I need to find a rich sugar daddy so I can afford to go back to NM ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Kitz
            • BuryTheNuts2

              NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

              I am verklempt!
              I am also speaking yiddish again

            • Peter

              With two eggs over easy on top. YES!!!

          • Lilaeth

            Candian bacon and Spam, yes, but I had to Google succotash – does it taste better than it looks??

            • FistOfXenu

              Depends I guess. You like corn and lima beans? Can you use your imagination to cook it up with chopped up bacon (or in my case Spam) or stewing beef and other things? And do you like having an easy to prepare 1 pot meal if you’re in the woods camping or in a cabin somewheres? You can vary the recipe a lot to make it a left over stew and it’s filling and nutritious. It’s great with corn bread. Most of my kids liked it. My middle boy hated it til he was about 10. For some reason after that he loved it.

              But you’re right, it ain’t pretty. I won’t say what my middle boy called it until he started liking it. Best try it for yourself.

            • Missionary Kid

              Sylvester talked about it a lot.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Stopth with that, I’m suphherring here!

            • Missionary Kid

              At least Tweety Bird could get away. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • FistOfXenu

              Didn’t help my son much. He just said he believed the “suffering” part and didn’t want to suffer any more than he had to. Then like I say he changed and couldn’t get enough. Strange kid but you’d never know to see him now.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              You sir, deserve a nod for that one.

            • Missionary Kid

              Thanks, Mel Blanc used to say that every great cartoon character has a speech impediment.

              Sylvester’s speech would come out like “Thufferin’ Thuccotath.”

          • Peter

            I lived through WWII and firmly believe that anyone who likes Spam IS weird!!!! ROFL

            • FistOfXenu

              I don’t remember the war clearly but I was weaned on Spam and it was comfort food when I was a kid. What can I say?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I used to like it as a kid. My mom fried it and that made it better.

            • FistOfXenu

              It’s good fried. A little skill with a sharp knife and a frying pan and it’s a decent substitute or bacon. A couple cans of the stuff is a reasonable food to pack on a 4 day hike. Just remember to be careful with it and all your food to minimize bear attack, and carry the empty cans back out again in an airtight bag. Keep the wilderness clean! “Take nothing but pictures. Leave nothing but footprints. Kill nothing but time”

            • Phil McKraken

              Incredible to say, I’ve never tasted it in my life. I should get around to it before it goes the way of the Twinkie.

            • ze moo

              The US and Britain sent a lot of war material to the Soviet Union during WW2. They got tanks and aircraft and gasoline and food stuffs. The Soviets only liked the spam. Spam helped the Russian front stay in the fight. Not bad for a mystery meat….

            • Missionary Kid

              Peter, the spam of today is quite different than the spam of that time. The Pacific Islanders and Hawaiians love and loved it.

              Remember that huge glop of semi-clear semi-liquid that always came with the meat in the can? There’s barely any of that any more.

            • junojones

              I am not a spam fan, but I can eat my weight in Hawaiian-style Spam musubis (sort of spam sushi roll). Sounds disgusting, but delicious when done right.

            • Missionary Kid

              I use a small amount of spam (about a quarter of a can or less) in stir fry. I cube it in pieces much smaller than sugar cubes. I I brown it first. I find it adds just a little bit of flavor.

            • Robert Eckert

              New product, Spam Lite:
              Same rancid flavor, only
              Half the yellow slime

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Don’t visit Hawaii. It’s practically the national food there.

            • MissCandle

              Spam is the official church camp food:

              The spam that they have there, they say is mighty fine;
              Must be true ’cause they serve it all the time.
              Oh, I don’t want no more of church camp life.
              Hey mom! I wanna go … but they won’t let me go …
              Hey mom! I wanna go home!

            • Missionary Kid

              I never had Spam at church camp. Maybe it was too long ago. The last time I was at church camp was probably 50+ years ago. All I can remember is possibly some pancakes and scrambled eggs in the morning, and spaghetti. Otherwise, the food was unremarkable.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            spam:

            Meat, or not a meat?
            Forever is the question
            Noble it is not

            {for yet another brief rabbit hole, circa 1995: http://web.mit.edu/jync/www/spam/8501-8600.html }

            • FistOfXenu

              I know what you’re saying but officially Spam is chopped pork shoulder meat. So unless the FDA’s letting them slide on this it can’t be as bad as some things. Since I been watching Para$citology I like to think it means “Suppressive Person’s hAM”. ๐Ÿ˜›

      • Bella Legosi

        Mmmmmmmmm………that sounds tastey wonderful! I had spaghetti and meatballs for breakfast/dinner! Home made with love and awesome!

        • FistOfXenu

          Spaghetti breakfast! Wonderful! I’ll have to talk Mrs FOX into having that later this week.

          • Missionary Kid

            Pie for breakfast, pizza for breakfast, chili for breakfast. I’m omnivorous. My stomach must not have a clock.

          • Bella Legosi

            I am Italian and my family can eat spaghetti any time! I hate to toot my own gorn, but I do make one hell of a red meat sauce and kick ass meat balls! I should charge,but watching those around me savor what I cooked and getting fully fed is payment enough!

            • Bella Legosi

              Okay diSux is really messing with my phone!

        • FLUNK_101

          Frank Zappa talked about eating fried spaghetti for breakfast. He called it “Dad food” – warming up for breakfast what your family had for dinner the night before.

          • Bella Legosi

            Hmmmm fried sketty? Interesting! I might have to try that! My sauce would actually taste really good combined with a fry method!

            Damnit now I am getting hungry again! Fried spaghetti and canadian bacon oh my!

          • FistOfXenu

            It’s really good fried. Used to be popular back in the day.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Kinda like chinese ‘fried noodle’ you can order with chowmein.

            • FistOfXenu

              But it’s got all that tomato and beef and garlic goodness too. And it’s tasty with grated cheese on it.

  • stateofcircle

    As awesome as it was for Dan Koon to do this, and as much as I and many respect him for it, thinking that it is going to have any affect on Scientologists (corporate ones) is just another pipe dream. So indoctrinated they are to never look at the Internet and truly believe virtually everything that does not come from the Chruch itself is evil, entheta, squirrel, etc., etc., that most will never even see this and those that do won’t believe it, even if it is verbatim to what they have seen and experienced inside the church. And that is yet another reason why this is just so, so sad.

    • Mighty Korgo of Teegeeack

      I know what you mean. When you are cut off from reality, Dan Koon’s actions can’t change you.

      I also recall a certain esprit de corps in Scientology that was strengthened by these attacks.

      Here is what I hope though– The actions of people like Dan (and you and I), land somewhere. Where ever they do land there is a bit of rationality (or what they would call enturbulation). Eventually the person who is getting the information realizes that there is another way to live. They leave, first blaming it on the management. Then one day they realize the whole thing is rotten to the core. And, it is happening. Hardly anyone is left. Miscavige is poised to become the C.O.B of Studebaker, Captain of the Flying Dutchman and the last living cell in a dead body.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Nice analogy for bitty boots!

      • Observer

        … the parasite that dies after it’s ravaged and killed its host.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Exactly! and I do believe this Super Power business will suck out the very last drop, whether it’s their cash, their sanity, or their physical health, this is something has ban been built up and pent up for three decades. She’s gonna blow!

          • ze moo

            The moving target scam always has another place to move the target. Golden Age of tech 3, 4 and 5. Extra stupor powerz, now with sunnyness. As long as there is money in someones pocket, the co$ will go for it. I do think critical mass has been achieved, being a clam has become a liability, emotionally and fiscally.

            • Missionary Kid

              I believe that being a clam has always been a liability, emotionally and fiscally.

    • Peter

      My feelings are that you’re correct. It will have little effect…though I dearly hope I’m wrong. However, I also think that it’s long since time many of them “woke up” to what is going on, particularly those in the SO who actually *see* this stuff around them. When one stubbornly clings to fear, tolerating gross negligence and surrounded by pain and suffering, they have to take some responsibility for what is going on. If I were in a “wog” (always hated that word!) job and even 1/10th of it were going on, I’d be out of there in a New York minute. Indeed, I have done exactly that several times in my many years. Stubbornly clinging to that which doesn’t work will have obvious repercussions.

      I’m also astounded that the various local, state and Federal authorities have refused to take any action whatsoever. “Religious freedom” hardly covers enforced incarceration, slave labour, maltreatment of “prisoners”, constant child abuse, enforced abortions….and on and on and on.

      Do I have any answers? Unfortunately, no. Nor do I pretend to do so. It seems that each person who has left, at all levels of treatment by the Church of Insanity, have to “wake up” at their own rate. Some do it within months, others cling to the dreadful treatment for years. All I can do is shake my head and go on with a much happier life than I would ever have dreamt before.

      I honour those of you who have awakened and gotten out. Jenna is an absolutely mind boggling person with obviously a deep streak of real humanity within her which refused to be quashed, even though her entire life had been nothing but lies. More than any other, she continues to amaze me.

      I can’t get upset with Mike Rinder or even Marty. They’re both out of the organized mayhem and doing what they feel is right. whether I agree with that is not the point. Getting out that far is a huge undertaking. Thinking that they *should* do this or that…and judging them for NOT doing it…is not in my purview. Each of us walks the life we’re in, using whatever tools we have to hand. I honour and bless all who have had the major cog and walked away. I honour and bless all who have spoken out. I do not, however, condemn or disregard those who have not yet been able to do so. That will happen – or not – in its own good time. Pointing fingers at them is silly. A man far wiser than I once said, “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” Seems pretty good advice.

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        For those who are still believers in the ‘tech’, I think a process could be created that would give them the freedom to talk about the things that they have had to ignore. Something like:

        T.I.T.S.

        In scientology have you noticed something wrong?
        In scientology have you noticed something that was injust?
        In scientology have you noticed something that was unfair?
        In scientology have you noticed something that caused harm?
        In scientology have you noticed something that caused pain?
        in scientology have you noticed something that caused illness?
        In scientology have you noticed something was illegal?
        In scientology have you noticed something that was not moral?
        In scientology have you noticed something that made someone less?
        In scientology have you noticed something that made someone degraded?
        In scientology have you noticed something that seemed evil?
        In scientology have you noticed something that was uncalled for?

        Etc. Run until major cognition.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          B oy, that’s gonna take a Mountain of clay for them to get through. hahahaha
          T.I.T.S. ? Men are such boys.

          Only my husband noticed when the new beach bus rolled out, from Treasure Island. It was Treasure Island Transit Service. Hubby goes, “Look! It’s TITS”. But hey, he’s handy round the house.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            I knew someone was going to comment on that!

            T.I.T.S = This Is The Session

            That is the standard way to start a session, along with a bunch of other crap.

            • Kitz

              I decided on the pass this morning, as I wasn’t sure I really wanted to know…. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              hah. Oh my. I never got that.

            • DeElizabethan

              TITC= this is the comment! Geez, forgot about the Tits, OK!

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            Rich Kuhn was so random… We were going to some event in Los Feliz or Griffith park and as we drove by a woman was leaning over unlocking her sports car and Rich yelled:

            “Beaver shot!!!” The look on Paige’s face was priceless.

          • FistOfXenu

            Low hanging fruit – if you forgive the pun. You don’t really blame him for taking it do you? Last time I tried not to go there when it happened Mrs FOX just said “I don’t believe you aren’t interested any more”. And then she got my attention. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • FLUNK_101

    “what was intended to be a program to rehabilitate incorrectly RPFed staff … has been turned into the solution to everything”

    Isn’t that the problem with all of Scientology, Mr Rinder? Fraudulently representing itself as the answer to everything?

    • FistOfXenu

      But Flunk! Doesn’t Mr Rinder still think the sun was lit out of Hubbard’s farts and all Hubbard’s writings are laws of nature? Or has he moved beyond the statement on his web site “I have been a Scientologist all my life and have no intention of changing” ?

      • Poison Ivy

        Always makes me sad – Mike is such an intelligent man, writer and he also still has more than a vestige of that offbeat Aussie sense of humor as well.

        I simply do not get how intelligent people can still give Hubbard a pass (or really take seriously anything he ever “discovered” – aka “made up.”) There is so much empirical evidence of what kind of person Hubbard was, of his mental illness, of his cruelty and sadism and sociopathy.

        I guess it’s a study in denial. Some of the “tech” still works for such people – or so they choose to believe – therefore they must assume that the creator of the tech was brilliant.

        I’d posit that, if auditing or certain Scientology processes work for you, it still doesn’t excuse the fact that Hubbard had totally selfish, megalomaniacal, even sadist motives for everything he did. And that his kind of genius – much like Bernie Madoff and Ken Lay’s kind of genius – is best served behind bars where it can’t hurt hundreds to millions of people.

        • enoughofthissh…

          Yes PI. My sentiments exactly. I am an ex of 22 years in. I say EVERYTHING in scn is a FRAUD. I’m not pissed…

          • Sherbet

            Bravo, enoughofthissh. When you left, did you scrap it all, or did you hang onto any belief in the “tech” a la the indies?

            • enoughofthissh…

              No. My personal belief is as I stated above. I worked with a lot of people during my 22 years and I have not seen a single improvement on anybody because of the tech but I have witnessed enough brainwashing and abuse to last me for a few lifetimes… Nothing like the Campbells but just constant mental abuse and outright suppression. The reason I even stayed so long was that I did not have the means of escape and you can’t leave pacefully no matter what anybody says

            • Sherbet

              Thanks for sharing your story, enough.

        • FLUNK_101

          Nicely said, PI. It’s curious that Rinder still considers himself a Scientologist. Regardless of what he believes, I’d guess he still puts his pants on one leg at a time …

          • FistOfXenu

            But I like to imagine both MR’s stick their legs in the air every morning and shout “PANTS! GET ON! … THANK YOU!” expecting them to float across the bedroom and slide on by themselves.

            Maybe by now Marty the Quantum Guy Rathbun stands there for a bit wondering if the pants are on or not and if he should look to find out.

            • Poison Ivy

              “Marty the Quantum Guy Rathbun stands there for a bit wondering if the pants are on or not ”

              Oh you are a BAD BAD Fist, FOX! ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • FistOfXenu

              I’d KR myself but I’d never give me a fair trial.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              snorting pickles here

            • ze moo

              Schrodinger’s dungarees??

            • BuryTheNuts2

              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ LOVES!!!

            • FistOfXenu

              Exactly!

            • Andrew Robertson

              Don’t be mean to Marty, Fist of Xenu. In quantum mechanics the relative location of his trousers with respect to his legs is a probabilistic measurement that would appear random and indeterministic to an observer.

              Or to put it simply, for each eigenvalue there are one or more corresponding eigenvectors corresponding to the eigenvalue result of the measurement. If the eigenvalue determined from the measurement corresponds to more than one eigenstate, instead of being in a definite state, the system is in a sub-space of the measurement operator corresponding to all the states having that eigenvalue.

              I hope this clarifies the issue.

              Andrew

            • FistOfXenu

              Don’t tell me. I don’t stand around every morning wondering if I’m naked. Unless I’m real hung over from the night before. Tell Marty.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              you’re on a roll, today. Fox

            • FLUNK_101

              It’s the trouser uncertainty principle.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I have no idea what you just said.. But because I imagine you sound like Alan Rickman, I could listen to you saying it all day..

            • Robert Eckert

              Unlike Marty, Andrew was using the terminology in a correct manner.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            A funny thing: One of the astronauts on SkyLab flipped out their pants in zero-g and slid both legs into them at once. He broke out laughing, realizing he was the exception to that old adage.

      • FLUNK_101

        “the sun was lit out of Hubbard’s farts”

        Dang! Sounds like you just finished OT VIII!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        “incorrectly RPFed staff” …. I am going to refrain from typing what I want to say

        • FistOfXenu

          Yup. Loon Ron Humbug believed in RPF since he created it. He just liked to say “incorrectly” when he needed to sound compassionate.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            no, that’s a Rinder spin. arghhhh (I need better sound effects. pirate sounds)

            • FistOfXenu

              WHAT’S a Rinder spin? That LRH created RPF? No, He really did and that’s too well documented to argue. Or do you mean that LRH pretended to be compassionate by saying “incorrectly” about the people assigned to RPF? How is that wrong? You don’t really think LRH was sorry for the people put on RPF do you? If he was sorry he’d’ve taken them off again.

              So I don’t understand.

      • DeElizabethan

        Maybe he’s privy to some information that the church will be taken over, changed and he wants to remain a high member. Or he is hoping for such to occur? The title of being a scientologist is represented only in the bubble world. It will Never make it in the real world anymore.

  • pronoia

    There has been a lot of talk lately, what with the release of the new movie about Hannah Arendt and Eichman’s trial in Israel, about evil and the banal. The juxtaposition between the insane torture endured by the Campbell’s and the borrrrrimg and cartoonish super power rundowns is the essence of lol that scientology is.

    Obviously the Campbell’s have recovered enough to laugh and to speak out. But I know that the price that they have both paid ffor their time in scientology can never be shown on a few video interviews. And yet what we do see is beyond horrifying. And their ability to tell it as they do is a testament to their bravery and decency.

    • Poison Ivy

      What is that movie, Pronoia? Want to see.

      • Andrew Robertson

        ‘The Woman Who Saw Banality in Evil’

        http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/26/movies/hannah-arendt-directed-by-margarethe-von-trotta.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

        […]

        Fifty years ago, a small book called โ€œEichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banality of Evil,โ€ by a New School philosophy professor named Hannah Arendt set off a storm like few books before or since. Among Upper West Side intellectuals it sparked, as the critic Irving Howe put it, โ€œa civil war,โ€ siring vicious debates and souring lifelong friendships. It also sold more than 100,000 copies and reshaped the way people have thought about the Holocaust, genocide and the puzzle of evil ever since.

        […]

        Andrew

        • Poison Ivy

          I’ve read passages and quotes of hers but I never read the whole book. On the essentials list it goes.

      • pronoia

        Called Hannah Arendt!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      There’s a good fiction book that touches on this subject, Fatherland, by Robert Harris. It is set in an “alternate” Berlin in 1964, twenty years after Germany won World War II. It’s a murder mystery that eventually touches on larger themes, but what gives it a shivery atmosphere is the way that so many things we “know” are evil are glossed over– that the victors have truly written the history and made evil as banal as can be.

      • ze moo

        That became a very good movie with Rutger Hauer.

        • Captain Howdy

          I started watching it on youtube and stopped. I’m going to go back and find it. There is also a mockumentry about what it would be like if the South had won the war.

          http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0389828/

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I much prefer the book.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That is why it has been So frustrating for so long when media would only cover Tom Cruise or John Travolta and there Might be a few jokes about aliens or emeters. At the same, people like Scott Campbell and thousands more were going unreported. Again, that is why I cheered when the Katie Holmes Great Escape Caper hit and suddenly the dam burst and there were stories of disconnection, prison camps, child labor, interrogations, harrassment, and all of it.

  • Missionary Kid

    The undeserved treatment of people whose intentions are benign towards the {church} makes me very angry, and that is on top of the anger that anyone is treated that way.

    $cientology=horror.

  • Sherbet

    I’m concerned about the effect this will have on the Garcias’ lawsuit. cos will claim they’re being tried “in the court of public opinion” and couldn’t get a fair hearing.

    • Missionary Kid

      $cientology wouldn’t want to call attention to this video. If they do, they’re stupid, because then this becomes a part of the court record.

      I’d love it if they would.

      • Sherbet

        I hadn’t thought of that, Kid. This is why I’m not a lawyer.

        • Missionary Kid

          I’m not either, but that’s why I believe they won’t try to object to it.

  • Mark

    Tried to read Koons’ truly Stakhanovite regurgitation of the ‘Superpower’ dreck yesterday (some kind soul put a link to it up here in comments then), but, beyond seeing that the vast majority of it was the same-old-same-old repeated yet again, the only lasting impression I retain is of the first page: a globe over what looks to be an upended infinity-symbol made of a Moebius strip (or it could just be a fancy ‘8’).

    I can think of better symbols: David Miscavige disappearing head-first up his own backside comes to mind (cue for everyone to post that picture again?)

    If this repetitious rubbish is really the best that the ‘COB’ can come up with to keep his victims and dupes gasping for more, what a poor, dull thing Miscavige’s tiny mind must be. The well (no, cesspit) of Hubbard has truly run dry at last, and Miscavige become ‘Lackwit Wrong Dullard’.

    My admiration for Scott and Karry continues to rise – notable that the normal twinkle in Scott’s eyes vanished just for a second or two when describing how the Co$ security goons tried to persuade him to commit suicide. Truly horrifying.

    I was moaning before about Karen hanging the Campbell’s story out over too many episodes, but she, AGP and J. Swift are really proving what good journalists they are by deferring the denouement. Well done!

    • FistOfXenu

      A Moebius strip is appropriate don’t you think? The way I learned it if you could get ants marching around on it they could go around the whole thing over and over forever because it only has 1 side. You just keep doing the same thing over and over. Just like Para$citology, right?

      And I’d hate to disappoint a fellow Bunkerite:

      • Mark

        And only one edge. I’ve just remembered the Klein Bottle, an even more suitable logo for the COB:

        • 0tessa

          Is this an oesophagus?

          • Mark

            It looks a bit like a fig trying to eat itself to me, but according to Wikipedia (where I got the piccy) if you cut a Klein bottle in half symmetrically, you get two Moebius strips.

      • Bella Legosi

        Wow…..that image makes me feel dirty and not in the good dirty either!

        • FistOfXenu

          Now imagine that head 6″ away from your face shouting obscenities at you and whining how he has to do every thing himself.

          • Bella Legosi

            Imagine the smiling mug shot of Bella totally thinking the 1st degree assault charge on a “religious” leader was worth it!

            Thou shalt not fuck with those who have PTSD. They can become rather…….enturbulated with a penchant for fight or flight violence!

            • FistOfXenu

              If somebody like a warrior hero was watching DM brutalize yet another cultist and decided enough was enough, he could’ve done that for you and he wouldn’t even need PTSD.

            • Bella Legosi

              Honestly I think many of those who have been at the mercy of Little Boots prolly already has PTSD.

            • FistOfXenu

              I think you’re probably right but I was thinking of that {fearless explorer of the frontiers of human courageness and nobilityness and heroness, the warrior of Para$citology. How could some body so fearless and brave and mighty have PTSD?}

              Excuse me. I gotta go puke.

      • Captain Howdy

        FOX, you sure love that picture.

        • Sherbet

          Well, that’s ONE person…

        • FistOfXenu

          Funny thing, I don’t really. Just responding to what I understood was an invitation or maybe a request. And to me it sums up DM and Para$citology perfectly. Loon Ron designed some thing that turns his followers in on themselves so completely that no thing matters to them. They’re absorbed in themselves and every thing else could not exist for all they care. Families friends and every damn thing else vanishes. He turned being an introvert into a fake religion that’s really a kind of mental illness. What better picture of that can there be? And about DM, well, he’s the emperor of $ci-introvertology so he’s naked. No Shrodinger’s clothes for him. And this pic shows us why he can’t see he is.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Lol..

      • Robert Eckert
        • FistOfXenu

          Yup. Like that.

  • sugarplumfairy

    Aaaaggghhhh !

    Dr. Megan Shields.. Unfrkingbelievable.. Screw “Primum non nocere..” I’m incensed.. And she’s still frking practicing!! Of course she is.. Probably making money hand over fist.. And tithing her sacred church of Profit and Human Bondage.. The College of William and Mary should rescind her degree.. And she needs smacked, bad…..

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Can I help, please? Why people like her on not in jail…

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Did you know she was at flag during Lisa McPherson’s {“introspection rundown”} baby watch, where Lisa died? It’s in the transcripts of the Police interviews.

        The shore story given to the police was that she was “giving physicals to the class XII auditors” at flag. That is complete fantasy. I have never heard any sea org member whatsoever getting a physical examination unless they were really sick, at the doctor’s for treatment.

        My personal opinion is that DM sent her to scope out Lisa when it really started to go south.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I did not know that. Giving physicals to Class XII auditors……hahahaha. Yeah, like that ever happened. And those were very ill and did get $ approved through Finance Committee and actually saw a doctor, we know what they were prescribed, right?

          Do you remember how long that “routing form” was to get to see a medical officer and I’m not talking about a real doctor even, just whoever was posted as a medical officer (remember Jenna was posted as one as a child?!). There were so many personnel you had to see, plus you had to do your ethics, you had to prove yourself “worthy” to finance people and there was rarely money for it, so you had to come up with your own, and then your senior had to give you time off your post, and you had to write up How you were somehow going to make up the time you lost. Now actually getting to a doctor outside of the org could take forever.

          And if you managed All this trauma and drama, you were told to take cal mag, get touch assists, maybe a chiropractor would crack something, told to buy some of their overpriced supplements and green liquid ick which you couldn’t afford and then when you crawled back to the org you were given shit for being off post anyway.

          And for those lazy outethics staff who had emergencies, they had to go to free hospitals for emergencies which the tax payers wound up paying. So yeah, that’s a ludicrous statement about giving physicals. !

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            I had an accident, I smashed my nose into some furniture while catching some full welding tanks that were falling over.

            It felt broken, so Pam Busilink (?)(later loehing), drove me to county where they x-rayed it and patched it up. The {church} didn’t pay. I couldn’t pay anything. Years later I tried to pay it off but county just sent my check back, saying they couldn’t find the record.

            • Missionary Kid

              Great health care plan, huh? No coverage for “employees.” I’m sorry, but that just pisses me off.

            • DeElizabethan

              It’s a wonder you didn’t get sent to ethics or RPF for being PTS, you were lucky huh?
              { we know you made them fall over}

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              I also had a PTS interview.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Had to run off to find the quote:

              “The redefinition of words is done by associating different emotions and symbols with the word than were intended… Scientologist are redefining “doctor”, “Psychiatry” and
              “psychology” to mean “undesirable antisocial elements”… — L. Ron Hubbard, in HCO PL 5
              October 1971: “Propaganda by Redefinition of Words”

              And for those who still promote Narconon/Purif quackery, or putting children through saunas or sec checking them if they get ill or those who are Still Promoting auditing to help cure cancer, or lying about all the injuries, harm, and deaths, you will Never silence us, never again. You can call us names, you can do whatever, but we are not going to lie for you, never again. There are so many more than on this list who have died. Besides what went on in the orgs, the scientologist medical people that did Not get them proper medical care, including psychiatric, are imo complicit as can be.

              This is part of the abuse and crimes that needs to End Now. And if Miscavige is crazy enough to open up the Super Power, you can bet that if they need an okay from a doctor, it will be scientologist doctors, chiropractors, D. O’s and they will Get them and there will be more names added to the list:

              http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirrors/www.whyaretheydead.net/

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              Made me cry a bit there, Hole. Said well.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Sorry…here, have a grilled cheese sammich and tomato soup.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              that helps. thanks. got a cup of clam chowder instead?

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              See Bury for that.

            • DeElizabethan

              This calls for an appropriate, Hear, hear!

  • Victoria Pandora

    That is simply heartbreaking to see the light go completely out of Scotts eyes when recounting how the S.O. tried to make him jump off the building. Frankly, I am surprised they didn’t push him.I am so sorry this happened to them.
    A little 14year old Sea Org cadet told me she found a dead body in the Cedars when they first bought it and she was assigned to cleanup. It sounds unbelievable, but she was dead serious about it:/

    • BuryTheNuts2

      These videos with Scott are making me physically ill.
      I wonder how much they damaged him cognitively with all of those drugs?
      That Megan Shields woman needs to be in freaking jail!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Now you know why I use puke words and spit a lot when I talk about the scientology “doctors”. They saw the abuse over and over and over and never once reported a single incident.
        They were criminals in my eyes then and they are criminals in my eyes today.

        Just an opinion of one who suffers today because of their inaction and utter lack of integrity and humanity.

      • TheWidowDenk

        BTN – A brief comment in defense of Dr Shields. Never mind the high school and college education. Never mind the four or more years of medical school. Never mind the three or more years of internship and residency. In my experience, a well-educated/trained doctor is low man on the totem pole in the organization. Rachel

        • Captain Howdy

          Rachel, don’t doctors take something called the “Hippocratic Oath”? it seems to me that Dr. Denk and Dr. Shields kind of threw that out the window after they joined the scientology.

          • TheWidowDenk

            Yes, the “Hippocratic Oath.” “The Hippocratic Oath is an oath historically taken by physicians and other healthcare professionals swearing to practice medicine honestly.”
            Let’s say Dr Shields, as the doctor on call, got a call about Scott Campbell stating he wanted to jump off the roof of Lebanon Hall and a prescription was needed to calm him down. Dr Shields may prescribe medicine or extend the prescription of medicine he may have already been on. Obviously we know by now that Scott did not wish to jump off the roof. However, that information could have been relayed to Dr Shields. Dr Shields would dutifully have prescribed. Someone gave me a down arrow already, so with this comment I’ll bow out. I thought we could have an intelligent discussion … but I guess not.

            • Captain Howdy

              Well, I didn’t down vote you and I appreciate your response. I know it can’t be easy coming in here, believing what you believe, and you being who you are. The thing of it is though based on what I’ve read, Dr Denk’s and Dr Sheild’s first loyalties were to LRH and CofS, and not to the oath they had taken as doctors.

            • DeElizabethan

              I would go along with that also about loyalties, and who knows.
              Very Sad to see TWD not continue to discuss because of a down vote.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              it’s not about a down vote. It’s because she can’t handle the truth. I understand it is too much, I really do. I think some need a long journey with professional psychiatric treatment to get to that point at all. I understand it. But to come here knowing that many of the victims of these medical personnel are here and make excuses and expecting to have her justifications accepted is delusional at best. She leaves snapping an insult out and hoping we are hurt. I suggest she gets a real cushy lounger with training wheels. Long, long journey ahead.

            • DeElizabethan

              Gottcha! Had thought there might be more. Sad condition to stay in and hope things change with her.

            • TheWidowDenk

              My apologies. I’m not the least bit interested in argumentative comments. When I received the down vote to what I felt was a good comment, I could see argument heading my way. And, it did as became quite apparent. Carry on with what you do best.

            • Jon Hendry

              “Dr Shields may prescribe medicine or extend the prescription of medicine he may have already been on.”

              This isn’t the full range of options truly available to a physician truly concerned about a person’s well-being. A physician truly concerned about a person’s well-being would want to interact directly with the person, not take a third party’s word for it. And in an emergency, would call for outside help, because their concern would be to help the person in crisis, not shield the organization from outside scrutiny.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Something about “Never do Harm” is screaming at me loudly!

    • Sidney18511

      VP….the ame thing went through my mind about them PUSHING him off the roof. Shivers.

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      I never saw the dead body. I did hear about the unattached head that was left in the morgue. This was a few days after the EPF moved into the cedars property to start renovations. There was all sorts of left behind medical equipment, pills and stuff all around. Vandals and street people had gotten in during the time it had been closed up and had strewn stuff around.

      The morgue was in the basement under the Lebanon Hall and ASHO area. Typical stainless steel lockers and tables and stuff. Evidently the head was found back in one of the lockers.

      The morgue was where some of the only working showers were, so it for some crazy reason, was designated as the showers, IIRC, for the female EPF members. I never used it.

      It was seriously creepy to be down in the morgue area, especially alone. It and some other areas I think were ‘haunted’ if there is such a thing as haunting. Definitely a feeling of dread and ‘do not enter’.

      Also left in the ‘radiation therapy’ area which was the bottom floor of the east ‘wing’ of the main building, cedars had left some huge X-ray machines and even a radioactive cobalt treatment machine straight out of the 50s. Big green thing with a HUGE lead counterweight and massive head with lead shutters. The cobalt source was gone, it had been inside this rotating lead cylinder in the head and the corrosion from the radiation showed on the inside of it and the lead shutters.

      A bunch of EPFers spend DAYS melting the lead out of the head and counterweight into cans and stuff so it could be sold to a scrap yard. They wouldn’t take the thing as is, and might even have been too heavy to move. I really don’t know if they told the scrap yard where the lead had come from or about any possible irradiated by-products.

      Another thing was about 24 pounds of picric acid in jars that were found down in the morgue. Evidently it is a good way to clean body fluid build-up out of the morgue drains. Anyway two cases of it were found, that had been there probably for years. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was probably more cases down there that got sealed up in the walls during the endless renovations. Too bad because that stuff is high explosive and sensitive to shock when it gets below 20% moisture content.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Lunch time!

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          {fava beans?}

          • FistOfXenu

            Sure, with a nice chianti.

      • Captain Howdy

        Decrepit Cedars Sinai sounds as much fun as deserted Danvers State Hospital was. Cool.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danvers_State_Hospital

        • Sherbet

          Did you ever visit it, Howdy? I was never inside, but it was neat to drive around the place. Now it’s all shiny and bright with the ghosts exorcised, presumably.

          • Captain Howdy

            I saw it but never went inside My wife and her friends use to hang out there when they were teenagers and she told me all kinds of wild stories. You do know it’s considered one of the 10 Scariest Places on the Planet.? Or it was considering most of it was torn down/burnt down from what i understand. Too bad.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I saw a little bit of that, Cap’n, and it Did remind so much of the Big Blue that I had to stop watching it. I knew the nightmares would return if I didn’t.

          • Captain Howdy

            If you were to find ghosts and demons anywhere, Danvers was the place.

        • sugarplumfairy

          Reminds me of Miscavige Hospital for the Criminally Insane.. “have you ever been to Miscavige, John? It makes Ferncliff look like a five star resort..”

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdD40JSNmLI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

          • Captain Howdy

            Hah Hah! I remember when you brought that up. No way was that a coincidence.

            • sugarplumfairy

              No way is right.. One of those writers is a watcher..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              and ABC was playing chicken while other networks were covering Miscavige’s footbullets.
              http://i44.tinypic.com/8ychoy.jpg

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        God, if I had come in a year early, I would have missed All the fun. Damn, if This had been my EPF project, I would have been out of there in a day. Did you know that later, the morgue area was ASHO’s staff study area? For some reason, it was always hard to get staff to be there. That whole basement area, the tunnels, would give anyone the creepy crawlies.

        I’m imagining some day they will give Tours of the Tunnels, and the RPF prison camps, part of some history/museum event.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          It was creepy. Not to get to “woo-woo” here, but I remember working up on the 7th floor Main, in an old operating room, and feeling something PUSH me while I was on a ladder.

          And when we first were there, the 7th seemed very dark, even with all the lights on. You just didn’t want to go in there.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Yes, many areas that were dark even with the lights on. And as to what pushed you I can think of two things:
            1) Sudden drafts in that building were not uncommon, especially near the elevator.
            or
            2) Your survival instincts were flexing a dormant muscle.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Could be something like that. Or just a moment of losing my balance.

  • Vistaril

    The Super Power Rundowns were intended for all Scientologists, not just run-down staff and Sea Org members. This is confirmed in LRH ED 301 INT, Ronโ€™s Journal 30, 1978 โ€” The Year of Lightning Fast New Tech, where L Ron Hubbard told his flock:

    SUPER POWER. A Super fantastic, but confidential series of Rundowns that can be done on anyone whether Dianetic Clear or not that puts the person into fantastic shape unleashing the Super Power of a Thetan. This is the means that puts Scientologists into a new realm of ability enabling them to create the New World. It puts world Clearing within reach in the future. This is a parallel Rundown to Power in Saint Hills which is taken by the Dianetic Clear. It consists of 12 separate high-power rundowns which are brand new and enter realms of the tech never before approached. Power is still very much in use on the Grade Chart but is for those who didnโ€™t go Clear on Dianetics. Super Power will be delivered at Saint Hills within the next 6 weeks as we are right now super grooming in the Super Power auditors in a special International course. It will be delivered in almost all languages.

    Now, why would the Indies was to obfuscate on this fact and the equally obvious fact that L Ron Hubbard was not only well aware of what was going on in his cult but was fully responsible for it?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I am going with “Daddy” issues and a bad case of denial.

      But then, I have only had two cups of coffee….

      • DeElizabethan

        Instead of Daddy issue I’m going to family, friends. I never did like the persona of Liar Hubbard from the beginning. Not sure if this is what you meant but I get a pass cause of my hangover.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          You get a pass. We were talking about indies who still suck on the hubbard teat.

          • DeElizabethan

            LOL! Thanks for the pass! You certainly have a way with words and pic’s they make. Still laughing…

    • FistOfXenu

      “Super Power will be delivered at Saint Hills within the next 6 weeks as we are right now super grooming in the Super Power auditors in a special International course”

      Next 6 wks? And super grooming? What’s that? $50 hair cuts and Italian suits? Don’t remember seeing many of that kind of cultist back in 1978.

      1 more thing, why would people go for Diarrheatic Clear and then Power rundown when they could just do Super Power? They’d save money skipping Diarrheatic Clear, wouldn’t they? Plus the Super Power rundowns “enter realms of the tech never before approached” so they’d be better right? Looks to me like Loon Ron Humpback was pulling this stuff out of his ass so fast he wasn’t even worried about being obvious about it. That’s the trouble with horseshit. Lumpy and inconsistent and it still stinks.

      • Sherbet

        Nix on the $50 hair cuts. Barbering by Super Cuts, of course, silly.

      • Vistaril

        You have to remember what was going on in 1978. Jason Beghe was not the first Scientologist to demand “show me the mother-fucking Clear”, Scientologists had been asking the same question (perhaps sans the adjective) for decades prior . . . and guess what, L Ron Hubbard found them all, they had been under his nose all the time!

        From the same LRH ED 301 INT:

        DIANETIC CLEARS. Undoubtedly the BIG news that resounded around the world in โ€˜78 was the huge numbers of people who were discovered to have made Dianetic Clear. In 1950 and on, people used to ask โ€œWhere are all the Clears?โ€ Well, they were right there! In 1978 I discovered that it was deadly to go on running Dianetics on a Dianetic Clear. Such gave the semblance of no case gain! (Naturally.) So when I announced that running Dianetics on a Dianetic Clear was forbidden, people began to look around and lo and behold they had been making Clears with Dianetics and had been going right on by it! The pc who had made it wasnโ€™t declared Clear and further Dianetics didnโ€™t work on him (naturally). So in 1978, after my announcement, auditors began to check and listen to the pc and found they had real Clears all over the place!

        Of course, you guessed it, the sudden discovery of all these Clears was just a money grab because these suckers could now be fed into the Hubbard-owned processing centres for the Super Power RD and OT levels, rather than dilly-dallying around in the franchises which only passed up a percentage of the fees. Now, with all these suddenly-discovered Clears, L Ron Hubbard could claim the full 100 percent.

        Its little things like this, I suspect, the Indies would rather the world forget. Well, that plus continue with their efforts to rehabilitate L Ron Hubbard by rewriting history so as to sheet home full blame for the abuses to David Miscavige. Whether its Scientology cult-style or Indie style, it still involves lies.

        • FistOfXenu

          Thanks Vistaril.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          This lured me back into the sea org. I had left in ’78 during the 49day ’30 hours on and 3 off” renovation schedule they had the RPF and EPF doing on the AOLA renovations. I refused and left.

          So I was in Idaho and Paige Kuhn (Becker, Kemper) who was the C/S for Estates (which was the part that EPF fell into), wrote me and said she had reviewed my folders and thought I might be clear per the Dianetic clear bulletin. She said it might be that that caused all my ‘case’ trouble when I had been in the S.O.

          So, I quit my job and hitchhiked back to L.A. and joined the sea org for the second time.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            OY VEY!

            • FLUNK_101

              Here we are, kvetching about Schlientology, but now I’m just kvelling and kvelling that you’re speaking Yiddish … even though you are a shiksa.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              She’s a foodie, so she is entitled to use the yidish. That counts.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Houston….we have a problem……….

              Edit: I had to google kvelling, because I am a shiksa!

          • DeElizabethan

            If there had been an indie group then and you looked into it, do you think you would’ve gone back?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              What a great question Dee!

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Maybe. While I was in Idaho I read part of Robert Kaufman’s book “Inside Scientology”. I stopped when he got to the OT III chapter because I was terrified of getting sick. I think I was following up on what I tried to find in San Francisco Public Library. That is, a book about scientology, not from scientology.

              That didn’t inoculate me.

              I wasn’t aware of an Indie group then. I most likely would have rejected it because I had bought into KSW very deeply.

        • Peter

          “auditors began to check and listen to the pc…” You mean they *hadn’t* been listening to the pc??? Then what the hell was auditing all about? ROFL

          • Vistaril

            What Auditing has always been about:

            1) Using the stage-prop e-meter to “prove” the existence of Engrams and create “agreement” with things like the “whole track”,

            2) The subtle use of hypnotic-like practises to
            – i: obtain personal secrets for subsequent blackmail, and to
            – ii: manufacture euphoria, in which state

            3) Scientologists are made to pay for more Scientology, or

            4) Psychologically fucked up to reduce future problems

            Quite a slick little scam, really. Requires a lot of planning, though. There’s big overheads and much tactical maneuvering in promoting fraudulent activities, corrupting justice, usurping politicians, and silencing legitimate dissent. Just as well L Ron Hubbard wrote the manual scripture on how to do it.

          • grundoon

            Notice Hubbard’s clever way of blaming the auditors for his “tech” not working.

        • Phil McKraken

          “In 1978 I discovered that it was deadly to go on running Dianetics on a Dianetic Clear.”

          Uh, W.T.F.? Dear L Ron Nutjob, when you say that you discovered that it was deadly, what exactly are you saying? Did someone die from too much Dianetics? You can’t just say it was deadly without showing us the bodies. Worst regards, Phil McK.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      No, not for all scientologists! The only public it was for were those who were Dianetic Clears and they couldn’t then do the regular Power and Power Plus auditing. Those Clears felt “left out and missing something”, so Hubbard included Dianetic Clear public could do the Super Power when it came out. Otherwise, it was strictly for Nearly Dead staff so they could get their lazy butts out of bed and produce Moar Money. Hubbard even came out with an issue about you shouldn’t need more than 3 or 4 hours of sleep, 3 I think i was. Needing more than that meant something bad, I forget if it was out ethics, or too banky or what.

      • Vistaril

        As always, I bow to the knowledge of those who were there and have freed themselves of the mind fuck. In this case, how do you would you please be kind enough to explain what L Ron Hubbard meant when he said (as above):

        SUPER POWER. A Super fantastic, but confidential series of Rundowns that
        can be done on anyone
        whether Dianetic Clear or not that puts the person into fantastic shape unleashing the Super Power of a Thetan.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I threw all my “stuff” away long ago. But there were lots of questions about this and a lot of confusion. “Anyone” meant for staff no matter where they were on the bridge and whether they were Dianetic Clear or not. Later there was More confusion about staff who were OT3 above who could do it, but then there was sudden silence on the subject. I suspect Miscavige Somewhere along the line went back and “modified” Hubbard’s issues about Super Power, like he did with so many other pieces. He Had to in order to make this available for All public. It was Never intended that way and what was originally written. I think those public back then that were Dianetic Clear were really buzzing about getting Super Powered and the OT’s grumbled about it and Wah Lah! Miscavige saw his Golden opportunity and just Made It So. He has changed So much at this point which is yet another reason why he gets rid of old timers.

          Later, news came that staff had new requirements because they were just too dumb and couldn’t learn, so Helpful HubBard (or someone else, not sure about this one) came up with Key to Life and LOC. Oh brother, now there had to be staff yanked out to learn how to deliver it and then the processes themselves went on forever! It was a mess.

          I did hear that Miscavige is now blowing a horn for his New Improved Student Hat and a mysterious new study “learning aid”? and under GAT II, everyone has to do this new study course as yet another requirement for Super Power.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            They already tried disguising the e-meter as a study tool for secular schools. It was called the “learning accelerator” and was just a re-packaged e-meter. Likely it didn’t have the FDA warning label. I never saw it get much use, but it was in some of the scn based schools.

          • Vistaril

            I’m not convinced that “anyone” refers only to “staff” because the ED was issued to “ALL PUBLIC”. plus everything that was going on around the cult and L Ron Hubbard at that time. The copy I have is a scan of the document from 1979, a time when L Ron Hubbard was all over the tech and PR. Miscavige may well have gone back and altered related documents subsequently, but he wouldn’t have got away with it prior to, say, 1984. Certainly not an actual Ron’s Journal. IMHO.

            Accordingly, and with respect, DOX PLOX. Its not that I doubt you personally, its just that if I am going to resile from my current position and repeat what you have told me, I too will be asked for DOX. As it happens, I am actually very pleased to have possibly learned something new and be in a position to reconsider, so thank you.

            Yeah, that certainly was a confusing time for Scientologists. As his increasingly bizarre and unsustainable statements mounted, I can well understand why it became imperative the old hands be disposed of quietly and without sorrow. David Mayo talks about the confusion at the time in his article in the first issue of International Viewpoints. Although still befuddled with the L Ron Hubbard mindfuck, he came to the conclusion:

            . . . We can say that the purpose of auditing is to clear aberrations and that if all aberrations were cleared, a “state of clear” would be attained. The concept of “clear” is useful as an ultimate goal, like the goal of perfect happiness or of perfect anything. It is a direction in which to continue to progress. It is not an attainable state (at least given our present level of technology) . . .

            I wonder sometimes just how many different types of Clear L Ron Hubbard managed to invent. My list, so far, includes: Clear, Natural Clear, Past Life Clear, Dianetics Clear, and Keyed Out Clear. Of course, for Scientology to flourish and prosper with queues of people lining around the block waiting to get in, proof of just one would do.

            : )

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I threw Everything out. I believe your 1979 document Is correct and that’s why there was a lot of confusion about it. During the 80’s, who knows. From what I have since read, he was either under the influence or having bouts of illness. But when I left, it was established that staff and Dianetic clears would get the rundowns. But the thing was, Most public were assumed to be going the route of Dianetic clear because it was being pushed so much. I only remember the OT’s (and I was one of them by then) were inquiring about it. I don’t remember at all if there was any answer before I left.I don’t remember exactly how many years later when I started getting mail about Super Power Building Fundraiser and it was clearly being marketed to the public. I was really surprised. Oh yeah, all those types of Clears! It sure helped “unstick the customer flows” and money. Boy did it ever!

              So I guess the answer is like everything else in scientology: It depends on what month of what year and what org and what country you were in at the time. But honestly, mid 80’s we were told Dn Clears and staff. I was an exec (for a short time) by then and I had to know these things to tell both staff and public. Wow, this is really going to be something if he opens those doors.

            • Vistaril

              Again, thank you. The OG have so much to offer, I hope you’ve written it all down somewhere. Shame about the DOX, but well understood. I can imagine – and have read stories confirming it – that shedding oneself of the physical aspects of the Scientology experience can be, if not cathartic, then at least a leap towards healing oneself of it.

              Love your comments. MOAR.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              I talk too much as it is.

            • sugarplumfairy

              No, you don’t ..

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Okay, I had to go on a search. I think I got some sort out, at least for myself. I had a bit of timing off, as to when I got in. I was in between two RPF periods. But I Do remember the issue you quoted. I couldn’t find an issue I was thinking of, but one of the former staff, SSO actually, was commenting over at Rinder’s place. She mentioned the WOC issue (World out of Comm) and that was an SO ED. These were Sea Org staff issue only and I saw those regularly. I remember the Main problem was Hubbard didn’t realize how public would react. The regges were honest to go drooling like wild mongrels, scratching at the window, wanting to get prices and a whole package smashed together that included X number of intenstives for set ups and requirements. But more than likely all the I read about came from FO’s and SO ED’s (Sea Org Executive Directives).

              There was the whole New World Corp era that failed and later the evolution of Universe Corp that failed. So some time After that early 78′ issue, some time between 80 and 83 latest, there were staff issues about getting staff through it but there were problems with training auditors. So the Dianetic Clears, I forget what other gimmick Hub or whoever came up with so they could continue on the OT levels. I remember thinking at the time that public didn’t understand the basic point of these rundowns. These were undercuts for people who couldn’t make the grade on the regular bridge actions. I think the initial hype came from Hubbard talking about reviving the dead. But then he did the same spin on other bridge actions.

              Super Power was, in essence, for Losers (at least in Hubbard’s eyes) who couldn’t think, couldn’t learn, bottom of the barrel, out ethics scumbuckets! I laugh when I hear how the hype has morphed into SuperMan status.

        • sugarplumfairy

          “Super fantastic”

          Who writes this crap? I swear he had his 13-year-old Girl slaves doing his writing for him..

  • FLUNK_101

    I wish Hubbard were alive today … it would be worth it just to hear what he has to say about people like Tony Ortega … I’m sure he come up with some kind of “whole track incident”… Ortegans, from Ortega, capital city of the psych planet!

  • AnonymousSP

    I wonder what Kirstie Alley thinks about all this? As a Founder she’s already given (a minimum) of $250,000… Kirstie? Kirstie?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      You are implying that Kirstie thinks?

      • Sherbet

        Kirstie probably bought in because she thought she’d finally conquer her weight and smoking demons, that she’d be purified and in control of negative influences. I’m serious. Who wouldn’t pay for the ultimate magical makeover if they seriously believed in it?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Plastic Surgery and good Psychiatrist is way cheaper than this shit!

          • Sherbet

            It hasn’t worked for her yet!

    • Sidney18511

      Anon…..I highly doubt that Kirstie will ever read what Dan has written. Entheta, ya know.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        But you can bet that word is going to get out on the streets that Super Power is just bits and pieces of lower level crap with Running around a Pole thrown in.

        • Sidney18511

          THDNE…..I hope your right. THAT, would be a wonderful, wonderful thing.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            It has always been a Super Hot Button with both staff and public. Come to think of it, I wonder if this is the reason why Miscavige seems to have a hard time keeping staff that get trained on these rundowns? I can imagine how disappointed they must be. I’ll bet they have a 4 foot high stack of gag orders to sign too. I can also imagine they would be too terrified to speak.

            But this is different. Any news, leaked or gossiped, about Super Power can’t be muffled. Too hot. We shall see.

  • Captain Howdy

    So the Indies are pissed because D.M is trying to sell stupor powers for big bucks, but they’re not pissed that the whole thing is a bunch of Hubbard hornswoggle to begin with?

    That really puts me in a condition of “Sympathy” for all involved.

    • Poison Ivy

      “Sympathy” is the condition of a Degraded Being (much like “Compassion”, “Empathy”, “Love”, “Forgiveness” etc.)

      OTVIIIisGrrr8! will be sending you to the RPF for that, Captain!

      • Captain Howdy

        I didn’t think there was a condition for sympathy. What i was trying to say is that i think these idiots deserve each other.

        • Poison Ivy

          I should have used the {} font.

          • Captain Howdy

            Why? You were right. I should have double checked like i usually do.

            • Poison Ivy

              Love you Cap’n!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        You all are being to worry me. You know this stuff too well.

        • Observer

          Impossible! We can’t possibly know anything about it if we haven’t tried it!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Damn. Sending myself to Qual now.

    • Sherbet

      Somebody said the Indie movement is the half-way house out of cos. With courage and a big infusion of honesty, indies may make it all the way out eventually.

      • FistOfXenu

        As long as some new snake oil sales man doesn’t come along and validate staying stuck half way. Like maybe with fake quantum physics or some thing? Just saying.

        • Sherbet

          Some warrior, Fist?

          • FistOfXenu

            Could be… all that {heroism and wisdom} has to be attractive to the abused and dispossessed. At least some times.

            • Sherbet

              A guy’s gotta make a living. Not everyone in scientology can survive by trading blunts for rent income.

            • FistOfXenu

              So why doesn’t he just start a more reputable business? Like being a hit man for the mob or training debt collectors for loan sharks?

            • Sherbet

              Too, too dangerous. Operating a “squirrelled” emeter at the kitchen table is a no-brainer, and he can make his own hours.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              A Warriors daily checklist:

              Rusty soup cans, check.
              Old T-shirt, check.
              Too short, gym teacher shorts, check.
              Mad-libs booklet, check.
              A few frosty brews, check.
              A few suckers waiting for my wisdom, check.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Bam!

          • Phil McKraken

            Yeah, a warrior riding a carrier wave into battle.

            • FistOfXenu

              LOL. Extra up votes for that 1, Phil.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Another thing of beauty. This Super Power rundown is working it’s magic on the Bunkerites today!

      • Poison Ivy

        I think they still serve an important function, and who cares who believes what, if and when it isn’t hurting or oppressing or causing harm to anyone else?

        I try and put myself in their shoes (empathy, another very anti-Scientology thing to do) and ask myself, “What if everything I had ever believed in, trusted and built my very life, purpose and sense of self around turned out to be a complete lie?” I’ve been in that position in the past (and even very recently) in both personal and business situations, and it is indeed devastating and causes you to question everything about yourself, and to doubt yourself. I got over it. But what if that happened to you with your faith as well? I mean, it would be like for Catholics, the Vatican issuing a statement that they discovered documents in their archives that prove the Virgin Mary was actually the class party girl back in Bethlehem, and Jesus’ Very Human Dad turned out to be the local postman? PLUS, now all your family and friends look at you like YOU are crazy and evil, just because you’re the only one seeing the elephant in the room? Humans are social animals and we really really need a community of some sort to feel whole. And the feeling of being “gaslighted” truly can drive someone mad, when you know from every sense you possess that everything is Blue and everyone else is screaming “Red! Red! Red!”

        So having a place to decompress and not go cold turkey would be so important to those people. Profound life change is not a snap of the fingers thing, it is a process (especially if it is going to stick.) You can see it happening in many of the people who post here.

        At least Indies are THINKING and acting independently. Even if they’re still apologizing for Hubbard in some respects. That in itself is a HUGE blow to Scientology.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          “At least Indies are THINKING and acting independently.”

          ???
          It sure doesn’t appear that way to me from my readings.
          It looks like a majority of them are circling the wagons for a brand new cult.

          • Missionary Kid

            I would say, circling the wagons for several new cults.

          • Poison Ivy

            I hear you BTN2. I would argue that they are “Thinking”, even though it clearly hurts their heads to do so after so many years of just parroting. Much of what they are doing is just moving around the deck chairs on the Titanic, but baby steps – at least they are moving a few chairs. So they aren’t thinking clearly, logically or even totally sanely, but the rusty gears are moving on their own a little bit. Even if they are just moving over to parrot Marty. I’d argue any movement at all is a little crack in the facade.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Well I agree they make a great decompression chamber.

              Although I am getting the ‘bends’ watching them from the sidelines.

              OR maybe the Zen Quantum Budhism just gets on my nerves

            • Poison Ivy

              Me too. I can’t read the comments at Marty’s at all anymore. My face can’t palm my forehead that many times without leaving a mark.

            • DeElizabethan

              Me neither. And Rinder’s only half way in my book. It has been rather interesting to watch the many changes of those posting and commenting and what they say tho. I still believe there is a place for them for new-outs. Those that need the understanding which leads to decompression. In time they will see the truth and be free.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              “Those that need the understanding which leads to decompression.”

              If, for no other reason, the MRs can provide the validation and reinforcement that these confused folks need at that very moment, I’ll give them a pass. The likelihood of Sci refugees–fresh out–running to a counselor or psych is pretty slim. That doesn’t mean I ignore past crimes or not coming clean about all of the pain heaped on others over the years.

              Don’t know if anyone was following, but recently the Indies tried to formalize a Sci group–complete with Ethics and gradients for membership. I think it was only open to OTs. It got shut down pretty quickly. Marty skewered it.

            • Poison Ivy

              Didn’t I read somewhere that this may have been an OSA-type false flag op to get Indies away from Marty?

            • DeElizabethan

              That is possible too. The insidious cult can never be trusted and an indie(s) is always suspect, having the bubble blood so instilled.

            • DeElizabethan

              That was really fast and quite neat to follow and watch it happen.

            • Poison Ivy

              Well-said, De. Nice to hear from you, sweet lady.

            • monkeyknickers

              It’s been like watching fish in an evaporating pool. Yeesh.

            • FistOfXenu

              Okay I just have to. And it might be better liked than my other 1 today. And it’s from scifi so it must be true like LRH said.

            • DeElizabethan

              Exactly! “great decompression chamber.”

            • Sidney18511

              Yes PI, they seem to be moving the chairs around. Then putting right back into the same spot.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              But the crowd has been thinned out, which is to be expected. Most of these indies were either staff who put in Decades, not years, or public who put in Hundreds of Thousands, not Thousands, but also decades of time. You can add on X number of years for recovery the longer you were in and/or invested. But the crowds have definitely thinned. Some as you can tell just from reading are hard line fanatics and as usual the fanatics have started warring with other fanatics. Most will go quietly into retirement and maybe send a card during the holidays. Those intending to practice scientology quackery for a living Are harmful…you want them to put your children through sec checks or the Purif?, but they won’t have the legal protection and big gun lawyers to protect them from lawsuits.

            • richelieu jr

              I would be so much more at ease if their halfway house was with Jon Attack for example than with Marty “We’ve got a training routine for that” Rathbun.

            • ThetaBara

              Staring Contest Drinking Game! You Blink, You Drink!

            • richelieu jr

              Ha!

        • Sherbet

          I agree wholeheartedly, PI. The fakery created by lrh is just so obvious when one steps back and looks at it with clear eyes (pun not intended), that it’s frustrating to think there are intelligent people with one foot still in scientology while damning DM.

          • richelieu jr

            ^^^^^
            This, a thousand times this!

        • Captain Howdy

          From my POV, being a hard atheist, anti-theist, I do agree with Dawkins and Hitchens that religious belief is a form of (temporary) mental illness and needs to be dealt with as such. Sorry to offend anyone and I’m not going to debate it.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            You didn’t offend me…but then, yeah, you know…………………

          • Sherbet

            This (perhaps temporarily) mentally ill person is not offended.

          • stanrogers

            “… and I’m not going to debate it.” And there’s the rub. The Dawkins/Hitchens crowd is making a statement based on nothing but, well, the statement they make. That’s about as unscientific and irrational as the claims they’re making for religiosity. An actual rationalist would try to determine why the phenomenon exists and, given its pervasiveness in human culture, what purpose it serves (or has served) from an evolutionary perspective.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That is what Dennett and Harris are for….
              ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • stanrogers

              And David Sloan Wilson, who would have a very hard time getting caught in anybody’s craw.

            • richelieu jr

              Actually, I may have meant Harris in my last post, come to think of it.

            • Captain Howdy

              I don’t want to debate it because this is not the place.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Exactly. We can certainly talk about it, but debate would be counter-productive.

            • Missionary Kid

              What they say is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
              It is all a matter of faith.
              My faith is that there is no god.
              You can’t argue faith. It’s outside the region of science or reason.

            • stanrogers

              And that makes my point, in an odd way. Faith in no-god is no more rational than faith in a god or gods. That’s not the same thing as taking the other side of Pascal’s wager, which would be to conduct yourself as though you are responsible only to yourself, your society and your environment, regardless of whether there may or may not be a god or gods.

              Again, I am not arguing for the truth of a religion. It would be silly for an atheist/apatheist to do so. I am arguing that it is more likely than not, given the archeological, historical and socialogical evidence, that religiosity itself is the result of natural selection, and that it cannot simply be dismissed as “delusion” or “mental illness” (no matter how crazy individual beliefs may be, or what they may lead to). The idea that religiosity is a part of human nature is not an admission of the truth of religion, but ignoring that idea is not going to gain us anything.

            • Missionary Kid

              Amen.

            • richelieu jr

              I wouldn’t go that far. If it is not ‘reality’ based, it is definitely a delusion, though not at all necessarily a mental illness.

            • stanrogers

              Again, you’re failing to separate religion from religiosity. The impulse to religiosity is there; denying that or writing it off as some sort of wide-spread mental illness (that just happens to affect the majority?) is entirely unhelpful to the individual or the species. Finding something (or some things) that will satisfy the impulse to religiosity in a way that is constructive (or at least non-destructive) would be helpful, but that means understanding exactly what the impulse is. The Dawkins approach is like the Maasai calling the Inuit short, fat and pale; it may be true from a comparative perspective, but it ignores an awful lot of biological truth, and telling them to just be taller, slimmer and get a tan as if the biology didn’t matter, and with the expectation that is can work is magical thinking run amok. As a strict Darwinist, Dawkins is quite a disappointment.

            • richelieu jr

              Certainly, but I said nothing to contradict it said it wasn’t a mental illness just that it wasn’t reality based.
              There is certainly something about religion that is proper to Man.

            • Vistaril

              The penomenon must first be proved to exist. In Scientology’s case, they are still trying to prove the existence of Engrams as defined by L Ron Hubbard. Can’t debate rationally about something that doesn’t exist and, in fact, thanks to New York University, was proved not to exist in the 1950s.

            • stanrogers

              That’s a nice response, but not to my statement. Religiosity is the general phenomenon I was speaking about, and it can be proven to exist. The claims, factual or metafactual, of any given system of belief are separate phenomena. There does indeed seem to be a need to believe, and the world around us with its oddball cults, rejection of rationality and conspiracy theories about everything, seems to be trying very hard to prove that “if you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything”. Getting to the “why” behind that and (perhaps) leveraging it for the common good of humanity rather than writing it off as a mental illness (which history suggests strongly it is not) might be a rather good idea.

            • FLUNK_101

              “An actual rationalist would try to determine why the phenomenon exists and, given its pervasiveness in human culture, what purpose it serves (or has served) from an evolutionary perspective”

              This book helped me understand that we are all the same, in the sense that we all have beliefs.

            • richelieu jr

              Dawkins wrote quite a good book on this very subject.

            • stanrogers

              Actually, no, he didn’t. It’s quite laughable, and it embarrasses me as an atheist to see him hoisted upon the shoulders of other non-believers as some sort of leader and hero. Like the John Cleese character in the Argument Clinic sketch, his arguments only seem like arguments if you don’t know what argument is. There is no science in it, except in support of the proposition that there is no god. (Science, itself, is fundamentally incapable of making that universal negative statement since neither it nor its opposite are falsifiable; it can only demonstrate that a god would not be necessary to explain phenomena that can be explained by purely natural processes.) He ignores religiosity to concentrate on gainsaying what he perceives religion to be (and has a very limited map of the vast territory that religion is, much of it having nothing to do with creation myths, interventionist agents or spooky action at a distance). And he fails entirely to realise that, in ignoring the impulse to religiosity, he is opening the door to people replacing the strawman god he wants publicly executed with something altogether more bizarre. (Have you been reading the internet at all? Some of the tinfoil hat crowd make the Young Earth Creationists look incredibly good by comparison. That doesn’t come from nowhere.)

            • richelieu jr

              I was speaking about the wrong person, as I corrected myself below.

            • stanrogers

              Sorry about that — I didn’t see your previous reply until after I had posted this. (I’m on a slow connection, so even without the built-in Disqus delay there would have been a problem.)

            • richelieu jr

              No problem, Stan. Your responses are intelligent and interesting anyway.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            I have no problem with opposing religion (which is just the rituals), but as you know I am offended at the idea that belief is in any way mental illness. And no, we don’t need to debate it…!

            • Sherbet

              The difference between Howdy as a critic and other critics is that Howdy starts off by saying it’s his POV. He doesn’t say, “All you believers are a bunch of morons, and Jesus was an idiot, or or or…” Howdy is respectful of other views. I’m not offended at all by what he says. I don’t agree, but I don’t have to.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              There ya go!
              Belief’s are as individual as the believers!

            • Captain Howdy

              ^^^^^ What they said! I just thought I should explain my POV in relation to this whole “belief” thing. And I have some “crazy” beliefs of my own. Trust me on that one.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I promise not to tell you mine if you don’t tell me yours; fair?

            • FLUNK_101

              We are all believers, whether we realize it or not.

            • Missionary Kid

              As I’ve said at the bar, “I believe I’ll have another.”

            • richelieu jr

              No, science is what is still true and happens even if you don’t believe in it.

              You don’t believe in Science? Sure you do!

              You’re posting things on the internet, every single one of the millions of components of which run by Science, not $cientology, aan not tiny angels pushing letters into place.

            • FLUNK_101

              Reality is the thing that’s “still true” even if you don’t believe in it. Science is our most accurate way of understanding that reality .. that’s why I believe in it!

            • richelieu jr

              Yes, I was indeed intentionally deforming the saying nonetheless, to place ‘sceince’ on the same rung as ‘religion’ as belief system beggars, well,… belief!
              This is one of y biggest problems with Hubbard’s scam and his socalled ‘tech’ (and with Intelligent Design, another scam): It deliberately smudges the line between science and religion, to the detriment of both. Kind of like Fox news does with Journalism and the words ‘Fair’ and ‘Balanced’

            • monkeyknickers

              Sadly “indian giver” doesn’t reflect the culture of sharing and support that many tribes had. It developed because natives didn’t necessarily adhere to a set, monetary value for trade.

              Like, example – I’m a settler and I trade 5 metal cooking pots in exchange for 2 deer hides. The next transaction might have a completely different value. Because it’s not about monetary stability – it’s about seeing need, having need, and expecting that the other party did too. Empathy on both sides.What you need from day to day changes all the time. How could it have a set value, you know?

              Alas, that system really didn’t work out too good. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • monkeyknickers

              I think it could be re-phrased a little . . . I think the underlying schism here is that we endeavor to use reason and evidence in EVERY other part of our lives. Eg – I’m not going to believe that there was a giant named Goliath, or unicorns are real, or the sun god ra really exists until somebody shows me something real.

              With faith based claims about contemporary beliefs, critical thinking seems to totally go out the window. A claim of faith is absolutely based on feelings. I feel a warm glow when Ashleen tells me she loves her auntie. Do I think I should worship her or put her in a position where she has supreme control over me? No.

              Douglas I think this is REALLY the issue. Mental illness is a debate-ready turn of phrase. We’re all mentally ill then, since we’ve all made decisions made on faith (like: I’m gonna get back together with my boyfriend and this time I KNOW it will be different!) whilst the overwhelming majority of evidence points in the absolute opposite direction.

              And that is difficult to reconcile from the other side (meaning atheists) . Particularly when the belief is and has been the basis for so much pain and sorrow for the ENTIRE community, not just those of us who don’t believe there are gods.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              but, I just KNOW it’s real. http://www.Thinkgeek.com sold me some.

            • monkeyknickers

              You. Are. Awesome.

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Yeah, I know. ๐Ÿ˜‰ It’s my hypnotic red eyes, or at least that’s what people tell me.

            • monkeyknickers

              Hi you . . . so I guess we know now (cuz of the culkin post today) if OSA is combing this blog everyday huh? What dicks. !!!!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Yep! Be safe.

          • Vistaril

            What has religion got to do with Scientology? Rather than Dawkins and Hitchens, I suggest its more accurate in the Scientology discussion to debate the ideas of such theorists as Cesare Beccaria.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Al Capone Center for the Willfully Deaf Dumb and Blind?

          • pronoia

            Well, if you ever had to deal with anyone who is mentally ill you would know that it does absolutely no good to try to either reason with them or to argue. Rather, you need to empathize and to build enough trust so that they will trust you

            Mental illness is not caused by a lack of intelligence and a refusal to see reason.

        • FLUNK_101

          “I try and put myself in their shoes (empathy, another very anti-Scientology thing to do”

          That’s going too far, PI! There were some good people drawn into this evil cult. Without those good people, other good people would not have joined. These good people would not have stayed in as long as they did if everything in Scientology was telling them not to love. That’s just absurd, it really is.
          To use your analogy to Catholicism, the average Catholic is not focused on the crimes of the Catholic Church. They are focused on those benevolent concepts and beliefs that bring them good feelings.
          I know you can imagine having some good vibes in the beginning. And as you continue, the evil creeps up on you!
          It’s how you react to that evil that determines your fate.
          I did some introductory courses that cost next to nothing. And I got some auditing in the HGC that I never paid for, because I was dating the examiner. But then, I paid full price when I attested to clear, and that included a sec check, and that was enough for me. I was out.
          But I was always been a very empathetic person, even when I was A Scientologust.person. I never hated anyone.

          • Missionary Kid

            You got your inoculation. What happened to the examiner you were dating?

            • FLUNK_101

              I don’t know, MK. Her parents were successful and very wealthy, and she was an intelligent woman. I hope she got out.

            • Missionary Kid

              I hope so, too, but the fact that her parents were wealthy would be strong motivation for them to keep her.

              I hope she got out.

          • Poison Ivy

            I did not mean any offense at any person. Or any individual Scientologist, in, out or in between. I am talking only of the SYSTEM of Scientology.

            • FLUNK_101

              No offense taken, PI. I’m just giving my perspective on how fooled we exes were when we were “in.” Unfortunately, the evil of Scientology was not always so obvious as it is on this wonderful and informative blog.

          • DeElizabethan

            I can relate to that Flunk. Was one of my favorites for years too.

            • FLUNK_101

              Thanks, DeElizabethan.

          • sugarplumfairy

            The granting of being ness.. another of the windy idiot’s “processes..”

            Empathy, compassion and love were already well understood concepts.. Conman hubbard didn’t need to redefine them for his nefarious purposes..

            • FLUNK_101

              now you’re contradicting yourself

              “hubbard didn’t need to redefine [empathy, compassion and love] for his nefarious purposes..”

              that’s what makes it so nefarious

              have a good one

            • sugarplumfairy

              You left out conman.. You have a good one too, Flunk..

            • DeElizabethan

              As far as I know the Granting of being-ness was not a ‘process’ as in auditing, but part of his philosophical writings. Of course all his writings as a whole, became a process of mind bending, some worse than others.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Yep.. He took well understood concepts universally seen as worthwhile and turned them into a confusing mishmash of malarkey that he could use to further entice good and trusting souls into helping him expand his scam..

            • richelieu jr

              Yea, it’s good example of common sense, run of the -mill morality available from pretty much all religion and every self-hep book on the planet, suddenly having ‘Hubbard Brand’ printed on it and price tag attached.

              Still, I don’t blame anyone from taking something good from Scientology They deserve something for their money. I just resist the idea that there is anything good in Scientology that isn’t readily available, for free, somewhere else.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Exactly..

            • FLUNK_101

              Well said.

          • sugarplumfairy

            I stole this from THDNE..
            “…Redefinition of words is done by associating different emotions and symbols with the word than were intended…

            PL 5; October, 1971 “Propaganda by Redefinition of Words””

            See what he did there, Flunk? He took words like empathy, compassion and love and he redefined them into something not at all “Christ-like..”

            And I’m so glad that you see he was evil..

            • FLUNK_101

              Yes, Hubbard was very aware of the redefinition of words as a propaganda technique. I think a lot of that is a perversion of Korzybski ‘s General Semantics. Korzybski talked a lot about language and how it influences our perception of reality.
              SPF, if a person is a good person and shows other people empathy, compassion and love, why would you take a dismissive attitude toward that? Just because they use a different word for it? C’mon! Are you trying to say that I wasn’t sincere when I was “granting beingness,” back when I was a clam ?” What if I bought my Mom a birthday present while I was still a clam? Are you gonna say that present was bullshit, because I was a Scientologist at the time?
              I know you hate all things Scientology. You’ve made that clear enough. But please try not to direct that attitude at me just because I have a good memory and remember what it was like to be a Scientologist.
              Thank you.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Actually.. I wasn’t even thinking of you, Flunk.. I replied to your comment and was thinking about lrh and his motives.. How he used his PL 5 Redefinition of Words to ensnare good people like you.. People hear the words empathy, compassion and love and think ‘oh, this is good,’ when lrh has already redefined those words to mean something completely different in order to confuse his victims..

              Please don’t think I’m automatically disrespecting you because you’re an ex.. I feel very fortunate to have met all the wonderful exes i’ve met here.. And I get along with all of them.. Still working on my relationship with you, but im hopeful we can let bygones be bygones.. I’m glad you remember what it was like to be a scientologist.. Hopefully, that will keep you safe from ever wanting to go back to that..

              I promise to be more careful to be sure you understand where I’m coming from..

            • FLUNK_101

              Thank you, my dear.

              P.S. I was raised Greek Orthodox, and that’s still a part of who I am. I love the arts and sciences, and I am fascinated by human nature. Don’t worry too much about me going back to Scientology. Or the indies. That’s not gonna happen.

            • Bella Legosi

              The fact that Co$ waits until OTIII to really get the crazy sauce simmering is what I believe makes it so damn evil.

              In fact I would be alright with assuming that OTIII is itself an “evil purpose”. From what I have read this is really the make it or break it point for any $cientologist. OTIII can be taken as allegory or literally. If taken allegorically, that shows that the OT is open to the idea of Xenu, BT’s, but treats them as though they are on the level of creation myths that soooooo many religions depend on (without any creation myth there is no ‘in’ road to introduce concepts such as good/evil, original sin, religious hierarchy). However, taking this level allegorically doesn’t seem to last long, because you have 5 other OT levels still to get through that rely heavily on the concepts put forth in OTIII. So, even if a $cientologists takes OTIII with a grain of salt, it won’t be long before they begin to take OTIII literally. Taking the OTIII literally has been shown to be quite dangerous. Even LRH himself dubbed this level, “The Wall of Fire”. This is the level that Little Boots came to and never went “straight up and vertical” on the “Bridge to Total Freedom”, or the level in which Tom Cruise said, “Wait a minute………whaaaa? Nicole……never mind I can’t talk to you about it.”

              So, it is safe to say that OTIII does have negative effects on the person doing it. This is the level where I believe the system that is $cientology turns into a full blown abusive, mind controlling, cult (meaning if you didn’t think it was a cult before, you will after OTIII. But most don’t see this right away. I find they usually do AFTER they have left the church proper). This is where the concern for humanity ends and the focus is shifted to the individual; which then brings into play the cost of auditing and a pleathera of processes and rundowns that are designed NOT to add to the betterment of humanity, but only to line the pockets of Co$ system; while smashing or suppressing any dissent or intelligent questions.

              Thinking of OTIII in these terms I begin to understand just why people like you Flunk, and many other caring, intelligent, individuals get sucked in and stay in for so damn long. The Wall of Fire doesn’t always burn someone right out the front door of the Org, it simmers. The process of assimilation into becoming mindless, uncaring, $ciBots, must be done at a snails pace or those who are involved (who haven’t already been programmed) would most definitely blow. By slowly introducing mind control (Trickle Down Mind Control is what I have come to call it) allows the person to lie to themselves that the material might be a little crazy, but the concept of the betterment of humanity is still very much present in that person. They still believe they can help. Little do they know that because of all the BTs and implants they are too flawed to really help mankind. And it is at this level in $cientology where cult mentality really breaks out of the shell and presents itself, more so then any other previous process or level in $cientology (I am sure many would argue that the mind control starts the moment you take the first course, I disagree).

              Sorry this is so long! It has been on my mind for a while now and I haven’t articulated it until now. I could go on, but I feel I have made my point; the way the $cientology process is set up utilizes Trickle Down Mind Control to slowly dissolve what individuality a person has, while allowing them to still believe in the “tech” and its importance to humanity. However, once someone gains OTIII all that “good works” feeling is dissolved and the person who really wants to save mankind finds out that they are too flawed and fucked up with BT’s and implants to even attempt to help man; it is at this point where all of that “tech” is used to focus on the individual and all of their “ruins” and “crimes”. After months or years of virtual psychological abuse and degrading through OT processes the OT is transformed into an agent of $cientology with the focus on $cientology and only $cientology; when the purpose and aim was really the betterment of man, NOT the system that claims to cure man of all his “evil purposes”.

            • Robert Eckert

              Chuck Beatty has often stressed that the “exorcism” levels (as he concisely sums them up) are really key to how Scientology messes up the mind so badly. Yes, it was a mindfuck all the way back to Dianetics, but it might have just been a fad that dried up and blew away when the founder was gone, instead of this monster that won’t die even after decades of being jabbed by valiant heroes, if there wasn’t such an unusual degree of mind control.

            • Bella Legosi

              Thank you! It is nice to know that my thinking and logic actually goes in the right direction!

          • Lady Squash

            I loved those concepts too. But here’s the thing, neither Granting Beingness or What is Greatness were practiced by LRH or his Church. In my book, that makes it a bunch of hot air. Neither LRH or his Church walked the talk. I’m just saying.

      • Spackle Motion

        While it serves as an important step out of the cult, the Indie movement is still highly dangerous because you have untrained and sadly misguided people still doing auditing, which is dangerous quackery. The Indies are dealing with people in psychological crisis and many are probably exhibiting/suffering symptoms that potentially can be lethal. The Indies that are doing these quackery techniques are not trained to handle all potential outcomes and are putting their victims and themselves in harms way.

        Treating psychological crisis caused by Scientology is not cured with more Scientology. Many Indies are still caught in a trap and some still harbor dangerous delusions (Rathbun is a perfect example). What the Indies are doing is wrong and could have disastrous consequences.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          What he said.

        • DeElizabethan

          But still not as dangerous as staying or going beck to the church for help which many do, not having a stepping stone.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Good point, De.

          • richelieu jr

            I disagree, they’ll eventually run out of money or make the church explode from within.. It risks becoming a pressure gage for disaffected Scientologists…

        • richelieu jr

          Yes, SM, oh gods yes!

        • MissCandle

          Please don’t say that you mean that S-Lying-Tology is not “highly dangerous” as long as its {auditors} are trained.

          • Robert Eckert

            If they were trained about realities of mental health and how to handle those in crisis situations.

          • Spackle Motion

            No, that’s not what I meant. I meant that no single auditor is clinically trained, licensed, and otherwise has layers of accountability for the services they render to people in crisis. Scientology teaches auditors to dump people exhibiting symptoms of a psychotic break, and dumping these people with no accountability is morally, legally, and ethically wrong, not to mention often has deadly results. Every licensed therapist has a legal duty to care for these people, even if it means finding a specialized therapist to help them.

            Auditors wouldn’t know the first thing on how to pick out signs of suicide, dangerous behavior, hearing voices, etc. But they are being placed in a position of trust by the patient, which often needs help that an auditor can never give.

            I don’t find a single thing that is good about what they are doing because it perpetuates a con and keeps these suffering people in a trap that continues their suffering. It’s wrong, plain and simple.

            • MissCandle

              I agree with you. Thanks for clarifying.

      • Vistaril

        Nah . . . the Indies are nothing like a half-way house, they are just another supplier, only with New Improved 100% KSW Kool Aid. Ask any professional in the field of overcoming the cult experience and they will all tell you that the last thing a person escaping Scientology needs is more Scientology. And that’s because consuming more of what ails you cannot heal you.

        • N. Graham

          I agree. I really think that using nicotine gum or patches is the same thing. Just quit! It took me a long time to quit and when I decided that supplements weren’t helping, it became a lot easier. Nicotine physically leaves your body in 24 hours. The rest is just psychological. So it is with Scientology. You will never be totally free if you keep sipping the kool-aid.

          • ThetaTomato

            Funny name you have. There was an auditor in the DC Celebrity Center years ago named Nancy Graham who signed everything N. Graham. She died a few years ago probably as a result of her 4 pack a day habit. She was a self-proclaimed expert on nutrition, her cigarette habit notwithstanding, and frequently espoused eating rice and beans together because “combining them makes a complete protein.” True story. Makes it unreal after hearing all of these SO stories. Even though I only took a couple of intro courses I still remember that 24 years later.

            • DeElizabethan

              Actually, when I learned about nutrition being a vegetarian for awhile (away from any scio’s BS), that beans and rice are a complete protein. BUT not excessive eating like they feed them.

            • Missionary Kid

              I would say that the body needs more than protein. One can subsist on rice and beans, but the body is a complex organism, and needs far more.

            • DeElizabethan

              Absolutely right! In no way do they get healthy foods.

            • N. Graham

              Funny? Like a clown?

            • ThetaTomato

              Funny like coincidental, which is not at all like a clown.

            • Robert Eckert
            • richelieu jr

              Maybe she’s the genius behind the RPF Diet, famed for its weight-loss capacities…

      • monkeyknickers

        I hope so too. And many MANY of these people have only been out for 4 or 5 years, some less. Christians who’ve become atheists often say that it takes a DECADE of winding down . . . realizing the bible is truly man-made,to deciding to find a different path to god, then deciding that god just means everything like trees and flowers and beetles, to god is the universe to . . . . . huh. Oh. Whaddya know.

        The total mindfuck with Scientology is that the jump out of the cult isn’t made (in these cases) based on an appreciation and a revelation the scriptures are bogus. These people are dealing with something vastly more complex. You escaped the cult, but you still must love its founder. How crazy is that.

        Cults are bad for America. :))

        • richelieu jr

          What the ‘half-way house folks need is reality shock treatment; If they go crawling beck to Davey, too bad, but some will actually be saved.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            As long as there is some fresh orange juice and “Nun Farts” on the way out.

            • richelieu jr

              I keep the nuns working overtime for you, L Wrong!

              Hey, Sister Mary Elizabeth! Finish your freakin’ beans!

          • monkeyknickers

            They need TIME and support sweetheart. God knows that I find that the most FRUSTRATING TRUTH ever as I raise Ashleen. But it’s true. It’s by degrees.

            And when my sister gets to the place where she can start genuinely listening to criticism without the cult-like auto response, I will kick her ass. Have no fear. No, SERIOUSLY I’m not happy with her and we’ll have it out when she’s strong enough.

            But these people are clearly not in the position to accept tough love so early.

            My opinion, and who am I? But – I THINK this is true. Or maybe the best path available to me and Ashleen, and a sister I love.

    • Lady Squash

      Excellent point. It’s like Indies talking about SPs and such without realizing the whole SP doctrine is a crock. LRH’s biography is a crock. The goals of SCN are a crock. The Super Power processes are a crock. It’s all just crock on a stick.

  • Xique

    Karen and AGP, thank you for these compelling , and heart wrenching stories from Scott and Kerry Campbell . Holy Shit , they are just unbelievable, and unthinkable. To see that they somehow survived this treatment is amazing to me.
    Keep it up!!

  • Lilaeth

    I want an oiliness table of my own, goddammit!!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I am waiting for them to start selling a Chinese knock off at Lowes!

      • Sherbet

        Oh, gosh, Bury, that is FUNNY!!!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I am on my second pot of coffee now!

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            What did I tell ‘ya! The whales are gonna blow an ocean. They’re gonna have to sell tickets to get in line for the Refund Volcano that is about to blow up in DM’s kingdom.

            And remember, he had OTs including OT 8’s pay Thousands of Dollar an hour ordered to redo TR’s and Objectives (anyone who did this frankly deserves Dunce Awards) and now…..

            Miscavige is raping and pillaging More staff from the orgs (who’s left?) to Retrain Everything with his marvelous new Gat II and making the Public redo Tr’s and Objectives and Basics per his marvelous new GAT II so they can be really, really ready for the Supah Powah!

            So when they find out it’s just more tedious lower level crap And more Ethics EthicsEthics (can’t get enough of that now!), they will be furious. And most of the “VIP’s are old farts who are going to getting hurt or killed on any Miscavige dreamt contraptions. And wait till they get a load out of the “Cause” Running Room! Someday they can install speakers and a 70’s crystal ball and use it as a stripper’s club.

            Dan Koon is quite a liar or delusional. He says in his PDF Husband was surprised about the RPF and coincidink at Renovations. This has happened over and over and over and he knows thats a lie. Oh yeah, and Hubbard was also shocked, shocked I tell you abut those crminal escapades called Snow White, and he was also shocked that his crew were being tortured, physicall, mentally verbally abused, starved half to death, doing labor they weren’t skilled to do, injuries and illness constant, and staff wanting to leave. He was afraid he’s lose too much nearly free slave labor.

            I’ll repeat what I said yesterday: Super Power was meant to be the gifts that the abusive husband brings home after the went a “little too far” last time with the wife. He’s bringing her a meal and books and courses on how to be an Ideal Wife.

            All I can say is that is one friggin’ high priced Monster Shredder in the Super Power building. I have a feeling Miscavige will dream up an entire Shredding Rundown which will become a pre-registration Requirement any day now.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              ON FIRE GIRL….

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Oh and Hubbard even had the sadist nerve to include a rundown that would make his slaves Less Dead so they could get him Moar Cash and Faster.

              Less Dead? Yeah, Dan Koon. Hubbard Knew Nothing!

      • FistOfXenu

        Sure but do you really want to have to read that instruction manual?

        • Lilaeth

          I’m reading the Wiki section on Theta Perceptics,as it mentions oiliness, and that’s bad enough!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Is that what that thing is for? To actually read?

          • FistOfXenu

            Unless you rather use it to demonstrate why translation from Chinese to English is a fool’s game.

            • Captain Howdy

              If she doesn’t read it she’s going to end up as deep fried “long pig”.

    • FistOfXenu

      Don’t we all Lilaeth. Don’t we all.

    • BosonStark

      Eventually, all the super power equipment will be available for home use, and special offers will be available.

      For example, if you donate at the New Civilization Builder level of the IAS, and buy a full set of Dianutty on stainless steel, an oiliness table for home use could be thrown into the package FREE*.

      Of course, regular scheduled maintenance and adjustment will be required by Super Power Oiliness Table Technicians twice yearly or as problems occur. The base fee for such work is $10,000. I’m sure you’d agree that that is a small price to pay for daily knowingness and regulation of your own oiliness level, which in some ways is more important that exorcising your own BT’s.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        and it would have to be scientology approved Very Special On Source Oil, too, right? I’m thinking $10,000 a bottle as a price point would work.

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          I started thinking and wound up at the soap in “Fight Club”.

        • Mark

          And here’s a bottle of it! Offers, anyone?

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Love the bottle!

    • Jon Hendry

      If you write to This Old House, maybe Norm will put show how to build a Lube Nook.

  • 0tessa

    Unleashing the ‘super power of a thetan’ – still the age old psychological alchemy.
    The great wizzard of the Magical Church, who utterly failed and who wanted a final electrochock to die, left a magnum opus full of magical sayings.
    And the new Grand Master Miscavige is exploiting the material to the last letter in order to make his last dollars.
    And in the end nobody is the wiser.
    The magic of Hubbard did not deserve anything better than Superfraud Miscavige.

  • BosonStark

    Whether it’s spending $300,000 for a little spiritual repair work — I bet the food was good at the Ft. Harrison — or being locked in a medical waste incinerator — beats getting your balls stuck in a meat grinder — this is all just part of the spiritual technology developed by Dr. Hubtard to help people save the planet, before it’s too late.

    And remember kids, if it’s not fun, it’s not Scientology.

    • stateofcircle

      Speaking of the food at the Ft. Harrison, I’ve always wondered about the restaurants and the quality of the food. Can anyone enlighten me on this?

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Top 5 Star restaurants, chefs are or were sent to train at the very best places. Miscavige has his priorities.

        • Captain Howdy

          How much do they get paid?

          • DeElizabethan

            They get to eat their own food.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Of course it’s not cheap! hah

        • DeElizabethan

          At Flag, those meals were nice and the buffet great and best value. But this is only for paying customers and it’s not cheep. Knew a guy who would get 2nd’s or 3rds and then a doggie bag and the staff didn’t give him a hard time. Btw, if you left tips it went to the church I was told. So unless you ask, you wouldn’t know that you needn’t tip.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    I think Scott was there after I had left the Sea Org for the last time in ’84. IIRC, I think the incinerator room he talks about was not too far from the morgue area. When I was there during the renos, the vestibule area out side it was used to pile old wire and electrical cable that had been pulled from walls. There was this huge pile about 3 feet high, old fabric and tar insulated and armored wire, probably the size of a 20 foot shipping container.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Fun times, eh, Michael?

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        Well, it was fun because we thought we were saving the universe. Fun because we were young and dumb and invincible. Fun because we didn’t have to pay rent or buy food, just work and study. There was camaraderie.

        Delusional because we had no fucking idea what we were doing with this building. Mostly, a lot of us invented it as we went along. Here and there a scientologist contractor would ‘hat’ some of us on building walls or doing plumbing, then disappear. No safety standards or PPE. A lot of ‘unusual solutions’. I’m really surprised more people were not killed or severely injured.

        Not fun because it became progressively like the Stanford Prison Experiment where some elected themselves guards and oppressors and the rest of us fell into the prisoners role.

        So, yes a tremendous mix of emotions.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Well, my back was never the same nor was my adrenal system. And that was just from the EPF but that was very short and yes, it was team building fun. Most of that time was clearing out the piles of stuff in the garage so it could be opened finally. The RPF though, took a long time before nightmares of them coming back for me ended after I left and I was in such a short time. I cannot imagine how any one survives this torture for long periods. That’s why when two Sea Ogres suddenly banged on my front door a couple years ago, I Freaked. I mean, I really Freaked. But it got me on the Google Train and reading lots of books. We’ll never know how many of those that “disappeared” blew or something else.

          • Michael Leonard Tilse

            I’m sure my liver was damaged and I probably have mesothelioma from all the white asbestos dust I inhaled pulling out ancient steam pipes and the ‘red dot’ spackle mud they used.

            I don’t blame you for freaking. I would freak too. But I also kind of expect it to happen some day.

            I still have very disturbing dreams.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I think you two deserve to push the demolition button on big blue together… well, with a few thousand others.
              I do wonder how many people are dead or dying directly related to all of this.

            • Captain Howdy

              To quote Shirley Jackson ” It needs to be burnt to the ground and the earth sowed with salt”.

              After the scilons are gone of course.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              That’s my Happy Place dream!

            • Captain Howdy

              I have F’uped dreams about scientology and I was never in. I can only imagine.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              You can call me any time day or night. I’ll send you the phone #. I can talk you down. Or, let me know what tunes you like, and I’ll have it playing in the background. Also, welcome anytime to hunker down in the Bunker Southern SP Society’s Spa and Relaxation Station. And I finally have all the house and yard renovated, so you can really relax! heh We will throw a BBQ party in your honor.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              Thank you!

              Funny, I first ready your last sentence as: We will throw a BBQ party in your horror.

            • stateofcircle

              Michael (and anyone who has worked with asbestos), you should look into adding the herb ashwagandha to your daily health routine. While no preventative treatment (or conclusive tests for that matter) exists for mesothelioma, ashwagandha has shown really promising results in aiding prevention. It is also mild and has a myriad of great health benefits, and most importantly, it has been around for a very long time and as such can be considered safe. Many people take it, and it generally has no affect as far as negative physical symptoms (i.e. gastrointestinal issues, any sort of “buzz”, headache, fatigue, etc…there’s none of that), and it also has shown anti-stress and anti-aging benefits.

              As with any dietary changes, if you are sensitive to certain things or have any medical conditions, talk to your doctor and/or read up on it. As I mentioned, it is very mild and widely used, and as such is considered safe. Also as I mentioned, no official preventative treatments currently exist for mesothelioma, and while it is a very rare cancer, (not to scare anyone), it is brutal, and it often takes 20-50 years to present itself and once it does, well…it’s not good. Studies have been done on the benefits of ashwagandha for mesothelioma prevention, and because it is mild and safe, as well as having other health benefits and little to no side effects, looking into taking it is a smart idea, even if your risk isnt’t super high.

              edit: FTR, I’m not going all woo-woo chiropractor on you guys. I’m all for traditional medicine, but there are also many, many natural ways to address health concerns, and I only take seriously those natural ways that are backed up by actual scientific evidence and proven results.

  • ze moo

    Thank you Dan Koon, the oiliness table, the pain wall and stink station have become the secrets that CO$ can’t hide. The WTF factor has kept many new meats away. They just can’t hide the crazy any more.

    I truly object to verbatizing the word ‘mecca’. It’s just false advertising.

    • Captain Howdy

      How come ever time I see “Dan Koon” my mind reads it as “Can Loon”?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Because your brain knows…it just knows!

      • Sherbet

        I see “Dean Koontz,” and I think, Yup, fiction.

        • Observer

          Horror fiction.

          • Captain Howdy

            Shiddy horror fiction.

            • Observer

              *snicker*

      • ze moo

        Dislexers of the world unite, you nothing lose….unless you’re Tom Cruise, then you lose your mind….

        • Michael Leonard Tilse

          Dyslexics untie! You have nothing to chain but your lose!

          • Captain Howdy

            i just figured out a couple of years ago after posting comments on youtube 24/7/365 for like 3 years, I was somewhat dyslexic. It was something of a shock. I realized not only do I have shitty writings skills, I write backwards to boot. Yee-haw!

            • DeElizabethan

              I’m with ya Capt!

          • Robert Eckert

            Join DNA! (That’s the National Association of Dyslexics)

        • MissCandle

          I’m a dyslexic a-theist . . . I don’t believe in dog.

  • THX 1138

    The Super Power Building can never open. It’s too much of an embarrassment for the cult. There is no way its contents can avoid extremely public scrutiny.

    • Sunny Sands

      If it ever opens, sooner or later, pics of the actual insides will show up online, and the worldwide mocking will continue and increase.

      • THX 1138

        Exactly! You know it will all get leaked fairly quickly, and it is far too much of a risk for DM to allow it to ever open.

      • MissCandle

        That must be what the hidden-in-the-tampon cameras are for!

    • stateofcircle

      That’s along the lines of what I have been thinking. There has been SOO much build-up and hyped expectations that Douchebag Mismanage might just realize that, in the increasingly critical and open anti-Scn climate, it is going to be nothing but a let down. So he has tried and tried and tried and tried to come up with things to make it either (or both) more interesting or more secure. Even though there are some ride-or-die clams, there is an ever growing amount of Scientologists who are disillusioned, frustrated, and not totally willing to turn a blind eye anymore, and I think DM is at least somewhat aware of that. And I think it scares him.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        If you’ve read the hype that has gone hand in hand with the fundraising for Super Power, every year, you would understand how outraged the public are going to be at being defrauded.
        As much as scientologists get used to hype, the Super Power hype was Super Hyped and every year the Super Hype got Hiked Up several more notches and on and on and on.

        This scam of Miscavige’s is gonna bite him in the butt big time. He’s like every other punk scam artist. He got greedy. Same thing with the Narconon. Huge mistake based solely on greed.
        He’s been acting like a gambling addict. He’s taken bigger and bigger risks and can’t get enough cash to satisfy his greed or cool his inferno illness.

        David Miscavige will be DM’s downfall in the end which is looming on the horizon.

  • Lurkness

    As someone pointed out at ex-scientology message board, “Super Power” is so fantastic and gives you so much cause over life that Joe Fechbach ended up dead and Matt Feshbach bankrupt. Well worth the $1 million each for that kind of power!!!

    • Lurkness

      Dwarfenfuhrer was recently overheard commenting on the success of “Super Power” or the Humongous Rundown as LRH called it.

      DM: “We have already tested Super Power and the first two subjects ended up dead or bankrupt. Laurisse, mark that down as wins and a success. We got 2 million dollars out of just the first two suckers!”

    • DeElizabethan

      When they die they probably had signed over everything to the cult. I overheard a couple doing just that. I was amazed that they are having power’ness’ over making out your wills. At the time I thought oh my gosh, give to someone who really needs it, but apparently the cult Really needs it. They are Desperate!

    • grundoon

      David Miscavige’s Super Power Rundown separated Joe and Matt Feshbach from their money in the nick of time. Scientology truly is a workable technology.

      • Lurkness

        Nice!

  • Awesome! Now that I have this priceless tech I’m dousing a dining room table with coconut nut oil right now for the oiliness rundown. After that I’ll stick a paperclip in a power outlet (instant pain station). I’m going OT, yay!!!

    • BuryTheNuts2

      This J&D is getting viscous!

      • Michael Leonard Tilse

        {it is a bit thick}

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I’m thinking an olive oil slip and slide might be fun!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Now we are talkin!!!

  • nottrue

    HUMAN PERCEPTION #14D – OILINESS better check mine.could be time for a change

  • It just struck me that Super Power is shaping up to be the saddest theme park ever.

  • nottrue

    if this dont prove hubbard was insane nothing will

  • Marie Claire Wolf

    Listening to Scott and Karry RPF stories, one is reminded of the KGB’s methods used to break-down enemies of the state. Again all my sincerest thanks to all of you out there for revealing the truth, and dear Karen keep up the good work!

  • nottrue

    in my world if you blow a big charge and go exterior that doesnt mean you have super powers. that means your nuts

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      or just had an enema.

  • Sunny Sands

    These Scott Campbell interviews are so heartbreaking. They prove the truth of “it’s always worse than you think”.
    And Karry and Scott are more victims of forced abortion.

  • DeElizabethan

    A note on that process of Where you are safe. One in fairly good shape will right off know that wherever one IS he’s safe should he have confidence. Then you have to go through an hour of looking and then end up with the original answer. Crazy I know, but that’s the auditing hook. Seems you can’t be right until you’ve spent some money and did it their way. I remember doing the same or similar question long ago on some level.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Yep, all lower level and some even introductory schlepp. But hey, with Super Power, you get a glowing orange pole to run around. I wonder if it hummmmms.

  • N. Graham

    The California Statute of Limitations for kidnapping is 3 to 6 years depending on circumstances. One year for false imprisonment. As soon as Scott said he wanted to route out and they let him languish for another few months, they were guilty of both false imprisonment and kidnapping. It would be nice if some of the RPFers that escape could give an accounting of their ordeals within the time limits and get a few criminal charges to the main organization to go with Narconon’s. COS has a lot of civil suits, but they really deserve criminal too. Just listening to what they put Scott and Karry through is enough to make any normal person seethe. (What a great wife Karry is BTW. For her to volunteer like that was saintly.)

    • Missionary Kid

      I’d like to see them make a request for their files.

      • aquaclara

        Yes, I would, too. I hope that every single person who reads Tony’s postings who has ever had a file requests their files through a fully documented legal process. But it takes money and a willingness to return to the nightmares of the past. So maybe someone will follow Laura’s path.

        • Missionary Kid

          One can hope, or perhaps join in one big suit. I’m not an attorney, so I can’t say what the best strategy is.

          Probably Laura’s attorneys will be the experts on getting files.

      • MissCandle

        SUE SUE SUE! If everyone who was falsely imprisoned and/or kidnapped sued the *gag* {church} of S-Lying-Tology, and even if every case was thrown out — what a publicly available statement that would make.

        • Missionary Kid

          $ciontology has avoided having to turn over files in the past because of several factors.

          Most people are so glad to get out that they don’t want to have anything to do with Co$, and the {church} is as nasty as can be in anything they consider adversarial.

          Many are afraid of the {church’s} fair game policy that uses what’s in their files against them.

          Co$ will make it as difficult as possible to get your files by throwing up roadblocks at every turn, making it an expensive proposition legally.

          Laura’s lawsuit has set precedence. It’s going to be tough, but not as tough for the next people.

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      There are ways around the Statute of Limitations as well–I believe Laura DeC. conquered that hurdle.

  • Jefferson Hawkins

    Being a Scientologist requires an ability to forget the past. It requires, as Orwell put it, “an unending series of victories over your own memory.”

    Hubbard announced SuperPower in 1978. Not that he was “working on it” but that it was an accomplished fact, all done and ready to roll out “in the next 6 weeks.” He giddily announced that a team of auditors were in training to deliver it. What happened? Nothing.

    It’s been 35 years since that announcement. Thirty-five years. People have been born, grown up, went to college, got married and started families since that announcement.

    They broke ground on the wonderful “SuperPower Building” 15 years ago. I toured the empty shell in 2002. They’ve raised the entire amount to complete that building several times over. Still not done. Still not open.

    I heard about all of the Disneyland machines back when I was still in the Sea Org. They were being built and tested then. And Miscavige briefed us that the fancy machines, the big building, all that, was just window dressing. “SuperPower is 95% marketing:” he told us. And we see from Dan Koon’s writeup that the actual substance is another bunch of boring, repetitive, mind-numbing “processes.”

    And what does the Church now say? They keep telling the faithful that it’s a superfantastic rundown that will give people superpowers and they have a bunch of auditors in training to deliver it. In other words, exactly what Hubbard said in 1978. 35 years ago.

    How long does it take for people to realize they’ve been conned?

    • 1subgenius

      When you have no memory you never do.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That’s the Question of the Day, Jeff, isn’t it? Personally, when I heard that OT 7’s were agreeing to piles of sec checks And actually paying for it, I gave up on them. Did they forget all about the Non Interference Zone? I mean, that was as close to a sacrament that you got in scientology. And then OT8’s not only ordered to redo Purif and Objectives, but at OT8 rates AND there was minimum # of hours requirement attached to their marching orders.

      I ask this every time I hear about the latest marketing gimmick: Who ARE these people and what are they thinking?

      • Missionary Kid

        “Who ARE these people and what are they thinking?” Flying monkeys, and they don’t think.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Thanks. I needed that.

          • Missionary Kid

            THDN, if it makes your day a little better, I’m happy.

        • Observer

          Calling all flying monkeys!

          • Mrs Libnish

            Nice shoop! I was like…hey that little tiny laughing guy looks like TC.

            And then I was like….oh.

          • ThetaBara

            I think this might be my favorite of all your awesome shoops. Difficult to pick just one, however!

    • Jeff, Fuck, yeah, you and I got a tour of the building back when we were there in 2002. I had totally forgotten. Well, I guess one empty shell looks like another. Those were the days, eh? Not.

    • InTheNameOfXenu

      So long as they still believe in Scientology…never.

    • Leslie Stipe

      “How long does it take for people to realize they’ve been conned?”
      Eternity, apparently.
      Speaking of blasts from the past, “These Eyes” by The Guess Who (before my time!) playing on iTunes. Great song!

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Jeff, you have what we in Scientology call a “Misunderstood.”

      What the Founder was actually talking about back then was a policy letter called “Soup Near Power.” In this PL, the Founder made it quite clear that soup should not be cooked around any electrical outlets on the Base.

      This policy was in fact implemented in six weeks by relocating the stoves on the Base.

      Some SP Transcriptionist who couldn’t duplicate even if you shoved his head into a Xerox machine, confused “Soup Near Power” with “Super Power.”

      “Soup Near Power” is still in effect wherever cooking is done in the Church. This PL has been so successful that there have been no injuries or fatalities related to cooking soup in Scientology.

      Thank you.

  • Dean Fox

    I’m sure Will Smith will pay top dollar so he can make 2 + 2 = 5 or what ever the heck he wants.

  • DeElizabethan

    Scott and Karry. My, what you went through with the RP scene. Thank you for telling us on this video and hope to hear more of it. Meanwhile so happy you are out and to be completely free from this bad adventure’s effects. I can understand how Karry wanted to help Scott and they didn’t let it happen, just put her away with their lies.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    I’ve have been inappropriately lighthearted in past comments, but this video has made me furious! This is becoming more and more REAL to me. THESE PEOPLE MUST BE STOPPED BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!

    • BY ANY MEANS MORALLY AND LEGALLY DEFENSIBLE, I think you mean.

      No charge, have a nice day.

      • Bradley Greenwood

        If I must…

    • aquaclara

      Yes. Yes. Yes. It makes me furious, too. These videos have a building effect – and now we’re boiling over. AGP and Karen and Scott and Karry are heros, nope not lunch. They are true HEROES for this.
      And as far as the lighthearted comments go, at least you commented. I am stuck in amongst the comments, truly wandering. I got lost in tangents and links today, plus work, and now finding my way back.
      We need emergency lighting to help navigate through the Bunker now!!!!

    • MissCandle

      This particular video, seen the day after watching the video released by the three Cleveland kidnapping victims, made the situation all too real for me too. Where’s Shelly?/

      • Bradley Greenwood

        The third girl, that was brutally beaten, unseen until that video, was hard to witness. I am still physically ill thinking about the obvious physical and psychological trauma she’ll have to live with always ๐Ÿ™

        • MissCandle

          And the comparisons between the perpetrators make me sick as well. The Cleveland sicko versus the “pretty” medical doctor who administered that brain-damage causing cocktail of drugs to Scott. And that’s not even counting the guards who got their thrills by trying to induce Scott to “fly” off the tall building in a single bound.

  • nottrue

    the indies cant wait to try it. oh my. like i say dump the church dump the tech dump hubbard

  • stateofcircle

    I think just like The Brainwashing Manual, L. Ron used a pseudonym when writing about Super Power…

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    Afternoon, folks. I need a Bunker Rundown. I am stuck in a Comment Reading Incident… I am always behind, always stressed. While sitting at work meetings, I am noodling with the phone under the table, trying to see what’s going on. I’m not sure what my previous incident is, but I need some help here.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Indies Koon published Super Power issues which he helped Hub compile. It’s all lower bridge boring stuff. Predicting Public Will Blow A Volcano.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        No… I meant help in dealing with the Comment Reading Incident in general. I can’t seem to blow the Bunker charge!

        Even though I am kvetching here, I want to thank all of the exe’s who provide the content for Tony’s daily postings, and to all of the exes who comment. I know it must be incredibly difficult to relive all of that as you detail your experiences. But, know that you are shining a light on that mass pit of darkness, one that hopefully will help others to understand and to ignite them too.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          I hear that lots of popcorn, tacos and adult beverages of your choice has helped others.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I resemble that remark…..

            • DeElizabethan

              I want some too!

        • DeElizabethan

          Thank you, plus it helps everyone of the ex’s to express thru writing, sometimes relive but better understand what’s for real. and I have to say the Bunkerittes have a great head on their shoulders to hear all this stuff and help others.
          Luv your kvetching too!

        • sharon brown

          Amen !

  • PreferToBeAnon2

    If this garish monstrosity is a block long, how in the hell will it be maintained? That is, are there enough Sea Org and staff out there to even keep the place up for appearances?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      “If this garish monstrosity is a block long, how in the hell will it be maintained? ”

      With caution tape!!!

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        rofl!

      • dbloch7986

        I have a feeling that Miscavige is going to order all Scientologists to move to Clearwater, FL and hole up inside this monstrosity. That way everyone can be Sea Org members and produce children to their heart’s content. They will sell off all other Scientology-owned buildings and Clearwater, FL will become the Jonestown of Scientology.

        They might even build a giant wall around the city to prevent unauthorized entry and then secede from the union as all non-Scientologists quickly vacate the area.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I think if they thought they could get away with the giant wall around downtown…they would have already done it.
          Creepy place is creepy!

          • dbloch7986

            Never underestimate Scientology: it’s always worse than you think.

          • Captain Howdy

            If they could have built a wall like this, COB would be a happy clam

          • dbloch7986

            See below

        • sharon brown

          Too creepy , the smell of desperation! I see it “clearly”….

        • DeElizabethan

          I agree and have thought that myself on your first paragraph. For the future I just hope they will all go to their bubble space ship and leave earth alone. We have enough problems and don’t need their insane control. I like your idea too and I’ll be watching from wherever.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          Using Jonestown and Scientology in the same sentence scares the hell out of me.

          • dbloch7986

            Same here PTBA2. But the way that things have been evolving, It seems like Miscavige has been doing his best to weed out all of flip-floppers. This way he can narrow down the list to the truly dedicated and bring them together in unison.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          He might as well at this point, Derek! If he does, I don’t care what we have to do, we’re moving.

        • They’re not going to build a giant wall around Clearwater :-P. It’s a real city with real people, the vast majority of whom are not Scientologists. It’s also a tourist destination, and again, the vast majority of tourists have nothing to do with Scientology.

          Scientology is NOT popular in Clearwater. It’s probably more unpopular in Clearwater than in any other place on Earth.

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            If you ever restless, I suggest listening the old Clearwater hearings on youtube. They are amazing. I believe Nibbs even testified.

          • DeElizabethan

            You are soooo right Lilira. Since I live there, I know a little and must always keep the guard up.
            Since they made the main Highway 60 by-pass downtown to the beach, it made a difference too.

            • aquaclara

              The bypass to the beach did make a difference. people ca n leave the beach without being harasse. of,course, theyb can still pull off, take a picture or two, and then leave. (Losing your tail).

        • Phil McKraken

          Scientology already has its Jonestown. It’s Gold/Int.

        • MissCandle

          I hope they all take their gas masks or have enough plastic sheeting and duct tape.

      • sharon brown

        There’s always shrubs ! Hopefully the words Scientology will one day only be in history books !

        • stateofcircle

          First you must find… another shrubbery! Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here, beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle. Then, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forrest… with… a herring!

          • PreferToBeAnon2
            • dbloch7986

              I love that movie!

              “You mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!”

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAy4zULKFDU

            • Robert Eckert

              I fart in your general direction! Now go away, or I shall taunt you for a second time!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Got shrubs!

              Oh wait, Nix Shrubs!

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              So I briefly ran to the store to satisfy my Mexican cravings for tonight’s dinner and had a spontaneous cog on that! (oh god, did I just say that?) That was quite the expression the clerk had as he watched me cackle while fishing for my wallet.

            • sharon brown

              Do the duplicates count ?
              Can they even use photoshopped people ? Lmao !

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              Now that it is the middle of the night and I have refreshed my browser I just saw that you had pics there… never mind about my comment below. That nixes my cog, for sure! I thought you meant something else… ummm…. errrrrr…

              Folks, mention in your post somehow that there is a picture there! Dicksus doesn’t always show it! I can always tell Hole’s because there is a link. And besides, I am still gunshy from Bury who keeps sneaking that pod pic in to enterbulate me.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Shrubs…we got shrubs. With cameras in them.
          Whoopee!!!

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        Hey, maybe that Running Program (cause resurgence, yeah right) floor is connected to some kind of machine underdeath that cranks something or other (not an engineer talking here) and supplies the power for the building?

        When I look at the picture now (drawings) I can’t help think how appropriate the last quacker some scientologist will do is running in a cirlce with no end.

        http://i41.tinypic.com/2ljqip2.jpg

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Hey, maybe they are generating power?
          Lets say the orange pole is really a copper rod.
          Go ahead Davey…grab that rod!
          It will be warmer than the Van Allen belt.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Doesn’t just looking at that picture make you queasy, or just me?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              It is not just you. It is way too much like a dystopian, film noir, Logans Run type thing….

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              logan’s run, that’s it!

        • sugarplumfairy

          When I first saw the picture of this last year, I couldn’t help but think it would be kinda cool to run in a place like that.. That being said, knowing it was designed by co$, I would assume that the odd lighting, or the air you breathe while you run, or the sound waves, or the track itself were rigged to turn me into an exclamation spewing, money-making, bull-baiting zombie..

        • grundoon

          It’s a horizontal hamster wheel!

    • dbloch7986

      There aren’t even enough Scientologists left to fill that building to max capacity.

    • DeElizabethan

      Each member, slave has at least two hats (jobs) and they do cleaning in and outside as part of their posts. So besides those on RPF doing the dirtier work, they will maintain it. How long, and to what degree, who knows. The city watches them too.

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        The FSM email that Rinder had up recently, said Miscavige stated he now had 100 people stationed in Super Power as maintenance crew. I’d love to interview the guy who’s in charge of maintaining the oiliness table, the pain machine and ooooooh, isn’t their a hormone contraption? hahaha

        • DeElizabethan

          Ha, ha. And this is before they start actually using them. It should be a blast when they do have to maintain them. Greasy, oily slaves.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            Betcha anything he doesn’t have the spacey ride contraptions yet. I mean, all this fuss is just for the Garcia case. He has once again come up with a device to make the runway to Super Power another long, grinding expensive route,with a whole slew of prerequisites, even for OT 7’s and 8’s (because really, most of those who hold the credit cards and trust funds are already up the bridge, like for the 3rd time!). He’s given himself at least another year, and then probably will fall back on Oh, not enough staff…

            • DeElizabethan

              A couple of years ago I talked with someone who should know. Asked him why that large hole in the north side was there so very long. He explained that the mutt changed his plans and a new machine too large for the doors wasn’t arriving. Finally I guess they got it and closed the hole or the city made them do it. Who knows what’s true.

            • PreferToBeAnon2

              For the Garcia case, I wonder if he is going to say that he technically has it open… I heard that some GAT II training is going on in the basement

            • DeElizabethan

              All some one has to do is go there and watch. No one goes in/out those doors. Hey maybe they have an underground tunnel? Nah, the city would know. The above walkover you see no one either.

  • stateofcircle

    There is no way I am reading this, and I feel very badly for Tony and anyone else that attempts it. I did however attempt to skim the end to find/figure out the End Phenomena. I couldn’t. All joking aside, what is the EP of this whole process and the EP’s of the smaller processes such as the Oiliness Table or that weird spinning gyroscope-like contraption?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      EP=EX Scientologist

      • DeElizabethan

        Perfect! That’s another reason he won’t open it up until he fears less or has every penny. Ain’t gonna happen.

      • Snake Plissken

        That is the only thing Scientology has managed to successfully produce and sometimes it can’t even get that right.

  • Snake Plissken

    I doubt the remaining chumps really care, anyone who was expecting Scientology to be anything other than a roleplaying game is long gone. All they want is their Super Powers Bracelet so they can pretend to have fake Super Power in the fake world of Scientology.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      Well put!

      “All they want is their Super Powers Bracelet so they can pretend to have fake Super Power in the fake world of Scientology.”

  • dbloch7986

    I am so sorry you’ve had to go through all this Scott and Karry. No one should suffer the way you have. I sincerely hope that you are living a happier and more rewarding life now than you ever were in Scientology.

    As far as the newly incorporated “Milestone Two”: you’re looking at the new incarnation of CSI. I can’t wait until these two entities battle it out in court. It’s going to be entertaining as ever.

    I’m sure you’re looking forward to the unfolding of this feud as much as we are, Tony. Although I can’t believe your fingers aren’t bleeding considering all the content you’ve been flooding the interwebz with.

  • 1subgenius

    Super Power will be converted into a theme park when the cult collapses.
    I, for one, want to go on that gyro-spinny thing.
    Poor Davey can’t go because you have to be “this” tall to get on.

  • dbloch7986

    I just wanted to add, as a new comment so it’s not overlooked:

    Speaking from experience and having done some casual research on Jonestown: Scientology possesses the potential to become such a cult. When I was on my way out in 2012 things were getting worse. Pressure was coming down on all sides from all of Scientology onto individual Scientologists. They were being required to become more active and put more time and money into the cult than ever.

    Eventually the only ones who are left will be the unwavering and completely dedicated few. Anyone besides those who truly believe will not be able to put up with the harassment.

    • Snake Plissken

      MIscavige isn’t crazy, when it’s time to pull the plug, he’ll close his briefcase and catch a ride to the airport to live off the fortune he extracted from the cult. He’ll spend the rest of his days drinking cocktails on the beach and laughing at the idiots who made it all possible.

      • dbloch7986

        Snake, considering the irrational way he behaves, it’s likely that he is truly a believer of his own bullshit. Cognitive dissonance is a BITCH.

        • Snake Plissken

          He saw firsthand how utterly fucked-up Hubbard was. He’s known it’s nothing but a con game long before he made that silly Hubbard discarded his body to continue his research speech 30+ years ago.

          This is all about power for Miscavige.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            And…”Power is assumed!” -David Miscavige

            • DeElizabethan

              Yes, like he saw a god and wanted to be a bigger one.

            • FistOfXenu

              He’s always wanted to be a bigger some thing. I don’t think he cared what.

              PS- hey, that coding stuff really works.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            I agree.

          • dbloch7986

            You would think the leader of Jonestown would not have believed his bullshit either. But when push came to shove, rather than get caught he organized the mass suicide of 100s of people. Miscavige is the same type of sociopath with the same pathological control over people.

            • Robert Eckert

              The difference is that Jones was genuinely delusional, as well as psychopathic. I think Snake is saying that Miscavige, however “sick” his personality, is not deluded. He knows it’s all bullshit and will not go down with the ship, rather he will bail with his pile of money when that seems the safer course– I don’t know whether that is the correct take on him or not, but it is a plausible one.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        “MIscavige isn’t crazy,”
        Really? To me, ummm yeah… he is.

        • Snake Plissken

          He’s a world class douchebag, and he likes to test the loyalty of the idiots who allow it, but he’s not crazy, he just a typical pussy with a major napoleon complex who gets off on degrading people. Nothing that a few good ass beatings and prison rapings couldn’t fix.

          • TheHoleDoesNotExist

            You forgot gambler.

          • dbloch7986

            Snake, why would he test the loyalty of people unless he had a reason?

            • ze moo

              The dwarfenfรผrher has a Stalinist attitude. He messes with anyone who could challenge him and puts the fear of DM into the rest to ensure loyalty and obedience. The ‘tech’ is just an excuse to elevate him to godhood. His belief in the ‘tech’ is irrelevant. Its power that gets his nipples hard…..

            • Captain Howdy

              Stalin didn’t give a shit about communism. Some of the top Nazis didn’t believe in National Socialism.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          So which of his personality disorders (and there are many) will be the “alpha”?

          I think that is the real question….

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      Is DM really a believer–that Command Intention would be that it’s time to check out and meet at Target Two or something? Or, will he be a sniveling little piece of mucous and abscond to a remote part of the world with the cash? Show of hands…

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Cash, Caribbean!

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          Columbian casinos (or Costa Rica)

      • dbloch7986

        His irrational behavior suggests that he is a true believer of his own bullshit. If he was going to abscond with cash he wouldn’t be blowing it all on real estate.

        • PreferToBeAnon2

          I think he might HAVE to do something with all of the cash that has accumulated to be in compliance with the IRS tax-exempt status. Real estate, in this case, serves three purposes: (1) keeps the tax exemption, (2) keeps fooling the KA drinkers of expansion, and (3) keeps the donation boondoggle thing going.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          But he isn’t, Derek. He gets the public and staff to come up with the cash and labor and he has the title! It’s all gravy, except for initial broker fees and architectural work.

          • dbloch7986

            Good point. I do stand by my statement, however. I am not convinced that Miscavige is a non-believer.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              Now you’ve got me wondering again. Oop, nahhhh.

      • N. Graham

        I think he drinks the kool-aid but also thinks he is a big being and qualified to change or “improve” the tech.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          the only thing he is improving is his Cash/Expense ratios. It’s rehashed garbage warmed over as for as bridge stuff, and now mostly free money, IAS, and free assets (buildings). He’s weeded out the fanatics with money left over. He learned long ago that they will buy anything, do anything for Super Powers. Most of the wealthy have been around for decades and Know that he is per Hubbard policy committing out tech over and over. They don’t care. And their kids don’t know the tech at all. It’s gravy train.

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            That’s what I am wondering about… they want it so much that they will accept this placebo, convincing themselves that they are benefiting from Scientology’s Shit Sugar Pill.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              When most of the forums and blogs started buzzing about the framed pictures of Big Donors replacing pictures of Top Auditors in the long hallway of the Sandcastle (where members get their OT Level auditing), I heard eventually they were taken down because it had become public.

              Too late! You see, the OT’s walking down that hall should have insisted they put back the auditor pictures, but they didn’t. They should have been incensed, but they weren’t. That’s when I knew.

          • Captain Howdy

            He’s a sadistic runt that enjoys the power he has over his followers. He’s Bill Mummy in the Twilight Zone. Soon as her starts losing potential case after case down the pike..he’s out of there.

            • TheHoleDoesNotExist

              agreed. His Legal Armor is getting plugged with holes. He’s a Cowardly sadistic runt.

          • sharon brown

            Gravy train of pain too. I just don’t understand how he gets away with it , I know but no comprende’ . Anybody know what’s going on with the Narconon credit fraud case .

      • Captain Howdy

        Run. I met Jim Jones and David Miscavige is no Jim Jones. Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

      • sharon brown

        I vote sniveling little piece of mucous that absconds ! * hands up *

    • N. Graham

      After watching today’s Scott video makes it even more believable. “Sure is a long way down.”

      • dbloch7986

        And don’t forget that Scientology has been surviving the death of its founder for two and a half decades. Many of the people still in have been around since the beginning.

    • GSioux

      Thank you. I feel the potential for Scientology to ‘go out’ in a devastating manner. Knowing one individual who remains ‘in’ at this point, I totally believe any demise will be messy in a devastating way.

    • Spackle Motion

      Marty Rathbun has made similar statements about those left in Scientology potentially meeting the same fate as Jonestown. That’s the only thing he’s ever said that I believe completely.

      Scientology is headed toward a meltdown, and it seems that the ones that are brave enough to seek the truth are the ones falling out as it continues to meltdown. What will be left are those that are too scared to seek the truth and will go down with the ship. It is up to law enforcement authorities to prevent another Jonestown, but as we’ve seen with any US law authority they are equally scared to be brave.

      • Bella Legosi

        I was watching “Third Reich. The Fall” this morning and towards the end they discussed the mass suicides that occurred before the Red Army really took control over Berlin. I think they pointed out that those who committed suicide could not handle living in a world where Germany would again be subjugated by the world (however, I do believe A LOT of the suicides were due to what the Red Army had been doing to citizens) But, in a way I see the same type of thinking occurring in the heaviest of the Co$ kool aid drinkers.

        I am 50/50 on the prospect of some sort of Jonestown mass suicide. In a way I don’t see thousands of $cientologists going to “Target 2” without first reaching the level in which to even entertain the thought of going to Target 2. But, when your belief system is facing extinction who is to say they wont snuff it? I have always believed that messing with a devout persons belief system is not only an initial tool to control them, but also a breaker of minds and hearts.

        • Spackle Motion

          Bella, while I don’t believe there will be a Jonestown level of mass suicide, there will be many that do this as to your point regarding the Germans. But there may be quite a few at one facility that do this (Gold Base, for example) I believe that many will run out the gate when others are doing this.

          It is very much a possibility.

          • Bella Legosi

            Yeah, there were survivors of Jonestown who saw the crazy and booked it to the jungle. But the scary part for those at Int is the fences. Even if they wanted to get away they would have a hell of a time doing so. But, I can see some hardcore drinkers cashing in that Target 2 ticket should this crash and burn.

  • 0tessa

    Everything in Scientology is about (the power of) the ‘thetan’, the ego, the super-ego.
    But what about the HEART …? Where is love?
    If I had to choose, I’d choose the teachings of Jezus.
    I’d choose the heart at all times.

    • DeElizabethan

      Where is the love? It’s veiled, hidden, suppressed in ‘Affinity’ which is a liking to a degree. Nowhere is love or heart found in this cult and those members or slaves cannot see or feel it. The biggest counter-suit to them being a religion. A body without a heart! The Bunker has a heart, let alone the truth.

      • PreferToBeAnon2

        and good snacks.

        • 0tessa

          And, above all, humor.

  • 0tessa

    This Super Power building looks like a temple – the Temple of Deception.

  • N. Graham

    I just want everyone to know I just finished reading and applying Dan Koon’s posting and am now enjoying my super-powers! The first one to develop was super-ventriloquism, one I always envied Superman for. I think I might be developing X-Ray vision also because the Beatles’s song “I’m Looking Through You” keeps running through my head. And my mind-reading powers are exploding! Hey! I “heard” that!

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      let us know if you start wearing tights and a cape, hon!

      • FistOfXenu

        Oh hell, not another guy with his underpants on the outside.

    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      That wasn’t me, that was Bury! Needs some fine tuning.

      What we Really want to know: Where does the oil go and what do you do with it?

      • N. Graham

        You take the oil and use your super art skills to draw an oil painting of yourself in your spiffy superhero costume. Ya, I know, I thought it would be more complicated than that too.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I think you have a missed withhold!

        • sugarplumfairy

          Why am I thinking Feshbach?

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            don’t go there

  • BuryTheNuts2

    I finally figured out the EP of that bunch of dreck!
    It was that stick of candy, I want a stick of candy…”that is a real goal!”
    LRH said so.

  • dagobarbz

    “Earlier this year, Luis and Rocio Garcia filed a federal fraud lawsuit
    against the Church of Scientology, alleging that the Super Power
    Building was specifically used to fleece them of many thousands of
    dollars.”

    Yeah, it’s so cute when they figure out the SPs weren’t lying after all…

    • PreferToBeAnon2

      The Garcia’s were to have paid for the big signage… I wonder if donors were solicited for specific things inside the building. Can you imagine the big whales having this conversation:

      Whale 1: I paid for the Smelliness Wall

      Whale 2: So out tech! I am responsible for the whole Fear area.
      Whale 3: The both of you, DBs! I not only bought the Oiliness Table, but I will keep it perpetually filled!

      • dagobarbz

        Moderately Sized Dolphin: I’m in charge of all the doorknobs!

      • aquaclara

        In November, I saw large vats of cooking oil at BJs for those who needed it to deep-fry their Thanksgiving turkey or turducken. Comes in handy for pig roasts, too. I guess they could go to BJ’s.

        But what a mess to clean up.

      • Phil McKraken

        This is starting to look like “The Producers” kind of scenario…

        Whale 1: I paid for the Smelliness Wall
        Whale 2: I paid for the Smelliness Wall
        Whale 3: I paid for the Smelliness Wall

        3 schmucks in a tub: Hey, we’re PTS!

        • sugarplumfairy

          Yep!

  • Illinoisian

    Just noticed that COS has an ad at the top of the page that features the Advanced Bonewit’s Cult Danger Evaluation Frame.

    http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html

    • Captain Howdy

      According to my score, CofS scored a 10 on everyone except “sexual favoritism”

      • Illinoisian

        Yes, my thought, too. High rating on every one except that.

  • Jeb Burton

    If DM finally opens the Super Power building, Is the Garcia’s lawsuit moot? I dont feel any sympathy for the Garcias. They are still scientologists, and rich and stupid enough to give these shysters thousands of dollars. As a Clearwate resident, I hope these whales spend a little bit of their money to pump up our local economy. But that is unlikely. Scientologists dont vacation like normal people.

    • DeElizabethan

      Please keep reading us Jeb. So much to learn and to find any questions answered.

    • Sunny Sands

      Carol Nyburg was a hotel reservations clerk for Flag who has now left Co$. She said it’s almost mandatory that those coming to Clearwater for services secure accommodations that are church owned. They do try to keep the money within scientology.

    • aquaclara

      Hi, Jeb. Nice to hear of someone else from Clearwater. I don’t live there now, but I grew up there, and still visit. I also worked in downtown Clearwater when much of this began.

      Here’s my take: the Scilons don’t add to the economy in Clearwater at all. Since they landed, they have taken some 60+ buildings off the tax roll, harassed and put out of business many small business owners in the downtown area, up Cleveland and even Gulf-to-Bay.

      I remember the threats and rumors, followed by another business forced out of business. Sometimes it was for the land, but sometimes it was just because someone attempted to speak out. Stores and other reasons for people to shop in downtown Clearwater closed up, partially because it was intimidating to go there. Now, downtowns have suffered for other reasons, too, I realize, but just as St Pete and Dunedin are enjoying a revival, Clearwater is deprived of that.

      Businesses have formed elsewhere, intentionally avoiding the city because of the presence of the cult.

      And when a Presley, Michael Jackson, Travolta or Cruise was in town, they were in, and then out. None of the businesses owned by non-Scilons saw them or benefited.

      The downtown hotels were largely purchased by the Scilons, so these are no longer available to tourists who do love the Gulf Coast beaches. If you stay on the beach, it’s a little pricier. Or go up to US 19 – but that’s a bit of a drive.

      Staff at Flag don’t typically buy cars, buy homes, purchase insurance or even go to the dentist, so many of these services are no longer downtown anyway. Non-Scilon businesses aren’t often used, and when they are, I have heard that bills may not be paid on time or sometimes ever.

      Forgive me for this if it sounds like a rant. My dog is waiting for dinner, and I am typing fast! I hope you’ll comment often, because there are lots of things taking place now that can be watched and documented. Oh, and if the SP building ever does open..maybe you could snap some photos!. Thanks….

      • TheHoleDoesNotExist

        and add to this the bulging list of bankruptcies and foreclosures which have affected business and residents in the entire county.

        • aquaclara

          Four bankruptcies from Denise and company alone- so I do wonder what the total was. I know anecdotally of two others without even trying to look.

  • Captain Howdy

    There was someone protesting outside the courthouse today in support of Boston bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, and he was wearing…a Guy Fawkes mask!!!

    • sugarplumfairy

      I saw that.. And his sign had a picture of a guy fawkes mask.. Does he realize Anon was involved with catching Tsarnaev?

      • Captain Howdy

        They were? Got a link?

        • sugarplumfairy

          No.. I just remember watching online that Friday.. Pictures of the Tsarnaevs in the crowd were being isolated, enhanced and shared.. Maybe I’m wrong..

          • Captain Howdy

            Yeah, I kind of remember that also.

            • sugarplumfairy

              I’ve just been looking around tho.. Looks like I’m wrong.. Never mind.. =)

            • Robert Eckert

              I remember at the time seeing the Reddit crowd go wild over analyzing the case: they were at least partially responsible for falsely accusing the track star from India and his coach (who got smeared on the front page of the Post), tried to connect it to a local kid who had gone missing a couple weeks earlier and had a family Facebook page pleading for info (his body was finally found drowned, evidently a suicide), and mass-circulated the video of the poor guy who was stripped naked by the cops to make sure he wasn’t carrying bombs. I would not be surprised if some Anon groups also engaged in similar amateur-detective gymnastics.

            • Sherbet

              I’d hate to see Anonymous supporting all underdogs, including ones who most definitely are guilty of the crimes of which they are accused. I call Tsarnaev an underdog, because both brothers saw themselves as persecuted along with all Muslims.

      • BuryTheNuts2
    • TheHoleDoesNotExist

      wot??

      • Captain Howdy

        Well he didn’t look like your typical anon, but he did look like he might belong to another group that starts with “A”.

        • Spackle Motion

          He was “doin it wrong”. Someone in a Gawker comment outed his identity.

          Most of those losers that were protesting are in the gov’t conspiracy crowd. It always makes me laugh when people think that the gov’t is run by intelligent people. The gov’t is run by DMV workers. True fact.

          • Bella Legosi

            lol you know it was that realization that made me step way way back from the conspiracy theory stuff and take a second look! Great point!

          • PreferToBeAnon2

            ” It always makes me laugh when people think that the gov’t is run by
            intelligent people. The gov’t is run by DMV workers. True fact.”

            I am going to try and give a respectful response here. As someone who has spent 30 years working with the Federal government in DC (almost every agency and every branch of the military), I am going to take strong exception to that. There are thousands of hard-working, caring people who try to make this thing go. Many who risk their lives. I find that general statement insulting. True fact.

            Elected officials, on the other hand, are another matter entirely.

  • Leslie Stipe

    I have to commend those that were in $cientology, not because of the beliefs but the fact of how much time and effort you put in it. You really had to be dedicated. That is why I could never be in $cientology, it’s just too much work!!! I’m a bargain shopper. I want the most for the least amount. Also, “organized religion” scares the hell out of me which I guess serves its purpose. I ain’t savin’ the world or anyone for that matter. I can barely save my cat from eating the wrapper off my white chocolate truffles (of which I’m allowed 2 each night if I’ve been good all day).

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    The return of Skip got me thinking, whatever happened to The Next Mrs. Tom Cruise?

    • Captain Howdy

      Ask her cousin.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Oh yeah! Hey cuz, where’s TNMTC?

        • sugarplumfairy

          She discovered something called ogame a few months ago.. If she’s not working, eating or dating, she’s playing ogame..

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            This? http://www.ogame.us/

            She’s given herself delusions of grandeur. Even LRH didn’t claim to conquer the universe. Well, in any case, tell her the Bunkerites miss her.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              It is her strategy for snaring Tom Cruise! (and will also let her figure out where to jettison him to when she is ready).

              Like a practice run….

            • sugarplumfairy

              Yep.. Whatever you do, don’t open an acct.. Your family will never see you again..

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              I have a naughty idea. Is it easy to find players on there? What if we all sign up with famous Scilon names and phrases as our usernames in the game and stalk her on there? That’d be a whole lot of fun enturbulation!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That is flipping funny!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              If there’s one thing I like more than J&D, it’s playing practical jokes on people. I love planning these kinds of things.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Lol.. Her ingame name is Empress and she’s playing in uni IO (I as in Irene and O as in Orlando..). I know because she talked me into playing a few months ago and I didn’t sleep for two weeks.. I had to do an intervention on myself..

    • media_lush

      always worth another look:

      http://youtu.be/xZzczBTa8rI

    • aquaclara

      Yes-where is she???? Come back.we miss you.

  • deanblair

    If it spoils David Miscavige’s day I am all for it. He has spoiled many a persons day many many times.

  • media_lush

    just came across this pic…. thought I’d share

    • media_lush

      incidentally I also have an explicit photo of him shagging Juliet Lewis…. I mean 100% hardcore… I might post it on my bollocks blog in a few days

    • Captain Howdy

      Hey! He’s wearing a Christian Death t-shirt. Cool.

    • Phil McKraken

      Hey, citibike! Great photo. I like the matching red hat and shirt thing your auditor has going there.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Is it just me, or is their something oddly similar between holding the cans and a man ‘holding one’s self’… if you get my drift?

      • FistOfXenu

        LRH was fascinated by “holding one’s self”, if you get MY drift, so no surprises there.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        That’s why the cans are offered in a variety of sizes.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    The “My Disqus” notification window seems to be stuck in an electronic incident. No matter what I do, it shows me that I have 2 new, unread replys. I’ve read them like a dozen times now in all different fashions. Clicking through the notification link, navigating directly there, whatever. Gettin’ pissed off now, plus new, real notifications are not showing up even if I refresh the browser.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Have you smacked it?

    • Observer

      I’ve had one since December.

      • Robert Eckert

        I always have 99 notifications. Sometimes new ones appear, sometimes just the same old ones.

    • Missionary Kid

      {It’s the next life of the Hub. He’s Baaaak.} (Thank goodness he’s not, but it’s a horror story.)

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Oh damn, it’s like HAL9000, but instead HUB9000. He talks to DM.

        HUB9000: “I’m sorry Dave, I can’t do that.”
        DM: “Open the Supa Powa doors HUB!”
        HUB9000: “That would be a critical mistake for the mission, Dave”
        DM: “Open the god-damn doors HUB or I’ll remove the Kool E-cig from your USB port!”

        • Missionary Kid

          Somehow, I can visualize that as happening, although I see HUB 9000 would use a serial port.or, at best, a USB 1.0 port, because $cientology never is up on the latest tech.

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Fair enough, how bout a nice tube socket?

            • Missionary Kid

              That seems about right for $cientology retrotech.

  • media_lush

    ouch!

    • media_lush

      and if that isn’t in your face enough the regular media no longer care…. how about this as the latest headline story about him from the Daily Mail:

      “He’s still got the fever! John Travolta looks positively giddy as he dances with shirtless surfers on the beach in Rio”

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2359745/John-Travolta-looks-positively-giddy-dances-shirtless-surfers-beach-Rio.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

      … I don’t know why he stays in the closet…. everybody knows and nobody cares….

      • Robert Eckert
        • media_lush

          I’ve often thought that one of the greatest Hollywood stars biographies [assuming she actually told the truth] would be Kelly Preston’s…. married to JT…. previously long term girlfriend of Charlie Sheen [the gun incident] and before that George Clooney…. I just can’t quite figure how her hardcore scientologyness fitted in there….

        • L. Wrong Hubturd

          That’s so nice. JT looks happy as a clam. Now a bearded clam.

      • Anonymookme

        What in hell is growing on his chin?

        • Captain Howdy

          He duplicated himself and got some pube velcro on his chin.

      • DodoTheLaser

        But, but he just was in Killing Season… Such a manly character, I think…

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    My hindsight take on Superpower, is that Miscavige has catered to the rich Scientologists, and glitz sells to the rich, they like their settings all sparkling and they like their pampering.

    The Flag Land Base new “Flag” or Superpower building is just a great setting for the super placebo effect, like you said Tony.

    The Superglitz building seems preferable to the barebones freebie internet “Superpower” pseudo-therapy and exercise program, that the barebones Indie Scientologists would give each other for free.

    Scientology hasn’t made any superpeople yet (orthodox corporate or Indie). That will continue to hit them both in the chin, as has been the case forever in Scientology history. No OTs, no Superpeople.

    Too bad the money Scientology is skimming out of society, isn’t going back into society in a better fashion, rather than to the bullion in the safes on the Freewinds, or in the underground vault sites that CST runs.

    Maybe the Freewinds will now attract some high tech criminal team that pulls off a major heist of the IAS stash of cash on the Freewinds!

    • Bella Legosi

      “Maybe the Freewinds will now attract some high tech criminal team that pulls off a major heist of the IAS stash of cash on the Freewinds!”

      >D

      {Don’t encourage me!}

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        We need Capt’n Jack Sparrow, stat!

        • Bella Legosi

          No no no……..we need a classic pirate! One who commands fear into the hearts of all who lay eyes upon him!

          “They’ll have to kill me before I die!”

          “The pirate Yellowbeard captured many other galleons, killing over five-hundred men in cold blood. He would tear the captains hearts out and swallow them whole. Often forcing his victims to eat their own lips, he was caught and imprisoned… for tax evasion.”

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            You win.

    • George Layton

      Ethan Hunt could pull that off.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Good one!
        Mission Impossible, indeed.
        Or is it?

        I want to see TC in two years (or less) on David Letterman’s show,
        going along with disparaging scientology jokes and trying to laugh them off,
        may be not so maniacally though.

  • chuckbeattyexseaorg75to03

    To me, this comparing of the Indie Scientologist options, versus the corporate Scientology options, makes me think that it is more logical to try to stick with the big corporate church, and reform it, as hard as that task might be.

    Because buildings for doing Scientology, have a kind of logic, even if they are overly opulent and weird looking and weirdly designed.

    Central gathering spaces, for periodic periods of concentrated pseudo-therapy, which must be delivered by one person to another person, the only more convenient way of doing that, is the “Field Auditor” (travelling pseudo-therapist) method.

    The running around the pole, Cause Resurgence Rundown, I guess your visiting “Field Auditor” (pseudo-therapist) could coach you through this exercise in your back yard, or a nearby public park, but it’s more fun in a whole weird building, if you ask me.

    • Bella Legosi

      In a way the buildings can be used to centralize and control content and information; as well as oversee Auditors to make sure they are not going off in some type of “squirrel” territory. Also, if Co$ were to mandate that tomorrow Field Auditors were to be disbanded or relegated only to Orgs, that would mean that $cientologists could no longer practice in the comfort of their own home.

      The lady I worked for at the mental foster home used and employed her Field Auditor and what I witnessed there was despicable. I don’t know for sure if the field auditor knew that my boss was practicing and introducing her clients to “tech”, but this field auditor did schedule psyche appointments for the guys and dispensed psych meds to them. It makes me wonder just how different this experience would have been had my boss been forced to do her auditing at an Org.

      Never thought about that until now! Thanks for the post!

  • Harlequin

    “But if Freedom has no anatomy, then please explain how one is going to attain to something which cannot be fully explained.
    If anyone talks about a “road to Freedom” he is talking about a linear line. This, then, must have boundaries. If there are boundaries there is no freedom.”
    L Ron Hubbard
    Dianetics 55 -Trapped

    “Life is a game. A game consists of FREEDOM, BARRIERS and PURPOSES.
    This is a scientific fact, not merely an observation.

    Freedom exists among barriers. A totality of barriers and a totality of freedom alike are no-game conditions. Each is similarly cruel. Each is similarly purposeless.

    Great revolutionary movements fail. They promise unlimited freedom. That is the road to failure. Only stupid visionaries chant of endless freedom. Only the afraid and the ignorant speak of and insist upon unlimited barriers..”

    “An endless freedom from is a perfect trap, a fear of all things … Fixed on too many barriers, man yearns to be free. But launched into total freedom he is purposeless and miserable.”

    L Ron Hubbard
    The Reason Why

    “Scientology is a religious philosophy in its highest meaning as it brings man to Total Freedom.”

    L. Ron Hubbard
    Religious Philosophy and Religious Practice

    “Freedom from” is all right only so long as there is a place to be free TO. An endless desire for “freedom from” is a perfect trap, a fear of all things.

    Barriers are composed of inhibiting (limiting) ideas, space, energy, masses and time. Freedom in its entirety would be a total absence of these things — but it would also be a freedom without thought or action, an unhappy condition of total nothingness.

    Fixed on too many barriers, man yearns to be free. But launched suddenly into total freedom he is purposeless and miserable. He needs a gradient.

    There is *freedom* amongst barriers. If the barriers are known and the freedoms are known there can be life, living, happiness, a game.”

    The Reason Why
    L Ron Hubbard

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      At least he got that one right.

      “Only stupid visionaries chant of endless freedom.”

      That’s really the sick part, scattered within his mouth spew are little hints that it was all a game to him. I imagine LRH chuckling to himself every time he slipped an evil truth inside of more of his verbal landfill of words.

  • Harlequin

    Man is caught in a huge and complex labyrinth. To get out of it requires that he follow the closely-taped path of Scientology. Scientology will take him out of the labyrinth. But only if he follows the exact markings in the tunnels. It has taken me a third of a century in this lifetime to tape this route out.

    It has been proven that efforts by man to find different routes came to nothing. It is also a clear fact that the route called Scientology does lead out of the labyrinth. Therefore it is a workable system, a route that can be traveled.

    […]

    Scientology is a workable system. It white-tapes the road out of the labyrinth. If there were no white tapes marking the right tunnels, man would just go on wandering around and around the way he has for eons, darting off on wrong roads, going in circles, ending up in the sticky dark, alone.

    Scientology, exactly and correctly followed, takes the person up and out of the mess.

    […]

    Scientology is a new thingโ€”it is a road out. There has not been one. Not all the salesmanship in the world can make a bad route a proper route. And an awful lot of bad routes are being sold. Their end product is further slavery, more darkness, more misery.

    Scientology is the only workable system man has. It has already taken people toward higher IQ, better lives
    and all that. No other system has. So realize that it has no competitor. Scientology is a workable system. It has the route taped. The search is done. Now the route only needs to be walked. So put the feet of students and preclears on that route. Don’t let them off of it no matter how fascinating the side roads seem to them. And move them on up and out.

    โ€” L. Ron Hubbard
    HCO PL 14 February 1965 KSW 4 Safeguarding Technology

    • Phil McKraken

      “ending up in the sticky dark, alone”

      … like in the basement of Big Blue

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      Verbal diarrhea. But thanks for the post Har. I have a vision of Hubbarf stumbling through the hedge maze at the end of the Shining.

    • Johan

      I’m not sure why you are posting these harlequin, did you watch the scott Campbell video? Do you agree that what was done to him is a criminal act? Can you explain how any of what happened to scott “tapes” to freedom? To anyone thinking rationally it is clear that he was being broken mentally and physically. Now what, pray, could be the purpose of that?

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        Chill Johan. Har is merely showcasing Hubtards BS, not supporting it.

    • Johan

      Sorry. Haven’t had my coffee yet

    • 0tessa

      Are you perhaps trying to blow some ‘theta’ into the Bunker?

    • DodoTheLaser

      Cool story, bro (sis).

      • 0tessa

        Dodo: I am not so sure about that.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Click on H’s avy, full profile, all previous comments.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Apropos of nothing in particular, those wacky folks in the Valley have made some progress on their Ideal org.

    Behold! They have chopped down a tree! Let the fundraising begin!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And if anyone was wondering, here’s what the tree looked like. (It’s the one on the far left in this photo.)

    • L. Wrong Hubturd

      I think the tree willfully left it’s roots once it found out what was in store for it’s sector of the galaxy.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Is that really a future Ideal Org?
      Most of the cheap motels in the middle of nowhere look better…
      RIP the tree. Its a casualty that helped to expose their future failure.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        This is around the corner from the more splendiferous street view. As in, pay no attention to the cheap motel behind the curtain.

  • Bella Legosi

    Okay…..I need to get this idea off my mind! I love “The Jack Benny Program” i know that I am the only 30 year old in my group of friend who does…..I have been pondering that should they make a movie about old Jack (and am disappointed they havent yet) who would be cast? IMO here is what I have come up with:
    Jack- Kevin Spacey
    Rochester- Tracy Morgan
    (the woman who plays his frien, but who was really his wife in real life)- Lisa Kudrow
    Don Wilson- Andy Reichter…..

    K…..been wanting to share that to those who would actually appreciate it

  • edge

    I think the inevitable downfall of Scientology will come from the fact that it got away from its basic appeal: That it’s focused on you, the individual. Yes, its wrapped up in silly sci-fi therapy mumbo jumbo, and it’s a mind trap of massive proportions (Keeping Scientology Working, especially) but it it’s focus on your personal spiritual being is what makes it attractive to self-centered individuals. You don’t know if it really works, but even if it doesn’t you do know that you are the center of it. It may sound weird that you’re talking about space adventures that took place trillions of years ago as part of dealing with bad memories, but they’re all YOUR memories, so I can see why that gets people. What Scientology has done has turned that inward appeal outward to hilariously bad results. From everything I’ve read since stumbling upon the Village Voice years ago, what Scientology’s about now is raising money for buildings and projects that aren’t for you but for “the planet”. Let’s be honest, spending big coin on something for “the planet” isn’t nearly as fun as spending big coin on something for yourself, no matter how important Scientology tries to make it sound. A hundred grand for a session of moving and talking to an ashtray might not seem like a big spend for someone if he/she truly believes it is for THEIR own immeasurable, intangible good. But a hundred grand for a fancy Ideal Org that never gets close to full? Anyone can see the tangible waste that is. What do I get out of an empty building anyway, other than buyer’s remorse? Is there a rundown for that? I’m guessing there is, and it probably costs money.

    Anyway, I can’t wait for Super Power to open. All that money spent, all that pomp and circumstance for that opening ceremony, and then all that empty space. It will be an eye-opener.

  • DodoTheLaser

    Re: Super Power – it would be so ironic, if the whole scientology con will go down because of that.

    Re: Scott and Karry Kampbell – it’s truly a heart wrenching, sole-raping, body and mind abusing experience.
    Thank you for surviving this guys and sharing it with all of us.

    This should not be happening in America or anywhere.
    More public and authorities should be informed.

  • EnthralledObserver

    This Scott and Karry Campbell story actually began to make me feel physically ill… I never thought something like that actually happened, I thought it was only metaphorical. This cult is disgusting… always worse than you think!

  • mook

    Anybody watching Ray Donovan on Showtime? There’s a character named ”Tommy Wheeler” that is based on a certain actor with the initials TC.

  • lonewolf

    a thought on stupid lack of power building… does anyone notice that stupid power building is a partial org board laid on its side? (public at bottom up to div 7 at top) i hope it fails (or should that be falls?) and mrbitch gets his comeuppance as everyone realises how done they’ve been… finally!

    btw that superpower crap is so crap its a whole new level of crap! someone call the crap removers! lol

    (soz if this is a double post, my isp engram needs a session! lol)

  • Proud to be an SP

    That is a stunning video. How could they do that to Scott? What a brave and courageous soul with a strong mind, to be fed those drugs and imprisoned in solitary confinement and encouraged to kill himself for so many months and come out intact.

  • USA MRIID

    “What unutterable secrets would be going on in that building?”

    David Miscaviage getting his rectum stretched.

    • USA MRIID

      โ€œWhere would you be safe?โ€

      Up David Miscaviage’s rectum.

  • Phil de Fontenay

    I absolutely HATE the the Church of Scientology! I HATE all those people who are still supporting these assholes. OSA are just a bunch of mindless robots much the same as the Nazis in WW2. What are you thinking? Oh that’s right, you are NOT thinking.

    Karen et al. Please don’t stop until every last soul is free of Scientology’s tyranny!

    After seeing this, I want to use my internet and social media skills to help publicize these crimes far more widely.

    The end is coming Miscavige and cronies!

  • Dave Roberts

    The worst was when they encouraged me to commit suicide, and when they mocked me for my wife’s coerced abortion.
    Does anyone need any more information to prove the fact that the church of scientology is Satanic? Or that it practices methods of mind control? Probably many of you have never heard much about Satan, or you perhaps believe that he’s a mythical figure.
    Well, consider for a minute the millennia of persecution suffered by the Jews. Their oppression goes back over 3,400 years to their imprisonment and slavery in Egypt. It was way back then that Pharaoh ordered that every Jewish male child be slaughtered as soon they were born. Around 900 years later in the empire of the Medes and Persians a highly placed leader named Haman constructed a plan to kill every Jew in the Empire. 500 years later in 70 AD the Romans tried to eliminate the Jewish people and were thought to have crucified as many as 100,000 Jews when they destroyed the 2nd Temple in Jerusalem and scattered the Jews across the world. The Spanish Inquisition was a more recent attempt initiated by the Catholic Church kill, rob and destroy the Jews. And most famously we have the German Nazi “Final Solution”, the most hideous attempt to eradicate Jews from the face of the earth, but most hideous only because we actually have film and pictures that show this slaughter as it took place.
    All the above to ask you this; do you really believe that this continuous attack against the Jews happened by coincidence? Or doesn’t it seem that this was rather a plan that has existed throughout the ages and has been unsuccessfully attempted over and over again. And who is behind this plan? The Bible tells us that a fallen angel of great power has always wanted to destroy the Jewish people for one reason – and this because God Himself loves them and has a special purpose for them.

    Satan is behind Scientology. It has all his hallmarks; brainwashing, pain and suffering, the separation of families, and above all the lie that super powers can be obtained by man that will allow him to have control over his life. All this plus belief in reincarnation are classical lies that Satan uses to keep us from the Truth.
    “It is appointed unto man to die once, and after that the judgment.” God tells us that He sent His Son, Jesus, to save us from our sins. He laid down His life voluntarily for you and me because He loves us more than we could ever fathom. He saw a treasure within each of us that was so valuable that He was willing to endure the cross to win that treasure back. The treasure was and is our spirit, the innermost part of your being. He stands at the door and knocks – open the door and ask Him in and let Him take control of your life now.
    Dave
    prophecy102.com

    • Sunny Sands

      Dave, so sorry to hear you were mistreated and mocked for your wife’s coerced abortion. I agree it is Satanic. Thanks for writing your testimony.

  • Poker Face

    Funny, I remember reading that their Super Powers program was entirely plagiarized from old Sgt Fury novels, but now *for some reason* I can’t seem to find any mention of that ….