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Scientology Sunday Funnies, Revolt in the Stars Edition!

RevoltFrontBack in March, we had fun talking with historian Jon Atack about L. Ron Hubbard’s 1977 screenplay, Revolt in the Stars. At the time he wrote it, Hubbard was hiding out in Nevada after the FBI had raided Scientology in Los Angeles and Washington. We figure it must have irked him that Star Wars was raking in the big cash while being an homage to the throwback space opera that had once been Hubbard’s bread and butter. How could he not want to cash in?

Anyway, when we discussed the screenplay earlier, the only version of it we could find on line was in treatment form, not a proper script.

Well, now we’ve managed to get our hands on the full screenplay itself (that’s the title page to the right), and it’s a real hoot.

But don’t take our word for it. We’ve found a fun text-to-speech video that turns dialogue from the first part of the film into a thrilling example of Hubbard’s cinematic skills. We look forward to your thoughts on what a great movie this would have made.

 

 
Now you can see why “Tax Revolt in the Stars” might have been a more appropriate title. Eventually, yes, Xenu blows up Earth’s inhabitants by confining them to volcanoes that he destroys with nuclear weapons, but the final showdown between Rawl and Xenu happens off camera. What a letdown.

Still, Hubbard had great confidence in the script. He did, in the introduction, say that it was as fast-paced as Star Wars and Jaws, and if shot without much alteration, would bring in as much money.

Also in the introduction, he assures potential backers that the film would not attract “protest groups,” and had been extensively tested through surveys. Here’s how he puts it…

The atmosphere of the film is extensive pageantry. Protest groups would be unlikely to find anything amiss in it as it contains very little sex, no nudity and, while its scenes contain violence, it is not of a kind that has been objected to. The motif is the consequences of oppressing populations and minorities with taxation, identity cards and all-powerful secret police and indirectly warns against what is happening in the US and world at this time, and by extensive public surveys matches the tone and interest of contemporary audiences and accordingly would attain wildfire word-of-mouth when released. It has built-in psychological factors to reinforce this. The author is writing a book to parallel it.

“Wildfire word-of-mouth.” Yes, we can just see it — “Hey, did you hear? There’s a science fiction epic that takes on the personal income tax and passports!” You just can’t get better advertising than that.

Hubbard’s no doubt correct — this thing is a slam-dunk. What’s Scientology leader David Miscavige waiting for?

While we’re celebrating Hubbard’s script, we’ll alert our Los Angeles readers about an interesting event happening at Cinefamily on June 19. “The Cinema of Scientology” is going to feature two early UK documentaries about Hubbard, followed by a panel that will feature our friend Mark Bunker as well as Battlefield Earth screenwriter J. D. Shapiro, who has apologized for writing the film. We were told that a reading of Revolt in the Stars might also happen that night, but we haven’t had that confirmed.

 
And now, on to our weekly collection of wacky Scientology mailers and fliers that were sent to us by our tipsters.

This next one struck us as unusual. A regging party held at a private home? We’re told this was an exclusive invitation — is it unusual for this kind of small gathering to beg money from wealthy members? Let us know.

 
FreedomFighterRally

 
And here’s material that came with it…

 

Tired of seeing all the bad news and not being able to DO something about it?

Come by, get the download and BE CAUSE. CCHR, IAS, Ideal Orgs, you name it. Let’s kick some @$$! The latest, exclusive briefings on battles to come and victories recently had by key speakers!

Live entertainment, BBQ and pool party too! All hosted by yours truly and Fred Reno!

 
This next appeal from the excitable Quinn Taufer has some creative uses of the English language, but its infectious enthusiasm comes through loud and clear. It’s another example of the “alliance” strategy that is trying to bring together far-flung church members to raise money for the San Fernando Valley Ideal Org building program.

 
ValleySpeak

 
Hey, Greater Cincinnati, hold on to yer butts! Hollywood is coming, and this is your chance for some good old-fashioned entertainment, L. Ron Hubbard style! This is happening tonight and we’d love an eyewitness report. Dish!

 
ToughOldMan

 
Once again, thanks to our tipsters. Keep those mailers and fliers coming!

 
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Jenna Hill Still Getting Major Media

Four months after the publication of her memoir, Beyond Belief, Jenna Miscavige Hill, niece to Scientology’s leader, David Miscavige, is still getting major press. This lengthy piece aired on Australia’s 60 Minutes hours ago (on their Sunday night).

 

 
One thing we noticed: Jenna seems a lot more polished than when she first started on her long publicity campaign.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on June 9, 2013 at 07:00

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  • Kevin Woolard

    Um … if all the Xenu/volcano stuff is so super-duper top secret, how come it was all going to be given away to the masses for the price of a cinema ticket?

    • Missionary Kid

      Because they don’t say it’s about $cientology, nudge, nudge, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

      • Kevin Woolard

        Genius, in its way – a bit like ‘Life of Brian’ was nothing to do with Jesus?

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s the attempt, but ‘Life of Brian’ was brilliant. What comes out of Co$ is crap.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I was thinking that too. How do you deny Xenu then?
      Idiots!

    • monkeyknickers

      Mindnumbing, isn’t it? I feel like a deer in headlights sometimes with the CoS . . . I literally cannot believe the shit they do that people follow . . . . . I just stand stock still and open mouthed out of wonder.

    • richelieu jr

      He was trying to drive us insane!

  • Missionary Kid

    The question of the day: “Do $cientologists ever write in plain English that is readily understandable?”

    The Hub’s script for Revolt in the Stars seems more like a CYA legal document and is so soporific I went back to sleep easily. (I woke up early, 4:00 am to get my dose of the bunker).

    Quinn Taufer’s letter parallels a Sarah Palin speech for the use of cliches only understood by the faithful and for not being intelligible if read closely.

    • FistOfXenu

      Answer to the question of the day: look at their dictionaries again. ๐Ÿ˜›

    • Captain Howdy

      Here’s a link to the scientology and dianetics technical dictionary.

      Learn it, love it, live it.

      http://www.e-reading-lib.org/bookreader.php/133981/Technical_Dictionary_of_Dianetics_and_Scientology.pdf

      • Missionary Kid

        Thanks. I have copies of the xenu.net and Tampa Bay dictionaries. That is what I needed.
        What I was really writing about when I was asking about understandable English was Quinn Taufer’s tortured syntax.

        • And I don’t rent cars!

          MK, I hope it helps you. I was tortured just reading the first 2 definitions picked at random. I need another dictionary just to understand this one.
          And I like to read dictionaries (and shhh… phone books too).
          Fast forwarded to X to look up “Xenu” – guess some pages are missing as it was not included. ; )

        • FistOfXenu

          His syntax isn’t being tortured. It’s being made to alternate between RPF, the Hole, Purification Rundown and baby watch. And it’s doing it all voluntarily for the good of its eternity. Any day now it’ll report mega wins straight up and vertical plus super powerz up the wazoo.

          • Missionary Kid

            Reading what danlocke had to say about him, he’d the result of Co$ education. That’s another reason to think that Co$ will fail, with the poorly educated 2nd generation $cions.

  • John P.

    Revolt in the Stars: Oh. My. God. I particularly love how Hubbard “guarantees” that the movie will out-gross Star Wars and Jaws. If I were a studio exec, that would have gotten Hubbard thrown off the backlot right there. I would bet every second-rate hack shopping a sci-fi script would have said something similar back in the day. The only problem is that Star Wars was a once-in-a-lifetime happening and everyone knew it the moment it hit the screen.

    The two-minute opening lecture setting the stage for the movie is unspeakably boring. It sounds like something an eighth-grade history teacher would have unleashed on his students, with the same result: everyone in the room would have fallen asleep in the first 30 seconds. Kind of like Ben Stein’s teacher character in Ferris Bueller. For someone who claimed to have had such extensive Hollywood experience earlier in his career, Hubbard certainly knew nothing about building dramatic elements in his script, if he opens with an interminable lecture by an offscreen narrator.

    Xenu’s speech also sounds like a snooze, like prepared testimony in a real government hearing, not like something that one would want to see in a film. My favorite dialog so far: Mish saying, “This congress meets in the shadow of possible planetary revolt. In the ten years since the last congress, certain orders have been issued by the executive branch which were not ratified by the 2053rd congress. While we do not wish to be critical and imagine the reason for these orders, no matter how much mistaken, it should be our first order of business to survey these changes, put them to a vote, and ratify them or not so that their legality or illegality is established.” This is a character the audience is supposed to form an emotional bond with? And maybe even buy action figures of him after coming back to see the movie twenty times (like many of my friends did with the original Star Wars)?

    Hubbard proved here that he writes screenplays like he wrote pulp fiction: aiming for as many words as possible, still acting as if he gets paid a penny a word. I wonder if he actually got anyone to take a meeting with him over a script that promised to out-gross what had already become the biggest movie in history with a script that threatened to pulverize the audience with boredom. He came promising to out-gross, and left merely grossing-out.

    Freedom Fighters party: Interesting that the cult is now holding events at people’s homes. I wonder if that is to save the costs of hotels when people don’t show up. The Tourje’s house is listed at 2,600 square feet on Zillow.com, which is a pleasant sized house, but it is of a vintage that makes me think they’re not going to get a whole lot of people since the rooms aren’t likely to be all that large. They probably won’t be able to fit more than 20 people there for the “exclusive briefing.” And given the number of hours that Scientologists work, I can’t say that I would be all that excited at seeing Pasadena org staff show off acres of pasty white skin at a pool party. Not all Californians are lithe and tan like they just walked off the set of Baywatch, you know. I wish I knew what recent victories they’ll be celebrating. The Portland grand opening, where the cult certainly kicked some Rose City hiney?

    Quinn Taufer’s Valley Ideal Org pitch: Brilliant grammar oozes from every pore of this gripping letter. Quinn wins the award for most tortured use of dependent clauses yet in a Scientology mailer for this strangled effort: “If you’ve attended any one of the Int events, or what was gone over as the Ideal Org strategy, you will see, and know, what mine and my office and my staff’s production record is.”

    Quinn, old buddy, we in Global Capitalism know a thing or two about fund raising, since we routinely send out prospectuses to our clients to raise $10 or $20 billion for our next fund. Our record at getting people to part with their money is something that Miscavige can’t even dream of. I guarantee you that we would never send out an offering memo with a twisted tangle of a sentence like that. Might your frightening grammar have any relationship to the length of your quixotic nine-year quest to scam your clams for a building? It’s worth thinking about, pal.

    This letter is worth reading in its entirety for the awful writing which piles on itself deeper and deeper. This one gets my vote for steaming Scientology turd of the year if for no reason than that it ends with “alright [not an actual word in the English language], talk soon,” which sounds like something people say when in a rush to jump to another call coming in rather than a powerful summation of the argument in a letter designed to make people feel good about parting with thousands of dollars of their hard earned cash in a probably doomed decade-long quest to put up an Org in the heart of the densest population of Scientologists in the world.

    Cincinnati org: I had forgotten that Phil Proctor of Firesign Theater is a clam. I’ll never listen to “We’re all Bozos on This Bus” the same way again. For him to be the author of such an insipid pull quote as the one featured here is just tragically sad, putting him down in the cesspool of minor cult celebrities who once had talent, like Jim Meskimen or Eddie Deezen. How much more exciting could a live dramatic recreation of the life of L. Ron Hubbard be than the elaborate recreation videos that David Miscavige has commissioned for his events? Even if they have “real Hollywood actors?”

    Of course, everyone knows that real Hollywood actors make any presentation important and credible, since they’re way better than fake Hollywood actors (ref: “Waiting for Guffman”). I can just imagine the author of this mailer assessing the Cincinnati market and imagining how “real Hollywood actors” will pack them in. Kind of like the Duke & Dauphin in Huckleberry Finn: “If that don’t fetch ’em then I don’t know Arkansas.” Come to think of it, that quote summarizes the fraud of Scientology’s “Royal Nonesuch” scam pretty well.

    • Missionary Kid

      I somehow managed to stay up (I woke up at 4 am my time) after listening to Revolt of the Stars long enough to read your excellent post. Just reading about it again, even though you wrote well, almost put me to asleep at the keyboarddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

    • FistOfXenu

      John P, for the record, it wasn’t unheard of for early scifi movies to kick off with an off screen narrator setting the scene. The real problem here is how unspeakably tedious this one is. And of course the whole rest of the script.

      And I agree about the tragedy of Phil Proctor. But it reminds me that anybody can be walking along minding their own business 1 minute and then get sucked into the quickshit of $cientarCONon the next.

      • John P.

        In fact, Star Wars itself used an opening crawl to set the stage (“Long ago in a galaxy far, far away…”), a device cribbed from Flash Gordon and other movie serials from the 1930s and 1940s. But Star Wars played it well because it set the scene brilliantly, and it came over the John Williams score that hinted at the conflicts to come. And since the whole cast was no-names, there was no need to make room in the opening credits for all the stars’ names. At the end, that crawl dropped you right into a gripping opening scene that set up the story magnificently well.

        On the other hand, Hubbard gives us a three minute lecture from a narrator after some number of minutes wasted on a “frame” to wrap the actual story — a whole present-day narrative to establish that the story is really 75,000,000 years old. This is what Hubbard promised in his pitch would out-gross Star Wars “unless greatly altered in shooting.” In other words, “if you change one word of my masterpiece, it will be a cinematic turd of the first magnitude.” Well, he got the second half of that sentence right anyway.

        It would be great if Tony were able to post the entire script. Imagine the laughs!

        • FistOfXenu

          “On the other hand, Hubbard ..” Exactly! I remember those old movies from my youngest days in Saturday matinees and they didn’t feel tedious even to us young’uns that just wanted the film to get started. But this pointless attack of verbal diarrhea by LRH is painful.

        • monkeyknickers

          How come he can’t? I’d love to read it. Is it trademarked or something?

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Yes, yes, yes, the Founder knew so little about movies or anything else. It took COB RTC David Miscavige to sort out the Founder’s endless mistakes, errors, gaffes, and boners. COB’s work will soon culminate in GAT2.

          COB’s masterpiece GAT2 will solve all of the Church’s PTP’s and create a Scientology Renaissance.

          In related news of magnificence, Will Smith is presently working on a biopic of COB.

          This biopic is a bromance about COB and Scientologist Tom Cruise. This film is guaranteed to be the biggest movie ever in world history.

          http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/WSCOB_zps22995d06.png

          • FistOfXenu

            Yup. DM is gonna re-release all LRH’s old films as soon as he finishes removing all the semicolons.

            • John P.

              I just had the vision of a full-to-overflowing semicolostomy bag that DM was using for this.

    • Truthiwant

      Quinn Taufer’s letter
      is interesting because it shows how badly prepared these Scientologists are. However, their presumptuous and tactless manner is, in fact, the result of the indoctrination
      that they have succumbed to. In other words, in basic English, they think they
      have the right to say โ€œWe are the only people that can help Mankind, so donate
      your money to us NOW.โ€

    • Observer

      I was 17 when Star Wars came out, and the first week it was in our area (there was no advertising; it just showed up without fanfare in movie theater newspaper schedules) I saw it 5 times. My eventual total of theater viewings was 22. It was indeed a once-in-a-lifetime event and I’m glad I witnessed it.

      Hubbard must have had a tin ear when it came to anything to do with any branch of the arts. In his Admissions he attempted to hypnotize himself into being moved by and proficient in artistic endeavor. For him to so confidently assert that RITS’ performance would equal or surpass Star Wars just backs my opinion up. It speaks volumes that 36 years later Star Wars has more Jedi adherents than Scientology has clams.

      • mirele

        My sister dragged me to see Star Wars. I was like, meh…but I saw The Empire Strikes Back 65 times during the summer of 1980. (Matinee shows at $2.00 each, I’d do that then go to work…) Best waste of time EVAH.

        • Observer

          That’s about what I paid. Star Wars marked the end of the double feature, at least where I grew up. It was the first movie I’d ever seen that was shown alone, and there were no more double features after it.

        • BosonStark

          The Empire Strikes Back is the only Star Wars movie I saw in a theater at the time of release. I took some friends who were visiting from Europe and I was afraid it would be too juvenile. My reaction was the same as visiting Disney World in my 20s — this would be great if I were a kid. I was crazy about spaceships and aliens then.

          My European friends LOVED the movie.

      • 10oriocookies

        I started seeing Star Wars in the theatre when I was 4. Dad was a fan and we saw it in the theatres a similar number of times (as well as the others). I think it’s hilarious that there are about as many people that identify as Jedis as Scientologists.

        • Kim O’Brien

          more Jedi’s …

        • monkeyknickers

          That is because JEDIS KICK ASS. And have weaponry that glows and their spaceships don’t look like a DC-8. It’s an upgrade situation. ๐Ÿ™‚

          • 10oriocookies

            And they have the coolest mullets in the galaxy. And they are friends with Wookies.

            • monkeyknickers

              Don’t you doubt it! Ewoks are cool, but Wookies take the cake in the furry alien department HANDS DOWN. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • 10oriocookies
            • monkeyknickers

              I don’t understand why you’re not wearing that shirt right now, religious or no. It. Is. Awesome. I wannit.

            • 10oriocookies

              Love the oatmeal.com If you are a dog owner, check out “my dog, the paradox.” Hilarious!

          • richelieu jr

            They’re certainly kicking Sciloon ass in Great Britain and Australia where they exponentially out number CoS drones..

            • monkeyknickers

              The force is with them – what can you do? ๐Ÿ™‚

          • sister wendy

            aren’t there more Jedi’s than scientologists?

            • monkeyknickers

              That’s what I read somewhere. Where precisely I couldn’t say.

        • FistOfXenu

          ..and they have cool uniforms without ripping off US Navy uniforms.

      • SciWatcher

        I was too young to see Star Wars in the theater when it first came out, but it must have been shown again before Empire came out, because I remember seeing it in the theater. But I saw Empire and Jedi many many times in the theater. At least once a week and sometimes I’d just sit in the theater watching it several times during the day. I actually can’t believe my parents let me do that. I was only about seven for Empire!

      • Kim O’Brien

        My dad took me to see Star Wars and Jaws..each on it’s opening weekend . I am still in love with Hans Solo and i don’t swim in the ocean …ever

        • Captain Howdy

          I stood in line for hours to see Star Wars when it came out and I’ve never felt the desire to see it again — rehashed Buck Rogers nonsense imo. I’ve watched Jaws at least a dozen times since the first time I saw it at The Coliseum Theatre.back in S.F.

          • Missionary Kid

            I understand your feeling about Star Wars. When I first saw it, the space combat scenes appeared to be shot like they were in an atmosphere, and that bothered me. On the other hand, since I do enjoy the old Buck Rogers serials, that’s the spirit I took it in.

            My youngest was about 5, and I hauled him out of his seat to the bathroom because I knew that he’d just pee in his pants rather than miss a second of it.

            Jaws, on the other hand, did little for me. I’ve been swimming in the ocean since I was a kid, and never saw a shark. The first time I saw sharks was on sea survival in the Gulf of Mexico, and they were only about 6 foot long. I figured they were curious from all of the activity of life rafts in the water. It’s a well done picture, but fantasy, IMO. It was Moby Dick done with a shark.

        • monkeyknickers

          My dad made me watch The Exorcist on VHS when I was 6. I threw up later that evening. It could of been the shitload of Cheetos he bribed me with . . . . but that movie scarred me and to this DAY he’ll pretend to turn his head all the way ’round just to goose me. ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Kim O’Brien

            that movie freaked me the hell out

          • Missionary Kid

            Because of my background, I viewed the picture as a bunch of Catholic propaganda. Then, when I thought about it, that psychology or psychiatry explain the behavior much better.

            Yes, protestants also have exorcisms, but it’s rare, unless one is a Pentecostal type, but they don’t use holy water. Occasionally, I have heard of an exorcism in other sects, but they’re rare.

            You have to realize that I started to laugh so hard I left the theater so I wouldn’t upset the women in the audience when I saw Rosemary’s Baby, because I realized it had all of the fears that a woman could have in one picture, and it was manipulative as hell.

          • sister wendy

            It still scares me. Creeped me out even more after meeting a priest who actually does exorcisms.

            • monkeyknickers

              Wow, really?! I genuinely am wondering if you have to go to a special class for that while in the seminary. And how would you practice?

              Thanks a lot SW! Now I’m fixated. :))

            • sister wendy

              yeah- I used to teach at a Catholic high school- and he used to teach a religious studies class to seniors. I was observing the class one day as a first year teacher and he told a couple of his exorcism stories. I don’t think he was making them up. And he’s a smarty pants intellectual. He currently teaches law at Georgetown. His stories reminded me of Anthony Hopkins in The Rite. I’m a skeptic- but these were freaky.

    • mirele

      The yard of the Tourje house is nearly 20,000 square feet, which is quite enough for a large tent and accoutrements. Remember, this is Southern California…

    • Phil McKraken

      Wow! I just had a flash realization. With this quote,

      “This congress meets in the shadow of possible planetary revolt. In the
      ten years since the last congress, certain orders have been issued by
      the executive branch which were not ratified by the 2053rd congress.
      While we do not wish to be critical and imagine the reason for these
      orders, no matter how much mistaken, it should be our first order of
      business to survey these changes, put them to a vote, and ratify them or
      not so that their legality or illegality is established,”

      I now know that when George Lucas wrote the insufferable turgidity of the political dialog in the Star Wars prequels, he was duplicating Hubbard. That’s amazing.

      • Missionary Kid

        Duplicating Hubtard? As crappy as the dialog was, that’s insulting to Lucas.

        • Phil McKraken

          Yes, insulting Lucas was my intention. The prequels suck hard.

          • Missionary Kid

            I understand the insult to Lucas for the prequels. I think they’re not very good, but they don’t sink to the low of anything as bad as LRH’s drivel.

            • Well, there’s an anti-love theme in the prequel movies that fits frighteningly well with LRH’s crap. Small children being taken from their parents to be indoctrinated into a no-love cult; deserting someone to die in horrific pain that you caused him; pretending emotion is the enemy; masculine terror of pregnancy, without any attempt to see it from a woman’s point of view …

              Of course, Lucas was honest about where this leads in the end, whether he meant to be or not.

    • J. Swift

      After “Revolt in the Stars” failed to wow the studios, Hubbard did not lose his vision to turn one of his books into a monster box office smash hit that would “Boom the Orgs.” He still wanted a movie and a
      blockbuster book.

      But how to create a smash hit movie and a blockbuster book?

      This goes to Hubbard’s logic for his book covers. Hubbard maintained that his cosmology was universal and so translated his work into visual archetypal symbols which he deemed had command value over people. The symbols on book covers, he believed, would translate into more book sales and more “bodies in the shop” (new publics, see also “raw meat” or “raw meat wogs.”)

      Accordingly, a movie would be a vast product line extension of Hubbard’s cosmological archetypes writ large. Hubbard believed that a movie based upon his cosmology would have such command value over Western Culture that Scientology would become predominant and triumph over the masses.

      When “Revolt in the Stars” failed, Hubbard wrote his “Decalogue” called Battlefield Earth.

      The Church promised BE’s publisher St. Martins 15,000 copies.

      When BE was released in 1982, Scientologists were ordered to buy as many copies as possible. Sales hit 150,000 copies and Hubbard was PR’d by the Church as a bestselling SciFi author. These sales also made Hubbard a great deal of money via his personal literary agency ASI, the Chairman
      of which was David Miscavige.

      Hollywood of course did not want BE.

      Travolta took it on and made one of the worst movies ever.

      So much for the command value of Scientology’s cosmological images.

      • Missionary Kid

        And a lot of the production money disappeared that was supposedly spent on production for BE.

        • J. Swift

          Down the rabbit hole the money went.

          Wikipedia has an interesting comment on how Hubbard saw a BE movie project:

          “After Battlefield Earth was published in 1982, L. Ron Hubbard suggested that a film version of the book was in the works. He gave an interview in February 1983 to the Rocky Mountain News in which he told the reporter, ‘I’ve recently written three screenplays, and some interest has been expressed in Battlefield Earth, so I suppose I’ll be right back in Hollywood one of these days and probably on location in the Denver area for Battlefield Earth when they film it.’

          “Hubbard’s comments suggest that he saw himself being directly involved in the film’s production; author Stewart Lamont suggests that Hubbard may even have envisioned directing it, given his previous work on Scientology training films….”

          ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefield_Earth_%28film%29

          Hubbard’s training films are legendarily horrible as is Battlefield Earth. After Earth is equally horrible.

          The paradox is that while the Church of Scientology can attract A list movie stars none of its movie stars can make a good Scientology film.

          • John P.

            Scientology can attract A list movie stars none of its movie stars can make a good Scientology film.

            Is that because Scientology turns the brains of A-list movie stars into some sort of watery gruel, kind of like mad cow disease? Or is it because the subject of Scientology is impossible to tell a story about that anyone will actually want to watch? I think it is mostly the latter. There are some subjects that one should never attempt to capture on celluloid. A porn film set in a leper colony, for instance.

            • Missionary Kid

              To your question, the answer is both. The lousy gruel can’t be turned into anything coherent. The other problem is that while they may be good at acting, apparently $cions are no good at directing, especially with the lousy gruel as the basis for the story, plot, and dialog.

            • J. Swift

              JP, Hubbard maintained that the Thetan is ultimately good and so ensures his or her own morality even if it means unconsciously destroying themselves. This is along the lines of why criminals act in reckless ways that get them caught and punished.

              My view here is that any honest Scientologist knows deep down inside that the Church of Scientology is fatally flawed and evil. Hence, they secretly do not want the Church to take over the world.

              And so it follows that Scientology movie stars will unconsciously make horrible movies about Scientology.

              This also explains the nonstop series of self-inflicted disasters in which the Church and its members have been engulfed since 2005.

              It will never end until the Church of Scientology is dismantled in its present form.

              *****

              I was once talking to the late great Alan Walter who was a towering figure within Scientology for decades.

              Alan told me a story about a time when he talking to an elite group of Scientology mission holders. They were chatting about how Scientology could take over the world.

              Alan asked them, “Do you really want a world controlled by the Church of Scientology?”

              There was a very pregnant pause and they all agreed that Scientology world domination would not be a good thing.

              This conversation was perhaps one of the many reasons Alan and the rest of the mission holders were all later Fair Gamed and destroyed by the Church.

            • richelieu jr

              I’m gonna vote for the whole Scientology mythology being simultaneously ridiculously over-the-top and tax-audit-like snore-inducing…

          • Missionary Kid

            You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

            • J. Swift

              Hubbard defined we who are wogs as, “people who aren’t even trying.”

              Given that definition, Battlefield Earth and After Earth are totally wog in the sense that both films look like those involved weren’t even trying.

              The money might as well have been spent purchasing the Hublot Big Bang watch:

              http://images.gizmag.com/gallery_lrg/hublot-0.jpg

            • Missionary Kid

              For a movie or a watch with the $cion sign, it’s all a damn waste. I just hope that low level $cions weren’t hurt any more, but the ones at the top were the ones who’re losing money.

          • Spackle Motion

            The power of self-delusion fails in big numbers.

            Two reasons why L Ron’s ‘fictional’ works (i.e. windows into his severe mental illness) fail so miserably are 1) because they are tacky and dumb, and 2) because a pack of self-deluded cult members believe them to be works of art.

    • richelieu jr

      They have been holding special invitรฉ gigs at Anne Archer’s, amongst other private homes.. The Kennedy one that got ‘postponed’ was supposed to be there…

    • chukicita

      The Phil Proctor quote sounds like he’s describing a powerpoint for an upcoming pre-production meeting.
      It’s hard to read it without thinking he is, consciously or subconsciously, making fun of something here.

      • richelieu jr

        He is certinainly ridiculizing his reputation…

    • chukicita

      Anyone else notice Tough Old Man = T.O.M.?

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      John P., history is largely series of interminable monologues by tyrants and dictators. At least that is how we in RTC understand our own history.

      http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/ig_logo_zps678b420b.jpg

  • Whoa, is that Dave Petit, the CO of Celebrity Centre, at around 6:43 of Jenna’s piece?

  • Observer

    omg that script is excruciating! I bailed at 2:30. I can only imagine the audience rioting in the theaters if Revolt[ing] in the Stars had actually made it to the screen. I do love that they were prounouncing galaxy as guh-LAX-y.

    Quinn Taufer: I can’t bring myself to rag on his writing skills. The whole time I was slogging through that I was wondering how much sleep the poor guy has had in the past month.

    Golden Age: So is Phil Proctor a closet Scientologist or not? He certainly seems happy enough to shill for them. And please–“the man who lived the stories he wrote”?! “Hollywood actors” made me laugh too. That credential carries as much weight as Hubbard’s degree in “nucular” physics.

    • 1subgenius

      “Golden Age: So is Phil Proctor a closet Scientologist or not? He certainly seems happy enough to shill for them.”

      So sad.

  • media_lush

    “….you bitch, you whore…… Robotize her…. depersonalise her with neurosurgery”

    wow, talk about the hidden subtext that sort of nails exactly what Hubbard was all about!

    • jensting

      rolls off the tongue, too!

    • Vistaril

      Yeah, I spotted a couple too . . . the line which stuck for me was (something like) “only trust those you can blackmail.” Talk about a summation of L Ron Hubbard’s attitude towards others and Auditing’s raison d’etre. Gotta say, though, I just loved how the usually clumsy text-to-speech thingywotsit just nailed “gahlaaxee”.

      • EnthralledObserver

        Yep, yep… only those you can blackmail. Poor John Travolta…

    • EnthralledObserver

      Indeed! Frightening innit?

  • Skwerl King

    This movie needs to be made in vivid grainy sepia tone. It will become an instant cult classic. As Reagan so eloquently put it, “I ask you Mr. Miscavige, fund this project.”

    • Couch_Incident

      I understand M. Night Shyamalan is currently available!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        LOL!

  • BosonStark

    To counteract Jenna’s account of growing up at The Ranch, the cult sets up Potemkin websites and gets former inmates — probably threatened with disconnection — to say:

    “Who gets a chance to work on a farm these days?” How about migrant farm workers?

    How about a video tour of Big Blue’s basement or The Hole? I guess they’re too busy kicking $$$ our of your “@$$” for the IA$.

  • tetloj

    60 MINUTES interview is awesome. Love how we got to see Dallas talk as well. Special treat to see a still of cowpoke Ron used. Can’t wait to go to work tomorrow and speak to people who know I’ve been reading into this and will probably have questions. Great job 60 minutes.

    • tetloj

      http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8671287

      Scientology’s response here ^^. It’s Karin Pouw! They mention apostates!

      • BosonStark

        Apparently Karin Pouw has her own church now, as the letter is signed, “Karin Pouw Church of Scientology International.” Maybe she’s the reincarnation of Hubbard?

        They aren’t calling her a spokesperson because she’s never actually spoken in public. I picture her typing these things out with one hand, as Miscavige’s secretary/mistress is bending the fingers back on the other one.

      • richelieu jr

        They mention apostates?

        SPOILERS, PLEASE!!!!

      • That response is filled with so many blatant lies that I don’t know where to start.

  • jensting

    Quinn Taufer is doing a great job – at keeping people away.

    “It’s not a money cycle. It’s really not.” Splendid giveaway right there, and that should be enough to keep even the most die-hard clams unexpectedly busy elsewhere for a few years.

    Oh, and they promise to take care of kids, to rid the clams of PTPs. Do the special auditing room for kids have the same video recording equipment as the standard auditing rooms? That might be more or less legal, you know…

  • mook

    Elisabeth Moss tries to avoid the CoS question in an interview w/ ABC News. she gives an ‘umm, yeah it helps… next question’ type of response.
    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2013/06/elisabeth-moss-praises-scientology/

  • Sunny Sands

    The Quinn Taufer letter calls the San Fernando Valley their “parish” at least 3 times. The cringe factor is in full swing for appropriating a Catholic term for their use to make themselves sound more mainstream.

    • tetloj

      I had to blink – every time I saw parish I read pariah at first.

  • sugarplumfairy

    I’m trying really hard to listen to it, but every time I hit the word guh-lax-y, I’m losing it..

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Ditto on Guh Lax EE.
      It is fucking cracking me up every time!

  • sugarplumfairy

    I’m waiting for ‘Revolt OF the Stars..’ an object is found in the middle of the ocean and its taken to the POTUS, because that’s what Americans do when we find something in the middle of the ocean–take it to the president.. He opens it and finds Cruise, Travolta and Elman inside.. He can’t figure them out so he appoints them to special positions in his cabinet.. Elfman is in charge of childcare.. Cruise is traffic safety and Travolta becomes personal hairstylist.. It’s revolting..

  • EnthralledObserver

    I did see the Jenna interview on 60 minutes, Australia… a very well covered story for the layman. Of course, I know there is so much more that could be told to the public, but this is a great starter to get them interested and realise that this Scientology thing isn’t just a ‘weird religion’ issue… it’s much, much more horrifying than that.
    Ahhh… the “Revolting Stars” script. Right up Tom Cruise and Kirsty Alley’s alley, right? lulz

  • ultzi

    Anyone know if the “church” has tried to retaliate against Jenna and her husband? Have them stalked, followed or harassed and has the “church” tried to blackmail them? I love how the “church” always makes a blanket denial then scrambles to find believers who say the opposite. If the allegations weren’t true, they wouldn’t bother.

    • Espiando

      They did try, right after Jenna and Dallas blew. She’s said that the harassment was one of the big reasons why she co-founded ESK.

  • Observer

    ..

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Amazing! You’ve managed to make LRH look more attractive!

      • Missionary Kid

        Yup, he was a real Jabba the gut.
        3D, you got a 15 second laugh out of me on your comment. Thanks.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          The power of the snark…

          • Missionary Kid

            SNARKPOWER!

    • lightblb62

      OMG!!!!!!!! LOLOLOL.. I just about fell off my chair when I scrolled down and saw this! This is totally perfect.. You know.. when I first walked into the Toronto Org back in 1970 -and I saw a picture of LRH…the VERY first thought to cross my at the time hazy mind….was.”.that is a very distasteful and decrepit individual”. And of course instantly shoved it down because ALL of the folks at the org were SO awesomely friendly, kind, welcoming etc. (Musta been me….musta been something wrong with MY perception.) But yep.. this totally says it all. Totally. Well done.

      • sister wendy

        amazingly creepy

    • monkeyknickers

      But where is my main girl Princess Leia?!

      • Observer

        She’s in the RPF.

        • lightblb62

          ROLLLLLLLLLLLLING ! LOLOLOLOL

        • monkeyknickers

          HAHAHAHAHAHA

        • sister wendy

          That would be Shelley, right?

      • richelieu jr

        She’s getting her teeth filed down to regulation length…

      • Too old for the CMO.

        • JessicaSideways

          Happy birthday Shelly!

    • SP ‘Onage

      Love it! ๐Ÿ˜€

    • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

      Blasphemy!

      • FistOfXenu

        Yeah! Blasphemy! You left the festering boil off LRH’s head! And he should be ;icking his nose!

  • N. Graham

    Well let’s see, what scripts do we have here? “Well, we have one here by a guy who used to write for the pulps. We should go with it because IT’S BEEN TESTED to be non-controversial!! And it’s guaranteed to be a hit!” Well, I read the first page and it had already borrowed its premise from 2001 A Space Odyssey! “No, you’ve got to stay with it! The dialogue is scintillating!”

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And I am sure that if they asked to see any of those audience surveys, they’d be accused of Religious Bigotry.

      • Miss Davidoff

        Lol.

    • richelieu jr

      Maybe if we negotiate with him we can find out who his crack research team is?

  • LocalSP

    Now I know where George Lucas got the script for The Phantom Menace.

    • mirele

      Quick! Check to see if there are any Scio completions for Lucas after about 1992!

    • Observer

      Ouch!

    • Captain Howdy

      Little known fact is that the character of Jar Jar Binks is based on and a homage to LRH.

      • FistOfXenu

        I always thought Binks was some kind of sub conscious homage by Lucas to that particularly shameful slice of early movie history, the Step’n’Fetchit character.

        • Captain Howdy

          Either that or Jerry Lewis.

          • Kim O’Brien

            they love him in France

            • Missionary Kid

              Ohhh. Snarky. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • richelieu jr

              No, we don’t even know who he is.

      • RMycroft

        Oh! I thought it was Tommy Davis. “Messa getting mad, real mad!”

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      It tok Lucas four movies to get to a boring slog through space politics. LRH made that error right out of the box.

      • Missionary Kid

        In 15 seconds, to be charitable.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Forget ruffies!
    Knock her out with neurosurgery!

  • Captain Howdy

    “Revolt in the Stars” should be a new reality show where scientology celebs are put into the Sea Org and the viewers watch as one by one they quit in anguish and leave stupid scientology.

    • Observer

      I’d put the Scilon celebs straight into the Freewinds RPF. I would pay to see Jenna Elfman and Tom Cruise wading around in the bilges.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        RPFing with the Stars! On ABC! Hosted by Tom Bergeron!

      • richelieu jr

        Jenna would be wading, Tom treading water.

        • Observer

          Zing!

    • richelieu jr

      I think you are proposing my Reality Show Series, CH: ‘Revolting D Stars’ in which we see to what depths stars are willing to sink to avoid being outed…

  • Inbtelligence

    WOW – ‘beam me up Scotty’! ” Letโ€™s kick some @$$!” … < That brings back a memory, eh' Tony ๐Ÿ™‚

  • 10oriocookies

    These sounds are all more appealing to me than listening to one second of “Revolt in the Stars”: Nails scraping and breaking on a chalkboard, an alarm that won’t turn off, suburban teenagers who think they are kingpins talking while I’m watching a movie.

  • Watergate

    The LinkedIn profile for “Kyle Davis Tourje” a “Public Relations and Communications” professional) does the smart thing: It does NOT identify Touje as a Scientologist (that would be bad PR for a PR professional, right?). Nonetheless, Touje positions himself typically for a Scientologist: “I work in philanthropic fields including spiritual, human and civil rights and seek to make a better world through these efforts.” And, naturally, he supports the National Rifle Association. ๐Ÿ™‚

    See Kyle Tourje’s LinkedIn profile at http://www.linkedin.com/pub/kyle-davis-tourjรฉ/40/478/268

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      A Scientologist in the NRA. There’s a situation just pregnant with possibilities…

      • RMycroft

        Google “Front Sight” and Ignatius Piazza.

      • monkeyknickers

        hahaha

    • Miss Davidoff

      “I work in philanthropic fields including spiritual, human and civil rights and seek to make a better world through these efforts” sounds as hollow as his cult is. Sounds like “$cam – $cam – $cam”.

      • Couch_Incident

        Pretentious too.

        • Miss Davidoff

          Right.

  • ze moo

    I would love to see Revolt in the Stars,but only if preformed by South Park.

    “J. D. Shapiro, who has apologized for Battefield Earth”, JD need not apologize for BE, his screenplay was very true to the book. He took his paycheck and paid the rent, there is nothing more Hollywood then that. Its not his fault the book was crap. BE only has the first half of the book, borrow it from a library to see how bad the blame Travolta for the codpieces though.

  • danlocke

    I knew Quinn Tauffer in the SO pretty well. Before he became associated with his current building post. There was a lot to like about him: very extroverted and outgoing, and he had a real love of mechanical things and construction. I am not entirely certain, but pretty sure that he came into the SO at about 12 years old. This was at the Los Angeles base: “PAC”.

    There were two ranches for SO kids that were close to Los Angeles. One was the Int Ranch, Castile Canyon, out close to Palm Springs and the other was for the kids from PAC. This was called Bouquet Canyon or Canyon Oaks Ranch, out near Palmdale.

    People in PAC never heard anything about the conditions at the Int ranch, but looking at the website about it now, it appears to have been a dude ranch compared to the PAC ranch. The PAC ranch had about 250 kids at its peak and would typically have less than a dozen adult personnel assigned to it. My son went there from the time he was about 6 until he was brought to ASHO at about the age of 14.

    We were all routed out of the SO when he turned 15 when he and a several other youngsters were considered walking time bombs for the church. The parents of the other kids remained in the SO as their minor children were released to non-SO families in the Los Angeles field. My wife and I were routed out of the SO with our son (as we were in the RPF and considered to be only a notch or two above pond scum) and the other kids’ parents (actively on post and still considered valuable) were kept in and convinced that they should have their kids given to public Scientologists as their guardians. These kids were our son’s old friends from the ranch. When they heard that we were out, they “blew” the homes of these non-SO families and came to live with us instead. For about two years we housed as many as 13 children of SO members, doing our best to keep them busy and out of serious trouble.

    There was some common denominators of these children.

    1. They cared A LOT about each other. They grew up with each other and with very little contact with anyone else: not their parents, not other children; just each other. (As the PAC ranch was a two to three hour drive from PAC, and the only time a parent could spend with them was during the Sunday morning you were supposed to be cleaning your berthing, most parents were very rarely able to see their kids, even in the best of circumstances it was much less often than once a week, and then only for an hour or so.)

    2. At least for the first couple of years at least after they left, they all had a difficult time getting along with others outside of their group. (I have heard that most of them have pretty much gotten over that since.) Another was that they were all almost completely uneducated. None of them could decently read or write; none of them knew anything about history, math, etc.)

    3. They also had incredibly poor at-the-dinner-table manners. They did not know how to hold on to utensils and many of them would eat with their hands, even things like casseroles. I think that this is because they grew up eating at tables with just each other to model their behavior. There was no adult at the table with them showing them how it’s done. Might sound minor, but it would really result in some shocked looks when we would go out to eat together!

    4. They knew very little of current popular culture, other than that they were current on pop music (they had radio available to them, but TV was banned) and some were pretty decent skateboarders.

    5. They also completely completely completely (more than any group of people I have ever encountered) rebelled against adult authority (not all in all a bad thing!)

    But the thing that I want to point out about this in regards to Quinn is that the PAC ranch totally sucked at teaching their kids anything, beyond hauling things around, minor construction skills and doing para-military drills (like standing at attention and marching around and all the phoney SO/Naval stuff designed to indoctrinate you into being controlled.)

    Perhaps the Int Ranchers fared better. At their site, the “alumni” there say that everyone got personal attention. I think that it was a lot better staffed there.

    But Quinn’s poor grammar is a product of the understaffed and overwhelmed PAC ranch, I think. (I am not entirely sure that Quinn was ever at the ranch. I think that one of the people in the Alumni video on their site is Quinn’s brother, so maybe Quinn had bee an Int Rancher.) There was also a school program at PAC for the minors who were recruited from the ranch to come to PAC to be on staff, ostensibly to get them caught up on their schooling, that was also a complete failure at teaching anyone anything. Perhaps Quinn might have attempted that.

    But it is very unlikely that Quinn as any school education at all beyond about the 6th grade. Looking at it in that wise, his letter is something he could be proud of. At least, with some effort on the part of the reader, it’s intelligible.

    • Truthiwant

      Quinn Taufer might be proud of his letter considering his education but I don’t see that this is the important point. To me it’s what he is writing. Unfortunately his indoctrination since being a small boy has left him brain washed. An Org for children? Oh, my God! That is CREEPY. I feel sorry for him because he was pulled in to the mind fucking cult.

      • danlocke

        I can’t imagine that “children’s org” idea to exist in anyone’s mind other than Quinn’s and a few other over caffeinated execs at the local management office. A “Body in the Shop” (stat for a person on service) is a body in the shop no matter it’s age, and all the regges at LA Org will argue for those little bodies in their chairs at their org for the convenience of their parents studying at one of the major LA orgs. (LAD and F, ASHO D and F, AOLA and CCI: all within a mile or much less of each other.) Depending on traffic, the Valley Org is a half hour to two hour drive from the orgs in Los Angeles proper. So, the Valley Org as a day care center for the PAC orgs just isn’t going to happen.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          I have “walked around” the building courtesy of Google Street View, and note there is a full (albeit small) playground attached. I would assume that The Center Church (the previous occupant) had a day-care center on premises. Perhaps the Valley clams anticipate making that into some sort of feature.

          And on that subject– does the CoS actually build anything? Other than the Superpower Building, I mean? Every Ideal Org I have seen is just an old building remodeled. Does the CoS have no desire to make their own architectural mark on this sad, sad world?

          • richelieu jr

            Well, child labour built those camps before they were closed down… Jenna says that every stone in those walls the people are being interviewed in front of was put there by child labour…

            • danlocke

              Yes, I understand that nowadays these orgs are being built by outside contractors, but many of the earlier org big renovations were done by and large by RPF crew. I don’t know about the Int Ranch, but there were always renovations being done at the PAC ranch by the crews, although I am pretty sure all their buildings predated their residence there.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              By building I do not mean renovation and upkeep. I mean the creation of buildings from the ground up. Every great religion leaves a mark in its places of worship and veneration. Mormons build their Temples. The Catholic Church has an amazing legacy. Oral Roberts built a “prayer tower” on the futuristic campus of Oral Roberts University. Even Jehovahs Witnesses can be spotted for their quaint little barn-like Kingdom Halls.

              But Scientology seems to move into the discarded facilities of others– like Cow Birds or something…

            • Missionary Kid

              $cientology: The cow birds of religion.
              BTW, I call Kingdom Halls, Klingon Halls.

            • FistOfXenu

              Don’t insult Klingons. Whatever their faults they have a sense of honor and duty.

            • Missionary Kid

              O.K., I deserved that. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • danlocke

              Many of the buildings at Int Base, I think, were built by their own crew, from the ground up. As far as the orgs are concerned, I don’t think any of them were ever built specifically for or by the Church; they are all renovations of buildings owned previously by others.

            • Lady Squash

              Scientology builds illusions and ruins lives. That’s their legacy. There is no God. There will be no “Church” architecture.

    • Couch_Incident

      Sounds like those kids were lucky to have a halfway house with you and your wife. Were you completely out then or just public and out of SO? Where are they now?

      • danlocke

        I’ve lost track of most. One returned to the SO and don’t know if he is still involved. I think most of the others are peripherally part of the group. Understand that most of these kids had very very little understanding of what Scientology is, either as a philosophy or as a group. They don’t know the “tech” of Scientology and they don’t know the dumb stuff the group does and has done. They were nominally Scientologists; it was their group as they were raised in it and they had some sort of respect for it because of that, and I think they thought it must be very, very important if it made their parents give up their lives for it, and believe it or not, I think for many that brought about a respect for it.

    • Miss Davidoff

      Thanks a lot Dan for adding all those important details about the ranches, the lives of the children and your own experience. Were you and your wife still $cientologists when you took in all those “released” children? If so, I wonder how you could “align it” with your then most important goal of moving up the bridge / shoveling money over to Hubbard and his cult? – Anyways thank you so much for being there for them then and for raising our understanding about them now.

      • danlocke

        Thanks for your comment and acknowledgement. I think you’ll see answers to your questions in my replies to others.

      • Miss Davidoff

        Hi Dan, as I seem to be unable to answer to your post below (starting with “At the time that this occurred” because of pending moderation, Iยดm posting my answer here:

        Thanks for the background information, Dan.

        So you took in all those children as a kind of amends project to show your continuing support for the SO?

        It is amazing to what length our continuous support for a group (or a person) can go, once we have pledged loyalty to it.

        Think of the cost for 13 children in a regular day nursery. I guess, you paid for the food, too?

        And they told you you had to pay them after X years with 100 hour weeks and almost no pay!

        Concerning being blind to injustice and brutality until the inquisition knocks on
        your own door:

        For some time I thought this was a weakness too. I changed my mind. As long
        as you are still hypnotized and look at Hubbard as your savior and
        believe in his drivel you have no other choice than to be blind to the
        plight of your fellow clam. The system is
        designed this way.

        “Each on his own and all for LRH” is built into its DNA.

        Like in an MLM scheme you are indoctrinated that you can “make it” if you
        work hard enough and dedicate yourself completely to the cause. If you
        believe in this and “go all in” with your dreams, your future and your
        life you have no have no choice than to believe
        that brutality and injustice will never get at you and the friends that are
        falling to the left and to the right “pulled it in”.

        Let alone the O/W crap. Hubbard used it admittedly as a control mechanism.

        This shit was not your fault You were entangled in the spider web of a
        charismatic psychopath who knew how to employ his talents to deceive and
        to enslave.

        Itยดs sometimes quite difficult for us exes to admit that we were a victim.

        Hubbard made it so.

        • danlocke

          Thank you for these thoughts. I only took those kids in as they liked each other so much and my son included. I saw them always banding together all the time and I saw them not getting along at all with their non-Sea Org guardians. So I thought that about all they had going for them was their love for each other and I wanted to augment that and nurture that, if I could, even if I could do nothing else. And I didn’t find that I could do much else. I never considered it an amends sort of thing, just wanting to help people I felt close to. It cost me lots of money and I lost my credit trying to keep up with it, but I would definitely do it all over again, and try to do it the next time with a higher reserve of unconditional love, patience and respect. They were all fine young people and the only times I feel that I may have failed them was when I viewed them as anything short of wonderful; when I looked at them with the tired old viewpoint of “oh, they’re just so out-ethics!” or anything like that at all.

          • Miss Davidoff

            I feel humbled by your great heart, love and compassion, Dan.

            The extremely tight bondage between those kids reminds me of one of Jennas TV appearances were she talked about the same experience. “We had only each other” sums it up pretty much if I remember correctly.

            As a staff / public far away from the center of the cult I only heard it mentioned once in a hush-hush voice by another public, that conditions for the kids in the SO were “not o.k.”. At the time I rationalized it for myself as a “local outpoint” – I had no idea, what it actually meant.

            I think Gadfly from ESMB also did take care of some Sea Org children on his own initiative after he had left the SO. It would be interesting to get some numbers concerning those abandoned children on several continents.

            What a dark topic.

            • danlocke

              Thank you Miss Davidoff. Perhaps I’ll look up Gadfly. Wish you well! I always liked the people I met on staff and public in the orgs. Even though we were all a little crazy, we were all good people.

            • Miss Davidoff

              ๐Ÿ™‚ + <3

          • Zana

            I think it was an amazing thing to do. Those kids needed to stay together and they needed some safe space that understood where they had been. It wasn’t their fault they were abandoned in the SO and psychologically raped by Co$. They needed a place to heal and get stable enough to integrate with the world. Good for you for helping them. I’m sure you saved a couple of lives. Otherwise where would they go? The streets?

            • danlocke

              Thank you, Zana.

          • Watergate

            Dan, you’re a real mensch. Thank you so much for your generosity. Also, great story about your son’s determination to learn. That was another great story. ๐Ÿ™‚ Thanks again.

            • danlocke

              Thanks, Watergate!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I was wondering just how many of the CoS members who write these unintelligible missives are products of the Hubbard system of education.

      Thank you and your wife for stepping up for these kids. I am curious– would CoS policy frown on taking in kids unless you made sure they were offering some sort of compensation? You know– the whole idea that charity robs people of their dignity?

      • danlocke

        Yes, I had that point of view at the time, as I was still a card carrying Scientologist. I did my best to get them jobs and collect a bit of rent from time to time. I really had to do that, as we rented a home with 3 BRs and a guest house in the back in order to house everyone and I could not afford it on my own. I got friends who would give them jobs for $10 an hour and several of them would pay some rent when they could. One of the kids parents had received a bit of an inheritance while still in the SO and somehow they were able to hide this from everyone and they would pay me a few hundred a month that I could count on. I heard that it later got all gobbled up during “the basics” evolution.

        I wanted to, but couldn’t quite pull off a “Father Flanagan” type of attitude with these fellows. I mainly did my best to not show it when I was losing my temper and then treat them with some courtesy and respect when I was feeling better.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Nothing wrong in teaching kids responsibility. The CoS takes the notion of “charity” to a toxic level, however.

          • danlocke

            Doug Dee dot Doug… is that really “you” in your avatar thumb? I think that this is an LRH portrait, is it not? I seem to recall it from the first Volunteer Minister Handbook.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Maybe “me” in another time track or something. But not “meat” me. And yes, it is from my vintage VMH (1984 edition). This is the one with all those fabulous color photos in the front, depicting the sordid history of Mankind. This is followed by an overview of how the VM becomes a trusted member of the community. My favorite set of photos depicts the VM assisting a failing restauranteur by keenly assessing the situation by pointing out that a cook is pouring into the food from a big bottle with a white label that reads “POISON.”

            • danlocke

              The time track of LRH’s great contributions to art that all staff had to smile and shake our heads admiringly at while inwardly groaning: “The Power of Source” album of about 1975, then the VMH photos a year or so later, then the Purif promo pics of the early 80’s, followed by his worst science fiction ever, Battlefield Earth and the Mission Earth series. And then there was “The Road to Freedom” record recently shortly after he croaked. All of these, NO ONE sincerely liked, but we all knew an opinion like that could never be voiced. The only two things that the VMH photos had going for them is that they were each one in focus and the outdoor light was Caribbean brilliant. Hard to imagine poor lighting in such an amazing environment.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Were these shot in the Caribbean? I always thought these were done at Gillman Hot Springs.

              (And here’s one, for old time’s sake. It depicts the sordid state of today’s world– the reason why the CoS needs to protect their members from the rest of US!)

            • danlocke

              There’s people who occasionally comment here who were there with Ron; I was not amongst them. So, all I can tell is what I have heard from others: that these are all shot in the Carib.

              Just want to mention that, although the pics were very amateur, the book itself had a lot of the best Scientology material in it. Some will laugh, but there was good, practical material in that book that anyone could benefit from. None of the Xenu stuff and none of the control mechanisms, just good solid practical advice that worked.

            • Observer

              Those are the dumbest robbers ever. How much did they expect to get from a Mini Mart comprising one measley shelf of goods?

            • Zana

              Right on! They are dumb-looking robbers. I live in L.A. Robbers don’t look like that, unless they’re Banksters… but then they wouldn’t be wearing the stupid black mask.

            • richelieu jr

              In fact it looks as if the minimart may consist of a poster of a minimart being robbed.

              They could troll up the whole thing and walk away with it in a tube.

            • George

              LRH was a ground breaking photographer and had an amazing collection of various rare cameras, which are on display for public record. He also similar to that had an amazing collection of musical instruments like electric synthesizers and was a accomplished musician/ performer/ composer/ singer. He was a impressive, dramatic baritone, a forceful and sensitive singer. His sound was weighty and forthright, his phrasing alert, his
              interpretive approach astute.

            • Observer

              ..

            • sugarplumfairy

              Are you by any chance the same George who used to work as a mascot at City Crab And Seafood restaurant in NYC? Your comments remind me a lot of him..

            • monkeyknickers

              Nah. I listened to the Apollo All Stars record. It is genuinely an embarrassment.

              Oh wait – were you joking? Sorry.

            • Zana

              “His sound was weighty and forthright…” I stumbled on that one, too. I hope he’s joking.

            • Gus_Cox

              Thank you George, for the best laugh I’ve had all day!

            • George

              No prob, Gus_Cox, it’s a labour of love for me!

            • FistOfXenu

              This HAS TO be sarcasm.

            • Zana

              I’ve been wondering about that…the fact that everyone is hailing him as so gifted. I don’t like his writing. And I LOVE to read. I mean… my head is in a book all the time. I love history. I even like some SciFi…however, his stuff is like hack stuff. I thought it was just me. I thought there was something I wasn’t getting. Even a die-hard Scientologist (who is still in) with whom I share an obsession for Wilbur Smith’s Egyptian Series, said that she really didn’t like LRH’s writing. ๐Ÿ™‚ Whew. Reality check! Thank you.

            • danlocke

              Lots of his earlier stuff received loads of acclaim from his peers and, I think, with some justice. I am far from an aficionado of “what makes good Sci-fi” but I thought that much of his earlier stuff was entertaining and I enjoyed reading it. “Fear”, “Final Blackout” and “Death’s Deputy” come to mind. In contrast, Battlefield Earth and all the 10 vols of Mission Earth were just so cheesey. And not very good cheese, at that.

            • Observer

              Ohhh, please post that pic! Pllllllease!

        • richelieu jr

          He truly was an exceptionally poor photographer. I have always wondered what you all thought about that, actually, as clearly plenty of Scientologists have an excellent eye…

          Of course it is difficult, if not impossible, for any artist ti improve without criticism…

          I wonder– How did you reconcile that with the idea that he was supposed to be infallible in other domains you knew less about?

    • Thank you very much for that information, Dan.

      When I lived in LA, I had a friend whose parents were SO members and they grew up in the way that you mentioned. We used to hang out in our group of Scientologist friends, watch movies together, go out to eat, etc.

      One evening we were sitting around watching a movie in my living room and Adolph Hitler was mentioned in a scene. This person who had grown up in these “schools” that you mentioned asked “Who was Adolph Hitler?”

      I freaked out. To me, one of the reasons I had gotten involved in Scientology was because I thought that Scn was a solution to something like Adolph Hitler. I believed that having grown up in an environment where Scientology was running things would produce an enlightened being. This was just an assumption of mine as a Scientologist – until this person asked that question in my living room.

      It absolutely horrified me. And it was one of the cracks in the Truman Show that eventually became a chasm.

      By the way, seeing you in the RPF was another crack for me, too, which grew into a chasm, as well.

      Again, thanks for your story, Dan. And thanks for what you did for those kids.

      Alanzo

      • richelieu jr

        Wow! Talk about a reality check!

        I hope you quickly set them right, “He was a psychiatrist, honey…”

      • danlocke

        When we left, we took our then-15-year-old to the Delphi school in hopes that we might work out a way to send him there. They gave him tests and told us that he was reasonably educated to about the 4th grade. But he knew nothing about states, any local, state or national government, social studies, American or world history… nothing. So, this story you tell me does not surprise me at all.

        Our son was not accepted at Delphi. We tried home schooling and got flipped the finger by him every time we tried for about two years

        One day he started going out to the garage daily by himself with home school texts and without any help from us at all, eventually got himself through a high school GED and then on the Dean’s list at the local community college. Finally a friend helped him with scholarship papers and grant applications and, with a little financial aid from his grandpa, he got himself through Berkeley with a bachelor’s.

        Turns out that it’s in a field that he’s having a bit of a rough time finding an employer to hire him, but still it is a cool testimony to what a person can do, even when apparently disadvantaged, once he puts his mind to it.

        But it’s still interesting to talk with him and see from time to time the gaps in what might be called his “cultural literacy.” There are many things that he has never “got” that I think would have been a benefit for him to know, and that he would have known if we were not all so set off from the rest of mainstream America. (There’s a “dictionary of cultural literacy” http://books.google.com.ec/books/about/The_New_dictionary_of_cultural_literacy.html?id=GAzOg4eQl2YC&redir_esc=y that talks of this.)

      • danlocke

        I also want to mention that your always-open friendliness to me was an important part of my life before the RPF, Alan, as well as when I was on the RPF. That’s why you were amongst the first people I reached after I turned on the light switch and began to see what was going on. Hope we meet again. I think 90% of the time you and I have spent together has been spent laughing. I can always use more laughter!

    • Michael Leonard Tilse

      Thanks Dan for your personal view of this. These stories of what it was like, what was happening illuminate and break down the compartmentalization we lived with. As Sea Org or as public, no one ever knew even a fraction of what was going on. We were all busy with our own trainwrecks.

      • danlocke

        One of the most clear aspects of what you are saying is what has been revealed to us about what was occurring at Int; not just in DM times, but all along it’s history we have found that there was these ongoing dramas, politicking and in-fighting. I always wondered why people at Int Management so rarely answered my letters to them. They were very busy people. I don’t know how busy they were at doing anything productive of benefiting the expansion of any Scientology org, but they were certainly busy. And how often was Ron at the center of it all? His own worst enemy.

        • Phil McKraken

          KSB: Keeping Scientologists Busy

          (credit for that due to I know not whom)

        • Missionary Kid

          By keeping people busy, Ronnie keeps them from thinking about overthrowing him like he did to anyone who tried to succeed LRH.
          The problem is, nothing productive gets done.

    • Zana

      OMG! Thank you for that background. It is so very sad. Thank goodness you are sharing this. If I had known anything like this was going on when I started Scientology I would never have stayed. Thank you thank you thank you.

  • Kim O’Brien

    Um …the Quinn letter. Wow …that is just nothing but sad . I am stunned that this is the level of education and writing ability for a grown man. I only made it 2 min’s into the video of LRH super duper- ness before i wanted to rip off my own arm just so i had something to beat myself with.

    • Missionary Kid

      Now, now, there’s no need for self-flagellation. That’s for $cions, who pay for the privilege, unless you want to pay me. ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • George

    “Revolt in the Stars” would make an amazing movie. I hope they make it. Its’ amazing how LRH was so far ahead in his thinking of something like identity cards, a relevant subject today.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Lol.. You’re so cute.. I find delusion in a man sooooo charming..

      • Kim O’Brien

        only if he is hung like a horse

        • BuryTheNuts2

          And you own a ball gag!

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Well, now I’m uncomfortable…

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That easy…eh?

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              I’M NOT THAT EASY! That’s why I get so uncomfortable…

          • Kim O’Brien

            coffee out the nose on that one ! today is my birthday ..born 6-9-69….somehow i think a theme is starting LOL

            • SciWatcher

              Happy Birthday! Haha, nice date!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              OH happy birthday. I knew it was coming but forgot what day!!!
              Yippeee. Happy birthday you awesome witty woman.

            • Kim O’Brien

              thank you !

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              A very happy birthday to you! Today you are one day older.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i tell people i am 50 so they tell me i look amazing …;)

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              My wife is totally verklempt that you (or anyone) would print their birthdate on the internet. What, you WANT your identity stolen???

            • George Layton

              Xenu already has an I-dent card on her as it is.

            • Kim O’Brien

              i think you need a SS# to do that …facebook reminded me it was my birthday today…

            • richelieu jr

              Actually with your nae and birthdate I can get your SS# for 20 dollars if I need it quickly, for free if I have the time..

              No joke; Take ’em down, my dear.

            • Kim O’Brien

              ok ..jeez…;)

            • richelieu jr

              Not that any of us are likely to forget it… ๐Ÿ˜‰

              It will keep the bots away, though…

            • Captain Howdy

              Happy Birthday Yo!

            • Kim O’Brien

              thanks yo !

            • George Layton

              Happy Birthday Kim. Hope you have a wonderful day.

            • Kim O’Brien

              thanks..so far so good ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Missionary Kid

              Happy birthday! Hope you do something nice for yourself.

        • sugarplumfairy

          I think you and Bury scared George away.. =)

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            Either that or he’s off writing an Ethics Report on himself.

            You suggestible minxes, you!

        • SP ‘Onage

          hee haw!

    • SciWatcher

      Hahahahahahaha. Great sarcasm! Because that’s what you’re going for, right?

    • BuryTheNuts2

      ๐Ÿ˜‰
      You keeper, you!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Oh my. Be nice everyone, and don’t suddenly turn on the lights. We’ve got a live one.

      LRH was so far ahead with his plot line concerning identity cards? Like the ones that were necessary in Germany… 80 years ago?

      • George

        But it is at the center of current American debates about undocumented people. How did LRH predict that for his movie?

        • SciWatcher

          Again, hahahahahahaha! George, you really should be a comedian!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Identity cards are a hot news item RIGHT NOW? Do tell!

          • George
            • Douglas D. Douglas

              George, you make this too easy. Did you even bother to read your link? Here’s an excerpt:
              “More than 30 years ago at a Cabinet meeting on immigration reform, Ronald Reagan dismissed the idea of a national ID card with a broad smile and a wisecrack.”

              Got that? The first mention of an identity card in this article is about an effort more than 30 years old. The rest of the article deals with E-verify. This is an effort to create a (wait for it) CARDLESS system that relies on actual cutting-edge technology including databases, biometrics and, you know, futurey stuff. But don’t take my word for it. Here’s another excerpt:
              “Worse than an identity card, E-Verify will ultimately be a cardless national ID system.”

              Anything else you’d like to share about Hubbard’s awesome abilities?

    • Espiando

      Oh, George, after I stamped you into the dirt yesterday, you come back for more. This time, I’ll let others join in on the fun. Good to see you getting involved early in order to boost your stats for the week. Most of the other Scilons come here late on Wednesday or early on Thursday to get that all-important push. You, sir, are a slow-and-steady-wins-the-enturbulation type, and that’s admirable. It also means you get far more abuse.

      Bend over and grease up, buddy. It’s going to be a rocky ride.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I keep singing George of the jungle to myself. That has entertained me. So he is of some minor use.

      • George

        Your in denial about the fact the LRH was one of the first to be trained in Nuclear Physics. That’s why he was a leader in the field. He even wrote one of the cores texts about Radiation.

        • Couch_Incident

          George, I’d be very interested in hearing the details of his training in Nuclear Physics – do tell!

          • John P.

            Perhaps even more important would be to hear from George what Hubbard’s accomplishments in the field of nuclear physics are. Perhaps some quotes from “All About Radiation” would be illustrative here. Some useful background material to compare George’s reply to is here: http://www.xenu.net/archive/oca/radiation.html

            • Couch_Incident

              Great link. I really appreciated his description of how an A-bomb works – clearly the insights of someone trained in Nuclear Physics:

              “The way you make an atomic bomb is very interesting … You take a piece of plutonium here and a piece of plutonium there and you put a stick between them, you see. You fix the back piece of plutonium so that it’ll slide up and hit the front piece of plutonium when the stick hits something, and then you simply throw the stick. When the front piece of plutonium hits the ground, the back piece of plutonium hits the front piece of plutonium and it goes. And that’s a bomb. And when it goes it releases a tremendous amount of gamma and many other items much too lengthy to catalogue.”

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              I want to know who gets to put the stick between the pieces of plutonium. That’s gotta be a real short-straw assignment.

            • ze moo

              I believe that is where the phrase ‘stick it to them’ came from.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              You should read about some of the accidents that happened at Los Alamos when they were working with plutonium to figure out critical information.

            • Missionary Kid

              Read Richard Feynman’s account of what was used as a doorstop.

            • richelieu jr

              I can’t get enough of Feynman….

            • Missionary Kid

              Unfortunately, the movie about him, Infinity, even though it had Matthew Broderick, was boring. The book about him, Genius was excellent.

              I once met a man who’d had a class from him at Cal Tech. He validated that Feynman was, indeed, a genius.

            • richelieu jr

              Wow, I’ve only seen docs about him. My best friend’s dad was with him at Los Alamos…

            • Missionary Kid

              Genius is a warts and all portrait. I’ve got a copy of it somewhere. It’s by James Gleick.

              His first book, and the most popular, was, “Surely You’re Joking Mr. Feynman.” It’s a fun read.

              The second was, “What Do You Care What Other People Think?” It’s more serious, but it definitely educational. It talks about his late first wife, as well as the Challenger disaster. I think the move, “Infinity” was based on it.

              I just discovered his third book, written with a co-author that I didn’t even know about, “The Pleasure of Finding Things Out: Further Adventures of a Curious Character.

              Then there’s all the physics books. His intro lectures are considered absolutely brilliant. Cal Tech owns them, but another recording showed up that they didn’t have the rights to, and they paid off the family for it.

            • richelieu jr

              I’ve read all his own books and have them and his lectures on disc… ‘Further Adventures..” continues much in the same vein as ‘Surely…’ and ‘What do you care…”

            • John P.

              A distant relative attended CalTech in the 1950s. Feynman taught Freshman Physics and Linus Pauling taught Freshman Chemistry. Hard to beat that combination!

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t know how good a lecturer Pauling was, but, of course you’ve read what happened at Feynman’s freshman lectures. The students were dropping out, but their places were taken by other faculty and grad students, so he didn’t notice any drop in attendance.

            • Espiando

              That, of course, is utterly wrong. What Hubtard is trying to describe is a fusion bomb. Plutonium only works for fission bombs.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Sounds like Religious Bigotry to me.

            • ze moo

              Fission bombs be they plutonium or uranium are ‘a-bombs’ (fission) Either one can be used to set off a H-bomb (fusion). Lroon is describing a ‘little boy’ uranium a bomb. Plutonium bombs are the ‘fat man’ variety exploded by implosion. It takes very special high explosives to force the parts together to cause a explosion. Lrooon didn’t listen very well to post ww2 explanations of nuke-lee-ar weapons.

            • Couch_Incident

              ze moo, LRH was trained in Nuclear Physics! So what if he got his elements confused? After all there are so many (118) – its easy for even a Nuclear Physicist to get confused!

            • Espiando

              But there were only 94 elements at the time. Certainly an OT like Hubtard could have handled that few.

            • Couch_Incident

              Come on Espiando, Hubbard was trained in Nuclear Physics! All that talk we’ve heard of compression lenses for Plutonium spheres is clearly wrong!

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              No, I think it is a particularly inept description of what Hubbard thinks is a fission bomb. He has no grasp of the physics, but the description might *possibly* be seen as a “gun type” bomb similar to the “thin man” uranium bomb that was used at Hiroshima. That type ‘assembles’ the two sub-critical masses of enriched uranium fast enough that the chain reaction as the critical mass fissions actually occurs slowly enough that some useful portion of energy releases before it blows itself apart.

              In a plutonium bomb, as I understand it, the same method won’t work because the chain reaction simply happens too fast, releases too much energy too soon and it blows itself apart before enough mass can take part in the reaction.

              A plutonium bomb is the fission bomb ‘trigger’ for a multi stage fission-fusion bomb. There is no pure fusion bomb that I am aware of.

            • mirele

              *facepalm* *headdesk* You know, even I, who never took physics in high school or college, know that’s total bullshit. Good God.

            • FistOfXenu

              “And that boys and girls is how I flunked the only physics class I ever took and why I lied and lied til the day I died about my education. Love, Ron”

            • George

              Even Albert Einstein failed some courses. What is amazing is that LRH, while a rebel against the system, managed to establish himself as a real accomplished person in many different fields of achievement. Thats why his textbook is still published to this day as a core text, and available on Amazon.

            • Couch_Incident

              George, you really need to check out the link from John P. Even Mary Sue says he wasn’t a nuclear physicist. Was she an SP???

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              LRH took one course and failed it. And he certainly did “invent himself.”

              He wrote a text book? If it is just that popular, I would imagine that any number of publishers have been clamoring for the rights. Care to provide any documentation on that?

            • Kim O’Brien

              i am finding you very attractive right now …tell me more

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              George…!

            • Espiando

              Kim, you’d better hope that the brain mass that George is missing migrated down to his dick. His only saving grace might be being hung like a moose.

            • Missionary Kid

              Best comment of the day, so far.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Well, he’s as bright as a moose, anyway…

            • Couch_Incident

              Kim, are you taunting the slow kid? BTW, happy birthday!

            • Missionary Kid

              Hate to burst your bubble, but Einstein never failed a course. That’s an urban legend.

              http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1936731_1936743_1936758,00.html

            • richelieu jr

              You beat me to it, MK. It’s amazing how these things can be debunked time and time again and still not die…

              Kind of like a certain cult…

            • Missionary Kid

              And a certain troll. Thank goodness most $cions or Indies (which is what I suspect George is) have huge gaps in their education, and they don’t know how to do any research.

            • Espiando

              If his textbook is a core text, then how is it that as a student at one of the world’s most highly regarded universities in physics education, I never had it for any of my courses?

            • sugarplumfairy

              Yah.. Cause everybody who writes a book is a genius..

            • SP ‘Onage

              Wat?

            • FistOfXenu

              George, the only place LRH established himself was in his own imagination and in his self published autobiographical lies read only by $cientologists. If you ever get a chance to ask to real scientists in any field what they know of Hubbard’s research you’ll get real tired real quick of them saying “who?” His scientific research is unknown to them because he never did any and he’s unknown to them because he is nobody in the world of real science.

              LRH made up all his qualifications and claims of being a scientist. It’s all just stories like his sci fi stories and all the rest. And then he told all those self glorifying lies about himself to the only people he could expect to listen to him, his followers. Hubbard was a fraud. I’m really sorry.

              No point comparing him to Einstein either. Einstein’s school boy record doesn’t change that as a grown up he made real discoveries that still affect the modern world, and every real scientist knows about them and uses them in some way. No real physicist uses a single idea developed by Hubbard because he never came up with an original idea in science and what he did write shows he didn’t understand real science. Einstein forgot more than Hubbard ever knew and was still a genius. Hubbard invented ridiculous nonsense that was so wrong it wasn’t even worth laughing at.

              So come on, which “text book” is still a core text and where is it used except maybe in the cult’s own schools? And Amazon will sell anything. That’s not an endorsement.

        • SciWatcher

          Hahahahahahahahaha! George, your just on fire today!

        • George Layton

          I hear tell that he was way ahead of his time on that too. The professor got pissed and flunked him.

          • SciWatcher

            Hahahahahahahahahahah!

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          MY in denial? My WHAT in denial?

          LRH may have been ahead of himself in nuclear physics (or is it just that much more special when you write it with caps?), but you are far from advanced with your inability to differentiate between “your” and “you’re.”

          Not that it matters– any more than LRH’s easily refuted claim to be an engineer of any kind.

          • Pinkhammer

            Oops! Didn’t read your post before I replied… I like yours better!

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              You are succinct and I am snarky. Together we’re like a Reese’s Peanut Butter Cup of officiousness…

            • Pinkhammer

              That’s why I’m better with small children than with adolescents… But I aspire to be witty when I grow up! I think hanging out here is part of my training!

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              What I like here is that the room is definitely for grown-ups.

        • Espiando

          We people who have actually studied physics regard All About Radiation as comedy. It’s utterly wrong in every single area.

          Hubtard took his only physics course, which, as everyone here has said, he failed, in 1931. By that time, Rutherford’s most important work was in textbooks, Schroedinger had already assembled his wave equations, Heisenberg had proposed the Uncertainty Principle, Compton had done most of his important work, Bohr had described the structure of the nucleus, and Dirac was beginning his mathematical modeling. Those are pioneers, not some failure at George Washington University.

          And if Hubtard was so great, why wasn’t he part of the hand-picked assembled team at my alma mater, the University of Chicago, alongside the incredible geniuses like Fermi and Segre (who was the author of the textbook for my nuclear physics class, which I did not fail), during the Manhattan Project? No, he was in a sailor suit shooting shells at uninhabited Mexican islands.

          George, if you continue in this vein, I personally will give you the Edward II treatment.

        • SP ‘Onage

          George, are you serious or are you just pulling our tallywackers?

          • richelieu jr

            I’m voting troll…

          • FistOfXenu

            If he’s pulling my tallywacker my wife is gonna make cat food out of him. She’s possessive like that.

        • Pinkhammer

          It’s “you’re” not “your” and either “core” or “Core’s” depending on your meaning… Oh, and you can lose the capital letters for nuclear physics and radiation. They are not proper nouns.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Even though I am grammatically lazy……this was hilarious.

            • Pinkhammer

              I don’t actually care if my friends are grammatically lazy, or bad spellers either! It’s just the people who are trying to make themselves sound important. Oh, and published advertisements and signs…

            • Semper Phi

              Exactly. But if someone goes around saying he’s better than the poor old “homo sap”, well then he’d better at least know how to write a coherent sentence.

        • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

          Physics, schmisics!

          Who cares George?

          Certainly not we in RTC.

          All we care about is that you personally donate $40,000 to upgrade your IAS Patron status by next Thursday!

          • George

            Even if he did not publish his research in journals, due to his position as one of the earliest Nuclear Physicists, he was a leader amongst the scientists and tried his best to keep them on a good path during a dangerous time frame in our history.

            • Espiando

              You still haven’t answered anyone’s questions, bitch. Time for the Edward II. Bend over, here come the red hot pokers…

            • Couch_Incident

              Easy now Espiando! Note we’ve got two different Georges now (check their postings). Which is the OSA plant and which is the Cultega trickster? It’s a wilderness of mirrors!

            • Espiando

              But the pokers have been in the brazier all day. It’d be a shame to waste them. OSA or troll, makes no difference…

            • Couch_Incident

              You’ve got a point – SOMEONE has to pay!

          • Bella Legosi

            I thought the ultimate gift to IAS was $100,000 plus 25% tithe on one’s retirement or social security?

            Does the RTC openly promote reverse mortgages to it’s parishioners? That would seem like a great investment RTC! What kid needs the house they grew up in when they can live wonderfully and happily with in the theata environment of Int Base?

        • richelieu jr

          Guys, he’s a Troll, not a Scilon…..

    • Missionary Kid

      Great sarcasm!!!

      • Espiando

        Unfortunately, given the evidence of yesterday and today, he’s serious.

        • Missionary Kid

          I know that. What he wrote, though, is perfect sarcasm.
          I use the phrase on true believers who have no idea of how stupid they sound.

          • Isaac Clark

            I think it really was sarcasm.

            • Missionary Kid

              I don’t. He has none of OTV8ISGREAT’s sense of irony, especially the way he came here yesterday.

            • Isaac Clark

              I guess I mean he seems more like a troll

            • Missionary Kid

              A troll, who actually believes that shit.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              A troll is a troll is a troll.

            • Douglas D. Douglas

              Well thank you, Gertrude Sue Stein…!

            • Missionary Kid

              Damn! Somebody’s read something outside of cult literature. Thank goodness, that’s common here.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Was it my ” self defined genius” that tipped you off?

            • FistOfXenu

              And we all know what trolls live under right?

            • Isaac Clark

              It just seems like each post is intentionally a foot bullet.

            • Missionary Kid

              Now you’re starting to understand why $cions are so much fun.

            • Isaac Clark

              That wouldn’t really be a troll, that would just be a scilon

            • Missionary Kid

              Most $cions don’t come here, I would assume they’re an Indy still infected with bad infromation promulgated by LRH.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      It is amazing how amazing it is it, isn’t it? Just… amazing.

    • ze moo

      The ‘identity card’ abuse started in ww 1 germany. Soviet Russia raised them to the ultimate level of control in the 20’s. Lrooon stole every idea he published.

    • richelieu jr

      Guys, don’t feed the Troll…

      • FistOfXenu

        But we have to save the billy goats gruff.

        • richelieu jr

          I’m sure there’ll be enough gruff for all the goats, FoX!

    • N. Graham

      It would be kind of cool in the way that my friends and I like to watch parts of Battlefield Earth and left because it is so Plan 9 from Outer Space awful it’s funny! It would be great lulz!

  • SciWatcher

    Quinn’s geography is as good as his grammar. I never realized the greater L.A. area stretches all the way from the coast to Nevada!

  • HeatherGraceful

    I’m amazed that 60 Minutes Australia was up for a Scientology story. We’ve had so many here. But kudos to Jenna and Dallas. I LOVED Jenna’s answer to the question whether she’s trading on her uncle’s name. Uh, if his name gets the message out – AWESOME! Perfect, jenna.

    And I loved hearing from Dallas.

    Finally, I can put aside the grammar and the cultspeak in Quinn’s letter. I’ve got to say, there’s something about him that I like. His letter comes across as more genuine, more human, than many other Scientology efforts. I kind of like him.

  • Mary_McConnell

    Text-To-Speech, ugh….. I’d prefer to read the script…

    Re: Jenna and Dallas on 60Mins in AU…
    I think of the many thousands who watched and will watch this; how moved they will be. How informative it is. How brave of Jenna and Dallas to keep speaking up, especially now to the media in Australia, where Jenna got her first taste of freedom and sense that there is a whole world out there outside of Scientology and it’s not bad like the cult wanted her to think.

    I so admire Jenna and Dallas for doing this. The interviewer was excellent, as well. Very damning piece that the cult would not want people to see.

    Readers, do share this with your “wog” friends, and ask them to share as well. Help spread the word that Scientology is a cult and here is some more proof of it.

    • HeatherGraceful

      Nicely said, Mary. I had several phone calls and a fellow at work mention that the story was going to be on tonight. Jenna’s story mirrors those of other former child members that some of the Australian public will be familiar with.

      • sister wendy

        so great to see and hear Dallas too..

    • richelieu jr

      Also, and all of you wogs with Scilon Dentists or Physicians, please show them this as well..

      This is known as “Wogging You Doc”, and should be done severall times a day, preferably.

  • Bradley Greenwood

    I listened to ten minutes of the oration; I have adult ADD; I am proud of this accomplishment. The script is nauseatingly bad, and reeks of the cold-war period in which it was written.

  • stateofcircle

    I have a headache and nausea from today’s exercise in homo Novis abilities.

    • Miss Davidoff

      Donยดt blame Ron – blame yourself and pay.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Would a Touch Assist help?

      (Ever?)

      • FistOfXenu

        Depends who you touch and where and how. And whether they like it or not. And maybe get a room.

      • monkeyknickers

        As long as it included an aspirin and some ginger ale.

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          What, nothing stronger???

  • BuryTheNuts2

    Off topic but funny,
    Rinders blog says that COB is supposedly at FLAG now. So with that in mind, we went by the Osceola apartments while in Clearwater yesterday and took some pictures.
    Assuming that COB “may” be staying in the very nice top floor penthouse apartment,… after I took all the pictures I wanted…I also sent COB a mistake proof message in sign language from the bunkerites.
    (I didn’t want him to have an MU)

    • monkeyknickers

      Did you see my sister?

      I should’ve given you a tranquilizer gun just in case you did.

      • SP ‘Onage

        hahaha!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Oh, if I would have and known it was her I would have begged her to come with me, but security was waiting for us by the time we reached downtown.
        We went to the apartments and distribution center first.

        • monkeyknickers

          Well if you go back, and don’t have a tranquilizer in hand, you have the family’s support to cold-cock her and put her in your trunk. ๐Ÿ™‚

          Just kidding about the trunk part. You can strap her to bicycle rack.

    • SP ‘Onage

      Nice!

  • Mark Bunker

    I love how the text to speech knows the correct pronunciation of ga-LAX-y.

    • SciWatcher

      Yeah, I was wondering if they went in and changed it to “guhlaxy” before they put it through the text-to-speech.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I know how to do this. Text-toSpeech is a mindless robot that will read anything it is told. (And never had to go through thousands of hours of auditing to achieve this!) To make a word like “galaxy” come up “guh-LAX-y,” you simply replace the word “galaxy” with a phrase like “gull lack sea.” Each is a legitimate word, and would phonetically replicate LRH’s tortured enunciation.

    • monkeyknickers

      Some cat did his homework. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • sister wendy

      I’ve totally been mis-pronouncing Xenu and Teegeeack – thank you LRH for making my day a better place

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Once again we are presented with an awesome, awesome example of how Scientology produces the world’s worst communicators.

    Any English mavens in the Bunker who would like to take a stab at diagramming this gem?
    “The trick, I think, and Iโ€™d love to have your feedback on this, isnโ€™t what one or two people do that we think ought to donate the total sum needed.”

    They are capable of simple declarative sentences, though. Pity that those turn out to be the lies:
    “Itโ€™s not a money cycle. Itโ€™s really not.”

    • “The trick, I think, and Iโ€™d love to have your feedback on this, isnโ€™t what one or two people do that we think ought to donate the total sum needed.”

      I think “the trick” is supposed to be the subject, but where is the verb? I have no clue what that sentence is supposed to communicate.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        It’s like a verbal mobius strip…

  • SciWatcher

    Off topic, but there’s a fun little discussion going on over here: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2013/06/elisabeth-moss-praises-scientology/

    • noseinabk

      Next time whisper the link so George doesn’t hear you. ;-0)

      • SciWatcher

        Heh-heh, I will!

  • Spackle Motion

    I love the “WIN” that is in the bottom right hand corner of the 60 mins piece. I’m sure it is some station call letters, but it is very suiting to her story.

    Also, the “nom nom nom” poster in the background of a few shots. They must have filmed that inside Jenna’s house.

  • Michael Leonard Tilse

    Funny how Hubbard moved from “…contains very little sex, no nudity…” of “Revolt in the Stars through the subliminal sex-slave codpieces of the psychlos in “Battlefield Earth” and into full on porn scenes in “Mission Earth”. Seriously, parts of Mission Earth are just depraved.

    When I was a scientologist it was hard to twist this into alignment with Hubbard’s self promoted “Most Ethical Being on the Planet” status. Finally to sort it out I had to mentally reframe it: It’s satire! It’s comedy showing how SPs are degenerate! Ah, the twists we gave ourselves to try to straighten out the tangled web Hubbard wove.

    • Gerard Plourde

      “Funny how Hubbard moved from “…contains very little sex, no nudity…” of “Revolt in the Stars through the subliminal sex-slave codpieces of the psychlos in “Battlefield Earth” and into full on porn scenes in “Mission Earth”.”

      Your post answers a question I raised on Friday’s blog about the possibility that Hubbard wrote pornography.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        You bet Hubbard wrote pornography!

        • Gerard Plourde

          It had to be. So many situations and so much of the dialogue in Dianetics leaned that way.

        • richelieu jr

          A circle jerk that has lasted 60 years…

      • media_lush

        full on porn scenes in “Mission Earth”

        OMG – the Hubster wrote porn? ….. if anybody could post a couple of extracts I would be indebted …. as I’m sure most others here would

        • DodoTheLaser

          Let’s just say, they will NEVER make a movie out of Mission Earth.
          Not scientologists. Hubbard really unleashed it in that one. It’s way overboard, imo.

          It has plenty of wickedly graphic content that would make even some porn stars feel uneasy, I’m pretty sure.

          When I read it years ago, I couldn’t believe Hubbard wrote it.
          But he sure did.

          There are pdfs floating around that google can help you find.

    • pronoia

      Hubbard was the penultimate opportunist. He sold what he thought would sell. As the 50s morphed into the 60s and flipped into the 70s he tried to keep up.

      • Observer

        I bet he was miffed that he had to keep up with the culture and not the other way around.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I made it through the entire video clip! I will be sending my Freeloader bill to the CC in LA later.

    For those who bailed early on, just a quick note. The treacherous (oops, I mean heroic) Lady Min manages her escape in a space yacht with the assistance of her noble press agent Ap. So there’s a fine twist to the plot, anyway.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    I also note that the final text in the video ends with the words “Praise Xenu.” It must be doubly frustrating to anyone above OTIII that not only is Xenu revealed to all the world, but that the wogs keep treating him as if he were some sort of Scientology god. Xenu is a mere mortal, albeit one of immense power and evil.

    It must be the way pedantic film buffs feel whenever Boris Karloff is referred to as “Frankenstein” in all those old monster movies. Karloff was the MONSTER. Frankenstein was the SCIENTIST. You people keep getting it WRONG!

    • FistOfXenu

      I am NOT evil!

      Well, except for Thursdays at 1:45pm

    • Observer

      I wonder how many OTs know about Revolt in the Stars, or if they are aware of it believe someone else actually wrote it …

    • richelieu jr

      Excellent example, 3D! The ‘Frankenestein’ thing does bug me!

  • richelieu jr

    Glad to see this version of the script.. I’ll have to check it against line, see if they’re from the same source at least…

    Once again, if anybody has any anecdotes about this project to tell, or better yet, personal experiences, I’d love to hear them. Any names of those involved directly would be a big help as well..

    We can speak off-list…

  • villagedianne

    I agree with Hubbard about “the consequences of oppressing populations and minorities with taxation, identity cards and all-powerful secret police”. These are dangerous tools in the hands of a dictatorship . . . like Scientology!

    In all seriousness though, if facism comes to the United States, it will probably be super-patriotic-red-white-and blue, and possibly religious as well. And because of new technology it will be much harder for people to hide or escape like some Jews did in Nazi Germany..

    • pronoia

      Neither Hubbard or Hitler invented secret police or spies. And because of new technology it will be impossible to hide genocide (is anyone paying attention to Syria?). And dissendents (see ai Wei Wei) are getting harder to disappear.

      So yeah. Hubbard did not have a clue what the future might bring.

  • SP ‘Onage

    Off topic: With all the news about the NSA scandal mining American and Foreign personal data. Why is scientology still in business? I’m sure they have all the proof they need to justify a raid by now.

    I’m I the only one who thinks this is weird?

    • Espiando

      It isn’t weird for those of us who are old enough (in my case, barely) to know about COINTELPRO. This is just a technologically-updated version of that.

      • SP ‘Onage

        COINTELPRO? Thanks, something else I have to look up.

        • Spackle Motion

          Oh boy. I’m surprised when people don’t know about COINTELPRO. Have fun going down that rabbit hole. In my opinion, Scientology makes COINTELPRO look like child’s play.

          • Douglas D. Douglas

            And while you’re at it, Google “Mighty Wurlitzer” and “CIA.”

            Happy reading!

          • SP ‘Onage

            I pretty much had my head in the sand until I became a sci-watcher. I am proud to say, “I am not a sheeple anymore.”

            I now want to learn as much as I can and question everything. I think my IQ is rising because you guys/gals have inspired me to learn. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • richelieu jr

              Just be sure not to disappear down the ‘Alex Jones’-stye conspiracy rabbit-hole… Just because conspiracies exist doesn’t mean everything is a conspiracy.

            • SP ‘Onage

              That’s funny you should say that. I did discover his site and youtube videos. I take what he says with a ‘grain of salt.’ I hope I never get that paranoid. LOL!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      I am sure that because of past missteps that the Feds will want to have everything very well sewn up before they make a major move.

      • SP ‘Onage

        I hope so.

    • sister wendy

      to me it’s weird that people didn’t know this was already happening The data mining has been going on for years. Were people really not aware of this? I was surprised this was considered a scandal.

  • Isaac Clark

    I find it telling that Xenu wanted to reprogram his girl friend’s brain, since she’d be more fun that way. Just like ol’ LRH, wanting to make robots out of people.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      You let those gals think for themselves and they be nothin’ but trouble.

      (I am sure that’s etched in titanium somewhere.)

    • Observer

      Or Unitology, wanting to help people “ascend.” ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Isaac Clark

        I have so much work to do:)

      • Missionary Kid

        Wait a minute! as a friend of mine says, Unitarians worship the Unit.

        • Observer
          • Missionary Kid

            I didn’t know that, but I thought you’d appreciate the reference. Thanks

            • Observer

              Sorry, I didn’t mean to be a wet blanket. I played Dead Space 2, and the similarities are far more than passing. The article does a great job of identifying them. (Isaac Clarke is the protagonist.)

            • Missionary Kid

              No harm, no foul, no need for an apology. I’m finding the article interesting. Thanks again.

            • Missionary Kid

              The comments in the article seem to be universally hostile to Co$. Anon and others have done their job.

              My favorite: “Scientology is the world’s most retarded pyramid scheme.”

            • monkeyknickers

              I couldn’t get thru Dead Space ONE . . . . it was too goddamn scary for me. Hilarious, no?

            • Observer

              Those are the scariest games I’ve ever played. The third one was slightly less so than the first two. From the way DS3 ended I’m guessing there’s going to be another one.

            • monkeyknickers

              I think I’ll stick with Mass Effect. ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Unitarians are on an honest search that will lead them to the place of searching.

          • Missionary Kid

            Mort Sahl said that when Unitarians pray, they say, “To whom it may concern.”
            As an atheist, I feel completely comfortable in a Unitarian group.

            • Kim O’Brien

              ditto ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • richelieu jr

          I’ gonna reprogramme my gal to worship my Unit!

  • AnonymousSP

    It must be the final piece because Quinn said so FOUR times.
    Such a silly, silly, silly, silly cult.

    • Espiando

      That “l” really should be an “n”, shouldn’t it?

  • aquaclara

    The depth of Quinn’s devotion to the cult is revealing. Nine years, and he’s sure that this reflects efforts worth repeating. Nine years, and it’s still simple. Nine years at the same job, a ten million dollar goal, and he’s still optimistic and dedicated.
    I’m sorry for him. What must it take for a dedicated cult member like him to see what’s going on? He’s following the Portland story, so maybe if that fails, there could be a chance.
    What a shame. Damn cult anyway.

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    “Wow, amazing, I mean who gets to live on a ranch in this day and age.” That is such a ridiculous answer, the church clearly has no idea how close it is to the edge. They might as well have said “wow, amazing, I mean, who gets to experience slave labor as a child these days!”

    The cult’s rule book is outdated, and it isn’t going to going to save the church. My only question is when are the celebrities going to wake up and realize that Miscavige is killing their careers?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Celebrity starts and ends, with a healthy dose of self-delusion.

    • Missionary Kid

      Hey, farms need people to clean out the stalls and fee the animals.

      • Espiando

        And FSMs are expert at feeing the animals.

        • Missionary Kid

          I didn’t catch it until your post, (laughing) but I meant to write feed. I’m not going to change it. Thanks again for ‘splainin.

      • FistOfXenu

        They need people that are used to shoveling horseshit and bullshit. $cientology can help you with that. Just follow the Regging Officer and sign up for a Dissemination Course.

        • Missionary Kid

          That’s why their leader is also known as L. Ron Bullshit.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Grrr.

    Powerful OTs must be enterbulating the Disqus. I have all these notifications, and every time I click on them I go the same section of the thread.

    If anyone is trying to carry on a conversation, I truly am not ignoring you. I just don’t know you are there. Oh, and I hate you. (Just thought I’d throw that last bit in to cheer up the sad little clams who are spending their Sunday mornings working off some A-E. Good job! You are making a difference!)

  • pronoia

    Hahahaha! Quinn feels the need to promise the gun shy OTs that it is not a “money cycle”. Question is, how many OTs in that huge circumference he has mapped will actually believe him. Based on their past experience that is.

    • Phil McKraken

      Heh. The interesting question to me is how many of those OTs believe the part about this one building being the final piece of the puzzle to finally clear the LA region. That’s what gets me. How the fuck do these people not remember all the times before when it was the final push to achieve some or other goal which has yet to come to pass?

      Also, “confidential briefings” are super sucker bait. Fools.

  • TheLurkingHorror

    I’ll bet even real live “Hollywood actors” (wow, lol) can’t save what promises to be a real stinker.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Actually, the Golden Age Theater presentations are supposed to be a real hoot. It’s a live version of old-time radio, using material written by L. Ron Hubbard back when he was not yet completely around the bend.

      • TheLurkingHorror

        Oh,ok, like “A Prairie Home Companion”. Are they meant to be a hoot or do they just turn out that way?

        • Douglas D. Douglas

          Can’t really say as I have not experienced one.

    • ze moo

      This ‘show’ has been touring the country all winter. I wonder how much it costs for the ‘crew’ to come to town and how much they raise???

  • SP ‘Onage

    Another off topic question.

    I can use my tablet all day long without it getting hot, but as soon as I go on the Underground Bunker it heats up. Is anyone else having this problem? Tinfoil?

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      The OTs did it. They are just that good.

      (Now, when the planet is Clear, do I get a slightly larger bunk in the RPF for that one?)

      • SP ‘Onage

        ๐Ÿ˜€

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    We in RTC quite agree with Quinn Taufer that Scientology regges know how to “End Phenomena.”

    Specifically, they know how to end phenomena known as your bank account, investments, home equity, and all other forms of savings. You do not need that money anyway, for as the Founder has written:

    “โ€œAdvanced Courses are the most valuable service on the planet. Life insurance, houses, cars, stocks, bonds, college savings, all are transitory and impermanent… There is nothing to compare with Advanced Courses. They
    are infinitely valuable and transcend time itself.โ€

    And so it is with Ideal Orgs: They are infinitely valuable and transcend time itself. When you step into an Ideal Org it’s “POW! I am outside of time and visibly disoriented!” And so that is another reason one needs auditing.

    We in RTC add that Quinn’s letter is very dangerous to him as he takes credit for opening Ideal Orgs all over the world.

    Let’s just say that COB was not BD’ing on Quinn’s letter and has summoned Quinn for an extensive RTC sec check on the meter!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Greetings, OTVIIIisGrrr8! Your compatriot “George” has been offering pitiful gruel for the hungering Bunkerites. I hope you have arrived with the real meal– a five star buffet the likes of which is rarely seen beyond the dining accommodations aboard the Free Winds.

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        Yes, George is a horrible wretch, a pathetic demon out of a Chick tract:

        http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/ChickDemon_zps277c23f9.png

        • richelieu jr

          You gotta love Chick’s idea of ‘scary’!

          • stateofcircle

            I was never aware of Chick Tracts befor it was mentioned in the comments a few weeks ago, I think by Missionary Kid (I might be mistaken), and I have read a ton of the exerpts from the publishing website. It has provided me with not only the knowledge and morality I so desperately needed, but endless entertainment!

            • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

              The Church of Scientology Explained Using the Art of Jack Chick โ€“ Part 1
              http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2013/06/06/scientology-as-understood-by-christian-artist-jack-chick-part-1/

            • stateofcircle

              I am, as always, ever amazed by you, OT8. How do you in RTC ever find the time to provide us lowly wogs with such glorious blog and shoop tech?

            • Couch_Incident

              Your Eminence, the masses await Part 2!

            • Couch_Incident

              Because you’ve immersed yourself in Jack Chick, you’re now ready for a Cthulhu parody, “Who Will Be Eaten First?”: http://jackchick.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/chick-parody-who-will-be-eaten-first/

            • Missionary Kid

              Great!

            • Missionary Kid

              I replied to someone’s mention of it. I’ve been aware of Chick Tracts for many decades.

              They’re basically evangelical fundamentalist cartoons. I think that the people hiding them in public places where someone will come across them or passing them out get more out of them than anyone who gets one.

              The Chick tracts are all black and white in perspective, and IMO, life isn’t that simple. They remind me of Co$: our way is the only way.

        • B.B. Broeker

          Why, oh why, has there not been a Scientology Chick tract?

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Scientology is simply not succinct enough!

  • richelieu jr

    Boy, you would think that L Ron’s talk of ‘extensive research’ and ‘extensive surveys’ of the word’s taste would be a real wake-up call to any people still believing any of his malarkey has any merit at all.

    I’m pretty sure it came out of the same black hole the rest of his ‘research’ for Dianetics did.. Did I say ‘black hole’? My bad, I met ‘brown orifice’…

  • richelieu jr

    Did anyone else suddenly get a warning in Russian saying that the video is no longer available?

    • Missionary Kid

      That’s happened before, and I usually have to refresh my browser. I hope that works for you.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        You mean all you have to do is refresh your browser to defeat SMERSH? Even LRH didn’t figure out that one…

        • Missionary Kid

          It worked for me, once, and I hope that it worked again for richelieu jr.
          I thought we were SMERSH.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Gadzooks! SMERSH has arrived!

  • thetruthisfree

    You go, Jenna girl! There are more of us than there are of them and we believe you.

    David M. your castle is being sieged upon…the moat is draining (all the alligators guarding it are leaving to find cleaner, more free waters), the draw bridge is getting clobbered and you will be standing there, all by your lonesome like the emperor with no clothes. Be afraid, be very afraid.

  • richelieu jr

    So, as I understand it– the Valley’s new Stragtegy, from the ocean to Nevada is to… Be just a little worse than Portland?

    That’s a rallying cry if I’ve ever heard one!

    I never wanted to be a Humanitarian before, but if I can be just a bit worse than Portland, I’m a wanna get me a piece of that!

  • richelieu jr

    She came from Planet Clear
    I knew she came from… here…

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I love u!

  • California

    Maybe off-topic but: Nine years ago, on June 9, 2004, the SF Chronicle began a 12-article series on Narconon Drug Education in the SFUSD and through-out the California public education system, by-lined by education reporter Nanette Asimov. (The articles can be found in the archives section of the SF Chronicle.)

    This was, I think, the beginning of the end of Narconon Drug Education in the U.S. as well as helping to lead to the long-anticipated closing of the Narconon Drug Rehabilitation facilities (hopefully in 2013/2014) as the unscientific and dangerous nature of the Narconon Drug Rehabilitation program began to be disseminated by the SF Chronicle and then in national and international media coverage.

    When the California Department of Education agreed to evaluate the Narconon Drug Education curriculum, in April of 2004, the small team knew that we were over-the-hump in finally getting some public education recognition directed the challenges attendant to Narconon Drug Education being forced into California’s public education classrooms, without parental knowledge or permission. And we were. With the continuing articles from Nanette delineating the extent of Narconon Drug Education in California public schools and teaching about the false-science of Narconon Drug Education, the general public plus the public education and substance abuse education sector became aware of the problems with Narconon and its relationship with Scientology.

    And the various statements and actions of Clark Carr, Head of the SF Org and OSA Jeff Quiros, Tony Blysma, SCN Patron George Wynns, SFUSD BOE member Jill Wynns, OSA Eugene Ingram, Bob Adams, assorted P.I.’s and OSAs quickly educated the San Francisco Police Department and others about the lengths that SCN/Narconon would go in order to remain having access to the school children in California. And they all flunked.

    In Feb. 2005, the California Department of Education issued its findings (here is the beginning: http://www.cde.ca.gov/ls/he/at/narcononevaluation.asp) against Narconon Drug Education and recommending against its use in California public and charter schools. We still use this study and finding in educating school boards, parents, superintendents and principals when Narconon Drug Education tries to gain access to students.

    In the SFUSD there were three main opponents to both the evaluation of the Narconon Drug Education program and its removal from the SFUSD curriculum in August, 2004: Superintendent Arlene Ackerman (deceased in Feb. 2013), Head of Student Health Programs Trish Bascom (now under arrest for 94 felony and misdemeanor offenses involving the misappropriate and removal of $15M+ from the SFUSD) and SFUSD Board of Education President Jill Wynns, whose husband George was the first Scientologist to threaten, on Oct. 15th, 2002. She is now the President of the California School Board Association.

    I anticipate that by this time next year that all the Narconons in the US will be closed, that Narconon Drug Education will still try and fail to gain access to the public, charter and private education students in the U.S. and the SCN will be diminished.

    • ze moo

      Even if Narc Arrowhead and Georgia are closed, there are still 36 NarCONons left in the US and I have no idea how many outside of the US. Getting California, Michigan and Nevada to close their NarCONons alone is a nasty task. Then we have to find and close the hidden NarCONons. It is going to take continued pressure and eduction to end the sauna con.

      • California

        Remember, the federal government (SAMHSA) are now setting standards for rehabilitation facilities, based on the strict ones already in force in the mental health facilities for years, and I do not think that Narconon can change and meet the new criteria to keep their accreditation and keep their doors open. This challenge of Narconon Drug Rehabilitation programs are no longer being handled just activists, victims and ex’es although all the information that people have at their disposal should be sent to the state over-sight agencies, as well as the attorneys dealing with the law-suits against Narconons.

  • richelieu jr

    Wait a minute- Phil Proctor is a $cilon? What about the other Firesign guys?

    I am surprised to hear this because he isn’t trotted out as a celebrity whereas for a certain epoch he was huge and even today he’s in Pixar films, and a lot of Hollywood stuff..C an this be true?

    • 1subgenius

      If not he’s a helluva shill.

    • Bella Legosi

      This makes me sad

      >(

    • Looks like most of his work lately has been in video game voice work.

  • media_lush

    OMG – you’ll never guess what Tommy Girl is doing now…. he’s shilling for Walmart!!!!

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/06/tom-cruise-addresses-walmart-shareholder-meeting/

    here’s my comment there:

    “In PR terms Walmart have jumped the shark….. in fact the toxicity surrounding Cruise and cult is so pungent I wouldn’t be surprised if their stock price falls because of this.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Just remember: When you read Radar Online, you are reading The National Enquirer.

      That said, how funny that the whole focus of the article is on TC and Walmart’s hypocrisy in positioning themselves as champions of the poor.

      And how amusing that the last video is entitled “Tom Walmart.”

    • Sunny Sands

      It’s well known that Walmart treats its employees badly; i.e. low wages, few benefits. Of course TC uses sea org slave labor to build his private airplane hangar, he would have no problem with that.

      • Bella Legosi

        So true! There is a hell………..this match was made there. I am becoming more convinced lol Do you see a future where the billion year contract has a sub contract to work for WalMart???

        • George

          They have a nice mens clothes line there

          • Bella Legosi

            Doesn’t out weigh the mental torture I endure while shopping there I assure you. Nordie Rack has better clothes that are cheaper then Fred Meyer’s lines, but more spendy then WalMart. I grudgingly enter WalMart to shop these days. My cousin worked there as a Customer Service Manager. She also banked thru them. She deposited her check and wrote a check for rent, that ended up bouncing because WalMart “bank” misplaced her money in the account, she was fired the next day and told “It was our bad, but we have policies to follow. You can apply for a job on the bottom and work your way back up! We are willing to do that for ya!” So she said fuck them and got a job that week with WinCo

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Lol, nobody outside of the PN has a clue woke Fred Myers IS!

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              I actually understood that.

            • coonellie

              Me, too. Scary!

            • Bella Legosi

              lol I had the same thought with WinCo………..cuz I was thinking if WalMart and Costco had a bastard baby it would surly be Winco

              K…………Fred Meyer’s is a huge chain of grocery stores here in the NW and Alaska. They are not unlike Safeway (please tell me you east coasters know this chain!) They sell food and lines of clothing. When I started working at the Rack I noticed a lot of the clothing lines that FM sold were also sold at the Rack, but for far less. Come to find out FM and Safeway (as well as Nordrstrom) are all Mormon owned. At least that is what I have come to find out, however Nordstrom and Safeway in particular do have a somewhat good reputation with the LGBT community here in Portland (can’t speak for them outside Oregon) Homophobia was very much discouraged with in Nordstrom, especially in the lingerie and make up departments (they actually showed a training video of a man buying women’s underwear and how that sales person should act) and one of the manager’s at my local Safeway is in the process of a sex change, to which she told me the management of that store was supportive and some of the cost for the shrink and hormones was covered on her health plan (I call her a her cuz damn it she is almost there and has wanted this for years, I still get shit about calling her a her with some people)

            • N. Graham

              I always think of the 2010s Axis of Terror as the Church of $cientology, North Korea, and WalMart.

            • Bella Legosi

              Aye Co$, NoI, and Monsanto/ConAgra are my Axis of Evil

              I really dispise Monsanto and ConAgra. I have read “Fast Food Nation” and had to read all about Monsanto when I was in alternative high school. One of Monsanto’s unapproved wheat strains has ended up in a supply from Oregon, prompting Japan to cancel a lot of wheat contracts with farms here in Oregon. It has been in the news, but I am not sure how much outside Oregon.

              For as much as Oregon likes to claim they are socially aware or liberal, many know not that Oregon has been testing grounds for Monsanto and the CIA’s drone program. They also are surprised to find out that one of the cyber warfare divisions for the US Army is based in Ft. Lewis, Washington, which isn’t that far from this “liberal” city. I like to think of Portland as being fashionably liberal with a lot of Starbucks Philosophers. When it comes down to it and you actually begin to tell them about Monsanto, drones, or even Co$ they look at you like you are some crazy conspiracy theorist. That is until their little lives are effected by any of the above mentioned, that is when they get their coffee shop friends together for a good old fashioned protest, which lasts about 5min, just long enough to make people feel better and like they actually changed things, which they never do. I sound cynical, but I have observed this in action with so many things in this city, especially when it comes to our “beat, mace, and arrest” city police.

            • Michael Leonard Tilse

              WinCo rocks!

          • stateofcircle

            See, now this comment leads me to believe this George character is a joke.

    • 1subgenius

      Delicious.
      Cruise/Walmart
      Cos/NoI

      • Bella Legosi

        They are finally getting the point! These are the ONLY people left they can shill their crap too! Good for instant gratification profits, but WalMarters really love their Jesus. So I think this is all just for promulgation and profit

    • Bella Legosi

      Please remember that 80% of Walmart shoppers these days have the reading ability’s of 3rd graders. I am sorry, but whenever I step into any Walmart I am struck by the sight of absolute trash. It is a modern day leper colony. Here is photographic and video graphic proof. Show me a Walmart where there isn’t teen moms yelling obscenity’s at their children, obese people on Rascels buying Ding Dongs/soda, or just plain trash of every size and color………hint……..it’s almost like finding a Clear.

      http://youtu.be/ghrDIQ-K8mg

      I have shopped at many stores all over Oregon, Washington, and Alaska. It has been only Walmart where I have witnessed what can only be described as total “Idiocrasy” http://youtu.be/BBvIweCIgwk

      If Tom is shilling for this corporation……..let him. Let him sink to the level we all know he is fully capable of reaching!

      • stateofcircle

        There was actually a class at my college called The Sociology of Walmart, which I took. It was very, very eye opening. I’m going to try and see if I still have my notebooks, there was a lot of really interesting info….although it was ten years ago, so probably nothing groundbreaking now. I only go when I absolutely have no choice, I.e. when it’s the only place to go when traveling. On the plus side, if you ever need to feel good about yourself and need a little pick me up, Walmart is the place to go.

        • John P.

          There is a website for postgraduate study in the sociology of Wal-Mart called thepeopleofwalmart.com. A guilty pleasure, particularly when I am on the Global Capitalism HQ managing general partner’s Boeing Business Jet and we call it up on the projection screen in the forward lounge.

          • sugarplumfairy

            Aaaaggghhhh..

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Where do you think we in the CoS recruit people for Bridge Publications?

          • DodoTheLaser

            A guilty pleasure indeed.

            [IMG]http://i43.tinypic.com/308ikwl.jpg[/IMG]

            “Congrats Grads” – Too funny!

            http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/page/8/

        • Bella Legosi

          Nice! I took a Media/Advertising class in high school and that opened my eyes to the subliminal messages and psychology that advertisers empoly to sell products. There was another class I took towards my senior year in which we were exposed to the author, Daniel Quinn, author of, “Ishmael”, “My Ishmael”, and “The Story of B”. Out of all the books I have read, “Ishmael” and “The Story of B” changed my life and core thinking profoundly. Those books are really made me think like I do today in regards to religion and especially Original Sin (which I can not bring myself to ever believe) I highly recommend them to anyone and everyone that has not heard of them. Great great works of literature.

  • dbloch7986

    That ideal org letter reeks of desperation. Sounds like they are having a LOT of trouble getting money for that idle morgue. Are we witnessing the end?

    • Missionary Kid

      One can hope, Derek, One can hope.

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Apropos of nothing, I couldn’t resist copying and pasting this comment from “George” over the ABC TV discussion. I want this carved in stone at every Church of Scientology. At the very least, it should be a required tenet of that Church. This is it, verbatim:

    “People should work on preventing bad things in ALL religions before pointing fingers at Scientology which doesn’t even charge as much money as people say.”

    • FistOfXenu

      DDD, thanks for copying that over. I just laughed out loud and shot coffee out my nose right here in Starbucks. A little boy sitting with his mom at the next table just started trying to imitate me with his juice and his mom is glaring at me like she wants me dead. And I’m gonna have to look for free wifi someplace else or hope she goes away soon.

      • Bella Legosi

        omg! That is why I hate Starbucks damn it! I remember when I was in middle school, my friends and I would go to the neighborhood coffee shop (that Starbucks bought out eventually), buy double or triple mocha espressos, and play Gin Rummy, Cribbage, or 21. We would also TALK, DISCUSS, or in other terms communicate with one another. Now, you walk into any Starbucks and it is insanely quite for a business that sells liquid stimulants! Everyone is hook up to some sort of device, and NO ONE SPEAKS. I hate it! I must be getting old, cuz I fondly remember a time where people were not all hooked up to some phone or laptop in these settings!

        K rant over with…..kinda feel better but still a little mad >(

        • EnthralledObserver

          She says, typing on her computer… :p
          Don’t forget who we are communicating with over our devices… I get to hang with the coolest and most interesting people online… and so many of them all at once.
          I hear what you are saying though.

          • Bella Legosi

            ๐Ÿ˜› I maybe on my computer but I am in my home drinking awesome home made coffee!

            True what you say, but I still believe actual for real interaction is a lot more rewarding then interaction on the net, especially if you are “going out”!

            • EnthralledObserver

              Real face to face communication would be better, yes, I agree. So… when ya’ll coming over to my house??? Or we could meet up down the beach?
              *sigh* Guess it’ll just be me and my kids who sneer and run whenever I mention Harry Potter OR Scientology… *double sigh* *gets computer out again*
              ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • Bella Legosi

              lol just tell me where the nearest train or bus depot is!!!! This girl is a nomad wanderer!

            • EnthralledObserver

              Rockhampton, Queensland… I’ll drive there to pick you up (half hour drive). Let me know when you’re gettting close… lol

            • Bella Legosi

              O.O dude I really need to save up………Australia is one of those places that you would have to drag me by my hair to leave!

              I shall mentally phone you from the boat I have hidden on! Please bring water and bbq!

              ๐Ÿ˜€

            • EnthralledObserver

              No worries… ๐Ÿ˜‰
              It is quite lovely here… with the added bonus of no Scientology within sight. :p

            • Bella Legosi

              And that is why I want to live in Australia, Germany, or Canada. Seeing as how I abhor air flight, Canada is prolly the safest bet!

  • Bella Legosi

    โ€œHey, did you hear? Thereโ€™s a science fiction epic that takes on the personal income tax and passports!โ€ You just canโ€™t get better advertising than that.”== NO……if someone were able to keep LRH name out of this, some one like Alex Jones just might make it! It sounds right up the Tea Party’s alley.

    • Captain Howdy

      Where do you think Jones got “Prison Planet” from? There is a scn connection with a certain doctor.

      • Bella Legosi

        Yea good point. I am starting to see that recently

  • ParticleMom

    So, Hubbard is Xenu?

    • 1subgenius

      Yep.

      • ParticleMom

        It makes so much more sense now!

    • FistOfXenu

      Technically, he’s 1 of my BTs. As soon as I ran him out he died. ๐Ÿ˜€

  • R you there Xenu?It’s me L Ron

    Hubbard’s description of his epic space romp and the few minutes of the screenplay “reading” that I listened to have left me in a state of befuddled amusement. Hubbard’s pitch contains a level of earnestness and delusion that would make M. Night Shyamalan blush. In a way Hubbard was correct about the profit potential of his little project. I have heard it has made a pretty penny under the revised title “OTIII.”

    • stateofcircle

      Well, in that case, it really did make as much if not more money than Star Wars…

    • EnthralledObserver

      Yes, that revised title and target audience was a very good decision, innit?

  • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

    Scientology spokesman Ken Delusion today announced that Golden Era Studios is making an epic film about Scientology ecclesiastical leader David Miscavige.

    Entitled David Miscavige to the Rescue, the film is a $200,000,000 big budget epic about how COB saves the Planet from a fate worse than death… http://otviiiisgrrr8.com/2013/06/10/david-miscavige-to-the-rescue/

    http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a563/OTVIIIisGrrr8/DMtotheRescue_zps66d6cd8b.png

    • BuryTheNuts2

      pfffttt!!!

      • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

        We can see the headlines now:

        David Miscavige wins the Academy Award for Best Actor!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Did u see it on PCP?

        • John P.

          It would be more fitting if David Miscavige to the Rescue won Best Screenplay, something that the Founder was unable to do even with a movie guaranteed to outgross Star Wars and Jaws combined. Another most triumphant example of COB making things go right when nobody else could save the day.

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            Noted and we will campaign the Academy accordingly:

            Best Actor
            Best Screenplay
            Best Movie
            Best Space Opera

            • aquaclara

              For all the damn tap dancing required, it had better be the Tonys. Not that he’d stand a chance of winning. Davey’s not even good at that.
              And all the “other coast’ers” in NY would kick his ass.

              Whadya think? A block of tickets for the dauntless NY Anons for 2014 awards? I would pony up….just for the lulz.

            • sugarplumfairy

              Campaigning the Academy doesn’t involve killing any dogs, does it?

      • Captain Howdy

        I don’t feel so bad about posting too many comments after looking at today’s tally. One person posted like 50+ and another around 40. Holy shit!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Lol, was it me?

          • Captain Howdy

            Not even close.

        • George

          Nothing better to do for you guys anyway, lol

          • OTVIIIisGrrr8!

            George, you are not OSA cleared to post here. Moreover, and whereupon you really should be busy be Clearing the Planet.

            • George

              Notwithstanding, hitherto I am nonetheless taking some relaxingness time. Promise to be back by Thursday!

          • Captain Howdy

            This coming from someone who has nothing better to do than hang around for 15 hrs in order to post like 4 inane comments.

            • George

              To be fair, I trolled y’all for about 150 comments:)

            • Espiando

              And here’s George V. Stick up his ass, giant dragon tattoo on one arm and shoulder from his Navy days, and p-whipped by his neurotic kleptomaniac wife. At least he showed a devotion to his family on the same level as Scientologists by letting his cousins get executed by the Bolsheviks.

              We’re starting to run out of Georges.

            • George

              151

            • Espiando

              You fucking wish.

              That reminds me, maybe a couple of shots of Bacardi will help me get some sleep.

            • George

              152

            • Espiando

              Let’s keep it going, shall we, oh ye of breath redolent of dog farts…

            • Kim O’Brien

              smoke a joint

            • George

              Trolling is just like Nuclear Physics

            • Espiando

              For me, they’re both easy. You’re not accomplished at either.

            • George

              Me too! There isn’t a subatomic particle I don’t find charming.

            • Espiando

              Flunk. Not all subatomic particles contain charmed quarks.

            • Missionary Kid

              They do in RonWorld. ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • George

              Well, I’m going to go out on a limb and agree with Kim. Time to blaze one, muchacho. Add some Cuervo gold, it will make tonight a wonderful thing.

            • Espiando

              You do no favors quoting a Steely Dan song that I don’t like. Try “My Old School” or “Black Cow” next time.

          • Kim O’Brien

            you are making me so hot right now

            • Couch_Incident

              Easy now Kim. As I mentioned below, we’ve got two different Georges now (check their posting histories). You’ve got to save all your lovin’ for the right man!

            • Kim O’Brien

              LOL …yeah , that could be aaawwwkward ๐Ÿ˜‰

            • George

              If Kim is liking my posts, as Far as I know, I can only see me posting as the name George, so don’t rooster block

            • Kim O’Brien

              oh captain …my captain

            • Espiando

              Okay, so three Georges. That means that this one will go nuts and gain an Academy Award nomination for whoever’s playing him.

            • George

              Three Georges Damn!

            • Espiando

              You’re #4, so that means you’re the fat one who wears a girdle and fucked his wife a grand total of three times. The only saving grace is that you’re played by Jim Howick on Horrible Histories, and he’s a damn good comic actor.

              For fuck’s sake, I’m supposed to be up in three and a half hours to catch a flight. I can’t stay awake and track all of these Georges.

    • Captain Howdy

      Can I get that in a XL? You done good OT8

    • This is clearly a plagiarism of my original script, “David Miscavige In The Fescue”, which I submitted to various shady Hollywood types last year.

      I’m callin’ my lawyer!

  • Xique

    I cried with Dallas as I was so moved by him. I am so proud of both he and his wife Jenna. A HUGE thank you to you two for speaking out! I’m sending out love to you and your family!

  • Ian

    This evening I decided to watch Battlefield Earth for the first time.

    It was bad: badly cgi-ed, badly shot, badly acted, badly written, badly plotted. But it wasn’t *quite* as bad as I was expecting. I also saw Elizabethtown this week, and I enjoyed that less. So here’s my ringing endorsement:

    Battlefield Earth — not quite as bad as Elizabethtown.

  • SP ‘Onage

    Oh, gawd! Of course ABC was involved…barf!

    Mad Men’s Elisabeth Moss praises Scientology for making her ‘better’

    It was cited as a reason for her much-publicized divorce.

    Now Mad Men’s Elisabeth Moss has reaffirmed her devotion to the Church of Scientology for helping her to ‘respect herself as an individual’.

    While the 30-year-old has been vocal in the past about the controversial faith’s shortcomings, she was extremely complimentary in a recent interview for ABCโ€™s ‘Popcorn’.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2338480/Mad-Mens-Elisabeth-Moss-praises-Scientology-making-better.html

  • sister wendy

    Mike Rinder has the first pass info up about the SP survey in case anyone is interested

    • Espiando

      No. It just verified what everyone suspected: anyone who might know anything about Scientology, especially the way it was prior to 1986, is being declared. The higher up either side of the Bridge you are, and the more green-on-white and red-on-white you’ve been trained on, the better chance you have of being “revealed” as an SP.

      It’s nice to have hard data, but the sheer amount of anecdotal evidence was sufficient to draw a conclusion.

  • Snippy_X

    Jenna’s interview is excellent and then some. I really hope it airs here in the U.S. and elsewhere. It would help lots of people appreciate just how horrible this cult is.

  • Viewpoint of Dementia

    Oh, you guys, I’m just so excited about Quinn Taufer’s totally theta strategy to do what it takes to – Boom! – get it done for the Valley Ideal Org! It’s the only way we’re going to go Clear from the coast to Nevada. He’s got some really stable data, here, too! The Valley is absolutely End Phenomena, for sure, I’ve got a havingness of certaintude on that com. If we can just get everyone we know to raise their IAS status with a humble contribution of $5,000 or more, we’re going to produce hundreds of new Honor Roll members. And wow, yes, let’s beat Portland with at least 10 New Civilization Builders. Please think of the children! Quinn is right, we’ve got to have a proper Org to help get our children up the Bridge to Total Freedom. I hope everyone here understands how vital this new Ideal Org is to clearing the planet! I’m totally headed to the next OT Committee meeting! I hope there will be an exclusive briefing!

  • cdub

    As regards regging parties at home.
    It’s certainly been done in the past. I’ve attended home meetings.
    They going along the lines of start-up, grassroots meetings of friends and neighbors with the expectation they will blossom out into something broader.

    -cdub