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Scientology Means Never Having to Tell an Ashtray You’re Sorry

Kool_AshtrayClaire Headley is taking us on our journey to train as Scientologists. She and her husband Marc were Sea Org workers who escaped from Scientology’s International Base in 2005. She spent years working with Scientology’s “tech,” and was trusted to oversee the auditing of Tom Cruise. Go here to see the first part in this series.

Last time, Claire introduced us to “study tech.” This week she’s got a huge amount of material for us. What’s this course called, Claire?

CLAIRE: The Hubbard Qualified Scientologist course. This was my first official “hard course” in Scientology. I started this at age 12. The course took me about eight months to complete, and approximately 200 hours of study.

THE BUNKER: That seems like a lot. Was it all on one subject?

CLAIRE: No, it broke down into several sections…

— A review of study technology: once again you run through the “barriers to study” and how to apply those in one’s study of Scientology.

— TRs 0-4: Yep, we’re back at it for another round.

THE BUNKER: And to remind readers, that means another round of staring contests, bullbaiting, and reciting lines from Alice in Wonderland. What else?

CLAIRE: Upper Indoc TRs 6-9: Let the fun begin.

THE BUNKER: Upper Indoctrination Training Routines Six through Nine? We’ve heard about these.

CLAIRE: Yes. This is where I got to yell at ashtrays, among other things. The idea of these drills is to train you to get another person to execute a command no matter what objections or interference they throw at you. “Tone 40” is the “zone” you’re trying to get into, where you can make someone do something whether they actually want to or not.

THE BUNKER: “These aren’t the droids you’re looking for…”

CLAIRE: Um, yeah.

THE BUNKER: Can you tell us more about it? We’ve known for quite a while about these drills, but we’re wondering what they were like from someone who actually did them.

Up_The_BridgeCLAIRE: Honestly, I’ve never discussed TR-8 with another Scientologist. I think it’s very important for an outsider to understand that discussing any part of Scientology auditing or training is strictly forbidden.

In other words, no one ever compares notes or discusses what they’re doing in Scientology, what their thoughts are, how they feel about it. It’s a huge no-no.

So I’ll tell you the steps of TR-8 and then exactly how I felt about doing those steps at age 12.

TR-8 has several steps, all of which involve giving commands to an ashtray. And yes, I can absolutely understand where someone on the outside would find this strange.

Frankly, I found it bizarre at age 12, and some of the steps I found to be utterly ridiculous. If there was a benefit, I’m not sure I could tell you what it was.

But perhaps that’s just me.

The steps of TR-8 are as follows:

First of all, the commands you give to the ashtray (and which you then make the ashtray execute) are:

Stand up.
Thank you.
Sit down on that chair.
Thank you.

You do these commands by yelling them at the ashtray as loud as you possibly can.

Next you do it non-verbally — thinking the commands at the ashtray and making the ashtray execute them.

Next you do the commands in a normal voice, but with Tone 40 intention, and your coach bullbaits you while you’re doing that.

Again, the idea being to train one in Tone 40 intention, where you can get someone to execute a command without resistance.

For me this was one of many things in Scientology where I just “went with it” and decided to not question or try and insert logic into it, since that would have got me in a serious bind.

THE BUNKER: And there’s still more in this course?

CLAIRE: Oh yeah. HQS is also where I first studied about “ARC.” Mind you, I was already very familiar with all the terms, having grown up in the Cadet Org. In simple terms A = Affinity (one’s feeling of love or liking for someone), R = Reality (being able to relate and agree with another person), and C = Communication (the two-way relay of ideas and concepts between two people). The ARC triangle is another fundamental of Scientology, the premise being that if you can attain A, R, and C with another person you will achieve understanding.

— Cycle of Action: Covered in detail in the book Problems of Work, the cycle of action in Scientology is Start/Change/Stop. This is also where one learns about “Confusion and the stable datum.”

— Tone Scale: A more in-depth study of the emotional scale.

— The Eight Dynamics: Again, this is something you can ask any Scientologist about and they will know the answer. I learned the eight dynamics by heart at age 5 in the Cadet Org. 1st = self, 2nd = sex/family/children, 3rd = the group, 4th = mankind, 5th = the living kingdom (ie. animals, plants etc.), 6th = the MEST universe (M=matter, E=energy, S=space, T=time), 7th = the spiritual dynamic and oneself as a thetan, 8th = infinity (this is the only part of Scientology that ever touches on or infers any kind of belief in a god, though, as has been well documented, if you ask a Scientologist if he or she believes in god, you will invariably get a different answer every time).

— Parts of Man: Body/Mind/Thetan.

— Co-auditing: This is where students team up and audit each other back and forth. On this course, I was required to co-audit the following: Assists, Locationals, CCHs 1 – 4, CCHs 5-7, Op Pro by Dup, and Self Analysis.

THE BUNKER: Whoa. Can you spell those out for us a little?

CLAIRE: Sure.

Touch assists (a sort of faith healing using the command “feel my finger” to restore communication with the painful area) and contact assists (repeating the injury — such as stubbing a toe — until the pain disappears).

CCH (Control, Communication, Havingness) 1 through 4: Processes to overcome aversions to being controlled. In CCH 1 the two people sit opposite each other and one says “give me that hand,” to the other, over and over.

CCH 2 is another repetitive process of instruction with these commands: You look at that wall. You walk over to that wall. You touch that wall. Turn around. Repeat.

CCH 3 Hand Space Mimicry: Put your hand against mine, follow it, and contribute to its motion.

CCH 4: Book Mimicry: Auditor makes a motion with a book (a circle for example) and you then have to copy that, over and over again.

Op Pro by Dup (Opening Procedure by Duplication — also known as “book and bottle”). Commands are: Look at that bottle. Walk over to it. Pick it up. What is its color? What is its temperature? What is its weight? Put it down in exactly the same place. Turn around. Repeat above steps for the book.

Self Analysis: A process of talking about memories in your life, as covered in the book of the same name.

And that covers Co-auditing.

— Selling Scientology: The final section of HQS, and where I personally had the most trouble, is the requirement that you actively promote Scientology. As part of the course you have to sell Dianetics to a new person and then select a new person to be brought in front of a registrar and sold on new services.

THE BUNKER: Wow, that seems like a lot, especially for a 12-year-old. We found a checksheet for the HQS — let’s take a look at a few things from it…

 
HQS1

 
If it isn’t weird enough that you’re supposed to shout instructions at an ashtray, this seems to indicate that you would then create a clay model of yourself shouting at an ashtray? How meta.

CLAIRE: Yes, that’s correct — I made a clay demo of myself doing TR-8, ashtray included.

THE BUNKER: Speechless here.

 
HQS2

 
This exercise sounds like what Lawrence Wright wrote in Going Clear when he described Tom Cruise sitting in a car with Tommy Davis, parked outside a Home Depot so Cruise could judge the Tone Level of people coming out of the store. How exciting.

 
HQS3

 
A “touch assist” — Scientology’s version of faith healing, of laying on of hands — on a doll? Until the doll’s pain is gone? And who knew Scientology had an intoxication cure? Apparently there’s no excuse for Scientologists getting DUIs.

 
HQS4

 
This is the part you said was difficult for you, Claire. Are you telling us copies of Dianetics don’t sell themselves?

CLAIRE: Yes, selling Dianetics and also getting someone in to the registrar were really hard for me.

I didn’t want my friends to know I was a Scientologist. And going up to a stranger was really tough, too. I ended up selling the book to a newer friend. I hadn’t read the book by this point, so it was not about me promoting my knowledge to another person. Rather, it was about grooming me to bring new people in. Getting someone in to a registrar was even harder for me.

Finally, I was sent to the London Test center and stood out on the street asking people to come in for a free personality test. I brought in about 5 people that way, and 2 of those then went to the registrar.

THE BUNKER: What an experience. And the price of all this?

CLAIRE: About $1,000.

 
COST THIS WEEK: $1,000

COST SO FAR: $1,925

 
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Once Were Warrior

For a few months over at ESMB and elsewhere, there’s been an ongoing appeal for help on behalf of Mark Plummer, a/k/a “Warrior.” An old-time critic who provided crucial help in numerous court cases and on the ‘net, Plummer has fallen on hard times since being laid off from his Homeland Security job in 2010. Read more about his amazing background and his current situation at his website, where there’s also information about how to help him out with donations.

 
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Oklahoma’s Drug Rehab Bill Needs Another Vote in the Senate

Yesterday, we reported this news late in the day, so in case you missed it, we’re repeating it here: Oklahoma’s state House yesterday passed SB 295 by a vote of 80-13, and sent it back to the state Senate for a final vote before it then heads to Governor Mary Fallin. Previously, it passed the Senate on a unanimous vote.

We talked with Rep. Jason Murphey, who helped sponsor the bill and pushed it through Oklahoma’s House.

“It does need to go to the Senate one final time,” he told us by telephone. “But it doesn’t have to go to a committee,” he points out.

We asked him how he felt about it. “It’s exciting to see it go through. There were some very liberal members who voted against it. But it went through with a wide margin and that’s nice to see.”

Does he think it will end up providing the Department of Mental Health the oversight that will be needed to make a difference in the case of Narconon? “I think so. I absolutely do,” he said. “The people at the Department of Mental Health were very helpful.”

We pointed out that recently, Narconon Arrowhead CEO Gary Smith had said he didn’t understand why the legislature was paying so much attention to this bill.

“I guess when that many people pass away in your facility, it’s going to get some attention. That’s kind of how it works,” Murphey said.

 
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Posted by Tony Ortega on April 16, 2013 at 07:00

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  • FistOfXenu

    “contact assists (repeating the injury — such as stubbing a toe — until the pain disappears)”

    So if “somebody” punched DM in the face over and over, could their defense be that the 1st time was an accident and all the other times were “contact assists” to help him get rid of the pain?

    Please say yes!

    • sugarplumfairy

      Yes!

      • richelieu jr

        Thank you.

    • Flo Barnett

      Yes!

      • sugarplumfairy

        Great moniker.. RIP, Flo Barnett.. Where’s Shelley?

    • John P.

      Hubbard was just adapting the well known principle that “I like hitting my head against the wall because it feels so good when I stop,” surrounding it with all sorts of complicated sounding mummery.

    • Yes. In fact, I think someone should try this right now.

  • FistOfXenu

    And look at that, we started out paying just little bits until this week and presto, the total investment doubled with a tip on top. Somebody with some spreadsheet smarts should graph this so we could see it at the end.

    • Casabeca

      I hope we tally all those wasted hours too.

    • And make a clay demo of it!

  • FistOfXenu

    “Yes, that’s correct — I made a clay demo of myself doing TR-8, ashtray included”

    What? No bonus points for making a clay demo of yourself making a clay demo of yourself, making a clay demo of yourself, making a clay demo of yourself.. “to infinity and beyond” ?

    • With all this clay modelling at a young age, why aren’t there more renowned Scientology sculptors?

      Andrew

      • FLUNK_101

        Interesting point. Perhaps the more artistic renderings would get a big “FLUNK!”

        “Unlike in music, there are no child prodigies in painting.” – Picasso

        And, (as far as I know), there are no art prodigies in Scientology!

        The “genius of childhood,” as Picasso put it, it’s naïveté, is not encouraged by clay demos, which are a literal representation of Hubbard’s words.

        • DodoTheLaser

          Therefore term “Ronbots”.
          I used to draw, read, write, play a lot BEFORE I became a good scientologist.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Please tell me you started doing some of that again!
            If you haven’t, do it!
            It will set you free!

            • DodoTheLaser

              Slowly, but surely. Thanks 🙂

      • sketto

        Well what kind of clay are we talking about? Is it that ugly muddy grayish color, or are we talking vibrantly colored Play-doh? I loved that stuff as a kid.

      • FistOfXenu

        Because $cientology doesn’t give them any way to learn artistic expression. The whole point of their clay modeling is shut off thinking not turn on creativity.

    • richelieu jr

      How many layers does this onion have?

      • FistOfXenu

        Well if $cientarCONonists have whole tracks of quardrillions of years I guess it’s a big onion with lots of layers. “To infinity and beyond” – now doesn’t that sound like the kind of meaningless statement Liar Ron Humptydumpty could’ve made himself?

  • FistOfXenu

    “And who knew Scientology had an intoxication cure? Apparently there’s no excuse for Scientologists getting DUIs.”

    So DM beats the people around him because after he’s been at the scotch they aren’t able to sober him up again?

    Wonder if he ever tried that line on TC. “Tom I’m not asking you to do anything pervie I just need you to help me so nobody sees me drunk”

    • BuryTheNuts2

      “And who knew Scientology had an intoxication cure? Apparently there’s no excuse for Scientologists getting DUIs.”

      Apparently not Hubbard!

    • richelieu jr

      Now feel my ‘finger’. Thank you!

      If you want to have sex, fell my ‘finger’ once. If you don’t, ‘feel’ it 1,000 times…. Thank you.

  • FistOfXenu

    So, yelling at ashtrays is training for yelling as ASHOles. Makes sense now.

    I sense a really important sentence here “CCH (Control, Communication, Havingness) 1 through 4: Processes to overcome aversions to being controlled” I bet people do it and think it’s 1-way – they’ll be controlling somebody else. Sorry, you’re learning to let them control YOU 1st.

    • Observer

      I see you’re feeling the outrage too. This one really got to me.

      • FistOfXenu

        Outrage hardly even covers it. I could replace a bbq pit right now. Doing this to anybody isnuts, doing it to kids, they need hemp neckties.

      • richelieu jr

        “Being Had-ness” is the secret ingredient! Shhh!

  • Observer

    My heart breaks for 12-year-old Claire and all the other kids who lost their childhoods to L. Con Hubbard’s codswallop. I’m so outraged that I can’t even find the words.

    “Touch assists (a sort of faith healing using the command ‘feel my finger’ to restore communication with the painful area) and contact assists (repeating the injury — such as stubbing a toe — until the pain disappears).” Hubbard was a moron. Pain IS communication from the painful area, and it’s communicating for a reason!

    The more I learn, the more contemptuous I become of the bloated old charlatan.

    • Casabeca

      Seems like if your “friends” keep touching a painful area, it would teach you to stop telling them what was hurting in the first place.
      Devious!

    • ThetaBara

      OMG CODSWALLOP! Great word!
      Also I totally agree with you.

  • Shannon

    That picture of Claire makes me giggle every time I see it….

    I know we have the panorama dude curled up in a chair video… but what is the chance something goes south and an ex-member leaks a video of people screaming at ash trays… pleeeeeeaaaase

    Btw, no wonder you didn’t want your friends to know you were a Scientologist, kid’s are far too unencumbered to buy into those kinds of routines…

  • Truthiwant

    Upper Indoctrination training Routines 6-9 are used by Scientologists when they are regging you for more money. It is a foul technique and a lot of us have been victim to it, being continually harassed by them even for days on end so as to get money out of us. It is a psychological torture technique.

  • Observer

    I bet this bloodsucker of a “church” is gearing up a fundraising campaign so they can send Vulture Ministers to Boston to poke people and say “feel my finger”, and then crow about how they’re the only ones who can help. Miscavige is probably seeing dollar signs right about now.

    • Shannon

      Ugh that was the first thing I thought unfortunately…. rally the troops for touch assists….

    • yeah – Bostonians with just punch them in the neck

      • Midwest Mom

        Won’t they have to keep punching them in the neck until the pain goes away?

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I just really wish Howdy and Sherbet would check in here.

          • DodoTheLaser

            Me too. Hoping they are ok.

            • Captain Howdy

              Oh and I’ve never down voted one of your comments, EVER!

            • DodoTheLaser

              🙂 Nice to have you back and well, Captain!

          • Sherbet

            Hi, I’m here and OK. I’ve been home with a cold, and the news from the Marathon really has upset me. To think there is somebody who thought it would be a good idea to murder and maim innocent people at the peak of their joy on a beautiful day in Boston, DAMN! it just disgusts me. Today is the anniversary of the Virginia Tech massacre, so there’s more evil to be reminded of. Thanks to all who wondered about me. I hope Howdy checks in. I know Particle Mom did and her family is OK. The jokes just aren’t coming today. Virtual hugs to you all.

          • Captain Howdy

            I’m OK. Thanks for asking. You really don’t think I would be anywhere near a marathon, do you? I was at a friend’s house, and he doesn’t have a computer. I was going to come home yesterday, but when the attack happened I thought it might be a good idea to stay away from the subways for awhile.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Oh thank goodness! And no I did not.
              You need to read yesterdays thread. Oh baby…you just wait!!!!

              I am so glad you are safe.

            • Captain Howdy

              Thanks.

            • Captain Howdy

              T.O thought I was a woman? HaHaHaHaHa!!!..not that there’s anything wrong with that. Thanks for the concern everyone. I am very touched and I’m glad that Kim’s cousin will be OK.

            • Midwest Mom

              A few of us vouched for your masculinity, I hope you noticed! 😉

            • ThetaBara

              Whew, glad you are ok!

            • Midwest Mom

              It’s great to see you again! Here’s a (((hug)))!

            • Captain Howdy

              Thanks MWM.

            • glad you are OK ..i was thinking about you . One of my cousins was there …40 stiches and a concusion ( can’t spell it )

            • Captain Howdy

              Yea I read yesterday’s comments and I’m glad she’s going to be ok. So many folks have reportedly lost limbs or are having to have limbs amputated, it’s horrible.

            • Midwest Mom

              Aww…how awful! I hope she is able to recover from the concussion without any problems. It’s scary when your memory, motor skills and neural responses are so discombobulated. I hope she can get the rest that she needs to heal and that she is back to her old self very soon!.

        • FistOfXenu

          Do it have to be Bostonians or can anybody join in? I have a need to “Contact Assist” some Vampire Ministers if they try to do in Boston what they did at Ground Zero.

        • RMycroft

          What turns it on, turns it off.

    • richelieu jr

      Surprise, surprise, surprise! That’s not my finger!

    • 1subgenius

      Bostonian Bunkerites keep watch, please.

    • John P.

      Look on the bright side: at least CCHR is not sending out an e-mail explaining how the bombing was all the fault of the “psychs” and you should donate. Yet…

      • Midwest Mom

        Heh heh!

      • sugarplumfairy

        Not yet..

  • sugarplumfairy

    Hubbard’s big fart joke.. “pull my finger…..” “thank you..”

    • richelieu jr

      Well, he certainly got rich and expected us to thank him for pulling our legs…

      • Midwest Mom

        \Rimshot!///

  • My wife still teases me about how I used to yell at ashtrays.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      But you did say thank you! right?

      • ThetaBara

        One of the weird side effects of learning about scientology is that the phrase “thank you” has become unintentionally funny to me. Even Mr Bara thinks it’s funny. We can crack each other up just by saying “thank you!”

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Hahaha….Mr. Nuts always gets annoyed when he is talking because I don’t “ack” him.
          So I started saying “Thank you” every time he finishes talking.

    • FistOfXenu

      Maybe she’d’ve been okay with it if LRH had issued different commands: “Empty yourself! Thank you! Clean yourself! Thank you! Put yourself on the shelf! Thank you!”

      • Great idea, after all, Scientology is about applying the Tech to you life. KSW! MUST NOT THINK SQUIRILLY THOUGHTS ABOUT ALTERING THE TECH!

  • Truthiwant

    I see that John Sweeney has done a documentary on North Korea. You can get a preview here
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22161792

    Certainly, this guy likes doing stories on mind control groups.

    Can you imagine a North Korean being introduced to Scientology. He is already brainwashed and
    then the poor guy gets roped in to the Hubbard religion!

    • My favourite bit from the show is when he is shown around their biggest hospital and noticed that there were, in fact, no patients. When he asked the nurse official he was told that patients went home after treatment so they could ‘continue their pursuits’…. He went into familiar tomato face mode when he asked the doctor the same question …. doctor said he would need permission to interview actual patients from the patients themselves but he couldn’t get permission to talk to them. Mind you a theme running through the show was how the “official” interpreter often said what they thought the NK person wanted to hear rather than what he really said.

      • Truthiwant

        Yeah, it’s incredible that all ill North Koreans can go home from the hospital after being cured in the morning.

        • richelieu jr

          Especially if they live 6 ft below the ground…. (which I hear they’re eating from time to time anyway, so eat out your own grave, save money for some grass for dessert (and the Dear Leader’s present, either a leather jacket or a nuclear weapon…)

    • RMycroft

      I’d like to ask him if he found North Korea more or less stressful than Scientology.

      • Truthiwant

        That’s an excellent question. Why don’t you ask him it? He has a site with an email address.

  • California

    Glad that disqus is working again.

    Thank you, Claire, again for the thorough report of what constituted these programs…… and how you felt about it. I keep thinking that if SCN’ers got to compare notes, many more would leave much faster…. the isolation is something else.

  • Joe Pendleton

    Claire is not really accurately or honestly portraying this course (which I might add is probably not appropriate for most 12 year olds). Just a couple of comments. A touch assist is not faith healing, you can read the essay explaining it, but essentially is just a gentle aid to getting a person’s nerve channels moving a little better after an injury or during an illness when the body tends to “lock up” somewhat. It almost always results in a person feeling better (you can read the episode of John Travolta giving Marlon Brando one in Lawrence Wright’s book). The ashtray drill is actually somewhat sophisticated in the sense that what you are trying to get a person to understand is that it is NOT the action of yelling at the ashtray and it is NOT the action of commanding it in language that moves the ashtray up or down, but it is the individual decision of the person doing it and that person’s intention to get it done that accomplishes the action. And thus the person rehabilitates to a greater or lesser degree his or her ability to be the source of their own actions and desires.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Aaaaaaagggghhhhhhh!!!!!

      Ok, Joe is making this fairy crazy.. My pointed ears are about to explode.. I’m going back to work, at a job where I am paid a very lovely and more than fair wage for the work i do.. Where i don’ have to coerce funds out of little old widows.. where my coworkers don’t yell at ashtrays or at each other.. Where nobody bullies me andi am not made to sleep under my desk or in a garage.. Where I am treated like a valuable human being and not a slave, a piece of raw meat or meat body..

      Co$ SUCKS, Joe..

      • Joe Pendleton

        Sugarplumfairy …. don’t explode!

        • 1subgenius

          You are boring.

        • Midwest Mom

          Touch assists don’t aid in getting person’s nerve channels to “move a little better”. Nerves react from a stimulus, similar to an electrical charge, and the central nervous system and peripheral nervous system send signals to the brain and then back again.

          Neurons communicate with an electrochemical process, meaning that the chemicals result in an electrical signal, and that signal is triggered by neuro-transmitters.

          The nerves would not be “closed”, however, but compressed in order to see any response within a few minutes. This would result even if no physical rubbing or touching were applied to the person at all. The physical compression of the arterial blood supply or the nerves (like when your arm is tingly or numb after sleeping on it all night) returns to normal on its own after the compression is removed physically.Not moving for an extended period of time can result in permanent nerve damage, and a completely severed spinal cord disrupts the nervous systems messages, which only surgery can restore, and in some cases, the damage is permanent.

          A person experiencing a grand mal seizure, for instance, may be moving their body around uncontrollably, however the reaction of the body is due to an imbalance of electrical signals in the brain. Even though the arms, legs and head are all moving, it is the nerves in the brain that are sending the signals through the nervous system to react that way, much like the stimulus of frog legs moving when the nerves are stimulated by an electrical charge in Biology class.

          The touch assists can actually create more problems, since a person experiencing shock from trauma won’t be receiving the medical help that they need and this can result in death because of a lack of appropriate care.

          • ThetaBara

            <3 you, Mom!

    • i think there is a village with a job opening for you . Can you even hear yourself ?

      • Joe Pendleton

        First of all, wireless available in this village?

        • Observer

          Okay, that made me lol!

          • BuryTheNuts2

            ditto.

        • FistOfXenu

          Doesn’t matter, your duties won’t involve using it.

        • sugarplumfairy

          turtlez!!!

      • villagedianne

        i am not convinced that All of the tech is entirely worthless. However it certainly does not give the Advertised Results. Interestingly, L. Ron Hubbard Jr. said the early “clears” did have some advanced abilites, more along the lines of remote viewing. However L. Ron Jr. said that these early “clears” got enough benefit out of it to see through L. Ron Sr. and they ended up leaving the group. Also L. Ron Jr. said that Hubbard stole much of the tech from others.

        • Watched another video of a wrecked scientologist ( aaron saxton ) and boy oh boy . i am convinced

    • Midwest Mom

      I would be more impressed if the ashtrays yelled back and commanded the person to sit down, stand up or stop smoking.

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Wow, that would really be tough love if your ashtray commanded you to stop smoking!

        • Espiando

          Wouldn’t that be problematic for the ashtray? I assume that, since it’s in an org, the ashtray is a Scientologist. If you remove the task of holding ash and butts from the ashtray, wouldn’t it have to get a new hat? Is there a training routine in Scientology to change the ashtray’s hat from Ash and Butts to, say, Holding Spare Change And Keys? And if not, why not? Certainly the chain-smoking Hubbard would have had sufficient beingness with ashtrays to help them in this way.

          • FistOfXenu

            Nope. Spare change would mean the $cientarCONonist managed to keep some money for himself. Keys might mean he owns something worth locking up. If the ashtray got hatted to hold those it’d be violating KSW. To The Hole with that ashtray!!

      • FistOfXenu

        Now you’re talking. Finally there’d be something in $cientarCONon that might help a few cultists give up an addiction.

    • 1subgenius

      ” A touch assist is not faith healing, you can read the essay explaining it, but essentially is just a gentle aid to getting a person’s nerve channels moving a little better…”
      What “nerve channels”? There is not a shred of evidence of such, nor anything moving them a little better.
      So, your belief is just faith. But this isn’t faith healing.

      You, apparently, will believe anything.
      If you were brainwashed, would you know it?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        I hung on that sentence too!

        essentially is just a gentle aid to getting a person’s nerve channels moving a little better…”

        Hello? It may ‘assist’, but it is by distraction. ^^^^ this is cray, cray!

    • Ciru

      ” getting a person’s nerve channels moving a little better”

      Seriously? What does that even mean?

      • Midwest Mom

        It means that he never took Biology or Anatomy classes and believes whatever Hubbard said, even though Hubbard didn’t know what he was talking about.

        • I read somewhere that taking ones head out of ones ass can open up his world enormously as well!!

    • John P.

      Find me a neurologist, neurosurgeon, or other medical researcher that believes that a “nerve channel” exists. Hubbard’s description of the mechanism behind a “touch assist” was known to be quackery when he formulated it sixty years ago, and it is even more laughable today.

      Also, when you talk about how it’s the person’s intention that gets the ashtray to stand up or sit down, how often does the ashtray actually do what it was told? And if success on the TR means that “the person rehabilitates to a greater or lesser degree his or her ability to be the source of their own actions and desires,” does the fact that the ashtray has never responded thus mean that the PC is never going to be the “source of their own actions or desires”?

      It seems to me that what you’re describing is the idea that in order to succeed in the TR’s, the PC must imagine that the ashtray is responding to “Tone 40” commands, and this in turn sets the stage for the PC imagining that he has control over the MEST universe — in other words, success on this TR is all about programming the PC to deceive himself about his super powers. That in turn is key to the financial scam of Scientology. It’s also the key to being dissociated from reality.

      • califa007

        I’m late to this blog entry, John, so I don’t know if you’ll ever see this, but I do want to comment. I’ve been through the TR’s and Objectives, several months, and the Pro-TR’s, several more. Pro-TR’s is where you need a final video pass from RTC, so the course takes forever. When “talking” to the ashtray, I just considered the whole thing a take-off on Method Acting. If I could convince the Sup I was doing it right, I’d get a Pass. I think I considered the whole charade an exercise to test my acting skills. I kept hoping through all my auditing and training that something miraculous would happen. Success stories were another test – honing my creative writing skills. Since we were never allowed to discuss anything with our twin, or anyone else, I’d wonder if they were not thinking the same. But then I’d hear my twin say something that had me believe that they “got it” while I just felt like an undercover agent, waiting for someone to blow my cover. Still, I’d plug on. I paid for this and as long as I had the time, they were going to provide. I couldn’t get my money back. But I can’t imagine that I was the only one that thought the whole thing was BS. But, like the Emperor’s new clothes, I knew enough not to say anything.

        • Most likely you were all thinking the same thing. That’s why you weren’t allowed to talk to each other.

        • John P.

          Califa, I did catch your comment. Thanks for the perspective. Constructive non-snarky questions: It does make me wonder how one convinces oneself to stay if when you are actually “doing Scientology” you think it is BS. What is the reward that makes one stick with something in that circumstance? Was it just not being able to get your money back and figuring you might as well see if there’s a pony in there somewhere? Here at Global Capitalism HQ, we know most of what we do is bullshit, but we put up with it because the payday at bonus time is usually worth it, so it’s pretty easy to convince ourselves to stick around. I’m not sure how that works with Scientology.

    • dbloch7986

      Hi Joe,

      There is no scientific study that shows that the body tends to “lock up” during an illness. Actually there is quite a bit going on the body during an illness by way of the immune system. So claiming that the body “locks up” during an illness is not only patently false, your belief in such an idea is based purely on faith in the words of L. Ron Hubbard. Thus we refer to touch assists as “faith healing” because that is what they are.

      If you are claiming that Scientology encourages individuality, then you are lying because Scientology does the exact opposite. It usurps the individual’s personality and replaces it with the Scientology personality. Scientology discourages critical thinking and discourages any attempt to question the principles and ideas contained within the writings and lectures of Hubbard. Hubbard asserts time and time again throughout the works of Scientology that it is not possible for “the tech” to be wrong, it is only possible for the individual to misapply it.

      • Midwest Mom

        Amen, Derek! 🙂

    • EnthralledObserver

      Never heard of ‘please or thank you’? These common words of courtesy would probably work better – they at least offer a person respect which is the true reason someone voluntarily follows another’s commands or requests.

    • villagedianne

      The touch assist may work for some people some of the time. An early critic said it took away her migraine. But there are also plenty of Scientology children who did not find it helpful when they were sick. These children, now grown up, said that they lied to their parent saying they felt better just so the parent would stop poking them.
      And yes, I understand that the ashtray drill is supposed to hone the power of intention. The power of intention is a common and popular concept in the spiritual “supermarket”. Just wondering if the ashtray drill is the best way . . . .
      Still, there is really no harm in talking to an ashtray. It’s just that COS and Hubbard used these processes ultimately not to free people but to lock them in another prison. I can see from your posts that you realize this yourself.
      I’m “into” spiritual practices myself. I see much in the ‘tech’ that is familar to me or anyone who has shopped around in the spiritual “supermarket”.

      • Midwest Mom

        I think that the harm in talking to ashtrays is that it’s a nonsensical command, and people are being taught to ignore their own intuition to do things that they think are ridiculous and against their better judgement, and if they don’t go along, negative consequences will ensue.

    • FistOfXenu

      Excuse me Joe. “Nerve channels” is a euphemism. If you word clear it using real knowledge about the human body it’s the woo-woo way of saying “I don’t know what the fuck I’m talking about so let’s just baffle everybody with a steaming heap of horseshit.”

      Also if nerve channels DID exist they wouldn’t move. So talk about getting them to move is just more horseshit. Pay attention now. Channels. Don’t. Move. Ever hear of the English Channel? Doesn’t move. Nope. Really, it doesn’t move. Boats and ships move on it. Sea birds move on it when they aren’t flying over it. Fish move in it. Submarines probably do too. Sometimes people try to swim it. But the channel? When’s the last time you heard somebody say “I went to sail on the English Channel last week but damn it! It wasn’t there! It moved!” Nope. Me neither.

      So your thing about getting channels to move better is either a horseshit metaphor or it’s meant literally. Either way it’s horseshit because channels don’t move. So either you’ve got a comparison that doesn’t work or a statement about reality that isn’t true.

      As for the ashtray drill, people already know they can move an ashtray without yelling at it. Unless they’re $cientarCONonists I guess. That’s why all of us in the real world move ashtrays and all kinds of things without yelling commands at them. Are you trying to say that $cientarCONonists all tried to move things around by yelling until they did the ashtray drill and “rehabilitated” their ability to use their hands and arms? That’s not somewhat sophisticated as you put it, that’s just Hubbard horseshit.

      And by the way, thanks for telling us “you can read the episode of John Travolta giving Marlon Brando one ” but I prefer to leave it in private, between consenting adults .

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Laughing my fricking ass off here!

        And yeah, we wogs can move ashtrays without saying a word.
        Now that is command intention!

    • ThetaBara

      You know, Joe, you aren’t going to convince this crowd that there is value in the tech. I hope that doesn’t get you in some kind of trouble.

      We may seem prickly, but really we’re just fed up with seeing the abuses and damaged lives. You don’t have to keep doing this. You don’t have to route out, either. Just blow. Just walk away. There’s no such thing as freeloader debt. They’ll tell you there is, but it doesn’t hold up in court. You don’t have to give them any more money or time. You can get out. Just blow.

    • Truthiwant

      Joe, we all know this shit that you are trying to explain to us. We’ve all been through it and all of us are sick of hearing phrases like ‘individual decision of the person’ or ‘that person’s intention’. It sounds good when you talk to some ignorant thick head but here on this site you won’t find anybody that buys this shit. We’ve done it. We know it and it is crap, horseshit, bollocks or any other similar word you fancy.
      The greatest minds of all time did not need this nonsense to discover, invent, write or produce whatever they were doing. Who do you think you are, Joe? Do you really think that your posts are going to teach us something? Go and read a good book and come back and tell us something interesting.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Lol.. Joe Pendleton.. I just got the name..

  • Joe Pendleton

    The purposes of many of the CCH processes are not to get a person to be controlled but to help them realize that not ALL control is bad, but that ALSO they can decide at any point in life to be controlled or to NOT be controlled, they are ultimately the source point on handling control. It is aimed at improving ability and increasing cause level for a person. Easy to make fun of, but I can tell you that these processes can also be very valuable and empowering for a person.

    • sugarplumfairy

      Is that what you sincerely believe? Then I feel sorry for you.. But I feel much more sorrow for your children..

      The sole purpose of ALL co$ processes is to make money, make more money and make other people produce so as to make more money..

      End of story..

      • BuryTheNuts2

        What she said!

      • Joe Pendleton

        There’s always another chapter to the story. That’s the fun of finding out the diversity of human experience on this planet (take it from someone who has worked and traveled from Russia to India to China and many, many other points on the globe – there’s tons of different movitvations and outcomes in so many cultures and religions – it is never quite as simple as some would have you believe).

        • BuryTheNuts2

          OK, nice post.

        • 1subgenius

          You are the one who is simplifying to avoid the beautiful complexity of science.

        • FistOfXenu

          Talk to any Tibetan bandits while you were out there?

        • richelieu jr

          Yes so any facets to Scientology,and each with a price tag attached! No need to ask what it’s worth, they’ll tell you!

          In your travels were you distributing little truth facty-nuggets like these, like a Scilon Johnny Appleseed, going wherever people could afford to be enlightened? Make the able more able?

          Tell me, which aspect is it that mean Miscavige has to live like a movie star why human slave sin the RPF paint flowers gardens and repair motocycles for him an Tom Cruise for pennies an hour?

          Or is this all entheta?

          • ParticleMom

            Not sure if you meant “plant flower gardens” but paint is perfect. Remember in Alice in Wonderland where the cards are painting the roses red so the Queen doesn’t chop off their heads?

            • richelieu jr

              I’d forgotten that PM! But I did indeed mean ‘paint’ according to Wright (and many others, even TOny, I think…), TOM Cruise and NIcole Kidman had always had a fantasy of running through a field of wild flowers… Unfortunately, they weren’ the right colour, so Sea Orgers (or RPF-ers, can’t remember right now) broke out the paintbrushes and painted them. This in the middle of the desert, mind you not deal growing OR painting conditions.
              The capper- Nicole was allergic and they all got mowed down and pulled up…

        • sugarplumfairy

          No.. With co$ it’s all about money.. End of story.. All the bells and whistles can’t disguise it.. You know it.. I know it.. We all know it.. The only ones who don’t know it are the blindfolded and the brainwashed..

    • Observer

      What good is the ability to decide not to be controlled if you do ‘t have the freedom to exercise that decision? And if you believe Scientology respects that decision not to be controlled, how do you explain KRs? The inward-pointing spikes at the top of the fence surrounding Int? Blow drills and retrieval of those who have blown? The RPF?

      • Joe Pendleton

        Observer, I didn’t say and I DON’T believe that the Church of Scientology respects the decision not to be controlled. That’s why I am no longer a member and why I have been officially “expelled.” I think the RPF is a horror. The only value in the ability to decide when you are not given the freedom to, is to SEE that and not to agree to it anymore (which is why many people have left the CofS).

        • Observer

          Thanks for clarifying that.

        • Midwest Mom

          Your last sentence doesn’t make sense. Are you quoting Hubbard? It sounds like one of his strange nonsensical sayings.

        • i-Betty

          Have you REALLY left, Joe? I would like to think that was true, for your sake 🙂

      • FistOfXenu

        ^^^ This.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      I will give you some of that. Some of this can be beneficial.
      But the end game is a killer!

      • Exterrier

        That;s True. As Joe is finding, this forum is not the best place to do an in depth discussion of the TRs and auditing and the “Tech”, some of which has a certain amount of workability or usefulness outside of the End Game…which is enslaving you and draining your time and money so Ron, and now DM, can play god in high style. Especially if you are dialoguing with the wags and wits who are the first responders to Tony’s posts. I love this blog and the commentary especially, as it is a Reality Assist for some of us who took Scientology seriously for at least a while, either because we were kids stuck in it, or because some of the technical and social aspects actually did help us for a while as adults, til the control and craziness got to be too much. I did not go too deep for too long, but some of the training, including some aspects that were touched on in HQS, were ultimately helpful, and even life changing. Just as some benefit from military training or the disciplines in school or scouting or something else….keep the best and lose the rest and get on with life. Some of the assists, including “feel my finger”, work for certain situations. The CCH drills are half good and useful….but you are also subtly but surely being taught to go along with a lot of control that erases personal boundaries that you will need later on when confronted with a “reg” demanding all your money.

        Those of us who were not badly damaged by disconnection, bankruptcy, ruined childhoods or Sea Org experiences and The Hole, etc, probably would benefit from some discussion site or recovery group where we do a retrospective on all the courses and actions that Claire and Tony are running through so fast, so as to separate wheat and chaff, and strip off any residual mind control obedience training that got emplanted along with all these drills. There was sure a lot of it.

        But it is important when we want to understand the mindset of the people we picket, to see that there were some aspects that were useful or helpful in the Tech, and some that just seemed to be, that stick people to Scientology, and create a loyalty. Especially if they buy into the constantly repeated mantra that “This is the only way”…… I’d love to discuss some of those things some time…Probably Tory Christman would be a great one to set up that forum, or sub forum, for Tony or elsewhere.

        Meanwhile, I would like to sign up with Fist of Xenu, as a tag team member in giving that Contact Assist facial to Miscavige. That sounds theraputic as hell.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Nice post. And I agree that this is not always the most open minded group. Myself included.

          keep the best and lose the rest and get on with life.< Damn straight….!

          Edit: Hey wait a minute…I just realized I am a wag and wit first responder!
          Gives you the side eye now!

          • Exterrier

            Yep, you are. But that is what makes the Bunker addictive. You all make my day.

        • FistOfXenu

          Thanks for the reminder, Exterrier. I go for a while and think I’m not overcome with being angry any more, then I read something like today and realize this cult is too terrible and I shouldn’t be comfortable while it’s churning out victims and casualties. That’s when I’m mad as hell and I don’t want to take it any more. Like today. Sorry people. I’ll try to pull it in a little and be civil.

          EDIT: Oh yeah, a tag team would be good. Those Contact Assists can be tiring if you’re doing them right.

        • richelieu jr

          Better yet- Go to the sources he stole the stuff that works from and avoid Scientology altogether…
          While I can see some psychlogical benefit to the sort of group hug being proposed (and it exists somewhat in this group as well), I am not sure that a group of ex-scientologists recreating the same circumstances of their indoctrination, mixed with people with differing agendas (from dong a post-mortem, to figuring out where you went wrong, to proving Hubbard was right and it was all Miscavige, to trying to drag people back in) is the bet way.

          Someday this sort of a post-mortem will be done. But if there is one ting I do agree with in the CoS defenses of certain attacks, it is that ex-members, especially fresh ones, are in unstable situations and often not to be trusted. Sometimes, by trying to save a drowning person you drown yourself. I see a lot of injured people trying to convince themselves they weren’t really that wrong over at Marty’s place in a very unhealthy group hug.

          The fact is that ex-Scientologists exactly fit the profile of the people the church tried to get to come in from the street; “Confused? Lonely? Come in! Lost, afraid? Come in!”

          Even that Harpy who haunts the boards spewing misinformation about Wright’s book and the Dear Leader’s intentions often starts her missives with,’ Listen, I don’t agree with _________ either. See, I criticized the Church, so you cans e I think for myself. Now let me tell you why the church is great and Hubbard floated to Earth on an angel fart.”

          • ThetaBara

            Well said. instead of trying to extract the poison from the stew, toss it and make a new batch!

    • “…they can decide at any point in life to be controlled or to NOT be controlled,”

      The purpose, is in fact, is to create slaves controlled by the Supreme Ruler, L Ron Hubbard.

      That these slaves can exercise control over lesser slaves is necessary for the organizational structure of Scientology to work just as it is in any fascist group.

      Hubbard saw himself as far superior to others and his goal was to create a world in which he, the most worthy being, could rule with an iron fist and ‘smash his name into history so violently that it will take a legendary form”

      And power and control in his eyes were dependent on money, lots of money and this obsession with making money is the central core of Scientology. Ethics, morality, charity and decency have no role in the Church. These foolish concepts merely hinder the acquisition of wealth

      Andrew

      • sugarplumfairy

        ahhhh.. Intelligence, sanity and reason.. a thing of beauty and a joy forever.. (ok, three things of beauty and three joys forever..)

        • FistOfXenu

          SPF, are you trying to sound like The Spanish Inquisition? It’s working. 😛

          • sugarplumfairy

            Lol.. My chief weaponry is my fear, surprise and fanatical devotion to proper spelling..

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Warrior Queen!!!

      • Joe Pendleton

        Andrew, I have been quite a critic of the Church of Scientology and the way L. Ron Hubbard set up and ran it as well (my posts are on all the usual famous websites). What I’m trying to do with my explanations above is to provide some insight (as I was an extremely experienced auditor for over 35 years in the CofS) as to the benefits gotten from Scientology and the purposes of the processes and actions mentioned, so that y’all will get a bigger picture of what the folks in Scientology consider they are doing. The big money aspect of Scientology is for sure its most toxic aspect (and yes, the chase of the money has led to the desire to control every aspect of its parishoners’ lives). But an obsession with making money is most definately NOT the central core of Scientology. Most Scientologists are very willing to GIVE UP all their hard earned money, as well as go deeply and terribly in debt, for what they consider the central core of the CofS. They truly indeed feel they are aiming for spiritual freedom, even when going in the oppisite direction. And almost all Scientologists working in the CofS (and yes, this is from personal experience) make virtually no money at all from their labors. (and also yes, I think the big money aspect of Scientology has turned out to be an evil).

        • Observer

          I think you’d have gotten a friendlier reception if you’d prefaced your first post with the info that you’re no longer in the church and that you do have criticisms. We get church shills, possible OSA, and people who are apparently doing A to E here from time to time, and your first posts sounded an awful lot like you were one of them. Still, you won’t get much agreement on your view of the efficacy if the tech.

        • “MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY.”

          – L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 9 March 1972, MS OEC 384

        • I understand what you’re saying Joe, but to me these terms ‘spiritual freedom’ and ‘securing my eternity’ have no resonance. I find them amorphous concepts dissonant with my own thinking. Just like ‘saving the planet’ which I consider a pompous attempt to mask one’s insecurity.

          Scientologists who believe what I consider nonsensical phrases might be better off learning critical thinking skills which sadly can not be found in any Scientology courses or rundowns. For obvious reasons.

          Andrew

          • sugarplumfairy

            Now, THAT makes me all woozy..

        • 1subgenius

          “I was an extremely experienced auditor for over 35 years in the CofS”

          That and three bucks will get you a cup of coffee.

          • Joe should read the Bible more, for unlike Daniel, who had God on his side, the Lord remains impartial in Tony’s lions den!

            Andrew

            • Captain Howdy

              Joe needs more Hitchens, Dawkins & Randi in his life and less…

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Sweet!

          • FistOfXenu

            Not in my coffee shop. In my coffee shop I’d charge him extra for being an auditor. 😛

        • Bob 74

          It also helped my psoriasis a lot

          • BuryTheNuts2

            So will some sunshine!

          • i-Betty

            LOL! Oh, Bob, you’re funny 😀

          • Truthiwant

            That’s interesting, Bob. Please tell us all exactly and truthfully how you overcame your psoriasis. Not in generalized terms but factually.

        • dbloch7986

          Scientology taught you to use the word “gotten”, as in “benefits I have gotten”. ‘Nuff said.

        • richelieu jr

          Hey, I have no beef with most individual Scientologists, who are generally very well-meaning and often altruistic folks. But individual members of the Nazi party were cultured, great people who often didn’t agree with certain aspects of the philosophy they were serving.

          They were still servants of a totalitarian mindset and fought to further its goals by subsuming their individual will to the ‘greater good’.

          As long as they do that, criticism of the overall mechanism remains completely valid. And the above quote form Hubbard himself about money should put to rest your ridiculous assertion that money has nothing to do with Scientology. Everything has a price tag there. It is indeed one of the ‘worst aspects’ just like having a skeletal system is an ‘aspect’ of your body…

          As long as you ‘criticize’ the ‘Money Aspect’ of Scientology, etc, but still buy into the idea of Hubbardism and ‘Eternities’ you will be at best in the same basket as Marty and his deluded minions trying to cure Scientology with Scientology….

          • One of TV Tropes’ stock Nazi characters:

            The “cultured” one who stands around in vest, braces and lederhosen listening to classical music on a gramophone, who says “You see, Herr Capitan, ve are not all animals.”

        • FistOfXenu

          You’re throwing us a red hering Joe. None of us here believe individual $cientologists are obsessed with making money for themselves, so we aren’t saying that’s what motivates them. Of course they’re willing to give up all their hard earned money and go into debt. We know that the troops are completely trained to sacrifice themselves for the good of the cult. We also know the $cientologists doing all the work aren’t the ones making the big bucks. We know they get regged and squeezed to make sure all the money goes to the top to keep DM and his favorites in luxury.

          It’s what they’re trained to do in order to “Keep $cientology Working” and nobody here’s saying different. We also know $cientologists have been taught to make money for the cult and to believe KSW is part of securing their own eternity. The sincerity of the average cultist isn’t in question. What we question is the idea that their sincerity somehow makes any of it true.

          None of that means to use your words “an obsession with making money is most definately NOT the central core of Scientology.” It just means that the obsession to “make money, make more money and make others .. make money” isn’t for the benefit of anybody except the head vampires at the top.

          • sugarplumfairy

            I believe there are some individual scientologists who are obsessed with making money for themselves.. douchebag opportunists who take to lrh’s teachings like fish to water.. the cardones, the feshbachs, the fialkoffs.. and others, I’m sure..

            • FistOfXenu

              You’re right SPF I should’ve said “most”. Hyenas feeding on a kill attract other hyenas.

        • SciWatcher

          “But an obsession with making money is most definately NOT the central core of Scientology.”

          Uh, that’s EXACTLY the central core of Scientology. It’s exactly what LRH intended. And the fact that “most Scientologists are very willing to GIVE UP all their hard earned money, as well as go deeply and terribly in debt, for what they consider the central core of the CofS…and almost all Scientologists working in the CofS (and yes, this is from personal experience) make virtually no money at all from their labors” is proof that it works just as LRH intended it: as a brainwashing technique to control people, make them slaves, and separate them from their money. So I guess you could say the “tech” does work.

        • Anonymookme

          Pssst. Joe, bragging about being “a very experienced auditor for 35 years” is not an accomplishment I would be proud of.
          Put another way, you could say; ” for 35 years I was under the control of the silly writing and policies of a fraudulent, charlatan, LRH. I deluded myself into thinking that only I and those in my Super Clam Club could save the planet”. I felt I was superior to all those not members of my Super Clam Club. When I audited the idiots who hoped to gain all sorts of Souper Powerz by making that long climb up the invisible, imaginary bridge, I dazzled them with my mastery of the totally made up Sciloon jargon & the gibberish & jibber jabber of a high ranking Sciloon”.

    • Del Ling

      The *purpose* was clear enough by Elron, make money, fight SMERSH, feed his ego. It’s *aimed* at indoctrination and reducing (ultimately removing) any tendency towards critical thought.

    • 1subgenius

      “The purposes of many of the CCH processes are not to get a person to be controlled…”

      Flunk.

    • Bob 74

      And also to add to your point a thetan is uncontrollable once you learn how to learn to control it and the other thetans inside

      • Midwest Mom

        That statement doesn’t make sense.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          No it does not. It is completely contradictory.

          Maybe Bob is sending us a smoke signal?

          • ThetaBara

            This isn’t our Bob. It’s the other one.

        • richelieu jr

          Listen it’s very simple:

          Once you learn how to control the Thetan
          THAT is when you CANNOT control the Thetan!

          Also there are other Thetans inside (the___?) who may or may not

          be controllable depending on whether you know how to control them

          (then they are not)

          or if you don’t (docile little darlings, like clay in a kid making a sculpture

          of a kid screaming at an ashtray’s hand)

          Get it?
          Because if you understand it, that is when you DO NOT understand it? Get it?
          And also the others inside.

          That’ll be a thousand dollars please.

          • Midwest Mom

            I don’t have thetans. I use Common Sense everyday, and I’m thetan free!

            Common Sense: A Sprinkle a Day Keeps Thetans Away.

            • Casabeca

              Wish I could see you as the housewife in the commercial, ” have you had your sprinkle today?”.

          • I’m afraid a thousand dollars won’t do it. Because I didn’t understand all your words. So let me give you a thousand now, and then I’ll go look a bunch of things up in a dictionary, and make clay models of a kid screaming at an ashtray, and of a kid making a clay model of a kid screaming at an ashtray, and then I’ll give you another thousand dollars, OK? Does Mommy love me yet?

        • Anonymookme

          Unpossible! Sciloon babbling doesn’t make sense? Surely you jest!

      • stillgrace

        Talking to yourself again?

    • villagedianne

      “not ALL control is bad.” Something about that statement just doesn’t sit well with me. I appreciate your point that these processes can be empowering. I’ve always thought that there had to be something in the tech that resonates with people or else it wouldn’t catch people so powerfully. Some of these processes seem to have a “surrender to the guru” aspect that has such potential to be abused.

      • richelieu jr

        Yes, yes, a thousand times YES!!!

        “Not all control is bad”
        “I’m only doing this for your own good.”
        “This hurts me more than it hurts you”
        “This will be our little secret.”
        “Don’t let mommy knw, she wouldn’t understand..”

        This is abuser talk, the smooth, soothing syllable of a snake.

        Sorry if I am not civil, but I was never a Scientologist and one of the reasons is I hear someone say ‘Not all control is bad (especially in reference to the Cos for Fuck’s sake!) And I break out in a RASH!

        • John P.

          You are on fire today, Rich! The skeeviest line: “This will be our little secret.” Cringe!

        • Scientia

          The last time I was ever in an org, I was being told to do something. Ordered, in fact. No ARC. Just do it or else. My response was to get up, collect my things and walk out (aka I stormed off in a huff). A friend chased after me to get me to stay…one of the last things she ever said to me was “Why are you so against being controlled!?”

          Sorry, love, I just don’t like being told what to do!! Unpopular as it may be to say, I have no doubt the “tech” has helped me stand up for myself more and take no shit. And having Hubbard in my ear continually telling me I’m a god amongst insects it was always going to be hard to suddenly switch off and just bend over to some dreary old nerd i’d never met before.

          As if I was ever going to make it all the way in the Church! Sheesh. What a tit.

    • FistOfXenu

      Ooh, try going to Miscavige and telling him you’ve decided you don’t want him to control you. Maybe 1st you want to ask the people he’s beaten how he reacts to that so you can prepare yourself.

      If these processes are so empowering why don’t they empower the people abused by the Demented Midget to say “hit me again and I’ll rip your fucking arm off and shove it so far up your ass you’ll be able to pick your nose secretly in a crowded room you little bastard” ? Or even just to walk out? Why don’t they empower people being abused on RPF to say “enough is enough. I’m going to eat and shower and then I’m going to get a decent night’s sleep”? Why didn’t they empower Lisa McPherson and all the other people that were hurt or killed because of $cientarCONon to say “Stop NOW!” and then walk out before it was too late for them? CCH trains people to do what they’re told no matter what it costs them just like the rest of the horseshit in the cult.

      Oh yeah, and Where’s Shelly?

      There’s a name for “deciding at any point in life NOT to be controlled.” It’s called “leaving $cientology”

    • richelieu jr

      Does a puppet feel empowered as the hand slides in, or does it feel more like an anal fisting that you have to learn to love?

      Hell of a process you’ve got there, but youa re right about one thing- It IS easy to make fun of! Thanks for that!

      • John P.

        does it feel more like an anal fisting that you have to learn to love?

        That’s a visual image that will cause me to walk a little bit differently for the rest of the day.

        • i-Betty

          Ha!

    • Midwest Mom

      This is propaganda, Mr. P. I hope for your sake that you don’t believe what you wrote, because it’s Hubbard blubber.

    • danlocke

      Absolutely. Did that for me.

    • Unfortunately, by the “intent” in your words, it’s done none of that or you.

  • Joe Pendleton

    One more comment. It is also very valuable in life to be able to notice the emotions of other people. Am I making people angry with what I’m saying? Am I boring them? Is my colleague in grief today? Or resentful after a meeting? etc etc etc. If you cannot observe somewhat accurately the emotions of the people around you, you will not be able to respond in a way that can help a situation and help that person to feel better. How many spouses complain after year of marraige – “But you never even NOTICED that I wasn’t happy!”

    • sugarplumfairy

      Why make a pelican feel better to be stuck in an oil slick? Wouldn’t it be better to help him clean up and show him the way out?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        SPF, off topic…what is cousins favorite color?

        • sugarplumfairy

          She wears a lot of blue..

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Thx

    • Observer

      Sorry, but your Jedi mind tricks don’t work on us. Good luck trying to handle this bunch. We know far too much.

    • I believe that empathy is one of the many abilities people gain by simply living life. It grows through our experiences and interactions. I also believe that your empathy will develope more in an open field than in a narrow hallway.

    • 1subgenius

      ” Am I making people angry with what I’m saying? Am I boring them?”

      Yes, So now what?

      “It is also very valuable in life to be able to notice the emotions of other people”

      How much did you pay for that bit of first grade knowledge?

    • Del Ling

      Isn’t that what the TRs kill? To me it seems like the main thing they teach is to completely ignore any and all return communication and just deliver your own tone 40 no matter what. There’s nothing there about listening to others or accepting non-verbal cues. In “Obnosis and the Tone Scale” (you really can’t make this up) you’re supposed to _observe_ emotions but I can’t see any hints that emotional interactions come into play in the TRs other than provocations to be ignored.

    • Bob 74

      Good point!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Damn it Bob, How did you let the tiny terotogen hoodwink you again.
        I thought you were beyond that crap!

        • Observer

          This makes me sad. I believe in giving everyone the benefit of the doubt (which does not include believing everything they say, btw), but he blew it. Such a pity he’s actually still guzzling the Clam-Aid. Hope you enjoy your cold, slimy shell of a “religion,” Bob. It’ll devour you eventually unless you get out.

          I’m going to keep giving people the benefit of the doubt until they show they don’t deserve it. I’d rather be snookered repeatedly than turn a cold shoulder to someone who is genuinely seeking the truth. I see no shame in that. The shame is all on The Most Ethical People On the Planet.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Sad here too.

        • ThetaBara

          No no, this isn’t our Bob! It’s the other one. He’s just doing his job. Our Bob is still around.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            I don’t think so…..

            • ThetaBara

              Noooo. 🙁 I thought Our Bob posted the other day, and that this one is someone else. Damn. We had some good conversations for a while.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              He screwed up yesterday and posted this drivel under his regular “bob” moniker.

            • Midwest Mom

              Re-read the comments on the January 24th post. He was posting the same propaganda and some of his comments reminded me of the serpent offering Eve the forbidden fruit then and they still do.

              He uses classic cult techniques to try to charm people and tries to pass it off as joking when someone picks up on it. Another technique is to accuse the other person of being close minded or not fully understanding what he is saying. It’s another way of attacking the person’s credibility, especially when he uses the “victim” mode.

              “I said Mouse-cabbage. Would a Sci-bot do that?”

              Yes. Yes they would. Everyone needs to remember how Gerry Armstrong was treated by Sci-bots when they pretended to be “against” Miscavige and secretly videotaped him with the intent to make him look bad.

              There are plenty of Sci-bots who pretend to be Anti-Sci’s. Take the nimwit who pretended to be speaking for Anonymous when he disparaged Tory Christman on posts on July 27, 2008, but was actually a Sci-bot making it all up. That same Sci-bot refers people to those posts in the present time claiming it was Anonymous’s position. It wasn’t. It’s propaganda.

              He thinks that he’s succeeding at fooling us. He’s wrong.

            • stillgrace

              I think Derek nailed it, “Bob” accidently logged into the “wrong” sock puppet account yesterday.

    • scnethics

      Your comments are interesting and appreciated. I would like to point out to you that noticing the emotions of other people is something we all practice from early childhood. By the time we are adults, most of us are very good at detecting emotions in those around us, without ever making an academic study of emotions.

      So what is it one is really doing when they study the tone scale? I liken it to driving a car and thinking about everything you are doing before and as you are doing it. You already know so much more about emotions and how to react to them than what you “learn” from the tone scale.

      As for assessing a persons “emotional tone” and then assuming that tone, and then assuming a higher tone, and so on. This is manipulative, yes? Isn’t this what a sociopath does? Although, you’ll never do this as well as a sociopath, because they’ve been practicing this since they were four, and do it automatically with marvelous skill. I think we are better off doing what we were doing since we were four (and younger), which is having real emotions, feeling them, displaying what we feel as much as is safe and appropriate, and learning from these emotional experiences. I would also submit that it is healthier to sympathize with and understand the emotions of others, than to try to move them out of their emotion with a trick, especially if they are grieving.

      Think about this: how many scientology spouses get tired of their “higher toned” partner having no tolerance or sympathy for their “low-toned bullshit”?

      • FistOfXenu

        Hang on scnethics, are you saying it’s NOT a good thing to learn how to make yourself a 2nd rate sociopath? 😉

    • dbloch7986

      Who is Hubbard to say that one emotion is better than another? There are healthy emotional responses to given situations. Emotions are fluid, circular and sometimes completely arbitrary. They do not follow a “scale”. People do not always demonstrate the same characteristics. When I grieve I sometimes express it through anger, although I am grieving, I am also angry.

      The “tone scale” also fails to account for the fact that people can feel more than one emotion at a single time. The ideas that you can only feel one emotion and that you can accurately predict someones behavior based on that emotion are demonstrably false.

      • John P.

        Derek, you’ve done a great job in succinctly capturing the craziness of the tone scale. The other problem is that assigning numbers to emotions implies one is “better” than another, thus creating incentives for people to pretend their emotions are something other than what they are. Being true to your emotions is a hallmark of sanity; mocking up your emotions leads to all sorts of long term craziness.

        And, of course, the tone scale says a lot about Hubbard’s view of the world, since there is no place for compassion, mercy, love, affection, or any of the good stuff. Only emotions that would lead to domination or control over others (or to avoiding same) are represented.

        • dbloch7986

          Not only that, but people’s reactions to certain emotions are completely unpredictable. We all express our emotions differently. Some emotions, such as rage, are completely unpredictable. You never know how someone is going to act in a fit of rage.

          • Midwest Mom

            Also, you never know when someone will sneak up and give you a hug, just when you need it most! 😉

      • aquaclara

        Kudos for seeing right through the BS, Derek. The tone scale is made up, completely arbitrary, but fully intended to take away one’s ownership over their own feelings. Because it avoids all the truly good, important feelings that make us who we are as individuals, it is one more way the cult steals people’s lives and identities. So glad you’re posting about this.

    • Midwest Mom

      Oh, my husband definitely knows when I’m not happy and vise versa. It’s funny that Hubbard didn’t know how to pick up those verbal and non-verbal cues or even care about them when his three wives were so miserable being married to him.

      Hubbard also didn’t notice the emotions of his son Quentin, who committed suicide. Why is that? It’s because he didn’t have the answers to communications or to happiness. You’ve been living your life according to the babbling of a man who failed in every relationship in his life. Think about it.

      • Observer

        Frankly, I don’t think that self-absorbed blob of narcissism would have cared if he had noticed his wives’ and kids’ emotions. It was his world and everyone else was here to be used, abused and discarded as he saw fit. If I remember rightly he said as much in the Admissions.

      • ThetaBara

        Oh hai, narcissistic sociopath!

    • ThetaBara

      Babies can do this. It’s called having a mental model. You look at the other person’s expression and you can tell how they are feeling. Costs nothing and is not a “benefit” of scientology. You’re born with it. Hell, my CATS can tell how I’m feeling!

      • Midwest Mom

        That’s a very good point. When I was on a walk with my dog (who died two years ago), she could sense when I might have a sleep attack by putting the leash in her mouth and leading me home the fastest route or by sitting on the grass, so I wouldn’t fall on the pavement. She was never trained to do that and was a Humane Society mutt.

        • stillgrace

          You had a very special dog with a very special gift. Service dogs can’t be trained to do that, they are born with the ability. This article references epilepsy, not narcolepsy, but it illustrates the mystery of your dog’s gift.

          http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/04/0416_030416_seizuredogs.html

          • Midwest Mom

            Unfortunately, our new mutt isn’t as gifted. She keeps pulling me down on the icy roads!

        • John P.

          That’s very cool, and I have heard of dogs with such abilities before. My dogs sometimes try to convince me that they are “Alzheimer’s service dogs” since they gently herd me towards the dog food container at supper time in case I forgot what time it is.

          • aquaclara

            Haha. Your dogs are such polite and useful service friends. Not to brag, but I know my dog possesses supernatural ESP powers. He can read his own mind plus tell time without looking at a clock. To the minute.
            Breakfasttime, dinnertime, puppy cookie time, time-for-a-walk, frisbee play time, another puppy cookie pleeeze time, daddy’s home time, time-for-a-walk, bedtime. They are all his favorite time of day.
            I love my dog.

  • BuryTheNuts2

    “These aren’t the droids you’re looking for…”

    No Tony!!! That was the “Force” and unlike Scientology….It worked!

    • CoolHand

      And there are more Jedi adherents than Scientologists!

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Well of course there are Lucas! Instead of Dianetics, you get a light saber.
        Who wouldn’t choose that?

        • Espiando

          “And there are more Jedi adherents than Scientologists!” “Well, of course there are, Lucas…”

          I see what you did there. I doubt you intended to do that, but knowing you, BTN, you saw it and couldn’t resist. The ability to make multilayered, disguised references needs to become a TR.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Thank you for noticing. And actually I did think (hoped) someone would bite.
            I will be authoring this particular TR!
            It will debut at the opening of the Superpower building.
            Stay tuned, for like, EVER!

            • FistOfXenu

              Can we do it on the oiliness table? Please please please?

            • BuryTheNuts2

              lol

            • FistOfXenu

              Is that a yes? You’re writing it, you get to decide.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Affirmative!
              You can’t have Superpowerz without the oiliness table!

            • FistOfXenu

              I can’t wait!

            • L. Wrong Hubturd

              Huh, and all along I thought TR stood for Taco Rundown.

  • I yelled at an ashtray once. But it due to LSD, not Scientology.

    • Shannon

      I used to be able to command my bathroom sink to melt, does that count?

      • BuryTheNuts2

        AH, LSD! I saw a colorful billboard melt from a visual and turn into music once.
        It was a “Yes” song.

        That blew me 50 feet outta my head!!!

        • Spackle Motion

          Wow….you just took me back to a very deserted memory lane with the mention of Yes. Those were some interesting and strange days. Growing up in Los Angeles is a strange experience….tripping out on LSD one day and then having dinner with a member of Yes in his house with his kids on another day.

          I’ve spent the last five minutes trying to figure out which Yes song blew you 50 feet out of your head.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Madrigal.

            Tormato was in the cassette deck but I wasn’t really paying attention until the sign started dripping and changed to the song.
            Totally cool.

          • Close to the edge, down by the river…

      • sugarplumfairy

        I still command my boobs to get bigger.. They’re stubborn little cusses..

        • Shannon

          True story: someone convinced me when I was like 13 that exposing them to tube lighting makes them grow, so I used to lie topless on the floor in my room right under the light. Oh what you’ll believe as a pre pubesent.

    • Spackle Motion

      In Scientology ‘opposite-land’, they actually think it is abhorrent for someone to have taken LSD such that you immediately become ineligible for the Sea Org if you’ve taken that drug. I think that taking this drug becomes a safe harbor for people because taking this drug saves people from becoming Scientology slaves.

      • Captain Howdy

        Glad to have you back DC. So you didn’t like the “Pleasure O’Reilly” suggestion, eh?

    • FistOfXenu

      How do you think Hubbard came up with it?

      • stateofcircle

        he was probably tripping on LSD and the ashtray, filled with kool butts, was talking to him.

        come to think of it, the entirety of hqsc sounds a lot like a bad trip…

  • Scientology is where you help someone else build a full remote control of yourself and you pay them to do this. Somewhere along the line you then pay them to take the remote from you.

    The catch is, you cant buy it back. You have to somehow destroy it as well as all duplicates or versions.

    • Truthiwant

      You pay $1000 for the Hubbard Qualified Scientologist and towards the end when you are learning about dissemination, they get you to BUY a copy of Dianetics so that you can sell it to some poor unsuspecting wog. I mean, for a $1000 could the Dianetics book not be included in the price of the course?

      I know some people that were so embarrassed about selling the book that they actually just gave it away! Probably cost them a fortune in auditing later on.

      • My Name Is Rawl

        HQS has never, ever cost anywhere near $1000. In the 70s it cost practically nothing and was a loss leader for Scientology. In the 80s and 90s it averaged around $200-300 over the years. Right now it costs $400.

        Check with any Class V organization. The exact cost is $400.

        • Upper Indoc Course cost in 1995 was $1000 – The Freedom Lectures which are required to do the course cost $595. Thats $1595. That is from a Flag Price list. I’d bet that @ a Class V price list for those two items would be over $1000 as well. GoogleFu any scientology price lists and you will see this to be the case. Also, in the 90’s they added “Pro” to the Course and that might have jacked up the price. Before that everyone was doing the “Amateur” course.

          BTW – All courses & training are “loss leaders” now…The only thing they make money on are straight donations! IAS or Ideal Org stuff.

          When I left in 2005 the AP (Advanced Payments) stat was over 1 billion dollars! Scientology had taken in 1 billion dollars for services that they had not yet delivered.

          If every person who had paid for a service showed up to do their courses, it would take them hundreds of years to deliver the services – if they could even deliver them. They can’t and never will. This is why they don’t push services any more.

          Dave Miscavige’s biggest fear is that public would start coming in and doing the services that they have ALREADY paid for. Or even better, that they would ask for money back for services that they will never do.

          If you gave Ford $100,000 for cars or had $100,000 on account with Ford, you would expect a car or two for that. But when you are paying for Total Freedom there is no “buyer remorse” allowed.

          Scientology is a “Roach motel” for cash.

          • Mark,I had 45,000 in account ,guess what?about that time it was illegaly taken out of my account,with out my permission ,I can not get my money back becourse it’s a donation ,what fraud,I’m not done yet!i will pay twice that much to get my money back,I’ll do what ever it takes

            • sugarplumfairy

              Go, Eric! If you were to sue co$ and prove in court that they stole from you, you’d have many friends who I imagine would love to contribute to that cause..

              GoFundMe, baby!!!

            • John P.

              Eric, Tony published a story in January with several suits against the cult for moneys paid on account that were never returned despite requests for refunds. Former cult member Luis Garcia and his wife retained a hotshot lawyer in Florida to secure a refund, and in a press conference, the lawyer promised that more suits would be forthcoming. I heard an unconfirmed report on Monday that at least one prominent ex who threatened to hire this attorney to pursue his case was able to get a prompt refund merely by making the threat; this would indicate that the cult is quite concerned about either the legal validity of these suits or the number of them, or both.

              Contact information for attorney Ted Babbitt, the lead attorney on these suits, is here: http://www.babbitt-johnson.com/Attorneys/Theodore-Babbitt.shtml

            • Thankyou

        • Truthiwant

          If you say it’s $400 then I believe you. However, it’s not the real cost of the course that is important. It is the fact that the Organization get you to continually buy something. By the time that you are through with Scientology, you have spent a fortune. For what? Well I’ll let you answer that.

      • Shelia

        Still have them? Sheliad_14@msn.com

    • CoolHand

      Great analogy.

    • DodoTheLaser

      Great analogy, something to think about, for sure.
      Is there date on your next book, Marc?
      Thank you very much for BFG, btw.

      • I have been crazy busy with work. I have two books coming and hope to finish them both this year!

        • aquaclara

          ^^^^^^^^

        • DodoTheLaser

          Two books, eh?! Super!!!

        • Very well done!

    • Bob 74

      Nice try – its’ more like helping make a remote control of yourselve and keeping it to yourselve for self control

      • BuryTheNuts2

        Nice try yerself! FAIL.

        • Bob 74

          Very few individuals have the wherewithall for control of the human self

          • BuryTheNuts2

            Well don’t tell me that Scientolgist’s can, because they fail at self control just like the rest of us.
            Just because they are stuffed down and brainwashed into Scibot status doesn’t mean the “Thetans” aren’t still human.

          • Midwest Mom

            That’s not true. You’re making a statement that is false in so many ways. Also, “wherewithal”? Are you a member of Danny Sherman’s “Silver Mullet Band”?

            • Spackle Motion

              Silver Mullet Band…..heh. Good one.

            • Midwest Mom

              I borrowed that from Karin Kung Pouw’s April Fool’s Day post to Tony. 😉

            • ThetaBara

              Hey, I say “wherewithal!” (Of course I was raised by attorneys.) It’s not unlike being raised by wolves, except you end up with a bigger vocabulary. And much greater capacity for snark.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Do you start your sentences with “Whereas”?
              If you do, then I know you come from “Contract Lawyer” stock.

            • ThetaBara

              I try to avoid it. But I do read everything before signing anything!
              And I know freeloader debt is not legally enforceable! (And that many of their NDAs very likely also are not, in whole or in part.)

            • Further deponent saith not.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              That is a big ol bingo!
              Something about duress and legal purpose.
              These things keep getting the Clam’s way!

          • EnthralledObserver

            You haven’t gained the secrets to the universe any more than I have Bob, and I control myself just fine… thanks for your false concern… so, while we are at it, where’s your evidence that ‘very few individuals have the wherewithall for control of the human self”? You aren’t allowed to just make this shit up and have it be true… it has to actually BE true and prove it’s true.

          • Is this what you became a Scientologist to do Bob ?

          • richelieu jr

            Yes, but oddly enough many individuals wear overalls off of Neiman’s shelf, so it all works out.

            Thank you.

          • FistOfXenu

            A REALLY good reason not to let $cientarCONon have control of you. They don’t have it.

            Most of them can’t even quit smoking.

          • I’ll go ahead and assume this is correct. Can you please name a person, past or present, who has this wherewithall? If you cannot name one, I’ll go ahead and further assume that no one on Xenu’s green Earth can control the human self. Thank you!

          • Truthiwant

            Oh, come on Bob. It’s Scientology talk.

            I’ve been through it.

            I presume you are ‘out’ but still can’t accept that Hubbard wrote mind controlling nonsense.

            I know the feeling. You don’t want to be part of the Organization any more but for some strange reason, you still protect the writings of L. Ron Hubbard. He is the last one to fall foul of your ideas. David Miscavige, the Ideal Orgs, the fundraising are all things that you know are wrong but you still haven’t been able to confess to yourself that it was Source, LRH himself, that is the real person to blame for all the time, money and energy that you have wasted up till now.

            I, one day, had to physically say to myself, out loud, the words ‘ I deplore all and everything to do with Scientology’.

            These words, said to myself got me out of the cult for good.

          • BuryTheNuts2

            GRUNDOON….I take that all back as I reread this^^^

            • Midwest Mom

              Marcabian!

            • BuryTheNuts2

              I feel such shame!!!

            • Midwest Mom

              If it is, we are cutting off her alcohol supply! (She usually misspells a lot more words than that, though.)

              It still doesn’t let regular Bob off the hook for his Sci-bot comments yesterday.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Nope, sure doesn’t!

      • Observer

        Yeah, like when anyone who wants out of the Sea Org can just walk away with no repercussions because they have control of their own remote. Oh, wait …

      • ThetaBara

        Oh, Bob, you know that isn’t true. If you give it to them they will never give it back. The only way is to get out.

      • grundoon

        Peace Theta!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Ya think? My bells didn’t ring on it?

          • grundoon

            He/she likes to ramp it up gradiently until someone notices.

            • BuryTheNuts2

              She.
              At one time I was keeping all her sox on an index card!

    • The truth is when you leave scientology you find out that there never was a remote! They only made you think there was one and they had it!

      • DodoTheLaser

        You should fit this in one of your books somewhere, Marc.
        So well said!

    • Dear mark,thankyou for a well written book,near the end I could not help but cry.im so happy you and your family are doing well.
      Eric Alexandrou
      Brisbane ,Australia

  • I love Jason Murphey’s understated response to the mewling Gary Smith. ” I guess when that many people pass away in your facility, it’s going to get some attention. That’s kind of how it works.”

  • What a delightful piece to read. Is is as if it was only yesterday i was in the ccla doing the comm & HQS course.You are a remarkable communicator.Thanks don

  • Ze Moo

    Tom Cruise will be on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart tonight at 11pm Est on Comedy Central. Should be a hoot. A hoot if you don’t want to see any hard or easy questions about scamatology.

    Oklahoma blew it in their new rehab regulations. No requirements on training counselors and not enough balls to keep the sauna treatment in quackery land. It may close Arrowhead, but there will be more NarCONons under different names. Oh well, you take your wins where you can…..

  • Still_On_Your_Side

    “CCH (Control, Communication, Havingness) 1 through 4: Processes to overcome aversions to being controlled.”

    This is a terrible thing to impose on children. Most cults, in small doses over time, strip away self-esteem, and deem any sense of self, i.e., aversion to loss of control, as selfish and bad. In the CoS this loss of self translates to putting Miscavige’s right to luxuries ahead of a child’s right to a childhood and it means giving up the right to have children, nutritional food, sleep, education, decent housing and clothing. Instead of exterminating the sense of self over years, the CoS has created an orderly, fast-track, course of study which expressly states that an aversion to being controlled is a bad thing. Killing the sense of self in adults is bad enough, but the fact that the church sets out to destroy a child’s natural, developing sense of self and strength of character is evil. The CoS demand that children never exert control over their lives and never object to anything, including authorized bullying, is guaranteed to produce a self-hating adult, who believes that his/her life is worthless. The fact that Claire survived this process and is helping others is a testament to her strong moral compass and incredible strength of character.

  • DodoTheLaser

    I had to actually find a drunk stranger in my version of the course.
    I gave this dude locational assist for 2 minutes in front of bunch of people on the street.
    It kind of worked, but I think because he had a WTF? moment and may be thought I’m a cop or a weirdo.

    • Shannon

      Pure fear and confusion will sober you up. Fast.

      • DodoTheLaser

        Yeah, adrenaline, I suppose.

    • Going into the street and trying to sell a copy of ‘Dianetics’ to a stranger would enturbulate me enormously.

      But I would be able to print off a large number of Laura Miller’s excellent 2005 review of the book in ‘Salon’ and hand them out to all and sundry:

      http://www.salon.com/2005/06/28/dianetics/

      […]

      ‘Stranger than fiction’
      L. Ron Hubbard’s “Dianetics” is a fantastically dull, terribly written, crackpot rant — it’s also the founding text of Scientology. So, what does it actually say?

      […]

      Andrew

      • DodoTheLaser

        Well, I did sell many copies of Dianetics.
        I’m here now.

        Great article, thanks Andrew!

    • aquaclara

      Hey, you can only go up after this. Although it’s a shame the course didn’t include checking out local bars to find the specified drunk stranger. Class might have been a bit more fun.

    • RMycroft

      Here’s the handbook description of how to make someone sober in minutes:

      http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/SH6_8.HTM (CoS site)

      • Ze Moo

        Buzz killing bastards….

        • FistOfXenu

          Don’t worry Ze moo, we’re talking about $cientarCONon. This doesn’t work any better than the rest of the Hubbard horseshit.

    • ThetaBara

      OMG! I’m glad he didn’t punch you! Drunks can be so unpredictable.

  • BosonStark

    A person’s natural embarrassment, if they were to consider what they were doing in some of these training routines and allowed to discuss it with others, morphs into the person feeling elite and special. In not having to use critical thinking, the switch takes place to doing everything for the group.

    “I was just following orders, from Source. I couldn’t let Scientology down. We’re here to save the planet. We’re the only ones with all the answers.”

    For Claire, it must have been hard being Children of the Corn, because kids can be intuitive and glib, like the one who noticed the Emperor has no clothes.

  • DodoTheLaser

    There is one more part to the ashtray drill that was not mentioned.

    It’s when you you give the ashtray the opposite and other nonsense commands
    that have nothing to do with anything, while executing the same cycle, carried by
    your intention to do the same thing.

    The purpose stated was to show the difference between
    the words and intention or something like that.

    Not sure if it was added later or what.

    • Truthiwant

      I always wondered why it was an ashtray that was used. I guess because Scientologists smoked so many cigarettes in the old days that it was probably the most common object in the Org.
      I personally have never smoked and I was suprised to see Scientologists puffing away. Some of them on 2 or 3 packs a day. I once told one of them that smoking was bad for your health and his reply was “It’s only bad for your health if you smoke with a counter intention but if you smoke with a positive intention it doesn’t harm you.”
      Tell that to Benson and Hedges. They could do with a bit of positive publicity!

      • richelieu jr

        This here is the touch assist, we’ll say that the..Erm… Tumbler of scotch is the injured person who is trapped under… These three empty wine bottles… Now the smoke from my cigarette, wafting across them means… See those nuts scattered around? Will you bring me some? No, they don’t represent anything, I’m just hungry…
        Now for the next chapter.. how to help a… (looks around..) Drunk person…

        • aquaclara

          Lack of sleep has given you new powers. This is funny!

  • villagedianne

    I guess Gary Smith just does not know that us wogs don’t undersand that when you die you just go to the maternity ward and pick up a new body.

  • scnethics

    “CCH (Control, Communication, Havingness) 1 through 4: Processes to overcome aversions to being controlled.”

    These help bring you to a “cognition” shared by all scientologists: if someone is giving you a command, you can follow that command but keep your own self-determinism by inwardly deciding to do what they are commanding, as if it is something you want to do. Basically, you are taught to play this trick on yourself so that you will feel OK about being controlled. Normally, your silly human pride would get in the way, but with this powerful tool, you can have what looks to outsiders like a complete lack of pride. Hip-hip-hooray!!!

  • aquaclara

    Wow.I think you’re brave, Claire, to share all this. “Honestly, I’ve never discussed TR-8 with another Scientologist. I think it’s very important for an outsider to understand that discussing any part of Scientology auditing or training is strictly forbidden.…so I’ll tell you the steps of TR-8 and then exactly how I felt about doing those steps at age 12.”

    There is so much here to take in. The touch assists and contact assists are lunacy. Worse, CCH (Control, Communication, Havingness) is training in how to be indoctrinated and controlled. Bad enough that this is training given to supposedly consenting adults; it is absolutely unforgiveable with children who don’t yet have fully formed minds of their own. I don’t understand how parents can subject their children to this. This crap alone should be sufficient to kick the cult off the planet for good.

    • RMycroft

      Touch assists have practical uses at the higher levels.

      http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h233/RogerRamdrive/OTBacon.jpg:original

      • aquaclara

        BACON!!!

        • BuryTheNuts2

          OMG!….I just realized I have never had Bacon tacos!
          What the hell is wrong with me? That sounds excellent!

          • L. Wrong Hubturd

            Great place in downtown Orlando if you’re over this way:

            http://www.takocheena.com/

            You gotta love their tagline: Come taste my taco. It’s run by a bunch of lesbians. Mmmmmm, lesbian tacos….

            • BuryTheNuts2

              Sweet thanks. Am there a lot.

        • richelieu jr

          That’s the man, officer! That’s the one who stole my wavy lines! Look, he’s got them on him right now!

  • Shannon

    Why disqus whyyyyyyyyyyy

    • DodoTheLaser

      The only way to enjoy the disqus is to use firefox and keep your expectations low, imo.
      Tony tried Livefyre before and it sucked even worse.

      • Shannon

        Gah, dammit chrome.

        • RMycroft

          I tried installing Chrome a few days ago. It demanded an email address before it would let me import my bookmarks. Why?! Uninstall…

          • Shannon

            Hmmm I don’t remember that… maybe it hypnotized me?

      • villagedianne

        I use Safari, if I try viewing all the comments in Explorer, eventually it freezes by browser.

  • dbloch7986

    I believe that all the of the “Upper Indoctrination TRs” were intended to teach a person to be controlled. I remember the apprehension I felt at having to do the “tone scale survey”, the part where it talks about walking around and talking to people and spotting their tone level. Looking at the screenshots of the checksheet really dug up that apprehension.

    On another note, I’d like to introduce everyone to our newest troll/crazy person: Bob aka Bob 74. He’s been masquerading as a confused Scientologist, but just yesterday really showed his true colors when he logged into the wrong Disqus account and started talking about how he wasn’t a Scientologist and we’re too mean to Scientologists. Either that or a different OSA person took over the sock puppet account without reading the history of it.

    • Midwest Mom

      Isn’t he also Joe Pendleton?

      • I thought Joe Pendleton was who you were talking about to begin with. Is there another ID?

        • ThetaBara

          Bob 74. Dammit. The original Bob had me fooled into thinking that he was actually listening to us, but apparently both of them are actually sock puppets.

          • Ah, I didn’t notice the change from Bob to Bob 74. I’m not the most ethical Bob on the planet, so I don’t pick up on these subtleties.

            • ThetaBara

              Well, sadly, it seems like there is only one. And it is the koolaid-drinking Bob.
              He might still blow some day, though. All it takes is thinking about it enough… and reaching out. He can walk away, and people will gladly help him.

            • richelieu jr

              Well, you know what they say, “You can lead a Scientology propagandist to water, but you can’t make him pull his head out of his ass or he might see entheta.”

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Yep, its our Bob. His writing style is still the same if you look close.
      Too bad…I had high hopes that Bob was going to break free.

      • ThetaBara

        FSCK!

        • John P.

          I get all woozy when I hear Linux commands like that. My son has a t-shirt that says “fsck -u” to establish his hacker cred.

          • ThetaBara

            Too bad we can’t just rm* scientology

            • John P.

              Or the deadliest command in all of Linux: rm -rf / >/dev/null &A lot of system administrators have accidentally done this once; nobody who has lived through it once has done it a second time.

            • A possibly apocryphal story tells of an early demo of voice-recognition software. Some joker in the back yelled: “Format C, colon, return!” Somebody else chimed in, “Yes, return!” It worked.

            • jensting

              Ouch! That “restimulated” memories of seeing a stream of error messages go by on the console window saying things similar to “/dev/tty1: no such file or directory”
              That’s when I quit sysadmin duties 🙂

      • Grant C

        Bob 74 is a new Bob. The psoriasis comment gave it away.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          But no stranger!

          • Grant C

            I suspect you may be right

    • Observer

      You’d think the use of the word “indoctrination” in the name would be a huge red flag, but I guess by the time they get there their critical thinking skills and self-preservation instincts have been suppressed to the point they just shrug it off.

      Yo, Bob 74! Freeloader debt isn’t legally enforceable, and given the years of your life and the money your “church” has sucked away it’s not morally enforceable either. Walk out and join us out here in the light!

    • i-Betty

      We’re ever so nice out here, Bob. Give us a chance and you’ll see 🙂

    • grundoon

      You all are so easily trolled. You fall for “Bob 74” in a big way, under almost every one of his/her pseudonyms.

      I think you’re wrong about “Bob.”

      • BuryTheNuts2

        DAMN DAMN DAMN. I think you are totally right (per usual). Bob 74 is Peace Theta!
        GRRRRRRRRRRRRR
        We have been totally had!!!!

        Not Bob from yesterday though! That was “Bob”! ( I think)

        • richelieu jr

          Well, it did look like Bob at first glance, but if you looked closer you could see he was spelling his name backwards….
          He rode outta here on a specked palindrome, headed into the sunset of Scientology! Yeeeeehaaaaw!

          • Midwest Mom

            ^^ You are cracking me up! Give me air, please! I’m going to choke from laughing!

  • I’m pretty sure that John Travolta misinterpreted the “feel my finger” Touch Assist from day one …….

  • EnthralledObserver

    The most insidious thing about this course: “Practical – BUY a book and go sell it to someone else.”
    So even here they are forcing members to fork out for extra books that they don’t need… fucking incredible, Scientology had to MAKE SURE of the sale. I’m speechless… I am… without speech on this point.

    • villagedianne

      Yes, that book sale part is really sinister and shows what their priorities really are.

  • richelieu jr

    I am sad to have to warn you against supporting Mr Tony Ortega in his brilliant and too often overlooked work, and this wonderful site where we all meet again, forming out little virtual community and mixing our view points and experiences into this heady brew–
    I gave money. I gave until it hurt, dammit– And what happened?

    As if by coincidence after reading his column with Claire Headley on how to verbally abuse inanimate objects, my ashtray started talking back to me!

    You used me!, it cried!

    What are you talking about? I don’t even smoke!, I retorted, letting facts get int he way of a good story yet again…

    And you wonder why I feel abandoned?, It sobbed. OK, you’re anon-smoker, I can respect that. But at least if you’d been a Scientologist, you could have taught e a few tricks!, it said, rolling over, sticking out its tongue and fetching me slippers.

    Hey! Whose slippers are these?

    Just then I heard my room mate, OK? who stole my slippers?

    It looked at me pointedly.. I had had enough.

    OK, ashtray– It that IS your real name, I leaned in for emphasis, Who are you working for?
    It just sat there, mute. I saw myself reflected from a thousand distorted angles, each face redder and more agressive than the last…
    It trembled in my hand– or was my hand trembling? I took it up a tone..
    It was shaking alright.. The reflection drew a letter in the air.. was than..an.. ‘X’? Xenu! I knew it…! No, not an x.. more like a shake.. ‘O’.. a capital ‘O’ Ortega! But of course! how could I have been so blind?

    The scales fell from my eyes. I had financed a monster!

    The ashtray billed me for my time and threatened my family until I agreed to buy M Miscavige new leg warmers with Ron Weasley on them (he likes the red hair for some reason..) then, just as Scientology had tried to cure my health problems (like smoking) with smoking, the ashtray proposed I cure my non-smoking with a pack-a-day habit (for starters)… Who was I to argue?

    Antonio Ortega de la casa de Philippe Morris had won… Learn from me, children…

    signed,

    L Ron Hubbard, probably

    • Observer

      Okay, richlieu jr, now I want to hug *you*. lol!!

    • Midwest Mom

      The baby’s still keeping you up at night, aye? Wake up! You’re typing in your sleep, again. (And stop talking to ashtrays.) 😉

      • richelieu jr

        Wow! How right you are, Midwest Mom! I do need some shut eye, that’s for sure!

        • Midwest Mom

          Aww…I feel for ya, richlelleu. Sleep is always worth more than gold for parents of little ones. They sure are worth it, though! 🙂

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Please Marry Me!

    • i-Betty

      You’re hilarious!

    • noseinabk

      Thanks for the lunch break fun.
      Imagine someone looking over your shoulder when you wrote that. 😀

  • I did the HQS course, too, and it completely changed my life for the better.

    In fact, it also helped my twin on the course to achieve his childhood dream and to make it to the Olympics in 1988. I helped him do that. We used what we learned on the HQS course.

    I write about it here on my blog:

    http://alanzosblog.blogspot.com/2007/12/in-my-struggle-to-clear-planet-i.html

    True story.

    Swear to God.

    Alanzo

    • Truthiwant

      It’s a great story and very well written. Thanks.

      What happened to Charles Lakes? Did he continue in Scientology?

      • It’s a good question, what happened to Charles Lakes.

        Alanzo

        • BuryTheNuts2

          According to “smurf”….He blew. WWP, 2011 post, Thread: Prepare for massive lulz

          works here http://www.humanomics.com with his dad…I think they co-own it.

    • danlocke

      I remember that happening and all the pride that you and Charles had! I also had great wins from the HQS co-audit. Really loved the course. Got me winning in life and really loving to be alive.

    • Ms. B. Haven

      I have mostly fond memories of the HQS course. I enjoyed doing the drills and co-auditing. There were red flags though. The biggest was, as Claire said, “I didn’t want my friends to know I was a Scientologist.”

      While I liked doing the course, I was ‘hiding’ from my friends and family because I thought that the stuff I was learning and practicing was really bizarre. And it was. Looking back on my circumstances at the time it is easy to understand why I easily fell under the sway of scientology. I was by nature a loner and being part of a group felt good. I always liked the fact that I didn’t really ‘fit in’ and since scientology didn’t really ‘fit in’ with society, this was my kind of group. It sort of validated my uniqueness. I was in my early 20s and just coming out from the stifling atmosphere of a fundamentalist and repressive upbringing. The promises of spiritual freedom that scientology held out were alluring. Since I was ‘winning’ on course, I felt that I must be headed in the right direction. I had bought into the idea that scientology was the only way and other practices were not 100% workable.

      With the sobriety that hindsight affords, I can honestly say that for someone in my situation, just about any activity or practice would have made me feel good. The 100% workability scientology insists on is bullshit. Some of the processes work on some people and create a temporary good feeling. I don’t think that there is anything wrong with that. It gets harmful, dangerous and even life threatening when one enters the self imposed trap of believing that your ‘eternity’ is at stake and scientology is the only hope for mankind. I would recommend doing a ‘ropes course’ or volunteering at a soup kitchen, world travel, meditation, yoga, tai chi, martial arts, painting, drawing, sky diving, etc. if you want to feel good and also feel like you have accomplished something. Hell, if you want to do something weird and out there, do some Tony Robbins fire walking. Any of these activities will possibly boost your self esteem and leave your dignity intact and your purse a lot fuller than anything scientology has to offer.

      It’s bad enough to enter this trap as a naive, gullible, rebellious, foolish 20-something. I will take responsibility for my own idiocy. All of that was my own doing. I saw plenty of red flags and ignored them. However, when a child is brought up in such circumstances and has no real choice in the matter, that is completely unconscionable.

      • MissCandle

        Well said.

      • ThetaBara

        Agree with everything but the firewalking. Don’t do it. A bunch of folks wound up in the er for that, not long ago!

  • LongNeckGoose

    When I took the TRs and Objectives course, I too gave commands to an ashtray, and I remember (somebody correct me if I’m wrong) that the first time the pc commands the ashtray to rise into the air, the coach is to say “You didn’t really expect that ashtray to move, did you?” I’ve thought about that many times. I wonder why Hubbard included that remark. Was it just an in-joke like in “The Master” as if to say “you and I know we’re not taking this too seriously, nod, nod, wink, wink, say no more”? On the other hand, as several people have pointed out on ESMB, Hubbard used a double cross as his symbol and told people right up front that he was trying to sell them a Bridge. Was this another example of him weeding out the ones with common sense, and as far as the others are concerned, “I told you what I was.”

  • aquaclara

    A little off topic, but maybe not. See what you think. My son, a college freshman, texted me a little while ago, upset about the conspiracy stories he is seeing about the Boston bombings, “just like with the Sandy school shootings.” Well, I haven’t heard any of these, so he gave me a sampling. I explained that people can and will always make things up, and often, these are the people that shout the loudest, as they try to win people over to their ideas, however wacky. Loud often trumps logic.

    I said that people will believe anything they want even when it makes absolutely no sense. Like I had showed him with Scientologists in Clearwater, and Nancy Many’s story on TV. He got this immediately.
    Still texting, I explained that it can be very hard to move people off fixed ideas. Why, he asked? They aren’t thinking for themselves, aren’t reading or digging in a little more, and might have forgotten to face up to what’s real.

    Then I sent him to http://www.elvis-is-alive.com. (I do hope he knows Elvis is dead).

    I went on to explain that twitter lets people make stuff up. It has no filter – the posters aren’t journalists, and there are no editors. I showed him real journalism with a story about the bombings covered by the press, and why the sources of the story matter.
    We might have made some progress today. Feel free to add what I missed. This texting stuff does mean our conversations can go on for a while. i was so proud my Scientology is a cult message had sunk in.

    • Midwest Mom

      You’re right. The Urban Legends that used to consist of tales about women with rats nests in their bouffant hairdos are a thing of the past. The new Urban Legends spread through social media in an instant, and are taken as fact all too often.

      My son, who is the same age has repeated some doosies to me, too. Just last night, someone was posting incorrect death toll numbers for the Boston Marathon explosion. It’s scary, isn’t it, how any yahoo can post something and claim it as fact? We have to hope our kids use their critical thinking skills to evaluate everything and to consider the source. “Someone’s brother knows the guy who is in charge of the investigation…” just doesn’t cut it as far as credibility

      I’m glad you were successful in explaining it to your son! Good job and high five!.

      • aquaclara

        Thanks. Your son is seeing the same thing, it seems. how hard is it to try to see it from their perspective. He follows sports obsessively. Scores, stats and trades are usually fact-based. It horrifies me that he gets his real news from their friends who posted something they overheard somewhere. I tossed in a little journalism lesson in there today. AP, Boston Globe, WSJ. NYT.
        He understands my obsession with undoing the cult, the Bunker, etc. fortunately, so there was something to build on. How is your son?

        • Midwest Mom

          He’s still going through physical rehab for his back injury and still recovering from his TBI, so it’s been tough for him, since he has always been a jock and it’s always been a large part of his social life, too.. He was hoping to to take a few classes in the summer since he wasn’t able to go back to school for his second semester, but it looks more like fall will be a more realistic target date, because of his back, as well as memory problems, etc. and he needs more occupational therapy.

          He misses living in the dorm and being in ROTC, so he communicates a lot with his friends by texts and on-line. He can’t be in ROTC when he returns because of his brain and back injuries; so he won’t be able to have a military career as an officer. He’s trying to figure out a new route for a college major and future career. He is lucky that a large scholarship that he was awarded wasn’t affected by his medically forced hiatus.

          Thank you so much for asking! It’s been a long road for him since his accident in late November and we try to focus on his progress, no matter how small, one day at a time. 🙂

          • aquaclara

            What a tough adjustment all around for him, as well as for you. Good luck to you both!

            • Midwest Mom

              Thank you, a.c.! 🙂

            • aquaclara

              🙂

          • ThetaBara

            How awful. Glad he has your support.

            • Midwest Mom

              Thanks, T.B.! 😉

          • noseinabk

            Good luck to him! Awesome that the scholarship is not is affected.

            • Midwest Mom

              Thanks noseinabk! 🙂

      • grundoon

        “Just last night, someone was posting incorrect death toll numbers for the Boston Marathon explosion. It’s scary, isn’t it, how any yahoo can post something and claim it as fact?”

        Not just any yahoo. The false information was published by the New York Post! “Three other undetonated devices were later discovered by authorities. A federal law enforcement source told The Post there are at least 12 dead and at least 132 people have been treated at seven area hospitals.”

        • Midwest Mom

          grundoon! Now it’s all one big conspiracy theory-filled media free-for-all! Aaarrrggg!!!

    • Casabeca

      What a great gift to your son!

    • ThetaBara

      Way to parent! He’s a lucky guy.

      • aquaclara

        Thanks. It is hard sometimes. He was too young to remember much of 9.11. I made him watch the Nancy Many special while we were in Florida, and then drove around to show him the SP building and the ft harrison parking deck. And the beach-since life isn’t all nightmares. The Bunker will have a next gen soon!

    • noseinabk

      I had a very similar conversation with my son today. Our 19 to 20 something kids get the news from Facebook and don’t bother to look elsewhere.

      My son is curious enough that he has listened to my COS following ( and cracking up while reading the blog comments) that he gets the jokes. What bothers me is how shocked my older kids are when they hear this COS BS from me and not mainstream media. Given how invasive Cos is, with so many front groups, it makes me paranoid every time I see something just a little off. I now read over all the lit at the spa, dentist, Dr, just to make sure I am not supporting COS. I smugly thought that I was immune to the sci bots, being in the far north of MD. Then, someone posted on Rinders blog ,looking for auditing support and this guy was a teacher in my local district for 30 yrs. My kids are inoculated from all cult mentality at this time. But you know we need to remain diligent since you never know what latest, greatest, BS is coming.

  • danlocke

    I just want to say that I enjoyed the HQS course that I did immensely. Pretty much the same course as what Claire said. I think that the actual cost of the course got to be as high as $400, not 1,000, but I could have that wrong. I did it such a long time ago that it was only a hundred at the time.

    I am pretty sure that it’s Claire’s definition that the CCHs assist in a person getting over their aversions to being controlled, and that definition is not the Church’s.

    I really liked the CCHs and Op Pro y Dup. I was a stutterer before I co-audited them and so would very rarely talk. Somewhere in my co-auditing that just seemed to evaporate and it seemed to me that it was all of a sudden I was talking and making friends again. And very happy.

    I am not happy that Narconon has applied these materials so stupidly or that they tried to hide their connections to Scientology. I certainly not happy that negligence resulted in or contributed to these deaths.

    I just want to stand up and be counted as a person who feels that he has benefited from these materials. Perhaps it is true that their success rate is not so high. But there have been successes. I am one of them and I know many others.

    • Grant C

      Some people with arthritis benefit from exposure to radon gas.

    • Midwest Mom

      Unfortunately, Hubbard used many mechanisms to quell a person’s instinctive reactions, outside influences, and aversions to being controlled. This is done in a very methodical fashion and with the specific purpose of ingraining a new purpose of self (to please “Source”), a new way of speaking (exclusive to Scientology), and absolute complicity in everything that “Source” said, wrote, or directed as the only way to become “Clear” and the only way to save the planet and find happiness.

      It’s similar to how communist countries indoctrinate and control people.

  • Ze Moo
  • sugarplumfairy

    Howdy’s back!!!! Yay!!!!

    • stillgrace

      … with all his MAN-ness!

      • FistOfXenu

        I love it how you answered SPF 53 minutes BEFORE she posted, stillgrace. Check out this pic, it proves you’re a Time Lord. Guess I’m finished here. Disqus is on the warpath again. See you all tomorrow.

      • Captain Howdy

        OOH-RAH!

  • Observer

    ..

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Then never EVER google……Oh, I can’t do it to ya!

      • Observer

        I’m no masochist–if someone says not to google something I take them at their word. If I’m really curious I look it up on urbandictionary.com (no pics there). It has saved me much horror. Plus, I totally enjoy being a party pooper.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          I will still be nice, because somebody will look and its UGLY!

  • Sandy
    • Grant C

      “…we are shipping over thousands of Way to Happiness booklets which can be passed out to the citizens of Boston from the VM Unit at the local Org. We are asking for immediate donations to help with this!”

      Fucking Vultures.

      • Observer

        “Over thousands”?

        • Grant C

          Millions? Billions perhaps?

          • Observer

            Wouldn’t matter, since they seem to be constitutionally incapable of telling the truth about anything (unless they’re hooked up to Elron’s jim dandy e-whizzer).

      • Sherbet

        I’m shaking my head in disbelief. Let them hand out their Way to Happiness garbage to the parents of the little boy who was killed and whose sister lost a leg. Or the still-unidentified BU graduate student’s family. Or the family of the waitress who was waiting for her friend at the finish line. Her mother was initially told the girl was OK, and her friend was dead. When they visited the girl in the hospital, they found the girl in the bed was the friend, and it was their dear daughter who had died. The Way to Happiness, huh? There will be no happiness for a long time for hundreds of people who were directly impacted, and for thousands who have been affected. Did they pull in this evil? After 60 years and billions of dollars, is the planet cleared of bad influences and misery? Are you getting what you paid for with your money and sweat, scientologists? Is the world healed, the people complete and joyful and “clear”?

        I’m sorry to hijack this post. Tragedies come in many shapes and forms, and we all cope and we all survive and time is a healer of sorts. I am grateful that I knew nobody in the race or at the finish line. I have a easier time dealing with the reality of life and the world — that horrible things do happen — than I do accepting the insulting offer of the Way to Happiness to people who are horrified, mourning, have had their faith shaken, witnessed the bloody street scene, or will walk on prosthetic limbs forever.

        I have no answers. Christians, Buddhists, Wiccans…none of us has an answer. But only scientology has the gall to look for contributions so it can carpet the City of Boston with anemic platitudes and feel-good promises.

        • Captain Howdy

          Hear Hear Sherbert!

          Vulture ministers in the South End? Hmm.

          • Sherbet

            I’m a peaceful person, Howdy, but I hope any VMs get kicked in their butts while being chased out of town.

          • Sherbet

            I’m a peaceful person, Howdy, but I hope any VMs who show up are kicked in their butts while being chased out of town.

            • Captain Howdy

              It could very well happen.

            • Sherbet

              If it does, I hope we find out about it so we can all get a well-deserved laugh in the Bunker. Video would be nice, too. Run, yellow shirts, run!

            • Davka

              And given that it’s the South End, I’d vote for a contingent of BGMC members wrapped in a rainbow flag leading the chase, along with Barbara Lynch holding a cleaver, and the residents of Methuinion Manor joining in, just to make sure there was diverse representation. Grr. Stupid nutty delusional crackpots f-ed with my city, and I am not happy about it. Don’t need a bunch of scilons making it worse.

        • Midwest Mom

          It needed to be said, Sherb.

          In times of tragedy, who the heck seeks a way to happiness via a pamphlet and strangers? If people are seeking comfort from a faith or belief system, they will seek one which they are already familiar.. They don’t need to be targeted and hunted down by a cult that is desperate for fresh meat and insurance money.

          • Sherbet

            I just want to shake die-hard scns and tech believers and ask, Where are the gains cos has achieved for the world in all its years of hyperbole and advertised successes? It’s fake. It doesn’t work. cos has not propelled the planet on a course of peace, despite the billions of dollars sucked from its parishioners.

            • Grant C

              And the financial rape SCN has perpetrated on families and children, snuffing out futures like so many candles, in no way justifies the “placebo” effect that a random minority bleat about

        • nevarmore

          Post of the month… WINNER AWARD…

          • Sherbet

            Thank you, everybody.

        • aquaclara

          Thanks, Sherbet and glad you’re ok. We were worried about you yesterday. This is straight from the heart and well said. In the face of so many heroes, families, first responders and victims, it is particularly galling to see the cult pull this opportunist bull sh**t. Your post is apt and well-stated. As we said last week, f**ck the cult.

        • MadMaxi

          Long time lurker in The Bunker, usually keep my mouth shut and enjoy the info and wonderful comments here. Been watching the cult since the 80s when researching different religions and never stopped reading and keeping up on the actions of this cult.

          Sherbet’s comments hit home on this the 6th anniversary of the VA Tech shootings that left 32 people dead. The tragedy of that day shocked and hurt many, especially young, vulnerable kids on campus far away from home. I knew a couple that were killed others greatly affected, like others I was in shock and hurting. So people were doing what they could to help the campus, community, and all with what was needed for solace, healing, or whatever.

          The TV news did a story a few days after the shootings showing that the Co$ VM were set up on campus with their yellow, blasphemous cross tshirts. Needless to say the anger from the public seeing these “volunteers” did not set well in this area of SW VA. Well, got my anger up as to WTF were they doing there other then to try to get some folks into the cult(like I said longtime cult watcher). The churches and non-believers, oldsters and freaks, diverse groups all banded together to keep the students away from and informed about the cult that was on campus. All done with southern mountain-folk genteel charm of course. 🙂 Only other thing I saw that united so many to raise up to action was when the Phelps were going to protest a funeral years prior.

          With even more information out on the internet and media now I can just imagine the reaction from the Boston public at the “Way to Happiness” crap being handed out. Can’t wait to see my Boston friend on Thursday to get her reaction, should be colorful in the language usage.

          Wonderful post Sherbet

          • Midwest Mom

            M.M., Thanks for joining us in the comment section! I look forward to seeing you post again here! 🙂

        • i think i love you right now

      • N. Graham

        Tragedy=$cientology fund-raising opportunity

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    I’ve asked people to “pull my finger before”….and it made ME feel better. Not sure the other person liked it though!

    • Captain Howdy

      Like this?

      • Observer

        Ewww!

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        He who smelt it, dealt it!

      • Sandy

        Off topic. Glad you are ok, Howdy. So glad to see your posts. Whew! ok. Back to the usual topics ……

        • Captain Howdy

          Thank you Sandy.

      • Grant C

        Why does every picture of LRH require that he be punched in the face?

  • wannabeclear

    The most ingenious and devious part of that check sheet is that you first have to buy a copy of Dianetics and then sell it, allowing $cientology to double dip on the profit from one book…even one bought by a 12 year old.

  • My Name Is Rawl

    The checksheet that you’re using is very old. The current version of the HQS does not have clay demos, as it’s done in the Basic/Life Improvement Courseroom where they don’t have clay tables. Clay tables today are only found in Academy courserooms and you don’t do HQS in the Academy.

    Also, I have to check the coursepack, but I don’t believe the current version of the HQS has the requirement to sell Dianetics because that always caused new public to drop the course or blow back in the 90s. Today they generally sell HQS as part of a triple intro pack: Purif, TRs & Objectives, and HQS, and all three with the IAS discount (free 6 month membership for new members and annual – I believe lifetime members get an additional discount) comes out to $2200. Without the HQS, it’s $1800.

    I’ve never seen any new public in recent years taking the HQS and the only people I’ve ever seen in Basic Courses taking it are Scientologist kids. Even with the watered down changes, it’s still too heavy a course for the average new person.

  • L. Wrong Hubturd

    JTs fav item for a touch assist.

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      And for just another $9.95 you can get an addition, a sound card that plays such affirming statements as:

      — Masturbation is no sin or crime and does not injure me.
      — No sexual practice will ever dull me.
      — Things sexual thrill me.
      — I am now returned to the same feelings I had at 16 about sex where excitement is concerned.
      — Naked women and pornography excite me greatly.
      — I need not subscribe to any moral code of sex anywhere.
      — I have no terrors of sex or sexual conduct.
      — Testosterone blends easily with your own hormones.
      — Your glands already make plenty of needed testosterone and by adding to that store you
      make yourself very thrilling and sexy.
      — Testosterone increases your sexual interest and activity. It makes erections easier and harder and
      makes your own joy more intense.
      — I have only friendship for Jack Parsons.

      • L. Wrong Hubturd

        I don’t know what’s creepier, my picture of those “affirmations”.

  • Anybody see Tommy Girl on Jon Stewart tonight?

    • i-Betty

      Media Hint has been working really well for me since I installed it several months ago. American Netflix is rather better than our own 🙂

  • Douglas D. Douglas

    Getting someone to the registrar? Maybe that’s what was going on that weekend a couple of years ago on Hollywood Boulevard…

    One weekend I actually made it up to Hollywood and Highland two days in a row. Odd for me, as I tend to avoid that part of LA. While waiting for the light to change, two pleasant looking folks with clipboards walked up and said, “Would you like to take a free personality test?” I suspected they were Scientologists, so I good-naturedly pointed to their big building up the street and said, “No thanks– you’re from up there, aren’t you?”

    “No, no,” they said. “We just want to ask you a few questions right here, if you don’t mind.” So I went along to be polite, until it was obvious (by the second question) who they were. And I noticed something on the clipboards. “The clipboards have labels on the back that say ‘Bridge Publications,'” I said. “Isn’t that part of the Church of Scientology?”

    They looked at each other and sort of stammered, “Uh, yeah, that’s what that means.”

    This made me angry. So I told them, “Look, if what you are selling is so great, why did you have to lie to me, and try to trick me? Just leave me alone.” And, at that, I headed away.

    The next day, I was meeting friends on the same corner. As my friends approached, who should walk up but the same two pleasant looking folks with the clipboards. And, to my amazement, they gave me a pair of bright, hard-eyed smiles and said, “Would you like to take a free personality test?” I replied, “Is this a joke?” “No, no,” they said, “It’s free.”

    “Look,” I said, “You stood right here on this corner not twenty four hours ago and lied to me about who you were and what you were doing. I told you then I wasn’t interested, and I am not interested now. If what you are peddling is supposed to give you such amazing mental clarity and abilities, how is it you can’t even remember what you were doing or who you were talking to yesterday? Again, LEAVE ME ALONE.”

    The nice people with the clipboard were the ones to turn tail and head away this time. Sadly, I now suspect they were probably just a couple of folks trying to fulfill part of their brainwashing, er, counseling…

    • Observer

      DDD, I am so pleased you found your way to the Bunker. I love your posts.

      • Douglas D. Douglas

        Well thank you. I now understand that newcomers may be held at arm’s length for a while here. For good reason. I have had an interest in American-made religions for years, and only recently have been “catching up” on Scientology. I’ve been reading my copy of “Barefaced Messiah” again. It is fascinating to see many familiar names that have turned up in reports here, and in the discussions that follow.

        • Observer

          Yeah, we get impostors, so people tend to be a bit wary of newcomers.

  • Richross

    Hi there. I’ve been reading this blog regularly for about a year now, my fascination with the cult growing exponentially with each new post, and I’m finally compelled to write in. I want to thank Claire for this highly informative series of interviews. Prior to the series I understood the fundamentals of the cult’s tenants and precepts, but these interviews fill in all of the little gaps, they fill in the impossibly insider details, and it’s a real treat for an outsider like me.

    I also want to say that I have had no direct or even indirect association with Scientology other than having once lived around the corner from the Celebrity Center. It’s merely a topic I became fascinated with, and it has been truly amazing discovering the existence of you former members; brave men and women who have had the guts, grit, and courage to not only defect, but speak out about the cult’s ills and mistreatments. I admire you all.

    Richross

    • grundoon

      Welcome!

    • Douglas D. Douglas

      Second that!

  • Rick Mooney

    As a pro TR’s grad. It felt weird most times I drilled someone on TR-8. Thanks for the memory !!!

  • GrandEclectus

    I flunked already. This is so nonsensical. Yelling at ashtrays. I’d be done after that, if I ever got that far.

  • Valhalkrie

    How do they have price lists and then get away with tax exemption ? A price list proves they are selling something. When is the government going to take this shit down? Unless it’s a social experinment they get stats on like Google and facebook